From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Jul  1 06:17:44 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:17:44 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VIN Coding/Decoding?
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Thank you a lot, Marty!

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VIN Coding/Decoding?


>
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Is there anywhere VIN coding/decoding decription and information?
> >Is that an open(free) information or it has to be bought from somewhere?
> >I did find this http://yarchive.net/car/vin.html but it's incomplete.
> >
> >Thank you in advance for any additional information on VIN decoding!
> >
> >Shamil
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  I have only messed around with this but I don't think you want to do
> this from scratch
> The data is updated monthly by car manufacturers. Some US government
> department may
> have a full database, like the FBI, but commercially it is generally
> being done by a web service.
> Most commercial ones are not yet complete and still being built to
> include heavy trucks, RV's and motorcycles.
> Some web services will give you proper complete info anywhere between
> 67% to 95 % of the time
> depending on which one you use. You will have to get quotes on cost per
> web  transaction
> but it is probably around $0.50 to a $1.
>
> And things like a 1964 Corvette have only 9 digit VINS. Who knows what
> is on a East German Trabant.
>
> Maybe you can pick up a free VIN database from NewZealand or Australia
> I have an Access database with the US NHTSA Safety and Manufacturers
> Vehicle Recalls
> and that is available on line as a text delimited file.
>
> I have seen PDA's that use these VIN database  web services at some of
> the larger car auctions.
> They also hook into a state's license bureau to track titles and
> accident info, as well, from the VIN
> not just decoding the info from the VIN number.
>
> This company makes a standalone program or web service that delivers
> XMLVIN  info for US  compliant VIN's as below
> Cost is about $300 US with updates.
> www.vinpower.com
>
> Here is an explanation of what is involved in producing the info from a
> vin decoder
> from another VIN web service supplier.
>  These guys even provide jpeg pictures of auto in the xml
> http://dataonesoftware.com/vinDecoderHome.php
>
> Explanation of  a VIN database
> http://www.dataonesoftware.com/sources/DecoderBrochure.pdf
>
> Other sites with basic VIN breakdown and checkdigit methods
>
> http://www2.vinpower.com/VINInformation.aspx
> http://www.washingtonwatchdog.org/documents/cfr/title49/part565.html
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/salvage/
>
> Here is some sample XML web service output.
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
> <REPORTS>
>    <REPORT type="OPTION">
>       <VinPOWER version="1.0.0">
>          <DATABASE version="2004.11.008">
>             <MODULE name="PASSENGER, MPV, LIGHT TRUCK"
> version="2004.11.005"/>
>             <MODULE name="EXT. BASIC JATO 20041104_101058"
> version="2004.11.005"/>
>          </DATABASE>
>          <VIN number="1B3EJ46X11N602989">
>             <DECODED Model_Year="2001" Make="Dodge" Model="Stratus"
> Trim_Level="SE">
>                <KEY name="Model Year" value="2001"/>
>                <KEY name="Make" value="Dodge"/>
>                <KEY name="Model" value="Stratus"/>
>                <KEY name="Body Type" value="4 Door Sedan"/>
>                <KEY name="Trim Level" value="SE"/>
>                <KEY name="Engine Type" value="L4, 2.4L; DOHC 16V"/>
>                <KEY name="Country" value="UNITED STATES"/>
>                <KEY name="Assy. Plant" value="Sterling Heights, MI"/>
>                <KEY name="Production Seq. Number" value="602989"/>
>                <KEY name="Check Digit" value="1"/>
>                <KEY name="Drive Line Type" value="FWD"/>
>                <KEY name="Manufacturer" value="DaimlerChrysler
> Corporation"/>
>                <KEY name="Restraint System" value="Dual Air Bag;
> Automatic Belts"/>
>                <KEY name="Vehicle Type" value="Passenger Car"/>
>                <KEY name="Vehicle Class" value="Mid-size Car"/>
>                <KEY name="Fuel Type" value="Gasoline"/>
>                <KEY name="JATO" value="157146"/>
>             </DECODED>
>          </VIN>
>       </VinPOWER>
>          <VEHICLES Year="2001" Make="DODGE" Model="STRATUS">
>             <VEHICLE Model_Year="2001" Make="DODGE" Model="STRATUS"
> Trim_Level="SE" Version_Name="SE" Driven_Wheels="F" Number_of_Doors="4"
> Vehicle_id="15714620010216">
>                <BASIC_INFO>
>                   <ITEM item_name="vehicle_id"
item_value="15714620010216"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Unique Identity" item_value="157146"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Researcher initials" item_value="JH"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Data date" item_value="20010216"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date of change" item_value="20010216"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Research date" item_value="20010507"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Conclude date" item_value="20010730"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Data status" item_value="4"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model year" item_value="2001"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Country" item_value="USA"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Responsible market UID"
> item_value="157146"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date physically checked"
item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Make group"
> item_value="DAIMLERCHRYSLER"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Make" item_value="DODGE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Local make name" item_value="Dodge"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model" item_value="STRATUS"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Local model name"
item_value="Stratus"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model descriptor" item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Version name" item_value="SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Local version name" item_value="SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Special/limited edition"
item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Trim level" item_value="SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="local trim level" item_value="SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="trim classification" item_value="B1"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Pricing descriptor" item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Number of doors" item_value="4"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="local number of doors" item_value="4"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Body type" item_value="SA"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="local body type" item_value="SA"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="cab type" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="roof type" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="wheelbase type" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Driver location" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Driven wheels" item_value="F"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Transmission type" item_value="A"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Liters" item_value="2.4"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Maximum power kW" item_value="112"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Maximum power hp/PS" item_value="150"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Fuel type" item_value="U"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Compressor" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Seating capacity" item_value="5"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Price currency" item_value="USD"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Override option price currency"
> item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Override attribute price currency"
> item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="MSRP" item_value="17830"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Dealer Invoice" item_value="16582"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Wholesale price" item_value="15587.1"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Wholesale price" item_value="15587.1"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="MSRP including delivery charge"
> item_value="18425"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Net prices" item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Country of assembly" item_value="USA"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date version introduced"
> item_value="20000717"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date model introduced"
> item_value="20000717"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Vehicle type" item_value="N"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Manufacturer&apos;s code"
> item_value="JRDH41"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="First research date"
> item_value="20010222"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Data status research date"
> item_value="20010507"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="VIN" item_value="1B3AJ42B"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Make continent group"
item_value="USA"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model group" item_value="DODGE
STRATUS"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Version information" item_value="S"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Latest price list date/number"
> item_value="20010216-4"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Release date" item_value="20010222"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Indicative prices only" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Cash/Net price" item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Finance price" item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Source of price list" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Make code" item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model code" item_value="-"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Model generation" item_value="2"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date body type introduced"
> item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date number of doors introduced"
> item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Previous model name"
> item_value="STRATUS"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Previous version name"
item_value="SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date version was linked"
item_value="0"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Version id" item_value="15714601"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="JATOCode1" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="JATOCode2" item_value=""/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary Price currency"
> item_value="EUR"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary MSRP" item_value="14671.9"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary Dealer Invoice"
> item_value="13644.9"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary Wholesale price"
> item_value="12826.2"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary Wholesale price"
> item_value="12826.2"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Secondary MSRP including delivery
> charge" item_value="15161.5"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="JATO global segment" item_value="-5"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="JATO regional segment"
item_value="-22"/>
>                </BASIC_INFO>
>                <STANDARD_EQUIPMENT>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Trim" item_value="Trim level: SE"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Body style" item_value="Four-door
> sedan body style"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Seating" item_value="Seating: five
> seats"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Speakers" item_value="Four
speaker(s)"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Antenna" item_value="Fixed mast
> antenna"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Audio system" item_value="Audio
> system with cassette"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Coefficient of drag"
> item_value="Coefficient of drag: 0.31"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Body side molding" item_value="Body
> side molding"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Chrome/bright trim"
> item_value="Chrome/bright trim on side of body"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Disc brakes" item_value="Four disc
> brakes including two ventilated discs"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Bumpers" item_value="Body color front
> and rear bumpers"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Delivery charges" item_value="Fixed
> delivery charges: 595"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Remote trunk/hatch release"
> item_value="Electric remote trunk/hatch release"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Cruise control" item_value="Cruise
> control"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Courtesy lights"
> item_value="Delayed/fade courtesy lights"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Vanity mirror" item_value="Driver and
> passenger vanity mirror"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="External dimensions"
> item_value="External dimensions: overall length (inches): 191.2, overall
> width (inches): 70.6, overall height (inches): 54.9, wheelbase (inches):
> 108, front track (inches): 60.2, rear track (inches): 60.2 and curb to
> curb turning circle (feet): 36.8"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Internal dimensions"
> item_value="Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 37.6, rear
> headroom (inches): 35.8, front hip room (inches): 52.5, rear hip room
> (inches): 53.1, front leg room (inches): 42.3, rear leg room (inches):
> 38.1, front shoulder room (inches): 55.2, rear shoulder room (inches):
> 54.7 and interior volume (cu ft): 94"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Cargo capacity" item_value="Cargo
> capacity: all seats in place (cu ft): 16"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Drive" item_value="Front-wheel drive"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Engine" item_value="2,429 cc 2.4
> liters in-line 4 engine with 87.5 mm bore, 101 mm stroke, 9.4
> compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Emission control level"
> item_value="Emission control level FED"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Fuel system" item_value="Multi-point
> injection fuel system"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Fuel" item_value="Unleaded fuel"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Fuel tank" item_value="16 gallon main
> unleaded fuel tank"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Tachometer" item_value="Tachometer"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Low fuel level warning"
> item_value="Low fuel level warning"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Clock" item_value="Clock"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Headlights" item_value="Complex
> surface lens halogen bulb headlights"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Headlight control"
> item_value="Headlight control"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Tires" item_value="Front and rear
> tires with 205 mm tire width, 65% tire profile and T tire rating"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Power locks" item_value="Internal
> button power locks"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Paint" item_value="Metallic paint ,
> black paint , gloss paint , pearl paint"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Power" item_value="Power: 112 kW ,
> 150 HP SAE @ 5,200 rpm; 167 ft lb , 226 Nm @ 4,000 rpm"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Fuel economy" item_value="Fuel
> economy EPA highway (mpg): 30 and EPA city (mpg): 20"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Front airbag" item_value="Driver and
> passenger front airbag"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Head restraints" item_value="Two
> height adjustable head restraints on front seats"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Front seat belts" item_value="Height
> adjustable 3-point reel front seat belts on driver seat and passenger
> seat with pre-tensioners"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Rear seat belts" item_value="3-point
> reel rear seat belts on driver side, passenger side and center side"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Seat upholstery" item_value="Cloth
> seat upholstery"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Front seat center armrest"
> item_value="Front seat center armrest"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Front seat" item_value="Bucket driver
> and passenger seat"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Rear seats" item_value="Three
> asymmetrical bench front facing rear seats"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Steering wheel" item_value="Plastic
> steering wheel with tilt adjustment"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Power steering" item_value="Power
> steering"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Glove compartment"
> item_value="Lockable glove compartment"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Door pockets/bins" item_value="Door
> pockets/bins for driver seat and passenger seat"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Cup holders" item_value="Front seats
> and rear seats cup holders"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Suspension" item_value="Wishbone
> front suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs ,
> multi-link rear suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil
> springs"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Transmission" item_value="Automatic
> four-speed transmission with lock-up, electronic control and shift lever
> on floor"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Ventilation system"
> item_value="Ventilation system with recirculation setting"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Air conditioning" item_value="Air
> conditioning"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Rear view mirror" item_value="Rear
> view mirror"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Door mirrors" item_value="Driver and
> passenger power black door mirrors"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Rear window" item_value="Rear window
> with defogger"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Tinted glass" item_value="Tinted
> glass on cabin"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Heat reflective glass"
> item_value="Heat reflective glass"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Windshield wipers"
> item_value="Windshield wipers with variable intermittent wipe"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Power windows" item_value="Front
> power windows with one one-touch , rear power windows"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Warranty whole vehicle"
> item_value="Full car warranty: duration (months): 36 or distance
> (miles): 36,000"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Warranty powertrain"
> item_value="Powertrain warranty: duration (months): 36 or distance
> (miles): 36,000"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Warranty anti-corrosion"
> item_value="Anticorrosion warranty: duration (months): 60 or distance
> (miles): 100,000"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Warranty roadside assistance"
> item_value="Road-side assistance warranty: duration (months): 36 or
> distance (miles): 36,000"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Weights" item_value="Weights: curb
> weight (lbs) 3,226"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Wheels" item_value="Front and rear
> steel wheels with 15 inch rim diam, 6 inch rim width and full wheel
> covers"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Spare wheel" item_value="Spacesaver
> steel rim internal spare wheel"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Console" item_value="Full dashboard
> console with open storage box , full floor console with covered storage
> box"/>
>                   <ITEM item_name="Date introduced" item_value="Date
> introduced 20,000,717 and 20,000,717"/>
>                </STANDARD_EQUIPMENT>
>
>             </VEHICLE>
>          </VEHICLES>
>    </REPORT>
> </REPORTS>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Jul  5 10:40:48 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:40:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this
In-Reply-To: <002e01c57e2e$826d1730$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200507051540.j65FerR17443@databaseadvisors.com>

Can anyone tell me how to inform Outlook 2003 that when I click on an URL in
an email, load FireFox not Internet Explorer?

Arthur




From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 10:42:54 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:42:54 +0100 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2C80@ALCUXB>

Isn't that part of add/remove programs? The bit where you tell windows what
programs to use for what...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 05 July 2005 16:41
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this


Can anyone tell me how to inform Outlook 2003 that when I click on an URL in
an email, load FireFox not Internet Explorer?

Arthur


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Jul  5 11:42:32 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (bchacc at san.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:42:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this
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Arhtus:

Try this:

http://www.outlook-tips.net/archives/2004/20040923.htm

Rocky'
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this


Can anyone tell me how to inform Outlook 2003 that when I click on an URL in
an email, load FireFox not Internet Explorer?

Arthur


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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul  6 17:47:59 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:47:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this
In-Reply-To: <380-22005725164232351@M2W086.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <200507062247.j66MlvR00674@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! What a great resource!

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bchacc at san.rr.com
Sent: July 5, 2005 12:43 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Attention Microsoft: Please don't read this


Arhtus:

Try this:

http://www.outlook-tips.net/archives/2004/20040923.htm

Rocky



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Wed Jul  6 19:16:04 2005
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:16:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D170558D33B@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi Listers,
I'm trying to install FireFox on my laptop, WinXp Home Edition.  Download..no problem...install..again no problem..but when i TRY THE SHORTCUT..I get the msg can find  start.firefox.org...any suggestions??
Ed


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Jul  7 08:37:46 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:37:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Folder on Windows XP Startup
Message-ID: <000a01c582f9$111280a0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Several weeks ago I installed software for a wireless modem.  Since then, a
related folder is open at Windows startup.  I can close the folder w/o
problem, and I don't see any other problems.

 

There must be a way to turn this off, and is there a way to turn it on?
Maybe this is a 'feature'?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Dan Waters



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Jul  7 08:51:30 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:51:30 +0100 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Folder on Windows XP Startup
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2CC7@ALCUXB>

The obvious thing to check is that it hasn't installed itself in the startup
folder... if it has, delete the item and all will be well again.

If that's not it, install Spybot and go to Tools/Startup and have a look
through the entries in there until you see something with the name of the
folder you're looking for, highlight and delete the entry.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: 07 July 2005 14:38
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Folder on Windows XP Startup


Several weeks ago I installed software for a wireless modem.  Since then, a
related folder is open at Windows startup.  I can close the folder w/o
problem, and I don't see any other problems.

 

There must be a way to turn this off, and is there a way to turn it on?
Maybe this is a 'feature'?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Dan Waters

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Jul  7 08:53:34 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (bchacc at san.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:53:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
Message-ID: <380-22005747135334207@M2W064.mail2web.com>

Ed:

Where does the shortcut point?

Mine points to "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe"

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Tesiny, Ed EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:16:04 -0400
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox


Hi Listers,
I'm trying to install FireFox on my laptop, WinXp Home Edition. 
Download..no problem...install..again no problem..but when i TRY THE
SHORTCUT..I get the msg can find  start.firefox.org...any suggestions??
Ed
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Jul  7 09:19:44 2005
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:19:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D508AB@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Rocky,
DUH!  Didn't even think of checking that.  I'll check it when I get home
today.
Thanks

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> bchacc at san.rr.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox
> 
> Ed:
> 
> Where does the shortcut point?
> 
> Mine points to "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe"
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Tesiny, Ed EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:16:04 -0400
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
> 
> 
> Hi Listers,
> I'm trying to install FireFox on my laptop, WinXp Home Edition. 
> Download..no problem...install..again no problem..but when i TRY THE
> SHORTCUT..I get the msg can find  start.firefox.org...any 
> suggestions??
> Ed
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 10:05:14 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:05:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
In-Reply-To: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D170558D33B@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D170558D33B@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9205070708053091e0cd@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/05, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Hi Listers,
> I'm trying to install FireFox on my laptop, WinXp Home Edition.  Download..no problem...install..again no problem..but when i TRY THE SHORTCUT..I get the msg can find  start.firefox.org...any suggestions??

Ed,

It looks like your home page is set to start.firefox.org

Try resetting your homepage (Tools|Options|General) close down FF and reopen..

If that doesn't work open up the prefs.js file in your Firefox profile
(on Win2K mine is at:
C:\Documents and Settings\<USERNAME>\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<RANDOM_LETTERS_&_NUMBERS>.default\prefs.js)
in a text editor (notepad should work)

Search for start.firefox.org. If you find it, replace it with a valid
URL and resave the file. Now try and open FF and see if that helps.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From artful at rogers.com  Fri Jul  8 17:50:49 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:50:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] International settings
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9205070708053091e0cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507082250.j68MomR27336@databaseadvisors.com>

I may have asked this and if so please forgive the redundancy. Repeatedly in
A2003 and Outlook 2003, I find myself in an international keyboard set
through no conscious action of mine. Perhaps I am hitting some magic key now
and then. I do not know.

The symptoms are:
I attempt to type a question mark and instead get ?. 
I attempt to type an apostrophe and instead get ``.
I attempt to type a double quote and instead get ``.

It appears that the only apps so affected are Access 2003 and Outlook 2003.
If I exit and reboot the problem goes away... for a while. But it is
guaranteed to re-appear.

What I would like is a procedure that undoes this reassignment and puts me
back in my comfortable place. 

I have no idea what I`m doing that causes this behaviour, and no particular
interest in tracing it and documenting it for the MS minions. I just want it
to go away. To make it go away, I currently exit Access then re-open the app
of interest, and it is gone, for a while. But if I spend an hour in the app,
it is GUARANTEED to re-appear. Sometimes it happens in 3 minutes. 

Outlook and Access are affected. I can switch to Word or Excel and the
keystrokes behave as you would expect. But something occurs in Access 2003
that is special.

Ideas? Look it just happened there! I attempted to type a question mark.

Let`s experiment... it just happened again. That apostrophe is backwards.
How about a word such as ``they`re``?

Good example! I am seeing double apostrophes where I intended double-quotes
and instead of a question mark I am seeing a ? (i.e. capital e acute). 

What the hell is causing this? (there we go again! That last char was
supposed to be a question mark). And how do I fix it for once and for all.

TIA,
A.




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Jul  9 02:52:54 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:52:54 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] International settings
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D2C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


The hot key for changing keyboard layout is ALT (left one) + SHIFT or a user specified one.
You could check in you control panel Country settings>languages  if you have multiple keyboard layouts installed. Remove those you not need, keep only the one you need so when hitting accidently the hotkey can not swap to another layout because there is only one.

But I find your changes pretty bizar at my knowledge not corresponding with specific country keyboard layouts (at least those I know).
I seem to remember there is a spyware/trojan/virus/keylogger having this effect, I believe a searchbar addin for IE.
So if I where you I would download the MS antispyware beta (or any other but the MS one is the best I ever seen) en scan your computer for these.



Greetings.

Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] International settings

I may have asked this and if so please forgive the redundancy. Repeatedly in
A2003 and Outlook 2003, I find myself in an international keyboard set through no conscious action of mine. Perhaps I am hitting some magic key now and then. I do not know.

The symptoms are:
I attempt to type a question mark and instead get ?. 
I attempt to type an apostrophe and instead get ``.
I attempt to type a double quote and instead get ``.

It appears that the only apps so affected are Access 2003 and Outlook 2003.
If I exit and reboot the problem goes away... for a while. But it is guaranteed to re-appear.

What I would like is a procedure that undoes this reassignment and puts me back in my comfortable place. 

I have no idea what I`m doing that causes this behaviour, and no particular interest in tracing it and documenting it for the MS minions. I just want it to go away. To make it go away, I currently exit Access then re-open the app of interest, and it is gone, for a while. But if I spend an hour in the app, it is GUARANTEED to re-appear. Sometimes it happens in 3 minutes. 

Outlook and Access are affected. I can switch to Word or Excel and the keystrokes behave as you would expect. But something occurs in Access 2003 that is special.

Ideas? Look it just happened there! I attempted to type a question mark.

Let`s experiment... it just happened again. That apostrophe is backwards.
How about a word such as ``they`re``?

Good example! I am seeing double apostrophes where I intended double-quotes and instead of a question mark I am seeing a ? (i.e. capital e acute). 

What the hell is causing this? (there we go again! That last char was supposed to be a question mark). And how do I fix it for once and for all.

TIA,
A.


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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Jul 12 10:28:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:28:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] International settings
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D2C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <200507121528.j6CFSwR19032@databaseadvisors.com>

What I have noticed on this lately is that Outlook is the program that
sometimes has the wrong keyboard settings. Access and Word are unaffected.
Version 2003.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: July 9, 2005 3:53 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] International settings


The hot key for changing keyboard layout is ALT (left one) + SHIFT or a user
specified one.
You could check in you control panel Country settings>languages  if you have
multiple keyboard layouts installed. Remove those you not need, keep only
the one you need so when hitting accidently the hotkey can not swap to
another layout because there is only one.

But I find your changes pretty bizar at my knowledge not corresponding with
specific country keyboard layouts (at least those I know).
I seem to remember there is a spyware/trojan/virus/keylogger having this
effect, I believe a searchbar addin for IE.
So if I where you I would download the MS antispyware beta (or any other but
the MS one is the best I ever seen) en scan your computer for these.



Greetings.

Erwin




From artful at rogers.com  Tue Jul 12 10:45:34 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:45:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question
In-Reply-To: <200507121528.j6CFSwR19032@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200507121545.j6CFjeR22601@databaseadvisors.com>

Assuming that Word is already opened programmatically from Access, with a
document open, I now want to open two more files in Word. How might I do
that. Would it simply be...

    objWord.Documents.Add .... plus the name of the file, and the same again
with the name of the other file.

Arthur



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 11:05:23 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:05:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question
In-Reply-To: <200507121545.j6CFjeR22601@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200507121528.j6CFSwR19032@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200507121545.j6CFjeR22601@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9205071209053c436d95@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/07/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Assuming that Word is already opened programmatically from Access, with a
> document open, I now want to open two more files in Word. How might I do
> that. Would it simply be...
> 
>     objWord.Documents.Add .... plus the name of the file, and the same again
> with the name of the other file.

Nope. Add is for creating new docs based on templates.

Use

objWord.Documents.Open "c:\full\path\to\your.doc"

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 13 07:00:00 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:00:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9205071209053c436d95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507131200.j6DC09R29377@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! That works just great. Now, one more question. I want to paste the
contents of the second file into a known location (bookmark) in the first
file. I have no problem going to the bookmark but I am not sure how to
programmatically grab the contents of file 2 and plonk it into file 1.

Any ideas gratefully accepted!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: July 12, 2005 12:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question

On 12/07/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Assuming that Word is already opened programmatically from Access, with a
> document open, I now want to open two more files in Word. How might I do
> that. Would it simply be...
> 
>     objWord.Documents.Add .... plus the name of the file, and the same
again
> with the name of the other file.

Nope. Add is for creating new docs based on templates.

Use

objWord.Documents.Open "c:\full\path\to\your.doc"




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 13 12:19:18 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:19:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question
References: <200507121545.j6CFjeR22601@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42D54D16.6040900@shaw.ca>

Odd I just answered a similar question on Access-L

Here is one method, it just inserts one word doc after the other.
Watch closing word down you may have several copies of word
running so check task manger processes.

You can can change insertion point to be bookmark, paragraph
or even clipboard via a search for a Text String strInsertDesc
rather than a straight character count.

     AppWord.Selection.Paste
     AppWord.ActiveDocument.Content.InsertAfter Text:=strInsertDesc


Sub CreateDocumentWord()
' Save multiple Word doc files into one.
Dim AppWord As Object
Dim InsertPosition As Long
    Set AppWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
'empty doc to start
AppWord.Documents.Add
'copy first doc at character position
InsertPosition = AppWord.ActiveDocument.Characters.Count - 1
           Debug.Print InsertPosition
AppWord.ActiveDocument.Range.InsertFile _
      FileName:="C:\WordVBA\Copy Text to Insert in the Word Document.doc"
'copy second doc at next character position
InsertPosition = AppWord.ActiveDocument.Characters.Count - 1
           Debug.Print InsertPosition
AppWord.ActiveDocument.Range(InsertPosition).InsertFile _
      FileName:="C:\WordVBA\David.doc"
'save  outuput file
Dim strfilename As String
    strfilename = "C:\WordVBA\" & "OutputWord"
    strfilename = strfilename & Format(Now, "yyyymmddhhmmss") & ".doc"
    AppWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs (strfilename)
Set AppWord = Nothing
End Sub

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>Assuming that Word is already opened programmatically from Access, with a
>document open, I now want to open two more files in Word. How might I do
>that. Would it simply be...
>
>    objWord.Documents.Add .... plus the name of the file, and the same again
>with the name of the other file.
>
>Arthur
>
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>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul 14 07:36:35 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:35 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question
References: <200507121545.j6CFjeR22601@databaseadvisors.com>
	<42D54D16.6040900@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003101c58870$cdc1ec00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Marty,

I did get your answer and I reinterpreted it in VB.NET and C# - my favorite
programing languages now.
I did put this interpretation here:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/topics/wordautomation.htm

Hope that's OK with you - if not just give me a push to clear/add any refs
on yourself in this topic.

Shamil

P.S. One can see from posted topic why VBA/VB.NET are the most suitable for
automation programming....

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yet another Word question


> Odd I just answered a similar question on Access-L
>
> Here is one method, it just inserts one word doc after the other.
> Watch closing word down you may have several copies of word
> running so check task manger processes.
>
> You can can change insertion point to be bookmark, paragraph
> or even clipboard via a search for a Text String strInsertDesc
> rather than a straight character count.
>
>      AppWord.Selection.Paste
>      AppWord.ActiveDocument.Content.InsertAfter Text:=strInsertDesc
>
>
> Sub CreateDocumentWord()
> ' Save multiple Word doc files into one.
> Dim AppWord As Object
> Dim InsertPosition As Long
>     Set AppWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> 'empty doc to start
> AppWord.Documents.Add
> 'copy first doc at character position
> InsertPosition = AppWord.ActiveDocument.Characters.Count - 1
>            Debug.Print InsertPosition
> AppWord.ActiveDocument.Range.InsertFile _
>       FileName:="C:\WordVBA\Copy Text to Insert in the Word Document.doc"
> 'copy second doc at next character position
> InsertPosition = AppWord.ActiveDocument.Characters.Count - 1
>            Debug.Print InsertPosition
> AppWord.ActiveDocument.Range(InsertPosition).InsertFile _
>       FileName:="C:\WordVBA\David.doc"
> 'save  outuput file
> Dim strfilename As String
>     strfilename = "C:\WordVBA\" & "OutputWord"
>     strfilename = strfilename & Format(Now, "yyyymmddhhmmss") & ".doc"
>     AppWord.ActiveDocument.SaveAs (strfilename)
> Set AppWord = Nothing
> End Sub
>
> Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> >Assuming that Word is already opened programmatically from Access, with a
> >document open, I now want to open two more files in Word. How might I do
> >that. Would it simply be...
> >
> >    objWord.Documents.Add .... plus the name of the file, and the same
again
> >with the name of the other file.
> >
> >Arthur
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Jul 16 18:27:40 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:27:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <003101c58870$cdc1ec00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>

For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the subject
but came up with nothing relevant.

So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when the
products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and so
on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.

dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).

FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
different cloth.

Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.

Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what happened
to them.

Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.

Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.

Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.

InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
happened here.

(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions from
those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe databases.)

TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
reincarnations.

Arthur
 



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Jul 16 18:33:09 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:33:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200507162333.j6GNX8R02024@databaseadvisors.com>

I forgot to mention that I did find these links:

http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html

and

http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html

but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is readily
available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue), but
I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named above,
their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their demises. In
addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others that
achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the subject
but came up with nothing relevant.

So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when the
products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and so
on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.

dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).

FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
different cloth.

Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.

Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what happened
to them.

Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.

Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.

Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.

InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
happened here.

(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions from
those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe databases.)

TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
reincarnations.

Arthur
 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 16 18:35:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:35:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000401c58a5f$13b01440$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Reflex (Borland flat file databse)
Clipper (Foxpro branch which was a dbase branch))

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the subject
but came up with nothing relevant.

So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when the
products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and so
on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.

dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).

FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
different cloth.

Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.

Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what happened
to them.

Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.

Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.

Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.

InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
happened here.

(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions from
those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe databases.)

TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
reincarnations.

Arthur
 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sun Jul 17 07:48:02 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:48:02 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002001c58acd$c916a380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

DataFlex - I did work with it in 1993-1994 - it was great, OOP, 4GL etc. -
it was widely used epecially in Autralia and Sweden, UK etc. - is getting
nowehere now?

dbVista (Raima Data Manager) - great too, C/C++ centric, cross-platform(PC
OSes)  mainly used  in embedded systems now....

Ashton Tate Framework - great tool - anscestor of all nowadays Office
suits...

MS Access :) - it's getting depreciated now as a development tool(?) - not a
mainstream development tool like my collegue working at MS (:) ) says - do
you agree? :)))

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:27 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


> For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
> once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
> an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
subject
> but came up with nothing relevant.
>
> So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
> rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
the
> products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and
so
> on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.
>
> dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
> Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>
> FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
> different cloth.
>
> Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.
>
> Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
happened
> to them.
>
> Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>
> Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
> number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>
> Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>
> InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
> happened here.
>
> (This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
from
> those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
databases.)
>
> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
> reincarnations.
>
> Arthur
>
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sun Jul 17 16:41:55 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:41:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050717214201.7070741CEA@omta18.mta.everyone.net>

> Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 17 16:43:12 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:43:12 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <002001c58acd$c916a380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <42DB5D90.29033.11B4CB05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Jul 2005 at 16:48, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> DataFlex - I did work with it in 1993-1994 - it was great, OOP, 4GL etc. -
> it was widely used epecially in Autralia and Sweden, UK etc. - is getting
> nowehere now?
> 
It was my main development environment  86 - 94 and I was still using it 
fairly regularly up to about 97. It's still around in niche markets - 
latest version is something like Visual Dataflex 10.  I have one client who 
still uses CBA (Dataflex based) as their main accounting system and I 
occassionally write a bit of Dataflex to suck data out it in.

How about Q&A?  Had a great 'Intelligent Assistant" that would try to 
answer plain english language queries like "How many widgets did each 
branch sell last year?" 




-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 17 19:03:41 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:03:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <000401c58a5f$13b01440$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200507180003.j6I03fR16317@databaseadvisors.com>

Doh! As the author of a few books and many articles on Clipper, I should
have included this baby. LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: July 16, 2005 7:36 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

Reflex (Borland flat file databse)
Clipper (Foxpro branch which was a dbase branch))

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the subject
but came up with nothing relevant.

So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when the
products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and so
on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.

dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).

FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
different cloth.

Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.

Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what happened
to them.

Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.

Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.

Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.

InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
happened here.

(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions from
those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe databases.)

TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
reincarnations.

Arthur
 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 17 19:18:48 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:18:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <002001c58acd$c916a380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200507180018.j6I0IlR19726@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks for reminding me of these babies, Shamil. I too worked a little in
DataFlex, but never dbVista. I once met and interviewed Robert Carr,
architect of Framework -- perhaps my fave program ever written, though his
choice of language syntax was asinine... but that's neither here nor there.
Robert impressed me as one of the smartest people I have ever met. After
Framework he ventured into areas with promise, I guess, but they didn't pan
out. The handwriting recognition stuff, and so on.

I think I'll try to reconnect with him and see what he's up to.

Access is like a truly gifted bastard child in the MS family. Nobody wants
to admit its progeny. Nobody wants to admit that given any 89 problems, you
can solve them more quickly in Access than in any other MS development tool.
I feel profoundly sorry for the Access development team. They try to please
us -- and for their efforts I am extremely grateful -- but they get shat
upon from above because Access was intended to be a stupid little toy for
the great unwashed and uneducated. So there are these development folks,
writing a powerhouse tool, that the Bosses not only don't want to hear about
but regard as a threat to the more profitable revenue streams.

A handful of the Access team should quit MS and launch an Access-compiler
project. This is very parallel to how Clipper came about. Ashton-Tate
refused to release a compiler, and Brian Russell had the vision to quit the
Framework development team and architect Clipper. Rich McConnell played a
big part but it was Brian's vision that got it from drawing board to
delivered product. Not to say others didn't help, but it was Brian and Rich
that made it happen.

We need some players like that in the Access world. None of us knows enough
about the internals to pull it off. It takes members of the development team
with the guts to quit and the ambitions to release a killer product.

Just think about it. Suppose you could do everything you can in Access, and
then compile the result into a stand-alone product that doesn't require the
run-time or anything else, and compiles to say 2mb per app.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: July 17, 2005 8:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

DataFlex - I did work with it in 1993-1994 - it was great, OOP, 4GL etc. -
it was widely used epecially in Autralia and Sweden, UK etc. - is getting
nowehere now?

dbVista (Raima Data Manager) - great too, C/C++ centric, cross-platform(PC
OSes)  mainly used  in embedded systems now....

Ashton Tate Framework - great tool - anscestor of all nowadays Office
suits...

MS Access :) - it's getting depreciated now as a development tool(?) - not a
mainstream development tool like my collegue working at MS (:) ) says - do
you agree? :)))

Shamil




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 17 19:44:06 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:44:06 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507180018.j6I0IlR19726@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <002001c58acd$c916a380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <42DB87F6.17455.125A69D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Jul 2005 at 20:18, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> We need some players like that in the Access world. None of us knows enough
> about the internals to pull it off. It takes members of the development team
> with the guts to quit and the ambitions to release a killer product.
> 
> Just think about it. Suppose you could do everything you can in Access, and
> then compile the result into a stand-alone product that doesn't require the
> run-time or anything else, and compiles to say 2mb per app.
> 

Now that would be THE killer app.  Anyone with the contacts in the 
development team to give them a few nudges in the right direction?



-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 17 20:00:26 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:00:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <42DB87F6.17455.125A69D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200507180100.j6I10QR29105@databaseadvisors.com>

They would have to quit MS to write it, I am certain. The DotNet folks would
be pissed to the max! Still, Barry put up maybe $20M over 5 years and then
sold Nantucket to CA for $76M... not a bad multiple. (Perhaps I know too
much about the insides of this to continue.)

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: July 17, 2005 8:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

On 17 Jul 2005 at 20:18, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> We need some players like that in the Access world. None of us knows
enough
> about the internals to pull it off. It takes members of the development
team
> with the guts to quit and the ambitions to release a killer product.
> 
> Just think about it. Suppose you could do everything you can in Access,
and
> then compile the result into a stand-alone product that doesn't require
the
> run-time or anything else, and compiles to say 2mb per app.
> 

Now that would be THE killer app.  Anyone with the contacts in the 
development team to give them a few nudges in the right direction?



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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Jul 18 05:34:32 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:34:32 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507162333.j6GNX8R02024@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c58b84$57aa4e10$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>>
The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on the
West).
Was it ported to PC?
dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL proposals..

Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked in a
team,
which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was better/comparable
in the speed etc.
These all were success story projects, the application systems using these
DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then Perestroyka-Glasnost came
and all that went nowhere because of economical chaos and uncertainty about
the future...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


> I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>
> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>
> and
>
> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>
> but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
> hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
readily
> available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue),
but
> I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named above,
> their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their demises. In
> addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others
that
> achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>
> For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
> once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
> an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
subject
> but came up with nothing relevant.
>
> So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
> rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
the
> products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and
so
> on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.
>
> dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
> Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>
> FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
> different cloth.
>
> Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.
>
> Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
happened
> to them.
>
> Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>
> Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
> number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>
> Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>
> InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
> happened here.
>
> (This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
from
> those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
databases.)
>
> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
> reincarnations.
>
> Arthur
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Jul 18 07:36:48 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:36:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507180018.j6I0IlR19726@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c58b95$64cfb8d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
> Just think about it. Suppose you could do everything you can in Access,
and
> then compile the result into a stand-alone product that doesn't require
the
> run-time or anything else, and compiles to say 2mb per app.
>>>
Arthur,

I suppose MS Access is so big in its and related file sizes because it has a
lot of features.
Only MSACCESS.EXE (2003) size is 6+MB.
How one can shrink that into 2MB per app?

MS Access is a powertoy.
It was always targeted like that by MS.

My daughter who is 19 years old and who is on her 2nd grade in highschool
does do great things with it and MS Word and MS Excel during her Informatics
courses study - she does in minutes and hours what ten years ago was almost
mpossible to do using months of professional programming - and all looks
like a game...

I did spend a lot of time working with MS Access.
I know it well.
It's getting depreciated for professional development because with .NET one
can do similar things with almost comparable ease(speed) and many other
things, which can't be done in MS Access because of its programming lanuage
limitations.

Yes, using MS Access together with MS Office a lot of office work can be
automated and this is where MS Access really shines...
When you need to do such office automation on more professional level - use
.NET Tools for MS Office.

I did program a way to much on VBA - you know all that my investigations on
the VBA edge - I should have better spend most of this time on something
else - VBA limitations are naturally designed by MS and MS don't have plans
to remove them as far as I can guess....

Last year I did program three separate MS Excel add-ins using VBA(in Excel).
When I tried to combine them into one I did get met with VBA limitations
once again - together they just stopped to work, were GPFing
unexpectedly(because of a lot of code?) etc. - and I did quit this my idea.
Later on, last autumn, I ported all that three add-ins in four days into
VB.NET + .NET Tools for MS Offcie - they worked like a charm, used common
library code etc.etc....

MS Access is getting out for professional development, especially for
off-the-shelf solutions - it's becoming more and more like a
powertool/powertoy to make everyday work by powerusers - and the "army" of
these powerusers is becoming bigger and bigger wih every year...
Professional MS Access programmers have to switch to something more
professional (pun intended:)) ....

Of course I do use MS Access to make some quick tests and as poweruser to
process and keep all kinds of information. And I do plan to continue doing
that way this my internal office work. But when I will decide to make
something off-the-shelf from that internal office automation I will use C#
or C++ - they have no limitations and they are WYDIWYG-programming tools as
opposed to WYDYMFTI-programming VBA-based tools...

What is great with VB/VBA is that they allow very high level of "edit and
continue" programming, which doesn't yet exist in VB.NET and C# (they
promise to have it in VS.NET 2005). I was originally assembler programmer,
then C, Pascal, C++ and then VBA, VB6  - all the "real" (not VB and VBA)
programming languages force you to "think/design first then program" and I
did do design/program a lot in the past on the paper then typed all that on
punch cards or into computer program sources files (there was computer time
limitation here in the past), then debugged all that - and voila' - the
program is ready...

With VB6/VBA this my previous programming habits/style were completely
ruined with incremental rather chaotic and hectic "edit and continue"
programming style. Yes, this is good to create "quick&dirty" office
automation small solutions but they are not that good(bad in fact) to work
on something more serious...

Nowadays as far as I see a new programming style/paradigm arises (exists in
fact as far as I can guess but I have still to meet somebody working this
way) - and this is a combination of "think/design" and "edit&continue"
styles based on all the last 10-15 years experience in OOP&D and the modern
development tools (e.g. VS.NET) - to become a high level programmer/software
architect in this area experience and only real life development/programming
experience is the answer. The more real software you create using this
technique the more you get how right and useful it's - so after 15 years of
VB/VBA "madness" we again return to real programming using real programming
languages and real-life programming experience... That looks like a natural
turn of evolution spiral.... (BTW,  IMO to know C/C++ and even ATL/COM isn't
"all you need" to become a high level programmer - I have seen/see programs
written using these languages and development tools, which I wouldn't call
professionally written. Yes they work and are used in business applications
but the overhead to support them is too high to be true.... )

I mean: VBA is getting out of mainstream development programming languages
because of its natural limitations,  which are becoming so obvious now and
which make one trying to make the living from programming uneasy to
compete...

I still like VBA/VB especially because they are the only(?) tools for quick
prototyping using their unique "edit&continue" feature but this is planned
to be inherited by VS.NET 2005....

Shamil

P.S. WYDIWYG - What You Design Is What You Get - whatever design you create
based on the most modern programming design concepts you will no doubt be
able to implement it using C# and C++.
WYDYMFTI - What You Design You May Fail To Implement because of programming
language limitations, you'll spend a lot of time with very low end
result.... Be prepared, don't get desperate, you can keep trying but you
will fail again...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


> Thanks for reminding me of these babies, Shamil. I too worked a little in
> DataFlex, but never dbVista. I once met and interviewed Robert Carr,
> architect of Framework -- perhaps my fave program ever written, though his
> choice of language syntax was asinine... but that's neither here nor
there.
> Robert impressed me as one of the smartest people I have ever met. After
> Framework he ventured into areas with promise, I guess, but they didn't
pan
> out. The handwriting recognition stuff, and so on.
>
> I think I'll try to reconnect with him and see what he's up to.
>
> Access is like a truly gifted bastard child in the MS family. Nobody wants
> to admit its progeny. Nobody wants to admit that given any 89 problems,
you
> can solve them more quickly in Access than in any other MS development
tool.
> I feel profoundly sorry for the Access development team. They try to
please
> us -- and for their efforts I am extremely grateful -- but they get shat
> upon from above because Access was intended to be a stupid little toy for
> the great unwashed and uneducated. So there are these development folks,
> writing a powerhouse tool, that the Bosses not only don't want to hear
about
> but regard as a threat to the more profitable revenue streams.
>
> A handful of the Access team should quit MS and launch an Access-compiler
> project. This is very parallel to how Clipper came about. Ashton-Tate
> refused to release a compiler, and Brian Russell had the vision to quit
the
> Framework development team and architect Clipper. Rich McConnell played a
> big part but it was Brian's vision that got it from drawing board to
> delivered product. Not to say others didn't help, but it was Brian and
Rich
> that made it happen.
>
> We need some players like that in the Access world. None of us knows
enough
> about the internals to pull it off. It takes members of the development
team
> with the guts to quit and the ambitions to release a killer product.
>
> Just think about it. Suppose you could do everything you can in Access,
and
> then compile the result into a stand-alone product that doesn't require
the
> run-time or anything else, and compiles to say 2mb per app.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: July 17, 2005 8:48 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>
> DataFlex - I did work with it in 1993-1994 - it was great, OOP, 4GL etc. -
> it was widely used epecially in Autralia and Sweden, UK etc. - is getting
> nowehere now?
>
> dbVista (Raima Data Manager) - great too, C/C++ centric, cross-platform(PC
> OSes)  mainly used  in embedded systems now....
>
> Ashton Tate Framework - great tool - anscestor of all nowadays Office
> suits...
>
> MS Access :) - it's getting depreciated now as a development tool(?) - not
a
> mainstream development tool like my collegue working at MS (:) ) says - do
> you agree? :)))
>
> Shamil
>
>
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Jul 18 09:03:33 2005
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:03:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D170558D33F@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

I doubt anyone else ever heard of Enable OA 4.5, an integrated package
from Enable Software originally called the Software Group of Ballston
Lake, NY.  Used it extensively when I was at DOH and I though it was a
real coupe when I was able to steal their top database programmer who
ran the database help desk.  She was one great programmer.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> 
> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
> reincarnations.
> 
> Arthur
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Mon Jul 18 09:56:36 2005
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:56:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D9133@belgarion.Outbak.local>

I remember having to convert 50 or so 'programs' from Enable to Access back in 1999.  The understanding was that Enable was not going to be usable after Y2K.
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com

________________________________

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Mon 7/18/2005 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)



I doubt anyone else ever heard of Enable OA 4.5, an integrated package
from Enable Software originally called the Software Group of Ballston
Lake, NY.  Used it extensively when I was at DOH and I though it was a
real coupe when I was able to steal their top database programmer who
ran the database help desk.  She was one great programmer.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


>
> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
> reincarnations.
>
> Arthur
> 
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 13:12:59 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:12:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D9133@belgarion.Outbak.local>
Message-ID: <200507181813.j6IID5R24420@databaseadvisors.com>

Enable! F******k! I remember that morceau de merde! A nice try, but rather
like I behave when playing baseball and called upon to bat. I hope for a
walk! LOL. It's not strictly a hand-to-eye issue since I can play badminton
and table-tennis... something about baseball defeats me! And so for Enable.
They assembled all the pieces and they worked, sort of. But ohhh God, would
you live in that environment? Not I! Reminded me too much of VisiON
(remember that dinosaur?) 

Tanks for the memories, Jeff! I had completely forgotten about that baby.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows
Sent: July 18, 2005 10:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

I remember having to convert 50 or so 'programs' from Enable to Access back
in 1999.  The understanding was that Enable was not going to be usable after
Y2K.
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 18 14:24:30 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:24:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507162333.j6GNX8R02024@databaseadvisors.com>
	<002f01c58b84$57aa4e10$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <42DC01EE.9040809@shaw.ca>

A couple of old mainframe database ported to the PC.
Well Sybase was ported to the PC and became MS SQL Server. The SAP DB 
that is now MaxSQL from MySQL
was a 1990 code fork from ADABAS-D
I go back to the Network ISAM DB called GIS (General Information 
Services) for IBM 360's or IBM IMS.
or Honeywell's IDS 2 (This was Codysl based) for GCOS or Multics around 
1978..
I wrote a lot of Cobol for VSAM files which were single ISAM indexed tables.

Then I have written simple quadtree octtree and B* Tree databases in C 
for simple Geographic Information Systems
and grad database courses. PS these courses are very easy if you have 
written a couple of commercial versions previously.
Hey I was top of my class in one, of course it helps if nearly everyone 
else dropped out. Went from 30 to 3 students at the end.
Oddly enough 90 % of the class were Canadian IT based civil servants. 
Most dropped out because the math was over their head.

There is still a long lasting commercial C code,  B tree database that 
uses these methods which has very fast and small footprint,
CodeBase is from Sequitur Software in Edmonton.

And who can forget Btrieve which formed a lot of DB products in the 80's 
for 8086 PC's.
Novell bought it then it slowly disappeared.
Or ZIM an entity relational database written in Mid 80's by Mike Chin a 
student of Codd.
I think ZIM is still sold by Sterling or Stirling Software.



Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

><<<
>in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>  
>
>The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on the
>West).
>Was it ported to PC?
>dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL proposals..
>
>Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked in a
>team,
>which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
>first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
>The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was better/comparable
>in the speed etc.
>These all were success story projects, the application systems using these
>DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then Perestroyka-Glasnost came
>and all that went nowhere because of economical chaos and uncertainty about
>the future...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>
>
>  
>
>>I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>>
>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>>
>>and
>>
>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>>
>>but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
>>    
>>
>readily
>  
>
>>available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue),
>>    
>>
>but
>  
>
>>I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named above,
>>their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their demises. In
>>addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others
>>    
>>
>that
>  
>
>>achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
>>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>
>>For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
>>once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
>>an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
>>    
>>
>subject
>  
>
>>but came up with nothing relevant.
>>
>>So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
>>rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and
>>    
>>
>so
>  
>
>>on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.
>>
>>dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
>>Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>>
>>FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
>>different cloth.
>>
>>Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.
>>
>>Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
>>    
>>
>happened
>  
>
>>to them.
>>
>>Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>>
>>Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
>>number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>>
>>Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>>
>>InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
>>happened here.
>>
>>(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
>>    
>>
>from
>  
>
>>those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
>>    
>>
>databases.)
>  
>
>>TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
>>reincarnations.
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 14:59:45 2005
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <42DC01EE.9040809@shaw.ca>
References: <200507162333.j6GNX8R02024@databaseadvisors.com>	<002f01c58b84$57aa4e10$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<42DC01EE.9040809@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <42DC0A31.30803@earthlink.net>

Those mentioned, plus a few understandably overlooked (Recital, 
Quicksilver, VpInfo, Sharkbase, dbMan), are listed at 
http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~xbase.

PB

-----

MartyConnelly wrote:

> A couple of old mainframe database ported to the PC.
> Well Sybase was ported to the PC and became MS SQL Server. The SAP DB 
> that is now MaxSQL from MySQL
> was a 1990 code fork from ADABAS-D
> I go back to the Network ISAM DB called GIS (General Information 
> Services) for IBM 360's or IBM IMS.
> or Honeywell's IDS 2 (This was Codysl based) for GCOS or Multics 
> around 1978..
> I wrote a lot of Cobol for VSAM files which were single ISAM indexed 
> tables.
>
> Then I have written simple quadtree octtree and B* Tree databases in C 
> for simple Geographic Information Systems
> and grad database courses. PS these courses are very easy if you have 
> written a couple of commercial versions previously.
> Hey I was top of my class in one, of course it helps if nearly 
> everyone else dropped out. Went from 30 to 3 students at the end.
> Oddly enough 90 % of the class were Canadian IT based civil servants. 
> Most dropped out because the math was over their head.
>
> There is still a long lasting commercial C code,  B tree database that 
> uses these methods which has very fast and small footprint,
> CodeBase is from Sequitur Software in Edmonton.
>
> And who can forget Btrieve which formed a lot of DB products in the 
> 80's for 8086 PC's.
> Novell bought it then it slowly disappeared.
> Or ZIM an entity relational database written in Mid 80's by Mike Chin 
> a student of Codd.
> I think ZIM is still sold by Sterling or Stirling Software.
>
>
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> <<<
>> in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>  
>>
>> The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on the
>> West).
>> Was it ported to PC?
>> dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL 
>> proposals..
>>
>> Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked 
>> in a
>> team,
>> which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
>> first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
>> The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was 
>> better/comparable
>> in the speed etc.
>> These all were success story projects, the application systems using 
>> these
>> DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then Perestroyka-Glasnost 
>> came
>> and all that went nowhere because of economical chaos and uncertainty 
>> about
>> the future...
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>>>
>>> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>>>
>>> but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>> hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
>>>   
>>
>> readily
>>  
>>
>>> available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue),
>>>   
>>
>> but
>>  
>>
>>> I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named 
>>> above,
>>> their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their 
>>> demises. In
>>> addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others
>>>   
>>
>> that
>>  
>>
>>> achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>>> Fuller
>>> Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>>
>>> For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of 
>>> databases I
>>> once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even 
>>> deployed
>>> an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
>>>   
>>
>> subject
>>  
>>
>>> but came up with nothing relevant.
>>>
>>> So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, 
>>> but
>>> rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
>>>   
>>
>> the
>>  
>>
>>> products went off the market, when the companies folded or were 
>>> sold, and
>>>   
>>
>> so
>>  
>>
>>> on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island 
>>> Databases. LOL.
>>>
>>> dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but 
>>> then
>>> Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>>>
>>> FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
>>> different cloth.
>>>
>>> Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this 
>>> score.
>>>
>>> Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
>>>   
>>
>> happened
>>  
>>
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>>>
>>> Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have 
>>> undergone a
>>> number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>>>
>>> Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>>>
>>> InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea 
>>> what
>>> happened here.
>>>
>>> (This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
>>>   
>>
>> from
>>  
>>
>>> those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
>>>   
>>
>> databases.)
>>  
>>
>>> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
>>> reincarnations.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>   
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>


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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Jul 18 15:18:03 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:18:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <42DC0A31.30803@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200507182018.j6IKIDFr172182@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net>

I was thinking R:Base but it is still alive.
http://www.rbase.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

Those mentioned, plus a few understandably overlooked (Recital, Quicksilver,
VpInfo, Sharkbase, dbMan), are listed at
http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~xbase.

PB

-----

MartyConnelly wrote:

> A couple of old mainframe database ported to the PC.
> Well Sybase was ported to the PC and became MS SQL Server. The SAP DB 
> that is now MaxSQL from MySQL was a 1990 code fork from ADABAS-D I go 
> back to the Network ISAM DB called GIS (General Information
> Services) for IBM 360's or IBM IMS.
> or Honeywell's IDS 2 (This was Codysl based) for GCOS or Multics 
> around 1978..
> I wrote a lot of Cobol for VSAM files which were single ISAM indexed 
> tables.
>
> Then I have written simple quadtree octtree and B* Tree databases in C 
> for simple Geographic Information Systems and grad database courses. 
> PS these courses are very easy if you have written a couple of 
> commercial versions previously.
> Hey I was top of my class in one, of course it helps if nearly 
> everyone else dropped out. Went from 30 to 3 students at the end.
> Oddly enough 90 % of the class were Canadian IT based civil servants. 
> Most dropped out because the math was over their head.
>
> There is still a long lasting commercial C code,  B tree database that 
> uses these methods which has very fast and small footprint, CodeBase 
> is from Sequitur Software in Edmonton.
>
> And who can forget Btrieve which formed a lot of DB products in the 
> 80's for 8086 PC's.
> Novell bought it then it slowly disappeared.
> Or ZIM an entity relational database written in Mid 80's by Mike Chin 
> a student of Codd.
> I think ZIM is still sold by Sterling or Stirling Software.
>
>
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>> <<<
>> in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>  
>>
>> The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on 
>> the West).
>> Was it ported to PC?
>> dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL 
>> proposals..
>>
>> Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked 
>> in a team, which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
>> first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
>> The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was 
>> better/comparable in the speed etc.
>> These all were success story projects, the application systems using 
>> these DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then 
>> Perestroyka-Glasnost came and all that went nowhere because of 
>> economical chaos and uncertainty about the future...
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" 
>> <artful at rogers.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>>>
>>> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>>>
>>> but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl, 
>>> hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
>>>   
>>
>> readily
>>  
>>
>>> available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another 
>>> issue),
>>>   
>>
>> but
>>  
>>
>>> I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named 
>>> above, their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their 
>>> demises. In addition to the same for the PC products I named as well 
>>> as any others
>>>   
>>
>> that
>>  
>>
>>> achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>>> Fuller
>>> Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>>
>>> For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of 
>>> databases I
>>> once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even 
>>> deployed
>>> an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
>>>   
>>
>> subject
>>  
>>
>>> but came up with nothing relevant.
>>>
>>> So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, 
>>> but
>>> rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
>>>   
>>
>> the
>>  
>>
>>> products went off the market, when the companies folded or were 
>>> sold, and
>>>   
>>
>> so
>>  
>>
>>> on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island 
>>> Databases. LOL.
>>>
>>> dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but 
>>> then
>>> Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>>>
>>> FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
>>> different cloth.
>>>
>>> Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this 
>>> score.
>>>
>>> Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
>>>   
>>
>> happened
>>  
>>
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>>>
>>> Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have 
>>> undergone a
>>> number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>>>
>>> Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>>>
>>> InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea 
>>> what
>>> happened here.
>>>
>>> (This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
>>>   
>>
>> from
>>  
>>
>>> those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
>>>   
>>
>> databases.)
>>  
>>
>>> TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
>>> reincarnations.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Jul 18 16:50:17 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:50:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507162327.j6GNRdR00903@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050718215022.858B842416@omta16.mta.everyone.net>

You guys have been getting into *old* databases, so I thought I'd mention my favorite old one. It was flat, but it was so easy to use.

In 1981, I bought my first AppleII, and started using AppleWorks. I had thousands of records of various kinds in the database portion of the program. Didn't use the spreadsheet portion much, but used the word processing a lot. After I upgraded to the AppleIIgs, I eventually added a "PC Transporter" card to run dos on the Apple Iigs. The only reason I was hesitating about switching to a PC was that I could not have funtioned without AppleWorks. Then I found out about SuperWorks which was a lookalike/workalike of AppleWorks, made for dos machines. And there was a program called CrossWorks that hooked the two machines together to port AW to SW via null modem. Had absolutely no problem with SuperWorks using my data, and used that right up til the time I joined AccessD to start learning Access. Actually, I still have a couple of databases in SW, that I never got around to moving into Access.

BTW, I still use CrossWorks to move clients' Apple Family Roots data from the AppleIIgs to the PC for the PC Family Roots. 

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   



From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 17:39:09 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:39:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <42DC01EE.9040809@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <200507182239.j6IMdCR02351@databaseadvisors.com>

ZIM! I forgot about that baby! I loved it! Didn't make even a nickel
becoming expert at it but I LOVED that baby! An old and cherished
friend/colleague Kevin Speicher was the first person I knew who was into
Zim. He helped me comprehend that product, and I thought it awesome, but its
wedding to *nix killed it, IMO. I still regard it as a very fine
achievement.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: July 18, 2005 3:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

A couple of old mainframe database ported to the PC.
Well Sybase was ported to the PC and became MS SQL Server. The SAP DB 
that is now MaxSQL from MySQL
was a 1990 code fork from ADABAS-D
I go back to the Network ISAM DB called GIS (General Information 
Services) for IBM 360's or IBM IMS.
or Honeywell's IDS 2 (This was Codysl based) for GCOS or Multics around 
1978..
I wrote a lot of Cobol for VSAM files which were single ISAM indexed tables.

Then I have written simple quadtree octtree and B* Tree databases in C 
for simple Geographic Information Systems
and grad database courses. PS these courses are very easy if you have 
written a couple of commercial versions previously.
Hey I was top of my class in one, of course it helps if nearly everyone 
else dropped out. Went from 30 to 3 students at the end.
Oddly enough 90 % of the class were Canadian IT based civil servants. 
Most dropped out because the math was over their head.

There is still a long lasting commercial C code,  B tree database that 
uses these methods which has very fast and small footprint,
CodeBase is from Sequitur Software in Edmonton.

And who can forget Btrieve which formed a lot of DB products in the 80's 
for 8086 PC's.
Novell bought it then it slowly disappeared.
Or ZIM an entity relational database written in Mid 80's by Mike Chin a 
student of Codd.
I think ZIM is still sold by Sterling or Stirling Software.



Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

><<<
>in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>  
>
>The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on the
>West).
>Was it ported to PC?
>dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL proposals..
>
>Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked in a
>team,
>which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
>first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
>The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was better/comparable
>in the speed etc.
>These all were success story projects, the application systems using these
>DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then Perestroyka-Glasnost came
>and all that went nowhere because of economical chaos and uncertainty about
>the future...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>
>
>  
>
>>I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>>
>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>>
>>and
>>
>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>>
>>but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
>>    
>>
>readily
>  
>
>>available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue),
>>    
>>
>but
>  
>
>>I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named above,
>>their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their demises. In
>>addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others
>>    
>>
>that
>  
>
>>achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
>>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>
>>For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
>>once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
>>an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
>>    
>>
>subject
>  
>
>>but came up with nothing relevant.
>>
>>So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
>>rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and
>>    
>>
>so
>  
>
>>on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.
>>
>>dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
>>Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>>
>>FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
>>different cloth.
>>
>>Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.
>>
>>Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
>>    
>>
>happened
>  
>
>>to them.
>>
>>Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>>
>>Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
>>number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>>
>>Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>>
>>InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
>>happened here.
>>
>>(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
>>    
>>
>from
>  
>
>>those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
>>    
>>
>databases.)
>  
>
>>TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
>>reincarnations.
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>
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>

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Victoria, B.C.
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 17:41:21 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:41:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <20050718215022.858B842416@omta16.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <200507182241.j6IMfMR03028@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh Kathryn, I had no idea you were as old as I. Do you want to have an
affair? LOL! 

Arthur the Ancient

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: July 18, 2005 5:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

You guys have been getting into *old* databases, so I thought I'd mention my
favorite old one. It was flat, but it was so easy to use.

In 1981, I bought my first AppleII, and started using AppleWorks. I had
thousands of records of various kinds in the database portion of the
program. Didn't use the spreadsheet portion much, but used the word
processing a lot. After I upgraded to the AppleIIgs, I eventually added a
"PC Transporter" card to run dos on the Apple Iigs. The only reason I was
hesitating about switching to a PC was that I could not have funtioned
without AppleWorks. Then I found out about SuperWorks which was a
lookalike/workalike of AppleWorks, made for dos machines. And there was a
program called CrossWorks that hooked the two machines together to port AW
to SW via null modem. Had absolutely no problem with SuperWorks using my
data, and used that right up til the time I joined AccessD to start learning
Access. Actually, I still have a couple of databases in SW, that I never got
around to moving into Access.

BTW, I still use CrossWorks to move clients' Apple Family Roots data from
the AppleIIgs to the PC for the PC Family Roots. 

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Jul 18 18:10:49 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:10:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507182241.j6IMfMR03028@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050718231055.333B140F26@omta16.mta.everyone.net>

LOL - my husband might object. Actually, I'm one of the "old" ones on the list. Just had my 57th birthday, and Dave had his 60th in May.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 18 Jul 2005 3:41 pm
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> Oh Kathryn, I had no idea you were as old as I. Do you want 
> to have an affair? LOL! 
> 
> Arthur the Ancient



From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 21:47:53 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:47:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <20050718231055.333B140F26@omta16.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <200507190247.j6J2lrR10851@databaseadvisors.com>

I have been accused of Anti-Americanism more than once on this channel, and
objected to same... but that is all water under the bridge. Consider the man
called Lance. 

No matter what your ethnic-religious-political persuasion... this is a MAN!
(Even if you are a female, that does not matter. Lance is a MAN for all of
us to admire forever!)

It is not steroids, nor politics, nor being white, nor anything else. Lance
is something special, like Gretzky, like Schwarzenegger, like Fischer, like
Mozart.... 

This kind of thing cannot be explained but only enjoyed! Lance a Lot! A man
that makes me, at least, feel profoundly inadequate. I bicycle daily but
fageddaboudit, I could not dream of coming close. 

He is on some other planet of skill, courage, talent, and desire ... Like
Roger in tennis or Tiger in golf or Wayne in hockey or Wolfgang in music...
What explains this? I have no idea. 

All I know is that I love talent. Three years ago I bet a close friend that
Roger would be regarded as the best tennis player of all time. I think I won
that bet. Tiger just won his 10th major, catching up with Jack...and he
still has about 30+ years to go.

Looking at Lance, there is no one who would even take the bet. 

Maestro Reyes in 9-ball... Who would doubt that he is the greatest 9-ball
player who ever lived... Ask Corey Duel or Earl the Pearl Strickland or Alex
Pagulayan who is the best. They will all answer Reyes! There is no question
about this. From time to time, Reyes may lose a match or even a tournament,
but that is not the issue. Reyes goes beyond talent. So do Tiger, Wayne,
Bobby and others in their respective disciplines. 

I wish I lived on their planet. All I can do is admire from the bleachers,
try my best when playing and realize that I am not even on the same planet
-- and recognize greatness when I see it. 

I have an eye for greatness. Four years ago I predicted Justine and Roger
and Corey and Alex. I can see them coming. I wish that I could play them,
but that is not the case. What I can do well is spot the newcomers. I have
an eye for greatness. I would have preferred to be great, but that is not
what happened. I will settle for recognition of greatness. There are worse
fates.

I wish I could play to their level but sadly all I can do is see them
coming. Alex Pagulayan will win the world championship within two years.
Trust me. This will occur in a beautiful handing-off of the crown, when
Reyes acknowledges that Pagulayan won fair and square. There will be no
humiliation, just the transfer of the crown. I will pay you a dollar if I am
wrong.

Since I have ventured such arrogance, why stop now? The principal problem
with 9-ball is the fluke-on-break rule. I propose a radical change in the
rules, guaranteed to piss off the television broadcasters but f**k them.

My new rules for 9-ball:
Anything that falls off the break does not count unless you called it (i.e.
3-ball in the lower left corner (7-o'clock position);
Four balls must hit a rail or a ball sinks, else ball in hand;

In short, make the game like snooker. F**k the TV sponsors. You call a ball
off the break and if it goes in, you keep shooting. If not, or if any other
ball goes in, it is my shot.

This would cause breaks like those in snooker, which in my opinion would
elevate the game MILES. Of course that is just my opinion, and I recognize
that others would prefer that this not become a game of skill.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: July 18, 2005 7:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

LOL - my husband might object. Actually, I'm one of the "old" ones on the
list. Just had my 57th birthday, and Dave had his 60th in May.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 18 Jul 2005 3:41 pm
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> Oh Kathryn, I had no idea you were as old as I. Do you want 
> to have an affair? LOL! 
> 
> Arthur the Ancient

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul 18 21:57:48 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:57:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507190247.j6J2lrR10851@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000801c58c0d$a5a0ced0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Hmmm.... Did this belong on this list (and subject)?  Sounds like OT to me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


I have been accused of Anti-Americanism more than once on this channel, and
objected to same... but that is all water under the bridge. Consider the man
called Lance. 

No matter what your ethnic-religious-political persuasion... this is a MAN!
(Even if you are a female, that does not matter. Lance is a MAN for all of
us to admire forever!)

It is not steroids, nor politics, nor being white, nor anything else. Lance
is something special, like Gretzky, like Schwarzenegger, like Fischer, like
Mozart.... 

This kind of thing cannot be explained but only enjoyed! Lance a Lot! A man
that makes me, at least, feel profoundly inadequate. I bicycle daily but
fageddaboudit, I could not dream of coming close. 

He is on some other planet of skill, courage, talent, and desire ... Like
Roger in tennis or Tiger in golf or Wayne in hockey or Wolfgang in music...
What explains this? I have no idea. 

All I know is that I love talent. Three years ago I bet a close friend that
Roger would be regarded as the best tennis player of all time. I think I won
that bet. Tiger just won his 10th major, catching up with Jack...and he
still has about 30+ years to go.

Looking at Lance, there is no one who would even take the bet. 

Maestro Reyes in 9-ball... Who would doubt that he is the greatest 9-ball
player who ever lived... Ask Corey Duel or Earl the Pearl Strickland or Alex
Pagulayan who is the best. They will all answer Reyes! There is no question
about this. From time to time, Reyes may lose a match or even a tournament,
but that is not the issue. Reyes goes beyond talent. So do Tiger, Wayne,
Bobby and others in their respective disciplines. 

I wish I lived on their planet. All I can do is admire from the bleachers,
try my best when playing and realize that I am not even on the same planet
-- and recognize greatness when I see it. 

I have an eye for greatness. Four years ago I predicted Justine and Roger
and Corey and Alex. I can see them coming. I wish that I could play them,
but that is not the case. What I can do well is spot the newcomers. I have
an eye for greatness. I would have preferred to be great, but that is not
what happened. I will settle for recognition of greatness. There are worse
fates.

I wish I could play to their level but sadly all I can do is see them
coming. Alex Pagulayan will win the world championship within two years.
Trust me. This will occur in a beautiful handing-off of the crown, when
Reyes acknowledges that Pagulayan won fair and square. There will be no
humiliation, just the transfer of the crown. I will pay you a dollar if I am
wrong.

Since I have ventured such arrogance, why stop now? The principal problem
with 9-ball is the fluke-on-break rule. I propose a radical change in the
rules, guaranteed to piss off the television broadcasters but f**k them.

My new rules for 9-ball:
Anything that falls off the break does not count unless you called it (i.e.
3-ball in the lower left corner (7-o'clock position); Four balls must hit a
rail or a ball sinks, else ball in hand;

In short, make the game like snooker. F**k the TV sponsors. You call a ball
off the break and if it goes in, you keep shooting. If not, or if any other
ball goes in, it is my shot.

This would cause breaks like those in snooker, which in my opinion would
elevate the game MILES. Of course that is just my opinion, and I recognize
that others would prefer that this not become a game of skill.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: July 18, 2005 7:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

LOL - my husband might object. Actually, I'm one of the "old" ones on the
list. Just had my 57th birthday, and Dave had his 60th in May.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 18 Jul 2005 3:41 pm
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> Oh Kathryn, I had no idea you were as old as I. Do you want
> to have an affair? LOL! 
> 
> Arthur the Ancient

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul 19 00:56:36 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:56:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <000801c58c0d$a5a0ced0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <008c01c58c26$9fbf56d0$bba80c54@minster33c3r25>

I agree. Sorry Arthur but this really is for OT.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: 19 July 2005 03:58
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> 
> Hmmm.... Did this belong on this list (and subject)?  Sounds 
> like OT to me.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:48 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> 
> I have been accused of Anti-Americanism more than once on 
> this channel, and objected to same... but that is all water 
> under the bridge. Consider the man called Lance. 
> 
> No matter what your ethnic-religious-political persuasion... 
> this is a MAN! (Even if you are a female, that does not 
> matter. Lance is a MAN for all of us to admire forever!)
> 
> It is not steroids, nor politics, nor being white, nor 
> anything else. Lance is something special, like Gretzky, like 
> Schwarzenegger, like Fischer, like Mozart.... 
> 
> This kind of thing cannot be explained but only enjoyed! 
> Lance a Lot! A man that makes me, at least, feel profoundly 
> inadequate. I bicycle daily but fageddaboudit, I could not 
> dream of coming close. 
> 
> He is on some other planet of skill, courage, talent, and 
> desire ... Like Roger in tennis or Tiger in golf or Wayne in 
> hockey or Wolfgang in music... What explains this? I have no idea. 
> 
> All I know is that I love talent. Three years ago I bet a 
> close friend that Roger would be regarded as the best tennis 
> player of all time. I think I won that bet. Tiger just won 
> his 10th major, catching up with Jack...and he still has 
> about 30+ years to go.
> 
> Looking at Lance, there is no one who would even take the bet. 
> 
> Maestro Reyes in 9-ball... Who would doubt that he is the 
> greatest 9-ball player who ever lived... Ask Corey Duel or 
> Earl the Pearl Strickland or Alex Pagulayan who is the best. 
> They will all answer Reyes! There is no question about this. 
> From time to time, Reyes may lose a match or even a 
> tournament, but that is not the issue. Reyes goes beyond 
> talent. So do Tiger, Wayne, Bobby and others in their 
> respective disciplines. 
> 
> I wish I lived on their planet. All I can do is admire from 
> the bleachers, try my best when playing and realize that I am 
> not even on the same planet
> -- and recognize greatness when I see it. 
> 
> I have an eye for greatness. Four years ago I predicted 
> Justine and Roger and Corey and Alex. I can see them coming. 
> I wish that I could play them, but that is not the case. What 
> I can do well is spot the newcomers. I have an eye for 
> greatness. I would have preferred to be great, but that is 
> not what happened. I will settle for recognition of 
> greatness. There are worse fates.
> 
> I wish I could play to their level but sadly all I can do is 
> see them coming. Alex Pagulayan will win the world 
> championship within two years. Trust me. This will occur in a 
> beautiful handing-off of the crown, when Reyes acknowledges 
> that Pagulayan won fair and square. There will be no 
> humiliation, just the transfer of the crown. I will pay you a 
> dollar if I am wrong.
> 
> Since I have ventured such arrogance, why stop now? The 
> principal problem with 9-ball is the fluke-on-break rule. I 
> propose a radical change in the rules, guaranteed to piss off 
> the television broadcasters but f**k them.
> 
> My new rules for 9-ball:
> Anything that falls off the break does not count unless you 
> called it (i.e. 3-ball in the lower left corner (7-o'clock 
> position); Four balls must hit a rail or a ball sinks, else 
> ball in hand;
> 
> In short, make the game like snooker. F**k the TV sponsors. 
> You call a ball off the break and if it goes in, you keep 
> shooting. If not, or if any other ball goes in, it is my shot.
> 
> This would cause breaks like those in snooker, which in my 
> opinion would elevate the game MILES. Of course that is just 
> my opinion, and I recognize that others would prefer that 
> this not become a game of skill.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: July 18, 2005 7:11 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> 
> LOL - my husband might object. Actually, I'm one of the "old" 
> ones on the list. Just had my 57th birthday, and Dave had his 
> 60th in May.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: 18 Jul 2005 3:41 pm
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
> > 
> > Oh Kathryn, I had no idea you were as old as I. Do you want 
> to have an 
> > affair? LOL!
> > 
> > Arthur the Ancient
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jul 19 01:25:43 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:25:43 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
Message-ID: <s2dcb928.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Ohh, quite obviously Arthur was carried away by a man(?) with twisted
b...s!

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 07/19 7:56 am >>>
I agree. Sorry Arthur but this really is for OT.



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 19 12:25:07 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:25:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507182239.j6IMdCR02351@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42DD3773.5090806@shaw.ca>

Zim is still on the master standing offer for software for use by 
Canadian Public Sevants.
So I guess they are stilll using it in Ottawa.
Zanthe Software ran it for the years, I used it.
Then Sterling Software owned it for 10 years and ran it from Ottawa
and then Computer Associates owned  it for a year.
And then guess who bought it in 2002. Ohh No....

Michael Cowpland from Corel fame after being bounced out of Corel for 
stock trading misadventures.
His old partner Sir Terry Matthews is also back buying software firm 
startups in Canada too.

http://www.zim.biz

There are ODBC's for ZIM and maybe an OLEDB so you can run from Access 
and maybe they fixed the lack of ER relations and membership
which stalled it from serious use.


Arthur Fuller wrote:

>ZIM! I forgot about that baby! I loved it! Didn't make even a nickel
>becoming expert at it but I LOVED that baby! An old and cherished
>friend/colleague Kevin Speicher was the first person I knew who was into
>Zim. He helped me comprehend that product, and I thought it awesome, but its
>wedding to *nix killed it, IMO. I still regard it as a very fine
>achievement.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: July 18, 2005 3:25 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>
>A couple of old mainframe database ported to the PC.
>Well Sybase was ported to the PC and became MS SQL Server. The SAP DB 
>that is now MaxSQL from MySQL
>was a 1990 code fork from ADABAS-D
>I go back to the Network ISAM DB called GIS (General Information 
>Services) for IBM 360's or IBM IMS.
>or Honeywell's IDS 2 (This was Codysl based) for GCOS or Multics around 
>1978..
>I wrote a lot of Cobol for VSAM files which were single ISAM indexed tables.
>
>Then I have written simple quadtree octtree and B* Tree databases in C 
>for simple Geographic Information Systems
>and grad database courses. PS these courses are very easy if you have 
>written a couple of commercial versions previously.
>Hey I was top of my class in one, of course it helps if nearly everyone 
>else dropped out. Went from 30 to 3 students at the end.
>Oddly enough 90 % of the class were Canadian IT based civil servants. 
>Most dropped out because the math was over their head.
>
>There is still a long lasting commercial C code,  B tree database that 
>uses these methods which has very fast and small footprint,
>CodeBase is from Sequitur Software in Edmonton.
>
>And who can forget Btrieve which formed a lot of DB products in the 80's 
>for 8086 PC's.
>Novell bought it then it slowly disappeared.
>Or ZIM an entity relational database written in Mid 80's by Mike Chin a 
>student of Codd.
>I think ZIM is still sold by Sterling or Stirling Software.
>
>
>
>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>  
>
>><<<
>>in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>> 
>>
>>The main CODASYL proposals based system for mainframes was IDMS (on the
>>West).
>>Was it ported to PC?
>>dbVista (Raima Data Manager) is also known as based on CODASYL proposals..
>>
>>Here in Russia (Soviet Union) in ancient now times of 80ies I worked in a
>>team,
>>which developed CODASYL proposals based DBMSs:
>>first for IBM 360/370, then for PDP11 and then for IBM PC.
>>The version for IBM370 was tested against IDMS and it was better/comparable
>>in the speed etc.
>>These all were success story projects, the application systems using these
>>DBMSe were developed and used in exUSSR but then Perestroyka-Glasnost came
>>and all that went nowhere because of economical chaos and uncertainty about
>>the future...
>>
>>Shamil
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:33 AM
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I forgot to mention that I did find these links:
>>>
>>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/cern.html
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>http://wwwdb.web.cern.ch/wwwdb/aboutdbs/history/industry.html
>>>
>>>but found them lacking, in particular with reference to Codysyl,
>>>hierarchical and network database history. Most of the PC history is
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>readily
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>available, at least in terms of birthdate (deathdate is another issue),
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>but
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am particularly interested in the chronology of the designs named above,
>>>their progenitors, their lifespans, their utility, and their demises. In
>>>addition to the same for the PC products I named as well as any others
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>that
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>achieved some popularity or at least reputations for excellence.
>>>
>>>Arthur
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>Sent: July 16, 2005 7:28 PM
>>>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
>>>
>>>For some reason it occurred to me today to compile a list of databases I
>>>once used (and perhaps more than once), once loved, and once even deployed
>>>an app against. I tried a few googles on subjects approximating the
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>subject
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>but came up with nothing relevant.
>>>
>>>So I am proposing this tentative list -- not meant to be exhaustive, but
>>>rather just OTTOMH... the ultimate goal being to compile a list of when
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>the
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>products went off the market, when the companies folded or were sold, and
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>so
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>on. For the Brits on the list, let`s call it Desert Island Databases. LOL.
>>>
>>>dBASE II... became dBASE III, begat dBASE IV (still Ashton-Tate, but then
>>>Borland bought the latter and tried dBASE V and it went nowhere, IIRC).
>>>
>>>FoxBase begat FoxPro... was bought by MS and still exists, in radically
>>>different cloth.
>>>
>>>Revelation... lost track long ago... no idea what happened on this score.
>>>
>>>Clarion... fabulous executables, dumb-ass language... no idea what
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>happened
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>to them.
>>>
>>>Paradox... is it still for sale... no idea.
>>>
>>>Btrieve... the history of this baby eludes me... seems to have undergone a
>>>number of evolutions and buyouts but I have no detail.
>>>
>>>Knowledgeman... lost track more than a decade ago.
>>>
>>>InfoStar (this is really for the geriatrics in this list!). No idea what
>>>happened here.
>>>
>>>(This list is obviously PC-centric, but I would love some contributions
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>from
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>those aware of the histories of various mini, midi and mainframe
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>databases.)
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>TIA to any and all who can contribute obituaries or documentation of
>>>reincarnations.
>>>
>>>Arthur
>>>
>>>
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>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Jul 19 13:00:06 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:00:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Interl Software Insight Series
Message-ID: <001001c58c8b$b3691bc0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://www.intel.com/software/insight/

Shamil



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Jul 19 13:09:25 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:09:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Interl Software Insight Series
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C25E46@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABED16@ADGSERVER>

Thanks, signed up.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:00 PM
To: !dba-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Interl Software Insight Series


http://www.intel.com/software/insight/

Shamil



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 21 08:36:57 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:36:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABED16@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <200507211337.j6LDb0R11002@databaseadvisors.com>

I can't figure out how to set this stuff up. Advices?

TIA,
Arthur



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 21 08:40:56 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:40:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <20050718231055.333B140F26@omta16.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <200507211340.j6LDexR12443@databaseadvisors.com>

I just discovered a link to Framework, which lives! Bloddy L! Probably my
fave program of all time (aside from the asinine @ signs that prefaced
everything in the programming language called FRED). Wot a concept Framework
was. Magnificent! I'm about to get a copy of their latest (they're up to FW8
now) just to see what they are up to.

Arthur



From darsant at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 09:05:54 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:05:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <200507211337.j6LDb0R11002@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABED16@ADGSERVER>
	<200507211337.j6LDb0R11002@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a050721070555457761@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/21/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> I can't figure out how to set this stuff up. Advices?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur

What exactly are you trying to do with the RSS & Firefox?

-- 
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 21 09:29:01 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:29:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a050721070555457761@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507211429.j6LET4R24922@databaseadvisors.com>

Make it work! Subscribe to some RSS feeds and make them happen. Nothing
complex LOL.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane
Sent: July 21, 2005 10:06 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox

On 7/21/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> I can't figure out how to set this stuff up. Advices?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur

What exactly are you trying to do with the RSS & Firefox?

-- 
Josh McFarlane




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 09:49:56 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:49:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <200507211429.j6LET4R24922@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <53c8e05a050721070555457761@mail.gmail.com>
	<200507211429.j6LET4R24922@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9205072107496927a39a@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/07/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Make it work! Subscribe to some RSS feeds and make them happen. Nothing
> complex LOL.

There are a couple of ways to do it.

1) If the page has the RSS feed setup in the headers of the web page,
ala Slashdot, then you can just click on the orange icon in the status
bar. This will allow you to bookmark the RSS Feed. Once bookmarked,
the feed acts sort of like a folder. When you "open" the feed from
your bookmarks menu, the stories are show in it. From there, just
click on the story you want to read, and voila, the page opens.

2) You can install an RSS reader extension. I personally use Sage,
http://sage.mozdev.org/ This give you an RSS reader in a sidebar
window. The nice thing about Sage, is that it allows you to "discover"
RSS feeds on pages that don't have them set up in the web page's
headers, ala CBC http://cbc/ca/rss/. To use Sage, just open it in the
sidebar, click on the feed. This will fill in the stories in the lower
portion of the sidebar AND the active tab in the main browser window.
Form there, just click on the story in the lower portion of the
sidebar, or on the story in the main browser window.

Does that help?

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul 21 11:40:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:40:31 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
References: <200507211340.j6LDexR12443@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c58e12$edfacf80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I just discovered a link to Framework,
Do you mean this link, Arthur?
http://www.framework.com/

BTW, I think that this is James Martin
(http://www.softwarehistory.org/history/important_people.html - Founded
Information Engineering approach) - who has written a book, which I forgot
how it was titled (sorry - was that  "Viewdata and the Information
Society"),
which predicted around 1980 what will happen in the next 20+
years in Information Systems area . I read
this book as a Xeroxed copy that times - these were here the times we have
had a few foreign books  translated (but all the main articles from many
magazine were available in English although photocopied only also).

He has written another book now "After the Internet : Alien Intelligence"
(he has 100+ books published AFAIK) - will that be as right in his
predictions as the one from eighties....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


> I just discovered a link to Framework, which lives! Bloddy L! Probably my
> fave program of all time (aside from the asinine @ signs that prefaced
> everything in the programming language called FRED). Wot a concept
Framework
> was. Magnificent! I'm about to get a copy of their latest (they're up to
FW8
> now) just to see what they are up to.
>
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul 21 13:13:57 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:13:57 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Interview with JDN|developer about the WiX toolset
	(and thus Open Source at Microsoft)
Message-ID: <000401c58e22$aecd4e90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://blogs.msdn.com/robmen/archive/2005/04/25/411877.aspx

Shamil


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 14:46:50 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:46:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RSS and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <200507211429.j6LET4R24922@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <53c8e05a050721070555457761@mail.gmail.com>
	<200507211429.j6LET4R24922@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9205072112463dc5f19@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/07/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Make it work! Subscribe to some RSS feeds and make them happen. Nothing
> complex LOL.

I just stumbled across this Arthur. It may help too:
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/live-bookmarks.html

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 21 18:05:16 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:05:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <001b01c58e12$edfacf80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200507212305.j6LN5FR25139@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes and I had a great conversation just now with Moshe, who seems to be
running the new Framework initiative, about which I can say nothing since I
just "signed" a verbal NDA.

I will look into "After the Internet : Alien Intelligence". In fact, I have
just inked a new writing deal for which he and this book might prove prime
material! Thanks!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: July 21, 2005 12:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)

> I just discovered a link to Framework,
Do you mean this link, Arthur?
http://www.framework.com/

BTW, I think that this is James Martin
(http://www.softwarehistory.org/history/important_people.html - Founded
Information Engineering approach) - who has written a book, which I forgot
how it was titled (sorry - was that  "Viewdata and the Information
Society"),
which predicted around 1980 what will happen in the next 20+
years in Information Systems area . I read
this book as a Xeroxed copy that times - these were here the times we have
had a few foreign books  translated (but all the main articles from many
magazine were available in English although photocopied only also).

He has written another book now "After the Internet : Alien Intelligence"
(he has 100+ books published AFAIK) - will that be as right in his
predictions as the one from eighties....

Shamil

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<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)


> I just discovered a link to Framework, which lives! Bloddy L! Probably my
> fave program of all time (aside from the asinine @ signs that prefaced
> everything in the programming language called FRED). Wot a concept
Framework
> was. Magnificent! I'm about to get a copy of their latest (they're up to
FW8
> now) just to see what they are up to.
>
> Arthur
>
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From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Tue Jul 26 15:58:48 2005
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:58:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross Posted:  Looking for a .NET developer near Neenah,
	WI
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D9137@belgarion.Outbak.local>

Anybody looking for a .NET contract (12 months +)?????
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Jul 26 16:55:53 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:55:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross Posted: Looking for a .NET developer near Neenah,
	WI
In-Reply-To: <24352037.1122411921587.JavaMail.root@sniper22>
Message-ID: <000001c5922c$cbc8adb0$0518820a@danwaters>

Jeff,  

I'm an Access only programmer, so just out of curiosity what is the
approximate pay range for this work?

Dan Waters

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:59 PM
To: dba-OT; Dba-Tech; dba-VB; AccessD
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross Posted: Looking for a .NET developer near
Neenah,WI

Anybody looking for a .NET contract (12 months +)?????
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Jul 26 17:23:31 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:23:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <20050726152339.5537329C@dm16.mta.everyone.net>

I have a laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-GRT360ZG) running WindowsXPpro. For various not-pertinant reasons, I'm using it like a box, with external monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc. The external monitor is "MAG Innovision LT-456s" which is the same thing as Proview PL456S. I have version 10 of Windows Media Player.

My problem - whenever I look at something through WMP, it all comes up on both screens except for the actual video. On my laptop monitor, I can see the video just fine. However, on the external monitor, I see just a slightly purple square. Here's a partial screen capture:
http://www.bassett.net/storage/WMPanomoly.jpg
Slightly purple surrounded by the black - on the laptop, that purple area is playing the video. In order to watch the video, I have to turn my head to where the laptop sits and watch it on that monitor.

Any ideas about why the video doesn't play on both?

An interesting side note - I have PrintKey2000 and when I did my screen capture it captured the external monitor, not the laptop monitor. First time I've made a screen capture of something that made me notice which monitor it's capturing.

Note, I'm *not* talking about dual screens where some things can be on one monitor and part on the other. I've no idea if that would work with my computer or not, or how to even try to see if that can be done.


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   



From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Tue Jul 26 21:27:15 2005
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:27:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [dba-OT] Cross Posted: Looking for a .NET developer
	near Neenah, WI
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D014B44@belgarion.Outbak.local>

Sorry, I should have been more specific.

I was contacted by a recruiter who is looking for a .NET developer
looking for a long term contract in Neenah, WI.  The company is looking
for 10 years experience in IT and at least 2 years experience with .NET.
I was told that they are willing to relax their requirements a little
for a 'local boy (or girl).

If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list and I will send
additional information, including the recruiters name and contact
information.

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:59 PM
To: dba-OT; Dba-Tech; dba-VB; AccessD
Subject: [dba-OT] Cross Posted: Looking for a .NET developer near
Neenah, WI

Anybody looking for a .NET contract (12 months +)?????
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Wed Jul 27 02:11:57 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:11:57 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
References: <20050726152339.5537329C@dm16.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <006201c5927a$7a33fce0$0700a8c0@s1800>

Kathryn,
I have a PC for Video editing with professional editing software and two 
monitors. I have found the same problem one or two years ago. I was told 
somethign I cannot remember exactly, but it was about the insert cannot be 
displayed on the second monitor. Also, I think that in some cases the video 
did display on the second screen.
this was using WMP.
the pro software doesnt put the video on the second screen, so there is no 
problem with that.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens


>I have a laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-GRT360ZG) running WindowsXPpro. For various 
>not-pertinant reasons, I'm using it like a box, with external monitor, 
>mouse, keyboard, etc. The external monitor is "MAG Innovision LT-456s" 
>which is the same thing as Proview PL456S. I have version 10 of Windows 
>Media Player.
>
> My problem - whenever I look at something through WMP, it all comes up on 
> both screens except for the actual video. On my laptop monitor, I can see 
> the video just fine. However, on the external monitor, I see just a 
> slightly purple square. Here's a partial screen capture:
> http://www.bassett.net/storage/WMPanomoly.jpg
> Slightly purple surrounded by the black - on the laptop, that purple area 
> is playing the video. In order to watch the video, I have to turn my head 
> to where the laptop sits and watch it on that monitor.
>
> Any ideas about why the video doesn't play on both?
>
> An interesting side note - I have PrintKey2000 and when I did my screen 
> capture it captured the external monitor, not the laptop monitor. First 
> time I've made a screen capture of something that made me notice which 
> monitor it's capturing.
>
> Note, I'm *not* talking about dual screens where some things can be on one 
> monitor and part on the other. I've no idea if that would work with my 
> computer or not, or how to even try to see if that can be done.
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Jul 27 04:45:32 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:45:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D77@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


There is a video copy protection in the WMP codec for playing DVD.
When your second monitor is set in extended desktop you won't see any
DVD video on the second screen.
The second monitor needs to be set in CLONE mode.

This is not the case when using other DVD player software, at least the
ones I have. 

Greetings
Erwin

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

Kathryn,
I have a PC for Video editing with professional editing software and two
monitors. I have found the same problem one or two years ago. I was told
somethign I cannot remember exactly, but it was about the insert cannot
be displayed on the second monitor. Also, I think that in some cases the
video did display on the second screen.
this was using WMP.
the pro software doesnt put the video on the second screen, so there is
no problem with that.

Lembit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens


>I have a laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-GRT360ZG) running WindowsXPpro. For
various 
>not-pertinant reasons, I'm using it like a box, with external monitor, 
>mouse, keyboard, etc. The external monitor is "MAG Innovision LT-456s" 
>which is the same thing as Proview PL456S. I have version 10 of Windows

>Media Player.
>
> My problem - whenever I look at something through WMP, it all comes up
on 
> both screens except for the actual video. On my laptop monitor, I can
see 
> the video just fine. However, on the external monitor, I see just a 
> slightly purple square. Here's a partial screen capture:
> http://www.bassett.net/storage/WMPanomoly.jpg
> Slightly purple surrounded by the black - on the laptop, that purple
area 
> is playing the video. In order to watch the video, I have to turn my
head 
> to where the laptop sits and watch it on that monitor.
>
> Any ideas about why the video doesn't play on both?
>
> An interesting side note - I have PrintKey2000 and when I did my
screen 
> capture it captured the external monitor, not the laptop monitor.
First 
> time I've made a screen capture of something that made me notice which

> monitor it's capturing.
>
> Note, I'm *not* talking about dual screens where some things can be on
one 
> monitor and part on the other. I've no idea if that would work with my

> computer or not, or how to even try to see if that can be done.
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From marcus at tsstech.com  Wed Jul 27 06:46:23 2005
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:46:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D028A0799@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? The CODEC installed
from that software is what WMP uses. If it is an old version, it may be
that the developer didn't program for second monitor use. I have seen
this before; installing newer versions of the DVD software usually fixes
the issue.

You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are you saying
that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If so, it may be some
setting for the video driver.

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

Kathryn,
I have a PC for Video editing with professional editing software and two

monitors. I have found the same problem one or two years ago. I was told

somethign I cannot remember exactly, but it was about the insert cannot
be 
displayed on the second monitor. Also, I think that in some cases the
video 
did display on the second screen.
this was using WMP.
the pro software doesnt put the video on the second screen, so there is
no 
problem with that.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens


>I have a laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-GRT360ZG) running WindowsXPpro. For
various 
>not-pertinant reasons, I'm using it like a box, with external monitor, 
>mouse, keyboard, etc. The external monitor is "MAG Innovision LT-456s" 
>which is the same thing as Proview PL456S. I have version 10 of Windows

>Media Player.
>
> My problem - whenever I look at something through WMP, it all comes up
on 
> both screens except for the actual video. On my laptop monitor, I can
see 
> the video just fine. However, on the external monitor, I see just a 
> slightly purple square. Here's a partial screen capture:
> http://www.bassett.net/storage/WMPanomoly.jpg
> Slightly purple surrounded by the black - on the laptop, that purple
area 
> is playing the video. In order to watch the video, I have to turn my
head 
> to where the laptop sits and watch it on that monitor.
>
> Any ideas about why the video doesn't play on both?
>
> An interesting side note - I have PrintKey2000 and when I did my
screen 
> capture it captured the external monitor, not the laptop monitor.
First 
> time I've made a screen capture of something that made me notice which

> monitor it's capturing.
>
> Note, I'm *not* talking about dual screens where some things can be on
one 
> monitor and part on the other. I've no idea if that would work with my

> computer or not, or how to even try to see if that can be done.
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 07:52:51 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:52:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dearly Departed Databases (R.I.P.)
In-Reply-To: <200507211340.j6LDexR12443@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <20050718231055.333B140F26@omta16.mta.everyone.net>
	<200507211340.j6LDexR12443@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30507270552769a1f6a@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

I loved Framework, too!  Boy, last time I worked with it was in '87
maybe.  What they did with small frames of documents on a DOS screen
was phenomenal.  I, of course, was fairly enamored of Ashton-Tate in
those days, so I would automatically give preference to an A-T
product.  But Framework was worth it, I say.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On 7/21/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> I just discovered a link to Framework, which lives! Bloddy L! Probably my
> fave program of all time (aside from the asinine @ signs that prefaced
> everything in the programming language called FRED). Wot a concept Framework
> was. Magnificent! I'm about to get a copy of their latest (they're up to FW8
> now) just to see what they are up to.
> 
> Arthur
>


From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jul 27 20:48:08 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:48:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D028A0799@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <20050727184810.55378C54@dm18.mta.everyone.net>

> Scott Marcus said:
 
> What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 

Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition. There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what all is there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is an external DVD burner (HP).

> You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are 
> you saying that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If 
> so, it may be some setting for the video driver.

That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the once exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, but I don't know what version of WMP was the last one that it worked for. I've been "living with it" for a long time.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Jul 28 01:16:52 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D87@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Kathryn

Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

> Scott Marcus said:
 
> What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 

Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition.
There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what all is
there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is an external DVD
burner (HP).

> You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are you saying

> that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If so, it may be some 
> setting for the video driver.

That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the once
exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, but I don't know
what version of WMP was the last one that it worked for. I've been
"living with it" for a long time.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

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From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Jul 28 07:35:07 2005
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:35:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D028A0859@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

No, I don't mean what you burn stuff with. I mean what piece of software
is installed that plays DVD movies. If it used to work, this is probably
not the problem (unless you installed a piece of software that installed
an old DVD CODEC and WMP is using that CODEC as default).

I would check out Erwin's reply.


Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

> Scott Marcus said:
 
> What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 

Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition.
There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what all is
there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is an external DVD
burner (HP).

> You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are 
> you saying that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If 
> so, it may be some setting for the video driver.

That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the once
exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, but I don't know
what version of WMP was the last one that it worked for. I've been
"living with it" for a long time.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

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From darsant at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 09:08:53 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:08:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
In-Reply-To: <20050727184810.55378C54@dm18.mta.everyone.net>
References: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D028A0799@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
	<20050727184810.55378C54@dm18.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a050728070841a946b6@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/27/05, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> > Scott Marcus said:
> 
> > What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine?
> 
> Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition. There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what all is there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is an external DVD burner (HP).
> 
> > You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are
> > you saying that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If
> > so, it may be some setting for the video driver.
> 
> That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the once exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, but I don't know what version of WMP was the last one that it worked for. I've been "living with it" for a long time.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net

It's done this with all the media programs I can think of with any
video format. I remember the issue when trying to play DVDs on my
laptop hooked up to TV, the only way I could fix it would be to make
the external monitor the primary monitor, or disable the laptop LCD.
For some reason video applications will only output video to one
display at a time.

-- 
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-Albert Einstein


From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Thu Jul 28 09:37:56 2005
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:37:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [dba-OT] Cross Posted: Looking for a .NET
	developernear Neenah, WI
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D913D@belgarion.Outbak.local>

I have already responded to one individual off-list.  If anyone else is interested in additional information, please contact me directly at the email address in my signature.
 
 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Jul 28 10:20:48 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:20:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
Message-ID: <010d01c59387$ef1c3b40$6a01a8c0@HAL9004>

Dear List:

My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with XP Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.  

I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I hate to start fooling around.

But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with former main machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.

Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 28 10:34:25 2005
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:34:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
In-Reply-To: <010d01c59387$ef1c3b40$6a01a8c0@HAL9004>
References: <010d01c59387$ef1c3b40$6a01a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <42E8FB01.30304@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

I believe there's no upgrade, it has to be a new install.

PB

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
>
>My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with XP Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.  
>
>I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I hate to start fooling around.
>
>But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with former main machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.
>
>Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?
>
>Thanks and regards,
>
>Rocky
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
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From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Thu Jul 28 10:37:59 2005
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:37:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
In-Reply-To: <010d01c59387$ef1c3b40$6a01a8c0@HAL9004>
References: <010d01c59387$ef1c3b40$6a01a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <43536.65.196.182.34.1122565079.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Rocky,

I upgraded a client's XP home machine to XP pro an few months ago and
there have been no hitches that I've seen as a result. I would have
preferred to go the clean rout, but they wanted to upgrade, and purchased
the retail upgrade cd. The upgrade cd is a pretty good deal as it has the
upgrade and full install where the full install only has the full install.
You noted that you had the original version from another machine, which
most likely does not have the upgrade version on the cd.

Jim




> Dear List:
>
> My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with XP
> Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.
>
> I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I hate
> to start fooling around.
>
> But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with former
> main machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.
>
> Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>




From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Jul 28 10:43:29 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:43:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83E9F@ALCUXB>

Not quite true... I bought an upgrade version... it'll upgrade from 9x, 2K,
or XP Home... but as it was a new pc, it installed it from scratch.
Apparently it gives you the choice of upgrading over the top, or formatting
and doing it all from scratch. I'd reccomend that way, because then there's
no "residue" left over from the old install.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net]
Sent: 28 July 2005 16:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home to XP


Rocky,

I believe there's no upgrade, it has to be a new install.

PB

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dear List:
>
>My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with XP
Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.  
>
>I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I hate to
start fooling around.
>
>But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with former main
machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.
>
>Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?
>
>Thanks and regards,
>
>Rocky
>_______________________________________________
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>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>  
>


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 11:42:19 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:42:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83E9F@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83E9F@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <aea6c495050728094271164233@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jon,

I think Peter meant there was no upgrade installation capability in
the Action Pack subscription package.  It might have only full version
installation media in the 50 to 75 or so CD's and DVD's in the
package.

GK

On 7/28/05, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Not quite true... I bought an upgrade version... it'll upgrade from 9x, 2K,
> or XP Home... but as it was a new pc, it installed it from scratch.
> Apparently it gives you the choice of upgrading over the top, or formatting
> and doing it all from scratch. I'd reccomend that way, because then there's
> no "residue" left over from the old install.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net]
> Sent: 28 July 2005 16:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> I believe there's no upgrade, it has to be a new install.
> 
> PB
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Dear List:
> >
> >My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with XP
> Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.
> >
> >I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I hate to
> start fooling around.
> >
> >But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with former main
> machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.
> >
> >Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?
> >
> >Thanks and regards,
> >
> >Rocky
> >_______________________________________________


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Thu Jul 28 14:10:09 2005
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:10:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
In-Reply-To: <aea6c495050728094271164233@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507281910.j6SJA9R15665@databaseadvisors.com>

Ah right... I personally would format and start again, so it's no real issue
anyway :-)


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 28 July 2005 17:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home to XP

Hi Jon,

I think Peter meant there was no upgrade installation capability in the
Action Pack subscription package.  It might have only full version
installation media in the 50 to 75 or so CD's and DVD's in the package.

GK

On 7/28/05, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Not quite true... I bought an upgrade version... it'll upgrade from 
> 9x, 2K, or XP Home... but as it was a new pc, it installed it from
scratch.
> Apparently it gives you the choice of upgrading over the top, or 
> formatting and doing it all from scratch. I'd reccomend that way, 
> because then there's no "residue" left over from the old install.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net]
> Sent: 28 July 2005 16:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home to XP
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> I believe there's no upgrade, it has to be a new install.
> 
> PB
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Dear List:
> >
> >My main machine is running XP Home.  My former main machine came with 
> >XP
> Pro.  I've got the Action Pack so I've got licenses for XP Pro.
> >
> >I've been thinking of upgrading main machine, but it's so stable, I 
> >hate to
> start fooling around.
> >
> >But there were a couple of things that went a bit smoother with 
> >former main
> machine so I'd like XP Pro on new main machine.
> >
> >Does anyone have opinions, advice, warnings about doing this?
> >
> >Thanks and regards,
> >
> >Rocky
> >_______________________________________________


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 03:21:55 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 9:21:55 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
Message-ID: <20050729082154.0E0C22536C3@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi all
Anyone know of a tool which will read/print MS Publisher files for someone
who has been sent one but doesn't have MS Pub?

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Jul 29 06:55:02 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:55:02 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
References: <20050729082154.0E0C22536C3@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000901c59434$5e058f00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Andy,

Why not use

Microsoft Office Document Image Writer

Installed with MS Office 2003?

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files


> Hi all
> Anyone know of a tool which will read/print MS Publisher files for someone
> who has been sent one but doesn't have MS Pub?
>
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 07:53:45 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
Message-ID: <20050729125342.DF44D2538FB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Problem is Shamil that a guy has received PUB files he wants to read/print
from a source over which he has no influence. He can't request them in
another form, which I think is what you're suggesting.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Shamil Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 29 July 2005 12:55
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
>
>
> Andy,
>
> Why not use
>
> Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
>
> Installed with MS Office 2003?
>
> HTH,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:21 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
>
>
> > Hi all
> > Anyone know of a tool which will read/print MS Publisher files for
> > someone who has been sent one but doesn't have MS Pub?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Jul 29 08:14:50 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:14:50 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
References: <20050729125342.DF44D2538FB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001501c5943f$8504c520$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

OK.
I just thought if they have MS Publisher 2003(?) they should also have MS
Office 2003 - so I supposed they can resend files printed using Microsoft
Office Document Image Writer...

I have MS Publisher 2003 - if the files are not big I can get them from you,
make .mdi images from them and send them back to you....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files


> Problem is Shamil that a guy has received PUB files he wants to read/print
> from a source over which he has no influence. He can't request them in
> another form, which I think is what you're suggesting.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: 29 July 2005 12:55
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
> >
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > Why not use
> >
> > Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
> >
> > Installed with MS Office 2003?
> >
> > HTH,
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:21 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> > > Anyone know of a tool which will read/print MS Publisher files for
> > > someone who has been sent one but doesn't have MS Pub?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 08:57:57 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:57:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
Message-ID: <20050729135754.7098024F55B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

That's very kind of you Shamil.

However this is a guy here who's going to be receiving files on a fairly
regular basis so I couldn't possibly ask you. He says he can't ask the
source to alter their way of doing things so it sounds like he's going to
have to buy Publisher just to read/print the files.

Again, thanks for your offer of help.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
Date: 29/07/05 13:11


OK.
I just thought if they have MS Publisher 2003(?) they should also have MS
Office 2003 - so I supposed they can resend files printed using Microsoft
Office Document Image Writer...

I have MS Publisher 2003 - if the files are not big I can get them from you,
make .mdi images from them and send them back to you....

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files


> Problem is Shamil that a guy has received PUB files he wants to read/print
> from a source over which he has no influence. He can't request them in
> another form, which I think is what you're suggesting.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: 29 July 2005 12:55
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
> >
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > Why not use
> >
> > Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
> >
> > Installed with MS Office 2003?
> >
> > HTH,
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:21 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reading Publisher files
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> > > Anyone know of a tool which will read/print MS Publisher files for
> > > someone who has been sent one but doesn't have MS Pub?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Jul 29 11:03:10 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:03:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send-To Shortcut for reg server
In-Reply-To: <20050729135754.7098024F55B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200507291603.j6TG3ER12504@databaseadvisors.com>

My senior moments are coming more quickly and furiously...

I used to have a trick for adding a shortcut to regsrvr on the "Send To"
menu, and damned if I can remember how I did it. Well, I can remember how to
create the shortcut, but not where to move it. Where does "Send To" live on
a system with several users? I looked in what I thought were the obvious
places but can't see it. Win2003Server is the OS.

TIA,
Arthur



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 29 11:10:21 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:10:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send-To Shortcut for reg server
References: <200507291603.j6TG3ER12504@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42EA54ED.4090107@shaw.ca>

On WinXP for me as a user

C:\Documents and Settings\marty\SendTo

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>My senior moments are coming more quickly and furiously...
>
>I used to have a trick for adding a shortcut to regsrvr on the "Send To"
>menu, and damned if I can remember how I did it. Well, I can remember how to
>create the shortcut, but not where to move it. Where does "Send To" live on
>a system with several users? I looked in what I thought were the obvious
>places but can't see it. Win2003Server is the OS.
>
>TIA,
>Arthur
>
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>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 29 11:21:17 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:21:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send-To Shortcut for reg server
References: <200507291603.j6TG3ER12504@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42EA577D.6090908@shaw.ca>

Here is a handy utility that you can use to copy long file pathnames 
from a windows explorer right click of the filename or directory
It copies to the clip board and/or use Ctrl -V
I just used for last message. My typing skills are worse than my memory.

Look for CopyPath or PathCopy under freeutilities.
http://home.worldonline.dk/ninotech/index.htm

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>My senior moments are coming more quickly and furiously...
>
>I used to have a trick for adding a shortcut to regsrvr on the "Send To"
>menu, and damned if I can remember how I did it. Well, I can remember how to
>create the shortcut, but not where to move it. Where does "Send To" live on
>a system with several users? I looked in what I thought were the obvious
>places but can't see it. Win2003Server is the OS.
>
>TIA,
>Arthur
>
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Victoria, B.C.
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Fri Jul 29 12:26:50 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:26:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D87@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20050729102656.5B3DCEA0@dm16.mta.everyone.net>

This is so weird! I went searching to find a clip to play so that I could specifically try your suggestion. But when I played a clip, for the first time in months, it's playing on both screens - without my having done anything (that I'm aware of). I'll keep your suggestion so that if it happens again, I can check out the status of Use Overlays.

Thanks.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> Sent: 27 Jul 2005 11:17 pm
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:48 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> > Scott Marcus said:
>  
> > What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 
> 
> Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition.
> There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what 
> all is there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is 
> an external DVD burner (HP).
> 
> > You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are 
> you saying
> 
> > that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If so, it 
> may be some 
> > setting for the video driver.
> 
> That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the 
> once exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, 
> but I don't know what version of WMP was the last one that it 
> worked for. I've been "living with it" for a long time.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 13:42:25 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:42:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send-To Shortcut for reg server
In-Reply-To: <200507291603.j6TG3ER12504@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <20050729135754.7098024F55B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<200507291603.j6TG3ER12504@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c92050729114225a0ab69@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/07/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> My senior moments are coming more quickly and furiously...
> 
> I used to have a trick for adding a shortcut to regsrvr on the "Send To"
> menu, and damned if I can remember how I did it. Well, I can remember how to
> create the shortcut, but not where to move it. Where does "Send To" live on
> a system with several users? I looked in what I thought were the obvious
> places but can't see it. Win2003Server is the OS.

Here is another "tool", a couple of reg keys that will give you
Register and Unregister as right click options in WinExplorer, one for
DLLs, and one for OCXs.

http://ccrp.mvps.org/download/cooltools/ocxdllreg.zip
http://ccrp.mvps.org/download/cooltools/ocxdllreg.reg

The OCX/DLL RegSvr Context Menu is a registration file which, when
merged into your registry by double clicking or installing, adds
'Register' and 'Unregister' commands to the context menu displayed
when right-clicking a ocx or dll file. This is a timesaver, removing
the need to run regsvr32 from the command line to register controls
and libraries. It is available as a zip and a reg file - the reg file
version will install immediately if you specify 'Open" when
downloading.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Jul 29 14:16:09 2005
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:16:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D028A0946@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Try playing a DVD and see if the problem is back.

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

This is so weird! I went searching to find a clip to play so that I
could specifically try your suggestion. But when I played a clip, for
the first time in months, it's playing on both screens - without my
having done anything (that I'm aware of). I'll keep your suggestion so
that if it happens again, I can check out the status of Use Overlays.

Thanks.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> Sent: 27 Jul 2005 11:17 pm
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:48 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> > Scott Marcus said:
>  
> > What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 
> 
> Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition.
> There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what 
> all is there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is 
> an external DVD burner (HP).
> 
> > You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are 
> you saying
> 
> > that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If so, it 
> may be some 
> > setting for the video driver.
> 
> That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the 
> once exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, 
> but I don't know what version of WMP was the last one that it 
> worked for. I've been "living with it" for a long time.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Jul 30 03:27:17 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:27:17 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D91@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Indeed, try playing a dvd.


The problem is probably codec related due to copy-protection feature
build in the MS WMP.
There is an MS KB article about this.
Only way to solve this is to use another codec.

Maybe you removed some other DVD player and by dooing that removing the
CODEC that did supported two screens...



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

Try playing a DVD and see if the problem is back.

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

This is so weird! I went searching to find a clip to play so that I
could specifically try your suggestion. But when I played a clip, for
the first time in months, it's playing on both screens - without my
having done anything (that I'm aware of). I'll keep your suggestion so
that if it happens again, I can check out the status of Use Overlays.

Thanks.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin 
> Craps - IT Helps
> Sent: 27 Jul 2005 11:17 pm
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
> Bassett
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:48 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
> 
> > Scott Marcus said:
>  
> > What DVD software do you have loaded on the machine? 
> 
> Do you mean what do I burn stuff with? I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition.
> There's other things installed too, but I lost track of what all is 
> there. In addition to the built in CD burner, there is an external DVD

> burner (HP).
> 
> > You mentioned that this is not set up as dual monitors. Are
> you saying
> 
> > that both monitors show exactly the same thing? If so, it
> may be some
> > setting for the video driver.
> 
> That is correct. Both monitors show the same thing. With the once 
> exception of the content of the WMP. It used to work, but I don't know

> what version of WMP was the last one that it worked for. I've been 
> "living with it" for a long time.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Sat Jul 30 18:32:17 2005
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:32:17 -0700
Subject: Solved - RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D87@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20050730163224.66994670@dm16.mta.everyone.net>

Erwin Craps suggested:
> Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.

YEAH - It went back to not working again so I hunted down where to find your suggestion. It took me some hunting but for the benefit of others, I found it in Tools > Options > Performance > Advanced. And there are two, one for video acceleration, and one for DVD video. I took the checkmark out of both and it works.

Thanks Erwin!

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 30 23:43:27 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:43:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Error 550
Message-ID: <000901c5958a$660f6e80$0300a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Jul 31 04:38:37 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:38:37 +0200
Subject: Solved - RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5D93@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

No prob

A lot of those second monitor able video cards are not really good.
A lot of them miss functionality on the second monitor like hardware
accelarating and overlay support.

Greetz


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Bassett
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:32 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Solved - RE: [dba-Tech] WMP on two screens

Erwin Craps suggested:
> Try to turn off "Use Overlays" in your WMP options.

YEAH - It went back to not working again so I hunted down where to find
your suggestion. It took me some hunting but for the benefit of others,
I found it in Tools > Options > Performance > Advanced. And there are
two, one for video acceleration, and one for DVD video. I took the
checkmark out of both and it works.

Thanks Erwin!

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   



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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 31 15:04:59 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remotes
Message-ID: <200507312005.j6VK53R00453@databaseadvisors.com>

Before I launch into this, let me ask this question. Look at your living
room table and count the number of remotes positioned thereupon. Include
those that fell between the sofa cushions while you drifted off switching
between Conan and Craig Ferguson.

 

Why is this? 

 

I can go to Tokyo or London or Albequerque and rent a car and it works
identically, no matter the brand, no matter the left/right rules. The car
works identically. Very occasionally I have to grope to figure out how to
dim the headlights, but most of the time I know exactly where everything is.

 

Borrow someone's cell phone for a moment (said cell from a different
manufacturer than yours). Suddenly you're in the world of "grope".

 

TV is IMO the WORST offender. One remote for the TV, another for the DVD,
another for the VHS. (By now I think BetaMaxes are all in the dustbin.)
Click one wrong button on one remote and you spend 5 minutes figuring out
the problem and you just missed the beginning of the most recent Law &
Order. 

 

I think I hate software, but I hate hardware an order of magnitude more. Why
o why cannot these manufacturers go to IEEE and settle on a spec, such that
one single remote can work everything (including, incidentally, my sound
system, microwave and so on)? 

 

I have seen allegedly universal remotes in the local stores, ranging from
$19 to $99, and they are laughable. The $19 ones assume that you have the
remote to machine X and that you will point them to each other and thus
absorb the signals. Sheep manure! I should be able to point the allegedly
universal remote at any receiving device and inhale its instruction set -
and if there is a problem then automatically visit the manufacturer's site
and download said instruction set and map it to the buttons on said
allegedly universal remote. All of these devices have ops in common -
loudness for example. Some have unique functions (i.e. dvd and cd can jump
to next track), and some have functions shared with one or two devices (i.e.
fast-forward within the selected track).

 

Being a dinosaur, I have lots of equipment incapable of such intelligent
responses (Oracle 3-pin turntable, lots of stuff made by Bose, etc.), but
the modern stuff I would expect capable of IEEE-like responses to a common
set of signals. But it seems not to be the case. At the moment I have 3
remotes on my coffee table, one for each device (cable tv input, dvd player
and vhs player). Aside from the physical clutter there is the intellectual
clutter. Why o why can't I have one device that works everything, including
setting the microwave to start defrosting the object therein at exactly 5:11
pm?

 

I don't get it. This seems SO obvious to me, as obvious as renting a car in
another country and knowing how it operates. I must be missing something
major here. or perhaps detecting an opportunity, as the marketing folks
would phrase it. But I have been bitching and whining about this for years,
and no one has leapt into the gap with a product that can do it. Is this
because all the vendors keep secrets?

 

 

 

 



From eptept at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 22:00:10 2005
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:00:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remotes
In-Reply-To: <200507312005.j6VK53R00453@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200507312005.j6VK53R00453@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4f4bf951050731200074cec381@mail.gmail.com>

William,
NO, the cars don't work identically....left drive vs. right
drive...totally different..
all instints are different..you look into the mirror and it's on the
left not the right...you shift with your left hand...you obviously
haven't driven in Europe.  Anyway, I'm tired, going to bed...BUT re:
your comments re: Bolder and Madison I think your out of
place...Tourch a snake hole,..hammer some nail...wrestle some
alagator...or throw yourself on a small fire, as a proper wet blanket
would do!
Ed

On 7/31/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Before I launch into this, let me ask this question. Look at your living
> room table and count the number of remotes positioned thereupon. Include
> those that fell between the sofa cushions while you drifted off switching
> between Conan and Craig Ferguson.
> 
> 
> 
> Why is this?
> 
> 
> 
> I can go to Tokyo or London or Albequerque and rent a car and it works
> identically, no matter the brand, no matter the left/right rules. The car
> works identically. Very occasionally I have to grope to figure out how to
> dim the headlights, but most of the time I know exactly where everything is.
> 
> 
> 
> Borrow someone's cell phone for a moment (said cell from a different
> manufacturer than yours). Suddenly you're in the world of "grope".
> 
> 
> 
> TV is IMO the WORST offender. One remote for the TV, another for the DVD,
> another for the VHS. (By now I think BetaMaxes are all in the dustbin.)
> Click one wrong button on one remote and you spend 5 minutes figuring out
> the problem and you just missed the beginning of the most recent Law &
> Order.
> 
> 
> 
> I think I hate software, but I hate hardware an order of magnitude more. Why
> o why cannot these manufacturers go to IEEE and settle on a spec, such that
> one single remote can work everything (including, incidentally, my sound
> system, microwave and so on)?
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen allegedly universal remotes in the local stores, ranging from
> $19 to $99, and they are laughable. The $19 ones assume that you have the
> remote to machine X and that you will point them to each other and thus
> absorb the signals. Sheep manure! I should be able to point the allegedly
> universal remote at any receiving device and inhale its instruction set -
> and if there is a problem then automatically visit the manufacturer's site
> and download said instruction set and map it to the buttons on said
> allegedly universal remote. All of these devices have ops in common -
> loudness for example. Some have unique functions (i.e. dvd and cd can jump
> to next track), and some have functions shared with one or two devices (i.e.
> fast-forward within the selected track).
> 
> 
> 
> Being a dinosaur, I have lots of equipment incapable of such intelligent
> responses (Oracle 3-pin turntable, lots of stuff made by Bose, etc.), but
> the modern stuff I would expect capable of IEEE-like responses to a common
> set of signals. But it seems not to be the case. At the moment I have 3
> remotes on my coffee table, one for each device (cable tv input, dvd player
> and vhs player). Aside from the physical clutter there is the intellectual
> clutter. Why o why can't I have one device that works everything, including
> setting the microwave to start defrosting the object therein at exactly 5:11
> pm?
> 
> 
> 
> I don't get it. This seems SO obvious to me, as obvious as renting a car in
> another country and knowing how it operates. I must be missing something
> major here. or perhaps detecting an opportunity, as the marketing folks
> would phrase it. But I have been bitching and whining about this for years,
> and no one has leapt into the gap with a product that can do it. Is this
> because all the vendors keep secrets?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 31 22:11:23 2005
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:11:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remotes
In-Reply-To: <200507312005.j6VK53R00453@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200507312005.j6VK53R00453@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42ED92DB.6040006@earthlink.net>

/>Look at your living room table and count the number of remotes
 >positioned thereupon. Include those that fell between the sofa cushions
 >while you drifted off switching between Conan and Craig Ferguson.

 >Why is this?
/
Might it be a bit of the 'free' market that's actually free?

P.

-----

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>Before I launch into this, let me ask this question. Look at your living
>room table and count the number of remotes positioned thereupon. Include
>those that fell between the sofa cushions while you drifted off switching
>between Conan and Craig Ferguson.
>
> 
>
>Why is this? 
>
> 
>
>I can go to Tokyo or London or Albequerque and rent a car and it works
>identically, no matter the brand, no matter the left/right rules. The car
>works identically. Very occasionally I have to grope to figure out how to
>dim the headlights, but most of the time I know exactly where everything is.
>
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>Borrow someone's cell phone for a moment (said cell from a different
>manufacturer than yours). Suddenly you're in the world of "grope".
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>TV is IMO the WORST offender. One remote for the TV, another for the DVD,
>another for the VHS. (By now I think BetaMaxes are all in the dustbin.)
>Click one wrong button on one remote and you spend 5 minutes figuring out
>the problem and you just missed the beginning of the most recent Law &
>Order. 
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>I think I hate software, but I hate hardware an order of magnitude more. Why
>o why cannot these manufacturers go to IEEE and settle on a spec, such that
>one single remote can work everything (including, incidentally, my sound
>system, microwave and so on)? 
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>I have seen allegedly universal remotes in the local stores, ranging from
>$19 to $99, and they are laughable. The $19 ones assume that you have the
>remote to machine X and that you will point them to each other and thus
>absorb the signals. Sheep manure! I should be able to point the allegedly
>universal remote at any receiving device and inhale its instruction set -
>and if there is a problem then automatically visit the manufacturer's site
>and download said instruction set and map it to the buttons on said
>allegedly universal remote. All of these devices have ops in common -
>loudness for example. Some have unique functions (i.e. dvd and cd can jump
>to next track), and some have functions shared with one or two devices (i.e.
>fast-forward within the selected track).
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>Being a dinosaur, I have lots of equipment incapable of such intelligent
>responses (Oracle 3-pin turntable, lots of stuff made by Bose, etc.), but
>the modern stuff I would expect capable of IEEE-like responses to a common
>set of signals. But it seems not to be the case. At the moment I have 3
>remotes on my coffee table, one for each device (cable tv input, dvd player
>and vhs player). Aside from the physical clutter there is the intellectual
>clutter. Why o why can't I have one device that works everything, including
>setting the microwave to start defrosting the object therein at exactly 5:11
>pm?
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> 
>
>I don't get it. This seems SO obvious to me, as obvious as renting a car in
>another country and knowing how it operates. I must be missing something
>major here. or perhaps detecting an opportunity, as the marketing folks
>would phrase it. But I have been bitching and whining about this for years,
>and no one has leapt into the gap with a product that can do it. Is this
>because all the vendors keep secrets?
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