From john at winhaven.net Fri Dec 2 10:18:43 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:18:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Security "OneCare" Beta Message-ID: <015201c5f75c$110c5540$7c01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> For those interested, here's a link to MS's beta security product: http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=b78afccd-47f0-460e-b09b-33c 2d53ac53b From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Dec 2 17:21:46 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:21:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Kerio Firewall lives Message-ID: <439163AA.26509.54AD15F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/02/sunbelt_kerio_purchase/ Sunbelt Software announced plans on Thursday to acquire Kerio's personal firewall business.... Sunbelt has pledged to continue Kerio's tradition of providing a basic free version of the personal firewall to home users... Kerio previously announced plans to discontinue its personal firewall at the end of December.... -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Fri Dec 2 20:46:50 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:46:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word tables In-Reply-To: <439163AA.26509.54AD15F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <200512030246.jB32klJ03914@databaseadvisors.com> I have a Word template with a bunch of bookmarks in it that I fill from Access code. But I also need to populate a table there. How do I refer to specific rows and columns within the table... TIA, Arthur From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Dec 6 04:50:38 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:50:38 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Test Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84488@ALCUXB> Sorry about this, but our internet is down and I want to see if our external email has gone with it :-) Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Dec 6 06:24:07 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:24:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Test In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30CF0BBC@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABF3EB@ADGSERVER> You passed! Wooo Hooo! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:51 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Test Sorry about this, but our internet is down and I want to see if our external email has gone with it :-) Jon From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Dec 6 06:29:56 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:29:56 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Test Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84494@ALCUXB> Weird... I haven't seen my message yet :-) Thanks though :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 06 December 2005 12:24 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Test You passed! Wooo Hooo! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:51 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Test Sorry about this, but our internet is down and I want to see if our external email has gone with it :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Dec 8 03:45:38 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:45:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement Message-ID: Hi all I'm calm and patient and really a nice guy, but Windows XP Explorer "find" function can drive me to the edge of insanity while this stupid puppy looks at me having great pleasure of watching me falling apart. Most times I find myself seeking relief by opening a DOS box and type "dir something /s". Much faster too. I can't be the only one. Can anyone recommend a GUI replacement for Explorer Find that can be handled by normal people? /gustav From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Dec 8 04:34:56 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:34:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <439898F0.23041.7DC761F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Dec 2005 at 10:45, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > I'm calm and patient and really a nice guy, but Windows XP Explorer "find" > function can drive me to the edge of insanity while this stupid puppy looks > at me having great pleasure of watching me falling apart. Most times I find > myself seeking relief by opening a DOS box and type "dir something /s". Much > faster too. > > I can't be the only one. Can anyone recommend a GUI replacement for Explorer > Find that can be handled by normal people? > Agent Ransack - http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack Agent Ransack is a tool for finding files and information on your hard drive fast and efficiently. Agent Ransack provides compelling advantages over similar search tools: - Regular expressions that allow complex rule based searches. - Immediate contents results view. - Various wizards to walk the user through the searching process. Agent Ransack can be used as a replacement or a companion to the standard Windows Find. Agent Ransack provides both a basic interface, similar to Windows Find, and a more advanced interface (the default) for the 'Expert user'. Both interfaces provide Wizards to walk the user through the searching process. Users familiar with the UNIX GREP command will appreciate the ability to search the contents of files using regular expressions and be able to view found contents without having to open the files. -- Stuart From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Dec 8 05:52:35 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:52:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement Message-ID: Thanks Stuart - and you can have several panes too. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 08-12-2005 11:34:56 >>> On 8 Dec 2005 at 10:45, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > I'm calm and patient and really a nice guy, but Windows XP Explorer "find" > function can drive me to the edge of insanity while this stupid puppy looks > at me having great pleasure of watching me falling apart. Most times I find > myself seeking relief by opening a DOS box and type "dir something /s". Much > faster too. > > I can't be the only one. Can anyone recommend a GUI replacement for Explorer > Find that can be handled by normal people? > Agent Ransack - http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack Agent Ransack is a tool for finding files and information on your hard drive fast and efficiently. Agent Ransack provides compelling advantages over similar search tools: - Regular expressions that allow complex rule based searches. - Immediate contents results view. - Various wizards to walk the user through the searching process. Agent Ransack can be used as a replacement or a companion to the standard Windows Find. Agent Ransack provides both a basic interface, similar to Windows Find, and a more advanced interface (the default) for the 'Expert user'. Both interfaces provide Wizards to walk the user through the searching process. Users familiar with the UNIX GREP command will appreciate the ability to search the contents of files using regular expressions and be able to view found contents without having to open the files. -- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Thu Dec 8 10:41:08 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:41:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007b01c5fc16$310f6620$6601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> It is pretty awful isn't it?! And they don't even let you replace the puppy with a paperclip! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:46 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement Hi all I'm calm and patient and really a nice guy, but Windows XP Explorer "find" function can drive me to the edge of insanity while this stupid puppy looks at me having great pleasure of watching me falling apart. Most times I find myself seeking relief by opening a DOS box and type "dir something /s". Much faster too. I can't be the only one. Can anyone recommend a GUI replacement for Explorer Find that can be handled by normal people? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 10:58:56 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:58:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? Message-ID: Has anyone played with virtual PC?, I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. any advise or warnings? -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Dec 8 12:20:17 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:20:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement References: Message-ID: <43987961.4030804@shaw.ca> I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a full 20 gig drive. Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless additional plugins used You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string filetype:doc to look at only word documents. A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the IE cache. I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. Gustav Brock wrote: >Hi all > >I'm calm and patient and really a nice guy, but Windows XP Explorer "find" function can drive me to the edge of insanity while this stupid puppy looks at me having great pleasure of watching me falling apart. Most times I find myself seeking relief by opening a DOS box and type "dir something /s". Much faster too. > >I can't be the only one. Can anyone recommend a GUI replacement for Explorer Find that can be handled by normal people? > >/gustav > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Thu Dec 8 12:23:37 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:23:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512081824.jB8IOLJ23388@databaseadvisors.com> I am using it a little bit, just started playing with it really. I have created a virtual disk on my laptop. It went smoothly though it does taking a bit of reading around to figure out what they are trying to accomplish. But it works great once set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:59 AM To: The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? Has anyone played with virtual PC?, I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. any advise or warnings? -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darsant at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 13:31:34 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:31:34 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement In-Reply-To: <43987961.4030804@shaw.ca> References: <43987961.4030804@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0512081131x7f824a3fuf8bde1e7a14252c9@mail.gmail.com> On 12/8/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a > full 20 gig drive. > Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. > It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless > additional plugins used > You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string > filetype:doc to look at only word documents. > A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the > IE cache. > > I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. I personally love it when I need to search text based documents. I have google search on my development machine, and it's pretty accurate when I need to dig up a 3rd-party header file or such that I remember downloading at one time, but forgot where I put it. Granted, it does have a long initial indexing time, but after that it's well worth it (and Office does indexing in the background like it does anyways, so I just disable that and no performance decrease.) -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From john at winhaven.net Fri Dec 9 11:31:35 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:31:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2003 group by Message-ID: <001301c5fce6$67b4b1a0$6901a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Although I detest that the default for this feature was on by default and I had to turn it off manually in all of my folders... I am trying it to see if it can be of some benefit. I have run into a common problem I have had with sorting email in the past and am hoping someone has a solution for it. When the original post is replied to it gets the RE: in front of the subject from most people and sometimes an FW: Is there a way to strip these or have the sorting function just ignore RE: and FW:? TIA John B. From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 12:38:29 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:38:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement Message-ID: Hi Marty I had only filename-search in mind but maybe I should give this a thought. Problem is that 99% of my material is stored on corporate servers ... /gustav >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 08-12-2005 19:20:17 >>> I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a full 20 gig drive. Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless additional plugins used You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string filetype:doc to look at only word documents. A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the IE cache. I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Dec 9 22:20:50 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:20:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2003 group by In-Reply-To: <001301c5fce6$67b4b1a0$6901a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <439AE442.23070.126B35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 9 Dec 2005 at 11:31, John Bartow wrote: > Although I detest that the default for this feature was on by default and I > had to turn it off manually in all of my folders... > > I am trying it to see if it can be of some benefit. I have run into a common > problem I have had with sorting email in the past and am hoping someone has > a solution for it. > > When the original post is replied to it gets the RE: in front of the subject > from most people and sometimes an FW: > > Is there a way to strip these or have the sorting function just ignore RE: > and FW:? > You could switch to Pegasus Mail. Then you can create your own list of prefixes to ignore when sorting messages :-) ; ; PREFIX.PM - user-defined subject prefix "ignore" list ; Use this file to create your own list of strings that ; Pegasus Mail should ignore at the start of the subject ; line when sorting by thread or sorting by subject. ; -- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Fri Dec 9 23:38:00 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:38:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2003 group by In-Reply-To: <439AE442.23070.126B35@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00b801c5fd4b$e322a440$6a01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Thanks Stuart, Rub it in a little more hey! :o) I actually begrudgingly started using Outlook because that's what my client base uses. I have no great love for it and would like to switch rather than trying to teach that dog new tricks all the time! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:21 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2003 group by On 9 Dec 2005 at 11:31, John Bartow wrote: > Although I detest that the default for this feature was on by default > and I had to turn it off manually in all of my folders... > > I am trying it to see if it can be of some benefit. I have run into a > common problem I have had with sorting email in the past and am hoping > someone has a solution for it. > > When the original post is replied to it gets the RE: in front of the > subject from most people and sometimes an FW: > > Is there a way to strip these or have the sorting function just ignore RE: > and FW:? > You could switch to Pegasus Mail. Then you can create your own list of prefixes to ignore when sorting messages :-) ; ; PREFIX.PM - user-defined subject prefix "ignore" list ; Use this file to create your own list of strings that ; Pegasus Mail should ignore at the start of the subject ; line when sorting by thread or sorting by subject. ; -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Dec 12 15:14:30 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:14:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DBA Shareholders Message-ID: <003e01c5ff61$0c684dc0$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> If you have not been notified of this yet, the DBA Annual Shareholders Meeting is starting now. If you have not receieved an email from the dba-owners list please contact me immediately and I will get your email working for you. John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Mon Dec 12 21:09:11 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:09:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0512081131x7f824a3fuf8bde1e7a14252c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200512130309.jBD397J15880@databaseadvisors.com> I just wish it would search Access files! I want to know which of 200 MDB files contains the table XYZ, and apparently I have no choice but to open each one. This ought not be difficult but apparently it is. Why, I do not know. Maybe there is a solution to this problem, ideally generic enough to also inspect MS-SQL MDF files too. And the MySQL databases too. I would like to target all the databases of a certain type and locate a column XYZ within them. That would be nice. I create a lot of documents to be sure, but that is not where the really important stuff lives. Yeah, I am a database geek, but so what, does that mean I am chopped liver? Incidentally, I almost never use PowerPoint but do the search things find text therein? And what about Excel files? And for that matter, what about text strings in executables? A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane Sent: December 8, 2005 2:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement On 12/8/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a > full 20 gig drive. > Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. > It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless > additional plugins used > You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string > filetype:doc to look at only word documents. > A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the > IE cache. > > I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. I personally love it when I need to search text based documents. I have google search on my development machine, and it's pretty accurate when I need to dig up a 3rd-party header file or such that I remember downloading at one time, but forgot where I put it. From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Dec 12 22:44:26 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:44:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement References: <200512130309.jBD397J15880@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <066e01c5ff9f$e586b220$6801a8c0@HAL9004> Arthur: Couldn't you use the FileSearch object to get all the mdb files in an array, open them one by one and cycle through the table collection looking for the table name, or a field in the table? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement >I just wish it would search Access files! I want to know which of 200 MDB > files contains the table XYZ, and apparently I have no choice but to open > each one. This ought not be difficult but apparently it is. Why, I do not > know. Maybe there is a solution to this problem, ideally generic enough to > also inspect MS-SQL MDF files too. And the MySQL databases too. I would > like > to target all the databases of a certain type and locate a column XYZ > within > them. That would be nice. > I create a lot of documents to be sure, but that is not where the really > important stuff lives. Yeah, I am a database geek, but so what, does that > mean I am chopped liver? > Incidentally, I almost never use PowerPoint but do the search things find > text therein? And what about Excel files? And for that matter, what about > text strings in executables? > A. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane > Sent: December 8, 2005 2:32 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement > > On 12/8/05, MartyConnelly wrote: >> I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a >> full 20 gig drive. >> Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. >> It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless >> additional plugins used >> You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string >> filetype:doc to look at only word documents. >> A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the >> IE cache. >> >> I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. > > I personally love it when I need to search text based documents. > > I have google search on my development machine, and it's pretty > accurate when I need to dig up a 3rd-party header file or such that I > remember downloading at one time, but forgot where I put it. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From artful at rogers.com Tue Dec 13 15:41:17 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:41:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement In-Reply-To: <066e01c5ff9f$e586b220$6801a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <200512132141.jBDLfGJ01299@databaseadvisors.com> Yeah and I will get back to you in a couple of weeks once I find the table or column of interest. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: December 12, 2005 11:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement Arthur: Couldn't you use the FileSearch object to get all the mdb files in an array, open them one by one and cycle through the table collection looking for the table name, or a field in the table? Rocky From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:49:51 2005 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:51 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Francisco, I have been using it for at least a year now, and I find it great. For me, it has installed first time, every time and and I have always immediately installed the sp1 right away. After that, I mount an ISO image and reboot the virtual machine and it just installs the new machine, I have created Win XP, Win2K with no problems at all. Once I get a machine set up, I then save it as a read only machine and then copy that folder and make new machines that I can play with and then trash. I have successfully .Net 2003 and 2005 and SQL 2000 and SQL 2005. All with no errors even. Finally, I always Remote Desktop into it rather than attempting to use is as a Window. The Remote Desktop connection makes the virtual machine seem like it is a real machine, sometimes I have to check the IP address to remind myself. Thanks another thing, I always explicitly set the IP address of the V PC and change the machine name to reflect the IP address, so it is easy to identify which machines you are in. The V machines can be a bit slow, but I do not mind that, once they are up and running they are fine. It is better to have 1 GB or more in the base machine, so you can allocate 512 to the V machine and the same to your host machine. On my desktop, I have 2 gb and it does not seem to be much better than the home machine I have with only 1 gb. Oh, and you might find that you need plenty of storage also, for when you have a few machines running :) I have not played with Virtual Server yet, but have been meaning to. Best of luck with it, it is surely the most convenient way to play with software, as I write this I am in the process of installing Commerce Server on a V machine. Hello to any old friends on the list. Mark On 12/8/05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > Has anyone played with virtual PC?, > > I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial > software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 > enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the > vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's > > from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct > platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o > affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. > > any advise or warnings? > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! > http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Dec 13 18:05:31 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:05:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement References: <200512130309.jBD397J15880@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <439F61CB.4080902@shaw.ca> There is a Google Desktop Plugin called AccessCrawler http://desktop.google.ca/plugins/i/accesscrawler.html Lots of other plugins here too. Access Crawler Blog http://blog.unixpoet.com/index.php?cat=16 Or roll your own Sub testfind() FindSub "C:\Access files\", "*mdb" End Sub ' For this a recursive call of the routine FindSub() is used. Sub FindSub(strStart As String, strFindWhat As String) Dim arrFindDir() As String Dim strFind As String Dim i As Integer ChDrive (Left(strStart, 3)) ChDir (strStart) Call DirSub(strFindWhat, strStart) strFind = Dir("*.*", vbDirectory) i = 0 Do Until strFind = "" ReDim Preserve arrFindDir(i) arrFindDir(i) = strFind i = i + 1 strFind = Dir() Loop For i = 0 To UBound(arrFindDir) ' If... ermittelt ob es sich um ein Verzeichnis handelt ' und verzweigt dann rekursiv in dieses Verzeichnis If Dir(arrFindDir(i), vbNormal) = "" And Left(arrFindDir(i), 1) <> "." Then ' Rekursiver Aufruf von FindSub Call FindSub(strStart & arrFindDir(i) & "\", strFindWhat) ChDir (strStart) End If Next End Sub Sub DirSub(strFindWhat, strStart) Dim strFindfile As String strFindfile = Dir(strFindWhat, vbNormal) Do While strFindfile <> "" 'determine Access Version Number of mdb VersionTest strStart & strFindfile 'determine TableNames TableFind strStart & strFindfile strFindfile = Dir() Loop End Sub Sub VersionTest(strpath As String) 'VersionTest "C:\Access files\Images\Picture2002.mdb" On Error GoTo ErrHandler Dim db As Database Dim i As Long Set db = DBEngine.OpenDatabase(strpath) 'In Version test routine should be this line to open mdb ' as shared and readonly Set db = DBEngine.OpenDatabase(strpath, False, True) Debug.Print strpath & " - " & db.Version & " - " & db.Properties("AccessVersion") 'For i = 0 To 8 ' Debug.Print db.Properties(i).Name & "-" & db.Properties(i).Value 'Next Exit Sub ErrHandler: ' most likely 3051 read only databases MsgBox Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description & vbCrLf & strpath End Sub Sub TableFind(strpath As String) 'VersionTest "C:\Access files\Images\Picture2002.mdb" On Error GoTo ErrHandler Dim db As Database Dim tdfCurrent As DAO.TableDef Dim i As Long Set db = DBEngine.OpenDatabase(strpath) 'In Version test routine should be this line to open mdb ' as shared and readonly Set db = DBEngine.OpenDatabase(strpath, False, True) For Each tdfCurrent In db.TableDefs Debug.Print tdfCurrent.Name Next Exit Sub ErrHandler: ' most likely 3051 read only databases MsgBox Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description & vbCrLf & strpath End Sub Arthur Fuller wrote: >I just wish it would search Access files! I want to know which of 200 MDB >files contains the table XYZ, and apparently I have no choice but to open >each one. This ought not be difficult but apparently it is. Why, I do not >know. Maybe there is a solution to this problem, ideally generic enough to >also inspect MS-SQL MDF files too. And the MySQL databases too. I would like >to target all the databases of a certain type and locate a column XYZ within >them. That would be nice. >I create a lot of documents to be sure, but that is not where the really >important stuff lives. Yeah, I am a database geek, but so what, does that >mean I am chopped liver? >Incidentally, I almost never use PowerPoint but do the search things find >text therein? And what about Excel files? And for that matter, what about >text strings in executables? >A. >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane >Sent: December 8, 2005 2:32 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Explorer Find replacement > >On 12/8/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > > >>I use Google's Desktop Search Engine. It takes about 12 hours to index a >>full 20 gig drive. >>Once done, searches are generally less than 5 seconds. >>It only indexes to a depth of 5000 characters in a file unless >>additional plugins used >>You can search in only specific files by adding to the search string >>filetype:doc to look at only word documents. >>A plus is it also searchs your IE favourite URL's and whatever is in the >>IE cache. >> >>I have used the find function only a couple of times in past year. >> >> > >I personally love it when I need to search text based documents. > >I have google search on my development machine, and it's pretty >accurate when I need to dig up a 3rd-party header file or such that I >remember downloading at one time, but forgot where I put it. > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 14 01:46:16 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:46:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? Message-ID: Hi Mark and Francisco Also, note that you now can get the VMware Player for free: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ It's available for Windows or Linux. A nice list of "machines" are ready for download (no Windows though). Free as well. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 13-12-2005 22:49:51 >>> Hello Francisco, I have been using it for at least a year now, and I find it great. For me, it has installed first time, every time and and I have always immediately installed the sp1 right away. After that, I mount an ISO image and reboot the virtual machine and it just installs the new machine, I have created Win XP, Win2K with no problems at all. Once I get a machine set up, I then save it as a read only machine and then copy that folder and make new machines that I can play with and then trash. I have successfully .Net 2003 and 2005 and SQL 2000 and SQL 2005. All with no errors even. Finally, I always Remote Desktop into it rather than attempting to use is as a Window. The Remote Desktop connection makes the virtual machine seem like it is a real machine, sometimes I have to check the IP address to remind myself. Thanks another thing, I always explicitly set the IP address of the V PC and change the machine name to reflect the IP address, so it is easy to identify which machines you are in. The V machines can be a bit slow, but I do not mind that, once they are up and running they are fine. It is better to have 1 GB or more in the base machine, so you can allocate 512 to the V machine and the same to your host machine. On my desktop, I have 2 gb and it does not seem to be much better than the home machine I have with only 1 gb. Oh, and you might find that you need plenty of storage also, for when you have a few machines running :) I have not played with Virtual Server yet, but have been meaning to. Best of luck with it, it is surely the most convenient way to play with software, as I write this I am in the process of installing Commerce Server on a V machine. Hello to any old friends on the list. Mark On 12/8/05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > Has anyone played with virtual PC?, > > I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial > software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 > enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the > vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's > > from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct > platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o > affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. > > any advise or warnings? > -- > -Francisco From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Dec 16 10:03:33 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior Message-ID: <00fc01c6025a$444543a0$6801a8c0@HAL9004> I'm using Outlook Express. Over the past few months, when looking at my mail, the system will pause, the disk light is on pretty steady, and then the email will display (I'm using the preview pane). As I down arrow through the mails, occasionally there will be another pause, sometimes as long as a minute, then it will display. If I turn off the preview pane, same thing - system stops on highlighting some email - disk light is on, soaking up 100% of the cycles, so the keyboard is frozen, then, after taking its own good time, it carries on and lets me open the email. Happens on emails with graphics or plain text (happens in my AccessD folder as well as the OT folder). I've culled old emails and compacted the folders. No effect. Any ideas what's going on there? MTIA Rocky From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Fri Dec 16 10:20:35 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior In-Reply-To: <00fc01c6025a$444543a0$6801a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <200512161621.jBGGLBJ16631@databaseadvisors.com> Look for mapped drives on network shares that aren't valid. I had that and it caused all kinds of strange behavior. Windows tries to go find the share and can't, hangs till a timeout occurs, then carries on. I don't know that this is your problem but who knows. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:04 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior I'm using Outlook Express. Over the past few months, when looking at my mail, the system will pause, the disk light is on pretty steady, and then the email will display (I'm using the preview pane). As I down arrow through the mails, occasionally there will be another pause, sometimes as long as a minute, then it will display. If I turn off the preview pane, same thing - system stops on highlighting some email - disk light is on, soaking up 100% of the cycles, so the keyboard is frozen, then, after taking its own good time, it carries on and lets me open the email. Happens on emails with graphics or plain text (happens in my AccessD folder as well as the OT folder). I've culled old emails and compacted the folders. No effect. Any ideas what's going on there? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Dec 16 11:58:32 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:58:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior In-Reply-To: <00fc01c6025a$444543a0$6801a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <00af01c6026a$54606430$8601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Rocky, I've had more strange Outlook Express problems on clients site in the past couple of months than its it's entire existence as a product. I am just guessing because I haven't been able to pin point it (and it isn't worth the time to do so) but I think its related to some of their updates. I have recommended that all of my clients switch to Thunderbird. Its free, works a lot like OE but is better than OE, has a good SPAM filter built in and is open source so you know there are no hidden agenda in it. Those that have taken that advice have had no problems since. HTH John B. PS: Surprised Francisco didn't beat me to this :o) From john at winhaven.net Fri Dec 16 13:59:34 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:59:34 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior In-Reply-To: <00af01c6026a$54606430$8601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <001b01c6027b$3d146ea0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> PS: I use Outlook so this is hardly a self serving or biased opinion. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Rocky, switch to Thunderbird. Its free, works a lot like OE but is better than OE, has a good SPAM filter built in and is open source so you know there are no hidden agenda in it. From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:12:15 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:12:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Email Client Behavior In-Reply-To: <00af01c6026a$54606430$8601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <00fc01c6025a$444543a0$6801a8c0@HAL9004> <00af01c6026a$54606430$8601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: On 16/12/05, John Bartow wrote: > I have recommended that all of my clients switch to Thunderbird. Its free, > works a lot like OE but is better than OE, has a good SPAM filter built in > and is open source so you know there are no hidden agenda in it. Another free replacement option is Pegasus Mail. It's not open source, but it's been around for about 15 years, and AFAIC is the best e-mail client available. It's got a lot of good safety features built into it. Mainly it does not run any sort of scripts or activeX's and will not download images from the web, unless you explicitly tell it to. Keeps you safe from all sorts of nasties. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Dec 19 05:14:54 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:14:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Group On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using E-mail. The file contains confidential information and is also popular information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded it? I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps a bit to helps a lot". Some additional remarks: -I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files instead of "1 for all". -Excel file is obligatory. -Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, deleting content etc. -Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification or logging or whatever. -I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 availibility or even sufficientbandwith. -The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. Thx Erwin Craps From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 19 05:29:05 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:29:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43A72621.30392.7DCABA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 19 Dec 2005 at 12:14, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > Hi Group > > On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using > E-mail. > The file contains confidential information and is also popular > information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed > before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not > so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other > parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to > avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded > it? > Once you have sent an email to another party there is no way you can track or control what happens to it. -- Stuart From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Dec 19 05:39:08 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:39:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FC@stekelbes.ithelps.local> To clarify, it is the attached Excel file that needs protection. One way would be to add code in the excel file when opening the file it would log something on a internet server. But this would generate security (Excel VBA code) and firewall probs... On the other hand, I read an article last week that a company is providing self-terminating e-mails technology (James Bond Style). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards On 19 Dec 2005 at 12:14, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > Hi Group > > On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using > E-mail. > The file contains confidential information and is also popular > information for press and other third parties, but may not be > disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) > decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail > gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. > Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or > atleast to track back who has forwarded it? > Once you have sent an email to another party there is no way you can track or control what happens to it. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Dec 19 07:23:04 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:23:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43A6B438.7080505@torchlake.com> Hi Erwin, I agree with the comment that once you have forwarded a file to someone, you have no further control over it. However, as far as protecting the Excel file from prying eyes, would it be sufficient to password protect it for opening? Then, it is available only to your recipients who know the password (unless a recipient gives away the password, of course). The idea of building in some code that logs things like the date and name of user, all of which gets hidden in the Excel file itself is appealing. That would allow backtracking if - and this is a big IF - you get hold of a copy of the Excel file after it has been forwarded to a recipient who was not supposed to get it. What an interesting puzzle. If it can be done, someone on this list will think up a way. Best regards, Tina Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: >Hi Group > >On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using >E-mail. >The file contains confidential information and is also popular >information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed >before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or >not so for his or here data. >I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not >receive this information. >Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast >to track back who has forwarded it? > >I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps >a bit to helps a lot". > >Some additional remarks: >-I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files >instead of "1 for all". >-Excel file is obligatory. >-Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, >deleting content etc. >-Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification >or logging or whatever. >-I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 >availibility or even sufficientbandwith. >-The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. > > >Thx > > > >Erwin Craps > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From James at fcidms.com Mon Dec 19 08:21:31 2005 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <200512191421.JAA19175@henry.bcentralhost.com> If you are using Outlook 2003, there is a feature called Information Rights Management which is supposed to prevent forwarding of protected attachements or only allowing specific Users to view attached files. I haven't used it myself but Microsoft claims it will do what you are looking for. I don't know what happens with users of other e-mail programs and whether the receipient needs Office 2003 to use these files but it is something to look into. Here is the link: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010859971033.aspx Hope that helps. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Hi Group On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using E-mail. The file contains confidential information and is also popular information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded it? I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps a bit to helps a lot". Some additional remarks: -I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files instead of "1 for all". -Excel file is obligatory. -Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, deleting content etc. -Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification or logging or whatever. -I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 availibility or even sufficientbandwith. -The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. Thx Erwin Craps _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Dec 19 08:17:01 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:17:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6204@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Securing with a static password is not an option because it would be given by the user. I suspect this already for the current website access where I Log IP numbers today. A dynamic password using a token (Digipass type using public/private key) would be a posibility but expensive and would need more technical intervention. But i don't know if Excel supports that. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Hi Erwin, I agree with the comment that once you have forwarded a file to someone, you have no further control over it. However, as far as protecting the Excel file from prying eyes, would it be sufficient to password protect it for opening? Then, it is available only to your recipients who know the password (unless a recipient gives away the password, of course). The idea of building in some code that logs things like the date and name of user, all of which gets hidden in the Excel file itself is appealing. That would allow backtracking if - and this is a big IF - you get hold of a copy of the Excel file after it has been forwarded to a recipient who was not supposed to get it. What an interesting puzzle. If it can be done, someone on this list will think up a way. Best regards, Tina Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: >Hi Group > >On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using >E-mail. >The file contains confidential information and is also popular >information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed >before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or >not so for his or here data. >I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not >receive this information. >Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or >atleast to track back who has forwarded it? > >I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps >a bit to helps a lot". > >Some additional remarks: >-I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files >instead of "1 for all". >-Excel file is obligatory. >-Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, >deleting content etc. >-Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line >verification or logging or whatever. >-I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 >availibility or even sufficientbandwith. >-The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. > > >Thx > > > >Erwin Craps > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Dec 19 09:33:19 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:33:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6206@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Seems to be something. Need to verify the technical and legal bits and bytes... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards If you are using Outlook 2003, there is a feature called Information Rights Management which is supposed to prevent forwarding of protected attachements or only allowing specific Users to view attached files. I haven't used it myself but Microsoft claims it will do what you are looking for. I don't know what happens with users of other e-mail programs and whether the receipient needs Office 2003 to use these files but it is something to look into. Here is the link: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010859971033.aspx Hope that helps. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Hi Group On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using E-mail. The file contains confidential information and is also popular information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded it? I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps a bit to helps a lot". Some additional remarks: -I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files instead of "1 for all". -Excel file is obligatory. -Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, deleting content etc. -Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification or logging or whatever. -I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 availibility or even sufficientbandwith. -The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. Thx Erwin Craps _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 09:39:14 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: Hi Erwin As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on. You could individualize the sheets with a serial no. or faked data (leak test) to identify a sheet (or the faked data for the leak test) if it is found outside the primary receivers. At least you can tell the receivers that you do this kind of test even if you don't ... /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 19-12-2005 12:14:54 >>> Hi Group On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using E-mail. The file contains confidential information and is also popular information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded it? I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps a bit to helps a lot". Some additional remarks: -I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files instead of "1 for all". -Excel file is obligatory. -Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, deleting content etc. -Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification or logging or whatever. -I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 availibility or even sufficientbandwith. -The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 10:05:39 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:05:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: Oops, meant confidential ... /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 19-12-2005 16:39:14 >>> As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 19 13:33:54 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:33:54 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <43A6B438.7080505@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <43A797C2.15061.998863D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 19 Dec 2005 at 8:23, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I agree with the comment that once you have forwarded a file to someone, you > have no further control over it. However, as far as protecting the Excel > file from prying eyes, would it be sufficient to password protect it for > opening? Then, it is available only to your recipients who know the > password (unless a recipient gives away the password, of course). > $40 for a password cracker. > The idea of building in some code that logs things like the date and > name of user, all of which gets hidden in the Excel file itself is > appealing. That would allow backtracking if - and this is a big IF - > you get hold of a copy of the Excel file after it has been forwarded to a > recipient who was not supposed to get it. > It's trivial to get around that - just save the excel file as a CSV and all hidden code etc is gone. -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 19 13:39:02 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:39:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <200512191421.JAA19175@henry.bcentralhost.com> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B61FA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43A798F6.19244.99D397C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 19 Dec 2005 at 9:21, James Barash wrote: > I don't > know what happens with users of other e-mail programs and whether the > receipient needs Office 2003 to use these files but it is something to look > into. Here is the link: > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010859971033.aspx > If you need to read or open content with restricted permission but don't have Office 2003 available on the computer you're using, you can download the Rights Management Add-on for Microsoft Internet Explorer or another program that supports content with restricted permission. Not much use for *nix and Mac users :-) -- Stuart From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Dec 20 00:54:46 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:54:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6207@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Still could be a solution. I believe there are only +/-5 mac users in this group, I could send them a regular file. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan Verzonden: maandag 19 december 2005 20:39 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards On 19 Dec 2005 at 9:21, James Barash wrote: > I don't > know what happens with users of other e-mail programs and whether the > receipient needs Office 2003 to use these files but it is something to > look into. Here is the link: > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010859971033.aspx > If you need to read or open content with restricted permission but don't have Office 2003 available on the computer you're using, you can download the Rights Management Add-on for Microsoft Internet Explorer or another program that supports content with restricted permission. Not much use for *nix and Mac users :-) -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Dec 20 01:19:29 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:19:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6208@stekelbes.ithelps.local> "As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on." Easy to say, but who is it? These are all employees of paying customers.... Can't fake data, is all official data and it would be noticed to, the data is verifiable. Serializing tought of that to, but in 6 years time (thats 1560 unique Excel files * +/- 120 recipiants= 187200 Excel files with an own life), never got hold of a forwarded file. Since the data is so confidential no one is stupid enough to return a forwarded file to someone in the trust group. Why should they? The trust group has that data already. Saving or exporting to CSV: It is a formatted Excel file, so that would cause problems and a treshold to do every day. I wonder if I put some code in an excel file to do a HTTP post in the background, if it would run on most computers? I could do this at random on specific days with specific users. I know that this is a privacy issue (rembember Belgium has the most strict Privacy Law in the world), but all parties agreed to receive and keep this data confidential, so probably there will be no complaints :-). -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock Verzonden: maandag 19 december 2005 16:39 Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Hi Erwin As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on. You could individualize the sheets with a serial no. or faked data (leak test) to identify a sheet (or the faked data for the leak test) if it is found outside the primary receivers. At least you can tell the receivers that you do this kind of test even if you don't ... /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 19-12-2005 12:14:54 >>> Hi Group On a daily basis I send 1 Excel files to about 120 recipients using E-mail. The file contains confidential information and is also popular information for press and other third parties, but may not be disclosed before the rightfull owner (all of the 120 recipents) decides to do/or not so for his or here data. I'm sure this E-mail gets forwarded to other parties that may not receive this information. Are there any means today to avoid forwarding this Excel file or atleast to track back who has forwarded it? I would like to hear suggestions from "cheap to expensive", from "helps a bit to helps a lot". Some additional remarks: -I would like to avoid sending 120 slightly different Excel files instead of "1 for all". -Excel file is obligatory. -Normal Excel file operation for the recipient, changing, adding, deleting content etc. -Avoiding 24x7 server availibility at my office for on-line verification or logging or whatever. -I do have an 24x7 internet server, but do not guaranty 24x7 availibility or even sufficientbandwith. -The recipients mainly use Outlook, some OE and some are Mac's. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Dec 20 06:15:05 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:15:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D00780@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABF4D9@ADGSERVER> As for the "phone home" part, all it takes is telling a firewall not to allow it and there goes that part. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards I wonder if I put some code in an excel file to do a HTTP post in the background, if it would run on most computers? I could do this at random on specific days with specific users. I know that this is a privacy issue (rembember Belgium has the most strict Privacy Law in the world), but all parties agreed to receive and keep this data confidential, so probably there will be no complaints :-). From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Dec 20 08:44:00 2005 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:44:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] GMail Folders Message-ID: I can't find a way to create additional folders in GMail, anyone know how? Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From darsant at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 08:48:46 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:48:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] GMail Folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53c8e05a0512200648k593c363dp84f6986fdb2e7d5c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/20/05, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > I can't find a way to create additional folders in GMail, anyone know > how? GMail uses a labeling system instead of folders. Just assign the message a new label, and then archive it, and then you can click the labels sidebar to access the 'folders' -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Dec 20 08:55:38 2005 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] GMail Folders Message-ID: Got it, Thanks Josh! Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Josh McFarlane > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:49 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] GMail Folders > > On 12/20/05, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > > I can't find a way to create additional folders in GMail, > anyone know > > how? > > GMail uses a labeling system instead of folders. > > Just assign the message a new label, and then archive it, and then you > can click the labels sidebar to access the 'folders' > -- > Josh McFarlane > > "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by > understanding." > -Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 10:15:12 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:15:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: Hi Erwin You can't deliver confidential data to non-cleared and non-trusted people - while at the same time keep the data confident. It's that simple. You could perhaps create an encryption setup where the decryption is locked to the MAC address of the reader's machine and/or a time frame of an hour to watch the data. Still, if data is visible on screen it can be copied and passed on. Or you'll need a dual key setup like that for controlling launch of nuclear weapons where no single person has the full key to anything. Thus customers would have to meet in pairs or triples to get access to the data ... /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 20-12-2005 08:19:29 >>> "As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on." Easy to say, but who is it? These are all employees of paying customers.... Can't fake data, is all official data and it would be noticed to, the data is verifiable. Serializing tought of that to, but in 6 years time (thats 1560 unique Excel files * +/- 120 recipiants= 187200 Excel files with an own life), never got hold of a forwarded file. Since the data is so confidential no one is stupid enough to return a forwarded file to someone in the trust group. Why should they? The trust group has that data already. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Dec 20 14:27:41 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:27:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6213@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I'm not that sure about that. If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has internet access. Wich I'm sure he has in this case. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bobby Heid Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 13:15 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards As for the "phone home" part, all it takes is telling a firewall not to allow it and there goes that part. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards I wonder if I put some code in an excel file to do a HTTP post in the background, if it would run on most computers? I could do this at random on specific days with specific users. I know that this is a privacy issue (rembember Belgium has the most strict Privacy Law in the world), but all parties agreed to receive and keep this data confidential, so probably there will be no complaints :-). _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Dec 20 14:51:05 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:51:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D008AB@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABF4F7@ADGSERVER> My software firewall will catch it. I was not talking about a hardware firewall. I guess I should have been more specific. Each time an application tries to access the internet, Sygate Personal Firewall Pro asks for permission to let that app have access. I can have it remember my answer and it will allow/disallow based upon that. So in the case here, if I have not let Excel access the internet, then it will ask me. I guess my comment is hit or miss depending on the user's setup. I was just saying that this is one more reason that 'phone home' may not work as described. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards I'm not that sure about that. If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has internet access. Wich I'm sure he has in this case. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bobby Heid Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 13:15 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards As for the "phone home" part, all it takes is telling a firewall not to allow it and there goes that part. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards I wonder if I put some code in an excel file to do a HTTP post in the background, if it would run on most computers? I could do this at random on specific days with specific users. I know that this is a privacy issue (rembember Belgium has the most strict Privacy Law in the world), but all parties agreed to receive and keep this data confidential, so probably there will be no complaints :-). From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Dec 20 14:53:42 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:53:42 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6213@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43A8FBF6.1279.2B46887@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 20 Dec 2005 at 21:27, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > I'm not that sure about that. > If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has > internet access. > Wich I'm sure he has in this case. > Any decent personal firewall and many corporate one will block it because only certain applications are allowed access to certain ports and Excel is not usually used as an HTTP client. -- Stuart From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 14:57:58 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:57:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: Hi Erwin That may be true. Or at least you can force it to be true: Publish the sheet with encrypted data, then let the sheet "phone home" with some unique ID to obtain the key. It could be the IP address which would be the outside address of the gateway. Not fool proof in any way - as, again, the data can be read and copied when decrypted - but it would track simple copying of the sheet. /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 20-12-2005 21:27:41 >>> I'm not that sure about that. If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has internet access. Wich I'm sure he has in this case. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bobby Heid Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 13:15 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards As for the "phone home" part, all it takes is telling a firewall not to allow it and there goes that part. Bobby From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Dec 20 15:04:42 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:04:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6214@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well it's a pretty difficult situation, there are severall parties involved and it is known that some persons do not treat the data all that confidential, probably for good relationship with the press or other parties like investors that could take advantage of the data. But all the parties have right to have the data. Infact every one of those 180 (just checked it is already 180) recipients is partialy owner of that data. So I can't valid a person if he can or not may have the data. If he has the right he has the right. The data does not need fullproof protection. Avoiding forward (or at least making it more difficult) or beeing able to know whom it has been forward from/to is sufficiant, so I can contact this person. Securing further would cause availabilty or management problems. Furthermore normal Excel use in that file should be posible (changing, adding, exporting). It's just a question how to add a treshold into the forwarding so users will not forward that easy. Either from a technical or a chance-to-be-caught-fear point solution I not asking that much security, just a simple thing to disencourage a user to forward the excel file or a way to track the forward. Stupid things like (just came to my mind when writing this), adding usefull attractive hyperlinks in the Excel file where user can click to get more data from my webserver.. When they click on these links I can see in my weblog from which IP address and probably from wich domain when they have a fixed IP. This may sound silly, but it isn't in this case. If get get a mail forwarded on a daily basis, after a couple of weeks or months, you forget that you should not have that mail and tend to do stupid things... It will not cover everything but it will hint us in the good direction, since the sector is very small world. Using an Id in that link should enable me to know whom's file is beeing clicked. That would mean 180 different files, but I do not need to send out 180 different files on a daily base. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 17:15 Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Hi Erwin You can't deliver confidential data to non-cleared and non-trusted people - while at the same time keep the data confident. It's that simple. You could perhaps create an encryption setup where the decryption is locked to the MAC address of the reader's machine and/or a time frame of an hour to watch the data. Still, if data is visible on screen it can be copied and passed on. Or you'll need a dual key setup like that for controlling launch of nuclear weapons where no single person has the full key to anything. Thus customers would have to meet in pairs or triples to get access to the data ... /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 20-12-2005 08:19:29 >>> "As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on." Easy to say, but who is it? These are all employees of paying customers.... Can't fake data, is all official data and it would be noticed to, the data is verifiable. Serializing tought of that to, but in 6 years time (thats 1560 unique Excel files * +/- 120 recipiants= 187200 Excel files with an own life), never got hold of a forwarded file. Since the data is so confidential no one is stupid enough to return a forwarded file to someone in the trust group. Why should they? The trust group has that data already. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Dec 20 15:08:43 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:08:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6215@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I could make a call to the Internet Explorer from within Excel and let IE do a post... I'm using that in one of my apps (from Access), I'm not sure, but pretty sure the firewall will see IE as the app originator. Which is in this case always allowed. Most Companies dot not have a firwall on each pc... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 21:54 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards On 20 Dec 2005 at 21:27, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > I'm not that sure about that. > If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has > internet access. > Wich I'm sure he has in this case. > Any decent personal firewall and many corporate one will block it because only certain applications are allowed access to certain ports and Excel is not usually used as an HTTP client. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 04:54:43 2005 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:43 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Thanks for that, I have not looked at it yet, but it sounds great, to be able to download preloaded machines. Mark On 12/14/05, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Mark and Francisco > > Also, note that you now can get the VMware Player for free: > > http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ > > It's available for Windows or Linux. > A nice list of "machines" are ready for download (no Windows though). Free > as well. > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 13-12-2005 22:49:51 >>> > Hello Francisco, > > I have been using it for at least a year now, and I find it great. > > For me, it has installed first time, every time and and I have always > immediately installed the sp1 right away. After that, I mount an ISO > image > and reboot the virtual machine and it just installs the new machine, I > have > created Win XP, Win2K with no problems at all. > > Once I get a machine set up, I then save it as a read only machine and > then > copy that folder and make new machines that I can play with and then > trash. > I have successfully .Net 2003 and 2005 and SQL 2000 and SQL 2005. All > with > no errors even. > > Finally, I always Remote Desktop into it rather than attempting to use is > as > a Window. The Remote Desktop connection makes the virtual machine seem > like > it is a real machine, sometimes I have to check the IP address to remind > myself. > > Thanks another thing, I always explicitly set the IP address of the V PC > and > change the machine name to reflect the IP address, so it is easy to > identify > which machines you are in. > > The V machines can be a bit slow, but I do not mind that, once they are up > and running they are fine. > > It is better to have 1 GB or more in the base machine, so you can allocate > 512 to the V machine and the same to your host machine. On my desktop, I > have 2 gb and it does not seem to be much better than the home machine I > have with only 1 gb. > > Oh, and you might find that you need plenty of storage also, for when you > have a few machines running :) > > I have not played with Virtual Server yet, but have been meaning to. > > Best of luck with it, it is surely the most convenient way to play with > software, as I write this I am in the process of installing Commerce > Server > on a V machine. > > Hello to any old friends on the list. > > Mark > > > On 12/8/05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > > Has anyone played with virtual PC?, > > > > I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial > > software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 > > enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the > > vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's > > > > from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct > > platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o > > affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. > > > > any advise or warnings? > > -- > > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 11:58:09 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:58:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualPC?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AS a follow up I downloaded the VMplayer and the ubuntu kiosk and the full Ubuntu VM, and man do they run flawlessly, I havent played w/ ubuntu for quite some time but it looks like they really have been improving their desktop :) last night i worked on getting a few games loaded along w/ weblinks for my son and renamed the vm to my son's name, and asked him if he wants to browse the web he can click on the icon w/ Mario (his favorite video game character) very cool :) On 12/21/05, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Gustav, > > Thanks for that, I have not looked at it yet, but it sounds great, to be > able to download preloaded machines. > > Mark > > > > > On 12/14/05, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > Hi Mark and Francisco > > > > Also, note that you now can get the VMware Player for free: > > > > http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ > > > > It's available for Windows or Linux. > > A nice list of "machines" are ready for download (no Windows though). Free > > as well. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 13-12-2005 22:49:51 >>> > > Hello Francisco, > > > > I have been using it for at least a year now, and I find it great. > > > > For me, it has installed first time, every time and and I have always > > immediately installed the sp1 right away. After that, I mount an ISO > > image > > and reboot the virtual machine and it just installs the new machine, I > > have > > created Win XP, Win2K with no problems at all. > > > > Once I get a machine set up, I then save it as a read only machine and > > then > > copy that folder and make new machines that I can play with and then > > trash. > > I have successfully .Net 2003 and 2005 and SQL 2000 and SQL 2005. All > > with > > no errors even. > > > > Finally, I always Remote Desktop into it rather than attempting to use is > > as > > a Window. The Remote Desktop connection makes the virtual machine seem > > like > > it is a real machine, sometimes I have to check the IP address to remind > > myself. > > > > Thanks another thing, I always explicitly set the IP address of the V PC > > and > > change the machine name to reflect the IP address, so it is easy to > > identify > > which machines you are in. > > > > The V machines can be a bit slow, but I do not mind that, once they are up > > and running they are fine. > > > > It is better to have 1 GB or more in the base machine, so you can allocate > > 512 to the V machine and the same to your host machine. On my desktop, I > > have 2 gb and it does not seem to be much better than the home machine I > > have with only 1 gb. > > > > Oh, and you might find that you need plenty of storage also, for when you > > have a few machines running :) > > > > I have not played with Virtual Server yet, but have been meaning to. > > > > Best of luck with it, it is surely the most convenient way to play with > > software, as I write this I am in the process of installing Commerce > > Server > > on a V machine. > > > > Hello to any old friends on the list. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On 12/8/05, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone played with virtual PC?, > > > > > > I attended the Microsoft Launch on Dec 6th, and received some trial > > > software that I wanted to try out, including the windows 2003 > > > enterprise w/ the tech preview of biztalk server. (not to menton the > > > vs2005/sql2005 standard ed's > > > > > > from reading the docs on virtual pc, it sounds like the correct > > > platform for me. this way I can try out sql2005 and vs2005 w/o > > > affecting my current sql2000 and vs2003 installs. > > > > > > any advise or warnings? > > > -- > > > -Francisco > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Wed Dec 21 14:16:14 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:16:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web Message-ID: <200512212016.jBLKGHV02059@databaseadvisors.com> Does anyone have any knowledge of what is required to serve reports to users on the web. The scenario is the Disability Insurance call center, a new client, which wants to get access to summary information on insurance claims being processed for management, but eventually to allow claimants to see the status of their claim live, online. I need a feel for how the security issue is handled, how users / passwords can be created automatically, and once created how reports can be generated and displayed based on the user logged in. Details are sketchy, but I am guessing that a secure area would be created where users log in. The first pass would segment the users into claimants and managers. Once logged in, a selection of possible reports (assuming that once demonstrated, the reports will grow uncontrollably). The BE is currently an Access BE approaching 500 mbytes, pounded on all day by ~40 users live in-house entering claims and answering calls. How does a web enabled app get data out. The "boss" has already pretty much nixed emailing reports and downloadable predefined PDF files. Which to me indicates they are looking at "configurable" reporting out of live data, straight to html, with strong security to keep the wrong people out. Anyone out there with experience in doing this kind of stuff? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Dec 22 12:45:06 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:45:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6215@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43AAF432.30803@shaw.ca> Here is a book chapter on Office Security and DIRM Secure your documents with Word 2003's privacy and security options Step by step instructions on IRM, should apply to Excel too. http://techrepublic.com.com/5138-1009-5933819.html?tag=nl.e056 Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: >I could make a call to the Internet Explorer from within Excel and let >IE do a post... >I'm using that in one of my apps (from Access), I'm not sure, but pretty >sure the firewall will see IE as the app originator. Which is in this >case always allowed. > >Most Companies dot not have a firwall on each pc... > >Erwin > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan >Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 21:54 >Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards > >On 20 Dec 2005 at 21:27, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > > >>I'm not that sure about that. >>If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has >>internet access. >>Wich I'm sure he has in this case. >> >> >> > >Any decent personal firewall and many corporate one will block it >because only certain applications are allowed access to certain ports >and Excel is not usually used as an HTTP client. > > > >-- >Stuart > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Dec 23 01:02:11 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:02:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6237@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Thx -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens MartyConnelly Verzonden: donderdag 22 december 2005 19:45 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards Here is a book chapter on Office Security and DIRM Secure your documents with Word 2003's privacy and security options Step by step instructions on IRM, should apply to Excel too. http://techrepublic.com.com/5138-1009-5933819.html?tag=nl.e056 Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: >I could make a call to the Internet Explorer from within Excel and let >IE do a post... >I'm using that in one of my apps (from Access), I'm not sure, but >pretty sure the firewall will see IE as the app originator. Which is in >this case always allowed. > >Most Companies dot not have a firwall on each pc... > >Erwin > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan >Verzonden: dinsdag 20 december 2005 21:54 >Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards > >On 20 Dec 2005 at 21:27, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > > >>I'm not that sure about that. >>If it's a regular port 80 post it should work, when the user has >>internet access. >>Wich I'm sure he has in this case. >> >> >> > >Any decent personal firewall and many corporate one will block it >because only certain applications are allowed access to certain ports >and Excel is not usually used as an HTTP client. > > > >-- >Stuart > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 22 23:26:40 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:26:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA Board of Directors for 2006/2007 Message-ID: <43AB4440.6592.BC669@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The Shareholders of Database Advisors, Inc. have just met and elected the Board of Directors for 2006/2007. Congratulations to the new Board of Directors: Donna Cook, Drew Wutka, Jim Lawrence, John Bartow, John Colby, Keith Williamson, Lembit Soobik, Reuben Cummings, Rocky Smolin for John Bartow President, DatabaseAdvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Dec 24 08:02:19 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:02:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web References: <200512212016.jBLKGHV02059@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <43AD54EB.4010101@torchlake.com> I will be very interested in knowing more about this, too, although my application is nowhere nearly so large, or complex, or confidential. Mine is a database of water quality sampling events and analysis results, with a log of volunteers' time (valued as matching funds in-kind to a grant). The quarterly report on volunteers' time is part of the invoice sent back to the granting agency. While the database was kept on a single computer, the report was generated, and saved as a pdf file for electronic transmission. Now, the database is on a website, and the html report does not give the same pagination - I don't know how to turn it into a printable report that looks like the one I made when the database was just here on my box. This database web site stuff is a new realm for me. I will stay tuned, and I'm glad John asked the question - I was too timid. Tina John Colby wrote: >Does anyone have any knowledge of what is required to serve reports to users >on the web. > >The scenario is the Disability Insurance call center, a new client, which >wants to get access to summary information on insurance claims being >processed for management, but eventually to allow claimants to see the >status of their claim live, online. > >I need a feel for how the security issue is handled, how users / passwords >can be created automatically, and once created how reports can be generated >and displayed based on the user logged in. Details are sketchy, but I am >guessing that a secure area would be created where users log in. The first >pass would segment the users into claimants and managers. Once logged in, a >selection of possible reports (assuming that once demonstrated, the reports >will grow uncontrollably). > >The BE is currently an Access BE approaching 500 mbytes, pounded on all day >by ~40 users live in-house entering claims and answering calls. How does a >web enabled app get data out. The "boss" has already pretty much nixed >emailing reports and downloadable predefined PDF files. Which to me >indicates they are looking at "configurable" reporting out of live data, >straight to html, with strong security to keep the wrong people out. > >Anyone out there with experience in doing this kind of stuff? > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From artful at rogers.com Tue Dec 27 14:38:55 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:38:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6208@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <200512272038.jBRKctV10285@databaseadvisors.com> (Don`t pass confidential data on...) Don`t tell your wife that I am sleeping with her LOL. A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: December 20, 2005 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Securing Excel File to avoid E-mail forwards "As Stuart said, you can't. If people can't handle confident data, don't pass it on." Easy to say, but who is it? These are all employees of paying customers.... From artful at rogers.com Wed Dec 28 12:29:48 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:29:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom In-Reply-To: <200512272038.jBRKctV10285@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200512281829.jBSITmV28078@databaseadvisors.com> I subscribe to an outfit called Rogers. I have a box somewhat like a TIVO but less intelligent, I think. It can store about 45-50 hours of programs, and some of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to record captured programs to VCR (which is about as useful as recording them to 8-track or BetaMax). The whole 45 hours is almost full and I want to burn said captures to DVD. None of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to connect a DVD burner to this box (Scientific Atlanta 8300). There are standard RCA outs but I am under the impression that I will lose lots of quality going this route. I could be wrong. The local store has a VCR/DVD recorder and the guy there assures me that I can burn a DVD from the Scientific Atlanta box to DVD, but with the following proviso. I must select a saved item, then play it and capture it from the play. No reason to doubt this... just that I do NOT want to waste time figuring this out. The VCR/DVD unit is stereo, and so is my TV, and so is the Scientific box. Since I haven't yet purchased the VCR/DVD unit, I cannot describe its back end. It seems entirely pointless to me to purchase a combo unit; I do have a collection of VCRs but so what? I already have a (mono) VCR player, and those VCRs that I do have and treasure I will happily rent their DVD equivalents and burn them. But I have about 40 hours of stuff on the Scientific Atlanta box that I DO want to save to DVD. Has anyone achieved this? I have three DVD burners already, installed in computers that are about 20 feet from the Scientific Atlanta box. Do I need to purchase another one to live right beside the TV, or could I get a 25-foot wire and pipe the output to one of my PC burners? (Aside: everything I want to burn comes from one creator, a certain Chris Haddock, who is IMO the best thing that ever happened to CBC drama. If CBC would only create some DVDs I would happily buy them and be done with it, but for some idiotic reason CBC has not done so... so I am stuck with making my own. I have no intention to violate copyrights, mass produce them, etc. I just want to watch them repeatedly.) So, what do I need to buy to achieve this? TIA, Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 13:05:59 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:05:59 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom In-Reply-To: <200512281829.jBSITmV28078@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200512272038.jBRKctV10285@databaseadvisors.com> <200512281829.jBSITmV28078@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, PC Magazine just ran an article on using your PC DVD burner to burn your VCR Tape based content to DVD. You would be doing a similar process from the Rogers hard drive recorder. Have a look here http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1892657,00.asp There is a nice diagram on the second page of that artical "Hardware" that shows how it all fits together. Gary On 12/28/05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I subscribe to an outfit called Rogers. I have a box somewhat like a TIVO > but less intelligent, I think. It can store about 45-50 hours of programs, > and some of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to record captured > programs to VCR (which is about as useful as recording them to 8-track or > BetaMax). The whole 45 hours is almost full and I want to burn said captures > to DVD. None of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to connect a DVD > burner to this box (Scientific Atlanta 8300). There are standard RCA outs > but I am under the impression that I will lose lots of quality going this > route. I could be wrong. > The local store has a VCR/DVD recorder and the guy there assures me that I > can burn a DVD from the Scientific Atlanta box to DVD, but with the > following proviso. I must select a saved item, then play it and capture it > from the play. No reason to doubt this... just that I do NOT want to waste > time figuring this out. The VCR/DVD unit is stereo, and so is my TV, and so > is the Scientific box. Since I haven't yet purchased the VCR/DVD unit, I > cannot describe its back end. It seems entirely pointless to me to purchase > a combo unit; I do have a collection of VCRs but so what? I already have a > (mono) VCR player, and those VCRs that I do have and treasure I will happily > rent their DVD equivalents and burn them. But I have about 40 hours of stuff > on the Scientific Atlanta box that I DO want to save to DVD. > Has anyone achieved this? I have three DVD burners already, installed in > computers that are about 20 feet from the Scientific Atlanta box. Do I need > to purchase another one to live right beside the TV, or could I get a > 25-foot wire and pipe the output to one of my PC burners? > (Aside: everything I want to burn comes from one creator, a certain Chris > Haddock, who is IMO the best thing that ever happened to CBC drama. If CBC > would only create some DVDs I would happily buy them and be done with it, > but for some idiotic reason CBC has not done so... so I am stuck with making > my own. I have no intention to violate copyrights, mass produce them, etc. I > just want to watch them repeatedly.) > So, what do I need to buy to achieve this? > TIA, > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 14:47:00 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:47:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom In-Reply-To: <200512281829.jBSITmV28078@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200512272038.jBRKctV10285@databaseadvisors.com> <200512281829.jBSITmV28078@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: On 28/12/05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I subscribe to an outfit called Rogers. I have a box somewhat like a TIVO > but less intelligent, I think. It can store about 45-50 hours of programs, > and some of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to record captured > programs to VCR (which is about as useful as recording them to 8-track or > BetaMax). The whole 45 hours is almost full and I want to burn said captures > to DVD. None of the diagrams in the manual indicate how to connect a DVD > burner to this box (Scientific Atlanta 8300). There are standard RCA outs > but I am under the impression that I will lose lots of quality going this > route. I could be wrong. Yes you will lose some quality, but unless this is the Rogers HD PVR then the quality lose should not be that much if you are using good quality cables. Ithink that if you follow the instructions for transfering to VHS, but substitute the DVD burner for the VHS everything should be the same. Even better would be to use the S-Video out of the PVR. > Has anyone achieved this? I have three DVD burners already, installed in > computers that are about 20 feet from the Scientific Atlanta box. Do I need > to purchase another one to live right beside the TV, or could I get a > 25-foot wire and pipe the output to one of my PC burners? Assuming that you have a video capture card in the PCs with the DVD burners, then all you should need is a long cable. The longer the more signal loss you will see, so if you can you may be better off to move on of your PCs closer. > (Aside: everything I want to burn comes from one creator, a certain Chris > Haddock, who is IMO the best thing that ever happened to CBC drama. If CBC > would only create some DVDs I would happily buy them and be done with it, > but for some idiotic reason CBC has not done so... so I am stuck with making > my own. I have no intention to violate copyrights, mass produce them, etc. I > just want to watch them repeatedly.) Have you checked the CBC Boutique (http://cbcboutique.ca) for what you are looking for? Keep in mind that CBC may not own the rights for video/DVD distribution. It may have been a co-production. If it is older, pre-video sales, we may not have been able to reach video distribution royalty payment agreements with all the people involved. Unfortunately much of what we air these days, we don't actually own the rights to. It a sad fact of life with all of our cuts over the last 15 years. (oops, I'm stepping down off my soapbox now) > So, what do I need to buy to achieve this? Depends on how you plan on doing it :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Thu Dec 29 15:45:31 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512292145.jBTLjTV10524@databaseadvisors.com> This is a start but that is all that it is. I have a Scientific Atlanta box with standard RCA outputs and diagrams how to copy to VCR but this seems to me a very lossy route. I have been told that instead I could select a recorded program and pipe it to a DVD burner and thus capture 1+ programs to a single DVD. That is that I want. I am NOT into bootlegging this stuff. I just want to watch episodes repeatedly. Unfortunately, the series of interest are not available at the CBC store or I would simply buy them. I might be wrong, but I am guessing that first recording to VCR and thence to DVD would result in a serious loss of resolution. I am most willing to stand corrected on this. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: December 28, 2005 2:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom Hi Arthur, PC Magazine just ran an article on using your PC DVD burner to burn your VCR Tape based content to DVD. You would be doing a similar process from the Rogers hard drive recorder. Have a look here http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1892657,00.asp There is a nice diagram on the second page of that artical "Hardware" that shows how it all fits together. Gary From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Dec 30 05:11:37 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:11:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <200512292145.jBTLjTV10524@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <000001c60d31$cd98a750$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> Anyone know a free program to convert MOV video files to MPEG or AVI? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Dec 30 05:56:08 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:56:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <000001c60d31$cd98a750$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> References: <200512292145.jBTLjTV10524@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <43B5ACF8.20454.2D3CCD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 30 Dec 2005 at 11:11, Andy Lacey wrote: > Anyone know a free program to convert MOV video files to MPEG or AVI? > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4942/svcd.html Has a command line MOV-MPG converter. It also has a plugin for TMPGEnc which is probably the better option. Get TMPGEnc from http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html -- Stuart From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Dec 30 07:44:31 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:31 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <43B5ACF8.20454.2D3CCD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000001c60d47$29ac61c0$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> Thanks Stuart. Turned out I needed MPG so I've had to use MOV2AVI to create an AVI then TMPGEnc to create MPG. Bit long-winded but did the job. Thanks. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 30 December 2005 11:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files > > > On 30 Dec 2005 at 11:11, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > Anyone know a free program to convert MOV video files to > MPEG or AVI? > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4942/svcd.html > > Has a command line MOV-MPG converter. > > It also has a plugin for TMPGEnc which is probably the better > option. Get TMPGEnc from http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 09:24:41 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:24:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom In-Reply-To: <200512292145.jBTLjTV10524@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200512292145.jBTLjTV10524@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Heres a few more links with some info for you Arthur.... http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/106487.html http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_15019870_128554781,00.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/30/AR2005123000164.html That last one was just published today and it referred to the NEXT article that is to come in the series offering more info so perhaps that will be the answer that brings it all together.... GK On 12/29/05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This is a start but that is all that it is. I have a Scientific Atlanta box > with standard RCA outputs and diagrams how to copy to VCR but this seems to > me a very lossy route. I have been told that instead I could select a > recorded program and pipe it to a DVD burner and thus capture 1+ programs to > a single DVD. That is that I want. I am NOT into bootlegging this stuff. I > just want to watch episodes repeatedly. Unfortunately, the series of > interest are not available at the CBC store or I would simply buy them. > I might be wrong, but I am guessing that first recording to VCR and thence > to DVD would result in a serious loss of resolution. I am most willing to > stand corrected on this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: December 28, 2005 2:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question about cable tv and recording therefrom > > Hi Arthur, > > PC Magazine just ran an article on using your PC DVD burner to burn > your VCR Tape based content to DVD. You would be doing a similar > process from the Rogers hard drive recorder. > > Have a look here > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1892657,00.asp > > There is a nice diagram on the second page of that artical "Hardware" > that shows how it all fits together. > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Dec 30 09:49:24 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:49:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <5502759.1135941285926.JavaMail.root@sniper39> Message-ID: <000701c60d58$9c47c470$0200a8c0@danwaters> Andy, I know that Windows Media Encoder will do many things, but I don't know if it will specifically do this. Here is the link to the WME FAQ page: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/faq.aspx#toc_f iles Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files Anyone know a free program to convert MOV video files to MPEG or AVI? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Fri Dec 30 09:55:27 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:55:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web In-Reply-To: <43AD54EB.4010101@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200512301555.jBUFtTV16841@databaseadvisors.com> My client downloaded a demo of Iron Speed, which is a web site builder that understands databases. He was quite pleased with what he could do given his relative lack of expertise in the subject. I have not tried it myself yet. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web I will be very interested in knowing more about this, too, although my application is nowhere nearly so large, or complex, or confidential. Mine is a database of water quality sampling events and analysis results, with a log of volunteers' time (valued as matching funds in-kind to a grant). The quarterly report on volunteers' time is part of the invoice sent back to the granting agency. While the database was kept on a single computer, the report was generated, and saved as a pdf file for electronic transmission. Now, the database is on a website, and the html report does not give the same pagination - I don't know how to turn it into a printable report that looks like the one I made when the database was just here on my box. This database web site stuff is a new realm for me. I will stay tuned, and I'm glad John asked the question - I was too timid. Tina John Colby wrote: >Does anyone have any knowledge of what is required to serve reports to >users on the web. > >The scenario is the Disability Insurance call center, a new client, >which wants to get access to summary information on insurance claims >being processed for management, but eventually to allow claimants to >see the status of their claim live, online. > >I need a feel for how the security issue is handled, how users / >passwords can be created automatically, and once created how reports >can be generated and displayed based on the user logged in. Details >are sketchy, but I am guessing that a secure area would be created >where users log in. The first pass would segment the users into >claimants and managers. Once logged in, a selection of possible >reports (assuming that once demonstrated, the reports will grow uncontrollably). > >The BE is currently an Access BE approaching 500 mbytes, pounded on all >day by ~40 users live in-house entering claims and answering calls. >How does a web enabled app get data out. The "boss" has already pretty >much nixed emailing reports and downloadable predefined PDF files. >Which to me indicates they are looking at "configurable" reporting out >of live data, straight to html, with strong security to keep the wrong people out. > >Anyone out there with experience in doing this kind of stuff? > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marcus at tsstech.com Fri Dec 30 10:01:45 2005 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:01:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web Message-ID: John, It is quiet impressive but will still need programming for anything beyond basic stuff (just like MS Access). I've been using it for seven months for intranet applications. Scott Marcus TSS Technologies, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:55 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web My client downloaded a demo of Iron Speed, which is a web site builder that understands databases. He was quite pleased with what he could do given his relative lack of expertise in the subject. I have not tried it myself yet. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Serving reports to the web I will be very interested in knowing more about this, too, although my application is nowhere nearly so large, or complex, or confidential. Mine is a database of water quality sampling events and analysis results, with a log of volunteers' time (valued as matching funds in-kind to a grant). The quarterly report on volunteers' time is part of the invoice sent back to the granting agency. While the database was kept on a single computer, the report was generated, and saved as a pdf file for electronic transmission. Now, the database is on a website, and the html report does not give the same pagination - I don't know how to turn it into a printable report that looks like the one I made when the database was just here on my box. This database web site stuff is a new realm for me. I will stay tuned, and I'm glad John asked the question - I was too timid. Tina John Colby wrote: >Does anyone have any knowledge of what is required to serve reports to >users on the web. > >The scenario is the Disability Insurance call center, a new client, >which wants to get access to summary information on insurance claims >being processed for management, but eventually to allow claimants to >see the status of their claim live, online. > >I need a feel for how the security issue is handled, how users / >passwords can be created automatically, and once created how reports >can be generated and displayed based on the user logged in. Details >are sketchy, but I am guessing that a secure area would be created >where users log in. The first pass would segment the users into >claimants and managers. Once logged in, a selection of possible >reports (assuming that once demonstrated, the reports will grow uncontrollably). > >The BE is currently an Access BE approaching 500 mbytes, pounded on all >day by ~40 users live in-house entering claims and answering calls. >How does a web enabled app get data out. The "boss" has already pretty >much nixed emailing reports and downloadable predefined PDF files. >Which to me indicates they are looking at "configurable" reporting out >of live data, straight to html, with strong security to keep the wrong people out. > >Anyone out there with experience in doing this kind of stuff? > >John W. 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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Dec 30 11:37:51 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:37:51 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <000701c60d58$9c47c470$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000801c60d67$c20e56b0$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> Thanks Dan but it appears not to support MOV. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: 30 December 2005 15:49 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files > > > Andy, > > I know that Windows Media Encoder will do many things, but I > don't know if it will specifically do this. > > Here is the link to the WME FAQ page: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/ faq.aspx#toc_f iles Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files Anyone know a free program to convert MOV video files to MPEG or AVI? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Dec 30 17:40:58 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:40:58 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <000001c60d47$29ac61c0$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> References: <43B5ACF8.20454.2D3CCD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <43B6522A.21299.557677B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 30 Dec 2005 at 13:44, Andy Lacey wrote: > Thanks Stuart. Turned out I needed MPG so I've had to use MOV2AVI to create > an AVI then TMPGEnc to create MPG. Bit long-winded but did the job. Thanks. > If you grab the MOV plugin for TMPGEnc from http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4942/svcd.html and drop it in your TMPGEnc directory, you can open the MOV directly in TMPGEnc without doing the MOV2AVI first. -- Stuart From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sat Dec 31 05:16:26 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:26 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files In-Reply-To: <43B6522A.21299.557677B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002801c60dfb$a4324c70$30a70c54@minster33c3r25> Great, thanks Stuart. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 30 December 2005 23:41 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Converting MOV files > > > On 30 Dec 2005 at 13:44, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > Thanks Stuart. Turned out I needed MPG so I've had to use > MOV2AVI to > > create an AVI then TMPGEnc to create MPG. Bit long-winded > but did the > > job. Thanks. > > > > If you grab the MOV plugin for TMPGEnc from > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4942/svcd.html > and drop it in your TMPGEnc directory, you can open the MOV > directly in > TMPGEnc without doing the MOV2AVI first. > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >