From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Tue Mar  1 06:07:47 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:07:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] cannot access Workgroup
References: <b874372a0502251111692570b0@mail.gmail.com><00a801c51d92$97fda3a0$0400a8c0@m2533>
	<42236FC0.50109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <01c601c51e57$482b4330$0400a8c0@m2533>

thank you, Marty,
I am now searching there
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] cannot access Workgroup


> Maybe look through the forum archives here
> http:\\www.windowsbbs.com
>
> Lembit Soobik wrote:
>
> >since a few days I have this problem with my network (some Win2k and some
> >WinXP, no WinXP Service Pack 2):
> >- I cannot access 'Workgroup' on most PCs, on some I can but it shows
only
> >the PC itself, no others.
> >- I can however search ALL of the other computers and put a shortcut of
any
> >folder into the 'Network' and access anything I want this way.
> >- I could live with that except for this case:
> >- - I had to change the location of an Access97 Backend and cannot now
> >relink it with the table linking manager in Access, because it will not
show
> >me the shortcuts in the network.
> >
> >- I have turned off Zone Alarm: no effect
> >
> >- I have not found how to turn off the WinXP firewall, but since there
are
> >two Win2000 PCs on the network and they dont behave better, I doubt that
> >helps
> >
> >- cables, hardware, router, switches must be ok, since the connections
all
> >work when I do a Search Computer ?
> >
> >any idea where to look?
> >
> >thanks
> >Lembit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  1 07:08:44 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:08:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hash Algorithm (en/decryption)
Message-ID: <s224777e.032@cactus.dk>

Hi JR

Here password is the key you use when en- or decrypting.
It can be empty ...

/gustav

>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 28-02-2005 19:51:33 >>>
Thanks for the code snippet as well as the terminology correction.
Encryption is not my specialty. :)

I was wondering, what is the password used for?



From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 08:27:55 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:27:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk on startup
Message-ID: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

A few weeks ago, my old workstation (667 MHz, Windows XP Pro w/ SP-2,
384 MB RAM) decided that one of the 3 hard disks was iffy and ran
scandisk and chkdsk right after the the blue Windows progress bar goes
away. I have since run Gibson Research's SpinRite 6 on it three times
(fine product, by the way) without finding anything untoward. My
question is, how do I turn off the automatic scandisk/chkdsk
combination? I can press the space bar to skip the disk checking, but
where do I look to disable the automatic checking? Is it a Service?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  1 18:26:12 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:26:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
References: <002e01c51877$6c021da0$6c01a8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<001601c518b9$8f5e8580$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<000701c518be$02fb6590$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<39cb22f3050223050287e9ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<002301c519fd$dd0eeb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<421D1A41.2010303@shaw.ca>
	<000c01c51d11$a5051370$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <42250824.5010600@shaw.ca>

 Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write 
Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn 
out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP
team, I always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting 
heavier and everyone else is huddled down
debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.

 Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before 
it was sold to IBM
two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working 
on patterns for something called
aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example, 
the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
assuming similar underlying patterns..

Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems

OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor, 
misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in a
history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.

by Richard Mansfield
http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776

And all the hate mail in response
http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762

Further thoughts from Mansfield
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals
What Microsoft missed.
http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development not
>just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather trivial these
>days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first was investigated a
>lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful results IMO.  I did
>recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by Craig Larman - it shows
>that UML is a practical not an academic tool and that when combined with
>Software Design Patterns then it becomes even more powerful and more
>practical tool...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>
>
>  
>
>>UML. I had a funny a couple of months ago, when I got called into a
>>company to check their records rentention periods
>>for corporate compliance. I asked for a simple diagram of database
>>links. This was a large company and had a couple
>>of hundred databases spread around the country. Nobody had one. Don't
>>you guys use UML or data models
>>No that is passe, I was told. Each DBA seemed to run his own fiefdom. I
>>finally got one of the older hands to sketch me out a map on the backs
>>of beer coasters.
>>Transfered that to Visio then to System Architect. About a week later
>>the CIO got a copy of my basic diagrams
>>and demanded a fully fleshed out one, he had been looking for one for a
>>couple of years.
>>
>>
>>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>Developers know that no technology will take them
>>>>to the promised land that has been promised many times
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Steve,
>>>
>>>I believe the sentence above will become false in another 50-100 years :)
>>>
>>>Not in my lifetime probably :(
>>>
>>>OOP&D, software design patterns, UML and UML-based software design &
>>>development methodologies and practices, agile and extreme programming,
>>>managed code (like C# & VB.NET, managed C++),  effective risk, team &
>>>project management... - all these are promising, really useful and
>>>      
>>>
>therefore
>  
>
>>>solid foundation to get the road to the promised land built somewhere in
>>>      
>>>
>not
>  
>
>>>that far from today future....
>>>
>>>Shamil
>>>--
>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:02 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Shamil,
>>>>
>>>>I visited your home page and was struck by the quote there. It
>>>>reminded me of something I'd seen in InfoWorld a few years ago written
>>>>by a former programmer:
>>>>
>>>>"If art is making order out of chaos, then software developers are
>>>>        
>>>>
>artists
>  
>
>>>>at the highest level. Sure, you will hear about advances that promise to
>>>>make the life of the software developer easier -- object-oriented
>>>>programming, integrated development environments, and now Web
>>>>        
>>>>
>services --
>  
>
>>>>but walk into any development shop and the developers stare intently
>>>>        
>>>>
>into
>  
>
>>>>their monitors, facing conundrum after conundrum, but still fighting the
>>>>machine and bending it to their will. Developers know that no technology
>>>>will take them to the promised land that has been promised many times,
>>>>        
>>>>
>but
>  
>
>>>>faith in his or her ability to conquer the machine drives the sometimes
>>>>Sisyphean task."
>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry, I don't have the name of the programmer.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Erbach
>>>>Neenah, WI
>>>>USA
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:08:00 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
>>>><shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately in HANGS ON my VS.NET 2003 IDE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>It was one of the Add-ins I did download and install, which was hanging
>>>>>VS.NET 2003.
>>>>>It works OK now after I removed this add-in...
>>>>>
>>>>>So, I think this wrapper is useful...
>>>>>
>>>>>Shamil
>>>>>--
>>>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Mar  1 21:01:53 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:01:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
In-Reply-To: <42250824.5010600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c51ed4$34177620$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well I read the first article and I'm not impressed.  A lot of vitriol and
absolutely nothing advanced as an alternative.  

There are just a ton of things that classes make trivial that are a royal
PITA without them.  I am a "single programmer" and I use classes all the
time.  I use them because there are many places where I need to instantiate
more than a single instance of an object, the class holds all the data
structures and the code, it is just there, I wrote it, I understand it, I
just use it.  Now granted because this is Access, I am not using the
inheritance thing (though I wish I could).  There is absolutely NOTHING
difficult about writing classes.  Trivial to understand, trivial to write,
trivial to use.

As for cutting and pasting code... OH MY GOD.  I think that pretty much says
it all for me.  Anyone who is going to cut and paste any non-trivial code
would NEVER earn a position in my organization.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


 Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write 
Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn 
out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP team, I
always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting 
heavier and everyone else is huddled down
debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.

 Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before 
it was sold to IBM
two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working 
on patterns for something called
aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example, 
the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
assuming similar underlying patterns..

Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems

OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor, 
misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in a
history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.

by Richard Mansfield
http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776

And all the hate mail in response
http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762

Further thoughts from Mansfield http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals What
Microsoft missed. http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development 
>not just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather 
>trivial these days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first 
>was investigated a lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful 
>results IMO.  I did recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by 
>Craig Larman - it shows that UML is a practical not an academic tool 
>and that when combined with Software Design Patterns then it becomes 
>even more powerful and more practical tool...
>
>Shamil




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  2 01:57:33 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:57:33 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
References: <001401c51ed4$34177620$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <422571ED.9050507@shaw.ca>

Yes you but you use those simplistic languages ;). The first language I 
learned in the 70's was APL, which has had different keyboard symbology 
over the years.
I once used a series of APL programs to produce justification for an oil 
company to obtain a billion dollar loan
It had to be written inside a month, the mathematical statistical 
analysis was intense and I also had to produce a couple of hundred pages 
of graphs.
It would have taken months to write in C++ with classes. It is always 
horses for courses. That's what the OOP's guys forget and I think
what Mansfield was trying to say.
However APL moved on into a better OOP's language than C++ at least for 
parallel processing. Try doing parallel
algorithm design in C++.

The J programming language, developed in the early 90's by Ken Iverson 
and Roger Hui, is a synthesis of APL (also by Iverson) and the FP and FL 
functional programming languages created by John Backus (of FORTRAN, 
ALGOL, and BNF fame).

To avoid the problems faced by the special character set of APL, J 
requires only the basic ASCII character set, resorting to the use of dot 
and colon characters to extend the meaning of the basic characters 
available.Being an array programming language, J is very terse and 
powerful, and is often found to be useful for mathematical and 
statistical programming, especially when performing operations on matrices.

Like the original FP/FL languages, J supports function-level programming 
(also known as higher-order functional programming), via its tacit 
programming features (note that function-level programming is not the 
same as functional programming). Unlike most languages that support 
object-oriented programming, J's flexible hierarchichal namespace scheme 
(where every name exists in a particular locale) can be effectively used 
as a framework for both class-based and instance-based object oriented 
programming.

J is an non-von Neumann programming language that nevertheless allows 
the programmer to use von Neumann programming style when desired.
J is an extremely powerful language, and its programs can be very terse 
but even more cryptic. Here is a one-liner implementation of the 
quicksort algorithm:

 qsort =: ]`(($:@:((}.<:{.)#}.)),{.,($:@:((}.>{.)#}.)))@.(*@#)


  example             APL form     J form
Matrix product    x+.?y          x +/.* y

or
Here is an APL function that will determin the
determinant of a matrix.  It was developed for
APL\360 and has ran on all versions since. {It uses
the hard gotos that refer to line numbers, but they
were in style on those days.}


    {del} Z{<-}DET M;N;N
[1]   {->}3{times}{iota}2<N{<-}1{take}{shape}M
[2]   {->}0,Z{<-}({times}/ 1 1 {transpose}M)-{times}/
             1 1 {transpose}{reverse}M
[3]   J{<-}1+Z{<-}0
[4]   Z{<-}Z+M[1;J]{times}({neg}1*J+1){times}
            DET M[1{drop}{iota}N;(J{/=}{iota}N)/{iota}N]
[5]   {->}4{times}{iota}N{>=}J{<-}J+1
    {del}


Here is an old article on J
http://www.snakeisland.com/aplhiper.pdf


John W. Colby wrote:

>Well I read the first article and I'm not impressed.  A lot of vitriol and
>absolutely nothing advanced as an alternative.  
>
>There are just a ton of things that classes make trivial that are a royal
>PITA without them.  I am a "single programmer" and I use classes all the
>time.  I use them because there are many places where I need to instantiate
>more than a single instance of an object, the class holds all the data
>structures and the code, it is just there, I wrote it, I understand it, I
>just use it.  Now granted because this is Access, I am not using the
>inheritance thing (though I wish I could).  There is absolutely NOTHING
>difficult about writing classes.  Trivial to understand, trivial to write,
>trivial to use.
>
>As for cutting and pasting code... OH MY GOD.  I think that pretty much says
>it all for me.  Anyone who is going to cut and paste any non-trivial code
>would NEVER earn a position in my organization.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:26 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>
>
> Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write 
>Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
>to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn 
>out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP team, I
>always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting 
>heavier and everyone else is huddled down
>debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.
>
> Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before 
>it was sold to IBM
>two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working 
>on patterns for something called
>aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example, 
>the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
>assuming similar underlying patterns..
>
>Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems
>
>OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
>Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor, 
>misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in a
>history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.
>
>by Richard Mansfield
>http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>
>And all the hate mail in response
>http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762
>
>Further thoughts from Mansfield http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
>
>Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals What
>Microsoft missed. http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/
>
>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Marty,
>>
>>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development 
>>not just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather 
>>trivial these days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first 
>>was investigated a lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful 
>>results IMO.  I did recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by 
>>Craig Larman - it shows that UML is a practical not an academic tool 
>>and that when combined with Software Design Patterns then it becomes 
>>even more powerful and more practical tool...
>>
>>Shamil
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 08:38:43 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:38:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
In-Reply-To: <11949090.1109732674899.JavaMail.root@sniper19>
Message-ID: <001001c51f35$8926db40$123a11d8@danwaters>

John,

In my programming career, I've probably written 300,000 lines of code, but
none of it in classes.  And you're probably rolling your eyes about now!

Do you have a very simple example of a class, or have a tutorial somewhere
of how to create one?

I am also a single programmer, and want to at least know about this tool so
I can pick it up when appropriate.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
ProMation Systems


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion

Well I read the first article and I'm not impressed.  A lot of vitriol and
absolutely nothing advanced as an alternative.  

There are just a ton of things that classes make trivial that are a royal
PITA without them.  I am a "single programmer" and I use classes all the
time.  I use them because there are many places where I need to instantiate
more than a single instance of an object, the class holds all the data
structures and the code, it is just there, I wrote it, I understand it, I
just use it.  Now granted because this is Access, I am not using the
inheritance thing (though I wish I could).  There is absolutely NOTHING
difficult about writing classes.  Trivial to understand, trivial to write,
trivial to use.

As for cutting and pasting code... OH MY GOD.  I think that pretty much says
it all for me.  Anyone who is going to cut and paste any non-trivial code
would NEVER earn a position in my organization.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


 Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write 
Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn 
out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP team, I
always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting 
heavier and everyone else is huddled down
debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.

 Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before 
it was sold to IBM
two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working 
on patterns for something called
aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example, 
the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
assuming similar underlying patterns..

Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems

OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor, 
misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in a
history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.

by Richard Mansfield
http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776

And all the hate mail in response
http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762

Further thoughts from Mansfield http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals What
Microsoft missed. http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development 
>not just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather 
>trivial these days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first 
>was investigated a lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful 
>results IMO.  I did recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by 
>Craig Larman - it shows that UML is a practical not an academic tool 
>and that when combined with Software Design Patterns then it becomes 
>even more powerful and more practical tool...
>
>Shamil


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Mar  2 08:41:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:41:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
In-Reply-To: <422571ED.9050507@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001201c51f35$ed44e450$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>its horses for courses

That is not forgotten by me.  I don't use C or C++ specifically because it's
purpose is not general purpose programming.  I used 'C' for two years to
program a zworld micro-controller to build a vending machine, but for that
application is was exactly what was needed.  OTOH I used Turbo Pascal back
in the 80s when it was one of the few languages available on what was then
referred to as Micros (PCs) which had strong typing yet a simple / powerful
syntax.  It was totally procedural but it offered functions, top down
declarations requiring declaring variables before use, strong typing when
passing variables etc.  

When it moved to objects I moved with it and loved the concept.  It had
inheritance etc.  I used it to write test stand programs for Puritan Bennett
for testing hot-wire anemometer flow sensors going into ventilators.  For
that purpose it worked quite well, but in the end it wasn't widely accepted
as a language, plus I moved on to Access 2.0 which was archaic from that
perspective.

C was written for "programming to the metal" and simply should almost NEVER
be used for higher level applications, but of course is pretty much the only
thing taught widely in college so is used for everything whether it fits or
not.

Every language was designed for something specific and generally does that
something well, and everything else not so well.  But when all your taught
is a hammer...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


Yes you but you use those simplistic languages ;). The first language I 
learned in the 70's was APL, which has had different keyboard symbology 
over the years.
I once used a series of APL programs to produce justification for an oil 
company to obtain a billion dollar loan
It had to be written inside a month, the mathematical statistical 
analysis was intense and I also had to produce a couple of hundred pages 
of graphs.
It would have taken months to write in C++ with classes. It is always 
horses for courses. That's what the OOP's guys forget and I think what
Mansfield was trying to say. However APL moved on into a better OOP's
language than C++ at least for 
parallel processing. Try doing parallel
algorithm design in C++.

The J programming language, developed in the early 90's by Ken Iverson 
and Roger Hui, is a synthesis of APL (also by Iverson) and the FP and FL 
functional programming languages created by John Backus (of FORTRAN, 
ALGOL, and BNF fame).

To avoid the problems faced by the special character set of APL, J 
requires only the basic ASCII character set, resorting to the use of dot 
and colon characters to extend the meaning of the basic characters 
available.Being an array programming language, J is very terse and 
powerful, and is often found to be useful for mathematical and 
statistical programming, especially when performing operations on matrices.

Like the original FP/FL languages, J supports function-level programming 
(also known as higher-order functional programming), via its tacit 
programming features (note that function-level programming is not the 
same as functional programming). Unlike most languages that support 
object-oriented programming, J's flexible hierarchichal namespace scheme 
(where every name exists in a particular locale) can be effectively used 
as a framework for both class-based and instance-based object oriented 
programming.

J is an non-von Neumann programming language that nevertheless allows 
the programmer to use von Neumann programming style when desired. J is an
extremely powerful language, and its programs can be very terse 
but even more cryptic. Here is a one-liner implementation of the 
quicksort algorithm:

 qsort =: ]`(($:@:((}.<:{.)#}.)),{.,($:@:((}.>{.)#}.)))@.(*@#)


  example             APL form     J form
Matrix product    x+.<y          x +/.* y

or
Here is an APL function that will determin the
determinant of a matrix.  It was developed for
APL\360 and has ran on all versions since. {It uses
the hard gotos that refer to line numbers, but they
were in style on those days.}


    {del} Z{<-}DET M;N;N
[1]   {->}3{times}{iota}2<N{<-}1{take}{shape}M
[2]   {->}0,Z{<-}({times}/ 1 1 {transpose}M)-{times}/
             1 1 {transpose}{reverse}M
[3]   J{<-}1+Z{<-}0
[4]   Z{<-}Z+M[1;J]{times}({neg}1*J+1){times}
            DET M[1{drop}{iota}N;(J{/=}{iota}N)/{iota}N]
[5]   {->}4{times}{iota}N{>=}J{<-}J+1
    {del}


Here is an old article on J http://www.snakeisland.com/aplhiper.pdf


John W. Colby wrote:

>Well I read the first article and I'm not impressed.  A lot of vitriol 
>and absolutely nothing advanced as an alternative.
>
>There are just a ton of things that classes make trivial that are a 
>royal PITA without them.  I am a "single programmer" and I use classes 
>all the time.  I use them because there are many places where I need to 
>instantiate more than a single instance of an object, the class holds 
>all the data structures and the code, it is just there, I wrote it, I 
>understand it, I just use it.  Now granted because this is Access, I am 
>not using the inheritance thing (though I wish I could).  There is 
>absolutely NOTHING difficult about writing classes.  Trivial to 
>understand, trivial to write, trivial to use.
>
>As for cutting and pasting code... OH MY GOD.  I think that pretty much 
>says it all for me.  Anyone who is going to cut and paste any 
>non-trivial code would NEVER earn a position in my organization.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:26 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>
>
> Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write
>Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
>to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn 
>out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP team, I
>always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting 
>heavier and everyone else is huddled down
>debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.
>
> Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before
>it was sold to IBM
>two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working 
>on patterns for something called
>aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example, 
>the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
>assuming similar underlying patterns..
>
>Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems
>
>OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
>Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor,
>misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in a
>history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.
>
>by Richard Mansfield
>http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>
>And all the hate mail in response 
>http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762
>
>Further thoughts from Mansfield 
>http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
>
>Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals What 
>Microsoft missed. http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/
>
>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Marty,
>>
>>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & 
>>development
>>not just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather 
>>trivial these days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first 
>>was investigated a lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful 
>>results IMO.  I did recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by 
>>Craig Larman - it shows that UML is a practical not an academic tool 
>>and that when combined with Software Design Patterns then it becomes 
>>even more powerful and more practical tool...
>>
>>Shamil
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 10:19:51 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:19:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Antivirus Software.... again
Message-ID: <b874372a05030208196701cd6c@mail.gmail.com>

I like to follow up on opensource software.  Mainly because I do get a
kick of looking at the source code, (I learn a lot this way). But also
because there are a lot of "great" programs out there that work often
better than rival closed source software...

this month's project of the month is ClamWin based on the Clam A/V
software.  I haven't tried it and was wondering if anyone on the list
has, or knew more details of it.

http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2005-02.php

Thanks,



-- 
-Francisco
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Mar  2 10:21:50 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:21:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
In-Reply-To: <001001c51f35$8926db40$123a11d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001301c51f43$f03fa560$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>In my programming career, I've probably written 300,000 lines of code, but
none of it in classes.  And you're probably rolling your eyes about now!

Not at all.  I learned OO programming using TurboPascal in the late 80s.
When I moved to Access AFAIK it didn't have classes back then so I "lost
it", went back to procedural methods simply because that was all the tool
provided.  I only started using classes in Access about 5 years ago.  I must
say that I now use them a LOT.  

Sooo... Here ya go, about as simple as it gets, but it demonstrates
admirably the benefits of a class.  Insert a class and cut and paste this
code in to your database.  Save it as clsTimer.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'
'
Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                    Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long

Private lngStartTime As Long

'THESE FUNCTIONS / SUBS ARE USED TO IMPLEMENT CLASS FUNCTIONALITY
'*+Class function / sub declaration
Function EndTimer()
    EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function

Sub StartTimer()
    lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub
'*-Class function / sub declaration


This class is a "timer" of something happening down to a millisecond
resolution.  To use it you simply dim the class and call the StartTimer
method.

Dim lclsTimer as clsTimer

	set lclsTimer = new clsTimer
	lclsTimer.StartTimer

	.
	.
	.some piece of code you want to time
	.
	.
	debug.print lclstimer.EndTimer

To see the advantage of using it over "the competition", suppose you need to
time an inner and outer loop of code...  (or how long a couple of queries
take to run?)

Dim XInner as long
Dim YOuter as long
Dim lclsTimerInner as clsTimer
Dim lclsTimerOuter as clsTimer

	set lclsTimerInner = new ClsTimer
	set lclsTimerOuter as new clsTimer

	lclsTimerOuter.StartTimer
	while YOuter = 1 to 2000
		.
		.lots of code being timed
		.
		lclsTimerInner.StartTimer
		while Xinner = 1 to 15
			.
			.
			.inner loop code being timed
			.
		wend
		debug.Print "Inner Loop: " & lclsTimerInner.EndTimer
		.
		.more code 
		.
	wend
	debug.print "Outer Loop: " & lclsTimerOuter.EndTimer

Because the "data" is stored internally to the class, you can use one or a
thousand instances of this class, anywhere in your code you need to time
something.  You don't have to set up global variables to hold the data, you
don't have to use a collection to hold the various timer values (some
alternatives to a class) etc.  The data for the timer is with the timer
class instance.  The variable holding the class instance is where the timing
occurs.  

Can you do this another way?  Of course but it isn't clean and elegant.  The
alternatives require storing the "time" somewhere "global" and then indexing
in to get the times (collections or arrays) or setting up a new global
variable for each timer and passing in the variable name or something
similar.

YUK

Classes take a little more code to set up (the DIM and the SET
(instantiation)), but where they make sense they will provide a much cleaner
program.  The timer is about the simplest useful class I have ever run into.
Most classes have many variables holding data and many methods for
processing.  But start simple.  Use the timer, learn how to Dim and Set a
class pointer, how to call methods etc.  Once you understand that then move
on.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


John,

In my programming career, I've probably written 300,000 lines of code, but
none of it in classes.  And you're probably rolling your eyes about now!

Do you have a very simple example of a class, or have a tutorial somewhere
of how to create one?

I am also a single programmer, and want to at least know about this tool so
I can pick it up when appropriate.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
ProMation Systems




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar  2 10:33:14 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:33:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Antivirus Software.... again
Message-ID: <s225f8f2.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

We have installed it on a couple of machines and it seems to work
excellent and quiet and consuming little resources.
Though we prefer CA eTrust for our corporate clients, ClamWin seems
fine for small or private clients who may have the money to pay for a
license but just can't deal with renewals etc. without calling us and
wasting our time. So we plan to charge some money for installing it,
donate half of these to ClamWin, and then forget about it.

/gustav

>>> fhtapia at gmail.com 02-03-2005 17:19:51 >>>
I like to follow up on opensource software.  Mainly because I do get a
kick of looking at the source code, (I learn a lot this way). But also
because there are a lot of "great" programs out there that work often
better than rival closed source software...

this month's project of the month is ClamWin based on the Clam A/V
software.  I haven't tried it and was wondering if anyone on the list
has, or knew more details of it.

http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2005-02.php 

Thanks,
-- 
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon!
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 11:09:27 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:09:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
In-Reply-To: <17537137.1109780770360.JavaMail.root@sniper5>
Message-ID: <001f01c51f4a$98a57b70$123a11d8@danwaters>

John - Thank You!

I'll try this by next week - right now I'm trying to finish a web site that
I've promised will be published by Monday.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:22 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion

>In my programming career, I've probably written 300,000 lines of code, but
none of it in classes.  And you're probably rolling your eyes about now!

Not at all.  I learned OO programming using TurboPascal in the late 80s.
When I moved to Access AFAIK it didn't have classes back then so I "lost
it", went back to procedural methods simply because that was all the tool
provided.  I only started using classes in Access about 5 years ago.  I must
say that I now use them a LOT.  

Sooo... Here ya go, about as simple as it gets, but it demonstrates
admirably the benefits of a class.  Insert a class and cut and paste this
code in to your database.  Save it as clsTimer.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'
'
Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                    Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long

Private lngStartTime As Long

'THESE FUNCTIONS / SUBS ARE USED TO IMPLEMENT CLASS FUNCTIONALITY
'*+Class function / sub declaration
Function EndTimer()
    EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function

Sub StartTimer()
    lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub
'*-Class function / sub declaration


This class is a "timer" of something happening down to a millisecond
resolution.  To use it you simply dim the class and call the StartTimer
method.

Dim lclsTimer as clsTimer

	set lclsTimer = new clsTimer
	lclsTimer.StartTimer

	.
	.
	.some piece of code you want to time
	.
	.
	debug.print lclstimer.EndTimer

To see the advantage of using it over "the competition", suppose you need to
time an inner and outer loop of code...  (or how long a couple of queries
take to run?)

Dim XInner as long
Dim YOuter as long
Dim lclsTimerInner as clsTimer
Dim lclsTimerOuter as clsTimer

	set lclsTimerInner = new ClsTimer
	set lclsTimerOuter as new clsTimer

	lclsTimerOuter.StartTimer
	while YOuter = 1 to 2000
		.
		.lots of code being timed
		.
		lclsTimerInner.StartTimer
		while Xinner = 1 to 15
			.
			.
			.inner loop code being timed
			.
		wend
		debug.Print "Inner Loop: " & lclsTimerInner.EndTimer
		.
		.more code 
		.
	wend
	debug.print "Outer Loop: " & lclsTimerOuter.EndTimer

Because the "data" is stored internally to the class, you can use one or a
thousand instances of this class, anywhere in your code you need to time
something.  You don't have to set up global variables to hold the data, you
don't have to use a collection to hold the various timer values (some
alternatives to a class) etc.  The data for the timer is with the timer
class instance.  The variable holding the class instance is where the timing
occurs.  

Can you do this another way?  Of course but it isn't clean and elegant.  The
alternatives require storing the "time" somewhere "global" and then indexing
in to get the times (collections or arrays) or setting up a new global
variable for each timer and passing in the variable name or something
similar.

YUK

Classes take a little more code to set up (the DIM and the SET
(instantiation)), but where they make sense they will provide a much cleaner
program.  The timer is about the simplest useful class I have ever run into.
Most classes have many variables holding data and many methods for
processing.  But start simple.  Use the timer, learn how to Dim and Set a
class pointer, how to call methods etc.  Once you understand that then move
on.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


John,

In my programming career, I've probably written 300,000 lines of code, but
none of it in classes.  And you're probably rolling your eyes about now!

Do you have a very simple example of a class, or have a tutorial somewhere
of how to create one?

I am also a single programmer, and want to at least know about this tool so
I can pick it up when appropriate.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
ProMation Systems


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Mar  2 14:17:38 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:17:38 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
References: <002e01c51877$6c021da0$6c01a8c0@ColbyM6805><001601c518b9$8f5e8580$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000701c518be$02fb6590$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><39cb22f3050223050287e9ff1@mail.gmail.com><002301c519fd$dd0eeb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><421D1A41.2010303@shaw.ca><000c01c51d11$a5051370$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<42250824.5010600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c51f64$e508d880$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
> by Richard Mansfield
> http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>>>
Marty,

This article is a non-sense for experienced OO programmer/designer...
You know that for sure.
Why did you post this link here? :)

<<<
A frequent argument for OOP is it helps with code reusability,
>>>
Wrong. Code reusability isn't the main attribute of OOP &D....
Every experienced OO programmer knows that.
"The point of OOP is not reusability, although it's a side-benefit. The
point is that it's a good way of factoring the functionality of an
application." (http://www.ftponline.com/discuss/forum.aspx?id=23&msg_id=634)

<<<
Why does OOP generate problems it must then deal with later?
>>>
I'd say procedural programming generates a WAY more problems than OOP...

<<<
But it got its major boost during the paradigm shift from DOS to Windows.
>>>
Wrong. As far as I see main OOP research & development done in non-Windows
environments.
This is just several years ago that MS "got it at last" and started to
widely promote OOP on MS Windows platform (.NET Framework of course). But
this is usual MS practice: they wait until a tool, a technology, a
knowledge, a methodology got matured and widely approved and then they buy,
adapt, extend,....it - so IMO the fact that MS is (successfully) trying to
get leading positions in OOP world is an additional approval that OOP is a
way to go... (of course MS "haters" and procedural programming amateurs will
try to prove the opposite :))

<<<
Nearly three decades ago the Basic language was introduced as a teaching
tool-a way to teach programming to college students. Because its primary
goal is clarity, Basic employed a diction, punctuation, and syntax that were
as similar to English as possible.
>>>
There is no Basic anymore you know - there is VB.NET.
Students are teached Java, C++, C#, VB.NET  - no Basic anymore  (Of course I
continue to use VBA/VB6 because of my customers' requests but this is a
"dead-end" in long run...)

<<<
Efficiency is the goal of OOP, but the result is too often the opposite.
>>>
Wrong. That's clear that "there is no free cheese...." - for the power of
OOP one pays by degraded performance, which in most of the cases can be
neglected. When it can't be neglected then they use procedural
programming(C) or assembler....

<<<
At this point, it's difficult to predict whether OOP will fade rapidly like
some intellectual fads or persist like the long, bad dream of
Aristotelianism
>>>
OOP is today's the only real and efficient way to develop getting more and
more complicated real-life applications...
Something new may arise but then it promise to be something extra-terrestal
because OOP is a natural way of modeling and developing this world
businesses and activities....

<<<
To me, hope resides in the computer itself, not us foolish humans. I expect
the machine to eventually be capable of interpreting human instructions in
human languages.
>>>
I think they will never get that capability without advanced tomorrow
computers and programs, designed and developed using OOP best practices...

Just my two rubles...

Shamil

P.S. I have just found this article:
http://www.devx.com/opinion/Article/27020 - "OOP Is Best in Practice
In a rebuttal to Richard Mansfield's editorial "OOP Is Much Better in Theory
Than in Practice", Dave Herren says Mansfield's arguments against OOP are
based on outdated teachings and false notions. Yet he believes there's still
hope for him. "

--
Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion


> Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write
> Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
> to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn
> out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP
> team, I always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting
> heavier and everyone else is huddled down
> debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.
>
>  Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before
> it was sold to IBM
> two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working
> on patterns for something called
> aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example,
> the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
> assuming similar underlying patterns..
>
> Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems
>
> OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
> Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor,
> misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in
a
> history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.
>
> by Richard Mansfield
> http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>
> And all the hate mail in response
> http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762
>
> Further thoughts from Mansfield
> http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
>
> Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals
> What Microsoft missed.
> http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >Marty,
> >
> >I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development
not
> >just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather trivial
these
> >days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first was investigated
a
> >lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful results IMO.  I did
> >recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by Craig Larman - it
shows
> >that UML is a practical not an academic tool and that when combined with
> >Software Design Patterns then it becomes even more powerful and more
> >practical tool...
> >
> >Shamil
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> ><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:05 AM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>UML. I had a funny a couple of months ago, when I got called into a
> >>company to check their records rentention periods
> >>for corporate compliance. I asked for a simple diagram of database
> >>links. This was a large company and had a couple
> >>of hundred databases spread around the country. Nobody had one. Don't
> >>you guys use UML or data models
> >>No that is passe, I was told. Each DBA seemed to run his own fiefdom. I
> >>finally got one of the older hands to sketch me out a map on the backs
> >>of beer coasters.
> >>Transfered that to Visio then to System Architect. About a week later
> >>the CIO got a copy of my basic diagrams
> >>and demanded a fully fleshed out one, he had been looking for one for a
> >>couple of years.
> >>
> >>
> >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Developers know that no technology will take them
> >>>>to the promised land that has been promised many times
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Steve,
> >>>
> >>>I believe the sentence above will become false in another 50-100 years
:)
> >>>
> >>>Not in my lifetime probably :(
> >>>
> >>>OOP&D, software design patterns, UML and UML-based software design &
> >>>development methodologies and practices, agile and extreme programming,
> >>>managed code (like C# & VB.NET, managed C++),  effective risk, team &
> >>>project management... - all these are promising, really useful and
> >>>
> >>>
> >therefore
> >
> >
> >>>solid foundation to get the road to the promised land built somewhere
in
> >>>
> >>>
> >not
> >
> >
> >>>that far from today future....
> >>>
> >>>Shamil
> >>>--
> >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
> >>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:02 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Shamil,
> >>>>
> >>>>I visited your home page and was struck by the quote there. It
> >>>>reminded me of something I'd seen in InfoWorld a few years ago written
> >>>>by a former programmer:
> >>>>
> >>>>"If art is making order out of chaos, then software developers are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >artists
> >
> >
> >>>>at the highest level. Sure, you will hear about advances that promise
to
> >>>>make the life of the software developer easier -- object-oriented
> >>>>programming, integrated development environments, and now Web
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >services --
> >
> >
> >>>>but walk into any development shop and the developers stare intently
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >into
> >
> >
> >>>>their monitors, facing conundrum after conundrum, but still fighting
the
> >>>>machine and bending it to their will. Developers know that no
technology
> >>>>will take them to the promised land that has been promised many times,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >but
> >
> >
> >>>>faith in his or her ability to conquer the machine drives the
sometimes
> >>>>Sisyphean task."
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm sorry, I don't have the name of the programmer.
> >>>>
> >>>>Steve Erbach
> >>>>Neenah, WI
> >>>>USA
> >>>>
> >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:08:00 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> >>>><shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Unfortunately in HANGS ON my VS.NET 2003 IDE.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>It was one of the Add-ins I did download and install, which was
hanging
> >>>>>VS.NET 2003.
> >>>>>It works OK now after I removed this add-in...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So, I think this wrapper is useful...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Shamil
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>dba-Tech mailing list
> >>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>dba-Tech mailing list
> >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>-- 
> >>Marty Connelly
> >>Victoria, B.C.
> >>Canada
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>dba-Tech mailing list
> >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Mar  5 19:43:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:43:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
Message-ID: <000001c521ed$dad84720$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
day.  VERY irritating to say the least.

Has anyone seen this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Mar  5 23:15:30 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:15:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7UKAAAAQAAAABp/f4e3JBk+7kLqYlqQg1wEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <01a401c5220b$841f5e00$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to WinZip. 
It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?

TIA

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Rocky,
> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>
> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
> System Tab:
> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they are
> checked, then:
> uncheck them-click-OK
> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> Dear List:
>
> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context menu 
> that
> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>
> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes but 
> it
> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>
> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking that it
> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no difference.
>
> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>
> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Sun Mar  6 12:20:48 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:20:48 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5220b$841f5e00$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAsXbxQhHTEk23Pyw9BQrOkQEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this info
under Windows\Profile\UserName.)

I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another user
(control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - under
Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked then
click OK.

Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will see
all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.

Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents and
Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.

By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your NewUser
does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
something rotten in SendTo land.

HTH
John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working

John:

Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to WinZip. 
It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?

TIA

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Rocky,
> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>
> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
> System Tab:
> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they are
> checked, then:
> uncheck them-click-OK
> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> Dear List:
>
> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context menu 
> that
> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>
> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes but 
> it
> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>
> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking that it
> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no difference.
>
> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>
> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  6 15:04:46 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:04:46 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
References: <002e01c51877$6c021da0$6c01a8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<001601c518b9$8f5e8580$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<000701c518be$02fb6590$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<39cb22f3050223050287e9ff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<002301c519fd$dd0eeb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<421D1A41.2010303@shaw.ca>
	<000c01c51d11$a5051370$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<42250824.5010600@shaw.ca>
	<001401c51f64$e508d880$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <422B706E.80107@shaw.ca>

I like Bjarne Stroustrup's ideas on OOP's as not being the only ideal way

http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq.html#multiparadigm

He states that C++ can be used for Multiparadigm programming, for 
example C code Kernighan & Ritchie standard can be compiled with C++.
Multiparadigm programming is a fancy way of saying "programming using 
more than one programming style, each to its best effect."

For more see
http://www.research.att.com/~bs/oopsla.pdf

John Colby reminded me of this  patterns & practices in MS Enterprise Library

 This is reusable and extensible source code-based guidance that simplifies development of common data access functionality in .NET-based applications using various pattern sample code in VB and C# plus unit testing.
Download from here.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag2/html/entlib.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/practices/code.mspx




Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

><<<
>  
>
>>by Richard Mansfield
>>http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>>    
>>
>Marty,
>
>This article is a non-sense for experienced OO programmer/designer...
>You know that for sure.
>Why did you post this link here? :)
>
><<<
>A frequent argument for OOP is it helps with code reusability,
>  
>
>Wrong. Code reusability isn't the main attribute of OOP &D....
>Every experienced OO programmer knows that.
>"The point of OOP is not reusability, although it's a side-benefit. The
>point is that it's a good way of factoring the functionality of an
>application." (http://www.ftponline.com/discuss/forum.aspx?id=23&msg_id=634)
>
><<<
>Why does OOP generate problems it must then deal with later?
>  
>
>I'd say procedural programming generates a WAY more problems than OOP...
>
><<<
>But it got its major boost during the paradigm shift from DOS to Windows.
>  
>
>Wrong. As far as I see main OOP research & development done in non-Windows
>environments.
>This is just several years ago that MS "got it at last" and started to
>widely promote OOP on MS Windows platform (.NET Framework of course). But
>this is usual MS practice: they wait until a tool, a technology, a
>knowledge, a methodology got matured and widely approved and then they buy,
>adapt, extend,....it - so IMO the fact that MS is (successfully) trying to
>get leading positions in OOP world is an additional approval that OOP is a
>way to go... (of course MS "haters" and procedural programming amateurs will
>try to prove the opposite :))
>
><<<
>Nearly three decades ago the Basic language was introduced as a teaching
>tool-a way to teach programming to college students. Because its primary
>goal is clarity, Basic employed a diction, punctuation, and syntax that were
>as similar to English as possible.
>  
>
>There is no Basic anymore you know - there is VB.NET.
>Students are teached Java, C++, C#, VB.NET  - no Basic anymore  (Of course I
>continue to use VBA/VB6 because of my customers' requests but this is a
>"dead-end" in long run...)
>
><<<
>Efficiency is the goal of OOP, but the result is too often the opposite.
>  
>
>Wrong. That's clear that "there is no free cheese...." - for the power of
>OOP one pays by degraded performance, which in most of the cases can be
>neglected. When it can't be neglected then they use procedural
>programming(C) or assembler....
>
><<<
>At this point, it's difficult to predict whether OOP will fade rapidly like
>some intellectual fads or persist like the long, bad dream of
>Aristotelianism
>  
>
>OOP is today's the only real and efficient way to develop getting more and
>more complicated real-life applications...
>Something new may arise but then it promise to be something extra-terrestal
>because OOP is a natural way of modeling and developing this world
>businesses and activities....
>
><<<
>To me, hope resides in the computer itself, not us foolish humans. I expect
>the machine to eventually be capable of interpreting human instructions in
>human languages.
>  
>
>I think they will never get that capability without advanced tomorrow
>computers and programs, designed and developed using OOP best practices...
>
>Just my two rubles...
>
>Shamil
>
>P.S. I have just found this article:
>http://www.devx.com/opinion/Article/27020 - "OOP Is Best in Practice
>In a rebuttal to Richard Mansfield's editorial "OOP Is Much Better in Theory
>Than in Practice", Dave Herren says Mansfield's arguments against OOP are
>based on outdated teachings and false notions. Yet he believes there's still
>hope for him. "
>
>--
>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>
>
>  
>
>>Well I am an unabashed proceduralist and would much prefer to write
>>Fast Fourier Transforms in APL than having
>>to do it with an OOP language. I have been on teams using UML to churn
>>out PL1 or Cobol code. I don't mind patterns, however on an OOP
>>team, I always feel like I am in a trench and the shelling is getting
>>heavier and everyone else is huddled down
>>debating whether to load their rifles with .303 or 7.62 Ammo.
>>
>> Grady Brooch the father of OOP who worked at Rational Software before
>>it was sold to IBM
>>two years ago ,well now he is is dropping work on UML at IBM and working
>>on patterns for something called
>>aspect oriented development. This would be something like as an example,
>>the security aspect of system to system connectivity,
>>assuming similar underlying patterns..
>>
>>Some thoughts on Ooops, procedural and generic programming problems
>>
>>OOP Is Much Better in Theory Than in Practice
>>Think object-orient programming (OOP) is the only way to go? You poor,
>>misguided soul. Richard Mansfield contends that OOP is just the latest in
>>    
>>
>a
>  
>
>>history of ideas that sound good in theory but are clumsy in practice.
>>
>>by Richard Mansfield
>>http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/26776
>>
>>And all the hate mail in response
>>http://forums.devx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136762
>>
>>Further thoughts from Mansfield
>>http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
>>
>>Richard Grimes on VB.NET  and VB6  columnist at Dr Dobb's Journals
>>What Microsoft missed.
>>http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=9211/ddj050201dnn/
>>
>>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Marty,
>>>
>>>I meant mainly UML used for OOP real-life projects design & development
>>>      
>>>
>not
>  
>
>>>just UML for database model diagramming - the latter is rather trivial
>>>      
>>>
>these
>  
>
>>>days, the first is still state-of-the-art. But the first was investigated
>>>      
>>>
>a
>  
>
>>>lot during last ten+ years and there are very useful results IMO.  I did
>>>recently get through "Applying UML and Patterns" by Craig Larman - it
>>>      
>>>
>shows
>  
>
>>>that UML is a practical not an academic tool and that when combined with
>>>Software Design Patterns then it becomes even more powerful and more
>>>practical tool...
>>>
>>>Shamil
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:05 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>UML. I had a funny a couple of months ago, when I got called into a
>>>>company to check their records rentention periods
>>>>for corporate compliance. I asked for a simple diagram of database
>>>>links. This was a large company and had a couple
>>>>of hundred databases spread around the country. Nobody had one. Don't
>>>>you guys use UML or data models
>>>>No that is passe, I was told. Each DBA seemed to run his own fiefdom. I
>>>>finally got one of the older hands to sketch me out a map on the backs
>>>>of beer coasters.
>>>>Transfered that to Visio then to System Architect. About a week later
>>>>the CIO got a copy of my basic diagrams
>>>>and demanded a fully fleshed out one, he had been looking for one for a
>>>>couple of years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>Developers know that no technology will take them
>>>>>>to the promised land that has been promised many times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe the sentence above will become false in another 50-100 years
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>:)
>  
>
>>>>>Not in my lifetime probably :(
>>>>>
>>>>>OOP&D, software design patterns, UML and UML-based software design &
>>>>>development methodologies and practices, agile and extreme programming,
>>>>>managed code (like C# & VB.NET, managed C++),  effective risk, team &
>>>>>project management... - all these are promising, really useful and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>therefore
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>solid foundation to get the road to the promised land built somewhere
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>in
>  
>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>not
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>that far from today future....
>>>>>
>>>>>Shamil
>>>>>--
>>>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>>>>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:02 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Shamil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I visited your home page and was struck by the quote there. It
>>>>>>reminded me of something I'd seen in InfoWorld a few years ago written
>>>>>>by a former programmer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"If art is making order out of chaos, then software developers are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>artists
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>at the highest level. Sure, you will hear about advances that promise
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>to
>  
>
>>>>>>make the life of the software developer easier -- object-oriented
>>>>>>programming, integrated development environments, and now Web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>services --
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>but walk into any development shop and the developers stare intently
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>into
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>their monitors, facing conundrum after conundrum, but still fighting
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>>>>machine and bending it to their will. Developers know that no
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>technology
>  
>
>>>>>>will take them to the promised land that has been promised many times,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>faith in his or her ability to conquer the machine drives the
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>sometimes
>  
>
>>>>>>Sisyphean task."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm sorry, I don't have the name of the programmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve Erbach
>>>>>>Neenah, WI
>>>>>>USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:08:00 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
>>>>>><shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Unfortunately in HANGS ON my VS.NET 2003 IDE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It was one of the Add-ins I did download and install, which was
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>hanging
>  
>
>>>>>>>VS.NET 2003.
>>>>>>>It works OK now after I removed this add-in...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, I think this wrapper is useful...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Shamil
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Marty Connelly
>>>>Victoria, B.C.
>>>>Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
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>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 17:19:27 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:19:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAsXbxQhHTEk23Pyw9BQrOkQEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c522a2$f1b9d020$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the laptop on 
which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To Folder. 
Any other ideas?


TIA,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Rocky,
> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this 
> info
> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>
> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another user
> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - under
> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked then
> click OK.
>
> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will see
> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>
> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents and
> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>
> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your 
> NewUser
> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
> something rotten in SendTo land.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> John:
>
> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to WinZip.
> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>> Rocky,
>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>
>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>> System Tab:
>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they are
>> checked, then:
>> uncheck them-click-OK
>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>
>> HTH
>> John B.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin -
>> Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context menu
>> that
>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>
>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes but
>> it
>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>
>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking that 
>> it
>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no difference.
>>
>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>
>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>> 858-259-4334
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Sun Mar  6 20:42:16 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:42:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <000b01c522a2$f1b9d020$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAASWNxOtp8CEedMW0qz9aiLwEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Rats.

I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have it in
the menu?

John B. 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working

John:

New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the laptop on
which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To Folder. 
Any other ideas?


TIA,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Rocky,
> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this 
> info
> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>
> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another user
> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - under
> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked then
> click OK.
>
> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will see
> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>
> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents and
> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>
> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your 
> NewUser
> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
> something rotten in SendTo land.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> John:
>
> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to WinZip.
> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>> Rocky,
>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>
>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>> System Tab:
>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they are
>> checked, then:
>> uncheck them-click-OK
>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>
>> HTH
>> John B.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin -
>> Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context menu
>> that
>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>
>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes but
>> it
>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>
>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking that 
>> it
>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no difference.
>>
>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>
>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>> 858-259-4334
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 21:18:55 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:18:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAASWNxOtp8CEedMW0qz9aiLwEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <005101c522c4$656a0af0$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>

John B:

Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually going to 
do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Rocky,
> Rats.
>
> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have it 
> in
> the menu?
>
> John B.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> John:
>
> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the laptop 
> on
> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To Folder.
> Any other ideas?
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>> Rocky,
>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this
>> info
>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>
>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another user
>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - 
>> under
>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked then
>> click OK.
>>
>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will see
>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>
>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents and
>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>
>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>> NewUser
>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>
>> HTH
>> John B.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin -
>> Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>> John:
>>
>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to WinZip.
>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>>
>>> Rocky,
>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>
>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>> System Tab:
>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they are
>>> checked, then:
>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> John B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>> Smolin -
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>> To: dba-tech
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>> Dear List:
>>>
>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context menu
>>> that
>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>
>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes but
>>> it
>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>
>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking that
>>> it
>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no 
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>
>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  6 22:46:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:46:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAASWNxOtp8CEedMW0qz9aiLwEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
	<005101c522c4$656a0af0$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <422BDCB8.8000604@shaw.ca>


The key in the registry that keeps track of the default email client 
registered on a computer
There maybe more than one mail client
HKLM/software/clients/mail
For example Netscape
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Netscape\protocols\mailto\shell\open\command
check the string is pointing to something like "C:\...... Netscape.exe %1
There are a lot solutions to the problem just as there causes so google 
search on -  sendto registry key

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

> John B:
>
> Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually 
> going to do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>> Rocky,
>> Rats.
>>
>> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
>> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not 
>> have it in
>> the menu?
>>
>> John B.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin -
>> Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>> John:
>>
>> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the 
>> laptop on
>> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To 
>> Folder.
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>>
>>> Rocky,
>>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this
>>> info
>>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>>
>>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another 
>>> user
>>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - 
>>> under
>>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked 
>>> then
>>> click OK.
>>>
>>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you 
>>> will see
>>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>>
>>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents 
>>> and
>>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>>
>>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>>> NewUser
>>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> John B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>> Smolin -
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to 
>>> WinZip.
>>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rocky,
>>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>>
>>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>>> System Tab:
>>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If 
>>>> they are
>>>> checked, then:
>>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>> Smolin -
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>> To: dba-tech
>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>> Dear List:
>>>>
>>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context 
>>>> menu
>>>> that
>>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>>
>>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file 
>>>> goes but
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>>
>>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking 
>>>> that
>>>> it
>>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no 
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>>
>>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Mar  7 00:07:54 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:07:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAASWNxOtp8CEedMW0qz9aiLwEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
	<005101c522c4$656a0af0$6b01a8c0@HAL9002> <422BDCB8.8000604@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003c01c522dc$00d73320$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>

Marty:

I took your suggestion about Googling for an answer.  After about six 
different solution which failed, I came across

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306098

which suggested I make Outlook Express the default mail handler (D'oh!). 
Don't know why it got unset but that solved the problem.

Windows...you gotta love it...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


>
> The key in the registry that keeps track of the default email client 
> registered on a computer
> There maybe more than one mail client
> HKLM/software/clients/mail
> For example Netscape
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Netscape\protocols\mailto\shell\open\command
> check the string is pointing to something like "C:\...... Netscape.exe %1
> There are a lot solutions to the problem just as there causes so google 
> search on -  sendto registry key
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>> John B:
>>
>> Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually going 
>> to do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>>
>>> Rocky,
>>> Rats.
>>>
>>> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
>>> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have 
>>> it in
>>> the menu?
>>>
>>> John B.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>> Smolin -
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the laptop 
>>> on
>>> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To 
>>> Folder.
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rocky,
>>>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>>>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this
>>>> info
>>>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>>>
>>>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another 
>>>> user
>>>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>>>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - 
>>>> under
>>>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked 
>>>> then
>>>> click OK.
>>>>
>>>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will 
>>>> see
>>>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>>>
>>>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents 
>>>> and
>>>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>>>
>>>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>>>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>>>> NewUser
>>>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>>>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>> Smolin -
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to 
>>>> WinZip.
>>>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>>>> System Tab:
>>>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they 
>>>>> are
>>>>> checked, then:
>>>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>>> To: dba-tech
>>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear List:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context 
>>>>> menu
>>>>> that
>>>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes 
>>>>> but
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking 
>>>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no 
>>>>> difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From James at fcidms.com  Mon Mar  7 08:16:01 2005
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:16:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
In-Reply-To: <000001c521ed$dad84720$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0ICZ00DLPJMNAY@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try

In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
day.  VERY irritating to say the least.

Has anyone seen this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Mar  7 09:08:51 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:08:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
In-Reply-To: <0ICZ00DLPJMNAY@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <002901c52327$925de190$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am seeing it now with all of my applications.  Outlook fails the first
time I open it, then works fine.  I have a vonage app that dials numbers for
me, which I have to log in to.  It fails the first time through, then works
fine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try

In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
day.  VERY irritating to say the least.

Has anyone seen this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon Mar  7 09:15:41 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:15:41 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D258B@ALCUXB>

Sounds like a spyware problem to me... always worth checking first. Run more
than one spyware scanner, then a virus scan, then try a disk cleanup and
defrag. Cures all sorts of problems. If it doesn't cure it, start looking
deeper.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 07 March 2005 15:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


I am seeing it now with all of my applications.  Outlook fails the first
time I open it, then works fine.  I have a vonage app that dials numbers for
me, which I have to log in to.  It fails the first time through, then works
fine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try

In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
day.  VERY irritating to say the least.

Has anyone seen this?

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www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar  7 09:47:23 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:47:23 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <003c01c522dc$00d73320$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAA2vKpRlaqFkSXfxgpCW/2JAEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Good to see you got it working. 

Curious - did you install a different email program or did this just start
acting up on its own?


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working

Marty:

I took your suggestion about Googling for an answer.  After about six
different solution which failed, I came across

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306098

which suggested I make Outlook Express the default mail handler (D'oh!). 
Don't know why it got unset but that solved the problem.

Windows...you gotta love it...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


>
> The key in the registry that keeps track of the default email client 
> registered on a computer
> There maybe more than one mail client
> HKLM/software/clients/mail
> For example Netscape
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Netscape\protocols\mailto\shell\ope
n\command
> check the string is pointing to something like "C:\...... Netscape.exe %1
> There are a lot solutions to the problem just as there causes so google 
> search on -  sendto registry key
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>> John B:
>>
>> Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually going

>> to do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>
>>
>>> Rocky,
>>> Rats.
>>>
>>> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
>>> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have 
>>> it in
>>> the menu?
>>>
>>> John B.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>> Smolin -
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the laptop

>>> on
>>> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To 
>>> Folder.
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rocky,
>>>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>>>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps this
>>>> info
>>>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>>>
>>>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another 
>>>> user
>>>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>>>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] - 
>>>> under
>>>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked 
>>>> then
>>>> click OK.
>>>>
>>>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will 
>>>> see
>>>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>>>
>>>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents 
>>>> and
>>>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>>>
>>>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>>>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>>>> NewUser
>>>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>>>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>>>> Smolin -
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to 
>>>> WinZip.
>>>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>>>> System Tab:
>>>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they 
>>>>> are
>>>>> checked, then:
>>>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>>> To: dba-tech
>>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear List:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context 
>>>>> menu
>>>>> that
>>>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes 
>>>>> but
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking 
>>>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no 
>>>>> difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Mar  7 10:05:14 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D258B@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <000001c5232f$7616adc0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Nope.  I have spybot and Adaware running on my laptop (which is where I
usually work, and am seeing this problem) and ran them last week.  Nothing
there (I use Firefox after all).  Furthermore it is happening on "all of" my
computers, at least I have documented it on several others.  I also have NU
running on ALL the computers.  I have Sygate personal firewall on the laptop
and a couple of others that demonstrate this problem.

I shut off every computer in the house, unplugged all of the routers as well
as the Vonage modem and the cable modem.  Brought them all back up in
sequence.  The problem still exists.

It looks like a timing issue of some sort, like FF is timing out just before
the data comes back or something.  Again, there are certain sites that it
NEVER happens on (the big sites - MSNBC etc).  I do a lot of research on
things that interest me such as bypass oil filters, SIP panel homes etc.
This means I am hitting servers for smallish sites and these seem to have
the problem more than others.  However again, if I just immediately hit the
web site a second time the info pops up as if it was sitting in the queue.
EVERY time this happens, the info is just right there the second time.  

If I was a conspiracy nut I'd say M$ tweaked a registry setting for firefox
in one if their "automatic updates" to make it behave badly.  ;-)

I have been using FF for months now with NO problems.  I found a "tweak"
system that adjusts the settings that made it even faster.  It was just
awesome, then suddenly about two weeks ago I'm having to ask for pages
twice.  Not occasionally, DOZENS of times a day (no, I don't surf much).
Some of these are sites I frequent (information list sites) and they too are
having this problem.  Once I get to the main page I can generally surf the
sub pages with no problem it is just that "initial lookup".

Most strange.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


Sounds like a spyware problem to me... always worth checking first. Run more
than one spyware scanner, then a virus scan, then try a disk cleanup and
defrag. Cures all sorts of problems. If it doesn't cure it, start looking
deeper.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 07 March 2005 15:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


I am seeing it now with all of my applications.  Outlook fails the first
time I open it, then works fine.  I have a vonage app that dials numbers for
me, which I have to log in to.  It fails the first time through, then works
fine.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try


I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try

In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
day.  VERY irritating to say the least.

Has anyone seen this?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Mar  7 10:30:06 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:30:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAA2vKpRlaqFkSXfxgpCW/2JAEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00fd01c52332$ec10fb40$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>

Apparently, it has a mind of its own.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Good to see you got it working.
>
> Curious - did you install a different email program or did this just start
> acting up on its own?
>
>
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:08 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> Marty:
>
> I took your suggestion about Googling for an answer.  After about six
> different solution which failed, I came across
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306098
>
> which suggested I make Outlook Express the default mail handler (D'oh!).
> Don't know why it got unset but that solved the problem.
>
> Windows...you gotta love it...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>>
>> The key in the registry that keeps track of the default email client
>> registered on a computer
>> There maybe more than one mail client
>> HKLM/software/clients/mail
>> For example Netscape
>>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Netscape\protocols\mailto\shell\ope
> n\command
>> check the string is pointing to something like "C:\...... Netscape.exe %1
>> There are a lot solutions to the problem just as there causes so google
>> search on -  sendto registry key
>>
>> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>>
>>> John B:
>>>
>>> Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually 
>>> going
>
>>> to do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rocky,
>>>> Rats.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
>>>> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have
>>>> it in
>>>> the menu?
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>> Smolin -
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the 
>>>> laptop
>
>>>> on
>>>> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To
>>>> Folder.
>>>> Any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>>>>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps 
>>>>> this
>>>>> info
>>>>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another
>>>>> user
>>>>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>>>>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] -
>>>>> under
>>>>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked
>>>>> then
>>>>> click OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will
>>>>> see
>>>>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents
>>>>> and
>>>>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>>>>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>>>>> NewUser
>>>>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>>>>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>> John:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to
>>>>> WinZip.
>>>>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Rocky
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>>>>> System Tab:
>>>>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>>>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>>>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> checked, then:
>>>>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>>>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>>>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>>>> To: dba-tech
>>>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear List:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar  7 10:51:31 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:51:31 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c52332$ec10fb40$6b01a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAlEN7DPZU60iWmXwWJxcrpgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Almost!

People who use Outlook and Outlook Express on the same PC (I realize there's
no reason for this but people do it other than personal choice.) will get a
dialog presented when they start either non-default email program asking if
it should be the default email program. If they say yes and don't check the
"don't ask me again" box of the dialog. They can fight each other for
eternity. I've run into people who have told me this has happened for
months!


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working

Apparently, it has a mind of its own.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working


> Good to see you got it working.
>
> Curious - did you install a different email program or did this just start
> acting up on its own?
>
>
> John B.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:08 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
> Marty:
>
> I took your suggestion about Googling for an answer.  After about six
> different solution which failed, I came across
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306098
>
> which suggested I make Outlook Express the default mail handler (D'oh!).
> Don't know why it got unset but that solved the problem.
>
> Windows...you gotta love it...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>
>
>>
>> The key in the registry that keeps track of the default email client
>> registered on a computer
>> There maybe more than one mail client
>> HKLM/software/clients/mail
>> For example Netscape
>>
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Netscape\protocols\mailto\shell\ope
> n\command
>> check the string is pointing to something like "C:\...... Netscape.exe %1
>> There are a lot solutions to the problem just as there causes so google
>> search on -  sendto registry key
>>
>> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>>
>>> John B:
>>>
>>> Still in the menu.  It thrashes for a few seconds like its actually 
>>> going
>
>>> to do it, but it's just pimping me.  Nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:42 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rocky,
>>>> Rats.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should've asked this first. Do you have the "Send to - Mail
>>>> Recipient" in the shortcut menu and it doesn't work or do you not have
>>>> it in
>>>> the menu?
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>> Smolin -
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:19 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> New user had all the same stuff as my account.  Same stuff as the 
>>>> laptop
>
>>>> on
>>>> which 'Send To' is working.  So I don't think it's in the Sent To
>>>> Folder.
>>>> Any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Rocky
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:20 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>> Its sounds as if something messed up your registry or personal folder
>>>>> settings. (I'm assuming you have Windows XP/2000. Windows 9X keeps 
>>>>> this
>>>>> info
>>>>> under Windows\Profile\UserName.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say the easiest way to get this back would be to create another
>>>>> user
>>>>> (control panel - user accounts). I'll call it "NewUser".
>>>>> Then go into Windows Explorer and do Tools | Folder Options [View] -
>>>>> under
>>>>> Advanced Settings make sure view hidden files and folders is checked
>>>>> then
>>>>> click OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\NewUser\SendTo and you will
>>>>> see
>>>>> all of the shortcut menu icons on NewUser's shortcut menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Select the items you want on yours and copy them to the C:\Documents
>>>>> and
>>>>> Settings\Rocky\SendTo folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> By default XP sets up Mail Recipient, Compressed (zipped) Folder, My
>>>>> Documents, Desktop(create shortcut) shortcuts for each user. If your
>>>>> NewUser
>>>>> does not have the necessary items in it let me know because there is
>>>>> something rotten in SendTo land.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>> John:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm back to this problem and it turns out it's not unique to
>>>>> WinZip.
>>>>> It's the send to mail recipient that's broken.  Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Rocky
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>>>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rocky,
>>>>>> Does Send to WinZip and Email still appear on the shortcut menu?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so go into WinZip | Options | Configuration
>>>>>> System Tab:
>>>>>> Ensure Associate WinZip with Archives is checked
>>>>>> Explorer Enhancements Tab:
>>>>>> -Top 3 checkboxes (Under title "General") should be checked. If they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> checked, then:
>>>>>> uncheck them-click-OK
>>>>>> open the same dialog again-recheck them and click OK.
>>>>>> (It really does work that quickly on my machine.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>>>>>> Smolin -
>>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>>>> To: dba-tech
>>>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Send To Stopped Working
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear List:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the 'Send To' and 'WinZip and Email'  options in the context
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> pops up when you right click a file.  Use it a LOT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few days ago it stopped working.  I don't know where the file goes
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't appear in an email like it used to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the same time I installed something call winRAR and thinking
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> might have hosed this feature I uninstalled it but it made no
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody have any speculation as to why it may have stopped?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I'll bet a dollar there's a registry key involved.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> -- 
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>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>>
>>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Mar  7 11:52:12 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:52:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
Message-ID: <002c01c5233e$646a74d0$123a11d8@danwaters>

Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  7 12:03:32 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:03:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
References: <000001c5232f$7616adc0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <422C9774.9060008@shaw.ca>

There have been rumours of DNS poisoning

Try going to IP address directly rather than through DNS
Clear your IE and FireFox caches

Long series of guesses
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12816126~mode=flat~days=9999

Could be this from todans Sans site Internet Storm Center

http://isc.sans.org//index.php
or
ABX toolbar spyware and dns cache poisioning
http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-03-04

John W. Colby wrote:

>Nope.  I have spybot and Adaware running on my laptop (which is where I
>usually work, and am seeing this problem) and ran them last week.  Nothing
>there (I use Firefox after all).  Furthermore it is happening on "all of" my
>computers, at least I have documented it on several others.  I also have NU
>running on ALL the computers.  I have Sygate personal firewall on the laptop
>and a couple of others that demonstrate this problem.
>
>I shut off every computer in the house, unplugged all of the routers as well
>as the Vonage modem and the cable modem.  Brought them all back up in
>sequence.  The problem still exists.
>
>It looks like a timing issue of some sort, like FF is timing out just before
>the data comes back or something.  Again, there are certain sites that it
>NEVER happens on (the big sites - MSNBC etc).  I do a lot of research on
>things that interest me such as bypass oil filters, SIP panel homes etc.
>This means I am hitting servers for smallish sites and these seem to have
>the problem more than others.  However again, if I just immediately hit the
>web site a second time the info pops up as if it was sitting in the queue.
>EVERY time this happens, the info is just right there the second time.  
>
>If I was a conspiracy nut I'd say M$ tweaked a registry setting for firefox
>in one if their "automatic updates" to make it behave badly.  ;-)
>
>I have been using FF for months now with NO problems.  I found a "tweak"
>system that adjusts the settings that made it even faster.  It was just
>awesome, then suddenly about two weeks ago I'm having to ask for pages
>twice.  Not occasionally, DOZENS of times a day (no, I don't surf much).
>Some of these are sites I frequent (information list sites) and they too are
>having this problem.  Once I get to the main page I can generally surf the
>sub pages with no problem it is just that "initial lookup".
>
>Most strange.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:16 AM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
>
>
>Sounds like a spyware problem to me... always worth checking first. Run more
>than one spyware scanner, then a virus scan, then try a disk cleanup and
>defrag. Cures all sorts of problems. If it doesn't cure it, start looking
>deeper.
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: 07 March 2005 15:09
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
>
>
>I am seeing it now with all of my applications.  Outlook fails the first
>time I open it, then works fine.  I have a vonage app that dials numbers for
>me, which I have to log in to.  It fails the first time through, then works
>fine.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:16 AM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
>
>
>I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
>reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
>page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
>DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
>Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?
>
>James Barash
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
>To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
>
>In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
>many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
>sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
>always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
>found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
>I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
>a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
>day.  VERY irritating to say the least.
>
>Has anyone seen this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar  7 12:19:16 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:19:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B1CEE3@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE875@ADGSERVER>

>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is not
the issue, it is the latency.

Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
others with lots of corruption and the like.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Mar  7 12:55:15 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:55:15 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
In-Reply-To: <13320271.1110219595421.JavaMail.root@sniper14>
Message-ID: <003301c52347$33640410$123a11d8@danwaters>

Bobby - what is latency?

And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They said
they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it goes.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is not
the issue, it is the latency.

Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
others with lots of corruption and the like.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar  7 13:09:59 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B1CF10@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE879@ADGSERVER>

Dan,

Latency is the amount of time it takes for a data packet (i.e., a unit of
data) to move across a network connection.  Latency and bandwidth are the
two factors that determine the speed of your connection.

An example is with a hard drive, latency in this respect is the time between
requesting the data form the HD and the actual transfer starting.

One of our clients wanted to do some stuff over a slow WAN that had network
problems.  I told them that we would not support it.  I had a MS KB article
that talked about it, but I cannot locate it at this time.

With the speed of that WAN, you may not have problems.  And since they are
willing to test first...

Bobby

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:55 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Bobby - what is latency?

And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They said
they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it goes.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is 
>not
the issue, it is the latency.

Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
others with lots of corruption and the like.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 13:20:49 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:20:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
In-Reply-To: <422C9774.9060008@shaw.ca>
References: <000001c5232f$7616adc0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<422C9774.9060008@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <b874372a050307112069faa9fb@mail.gmail.com>

Well there was and IDN spoofing issue a while back... and FireFox did
release a slew of updates.. in fact they only have one unpatched
problem, by my last count on secunia.com

If you haven't upgraded to the latest 1.0.1 firefox security update,
try that step first...

the second thing I would try on your line John is to test it's quality
try visiting dslreports.com or 2wire.com and run a few tests to see
what your current speed is.  The last step is to find out how your
network is set up.. what hardware and where...

hope it helps..

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:03:32 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> There have been rumours of DNS poisoning
> 
> Try going to IP address directly rather than through DNS
> Clear your IE and FireFox caches
> 
> Long series of guesses
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12816126~mode=flat~days=9999
> 
> Could be this from todans Sans site Internet Storm Center
> 
> http://isc.sans.org//index.php
> or
> ABX toolbar spyware and dns cache poisioning
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-03-04
> 
> John W. Colby wrote:
> 
> >Nope.  I have spybot and Adaware running on my laptop (which is where I
> >usually work, and am seeing this problem) and ran them last week.  Nothing
> >there (I use Firefox after all).  Furthermore it is happening on "all of" my
> >computers, at least I have documented it on several others.  I also have NU
> >running on ALL the computers.  I have Sygate personal firewall on the laptop
> >and a couple of others that demonstrate this problem.
> >
> >I shut off every computer in the house, unplugged all of the routers as well
> >as the Vonage modem and the cable modem.  Brought them all back up in
> >sequence.  The problem still exists.
> >
> >It looks like a timing issue of some sort, like FF is timing out just before
> >the data comes back or something.  Again, there are certain sites that it
> >NEVER happens on (the big sites - MSNBC etc).  I do a lot of research on
> >things that interest me such as bypass oil filters, SIP panel homes etc.
> >This means I am hitting servers for smallish sites and these seem to have
> >the problem more than others.  However again, if I just immediately hit the
> >web site a second time the info pops up as if it was sitting in the queue.
> >EVERY time this happens, the info is just right there the second time.
> >
> >If I was a conspiracy nut I'd say M$ tweaked a registry setting for firefox
> >in one if their "automatic updates" to make it behave badly.  ;-)
> >
> >I have been using FF for months now with NO problems.  I found a "tweak"
> >system that adjusts the settings that made it even faster.  It was just
> >awesome, then suddenly about two weeks ago I'm having to ask for pages
> >twice.  Not occasionally, DOZENS of times a day (no, I don't surf much).
> >Some of these are sites I frequent (information list sites) and they too are
> >having this problem.  Once I get to the main page I can generally surf the
> >sub pages with no problem it is just that "initial lookup".
> >
> >Most strange.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> >http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> >Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:16 AM
> >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
> >
> >
> >Sounds like a spyware problem to me... always worth checking first. Run more
> >than one spyware scanner, then a virus scan, then try a disk cleanup and
> >defrag. Cures all sorts of problems. If it doesn't cure it, start looking
> >deeper.
> >
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> >Sent: 07 March 2005 15:09
> >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
> >
> >
> >I am seeing it now with all of my applications.  Outlook fails the first
> >time I open it, then works fine.  I have a vonage app that dials numbers for
> >me, which I have to log in to.  It fails the first time through, then works
> >fine.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> >http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
> >Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:16 AM
> >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
> >
> >
> >I've been having a similar problem with IE. Over the weekend, I had problems
> >reaching a number of sites on the first try. I would just get the msn search
> >page with the site I wanted to reach is the first choice. I assumed is was a
> >DNS problem with my DSL service but maybe it was more widespread than that.
> >Anyone else in the US Northeast having problems?
> >
> >James Barash
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
> >To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
> >Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox not finding web site first try
> >
> >In the last perhaps 2 weeks or so firefox suddenly started failing to find
> >many sites the first time I ask.  I have to assume it is a timing issue with
> >sites that don't respond immediately.  I say this because some sites just
> >always come back - msnbc for example.  Other sites come back with a "not
> >found" message.  If I try a second time it IMMEDIATELY returns the info, and
> >I mean with no delay AT ALL.  This is totally bizarre.  It is rarely if ever
> >a real "the site is no longer there", yet it happens to me dozens of times a
> >day.  VERY irritating to say the least.
> >
> >Has anyone seen this?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> >http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> >
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 13:32:02 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:32:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE879@ADGSERVER>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B1CF10@ADGSERVER>
	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE879@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <b874372a0503071132f4bbd77@mail.gmail.com>

with the newer sql server engine (sql server 2005 express) you can
deploy and Access/Sql solution where you will minimize the potential
for corruption by leveraging the power sql server w/o incurring the
additional license costs.  I'd look into that before looking into the
Access FE/BE.  Access is like a canary for networks.  Latency issues
surface rather quickly and even other problems such as noisy networks
will affect your performance, add to the mix the possibility of
corrupted BEs and you're asking for extra maintenance you don't want.




On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:09:59 -0500, Bobby Heid <bheid at appdevgrp.com> wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> Latency is the amount of time it takes for a data packet (i.e., a unit of
> data) to move across a network connection.  Latency and bandwidth are the
> two factors that determine the speed of your connection.
> 
> An example is with a hard drive, latency in this respect is the time between
> requesting the data form the HD and the actual transfer starting.
> 
> One of our clients wanted to do some stuff over a slow WAN that had network
> problems.  I told them that we would not support it.  I had a MS KB article
> that talked about it, but I cannot locate it at this time.
> 
> With the speed of that WAN, you may not have problems.  And since they are
> willing to test first...
> 
> Bobby
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:55 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
> 
> Bobby - what is latency?
> 
> And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They said
> they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it goes.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
> 
> >From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is
> >not
> the issue, it is the latency.
> 
> Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
> others with lots of corruption and the like.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
> 
> Hello to Everyone!
> 
> I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
> They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
> a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
> that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
> faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with this scenario?
> 
> Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> ProMation Systems
> 
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From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Mon Mar  7 13:32:35 2005
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:32:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
Message-ID: <041301c5234c$866e7640$6701a8c0@joe>

Dan,

Here are some other considerations when running over a LAN.

How big is the database?  Irrespective of where the FE is stored, all
processing takes place on the local PC.  Inquiries of large amounts of data
could result in massive amounts of data being passed over the connection to
be processed locally.

How is the application structured?  Does it use bound forms or unbound
forms?

If there are multiple locations accessing the database simultaneously, do
they each have a 1.5Gb upload pipe to the file server?  Does the file server
have a 1.5 Gb download pipe to each location, or will all locations be
sharing the 1.5Gb line?

Running a test should give you an indication of potential problem areas.  If
there are problems, here are 2 solutions.

1. Convert the FE to an ASP application and run it over a web connection.

2. Host both the FE and BE in a Terminal Server environment.  If your
customer does not have this capability, there are commercial services that
only charge about $30 per month per location.

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


|Bobby - what is latency?
|
|And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They said
|they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it goes.
|
|Dan
|
|-----Original Message-----
|From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
|[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
|Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
|To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
|Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
|
|>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is
not
|the issue, it is the latency.
|
|Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
|others with lots of corruption and the like.
|
|Bobby
|
|-----Original Message-----
|From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
|[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
|Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
|To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
|Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
|
|
|Hello to Everyone!
|
|
|
|I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
|They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
|a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to
do
|that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things
work
|faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.
|
|
|
|Does anyone have experience with this scenario?
|
|
|
|Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?
|
|
|
|Thanks!
|
|Dan Waters
|
|ProMation Systems
|
|_______________________________________________
|dba-Tech mailing list
|dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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|
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Mar  7 13:52:44 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:52:44 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
In-Reply-To: <9868118.1110222870280.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <003501c5234f$3b5d0e70$123a11d8@danwaters>

Thanks Bobby - that does help!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:10 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

Dan,

Latency is the amount of time it takes for a data packet (i.e., a unit of
data) to move across a network connection.  Latency and bandwidth are the
two factors that determine the speed of your connection.

An example is with a hard drive, latency in this respect is the time between
requesting the data form the HD and the actual transfer starting.

One of our clients wanted to do some stuff over a slow WAN that had network
problems.  I told them that we would not support it.  I had a MS KB article
that talked about it, but I cannot locate it at this time.

With the speed of that WAN, you may not have problems.  And since they are
willing to test first...

Bobby

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:55 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Bobby - what is latency?

And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They said
they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it goes.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is 
>not
the issue, it is the latency.

Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read of
others with lots of corruption and the like.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to do
a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are willing to do
that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic to help things work
faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar  7 14:03:35 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:03:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5865@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Bare in mind that that speed is not fully available to your app.
If they have the need for that kind of WAN speed, this means that they
probably already consume a lot of that speed for other reasons  (VoIP is
one example).

Your speed will be effected by other applications that are used.

A WAN connection has also some overhead depending on the protocols they
use, so the bandwith is not fully available for real data. This depends
on the WAN protocol used, can be up to 10% depending on the situation.

Further more if they use QoS able protocol (Frame Relay/ATM) some other
apps can have priority over yours, posibly terminating your connections.
Like for VoIP.

Is this a Leased Line? 

Some people believe they have a high speed connection with for example
ADSL or cable.
This is not fully true. The upstream speed is often very much limited.

Me personaly I would not use an MDB as a backend over a WAN line. Too
sensible for corruptions.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:53 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

Thanks Bobby - that does help!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:10 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

Dan,

Latency is the amount of time it takes for a data packet (i.e., a unit
of
data) to move across a network connection.  Latency and bandwidth are
the two factors that determine the speed of your connection.

An example is with a hard drive, latency in this respect is the time
between requesting the data form the HD and the actual transfer
starting.

One of our clients wanted to do some stuff over a slow WAN that had
network problems.  I told them that we would not support it.  I had a MS
KB article that talked about it, but I cannot locate it at this time.

With the speed of that WAN, you may not have problems.  And since they
are willing to test first...

Bobby

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:55 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Bobby - what is latency?

And it will be agreed to by me and my customer before we start.  They
said they can set up a test to simulate typical activities to see how it
goes.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN

>From my understanding, you will do this at your own risk.  The speed is

>not
the issue, it is the latency.

Some people have implemented this without any problems, but I have read
of others with lots of corruption and the like.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access Performance on a WAN


Hello to Everyone!

 

I have a potential customer with a few different sites around the
country.
They have a WAN with 1.5 Gbit/sec capacity.  I said that I would like to
do a test to see if this is feasible with Access XP, and they are
willing to do that.  I can do a few things to minimize network traffic
to help things work faster, but a test is still needed.  I do use a
split FE/BE setup.

 

Does anyone have experience with this scenario?

 

Does 1.5 Gbit/sec correspond to 1.5 / 8 = 187.5 Mbytes/sec?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

ProMation Systems

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 08:27:03 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:27:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Speaker Refoaming
Message-ID: <aea6c495050308062740b0ed83@mail.gmail.com>

I've learned that one of my 1991 vintage sound system main speakers
has a crack in one of the woofers that I thought would necessitate the
replacement of the speakers. I did some searching though and found
that broken drivers could be repaired and I have found a local company
that does that. I dropped off the drivers for both speakers there last
Saturday and hope to have them back in two weeks. While they were
being repaired I thought I would use some even older speakers - these
are from 1971 or so, sersiously old, but after hooking them up I
popped off one of the grills and found that these speakers are in
really bad shape too and also need to be repaired. I have found places
that sell kits to do this "refoaming" yourself. I even found an online
video that shows how to do it. It seems doable but I'm wondering if
it's as easy as it seems.

Has anybody here done it?

Here's the site with the how-to video - it's at the bottom of the page.

http://www.wooferrepair.com/faq.html

The kits I've seen cost about $25 - $30 - plus shipping costs.

The place that is doing my speakers now estimated that they would cost
$33 each. So basically It costs an extra $35 to have them do it for
me. I'm thinking that may be money well spent in order to have it done
by someone who knows what they are doing. But there is some
satisfaction in doing something yourself too. These older speakers are
not used that much, so I may not notice if they are exactly perfect.

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 20:47:16 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:47:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] WinPatrol upgrade troubles
Message-ID: <39cb22f305030818474ca4e14a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

I have been using WinPatrol Plus v. 8 for quite a while and now I've
downloaded the upgrade to v. 9. But when I use Run to execute Wpsetup,
I get the following message:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
16 bit Windows subsystem (that's in the title bar)
----------------------------------------------
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG.NT. The system file is not suitable for
running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications. Choose 'Close' to
terminate the application.

Close    Ignore (two buttons)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm running WinXP SP2 with 1 GB of RAM on an Athlon 64 system.

I see this message in one other situation: I run an old 2-user
calendar/to-do list program called Day-Timer 2000. I see the exact
same message as above and click Ignore. Then Day-Timer starts up and
runs normally.

I tried renaming the CONFIG.NT file to CONFIG.NTX in both the System32
and Repair folders (the two places that file is located). The message
still appears. I tried un-installing WinPatrol completely. Now I can't
re-install it while I still get the message. Bummer.

I've checked the System Event Log: it's an informational item. When I
click the link to http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp, I get a
dialog box with a bit more info. The File Name is ntdll.dll. The
Source is Application Popup. The Event ID is 26.

I went to EventID.net (I subscribe to this service) and found the
exact text of the error message but completely irrelevant information.

I tried logging in as Administrator and running the installation and
got the same error.

Anyone seen anything like this?
-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 21:27:06 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:27:06 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: WinPatrol upgrade troubles
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f305030818474ca4e14a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030818474ca4e14a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305030819275473a713@mail.gmail.com>

Found it! The WinPatrol site had an "Installation problems" section.
They have another, more modern, installation program to overcome just
the type of problem I was having. Apparently the usual install program
triggers some 16-bit thingie in Windows...any my installation of
Windows XP didn't like it. However, I ran the old installation program
on another Windows XP system I have (which was upgraded from Windows
2000) and the old WinPatrol install worked fine. So I downloaded the
newer installation program and voila! She works!

Steve Erbach


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:47:16 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Group,
> 
> I have been using WinPatrol Plus v. 8 for quite a while and now I've
> downloaded the upgrade to v. 9. But when I use Run to execute Wpsetup,
> I get the following message:


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 11:04:19 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:04:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: OT,Google Desktop
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-7462022-845670-2005.03.09-08.15.00--fhtapia#gmail.com@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
References: <LYRIS-7462022-845670-2005.03.09-08.15.00--fhtapia#gmail.com@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0503090904e640b6c@mail.gmail.com>

Tried, it along w/ the anytext file plugin, it is awesome... low
system resources and "QUICK" discovery of files makes it the "BEST"
search tool on the market... I've recently tried the MS desktopsearch,
which works, is fairly fast and can also search a networkshare,
however it caused my start button to flicker while it indexes.  and
while it does index it causes the running system to bog down.

Yahoo's x1 search tool is also nice, but again... a pig.  finding
files takes a long time, and there is no easy way to turn of the
preview.

Copernic's desktopsearch tool is fast at indexing (if you allow it to
index overnight, and allow it to consume full cpu usage).  if you are
indexing certain filesizes that are over 40mb then it will definatly
just crap out.


On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:14:58 -0500, c.e. gene connor
<mrceconnor at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Google Desktop Search Finally Goes Gold
> 
> I know some of you use this and might not have heard of the release.
> Google's powerful and controversial program has finally exited beta and
> become a full-fledged product.
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1773215,00.asp


-- 
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon!
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar  9 11:08:03 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:08:03 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: OT,Google Desktop
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D25D3@ALCUXB>

Does it still do bad things to Excel vba projects? There have been numerous
issues mentioned on the Excel mailing list I'm on.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: 09 March 2005 17:04
To: NT System Admin Issues; The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: OT,Google Desktop


Tried, it along w/ the anytext file plugin, it is awesome... low
system resources and "QUICK" discovery of files makes it the "BEST"
search tool on the market... I've recently tried the MS desktopsearch,
which works, is fairly fast and can also search a networkshare,
however it caused my start button to flicker while it indexes.  and
while it does index it causes the running system to bog down.

Yahoo's x1 search tool is also nice, but again... a pig.  finding
files takes a long time, and there is no easy way to turn of the
preview.

Copernic's desktopsearch tool is fast at indexing (if you allow it to
index overnight, and allow it to consume full cpu usage).  if you are
indexing certain filesizes that are over 40mb then it will definatly
just crap out.


On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:14:58 -0500, c.e. gene connor
<mrceconnor at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Google Desktop Search Finally Goes Gold
> 
> I know some of you use this and might not have heard of the release.
> Google's powerful and controversial program has finally exited beta and
> become a full-fledged product.
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1773215,00.asp


-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 11:34:37 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:34:37 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: OT - Humor
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-7462022-845152-2005.03.08-16.29.33--fhtapia#gmail.com@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
References: <LYRIS-7462022-845152-2005.03.08-16.29.33--fhtapia#gmail.com@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050309093432a71d30@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------

http://www.livevault.com/campaigns/cleese/cleese_video.aspx

-- 
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 10 02:44:06 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:44:06 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VB and VBA...
Message-ID: <003301c5254d$5446c200$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

FYI: http://classicvb.org/petition/

Shamil



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 04:13:18 2005
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:13:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VB and
	VBA...
In-Reply-To: <003301c5254d$5446c200$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <003301c5254d$5446c200$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d005031002131287f13e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Shamil,

Is VB6/VBA worth keeping?  Is there something that is more special
about it that deserves to retain it than lets say, word version 2 or
other technologies that have been retired in the past.

Is it not the case that for financial reasons, MS push us all the time
to the limit of our abilities to keep up with the code that they
produce.  But at the same time, they drag us kicking and screaming
along the technology trail?

I am aware that the migration from Com to .Net / managed environment
is a big change for the world to make, but by MS forcing our hands, we
all have to move on.  If they do not reduce and finally stop
supporting com, then natural inertia will allow the status quo to
continue.

Sure, for the person that is currently lightning fast at developing
vb6 apps, that suits them, but is it progress to let the existing
situation remain as is?

Now I know that we could argue that if we remain in the com
environment, we can focus our energies on User Interface Design and
other ergonomic issues, also we can focus on addressing, more
accurately, the business requirements.  Whereas if we all have to
learn .Net, we will spend the next two years trying to figure out how
to populate a list box etc.

But my suspicion is that the individual programmer or development
department will continue to place the same priority on those
non-technical issues as they have in the past, in other words, blaming
the learning curve of new technology is not the real culprit in bad
software. In my opinion, ideology - or lack of a good one - is.

So, to summarise, given my limited knowledge of the differences and
benefits of the managed vs un managed environments, and my lack of
awareness of any huge benefits of remaining with the un-managed
environment, I would be more in favour of 'bring it on MS",

sure we will burn the midnight oil again for the 10th time in fifteen years, 
sure we will struggle and buy more books, and say "once I over come
this new hump in my lack of knowledge, I will be flying"
sure we did it with dos, windows, Access 2, Access 97, VB, SQL, Dot
Net, the internet etc etc,

but that is what we signed up for in our vocation, I think that it is
the nature of the it industry, I do not expect it to ever be easy, now
or in twenty years time.  It I wanted a static industry I could have
chosen carpentry, it is around a while.

I have one exception to all these thoughts, if you have any
information that I am unaware of regarding benefits of the old
platform, tell me / us and with that I reserve the right to change my
mind to an extent.

Thanks for the FYI though
Oh, and do you think that it has even a one percent chance of succeeding?

I hope that you are well, and I hope that my comments come across as
friendly, but not sharp.

Mark Breen
Ireland





On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:44:06 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> FYI: http://classicvb.org/petition/
> 
> Shamil
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 07:08:45 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:08:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, gang!

Any ideas on this? It's annoying more than anything, but it sure seems
as if this is something that a guy could turn off. Any ideas?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:27:55 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Group,
> 
> A few weeks ago, my old workstation (667 MHz, Windows XP Pro w/ SP-2,
> 384 MB RAM) decided that one of the 3 hard disks was iffy and ran
> scandisk and chkdsk right after the the blue Windows progress bar goes
> away. I have since run Gibson Research's SpinRite 6 on it three times
> (fine product, by the way) without finding anything untoward. My
> question is, how do I turn off the automatic scandisk/chkdsk
> combination? I can press the space bar to skip the disk checking, but
> where do I look to disable the automatic checking? Is it a Service?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Erbach


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 07:16:25 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:16:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Ghost 9/Systemworks 2005 (was: Replace Hard
	Drive)
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7UKAAAAQAAAA3xTx/y6J/Emn1ly5qR3iXgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAcl7rnOrw/ESDEohQiSjvTgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7UKAAAAQAAAA3xTx/y6J/Emn1ly5qR3iXgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305031005164c1563d@mail.gmail.com>

John,

I've been using Norton SystemWorks Pro 2003 for about three years;
ever since I bought 3 copies on Ebay for $6.45 each. I had heard some
not-so-good things about Norton AV 2004 and its
installation/registration/copy-protection scheme on Pournelle's site.

Have you taken a look at Gibson's SpinRite 6. Good stuff, Maynard.

Steve Erbach


On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:22:55 -0600, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Oops, I should've re-subjected this message.
> 
> John B.
> 
> I bought System Works Premier 2005 a couple months ago - it includes Ghost
> 9. (BTW Symantec recently bought PowerQuest) Also Partition Magic is now a
> Norton product but is not included in System Works.
> 
> -One Button Checkup is improved and no longer causes lockups (Whew-who! Who
> would've thought it would in the first place?!)
> 
> -System Doctor (I don't use this resource hog)
> 
> -Speed Disk seems the same.
> 
> -Unerase Wizard seems the same.
> 
> -Disk Doctor presents messages on start-up that most people would get a bit
> nervous over. Such as "Disk 1 doesn't contain a valid bootable partition..."
> and gives the option to fix it. I believe this is the age old conflict
> between Partition Magic and Disk Doctor which you would have thought
> Symantec would correct since they own both now. Also if you choose
> automatically fix disk errors it tells you it can't do it until you reboot
> and then that takes quite a while to do during boot up (I think it might use
> XP's built in disk utilities anyway. Problem is that is does this regardless
> if there are any errors to fix or not. If you don't check the automatically
> fix it runs fine. If you have errors you then have to redo it and tell it to
> fix on reboot. Logic is not included in this sequence. It should scan first
> and if and only if it finds errors - inform you that it can't fix without
> rebooting and ask if you wan to schedule the fix for the next reboot.
> 
> -System Information seems the same.
> 
> -Wipe Info seems the same.
> 
> -Norton Registry Editor is gone. I used to use it because it had a find and
> replace function and a nice bookmark function.
> 
> -Password Manager (which now a separate product but integrates into
> SystemWorks once installed-I got it free with my order) is a waste of time.
> It works great at first but now it rarely does the fill-in for me and has
> all my passwords encrypted so I can even manually type them it fails to do
> it for me. Probably the result of some conflict with AV or some other
> security product but my Google toolbar fill-in feature works all the time so
> I don't think this is an acceptable excuse.
> 
> -Norton Ghost (I forget now-who did they buy this from yet?) 9 can now read
> Drive Image images. It seems that it is fast becoming Symantec's personal
> backup product too. I wonder how this will stand given they just bought
> Veritas. A tech at one of my subs recently mentioned that Ghost 9 doesn't
> create bootable CDs. I haven't verified that but that may be a limitation.
> (I believe in the past that you had to run Ghost from a floppy disk and it
> loaded drivers that let you access a CD drive.) Ghost 9 includes Ghost 2003
> on the CD for Windows 9x, Me, NT, Linux and DOS. It can't read Drive Image
> images.
> 
> -Norton Cleanup basically replaces Clean Sweep (which they inherited when
> they bought Quarterdeck) and Norton Web Cleanup includes tools to remove
> cookies urls, cached files, temporary files and MRUs. You can figure it can
> easily to not erase certain items. It no longer includes tools to cleanup
> duplicates files, dlls, screensavers, fonts, and other assorted
> collectables.
> 
> -Norton Go Back (which they bought from Roxio) version 4 which look much
> improved but I haven't installed yet because I didn't have room for its
> stash area. (I recently added another hard drive so I will be able to
> finally). I never much to complain about in the past version so unless they
> "broke it" it should be fine.
> 
> -Norton Anti-virus 2005 which is a very good product that I don't have
> installed right now due to testing CA's EZ anti-virus.
> 
> It includes a few Extras Features. Generally these are items that they
> recently purchased, are thinking about purchasing or haven't figured out how
> to incorporate into their UI. 2005 includes: System Optimizer _ basically a
> "Windows Tweak" type of program; Process Viewer; Performance Test;
> Connection Keep Alive; Check Diagnostics (from Smith Micro) for hardware
> testing. (Most larger PC manufacturers have a derivation of this included
> either on their system utilities CD or as a download anyway.)
> 
> Norton Utilities seems to have been forgotten in Symantec's acquisition
> frenzy. Vcom's System Utilities work much better as a replacement. However
> the other components in System Works are all fine products with a few quirks
> here and there. I do think they should include Partition Magic in the suite.
> 
> John B.


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 07:42:22 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:42:22 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.infocellar.com/winxp/disk-checking.htm

see above for some background and below for the answer...

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/default.asp?url=/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/fsutil_dirty.asp




On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:08:45 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, gang!
> 
> Any ideas on this? It's annoying more than anything, but it sure seems
> as if this is something that a guy could turn off. Any ideas?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:27:55 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > A few weeks ago, my old workstation (667 MHz, Windows XP Pro w/ SP-2,
> > 384 MB RAM) decided that one of the 3 hard disks was iffy and ran
> > scandisk and chkdsk right after the the blue Windows progress bar goes
> > away. I have since run Gibson Research's SpinRite 6 on it three times
> > (fine product, by the way) without finding anything untoward. My
> > question is, how do I turn off the automatic scandisk/chkdsk
> > combination? I can press the space bar to skip the disk checking, but
> > where do I look to disable the automatic checking? Is it a Service?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 10 07:57:51 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:57:51 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VB
	andVBA...
References: <003301c5254d$5446c200$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<c7fd28d005031002131287f13e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c52579$278279e0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I hope that you are well, and I hope that my comments come across as
> friendly, but not sharp.
Hello Mark,

Yes, I'm well, I've just returned from my ski walk from Finnish Gulf. It has
a thick ice covered by snow. The weather is great here these days, sunny and
frosty...

Your comments are well taken here. I can't say I found them sharp. Not at
all.

> Thanks for the FYI though
You're welcome!

> Oh, and do you think that it has even a one percent chance of succeeding?
I think the chances are not high. But what they ask for in the petition
looks reasonable for me.

> I have one exception to all these thoughts, if you have any
> information that I am unaware of regarding benefits of the old
> platform, tell me / us and with that I reserve the right to change my
> mind to an extent.
No, I don't have any information you're unaware of but old platform have got
developed a lot of real-life applications up&running these days. To stop
supporting it is as to say: "We don't care about your time, money, your
investments, we care about ours only, still we wanted you to support us
today and in the future.". Sounds stupid as it is and looks like  "cutting
the branch on which one is sitting". I can be wrong.

I signed this petition because I agree with this its statement/requirement:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
We believe the best way to meet these objectives is for Microsoft to include
an updated version of VB6 inside the Visual Studio IDE. For brevity we'll
call this update "VB.COM".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is really useful - I'm currently developing for VBA, VB6, VB.NET, C#,
C++ - and switching between VS.NET and VS6 and have them both installed
looks uncomfortable...

> but that is what we signed up for in our vocation, I think that it is
> the nature of the it industry, I do not expect it to ever be easy, now
> or in twenty years time.  It I wanted a static industry I could have
> chosen carpentry, it is around a while.
IMO this petition is not to make IT industry static - it's to make it less
crazy and less chaotic and to force/ask the leaders of this crazy race to
stay committed for what and how they do.

> Whereas if we all have to
> learn .Net, we will spend the next two years trying to figure out how
> to populate a list box etc.
I think it would be a good idea to not spend that much time on that :) -
they (MS) are cooking Avalon
(http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3469551) - it and XAML
will substitute WinForms in the not that far future....

>  If they do not reduce and finally stop
> supporting com, then natural inertia will allow the status quo to
> continue.
They DO support COM in VS.NET 2003 and in upcoming VS.NET 2005 - this is ATL
in unmanaged Visual C++. They DO make it stronger and easier to use from
version to version etc.
I think they DO still broadly use COM for their own development.
When they will stop supporting COM then the new MS Windows platform will
arrive.
It will not happen in the near future, will it? Longhorn will continue to
support COM I think...

> Is it not the case that for financial reasons, MS push us all the time
> to the limit of our abilities to keep up with the code that they
> produce.  But at the same time, they drag us kicking and screaming
> along the technology trail?
Did I understand you properly: are you saying that these are not financial
reasons MS pushing us?

I think these are mainl commercial reasons MS are pushing us.
They have to get their ROI sooner or later. They will get it as it was many
times before.
They did invest in Java. Visual Studio 6 had Java. They planned to become
the main players in the Java field. But then Sun managed to not let MS to
"corrupt" Java. They needed to save their investments in Java and they used
the code base from their Java project to develop .NET Framework. BTW, I did
try to compile some native Java samples in J# - they just work...

... .NET Framework is great. No doubts. I like it. But I think that the main
interests behind it are commercial. No doubts too...

...and I don't have any negative emotions about that - I also these days
write programs because of commercial reasons to earn money for my family
living...

> Is VB6/VBA worth keeping?  Is there something that is more special
> about it that deserves to retain it than lets say, word version 2 or
> other technologies that have been retired in the past.
Yes, I think VB6/VBA keeping is worth because investments in them were huge.

<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This mirrors the approach taken for the C language and enhances the
viability of VB.NET while preserving customers' assets.  By continuing
development of both managed and unmanaged Visual Basic, Microsoft will
demonstrate their commitment to their entire developer community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I agree with this statement of this petition too.

I must say the more I'm getting back into C++ these days the more I sorrow I
switched to VB/VBA back to year 1994. Yes, I did get quite some very good
experience in developing real-life applications and a lot of good friends
all around the World but in the same time a lot of my time investments in
code I have written for myself and for my customers are going to be lost.
I've also missed some advanced mainstream tendencies of the "real-world"
C++/OOP programming like software design patterns etc....
...my wise colleague who are stick to C/C++ has now code written almost
twenty years ago up&running inside his payroll application adapted to MS Win
platform using MS Visual C++ and ATL. And he doesn't need to change that
much - his code will mostly be OK in the current and coming versions of
Visual Studio....
...I did also do experiment with the C code, which I have first written for
PDP11, then ported to MS DOS(Borland Turbo C) and now I did port it to MS
VS.NET (C++) - it wasn't that much work to do that port....

Thank you for you long message. I must say I didn't expect such a "hot" and
"sharp" reaction when I posted here information about petition :)
I just thought there are a lot of very experienced VB/VBA developers here
who will be interested to support "VB.COM" inside Visual Studio and who will
feel relaxed if MS will commit to implement proposed "VB.COM" by thus saving
their and their customers investments.

And of course I will try to "push" my customers to develop new projects
using .NET Framework despite the fact that I signed this petition...

Shamil Salakhetdinov
Russia

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VB
andVBA...


> Hello Shamil,
>
> Is VB6/VBA worth keeping?  Is there something that is more special
> about it that deserves to retain it than lets say, word version 2 or
> other technologies that have been retired in the past.
>
> Is it not the case that for financial reasons, MS push us all the time
> to the limit of our abilities to keep up with the code that they
> produce.  But at the same time, they drag us kicking and screaming
> along the technology trail?
>
> I am aware that the migration from Com to .Net / managed environment
> is a big change for the world to make, but by MS forcing our hands, we
> all have to move on.  If they do not reduce and finally stop
> supporting com, then natural inertia will allow the status quo to
> continue.
>
> Sure, for the person that is currently lightning fast at developing
> vb6 apps, that suits them, but is it progress to let the existing
> situation remain as is?
>
> Now I know that we could argue that if we remain in the com
> environment, we can focus our energies on User Interface Design and
> other ergonomic issues, also we can focus on addressing, more
> accurately, the business requirements.  Whereas if we all have to
> learn .Net, we will spend the next two years trying to figure out how
> to populate a list box etc.
>
> But my suspicion is that the individual programmer or development
> department will continue to place the same priority on those
> non-technical issues as they have in the past, in other words, blaming
> the learning curve of new technology is not the real culprit in bad
> software. In my opinion, ideology - or lack of a good one - is.
>
> So, to summarise, given my limited knowledge of the differences and
> benefits of the managed vs un managed environments, and my lack of
> awareness of any huge benefits of remaining with the un-managed
> environment, I would be more in favour of 'bring it on MS",
>
> sure we will burn the midnight oil again for the 10th time in fifteen
years,
> sure we will struggle and buy more books, and say "once I over come
> this new hump in my lack of knowledge, I will be flying"
> sure we did it with dos, windows, Access 2, Access 97, VB, SQL, Dot
> Net, the internet etc etc,
>
> but that is what we signed up for in our vocation, I think that it is
> the nature of the it industry, I do not expect it to ever be easy, now
> or in twenty years time.  It I wanted a static industry I could have
> chosen carpentry, it is around a while.
>
> I have one exception to all these thoughts, if you have any
> information that I am unaware of regarding benefits of the old
> platform, tell me / us and with that I reserve the right to change my
> mind to an extent.
>
> Thanks for the FYI though
> Oh, and do you think that it has even a one percent chance of succeeding?
>
> I hope that you are well, and I hope that my comments come across as
> friendly, but not sharp.
>
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:44:06 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> > FYI: http://classicvb.org/petition/
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 10 08:47:22 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:47:22 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
Message-ID: <s2306c21.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil and Mark

Thank you for the wise comments.
However - though I signed - I would be very surprised to see VB.COM
come true ...

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 10-03-2005 14:57:51 >>>

Thank you for you long message. I must say I didn't expect such a "hot"
and
"sharp" reaction when I posted here information about petition :)
I just thought there are a lot of very experienced VB/VBA developers
here
who will be interested to support "VB.COM" inside Visual Studio and who
will
feel relaxed if MS will commit to implement proposed "VB.COM" by thus
saving
their and their customers investments.

And of course I will try to "push" my customers to develop new
projects
using .NET Framework despite the fact that I signed this petition...

Shamil Salakhetdinov
Russia



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Mar 15 07:44:33 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:44:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in Spain
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58BC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation 
 
A Belgian customer of mine is starting a Company in Spain and will be
living there in 6 months or so.
 
During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in
Belgium one in Spain.
I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP
mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
 
So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the
client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
 
The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay
E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this
is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on
the provider network. 
 
I've been told there are free SMTP servers out there, but I don't trust
that.
Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?
 
 
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/onsgezin

 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 15 12:29:30 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:29:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in
	Spain
Message-ID: <s23737b4.013@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

ISPs do what they like to do ...

One option would be to bring his own SMTP server. An old Pentium machine with Mercury/32 will do:

  http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

Or get an account at Novell's MyRealBox:

  http://www.myrealbox.com 

Example:

Return-path: <cactus at cactus.dk>
Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]
	by cactus.dk; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:20:34 +0100
Received: from smtp.myrealbox.com cactusdata [213.150.48.58]
	by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 1.4 $ on Linux;
	Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:20:33 -0700
X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.51 (25-Sep-2003)
X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/ 
X-Priority: 3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:20:31 +0100
From: Cactus Data <cactus at cactus.dk>
To: gustav at cactus.dk 
Subject: ???
Reply-To: cactusdata at myrealbox.com 

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 15-03-2005 14:44:33 >>>
I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation 
 
A Belgian customer of mine is starting a Company in Spain and will be
living there in 6 months or so.
 
During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in
Belgium one in Spain.
I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP
mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
 
So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the
client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
 
The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay
E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this
is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on
the provider network. 
 
I've been told there are free SMTP servers out there, but I don't trust
that.
Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Mar 15 15:08:50 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:08:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution inSpain
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58CD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thx Gustav
I take a look into that.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:29 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution inSpain

Hi Erwin

ISPs do what they like to do ...

One option would be to bring his own SMTP server. An old Pentium machine with Mercury/32 will do:

  http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

Or get an account at Novell's MyRealBox:

  http://www.myrealbox.com 

Example:

Return-path: <cactus at cactus.dk>
Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]
	by cactus.dk; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:20:34 +0100
Received: from smtp.myrealbox.com cactusdata [213.150.48.58]
	by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 1.4 $ on Linux;
	Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:20:33 -0700
X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.51 (25-Sep-2003)
X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/
X-Priority: 3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:20:31 +0100
From: Cactus Data <cactus at cactus.dk>
To: gustav at cactus.dk
Subject: ???
Reply-To: cactusdata at myrealbox.com 

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 15-03-2005 14:44:33 >>>
I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation 
 
A Belgian customer of mine is starting a Company in Spain and will be living there in 6 months or so.
 
During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in Belgium one in Spain.
I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
 
So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
 
The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on the provider network. 
 
I've been told there are free SMTP servers out there, but I don't trust that.
Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 15 15:23:17 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:23:17 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution inSpain
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58CD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4237DEE5.30217.3241B13@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Mar 2005 at 22:08, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> Thx Gustav
> I take a look into that.
> 
>> One option would be to bring his own SMTP server. An old Pentium machine 
>> with Mercury/32 will do:
> 

If you need help in setting up a Mercury server, fire you questions this 
way.

One possible "gotcha" is that more and more ISPs are blocking port 25 and 
forcing people on their network to use the ISPs server.



-- 
Stuart




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Mar 15 15:43:09 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:43:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution inSpain
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58D4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Probably due to fight the spam and virusspreading.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution
inSpain

On 15 Mar 2005 at 22:08, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> Thx Gustav
> I take a look into that.
> 
>> One option would be to bring his own SMTP server. An old Pentium 
>> machine with Mercury/32 will do:
> 

If you need help in setting up a Mercury server, fire you questions this
way.

One possible "gotcha" is that more and more ISPs are blocking port 25
and forcing people on their network to use the ISPs server.



-- 
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 20:00:41 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:00:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050315180024a4320e@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Thanks for the links. I read through the fsutil stuff on the Microsoft
site and ran chkdsk /f from the command prompt. I checked fsutil dirty
afterwards and the drive is NOT dirty anymore. We'll see when I
restart. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:42:22 -0600, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.infocellar.com/winxp/disk-checking.htm
> 
> see above for some background and below for the answer...
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/default.asp?url=/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/fsutil_dirty.asp
>


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 03:21:49 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:21:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Message-ID: <20050316102147.ADA6B24CBBB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Anyone know anything about www.onspeed.com ? It's compression software which
claims to radically speed-up your browsing. Anyone any experience of this or
similar? I'm being asked by someone and don't know any answers other than
what their website says, all of which sounds a little too good to be true
(awards galore).
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 16 05:47:50 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:47:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
In-Reply-To: <20050316102147.ADA6B24CBBB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4238A986.15507.63B9E26@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Mar 2005 at 10:21, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Anyone know anything about www.onspeed.com ? It's compression software which
> claims to radically speed-up your browsing. Anyone any experience of this or
> similar? I'm being asked by someone and don't know any answers other than
> what their website says, all of which sounds a little too good to be true
> (awards galore).
> --
Sounds good.  Here's a couple of reviews I've located:

http://www.netmag.co.uk/reviews/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=29087&sub
sectionid=497&subsubsectionid=168

http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/reviews/onspeed.html

-- 
Stuart




From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 08:14:26 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:14:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f3050315180024a4320e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f3050315180024a4320e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c49505031606145e6f13a6@mail.gmail.com>

The dirty little secret ;-)

Hope it works.

GK


On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:00:41 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary,
> 
> Thanks for the links. I read through the fsutil stuff on the Microsoft
> site and ran chkdsk /f from the command prompt. I checked fsutil dirty
> afterwards and the drive is NOT dirty anymore. We'll see when I
> restart. Thank you.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:42:22 -0600, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.infocellar.com/winxp/disk-checking.htm
> >
> > see above for some background and below for the answer...
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/default.asp?url=/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/fsutil_dirty.asp
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 08:20:45 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:20:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Message-ID: <20050316152042.0F57025404D@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks Stuart
Does sound interesting doesn't it? I can find nothing but positive reviews.

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Date: 16/03/05 11:48

>
> On 16 Mar 2005 at 10:21, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> &gt; Anyone know anything about www.onspeed.com ? It's compression
software which
> &gt; claims to radically speed-up your browsing. Anyone any experience of
this or
> &gt; similar? I'm being asked by someone and don't know any answers other
than
> &gt; what their website says, all of which sounds a little too good to be
true
> &gt; (awards galore).
> &gt; --
> Sounds good.  Here's a couple of reviews I've located:
>
>
http://www.netmag.co.uk/reviews/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&amp;articleid=29087&amp;sub
> sectionid=497&amp;subsubsectionid=168
>
> http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/reviews/onspeed.html
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Mar 16 15:30:38 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:30:38 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP trick...
Message-ID: <000d01c52a6f$6840f0b0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

It looks like my son has got "hooked" by local hackers when he downloaded
some files here from INtranet of my ISP :(
I will cost me some money overpaid for the traffic....

Question: when I have HTML page loaded in a browser from a server, and this
HTML page has Javascript, which calls PHP function (from compiled PHP file -
I can't get source) is that possible that this PHP function will work(starts
a server process, thread) using my credentials and my IP and will download
file on server side, which my ISP will count as my traffic?

TIA for any info on the subject!

Best regards,
Shamil
--
Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 16 16:18:12 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:18:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in Spain
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58BC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4238B0A4.4030307@shaw.ca>

You could perhaps use Web2Mail but I don't know how secure or stable it is.
It relays POP3 to a web server,
I also dont know about archival retrieval of mail, ie can you download 
to another site.
http://www.web2mail.com/lite/welcome.php

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation 
> 
>A Belgian customer of mine is starting a Company in Spain and will be
>living there in 6 months or so.
> 
>During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in
>Belgium one in Spain.
>I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP
>mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
> 
>So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the
>client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
> 
>The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay
>E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this
>is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on
>the provider network. 
> 
>I've been told there are free SMTP servers out there, but I don't trust
>that.
>Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder 
>
>www.ithelps.be/onsgezin
>
> 
>
>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the
>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal
>offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to
>the sender.
>
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>
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><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
><http://www.stadleuven.be/> 
>
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>
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Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 16 16:29:26 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:29:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in Spain
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58BC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<4238B0A4.4030307@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <022901c52a77$9cf8e800$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I've used web 2 mail everywhere I've traveled and it's worked fine.  Used it 
in Taiwan with a dialup in the room.  No problems.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in Spain


> You could perhaps use Web2Mail but I don't know how secure or stable it 
> is.
> It relays POP3 to a web server,
> I also dont know about archival retrieval of mail, ie can you download to 
> another site.
> http://www.web2mail.com/lite/welcome.php
>
> Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>>I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation A Belgian customer of mine is 
>>starting a Company in Spain and will be
>>living there in 6 months or so.
>> During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in
>>Belgium one in Spain.
>>I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP
>>mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
>> So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the
>>client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
>> The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay
>>E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this
>>is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on
>>the provider network. I've been told there are free SMTP servers out 
>>there, but I don't trust
>>that.
>>Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>>
>>Zaakvoerder
>>www.ithelps.be/onsgezin
>>
>>
>>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the
>>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or
>>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal
>>offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to
>>the sender.
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 16 16:41:24 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:41:24 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP trick...
In-Reply-To: <000d01c52a6f$6840f0b0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <423942B4.9241.891FA24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Mar 2005 at 0:30, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> 
> Question: when I have HTML page loaded in a browser from a server, and this
> HTML page has Javascript, which calls PHP function (from compiled PHP file -
> I can't get source)  that possible that this PHP function will work(starts
> a server process, thread) 

Yes, but note that PHP is not compiled and it doesn't need any javascript.
 
<quote>
PHP (recursive acronym for "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor") is a widely-used 
Open Source general-purpose scripting language that is especially suited 
for Web development and can be embedded into HTML. 
.....
Example:
<html> 
   <head> 
       <title>Example</title> 
   </head> 
   <body> 

       <?php 
       echo "Hi, I'm a PHP script!"; 
       ?> 

   </body> 
</html>

Notice how this is different from a script written in other languages like 
Perl or C -- instead of writing a program with lots of commands to output 
HTML, you write an HTML script with some embedded code to do something (in 
this case, output some text). The PHP code is enclosed in special start and 
end tags that allow you to jump into and out of "PHP mode". 

What distinguishes PHP from something like client-side JavaScript is that 
the code is executed on the server. If you were to have a script similar to 
the above on your server, the client would receive the results of running 
that script, with no way of determining what the underlying code may be. 
You can even configure your web server to process all your HTML files with 
PHP, and then there's really no way that users can tell what you have up 
your sleeve. 
</quote>

>using my credentials and my IP and will download
> file on server side, which my ISP will count as my traffic?
> 

PHP has a full set of FTP functions, so I suppose it's possible for someone 
to set up PHP script to download files from an FTP site to the server and 
then upload them to their own FTP site.  If you are running the script then 
it's possible that your ISP would recognise this and count it as your 
traffic.







-- 
Stuart




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Mar 16 17:18:48 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:18:48 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP trick...
References: <423942B4.9241.891FA24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01c52a7e$87232340$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> If you are running the script then  it's possible that your
> ISP would recognise this and count it as your traffic.
Thank you, Stuart!

I was wrong with hackers.
My son used RegEt for file download from the local server.
But RegEt had mirror site search function switched On.
And it used its mirror db at mirrordb.reget.com to find the quickest
download site.
And it happened this was the outer Internet, not locat Internet :(

Best regards,
Shamil
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PHP trick...


> On 17 Mar 2005 at 0:30, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> >
> > Question: when I have HTML page loaded in a browser from a server, and
this
> > HTML page has Javascript, which calls PHP function (from compiled PHP
file -
> > I can't get source)  that possible that this PHP function will
work(starts
> > a server process, thread)
>
> Yes, but note that PHP is not compiled and it doesn't need any javascript.
>
> <quote>
> PHP (recursive acronym for "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor") is a widely-used
> Open Source general-purpose scripting language that is especially suited
> for Web development and can be embedded into HTML.
> .....
> Example:
> <html>
>    <head>
>        <title>Example</title>
>    </head>
>    <body>
>
>        <?php
>        echo "Hi, I'm a PHP script!";
>        ?>
>
>    </body>
> </html>
>
> Notice how this is different from a script written in other languages like
> Perl or C -- instead of writing a program with lots of commands to output
> HTML, you write an HTML script with some embedded code to do something (in
> this case, output some text). The PHP code is enclosed in special start
and
> end tags that allow you to jump into and out of "PHP mode".
>
> What distinguishes PHP from something like client-side JavaScript is that
> the code is executed on the server. If you were to have a script similar
to
> the above on your server, the client would receive the results of running
> that script, with no way of determining what the underlying code may be.
> You can even configure your web server to process all your HTML files with
> PHP, and then there's really no way that users can tell what you have up
> your sleeve.
> </quote>
>
> >using my credentials and my IP and will download
> > file on server side, which my ISP will count as my traffic?
> >
>
> PHP has a full set of FTP functions, so I suppose it's possible for
someone
> to set up PHP script to download files from an FTP site to the server and
> then upload them to their own FTP site.  If you are running the script
then
> it's possible that your ISP would recognise this and count it as your
> traffic.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 17 01:19:53 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:19:53 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <s2306c21.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008e01c52ac1$babe1000$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

FYI:

Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
rentalware.
http://news.com.com/5208-1007-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=5447&messageID=33487&start=-191

Microsoft walks VB tight rope
Facing protests from legions of Visual Basic developers, Microsoft is not
backing down. But it is taking steps to keep them on friendly terms.
http://news.com.com/2100-1007-5620821.html?tag=yt

"In short, by using VB6, you conciously  subscribed to the Microsoft
business plan that
obsolteted it. Microsoft never led you to believe they wouldn't change
things around on
you or force you to port your code. Historically, this has happened many
times
before and there's financial incentives to do it. The developer is wrong to
whine, and
Microsoft's right to ignore them. "

Shamil
--
Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s

<<< tail skipped >>>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 17 01:37:53 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:53 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
In-Reply-To: <008e01c52ac1$babe1000$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4239C071.23694.124FA03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Mar 2005 at 10:19, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> FYI:
> 
> Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
> Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
> incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
> having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
> rentalware.

As an alternative to following the forced march - PowerBASIC have just 
rolled out Version 8.0 of PB/Win.






-- 
Stuart




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 17 01:57:02 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:57:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <s2306c21.066@cactus.dk>
	<008e01c52ac1$babe1000$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4239384E.9070602@shaw.ca>

Even Fortran had runtime polymorphism and inheritance, 10 years ago, 
Fortran 95 is not fully oops
but I prefer a language designed to translate formulas :-) rather than 
one cobbled together to run telephone switching
equipment and then hacked into a general-purpose language over the 
 years...
http://www.fortran.com/metcalf.htm?
But what do you think I run on my Cray XD-1 to handle 64 bit pointers? 
 and parallel programming  ;)
Fortran is a standard compiler install on these beasts.

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>FYI:
>
>Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
>Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
>incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
>having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
>rentalware.
>http://news.com.com/5208-1007-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=5447&messageID=33487&start=-191
>
>Microsoft walks VB tight rope
>Facing protests from legions of Visual Basic developers, Microsoft is not
>backing down. But it is taking steps to keep them on friendly terms.
>http://news.com.com/2100-1007-5620821.html?tag=yt
>
>"In short, by using VB6, you conciously  subscribed to the Microsoft
>business plan that
>obsolteted it. Microsoft never led you to believe they wouldn't change
>things around on
>you or force you to port your code. Historically, this has happened many
>times
>before and there's financial incentives to do it. The developer is wrong to
>whine, and
>Microsoft's right to ignore them. "
>
>Shamil
>--
>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 17 02:07:07 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:07:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <s2306c21.066@cactus.dk>
	<008e01c52ac1$babe1000$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <42393AAB.3080909@shaw.ca>

You think I am kidding about my own Cray
Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
To get in

telnet login.cray-cyber.org

at login user guest password guest

For more info
http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>FYI:
>
>Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
>Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
>incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
>having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
>rentalware.
>http://news.com.com/5208-1007-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=5447&messageID=33487&start=-191
>
>Microsoft walks VB tight rope
>Facing protests from legions of Visual Basic developers, Microsoft is not
>backing down. But it is taking steps to keep them on friendly terms.
>http://news.com.com/2100-1007-5620821.html?tag=yt
>
>"In short, by using VB6, you conciously  subscribed to the Microsoft
>business plan that
>obsolteted it. Microsoft never led you to believe they wouldn't change
>things around on
>you or force you to port your code. Historically, this has happened many
>times
>before and there's financial incentives to do it. The developer is wrong to
>whine, and
>Microsoft's right to ignore them. "
>
>Shamil
>--
>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
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>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Mar 17 03:22:11 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:22:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in Spain
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58E0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I got a Mail yesterday from my customer saying it was solved.
I check the headers and indeed he uses the telefonica SMTP server, so I
asked what the problem was but I have no  answer yet.

However I'm guessing that port 25 was maybe closed. The technician sayd,
when first installed, that something would not work until a port was
opened and that it would take 24 hours to open the port.
But it was over the week-end so maybe openinging the port took longer
than promised.

Erwin




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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: looking for SMTP relay server solution in
Spain

You could perhaps use Web2Mail but I don't know how secure or stable it
is.
It relays POP3 to a web server,
I also dont know about archival retrieval of mail, ie can you download
to another site.
http://www.web2mail.com/lite/welcome.php

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>I seem to tumbled into a unusual situation
> 
>A Belgian customer of mine is starting a Company in Spain and will be 
>living there in 6 months or so.
> 
>During that period he will use two ADSL intenet connections. One in 
>Belgium one in Spain.
>I adviced him to use a .COM domain which forwards his mail to the POP 
>mailbox at his provider in Belgium.
> 
>So my intention was to leave the pop server as it is, but to let the 
>client change the relay SMTP server depending on the country he is in.
> 
>The problem is that the Telefonica Spain SMTP server refuses to relay 
>E-mail for which it has not the domain registred. At my knowledge this 
>is very unusual because normaly an ISP only verifies if the user is on 
>the provider network.
> 
>I've been told there are free SMTP servers out there, but I don't trust

>that.
>Any other solution or paid SMTP servers?
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder
>
>www.ithelps.be/onsgezin
>
> 
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 17 03:23:40 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:23:40 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <4239C071.23694.124FA03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00cd01c52ad4$99d91020$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> As an alternative to following the forced march - PowerBASIC have just
> rolled out Version 8.0 of PB/Win.
One can also migrate VB to Fox:

http://acsoft.brinkster.net/vbtofox .

Shamil

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged
VBandVBA...


> On 17 Mar 2005 at 10:19, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> > FYI:
> >
> > Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
> > Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
> > incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
> > having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
> > rentalware.
>
> As an alternative to following the forced march - PowerBASIC have just
> rolled out Version 8.0 of PB/Win.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 17 03:34:51 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:51 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <s2306c21.066@cactus.dk><008e01c52ac1$babe1000$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<42393AAB.3080909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00ce01c52ad4$99f0dde0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> at login user guest password guest
Marty,

I did try to login - it worked OK! :)

Shamil

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From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged
VBandVBA...


> You think I am kidding about my own Cray
> Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
> To get in
>
> telnet login.cray-cyber.org
>
> at login user guest password guest
>
> For more info
> http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >FYI:
> >
> >Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
> >Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
> >incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
> >having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
> >rentalware.
>
>http://news.com.com/5208-1007-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=5447&messageID=3348
7&start=-191
> >
> >Microsoft walks VB tight rope
> >Facing protests from legions of Visual Basic developers, Microsoft is not
> >backing down. But it is taking steps to keep them on friendly terms.
> >http://news.com.com/2100-1007-5620821.html?tag=yt
> >
> >"In short, by using VB6, you conciously  subscribed to the Microsoft
> >business plan that
> >obsolteted it. Microsoft never led you to believe they wouldn't change
> >things around on
> >you or force you to port your code. Historically, this has happened many
> >times
> >before and there's financial incentives to do it. The developer is wrong
to
> >whine, and
> >Microsoft's right to ignore them. "
> >
> >Shamil
> >--
> >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >
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> Canada
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Mar 17 04:01:04 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:01:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58E2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I was a unbeliever first, because they use compression, and compression
is a two side  (sender/receiver) technique.

After reading the "how it works" section I understood the technique they
use.
Technicaly it works, but I have some questions about it.

Basicly it work like this.

The user requests a webpage.
Instead of getting the page from the actual webserver, it sends a
request via prot 7000 to the compression server of Onspeed.
The Onspeed compression server then collects the page from the original
webserver, compresses it.
Then the user donwnloads the compressed page from the Onspeed server.

These are my remarks.

Negative:
1) Time is lost because you add an addtional transaction in requestion
the webpage.
2) Time is lost because it needs compression at onstream server
3) Time is lost bcause it needs decompressing at user side.
4) The overall internet gets more saturated (slower) because 1 file is
send TWICE over the internet (1x uncompressed, 1x compressed and some
communication overhead).
5) Compression is already more and more build in to webservers (IIS6)
and webbrowsers. This would mainly work on older or non compressing
supporting systems.
6) Privacy, altough they claim that no spyware is installed, and this is
probably true because they don't need it. Because every webpage and
E-mail you see is requested at the onspeed server. They know EXACTLY
what webpages you visite by the second, because you always get the
webpage from onspeed, nver from the real webserver!!!
7) What guarante you have the pages are not changed when delivering to
you.
Who says that an add from x is not replaced by an ad of y???
8) They will need VERY SPEEDY SERVER and VERY HIGH bandwith because with
this effect you create 1 single bottleneck....
9) This technique is compleetly pointless in a matter of time and has
only his advantage as long as not all webservers have build in
compression. 
10) Will a 2K webpage really be THAT much faster over a broadband
connection with al that overhead?
11) Compresion on picturs will probably result in a lower but
unnoticable quality.

Positive:
1) Most webpages are a lot of text so higly compressible. >>>SPEED
2) There are a lot JPG out there that are badly compressed.>>>SPEED
3) Posibly the delay caused by the rerouting and compress/decompress is
smaller than the delay caused by the original download.>>>SPEED
4) Posibly a good solution for low speed dial up/GPRS connections. 
However dial up modems have build in (sometimes hardware) compression.
Off-line compression is better than on-line(modem) compression but the
profit is not that much..


Erwin 









 

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:22 AM
To: Dba Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed

Anyone know anything about www.onspeed.com ? It's compression software
which claims to radically speed-up your browsing. Anyone any experience
of this or similar? I'm being asked by someone and don't know any
answers other than what their website says, all of which sounds a little
too good to be true (awards galore).
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 17 04:40:30 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:40:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development of
	unmanaged VBandVBA...)
Message-ID: <s2396cce.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Great! Never tried to login to a supercomputer before.
What can we use if for? 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 9:07 am >>>
You think I am kidding about my own Cray
Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
To get in

telnet login.cray-cyber.org

at login user guest password guest

For more info
http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Mar 17 04:52:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:52:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development ofunmanaged
	VBandVBA...)
In-Reply-To: <s2396cce.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004301c52adf$592de220$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

You log in to a supercomputer every time you turn on your computer.  In 1982
a Vax mini had a processor clock in the tens of megahertz and a couple of
megabytes of RAM.  The supercomputers of the day (I worked on mini-supers)
had clocks in the hundreds of megahertz range and had tens to hundreds of
megabytes of memory.  Your pitiful PC today has a processor way faster than
the supercomputers of 1980 and as much to 10 or more times as much memory.

Of course you have Windows sucking up the CPU cycles and memory.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:41 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development
ofunmanaged VBandVBA...)


Hi Marty

Great! Never tried to login to a supercomputer before.
What can we use if for? 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 9:07 am >>>
You think I am kidding about my own Cray
Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
To get in

telnet login.cray-cyber.org

at login user guest password guest

For more info
http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 17 05:16:37 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:16:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development
	ofunmanagedVBandVBA...)
Message-ID: <s239752e.038@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Thanks. 
So this is a museum thing (which of course is interesting but in
another context)?
I noticed the specs: 1 CPU and 1 GB ram ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 03/17 11:52 am >>>
You log in to a supercomputer every time you turn on your computer.  In
1982
a Vax mini had a processor clock in the tens of megahertz and a couple
of
megabytes of RAM.  The supercomputers of the day (I worked on
mini-supers)
had clocks in the hundreds of megahertz range and had tens to hundreds
of
megabytes of memory.  Your pitiful PC today has a processor way faster
than
the supercomputers of 1980 and as much to 10 or more times as much
memory.

Of course you have Windows sucking up the CPU cycles and memory.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/ 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:41 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development
ofunmanaged VBandVBA...)


Hi Marty

Great! Never tried to login to a supercomputer before.
What can we use if for? 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 9:07 am >>>
You think I am kidding about my own Cray
Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
To get in

telnet login.cray-cyber.org

at login user guest password guest

For more info
http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php 



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Mar 17 05:31:39 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:39 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged VBandVBA...
References: <4239C071.23694.124FA03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01c52ae4$e48d6930$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> As an alternative to following the forced march
My bet: in two years (after VS2005 release + some delay) VB.NET developers
quantity will be higher than VB6 and it will start to grow very quickly.

VB.NET 2005 promise to have such useful features as:

- edit & continue (it's still missing in VB.NET 2003 - and this is a real
PITA);
- generics - this is a very useful feature for real life business apps,
maybe even more useful than implementation inheritance.
- VB.NET is better(more useful) IMO than C# for real-life business apps
because it is more "democratic" - it lets to use late binding/typeless
programming where C# forces one to use lengthy methods/properties invoke
coding. Typeless programming looks more suitable for the "no time to think -
make it working today" unpatient customers' market demand. So VB.NET
programmers may write the code today and to refactor it (if needed) rather
quickly tomorrow when they get their customers happy. C# doesn't allow to do
that and it doesn't promise to let to do that tomorrow - am I missing
something?

Recap: MS looks like having enough strength/resources to "survive" the
current "strike against VB.NET/.NET Framework" and to put several millions
of
VB6/VBA develiopers to accept the "forced march". VS.NET 2005/.NET Framework
2.0 will be the "turning point".

Of course, I can be wrong with my bet.
Thiis is how I feel it now.

Still having "VB.COM" within VS.NET would be very useful. But it doesn't
look possible from technical point of view: I'm working on VB6 and VS.NET
add-ins now - VS6 and VS.NET use very different Design Time Environment
object models...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A petition for the development of unmanaged
VBandVBA...


> On 17 Mar 2005 at 10:19, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> > FYI:
> >
> > Microsft May Be Hitting a Complaince Wall Here
> > Undoubtedly the reason VB.NET is so unlike VB6 is that a no-going-back
> > incompatibility is essential to the .NET strategy, for it is a strategy
> > having no compelling reason to exist except to compel a forced march to
> > rentalware.
>
> As an alternative to following the forced march - PowerBASIC have just
> rolled out Version 8.0 of PB/Win.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Mar 17 05:32:46 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the
	developmentofunmanagedVBandVBA...)
In-Reply-To: <s239752e.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004401c52ae5$0abc7f10$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Gustav,

I have no idea what the Cray mentioned is, I am simply pointing out that the
PC of today is faster and has more power than the supercomputer of probably
even a decade ago, but certainly of 2 decades ago..

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:17 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the
developmentofunmanagedVBandVBA...)


Hi John

Thanks. 
So this is a museum thing (which of course is interesting but in another
context)? I noticed the specs: 1 CPU and 1 GB ram ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 03/17 11:52 am >>>
You log in to a supercomputer every time you turn on your computer.  In 1982
a Vax mini had a processor clock in the tens of megahertz and a couple of
megabytes of RAM.  The supercomputers of the day (I worked on
mini-supers)
had clocks in the hundreds of megahertz range and had tens to hundreds of
megabytes of memory.  Your pitiful PC today has a processor way faster than
the supercomputers of 1980 and as much to 10 or more times as much memory.

Of course you have Windows sucking up the CPU cycles and memory.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/ 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:41 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development
ofunmanaged VBandVBA...)


Hi Marty

Great! Never tried to login to a supercomputer before.
What can we use if for? 

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 9:07 am >>>
You think I am kidding about my own Cray
Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
To get in

telnet login.cray-cyber.org

at login user guest password guest

For more info
http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 17 07:05:53 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:05:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Message-ID: <20050317140556.0206B24D5AA@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks very much for your observations Erwin. Very useful.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
Date: 17/03/05 10:01

>
> I was a unbeliever first, because they use compression, and compression
> is a two side  (sender/receiver) technique.
>
> After reading the &quot;how it works&quot; section I understood the
technique they
> use.
> Technicaly it works, but I have some questions about it.
>
> Basicly it work like this.
>
> The user requests a webpage.
> Instead of getting the page from the actual webserver, it sends a
> request via prot 7000 to the compression server of Onspeed.
> The Onspeed compression server then collects the page from the original
> webserver, compresses it.
> Then the user donwnloads the compressed page from the Onspeed server.
>
> These are my remarks.
>
> Negative:
> 1) Time is lost because you add an addtional transaction in requestion
> the webpage.
> 2) Time is lost because it needs compression at onstream server
> 3) Time is lost bcause it needs decompressing at user side.
> 4) The overall internet gets more saturated (slower) because 1 file is
> send TWICE over the internet (1x uncompressed, 1x compressed and some
> communication overhead).
> 5) Compression is already more and more build in to webservers (IIS6)
> and webbrowsers. This would mainly work on older or non compressing
> supporting systems.
> 6) Privacy, altough they claim that no spyware is installed, and this is
> probably true because they don't need it. Because every webpage and
> E-mail you see is requested at the onspeed server. They know EXACTLY
> what webpages you visite by the second, because you always get the
> webpage from onspeed, nver from the real webserver!!!
> 7) What guarante you have the pages are not changed when delivering to
> you.
> Who says that an add from x is not replaced by an ad of y???
> 8) They will need VERY SPEEDY SERVER and VERY HIGH bandwith because with
> this effect you create 1 single bottleneck....
> 9) This technique is compleetly pointless in a matter of time and has
> only his advantage as long as not all webservers have build in
> compression.
> 10) Will a 2K webpage really be THAT much faster over a broadband
> connection with al that overhead?
> 11) Compresion on picturs will probably result in a lower but
> unnoticable quality.
>
> Positive:
> 1) Most webpages are a lot of text so higly compressible.
&gt;&gt;&gt;SPEED
> 2) There are a lot JPG out there that are badly
compressed.&gt;&gt;&gt;SPEED
> 3) Posibly the delay caused by the rerouting and compress/decompress is
> smaller than the delay caused by the original download.&gt;&gt;&gt;SPEED
> 4) Posibly a good solution for low speed dial up/GPRS connections.
> However dial up modems have build in (sometimes hardware) compression.
> Off-line compression is better than on-line(modem) compression but the
> profit is not that much..
>
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:22 AM
> To: Dba Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OnSpeed
>
> Anyone know anything about www.onspeed.com ? It's compression software
> which claims to radically speed-up your browsing. Anyone any experience
> of this or similar? I'm being asked by someone and don't know any
> answers other than what their website says, all of which sounds a little
> too good to be true (awards galore).
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 17 07:21:08 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:21:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <20050317142105.BB18B251A62@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
I've been instructed to find out so here goes...

Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
go.

We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
(notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?

And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
W2003 Server is a no go.

--
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 17 08:32:32 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:32:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <s239a321.044@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

NetOp would be first choice for this:

  http://www.netop.com/netop-13.htm 

A free trial is available so you can test everything out.
Support is pretty good too, should you need any advice.

/gustav

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 03/17 2:21 pm >>>
I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible,
but
I've been instructed to find out so here goes...

Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I
say
this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is
a no
go.

We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house
into
the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is
accessible
via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can
login
and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some
apps
(notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation
I
suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote
control
basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok,
says he,
but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its
security,
gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate
a
remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate
another
communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network.
In
essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the
office,
and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is
it?

And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server
or
W2003 Server is a no go.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar 17 10:18:31 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:18:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <20050317161831.VWAU14338.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

Radmin by Famatech is the fastest remote control program that I've used. It's almost like being there.
http://www.radmin.com/
> 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:21:08 EST
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
> I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> 
> Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
> this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
> go.
> 
> We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
> the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
> via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
> and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
> (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
> suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
> basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
> but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
> gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
> remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
> communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
> essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
> logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
> and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> 
> And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
> W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 17 11:41:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:41:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development of	unmanaged
	VBandVBA...)
References: <s2396cce.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4239C15C.4080402@shaw.ca>

This Cray version came out 1990 -1992
I have used for quick access to a Fortran 77 compiler.

Well you could bug Martin. There is one at Queen's University Belfast
Parallel Computer Centre

Here are course notes on its use from Queen's U
CRAY Y-MP EL Vector Processing and Performance Utilities
Student Notes
http://www.pcc.qub.ac.uk/tec/courses/cray/stu-notes/cray-stu.html

The last time I used it for any length of time was on a contract was to 
convert Fortran code that did stress analysis
on icebreaker hull design  from a Cray to an IBM 390. Come to think of 
it the naval architect
I worked with was Finnish and worked on the Russian icebreaker fleet in 
the '70's.

Vector processing  dumps the all or part of the Array KK and LL into a 
vector register and adds the two registers
rather than doing it in a scalar fashion one by one iteration. Hence the 
speed.
DO 10 I = 1, 3
JJ(I) = KK(I)+LL(I)
10 CONTINUE

A book on Fortran Vectorization issues on parallel-vector processors
Cray documentation books are scarce.

  A Guidebook to Fortran on Supercomputers
    John Levesque   Academic Press 1989  0-12-444760-0



Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Marty
>
>Great! Never tried to login to a supercomputer before.
>What can we use if for? 
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 9:07 am >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>You think I am kidding about my own Cray
>Well it is just Cray Y-MP EL
>To get in
>
>telnet login.cray-cyber.org
>
>at login user guest password guest
>
>For more info
>http://www.cray-cyber.org/access/index.php 
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 17 12:06:53 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:06:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development
	of	unmanagedVBandVBA...)
Message-ID: <s239d571.047@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty

Bug Martin? I could never do that!
I better study the on-line manual - should keep me busy for a weekend
or two ...

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 6:41 pm >>>
This Cray version came out 1990 -1992
I have used for quick access to a Fortran 77 compiler.

Well you could bug Martin. There is one at Queen's University Belfast
Parallel Computer Centre

Here are course notes on its use from Queen's U
CRAY Y-MP EL Vector Processing and Performance Utilities
Student Notes
http://www.pcc.qub.ac.uk/tec/courses/cray/stu-notes/cray-stu.html 




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 17 12:27:39 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:27:39 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cray (was: A petition for the development	of
	unmanagedVBandVBA...)
References: <s239d571.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4239CC1B.4090903@shaw.ca>

The kids here use the english term "bug" as synonymous with bother.
as in "Mommy, Judy is bugging me again."
He may know of other documentation around the site

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Thanks Marty
>
>Bug Martin? I could never do that!
>I better study the on-line manual - should keep me busy for a weekend
>or two ...
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/17 6:41 pm >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>This Cray version came out 1990 -1992
>I have used for quick access to a Fortran 77 compiler.
>
>Well you could bug Martin. There is one at Queen's University Belfast
>Parallel Computer Centre
>
>Here are course notes on its use from Queen's U
>CRAY Y-MP EL Vector Processing and Performance Utilities
>Student Notes
>http://www.pcc.qub.ac.uk/tec/courses/cray/stu-notes/cray-stu.html 
>
>
>_
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 17 12:35:00 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:35:00 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
In-Reply-To: <20050317161831.VWAU14338.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001901c52b20$06e1b410$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks for suggestions Gustav and Jim.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> jmoss111 at bellsouth.net
> Sent: 17 March 2005 16:19
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> 
> Radmin by Famatech is the fastest remote control program that 
> I've used. It's almost like being there. http://www.radmin.com/
> > 
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:21:08 EST
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > 
> > I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is 
> possible, 
> > but I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> > 
> > Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on 
> token ring. I 
> > say this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 
> > Server is a no go.
> > 
> > We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from 
> boss's house 
> > into the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that 
> everything is 
> > accessible via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). 
> All fine and 
> > dandy. Can login and has access to everything. However, 
> unsurprisingly 
> > really, some apps (notably my major Access app) are slow 
> through the 
> > VPN. In conversation I suggest that such apps as these 
> might be better 
> > run on a remote control basis so that all we were 
> transmitting was the 
> > screen/keyboard. Ok, says he, but now that he's got the tunnel 
> > configured, is happy with its security, gets access to all parts of 
> > the network that he wants, can he instigate a remote 
> control session 
> > via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another 
> communication from 
> > home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In essence he 
> > wants to now run an app that will change him from being a logged-on 
> > user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the 
> office, and 
> > then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> > 
> > And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on 
> W2K server 
> > or W2003 Server is a no go.
> > 
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Mar 17 13:16:16 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:16:16 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B58F4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I mainly use PC Anywhere.

But, maybe you should also consider Remote Desktop if his business pc is
a XP Pro.

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

Thanks for suggestions Gustav and Jim.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> jmoss111 at bellsouth.net
> Sent: 17 March 2005 16:19
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> 
> Radmin by Famatech is the fastest remote control program that I've 
> used. It's almost like being there. http://www.radmin.com/
> > 
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 08:21:08 EST
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > 
> > I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is
> possible,
> > but I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> > 
> > Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on
> token ring. I
> > say this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 
> > Server is a no go.
> > 
> > We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from
> boss's house
> > into the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that
> everything is
> > accessible via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). 
> All fine and
> > dandy. Can login and has access to everything. However,
> unsurprisingly
> > really, some apps (notably my major Access app) are slow
> through the
> > VPN. In conversation I suggest that such apps as these
> might be better
> > run on a remote control basis so that all we were
> transmitting was the
> > screen/keyboard. Ok, says he, but now that he's got the tunnel 
> > configured, is happy with its security, gets access to all parts of 
> > the network that he wants, can he instigate a remote
> control session
> > via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
> communication from
> > home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In essence he 
> > wants to now run an app that will change him from being a logged-on 
> > user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the
> office, and
> > then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> > 
> > And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on
> W2K server
> > or W2003 Server is a no go.
> > 
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 17 19:26:10 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:26:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
In-Reply-To: <20050317142105.BB18B251A62@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAuDDfUad+M0SU9G1slvePdgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Hi Andy,
I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which was
very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to recommend it
so I based my final decision between the two on that.

I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use because of
a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much but it
works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.) 

I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with it.
Since its free it's the obvious first choice.

If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid $11 or
something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can download
if you're interested in trying them all out.

HTH
John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
I've been instructed to find out so here goes...

Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
go.

We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
(notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?

And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
W2003 Server is a no go.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar 17 21:04:45 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (James Moss)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:04:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
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Message-ID: <20050318025904.SXUJ12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3>

Radmin is $30 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

Hi Andy,
I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which was
very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to recommend it
so I based my final decision between the two on that.

I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use because of
a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much but it
works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.) 

I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with it.
Since its free it's the obvious first choice.

If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid $11 or
something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can download
if you're interested in trying them all out.

HTH
John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
I've been instructed to find out so here goes...

Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
go.

We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
(notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?

And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
W2003 Server is a no go.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 17 21:16:03 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:16:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV product breaches
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA7CpnX96k1hG4QgAgeBwU7cKAAAAQAAAAsyM7W/xmvEOoY55jaT1FNgEAAAAA@winhaven.net>
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Just got one of these concerning McAfee. Who's next? 

John B. 

Malicious E-mail Commandeers Computers Running McAfee AV 
Severity: Medium
17 March, 2005

Summary:
Today, ISS X-Force, in cooperation with McAfee, announced a critical buffer
overflow vulnerability affecting the antivirus (AV) engine used by most
McAfee products. By sending an e-mail containing a specially-crafted
attachment, an attacker could exploit this flaw to execute code and gain
total control of any machine running Mcafee's AV. Since AV software scans
incoming files automatically, the attack can succeed even if the victim does
not interact with the malicious e-mail. If you use McAfee AV, ensure that
your clients have downloaded the McAfee VirusScan 4400 Scan Engine and
version 4436 (or higher) signature DAT.

Exposure: 
Today, both ISS X-Force and McAfee [pdf] released alerts describing a new
buffer overflow flaw that affects the antivirus (AV) engine used by most
McAfee products. The flaw resembles the Symantec, F-Secure and Trend Micro
flaws that ISS X-Force reported during February. According to both
advisories, the buffer overflow results from the McAfee VirusScan Engine's
inability to properly parse specially-malformed LHA files. LHA is a
compression format some virus authors utilize to make files smaller, and
thus faster-spreading.

By sending an e-mail containing a specially-crafted LHA attachment, an
attacker can exploit this buffer overflow to execute code on any computer
running McAfee's AV software. Since AV software scans incoming files
automatically, such an attack would succeed even if no one on your network
interacts with the malicious e-mail. Once the infected e-mail is received at
a valid address on your network, the attacker could obtain full control of
the victim's PC whether or not the victim opens the booby-trapped e-mail. 

Besides scanning e-mail, McAfee's VirusScan Engine also monitors files
downloaded from the Web, FTP servers, and Windows SMB shares. An attacker
could also exploit this vulnerability by enticing a victim into downloading
a malicious LHA file from these alternate sources.

The vulnerability itself presents a serious threat. However, we rank the
severity "Medium" because McAfee released a VirusScan Engine that fixed this
flaw back in December 2004. If you have McAfee's auto-update feature
enabled, your engine has been patched and this flaw no longer presents any
risk. 



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Mar 18 01:01:56 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:01:56 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
In-Reply-To: <20050318025904.SXUJ12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3>
Message-ID: <001201c52b88$5f6ddfb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks everyone. We downloaded the Radmin free 30-day trial and it works a
treat with about 2 minutes of setup. Dead impressed. Thanks for your help as
always.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss
> Sent: 18 March 2005 03:05
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> 
> Radmin is $30 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> Hi Andy,
> I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested 
> Radmin which was very good but I had no one recommend it and 
> NetOp had Gustav to recommend it so I based my final decision 
> between the two on that.
> 
> I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to 
> use because of a support contract issue with a vendor (I 
> don't care for it as much but it works. I rank it 3rd over 
> all in my 4 horse race.) 
> 
> I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good 
> time with it. Since its free it's the obvious first choice.
> 
> If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I 
> think I paid $11 or something like that. NetOp is just under 
> $200 for a single Host/Guest License. I forgot the cost of 
> Radmin. They all have trials you can download if you're 
> interested in trying them all out.
> 
> HTH
> John B. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is 
> possible, but I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> 
> Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token 
> ring. I say this because any solution that depends on W2K 
> server or W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from 
> boss's house into the network. We've done some reconfiguring 
> so that everything is accessible via IP (previously some 
> areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login and has 
> access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some 
> apps (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. 
> In conversation I suggest that such apps as these might be 
> better run on a remote control basis so that all we were 
> transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he, but now 
> that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its 
> security, gets access to all parts of the network that he 
> wants, can he instigate a remote control session via the VPN? 
> He doesn't want to instigate another communication from home 
> into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In essence he 
> wants to now run an app that will change him from being a 
> logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC 
> in the office, and then switch back again. God this is 
> probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> 
> And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on 
> W2K server or W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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> 
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Fri Mar 18 03:13:57 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:13:57 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D25EB@ALCUXB>

Dameware is also a good utility. I'm not sure how much the licence costs
though, buit it gives you all the server commands on your desktop - server
manager, user manager, complete remote control over pc's plus registry
access.

We use that and RAdmin at work. I find RAdmin quicker to remote control pc's
with, but Dameware is a much more powerful tool that saves me having to
remember server access passwords.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 18 March 2005 07:02
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control


Thanks everyone. We downloaded the Radmin free 30-day trial and it works a
treat with about 2 minutes of setup. Dead impressed. Thanks for your help as
always.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss
> Sent: 18 March 2005 03:05
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> 
> Radmin is $30 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> Hi Andy,
> I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested 
> Radmin which was very good but I had no one recommend it and 
> NetOp had Gustav to recommend it so I based my final decision 
> between the two on that.
> 
> I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to 
> use because of a support contract issue with a vendor (I 
> don't care for it as much but it works. I rank it 3rd over 
> all in my 4 horse race.) 
> 
> I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good 
> time with it. Since its free it's the obvious first choice.
> 
> If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I 
> think I paid $11 or something like that. NetOp is just under 
> $200 for a single Host/Guest License. I forgot the cost of 
> Radmin. They all have trials you can download if you're 
> interested in trying them all out.
> 
> HTH
> John B. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is 
> possible, but I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> 
> Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token 
> ring. I say this because any solution that depends on W2K 
> server or W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from 
> boss's house into the network. We've done some reconfiguring 
> so that everything is accessible via IP (previously some 
> areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login and has 
> access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some 
> apps (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. 
> In conversation I suggest that such apps as these might be 
> better run on a remote control basis so that all we were 
> transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he, but now 
> that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its 
> security, gets access to all parts of the network that he 
> wants, can he instigate a remote control session via the VPN? 
> He doesn't want to instigate another communication from home 
> into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In essence he 
> wants to now run an app that will change him from being a 
> logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC 
> in the office, and then switch back again. God this is 
> probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> 
> And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on 
> W2K server or W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Mar 18 04:28:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:28:31 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET: The operation could not be completed...
Message-ID: <003201c52ba5$3e6d35f0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

I did get weird message from VS.NET 2003.

<<<
Microsoft Development Environment:: The operation could not be completed
>>>
<<<
Error: The file name entered is not a valid file name.
>>>

Nice and very informative, thanks MS!
Googling didn't give me any clues.
Posting question in MS newsgroups didn't give any results.
Needless to say I was quite desperate and started to prepare myself to big
troubles and time spending of repairing VS.NET...

Fortunately(?) I did get this morning yet another weird message:

<<<
VS.NET 2003::Could not run the ".....vsz" wizard
>>>

And using its words for google search I did get the answer:

http://www.petedavis.net/dotnet_articles/wizardfix.html

Make it bookmarked!
It will save you a lot of time if you ever get similar troubles. I wish
you'd never get them of course....

Shamil
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 18 09:24:14 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:24:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
In-Reply-To: <20050318025904.SXUJ12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jmoss3>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAowMgH21e20OEuo9r/ld6fAEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

James,
I probably should have used the support line more when evaluating Radmin. I
have always had good success with software that www.sunbeltsoftware.com
resells so I don't doubt that it's a great product.

Do you know if that cost cover both sides of the connection? Do you know
about the licensing issues per connection? For instance with NetOp you need
a host and a guest license for one connection. A guest license can access
any number of hosts. However, a host license can only be used on one
computer acting as host. 

I'm always looking for a better deal!


John B. 
BTW NetOp has a US distributer located at www.CrossTechCorp.com
 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

Radmin is $30 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

Hi Andy,
I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which was
very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to recommend it
so I based my final decision between the two on that.

I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use because of
a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much but it
works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.) 

I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with it.
Since its free it's the obvious first choice.

If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid $11 or
something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can download
if you're interested in trying them all out.

HTH
John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control

I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
I've been instructed to find out so here goes...

Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
go.

We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
(notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?

And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
W2003 Server is a no go.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 10:30:01 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <20050318163001.GYRG12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

John,

I pretty sure that it's $30 for both sides of a connection. And what you described as far as licensing sounds similar to licensing from Famatech for Radmin. I could log onto several servers, a production workstation from my desktop at the office, and log on to all of the above from home.

The company that I worked for at the time had a 20 user license and there were only about 8 of us using Radmin. The network manager took care of all licensing, so I'm not really up to speed on the ins and outs of their licensing policy.

Jim

> 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri AM 10:24:14 EST
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> James,
> I probably should have used the support line more when evaluating Radmin. I
> have always had good success with software that www.sunbeltsoftware.com
> resells so I don't doubt that it's a great product.
> 
> Do you know if that cost cover both sides of the connection? Do you know
> about the licensing issues per connection? For instance with NetOp you need
> a host and a guest license for one connection. A guest license can access
> any number of hosts. However, a host license can only be used on one
> computer acting as host. 
> 
> I'm always looking for a better deal!
> 
> 
> John B. 
> BTW NetOp has a US distributer located at www.CrossTechCorp.com
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Moss
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> Radmin is $30 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> Hi Andy,
> I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which was
> very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to recommend it
> so I based my final decision between the two on that.
> 
> I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use because of
> a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much but it
> works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.) 
> 
> I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with it.
> Since its free it's the obvious first choice.
> 
> If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid $11 or
> something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
> License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can download
> if you're interested in trying them all out.
> 
> HTH
> John B. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible, but
> I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> 
> Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I say
> this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server is a no
> go.
> 
> We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house into
> the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is accessible
> via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can login
> and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some apps
> (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In conversation I
> suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote control
> basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok, says he,
> but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its security,
> gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he instigate a
> remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate another
> communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the network. In
> essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
> logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the office,
> and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is it?
> 
> And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K server or
> W2003 Server is a no go.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 10:39:43 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:39:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
Message-ID: <20050318163943.HJCU12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

 Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced, or free pdf extraction tool?

Thanks,

Jim




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Mar 18 09:43:18 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:43:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <20050318164315.0EA6E25F177@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I can confirm that, except its $35 not $30. It looks to be $35 each end
whether they're a host or guest. And if the same machine needs to be both
it's still $35. Bulk licenses only kick in at 100 seats.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Date: 18/03/05 16:30

>
> John,
>
> I pretty sure that it's $30 for both sides of a connection. And what you
described as far as licensing sounds similar to licensing from Famatech for
Radmin. I could log onto several servers, a production workstation from my
desktop at the office, and log on to all of the above from home.
>
> The company that I worked for at the time had a 20 user license and there
were only about 8 of us using Radmin. The network manager took care of all
licensing, so I'm not really up to speed on the ins and outs of their
licensing policy.
>
> Jim
>
> &gt;
> &gt; From: &quot;John Bartow&quot; &lt;john at winhaven.net&gt;
> &gt; Date: 2005/03/18 Fri AM 10:24:14 EST
> &gt; To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
> &gt; 	&lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> &gt;
> &gt; James,
> &gt; I probably should have used the support line more when evaluating
Radmin. I
> &gt; have always had good success with software that
www.sunbeltsoftware.com
> &gt; resells so I don't doubt that it's a great product.
> &gt;
> &gt; Do you know if that cost cover both sides of the connection? Do you
know
> &gt; about the licensing issues per connection? For instance with NetOp
you need
> &gt; a host and a guest license for one connection. A guest license can
access
> &gt; any number of hosts. However, a host license can only be used on one
> &gt; computer acting as host.
> &gt;
> &gt; I'm always looking for a better deal!
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; John B.
> &gt; BTW NetOp has a US distributer located at www.CrossTechCorp.com
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Moss
> &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 PM
> &gt; To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> &gt;
> &gt; Radmin is $30
> &gt;
> &gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Bartow
> &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> &gt; To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> &gt;
> &gt; Hi Andy,
> &gt; I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which
was
> &gt; very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to
recommend it
> &gt; so I based my final decision between the two on that.
> &gt;
> &gt; I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use
because of
> &gt; a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much
but it
> &gt; works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.)
> &gt;
> &gt; I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with
it.
> &gt; Since its free it's the obvious first choice.
> &gt;
> &gt; If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid
$11 or
> &gt; something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
> &gt; License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can
download
> &gt; if you're interested in trying them all out.
> &gt;
> &gt; HTH
> &gt; John B.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Lacey
> &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
> &gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> &gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> &gt;
> &gt; I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible,
but
> &gt; I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> &gt;
> &gt; Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I
say
> &gt; this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server
is a no
> &gt; go.
> &gt;
> &gt; We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house
into
> &gt; the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is
accessible
> &gt; via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can
login
> &gt; and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some
apps
> &gt; (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In
conversation I
> &gt; suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote
control
> &gt; basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok,
says he,
> &gt; but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its
security,
> &gt; gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he
instigate a
> &gt; remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate
another
> &gt; communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the
network. In
> &gt; essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
> &gt; logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the
office,
> &gt; and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is
it?
> &gt;
> &gt; And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K
server or
> &gt; W2003 Server is a no go.
> &gt;
> &gt; --
> &gt; Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;
> &gt;
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 18 10:46:39 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
In-Reply-To: <20050318163001.GYRG12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAQWeQgPXyF0CmiBPi4sRQqAEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Jim,
Thanks,
I'll check out the licensing issues with their support then. 





John,

I pretty sure that it's $30 for both sides of a connection. And what you
described as far as licensing sounds similar to licensing from Famatech for
Radmin. I could log onto several servers, a production workstation from my
desktop at the office, and log on to all of the above from home.

The company that I worked for at the time had a 20 user license and there
were only about 8 of us using Radmin. The network manager took care of all
licensing, so I'm not really up to speed on the ins and outs of their
licensing policy.

Jim



From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 10:50:38 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
Message-ID: <20050318165038.HUMX12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

Guess the price changed since I last looked. Sounds like the licensing has changed too, because I'm pretty sure that it was for both ends. Like I said, I had nothing to do with the administration. I was  impressed with the speed of the product.
> 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri AM 10:43:18 EST
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> 
> I can confirm that, except its $35 not $30. It looks to be $35 each end
> whether they're a host or guest. And if the same machine needs to be both
> it's still $35. Bulk licenses only kick in at 100 seats.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> Date: 18/03/05 16:30
> 
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I pretty sure that it's $30 for both sides of a connection. And what you
> described as far as licensing sounds similar to licensing from Famatech for
> Radmin. I could log onto several servers, a production workstation from my
> desktop at the office, and log on to all of the above from home.
> >
> > The company that I worked for at the time had a 20 user license and there
> were only about 8 of us using Radmin. The network manager took care of all
> licensing, so I'm not really up to speed on the ins and outs of their
> licensing policy.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > &gt;
> > &gt; From: &quot;John Bartow&quot; &lt;john at winhaven.net&gt;
> > &gt; Date: 2005/03/18 Fri AM 10:24:14 EST
> > &gt; To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
> > &gt; 	&lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> > &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > &gt;
> > &gt; James,
> > &gt; I probably should have used the support line more when evaluating
> Radmin. I
> > &gt; have always had good success with software that
> www.sunbeltsoftware.com
> > &gt; resells so I don't doubt that it's a great product.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Do you know if that cost cover both sides of the connection? Do you
> know
> > &gt; about the licensing issues per connection? For instance with NetOp
> you need
> > &gt; a host and a guest license for one connection. A guest license can
> access
> > &gt; any number of hosts. However, a host license can only be used on one
> > &gt; computer acting as host.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I'm always looking for a better deal!
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; John B.
> > &gt; BTW NetOp has a US distributer located at www.CrossTechCorp.com
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; -----Original Message-----
> > &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
> Moss
> > &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 PM
> > &gt; To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Radmin is $30
> > &gt;
> > &gt; -----Original Message-----
> > &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> > &gt; To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > &gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Hi Andy,
> > &gt; I'm using NetOp and am very happy with it. I also tested Radmin which
> was
> > &gt; very good but I had no one recommend it and NetOp had Gustav to
> recommend it
> > &gt; so I based my final decision between the two on that.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I've have used PC Anywhere and have one customer that has to use
> because of
> > &gt; a support contract issue with a vendor (I don't care for it as much
> but it
> > &gt; works. I rank it 3rd over all in my 4 horse race.)
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I've tried out XP's remote user and just haven't had a good time with
> it.
> > &gt; Since its free it's the obvious first choice.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; If check out eBay you can get PC Anywhere for a steal. I think I paid
> $11 or
> > &gt; something like that. NetOp is just under $200 for a single Host/Guest
> > &gt; License. I forgot the cost of Radmin. They all have trials you can
> download
> > &gt; if you're interested in trying them all out.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; HTH
> > &gt; John B.
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; -----Original Message-----
> > &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy
> Lacey
> > &gt; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 AM
> > &gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > &gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN/Remote Control
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I have to say at the outset of this that I doubt if this is possible,
> but
> > &gt; I've been instructed to find out so here goes...
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Customer has two servers - NT Server 4 and Netware 5 on token ring. I
> say
> > &gt; this because any solution that depends on W2K server or W2003 Server
> is a no
> > &gt; go.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; We've just created a VPN tunnel for the first time from boss's house
> into
> > &gt; the network. We've done some reconfiguring so that everything is
> accessible
> > &gt; via IP (previously some areas were IPX only). All fine and dandy. Can
> login
> > &gt; and has access to everything. However, unsurprisingly really, some
> apps
> > &gt; (notably my major Access app) are slow through the VPN. In
> conversation I
> > &gt; suggest that such apps as these might be better run on a remote
> control
> > &gt; basis so that all we were transmitting was the screen/keyboard. Ok,
> says he,
> > &gt; but now that he's got the tunnel configured, is happy with its
> security,
> > &gt; gets access to all parts of the network that he wants, can he
> instigate a
> > &gt; remote control session via the VPN? He doesn't want to instigate
> another
> > &gt; communication from home into his desktop. He's logged into the
> network. In
> > &gt; essence he wants to now run an app that will change him from being a
> > &gt; logged-on user at home to being in remote control of his PC in the
> office,
> > &gt; and then switch back again. God this is probably mumbo jumbo. Or is
> it?
> > &gt;
> > &gt; And please - don't forget that any solution that depends on W2K
> server or
> > &gt; W2003 Server is a no go.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; --
> > &gt; Andy Lacey
> > &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; ________________________________________________
> > &gt; Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 18 11:42:49 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:42:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
References: <20050318163943.HJCU12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <423B1319.50101@shaw.ca>

Do you mean text extraction or image extraction, and then it depends if 
text has been rendered by OCR software.
I believe Acrobat 7 holds a internal xml file of searchable text if the 
underlying image has been OCRed.
You could use this PDF Converter Professional   from ScanSoft $99
Converts PDF to Word or text files(I think not sure there was a sendto 
command) or visversa
 http://www.scansoft.com/pdfconverter/professional/

If you just want to index and  search non OCR'ed PDF files on a disk  ie 
a fax scanned into a PDF you could use this new Beta
The ScanSoft OmniPage Search Indexer enables you to search text found in 
image files using world-leading optical character recognition (OCR) 
technology. For example, it enables you to search the text found in 
electronic fax documents that you may receive via email, as well as 
other image formats including PDF, TIF, JPG, BMP, and Paperport.
http://desktop.google.com/plugins/omnipagesearch.html

It requires installation of this 3 month beta  from ScanSoft plus Google 
Destop Search Engine
This requires a fair amount of disk space and memory to do the indexing 
if you plan to index a couple of thousand image PDF's
plan on running it overnight.

jmoss111 at bellsouth.net wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced, or free pdf extraction tool?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim
>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 12:01:27 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:01:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
Message-ID: <20050318180127.KGRA12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

Thanks Marty.  I want to extract columnar text from pdf's created by the invoicing module in QuickBooks Pro 2004. I would imagine that the pdf's are probably somewhere between v3 and v6, whichever engine Intuit uses to send invoices by email. I'm only talking about twenty 25 page pdf files.

I will look into the ScanSoft product. Once again, Thanks.

Jim


> 
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 12:42:49 EST
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
> 
> Do you mean text extraction or image extraction, and then it depends if 
> text has been rendered by OCR software.
> I believe Acrobat 7 holds a internal xml file of searchable text if the 
> underlying image has been OCRed.
> You could use this PDF Converter Professional   from ScanSoft $99
> Converts PDF to Word or text files(I think not sure there was a sendto 
> command) or visversa
>  http://www.scansoft.com/pdfconverter/professional/
> 
> If you just want to index and  search non OCR'ed PDF files on a disk  ie 
> a fax scanned into a PDF you could use this new Beta
> The ScanSoft OmniPage Search Indexer enables you to search text found in 
> image files using world-leading optical character recognition (OCR) 
> technology. For example, it enables you to search the text found in 
> electronic fax documents that you may receive via email, as well as 
> other image formats including PDF, TIF, JPG, BMP, and Paperport.
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins/omnipagesearch.html
> 
> It requires installation of this 3 month beta  from ScanSoft plus Google 
> Destop Search Engine
> This requires a fair amount of disk space and memory to do the indexing 
> if you plan to index a couple of thousand image PDF's
> plan on running it overnight.
> 
> jmoss111 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced, or free pdf extraction tool?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
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From James at fcidms.com  Fri Mar 18 13:42:44 2005
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:42:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20050318180127.KGRA12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <0IDK006Y2C31SD@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Jim:

If you only need to do this once, there is a Select Text tool in Acrobat
Reader 6.0 that will allow you to highlight and copy text, including columns
within a document, and then paste it into Excel, Word or any other windows
program. It's a manual process but it does work. Clearly if you need to do
this on an ongoing basis, it's not the best solution, but it is free.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jmoss111 at bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:01 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation

Thanks Marty.  I want to extract columnar text from pdf's created by the
invoicing module in QuickBooks Pro 2004. I would imagine that the pdf's are
probably somewhere between v3 and v6, whichever engine Intuit uses to send
invoices by email. I'm only talking about twenty 25 page pdf files.

I will look into the ScanSoft product. Once again, Thanks.

Jim


> 
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 12:42:49 EST
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
> 
> Do you mean text extraction or image extraction, and then it depends if 
> text has been rendered by OCR software.
> I believe Acrobat 7 holds a internal xml file of searchable text if the 
> underlying image has been OCRed.
> You could use this PDF Converter Professional   from ScanSoft $99
> Converts PDF to Word or text files(I think not sure there was a sendto 
> command) or visversa
>  http://www.scansoft.com/pdfconverter/professional/
> 
> If you just want to index and  search non OCR'ed PDF files on a disk  ie 
> a fax scanned into a PDF you could use this new Beta
> The ScanSoft OmniPage Search Indexer enables you to search text found in 
> image files using world-leading optical character recognition (OCR) 
> technology. For example, it enables you to search the text found in 
> electronic fax documents that you may receive via email, as well as 
> other image formats including PDF, TIF, JPG, BMP, and Paperport.
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins/omnipagesearch.html
> 
> It requires installation of this 3 month beta  from ScanSoft plus Google 
> Destop Search Engine
> This requires a fair amount of disk space and memory to do the indexing 
> if you plan to index a couple of thousand image PDF's
> plan on running it overnight.
> 
> jmoss111 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced, or free pdf extraction tool?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 13:54:17 2005
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:54:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
Message-ID: <20050318195417.NMUF12676.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

Thanks James, but that sounds like too much manual labor for what I have to do. I will most likely go ahead and purchase something because I end up extracting columnar data from pdfs a couple of times a year.

The last time I had to extract from pdf, I had a 30 day demo of a very nice tool that let you define your columnar data by drawing around the columns and saving that as a model, kind of like Monarch. The problem was the price.... $249.00.  If extracting columns from pdf files was something I did on a daily basis, it wouldn't be a problem. Oh well, no bucks No Buck Rogers.

> 
> From: James Barash <James at fcidms.com>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 02:42:44 EST
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
> 
> Jim:
> 
> If you only need to do this once, there is a Select Text tool in Acrobat
> Reader 6.0 that will allow you to highlight and copy text, including columns
> within a document, and then paste it into Excel, Word or any other windows
> program. It's a manual process but it does work. Clearly if you need to do
> this on an ongoing basis, it's not the best solution, but it is free.
> 
> James Barash
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> jmoss111 at bellsouth.net
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:01 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
> 
> Thanks Marty.  I want to extract columnar text from pdf's created by the
> invoicing module in QuickBooks Pro 2004. I would imagine that the pdf's are
> probably somewhere between v3 and v6, whichever engine Intuit uses to send
> invoices by email. I'm only talking about twenty 25 page pdf files.
> 
> I will look into the ScanSoft product. Once again, Thanks.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> > 
> > From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> > Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 12:42:49 EST
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PDF data extractor recommendation
> > 
> > Do you mean text extraction or image extraction, and then it depends if 
> > text has been rendered by OCR software.
> > I believe Acrobat 7 holds a internal xml file of searchable text if the 
> > underlying image has been OCRed.
> > You could use this PDF Converter Professional   from ScanSoft $99
> > Converts PDF to Word or text files(I think not sure there was a sendto 
> > command) or visversa
> >  http://www.scansoft.com/pdfconverter/professional/
> > 
> > If you just want to index and  search non OCR'ed PDF files on a disk  ie 
> > a fax scanned into a PDF you could use this new Beta
> > The ScanSoft OmniPage Search Indexer enables you to search text found in 
> > image files using world-leading optical character recognition (OCR) 
> > technology. For example, it enables you to search the text found in 
> > electronic fax documents that you may receive via email, as well as 
> > other image formats including PDF, TIF, JPG, BMP, and Paperport.
> > http://desktop.google.com/plugins/omnipagesearch.html
> > 
> > It requires installation of this 3 month beta  from ScanSoft plus Google 
> > Destop Search Engine
> > This requires a fair amount of disk space and memory to do the indexing 
> > if you plan to index a couple of thousand image PDF's
> > plan on running it overnight.
> > 
> > jmoss111 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> > 
> > > Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced, or free pdf extraction tool?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >dba-Tech mailing list
> > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Mar 20 11:30:58 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:30:58 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
Message-ID: <007801c52d72$944eefd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dell, which is always looking out for my best interests, invited me to buy a cheap computer.  It would only have been polite to accept.  So it's on the way.

But there's a couple of specs I don't understand - maybe someone could enlighten me:

1) 3GHz P4 with HT Technology (800 FSB)  - what's HT technology?  What are FSBs and why do I need 800 of them?

2) 1/2 gig memory dual channel - dual's got to be better than single, yes?  400 MHz DDR SDRAM.  I've looked into memory specs and decided to learn dead languages instead because it's easier.  Explaining this may be beyond the scope of an email.  'It's good - You don't really need to know more' is a legitimate answer

Anyway with a 48x CD/RW, 24 bit SB sound card, keyboard, mouse, no monitor and a bunch of software which you never use it was $408 plus tax - free shipping.  I have been promising the boys to replace their old 192MB Celeron processor, so I have a flimsy rationalization.

How could I refuse?

TIA

Rocky


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Mar 20 11:45:41 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:45:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
In-Reply-To: <007801c52d72$944eefd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000801c52d74$a6c7dee0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

HT - Hyper threading - The ability to "simultaneously" have tow threads
running at the "same time".  As programs run, things happen to cause them to
stall processing waiting on something. HT really does "fill in the gaps" by
switching back and forth between two different programs or threads.  It does
work and creates the appearance of 10-25% faster processing in many
situations.

FSB - Front side bus - the interface between the computer and the memory and
peripherals.  800 (megahertz).

Memory - technical stuff - "it's good"

Good price.  They must be clearing them out.  You didn't mention the video
specs. 1024 x 768 (at least)?  Most likely an integrated (and not overly
speedy graphics processor sharing part of the main memory with the computer.
For that price that's OK, it just won't support the monster games.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:31 PM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself


Dell, which is always looking out for my best interests, invited me to buy a
cheap computer.  It would only have been polite to accept.  So it's on the
way.

But there's a couple of specs I don't understand - maybe someone could
enlighten me:

1) 3GHz P4 with HT Technology (800 FSB)  - what's HT technology?  What are
FSBs and why do I need 800 of them?

2) 1/2 gig memory dual channel - dual's got to be better than single, yes?
400 MHz DDR SDRAM.  I've looked into memory specs and decided to learn dead
languages instead because it's easier.  Explaining this may be beyond the
scope of an email.  'It's good - You don't really need to know more' is a
legitimate answer

Anyway with a 48x CD/RW, 24 bit SB sound card, keyboard, mouse, no monitor
and a bunch of software which you never use it was $408 plus tax - free
shipping.  I have been promising the boys to replace their old 192MB Celeron
processor, so I have a flimsy rationalization.

How could I refuse?

TIA

Rocky
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Mar 20 12:03:43 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:03:43 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
References: <000801c52d74$a6c7dee0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <009301c52d77$27b775e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

JC:

So HT sounds like it was worth the extra $12 or whatever they wanted.

Video card - Intel Extreme IV Graphics 2 - don't know what that means.  Do 
you know what it is?

I don't play the games so that's not a big deal.  The only game I ever liked 
was Doom and it won't play on WXP.  Didn't like Doom III at all.  So that's 
that.

Neither of the boys are big gamers either - thank goodness for that.  A 
little PS2 and they're done.

Yeah, they're probably emptying the pipeline.  I love obsolete equipment. 
Gotta love those close-outs.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself


> HT - Hyper threading - The ability to "simultaneously" have tow threads
> running at the "same time".  As programs run, things happen to cause them 
> to
> stall processing waiting on something. HT really does "fill in the gaps" 
> by
> switching back and forth between two different programs or threads.  It 
> does
> work and creates the appearance of 10-25% faster processing in many
> situations.
>
> FSB - Front side bus - the interface between the computer and the memory 
> and
> peripherals.  800 (megahertz).
>
> Memory - technical stuff - "it's good"
>
> Good price.  They must be clearing them out.  You didn't mention the video
> specs. 1024 x 768 (at least)?  Most likely an integrated (and not overly
> speedy graphics processor sharing part of the main memory with the 
> computer.
> For that price that's OK, it just won't support the monster games.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:31 PM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
>
>
> Dell, which is always looking out for my best interests, invited me to buy 
> a
> cheap computer.  It would only have been polite to accept.  So it's on the
> way.
>
> But there's a couple of specs I don't understand - maybe someone could
> enlighten me:
>
> 1) 3GHz P4 with HT Technology (800 FSB)  - what's HT technology?  What are
> FSBs and why do I need 800 of them?
>
> 2) 1/2 gig memory dual channel - dual's got to be better than single, yes?
> 400 MHz DDR SDRAM.  I've looked into memory specs and decided to learn 
> dead
> languages instead because it's easier.  Explaining this may be beyond the
> scope of an email.  'It's good - You don't really need to know more' is a
> legitimate answer
>
> Anyway with a 48x CD/RW, 24 bit SB sound card, keyboard, mouse, no monitor
> and a bunch of software which you never use it was $408 plus tax - free
> shipping.  I have been promising the boys to replace their old 192MB 
> Celeron
> processor, so I have a flimsy rationalization.
>
> How could I refuse?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Mar 20 16:03:24 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:03:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] InfoPath?
Message-ID: <000001c52d98$a3c9d6c0$123a11d8@danwaters>

What is InfoPath and why would anyone use it?  

 

Dan Waters

ProMation <http://www.promationsystems.com/>  Systems, Inc.

 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 20 17:02:46 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:02:46 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] InfoPath?
In-Reply-To: <000001c52d98$a3c9d6c0$123a11d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <423E8DB6.19491.28C66A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 20 Mar 2005 at 16:03, Dan Waters wrote:

> What is InfoPath 
> 

An application for designing XML forms and for  gathering  information by 
filling them out.

> and why would anyone use it?  

' cos it's  "next great thing (TM)" from Microsoft?

To quote MS
"You can use InfoPath forms to efficiently collect data from other people 
in your team or organization. After collecting the data you need, you can 
reuse it elsewhere, perhaps by integrating it into an existing business 
process or by using it in another software program. For example, the staff 
at a hospital registration desk might use an InfoPath form to collect data 
from incoming patients. That data can then be routed directly from the form 
to other places in the hospital and reused by doctors, nurses, and 
pharmacists."

See http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011227941033.aspx








-- 
Stuart




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar 21 04:41:28 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:41:28 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote control - correction
Message-ID: <20050321114126.43AE92538B1@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I gave some bad info re RAdmin last week. I stated it cost $35 per machine.
In fact I was wrong and Jim (I think it was) was right. The $35 covers two
machines, i.e. host and guest. Great value IMO.

--
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 07:45:37 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:45:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
In-Reply-To: <009301c52d77$27b775e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <000801c52d74$a6c7dee0$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<009301c52d77$27b775e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950503210545676d909c@mail.gmail.com>

Four Hundred bucks delivered. Outstanding. I need to stop messing
around with some of the old junk I have at home. Although I still
could play Doom on a couple of my old relics I suppose.  I played the
original Doom to nearly the point of carpal tunnel at one point.


On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:03:43 -0800, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> JC:
> 
> So HT sounds like it was worth the extra $12 or whatever they wanted.
> 
> Video card - Intel Extreme IV Graphics 2 - don't know what that means.  Do
> you know what it is?
> 
> I don't play the games so that's not a big deal.  The only game I ever liked
> was Doom and it won't play on WXP.  Didn't like Doom III at all.  So that's
> that.
> 
> Neither of the boys are big gamers either - thank goodness for that.  A
> little PS2 and they're done.
> 
> Yeah, they're probably emptying the pipeline.  I love obsolete equipment.
> Gotta love those close-outs.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
> 
> > HT - Hyper threading - The ability to "simultaneously" have tow threads
> > running at the "same time".  As programs run, things happen to cause them
> > to
> > stall processing waiting on something. HT really does "fill in the gaps"
> > by
> > switching back and forth between two different programs or threads.  It
> > does
> > work and creates the appearance of 10-25% faster processing in many
> > situations.
> >
> > FSB - Front side bus - the interface between the computer and the memory
> > and
> > peripherals.  800 (megahertz).
> >
> > Memory - technical stuff - "it's good"
> >
> > Good price.  They must be clearing them out.  You didn't mention the video
> > specs. 1024 x 768 (at least)?  Most likely an integrated (and not overly
> > speedy graphics processor sharing part of the main memory with the
> > computer.
> > For that price that's OK, it just won't support the monster games.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:31 PM
> > To: dba-tech
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
> >
> >
> > Dell, which is always looking out for my best interests, invited me to buy
> > a
> > cheap computer.  It would only have been polite to accept.  So it's on the
> > way.
> >
> > But there's a couple of specs I don't understand - maybe someone could
> > enlighten me:
> >
> > 1) 3GHz P4 with HT Technology (800 FSB)  - what's HT technology?  What are
> > FSBs and why do I need 800 of them?
> >
> > 2) 1/2 gig memory dual channel - dual's got to be better than single, yes?
> > 400 MHz DDR SDRAM.  I've looked into memory specs and decided to learn
> > dead
> > languages instead because it's easier.  Explaining this may be beyond the
> > scope of an email.  'It's good - You don't really need to know more' is a
> > legitimate answer
> >
> > Anyway with a 48x CD/RW, 24 bit SB sound card, keyboard, mouse, no monitor
> > and a bunch of software which you never use it was $408 plus tax - free
> > shipping.  I have been promising the boys to replace their old 192MB
> > Celeron
> > processor, so I have a flimsy rationalization.
> >
> > How could I refuse?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar 21 07:56:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:56:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950503210545676d909c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009301c52d77$27b775e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <423F5F11.16545.1D9B0B5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 21 Mar 2005 at 7:45, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Four Hundred bucks delivered. Outstanding. I need to stop messing
> around with some of the old junk I have at home. Although I still
> could play Doom on a couple of my old relics I suppose.  I played the
> original Doom to nearly the point of carpal tunnel at one point.
> 

Here in PNG, I could buy the same spec machine, built with AOpen etc parts 
by one of our local suppliers - and it would only cost me three times as 
much  -(


-- 
Stuart




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Mar 21 08:35:04 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:35:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] InfoPath?
In-Reply-To: <31082509.1111360141823.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c52e23$2c4c5420$123a11d8@danwaters>

Has anyone had some experience with InfoPath?  I read through the MS
'information', and it simply sounds like an alternate to a shared database
that doesn't do as much.

Dan Waters
ProMation Systems, Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] InfoPath?

On 20 Mar 2005 at 16:03, Dan Waters wrote:

> What is InfoPath 
> 

An application for designing XML forms and for  gathering  information by 
filling them out.

> and why would anyone use it?  

' cos it's  "next great thing (TM)" from Microsoft?

To quote MS
"You can use InfoPath forms to efficiently collect data from other people 
in your team or organization. After collecting the data you need, you can 
reuse it elsewhere, perhaps by integrating it into an existing business 
process or by using it in another software program. For example, the staff 
at a hospital registration desk might use an InfoPath form to collect data 
from incoming patients. That data can then be routed directly from the form 
to other places in the hospital and reused by doctors, nurses, and 
pharmacists."

See http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011227941033.aspx








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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Mar 21 09:31:47 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:31:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself
References: <009301c52d77$27b775e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<423F5F11.16545.1D9B0B5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00bc01c52e2b$1889c280$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Stuart:

And one of the real charms of the deal is that I didn't have to leave my 
chair to configure and order the box and in a couple of days THEY'RE GOING 
TO BRING IT TO MY FRONT DOOR!

And with gas prices in San Diego the second highest in the country, driving 
around is getting to be a factor.

However, they may want to charge you shipping which could erase some of the 
savings.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I couldn't help myself


> On 21 Mar 2005 at 7:45, Gary Kjos wrote:
>
>> Four Hundred bucks delivered. Outstanding. I need to stop messing
>> around with some of the old junk I have at home. Although I still
>> could play Doom on a couple of my old relics I suppose.  I played the
>> original Doom to nearly the point of carpal tunnel at one point.
>>
>
> Here in PNG, I could buy the same spec machine, built with AOpen etc parts
> by one of our local suppliers - and it would only cost me three times as
> much  -(
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 10:10:14 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:10:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netsh
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050321081073a88ee1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

Not a problem anymore, but I spent a considerable amount of time over
the weekend trying to get a client's home PC (Windows XP Home)
re-connected to the Internet. After hours of searching and trying
things, I found the netsh command:

netsh winsock reset

Apparently, the Winsock thingummy on this PC got knocked for a loop
when Microsoft Anti-Spyware eradicated Market Score. The user couldn't
get e-mail nor could he connect to any web sites. Ping worked,
however, and I could communicate with other PCs on a LAN.

Anyway, I thought I'd pass this along for anyone who might be having
similar troubles. I've never recovered an Internet connection this way
before. It certainly isn't easy to find.

-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar 21 09:28:42 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <20050321162839.3CC692516A4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Afternoon folks

Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk to
backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it and backup
my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it but then read some
horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various problems
agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I thought
I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - yes
folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest to
setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have would
be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
do it.

Any thoughts?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything in the
archives.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 10:54:58 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:54:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <20050321162839.3CC692516A4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20050321162839.3CC692516A4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <aea6c495050321085427f0b0f7@mail.gmail.com>

I go low tech for backups. Here's my backup software...

cd \
xcopy c:\*.* R: /s /d /c /y

That is in a batch file called BackuptUSB.BAT that I have a shortcut
to on the desktop. I use it both at home and at work.

It copies any changed files to the external drive. Only issue I have
had with it is that my external drive letter has gotten changed a few
times over the years and I have had to redo the batch file.


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:42 +0100, Andy Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Afternoon folks
> 
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk to
> backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it and backup
> my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it but then read some
> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various problems
> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I thought
> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - yes
> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest to
> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have would
> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
> do it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything in the
> archives.
> 
> ________________________________________________
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> 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 21 12:05:47 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:05:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B3124A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90C@ADGSERVER>

Andy,

I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  They both do about
the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of generations of
backups and will then automatically delete the older generations as that
limit is met.

What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make
incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I have it keep 2
generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full backup
of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the difference is that
every other week, I back that backup off to DVD.  For the Wednesday backups,
I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" drive, I have Ghost
back it up once a month to another HD with incremental backups twice a week.
This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I back off this
drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).

Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  This allows you to
keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with another
folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep a daily backup
of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the beginning of the next
week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I have 4-5 jobs
running under this: source code, wife's business docs, family docs, email,
etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 days worth of
data for these particular documents.

As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for about 4
months now.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


Afternoon folks

Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk to
backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it and backup
my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it but then read some
horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various problems
agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I thought
I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - yes
folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest to
setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have would
be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
do it.

Any thoughts?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything in the
archives.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Mar 21 12:19:18 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:19:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90C@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <025101c52e42$7f4c6740$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bobby:

Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or just the size of 
the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB disk will the 
ghost image be 20 or 40MB?

T&R

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> Andy,
>
> I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  They both do 
> about
> the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of generations 
> of
> backups and will then automatically delete the older generations as that
> limit is met.
>
> What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make
> incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I have it keep 2
> generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full backup
> of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the difference is 
> that
> every other week, I back that backup off to DVD.  For the Wednesday 
> backups,
> I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" drive, I have 
> Ghost
> back it up once a month to another HD with incremental backups twice a 
> week.
> This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I back off this
> drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
>
> Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  This allows you 
> to
> keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with 
> another
> folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep a daily backup
> of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the beginning of the next
> week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I have 4-5 jobs
> running under this: source code, wife's business docs, family docs, email,
> etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 days worth of
> data for these particular documents.
>
> As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for about 4
> months now.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
> Afternoon folks
>
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk to
> backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it and 
> backup
> my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it but then read 
> some
> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> problems
> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> thought
> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - 
> yes
> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest 
> to
> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have 
> would
> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
> do it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything in 
> the
> archives.
>
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Mon Mar 21 12:26:10 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:26:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
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Message-ID: <020101c52e43$74dd64c0$0800a8c0@s856>

Andy,
I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0
well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec ate 
Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy to use, you can 
schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive taht has windows 
from within windows
just right for me.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> Afternoon folks
>
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk to
> backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it and 
> backup
> my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it but then read 
> some
> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> problems
> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> thought
> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - 
> yes
> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest 
> to
> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have 
> would
> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
> do it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything in 
> the
> archives.
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 21 12:29:47 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:29:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B3128A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90D@ADGSERVER>

Rocky,

It does not image the unused space.  It allows you to have several (or none)
levels of compression.

My C drive currently takes up about 9GB out of a 35GB partition.  My last
manual back up took about 5.7GB of disk space.

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:19 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


Bobby:

Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or just the size of 
the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB disk will the 
ghost image be 20 or 40MB?

T&R

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> Andy,
>
> I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  They both do
> about
> the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of generations 
> of
> backups and will then automatically delete the older generations as that
> limit is met.
>
> What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make 
> incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I have it keep 2 
> generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full 
> backup of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the 
> difference is that every other week, I back that backup off to DVD.  
> For the Wednesday backups,
> I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" drive, I have 
> Ghost
> back it up once a month to another HD with incremental backups twice a 
> week.
> This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I back off this
> drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
>
> Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  This allows 
> you
> to
> keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with 
> another
> folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep a daily backup
> of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the beginning of the next
> week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I have 4-5 jobs
> running under this: source code, wife's business docs, family docs, email,
> etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 days worth of
> data for these particular documents.
>
> As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for 
> about 4 months now.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
> Afternoon folks
>
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk 
> to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it 
> and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it 
> but then read some
> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> problems
> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> thought
> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know - 
> yes
> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest 
> to
> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have 
> would
> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
> do it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything 
> in
> the
> archives.
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Mar 21 12:51:51 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:51:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <025f01c52e47$0b4febf0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Cool.  I just got an 80GB external HD but it's USB and my current computer 
has USB1.0 which makes it slower than a stuck pig to write gigabytes to.

The new box from Dell just arrived and I'm thinking it will have USB 2.0. 
So hopefully that will make fast enough to use as an archive drive.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> Rocky,
>
> It does not image the unused space.  It allows you to have several (or 
> none)
> levels of compression.
>
> My C drive currently takes up about 9GB out of a 35GB partition.  My last
> manual back up took about 5.7GB of disk space.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
> Bobby:
>
> Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or just the size of
> the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB disk will the
> ghost image be 20 or 40MB?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  They both do
>> about
>> the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of generations
>> of
>> backups and will then automatically delete the older generations as that
>> limit is met.
>>
>> What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make
>> incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I have it keep 2
>> generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full
>> backup of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the
>> difference is that every other week, I back that backup off to DVD.
>> For the Wednesday backups,
>> I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" drive, I have
>> Ghost
>> back it up once a month to another HD with incremental backups twice a
>> week.
>> This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I back off this
>> drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
>>
>> Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  This allows
>> you
>> to
>> keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with
>> another
>> folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep a daily 
>> backup
>> of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the beginning of the 
>> next
>> week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I have 4-5 jobs
>> running under this: source code, wife's business docs, family docs, 
>> email,
>> etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 days worth of
>> data for these particular documents.
>>
>> As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for
>> about 4 months now.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> Afternoon folks
>>
>> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk
>> to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it
>> and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it
>> but then read some
>> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various
>> problems
>> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I
>> thought
>> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I know -
>> yes
>> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest
>> to
>> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have
>> would
>> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows 
>> to
>> do it.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything
>> in
>> the
>> archives.
>>
>> ________________________________________________
>> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 21 13:20:34 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:20:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google API's
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90D@ADGSERVER>
	<025f01c52e47$0b4febf0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <423F1E82.8090508@shaw.ca>

I have been footling around with some of Google's api's.
I have been trying to search text inside PDF's on desktop or network share

Below is some VBA code to call Google Web Search api's from Office 2003 VBA
if you want to play around with them.

You have to create web service classes first though.
 I have done this for older VBA by creating Soap calls against wsdl file
using Simon Fell's PocketSoap libraries. Since there are problems with MS
Soap libraries and complex soap types creating classes on lower versions 
of Access.

What I still want to get at is the Google Desktop Search Engine api's
and then use ScanSoft's Google plugin to text search, non OCR scanned
pdf's that contain invoices or faxes.

Once the desktop Search Engine is installed, "well now there is a 12 hour
run", you can easily query pdf's even without the api, by a call to IE 
or code
msxml2.httprequest to a url like so that will return xml

'http://127.0.0.1:4664/search&s=1ftR7c_hVZKYvuYS-RWnFHk91Z0?
q=Google+myoddtext&format=xml

see for search terms on desktop search engine
http://desktop.google.com/developerguide.html#requesting

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
' Call Google Web Search API's
'get license key via email and wsdl from here first
'      http://www.google.com/apis/api_faq.html
'wsdl at http://api.google.com/GoogleSearch.wsdl
'to auto create web service classes from wsdl and set required references
'open VBA module Tools-->Web Services Reference
'enter web service url pointing to wsdl click search
' in tree that appears check top level box to select all methods
' You can test but wont work without key being passed and it uses a get 
rather than post
' then select ADD to create classes for all methods selected.
' to use the Google Desktop Search engine after install you could use just
msxml2.httprequest method
' or I think you can enter below url in IE
'http://127.0.0.1:4664/search&s=1ftR7c_hVZKYvuYS-RWnFHk91Z0?
q=Google+searchstringtext&format=xml
'see http://desktop.google.com/developerguide.html#requesting

Const cLicensekey As String = "xxxxXXXXXxxXX" '<--your license key here

Sub testgoogle()
'typical google search string
'Debug.Print GoogleSearch("array variable vba site:www.microsoft.com")
Debug.Print GoogleSearch("google webapi")
End Sub
Function GoogleSearch(strSearch As String) As String
    Dim clsGoogle As clsws_GoogleSearchService
    Dim r As struct_GoogleSearchResult
    Dim re As struct_ResultElement
    Dim i As Long
    Dim s As String
    Set clsGoogle = New clsws_GoogleSearchService
    ' it may return more results but only 10 at a time
    ' so change next call in a loop 0,10, to 10,20 etc. see api site for
params
    Set r = clsGoogle.wsm_doGoogleSearch(cLicensekey, strSearch, 0, 10,
False, "", False, "", "", "")
    Debug.Print "count search results ="; r.estimatedTotalResultsCount
    For i = 0 To UBound(r.resultElements)
        Set re = r.resultElements(i)
        With re
            s = s & UCase(.title) & vbCrLf
            s = s & .snippet & vbCrLf
            s = s & .URL & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
        End With
    Next
    GoogleSearch = s
End Function

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

> Cool.  I just got an 80GB external HD but it's USB and my current 
> computer has USB1.0 which makes it slower than a stuck pig to write 
> gigabytes to.
>
> The new box from Dell just arrived and I'm thinking it will have USB 
> 2.0. So hopefully that will make fast enough to use as an archive drive.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It does not image the unused space.  It allows you to have several 
>> (or none)
>> levels of compression.
>>
>> My C drive currently takes up about 9GB out of a 35GB partition.  My 
>> last
>> manual back up took about 5.7GB of disk space.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin -
>> Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:19 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> Bobby:
>>
>> Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or just the 
>> size of
>> the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB disk will 
>> the
>> ghost image be 20 or 40MB?
>>
>> T&R
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  They both do
>>> about
>>> the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of 
>>> generations
>>> of
>>> backups and will then automatically delete the older generations as 
>>> that
>>> limit is met.
>>>
>>> What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make
>>> incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I have it keep 2
>>> generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full
>>> backup of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the
>>> difference is that every other week, I back that backup off to DVD.
>>> For the Wednesday backups,
>>> I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" drive, I have
>>> Ghost
>>> back it up once a month to another HD with incremental backups twice a
>>> week.
>>> This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I back off this
>>> drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
>>>
>>> Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  This allows
>>> you
>>> to
>>> keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with
>>> another
>>> folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep a daily 
>>> backup
>>> of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the beginning of 
>>> the next
>>> week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I have 4-5 jobs
>>> running under this: source code, wife's business docs, family docs, 
>>> email,
>>> etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 days 
>>> worth of
>>> data for these particular documents.
>>>
>>> As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for
>>> about 4 months now.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>>
>>>
>>> Afternoon folks
>>>
>>> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk
>>> to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it
>>> and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it
>>> but then read some
>>> horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various
>>> problems
>>> agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I
>>> thought
>>> I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of people I 
>>> know -
>>> yes
>>> folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most reliable, 
>>> easiest
>>> to
>>> setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have
>>> would
>>> be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of 
>>> Windows to
>>> do it.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andy Lacey
>>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>>
>>> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything
>>> in
>>> the
>>> archives.
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________
>>> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
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-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar 21 13:48:15 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:48:15 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <020101c52e43$74dd64c0$0800a8c0@s856>
Message-ID: <000001c52e4e$ec695520$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now been
dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one from ebay
but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps I
wouldn't need it????

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lembit Soobik
> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Andy,
> I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0 
> well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec ate 
> Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy 
> to use, you can 
> schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive 
> taht has windows 
> from within windows
> just right for me.
> 
> Lembit
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> > Afternoon folks
> >
> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using 
> Disk2Disk 
> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 
> caddy for it 
> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 
> to do it 
> > but then read some
> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> > problems
> > agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> > thought
> > I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of 
> people I know - 
> > yes
> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most 
> reliable, easiest 
> > to
> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One 
> requirement I'd have 
> > would
> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come 
> out of Windows to
> > do it.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find 
> anything 
> > in
> > the
> > archives.
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar 21 13:48:15 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:48:15 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <000101c52e4e$ec9a2920$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

And when you say you back that to DVD, what's the capacity of a DVD?

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:30
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> It does not image the unused space.  It allows you to have 
> several (or none) levels of compression.
> 
> My C drive currently takes up about 9GB out of a 35GB 
> partition.  My last manual back up took about 5.7GB of disk space.
> 
> Bobby 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Bobby:
> 
> Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or 
> just the size of 
> the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB 
> disk will the 
> ghost image be 20 or 40MB?
> 
> T&R
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> > Andy,
> >
> > I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.  
> They both do 
> > about the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of 
> > generations of
> > backups and will then automatically delete the older 
> generations as that
> > limit is met.
> >
> > What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make
> > incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I 
> have it keep 2 
> > generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full 
> > backup of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the 
> > difference is that every other week, I back that backup off 
> to DVD.  
> > For the Wednesday backups,
> > I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files" 
> drive, I have 
> > Ghost
> > back it up once a month to another HD with incremental 
> backups twice a 
> > week.
> > This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I 
> back off this
> > drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
> >
> > Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.  
> This allows
> > you
> > to
> > keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with 
> > another
> > folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep 
> a daily backup
> > of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the 
> beginning of the next
> > week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I 
> have 4-5 jobs
> > running under this: source code, wife's business docs, 
> family docs, email,
> > etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7 
> days worth of
> > data for these particular documents.
> >
> > As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for
> > about 4 months now.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> >
> >
> > Afternoon folks
> >
> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using 
> Disk2Disk
> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 
> caddy for it 
> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 
> to do it 
> > but then read some
> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> > problems
> > agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> > thought
> > I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of 
> people I know - 
> > yes
> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most 
> reliable, easiest 
> > to
> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One 
> requirement I'd have 
> > would
> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come 
> out of Windows to
> > do it.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything
> > in
> > the
> > archives.
> >
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> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar 21 13:48:09 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5925@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

One small remark when using xcopy.
Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the destination
drive.
At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete
everything first on the destination drive.
Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything first,
you don't have a backup during that time.

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

I go low tech for backups. Here's my backup software...

cd \
xcopy c:\*.* R: /s /d /c /y

That is in a batch file called BackuptUSB.BAT that I have a shortcut to
on the desktop. I use it both at home and at work.

It copies any changed files to the external drive. Only issue I have had
with it is that my external drive letter has gotten changed a few times
over the years and I have had to redo the batch file.


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:42 +0100, Andy Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Afternoon folks
> 
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk 
> to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it 
> and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it 
> but then read some horrendous reviews of the product which aside from 
> many and various problems agreed on only one thing - if you need tech 
> support forget it. So I thought I'd better canvas opinion among the 
> best-informed set of people I know - yes folks it's you. So who can 
> recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest to setup, easiest to 
> use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have would be to 
> schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
do it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything 
> in the archives.
> 
> ________________________________________________
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 21 13:55:44 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:55:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B312CE@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90E@ADGSERVER>

Karen's power tool's replicator can delete files on the target that have
been deleted from the source.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


One small remark when using xcopy.
Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the destination
drive. At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete
everything first on the destination drive. Best to works with two copies
because if you delete everything first, you don't have a backup during that
time.

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

I go low tech for backups. Here's my backup software...

cd \
xcopy c:\*.* R: /s /d /c /y

That is in a batch file called BackuptUSB.BAT that I have a shortcut to on
the desktop. I use it both at home and at work.

It copies any changed files to the external drive. Only issue I have had
with it is that my external drive letter has gotten changed a few times over
the years and I have had to redo the batch file.


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:42 +0100, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
wrote:
> Afternoon folks
> 
> Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using Disk2Disk
> to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0 caddy for it 
> and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9 to do it 
> but then read some horrendous reviews of the product which aside from 
> many and various problems agreed on only one thing - if you need tech 
> support forget it. So I thought I'd better canvas opinion among the 
> best-informed set of people I know - yes folks it's you. So who can 
> recommend the greatest, most reliable, easiest to setup, easiest to 
> use disk imaging software? One requirement I'd have would be to 
> schedule overnight backups and not to have to come out of Windows to
do it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything
> in the archives.
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 21 13:56:56 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:56:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B312CF@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE90F@ADGSERVER>

About 4.6GB/DVD.

I have Ghost create 700MB files which is about the size of a CD.  SO each
DVD holds about 6 CDs worth of data.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


And when you say you back that to DVD, what's the capacity of a DVD?

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:30
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
> It does not image the unused space.  It allows you to have
> several (or none) levels of compression.
> 
> My C drive currently takes up about 9GB out of a 35GB
> partition.  My last manual back up took about 5.7GB of disk space.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Bobby:
> 
> Does Ghost create an image the size of the source disk or
> just the size of 
> the occupied space.  IOW, if I have 20MB of stuff on a 40MB 
> disk will the 
> ghost image be 20 or 40MB?
> 
> T&R
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> > Andy,
> >
> > I used to use Acronis True Image until Ghost 9 came out.
> They both do
> > about the same thing, but Ghost will allow you to keep X number of
> > generations of
> > backups and will then automatically delete the older 
> generations as that
> > limit is met.
> >
> > What I do is to Ghost my C Drive Sunday morning, then I have it make 
> > incremental backups every morning other than Sunday.  I
> have it keep 2
> > generations for that.  Every Wednesday evening, I make another full
> > backup of my C: drive to a different HD from the above, but the 
> > difference is that every other week, I back that backup off 
> to DVD.
> > For the Wednesday backups,
> > I keep 2 generations on the HD.  For my "download files"
> drive, I have
> > Ghost
> > back it up once a month to another HD with incremental
> backups twice a
> > week.
> > This I also let keep 2 generations (at least for now).  I
> back off this
> > drive's backups about once every 2-3 months (10 or so DVDs).
> >
> > Another utility I use is Karen's Power Tools Replicator.
> This allows
> > you
> > to
> > keep a folder (including subs if you want) that stays in synch with
> > another
> > folder.  It can (and this is the way I have it set up) keep 
> a daily backup
> > of a given folder for every day of the week.  At the
> beginning of the next
> > week, it starts over again.  It can mirror deletions.  I
> have 4-5 jobs
> > running under this: source code, wife's business docs,
> family docs, email,
> > etc.  So at any time, I can easily get back to the prior 7
> days worth of
> > data for these particular documents.
> >
> > As for problems with Ghost, I have not had any.  Been using it for 
> > about 4 months now.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:29 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> >
> >
> > Afternoon folks
> >
> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
> Disk2Disk
> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
> caddy for it
> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
> to do it
> > but then read some
> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various
> > problems
> > agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I 
> > thought
> > I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of 
> people I know -
> > yes
> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
> reliable, easiest
> > to
> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
> requirement I'd have
> > would
> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
> out of Windows to
> > do it.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find anything 
> > in the
> > archives.
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 21 14:12:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:12:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google API's
Message-ID: <s23f38e7.076@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty, looks promising!

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 03/21 8:20 pm >>>
I have been footling around with some of Google's api's.
I have been trying to search text inside PDF's on desktop or network
share



From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 14:55:14 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:55:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5925@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5925@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950503211255261fd5f1@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, good point Erwin. And that's a good thing in my case. I'm
constantly out of space on my main drive, so I delete older files
there when I need some space and they are still on the external drive.
My external drive is my archive. If I want to delete something
permenantly from it I have to do that manually.

But eventually you run out of space on the Archive - I'm getting close
now - and then you have to 1) delete some things or 2) get a bigger
one and start over - the way I'm leaning    ;-)


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> One small remark when using xcopy.
> Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the destination
> drive.
> At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete
> everything first on the destination drive.
> Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything first,
> you don't have a backup during that time.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> I go low tech for backups. Here's my backup software...
> 
> cd \
> xcopy c:\*.* R: /s /d /c /y
> 
> That is in a batch file called BackuptUSB.BAT that I have a shortcut to
> on the desktop. I use it both at home and at work.
> 
> It copies any changed files to the external drive. Only issue I have had
> with it is that my external drive letter has gotten changed a few times
> over the years and I have had to redo the batch file.
> 

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar 21 15:00:11 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:00:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5927@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I wanted to point this out because I once had an issue with a
accountancy software that  re-imported files again creating double
records when restoring from a backup like this.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Yes, good point Erwin. And that's a good thing in my case. I'm
constantly out of space on my main drive, so I delete older files there
when I need some space and they are still on the external drive.
My external drive is my archive. If I want to delete something
permenantly from it I have to do that manually.

But eventually you run out of space on the Archive - I'm getting close
now - and then you have to 1) delete some things or 2) get a bigger
one and start over - the way I'm leaning    ;-)


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> One small remark when using xcopy.
> Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the 
> destination drive.
> At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete 
> everything first on the destination drive.
> Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything first, 
> you don't have a backup during that time.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> I go low tech for backups. Here's my backup software...
> 
> cd \
> xcopy c:\*.* R: /s /d /c /y
> 
> That is in a batch file called BackuptUSB.BAT that I have a shortcut 
> to on the desktop. I use it both at home and at work.
> 
> It copies any changed files to the external drive. Only issue I have 
> had with it is that my external drive letter has gotten changed a few 
> times over the years and I have had to redo the batch file.
> 

--
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garykjos at gmail.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 15:12:52 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:12:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5927@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
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Ouch!  No, you are entirely correct, this is not a backup but a file
by file copy to another drive. It copies anything NOT on the other
drive and anything there but newer on the older drive. It's not for
everyone. The biggest defficiency from my standpoint is that it
doesn't have GENERATIONS. So if something changes multiple times but
keeps the same name I only have the one version.  Perhaps I should be
using GHOST or something to create images of the entire disk....hmmmm?


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:00:11 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> I wanted to point this out because I once had an issue with a
> accountancy software that  re-imported files again creating double
> records when restoring from a backup like this.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:55 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> Yes, good point Erwin. And that's a good thing in my case. I'm
> constantly out of space on my main drive, so I delete older files there
> when I need some space and they are still on the external drive.
> My external drive is my archive. If I want to delete something
> permenantly from it I have to do that manually.
> 
> But eventually you run out of space on the Archive - I'm getting close
> now - and then you have to 1) delete some things or 2) get a bigger
> one and start over - the way I'm leaning    ;-)
> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > One small remark when using xcopy.
> > Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the
> > destination drive.
> > At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete
> > everything first on the destination drive.
> > Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything first,
> > you don't have a backup during that time.
> >
> > Erwin
> >

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar 21 15:24:11 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:24:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5929@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well I used windows backup!!!

Instead of backing up to a tape you can also backup in a file located on
another physical disk. 
This way you could have a week rotating (every day one file) overwriting
the file depending on the day...

It's easyer to restore a specific file then when using an image.
Disadvantage is when windows is crashed you first need to reinstall
windows.
I haven't seen many XP crashing so...



Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Ouch!  No, you are entirely correct, this is not a backup but a file by
file copy to another drive. It copies anything NOT on the other drive
and anything there but newer on the older drive. It's not for everyone.
The biggest defficiency from my standpoint is that it doesn't have
GENERATIONS. So if something changes multiple times but keeps the same
name I only have the one version.  Perhaps I should be using GHOST or
something to create images of the entire disk....hmmmm?


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:00:11 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> I wanted to point this out because I once had an issue with a 
> accountancy software that  re-imported files again creating double 
> records when restoring from a backup like this.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:55 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> Yes, good point Erwin. And that's a good thing in my case. I'm 
> constantly out of space on my main drive, so I delete older files 
> there when I need some space and they are still on the external drive.
> My external drive is my archive. If I want to delete something 
> permenantly from it I have to do that manually.
> 
> But eventually you run out of space on the Archive - I'm getting close

> now - and then you have to 1) delete some things or 2) get a bigger
> one and start over - the way I'm leaning    ;-)
> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps 
> <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > One small remark when using xcopy.
> > Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the 
> > destination drive.
> > At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete 
> > everything first on the destination drive.
> > Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything 
> > first, you don't have a backup during that time.
> >
> > Erwin
> >

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar 21 15:26:34 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:26:34 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B592A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Another downside.
No compression on Windows backup.
This is/was seagate backup (now veritas), for some extra money you can
get the backup version that does compression.

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Well I used windows backup!!!

Instead of backing up to a tape you can also backup in a file located on
another physical disk. 
This way you could have a week rotating (every day one file) overwriting
the file depending on the day...

It's easyer to restore a specific file then when using an image.
Disadvantage is when windows is crashed you first need to reinstall
windows.
I haven't seen many XP crashing so...



Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Ouch!  No, you are entirely correct, this is not a backup but a file by
file copy to another drive. It copies anything NOT on the other drive
and anything there but newer on the older drive. It's not for everyone.
The biggest defficiency from my standpoint is that it doesn't have
GENERATIONS. So if something changes multiple times but keeps the same
name I only have the one version.  Perhaps I should be using GHOST or
something to create images of the entire disk....hmmmm?


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:00:11 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> I wanted to point this out because I once had an issue with a 
> accountancy software that  re-imported files again creating double 
> records when restoring from a backup like this.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:55 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> Yes, good point Erwin. And that's a good thing in my case. I'm 
> constantly out of space on my main drive, so I delete older files 
> there when I need some space and they are still on the external drive.
> My external drive is my archive. If I want to delete something 
> permenantly from it I have to do that manually.
> 
> But eventually you run out of space on the Archive - I'm getting close

> now - and then you have to 1) delete some things or 2) get a bigger
> one and start over - the way I'm leaning    ;-)
> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:48:09 +0100, Erwin Craps - IT Helps 
> <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > One small remark when using xcopy.
> > Delete files on the source drive will not be deleted on the 
> > destination drive.
> > At my knowledge there is no solution for that, except for delete 
> > everything first on the destination drive.
> > Best to works with two copies because if you delete everything 
> > first, you don't have a backup during that time.
> >
> > Erwin
> >

--
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar 21 22:06:08 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:06:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
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I always liked Power Quest products too. But I think Symantec has put some
of the features of Drive Image into Ghost. Ghost 9 reads drive image format.

As far as difficulty using Ghost. Compared to most tape backup software it
is a breeze! I think the idea of it being difficult may arise from power
users making bootable cds with it and all sorts of stretching it out kind of
tasks.

John B. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now been
dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one from ebay
but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps I
wouldn't need it????

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit 
> Soobik
> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> Andy,
> I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0 well, its 
> one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec ate Powerquest 
> and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy to use, you can 
> schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive taht has 
> windows from within windows just right for me.
> 
> Lembit
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> 
> 
> > Afternoon folks
> >
> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
> Disk2Disk
> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
> caddy for it
> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
> to do it
> > but then read some
> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various 
> > problems agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget 
> > it. So I thought I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed 
> > set of
> people I know -
> > yes
> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
> reliable, easiest
> > to
> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
> requirement I'd have
> > would
> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
> out of Windows to
> > do it.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
> anything
> > in
> > the
> > archives.
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Tue Mar 22 03:17:25 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:17:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
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thats what I think: when will you need support? hardly ever? (maybe I'm 
naive)
I have also partition magic from them and it has worked great since years, 
thats why I trust their Drive Image.
And I have jsut seen that you can tell it how many backups to keep when you 
have it make automated backups.

BTW, I also use karens Replicator for data folders. this one can replicate 
deleted files or folders if you wish so

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now been
> dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one from 
> ebay
> but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps I
> wouldn't need it????
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lembit Soobik
>> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> Andy,
>> I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0
>> well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec ate
>> Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy
>> to use, you can
>> schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive
>> taht has windows
>> from within windows
>> just right for me.
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> > Afternoon folks
>> >
>> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
>> Disk2Disk
>> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
>> caddy for it
>> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
>> to do it
>> > but then read some
>> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various
>> > problems
>> > agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget it. So I
>> > thought
>> > I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of
>> people I know -
>> > yes
>> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
>> reliable, easiest
>> > to
>> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
>> requirement I'd have
>> > would
>> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
>> out of Windows to
>> > do it.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Andy Lacey
>> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> >
>> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
>> anything
>> > in
>> > the
>> > archives.
>> >
>> > ________________________________________________
>> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>> >
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Tue Mar 22 03:33:59 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:33:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
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Message-ID: <027401c52ec2$46930320$0800a8c0@s856>

I had used Ghost some years ago and was not happy at all with it. therefore 
I was now glad to get one of the last Drive Image, which is easy to use (and 
that means something if I say so)

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:06 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


>I always liked Power Quest products too. But I think Symantec has put some
> of the features of Drive Image into Ghost. Ghost 9 reads drive image 
> format.
>
> As far as difficulty using Ghost. Compared to most tape backup software it
> is a breeze! I think the idea of it being difficult may arise from power
> users making bootable cds with it and all sorts of stretching it out kind 
> of
> tasks.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:48 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
> Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now been
> dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one from 
> ebay
> but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps I
> wouldn't need it????
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
>> Soobik
>> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> Andy,
>> I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0 well, its
>> one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec ate Powerquest
>> and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy to use, you can
>> schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive taht has
>> windows from within windows just right for me.
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> > Afternoon folks
>> >
>> > Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
>> Disk2Disk
>> > to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
>> caddy for it
>> > and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
>> to do it
>> > but then read some
>> > horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and various
>> > problems agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget
>> > it. So I thought I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed
>> > set of
>> people I know -
>> > yes
>> > folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
>> reliable, easiest
>> > to
>> > setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
>> requirement I'd have
>> > would
>> > be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
>> out of Windows to
>> > do it.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Andy Lacey
>> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> >
>> > PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
>> anything
>> > in
>> > the
>> > archives.
>> >
>> > ________________________________________________
>> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 05:08:25 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:08:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <20050322120822.B400C253AAC@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

mm, there's one copy on ebay I'm tempted to get. Would you mind checking for
me Lembit if it supports backing up to a HD on a USB 2.0 port? And can you
schedule a full disk backup so I can sleep easy at night knwing my whole
disk is being replicated during my slumbers?
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Date: 22/03/05 09:18

>
> thats what I think: when will you need support? hardly ever? (maybe I'm
> naive)
> I have also partition magic from them and it has worked great since years,
> thats why I trust their Drive Image.
> And I have jsut seen that you can tell it how many backups to keep when
you
> have it make automated backups.
>
> BTW, I also use karens Replicator for data folders. this one can replicate
> deleted files or folders if you wish so
>
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
> To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
> &gt; Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now
been
> &gt; dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one
from
> &gt; ebay
> &gt; but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps I
> &gt; wouldn't need it????
> &gt;
> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;
> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; Lembit Soobik
> &gt;&gt; Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
> &gt;&gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Andy,
> &gt;&gt; I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0
> &gt;&gt; well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec
ate
> &gt;&gt; Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy
> &gt;&gt; to use, you can
> &gt;&gt; schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive
> &gt;&gt; taht has windows
> &gt;&gt; from within windows
> &gt;&gt; just right for me.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Lembit
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----
> &gt;&gt; From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
> &gt;&gt; To: &quot;Discussion of Hardware and Software issues&quot;
> &gt;&gt; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
> &gt;&gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Afternoon folks
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
> &gt;&gt; Disk2Disk
> &gt;&gt; &gt; to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
> &gt;&gt; caddy for it
> &gt;&gt; &gt; and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
> &gt;&gt; to do it
> &gt;&gt; &gt; but then read some
> &gt;&gt; &gt; horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and
various
> &gt;&gt; &gt; problems
> &gt;&gt; &gt; agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget
it. So I
> &gt;&gt; &gt; thought
> &gt;&gt; &gt; I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of
> &gt;&gt; people I know -
> &gt;&gt; &gt; yes
> &gt;&gt; &gt; folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
> &gt;&gt; reliable, easiest
> &gt;&gt; &gt; to
> &gt;&gt; &gt; setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
> &gt;&gt; requirement I'd have
> &gt;&gt; &gt; would
> &gt;&gt; &gt; be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
> &gt;&gt; out of Windows to
> &gt;&gt; &gt; do it.
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Any thoughts?
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Andy Lacey
> &gt;&gt; &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
> &gt;&gt; anything
> &gt;&gt; &gt; in
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Tue Mar 22 06:41:30 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:41:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
References: <20050322120822.B400C253AAC@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003201c52edc$78f19bf0$0800a8c0@s856>

copied following from the help file:

Sie k?nnen das Backupimage auf eine Festplatte, ein USB- oder 
FireWire-Laufwerk, ein Netzwerklaufwerk oder ein Wechselmedium speichern.

You can save the backup image on a HD, a USB_ or FireWire drive, a network 
drive or an exchangeable media.

HTH
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> mm, there's one copy on ebay I'm tempted to get. Would you mind checking 
> for
> me Lembit if it supports backing up to a HD on a USB 2.0 port? And can you
> schedule a full disk backup so I can sleep easy at night knwing my whole
> disk is being replicated during my slumbers?
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> Date: 22/03/05 09:18
>
>>
>> thats what I think: when will you need support? hardly ever? (maybe I'm
>> naive)
>> I have also partition magic from them and it has worked great since 
>> years,
>> thats why I trust their Drive Image.
>> And I have jsut seen that you can tell it how many backups to keep when
> you
>> have it make automated backups.
>>
>> BTW, I also use karens Replicator for data folders. this one can 
>> replicate
>> deleted files or folders if you wish so
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
>> To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
>> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> &gt; Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now
> been
>> &gt; dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one
> from
>> &gt; ebay
>> &gt; but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps 
>> I
>> &gt; wouldn't need it????
>> &gt;
>> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
>> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
>> &gt;&gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> &gt;&gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> &gt;&gt; Lembit Soobik
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
>> &gt;&gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Andy,
>> &gt;&gt; I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0
>> &gt;&gt; well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec
> ate
>> &gt;&gt; Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy
>> &gt;&gt; to use, you can
>> &gt;&gt; schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive
>> &gt;&gt; taht has windows
>> &gt;&gt; from within windows
>> &gt;&gt; just right for me.
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Lembit
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----
>> &gt;&gt; From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; To: &quot;Discussion of Hardware and Software issues&quot;
>> &gt;&gt; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Afternoon folks
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
>> &gt;&gt; Disk2Disk
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
>> &gt;&gt; caddy for it
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
>> &gt;&gt; to do it
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; but then read some
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and
> various
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; problems
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget
> it. So I
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; thought
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of
>> &gt;&gt; people I know -
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; yes
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
>> &gt;&gt; reliable, easiest
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; to
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
>> &gt;&gt; requirement I'd have
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; would
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
>> &gt;&gt; out of Windows to
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; do it.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Any thoughts?
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Andy Lacey
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
>> &gt;&gt; anything
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; in
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; the
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; archives.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Tue Mar 22 06:45:49 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:45:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
References: <20050322120822.B400C253AAC@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003b01c52edd$137a7610$0800a8c0@s856>

oh, and it sais even if your computer doesnt boot any more or the drive with 
the OS is dead, and you have to replace it, it has facilities to put the 
backup image back. have not tried that however.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


> mm, there's one copy on ebay I'm tempted to get. Would you mind checking 
> for
> me Lembit if it supports backing up to a HD on a USB 2.0 port? And can you
> schedule a full disk backup so I can sleep easy at night knwing my whole
> disk is being replicated during my slumbers?
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> Date: 22/03/05 09:18
>
>>
>> thats what I think: when will you need support? hardly ever? (maybe I'm
>> naive)
>> I have also partition magic from them and it has worked great since 
>> years,
>> thats why I trust their Drive Image.
>> And I have jsut seen that you can tell it how many backups to keep when
> you
>> have it make automated backups.
>>
>> BTW, I also use karens Replicator for data folders. this one can 
>> replicate
>> deleted files or folders if you wish so
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
>> To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
>> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>>
>>
>> &gt; Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say it's now
> been
>> &gt; dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able to buy one
> from
>> &gt; ebay
>> &gt; but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But then perhaps 
>> I
>> &gt; wouldn't need it????
>> &gt;
>> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
>> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
>> &gt;&gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> &gt;&gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> &gt;&gt; Lembit Soobik
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
>> &gt;&gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Andy,
>> &gt;&gt; I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive Image 7.0
>> &gt;&gt; well, its one of the last copies on the market, since Symantec
> ate
>> &gt;&gt; Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its great, easy
>> &gt;&gt; to use, you can
>> &gt;&gt; schedule backups, you can make the drive image of the drive
>> &gt;&gt; taht has windows
>> &gt;&gt; from within windows
>> &gt;&gt; just right for me.
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Lembit
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----
>> &gt;&gt; From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; To: &quot;Discussion of Hardware and Software issues&quot;
>> &gt;&gt; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Afternoon folks
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Ok so I decided to beef up my backup capability (been using
>> &gt;&gt; Disk2Disk
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; to backup essentials to CD), get a second HD, a USB 2.0
>> &gt;&gt; caddy for it
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; and backup my entire disk to that. Was going to get Ghost 9
>> &gt;&gt; to do it
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; but then read some
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; horrendous reviews of the product which aside from many and
> various
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; problems
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; agreed on only one thing - if you need tech support forget
> it. So I
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; thought
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; I'd better canvas opinion among the best-informed set of
>> &gt;&gt; people I know -
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; yes
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; folks it's you. So who can recommend the greatest, most
>> &gt;&gt; reliable, easiest
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; to
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; setup, easiest to use disk imaging software? One
>> &gt;&gt; requirement I'd have
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; would
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; be to schedule overnight backups and not to have to come
>> &gt;&gt; out of Windows to
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; do it.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Any thoughts?
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Andy Lacey
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; PS If we've had this before I apologise but I couldn't find
>> &gt;&gt; anything
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; in
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; the
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; archives.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt;
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Mar 22 06:50:42 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:50:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B313D3@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE915@ADGSERVER>

Lembit,  

It is my understanding that Ghost 9 IS a rebadged Drive Image.  As a matter
of fact, they include Ghost 2003 for running with 98/me/etc.  I think that
Ghost 9 is only compatible with 2000 and xp (maybe 2003 server, I don't
know).

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I had used Ghost some years ago and was not happy at all with it. therefore 
I was now glad to get one of the last Drive Image, which is easy to use (and

that means something if I say so)

Lembit



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 06:46:18 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:46:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Message-ID: <20050322134615.231A6256AFF@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks Lembit, that's a real help.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
Date: 22/03/05 12:42

>
> copied following from the help file:
>
> Sie k?nnen das Backupimage auf eine Festplatte, ein USB- oder
> FireWire-Laufwerk, ein Netzwerklaufwerk oder ein Wechselmedium speichern.
>
> You can save the backup image on a HD, a USB_ or FireWire drive, a network
> drive or an exchangeable media.
>
> HTH
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: &quot;Andy Lacey&quot; &lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&gt;
> To: &quot;Discussion of Hardware and Software issues&quot;
> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
>
>
> &gt; mm, there's one copy on ebay I'm tempted to get. Would you mind
checking
> &gt; for
> &gt; me Lembit if it supports backing up to a HD on a USB 2.0 port? And
can you
> &gt; schedule a full disk backup so I can sleep easy at night knwing my
whole
> &gt; disk is being replicated during my slumbers?
> &gt; --
> &gt; Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; --------- Original Message --------
> &gt; From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> &gt; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> &gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> &gt; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> &gt; Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt; Date: 22/03/05 09:18
> &gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; thats what I think: when will you need support? hardly ever?
(maybe I'm
> &gt;&gt; naive)
> &gt;&gt; I have also partition magic from them and it has worked great
since
> &gt;&gt; years,
> &gt;&gt; thats why I trust their Drive Image.
> &gt;&gt; And I have jsut seen that you can tell it how many backups to
keep when
> &gt; you
> &gt;&gt; have it make automated backups.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; BTW, I also use karens Replicator for data folders. this one can
> &gt;&gt; replicate
> &gt;&gt; deleted files or folders if you wish so
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Lembit
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----
> &gt;&gt; From: &amp;quot;Andy Lacey&amp;quot;
&amp;lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; To: &amp;quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues'&amp;quot;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:48 PM
> &gt;&gt; Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; Yes I've heard good reports of DriveImage but as you say
it's now
> &gt; been
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; dismantled by Symantec. I suppose I might still be able
to buy one
> &gt; from
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; ebay
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; but I'm not going to get any support if I need it. But
then perhaps
> &gt;&gt; I
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; wouldn't need it????
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
On Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Lembit Soobik
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: 21 March 2005 18:26
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Andy,
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I have jsut recently purchased Power Quest Drive
Image 7.0
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; well, its one of the last copies on the market,
since Symantec
> &gt; ate
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Powerquest and doesnt sell it any more, but its
great, easy
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; to use, you can
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; schedule backups, you can make the drive image
of the drive
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; taht has windows
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; from within windows
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; just right for me.
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Lembit
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; ----- Original Message -----
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &amp;quot;Andy Lacey&amp;quot;
&amp;lt;andy at minstersystems.co.uk&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &amp;quot;Discussion of Hardware and
Software issues&amp;quot;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:28 PM
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Afternoon folks
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Ok so I decided to beef up my backup
capability (been using
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Disk2Disk
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; to backup essentials to CD), get a
second HD, a USB 2.0
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; caddy for it
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; and backup my entire disk to that. Was
going to get Ghost 9
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; to do it
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; but then read some
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; horrendous reviews of the product which
aside from many and
> &gt; various
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; problems
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; agreed on only one thing - if you need
tech support forget
> &gt; it. So I
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; thought
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I'd better canvas opinion among the
best-informed set of
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; people I know -
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; yes
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; folks it's you. So who can recommend
the greatest, most
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; reliable, easiest
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; to
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; setup, easiest to use disk imaging
software? One
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; requirement I'd have
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; would
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; be to schedule overnight backups and
not to have to come
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; out of Windows to
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; do it.
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Any thoughts?
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; --
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Andy Lacey
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; PS If we've had this before I apologise
but I couldn't find
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; anything
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; in
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; the
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 22 08:44:45 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:44:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE915@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAA4iFri45pEuMaLquyIncygEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

I don't think it is just rebranded Drive Image - as Lembit stated DI was
easier to use - however it does include Drive Image features. They did not
do much with Partition Magic except rebrand it. (I generally give Symantec 3
releases after they purchase a competitor before they have it fully
incorporated and have eliminated the former product name from their line-up)

You are correct in the OS limitations. Symantec has been dropping support
for older Oses in their new products and including previous versions on the
CD. They have abandoned many of my favorite features of SystemWorks.

I am not happy with Symantec in 2005.

NIS has turned into one huge PITA and NAV with its silly replacement for
XP's silly Security Center...


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Lembit,  

It is my understanding that Ghost 9 IS a rebadged Drive Image.  As a matter
of fact, they include Ghost 2003 for running with 98/me/etc.  I think that
Ghost 9 is only compatible with 2000 and xp (maybe 2003 server, I don't
know).

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I had used Ghost some years ago and was not happy at all with it. therefore
I was now glad to get one of the last Drive Image, which is easy to use (and

that means something if I say so)

Lembit

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Mar 22 09:26:52 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:26:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B441D7@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE919@ADGSERVER>

What I was basically saying (but didn't), was that Symantec took Drive
Image, and added a Symantec front-end to it.  So, I think that Ghost 9 is
basically the latest version of Drive Image, but in different clothing.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I don't think it is just rebranded Drive Image - as Lembit stated DI was
easier to use - however it does include Drive Image features. They did not
do much with Partition Magic except rebrand it. (I generally give Symantec 3
releases after they purchase a competitor before they have it fully
incorporated and have eliminated the former product name from their line-up)

You are correct in the OS limitations. Symantec has been dropping support
for older Oses in their new products and including previous versions on the
CD. They have abandoned many of my favorite features of SystemWorks.

I am not happy with Symantec in 2005.

NIS has turned into one huge PITA and NAV with its silly replacement for
XP's silly Security Center...


John B. 



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 22 13:29:25 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:29:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE919@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7UKAAAAQAAAAY6CLm/TFH0+pa6Y0VkT61AEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Hi Bobby,
No big deal, I just disgree to some extent. JMO but you may be correct.


John B. 

 


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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:27 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

What I was basically saying (but didn't), was that Symantec took Drive
Image, and added a Symantec front-end to it.  So, I think that Ghost 9 is
basically the latest version of Drive Image, but in different clothing.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I don't think it is just rebranded Drive Image - as Lembit stated DI was
easier to use - however it does include Drive Image features. They did not
do much with Partition Magic except rebrand it. (I generally give Symantec 3
releases after they purchase a competitor before they have it fully
incorporated and have eliminated the former product name from their line-up)

You are correct in the OS limitations. Symantec has been dropping support
for older Oses in their new products and including previous versions on the
CD. They have abandoned many of my favorite features of SystemWorks.

I am not happy with Symantec in 2005.

NIS has turned into one huge PITA and NAV with its silly replacement for
XP's silly Security Center...


John B. 

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Mar 22 13:41:46 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:41:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30B4428A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE92B@ADGSERVER>

Oh, you may be right, that why I stated it as "I was under the
impression"....

Either way, Ghost 9 is not your daddy's Ghost.  LOL. 

I like it for the ability to image while in Windows.

Bobby

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


Hi Bobby,
No big deal, I just disgree to some extent. JMO but you may be correct.


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:27 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

What I was basically saying (but didn't), was that Symantec took Drive
Image, and added a Symantec front-end to it.  So, I think that Ghost 9 is
basically the latest version of Drive Image, but in different clothing.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I don't think it is just rebranded Drive Image - as Lembit stated DI was
easier to use - however it does include Drive Image features. They did not
do much with Partition Magic except rebrand it. (I generally give Symantec 3
releases after they purchase a competitor before they have it fully
incorporated and have eliminated the former product name from their line-up)

You are correct in the OS limitations. Symantec has been dropping support
for older Oses in their new products and including previous versions on the
CD. They have abandoned many of my favorite features of SystemWorks.

I am not happy with Symantec in 2005.

NIS has turned into one huge PITA and NAV with its silly replacement for
XP's silly Security Center...


John B. 



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 22 17:00:04 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:00:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABE92B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAQoq/PcVFvxGwrDa6FpkS7QKKAAAQAAAAOUqp4/zy8kO1vu8JezsY8wEAAAAA@winhaven.net>

Yes, we agree there! Much nicer than previous versions.


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:42 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

Oh, you may be right, that why I stated it as "I was under the
impression"....

Either way, Ghost 9 is not your daddy's Ghost.  LOL. 

I like it for the ability to image while in Windows.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


Hi Bobby,
No big deal, I just disgree to some extent. JMO but you may be correct.


John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:27 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying

What I was basically saying (but didn't), was that Symantec took Drive
Image, and added a Symantec front-end to it.  So, I think that Ghost 9 is
basically the latest version of Drive Image, but in different clothing.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drive Copying


I don't think it is just rebranded Drive Image - as Lembit stated DI was
easier to use - however it does include Drive Image features. They did not
do much with Partition Magic except rebrand it. (I generally give Symantec 3
releases after they purchase a competitor before they have it fully
incorporated and have eliminated the former product name from their line-up)

You are correct in the OS limitations. Symantec has been dropping support
for older Oses in their new products and including previous versions on the
CD. They have abandoned many of my favorite features of SystemWorks.

I am not happy with Symantec in 2005.

NIS has turned into one huge PITA and NAV with its silly replacement for
XP's silly Security Center...


John B. 

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 17:17:18 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:17:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <aea6c49505031606145e6f13a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f3050315180024a4320e@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c49505031606145e6f13a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050322151742e556f1@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

It did!

Steve Erbach


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:14:26 -0600, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> The dirty little secret ;-)
> 
> Hope it works.
> 
> GK
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:00:41 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > Thanks for the links. I read through the fsutil stuff on the Microsoft
> > site and ran chkdsk /f from the command prompt. I checked fsutil dirty
> > afterwards and the drive is NOT dirty anymore. We'll see when I
> > restart. Thank you.
> >
> > Steve Erbach


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 07:37:14 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:37:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Chkdsk on startup
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f3050322151742e556f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f305030106274707ed4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f305031005081a6ea343@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c4950503100542770a0071@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f3050315180024a4320e@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c49505031606145e6f13a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f3050322151742e556f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c49505032305374a88f503@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!  Glad I could help.


On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:17:18 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary,
> 
> It did!
> 
> Steve Erbach
> 
-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 09:19:51 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:19:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
Message-ID: <00bd01c52fbb$c3988670$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.

My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.  
Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it. 

When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.

Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.  

But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it will 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the network printer on Hal9001.

Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother Hal9002..

BTW, all the drives are shared.  

Any ideas how to fix this?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
858-259-4334


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 23 09:24:41 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:24:41 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D263E@ALCUXB>

If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly shared
folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are: Printers
and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that list
too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.

My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.  
Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it. 

When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.

Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.  

But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it will
'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
network printer on Hal9001.

Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer
without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
Hal9002..

BTW, all the drives are shared.  

Any ideas how to fix this?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
858-259-4334
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 09:48:49 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:48:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D263E@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <00e801c52fbf$ceedb0f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

" If you navigate to \\Hal9001"

I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?

"Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "

No Connect option on the context menu.

All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using 
Domains.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly 
> shared
> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are: 
> Printers
> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that list
> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>
> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
> The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.
> Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it.
>
> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
> simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>
> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>
> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it 
> will
> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
> network printer on Hal9001.
>
> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer
> without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
> Hal9002..
>
> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>
> Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
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> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject
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From pharold at proftesting.com  Wed Mar 23 10:08:29 2005
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:08:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
In-Reply-To: <00e801c52fbf$ceedb0f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002701c52fc2$8e1f8b40$192da8c0@D58BT131Perry>

Rocky

Have you checked the security permissions for the printer -
printer/properties/security.  They may not be set to allow you to control
the printer.

Perry Harold

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


" If you navigate to \\Hal9001"

I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?

"Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "

No Connect option on the context menu.

All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using 
Domains.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly
> shared
> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are: 
> Printers
> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that list
> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>
> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro. The backup 
> development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000. Hal9001 has the shared 
> printer hooked to it.
>
> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which 
> I simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>
> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>
> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it
> will
> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
> network printer on Hal9001.
>
> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network 
> printer without having to do this connecting trick just like it's 
> older brother Hal9002..
>
> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>
> Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally 
> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are 
> subject to the legal notice available on request from : 
> webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division 
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 23 10:28:31 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:28:31 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2640@ALCUXB>

You aren't using a domain, simply because you've got XP home - it doesn't do
Domains. So you're in a workgroup. I only mentioned a domain as that's what
I've got in front of me and that's what I can see...

Yes, I meant through network neighbourhood, or even just typing \\Hal9001 in
the explorer bar.

No connect option? that's odd... are you logged on as the administrator?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 23 March 2005 15:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


" If you navigate to \\Hal9001"

I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?

"Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "

No Connect option on the context menu.

All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using 
Domains.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly 
> shared
> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are: 
> Printers
> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that list
> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>
> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
> The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.
> Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it.
>
> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
> simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>
> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>
> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it 
> will
> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
> network printer on Hal9001.
>
> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer
> without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
> Hal9002..
>
> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>
> Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally
> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject
> to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited.
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> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar 23 10:30:39 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
Message-ID: <000d01c52fc5$adb83300$123a11d8@danwaters>

Hello to everyone!

 

I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP (at
least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase? Who
sells them?  Who has good prices?

 

Thanks!

 

Dan Waters

www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/> 

 

 



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 10:41:57 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:41:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2640@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <016601c52fc7$3ae1ef90$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

"are you logged on as the administrator?"

Again, on Hal9004 I assume.   Well, I don't log on - it just comes up.  So 
can I assume I'm logged on as administrator?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> You aren't using a domain, simply because you've got XP home - it doesn't 
> do
> Domains. So you're in a workgroup. I only mentioned a domain as that's 
> what
> I've got in front of me and that's what I can see...
>
> Yes, I meant through network neighbourhood, or even just typing \\Hal9001 
> in
> the explorer bar.
>
> No connect option? that's odd... are you logged on as the administrator?
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:49
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> " If you navigate to \\Hal9001"
>
> I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?
>
> "Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "
>
> No Connect option on the context menu.
>
> All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using
> Domains.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
>> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly
>> shared
>> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are:
>> Printers
>> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that 
>> list
>> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
>> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
>> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>
>>
>> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>>
>> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
>> The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.
>> Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it.
>>
>> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
>> simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>>
>> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>>
>> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it
>> will
>> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
>> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
>> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
>> network printer on Hal9001.
>>
>> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer
>> without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
>> Hal9002..
>>
>> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>>
>> Any ideas how to fix this?
>>
>> MTIA,
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>> 858-259-4334
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 23 10:48:27 2005
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:48:27 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2641@ALCUXB>

Yes, on the pc you're trying to print from. Hrm, yes, I would think so. Can
you install software and defrag as that user? If so, you're the
administrator.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 23 March 2005 16:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


"are you logged on as the administrator?"

Again, on Hal9004 I assume.   Well, I don't log on - it just comes up.  So 
can I assume I'm logged on as administrator?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> You aren't using a domain, simply because you've got XP home - it doesn't 
> do
> Domains. So you're in a workgroup. I only mentioned a domain as that's 
> what
> I've got in front of me and that's what I can see...
>
> Yes, I meant through network neighbourhood, or even just typing \\Hal9001 
> in
> the explorer bar.
>
> No connect option? that's odd... are you logged on as the administrator?
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:49
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> " If you navigate to \\Hal9001"
>
> I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?
>
> "Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "
>
> No Connect option on the context menu.
>
> All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using
> Domains.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
>> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly
>> shared
>> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are:
>> Printers
>> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that 
>> list
>> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
>> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
>> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>
>>
>> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>>
>> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
>> The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.
>> Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it.
>>
>> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
>> simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>>
>> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>>
>> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it
>> will
>> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
>> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
>> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
>> network printer on Hal9001.
>>
>> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network printer
>> without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
>> Hal9002..
>>
>> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>>
>> Any ideas how to fix this?
>>
>> MTIA,
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>> 858-259-4334
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 11:02:05 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:02:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2641@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <019401c52fca$0ae5aa90$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Yeah.  Hal9004 is pretty much a blank slate.  Just got it from Dell on 
Monday.  Missed working on it all day yesterday because we went to 
Disneyland. Back at it today transferring all my development stuff to it.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> Yes, on the pc you're trying to print from. Hrm, yes, I would think so. 
> Can
> you install software and defrag as that user? If so, you're the
> administrator.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 23 March 2005 16:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> "are you logged on as the administrator?"
>
> Again, on Hal9004 I assume.   Well, I don't log on - it just comes up.  So
> can I assume I'm logged on as administrator?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
>> You aren't using a domain, simply because you've got XP home - it doesn't
>> do
>> Domains. So you're in a workgroup. I only mentioned a domain as that's
>> what
>> I've got in front of me and that's what I can see...
>>
>> Yes, I meant through network neighbourhood, or even just typing \\Hal9001
>> in
>> the explorer bar.
>>
>> No connect option? that's odd... are you logged on as the administrator?
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:49
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>
>>
>> " If you navigate to \\Hal9001"
>>
>> I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?
>>
>> "Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "
>>
>> No Connect option on the context menu.
>>
>> All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using
>> Domains.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>
>>
>>> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly
>>> shared
>>> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are:
>>> Printers
>>> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that
>>> list
>>> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you 
>>> a
>>> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
>>> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
>>> To: dba-tech
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>>
>>>
>>> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>>>
>>> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro.
>>> The backup development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000.
>>> Hal9001 has the shared printer hooked to it.
>>>
>>> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which I
>>> simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>>>
>>> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>>>
>>> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it
>>> will
>>> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
>>> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
>>> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
>>> network printer on Hal9001.
>>>
>>> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network 
>>> printer
>>> without having to do this connecting trick just like it's older brother
>>> Hal9002..
>>>
>>> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>>>
>>> Any ideas how to fix this?
>>>
>>> MTIA,
>>>
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally
>>> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject
>>> to the legal notice available on request from : 
>>> webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
>>> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited.
>>> Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ.
>>> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 23 11:35:55 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:35:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
References: <002701c52fc2$8e1f8b40$192da8c0@D58BT131Perry>
Message-ID: <020301c52fce$c4e3d080$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Perry:

Everybody has all permissions.  I think the problem occurs before the 
printer permissions are looked at.  If I try to look at any resource on 
Hal9001 I get the "Connect to Hal9001" dialog box and after I enter the user 
name everything's OK.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
858-259-4334

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Perry Harold" <pharold at proftesting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question


> Rocky
>
> Have you checked the security permissions for the printer -
> printer/properties/security.  They may not be set to allow you to control
> the printer.
>
> Perry Harold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
> " If you navigate to \\Hal9001"
>
> I assume you mean through the My Network Places on Hal9004?
>
> "Right click on the printer, then hit connect. "
>
> No Connect option on the context menu.
>
> All the computers are in the same work group.  I don't think I'm using
> Domains.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>
>
>> If you navigate to \\Hal9001 it should show you a list of the visibly
>> shared
>> folders. I don't know about a workgroup, but on a Domain, they are:
>> Printers
>> and Scheduled Tasks. If you share a printer, it should appear in that 
>> list
>> too. Right click on the printer, then hit connect. That should give you a
>> connection to the printer and install the relevant drivers for it. After
>> that you shouldn't need to do anything else, just print.
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>> Sent: 23 March 2005 15:20
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
>>
>>
>> I am implementing my new machine - Hal9004.  It came with Win XP Home.
>>
>> My current development machine is Hal9002 with WIN XP Pro. The backup
>> development machine is Hal9001 - Windows 2000. Hal9001 has the shared
>> printer hooked to it.
>>
>> When I start Hal9001 it prompts me for user name and password to which
>> I simply press enter.  User name is Administrator with no password.
>>
>> Hal9002 has no problem printing through Hal9001.
>>
>> But the new box - Hal9004 requires that I connect to Hal9001 before it
>> will
>> 'see' the printer.  I go to network neighborhood on Hal9004, click on
>> Hal9001's shared drive C, put in the user name Administrator and no
>> password, and everything's fine - I can print from Hal9004 through the
>> network printer on Hal9001.
>>
>> Of course, this is a PITA and I'd like Hal9004 to see the network
>> printer without having to do this connecting trick just like it's
>> older brother Hal9002..
>>
>> BTW, all the drives are shared.
>>
>> Any ideas how to fix this?
>>
>> MTIA,
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>> 858-259-4334
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally
>> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are
>> subject to the legal notice available on request from :
>> webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division
>> of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill
>> Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
>> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 23 15:56:10 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:56:10 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Printer Sharing Question
In-Reply-To: <020301c52fce$c4e3d080$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <4242729A.18460.3778591@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Mar 2005 at 9:35, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Perry:
> 
> Everybody has all permissions.  I think the problem occurs before the 
> printer permissions are looked at.  If I try to look at any resource on 
> Hal9001 I get the "Connect to Hal9001" dialog box and after I enter the user 
> name everything's OK.
> 
>
I stay right away form XP Home ( and XXP-PRo where I can), but I seem to 
recall a couple of gotchas with XP Home (and maybe Pro as well?)

There was something about it always connected to shares by default as user 
Guest, regardless of what you are logged in as.

There was also something about not being able to use blank passwords on 
remote logons.

I'd suggest a google on the above.

-- 
Stuart




From erbachs at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 16:56:18 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:56:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
Message-ID: <39cb22f305032714563358f3b3@mail.gmail.com>

I had been wondering how to insert Unicode characters into a document.
There's a nifty web site (
http://www.visibone.com/htmlref/char/cer.htm ) that shows the HTML
numeric codes for the entire Unicode set. I then went into Microsoft
Word 2003 and found that if you know the hexadecimal number for a
Unicode character (265B, for example) then all you have to do is type
that number and press Alt-X, and the number will be converted to the
Unicode character, in this case, a Black chess Queen.

There's also the entire Unicode set in Word under Insert | Symbol. The
Symbols tab has a Font list. I picked the Arial Unicode MS font. There
is another drop down list with "subsets" of the Unicode list. So you
could jump to Miscellaneous Dingbats and locate the Black Chess Queen
that way.

The Alt-X shortcut works in Word, WordPad, and Windows Messenger, but
not in Access.

-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


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From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:15:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920502070500268f4636@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920502070500268f4636@mail.gmail.com>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 19:33:54 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:33:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
Message-ID: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

Had an odd thing happen today. I've been working on learning ASP to
help out a client of mine. She wants a few small customizations to
this huge application -- just under 800 ASP pages.

I wanted to determine which of the ASP pages contained a reference to
a field in one of her SQL Server tables; so I thought I'd use good old
Windows XP Search to find the word "editoremail" in any of the ASP
files. The files are in a folder under C:\Inetpub\wwwroot on my
workstation. I've got IIS and SQL Server installed on it.

Anyway, I know for a fact that that field name is contained in two of
the ASP files in one particular folder. I set Windows Search
going...but it returned only ONE file, and it wasn't even one of the
two I knew about. I couldn't figure out why Search would not find that
field name. I even tried searching for "editormail" including the
quotes since that's how it appears when it's referenced in the ASP
code:

HoldCC = rse("EditorEmail")

I tried using proper capitalization of the word, too. No dice. Search
came back with a completely different ASP file. It's funny, too,
because the file it found is in the same folder as the other two ASP
files.

So I thought I'd try Yahoo Desktop Search. I installed it and waited
the half hour or so it took to index my files. But then I found out
that it doesn't do full text searches! It just looks for file names.
Uninstalled that puppy.

Then I tried Google Desktop Search. That claims to be full text. Well,
after it indexed everything, it didn't find a single instance of that
field name either! Uninstalled it.

What's going on here? Any ideas? I mean, ASP files are just plain old
text. I'm baffled.


-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
http://www.swerbach.com
Security Page: http://www.swerbach.com/security
http://sweblog1.blogspot.com


From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Mar 28 22:42:37 2005
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:12:37 +0930
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC68C@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

It doesn't matter what format the asp files are, index engines will
generally only search within files that have certain extensions - I
assume .asp isn't on their lists by default, although I imagine a number
of them would be configurable.

Most editors, such as Dreamweaver, Visual Studio etc, will definitely
search within project files such as asp etc.  

What editor are you using?

Cheers,
Andrew

 

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 11:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search

Dear Group,

Had an odd thing happen today. I've been working on learning ASP to help
out a client of mine. She wants a few small customizations to this huge
application -- just under 800 ASP pages.

I wanted to determine which of the ASP pages contained a reference to a
field in one of her SQL Server tables; so I thought I'd use good old
Windows XP Search to find the word "editoremail" in any of the ASP
files. The files are in a folder under C:\Inetpub\wwwroot on my
workstation. I've got IIS and SQL Server installed on it.

Anyway, I know for a fact that that field name is contained in two of
the ASP files in one particular folder. I set Windows Search going...but
it returned only ONE file, and it wasn't even one of the two I knew
about. I couldn't figure out why Search would not find that field name.
I even tried searching for "editormail" including the quotes since
that's how it appears when it's referenced in the ASP
code:

HoldCC = rse("EditorEmail")

I tried using proper capitalization of the word, too. No dice. Search
came back with a completely different ASP file. It's funny, too, because
the file it found is in the same folder as the other two ASP files.

So I thought I'd try Yahoo Desktop Search. I installed it and waited the
half hour or so it took to index my files. But then I found out that it
doesn't do full text searches! It just looks for file names.
Uninstalled that puppy.

Then I tried Google Desktop Search. That claims to be full text. Well,
after it indexed everything, it didn't find a single instance of that
field name either! Uninstalled it.

What's going on here? Any ideas? I mean, ASP files are just plain old
text. I'm baffled.


--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
http://www.swerbach.com
Security Page: http://www.swerbach.com/security
http://sweblog1.blogspot.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 29 01:31:21 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:31:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>

Add this GDS Plugin Larry's Any Text File Indexer, it lets you specify 
extensions to search
There are a couple of dozen of these plugins for various file types
http://desktop.google.com/plugins/indexitall.html
or
http://www.trivex.net/

Download Plug-ins
http://desktop.google.com/plugins.html

 
You might want to check here how to do reindexing without a reinstall
http://users.tns.net/~skingery/firefox/GDS_Tips.html#thirdtools

Also GDS only indexes the first 5000 words in a text file less on some 
other file types

By the way I have an access mdb that takes GDS and puts it output into 
an xml file
It is just an xmlhttp of a localhost url after you lookup the license 
key in the registry
sort of
'http://localhost:4664/search&s=1ftR7c_hVZKYvuYS-RWnFHk91Z0?q=Google+myoddtext&format=xml

but I have found a bug in the output UTF-8 xml. The xml GDS generates 
doesn't properly encoded
some odd MS Windows typographical characters like TM trademark which 
screws up MS xml parsers
I still have to write some workarounds.



Steve Erbach wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>Had an odd thing happen today. I've been working on learning ASP to
>help out a client of mine. She wants a few small customizations to
>this huge application -- just under 800 ASP pages.
>
>I wanted to determine which of the ASP pages contained a reference to
>a field in one of her SQL Server tables; so I thought I'd use good old
>Windows XP Search to find the word "editoremail" in any of the ASP
>files. The files are in a folder under C:\Inetpub\wwwroot on my
>workstation. I've got IIS and SQL Server installed on it.
>
>Anyway, I know for a fact that that field name is contained in two of
>the ASP files in one particular folder. I set Windows Search
>going...but it returned only ONE file, and it wasn't even one of the
>two I knew about. I couldn't figure out why Search would not find that
>field name. I even tried searching for "editormail" including the
>quotes since that's how it appears when it's referenced in the ASP
>code:
>
>HoldCC = rse("EditorEmail")
>
>I tried using proper capitalization of the word, too. No dice. Search
>came back with a completely different ASP file. It's funny, too,
>because the file it found is in the same folder as the other two ASP
>files.
>
>So I thought I'd try Yahoo Desktop Search. I installed it and waited
>the half hour or so it took to index my files. But then I found out
>that it doesn't do full text searches! It just looks for file names.
>Uninstalled that puppy.
>
>Then I tried Google Desktop Search. That claims to be full text. Well,
>after it indexed everything, it didn't find a single instance of that
>field name either! Uninstalled it.
>
>What's going on here? Any ideas? I mean, ASP files are just plain old
>text. I'm baffled.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:14:50 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:14:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050329161429b66c41@mail.gmail.com>

I use google destop search w/ the added 3rd party plugin to do full
text file indexing, I find my .sql .bas and .vbs keywords instantly,
not to mention because I have to use outlook here as well, I also
search my outlook email via Google desktop search... it's by far the
best tool I've used so far, the only thing it doesn't do is network
drives.  I'm waiting for someone to write a plugin to cover that
problem :)


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:33:54 -0600, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Group,
> 
> Had an odd thing happen today. I've been working on learning ASP to
> help out a client of mine. She wants a few small customizations to
> this huge application -- just under 800 ASP pages.
> 
> I wanted to determine which of the ASP pages contained a reference to
> a field in one of her SQL Server tables; so I thought I'd use good old
> Windows XP Search to find the word "editoremail" in any of the ASP
> files. The files are in a folder under C:\Inetpub\wwwroot on my
> workstation. I've got IIS and SQL Server installed on it.
> 
> Anyway, I know for a fact that that field name is contained in two of
> the ASP files in one particular folder. I set Windows Search
> going...but it returned only ONE file, and it wasn't even one of the
> two I knew about. I couldn't figure out why Search would not find that
> field name. I even tried searching for "editormail" including the
> quotes since that's how it appears when it's referenced in the ASP
> code:
> 
> HoldCC = rse("EditorEmail")
> 
> I tried using proper capitalization of the word, too. No dice. Search
> came back with a completely different ASP file. It's funny, too,
> because the file it found is in the same folder as the other two ASP
> files.
> 
> So I thought I'd try Yahoo Desktop Search. I installed it and waited
> the half hour or so it took to index my files. But then I found out
> that it doesn't do full text searches! It just looks for file names.
> Uninstalled that puppy.
> 
> Then I tried Google Desktop Search. That claims to be full text. Well,
> after it indexed everything, it didn't find a single instance of that
> field name either! Uninstalled it.
> 
> What's going on here? Any ideas? I mean, ASP files are just plain old
> text. I'm baffled.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> http://www.swerbach.com
> Security Page: http://www.swerbach.com/security
> http://sweblog1.blogspot.com
> _______________________________________________
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> 


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From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:23:53 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:23:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC68C@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC68C@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050329162313ab4652@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,

I'm using VIsual Studio .NET 2003. I had trouble figuring out how to
search a bunch of ASP files starting in a project folder.

It just bakes my noodle that plain old Windows Search didn't find what
I expected it to find.

Steve Erbach


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:12:37 +0930, Haslett, Andrew
<andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au> wrote:
> It doesn't matter what format the asp files are, index engines will
> generally only search within files that have certain extensions - I
> assume .asp isn't on their lists by default, although I imagine a number
> of them would be configurable.
> 
> Most editors, such as Dreamweaver, Visual Studio etc, will definitely
> search within project files such as asp etc.
> 
> What editor are you using?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:23:53 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:23:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC68C@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC68C@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050329162313ab4652@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,

I'm using VIsual Studio .NET 2003. I had trouble figuring out how to
search a bunch of ASP files starting in a project folder.

It just bakes my noodle that plain old Windows Search didn't find what
I expected it to find.

Steve Erbach


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:12:37 +0930, Haslett, Andrew
<andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au> wrote:
> It doesn't matter what format the asp files are, index engines will
> generally only search within files that have certain extensions - I
> assume .asp isn't on their lists by default, although I imagine a number
> of them would be configurable.
> 
> Most editors, such as Dreamweaver, Visual Studio etc, will definitely
> search within project files such as asp etc.
> 
> What editor are you using?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:25:37 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:25:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305032916254ce7fe9b@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

What does GDS stand for?

Steve Erbach


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:31:21 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Add this GDS Plugin Larry's Any Text File Indexer, it lets you specify
> extensions to search
> There are a couple of dozen of these plugins for various file types
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins/indexitall.html
> or
> http://www.trivex.net/
> 
> Download Plug-ins
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins.html
> 
> You might want to check here how to do reindexing without a reinstall
> http://users.tns.net/~skingery/firefox/GDS_Tips.html#thirdtools
> 
> Also GDS only indexes the first 5000 words in a text file less on some
> other file types
> 
> By the way I have an access mdb that takes GDS and puts it output into
> an xml file
> It is just an xmlhttp of a localhost url after you lookup the license
> key in the registry
> sort of
> 'http://localhost:4664/search&s=1ftR7c_hVZKYvuYS-RWnFHk91Z0?q=Google+myoddtext&format=xml
> 
> but I have found a bug in the output UTF-8 xml. The xml GDS generates
> doesn't properly encoded
> some odd MS Windows typographical characters like TM trademark which
> screws up MS xml parsers
> I still have to write some workarounds.
> 
> 
> Steve Erbach wrote:


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:26:06 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:26:06 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30503291626baa035f@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

Never mind: Google Desktop Search.

Steve Erbach


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:31:21 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Add this GDS Plugin Larry's Any Text File Indexer, it lets you specify
> extensions to search
> There are a couple of dozen of these plugins for various file types
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins/indexitall.html
> or
> http://www.trivex.net/


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:26:50 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:26:50 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <b874372a050329161429b66c41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a050329161429b66c41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30503291626dc7a757@mail.gmail.com>

Francisco,

Thank you, I'll give it a try!

Steve Erbach


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:14:50 -0800, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use google destop search w/ the added 3rd party plugin to do full
> text file indexing, I find my .sql .bas and .vbs keywords instantly,
> not to mention because I have to use outlook here as well, I also
> search my outlook email via Google desktop search... it's by far the
> best tool I've used so far, the only thing it doesn't do is network
> drives.  I'm waiting for someone to write a plugin to cover that
> problem :)
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 30 04:12:14 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:12:14 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
Message-ID: <s24a97b7.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

Let me guess: Google Desktop Search?
Or: Global Dositioning System?

/gustav

>>> erbachs at gmail.com 03/30 2:25 am >>>
Marty,

What does GDS stand for?



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 30 04:14:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:14:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
Message-ID: <s24a984f.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

I often find that Windows Search acts strange - even when searching for
filenames.
Then I open a DOS box and use Dir .. /s. 
Oh well, but much faster.

/gustav

>>> erbachs at gmail.com 03/30 2:23 am >>>
Andrew,

I'm using VIsual Studio .NET 2003. I had trouble figuring out how to
search a bunch of ASP files starting in a project folder.

It just bakes my noodle that plain old Windows Search didn't find what
I expected it to find.



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Mar 30 11:39:21 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:39:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recursion quotation source
In-Reply-To: <42488FF5.9020605@rogers.com>
References: <e04a6c920502070500268f4636@mail.gmail.com>
	<42488FF5.9020605@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <424AE449.4030209@rogers.com>

Does anyone know who said, "In order to understand recursion, you must 
first understand recursion?"

Hoping...
Arthur

>


-- 
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 12:23:24 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:23:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recursion quotation source
In-Reply-To: <424AE449.4030209@rogers.com>
References: <e04a6c920502070500268f4636@mail.gmail.com>
	<42488FF5.9020605@rogers.com> <424AE449.4030209@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050330102355e7e0dc@mail.gmail.com>

this was the best reference I could find...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:39:21 -0500, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know who said, "In order to understand recursion, you must
> first understand recursion?"
> 
> Hoping...
> Arthur
> 
> >
> 
> --
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> 
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 15:58:40 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:58:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <s24a984f.060@cactus.dk>
References: <s24a984f.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050330135854719a50@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

Oh, I don't mind using DOS for something like this, but the results
aren't as convenient as Windows Search or GDS. I've got GDS installed
now with one of the add-ons, and it does what it's supposed to do!

Steve Erbach


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:14:35 +0200, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> I often find that Windows Search acts strange - even when searching for
> filenames.
> Then I open a DOS box and use Dir .. /s.
> Oh well, but much faster.
> 
> /gustav


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 15:59:33 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:59:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30503281733a8b7fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<42490449.8080801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30503301359edad0aa@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

Installed it and, after indexing, works just dandy. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:31:21 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Add this GDS Plugin Larry's Any Text File Indexer, it lets you specify
> extensions to search
> There are a couple of dozen of these plugins for various file types
> http://desktop.google.com/plugins/indexitall.html
> or
> http://www.trivex.net/


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 30 16:57:07 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:57:07 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recursion quotation source
In-Reply-To: <b874372a050330102355e7e0dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <424AE449.4030209@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <424BBB63.18573.27BBA642@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Mar 2005 at 10:23, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> this was the best reference I could find...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:39:21 -0500, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know who said, "In order to understand recursion, you must
> > first understand recursion?"
> > 

I came across this one attributing it to Andrew Koenig:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MomentOfUnderstanding
-- 
Stuart




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 30 17:02:05 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:02:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recursion quotation source
References: <e04a6c920502070500268f4636@mail.gmail.com>
	<42488FF5.9020605@rogers.com> <424AE449.4030209@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <424B2FED.6000203@shaw.ca>

That is all very well, but there is an absence of the termination condition.

Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Does anyone know who said, "In order to understand recursion, you must 
> first understand recursion?"
>
> Hoping...
> Arthur
>
>>
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 30 17:40:22 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:40:22 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
References: <39cb22f305032714563358f3b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424B38E6.7080700@shaw.ca>

Just a word of warning about some of this, you will run into it at some 
point in time since Unicode files can be UTF-8 or UTF-16.
There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4 
character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on (  
and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and are 
understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support utf-8 
and would not be able to understand the corresponding unicode 
&#bignumber; representations. These have been around from before the 
Unicode standard was set.

Now if you consider the Western European "MS-Windows" character set, 
windows-1252. This is a special cause of confusion: all of the 
displayable character code values of iso-8859-1 coincide with the same 
codes in this Windows code - but additionally, the Windows code assigns 
displayable characters in the area which the iso-8859-n codes reserved 
for control functions. In unicode, those characters have code values 
above 256.

I am scratching my head about this because these windows typographical 
characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are considered illegal 
characters in XML
for example " decimal 153 hex 99 and should be unicode escaped character 
"&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do this conversion.
properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I am 
almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16.

The windows control characters that cause the problem run from ANSI 
decimal 128-159.

If that isn't enough some little darlings changed the ISO-8859-1 spec to 
handle the Euro character and you now have to look at Latin-9 or ISO-8859-15

I still haven't groked all this yet. I still have to hunt through xml 
files with a hexeditor to see what is going on..

Steve Erbach wrote:

>I had been wondering how to insert Unicode characters into a document.
>There's a nifty web site (
>http://www.visibone.com/htmlref/char/cer.htm ) that shows the HTML
>numeric codes for the entire Unicode set. I then went into Microsoft
>Word 2003 and found that if you know the hexadecimal number for a
>Unicode character (265B, for example) then all you have to do is type
>that number and press Alt-X, and the number will be converted to the
>Unicode character, in this case, a Black chess Queen.
>
>There's also the entire Unicode set in Word under Insert | Symbol. The
>Symbols tab has a Font list. I picked the Arial Unicode MS font. There
>is another drop down list with "subsets" of the Unicode list. So you
>could jump to Miscellaneous Dingbats and locate the Black Chess Queen
>that way.
>
>The Alt-X shortcut works in Word, WordPad, and Windows Messenger, but
>not in Access.
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 31 02:49:16 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
Message-ID: <s24bd5bf.073@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

Thanks. Yes it seems like I should have a look at that GDS thingy.

/gustav

>>> erbachs at gmail.com 03/30 11:58 pm >>>
Gustav,

Oh, I don't mind using DOS for something like this, but the results
aren't as convenient as Windows Search or GDS. I've got GDS installed
now with one of the add-ons, and it does what it's supposed to do!

Steve Erbach


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:14:35 +0200, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> I often find that Windows Search acts strange - even when searching
for
> filenames.
> Then I open a DOS box and use Dir .. /s.
> Oh well, but much faster.
> 
> /gustav



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Mar 31 03:41:11 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:41:11 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5973@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hummpff...

It's incredible, I sometimes still do receive mailings (paper) where
accented character are replaced by other...

New technology same problems, over and over and over again since I'm in
IT (since MS-DOS 1.1).
I suggest we finaly get rid of these reoccuring language problems and
give a free course for every earthling so we would all speak and write
the same language.

Ofcourse aliens whom would consider livig on earth are obligated to
follow the free course too.

:-)

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned

Just a word of warning about some of this, you will run into it at some
point in time since Unicode files can be UTF-8 or UTF-16.
There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4
character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on ( 
and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and are
understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support utf-8
and would not be able to understand the corresponding unicode
&#bignumber; representations. These have been around from before the
Unicode standard was set.

Now if you consider the Western European "MS-Windows" character set,
windows-1252. This is a special cause of confusion: all of the
displayable character code values of iso-8859-1 coincide with the same
codes in this Windows code - but additionally, the Windows code assigns
displayable characters in the area which the iso-8859-n codes reserved
for control functions. In unicode, those characters have code values
above 256.

I am scratching my head about this because these windows typographical
characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are considered illegal
characters in XML for example " decimal 153 hex 99 and should be unicode
escaped character "&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do
this conversion.
properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I am
almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16.

The windows control characters that cause the problem run from ANSI
decimal 128-159.

If that isn't enough some little darlings changed the ISO-8859-1 spec to
handle the Euro character and you now have to look at Latin-9 or
ISO-8859-15

I still haven't groked all this yet. I still have to hunt through xml
files with a hexeditor to see what is going on..

Steve Erbach wrote:

>I had been wondering how to insert Unicode characters into a document.
>There's a nifty web site (
>http://www.visibone.com/htmlref/char/cer.htm ) that shows the HTML 
>numeric codes for the entire Unicode set. I then went into Microsoft 
>Word 2003 and found that if you know the hexadecimal number for a 
>Unicode character (265B, for example) then all you have to do is type 
>that number and press Alt-X, and the number will be converted to the 
>Unicode character, in this case, a Black chess Queen.
>
>There's also the entire Unicode set in Word under Insert | Symbol. The 
>Symbols tab has a Font list. I picked the Arial Unicode MS font. There 
>is another drop down list with "subsets" of the Unicode list. So you 
>could jump to Miscellaneous Dingbats and locate the Black Chess Queen 
>that way.
>
>The Alt-X shortcut works in Word, WordPad, and Windows Messenger, but 
>not in Access.
>
>  
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:15:32 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:15:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5973@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5973@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305033106152bf91b8d@mail.gmail.com>

Erwin,

>> Ofcourse aliens whom would consider livig on earth are obligated to
follow the free course too. <<

I resemble that remark!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:41:11 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> Hummpff...
> 
> It's incredible, I sometimes still do receive mailings (paper) where
> accented character are replaced by other...
> 
> New technology same problems, over and over and over again since I'm in
> IT (since MS-DOS 1.1).
> I suggest we finaly get rid of these reoccuring language problems and
> give a free course for every earthling so we would all speak and write
> the same language.
> 
> Ofcourse aliens whom would consider livig on earth are obligated to
> follow the free course too.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Erwin


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:27:46 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:27:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
In-Reply-To: <424B38E6.7080700@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f305032714563358f3b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<424B38E6.7080700@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050331062711706666@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

>> There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4
character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on (

and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and
are understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support
utf-8 <<

Interesting. I'm using Gmail and the first two characters you typed in
within the parentheses showed up as little boxes. You're right about
the lack of universality. Gmail tells me that JavaScript is NOT
enabled in Firefox when I know for a fact that it is...hmmm.

>> I am scratching my head about this because these windows
typographical characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are
considered illegal characters in XML for example " decimal 153 hex 99
and should be unicode escaped character
"&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do this conversion.
properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I
am almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16. <<

I've seen a similar thing in an XML file I've been downloading lately.
I now devote some computer resources to the search for Riemann
hypothesis zeroes, one of those multiple computer shared resource
things. Anyway, the website (zetagrid.net) publishes stats on who's
produced the most zeroes over a period of time. Well, one of those
lists has a &#26; character in it -- Ctrl-Z -- which Access chokes on
when I try to import the XML file. My XML editor (Peter's XML Editor)
finds the naughty character and I can erase it and re-save the file.

I take it that you work much more extensively with Unicode than I do
in my piddly little efforts.

Steve Erbach


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:40:22 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Just a word of warning about some of this, you will run into it at some
> point in time since Unicode files can be UTF-8 or UTF-16.
> There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4
> character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on ( 
> and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and are
> understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support utf-8
> and would not be able to understand the corresponding unicode
> &#bignumber; representations. These have been around from before the
> Unicode standard was set.
> 
> Now if you consider the Western European "MS-Windows" character set,
> windows-1252. This is a special cause of confusion: all of the
> displayable character code values of iso-8859-1 coincide with the same
> codes in this Windows code - but additionally, the Windows code assigns
> displayable characters in the area which the iso-8859-n codes reserved
> for control functions. In unicode, those characters have code values
> above 256.
> 
> I am scratching my head about this because these windows typographical
> characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are considered illegal
> characters in XML
> for example " decimal 153 hex 99 and should be unicode escaped character
> "&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do this conversion.
> properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I am
> almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16.
> 
> The windows control characters that cause the problem run from ANSI
> decimal 128-159.
> 
> If that isn't enough some little darlings changed the ISO-8859-1 spec to
> handle the Euro character and you now have to look at Latin-9 or ISO-8859-15
> 
> I still haven't groked all this yet. I still have to hunt through xml
> files with a hexeditor to see what is going on..


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:30:41 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:30:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Search
In-Reply-To: <s24bd5bf.073@cactus.dk>
References: <s24bd5bf.073@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305033106306e6c4beb@mail.gmail.com>

[Gasp!] Gustav Brock thanking little old me?!?!?!?! I'm blushing!

Steve Erbach


On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:16 +0200, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> Thanks. Yes it seems like I should have a look at that GDS thingy.
> 
> /gustav


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:32:05 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:32:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
In-Reply-To: <000d01c52fc5$adb83300$123a11d8@danwaters>
References: <000d01c52fc5$adb83300$123a11d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <39cb22f305033106323fcc39c7@mail.gmail.com>

Dan,

You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Hello to everyone!
> 
> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP (at
> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase? Who
> sells them?  Who has good prices?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 11:00:09 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:00:09 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
References: <000d01c52fc5$adb83300$123a11d8@danwaters>
	<39cb22f305033106323fcc39c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01be01c53613$19084ca0$6401a8c0@HAL9004>

Dan:

Don't know if this is a solution for you but I just bought the Action Pak 
and it's good for 10 licenses of Office 2003 Pro and Windows XP Pro as well 
as containing about 30 other products including SQL server.

Cost was $300.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses


> Dan,
>
> You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hello to everyone!
>>
>> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP 
>> (at
>> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase? 
>> Who
>> sells them?  Who has good prices?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dan Waters
>>
>> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Mar 31 11:03:43 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:03:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
In-Reply-To: <16448589.1112279655520.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c53613$9888d530$123a11d8@danwaters>

Thanks, Steve.

But - realcheapsoftware.com no longer exists.  I did check eBay, but
actually couldn't find what seemed to be a new legitimate copy.

Dan Waters
ProMation Systems, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses

Dan,

You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
wrote:
> Hello to everyone!
> 
> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP
(at
> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase? Who
> sells them?  Who has good prices?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Mar 31 11:33:30 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:33:30 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
In-Reply-To: <6083603.1112288484044.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000601c53617$c1744f20$123a11d8@danwaters>

Rocky - that would absolutely work for me!

Where did you buy that from?

Dan Waters
ProMation Systems, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses

Dan:

Don't know if this is a solution for you but I just bought the Action Pak 
and it's good for 10 licenses of Office 2003 Pro and Windows XP Pro as well 
as containing about 30 other products including SQL server.

Cost was $300.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses


> Dan,
>
> You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hello to everyone!
>>
>> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP 
>> (at
>> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase? 
>> Who
>> sells them?  Who has good prices?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dan Waters
>>
>> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 11:36:26 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
In-Reply-To: <000601c53617$c1744f20$123a11d8@danwaters>
References: <6083603.1112288484044.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
	<000601c53617$c1744f20$123a11d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <aea6c495050331093636f2b164@mail.gmail.com>

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40009735



On Mar 31, 2005 11:33 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Rocky - that would absolutely work for me!
> 
> Where did you buy that from?
> 
> Dan Waters
> ProMation Systems, Inc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
> 
> Dan:
> 
> Don't know if this is a solution for you but I just bought the Action Pak
> and it's good for 10 licenses of Office 2003 Pro and Windows XP Pro as well
> as containing about 30 other products including SQL server.
> 
> Cost was $300.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
> 
> > Dan,
> >
> > You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Hello to everyone!
> >>
> >> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP
> >> (at
> >> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase?
> >> Who
> >> sells them?  Who has good prices?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Dan Waters
> >>
> >> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 31 12:09:21 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
References: <39cb22f305032714563358f3b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<424B38E6.7080700@shaw.ca> <39cb22f3050331062711706666@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424C3CD1.7080801@shaw.ca>

Here are some snippets you may find useful for xml
Multilingual xml test files with phrases of quick brown fox variety

I like the german one
"Falsches ?ben von Xylophonmusik qu?lt jeden gr??eren Zwerg"
"Wrongful practicing of xylophone music tortures every larger dwarf"

http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/xmltest/testUTF-8.xml
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/xmltest/testUTF-16.xml
To play around you will need the files with proper BOM markers.
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/xmltest/testUTF-16.zip

This snippet converts a UTF-8 Unicode File to UTF-16 Unicode file.
Actually it will convert to various ISO 8859 encodings as well just 
change the charsets.
physically dropping the bad characters, you will have to change the xml 
encoding instruction at the start of  the output file
manually or via replace code. see the url for method

Sub ReadUTF8SaveFileInUTF16test(strfilepath As String)
'1/2 ReadToFile / SaveToFile snippet
'http://www.codeproject.com/soap/XMJFileStreaming.asp?msg=841289&mode=all&userid=903408#xx767979xx
'drops bad characters in xml entities like hex bb or 99 raquo or trademark
Dim stm As ADODB.Stream
Dim strPath As String
Dim strData As String
  Set stm = New ADODB.Stream
  stm.Open
  stm.Charset = "UTF-8"
  stm.Position = 0
  stm.Type = adTypeText
  'stm.LoadFromFile strfilepath
  stm.LoadFromFile "C:\SOAP\GoogleSoap\testgds4uni.xml"
   ' if you just try and dump out stream
   ' without reading and writing you get double BOM marker
   stm.Position = 0
   strData = stm.ReadText()
   Debug.Print strData
   stm.Position = 0
   'the charset names are listed in registry, you may have to check for 
spelling and case.
'The character set names for the machine are in the registry
'For a list of the character set strings that is known by a system, see
'the subkeys of HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Charset
'in the Windows Registry.
   stm.Charset = "Unicode" '"UTF-8" '"Unicode" ' "Unicode" '"ascii" 
'"Big5" '"hebrew" "ISO-8859-1"
   stm.WriteText (strData)
   stm.SaveToFile "C:\SOAP\GoogleSoap\testgds4unifin.xml", 
adSaveCreateOverWrite
 stm.Close
 Set stm = Nothing
End Sub

Here is some useful  test code for xml parsing errors that displays the 
actual bad xml character in an error report.
I got tired of seeing bad character  Line 110 character 78 then having 
to scroll through the xml to find it.

Sub testgdsxmlerror()
  Dim xNodes As MSXML2.IXMLDOMNodeList
    Dim xNode As MSXML2.IXMLDOMElement
 Dim objxml As MSXML2.DOMDocument40
 Dim oXMLError As IXMLDOMParseError
 Dim strxmlfilepath As String
   strxmlfilepath = "C:\SOAP\GoogleSoap\source.xml"
 CheckBOM (strxmlfilepath)
 Set objxml = CreateObject("Msxml2.DOMDocument")
 objxml.Load (strxmlfilepath)
 If objxml.parseError.errorCode <> 0 Then
    Debug.Print " Reason: " & objxml.parseError.reason
    Set oXMLError = objxml.parseError

            reportParseError oXMLError
    Else
    Debug.Print strxmlfilepath & " file OK"
End If
 objxml.SetProperty "SelectionNamespaces", 
"xmlns:xsl='http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform'"
 objxml.SetProperty "SelectionLanguage", "XPath"
 
     Set xNode = objxml.selectSingleNode("/results[@count]")
       Debug.Print xNode.getAttribute("count")
       MsgBox xNode.XML
End Sub

Public Function reportParseError(err As IXMLDOMParseError)
'this is not setup to count tabs used as whitespace
  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To err.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & err.URL & vbCrLf & " * " & err.reason
  Debug.Print r
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting on screen
  If (err.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & err.Line & ", character " & err.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         err.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
  Debug.Print "url=" & err.URL & vbCrLf
  End Function

'determine 2 or 3 byte BOM marker at file beginning

Sub CheckBOM(Optional strFileIn As Variant, Optional strIn As Variant)
'checkbom "C:\XML\Gil Encodings\encUTF8_NoDecl.xml"
On Error GoTo Err_handler
Dim strInputData As String * 4
Dim lpBuffer() As Byte
Dim intFreeFile As Integer

  If Not IsMissing(strFileIn) Then
    intFreeFile = FreeFile
    Open strFileIn For Binary Access Read Lock Read As #intFreeFile Len = 4
    ReDim lpBuffer(4)
    Get #intFreeFile, , lpBuffer
    Close #intFreeFile
  ElseIf Not IsMissing(strIn) Then
    'Can't makes this work since VBA is always converting the string to 
UTF-16LE
    lpBuffer = Left$(strIn, 4)
  Else
    MsgBox "Nothing To Do"
    Exit Sub
  End If
 
  If lpBuffer(0) = 255 And lpBuffer(1) = 254 Then
    Debug.Print "File is UTF-16 Little Endian"
  ElseIf lpBuffer(0) = 254 And lpBuffer(1) = 255 Then
    Debug.Print "File is UTF-16 Big Endian"
  ElseIf lpBuffer(0) = 239 And lpBuffer(1) = 187 And lpBuffer(2) = 191 Then
    Debug.Print "File is UTF-8"
  'Start trying to figure out by other means this will only work on xml 
files that start with "<?"
  ElseIf lpBuffer(0) = 60 And lpBuffer(1) = 0 And lpBuffer(2) = 63 And 
lpBuffer(3) = 0 Then
    Debug.Print "File is UTF-16 Little Endian"
  ElseIf lpBuffer(0) = 0 And lpBuffer(1) = 60 And lpBuffer(2) = 0 And 
lpBuffer(3) = 63 Then
    Debug.Print "File is UTF-16 Big Endian"
  ElseIf lpBuffer(0) = 69 And lpBuffer(1) = 63 Then
    Debug.Print "File can be in UTF-8, ASCII, ISO-8859-?, Shift-JIS, etc"
  Else
    Debug.Print "Can't seem to figure out the Character encoding"
  End If

Err_Exit:
  On Error Resume Next
  Close #intFreeFile
  Exit Sub
Err_handler:
  Select Case err.Number
  Case Else
    MsgBox err.Number & " - " & err.Description
  End Select
  Resume Err_Exit:
End Sub


Steve Erbach wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  
>
>>>There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4
>>>      
>>>
>character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on (
>
>and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and
>are understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support
>utf-8 <<
>
>Interesting. I'm using Gmail and the first two characters you typed in
>within the parentheses showed up as little boxes. You're right about
>the lack of universality. Gmail tells me that JavaScript is NOT
>enabled in Firefox when I know for a fact that it is...hmmm.
>
>  
>
>>>I am scratching my head about this because these windows
>>>      
>>>
>typographical characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are
>considered illegal characters in XML for example " decimal 153 hex 99
>and should be unicode escaped character
>"&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do this conversion.
>properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I
>am almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16. <<
>
>I've seen a similar thing in an XML file I've been downloading lately.
>I now devote some computer resources to the search for Riemann
>hypothesis zeroes, one of those multiple computer shared resource
>things. Anyway, the website (zetagrid.net) publishes stats on who's
>produced the most zeroes over a period of time. Well, one of those
>lists has a &#26; character in it -- Ctrl-Z -- which Access chokes on
>when I try to import the XML file. My XML editor (Peter's XML Editor)
>finds the naughty character and I can erase it and re-save the file.
>
>I take it that you work much more extensively with Unicode than I do
>in my piddly little efforts.
>
>Steve Erbach
>
>
>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:40:22 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>  
>
>>Just a word of warning about some of this, you will run into it at some
>>point in time since Unicode files can be UTF-8 or UTF-16.
>>There are the Windows typographic characters known by their HTML4
>>character entity names, such as &mdash;, &lsquo;, &trade; and so on ( 
>>and " emdash etc.). These have in fact been around for a while, and are
>>understood even by a number of older browsers that do not support utf-8
>>and would not be able to understand the corresponding unicode
>>&#bignumber; representations. These have been around from before the
>>Unicode standard was set.
>>
>>Now if you consider the Western European "MS-Windows" character set,
>>windows-1252. This is a special cause of confusion: all of the
>>displayable character code values of iso-8859-1 coincide with the same
>>codes in this Windows code - but additionally, the Windows code assigns
>>displayable characters in the area which the iso-8859-n codes reserved
>>for control functions. In unicode, those characters have code values
>>above 256.
>>
>>I am scratching my head about this because these windows typographical
>>characters ANSI 128 -159 as control characters are considered illegal
>>characters in XML
>>for example " decimal 153 hex 99 and should be unicode escaped character
>>"&#8482;" but some UTF-8 conversion programs don't do this conversion.
>>properly so it screws up your xml parsers with illegal characters. I am
>>almost tempted to do everything in UTF-16.
>>
>>The windows control characters that cause the problem run from ANSI
>>decimal 128-159.
>>
>>If that isn't enough some little darlings changed the ISO-8859-1 spec to
>>handle the Euro character and you now have to look at Latin-9 or ISO-8859-15
>>
>>I still haven't groked all this yet. I still have to hunt through xml
>>files with a hexeditor to see what is going on..
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar 31 12:44:22 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:44:22 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
References: <000601c53617$c1744f20$123a11d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <02cd01c53621$a7d741d0$6401a8c0@HAL9004>

Right from Microsoft:

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40009735

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses


> Rocky - that would absolutely work for me!
>
> Where did you buy that from?
>
> Dan Waters
> ProMation Systems, Inc.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
>
> Dan:
>
> Don't know if this is a solution for you but I just bought the Action Pak
> and it's good for 10 licenses of Office 2003 Pro and Windows XP Pro as 
> well
> as containing about 30 other products including SQL server.
>
> Cost was $300.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Purchase Access XP Licenses
>
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> You may want to check Ebay or a place like realcheapsoftware.com.
>>
>> Steve Erbach
>> Neenah, WI
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:30:39 -0600, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hello to everyone!
>>>
>>> I have a client who may need to purchase several licenses for Access XP
>>> (at
>>> least that's one option).  Does MS still sell these?  How to purchase?
>>> Who
>>> sells them?  Who has good prices?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Dan Waters
>>>
>>> www.promationsystems.com <http://www.promationsystems.com/>
>>>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 16:20:40 2005
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:20:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Something I just learned
In-Reply-To: <424C3CD1.7080801@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f305032714563358f3b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<424B38E6.7080700@shaw.ca> <39cb22f3050331062711706666@mail.gmail.com>
	<424C3CD1.7080801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f3050331142048bff19c@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

Thanks for the good laugh ("every larger dwarf") and for the code. My
interest in Unicode and XML is growing but still a sideline. ASP and
ASP.NET are my biggest areas of interest (confuser-wise) at the
moment.

Steve Erbach


On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:21 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Here are some snippets you may find useful for xml
> Multilingual xml test files with phrases of quick brown fox variety
> 
> I like the german one
> "Falsches ?ben von Xylophonmusik qu?lt jeden gr??eren Zwerg"
> "Wrongful practicing of xylophone music tortures every larger dwarf"