From artful at rogers.com Sun Oct 2 14:31:25 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:31:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips In-Reply-To: <200510010201.j9121bT20977@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200510021931.j92JVPT26325@databaseadvisors.com> I would guess that one cannot upgrade a 32-bit motherboard with a 64-bit chip. This would imply that I demote my existing 32-bit boxes to mail-server, ftp-server and such, and replace them on the development stage with authentic ground-up 64-bit boxes. Is this correct, or is there any point in attempting to salvage and re-use old hardware.... TIA, Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Oct 2 14:37:21 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:37:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips In-Reply-To: AAAAABsJvBKnNblJpukl/8GF+DREHyUA Message-ID: <001e01c5c788$b4deb0e0$0200a8c0@jt2> Don't know about that for certain, but don't forget that you're definitely going to need the 64-bit version of Windows... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 02 October 2005 20:31 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips I would guess that one cannot upgrade a 32-bit motherboard with a 64-bit chip. This would imply that I demote my existing 32-bit boxes to mail-server, ftp-server and such, and replace them on the development stage with authentic ground-up 64-bit boxes. Is this correct, or is there any point in attempting to salvage and re-use old hardware.... TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jim.moss at jlmoss.net Sun Oct 2 14:36:42 2005 From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips In-Reply-To: <001e01c5c788$b4deb0e0$0200a8c0@jt2> References: AAAAABsJvBKnNblJpukl/8GF+DREHyUA <001e01c5c788$b4deb0e0$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <8366.65.196.182.34.1128281802.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Jon, I have Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 32 bit version running on an Athlon 64 without a hitch since last January. Jim > Don't know about that for certain, but don't forget that you're definitely > going to need the 64-bit version of Windows... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 02 October 2005 20:31 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips > > I would guess that one cannot upgrade a 32-bit motherboard with a 64-bit > chip. This would imply that I demote my existing 32-bit boxes to > mail-server, ftp-server and such, and replace them on the development > stage > with authentic ground-up 64-bit boxes. Is this correct, or is there any > point in attempting to salvage and re-use old hardware.... > TIA, > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jim.moss at jlmoss.net Sun Oct 2 14:47:32 2005 From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips In-Reply-To: <200510021931.j92JVPT26325@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200510010201.j9121bT20977@databaseadvisors.com> <200510021931.j92JVPT26325@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8368.65.196.182.34.1128282452.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Arthur, You can reuse all of the hardware on a new system except the CPU and motherboard, but do you really want to? When doing upgrades of main board and CPU I like to take advantage of faster memory, etc. The only thing peculiar to using 64 bit hardware is the cpu and main board in the Athlon 64 series. I don't know but think that Opteron may be different, and also Intel's server class cpu. Jim > I would guess that one cannot upgrade a 32-bit motherboard with a 64-bit > chip. This would imply that I demote my existing 32-bit boxes to > mail-server, ftp-server and such, and replace them on the development > stage > with authentic ground-up 64-bit boxes. Is this correct, or is there any > point in attempting to salvage and re-use old hardware.... > TIA, > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darsant at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 17:23:02 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:23:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64-bit chips In-Reply-To: <200510021931.j92JVPT26325@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200510010201.j9121bT20977@databaseadvisors.com> <200510021931.j92JVPT26325@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510021523l6fe852bcu77126dded76cd62@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I would guess that one cannot upgrade a 32-bit motherboard with a 64-bit > chip. This would imply that I demote my existing 32-bit boxes to > mail-server, ftp-server and such, and replace them on the development stage > with authentic ground-up 64-bit boxes. Is this correct, or is there any > point in attempting to salvage and re-use old hardware.... > TIA, > Arthur Correct. On the AMD side, 64-bit processors use a different socket type than the 32-bits. Now, as far as development goes, there's nothing to say you can't develop on a 32-bit and use it on a 64-bit or vice versa. As a side note, you don't need a new version of Windows. XP Home works with 1 64-bit processor, and XP Pro works with 2 64bit processors. It treats each as if it was "Hyper-threading" enabled, and allows you specify which logical processor you want to run processes / threads on. There's no real new schema increase other than the socket type (and PCI Express on some boards) so other than that the old hardware should be reusable. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From artful at rogers.com Mon Oct 3 14:41:20 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:41:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510021523l6fe852bcu77126dded76cd62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510031941.j93JfKT18915@databaseadvisors.com> Now that I have accepted my tests with GMail, I would like to redirect all my mail to my GMail account, rather than re-create directories etc. there and un-sub then re-sub from there. My current client is Outlook 2003. Is there an easy way to redirect all incoming mail to Gmail and delete the local receives? TIA, Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 14:52:11 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:52:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <200510031941.j93JfKT18915@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200510031941.j93JfKT18915@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <43418BEB.8050502@earthlink.net> Arthur Fuller wrote: Now that I have accepted my tests with GMail, I would like to redirect all my mail to my GMail account, rather than re-create directories etc. there and un-sub then re-sub from there. My current client is Outlook 2003. Is there an easy way to redirect all incoming mail to Gmail and delete the local receives? http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/. Don't go Julie, don't go. PB > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From darsant at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 15:40:16 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <43418BEB.8050502@earthlink.net> References: <200510031941.j93JfKT18915@databaseadvisors.com> <43418BEB.8050502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510031340k13a67ce4vee561482abbb0003@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: > Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Now that I have accepted my tests with GMail, I would like to redirect all > my mail to my GMail account, rather than re-create directories etc. there > and un-sub then re-sub from there. My current client is Outlook 2003. Is > there an easy way to redirect all incoming mail to Gmail and delete the > local receives? > > http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/. Don't go Julie, don't go. Wow, someone sure has it out for google. Wonder what they think MSN, Yahoo, and the other search engines / free email providers have been doing for a lot longer and proven themselves evil. Also, numerous logical fallacies on the page, but it is quite humorous. I think the thing that amused me the most is people using proxies to search Google. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 16:09:38 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:09:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510031340k13a67ce4vee561482abbb0003@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510031941.j93JfKT18915@databaseadvisors.com> <43418BEB.8050502@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510031340k13a67ce4vee561482abbb0003@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43419E12.8010702@earthlink.net> >Wow, someone sure has it out for google. Wonder what >they think MSN,Yahoo, and the other search engines / >free email providers have been doing for a lot longer >and proven themselves evil. The concerns aren't about 'evil', they're about privacy issues that arise from marketers harvesting info from email. PB ----- Josh McFarlane wrote: >On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: > > >>Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>Now that I have accepted my tests with GMail, I would like to redirect all >>my mail to my GMail account, rather than re-create directories etc. there >>and un-sub then re-sub from there. My current client is Outlook 2003. Is >>there an easy way to redirect all incoming mail to Gmail and delete the >>local receives? >> >>http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/. Don't go Julie, don't go. >> >> > >Wow, someone sure has it out for google. Wonder what they think MSN, >Yahoo, and the other search engines / free email providers have been >doing for a lot longer and proven themselves evil. Also, numerous >logical fallacies on the page, but it is quite humorous. > >I think the thing that amused me the most is people using proxies to >search Google. > >-- >Josh McFarlane > >"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." >-Albert Einstein >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From artful at rogers.com Mon Oct 3 18:51:13 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:51:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <43419E12.8010702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> In what way am I more protected by using rogers.com than gmail.com? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: October 3, 2005 5:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail >Wow, someone sure has it out for google. Wonder what >they think MSN,Yahoo, and the other search engines / >free email providers have been doing for a lot longer >and proven themselves evil. The concerns aren't about 'evil', they're about privacy issues that arise from marketers harvesting info from email. PB From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 21:11:56 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:11:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> Arthur Fuller wrote: >In what way am I more protected by >using rogers.com than gmail.com? Not just you. Anyone who corresponds with you. Does Rogers keep all email forever, build a database of keywords associated with email addresses, let its advertisers mine that db, show it to any government that asks, &c? And are you happy to help Google sell pagerank? If these folks are worried... World Privacy Forum Privacy Rights Clearinghouse and Australian Privacy Foundation Grayson Barber, Privacy Advocate Bits of Freedom (Netherlands) British Columbia Civil Liberties Association (Canada) Calegislation CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering) Roger Clarke, Privacy Research and Advocate (Australia) Consumer Action Consumer Federation of America Consumer Federation of California Consumer Task Force for Automotive Issues Electronic Privacy Information Center Federaci?n de Consumidores en Acci?n (FACUA) (Spain) Foundation for Information Policy Research (United Kingdom) Mari Frank, Esq., Author of Identity Theft Survival Kit Simson L. Garfinkel, Author of Database Nation Edward Hasbrouck, Author and Consumer Advocate Massachusetts Consumer Assistance Council Massachusetts Consumers' Coalition National Association of Consumer Agency Administrators (NACAA) National Consumers League PrivacyActivism Privacy International (United Kingdom) Privacy Rights Now Coalition Privacy Times Private Citizen, Inc. Privaterra (Canada) Public Information Research, Inc. Utility Consumers' Action Network ...so am I. PB ----- Arthur Fuller wrote: >In what way am I more protected by using rogers.com than gmail.com? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley >Sent: October 3, 2005 5:10 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail > > >Wow, someone sure has it out for google. Wonder what > >they think MSN,Yahoo, and the other search engines / > >free email providers have been doing for a lot longer > >and proven themselves evil. > >The concerns aren't about 'evil', they're about privacy issues that >arise from marketers harvesting info from email. > >PB > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From darsant at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 21:41:30 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:41:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: > Not just you. Anyone who corresponds with you. Does Rogers keep all > email forever, build a database of keywords associated with email > addresses, let its advertisers mine that db, show it to any government > that asks, &c? And are you happy to help Google sell pagerank? People sell ways to increase your page-rank based on conforming to google's searching standards and through use of search tools such as meta tags (things you could easily learn yourself but eh, people are lazy.) Google itself does not sell these ways. Do you think that none of the other companies on the internet do this? Everywhere you visit logs your associations and other things to tailor for the DB. Advertisers don't mine that DB, Google lets advertisers pick Keywords for their adds to show up on. You don't think that Rogers wouldn't be forced to also show email records from the server if asked by a court of law? That's a little odd... I thought everyone had to follow the legal system. Guess Google's one of those bad guys that obeys the law. Can't let the man get us. Of course, while we're at it, why not just outlaw any demographics and ban all forms of advertising. And it seems that closed circuit TV has the opportunity to be used for demographic study. We should remove all CCTV too, as it's a privacy risk. Then we might be truely safe from the anonymous statistics that will clue everyone in on our most intimate secret. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 23:15:38 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> Josh McFarlane wrote: />People sell ways to increase your page-rank based on conforming to >google's searching standards and through use of search tools such as >meta tags (things you could easily learn yourself but eh, people are >lazy.) Google itself does not sell these ways. / Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? />Do you think that none of the other companies on the internet do this?/ />Everywhere you visit logs your associations and other things to tailor >for the DB. Advertisers don't mine that DB, Google lets advertisers >pick Keywords for their adds to show up on. / The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. />You don't think that Rogers wouldn't be forced to also show email >records from the server if asked by a court of law? That's a little odd... >I thought everyone had to follow the legal system. Guess Google's >one of those bad guys that obeys the law. Can't let the man get us. / That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do you trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? PB > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From darsant at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 11:29:08 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:29:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com> <434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510040929v36da8362gf1ec385123377037@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: > Josh McFarlane wrote: > Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? Not from the sale of the product, but only from advertising on Google. > The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for > email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. If your idealogy on this is that you're no safer with Hotmail than Gmail, then I can see what you're thinking. If you're trying to claim Gmail is worse then other web-based email providers, well, what's some proof? > That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western > democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do you > trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? Same could be claimed of Rogers. The web is worldwide. If the company is based out of the US but Nigeria has an ongoing investigation, and requests information, the company will have to deal with it. Whether that means handing over the information or letting the US government decide how to handle the issue, something would still have to be done, regardless of whether it's Google or Rogers. Also, nothing is saying that Google is going to hand over all of this information everytime foreign governments ask for it. Once again however, they are also not the only free-email provider that is multinational. Microsoft and Yahoo also both deal with overseas companies. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Oct 4 11:33:54 2005 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:33:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com><4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net><53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com><434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510040929v36da8362gf1ec385123377037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5c901$69544d90$9111758f@aine> and just what emails would you or I be sending that we would actually worry about? Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh McFarlane" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail > On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: >> Josh McFarlane wrote: >> Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? > > Not from the sale of the product, but only from advertising on Google. > >> The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for >> email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. > > If your idealogy on this is that you're no safer with Hotmail than > Gmail, then I can see what you're thinking. If you're trying to claim > Gmail is worse then other web-based email providers, well, what's some > proof? > >> That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western >> democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do you >> trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? > > Same could be claimed of Rogers. The web is worldwide. If the company > is based out of the US but Nigeria has an ongoing investigation, and > requests information, the company will have to deal with it. Whether > that means handing over the information or letting the US government > decide how to handle the issue, something would still have to be done, > regardless of whether it's Google or Rogers. Also, nothing is saying > that Google is going to hand over all of this information everytime > foreign governments ask for it. Once again however, they are also not > the only free-email provider that is multinational. Microsoft and > Yahoo also both deal with overseas companies. > > -- > Josh McFarlane > > "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." > -Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 4 12:06:03 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:06:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <000d01c5c901$69544d90$9111758f@aine> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com><4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net><53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com><434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510040929v36da8362gf1ec385123377037@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c5c901$69544d90$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <4342B67B.1010505@earthlink.net> Martin, >and just what emails would you or I be sending >that we would actually worry about? eg discussion with residents of China regarding politics & censorship in China, indeed any discussion that could conceivably be interpreted as anti-government where such discussion is proscribed or censored. Apart from that, if you're happy to have your email commercially harvested, you may be just the customer Google has in mind. PB ----- Martin Reid wrote: >and just what emails would you or I be sending that we would actually worry >about? > >Martin > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Josh McFarlane" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail > > > > >>On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: >> >> >>>Josh McFarlane wrote: >>>Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? >>> >>> >>Not from the sale of the product, but only from advertising on Google. >> >> >> >>>The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for >>>email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. >>> >>> >>If your idealogy on this is that you're no safer with Hotmail than >>Gmail, then I can see what you're thinking. If you're trying to claim >>Gmail is worse then other web-based email providers, well, what's some >>proof? >> >> >> >>>That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western >>>democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do you >>>trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? >>> >>> >>Same could be claimed of Rogers. The web is worldwide. If the company >>is based out of the US but Nigeria has an ongoing investigation, and >>requests information, the company will have to deal with it. Whether >>that means handing over the information or letting the US government >>decide how to handle the issue, something would still have to be done, >>regardless of whether it's Google or Rogers. Also, nothing is saying >>that Google is going to hand over all of this information everytime >>foreign governments ask for it. Once again however, they are also not >>the only free-email provider that is multinational. Microsoft and >>Yahoo also both deal with overseas companies. >> >>-- >>Josh McFarlane >> >>"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." >>-Albert Einstein >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 4 12:06:52 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:06:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510040929v36da8362gf1ec385123377037@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510032351.j93NpBT25314@databaseadvisors.com> <4341E4EC.4010309@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510031941i3836806en96e81ab97bda2df8@mail.gmail.com> <434201EA.10506@earthlink.net> <53c8e05a0510040929v36da8362gf1ec385123377037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4342B6AC.8070904@earthlink.net> Josh McFarlane wrote: >> Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? >Not from the sale of the product, but only from advertising on Google. Exactly. >> The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for >> email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. >If your idealogy on this is that you're no safer with Hotmail than >Gmail, then I can see what you're thinking. Good. If Hotmail harvests its email archives for advertisers, it's as undesirable as Gmail. >If you're trying to claim Gmail is worse then other >web-based email providers, well, what's some proof? Depends on whether the provider keeps the archives forever and mines them for advertisers. >> That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western >> democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do you >> trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? >Same could be claimed of Rogers. The web is worldwide. If the company >is based out of the US ... What does being based in or out of the US have to do with anything? >... but Nigeria has an ongoing investigation, and >requests information, the company will have to deal with it. Only if the provider has a server in Nigeria, or China &c. >Whether >that means handing over the information or letting the US government >decide how to handle the issue, something would still have to be done, >regardless of whether it's Google or Rogers. Also, nothing is saying >that Google is going to hand over all of this information everytime >foreign governments ask for it. Once again however, they are also not >the only free-email provider that is multinational. Microsoft and >Yahoo also both deal with overseas companies. Yahoo's behaviour in China is a good argument for avoiding Yahoo email. PB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 4 12:09:35 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:09:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail In-Reply-To: <4342B67B.1010505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005901c5c906$659864c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I do think that this should be moved to OT. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail Martin, >and just what emails would you or I be sending >that we would actually worry about? eg discussion with residents of China regarding politics & censorship in China, indeed any discussion that could conceivably be interpreted as anti-government where such discussion is proscribed or censored. Apart from that, if you're happy to have your email commercially harvested, you may be just the customer Google has in mind. PB ----- Martin Reid wrote: >and just what emails would you or I be sending that we would actually >worry >about? > >Martin > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Josh McFarlane" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Redirect to GMail > > > > >>On 10/3/05, Peter Brawley wrote: >> >> >>>Josh McFarlane wrote: >>>Follow the money. Some of that cash goes back to Google, doesn't it? >>> >>> >>Not from the sale of the product, but only from advertising on Google. >> >> >> >>>The question concerned email, not surfing. I'd use such a company for >>>email only in an emergency & preferably not at all. >>> >>> >>If your idealogy on this is that you're no safer with Hotmail than >>Gmail, then I can see what you're thinking. If you're trying to claim >>Gmail is worse then other web-based email providers, well, what's some >>proof? >> >> >> >>>That misses the pont entirely. Trust of due process in western >>>democracies is arguably rational. But Google operates worldwide. Do >>>you trust due process in China, Nigeria, Iran? >>> >>> >>Same could be claimed of Rogers. The web is worldwide. If the company >>is based out of the US but Nigeria has an ongoing investigation, and >>requests information, the company will have to deal with it. Whether >>that means handing over the information or letting the US government >>decide how to handle the issue, something would still have to be done, >>regardless of whether it's Google or Rogers. Also, nothing is saying >>that Google is going to hand over all of this information everytime >>foreign governments ask for it. Once again however, they are also not >>the only free-email provider that is multinational. Microsoft and >>Yahoo also both deal with overseas companies. >> >>-- >>Josh McFarlane >> >>"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by >>understanding." -Albert Einstein >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 5 03:01:22 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:01:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: SPAM Message-ID: <003601c5c984$1ef7a7a0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, SPAM is getting really tough problem here - SPAM e-mails are in Russian but they are sent from all over the World. And the source of these messages is unclear - like this one: <<<< IP: 24.244.154.34 ============== Name: Foster, Andre Handle: AF67-ARIN Company: Address: Robinson Rd. at Marathon Address: Nassau New, CB13050 City: StateProv: PostalCode: Country: BS Comment: RegDate: 1998-10-22 Updated: 2002-03-11 Phone: 242-356-8976 (Office) Email: **********@cablebahamas.com >>> Question: What is the quickest way to report this SPAM to SPAM blocking Internet services (SPAMCop?) I do use Outlook Express (don't blame me! I like it, I use it for quite some time and it's good enough for me :)) - and I don't see automated SPAM reporting tools for Outlook Express... Thank you for any info on the subject, Shamil From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Oct 6 17:25:19 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:25:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number Message-ID: <15c101c5cac4$d6099480$6501a8c0@HAL9004> This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. But found this: http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html Does anybody know this outfit? Any recommendations an a toll-free number? TIA Rocky From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Oct 8 15:15:28 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:15:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting Visual Studio 3.0 running a web page Message-ID: <000101c5cc45$09bd0740$697aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I am getting a variety of errors when trying to create a new web page project in VS 2003. I had a bunch of different things installed, including VS 2001, the various 2005 betas and VS 2003, pretty much all at the same time. I uninstalled everything including IIS, purchased Registry Mechanic to clean up the registry, reinstalled IIS and then VS 2003. I am now able to serve a basic web page IF I place my old web site's Index.HTML etc. I see the basics of the old ColbyConsulting.com. So IIS appears to run. What I am getting ATM is a server error 500 when I try to build a new project. From everything I am reading is a general "it doesn't fit in any of my other errors" error. I have spent probably the last 8 hours messing around, then uninstalling, then re-installing, and still no closer to success. My machine boots noticeably faster though. ;-) So, can anyone help me get VS 2003 building and running an ASP.Net web project? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Thu Oct 13 22:13:00 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:13:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS 2003 and IIS Message-ID: <000001c5d06d$31ec9c90$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Can anyone help me troubleshoot getting VS 2003 working with IIS. IIS is running on my machine. If I place a valid default.htm I can open a browser and type http://127.0.0.1/ in the address bar and it opens that default.htm. When I try and create a new ASP.Net application In VS, I get: The web server reported... 'http://localhost/webapplication1'. 'http/1.1 500 server error' The project is not created, i.e. no files show in the solution explorer. I need help on this, no clue what, why or how. Thanks, John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Fri Oct 14 18:32:07 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro Message-ID: <000201c5d117$812f4960$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I am using Windows XP Pro on all of my machines, including my dev laptop. I am seeing references to "in Explorer, right click a folder, select properties, then select the security tab" I don't have a security tab. Any ideas why not? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Fri Oct 14 20:04:54 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:04:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frank Tanner's "How-To" build a Linux Firewall Message-ID: <000a01c5d124$77249080$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Frank Tanner has graciously allowed me to post his "How-To" build a Linux Firewall, which can now be found on my web site: Go to www.colbyconsulting.com Register Login Click Useful Files tab It is the first item in the list Thanks Frank! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Fri Oct 14 21:33:49 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:33:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid fo a disconnected drive Message-ID: <006201c5d130$dfd1a120$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I have a drive that is "disconnected". This drive is apparently causing headaches when I try to use dropdowns that display drives (major delays). However I can't seem to delete the drive because it is disconnected. Man Windows is stupid sometimes. Does anyone know how to delete a disconnected drive mapping? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Oct 15 05:24:18 2005 From: Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:24:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro References: <000201c5d117$812f4960$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <002e01c5d172$9aa66440$0207a8c0@bill> XP Home doesn't give you the security tab. You have to use CACLS. Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "Tech - Database Advisors Inc." Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro I am using Windows XP Pro on all of my machines, including my dev laptop. I am seeing references to "in Explorer, right click a folder, select properties, then select the security tab" I don't have a security tab. Any ideas why not? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Sun Oct 16 18:14:53 2005 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:44:53 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD22125FB@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Said he's using Pro. You need to first turn off "Simple File Sharing": Tools -> Folder Options -> View -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tope Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2005 7:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro XP Home doesn't give you the security tab. You have to use CACLS. Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "Tech - Database Advisors Inc." Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Rights tab in WinXP Pro I am using Windows XP Pro on all of my machines, including my dev laptop. I am seeing references to "in Explorer, right click a folder, select properties, then select the security tab" I don't have a security tab. Any ideas why not? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email any any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:44:23 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:44:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid fo a disconnected drive In-Reply-To: <006201c5d130$dfd1a120$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <006201c5d130$dfd1a120$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: How about mapping another drive to that letter and then disconnecting that one. On 10/14/05, John Colby wrote: > I have a drive that is "disconnected". This drive is apparently causing > headaches when I try to use dropdowns that display drives (major delays). > However I can't seem to delete the drive because it is disconnected. Man > Windows is stupid sometimes. > > Does anyone know how to delete a disconnected drive mapping? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:44:23 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:44:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid fo a disconnected drive In-Reply-To: <006201c5d130$dfd1a120$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> References: <006201c5d130$dfd1a120$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: How about mapping another drive to that letter and then disconnecting that one. On 10/14/05, John Colby wrote: > I have a drive that is "disconnected". This drive is apparently causing > headaches when I try to use dropdowns that display drives (major delays). > However I can't seem to delete the drive because it is disconnected. Man > Windows is stupid sometimes. > > Does anyone know how to delete a disconnected drive mapping? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Mon Oct 17 11:46:56 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:46:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid fo a disconnected drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c5d33a$62749aa0$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I didn't actually try that assuming that the fact that there was a drive there already would prevent mapping one in there. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Tech - Database Advisors Inc. Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid fo a disconnected drive How about mapping another drive to that letter and then disconnecting that one. On 10/14/05, John Colby wrote: > I have a drive that is "disconnected". This drive is apparently > causing headaches when I try to use dropdowns that display drives > (major delays). However I can't seem to delete the drive because it is > disconnected. Man Windows is stupid sometimes. > > Does anyone know how to delete a disconnected drive mapping? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 18 00:48:51 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:48:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Message-ID: <035c01c5d3a7$9e0c42d0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software To: off topic list Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Photos I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a public site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good alternatives? Regards, Rocky From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Oct 18 03:18:48 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:18:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F3@ALCUXB> LOL :-) I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on there - 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software To: off topic list Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Photos I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a public site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good alternatives? Regards, Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 18 07:09:29 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:09:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: Hi all We just spent a day or more at a client's machine which would nicely download Windows updates but wouldn't install them. Everything had been turned upside down except a complete reinstall - and believe me, many things from registry entries, IE settings, and all sorts of reinstalls and reregistering dlls to update of the MS root certificate and user rights can be checked. Finally, for some reason, we focused on error 0x80240FFF and googled this page: http://www.msusenet.com/archive/topic.php/t-1870890219.html If you browse to near the bottom you'll see a twin posting: marcoaa at gmail.com09-29-2005, 12:02 AM joopbraak at 12move.nl09-29-2005, 12:26 AM Did you check your Network settings? I heard (yes, really!) that "Client for Microsoft networks" needs to be installed for Windows Update to work. and that's it! We missed words and have not recovered yet. A couple of hours, strong coffee and premium quality chocolates may be needed to absorb this top level MS finesse ... /gustav From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 18 08:00:51 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:00:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F3@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <001201c5d3e3$f8215c60$6501a8c0@HAL9004> One drag and drop would be OK. I'm on the page where you have to put in links to twenty at a time - twenty photos per 'album'. Have to explore the site a bit more, I guess. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > LOL :-) > > I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on there - > 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a > folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to > me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > > x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > To: off topic list > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM > Subject: Photos > > > I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a > public > site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good > alternatives? > > Regards, > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Oct 18 08:20:45 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:20:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F8@ALCUXB> I'm sure there was a java applet window thing where you could just drag and drop all your files at once. There's no way I'd have done 130 pics individually ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 18 October 2005 14:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos One drag and drop would be OK. I'm on the page where you have to put in links to twenty at a time - twenty photos per 'album'. Have to explore the site a bit more, I guess. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > LOL :-) > > I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on there - > 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a > folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to > me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > > x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > To: off topic list > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM > Subject: Photos > > > I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a > public > site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good > alternatives? > > Regards, > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 18 08:35:27 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:35:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Message-ID: <004601c5d3e8$cd53c5e0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> x-posted from OT. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software To: off topic list Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Photos I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a public site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good alternatives? Regards, Rocky From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 18 09:16:06 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:16:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c5d3ee$7b0e7770$7101a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Gustav, I had received notice from a couple of online newsletters that there were some issues with the latest round of updates which MS posted this month but haven't had time to actually read the details. I guess I should have posted a warning here earlier. Sorry about that. I'm certainly interested in seeing what you discover in your tribulations with this issue. Please let us know what you discover on your coffee and chocolate journey :o) John From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Oct 18 09:16:53 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:16:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5FB9@stekelbes.ithelps.local> JAlbum I believe. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos I'm sure there was a java applet window thing where you could just drag and drop all your files at once. There's no way I'd have done 130 pics individually ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 18 October 2005 14:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos One drag and drop would be OK. I'm on the page where you have to put in links to twenty at a time - twenty photos per 'album'. Have to explore the site a bit more, I guess. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > LOL :-) > > I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on there - > 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a > folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to > me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > > x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > To: off topic list > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM > Subject: Photos > > > I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a > public > site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good > alternatives? > > Regards, > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Oct 18 09:18:05 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:18:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5FBA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Apparantly their is also some serious trouble with the MSO2K3 update recently released. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Hi Gustav, I had received notice from a couple of online newsletters that there were some issues with the latest round of updates which MS posted this month but haven't had time to actually read the details. I guess I should have posted a warning here earlier. Sorry about that. I'm certainly interested in seeing what you discover in your tribulations with this issue. Please let us know what you discover on your coffee and chocolate journey :o) John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 18 09:37:16 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:37:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: Hi Erwin and John It is not a problem related to the updates, it is related to the Windows Update engine itself. What I posted _is_ the solution should you ever encounter it. Normally a network client is installed but this machine serves as a mail server only and all file transfer to and from the machine including backup is done via FTP, thus no need for a (vulnerable) client. For the Office update it is right, is it not reported to be all good (we haven't had our hands on it yet, so this is second hand info). If at all possible, the advice is to wait for the version 2 of this. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 18-10-2005 16:16:06 >>> Hi Gustav, I had received notice from a couple of online newsletters that there were some issues with the latest round of updates which MS posted this month but haven't had time to actually read the details. I guess I should have posted a warning here earlier. Sorry about that. I'm certainly interested in seeing what you discover in your tribulations with this issue. Please let us know what you discover on your coffee and chocolate journey :o) John From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 18 10:11:51 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:11:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c5d3f6$45916820$7101a8c0@ScuzzPaq> This is the first I've heard about problems with the O2k3 update. I installed the O2k3 service pack a while ago now. It did seem flakey. The only things I can think of that were probelmatic are: -The SPAM filter either doesn't work as good or I'm just getting a lot more SPAM since (one of the reasons I installed it was because the SPAM filtering was supposed to have been improved). -The spell checker wouldn't work but I think that was due to another application that I installed shortly after that uses the office spell checker. It could have been either one though. I deleted the custom (user) dictionary and then it worked. Guess I'll hold off for awhile on having my clients apply it... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:37 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Hi Erwin and John It is not a problem related to the updates, it is related to the Windows Update engine itself. What I posted _is_ the solution should you ever encounter it. Normally a network client is installed but this machine serves as a mail server only and all file transfer to and from the machine including backup is done via FTP, thus no need for a (vulnerable) client. For the Office update it is right, is it not reported to be all good (we haven't had our hands on it yet, so this is second hand info). If at all possible, the advice is to wait for the version 2 of this. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 18-10-2005 16:16:06 >>> Hi Gustav, I had received notice from a couple of online newsletters that there were some issues with the latest round of updates which MS posted this month but haven't had time to actually read the details. I guess I should have posted a warning here earlier. Sorry about that. I'm certainly interested in seeing what you discover in your tribulations with this issue. Please let us know what you discover on your coffee and chocolate journey :o) John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 18 11:51:32 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:51:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F8@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <014801c5d404$3407c7d0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Found it Jon. 1st you have to use IE, not Firefox. Then you have to download the activex control. But it seems to be uploading the photos now. Should take another hour and 20. Stand by... Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > I'm sure there was a java applet window thing where you could just drag > and > drop all your files at once. There's no way I'd have done 130 pics > individually ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 14:01 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > > One drag and drop would be OK. I'm on the page where you have to put in > links to twenty at a time - twenty photos per 'album'. Have to explore > the > site a bit more, I guess. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > >> LOL :-) >> >> I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on >> there - >> 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a >> folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to >> me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >> Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos >> >> >> x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. >> >> Rocky >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> To: off topic list >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM >> Subject: Photos >> >> >> I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a >> public >> site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good >> alternatives? >> >> Regards, >> >> Rocky >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >> to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >> Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:24:49 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:24:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos In-Reply-To: <014801c5d404$3407c7d0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F8@ALCUXB> <014801c5d404$3407c7d0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: With the Active X thing it also uploads faster as the pics are optomized somehow during the send. I uploaded 134 pics last week with my vacation stuff on them and it only took about 20 minutes. The pics were taken with a combination of 3.2 and 5MP cameras, It was about 150Mb of files. You are on cable modem right?? Of course that is slower going UP I guess. I did mine from work and we have T1 or T3 or something fast both ways. GK On 10/18/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Found it Jon. 1st you have to use IE, not Firefox. Then you have to > download the activex control. But it seems to be uploading the photos now. > Should take another hour and 20. Stand by... > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 18 14:06:57 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:06:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos In-Reply-To: AAAAABsJvBKnNblJpukl/8GF+DSkhyUA Message-ID: <000f01c5d417$1ca9bef0$0400a8c0@jt2> Ah yes, that'll be it - I only use IE :-) Just lazy I guess, can't be bothered to look for something else and patch that every time there's a new bug... I'll just go with IE and Microsoft's patches when they decide to send them out :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 18 October 2005 17:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos Found it Jon. 1st you have to use IE, not Firefox. Then you have to download the activex control. But it seems to be uploading the photos now. Should take another hour and 20. Stand by... Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > I'm sure there was a java applet window thing where you could just drag > and > drop all your files at once. There's no way I'd have done 130 pics > individually ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 14:01 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > > One drag and drop would be OK. I'm on the page where you have to put in > links to twenty at a time - twenty photos per 'album'. Have to explore > the > site a bit more, I guess. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > > >> LOL :-) >> >> I had no problem with Ofoto when I put my brothers wedding pics on >> there - >> 130+ of them. Just took a while, that's all... iirc you can browse to a >> folder and drag all the files in it onto their upload bit, seemed easy to >> me. Maybe it's changed since last August though :-) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >> Sent: 18 October 2005 06:49 >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos >> >> >> x-posted to OT. What do they know? Real info is here. >> >> Rocky >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> To: off topic list >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:00 PM >> Subject: Photos >> >> >> I want to put about 150 pictures from this weekend's house build on a >> public >> site. Ofoto is good but the upload is really awkward. Any good >> alternatives? >> >> Regards, >> >> Rocky >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >> to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >> Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 18 16:14:34 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:14:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC841F8@ALCUXB> <014801c5d404$3407c7d0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <033b01c5d428$f0679df0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Well, they're up there now. I posted the link to OT. Thanks. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: Photos > With the Active X thing it also uploads faster as the pics are > optomized somehow during the send. I uploaded 134 pics last week with > my vacation stuff on them and it only took about 20 minutes. The pics > were taken with a combination of 3.2 and 5MP cameras, It was about > 150Mb of files. You are on cable modem right?? Of course that is > slower going UP I guess. I did mine from work and we have T1 or T3 or > something fast both ways. > > GK > > On 10/18/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > wrote: >> Found it Jon. 1st you have to use IE, not Firefox. Then you have to >> download the activex control. But it seems to be uploading the photos >> now. >> Should take another hour and 20. Stand by... >> >> Rocky >> > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 19 11:04:20 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:04:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: HP laptop battery recall Message-ID: <005b01c5d4c6$c461bd00$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Battery recall: Hewlett-Packard announced a recall of the batteries used in its Pavilion, Compaq Presario, and Compaq Evo laptop lines. From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 12:07:49 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:07:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? Message-ID: There's a Fry's near my home and I noticed I can get Nero 7 for $20 w/ rebates... anyone used the newer version? what's better? should I just stay at my current version? Nero tends to be one of those products that actually get better by revision :) -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 19 12:27:56 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006301c5d4d2$721f6d10$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I haven't used it but have been reading up on it because I want to upgrade. It seems the most prevalent opinion Is that v7 is what v6 was promised to be. I'll be getting the upgrade but I don't have a Fry's in the vicinity :o( -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; The Hardware List Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? There's a Fry's near my home and I noticed I can get Nero 7 for $20 w/ rebates... anyone used the newer version? what's better? should I just stay at my current version? Nero tends to be one of those products that actually get better by revision :) -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Oct 19 18:49:21 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:49:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Book for Project 2003? Message-ID: <000001c5d507$babf6540$0200a8c0@danwaters> Does anyone have a book they would recommend for MS Project 2003? I can make basic Ganntt charts, but I'd like to learn more. Dan Waters From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 19:19:18 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:19:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? In-Reply-To: <006301c5d4d2$721f6d10$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <006301c5d4d2$721f6d10$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: Well I happen to love v6, I bought a DVD burner and immediatly upgraded from 5 wich was rock solid for CD burning, but I found 6 to be for DVDs what 5 was for CDs... On 10/19/05, John Bartow wrote: > > I haven't used it but have been reading up on it because I want to > upgrade. > It seems the most prevalent opinion Is that v7 is what v6 was promised to > be. I'll be getting the upgrade but I don't have a Fry's in the vicinity > :o( > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:08 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; The Hardware List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? > > There's a Fry's near my home and I noticed I can get Nero 7 for $20 w/ > rebates... anyone used the newer version? what's better? should I just > stay > at my current version? Nero tends to be one of those products that > actually > get better by revision :) > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! > http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 19 19:32:13 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:32:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b001c5d50d$b7931cd0$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I don't have a full version just one that came with my Sony burner. The thing that bugs the crap out of me is that it doesn't burn more than one at a time. My old burning app (forget what is was) would let me put in so many copies and I'd just stick the blanks in. Now I have to keep track of them. No big deal but one more thing to do when I'm already doing this in between other things. Can the full version do this? I plugged an Iomega USB external in the other day so I could more CDs faster and it barked at me that this OEM version would only work with Sony burners. So guess I need to upgrade anyhoo... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? Well I happen to love v6, I bought a DVD burner and immediatly upgraded from 5 wich was rock solid for CD burning, but I found 6 to be for DVDs what 5 was for CDs... On 10/19/05, John Bartow wrote: > > I haven't used it but have been reading up on it because I want to > upgrade. > It seems the most prevalent opinion Is that v7 is what v6 was promised > to be. I'll be getting the upgrade but I don't have a Fry's in the > vicinity :o( > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:08 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; The Hardware List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Nero 7? > > There's a Fry's near my home and I noticed I can get Nero 7 for $20 w/ > rebates... anyone used the newer version? what's better? should I just > stay at my current version? Nero tends to be one of those products > that actually get better by revision :) > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! > http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dba.email at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 08:21:25 2005 From: dba.email at gmail.com (Admin Sparky) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:21:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number In-Reply-To: <15c101c5cac4$d6099480$6501a8c0@HAL9004> References: <15c101c5cac4$d6099480$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <5f2de2420510200621l46593fb1ue1c61b6e58775bf2@mail.gmail.com> How about Vonnage? As I recall, they are very competitive. Mark On 10/6/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... > > I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. But > found this: > > http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html > > Does anybody know this outfit? > > Any recommendations an a toll-free number? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Thu Oct 20 08:29:47 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:29:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number In-Reply-To: <5f2de2420510200621l46593fb1ue1c61b6e58775bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5d57a$5754aa60$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I use Vonage for my business line and have added a toll free number for $5.00 for the first 100 minutes, 4.9c / minute after that. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Admin Sparky Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number How about Vonnage? As I recall, they are very competitive. Mark On 10/6/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... > > I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. > But found this: > > http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html > > Does anybody know this outfit? > > Any recommendations an a toll-free number? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Oct 20 10:42:07 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:42:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number References: <15c101c5cac4$d6099480$6501a8c0@HAL9004> <5f2de2420510200621l46593fb1ue1c61b6e58775bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01d601c5d58c$d3d61e90$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Sounds like a plan. I'll check it out. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Admin Sparky" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number > How about Vonnage? As I recall, they are very competitive. > Mark > > > On 10/6/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > wrote: >> >> This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... >> >> I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. >> But >> found this: >> >> http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html >> >> Does anybody know this outfit? >> >> Any recommendations an a toll-free number? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Oct 20 10:43:04 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:43:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number References: <000a01c5d57a$5754aa60$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <01db01c5d58c$f5ddf8f0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> And apparently working good? No downside? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number >I use Vonage for my business line and have added a toll free number for > $5.00 for the first 100 minutes, 4.9c / minute after that. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Admin Sparky > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number > > > How about Vonnage? As I recall, they are very competitive. > Mark > > > On 10/6/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > wrote: >> >> This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... >> >> I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. >> But found this: >> >> http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html >> >> Does anybody know this outfit? >> >> Any recommendations an a toll-free number? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Thu Oct 20 11:12:47 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:12:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number In-Reply-To: <01db01c5d58c$f5ddf8f0$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: <007601c5d591$1cb62340$667aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Vonage is VOIP so yes, there are downsides, mostly occasional call quality issues, though that is mostly ironed out now. Also the old "if the internet goes, so does the phone". Other than that, it works well and is VERY cheap. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number And apparently working good? No downside? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number >I use Vonage for my business line and have added a toll free number for >$5.00 for the first 100 minutes, 4.9c / minute after that. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Admin > Sparky > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Toll Free Number > > > How about Vonnage? As I recall, they are very competitive. Mark > > > On 10/6/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > wrote: >> >> This is about as far off topic as it gets. But it's still tech, so... >> >> I need a toll-free number. I was going to call SBC, the local company. >> But found this: >> >> http://www.gotvmail.com/solutions/index.html >> >> Does anybody know this outfit? >> >> Any recommendations an a toll-free number? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 25 23:30:30 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Power Toys Message-ID: <000f01c5d9e5$ff759000$6b01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I thought some of you may like the alt-tab replacement as much as I think I'm going to. The alt-tab replacement shows a small thumbnail picture of the application and the file that is open in it. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx John B. From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 26 02:24:52 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:24:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: Hi all Bob Qin of "Microsoft Online Partner Support" reported back in the support forum, that this is the solution. Regarding why the client is needed he states: The Client for Microsoft Networks is an essential networking software component for the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems and some important services depend on it. For example: BITS. So that's why. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 18-10-2005 14:09 >>> Hi all We just spent a day or more at a client's machine which would nicely download Windows updates but wouldn't install them. Everything had been turned upside down except a complete reinstall - and believe me, many things from registry entries, IE settings, and all sorts of reinstalls and reregistering dlls to update of the MS root certificate and user rights can be checked. Finally, for some reason, we focused on error 0x80240FFF and googled this page: http://www.msusenet.com/archive/topic.php/t-1870890219.html If you browse to near the bottom you'll see a twin posting: marcoaa at gmail.com09-29-2005, 12:02 AM joopbraak at 12move.nl09-29-2005, 12:26 AM Did you check your Network settings? I heard (yes, really!) that "Client for Microsoft networks" needs to be installed for Windows Update to work. and that's it! We missed words and have not recovered yet. A couple of hours, strong coffee and premium quality chocolates may be needed to absorb this top level MS finesse ... /gustav From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 26 03:23:11 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 9:23:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: <20051026082310.1761224F71B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> And what's "BITS"? A partner product to "PIECES"? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Date: 26/10/05 07:26 Hi all Bob Qin of "Microsoft Online Partner Support" reported back in the support forum, that this is the solution. Regarding why the client is needed he states: The Client for Microsoft Networks is an essential networking software component for the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems and some important services depend on it. For example: BITS. So that's why. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 18-10-2005 14:09 >>> Hi all We just spent a day or more at a client's machine which would nicely download Windows updates but wouldn't install them. Everything had been turned upside down except a complete reinstall - and believe me, many things from registry entries, IE settings, and all sorts of reinstalls and reregistering dlls to update of the MS root certificate and user rights can be checked. Finally, for some reason, we focused on error 0x80240FFF and googled this page: http://www.msusenet.com/archive/topic.php/t-1870890219.html If you browse to near the bottom you'll see a twin posting: marcoaa at gmail.com09-29-2005, 12:02 AM joopbraak at 12move.nl09-29-2005, 12:26 AM Did you check your Network settings? I heard (yes, really!) that "Client for Microsoft networks" needs to be installed for Windows Update to work. and that's it! We missed words and have not recovered yet. A couple of hours, strong coffee and premium quality chocolates may be needed to absorb this top level MS finesse ... /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 26 03:26:39 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:26:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8426B@ALCUXB> LOL, it's the Background Intelligent Transfer Service - the new thing that means you can interrupt a download adn return to it at a later time at exactly the same point and not have to start it all over again. Would have been much more useful to have before the advent of broadband IMO, as downloading on dial-up was a pain, but now most people have broadband it's not such an issue I would think. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 26 October 2005 09:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes And what's "BITS"? A partner product to "PIECES"? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Date: 26/10/05 07:26 Hi all Bob Qin of "Microsoft Online Partner Support" reported back in the support forum, that this is the solution. Regarding why the client is needed he states: The Client for Microsoft Networks is an essential networking software component for the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems and some important services depend on it. For example: BITS. So that's why. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 18-10-2005 14:09 >>> Hi all We just spent a day or more at a client's machine which would nicely download Windows updates but wouldn't install them. Everything had been turned upside down except a complete reinstall - and believe me, many things from registry entries, IE settings, and all sorts of reinstalls and reregistering dlls to update of the MS root certificate and user rights can be checked. Finally, for some reason, we focused on error 0x80240FFF and googled this page: http://www.msusenet.com/archive/topic.php/t-1870890219.html If you browse to near the bottom you'll see a twin posting: marcoaa at gmail.com09-29-2005, 12:02 AM joopbraak at 12move.nl09-29-2005, 12:26 AM Did you check your Network settings? I heard (yes, really!) that "Client for Microsoft networks" needs to be installed for Windows Update to work. and that's it! We missed words and have not recovered yet. A couple of hours, strong coffee and premium quality chocolates may be needed to absorb this top level MS finesse ... /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Oct 26 03:58:52 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 9:58:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Message-ID: <20051026085850.3CC6A250280@smtp.nildram.co.uk> I seem to recall that back in the old DOS days file transfer software had this capability. Nice to know Windows is catching up. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Date: 26/10/05 08:27 LOL, it's the Background Intelligent Transfer Service - the new thing that means you can interrupt a download adn return to it at a later time at exactly the same point and not have to start it all over again. Would have been much more useful to have before the advent of broadband IMO, as downloading on dial-up was a pain, but now most people have broadband it's not such an issue I would think. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 26 October 2005 09:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes And what's "BITS"? A partner product to "PIECES"? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Windows Update woes Date: 26/10/05 07:26 Hi all Bob Qin of "Microsoft Online Partner Support" reported back in the support forum, that this is the solution. Regarding why the client is needed he states: The Client for Microsoft Networks is an essential networking software component for the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems and some important services depend on it. For example: BITS. So that's why. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 18-10-2005 14:09 >>> Hi all We just spent a day or more at a client's machine which would nicely download Windows updates but wouldn't install them. Everything had been turned upside down except a complete reinstall - and believe me, many things from registry entries, IE settings, and all sorts of reinstalls and reregistering dlls to update of the MS root certificate and user rights can be checked. Finally, for some reason, we focused on error 0x80240FFF and googled this page: http://www.msusenet.com/archive/topic.php/t-1870890219.html If you browse to near the bottom you'll see a twin posting: marcoaa at gmail.com09-29-2005, 12:02 AM joopbraak at 12move.nl09-29-2005, 12:26 AM Did you check your Network settings? I heard (yes, really!) that "Client for Microsoft networks" needs to be installed for Windows Update to work. and that's it! We missed words and have not recovered yet. A couple of hours, strong coffee and premium quality chocolates may be needed to absorb this top level MS finesse ... /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:50:58 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:50:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Power Toys In-Reply-To: <000f01c5d9e5$ff759000$6b01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <000f01c5d9e5$ff759000$6b01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30510260750i12df8cdbq91255671d7d301c1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, John. I just used the old version of XP Power Toys the other day. I'll have to look into the new version, too. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 10/25/05, John Bartow wrote: > > I thought some of you may like the alt-tab replacement as much as I think > I'm going to. > > The alt-tab replacement shows a small thumbnail picture of the application > and the file that is open in it. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > > John B. > > From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 29 18:23:42 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (President) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Message Size Limits Message-ID: <01bf01c5dcdf$cd99beb0$6b01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Greeting to all list members, The Database Advisors, Inc. Board of Directors has recently approved lowering the size limits of messages on the list to 20k. This is an attempt to encourage the snipping of emails during replies and to reduce the size of the archives in the future. Our archives are getting quite large, hence the cost of storing them is going up. It is unlikely that we will see many messages exceed 20k in size if they are properly snipped. HOWEVER our list moderators will let messages of any size through as long as the following criteria is met: 1. it has been properly snipped 2. it does not contain attachments 3. it was sent using plain text formatting 4. it contains valuable technical information If any of these criteria is not met, the post will be rejected. Please bear in mind that, although it would not be typical of our elite corp. of moderators, it may take moderators up to 24 hours to get to your post to allow it through. We initially experimented with the 20k limit on the Off Topic OT list where posts tend to be long, for the most part because of poor snipping. One other major cause of messages being held due to exceeding the size limit was messages being sent in html or rich text formats. (The size is determined before the html formatting is stripped and presently there is nothing we can do about this.) In the weeks since we reduced the size limit on the OT (where messages are often long winded (to say the least :o)) the number of messages rejected due to exceeding the size limits has dropped to near zero. Because of this we do not foresee a problem with the technical lists but please let us know if you are experiencing any problems because of this limit. We sincerely hope this does not cause any complications in your utilization of this valuable asset. Regards, John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Oct 30 01:25:15 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:25:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Jet clone? In-Reply-To: <20051026085850.3CC6A250280@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200510300625.j9U6P8J08863@databaseadvisors.com> Back in the days of DOS, there was an incredible utility called Jet. It was in essence a very smart equivalent to xcopy, but infinitely smarter. For example, you could: Copy source dir to target dir, specifying only replace existing files; Copy source dir to target dir, leaving files with same datetime alone and copying only the successors; Copy source dir to target dir, making any subdirs required, while leaving alone any files of the same datetime; Copy all the files from source dir to target dir that do not already exist in target dir; Copy all the files created today from source dir (c:\" to target dir; Copy only the files that exist on the target that exist also on the source, and copy only those files that are newer, recursing through the dirs. You could pass all the args you need on the command line or write a batch file and pass them from there. Best of all, it did something like xcopy but IMO smarter: it read the file sizes and used available memory to grab as much as it could, then did one write (to perhaps several filenames), dumping all the ram-contents in one single write, then reading more if necessary until it was done. In the DOS world, it was insanely quicker than xcopy. And so on... This utility, as I recall, shipped with a RAM board that I bought, that contained 8MB of RAM and let me use it all as EMS RAM. It was the most incredible file-copy utility I ever used. Sadly, it was DOS-based. I wish there were a utility like this that works in the WinWorld, but I have not yet found it. Given the era of this program, several enhancements would be required to deal with contemporary systems: Recognize CDs and DVDs; Recognize long file names; Does anyone know of anything similar? It couldn't be written in Access and perhaps not even in C++ to deliver the performance that Jet delivered. I think this requires assembly language. Perhaps not. From darsant at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 01:35:48 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:35:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Jet clone? In-Reply-To: <200510300625.j9U6P8J08863@databaseadvisors.com> References: <20051026085850.3CC6A250280@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <200510300625.j9U6P8J08863@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510292335n2240f268p4ac47e609992bd3@mail.gmail.com> On 10/30/05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > perhaps not even in C++ to deliver the performance that Jet delivered. I > think this requires assembly language. Perhaps not. C will give you about the best you're going to get, as it's really hard to modify the file system from within windows without touching the Windows API. On the other hand, if you were looking for a boot utility, then I'd still say C/C++ would be the quickest way to go. Just because it's a level of abstraction doesn't mean you can't still maximize optimization and efficiency. Not sure if such a thing exists at the moment though. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 30 01:34:26 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:34:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Jet clone? Message-ID: Hi Arthur That could be xxcopy: http://www.xxcopy.com/ Command-line util, but includes a progress bar pop-up window. /gustav >>> artful at rogers.com 30-10-2005 07:25 >>> Back in the days of DOS, there was an incredible utility called Jet. It was in essence a very smart equivalent to xcopy, but infinitely smarter. .. From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 31 12:31:13 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:31:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival Message-ID: <010101c5de49$4665c220$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Microsoft is planning to add support for the XML Paper Specification (XPS) in its forthcoming Office 12 software... http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2145101/microsoft-talks-pdf-competitor I don't see success unless they make it available to existing Office products and it has a robust language model behind it. What do you think? John B. From darsant at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:34:48 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:34:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <010101c5de49$4665c220$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <010101c5de49$4665c220$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510311234k36732449kf416aa31e2a36484@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/05, John Bartow wrote: > What do you think? Personally I see it as Microsoft trying to push a uniform format for their information. As a whole, it seems like people are pushing more and more towards a uniform way to store / transmit pure data (XML, RSS, etc), and while it's been changing alot quicker on the web. If I remember correctly, Microsoft recently lost one of the state's office application bid because they were moving to a standard format for all their applications, vs the proprietary data format in Office. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 31 15:18:27 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:18:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510311234k36732449kf416aa31e2a36484@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012601c5de60$a2fcf280$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I believe you are correct. An eastern state, Mass. Perhaps? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:35 PM If I remember correctly, Microsoft recently lost one of the state's office application bid because they were moving to a standard format for all their applications, vs the proprietary data format in Office. From darsant at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 15:27:34 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:27:34 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <012601c5de60$a2fcf280$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <53c8e05a0510311234k36732449kf416aa31e2a36484@mail.gmail.com> <012601c5de60$a2fcf280$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510311327m7a737053vf51c0ae1624134b9@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/05, John Bartow wrote: > I believe you are correct. An eastern state, Mass. Perhaps? Yes, that appears to be it. Here's a link to one story on it: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/12/37OPopenent_1.html Personally, I think they're afraid that others are going to wise up and also change to a non-proprietary format, and that this new format is what they are hoping will customers to come back to office, while at the same time giving them the illusion they are getting the open-source format that they want. For some reason, this quote from the article you posted amused me: "Microsoft has concluded that it cannot leave it in control of an outside company." They want to be the one with the jump on things so they can be one step ahead of everyone else, and not trying to play catch-up on equal footing with everyone else in dealing with a unified format. Like you, unless they have something very spiffy behind it, I don't think it's going to pick up weight. Why deal with a format from a company that doesn't care about standards when you could pick up a more widely accepted and universal format that offers the same with more stability? -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 31 15:27:43 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:27:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510311234k36732449kf416aa31e2a36484@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012a01c5de61$f29719f0$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> And that would be great if it were a truly open format. (Especially if it had the power of an MS language model behind it.) But int eh article the MS marketing dude said they need to have "control" in that format. Maybe I interpreted that wrong but to me it didn't sound open in the sense of web standards open. Also have the problem of two "standards" out there. One controlled by Adobe and one by MS. Which would you trust more with a "standard"? I'm not sure. Adobe has had some issues with the post script standard, but then again, MS and open standards?... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival On 10/31/05, John Bartow wrote: > What do you think? Personally I see it as Microsoft trying to push a uniform format for their information. As a whole, it seems like people are pushing more and more towards a uniform way to store / transmit pure data (XML, RSS, etc) From darsant at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 15:32:12 2005 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:32:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <012a01c5de61$f29719f0$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <53c8e05a0510311234k36732449kf416aa31e2a36484@mail.gmail.com> <012a01c5de61$f29719f0$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0510311332v60666aaes3a734eb00d86a36d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/05, John Bartow wrote: > Also have the problem of two "standards" out there. One controlled by Adobe > and one by MS. Which would you trust more with a "standard"? I'm not sure. > Adobe has had some issues with the post script standard, but then again, MS > and open standards?... Exactly what I'm thinking. Microsoft has a bad line with standards. >From port to port in Visual Studio I have to spend a good chunk of time trying to diagnose why a new bug cropped up when we switch to a newer version. Access VB programming was also another fun thing when we upgraded. I don't see the open source crowd catching and helping build a Microsoft format, for both anti-Microsoft resentment, and because of the lack of backward-compatibility issues it's sure to arise. If I had to guess, Microsoft will try to make it a key point of the next Office suite and perhaps Vista, so much so that it'll be a big pain to work around if you don't want to use their format. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 31 15:55:41 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:55:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft targets Adobe with PDF rival In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0510311332v60666aaes3a734eb00d86a36d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013601c5de65$d6da96c0$6e01a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I hadn't thought about that but I think that it's a good guess! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Josh McFarlane Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:32 PM If I had to guess, Microsoft will try to make it a key point of the next Office suite and perhaps Vista, so much so that it'll be a big pain to work around if you don't want to use their format. From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 31 22:50:35 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:50:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Problem Message-ID: <038801c5de9f$cc5c1400$6501a8c0@HAL9004> I spent the day reformatting the HD on the portable which my 15 y.o. commandeered for high school and got so bollixed up that even he agreed we needed to wipe it. (It's WXP Home) So everything's back together but when I configured Outlook Express for his email I was logged in to my account, not his. So now, all his backlog of email is in OE in my account. When I switch to his account and fire up OE there's no email there. It's all in OE in my account. Is there any easy way to transfer the email between WXP user accounts? Hope this makes sense. MTIA Rocky