From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 1 00:44:02 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:44:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy New Year! Message-ID: <20050101004489.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> Best Wishes to you all for the coming year! John R. Bartow WinHaven LLC From Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Jan 1 10:50:29 2005 From: Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:50:29 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? Message-ID: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> List A couple of times lately I have discovered BlazingTools Perfect KeyLogger on our family pc. Windows 98; I have now disabled Internet Explorer (in ZoneAlarm) but it wasn't in common use before. Anyone know how the keylogger gets in there ? And how I can stop it ? Msconfig shows it up as c:\windows\system\bpk.exe in the startup tab. But we don't startup very often (for Windows98). That's a legacy of a duff power supply, that taught us not to switch it off in case we can't switch it on again. (The power supply has gone, but the habit remains.) So just because the keylogger files are dated two days ago doesn't necessarily mean it's running. If you go to their website (BlazingTools are quite open about it - http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html) you learn that it can run completely invisibly so I can't be sure whether it's been activated or not. I just ran Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and neither detected it. It's a problem because my wife won't do the shopping if she thinks her credit card number is being logged. Any hints anyone ? Mike Tope From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 1 12:43:46 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:43:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: I don't know about detecting and removing it, but you can certainly disable it from starting in msconfig by unticking the box. You should also be able to stop bpk.exe from contacting the internet as well through zonealarm. I'm on the verge of remembering something else, but my head is still a bit fuzzy from last night's party... I'll come back when I've remembered :-) Hope this has helped a bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mike Tope Sent: 01 January 2005 16:50 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? List A couple of times lately I have discovered BlazingTools Perfect KeyLogger on our family pc. Windows 98; I have now disabled Internet Explorer (in ZoneAlarm) but it wasn't in common use before. Anyone know how the keylogger gets in there ? And how I can stop it ? Msconfig shows it up as c:\windows\system\bpk.exe in the startup tab. But we don't startup very often (for Windows98). That's a legacy of a duff power supply, that taught us not to switch it off in case we can't switch it on again. (The power supply has gone, but the habit remains.) So just because the keylogger files are dated two days ago doesn't necessarily mean it's running. If you go to their website (BlazingTools are quite open about it - http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html) you learn that it can run completely invisibly so I can't be sure whether it's been activated or not. I just ran Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and neither detected it. It's a problem because my wife won't do the shopping if she thinks her credit card number is being logged. Any hints anyone ? Mike Tope _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 1 15:03:06 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:03:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: <200501011503699.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> Mike, Don't always trust spyware detectors as being 100% correct in refferrring to software as unwanted/unneeded. I have radmin show up in spyware dtections quite a bit. It is a remote access program that I installed. (The potential for abuse is always present with a remote access host of any kind - this is something one needs to understand and prevent via security settings.) Some keyloggers are put there on purpose. They are monitors and may be because of some parental oversight program that keeps tabs on what your computer is being used for. Do you have any of those installed? I don't know anything about BlazingTools keylooger but am just advising that you should check into it before assuming the spyware scan is correct. I recommend disabling it via the spyware detectors' "quarantine" function or via "msconfig" and then deleting it when you're sure. Note that some programs can get around msconfig's methods of disabling (and some get around the spyware detector's methods too.) You should always rescan after restarting your system. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tope Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? List A couple of times lately I have discovered BlazingTools Perfect KeyLogger on our family pc. Windows 98; I have now disabled Internet Explorer (in ZoneAlarm) but it wasn't in common use before. Anyone know how the keylogger gets in there ? And how I can stop it ? Msconfig shows it up as c:\windows\system\bpk.exe in the startup tab. But we don't startup very often (for Windows98). That's a legacy of a duff power supply, that taught us not to switch it off in case we can't switch it on again. (The power supply has gone, but the habit remains.) So just because the keylogger files are dated two days ago doesn't necessarily mean it's running. If you go to their website (BlazingTools are quite open about it - http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html) you learn that it can run completely invisibly so I can't be sure whether it's been activated or not. I just ran Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and neither detected it. It's a problem because my wife won't do the shopping if she thinks her credit card number is being logged. Any hints anyone ? Mike Tope _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Jan 1 16:16:24 2005 From: Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:16:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? References: <200501011503699.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <002201c4f04f$8f85a6c0$0207a8c0@bill> Thanks John. No "parental oversight" spyware has been deliberately installed here. We keep the pc in the living room but after that it's just trust. I think Spybot recognised the keylogger the first time, and claimed to have to have fixed it but I had to delete the files myself. This time, maybe because it wasn't running, Spybot didn't see it at all. What I have in mind now is a scheduled daily and on-startup batch file that looks for the executable and deletes it - or screams if it can't delete it because it's in use. But that wouldn't be as good as finding out how it gets in and blocking it there. Their website is proud of the keylogger's remote and silent installation method but it boils down to piggy-backing on another program's installation - and everyone here denies installing anything lately. Makes me wonder if this isn't a general random probe and may be a specific attack. But it's the unregistered version claiming to have 3 days for evaluation that shows up, and surely that's too stupid. Regards MikeTope ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? Mike, Don't always trust spyware detectors as being 100% correct in refferrring to software as unwanted/unneeded. I have radmin show up in spyware dtections quite a bit. It is a remote access program that I installed. (The potential for abuse is always present with a remote access host of any kind - this is something one needs to understand and prevent via security settings.) Some keyloggers are put there on purpose. They are monitors and may be because of some parental oversight program that keeps tabs on what your computer is being used for. Do you have any of those installed? I don't know anything about BlazingTools keylooger but am just advising that you should check into it before assuming the spyware scan is correct. I recommend disabling it via the spyware detectors' "quarantine" function or via "msconfig" and then deleting it when you're sure. Note that some programs can get around msconfig's methods of disabling (and some get around the spyware detector's methods too.) You should always rescan after restarting your system. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tope Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? List A couple of times lately I have discovered BlazingTools Perfect KeyLogger on our family pc. Windows 98; I have now disabled Internet Explorer (in ZoneAlarm) but it wasn't in common use before. Anyone know how the keylogger gets in there ? And how I can stop it ? Msconfig shows it up as c:\windows\system\bpk.exe in the startup tab. But we don't startup very often (for Windows98). That's a legacy of a duff power supply, that taught us not to switch it off in case we can't switch it on again. (The power supply has gone, but the habit remains.) So just because the keylogger files are dated two days ago doesn't necessarily mean it's running. If you go to their website (BlazingTools are quite open about it - http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html) you learn that it can run completely invisibly so I can't be sure whether it's been activated or not. I just ran Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and neither detected it. It's a problem because my wife won't do the shopping if she thinks her credit card number is being logged. Any hints anyone ? Mike Tope _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 1 17:26:33 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:26:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <002201c4f04f$8f85a6c0$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: <41D7BE49.11976.3C87260E@lexacorp.com.pg> On 1 Jan 2005 at 22:16, Mike Tope wrote: > Thanks John. > No "parental oversight" spyware has been deliberately installed here. We > keep the pc in the living room but after that it's just trust. > > I think Spybot recognised the keylogger the first time, and claimed to have > to have fixed it but I had to delete the files myself. This time, maybe > because it wasn't running, Spybot didn't see it at all. > > What I have in mind now is a scheduled daily and on-startup batch file that > looks for the executable and deletes it - or screams if it can't delete it > because it's in use. But that wouldn't be as good as finding out how it gets > in and blocking it there. > > Their website is proud of the keylogger's remote and silent installation > method but it boils down to piggy-backing on another program's > installation - and everyone here denies installing anything lately. Makes me > wonder if this isn't a general random probe and may be a specific attack. > But it's the unregistered version claiming to have 3 days for evaluation > that shows up, and surely that's too stupid. > What version of the program is it. If you look at the News panel on their website, the version number will give you a good indication of how old it is (and by inference, roughly when the trial version was installed). How old are your kids? What are the chances of one of them deliberately downloading and installing the keylogger (just to see what everyone else is doing on the PC )? -- Stuart From Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Jan 1 19:21:46 2005 From: Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:21:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? References: <41D7BE49.11976.3C87260E@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000e01c4f069$6e94e2e0$0207a8c0@bill> What version ? Right now it's gone. I read the list of files from McAfee et al and removed every bit I could find. Next time it turns up I can look for a version number. The files I removed were dated 30/12/2004 16:33 and I'm guessing that reflects the arrival date. Last time must have been about Christmas Eve. Kids are 10 and 7 and quite capable of such a deliberate ploy. But we have talked about it and they are as clueless as I am about it's origin. Regards Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? On 1 Jan 2005 at 22:16, Mike Tope wrote: > Thanks John. > No "parental oversight" spyware has been deliberately installed here. We > keep the pc in the living room but after that it's just trust. > > I think Spybot recognised the keylogger the first time, and claimed to have > to have fixed it but I had to delete the files myself. This time, maybe > because it wasn't running, Spybot didn't see it at all. > > What I have in mind now is a scheduled daily and on-startup batch file that > looks for the executable and deletes it - or screams if it can't delete it > because it's in use. But that wouldn't be as good as finding out how it gets > in and blocking it there. > > Their website is proud of the keylogger's remote and silent installation > method but it boils down to piggy-backing on another program's > installation - and everyone here denies installing anything lately. Makes me > wonder if this isn't a general random probe and may be a specific attack. > But it's the unregistered version claiming to have 3 days for evaluation > that shows up, and surely that's too stupid. > What version of the program is it. If you look at the News panel on their website, the version number will give you a good indication of how old it is (and by inference, roughly when the trial version was installed). How old are your kids? What are the chances of one of them deliberately downloading and installing the keylogger (just to see what everyone else is doing on the PC )? -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 19:23:42 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> References: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:50:29 -0000, Mike Tope wrote: > List > A couple of times lately I have discovered BlazingTools Perfect KeyLogger on > our family pc. > > Windows 98; I have now disabled Internet Explorer (in ZoneAlarm) but it > wasn't in common use before. Anyone know how the keylogger gets in there ? > And how I can stop it ? I'm not sure if BKL is spyware or not. I have it installed on my PC here at home, on purpose. You are lucky that you have found it, it can be installed in a very stealth mode. Different exe name, not it the task list, won't show up in msconfig or any other startup locations. > So just because the keylogger files are dated two days ago doesn't > necessarily mean it's running. If you go to their website (BlazingTools are > quite open about it - http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html) you learn that > it can run completely invisibly so I can't be sure whether it's been > activated or not. Press CTRL+ALT+L, I believe is the default combo and see if the makes something show up in the system tray, or at the very least a password dialog. > I just ran Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and neither detected it. Ad-Aware should detect it, it did on my system. Although, I told Ad-Aware to ignore it from further scans. If you open the Ignore List in AdAware, it may be listed there. > It's a problem because my wife won't do the shopping if she thinks her > credit card number is being logged. And that's a bad thing? :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 19:25:07 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:25:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: References: <009f01c4f022$0171b540$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:43:46 -0000, Jon Tydda wrote: > You should also be able to stop bpk.exe from contacting the internet as well > through zonealarm. I'm on the verge of remembering something else, but my > head is still a bit fuzzy from last night's party... I'll come back when > I've remembered :-) I have yet had my installed version to ask for access to the 'net. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 19:26:59 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:26:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <002201c4f04f$8f85a6c0$0207a8c0@bill> References: <200501011503699.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> <002201c4f04f$8f85a6c0$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:16:24 -0000, Mike Tope wrote: > Their website is proud of the keylogger's remote and silent installation > method but it boils down to piggy-backing on another program's > installation - and everyone here denies installing anything lately. Makes me > wonder if this isn't a general random probe and may be a specific attack. > But it's the unregistered version claiming to have 3 days for evaluation > that shows up, and surely that's too stupid. Sure sounds like someone in the house installed/ keeps installing it. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 19:30:30 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:30:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] keylogger ? In-Reply-To: <000e01c4f069$6e94e2e0$0207a8c0@bill> References: <41D7BE49.11976.3C87260E@lexacorp.com.pg> <000e01c4f069$6e94e2e0$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:21:46 -0000, Mike Tope wrote: > What version ? 1.6.2.0 is the version I have installed, and I installed it mid-December > Right now it's gone. I read the list of files from McAfee et al and removed > every bit I could find. Next time it turns up I can look for a version > number. The files I removed were dated 30/12/2004 16:33 and I'm guessing > that reflects the arrival date. Last time must have been about Christmas > Eve. Last log date, would be my guess. Mine are dated the install date and about 3 minutes ago. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 00:55:05 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:55:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Message-ID: <021201c4f097$fddb6b80$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Jan 2 04:22:42 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 04:22:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <021201c4f097$fddb6b80$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a lot of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you are creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. That's a disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. If you have the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your drive(s) into three main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, nothing really interferes with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs that you install will be on their own partition (though some files DO get installed to the OS parition whether you like it or not), and all your data is on it's own. That tends to make things nice and clean, and in doing so, the only partition that needs defragging is the Data drive, but you won't notice it until it gets really bad. I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music in it's own partition, games in another, etc. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Jan 2 05:39:03 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:39:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5696@stekelbes.ithelps.local> A slower machine (then should be) will most likely mean you got a trojan or a virus on your computer. Some while ago, I also experienced slowness and that was caused by the SNMP and SNMP WMI windows software (XP Pro only???). I found some article about it, but no solution but to remove this windows part. Have no idea why that caused it because I used it for 2 years without a problem, but it seem to conflict with some kind of update or software. The machine was much much slowe,, kind of your CPU runs all the time at 100%, but the weird thing was that it was not... It indeed looked like it was swapping all the time memory to the disk for every little thing I deed. It is in Windows management and Control software options. Posibly only for Windows XP Pro. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a lot of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you are creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. That's a disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. If you have the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your drive(s) into three main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, nothing really interferes with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs that you install will be on their own partition (though some files DO get installed to the OS parition whether you like it or not), and all your data is on it's own. That tends to make things nice and clean, and in doing so, the only partition that needs defragging is the Data drive, but you won't notice it until it gets really bad. I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music in it's own partition, games in another, etc. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Jan 2 05:44:37 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5697@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Ah yes, also you virusscanner could be set to ALL fiels read and write. I know McAfee has changed their default setting from "some extensions" to all files both read and write. I prefer to set to "Some extensions" and write only, in addition to that scan the whole computer once a week for all files. Indexing service should not slow down your computer, it only scans while you are inactive. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 10:46:51 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:46:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: Message-ID: <004901c4f0ea$a8e30400$6401a8c0@HAL9002> How do you turn off indexing? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:22 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a > lot > of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you are > creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. That's a > disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. If you > have > the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your drive(s) into > three > main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, nothing really interferes > with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs that you install will be on > their own partition (though some files DO get installed to the OS parition > whether you like it or not), and all your data is on it's own. That tends > to make things nice and clean, and in doing so, the only partition that > needs defragging is the Data drive, but you won't notice it until it gets > really bad. > > I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music in > it's own partition, games in another, etc. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall > vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend > to > bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or > something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon > processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of > disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup > when > changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 10:48:35 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:48:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5696@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <004e01c4f0ea$e6a6ef90$6401a8c0@HAL9002> I'll run Adaware and Spybot - see what they turn up. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > > A slower machine (then should be) will most likely mean you got a > trojan or a virus on your computer. > > Some while ago, I also experienced slowness and that was caused by the > SNMP and SNMP WMI windows software (XP Pro only???). I found some > article about it, but no solution but to remove this windows part. > Have no idea why that caused it because I used it for 2 years without a > problem, but it seem to conflict with some kind of update or software. > The machine was much much slowe,, kind of your CPU runs all the time at > 100%, but the weird thing was that it was not... > It indeed looked like it was swapping all the time memory to the disk > for every little thing I deed. > It is in Windows management and Control software options. Posibly only > for Windows XP Pro. > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:23 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a > lot of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you > are creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. > That's a disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. > If you have the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your > drive(s) into three main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, > nothing really interferes with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs > that you install will be on their own partition (though some files DO > get installed to the OS parition whether you like it or not), and all > your data is on it's own. That tends to make things nice and clean, and > in doing so, the only partition that needs defragging is the Data drive, > but you won't notice it until it gets really bad. > > I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music > in it's own partition, games in another, etc. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or > audit trailing, or something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing > a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow > startup when changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 2 13:02:12 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:02:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <021201c4f097$fddb6b80$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000201c4f0fd$93f36310$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. Laptops come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&depa=0 Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form factor is important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to your laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal with the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the ghost operation), dead simple to do. After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 My laptop now performs like it should. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 13:14:57 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:14:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: <000201c4f0fd$93f36310$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <00b501c4f0ff$599dd860$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory would be effective? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > Laptops > come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&depa=0 > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form factor > is > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to > your > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal with > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the ghost > operation), dead simple to do. > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall > vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend > to > bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or > something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon > processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of > disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup > when > changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Jan 2 14:54:45 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:54:45 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <004901c4f0ea$a8e30400$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Go to computer management. (Right Click on 'My Computer' and click Management. The last node in that list will have Services. In the list of services, you'll find the 'Indexing Service'. Go into that services properties and disable it. If you don't see any changes in performance, re-enable it. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster How do you turn off indexing? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:22 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a > lot > of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you are > creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. That's a > disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. If you > have > the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your drive(s) into > three > main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, nothing really interferes > with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs that you install will be on > their own partition (though some files DO get installed to the OS parition > whether you like it or not), and all your data is on it's own. That tends > to make things nice and clean, and in doing so, the only partition that > needs defragging is the Data drive, but you won't notice it until it gets > really bad. > > I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music in > it's own partition, games in another, etc. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall > vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend > to > bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or > something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon > processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of > disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup > when > changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 15:03:22 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:03:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: Message-ID: <014501c4f10e$7e81f9e0$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Go it. Thanks. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > Go to computer management. (Right Click on 'My Computer' and click > Management. The last node in that list will have Services. In the list > of > services, you'll find the 'Indexing Service'. Go into that services > properties and disable it. If you don't see any changes in performance, > re-enable it. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:47 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > How do you turn off indexing? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:22 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > >> Turn of indexing. Also, defrag your drive once in a while. There are a >> lot >> of opinions on how often you should defrag your drive, but if you are >> creating and deleting files a lot, things can get kind of messy. That's >> a >> disadvantage of a laptop, because you are using one hard drive. If you >> have >> the time, I strongly recommend ALWAYS partitioning your drive(s) into >> three >> main partitions. OS, Programs, Data. That way, nothing really >> interferes >> with the OS, on it's own partition. Programs that you install will be on >> their own partition (though some files DO get installed to the OS >> parition >> whether you like it or not), and all your data is on it's own. That >> tends >> to make things nice and clean, and in doing so, the only partition that >> needs defragging is the Data drive, but you won't notice it until it gets >> really bad. >> >> I personally partition more then that on my home machines. I put music >> in >> it's own partition, games in another, etc. >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> - Beach Access Software >> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster >> >> >> Dear tech: >> >> My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I >> recall >> vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend >> to >> bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, >> or >> something. >> >> Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit >> Athlon >> processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot >> of >> disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup >> when >> changing user accounts. >> >> Any tips appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> http://www.e-z-mrp.com >> 858-259-4334 >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 2 15:09:54 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:09:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Message-ID: Hey, Drew is back from the Christmas pudding! /gustav >>> dbatech at wolfwares.com 02-01-2005 21:54:45 >>> > Drew From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Jan 2 15:27:02 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:27:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Didn't have any Christmas pudding! Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:10 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Hey, Drew is back from the Christmas pudding! /gustav >>> dbatech at wolfwares.com 02-01-2005 21:54:45 >>> > Drew _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 2 15:47:55 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:47:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <00b501c4f0ff$599dd860$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000301c4f114$bbd40210$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing my hard disk made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory minimized swapping. Taken together they made a significant and noticeable difference. In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. They were used to minimize operating current, but the new 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't use that much more current now. As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, especially if the video is taking some. And WinXP is a memory hog too. I was really unhappy with my laptop performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an equivalent desktop machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory would be effective? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > Laptops > come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d > epa=0 > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form > factor > is > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to > your > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal with > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the ghost > operation), dead simple to do. > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or > audit trailing, or something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be > doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. > Also slow startup when changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 2 15:57:35 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:57:35 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive Message-ID: My dad and I were putting his new pc together earlier, and having persuaded him to get a Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA hard drive, cos they're ultra reliable and really fast, we've found that we can't make it work... I've got the red SATA cable, and that's plugged in ok, but what else do I have to do? BIOS can't see the drive, it doesn't feel like it's moving, and although the pc will boot off the WinXP cd, it can't find anywhere to install it... The back of the drive has a smallish pci type connector that looks like it should plug into something, but that the the SATA socket are the only places to plug things into, and there's nothing to plug into this... There are no other cables, there's nowhere to plug a power cable in (that's obvious as a power supply), what have we missed? I'm completely at a loss here, and I don't like that :-) Jon From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 2 16:11:47 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:11:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050102221125.ZDXN2073.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> You have to give the drive some power. If the power supply doesn't have SATA power cables, you will need to get a SATA to 4 pin converter cable. Check out this link http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=12-104-652&depa=0 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:58 PM To: Dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive My dad and I were putting his new pc together earlier, and having persuaded him to get a Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA hard drive, cos they're ultra reliable and really fast, we've found that we can't make it work... I've got the red SATA cable, and that's plugged in ok, but what else do I have to do? BIOS can't see the drive, it doesn't feel like it's moving, and although the pc will boot off the WinXP cd, it can't find anywhere to install it... The back of the drive has a smallish pci type connector that looks like it should plug into something, but that the the SATA socket are the only places to plug things into, and there's nothing to plug into this... There are no other cables, there's nowhere to plug a power cable in (that's obvious as a power supply), what have we missed? I'm completely at a loss here, and I don't like that :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 2 17:38:21 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:38:21 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive In-Reply-To: <20050102221125.ZDXN2073.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: Ah, I've seen those, but didn't know what they were for... might have been an idea if they'd given us that cable with the motherboard though... Thanks James Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: 02 January 2005 22:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive You have to give the drive some power. If the power supply doesn't have SATA power cables, you will need to get a SATA to 4 pin converter cable. Check out this link http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=12-104-652&depa=0 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:58 PM To: Dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive My dad and I were putting his new pc together earlier, and having persuaded him to get a Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA hard drive, cos they're ultra reliable and really fast, we've found that we can't make it work... I've got the red SATA cable, and that's plugged in ok, but what else do I have to do? BIOS can't see the drive, it doesn't feel like it's moving, and although the pc will boot off the WinXP cd, it can't find anywhere to install it... The back of the drive has a smallish pci type connector that looks like it should plug into something, but that the the SATA socket are the only places to plug things into, and there's nothing to plug into this... There are no other cables, there's nowhere to plug a power cable in (that's obvious as a power supply), what have we missed? I'm completely at a loss here, and I don't like that :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jan 2 21:59:24 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:59:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <25887572.1104649035961.JavaMail.root@sniper13.securence.com> Message-ID: <000401c4f148$9d694e00$de1811d8@danwaters> Rocky, I've been trying to do some screen video capture with MS Windows Media Viewer Encoder (free!). This was so slow that it was going to be unusable. I came across a tip to turn off all hardware acceleration, and that did the trick. Go to screen properties, select Settings - Advanced - Troubleshoot. Push the slider to the left side. Mine was set to full acceleration. I haven't seen any adverse affects from doing this, so I'll keep it at this setting. This may only be helpful for problems with the screen display, but it's a cheap fix! HTH, Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 2 22:33:57 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:33:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: <000401c4f148$9d694e00$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <020c01c4f14d$70adca30$6401a8c0@HAL9002> I'll give it a try. What's Media Viewer Encoder? Martin just turned me on to the Windows Movie Maker hidden in the accessories. I was having a devil of a time getting the stuff in my DVD Camcorder into the computer. It really works well. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > Rocky, > > I've been trying to do some screen video capture with MS Windows Media > Viewer Encoder (free!). This was so slow that it was going to be > unusable. > I came across a tip to turn off all hardware acceleration, and that did > the > trick. Go to screen properties, select Settings - Advanced - > Troubleshoot. > Push the slider to the left side. Mine was set to full acceleration. I > haven't seen any adverse affects from doing this, so I'll keep it at this > setting. > > This may only be helpful for problems with the screen display, but it's a > cheap fix! > > HTH, > Dan Waters > ProMation Systems > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall > vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend > to > bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or > something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon > processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of > disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup > when > changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 2 23:42:47 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:42:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103054241.ZYHJ2402.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Jon, Some of the newer power supplies do have SATA power cables. Western Digital SATA drives have both styles of power receptacles built into the drive or at least the 37 gig Raptors do. That's the only SATA drive that I've worked with. I've ordered parts for a new system with 4 of the 74 gig Raptors and hope that they have 4 pin connectors. While on the subject has anyone had experience with the MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum board and 4 gb of ram? I was reading that the board would not give you the full 4 gigs due to chipset design and wondered how much of the ram would be usable. I had also read that systems with 4 gigs or ram might not be stable. Any comments appreciated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive Ah, I've seen those, but didn't know what they were for... might have been an idea if they'd given us that cable with the motherboard though... Thanks James Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: 02 January 2005 22:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive You have to give the drive some power. If the power supply doesn't have SATA power cables, you will need to get a SATA to 4 pin converter cable. Check out this link http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=12-104-652&depa=0 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:58 PM To: Dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive My dad and I were putting his new pc together earlier, and having persuaded him to get a Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA hard drive, cos they're ultra reliable and really fast, we've found that we can't make it work... I've got the red SATA cable, and that's plugged in ok, but what else do I have to do? BIOS can't see the drive, it doesn't feel like it's moving, and although the pc will boot off the WinXP cd, it can't find anywhere to install it... The back of the drive has a smallish pci type connector that looks like it should plug into something, but that the the SATA socket are the only places to plug things into, and there's nothing to plug into this... There are no other cables, there's nowhere to plug a power cable in (that's obvious as a power supply), what have we missed? I'm completely at a loss here, and I don't like that :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Jan 3 02:25:57 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:25:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56A0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well I can guarantee you also that change to a 7200 speed thing nicely up. 512MB RAM should be sufficiant, but greatly depends on the number of apps at the same time. I notice that when I start photoediting some 8M pixel photos, I'm diskswapping alot. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing my hard disk made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory minimized swapping. Taken together they made a significant and noticeable difference. In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. They were used to minimize operating current, but the new 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't use that much more current now. As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, especially if the video is taking some. And WinXP is a memory hog too. I was really unhappy with my laptop performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an equivalent desktop machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory would be effective? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > Laptops > come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d > epa=0 > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form > factor > is > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to > your > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal with > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the ghost > operation), dead simple to do. > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or > audit trailing, or something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be > doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. > Also slow startup when changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jan 3 05:58:22 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:58:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive In-Reply-To: <20050103054241.ZYHJ2402.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: <000201c4f18b$8aa27fb0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Jim, In case you haven't found it: http://msihq.designlab.info/board.php?boardid=28 This is the MSI forum for their 64 bit boards. I think that the board will work with 4gb, it just needs specific memory dimms. I do not have that board however; I have the Neo platinum which is the 754 pin version. BTW, the memory controller is now in the Athlon64 chip itself which removes the problem from the northbridge (in fact the northbridge disappears entirely). There are still potential issues of wire routing on the board but these are usually handled pretty well and don't cause problems. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive Jon, Some of the newer power supplies do have SATA power cables. Western Digital SATA drives have both styles of power receptacles built into the drive or at least the 37 gig Raptors do. That's the only SATA drive that I've worked with. I've ordered parts for a new system with 4 of the 74 gig Raptors and hope that they have 4 pin connectors. While on the subject has anyone had experience with the MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum board and 4 gb of ram? I was reading that the board would not give you the full 4 gigs due to chipset design and wondered how much of the ram would be usable. I had also read that systems with 4 gigs or ram might not be stable. Any comments appreciated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive Ah, I've seen those, but didn't know what they were for... might have been an idea if they'd given us that cable with the motherboard though... Thanks James Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: 02 January 2005 22:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SATA drive You have to give the drive some power. If the power supply doesn't have SATA power cables, you will need to get a SATA to 4 pin converter cable. Check out this link http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=12-104-652&depa=0 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:58 PM To: Dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SATA drive My dad and I were putting his new pc together earlier, and having persuaded him to get a Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA hard drive, cos they're ultra reliable and really fast, we've found that we can't make it work... I've got the red SATA cable, and that's plugged in ok, but what else do I have to do? BIOS can't see the drive, it doesn't feel like it's moving, and although the pc will boot off the WinXP cd, it can't find anywhere to install it... The back of the drive has a smallish pci type connector that looks like it should plug into something, but that the the SATA socket are the only places to plug things into, and there's nothing to plug into this... There are no other cables, there's nowhere to plug a power cable in (that's obvious as a power supply), what have we missed? I'm completely at a loss here, and I don't like that :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 07:30:23 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:30:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: <41B315F6.2668.117A620@localhost> References: <41B315F6.2668.117A620@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:06:46 -0500, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I have just about had it with Zone Alarm. It somehow managed to block > ALL my 'net access, including my VPN for work with the latest > upgrade. It took a complete uninstall to get access back. > > Can we say, not a happy camper. > > I've tried Sygate, which wouldn't let me send large e-mails (anything > over about 2 sentences). Not acceptable, and I can't figure out how > to let them out. > > I've just finished trying Kerio Personal Firewall. Not happy with it > either. Too many things that it tries to block. > > Windows Firewall is not an option, since I don't trust MS to get it > right. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a personal firewall, or > should I just dig through my downloaded files directory and use the > previous version of ZA, which I'e been extremely happy with up until > now. I promised an update, and now that I finally have the time to write it, here it is. I tried most of the suggestion that I got, but none of the s/w firewalls worked the way I liked. Some allowed me to control too much, some not enough. I guess I've just gotten used to the way ZA works. So what I ended up doing was uninstalling the various firewalls, including ZA, (no I didn't have multiple firewalls running or installed at the same time) that I had tried, then going into the registry and scrubbing it of all the keys that were left over. Once that was done, I reinstalled ZA and it worked like a charm. So something in the registry was messing up my 'net access when I originally installed ZA. At least I now have a whole lot of choices the next time ZA pisses me off :-) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 07:53:57 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:06:46 -0500, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I have just about had it with Zone Alarm. It somehow managed to block > ALL my 'net access, including my VPN for work with the latest > upgrade. It took a complete uninstall to get access back. > > Can we say, not a happy camper. > > I've tried Sygate, which wouldn't let me send large e-mails (anything > over about 2 sentences). Not acceptable, and I can't figure out how > to let them out. > > I've just finished trying Kerio Personal Firewall. Not happy with it > either. Too many things that it tries to block. > > Windows Firewall is not an option, since I don't trust MS to get it > right. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a personal firewall, or > should I just dig through my downloaded files directory and use the > previous version of ZA, which I'e been extremely happy with up until > now. I promised an update, and now that I finally have the time to write it, here it is. I tried most of the suggestion that I got, but none of the s/w firewalls worked the way I liked. Some allowed me to control too much, some not enough. I guess I've just gotten used to the way ZA works. So what I ended up doing was uninstalling the various firewalls, including ZA, (no I didn't have multiple firewalls running or installed at the same time) that I had tried, then going into the registry and scrubbing it of all the keys that were left over. Once that was done, I reinstalled ZA and it worked like a charm. So something in the registry was messing up my 'net access when I originally installed ZA. At least I now have a whole lot of choices the next time ZA pisses me off :-) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Jan 3 08:12:20 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:12:20 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yeah, same here :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: 03 January 2005 13:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:06:46 -0500, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I have just about had it with Zone Alarm. It somehow managed to block > ALL my 'net access, including my VPN for work with the latest > upgrade. It took a complete uninstall to get access back. > > Can we say, not a happy camper. > > I've tried Sygate, which wouldn't let me send large e-mails (anything > over about 2 sentences). Not acceptable, and I can't figure out how > to let them out. > > I've just finished trying Kerio Personal Firewall. Not happy with it > either. Too many things that it tries to block. > > Windows Firewall is not an option, since I don't trust MS to get it > right. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a personal firewall, or > should I just dig through my downloaded files directory and use the > previous version of ZA, which I'e been extremely happy with up until > now. I promised an update, and now that I finally have the time to write it, here it is. I tried most of the suggestion that I got, but none of the s/w firewalls worked the way I liked. Some allowed me to control too much, some not enough. I guess I've just gotten used to the way ZA works. So what I ended up doing was uninstalling the various firewalls, including ZA, (no I didn't have multiple firewalls running or installed at the same time) that I had tried, then going into the registry and scrubbing it of all the keys that were left over. Once that was done, I reinstalled ZA and it worked like a charm. So something in the registry was messing up my 'net access when I originally installed ZA. At least I now have a whole lot of choices the next time ZA pisses me off :-) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jan 3 08:12:00 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:12:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56A0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't anymore. I haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just sucks up memory. As an example right now I have open WinXP, Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. Of course I have Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work unit (100mb), Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but can't seem to get rid of). I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task manager shows 1.3 g total ram with 700g free. That means that 600g is being used. For what? All of the applications I mention only total about 300mb. I can only assume that Windows is really huge and lots of pieces of it are being pulled in. I found my system was always swapping to disk, which of course with the 4200 rpm disk is just horribly slow. Just expanding to a gig or more of ram pretty much stops the swapping, but with the 4200 rpm disk load times were interminably slow. It would take 4 minutes to just load everything. Now with the 7200 rpm disk everything loads in about 1 minute 30 seconds or so. The same difference applies as I open access, open Visual Studio etc. I spent a lot of money (to me) on a modern laptop with a powerful processor etc. To not upgrade the hard disk and ram jut didn't make sense. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Well I can guarantee you also that change to a 7200 speed thing nicely up. 512MB RAM should be sufficiant, but greatly depends on the number of apps at the same time. I notice that when I start photoediting some 8M pixel photos, I'm diskswapping alot. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing my hard disk made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory minimized swapping. Taken together they made a significant and noticeable difference. In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. They were used to minimize operating current, but the new 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't use that much more current now. As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, especially if the video is taking some. And WinXP is a memory hog too. I was really unhappy with my laptop performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an equivalent desktop machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory would be effective? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > Laptops come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d > epa=0 > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form > factor > is > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to > your > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal with > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the ghost > operation), dead simple to do. > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or > audit trailing, or something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be > doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. > Also slow startup when changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 08:20:32 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:20:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the thought that > my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been thinking. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 08:27:58 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:27:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56A0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:12:00 -0500, John W. Colby wrote: > 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't anymore. I > haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just sucks up memory. As an > example right now I have open WinXP, Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. > Of course I have Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). > Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work unit (100mb), > Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but can't seem to get rid of). I don't know about that John. Maybe it's the 64bit chip. I've got an Athlon 1.4 GHz with 256MB RAM and it's fine with XPP SP2. I usually have Firefox with 10 tabs or so, Pegasus Mail, iTunes or WinAmp playing MP3s, MSN Messenger, Zone Alarm, eTrust AV, a keylogger, Apache, MySQL all running at the same time. The only time that I have found that I want/need more memory is when I was trying to create/edit a video made from stills.But even then, performace was acceptable. Maybe it's because this is a desktop PC and not a laptop, but for me 256 is enough. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 08:38:41 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: Bryan, How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post the components. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the thought that > my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been thinking. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 08:58:17 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:58:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & audio > codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a fresh > install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually buy a new > hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old drives...just in case;) I > upgrade my video card about every 18 months, my CPU about every 18-24 > months, and am averaging a new complete system about every 4 years. I just > finished assembling my newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out > of town for most of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I > must admit that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely > worthy of boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I start thinking about re & re every 12 months or so. I usually get around to it every 18 months or so. I usually just backup my data and format and start over. The hardware very rarely changes. I've got a USB 2.0 add-in card that I've have sitting around since this summer that I haven't installed yet. So that should tell you how much time I've got for working on my PC :( > I'll post the components. I'd love to see what I wont't be getting anytime soon :-) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Jan 3 09:50:06 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:50:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <007001c4f1ab$e5792540$6401a8c0@HAL9002> When I look at the processes running in the task manager I see a LOT of stuff running that doesn't show in the applications tab. Perhaps that's where a lot of the RAM is going. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't anymore. I > haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just sucks up memory. As an > example right now I have open WinXP, Outlook and Firefox with a single > tab. > Of course I have Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my > laptop). > Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work unit (100mb), > Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but can't seem to get rid of). > > I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task manager shows 1.3 g > total ram with 700g free. That means that 600g is being used. For what? > All of the applications I mention only total about 300mb. I can only > assume > that Windows is really huge and lots of pieces of it are being pulled in. > > I found my system was always swapping to disk, which of course with the > 4200 rpm disk is just horribly slow. Just expanding to a gig or more of > ram > pretty much stops the swapping, but with the 4200 rpm disk load times were > interminably slow. It would take 4 minutes to just load everything. Now > with the 7200 rpm disk everything loads in about 1 minute 30 seconds or > so. > The same difference applies as I open access, open Visual Studio etc. > > I spent a lot of money (to me) on a modern laptop with a powerful > processor > etc. To not upgrade the hard disk and ram jut didn't make sense. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - > IT > Helps > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Well I can guarantee you also that change to a 7200 speed thing nicely up. > 512MB RAM should be sufficiant, but greatly depends on the number of apps > at > the same time. > > I notice that when I start photoediting some 8M pixel photos, I'm > diskswapping alot. > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:48 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing my hard disk > made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory minimized swapping. > Taken > together they made a significant and noticeable difference. > > In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. They were > used > to minimize operating current, but the new 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't > use that much more current now. > > As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, especially if the > video is taking some. And WinXP is a memory hog too. I was really > unhappy > with my laptop performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping > that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an equivalent > desktop machine. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) > > But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory would be > effective? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > >> First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. >> Laptops come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. >> >> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d >> epa=0 >> >> Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form >> factor >> is >> important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the new drive to > >> your >> laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal > with >> the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the > ghost >> operation), dead simple to do. >> >> After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: >> >> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 >> >> My laptop now performs like it should. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >> http://folding.stanford.edu/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster >> >> >> Dear tech: >> >> My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I >> recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows > >> that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or >> audit trailing, or something. >> >> Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit >> Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be >> doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. >> Also slow startup when changing user accounts. >> >> Any tips appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> http://www.e-z-mrp.com >> 858-259-4334 >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 10:32:59 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:32:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Newest Rig - Was: Software Firewalls Message-ID: This was a combination birthday/Christmas present to myself. I'll leave the actual prices out, but suffice to say that I shopped around extensively and did not pay top dollar for these components. Total price before shipping was around $2800...a little more than what I paid for my 486DX/66 back in the day;) The only component I am having reservations about is the power supply. I chose this brand because of their unique approach to cable management. Each cable is connectorized and sheathed...so you install only the cables you actually need and they take up a minimum of space. But this months MaximumPC review gave it a 3/10 due to power fluctuations and not delivering the rated power:( I'll have to wait and see if the performance is noticeable to me on a day-to-day basis. Mark CASE: SILVERSTONE TEMJIN SERIES Silver ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "SST-TJ05-ST" MOTHERBOARD: Asus A8V Deluxe SC939 VIA K8T800Pro Chipset AMD Athlon 64FX Audio SATA-RAID Gigabit LAN Firewire CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 2.6GHz 1mb cache 939pin Retail Box w/heatsink & Cooling Fan VIDEO CARD: nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB GDDR3, 256-bit, TV-Out/Dual DVI, 8X AGP RAM: CORSAIR XMS, Xtra-Low Latency 2-2-2-5, 184-Pin 2GB(512MBx4) DDR PC-3200, Model TWINX1024-3200XLPRO SOUND CARD: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350" HARD DRIVE: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD HARD DRIVE: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA POWER SUPPLY: X-Connect 500W ATX PS w/2 80mm Fans From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 10:35:30 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:35:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a complete re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 XP). so far I have no complaints. some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still running 1.1 On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Bryan, > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & audio > codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a fresh > install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually buy a new > hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old drives...just in case;) I > upgrade my video card about every 18 months, my CPU about every 18-24 > months, and am averaging a new complete system about every 4 years. I just > finished assembling my newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out > of town for most of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I > must admit that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely > worthy of boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, > I'll post the components. > > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > wrote: > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the thought that > > my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > thinking. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From djkr at msn.com Mon Jan 3 11:36:03 2005 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:36:03 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Hi John I'd be trying to find out what's using up so much of your RAM. I'm running very similar stuff here, and using less than 400MB. I'm aware that some applications are more RAM-hungry than you might expect, which you can demonstrate by observing task manager info when closing the app, to see how much gets released. Is your Folding at Home 100MB work-unit all in RAM? If so, that would account for some. To set against that, I'm running SETI, 3 x IE6, MSDE, 2 x Excel + VB, Sophos AV, etc. MS Map Point can consume most of 100MB, and of course photo editing is hungry. Try closing things down one at a time, and see what task manager says. Same on start-up. You may just have one greedy app. John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: 03 January 2005 14:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't > anymore. I haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just > sucks up memory. As an example right now I have open WinXP, > Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. Of course I have > Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). > Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work > unit (100mb), Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but > can't seem to get rid of). > > I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task > manager shows 1.3 g total ram with 700g free. That means > that 600g is being used. For what? All of the applications I > mention only total about 300mb. I can only assume that > Windows is really huge and lots of pieces of it are being pulled in. > > I found my system was always swapping to disk, which of > course with the 4200 rpm disk is just horribly slow. Just > expanding to a gig or more of ram pretty much stops the > swapping, but with the 4200 rpm disk load times were > interminably slow. It would take 4 minutes to just load > everything. Now with the 7200 rpm disk everything loads in > about 1 minute 30 seconds or so. The same difference applies > as I open access, open Visual Studio etc. > > I spent a lot of money (to me) on a modern laptop with a > powerful processor etc. To not upgrade the hard disk and ram > jut didn't make sense. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Erwin Craps - IT Helps > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Well I can guarantee you also that change to a 7200 speed > thing nicely up. 512MB RAM should be sufficiant, but greatly > depends on the number of apps at the same time. > > I notice that when I start photoediting some 8M pixel photos, > I'm diskswapping alot. > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:48 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing > my hard disk made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory > minimized swapping. Taken together they made a significant > and noticeable difference. > > In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. > They were used to minimize operating current, but the new > 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't use that much more current now. > > As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, > especially if the video is taking some. And WinXP is a > memory hog too. I was really unhappy with my laptop > performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping > that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an > equivalent desktop machine. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) > > But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory > would be effective? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > > Laptops come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d > > epa=0 > > > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form > > factor is > > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the > new drive to > > > your > > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal > with > > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the > ghost > > operation), dead simple to do. > > > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > > > > Dear tech: > > > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of > in windows > > > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or > indexing, or > > audit trailing, or something. > > > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be > > doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. > > Also slow startup when changing user accounts. > > > > Any tips appreciated. > > > > Best, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 3 12:02:30 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:02:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <021201c4f097$fddb6b80$6401a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200501031202324.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> Hi Rocky, Besides all the good suggestions previously posted you might turn off some of the glitz in the XP interface (you can try it and turn it back on if it doesn't help). Control Panel System Advanced Performance | Settings Adjust for Best performance | apply You can turn individual items back on if you wish - I generally turn on: "Smooth edges on screen fonts" "Use drop shadows for icons on the desktop" John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Dear tech: My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or something. Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup when changing user accounts. Any tips appreciated. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com 858-259-4334 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 3 12:02:30 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:02:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501031203902.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> Francisco, Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They really put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are only $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. XP pro ASUS K8 MainBoard Athlon64 3200 CPU 450 Watt PS 512MB RAM 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video CD/DVD read/write 3.5" diskette drive 10/100MB Ethernet 2/4 USB ports 1 Firewire port 17" Samsung 793 monitor Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need 'em. The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting them it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a complete re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 XP). so far I have no complaints. some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still running 1.1 On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Bryan, > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post the components. > > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > wrote: > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > thinking. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 12:16:36 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:16:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Invite : x-posted Message-ID: Four more Gmail invites are available to the first responders. This is cross-posted to 3 dba lists. As always, my apologies if your reply does not make it to my Inbox in a timely fashion due to internet traffic. Mark From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 3 12:24:55 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:24:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: <20050103182455.LVIY1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the market or SATA2 tests yet. > > From: "John Bartow" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > Francisco, > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They really > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are only > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > XP pro > ASUS K8 MainBoard > Athlon64 3200 CPU > 450 Watt PS > 512MB RAM > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > CD/DVD read/write > 3.5" diskette drive > 10/100MB Ethernet > 2/4 USB ports > 1 Firewire port > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need 'em. > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting them > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a complete > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 XP). > so far I have no complaints. > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > running 1.1 > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > wrote: > > Bryan, > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post > the components. > > > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > wrote: > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > thinking. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 12:38:46 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:38:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. a possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave setup. But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor (16MB cache). Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the market or SATA2 tests yet. > > From: "John Bartow" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > Francisco, > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They really > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are only > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > XP pro > ASUS K8 MainBoard > Athlon64 3200 CPU > 450 Watt PS > 512MB RAM > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > CD/DVD read/write > 3.5" diskette drive > 10/100MB Ethernet > 2/4 USB ports > 1 Firewire port > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need 'em. > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting them > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a complete > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 XP). > so far I have no complaints. > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > running 1.1 > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > wrote: > > Bryan, > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post > the components. > > > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > wrote: > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > thinking. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Jan 3 12:54:26 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:54:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A8A817@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BBCBB@ADGSERVER> Also know that some programs will use more RAM if more is available. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:36 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster Hi John I'd be trying to find out what's using up so much of your RAM. I'm running very similar stuff here, and using less than 400MB. I'm aware that some applications are more RAM-hungry than you might expect, which you can demonstrate by observing task manager info when closing the app, to see how much gets released. Is your Folding at Home 100MB work-unit all in RAM? If so, that would account for some. To set against that, I'm running SETI, 3 x IE6, MSDE, 2 x Excel + VB, Sophos AV, etc. MS Map Point can consume most of 100MB, and of course photo editing is hungry. Try closing things down one at a time, and see what task manager says. Same on start-up. You may just have one greedy app. John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: 03 January 2005 14:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't > anymore. I haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just > sucks up memory. As an example right now I have open WinXP, > Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. Of course I have > Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). > Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work > unit (100mb), Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but > can't seem to get rid of). > > I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task > manager shows 1.3 g total ram with 700g free. That means > that 600g is being used. For what? All of the applications I > mention only total about 300mb. I can only assume that > Windows is really huge and lots of pieces of it are being pulled in. > > I found my system was always swapping to disk, which of > course with the 4200 rpm disk is just horribly slow. Just > expanding to a gig or more of ram pretty much stops the > swapping, but with the 4200 rpm disk load times were > interminably slow. It would take 4 minutes to just load > everything. Now with the 7200 rpm disk everything loads in > about 1 minute 30 seconds or so. The same difference applies > as I open access, open Visual Studio etc. > > I spent a lot of money (to me) on a modern laptop with a > powerful processor etc. To not upgrade the hard disk and ram > jut didn't make sense. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Erwin Craps - IT Helps > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Well I can guarantee you also that change to a 7200 speed > thing nicely up. 512MB RAM should be sufficiant, but greatly > depends on the number of apps at the same time. > > I notice that when I start photoediting some 8M pixel photos, > I'm diskswapping alot. > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:48 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Lol. You really must believe me, I've been there. Replacing > my hard disk made the whole thing feel faster. Adding memory > minimized swapping. Taken together they made a significant > and noticeable difference. > > In a few years the 4200 rpm drives will not be used anymore. > They were used to minimize operating current, but the new > 5400 and 7200 rpm drives don't use that much more current now. > > As for the memory, 500mb is not really all that much, > especially if the video is taking some. And WinXP is a > memory hog too. I was really unhappy with my laptop > performance (after the first few months ;~), and swapping > that hardware made it a real machine, every bit as fast as an > equivalent desktop machine. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:15 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > Ack! Hardware! Maybe I'm not in as much of a hurry as I thought. :) > > But thanks for the lead. I wonder if doubling the memory > would be effective? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > > First thing to do is go get a 7200 rpm drive. I am serious Rocky. > > Laptops come with 4200 rpm drives and they suck for access speeds. > > > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-146-020&d > > epa=0 > > > > Get a usb port connected shell that holds the hard drive (the form > > factor is > > important here, laptop hds are smaller). Then attach the > new drive to > > > your > > laptop. Ghost the contents out to the new drive. Swap the internal > with > > the new one. It took me about 1 hour (plus the transfer time of the > ghost > > operation), dead simple to do. > > > > After that get a 1gb dim. I bought this one for my EMachines: > > > > http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4158153 > > > > My laptop now performs like it should. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:55 AM > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > > > > > Dear tech: > > > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I > > recall vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of > in windows > > > that tend to bog things down. Some kind of logging, or > indexing, or > > audit trailing, or something. > > > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit > > Athlon processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be > > doing a lot of disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. > > Also slow startup when changing user accounts. > > > > Any tips appreciated. > > > > Best, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 3 13:09:15 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:09:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: <20050103190915.MXNF1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Is the Maxtor 10,000 RPM and have 16m cache? > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:38:46 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current > SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. a > possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave > setup. > > But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved > to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see > the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor > (16MB cache). > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really > give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 > RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. > SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the > market or SATA2 tests yet. > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > Francisco, > > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy > > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They > really > > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives > > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are > only > > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > > > XP pro > > ASUS K8 MainBoard > > Athlon64 3200 CPU > > 450 Watt PS > > 512MB RAM > > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > > CD/DVD read/write > > 3.5" diskette drive > > 10/100MB Ethernet > > 2/4 USB ports > > 1 Firewire port > > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power > > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In > > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need > 'em. > > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting > them > > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a > complete > > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP > > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 > XP). > > so far I have no complaints. > > > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > > running 1.1 > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > wrote: > > > Bryan, > > > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post > > the components. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > > thinking. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 13:21:12 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:21:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: No...72K. :( :( :( :( ...but it makes you wonder why Western Digital doesn't bump up their cache...because I'm just guessing that it would be easier for Western Digital to add more RAM to their existing cache (8MB) than it would be for Maxtor to increase their drive speed from 72K to 10K. Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Is the Maxtor 10,000 RPM and have 16m cache? > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:38:46 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current > SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. a > possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave > setup. > > But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved > to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see > the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor > (16MB cache). > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really > give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 > RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. > SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the > market or SATA2 tests yet. > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > Francisco, > > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy > > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They > really > > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives > > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are > only > > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > > > XP pro > > ASUS K8 MainBoard > > Athlon64 3200 CPU > > 450 Watt PS > > 512MB RAM > > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > > CD/DVD read/write > > 3.5" diskette drive > > 10/100MB Ethernet > > 2/4 USB ports > > 1 Firewire port > > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power > > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In > > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need > 'em. > > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting > them > > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a > complete > > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP > > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 > XP). > > so far I have no complaints. > > > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > > running 1.1 > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > wrote: > > > Bryan, > > > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post > > the components. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > > thinking. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 3 14:09:25 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:09:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: <20050103200925.OPHF1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> What I'm waiting on is a good inexpensive cache controller with about 512mb on it > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 02:21:12 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > No...72K. > :( > :( > :( > :( > > ...but it makes you wonder why Western Digital doesn't bump up their > cache...because I'm just guessing that it would be easier for Western > Digital to add more RAM to their existing cache (8MB) than it would be for > Maxtor to increase their drive speed from 72K to 10K. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > Is the Maxtor 10,000 RPM and have 16m cache? > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:38:46 EST > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current > > SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. > a > > possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave > > setup. > > > > But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved > > to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see > > the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor > > (16MB cache). > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't > really > > give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the > 10,000 > > RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. > > SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on > the > > market or SATA2 tests yet. > > > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > Francisco, > > > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients > buy > > > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They > > really > > > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA > drives > > > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are > > only > > > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > > > > > XP pro > > > ASUS K8 MainBoard > > > Athlon64 3200 CPU > > > 450 Watt PS > > > 512MB RAM > > > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > > > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > > > CD/DVD read/write > > > 3.5" diskette drive > > > 10/100MB Ethernet > > > 2/4 USB ports > > > 1 Firewire port > > > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > > > > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the > power > > > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. > In > > > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need > > 'em. > > > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting > > them > > > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a > > complete > > > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to > XP > > > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 > > XP). > > > so far I have no complaints. > > > > > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > > > > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > > > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > > > running 1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > wrote: > > > > Bryan, > > > > > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > > > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > > > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll > post > > > the components. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > > > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -Francisco > > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 3 14:58:12 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:58:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster In-Reply-To: <000301c4f19e$35b2bed0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56A0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <41DA3E84.32722.464C0255@lexacorp.com.pg> On 3 Jan 2005 at 9:12, John W. Colby wrote: > 512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't anymore. I > haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just sucks up memory. As an > example right now I have open WinXP, Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. > Of course I have Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). > Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work unit (100mb), > Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but can't seem to get rid of). > > I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task manager shows 1.3 g > total ram with 700g free. That means that 600g is being used. For what? Click on the Processes tab in Task Manager and you will see exactly what is using it. -- Stuart From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 3 15:05:55 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:05:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: Well...since the PCI bus is limited to ~127MB/sec you would still incur the bottleneck. Even at SATA2's limit of 300MB/sec, you can only transfer the hard drive's cache...IIRC the current drives can't even saturate the current PATA/133 bandwidth. On the other hand, I believe the upcoming PCI Express 2.0 is slated to have 5GB/sec. Now that would be nice...incorporating huge amounts of removable/upgradeable flash RAM storage onto that bus...whoohoo! Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls What I'm waiting on is a good inexpensive cache controller with about 512mb on it > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 02:21:12 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > No...72K. > :( > :( > :( > :( > > ...but it makes you wonder why Western Digital doesn't bump up their > cache...because I'm just guessing that it would be easier for Western > Digital to add more RAM to their existing cache (8MB) than it would be for > Maxtor to increase their drive speed from 72K to 10K. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > Is the Maxtor 10,000 RPM and have 16m cache? > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:38:46 EST > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current > > SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. > a > > possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave > > setup. > > > > But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved > > to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see > > the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor > > (16MB cache). > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't > really > > give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the > 10,000 > > RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. > > SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on > the > > market or SATA2 tests yet. > > > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > Francisco, > > > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients > buy > > > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They > > really > > > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA > drives > > > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are > > only > > > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > > > > > XP pro > > > ASUS K8 MainBoard > > > Athlon64 3200 CPU > > > 450 Watt PS > > > 512MB RAM > > > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > > > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > > > CD/DVD read/write > > > 3.5" diskette drive > > > 10/100MB Ethernet > > > 2/4 USB ports > > > 1 Firewire port > > > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > > > > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the > power > > > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. > In > > > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need > > 'em. > > > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting > > them > > > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a > > complete > > > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to > XP > > > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 > > XP). > > > so far I have no complaints. > > > > > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > > > > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > > > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > > > running 1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > wrote: > > > > Bryan, > > > > > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > > > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > > > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll > post > > > the components. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > > > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -Francisco > > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jan 3 16:18:28 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:18:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56A0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <41DA3E84.32722.464C0255@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41D9C4B4.2000008@shaw.ca> Also Typing msconfig in WinXP from Start Run will show you what services and programs are initialized at Startup Read up on msconfig before disabling anything. It can be a pain to get things running properly again, if you turf something necessary.. You can do temporary disabling. Stuart McLachlan wrote: >On 3 Jan 2005 at 9:12, John W. Colby wrote: > > > >>512 mb should indeed be enough. Unfortunately it just isn't anymore. I >>haven't figured out exactly why but WinXP just sucks up memory. As an >>example right now I have open WinXP, Outlook and Firefox with a single tab. >>Of course I have Norton AV and Sygate firewall as well (this is my laptop). >>Oh, and Folding at Home is loaded and processing a large work unit (100mb), >>Yahoo and Messenger (which I don't use much but can't seem to get rid of). >> >>I have 1.25 gb ram (a 256m dimm and a 1 g dimm). Task manager shows 1.3 g >>total ram with 700g free. That means that 600g is being used. For what? >> >> > >Click on the Processes tab in Task Manager and you will see exactly what is >using it. > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Jan 3 16:23:04 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:23:04 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Media Encoder (was: Laptop should run faster) In-Reply-To: <21170846.1104726897633.JavaMail.root@sniper22.securence.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4f1e2$cb617040$de1811d8@danwaters> Oops! It's really Windows Media Encoder. The web site is here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/default.aspx It will do a number of things, like convert an avi file to a format viewable by Windows Media Player. However, I'm using it to create 'videos' of my software that I can deliver to potential clients. They can watch and listen to my narration at their convenience. Look for Screen Capture if you download this. Competing products (you pay!) are ScreenCam and Camtasia. HTH, Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:34 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster I'll give it a try. What's Media Viewer Encoder? Martin just turned me on to the Windows Movie Maker hidden in the accessories. I was having a devil of a time getting the stuff in my DVD Camcorder into the computer. It really works well. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > Rocky, > > I've been trying to do some screen video capture with MS Windows Media > Viewer Encoder (free!). This was so slow that it was going to be > unusable. > I came across a tip to turn off all hardware acceleration, and that did > the > trick. Go to screen properties, select Settings - Advanced - > Troubleshoot. > Push the slider to the left side. Mine was set to full acceleration. I > haven't seen any adverse affects from doing this, so I'll keep it at this > setting. > > This may only be helpful for problems with the screen display, but it's a > cheap fix! > > HTH, > Dan Waters > ProMation Systems > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:55 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop should run faster > > Dear tech: > > My laptop doesn't run as fast as I thin it should (who's does?). I recall > vaguely some tips about things that can be turned of in windows that tend > to > bog things down. Some kind of logging, or indexing, or audit trailing, or > something. > > Anyway, if anyone has any hints I'll give them a try. It's a 64bit Athlon > processor running with 512MB RAM and WXP Home. Seems to be doing a lot of > disk swapping when starting or terminating programs. Also slow startup > when > changing user accounts. > > Any tips appreciated. > > Best, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > 858-259-4334 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 3 21:22:04 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:22:04 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501032122699.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> These are the 8MB cache 7200rpm "Caviar" HDs The Raptors should really smoke! When available I'll spec them into higher workstations along with more RAM. I have a few client stations that can use every bit of oomph they can get. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. a possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave setup. But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor (16MB cache). Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the market or SATA2 tests yet. > > From: "John Bartow" > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon PM 01:02:30 EST > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > Francisco, > Here's the specs for business workstations I've been having my clients buy > lately. I have them assembled, setup and tested at a local shop. They really > put my P4 2.4Ghz, 512MB RAM, SCSI system to shame. I think the SATA drives > make a big difference. I had been spec'ing 80GB SATA's but the 120 are only > $10 more so I've been going with that for awhile now. > > XP pro > ASUS K8 MainBoard > Athlon64 3200 CPU > 450 Watt PS > 512MB RAM > 80-120 GB Western Digital SATA HD > Radeon 9600, 128MB AGP Video > CD/DVD read/write > 3.5" diskette drive > 10/100MB Ethernet > 2/4 USB ports > 1 Firewire port > 17" Samsung 793 monitor > > Note: The UPSs for these systems is a bit more costly because of the power > needs but I believe down the road it will have been worth it for them. In > the bigger shops they don't all get the RW drives cause they don't need 'em. > The video card is overkill for most people but at the cost I'm getting them > it just doesn't matter. For higher needs stations I bulk up the RAM. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:36 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > I keep my system free of spyware and viruses, but I haven't done a complete > re-install in about 3 years, now this holiday season I moved OSs up to XP > sp2, I was surprised on how fast it runs on my hardware (an ol' amd2000 XP). > so far I have no complaints. > > some of the things I'm looking forward to in a new rig will be > > AMD64 (possibly opteron to be exact, i'd love to bite into the > multiprocessor market :)) SATA drives, and of course USB2 cuz I'm still > running 1.1 > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:38:41 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > wrote: > > Bryan, > > > > How often do you "clean house"? Since I'm heavily into gaming/video & > > audio codecs/demos/beta drivers/etc. I usually start to think about a > > fresh install at around the 7-10 month mark. At that point I usually > > buy a new hard drive and start all over. I keep all my old > > drives...just in case;) I upgrade my video card about every 18 > > months, my CPU about every 18-24 months, and am averaging a new > > complete system about every 4 years. I just finished assembling my > > newest rig over the holidays, but since we were out of town for most > > of the time, I haven't had a chance to load the OS yet. I must admit > > that I went just about all-out this time...it is definitely worthy of > > boutique status. If anyone is interested in the gory details, I'll post > the components. > > > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:21 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:53:57 -0500, Mitsules, Mark > > > > wrote: > > > Glad to see it worked out Bryan...but I must admit I hate the > > > thought that my favorite firewall might be vulnerable in some way. > > > > I don't think it's vulnerable. I think it's my box. I've been thinking > > that it needs to be cleaned up extensively (Like a reformat and > > reinstall) and this is just another confirmation of what I've been > > thinking. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > > shouting "What a great ride!" > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 4 04:56:58 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:56:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls Message-ID: Hi Mark The major advantage is that SATA is two-way while ATA is one-way, either read or write. That's why ATA is no-no for heavy loaded servers while SATA is useful (low price) though still not as fast as SCSI. /gustav >>> Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com 03-01-2005 19:38:46 >>> SATA does give a "theoretical" boost in two ways. First is the current SATA/150 spec vs. the P-ATA/133 spec. Second is the dedicated channel vs. a possible conflict with a second IDE device in the typical master/slave setup. But, having noticed a considerable improvement in performance when I moved to a drive with a 8MB cache when they first came out, I can't wait to see the performance gains in both my new Raptor (10k rpm) and my new Maxtor (16MB cache). Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Software Firewalls >From what I've read and tests that I've seen, SATA in itself doesn't really give a performance improvement. The improvement in SATA come from the 10,000 RPM drives used currently only on the WD Raptors (37Gb and 74 Gb) AFAIK. SATA 2 may be a different story, but I haven't seen any SATA2 drives on the market or SATA2 tests yet. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Jan 4 10:19:23 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Group, Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. Mark From CMackin at quiznos.com Tue Jan 4 10:24:17 2005 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Here in Colorado we just fake it....... http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/28/christmas.scam.ap/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:19 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Group, Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 10:24:03 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:24:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Group, > > Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using > the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend > wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. No experience, but have a look at X10 products. From what I understand X10 is computer controled home automation stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 4 10:52:38 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:52:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Hi Mark That depends heavily on which interface the gate has. Could be some simple open/closure of 24V switches; if so you can buy PCI interface cards with, say, four relay controlled switches and some software like an ocx to control it. But I've only read about it - no dirty fingers. /gustav >>> Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com 04-01-2005 17:19:23 >>> Group, Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Jan 4 10:53:47 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:53:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Bryan, For the moment, that is exactly what I've recommended to him. I figured a turn-key system from X10 might be a little easier on the stress factor than "rolling your own". But, conversely, if anyone had found other means, I would of course pass those along as well. My friend is an EE and loves to tinker, but would probably be turning to me for software. I was thinking along the lines of someone on the list...I can't remember whom, who had an automated greenhouse I believe. I seem to remember that they utilized simple signals sent down the serial port. But my memory is fuzzy on that and I can't recall what other hardware was involved. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Group, > > Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using > the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend > wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. No experience, but have a look at X10 products. From what I understand X10 is computer controled home automation stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Jan 4 11:07:10 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:07:10 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found a pretty slick .dll that you could use in VB to read and send signals through USB, or Serial, or Parallel cables. Pretty nifty. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:54 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Bryan, For the moment, that is exactly what I've recommended to him. I figured a turn-key system from X10 might be a little easier on the stress factor than "rolling your own". But, conversely, if anyone had found other means, I would of course pass those along as well. My friend is an EE and loves to tinker, but would probably be turning to me for software. I was thinking along the lines of someone on the list...I can't remember whom, who had an automated greenhouse I believe. I seem to remember that they utilized simple signals sent down the serial port. But my memory is fuzzy on that and I can't recall what other hardware was involved. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Group, > > Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using > the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend > wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. No experience, but have a look at X10 products. From what I understand X10 is computer controled home automation stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Jan 4 11:16:11 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:16:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Well now...dangling a carrot, or was that an offer to share? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC I found a pretty slick .dll that you could use in VB to read and send signals through USB, or Serial, or Parallel cables. Pretty nifty. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:54 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Bryan, For the moment, that is exactly what I've recommended to him. I figured a turn-key system from X10 might be a little easier on the stress factor than "rolling your own". But, conversely, if anyone had found other means, I would of course pass those along as well. My friend is an EE and loves to tinker, but would probably be turning to me for software. I was thinking along the lines of someone on the list...I can't remember whom, who had an automated greenhouse I believe. I seem to remember that they utilized simple signals sent down the serial port. But my memory is fuzzy on that and I can't recall what other hardware was involved. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Group, > > Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using > the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend > wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. No experience, but have a look at X10 products. From what I understand X10 is computer controled home automation stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 4 11:28:49 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:28:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Message-ID: Hi Drew What a teaser. Show us what's in your pocket! /gustav >>> dbatech at wolfwares.com 04-01-2005 18:07:10 >>> I found a pretty slick .dll that you could use in VB to read and send signals through USB, or Serial, or Parallel cables. Pretty nifty. From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Jan 4 13:30:15 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:30:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC References: Message-ID: <41DAEEC7.5090508@shaw.ca> You need something to convert to RS-232 signals or voltages easiest with 9 pin Then use something like for straight serial ascii mscomm.ocx or www.taltech.com Here is a list of hardware links http://www.taltech.com/resources/links.html Mitsules, Mark wrote: >Group, > >Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using >the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend >wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Jan 4 14:23:47 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:23:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ugh, can't find it! Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Well now...dangling a carrot, or was that an offer to share? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC I found a pretty slick .dll that you could use in VB to read and send signals through USB, or Serial, or Parallel cables. Pretty nifty. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:54 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Bryan, For the moment, that is exactly what I've recommended to him. I figured a turn-key system from X10 might be a little easier on the stress factor than "rolling your own". But, conversely, if anyone had found other means, I would of course pass those along as well. My friend is an EE and loves to tinker, but would probably be turning to me for software. I was thinking along the lines of someone on the list...I can't remember whom, who had an automated greenhouse I believe. I seem to remember that they utilized simple signals sent down the serial port. But my memory is fuzzy on that and I can't recall what other hardware was involved. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:19:23 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Group, > > Does anyone have any experience with automating an electrical device using > the PC? Or can anyone forward a link regarding this subject? A friend > wants to automate a magnetic gate and I would like to help him out. No experience, but have a look at X10 products. From what I understand X10 is computer controled home automation stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Jan 4 14:24:52 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:24:52 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know I just found it on the net, but I've torn through my hard drive, and can't find it anywhere! It was way back when I first got my m515 palm, and it came down with SUDS. I was looking for VB USB stuff. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:29 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Automation via PC Hi Drew What a teaser. Show us what's in your pocket! /gustav >>> dbatech at wolfwares.com 04-01-2005 18:07:10 >>> I found a pretty slick .dll that you could use in VB to read and send signals through USB, or Serial, or Parallel cables. Pretty nifty. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From CMackin at quiznos.com Tue Jan 4 15:17:49 2005 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:17:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio.NET Message-ID: Does anyone know from a practical point of view, what does Visual Studio.NET Enterprise Devloper get you that the Professional edition does not? Thanks, Chris Mackin From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Jan 5 07:20:35 2005 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:20:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio.NET In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050105072035.1400785709.serbach@new.rr.com> Chris, I expect you've seen this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/features/eafeatures.aspx I have VS .NET Enterprise Architect as part of the Empower ISV MSDN Universal subscription. For my first .NET project I haven't noticed nor needed any of the Enterprise features since I'm a lone developer. I believe that the Architect version is good in a multiple developer, multiple application environment where assemblies are shared and code is shared. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > ------------Original Message------------ > From: "Mackin, Christopher" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Date: Tue, Jan-4-2005 3:20 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio.NET > > Does anyone know from a practical point of view, what does Visual > Studio.NET Enterprise Devloper get you that the Professional edition does > not? > > Thanks, > Chris Mackin From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 01:06:00 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:06:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? Message-ID: so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web paper). -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 6 14:15:01 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:15:01 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501061412673.SM03308@ScuzzPaq> I would have to know more about it. Where's the air supply for refill coming from, etc.? I just purchased a little blower unit to replace cans of air - Metro Data Vac. It's a smaller electric canister vac/blower. Air flow seems a bit whimpy I haven't had a chance to try it out yet though. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:06 AM To: The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web paper). -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jan 6 17:39:00 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:39:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? References: Message-ID: <028801c4f448$e67d23c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Well this is pretty crude but I carry my machines out in the driveway, take the cover off, close my eyes and blow. The dust goes everywhere but it's out of the box. If I did it inside the dust would be on the carpet. So the spray cans never made much sense to me anyway. I mean for photo negatives and stuff like that, yeah, where you're wearing white gloves. But for the dust bunnies in my machines, no way. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean > out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? > > http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 > > I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I > could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran > into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web > paper). > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jan 6 17:56:51 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:56:51 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? In-Reply-To: <028801c4f448$e67d23c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: The trouble with that is the moisture in your breath, so they say, which is one of the selling points behind cans of air... I've never had a problem with the hoover with the small attachment on it and a brush. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 06 January 2005 23:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? Well this is pretty crude but I carry my machines out in the driveway, take the cover off, close my eyes and blow. The dust goes everywhere but it's out of the box. If I did it inside the dust would be on the carpet. So the spray cans never made much sense to me anyway. I mean for photo negatives and stuff like that, yeah, where you're wearing white gloves. But for the dust bunnies in my machines, no way. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean > out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? > > http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 > > I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I > could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran > into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web > paper). > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jan 6 18:18:37 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:18:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? References: Message-ID: <02a001c4f44e$6eed7a20$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Who says that? Manufacturers of compressed air cans? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > The trouble with that is the moisture in your breath, so they say, which > is > one of the selling points behind cans of air... I've never had a problem > with the hoover with the small attachment on it and a brush. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: 06 January 2005 23:39 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > > > Well this is pretty crude but I carry my machines out in the driveway, > take > the cover off, close my eyes and blow. The dust goes everywhere but it's > out of the box. If I did it inside the dust would be on the carpet. So > the > spray cans never made much sense to me anyway. I mean for photo negatives > and stuff like that, yeah, where you're wearing white gloves. But for the > dust bunnies in my machines, no way. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco Tapia" > To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:06 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > > >> so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean >> out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? >> >> http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 >> >> I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I >> could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran >> into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web >> paper). >> >> -- >> -Francisco >> http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 18:41:34 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:41:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? In-Reply-To: <02a001c4f44e$6eed7a20$6501a8c0@HAL9002> References: <02a001c4f44e$6eed7a20$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: there IS moisture in the air you breath out... however if you're taking the time to take your pc outside to do it.. it'll probably be dry by the time you get back inside the office. on that same token.. you should NEVER EVER spray inside a box that is ON, as in LIve, because the compressed air shoots out cold and create condensation on your mb and in effect short circuit your product, which is why I was looking at the reair,cuz you'd never get the same compression ratio like the manufacturer but you'd get up to 100 uses on it too... so that sounds appealing On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:18:37 -0800, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Who says that? Manufacturers of compressed air cans? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:56 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > > > The trouble with that is the moisture in your breath, so they say, which > > is > > one of the selling points behind cans of air... I've never had a problem > > with the hoover with the small attachment on it and a brush. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: 06 January 2005 23:39 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > > > > > > Well this is pretty crude but I carry my machines out in the driveway, > > take > > the cover off, close my eyes and blow. The dust goes everywhere but it's > > out of the box. If I did it inside the dust would be on the carpet. So > > the > > spray cans never made much sense to me anyway. I mean for photo negatives > > and stuff like that, yeah, where you're wearing white gloves. But for the > > dust bunnies in my machines, no way. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Francisco Tapia" > > To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of > > Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:06 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] compressed air cans? > > > > > >> so some or many of you have used the compressed air can stuff to clean > >> out your 'puters... but have any of you guys tried reAir? > >> > >> http://www.advantus.com/store/detail.asp?item_no=RR6002&prod_cat=14 > >> > >> I was looking around to find some cheap compressed air cans so that I > >> could finally re-clean the fins for my Zalman cooler.... and I ran > >> into this device... it certainly sounds great on paper (err web > >> paper). > >> > >> -- > >> -Francisco > >> http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This email has been verified as Virus free > > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 7 04:29:44 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:29:44 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D20F3@ALCUXB> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? MTIA Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 7 04:51:02 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:51:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help Message-ID: Hi Jon How about adding some quotes: copy "\\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk" "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop" /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 07-01-2005 11:29:44 >>> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 07:29:30 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:29:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D20F3@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D20F3@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Looks to me like you have the *.* on the to side instead of the from side. The command is copy FromLocationPathAndFile ToLocationPath Here's the help..... Copies one or more files to another location. COPY [/V] [/N] [/Y | /-Y] [/Z] [/A | /B ] source [/A | /B] [+ source [/A | /B] [+ ...]] [destination [/A | /B]] source Specifies the file or files to be copied. /A Indicates an ASCII text file. /B Indicates a binary file. destination Specifies the directory and/or filename for the new file(s). /V Verifies that new files are written correctly. /N Uses short filename, if available, when copying a file with a non-8dot3 name. /Y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /-Y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /Z Copies networked files in restartable mode. The switch /Y may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line. Default is to prompt on overwrites unless COPY command is being executed from within a batch script. To append files, specify a single file for destination, but multiple files for source (using wildcards or file1+file2+file3 format). On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:29:44 -0000, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an > installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about > 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. > > I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following > line isn't working: > > copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk > C:\Documents and Settings\All > Users\Desktop\*.* > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > MTIA > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 7 08:09:38 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:09:38 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D20F5@ALCUXB> Thanks Gustav, that's solved it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 07 January 2005 10:51 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DOS help Hi Jon How about adding some quotes: copy "\\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk" "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop" /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 07-01-2005 11:29:44 >>> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 14:33:43 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:33:43 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Message-ID: <005701c4f4f8$4474ab60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please check is it available from your end. If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security reasons): ... 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net ... ....... ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com TIA, Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Jan 7 14:42:46 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here In-Reply-To: <005701c4f4f8$4474ab60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: works for me! Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Hi All, I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please check is it available from your end. If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security reasons): ... 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net ... ....... ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com TIA, Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jan 7 14:48:47 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:48:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here In-Reply-To: <10912450.1105130387652.JavaMail.root@sniper22.securence.com> Message-ID: <001101c4f4fa$49a5cae0$de1811d8@danwaters> Shamil, Perhaps I'm not understanding, but I can get to http://www.job.com without difficulty. Is this what you're looking for? Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Hi All, I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please check is it available from your end. If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security reasons): ... 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net ... ....... ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com TIA, Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 14:52:25 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:52:25 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here References: Message-ID: <006901c4f4fb$01eb1a10$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you, Drew! Do you have there any utility to take IP route to see how to get to Job.com? For example you may have TRACERT : Usage: tracert [-d] [-h maximum_hops] [-j host-list] [-w timeout] [-R] [-S srcaddr] [-4] [-6] target_name Options: -d Do not resolve addresses to hostnames. -h maximum_hops Maximum number of hops to search for target. -j host-list Loose source route along host-list (IPv4-only). -w timeout Wait timeout milliseconds for each reply. -R Trace round-trip path (IPv6-only). -S srcaddr Source address to use (IPv6-only). -4 Force using IPv4. -6 Force using IPv6. Could you please use it to get an IP route and this route here or just e-mail me... Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > works for me! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM > To: DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > > > Hi All, > > I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please > check is it available from your end. > If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP > route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? > > Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security > reasons): > > ... > 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru > 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru > 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru > 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru > 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net > 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net > 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net > 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net > 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net > 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net > 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net > 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net > 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > ... ....... > ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com > > TIA, > Best regards, > Shamil > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 15:02:43 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:02:43 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here References: Message-ID: <008701c4f4fc$5452e070$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you, Drew! Do you have there any utility to take IP route to see how to get to Job.com? For example you may have TRACERT : Usage: tracert [-d] [-h maximum_hops] [-j host-list] [-w timeout] [-R] [-S srcaddr] [-4] [-6] target_name Options: -d Do not resolve addresses to hostnames. -h maximum_hops Maximum number of hops to search for target. -j host-list Loose source route along host-list (IPv4-only). -w timeout Wait timeout milliseconds for each reply. -R Trace round-trip path (IPv6-only). -S srcaddr Source address to use (IPv6-only). -4 Force using IPv4. -6 Force using IPv6. Could you please use it to get an IP route tracert job.com >jobcom.txt and post this route here or just e-mail me to compare with my broken route... Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > works for me! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM > To: DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > > > Hi All, > > I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please > check is it available from your end. > If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP > route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? > > Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security > reasons): > > ... > 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru > 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru > 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru > 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru > 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net > 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net > 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net > 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net > 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net > 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net > 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net > 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net > 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > ... ....... > ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com > > TIA, > Best regards, > Shamil > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 15:10:14 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:10:14 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here References: <001101c4f4fa$49a5cae0$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <00a101c4f4fd$49692fb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Yes, don, I can't get access to http://www.job.com And I can't find a way how to fix this problem, who (which hosts) should I ask to fix this problem for me. I did write to tech. support of my ISP but I didn't yet get any response from them. Should I try to conctact the owners of: 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net which is the last host working on my IP route to job.com? If yes, how can I find the owners of this host? Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:48 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > Shamil, > > Perhaps I'm not understanding, but I can get to > > http://www.job.com > > without difficulty. > > Is this what you're looking for? > > Dan Waters > ProMation Systems > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM > To: DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > > Hi All, > > I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please > check is it available from your end. > If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP > route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? > > Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security > reasons): > > ... > 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru > 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru > 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru > 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru > 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net > 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net > 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net > 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net > 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net > 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net > 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net > 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net > 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > ... ....... > ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com > > TIA, > Best regards, > Shamil > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Jan 7 15:31:41 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:31:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here In-Reply-To: <008701c4f4fc$5452e070$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: Here ya go! Drew C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert jobs.com Tracing route to a945.g.akamai.net [69.225.175.35] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [216.61 .58.174] 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist1-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.162.130 ] 4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g1-3-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.1.174] 5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms core1-4-0.crdltx.sbcglobal.net [151.164.40.37] 6 30 ms 30 ms 41 ms core2-p3-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.126 ] 7 30 ms 30 ms 40 ms core1-p8-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.165 ] 8 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms core1-p11-0.crskut.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.24 5] 9 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms core1-p3-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.238 ] 10 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms bb1-p8-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.2] 11 50 ms 60 ms 61 ms bb1-p4-0.pltnca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.41.6] 12 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms dist1-vlan36.pltnca.sbcglobal.net [69.227.255.3] 13 50 ms 70 ms 50 ms 69.225.175.35 Trace complete. C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Thank you, Drew! Do you have there any utility to take IP route to see how to get to Job.com? For example you may have TRACERT : Usage: tracert [-d] [-h maximum_hops] [-j host-list] [-w timeout] [-R] [-S srcaddr] [-4] [-6] target_name Options: -d Do not resolve addresses to hostnames. -h maximum_hops Maximum number of hops to search for target. -j host-list Loose source route along host-list (IPv4-only). -w timeout Wait timeout milliseconds for each reply. -R Trace round-trip path (IPv6-only). -S srcaddr Source address to use (IPv6-only). -4 Force using IPv4. -6 Force using IPv6. Could you please use it to get an IP route tracert job.com >jobcom.txt and post this route here or just e-mail me to compare with my broken route... Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > works for me! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:34 PM > To: DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > > > Hi All, > > I can't get access to http://Job.com for several days. Could you please > check is it available from your end. > If not and if you have a minute and a software, which can report the IP > route could you please try to get such route to Job.com ? > > Here is what I did get here (I did cut the first two nodes for security > reasons): > > ... > 2 10.1.0.2 smin-gw.mns.ru > 3 80.70.225.1 router.mns.ru > 4 80.70.225.9 firewall.mns.ru > 5 80.70.225.166 cat4500.mns.ru > 6 217.170.94.41 matrix.eltel.net > 7 81.222.2.1 ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net > 8 81.222.0.130 so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net > 9 81.222.0.114 so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net > 10 129.250.11.9 ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 11 129.250.9.174 p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net > 12 144.232.20.97 sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net > 13 144.232.16.53 sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net > 14 144.232.16.29 sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net > 15 144.232.20.32 sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net > 16 144.232.14.42 sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > ... ....... > ? 208.17.204.130 Job.com > > TIA, > Best regards, > Shamil > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 15:40:44 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:40:44 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here References: Message-ID: <00bf01c4f501$8c746ff0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you, Drew! Could you please trace also IP route to job.com not jobs.com? Jobs.com works fine from here too. Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > Here ya go! > > Drew > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert jobs.com > > Tracing route to a945.g.akamai.net [69.225.175.35] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 > 2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net > [216.61 > .58.174] > 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist1-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.162.130 > ] > 4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g1-3-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.1.174] > 5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms core1-4-0.crdltx.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.40.37] > 6 30 ms 30 ms 41 ms core2-p3-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.240.126 > ] > 7 30 ms 30 ms 40 ms core1-p8-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.240.165 > ] > 8 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms core1-p11-0.crskut.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.24 > 5] > 9 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms core1-p3-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.238 > ] > 10 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms bb1-p8-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.2] > 11 50 ms 60 ms 61 ms bb1-p4-0.pltnca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.41.6] > 12 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms dist1-vlan36.pltnca.sbcglobal.net > [69.227.255.3] > > 13 50 ms 70 ms 50 ms 69.225.175.35 > > Trace complete. > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> > > <<< taile trimmed >>> From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Jan 7 16:40:40 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:40:40 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here In-Reply-To: <00bf01c4f501$8c746ff0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: Picky picky! LOL Here ya go: C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert job.com Tracing route to job.com [208.17.204.130] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 2 <10 ms 10 ms 20 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [216.61 .58.174] 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist2-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.162.131 ] 4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g8-0-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.253.225] 5 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb2-p4-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.191.118] 6 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ex1-p2-0.eqdltx.sbcglobal.net [151.164.40.33] 7 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-st20-dal-4-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.250.109] 8 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb27-fw-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.137] 9 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb26-fw-14-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.85] 10 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms sl-bb23-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.41] 11 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms sl-bb22-atl-6-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.66] 12 20 ms 31 ms 30 ms sl-bb21-atl-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.149] 13 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb21-rly-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.177] 14 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb23-rly-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.134] 15 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.42] 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms www.job.com [208.17.204.130] Trace complete. C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Thank you, Drew! Could you please trace also IP route to job.com not jobs.com? Jobs.com works fine from here too. Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > Here ya go! > > Drew > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert jobs.com > > Tracing route to a945.g.akamai.net [69.225.175.35] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 > 2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net > [216.61 > .58.174] > 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist1-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.162.130 > ] > 4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g1-3-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.1.174] > 5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms core1-4-0.crdltx.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.40.37] > 6 30 ms 30 ms 41 ms core2-p3-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.240.126 > ] > 7 30 ms 30 ms 40 ms core1-p8-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.240.165 > ] > 8 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms core1-p11-0.crskut.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.24 > 5] > 9 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms core1-p3-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.238 > ] > 10 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms bb1-p8-0.crsfca.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.243.2] > 11 50 ms 60 ms 61 ms bb1-p4-0.pltnca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.41.6] > 12 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms dist1-vlan36.pltnca.sbcglobal.net > [69.227.255.3] > > 13 50 ms 70 ms 50 ms 69.225.175.35 > > Trace complete. > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> > > <<< taile trimmed >>> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Jan 7 17:03:21 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 02:03:21 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here References: Message-ID: <001501c4f50d$19ea9340$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you, Drew! So it timed out on [144.232.14.42] one time but then worked well. And here I get: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tracing route to job.com [208.17.204.131] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms smin-gw.mns.ru [10.1.0.2] 3 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms router.mns.ru [80.70.225.1] 4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms firewall.mns.ru [80.70.225.9] 5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms cat4500.mns.ru [80.70.225.166] 6 2 ms 10 ms 3 ms matrix.eltel.net [217.170.94.41] 7 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net [81.222.2.1] 8 52 ms 49 ms 50 ms so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net [81.222.0.130] 9 155 ms 160 ms 154 ms so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net [81.222.0.114] 10 155 ms 155 ms 154 ms ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.11.9] 11 137 ms 139 ms 138 ms p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.9.174] 12 140 ms 139 ms 139 ms sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.97] 13 139 ms 139 ms 139 ms sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.16.53] 14 141 ms 140 ms 139 ms sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.16.29] 15 144 ms 143 ms 143 ms sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.32] 16 144 ms 143 ms 144 ms sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.42] 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Request timed out :( Who should I try to "kick" to solve this problem? Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > Picky picky! LOL > > Here ya go: > > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert job.com > > Tracing route to job.com [208.17.204.130] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 > 2 <10 ms 10 ms 20 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net > [216.61 > .58.174] > 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist2-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.162.131 > ] > 4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g8-0-0.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.253.225] > 5 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb2-p4-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.191.118] > 6 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ex1-p2-0.eqdltx.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.40.33] > 7 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-st20-dal-4-0.sprintlink.net > [144.228.250.109] > > 8 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb27-fw-5-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.9.137] > 9 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb26-fw-14-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.11.85] > 10 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms sl-bb23-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.11.41] > 11 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms sl-bb22-atl-6-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.8.66] > 12 20 ms 31 ms 30 ms sl-bb21-atl-15-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.12.149] > > 13 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb21-rly-8-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.20.177] > > 14 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb23-rly-11-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.14.134] > > 15 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.14.42] > > 16 * * * Request timed out. > 17 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms www.job.com [208.17.204.130] > > Trace complete. > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> > > <<< tail trimmed >>> From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Jan 7 17:41:13 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here In-Reply-To: <001501c4f50d$19ea9340$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: Ya got me, I guess the sprintlink people! Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here Thank you, Drew! So it timed out on [144.232.14.42] one time but then worked well. And here I get: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tracing route to job.com [208.17.204.131] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms smin-gw.mns.ru [10.1.0.2] 3 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms router.mns.ru [80.70.225.1] 4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms firewall.mns.ru [80.70.225.9] 5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms cat4500.mns.ru [80.70.225.166] 6 2 ms 10 ms 3 ms matrix.eltel.net [217.170.94.41] 7 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ge-0-1-0-2.RT008-001.spb.retn.net [81.222.2.1] 8 52 ms 49 ms 50 ms so-0-2-0.RT702-001.lon.retn.net [81.222.0.130] 9 155 ms 160 ms 154 ms so-0-3-0.RT801-001.nyc.retn.net [81.222.0.114] 10 155 ms 155 ms 154 ms ge-1-3-3.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.11.9] 11 137 ms 139 ms 138 ms p16-0.sprint.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.9.174] 12 140 ms 139 ms 139 ms sl-bb27-pen-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.97] 13 139 ms 139 ms 139 ms sl-bb22-pen-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.16.53] 14 141 ms 140 ms 139 ms sl-bb21-pen-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.16.29] 15 144 ms 143 ms 143 ms sl-bb23-rly-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.32] 16 144 ms 143 ms 144 ms sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.42] 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Request timed out :( Who should I try to "kick" to solve this problem? Best regards, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Problem: Job.com isn't available from here > Picky picky! LOL > > Here ya go: > > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka>tracert job.com > > Tracing route to job.com [208.17.204.130] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.2.16 > 2 <10 ms 10 ms 20 ms adsl-216-61-58-174.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net > [216.61 > .58.174] > 3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms dist2-vlan130.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.162.131 > ] > 4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-g8-0-0.rcsntx.swbell.net > [151.164.253.225] > 5 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb2-p4-0.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.191.118] > 6 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ex1-p2-0.eqdltx.sbcglobal.net > [151.164.40.33] > 7 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-st20-dal-4-0.sprintlink.net > [144.228.250.109] > > 8 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb27-fw-5-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.9.137] > 9 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb26-fw-14-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.11.85] > 10 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms sl-bb23-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.11.41] > 11 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms sl-bb22-atl-6-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.8.66] > 12 20 ms 31 ms 30 ms sl-bb21-atl-15-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.12.149] > > 13 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb21-rly-8-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.20.177] > > 14 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms sl-bb23-rly-11-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.14.134] > > 15 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms sl-gw19-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net > [144.232.14.42] > > 16 * * * Request timed out. > 17 40 ms 40 ms 50 ms www.job.com [208.17.204.130] > > Trace complete. > > C:\Documents and Settings\dwutka> > > <<< tail trimmed >>> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sat Jan 8 16:17:45 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:17:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56DC@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I believe that d$ is only accesible with an administrator account... If you will run the script from a users pc with a regular user loggod on that will fail... You will need to share that folder and give user access rights. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help Thanks Gustav, that's solved it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 07 January 2005 10:51 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DOS help Hi Jon How about adding some quotes: copy "\\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk" "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop" /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 07-01-2005 11:29:44 >>> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 8 21:05:18 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:05:18 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56DC@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: Yeah I remembered that eventually too... got it all working now :-) In my defence, it was my second day back at work after nearly 3 weeks off! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: 08 January 2005 22:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help I believe that d$ is only accesible with an administrator account... If you will run the script from a users pc with a regular user loggod on that will fail... You will need to share that folder and give user access rights. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help Thanks Gustav, that's solved it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 07 January 2005 10:51 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DOS help Hi Jon How about adding some quotes: copy "\\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk" "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop" /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 07-01-2005 11:29:44 >>> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Jan 9 04:23:09 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:23:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS help Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B56DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local> No defence necesary Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help Yeah I remembered that eventually too... got it all working now :-) In my defence, it was my second day back at work after nearly 3 weeks off! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: 08 January 2005 22:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help I believe that d$ is only accesible with an administrator account... If you will run the script from a users pc with a regular user loggod on that will fail... You will need to share that folder and give user access rights. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS help Thanks Gustav, that's solved it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 07 January 2005 10:51 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DOS help Hi Jon How about adding some quotes: copy "\\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk" "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop" /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 07-01-2005 11:29:44 >>> Hi all got a small problem with a batch file I'm trying to write to automate an installation procedure. The problem is I haven't used DOS actively for about 10 years and can't remember a whole lot. I'm trying to copy a file from one location to another, and the following line isn't working: copy \\alcaislg1\d$\deploy\_AIS32.lnk C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\*.* Does anyone have any suggestions? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 14:07:26 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] FoxFire and FTP In-Reply-To: <001501c4e770$a3603080$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <001501c4e770$a3603080$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: I never read an answer for your question here... for me what I've done is always include the username in part of the url for example ftp://MyUserID at MyFTPsite.Com hope this helps On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:20:43 -0500, John W. Colby wrote: > Does anyone know how to get FoxFire to prompt with a username / password if > necessary. On my machine it just throws an error if a password is required. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From artful at rogers.com Wed Jan 12 07:31:20 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:31:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: References: <001501c4e770$a3603080$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <41E526A8.6080704@rogers.com> Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 12 07:43:23 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:43:23 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D213F@ALCUXB> Arthur 1: right click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop and go to properties. Then select the advanced tab. On there is a button marked performance, click on that. This should now bring up a page with a white box at the top listing your drives, and some numbers next to them, telling you how much space is used on each drive for the virtual memory. Select the drive you want it to be on, and in the two boxes below type the SAME number (I usually use 2048). This means that your performance won't increase or decrease due to page file resizing. Then select the old drive, and delete the numbers. 2: When I did part of my MCSE course they said that it was a myth - surely someone with 64mb of ram would need a bigger page file than someone with 1gb - I tend touse 1gb or 2gb for my pagefile on pc's I set up, depending on the size of the hard drive. 3: That's the space reserved for saving the data on your pc when it goes into hibernate mode... this mode is a PITA, as it mostly tends to crash the pc or laptop. In power management, you can deactivate hibernate mode and you'll get all that room back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 13:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Jan 12 07:53:33 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:53:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30AA1465@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BBD32@ADGSERVER> I don't have XP here, so comments are from memory. Comments inline. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. I think that you set the pagefile size on E: to 0 and set it to whatever you want on F: 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? For lower amounts of RAM (<=512MB), I go with twice the amount of RAM. Anything over 512MB, I usually set the pagefile size to 1.5 times RAM. 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? This is what the system uses when your PC hibernates. I do not know if you can kill it or not. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 12 08:07:25 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:07:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D213F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <002b01c4f8b0$0f8f0420$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Jon, I use hibernate mode on my laptop all the time, never crashes. I don't use it on my PCs though I've often wondered why it wasn't used more often. It is much quicker to dump a memory state and reload it later than to load that memory state from all the various files needed. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur 1: right click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop and go to properties. Then select the advanced tab. On there is a button marked performance, click on that. This should now bring up a page with a white box at the top listing your drives, and some numbers next to them, telling you how much space is used on each drive for the virtual memory. Select the drive you want it to be on, and in the two boxes below type the SAME number (I usually use 2048). This means that your performance won't increase or decrease due to page file resizing. Then select the old drive, and delete the numbers. 2: When I did part of my MCSE course they said that it was a myth - surely someone with 64mb of ram would need a bigger page file than someone with 1gb - I tend touse 1gb or 2gb for my pagefile on pc's I set up, depending on the size of the hard drive. 3: That's the space reserved for saving the data on your pc when it goes into hibernate mode... this mode is a PITA, as it mostly tends to crash the pc or laptop. In power management, you can deactivate hibernate mode and you'll get all that room back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 13:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 12 08:18:16 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:18:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <41E526A8.6080704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002c01c4f8b1$8ee41a70$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> >I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. I tend to build a dedicated partition which is 1.5 times the max size my memory could possibly be (biggest the machine can handle), then place the swap file on that drive and never store anything else on it. I then allow the system to manipulate the page file as it sees fit. One big issue with the page file is fragmentation on a normal drive, if it is used at all (and it may not be if you have enough memory) then the page file gets fragmented just like any other file if it is out on a regular partition. Having to hit the page file at all is enough of a drag on the system without the additional slow down of a fragmented page file. By placing it on it's own partition, then it expands and contracts linearly with no fragmentation. I have also heard however that if you use the dedicated partition trick, just set the page file to the size of the partition. It then will build the page file one time and never "take time" later to expand or contract the file. Or I guess just do as Jon mentioned and set the two numbers to the same size. The hiberfile can be killed since once you are loaded it is not in use. When it hibernates, it will create a new one. AFAICT you can't determine where that file is created. The file is a literal "memory dump" of the state at the time the computer is closed. The idea is to read memory as if it were a big PROM, load this big PROM into ram as the system comes up and then execute out of the "PROM". The PROM of course is all of the programs that you had loaded at the time you shut down. It works just fine on my laptop, though I must admit that I do perform a normal close / open cycle occasionally just for drill so to speak. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 12 10:24:30 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:24:30 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214A@ALCUXB> Do you use xp or 2k? It's not been good for us on 2k, so we've disabled it across the whole domain. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Jon, I use hibernate mode on my laptop all the time, never crashes. I don't use it on my PCs though I've often wondered why it wasn't used more often. It is much quicker to dump a memory state and reload it later than to load that memory state from all the various files needed. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur 1: right click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop and go to properties. Then select the advanced tab. On there is a button marked performance, click on that. This should now bring up a page with a white box at the top listing your drives, and some numbers next to them, telling you how much space is used on each drive for the virtual memory. Select the drive you want it to be on, and in the two boxes below type the SAME number (I usually use 2048). This means that your performance won't increase or decrease due to page file resizing. Then select the old drive, and delete the numbers. 2: When I did part of my MCSE course they said that it was a myth - surely someone with 64mb of ram would need a bigger page file than someone with 1gb - I tend touse 1gb or 2gb for my pagefile on pc's I set up, depending on the size of the hard drive. 3: That's the space reserved for saving the data on your pc when it goes into hibernate mode... this mode is a PITA, as it mostly tends to crash the pc or laptop. In power management, you can deactivate hibernate mode and you'll get all that room back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 13:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 12 10:28:58 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:28:58 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214B@ALCUXB> When I did my course, they said anything between 1.5 times and 2.5 times the amount of RAM you have installed is correct, which is what windows allocates automatically - 1.5 times as the lower limit and 2.5 times as the upper. We were told that if we kept both numbers the same, then performance wouldn't degrade when more of the page file was used, as you wouldn't have to wait for the page file to resize itself. This was a couple of years ago... maybe with the advent of SATA or the 10,000 rpm drives it's not so much of an issue. Sometimes I get messages saying that I've run out of memory, even wiuth 1gb of ram and 2gb pagefile on my pc at work, which concerns me slightly, especially when I'm only using Excel, and not in a hardcore way... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:18 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question >I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. I tend to build a dedicated partition which is 1.5 times the max size my memory could possibly be (biggest the machine can handle), then place the swap file on that drive and never store anything else on it. I then allow the system to manipulate the page file as it sees fit. One big issue with the page file is fragmentation on a normal drive, if it is used at all (and it may not be if you have enough memory) then the page file gets fragmented just like any other file if it is out on a regular partition. Having to hit the page file at all is enough of a drag on the system without the additional slow down of a fragmented page file. By placing it on it's own partition, then it expands and contracts linearly with no fragmentation. I have also heard however that if you use the dedicated partition trick, just set the page file to the size of the partition. It then will build the page file one time and never "take time" later to expand or contract the file. Or I guess just do as Jon mentioned and set the two numbers to the same size. The hiberfile can be killed since once you are loaded it is not in use. When it hibernates, it will create a new one. AFAICT you can't determine where that file is created. The file is a literal "memory dump" of the state at the time the computer is closed. The idea is to read memory as if it were a big PROM, load this big PROM into ram as the system comes up and then execute out of the "PROM". The PROM of course is all of the programs that you had loaded at the time you shut down. It works just fine on my laptop, though I must admit that I do perform a normal close / open cycle occasionally just for drill so to speak. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 12 11:00:43 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:00:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214A@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <003e01c4f8c8$40a63ac0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I use XP exclusively at this point. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Do you use xp or 2k? It's not been good for us on 2k, so we've disabled it across the whole domain. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Jon, I use hibernate mode on my laptop all the time, never crashes. I don't use it on my PCs though I've often wondered why it wasn't used more often. It is much quicker to dump a memory state and reload it later than to load that memory state from all the various files needed. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur 1: right click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop and go to properties. Then select the advanced tab. On there is a button marked performance, click on that. This should now bring up a page with a white box at the top listing your drives, and some numbers next to them, telling you how much space is used on each drive for the virtual memory. Select the drive you want it to be on, and in the two boxes below type the SAME number (I usually use 2048). This means that your performance won't increase or decrease due to page file resizing. Then select the old drive, and delete the numbers. 2: When I did part of my MCSE course they said that it was a myth - surely someone with 64mb of ram would need a bigger page file than someone with 1gb - I tend touse 1gb or 2gb for my pagefile on pc's I set up, depending on the size of the hard drive. 3: That's the space reserved for saving the data on your pc when it goes into hibernate mode... this mode is a PITA, as it mostly tends to crash the pc or laptop. In power management, you can deactivate hibernate mode and you'll get all that room back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 13:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 12 11:02:01 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:02:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <003f01c4f8c8$737d5dc0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> If you defragged the drive and the rebuilt the page file, set both numbers to the same number then the issue of fragmentation would probably go away as well since it wouldn't be changing any more. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question When I did my course, they said anything between 1.5 times and 2.5 times the amount of RAM you have installed is correct, which is what windows allocates automatically - 1.5 times as the lower limit and 2.5 times as the upper. We were told that if we kept both numbers the same, then performance wouldn't degrade when more of the page file was used, as you wouldn't have to wait for the page file to resize itself. This was a couple of years ago... maybe with the advent of SATA or the 10,000 rpm drives it's not so much of an issue. Sometimes I get messages saying that I've run out of memory, even wiuth 1gb of ram and 2gb pagefile on my pc at work, which concerns me slightly, especially when I'm only using Excel, and not in a hardcore way... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:18 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question >I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the >RAM available. I tend to build a dedicated partition which is 1.5 times the max size my memory could possibly be (biggest the machine can handle), then place the swap file on that drive and never store anything else on it. I then allow the system to manipulate the page file as it sees fit. One big issue with the page file is fragmentation on a normal drive, if it is used at all (and it may not be if you have enough memory) then the page file gets fragmented just like any other file if it is out on a regular partition. Having to hit the page file at all is enough of a drag on the system without the additional slow down of a fragmented page file. By placing it on it's own partition, then it expands and contracts linearly with no fragmentation. I have also heard however that if you use the dedicated partition trick, just set the page file to the size of the partition. It then will build the page file one time and never "take time" later to expand or contract the file. Or I guess just do as Jon mentioned and set the two numbers to the same size. The hiberfile can be killed since once you are loaded it is not in use. When it hibernates, it will create a new one. AFAICT you can't determine where that file is created. The file is a literal "memory dump" of the state at the time the computer is closed. The idea is to read memory as if it were a big PROM, load this big PROM into ram as the system comes up and then execute out of the "PROM". The PROM of course is all of the programs that you had loaded at the time you shut down. It works just fine on my laptop, though I must admit that I do perform a normal close / open cycle occasionally just for drill so to speak. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 12 11:12:31 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:12:31 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214D@ALCUXB> I haven't used it much myself, but I suspect I'm going to have to learn it inside out as my dad's just got a new pc and put XP Pro on it... He's building a nice custom case for it actually, building into the desk that he's got, so you can't see the pc, until you open the door to put cd's etc in... I'll get some pictures on ofoto when we get around to putting it in... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 17:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question I use XP exclusively at this point. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Do you use xp or 2k? It's not been good for us on 2k, so we've disabled it across the whole domain. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Jon, I use hibernate mode on my laptop all the time, never crashes. I don't use it on my PCs though I've often wondered why it wasn't used more often. It is much quicker to dump a memory state and reload it later than to load that memory state from all the various files needed. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur 1: right click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop and go to properties. Then select the advanced tab. On there is a button marked performance, click on that. This should now bring up a page with a white box at the top listing your drives, and some numbers next to them, telling you how much space is used on each drive for the virtual memory. Select the drive you want it to be on, and in the two boxes below type the SAME number (I usually use 2048). This means that your performance won't increase or decrease due to page file resizing. Then select the old drive, and delete the numbers. 2: When I did part of my MCSE course they said that it was a myth - surely someone with 64mb of ram would need a bigger page file than someone with 1gb - I tend touse 1gb or 2gb for my pagefile on pc's I set up, depending on the size of the hard drive. 3: That's the space reserved for saving the data on your pc when it goes into hibernate mode... this mode is a PITA, as it mostly tends to crash the pc or laptop. In power management, you can deactivate hibernate mode and you'll get all that room back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 13:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 12 11:33:42 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:33:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <41E526A8.6080704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501121133937.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Arthur, I set the pagefile size to 1.5 to 3 times the RAM (depends on how much RAM - for instance I don't set a 3GB pagefile on those systems with 1GB RAM but on a system with 128MB of RAM (yikes!) I would set it to 3x128. I also prefer to have the pagefile operating on a separate disk from the OS and applications generally a file storage disk. And as someone else mentioned - defrag the drive before moving it there and set the min/max sizes the same. By doing that you prevent fragmentation. Also there is a possiblity of a security issue by leaving a static pagefile as is when shutting down. I have to think that this is one of the most obscure security issues I have dealt with. There are settings you can make to clear the pagefile while shutting down. It doesn't actually remove the pagefile.sys it clears the contents of it. I recommend that you don't do this unless you're in a high security situation. It takes a long time to shut down when this is set. OTOH A few months ago I read an article by one of the big hitters (those in the class of Russonvich(sp?) and the like) I'm sorry I can't recall where I read it but the author made the case that XP handles virutal memory much better than the older NT versions and that typically we should let it do it for us. I'll try it sometime when I have a big load to process and have some time but until then it's just someone else's opinion and the most I'm taking from it is that I don't have to fret if I forget to manually set it the way I used to have to on NT 3&4. On the hibenate issue. I have seen it work great on system and totally screw up on other systems. IMO you use it if it works and you have the need otherwise fo-getta-bout-it! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Jan 12 12:10:38 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:10:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: >> I'll try it sometime when I have a big load to process ;) Now, if this doesn't conjure up a Beavis and Butthead moment... Mark ...sorry it's slow today:) -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur, I set the pagefile size to 1.5 to 3 times the RAM (depends on how much RAM - for instance I don't set a 3GB pagefile on those systems with 1GB RAM but on a system with 128MB of RAM (yikes!) I would set it to 3x128. I also prefer to have the pagefile operating on a separate disk from the OS and applications generally a file storage disk. And as someone else mentioned - defrag the drive before moving it there and set the min/max sizes the same. By doing that you prevent fragmentation. Also there is a possiblity of a security issue by leaving a static pagefile as is when shutting down. I have to think that this is one of the most obscure security issues I have dealt with. There are settings you can make to clear the pagefile while shutting down. It doesn't actually remove the pagefile.sys it clears the contents of it. I recommend that you don't do this unless you're in a high security situation. It takes a long time to shut down when this is set. OTOH A few months ago I read an article by one of the big hitters (those in the class of Russonvich(sp?) and the like) I'm sorry I can't recall where I read it but the author made the case that XP handles virutal memory much better than the older NT versions and that typically we should let it do it for us. I'll try it sometime when I have a big load to process and have some time but until then it's just someone else's opinion and the most I'm taking from it is that I don't have to fret if I forget to manually set it the way I used to have to on NT 3&4. On the hibenate issue. I have seen it work great on system and totally screw up on other systems. IMO you use it if it works and you have the need otherwise fo-getta-bout-it! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Jan 12 12:46:28 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:46:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Message-ID: Group, Is it possible to take the HTML / DHTML / Scripting of 5 disparate web pages and somehow "layer" them onto 1 page? Mark From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 12 14:37:27 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501121437609.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Hmmm, and we wonder how the press gets such unbelievable quotes from politicians! ;o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question >> I'll try it sometime when I have a big load to process ;) Now, if this doesn't conjure up a Beavis and Butthead moment... Mark ...sorry it's slow today:) -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Arthur, I set the pagefile size to 1.5 to 3 times the RAM (depends on how much RAM - for instance I don't set a 3GB pagefile on those systems with 1GB RAM but on a system with 128MB of RAM (yikes!) I would set it to 3x128. I also prefer to have the pagefile operating on a separate disk from the OS and applications generally a file storage disk. And as someone else mentioned - defrag the drive before moving it there and set the min/max sizes the same. By doing that you prevent fragmentation. Also there is a possiblity of a security issue by leaving a static pagefile as is when shutting down. I have to think that this is one of the most obscure security issues I have dealt with. There are settings you can make to clear the pagefile while shutting down. It doesn't actually remove the pagefile.sys it clears the contents of it. I recommend that you don't do this unless you're in a high security situation. It takes a long time to shut down when this is set. OTOH A few months ago I read an article by one of the big hitters (those in the class of Russonvich(sp?) and the like) I'm sorry I can't recall where I read it but the author made the case that XP handles virutal memory much better than the older NT versions and that typically we should let it do it for us. I'll try it sometime when I have a big load to process and have some time but until then it's just someone else's opinion and the most I'm taking from it is that I don't have to fret if I forget to manually set it the way I used to have to on NT 3&4. On the hibenate issue. I have seen it work great on system and totally screw up on other systems. IMO you use it if it works and you have the need otherwise fo-getta-bout-it! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 12 14:46:43 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:46:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501121446968.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Not a guru but since I'm replying to you on other matters... Not sure what you mean by layering but you could accomplish this via the use of frames. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:46 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Group, Is it possible to take the HTML / DHTML / Scripting of 5 disparate web pages and somehow "layer" them onto 1 page? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Jan 12 15:43:38 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:43:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Message-ID: ...hmmm. You know, you just gave me an idea. Although frames are not really my forte, I am familiar with server side includes which might be able to produce the same results. Thanks. Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Not a guru but since I'm replying to you on other matters... Not sure what you mean by layering but you could accomplish this via the use of frames. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:46 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Group, Is it possible to take the HTML / DHTML / Scripting of 5 disparate web pages and somehow "layer" them onto 1 page? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 12 19:57:10 2005 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:57:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214A@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <41E58F26.27853.2B060F5@localhost> On 12 Jan 2005 at 16:24, Jon Tydda wrote: > Do you use xp or 2k? It's not been good for us on 2k, so we've > disabled it across the whole domain. I use hibernate on my W2K laptop at least 3 times a day with no problems. I've also started using it on my XPP desktop at home with no problems either. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I've learned.... That to ignore the facts does not change the facts. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 12 21:47:57 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:47:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501122148359.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Always willing to spout out an idea! (As long as no one takes me seriously :o) Glad to have helped by jogg'in the nogg'in a bit. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed ...hmmm. You know, you just gave me an idea. Although frames are not really my forte, I am familiar with server side includes which might be able to produce the same results. Thanks. Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Not a guru but since I'm replying to you on other matters... Not sure what you mean by layering but you could accomplish this via the use of frames. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:46 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML / DHTML / Scripting Gurus Needed Group, Is it possible to take the HTML / DHTML / Scripting of 5 disparate web pages and somehow "layer" them onto 1 page? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 13 00:33:57 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:33:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <200501130034671.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Jon, I think the speed and size of HDs somewhat alleviates much of the problem of paing. However IIRC the pagefile is a "file system" of its own inside a file. In other words it has to index where it puts all the swapped out info. Knowing how poorly the Windows OS places files on the file system (hence the need for defraggers) I can't imagine that it is any better in the swap file system space. So, by oversizing the pagefile one may be slowing down the response time because of the seek time. I realize I'm getting a bit nit-picky here but after all we are talking about overriding the original programmers specifications here for the sake of tweaking the best performance out of Windows. And I thought I should raise the flag for this one :o) Try this approach once and see what you would have to set it to. Use your computer for the day. Before shutting it down close all, open the task manager, look at the performance tab, look at the peak usage of memory near the lower left corner. Calculate: peak usage (in KB)/1024 - total physical memory in MB = pagefile maximum usage in MB Round "pagefile maximum usage in MB" up to the nearest 50MB Set your "Pagefile" or "Virtual Memory's" "Initial" and "Maximum" sizes to that value and you should get the maximum performance. If you change the way you use your computer (bigger files, different programs, more programs at once) you should redo this. You may even want to do this over a week or two and take the highest value. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question When I did my course, they said anything between 1.5 times and 2.5 times the amount of RAM you have installed is correct, which is what windows allocates automatically - 1.5 times as the lower limit and 2.5 times as the upper. We were told that if we kept both numbers the same, then performance wouldn't degrade when more of the page file was used, as you wouldn't have to wait for the page file to resize itself. This was a couple of years ago... maybe with the advent of SATA or the 10,000 rpm drives it's not so much of an issue. Sometimes I get messages saying that I've run out of memory, even wiuth 1gb of ram and 2gb pagefile on my pc at work, which concerns me slightly, especially when I'm only using Excel, and not in a hardcore way... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 12 January 2005 14:18 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question >I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the >RAM available. I tend to build a dedicated partition which is 1.5 times the max size my memory could possibly be (biggest the machine can handle), then place the swap file on that drive and never store anything else on it. I then allow the system to manipulate the page file as it sees fit. One big issue with the page file is fragmentation on a normal drive, if it is used at all (and it may not be if you have enough memory) then the page file gets fragmented just like any other file if it is out on a regular partition. Having to hit the page file at all is enough of a drag on the system without the additional slow down of a fragmented page file. By placing it on it's own partition, then it expands and contracts linearly with no fragmentation. I have also heard however that if you use the dedicated partition trick, just set the page file to the size of the partition. It then will build the page file one time and never "take time" later to expand or contract the file. Or I guess just do as Jon mentioned and set the two numbers to the same size. The hiberfile can be killed since once you are loaded it is not in use. When it hibernates, it will create a new one. AFAICT you can't determine where that file is created. The file is a literal "memory dump" of the state at the time the computer is closed. The idea is to read memory as if it were a big PROM, load this big PROM into ram as the system comes up and then execute out of the "PROM". The PROM of course is all of the programs that you had loaded at the time you shut down. It works just fine on my laptop, though I must admit that I do perform a normal close / open cycle occasionally just for drill so to speak. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Actually, three related questions: 1. The interface is quite quite confusing (or alternatively, my senior moments are becoming more frequent). I want to move the Windows pagefile.sys from drive e: to drive f:. It's not readily apparent how to do this. 2. I have heard or read that the pagefile.sys setting should be twice the RAM available. Is this just old-folks' tales or is there sense behind this alleged maxim? 3. I just noticed another file 260MB large called hiberfil.sys. What is this? Can I kill it? Can I move it? TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jan 13 03:14:37 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:14:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D214F@ALCUXB> Probably just my ancient hardware causing problems then :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: 13 January 2005 01:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] wXP virtual memory question On 12 Jan 2005 at 16:24, Jon Tydda wrote: > Do you use xp or 2k? It's not been good for us on 2k, so we've > disabled it across the whole domain. I use hibernate on my W2K laptop at least 3 times a day with no problems. I've also started using it on my XPP desktop at home with no problems either. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I've learned.... That to ignore the facts does not change the facts. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jan 13 04:25:28 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:25:28 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2152@ALCUXB> Hi all Does anyone know how I force a winxp pro pc to run all users at the "adjust for best performance" setting rather than having to do it every time someone new logs in? I'm sure it's in gpedit.msc or somewhere like that but I can't find it... TIA Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jan 13 07:00:48 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:00:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings Message-ID: My hope is that something in here will be of use... http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=902284&page=1 Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:25 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings Hi all Does anyone know how I force a winxp pro pc to run all users at the "adjust for best performance" setting rather than having to do it every time someone new logs in? I'm sure it's in gpedit.msc or somewhere like that but I can't find it... TIA Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jan 13 08:13:01 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:13:01 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2159@ALCUXB> Thanks Mark, I'll have a root through when I've got a moment. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 13 January 2005 13:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings My hope is that something in here will be of use... http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=902284&page=1 Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:25 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP user settings Hi all Does anyone know how I force a winxp pro pc to run all users at the "adjust for best performance" setting rather than having to do it every time someone new logs in? I'm sure it's in gpedit.msc or somewhere like that but I can't find it... TIA Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 15 15:01:39 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:01:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Message-ID: <20050115210026.EHYV2073.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to calculate watts required without having tons of information? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 15 18:06:50 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:06:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements In-Reply-To: <20050115210026.EHYV2073.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: <41EA3CBA.9545.F93D773@lexacorp.com.pg> On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 15 23:52:11 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:52:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Message-ID: <20050116055054.SWFN2378.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 16 10:06:54 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:06:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements In-Reply-To: <20050116055054.SWFN2378.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: <000201c4fbe5$68e88d10$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 16 13:56:19 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:56:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Message-ID: <20050116195556.KXDQ1992.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 16 14:10:39 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements In-Reply-To: <20050116195556.KXDQ1992.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: <000301c4fc07$73014450$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Yea, a 430 is a pretty safe bet I'd think. Sounds like a nice system. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 14:47:53 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:47:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification Message-ID: <39cb22f305011612475cc2243c@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, In the .NET application that I'm struggling through, my client has mentioned the desirability of knowing just who has changed any record in the system. Of course, there's a user login, but it struck me that it would be useful to know which workstation made a change to the database. I see that PCPitstop.com and Belarc Advisor both the private LAN's IP address and the external IP address. There's the MAC address, too. Machine name in Windows, hard drive serial number, etc. Do any of you use any of this information to identify people that log in to your applications via the Internet? If so, what do you use? How do you go about, say, getting the serial number of a hard disk? -- Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI www.swerbach.com Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 16 14:56:11 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:56:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Message-ID: <20050116205524.NHJA2042.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> I will be adding more drives later so that's the reason for the 550 power supply. I hope that it will handle being a web server for one low usage app, do low volume terminal services for 1 or 2 users, and file and SQL server. If necessary, I could offload the web server to a hosting company. Hopefully I won't have to add another box. Jim Moss -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Yea, a 430 is a pretty safe bet I'd think. Sounds like a nice system. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 16 15:12:44 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:12:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification Message-ID: Hi Steve You can save all kinds of info but the question must be when and how you would use it later and if you will be able to track it down if needed - not very likely. In my opinion hardware type of info is useful only for debugging errors. If your system is secured by login and authentication, the userid and a timestamp should be all that is needed. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 16-01-2005 21:47:53 >>> Dear Group, In the .NET application that I'm struggling through, my client has mentioned the desirability of knowing just who has changed any record in the system. Of course, there's a user login, but it struck me that it would be useful to know which workstation made a change to the database. I see that PCPitstop.com and Belarc Advisor both the private LAN's IP address and the external IP address. There's the MAC address, too. Machine name in Windows, hard drive serial number, etc. Do any of you use any of this information to identify people that log in to your applications via the Internet? If so, what do you use? How do you go about, say, getting the serial number of a hard disk? -- Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI www.swerbach.com Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Jan 16 15:05:57 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:05:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements In-Reply-To: <20050116205524.NHJA2042.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: Webservers are very low on the resource list. SQL server is going to be your resource hog. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements I will be adding more drives later so that's the reason for the 550 power supply. I hope that it will handle being a web server for one low usage app, do low volume terminal services for 1 or 2 users, and file and SQL server. If necessary, I could offload the web server to a hosting company. Hopefully I won't have to add another box. Jim Moss -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Yea, a 430 is a pretty safe bet I'd think. Sounds like a nice system. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 16 17:03:47 2005 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:03:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Message-ID: <20050116230320.SKUH1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Drew I was running MSDE and IIS and a low usage asp app on Win2000 and an old AMD 1.2 with 1.5 gb RAM along with my desktop and it ran OK, but it was a small database and very low usage. Am I wrong in assuming that terminal services will be a resource hog too? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Webservers are very low on the resource list. SQL server is going to be your resource hog. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements I will be adding more drives later so that's the reason for the 550 power supply. I hope that it will handle being a web server for one low usage app, do low volume terminal services for 1 or 2 users, and file and SQL server. If necessary, I could offload the web server to a hosting company. Hopefully I won't have to add another box. Jim Moss -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Yea, a 430 is a pretty safe bet I'd think. Sounds like a nice system. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Jan 16 19:25:54 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:25:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements In-Reply-To: <20050116230320.SKUH1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3> Message-ID: Ya, terminal server will be somewhat of a resource hog, but newer machine should handle it well, unless you start getting a lot of users. IIS will run just fine on even a pentium II. It doesn't require that much CPU power. Memory is good, especially if you are using ASP, and .dll's. The more programming that puts things into memory, the more memory you use. But plain old webpages will draw very little resources. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:04 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Drew I was running MSDE and IIS and a low usage asp app on Win2000 and an old AMD 1.2 with 1.5 gb RAM along with my desktop and it ran OK, but it was a small database and very low usage. Am I wrong in assuming that terminal services will be a resource hog too? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Webservers are very low on the resource list. SQL server is going to be your resource hog. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements I will be adding more drives later so that's the reason for the 550 power supply. I hope that it will handle being a web server for one low usage app, do low volume terminal services for 1 or 2 users, and file and SQL server. If necessary, I could offload the web server to a hosting company. Hopefully I won't have to add another box. Jim Moss -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Yea, a 430 is a pretty safe bet I'd think. Sounds like a nice system. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements John, I understand that and that's why I use Antec power supplies and cases. If you are running all of that on an Antec 350 watt ps, then I should be safe with the Antec 430 watt with my Neo2 Platinum, ATI Radeon 9200SE, 6 case fans, 4 Raptors, Sony DVD burner, 4 gb DDR400 OCZ ram, AMD 64 939 pin 3500 90nm which uses about 20 watts less than the 13 micron CPU's. The floppy drive will be removed when the RAID is up and running. I never go over the top with video cards on systems because my systems aren't used for gaming so that would be a waste. I do have an Antec 550 that will be installed when the RMA is turned around. I feel OK about loading Windows Server after hearing what you are running on an Antec 350. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements James, One thing you need to understand is that all manufacturers are not created equal. I use Antec supplies because they are a very good manufacturer and if they say X amps on a rail, it will do that. Having said that, I have several systems running an Athlon64 3+g processor, 3 gb (3 one gig sticks) RAM, 6 hard disk drives, a floppy, a CDRom and a video card. In fact the video card is one thing you MUST be aware of, the high end cards require enough juice that they may actually require an extra connector to the board (and a bigger supply). The "highest end" card I have is an ATI 9800 which is not a particularly high consumption board. I run these systems on Antec 350 watt supplies. In summary, if you suspect that you need a lot of current buy a name brand power supply, and then go for the 400w, 450w or whatever. Do NOT think that a $35 500w PS is going to cut it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements Thanks, Stuart. Now I'm really confused. I just sent an email to the manufacturer, hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. I'm assembling a system into an Antec Performance series case that has a 430 watt power supply along with an Antec 550 watt power supply as a replacement for the 430. I swapped out the power supplies and didn't notice that I received an EPS power supply instead of the ATX until I tried to plug into the motherboard. I have RMA'ed the power supply but don't want to wait to fire the system up. To err on the side of caution, I will just remove 2 gigs of ram and maybe 2 of the raptors before firing it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DDR Power requirements On 15 Jan 2005 at 15:01, James Moss wrote: > Does anyone know the power requirements of 1gb of DDR400, or how to > calculate watts required without having tons of information? > Tricky. Take a look at http://www.overclockers.com/articles696/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jan 17 03:31:25 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:31:25 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new tool In the spam war? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2179@ALCUXB> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/arbitration_new_tool_in_spam_war/ A new tool In the spam war By Ethan Preston, SecurityFocs Published Friday 14th January 2005 05:29 GMT Arbitration is part of the next wave of security measures, and can be effective against spammers who illegally harvest email addresses from a honeypot on your website, writes Ethan Preston. Anti-spammers have a new weapon in their arms race with the spammers. A robot recently rummaged through Mike Wendland's website, harvesting email addresses to spam. But, as a participant of Project Honeypot , Wendland was prepared with an anti-spam honeypot. (Project Honeypot is coordinated by Matthew Prince, CEO of unspam .) The script automatically generates bogus web pages (like this ) that contain a control email address for the robot to collect. Project Honeypot both records the robot's IP address, the date and time the bogus web page is downloaded, and also receives any email sent to the control email address. The control email addresses are unique, so the Project can positively correlate a robot's IP address and time-stamp with any spam sent to the control email addresses. The end result: Wendland was able to identify the illicit harvester, an ostensibly legitimate marketing company. By identifying illicit harvesters, Project Honeypot opens up a new front in the war on spam. Webmasters can now identify and block robots that harvest email addresses from their websites. Indeed, because the Project collects participants' data and publishes a list of IP addresses associated with spam harvesters, webmasters and ISPs can block all the harvesting robots identified through Project Honeypot. Moreover, once harvesters have been identified, they can be prosecuted and sued under the CAN SPAM Act of 2004. And the states have their own anti-spam statutes, whose penalties as seen recently can be quite severe. Given these new advances, the model license used in Project Honeypot's bogus web pages is one aspect of Project Honeypot that might get overlooked. Even though a harvester's use of a website might be illicit, the bogus web pages' license is nonetheless legally binding. This model license contains a number of interesting provisions: * The model license states that the harvester, as the owner of the robot, agrees to the license's terms when the harvester collects, stores, transfers to the third party, or sends email to, a control email address. * The model license also prohibits robots from using more system resources than a human visitor would, or from collecting or storing any email address from the participant's website. The harvester also agrees each email address on the participant's website has a $50 value. * Finally, when a harvester agrees to the web page's license, it also consents to litigate in the courts where the participant resides. The model license is meant to provide Project Honeypot's participants with effective legal remedies against harvesters. The last provision lets the Project's participants haul harvesters from anywhere in the country into the participant's local courts. This is both convenient and more economical for the Project's participants, and may put a harvesting company at a considerable disadvantage by forcing it to litigate in a distant court. But is litigation an adequate remedy against harvesters? To indulge in stereotypes for a moment, the anti-spam movement (like the computer security discipline generally) has two sides: the geeks and the lawyers. The geeks are often skeptical about the lawyers and the legal system - compared with technical solutions, the legal system is slow, expensive, uncertain and limited by national boundaries. And although geeks will applaud Project Honeypot's technical innovation, they could be skeptical about whether the Project's participants can actually collect money from harvesters that might be half way around the world. Even if a network operator obtains a judgment from a local court, enforcing a domestic judgment ( especially if the domestic court is American) in a foreign jurisdiction can be difficult and uncertain. Is arbitration the next step for computer security? What else can the lawyers add to Project Honeypot? Keep in mind that Project Honeypot has already shown a good deal of legal acumen (PDF) : once again, even though a robot's access to a Project participant's website is illicit, the robot nonetheless contractually binds its owner to the terms of the Project's model license. In turn, harvesters are liable for breaching the license, and may have to defend themselves in the Project participant's local court. But the Project's model license actually can do more: virtually every document that contains a contract can also incorporate an arbitration agreement as well. Arbitration is a dispute resolution process similar to litigation, except that the arbitrating parties privately agree to the rules of arbitration and select private individuals (called arbitrators) to administer and decide the arbitration (rather than public officials, like judges). The parties in arbitration can (within limits) use their own procedural rules to make the proceeding shorter, simpler and less expensive than litigation. Parties can also use IT professionals with training in computer security as arbitrators, rather than judges with no computer science background. Finally, arbitration agreements can provide penalties for unauthorized disclosure of information about the arbitration proceedings, while litigation is open to the public. Arbitration also has another significant advantage over litigation: most of the countries around the world have signed the New York Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards, which requires the signatory countries to recognize and enforce foreign arbitration awards except in very limited circumstances. Thus, arbitration awards can be enforced more readily than domestic court judgments. The international enforcement of arbitration awards has implications well beyond Project Honeypot. Today, most networks have some kind of contractual language in their login banners, or otherwise require users accessing the network to agree to the terms of a network license. For instance, more traditional honeypot operators use "consent banners" to insulate themselves from liability under wiretapping laws. Anywhere network operators use licenses or contracts, they can include arbitration provisions. The ability to enforce arbitration awards against foreign spammers, harvesters, and other network intruders could mean a more prominent role for the legal system in modern computer security practice. Flies in the ointment Although any contract can contain an arbitration agreement, there's a wrinkle. To be enforceable, network licenses (like Project Honeypot's model license) must be recognized as valid arbitration agreements in both the network operator's jurisdiction and the network intruder's jurisdiction. The New York Convention only requires signatory countries to recognize written arbitration agreements. Unfortunately, the New York Convention was written in 1958, and its definition of a written agreement includes contracts or arbitration agreements "signed by the parties or contained in an exchange of letters or telegrams." Fortunately, many countries have updated their arbitration laws to include electronic agreements like Project Honeypot's model license. Other countries have generally updated their contract laws, so that electronic agreements must be treated like any other written contract. Nevertheless, making sure an arbitration agreement is enforceable against a particular network intruder involves more than checking to see whether the intruder's home jurisdiction is a New York Convention signatory. Used properly, arbitration could be an important refinement of modern computer security practices - but it is not a silver bullet. Network intruders still have to be identified, and electronic arbitration agreements must be enforceable in both the network operator's jurisdiction and the network intruder's jurisdiction. Moreover, once an arbitration award is made, it still has to be enforced in network intruder's jurisdiction, where the intruder may attempt to challenge the award. Nevertheless, arbitration against network intruders can still be cheaper and more convenient than litigation, and valid arbitration awards are much easier to enforce abroad than domestic court judgments. And the options to make arbitration confidential or to use technically experienced arbitrators may also drive network operators to arbitration. At the very least, arbitration is another legal option that savvy computer security professionals need to know about. Copyright ? 2005, SecurityFocus logo Ethan Preston is an attorney in Chicago, Illinois, whose practice includes information technology, intellectual property, and privacy law. His publication credits include The Global Rise of a Duty to Disclose Information Security Breaches and Computer Security Publications: Information Economics, Shifting Liability and the First Amendment. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jan 17 03:39:04 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:39:04 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Good advice page for cleaning up after a virus Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D217A@ALCUXB> Cross posted to both lists, but I thought it would be useful for everyone. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/11/av_workshop/ Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jan 17 11:22:21 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:22:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39cb22f305011709224fc54f2b@mail.gmail.com> Gustav, >> If your system is secured by login and authentication, the userid and a timestamp should be all that is needed. << And there's the rub. This application uses SQL authentication, not Windows authentication. Thus anyone can log in from any browser anywhere using one of the valid user IDs and passwords. That's where my curiosity about gathering workstation-specific information came from: to construct a profile of the w/s that did the modifying. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:12:44 +0100, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > You can save all kinds of info but the question must be when and how > you would use it later and if you will be able to track it down if > needed - not very likely. In my opinion hardware type of info is useful > only for debugging errors. > > If your system is secured by login and authentication, the userid and a > timestamp should be all that is needed. > > /gustav > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 17 12:13:45 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification Message-ID: Hi Steve But then you just need to log which workstation the user logs into - piece of cake on a Novell network ... If the users can login in from abroad, you could retrieve the IP address but it would be the outside address of the front router not the workstation's. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 17-01-2005 18:22:21 >>> Gustav, >> If your system is secured by login and authentication, the userid and a timestamp should be all that is needed. << And there's the rub. This application uses SQL authentication, not Windows authentication. Thus anyone can log in from any browser anywhere using one of the valid user IDs and passwords. That's where my curiosity about gathering workstation-specific information came from: to construct a profile of the w/s that did the modifying. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:12:44 +0100, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > You can save all kinds of info but the question must be when and how > you would use it later and if you will be able to track it down if > needed - not very likely. In my opinion hardware type of info is useful > only for debugging errors. > > If your system is secured by login and authentication, the userid and a > timestamp should be all that is needed. > > /gustav From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 08:45:26 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:45:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39cb22f3050118064533bbb005@mail.gmail.com> Gustav, >> you could retrieve the IP address but it would be the outside address of the front router not the workstation's. << ...and that's where I see that pcpitstop.com is onto something. Its report shows both IP addresses, external and internal. I presume that the internal address is gleaned from some ActiveX control. Not that I want to mess with adding an ActiveX control to a .NET application. Well, your good sense suggestion of simply the username is what I'll wind up doing. Thanks. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:45 +0100, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > But then you just need to log which workstation the user logs into - > piece of cake on a Novell network ... > > If the users can login in from abroad, you could retrieve the IP > address but it would be the outside address of the front router not the > workstation's. > > /gustav From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 08:01:39 2005 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:01:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bluetooth on Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2179@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2179@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Hello All, I treated myself to a new Bluetooth Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard. MS Keyboard Elite and MS Intellimouse Explorer for Bluetooth. Both of them are really lovely. They installed perfectly on my home PC's (all XP Pro). On this new project that I am on, I brought them into work only to find that MS do not support the keyboard on Win2K ! Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get them to work. I did some searching this morning for 3rd party drivers but to no avail, I did come across one guy that wrote a Linux driver, but before I go down that route, I would prefer a MS solution. Cheers, Mark From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jan 20 09:29:34 2005 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:29:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bluetooth on Windows 2000 Message-ID: Mark, I tried a quick search, as you must have done, but came up empty. All of the documentation that I saw indicated that XP was a requirement. However, have you considered trying a Logitech driver? They have Bluetooth drivers that span both Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It might be worth a try... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Bluetooth on Windows 2000 Hello All, I treated myself to a new Bluetooth Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard. MS Keyboard Elite and MS Intellimouse Explorer for Bluetooth. Both of them are really lovely. They installed perfectly on my home PC's (all XP Pro). On this new project that I am on, I brought them into work only to find that MS do not support the keyboard on Win2K ! Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get them to work. I did some searching this morning for 3rd party drivers but to no avail, I did come across one guy that wrote a Linux driver, but before I go down that route, I would prefer a MS solution. Cheers, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 20 10:14:26 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:14:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification In-Reply-To: <39cb22f3050118064533bbb005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c4ff0b$1e1c70c0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I would use the username and the IP address. At least that narrows down the Jcolby to a specific location. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Workstation identification Gustav, >> you could retrieve the IP address but it would be the outside address of the front router not the workstation's. << ...and that's where I see that pcpitstop.com is onto something. Its report shows both IP addresses, external and internal. I presume that the internal address is gleaned from some ActiveX control. Not that I want to mess with adding an ActiveX control to a .NET application. Well, your good sense suggestion of simply the username is what I'll wind up doing. Thanks. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:45 +0100, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > But then you just need to log which workstation the user logs into - > piece of cake on a Novell network ... > > If the users can login in from abroad, you could retrieve the IP > address but it would be the outside address of the front router not > the workstation's. > > /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 20 19:45:17 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:45:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Keys and indexes in MySQL Message-ID: <001801c4ff5a$df39c060$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Can anyone tell me if creating an index on a field in MySQL causes it to be a "key" in their documentation or by their definition? It seems unlikely but given the nebulous definition of a key to start with, who knows? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 02:20:22 2005 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:20:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Keys and indexes in MySQL In-Reply-To: <001801c4ff5a$df39c060$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <001801c4ff5a$df39c060$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: No Idea John, but keep us informed about how you get on with mySQL, I am quite interested to know. I bought a book on it and it seemed years behind MS SQL, and with the availability of MSDE, I knocked it on the head. But do let us know, Mark On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:45:17 -0500, John W. Colby wrote: > Can anyone tell me if creating an index on a field in MySQL causes it to be > a "key" in their documentation or by their definition? It seems unlikely > but given the nebulous definition of a key to start with, who knows? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 02:22:05 2005 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:22:05 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bluetooth on Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mark, I had not, but it is an option, another choice is to use another bluetooth receiver, as my receiver is not installing correctly, maybe if that was, the keyboard would work? Mark On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:29:34 -0500, Mitsules, Mark wrote: > Mark, > > I tried a quick search, as you must have done, but came up empty. All of > the documentation that I saw indicated that XP was a requirement. However, > have you considered trying a Logitech driver? They have Bluetooth drivers > that span both Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It might be worth a try... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:02 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Bluetooth on Windows 2000 > > Hello All, > > I treated myself to a new Bluetooth Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard. MS > Keyboard Elite and MS Intellimouse Explorer for Bluetooth. Both of > them are really lovely. > > They installed perfectly on my home PC's (all XP Pro). > > On this new project that I am on, I brought them into work only to > find that MS do not support the keyboard on Win2K ! > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get them to work. I did > some searching this morning for 3rd party drivers but to no avail, I > did come across one guy that wrote a Linux driver, but before I go > down that route, I would prefer a MS solution. > > Cheers, > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 21 18:10:47 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:10:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! In-Reply-To: References: <001801c4ff5a$df39c060$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <41F226A7.32682.44B059@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How about super computing on your desktop for a couple of hundred dollars? Looks like this is what is coming from the Cell processors that Sony/Toshiba/IBM are working on. Looks like the future of computers is still rosey but may not be Intel. I do recommend you read the whole thing. The author is doing a good job of boiling it down for the less technical types. -------------------------Quote--------------------------------- The Cell architecture is essentially a general purpose PowerPC CPU with a set of 8 very high performance vector processors and a fast memory and I / O system, this is coupled with a very clever task distribution system which allows ad-hoc clusters to be set up. What is not immediately apparent is the aggressiveness of the design. The lack of cache and runtime virtual memory system is highly unusual and has not done on any modern general purpose CPU in the last 20 years. It can only be compared with the sorts of designs Seymour Cray produced. The Cell is not only going to be very fast, but because of the highly aggressive design the rest of the industry is going to have a very hard time catching up with it*. To sum up there's really only one way of saying it: This system isn't just going to rock, it's going to play German heavy metal. ---------------------End Quote-------------------------------- -- Stuart From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 21 23:13:46 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:13:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! In-Reply-To: <41F226A7.32682.44B059@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006a01c50041$2a7f30a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Uhhh... A url to get at the article? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! How about super computing on your desktop for a couple of hundred dollars? Looks like this is what is coming from the Cell processors that Sony/Toshiba/IBM are working on. Looks like the future of computers is still rosey but may not be Intel. I do recommend you read the whole thing. The author is doing a good job of boiling it down for the less technical types. -------------------------Quote--------------------------------- The Cell architecture is essentially a general purpose PowerPC CPU with a set of 8 very high performance vector processors and a fast memory and I / O system, this is coupled with a very clever task distribution system which allows ad-hoc clusters to be set up. What is not immediately apparent is the aggressiveness of the design. The lack of cache and runtime virtual memory system is highly unusual and has not done on any modern general purpose CPU in the last 20 years. It can only be compared with the sorts of designs Seymour Cray produced. The Cell is not only going to be very fast, but because of the highly aggressive design the rest of the industry is going to have a very hard time catching up with it*. To sum up there's really only one way of saying it: This system isn't just going to rock, it's going to play German heavy metal. ---------------------End Quote-------------------------------- -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 21 23:24:37 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:24:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! In-Reply-To: <006a01c50041$2a7f30a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <41F226A7.32682.44B059@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41F27035.32344.163FEA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 22 Jan 2005 at 0:13, John W. Colby wrote: > Uhhh... A url to get at the article? > Oops! http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html -- Stuart From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 22 21:32:55 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:32:55 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Message-ID: I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal licenced copy of Office... We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be getting on with for most of us... Jon From djkr at msn.com Sun Jan 23 04:50:22 2005 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:50:22 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone to BUY an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a different matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. PC World? Shame on you! ;-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real > legal licenced copy of Office... > > We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth > out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 > for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the > upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences > because it's the educational version. There are NO > DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's > less than a quarter of the price. > > My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, > but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or > teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back > next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's > interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth > giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, > Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > getting on with for most of us... > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 23 08:24:37 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c50157$49154380$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought student licenses for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online store before they would fill the order. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone to BUY an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a different matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. PC World? Shame on you! ;-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real > legal licenced copy of Office... > > We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth > out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 > for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the > upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences > because it's the educational version. There are NO > DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's > less than a quarter of the price. > > My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, > but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or > teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back > next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's > interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth > giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, > Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > getting on with for most of us... > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 23 10:12:27 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! In-Reply-To: <41F27035.32344.163FEA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000c01c50166$55204f80$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I'll take two. My folding scores need it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] I want one - now! On 22 Jan 2005 at 0:13, John W. Colby wrote: > Uhhh... A url to get at the article? > Oops! http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jan 23 13:15:11 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:15:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 References: <000b01c50157$49154380$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in the > house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you unless > that > is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought student > licenses > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > store before they would fill the order. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > Robinson > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone to > BUY > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > different > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > John > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 >> >> >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real >> legal licenced copy of Office... >> >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth >> out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 >> for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the >> upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences >> because it's the educational version. There are NO >> DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's >> less than a quarter of the price. >> >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, >> but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or >> teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back >> next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's >> interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth >> giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, >> Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be >> getting on with for most of us... >> >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 23 13:44:17 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. >From the Amazon page: The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: - Excel 2003 - Outlook 2003 - Powerpoint 2003 - Word 2003 What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly necessary for students. Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not qualify for the discount). If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft website] for more information. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > student licenses > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > store before they would fill the order. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > Robinson > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > to > BUY > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > different > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > John > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 >> >> >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal >> licenced copy of Office... >> >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. >> >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be >> getting on with for most of us... >> >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sun Jan 23 13:51:32 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:51:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200501231351281.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> There's a student version of most versions "Office Professional" included. My nephews have gotten that here for something around $90. They also picked up Adobe Creative Suite for about 1/10th the retail value. I've also known people who picked up Autocad, Arcview and other high items for next to nothing. Unfotunately the only software I ever bout for student prices was Borland's Turbo C++... John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in the > house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you unless > that > is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought student > licenses > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > store before they would fill the order. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > Robinson > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone to > BUY > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > different > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > John > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 >> >> >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real >> legal licenced copy of Office... >> >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth >> out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 >> for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the >> upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences >> because it's the educational version. There are NO >> DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's >> less than a quarter of the price. >> >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, >> but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or >> teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back >> next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's >> interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth >> giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, >> Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be >> getting on with for most of us... >> >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 23 15:09:58 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:09:58 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We haven't opened it yet to read the small print but both my parents work in a school, my mum's a teacher and my dad is a technology technician, so they both qualify. I know, I know... I didn't buy anything else though. That was the first time I've been in a pc shop and left without wanting to buy anything else... what a strange feeling... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 23 January 2005 10:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone to BUY an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a different matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. PC World? Shame on you! ;-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real > legal licenced copy of Office... > > We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth > out now) and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 > for Standard Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the > upgrade version, buy the same product for ?80 with 3 licences > because it's the educational version. There are NO > DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead of 1 and it's > less than a quarter of the price. > > My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, > but we weren't asked to prove that we were students or > teachers or anything, so I think I'm going to have to go back > next week with orders for some friends... So if anyone's > interested, and fancies their chances, it might be worth > giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, Word, > Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > getting on with for most of us... > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From dba.email at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 06:46:42 2005 From: dba.email at gmail.com (Admin Sparky) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <5f2de24205012404461b7bebdc@mail.gmail.com> ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full version for $20...it's called the home use program. The Office Pro 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people to see if their company participates in this program. Mark On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby wrote: > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > >From the Amazon page: > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > - Excel 2003 > - Outlook 2003 > - Powerpoint 2003 > - Word 2003 > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly > necessary for students. > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for > non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for > instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not > qualify for the discount). > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your > school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > website] for more information. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > > student licenses > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > Robinson > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > to > > BUY > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > > different > > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > John > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > >> > >> > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal > >> licenced copy of Office... > >> > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the > >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational > >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead > >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. > >> > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for > >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > >> getting on with for most of us... > >> > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jan 25 08:50:17 2005 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:50:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files Message-ID: Hi All, A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet Files folder from the default folder to one I named System Operations with a folder under that called Temporary Internet Files. I would like to go back to the default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> Internet Options, it won't let me change the location of the files, in addition it won't let me delete the system operations folder either. Any ideas. (win98) Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 10:51:46 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <5f2de24205012404461b7bebdc@mail.gmail.com> References: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> <5f2de24205012404461b7bebdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent story all together. On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of people. > My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with Microsoft that > includes "software assurance". Part of that agreement is the ability > for any employee to purchase the full version for $20...it's called > the home use program. The Office Pro 2003 package includes the normal > plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, and InfoPath. It might be worth a > look to some people to see if their company participates in this > program. > > Mark > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > wrote: > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > - Excel 2003 > > - Outlook 2003 > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > - Word 2003 > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly > > necessary for students. > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for > > non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for > > instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not > > qualify for the discount). > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your > > school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > website] for more information. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John W. Colby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > > > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > > > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > > > student licenses > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > > Robinson > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > > to > > > BUY > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > > > different > > > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > >> > > >> > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal > > >> licenced copy of Office... > > >> > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the > > >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational > > >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead > > >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. > > >> > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for > > >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > >> > > >> > > >> Jon > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 25 13:33:02 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:33:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501251333997.SM03588@ScuzzPaq> Ed, If you go into Internet Options | Tools | | General - Temporary Internet [Settings] and [Move Folder]... Does that not work? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files Hi All, A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet Files folder from the default folder to one I named System Operations with a folder under that called Temporary Internet Files. I would like to go back to the default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> Internet Options, it won't let me change the location of the files, in addition it won't let me delete the system operations folder either. Any ideas. (win98) Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jan 25 13:40:53 2005 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:40:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files Message-ID: Nope, it's grayed out, won't let me do it. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:33 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Ed, > If you go into Internet Options | Tools | | General - > Temporary Internet > [Settings] and [Move Folder]... > > Does that not work? > > > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Hi All, > A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet > Files folder > from the default folder to one I named System Operations with > a folder under > that called Temporary Internet Files. I would like to go back to the > default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> Internet > Options, it > won't let me change the location of the files, in addition it > won't let me > delete the system operations folder either. Any ideas. (win98) > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State > OASAS 1450 > Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 25 14:44:09 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:44:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501251443583.SM07176@ScuzzPaq> Is this at work? If so do they have it disabled? Many of the menu/toolbar items can be disabled via policies. Maybe they just initiated the policy? Nother possibility is try the repair feature of the install/unistall applet. You could also edit the registry. In WXP: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings And HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings Hold these settings. Otherwise, since its win98 you could go in through DOS and remove the existing folder. It will, of course, be putsy but it could be done. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files Nope, it's grayed out, won't let me do it. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:33 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Ed, > If you go into Internet Options | Tools | | General - Temporary > Internet [Settings] and [Move Folder]... > > Does that not work? > > > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Hi All, > A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet Files > folder from the default folder to one I named System Operations with a > folder under that called Temporary Internet Files. I would like to go > back to the default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> > Internet Options, it won't let me change the location of the files, in > addition it won't let me delete the system operations folder either. > Any ideas. (win98) > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jan 25 15:08:00 2005 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:08:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files Message-ID: No, it's on my home desktop. I initially moved it so I could monitor what sites were being hit but that's no longer necessary. BUT, John you're right Win98, go to the dos window and wack that folder. Why didn't I think of that??? That's why we have these lists...;o) I'll give that a try when I get home. Thanks! Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Is this at work? If so do they have it disabled? Many of the > menu/toolbar > items can be disabled via policies. Maybe they just initiated > the policy? > > Nother possibility is try the repair feature of the > install/unistall applet. > > > You could also edit the registry. In WXP: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet > Settings > And > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet > Settings > Hold these settings. > > Otherwise, since its win98 you could go in through DOS and remove the > existing folder. It will, of course, be putsy but it could be done. > > HTH > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Nope, it's grayed out, won't let me do it. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > > Bartow > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:33 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > > > Ed, > > If you go into Internet Options | Tools | | General - Temporary > > Internet [Settings] and [Move Folder]... > > > > Does that not work? > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:50 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > > > Hi All, > > A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet Files > > folder from the default folder to one I named System > Operations with a > > folder under that called Temporary Internet Files. I would > like to go > > back to the default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> > > Internet Options, it won't let me change the location of > the files, in > > addition it won't let me delete the system operations > folder either. > > Any ideas. (win98) > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 26 08:55:27 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:55:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501260855156.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Two heads are better than one? :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files No, it's on my home desktop. I initially moved it so I could monitor what sites were being hit but that's no longer necessary. BUT, John you're right Win98, go to the dos window and wack that folder. Why didn't I think of that??? That's why we have these lists...;o) I'll give that a try when I get home. Thanks! Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Is this at work? If so do they have it disabled? Many of the > menu/toolbar items can be disabled via policies. Maybe they just > initiated the policy? > > Nother possibility is try the repair feature of the install/unistall > applet. > > > You could also edit the registry. In WXP: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet > Settings > And > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet > Settings > Hold these settings. > > Otherwise, since its win98 you could go in through DOS and remove the > existing folder. It will, of course, be putsy but it could be done. > > HTH > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:41 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > Nope, it's grayed out, won't let me do it. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > > Bartow > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:33 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > > > Ed, > > If you go into Internet Options | Tools | | General - Temporary > > Internet [Settings] and [Move Folder]... > > > > Does that not work? > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:50 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Temporary Internet Files > > > > Hi All, > > A while ago I changed the location of my Temporary Internet Files > > folder from the default folder to one I named System > Operations with a > > folder under that called Temporary Internet Files. I would > like to go > > back to the default but it won't let me, if you go to Tools--> > > Internet Options, it won't let me change the location of > the files, in > > addition it won't let me delete the system operations > folder either. > > Any ideas. (win98) > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dba.email at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 11:27:32 2005 From: dba.email at gmail.com (Admin Sparky) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:27:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> <5f2de24205012404461b7bebdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f2de24205012609271e92bed6@mail.gmail.com> Francisco, Watch for line wrap. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/home_use_rights.mspx Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will get their money one way or another;) Mark On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a > program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent > story all together. > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of people. > > My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with Microsoft that > > includes "software assurance". Part of that agreement is the ability > > for any employee to purchase the full version for $20...it's called > > the home use program. The Office Pro 2003 package includes the normal > > plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, and InfoPath. It might be worth a > > look to some people to see if their company participates in this > > program. > > > > Mark > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > wrote: > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > - Excel 2003 > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly > > > necessary for students. > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for > > > non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for > > > instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not > > > qualify for the discount). > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your > > > school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic > > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > > > > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > > > > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > > > > student licenses > > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > > > Robinson > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > > > to > > > > BUY > > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > > > > different > > > > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal > > > >> licenced copy of Office... > > > >> > > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) > > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the > > > >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational > > > >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead > > > >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. > > > >> > > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we > > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for > > > >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, > > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 10:26:16 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:16 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] is ChkDsk not working? Message-ID: I have a Windows XP machine in my hands right now, I did a chkdsk c: /F and while it did go out and scan everthing, when I went to attempt a SP2 update some files could not be backedup when I clicked on the files to manually back them up I received the CRC error message for these files.... I thought ChkDsk is supposed to fix these things... am I wrong? -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 27 11:20:44 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:20:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Message-ID: <200501271120796.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jan 27 11:24:55 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:24:55 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2238@ALCUXB> Yeah, it's cos acrobat 6 looks at the internet for updates each time you open it. There must be a way to turn that off somewhere. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 27 January 2005 17:21 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Jan 27 11:26:26 2005 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <200501271120796.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: Go into your program files folder, then Adobe, then 6.0, then reader, then move the plugins you don't want into the optional folder. That'll speed things up. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 27 11:29:21 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:29:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <27928014.1106846659094.JavaMail.root@sniper18.securence.com> Message-ID: <003b01c50495$bd401960$de1811d8@danwaters> John, I've had a problem where FrontPage 2003 tried to open PDF's instead. Eventually Acrobat 6 would open the file. I removed FrontPage 2003 since I wasn't using it. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Jan 27 11:40:24 2005 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:40:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30AC61EF@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE736@ADGSERVER> Mine pops up a dialog box each time to ask if it can check. There is a checkbox saying something to the effect "never check" on that dialog. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Yeah, it's cos acrobat 6 looks at the internet for updates each time you open it. There must be a way to turn that off somewhere. Jon From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Jan 27 12:33:13 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:33:13 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a201c5049e$a8cba770$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> I've got loads of stuff in the Reader\plug_ins folder, inc some sub-folders, and then a couple of files in a Reader\SPPlugins folder. Any clues as to what's safe and desirable to move Drew? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 27 January 2005 17:26 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > Go into your program files folder, then Adobe, then 6.0, then > reader, then move the plugins you don't want into the > optional folder. That'll speed things up. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than > molasses in thier browser? > > I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. > > John B. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Jan 27 12:49:21 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:49:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] is ChkDsk not working? References: Message-ID: <41F937B1.6080605@shaw.ca> I usually run chkdsk from safe mode and I run chkdsk first then chkdsk /F Just maybe you have some corrupt system files, so restore from your XP cd You could try this "scannow" Every thing you wanted to know about but were afraid to ask about scannow Read this article first to explain any surprises and how windows xp dll updates are saved and stored. http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html Put WinXp CD in drive so it will be available, then Click Start click Run type sfc /scannow hit enter Still have problems One place to check is the XP forums at http://www.windowsbbs.com Francisco Tapia wrote: >I have a Windows XP machine in my hands right now, I did a chkdsk c: >/F and while it did go out and scan everthing, when I went to attempt >a SP2 update some files could not be backedup when I clicked on the >files to manually back them up I received the CRC error message for >these files.... I thought ChkDsk is supposed to fix these things... am >I wrong? > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Subscriptions at servicexp.com Thu Jan 27 13:42:43 2005 From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:42:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE In-Reply-To: <41F937B1.6080605@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 27 13:55:56 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:55:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE In-Reply-To: <7821164.1106855092604.JavaMail.root@sniper21.securence.com> Message-ID: <004b01c504aa$37324540$de1811d8@danwaters> Robert, I have installed IntelliPoint 4.12 and it did work for me. I'm using a Fellowes wired optical mouse, Windows XP, and Access XP. Did you uninstall the previous version of IntelliPoint first? I think that's necessary. Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 27 16:04:19 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE736@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <200501271604656.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> I did the same some time ago. I still have acrotray running in my task list but I assumed that was a helper for the web browser plugin. Maybe not. I shouldn't assume... John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Mine pops up a dialog box each time to ask if it can check. There is a checkbox saying something to the effect "never check" on that dialog. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Yeah, it's cos acrobat 6 looks at the internet for updates each time you open it. There must be a way to turn that off somewhere. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 27 16:04:19 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501271604281.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Thanks suggestion. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Go into your program files folder, then Adobe, then 6.0, then reader, then move the plugins you don't want into the optional folder. That'll speed things up. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 27 16:04:19 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <00a201c5049e$a8cba770$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <200501271604765.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Same here. I though BHO's were a mess. I wonder if there are any add-in managers for acrobat reader? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 I've got loads of stuff in the Reader\plug_ins folder, inc some sub-folders, and then a couple of files in a Reader\SPPlugins folder. Any clues as to what's safe and desirable to move Drew? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 27 January 2005 17:26 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > Go into your program files folder, then Adobe, then 6.0, then reader, > then move the plugins you don't want into the optional folder. > That'll speed things up. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in > thier browser? > > I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. > > John B. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 16:06:23 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:06:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <200501271604765.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> References: <00a201c5049e$a8cba770$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> <200501271604765.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: ... Acrobat Reader 7 is ultra fast... On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:19 -0600, John Bartow wrote: > Same here. I though BHO's were a mess. I wonder if there are any add-in > managers for acrobat reader? > > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:33 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > I've got loads of stuff in the Reader\plug_ins folder, inc some sub-folders, > and then a couple of files in a Reader\SPPlugins folder. Any clues as to > what's safe and desirable to move Drew? > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > > Sent: 27 January 2005 17:26 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > > > > Go into your program files folder, then Adobe, then 6.0, then reader, > > then move the plugins you don't want into the optional folder. > > That'll speed things up. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:21 AM > > To: _DBA-Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > > > > > Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in > > thier browser? > > > > I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. > > > > John B. > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 16:07:09 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:07:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <5f2de24205012609271e92bed6@mail.gmail.com> References: <00ac01c5017f$dc947b80$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <001101c50183$ef9d63a0$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> <5f2de24205012404461b7bebdc@mail.gmail.com> <5f2de24205012609271e92bed6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you :) On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:27:32 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > Francisco, > > Watch for line wrap. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/home_use_rights.mspx > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will get > their money one way or another;) > > Mark > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent > > story all together. > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of people. > > > My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with Microsoft that > > > includes "software assurance". Part of that agreement is the ability > > > for any employee to purchase the full version for $20...it's called > > > the home use program. The Office Pro 2003 package includes the normal > > > plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, and InfoPath. It might be worth a > > > look to some people to see if their company participates in this > > > program. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > > wrote: > > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > > - Excel 2003 > > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that > > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly > > > > necessary for students. > > > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for > > > > non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a > > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a > > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There > > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still > > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to > > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for > > > > instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload > > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not > > > > qualify for the discount). > > > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your > > > > school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic > > > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get > > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > > > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > > > > > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > > > > > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > > > > > student licenses > > > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > > > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > > > > Robinson > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > > > > to > > > > > BUY > > > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > > > > > different > > > > > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > > > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal > > > > >> licenced copy of Office... > > > > >> > > > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) > > > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > > > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the > > > > >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational > > > > >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead > > > > >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. > > > > >> > > > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we > > > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > > > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for > > > > >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, > > > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > > > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > > > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Jon > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Thu Jan 27 16:19:31 2005 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:31 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC333@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Its not just that - V6 was buggy from the beginning. V7 is out now and loads much faster (partly because it apparently loads a bit of itself into memory upon startup). We've just started rolling it out in our organisation and have had no problems as yet. Cheers, A -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 3:55 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Yeah, it's cos acrobat 6 looks at the internet for updates each time you open it. There must be a way to turn that off somewhere. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 27 January 2005 17:21 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in thier browser? I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email any any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 18:05:35 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:05:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC333@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC333@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: I did notice the pre-loader in the startup folder, but it doesn't seem to give me any performance hits on boot up... On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:31 +1030, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > Its not just that - V6 was buggy from the beginning. > > V7 is out now and loads much faster (partly because it apparently loads > a bit of itself into memory upon startup). We've just started rolling > it out in our organisation and have had no problems as yet. > > Cheers, > A > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 3:55 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > Yeah, it's cos acrobat 6 looks at the internet for updates each time you > open it. There must be a way to turn that off somewhere. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 27 January 2005 17:21 > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 > > Anyone else have a problem with pdfs opening slower than molasses in > thier browser? > > I never had this issue until I upgraded to Acrobat 6. > > John B. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email any any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 18:33:44 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:33:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] is ChkDsk not working? In-Reply-To: <41F937B1.6080605@shaw.ca> References: <41F937B1.6080605@shaw.ca> Message-ID: that's very good thanks for the info... I don't want to upgrade the pc to SP2 if it has bad blocks on it that it has not identified... :) On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:49:21 -0800, MartyConnelly wrote: > I usually run chkdsk from safe mode and > I run chkdsk first > then chkdsk /F > > Just maybe you have some corrupt system files, so restore from your XP cd > You could try this "scannow" > > Every thing you wanted to know about but were afraid to ask about scannow > Read this article first to explain any surprises and how windows xp dll > updates are saved and stored. > > http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html > > Put WinXp CD in drive so it will be available, then > > Click Start > click Run > type > > sfc /scannow > > hit enter > > Still have problems > One place to check is the XP forums at > http://www.windowsbbs.com > > Francisco Tapia wrote: > > >I have a Windows XP machine in my hands right now, I did a chkdsk c: > >/F and while it did go out and scan everthing, when I went to attempt > >a SP2 update some files could not be backedup when I clicked on the > >files to manually back them up I received the CRC error message for > >these files.... I thought ChkDsk is supposed to fix these things... am > >I wrong? > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Jan 28 00:33:12 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:33:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] is ChkDsk not working? In-Reply-To: References: <41F937B1.6080605@shaw.ca> Message-ID: well i got home and tried one more time to chk disk, this time via the GUI app in computer management... it went and did a full hdd scan including a surface scan that fixed the pc good and am now back on my way to applying SP2 On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:33:44 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > that's very good thanks for the info... I don't want to upgrade the pc > to SP2 if it has bad blocks on it that it has not identified... :) > > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:49:21 -0800, MartyConnelly wrote: > > I usually run chkdsk from safe mode and > > I run chkdsk first > > then chkdsk /F > > > > Just maybe you have some corrupt system files, so restore from your XP cd > > You could try this "scannow" > > > > Every thing you wanted to know about but were afraid to ask about scannow > > Read this article first to explain any surprises and how windows xp dll > > updates are saved and stored. > > > > http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html > > > > Put WinXp CD in drive so it will be available, then > > > > Click Start > > click Run > > type > > > > sfc /scannow > > > > hit enter > > > > Still have problems > > One place to check is the XP forums at > > http://www.windowsbbs.com > > > > Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > > >I have a Windows XP machine in my hands right now, I did a chkdsk c: > > >/F and while it did go out and scan everthing, when I went to attempt > > >a SP2 update some files could not be backedup when I clicked on the > > >files to manually back them up I received the CRC error message for > > >these files.... I thought ChkDsk is supposed to fix these things... am > > >I wrong? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marty Connelly > > Victoria, B.C. > > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 28 02:20:05 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:20:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Message-ID: Hi Andy et all This is for you, Adobe Reader Speedup: http://www.tnk-bootblock.co.uk/prods/misc/ /gustav >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 27-01-2005 19:33:13 >>> I've got loads of stuff in the Reader\plug_ins folder, inc some sub-folders, and then a couple of files in a Reader\SPPlugins folder. Any clues as to what's safe and desirable to move Drew? From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jan 28 02:30:36 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 9:30:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Message-ID: <20050128093033.F36EA2BF006@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Terrific. Thanks Gustav. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Acrobat 6 Date: 28/01/05 08:21 > > Hi Andy et all > > This is for you, Adobe Reader Speedup: > > http://www.tnk-bootblock.co.uk/prods/misc/ > > /gustav > > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 27-01-2005 19:33:13 >>> > I've got loads of stuff in the Readerplug_ins folder, inc some > sub-folders, > and then a couple of files in a ReaderSPPlugins folder. Any clues as > to > what's safe and desirable to move Drew? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 28 09:19:04 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:19:04 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D224B@ALCUXB> Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Francisco, Watch for line wrap. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/home_use_rights. mspx Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will get their money one way or another;) Mark On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a > program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent > story all together. > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of people. > > My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with Microsoft that > > includes "software assurance". Part of that agreement is the ability > > for any employee to purchase the full version for $20...it's called > > the home use program. The Office Pro 2003 package includes the normal > > plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, and InfoPath. It might be worth a > > look to some people to see if their company participates in this > > program. > > > > Mark > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > wrote: > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > - Excel 2003 > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 version that > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be particularly > > > necessary for students. > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only for > > > non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as you are 1) a > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, or 4) a > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars more. There > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this is still > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software on up to > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies (for > > > instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, you can upload > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do not > > > qualify for the discount). > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting your > > > school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft offers academic > > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you can get > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs Access. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to teacher in > > > > the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to sell it to you > > > > unless that is true and are supposed to require a school id. I bought > > > > student licenses > > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to the online > > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > > > Robinson > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > > > to > > > > BUY > > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be a > > > > different > > > > matter - which is what the licence probably covers. I'd be interested to > > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real legal > > > >> licenced copy of Office... > > > >> > > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth out now) > > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy the > > > >> same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the educational > > > >> version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 licences instead > > > >> of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the price. > > > >> > > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, but we > > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders for > > > >> some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies their chances, > > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 28 09:31:19 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:31:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D224B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <002301c5054e$6e29d370$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Jon, I use XP SP2 on all my machines now. It is completely stable and functions well. The only gotcha is that their firewall is turned on by default and gets in the way of many things. The first thing you need to do is turn it off, as well as the service that checks that you are "protected", then make ser you are either behind a firewall or running a software firewall (zone alarm for example), plus norton etc. But of course you probably already have that. XP is where all their focus lies and will get the fixes first. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Francisco, Watch for line wrap. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/home_use_rights. mspx Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will get their money one way or another;) Mark On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a > program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent > story all together. > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The Office Pro > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people to see if > > their company participates in this program. > > > > Mark > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > wrote: > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > - Excel 2003 > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 > > > version that > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be > > > particularly necessary for students. > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only > > > for non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as > > > you are 1) a > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, > > > or 4) a > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars > > > more. There > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this > > > is still > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software > > > on up to > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies > > > (for instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, > > > you can upload > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do > > > not qualify for the discount). > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting > > > your school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft > > > offers academic > > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you > > > can get > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? Occurs to me that I > > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs > > > Access. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to > > > > teacher in the house to USE the copy. They are not supposed to > > > > sell it to you unless that is true and are supposed to require a > > > > school id. I bought > > > > student licenses > > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my student id to > > > > the online > > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) > > > > Robinson > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for anyone > > > > to > > > > BUY > > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it however may be > > > > a different matter - which is what the licence probably covers. > > > > I'd be interested to > > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real > > > >> legal licenced copy of Office... > > > >> > > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth > > > >> out now) > > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 for Standard > > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade version, buy > > > >> the same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the > > > >> educational version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except you get 3 > > > >> licences instead of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the > > > >> price. > > > >> > > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his ID on him, > > > >> but we > > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or anything, > > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week with orders > > > >> for some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies > > > >> their chances, > > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your money you get Excel, > > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than enough to be > > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 28 09:46:00 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:46:00 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D224E@ALCUXB> That's what I thought. I've got Zonealarm and a Router with NAT so I should be ok on that front. I think I've even got all the software should any reinstallation be required :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 28 January 2005 15:31 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Jon, I use XP SP2 on all my machines now. It is completely stable and functions well. The only gotcha is that their firewall is turned on by default and gets in the way of many things. The first thing you need to do is turn it off, as well as the service that checks that you are "protected", then make ser you are either behind a firewall or running a software firewall (zone alarm for example), plus norton etc. But of course you probably already have that. XP is where all their focus lies and will get the fixes first. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Francisco, Watch for line wrap. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/home_use_rights. mspx Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will get their money one way or another;) Mark On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, however if a > program was available at the price listed here man that's a diffrent > story all together. > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky wrote: > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The Office Pro > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people to see if > > their company participates in this program. > > > > Mark > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > wrote: > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever product you > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the features you want. > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 is basically identical > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > - Excel 2003 > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the professional and small business > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 > > > version that > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be > > > particularly necessary for students. > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office 2003 is only > > > for non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as > > > you are 1) a > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) home-schooled, > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited college/university, > > > or 4) a > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at a school. > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you remember > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars > > > more. There > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic version, but this > > > is still > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use the software > > > on up to > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies > > > (for instance, if you have a child who qualifies for this version, > > > you can upload > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even if you do > > > not qualify for the discount). > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would suggest visiting > > > your school bookstore before purchasing this software. Microsoft > > > offers academic > > > volume licensing through a lot of colleges/universities, where you > > > can get > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out [Microsoft > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 28 09:50:02 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:50:02 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP Hard drives Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2250@ALCUXB> I don't know how true it is, but one of my suppliers just called me to tell me that he'd heard a rumour that HP had "lost" their Hard Drive factory in Tunisia due to a flood. It might well be a sales pitch, but if any of you were thinking of buying hard drives in the next few weeks, I'd say sooner rather than later would be an idea, especially given what happened to the prices of memory a few years back when they lost those factories in Taiwan. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From djkr at msn.com Fri Jan 28 10:05:23 2005 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:05:23 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D224B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Hi Jon Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small impecunious outfit that could really use that! John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade > for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my > P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got > a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can > back it up... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Francisco, > > Watch for line wrap. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > me_use_rights. > mspx > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software > Assurance program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they > will get their money one way or another;) > > > Mark > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > wrote: > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > however if a > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > diffrent > > story all together. > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > wrote: > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > Office Pro > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people to see if > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:17 -0500, John W. Colby > > > wrote: > > > > You have to look at the features in whatever version of whatever > product you > > > > are talking about to see if the version contains the > features you > want. > > > > >From the Amazon page: > > > > > > > > The Microsoft Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 > is basically > identical > > > > to their standard Microsoft Office 2003. It contains: > > > > - Excel 2003 > > > > - Outlook 2003 > > > > - Powerpoint 2003 > > > > - Word 2003 > > > > > > > > What it does NOT contain (compared with the > professional and small > business > > > > versions) is Access 2003, Publisher 2003 and the Outlook 2003 > > > > version > that > > > > has a Business Contact Manager - none of which would be > > > > particularly necessary for students. > > > > > > > > Microsoft stresses that this version of their Office > 2003 is only > > > > for non-commercial use. You qualify for this edition so long as > > > > you are 1) > a > > > > full- or part-time student enrolled in a K-12 institution, 2) > home-schooled, > > > > 3) taking at least 6 credits at an accredited > college/university, > > > > or > 4) a > > > > full- or part-time faculty member and work 20+ hours at > a school. > > > > > > > > It retails at the Amazon price, which seems like a lot until you > remember > > > > that the Standard version is sold for over two hundred dollars > > > > more. > There > > > > is no discounted upgrade price for the academic > version, but this > > > > is > still > > > > probably the best price you can get. AND you can use > the software > > > > on > up to > > > > three computers, so long as someone in your household qualifies > > > > (for instance, if you have a child who qualifies for > this version, > > > > you can > upload > > > > it onto your computer as well and use the software even > if you do > > > > not qualify for the discount). > > > > > > > > If you are a college/university student, I would > suggest visiting > > > > your school bookstore before purchasing this software. > Microsoft > > > > offers > academic > > > > volume licensing through a lot of > colleges/universities, where you > > > > can > get > > > > the same software for up to 70% off if you qualify. Check out > [Microsoft > > > > website] for more information. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:15 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > But does the student/teacher version include Access? > Occurs to me > that I > > > > have a student in the house with an I.D. But I think he needs > > > > Access. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:24 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > In fact what it says is that there has to be a student to > > > > > teacher in the house to USE the copy. They are not > supposed to > > > > > sell it to you unless that is true and are supposed > to require a > > > > > school id. I > bought > > > > > student licenses > > > > > for XP and visual studio .net and I had to fax my > student id to > > > > > the > online > > > > > store before they would fill the order. > > > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > > > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > DJK(John) > > > > > Robinson > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:50 AM > > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit rusty on the small print, but I think it's legal for > anyone > > > > > to > > > > > BUY > > > > > an educational version. Installing and USING it > however may be > > > > > a different matter - which is what the licence > probably covers. > > > > > I'd be > interested to > > > > > know how you and your friends qualify in this respect. > > > > > > > > > > PC World? Shame on you! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Jon > Tydda > > > > >> Sent: 23 January 2005 03:33 > > > > >> To: Dba-Tech; dba-OT > > > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I did a very unusual thing today - I bought an actual real > > > > >> legal licenced copy of Office... > > > > >> > > > > >> We were in a shop (PC world, sorry I'll go and wash my mouth > > > > >> out > now) > > > > >> and we saw this incredible offer: instead of ?350 > for Standard > > > > >> Edition with one licence, or ?150 for the upgrade > version, buy > > > > >> the same product for ?80 with 3 licences because it's the > > > > >> educational version. There are NO DIFFERENCES except > you get 3 > > > > >> licences instead of 1 and it's less than a quarter of the > > > > >> price. > > > > >> > > > > >> My dad works in a school, and happened to have his > ID on him, > > > > >> but > we > > > > >> weren't asked to prove that we were students or teachers or > anything, > > > > >> so I think I'm going to have to go back next week > with orders > > > > >> for some friends... So if anyone's interested, and fancies > > > > >> their > chances, > > > > >> it might be worth giving this a look... for your > money you get > Excel, > > > > >> Word, Outlook and Powerpoint, but that's more than > enough to be > > > > >> getting on with for most of us... > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Jon > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 28 10:30:22 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:30:22 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2255@ALCUXB> Amazon believe it or not... search for "Windows" and "Student" and it's one of the first entries. It's the upgrade version only, so you've got to have an OS installed (9x, me, 2k all work). Jon -----Original Message----- From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] Sent: 28 January 2005 16:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Hi Jon Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small impecunious outfit that could really use that! John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade > for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my > P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got > a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can > back it up... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Francisco, > > Watch for line wrap. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > me_use_rights. > mspx > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software > Assurance program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they > will get their money one way or another;) > > > Mark > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > wrote: > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > however if a > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > diffrent > > story all together. > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > wrote: > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > Office Pro > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, Publisher, > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people to see if > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > Mark The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From djkr at msn.com Fri Jan 28 11:11:25 2005 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:25 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2255@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Ah, the Student Edition. No they don't qualify for it, being merely a poor, struggling company - and sharing my professional integrity. So it's going to have to be the OEM edition at about ?92, and which they do qualify for. Thanks anyway John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:30 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Amazon believe it or not... search for "Windows" and > "Student" and it's one of the first entries. It's the upgrade > version only, so you've got to have an OS installed (9x, me, > 2k all work). > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:05 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Hi Jon > > Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small > impecunious outfit that could really use that! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade > > for ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my > > P3-700 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got > > a LOT of stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can > > back it up... > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Francisco, > > > > Watch for line wrap. > > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > > me_use_rights. > > mspx > > > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software > > Assurance program. > > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they > > will get their money one way or another;) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > > > wrote: > > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > > however if a > > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > > diffrent > > > story all together. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > > > wrote: > > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > > Office Pro > > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, > Publisher, > > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people > to see if > > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 28 11:38:11 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:38:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c50560$22edb450$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> You do know about the Microsoft partner program? $ 300 buys you a TON of software, with 10 licenses for each app. Office professional, Windows XP, SQL Server, IIS Server, and many many more. This is for resellers of MS software or developers of apps that use MS software (Access for example). I bought that package, and now all 6 of my machines have legal copies of OfficeXP, WindowsXP, a couple of machines have SQL Server 2000 etc. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Ah, the Student Edition. No they don't qualify for it, being merely a poor, struggling company - and sharing my professional integrity. So it's going to have to be the OEM edition at about ?92, and which they do qualify for. Thanks anyway John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:30 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Amazon believe it or not... search for "Windows" and > "Student" and it's one of the first entries. It's the upgrade > version only, so you've got to have an OS installed (9x, me, > 2k all work). > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:05 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Hi Jon > > Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small > impecunious outfit that could really use that! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for > > ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 > > 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of > > stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Francisco, > > > > Watch for line wrap. > > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > > me_use_rights. > > mspx > > > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software Assurance > > program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will > > get their money one way or another;) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > > > wrote: > > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > > however if a > > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > > diffrent > > > story all together. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > > > wrote: > > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase the full > > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > > Office Pro > > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, > Publisher, > > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people > to see if > > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Fri Jan 28 12:05:05 2005 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:05:05 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: <000101c50560$22edb450$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Yes, thanks John, but it's not for me. I'm knee-deep in MSDN Universal DVDs! I let my subscription lapse, though, since there was nothing worthwhile I wanted coming out for more than a year. I might do the Partner thing one day instead of MSDN - plenty of time to decide. Meanwhile I run a mixture of flavors of Windows (2K onwards), Office (97 to '03) and SQLS (7 and 2K) on different PCs, all for development and test purposes of course. (Who else but a developer would run four different versions of Office anyway?!*! Just have to mimic my client's setups - within reason.) I like the idea that you are *now* legal though ... ;-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: 28 January 2005 17:38 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > You do know about the Microsoft partner program? $ 300 buys > you a TON of software, with 10 licenses for each app. Office > professional, Windows XP, SQL Server, IIS Server, and many > many more. This is for resellers of MS software or > developers of apps that use MS software (Access for example). > > I bought that package, and now all 6 of my machines have > legal copies of OfficeXP, WindowsXP, a couple of machines > have SQL Server 2000 etc. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > DJK(John) Robinson > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:11 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Ah, the Student Edition. No they don't qualify for it, being > merely a poor, struggling company - and sharing my > professional integrity. So it's going to have to be the OEM > edition at about ?92, and which they do qualify for. > > Thanks anyway > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:30 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Amazon believe it or not... search for "Windows" and "Student" and > > it's one of the first entries. It's the upgrade version only, so > > you've got to have an OS installed (9x, me, 2k all work). > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] > > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:05 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Hi Jon > > > > Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small impecunious > > outfit that could really use that! > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Jon Tydda > > > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for > > > ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 > > > 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of > > > stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > Francisco, > > > > > > Watch for line wrap. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > > > me_use_rights. > > > mspx > > > > > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software > Assurance > > > program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > > > > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will > > > get their money one way or another;) > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > > > however if a > > > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > > > diffrent > > > > story all together. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase > the full > > > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > > > Office Pro > > > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, > > Publisher, > > > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people > > to see if > > > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a > trading division > > of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough > House, Mill > > Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 28 12:45:28 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:45:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c50569$89560c70$677aa8c0@ColbyM6805> >I like the idea that you are *now* legal though ... ;-) Me too! ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 Yes, thanks John, but it's not for me. I'm knee-deep in MSDN Universal DVDs! I let my subscription lapse, though, since there was nothing worthwhile I wanted coming out for more than a year. I might do the Partner thing one day instead of MSDN - plenty of time to decide. Meanwhile I run a mixture of flavors of Windows (2K onwards), Office (97 to '03) and SQLS (7 and 2K) on different PCs, all for development and test purposes of course. (Who else but a developer would run four different versions of Office anyway?!*! Just have to mimic my client's setups - within reason.) I like the idea that you are *now* legal though ... ;-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: 28 January 2005 17:38 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > You do know about the Microsoft partner program? $ 300 buys > you a TON of software, with 10 licenses for each app. Office > professional, Windows XP, SQL Server, IIS Server, and many > many more. This is for resellers of MS software or > developers of apps that use MS software (Access for example). > > I bought that package, and now all 6 of my machines have > legal copies of OfficeXP, WindowsXP, a couple of machines > have SQL Server 2000 etc. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > DJK(John) Robinson > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:11 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > Ah, the Student Edition. No they don't qualify for it, being > merely a poor, struggling company - and sharing my > professional integrity. So it's going to have to be the OEM > edition at about ?92, and which they do qualify for. > > Thanks anyway > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:30 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Amazon believe it or not... search for "Windows" and "Student" and > > it's one of the first entries. It's the upgrade version only, so > > you've got to have an OS installed (9x, me, 2k all work). > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] > > Sent: 28 January 2005 16:05 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > Hi Jon > > > > Where from? (in the UK, presumably) I know a small impecunious > > outfit that could really use that! > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Jon Tydda > > > Sent: 28 January 2005 15:19 > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've seen that you can get Windows XP with SP2 upgrade for > > > ?60... I'm very tempted by that. Is it worth upgrading my P3-700 > > > 512mb ram pc that's currently running Win 2K? I've got a LOT of > > > stuff on that I don't really want to lose, but I can back it up... > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Admin Sparky [mailto:dba.email at gmail.com] > > > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:28 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 > > > > > > > > > Francisco, > > > > > > Watch for line wrap. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/productivity/ho > > > me_use_rights. > > > mspx > > > > > > Don't forget though that this is a subset of the Software > Assurance > > > program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/default.mspx > > > > > > M$ is not in the business of giving away their software, they will > > > get their money one way or another;) > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:46 -0800, Francisco Tapia > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Do you have a link to the details of this program? that is very > > > > cool... I mean... I will never pay $300+ for MS office, > > > however if a > > > > program was available at the price listed here man that's a > > > diffrent > > > > story all together. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:46:42 -0500, Admin Sparky > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > ...there is another alternative for a VERY small percentage of > > > > > people. My enterprise maintains a licensing agreement with > > > > > Microsoft that includes "software assurance". Part of that > > > > > agreement is the ability for any employee to purchase > the full > > > > > version for $20...it's called the home use program. The > > > Office Pro > > > > > 2003 package includes the normal plus Outlook, Access, > > Publisher, > > > > > and InfoPath. It might be worth a look to some people > > to see if > > > > > their company participates in this program. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a > trading division > > of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough > House, Mill > > Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Subscriptions at servicexp.com Fri Jan 28 14:50:06 2005 From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:50:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE In-Reply-To: <004b01c504aa$37324540$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: Dan, Yep, Have un-installed, re-installed several times, but nothing..... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, I have installed IntelliPoint 4.12 and it did work for me. I'm using a Fellowes wired optical mouse, Windows XP, and Access XP. Did you uninstall the previous version of IntelliPoint first? I think that's necessary. Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jan 28 15:20:40 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:20:40 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE In-Reply-To: <7792531.1106945483201.JavaMail.root@sniper17.securence.com> Message-ID: <000201c5057f$37fe8620$de1811d8@danwaters> Robert, This is where I got 4.12 from: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837910 Perhaps you've already been to this one though. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Dan, Yep, Have un-installed, re-installed several times, but nothing..... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, I have installed IntelliPoint 4.12 and it did work for me. I'm using a Fellowes wired optical mouse, Windows XP, and Access XP. Did you uninstall the previous version of IntelliPoint first? I think that's necessary. Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Fri Jan 28 16:09:49 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:09:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A net-admin level question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FAB82D.3010104@rogers.com> Is there a way to script all the windows logins? I really don't want to interrogate 54 users and write down their answers. TIA, Arthur > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Jan 28 21:15:24 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:15:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] A net-admin level question In-Reply-To: <41FAB82D.3010104@rogers.com> Message-ID: Yes there is - we use login scripts at work to assign mapped drives and the like, if you go to the server and look at user manager (in NT4, not sure where it is in later versions) and in the profile page of the users properties, there's a space there for "script". Ours are all called "_username.bat" and are placed in c:\winnt\system32\repl\import\scripts. When you've made them, you should take a copy and paste it in c:\winnt\system32\repl\export\scripts on the same server, and if you have replication set up on the netwoek (assuming more than one server) copy them into the same folders on another server. At least that's how it works for us. Doubtless there's a better way to do it in 2k server or 2003 but they haven't let me play with one yet... Probably Active Directory I would think. Our scripts use old DOS commands to map drives, ie NET USE I:\ "\\alcuxb\book$" %PERSIST% (I think I have the syntax correct, if not, run cmd and type net /? and it'll tell you). Not sure how it'll help you "interrogate" the users though, what are you trying to do? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 January 2005 22:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] A net-admin level question Is there a way to script all the windows logins? I really don't want to interrogate 54 users and write down their answers. TIA, Arthur > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From Subscriptions at servicexp.com Sun Jan 30 18:38:26 2005 From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:38:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE In-Reply-To: <000201c5057f$37fe8620$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: Dan, Ok, I finally was able to correct it. I use two 19in LCD monitors for programming and discovered by accident that on one monitor the wheel worked, and on the other it did not. I screwed around with the driver settings, and now it works on both... I have no idea what was causing it, or how I fixed it, but man am I glad is works now.... :-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, This is where I got 4.12 from: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837910 Perhaps you've already been to this one though. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Dan, Yep, Have un-installed, re-installed several times, but nothing..... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, I have installed IntelliPoint 4.12 and it did work for me. I'm using a Fellowes wired optical mouse, Windows XP, and Access XP. Did you uninstall the previous version of IntelliPoint first? I think that's necessary. Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Jan 31 08:08:49 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:08:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B576B@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Thank you guys... This was bugging me for months(or even years?) now. Make me wunder if any Microsoft people really uses VBA if they did'nt find this out sooner... Works fine for me now... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Dan, Ok, I finally was able to correct it. I use two 19in LCD monitors for programming and discovered by accident that on one monitor the wheel worked, and on the other it did not. I screwed around with the driver settings, and now it works on both... I have no idea what was causing it, or how I fixed it, but man am I glad is works now.... :-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, This is where I got 4.12 from: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837910 Perhaps you've already been to this one though. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Dan, Yep, Have un-installed, re-installed several times, but nothing..... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Robert, I have installed IntelliPoint 4.12 and it did work for me. I'm using a Fellowes wired optical mouse, Windows XP, and Access XP. Did you uninstall the previous version of IntelliPoint first? I think that's necessary. Dan Waters ProMation Systems -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 and the VBA IDE Hello All, I had to purchase a new mouse, and decided on the above model. No matter what I do, I can't get the mouse wheel to work in the VBA IDE. The old mouse driver was at version 4.12, which according to MS, is that last driver made that will allow the mouse wheel to function in the IDE. The new mouse works on that version, but now the wheel does not in the IDE. I have tried the MSDN suggestion, VB6IDEMouseWheelAddin.dll and that didn't work.... What I'm I missing here? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dba.email at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 11:29:02 2005 From: dba.email at gmail.com (Admin Sparky) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:29:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 Message-ID: <5f2de24205013109291d78afa9@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, I read an interesting article a month or so ago about creating a WinXP disk that includes SP2. The process is called slipstreaming. I would like to try this process because in that same magazine I read that, on average, a new machine need only be connected to the internet for about 4 minutes before being infected by something. I have an existing OEM CD sans any SP, but recently purchased a "sticker-only" license. I went to M$ in the hopes of downloading SP2, but to no avail. It seems, to the casual user, as though M$ will only deliver the software via the windows update service. I'm hoping that a few of you network admin types can point me in the right direction. Many thanks. Mark From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 31 11:48:21 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:48:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 In-Reply-To: <5f2de24205013109291d78afa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200501311148250.SM03424@ScuzzPaq> Try this link: http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/prices.aspx?ItemId=909271 John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Admin Sparky Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:29 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 Greetings, I read an interesting article a month or so ago about creating a WinXP disk that includes SP2. The process is called slipstreaming. I would like to try this process because in that same magazine I read that, on average, a new machine need only be connected to the internet for about 4 minutes before being infected by something. I have an existing OEM CD sans any SP, but recently purchased a "sticker-only" license. I went to M$ in the hopes of downloading SP2, but to no avail. It seems, to the casual user, as though M$ will only deliver the software via the windows update service. I'm hoping that a few of you network admin types can point me in the right direction. Many thanks. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jan 31 12:18:45 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 References: <5f2de24205013109291d78afa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FE7685.2020803@shaw.ca> You can order a CD for shipping charges that has the Win XP SP2 upgrade. I believe they were giving them away in stores in Japan. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx I would do a google check about installing this with an OEM if missing activation key. This might be a problem. Admin Sparky wrote: >Greetings, > >I read an interesting article a month or so ago about creating a WinXP >disk that includes SP2. The process is called slipstreaming. I >would like to try this process because in that same magazine I read >that, on average, a new machine need only be connected to the internet >for about 4 minutes before being infected by something. > >I have an existing OEM CD sans any SP, but recently purchased a >"sticker-only" license. I went to M$ in the hopes of downloading SP2, >but to no avail. It seems, to the casual user, as though M$ will only >deliver the software via the windows update service. > >I'm hoping that a few of you network admin types can point me in the >right direction. > > >Many thanks. > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Mon Jan 31 16:42:51 2005 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:12:51 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC36F@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> These guys have some of the best articles on slipstreaming. Often updated. http://www.msfn.org/articles.php?action=cat&acid=1 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Admin Sparky Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 3:59 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 Greetings, I read an interesting article a month or so ago about creating a WinXP disk that includes SP2. The process is called slipstreaming. I would like to try this process because in that same magazine I read that, on average, a new machine need only be connected to the internet for about 4 minutes before being infected by something. I have an existing OEM CD sans any SP, but recently purchased a "sticker-only" license. I went to M$ in the hopes of downloading SP2, but to no avail. It seems, to the casual user, as though M$ will only deliver the software via the windows update service. I'm hoping that a few of you network admin types can point me in the right direction. Many thanks. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email any any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Jan 31 17:43:27 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:43:27 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 In-Reply-To: <5f2de24205013109291d78afa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can download SP2 "for IT Professionals and developers" from: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30- 8245-9e368d3cdb5a&displaylang=en it's about 275mb or so, so it might take a while unless you have a T3 connection or something, but that's what I downloaded when it first came out. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Admin Sparky Sent: 31 January 2005 17:29 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Slipstream WinXP/SP2 Greetings, I read an interesting article a month or so ago about creating a WinXP disk that includes SP2. The process is called slipstreaming. I would like to try this process because in that same magazine I read that, on average, a new machine need only be connected to the internet for about 4 minutes before being infected by something. I have an existing OEM CD sans any SP, but recently purchased a "sticker-only" license. I went to M$ in the hopes of downloading SP2, but to no avail. It seems, to the casual user, as though M$ will only deliver the software via the windows update service. I'm hoping that a few of you network admin types can point me in the right direction. Many thanks. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net