From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 1 10:25:39 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:25:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] file renaming utility In-Reply-To: <200508311738.j7VHcmR25548@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200509011525.j81FPiR27901@databaseadvisors.com> Kathryn, I tried it out and it was the best one I found. But since I only plan to use it once I am going with the free, unlimited "Rename-It!" from the open source forums on Source Forge. It doesn't integrate into explorer the way BFR did - it's a separate dialog window but will get me through this fopah! Thanks for the help, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Thanks, I'll try it out! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett http://www.publicspace.net/windows/BetterFileRename/ I love this program. The free version you can do 10 files at a time, and I quickly bought the unlimited version. I'm glad I looked this up for you, because I see they've brought out a new version. In addition to the caps case, you can "add at beginning" "add at end" "replace at beginning", "replace anywhere" etc - about two dozen choices of things. The thing I do the most often is changing the names of photos from my digital camera. For instance, I'll have a file called: HPIM0911.JPG through HPIM0950.JPG and using Better File Rename, I'll end up with 20050730CheckerShow-911.jpg through 20050730CheckerShow-950.jpg I have a couple of my genealogy clients I've got using it as well. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 1 10:38:43 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:38:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> Hi all I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which is seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a SIMPLE way to do it? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jim.moss at jlmoss.net Thu Sep 1 13:24:55 2005 From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:24:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <5418.65.196.182.34.1125599095.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Jon, Since nobody else has bitten on this one, you can try using the following: Application.ImportXML ("c:\somexmlfile.xml"), acStructureAndData if you only have an xml file. Compare the files to ensure that you have all of the data. If data is stored as attributes then you are going to need to do a transformation, and then I'm lost as last year's easter eggs. Does the export from the host generate an xsl ans well as an xml file? Jim > Hi all > > I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try > and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which > is > seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > > So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > SIMPLE way to do it? > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 17:19:12 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? In-Reply-To: <5418.65.196.182.34.1125599095.squirrel@65.196.182.34> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> <5418.65.196.182.34.1125599095.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Message-ID: Access 2003 also supports XML, it's as simple as just "Import" choose the xml file, and go..if the xml string does not have an xsl then you'll need to define field types, otherwise it's a quick wizard process. On 9/1/05, Jim Moss wrote: > > Jon, > > Since nobody else has bitten on this one, you can try using the following: > > Application.ImportXML ("c:\somexmlfile.xml"), acStructureAndData > > if you only have an xml file. Compare the files to ensure that you have > all of the data. If data is stored as attributes then you are going to > need to do a transformation, and then I'm lost as last year's easter eggs. > > Does the export from the host generate an xsl ans well as an xml file? > > Jim > > > > > Hi all > > > > I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to > try > > and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which > > is > > seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > > > > So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > > SIMPLE way to do it? > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Sep 1 18:21:36 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:21:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> <5418.65.196.182.34.1125599095.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Message-ID: <43178D00.7030007@shaw.ca> Well ImportXML it works in Access 2003, however in Access 2002, it is best described as very wobbly, where it was first introduced. If you have an attribute centric xml file of the type generated by persisting an ADODB.recordset you have to use an XSLT transform to reduce it to flat xml before using ImportXML. but if that were the case you might as well bring it back into a table via ADODB methods. However there is a XSLT transform published here that does it. You cannot import attribute-centric XML (old MS name ADTG) in Access This is a very specific XML format (MS only), if you are using your own Attributes you may have to write your own XSLT or just parse from the XMLDOM. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q285329 I am still not sure how Access handles an xsd schema, if it is defined internally to the xml file it doesn't seem to accept an external xsd file on import, however it does produce one on export. Code to create an ADTG or ADODB xml file. Public Sub SaveRecordset() Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset With rst .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection .CursorLocation = adUseClient .Open "SELECT * FROM BusinessDetails" .ActiveConnection = Nothing .Save "c:\xml\rss\BusinessDetails.xml", adPersistXML .Close End With End Sub Public Sub CountRecords() Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset rst.Open "c:\xml\rss\BusinessDetails.xml" Debug.Print rst.RecordCount rst.Close End Sub Jim Moss wrote: >Jon, > >Since nobody else has bitten on this one, you can try using the following: > >Application.ImportXML ("c:\somexmlfile.xml"), acStructureAndData > >if you only have an xml file. Compare the files to ensure that you have >all of the data. If data is stored as attributes then you are going to >need to do a transformation, and then I'm lost as last year's easter eggs. > >Does the export from the host generate an xsl ans well as an xml file? > >Jim > > > > > >>Hi all >> >>I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try >>and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which >>is >>seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. >> >>So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a >>SIMPLE way to do it? >> >> >>Jon >> >> >>The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >>privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >>to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >>ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >>Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >>Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Sep 1 18:47:39 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:47:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4317931B.4070104@shaw.ca> For those of you with lower versions of Access below 2003, here is one very simple method. of reading a flat xml into an Access Table. If nothing else the xml error handler for parsing is useful to find the exact character the parse fails on. Without it you may find yourself counting hundreds of characters. reminiscent of counting cobol printer output positioning without a ruler. This method breaks if you are missing an xml element in a record or element is out of order which is permissible in xml unless enforced by a schema xsd file or the older DTD. So you would to address individual xmldom nodes via an array index and .getElementsByTagName method You will also have to modify the XPath transform to suit your xml file. '?LoadXMLFile("C:\XML\AdviserDetails.xml") Public Function LoadXMLFile(ByRef AdviserXML As String) On Error GoTo ErrorHandler Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40 Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap Dim xPError As IXMLDOMParseError Dim Mydb As Database Dim MyRS As Recordset Dim sTempValue As String Dim lrec As Long Dim lnorec As Long Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40 oDOMDocument.async = False oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = True 'you may want to parse for errors oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True 'use below if string or http xml file ' If Not oDOMDocument.LoadXML(AdviserXML) Then ' MsgBox ("XML File error") ' Call Err.Raise(ERR_UNABLE_TO_LOAD_ADVISER_XML, ,ERRDESC_UNABLE_TO_LOAD_ADVISER_XML) 'End If 'use if xml disk file If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then MsgBox ("XML File error") Set xPError = oDOMDocument.parseError DOMParseError xPError End If Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement 'Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = oAdviserDetailsNode.Attributes Set Mydb = CurrentDb Set MyRS = Mydb.OpenRecordset("NewTable") 'use appropriate XPath expression to select nodes Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//BusinessDetails/*") lnorec = 0 lrec = 0 Debug.Print oNodeList.length MyRS.AddNew For Each oLowestLevelNode In oNodeList sTempValue = oLowestLevelNode.Text lrec = lrec + 1 Select Case oLowestLevelNode.nodeName Case "BusinessName" MyRS!BusinessName = sTempValue Case "AddressLine1" MyRS!AddressLine1 = sTempValue Case "AddressLine2" MyRS!AddressLine2 = sTempValue Case "Suburb" MyRS!Suburb = sTempValue Case "State" MyRS!State = sTempValue Debug.Print sTempValue Case "Postcode" MyRS!Postcode = sTempValue Case "PhoneNumber" MyRS!PhoneNumber = sTempValue Case "Email" MyRS!Email = sTempValue Case "FaxNumber" MyRS!FaxNumber = sTempValue End Select If lrec = 9 Then '9 elements in business details MyRS.Update lnorec = lnorec + 1 lrec = 0 MyRS.AddNew End If Next MsgBox "Records Added=" & lnorec Set MyRS = Nothing Set Mydb = Nothing Set oDOMDocument = Nothing Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing Exit Function ErrorHandler: ' Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description) End Function Sub DOMParseError(xPE As IXMLDOMParseError) ' The document failed to load. Dim strErrText As String ' Obtain the ParseError object With xPE strErrText = "Your XML Document failed to load" & _ "due the following error." & vbCrLf & _ "Error #: " & .errorCode & ": " & xPE.reason & _ "Line #: " & .Line & vbCrLf & _ "Line Position: " & .linepos & vbCrLf & _ "Position In File: " & .filepos & vbCrLf & _ "Source Text: " & .srcText & vbCrLf & _ "Document URL: " & .url End With Debug.Print strErrText Dim s As String Dim r As String Dim i As Long s = "" For i = 1 To xPE.linepos - 1 s = s & " " Next r = "XML Error loading " & xPE.url & " * " & xPE.reason Debug.Print r 'show character postion of error; tired of counting chars in xml file If (xPE.Line > 0) Then r = "at line " & xPE.Line & ", character " & xPE.linepos & vbCrLf & _ xPE.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^" End If Debug.Print r MsgBox strErrText, vbExclamation End Sub If you cut and paste this xml file below into notepad save as UTF-8 unicode format otherwise the encoding statement wont agree with saved format and the file BOM will be missing. "AdviserDetails.xml" "AD Business Name" "AD Address Line 1" "AD Address Line 2" "AD Suburb" "AD State" "AD PostCode" "AD Phone Number" "AD Email" "AD Fax Number" "My Business Name" "My Address Line 1" " My Address Line 2" "My Suburb" "My State" "MyPostCode" "My Phone Number" "MyEmail" "My Fax Number" Jon Tydda wrote: >Hi all > >I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try >and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which is >seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > >So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a >SIMPLE way to do it? > > >Jon > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Sep 2 00:05:22 2005 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:05:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Basica be run on XP? Message-ID: <20050901220523.1473A099@dm16.mta.everyone.net> My father is old school and I just got him into a new computer running XP pro. Most of the programs he's already written using basica are working, but when he runs basica to program something new, he's getting a divide overflow. I've no clue what to tell him he needs to do. Anybody? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 2 03:15:15 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:15:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FD2@ALCUXB> Thanks Jim, Francisco and Marty, I'll pass these on to the guy that asked me. I know we've only got Access 2000 here, and I'm pretty sure he told me that the data can only be exported as XML. I'll see what he says. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moss [mailto:jim.moss at jlmoss.net] Sent: 01 September 2005 19:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XML to access? Jon, Since nobody else has bitten on this one, you can try using the following: Application.ImportXML ("c:\somexmlfile.xml"), acStructureAndData if you only have an xml file. Compare the files to ensure that you have all of the data. If data is stored as attributes then you are going to need to do a transformation, and then I'm lost as last year's easter eggs. Does the export from the host generate an xsl ans well as an xml file? Jim > Hi all > > I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try > and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which > is > seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > > So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > SIMPLE way to do it? > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 2 05:07:05 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:07:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Basica be run on XP? Message-ID: Hi Kathryn Basica? The old IBM basic for DOS? How about creating a short cut and adjust the settings at the compatibility tab. Or he may have too many GBs of ram. Or switch to PowerBasic or RealBasic for a fee, or one of the free compilers: http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml /gustav >>> kathryn at bassett.net 02-09-2005 07:05 >>> My father is old school and I just got him into a new computer running XP pro. Most of the programs he's already written using basica are working, but when he runs basica to program something new, he's getting a divide overflow. I've no clue what to tell him he needs to do. Anybody? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Sep 2 10:47:29 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:47:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FD2@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <43187411.6040307@shaw.ca> One other way for older version of Access is read xml file into xmldom and convert to csv file via xslt and import csv file into access table, long way around but I have the xslt transform lying around. It should be on MS site somewhere. There are a lot of different styles of xml formats. Jon Tydda wrote: >Thanks Jim, Francisco and Marty, I'll pass these on to the guy that asked >me. I know we've only got Access 2000 here, and I'm pretty sure he told me >that the data can only be exported as XML. I'll see what he says. > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Moss [mailto:jim.moss at jlmoss.net] >Sent: 01 September 2005 19:25 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > > >Jon, > >Since nobody else has bitten on this one, you can try using the following: > >Application.ImportXML ("c:\somexmlfile.xml"), acStructureAndData > >if you only have an xml file. Compare the files to ensure that you have >all of the data. If data is stored as attributes then you are going to >need to do a transformation, and then I'm lost as last year's easter eggs. > >Does the export from the host generate an xsl ans well as an xml file? > >Jim > > > > > >>Hi all >> >>I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try >>and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which >>is >>seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. >> >>So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a >>SIMPLE way to do it? >> >> >>Jon >> >> >>The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >>privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >>to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >>ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >>Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >>Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From artful at rogers.com Fri Sep 2 16:32:57 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access In-Reply-To: <43187411.6040307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <200509022132.j82LWvR05622@databaseadvisors.com> For those youngsters in the group, a couple of guys (C. Wayne Ratliff and Jeb Long) were the principal architects and developers behind dBASE II and beyond. Ratliff left Ashton-Tate after dBASE III, IIRC, and Jeb took over and did dBASE IV.) Wayne went on to write a database and language called Emerald Bay. A knowledgeable friend of mine claims that Microsoft purchased the core technology to Emerald Bay and rolled it into Access. For several reasons, I dispute this claim. First of all, EB was at heart a client-server system. Second, lots of Google-searches have yielded not a shred of evidence supporting this theory. Third, I think that my friend may be confusing the acquisition of FoxPro with his alleged acquisition of EB. The FoxPro Rushmore technology was rolled into Access: this is well-known. As Jack Web (Dragnet) used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am". My friend claims to have seen evidence for his theory by visiting various MDBs and the Access executable itself with a hex editor. I haven't used a hex editor since the days of DOS, and besides that I have grown old and slow and wouldn't know where to begin the search to verify or refute my friend's claim. I have no axe to grind here. In fact, I think that I was the first person to land an interview with Wayne. The cover of that issue of "Data-Based Advisor" read "Ratliff Talks!" LOL. Hardly up to the standard of Woodward and Bernstein, admittedly, but I did get the interview and learned much about the early history of dBASE-II and beyond. It would please me if my friend were correct, and that Wayne did sell Emerald Bay code to MS, and that some of that code lives still in Access. But for the aforementioned reasons, it just doesn't make sense to me. So, questions: 1. Does anyone have any info on this purported sale of Emerald Bay code to MS, and subsequent use thereof? 2. Can anyone recommend a free hex editor that is Windows-XP compliant? (I don't mind buying software, but in this case I have only one use for it.) Apologies for the long ramble. Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 2 17:23:33 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:23:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access In-Reply-To: <200509022132.j82LWvR05622@databaseadvisors.com> References: <43187411.6040307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43195D85.31288.E9EF5FF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 2 Sep 2005 at 17:32, Arthur Fuller wrote: > 1. Does anyone have any info on this purported sale of Emerald Bay code > to MS, and subsequent use thereof? Can't help with that one but - > 2. Can anyone recommend a free hex editor that is Windows-XP compliant? (I > don't mind buying software, but in this case I have only one use for it.) >From http://www.pricelessware.org: Frhed Windows Ver: 95 / 98 / ME / NT4 / 2000 / XP Frhed (free hex editor) is a small, fast and powerful binary file editor. Features include search and replace for any combination of binary and text data, file comparison, bit manipulation, customizable display colors and font size, ANSI or OEM character set, cut and paste, bookmarking and more. With Frhed you can also apply binary templates for structured information, load files partially (for working on huge programs), and export as hexdump to file or clipboard. Frhed currently does not support Undo. http://www.kibria.de/frhed.html (frhed156.zip) (307 Kb) Notes: Alternate downloads: http://www.filesearching.com/ -- Stuart From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 3 02:06:08 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:06:08 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access Message-ID: Hi Arthur Couldn't your friend be mixing up Microsoft with Migent as Migent must have bought Emerald Bay to - as indicated here - be able to sell it back later to Wayne Ratliff: http://www.foxprohistory.org/xbasetoolsother.htm I must admit I've never heard of Emerald Bay, while Vulcan rings a tiny bell. Interesting note, by the way, on that page about RBase ... /gustav >>> artful at rogers.com 02-09-2005 23:32 >>> For those youngsters in the group, a couple of guys (C. Wayne Ratliff and Jeb Long) were the principal architects and developers behind dBASE II and beyond. Ratliff left Ashton-Tate after dBASE III, IIRC, and Jeb took over and did dBASE IV.) Wayne went on to write a database and language called Emerald Bay. A knowledgeable friend of mine claims that Microsoft purchased the core technology to Emerald Bay and rolled it into Access. For several reasons, I dispute this claim. First of all, EB was at heart a client-server system. Second, lots of Google-searches have yielded not a shred of evidence supporting this theory. Third, I think that my friend may be confusing the acquisition of FoxPro with his alleged acquisition of EB. The FoxPro Rushmore technology was rolled into Access: this is well-known. As Jack Web (Dragnet) used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am". My friend claims to have seen evidence for his theory by visiting various MDBs and the Access executable itself with a hex editor. I haven't used a hex editor since the days of DOS, and besides that I have grown old and slow and wouldn't know where to begin the search to verify or refute my friend's claim. I have no axe to grind here. In fact, I think that I was the first person to land an interview with Wayne. The cover of that issue of "Data-Based Advisor" read "Ratliff Talks!" LOL. Hardly up to the standard of Woodward and Bernstein, admittedly, but I did get the interview and learned much about the early history of dBASE-II and beyond. It would please me if my friend were correct, and that Wayne did sell Emerald Bay code to MS, and that some of that code lives still in Access. But for the aforementioned reasons, it just doesn't make sense to me. So, questions: 1. Does anyone have any info on this purported sale of Emerald Bay code to MS, and subsequent use thereof? 2. Can anyone recommend a free hex editor that is Windows-XP compliant? (I don't mind buying software, but in this case I have only one use for it.) Apologies for the long ramble. Arthur From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 3 09:14:20 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:14:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200509031414.j83EEQR23375@databaseadvisors.com> "RBase by Microrim. In the mid-80's Microsoft negotiated to merge with Microrim for 25% of Microsoft stock. The deal fell through because Microrim held out for 30%. As a further irony, the basic design of Access was created by a group of ex-Microrim programmers." About that time I had a support contract without MicroRim. I kept getting a new guy on the other end of the phone every time I called, which in those days was unusual. One day I got someone that was quite high in the company for support. I thought it was very weird. I asked him about all the changes and he bitterly said something to the effect that "Microsoft is stealing all of our employees". The next time I called they were gone, closed, kaput. Shortly after one of the larger customers bought the rights for Rbase and moved everything to Pittsburg. Sad story. Basically corporate espionage. I can see the influence they had on Access though. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Interesting note, by the way, on that page about RBase ... /gustav From shamil at users.mns.ru Sun Sep 4 09:17:49 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:17:49 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000b01c5b15b$db6cad40$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Jon, I did publish here http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/?postid=24 several relatively simple methods to code XML import in VBA. HTH, Shamil P.S. What is your XML file structure? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > Hi all > > I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try > and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which is > seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > > So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > SIMPLE way to do it? > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Sun Sep 4 09:47:39 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:47:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List Software Upgrade Complete Message-ID: <431AD0CB.2128.3CF811@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The list software upgrade went as smoothly as it ever has and was upgraded without a hitch. I think all totalled the lists were down for less than 10 minutes. Have a wonderful rest of the weekend. Your Listmaster, -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com A feature is a bug with seniority. From shamil at users.mns.ru Sun Sep 4 11:27:04 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:27:04 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access References: <200509031414.j83EEQR23375@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <005301c5b171$a17bc0b0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> My guess is that Stan Leszynski influenced MS Access a lot as he did RBase before: "1987: Wrote R:Tools utility and sold it to Microrim. This became the bestselling developer toolset ever for R:BASE." ... "1992: Recruited by Microsoft to review and test Microsoft Access early alpha. Became the first solution provider to build Access applications." ... http://www.leszynski.com/abtHistory.htm Every professional VBA developer knows and uses LRNC and "MS Access 97 Expert Solutions" is no doubt the best book on MS Access development... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Emerald Bay and Access > "RBase by Microrim. In the mid-80's Microsoft negotiated to merge with > Microrim for 25% of Microsoft stock. The deal fell through because Microrim > held out for 30%. As a further irony, the basic design of Access was created > by a group of ex-Microrim programmers." > > About that time I had a support contract without MicroRim. I kept getting a > new guy on the other end of the phone every time I called, which in those > days was unusual. One day I got someone that was quite high in the company > for support. I thought it was very weird. I asked him about all the changes > and he bitterly said something to the effect that "Microsoft is stealing all > of our employees". The next time I called they were gone, closed, kaput. > Shortly after one of the larger customers bought the rights for Rbase and > moved everything to Pittsburg. Sad story. Basically corporate espionage. I > can see the influence they had on Access though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > > Interesting note, by the way, on that page about RBase ... > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Sep 4 14:03:21 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:03:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB> <000b01c5b15b$db6cad40$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <431B44F9.5090006@shaw.ca> I have some basic error handler code for SAX parsing both with and without an xsd file Avoids a lot of head scratching. I didn't think of building fields in the table this way, I was going to do it from an xsd file. 'To invoke error handling Set m_oIError = New IErrorHandler with Reader Set .errorHandler = m_oIError .putFeature "schema-validation", True .putFeature "exhaustive-errors", True .putFeature "use-schema-location", False 'not using xsd file and '---------------------------------------------------- 'Class IErrorHandler.cls '---------------------------------------------------- Implements IVBSAXErrorHandler Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_error(ByVal oLocator As MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) MsgBox "Error " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ " - " & oLocator.publicId Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ " - " & oLocator.publicId End Sub Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_fatalError(ByVal oLocator As MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) MsgBox "Fatal " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber End Sub Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_ignorableWarning(ByVal oLocator As MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) MsgBox "Warning " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber End Sub '---------------------------------------------------- Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Jon, > >I did publish here http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/?postid=24 several >relatively simple methods to code XML import in VBA. > >HTH, >Shamil > >P.S. What is your XML file structure? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Tydda" >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:38 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > > > > >>Hi all >> >>I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try >>and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which >> >> >is > > >>seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. >> >>So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a >>SIMPLE way to do it? >> >> >>Jon >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil at users.mns.ru Sun Sep 4 14:44:02 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:44:02 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC83FC9@ALCUXB><000b01c5b15b$db6cad40$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <431B44F9.5090006@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000901c5b189$5cfc1f30$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Marty, Yes, error handling is needed of course. And yes, using XML schema to get the fields' list would be a useful addition. If you have time and if you wanted to extend this code http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/topics/xmltests.htm then please make your corrections and I will publish them there with all the credits to your corrections and solution... Thank you, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > I have some basic error handler code for SAX parsing both with and > without an xsd file > Avoids a lot of head scratching. > I didn't think of building fields in the table this way, I was going to > do it from an xsd file. > > 'To invoke error handling > > Set m_oIError = New IErrorHandler > with Reader > Set .errorHandler = m_oIError > .putFeature "schema-validation", True > .putFeature "exhaustive-errors", True > .putFeature "use-schema-location", False 'not using xsd file > and > '---------------------------------------------------- > 'Class IErrorHandler.cls > '---------------------------------------------------- > > > Implements IVBSAXErrorHandler > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_error(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Error " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber > & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ > " - " & oLocator.publicId > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ > " - " & oLocator.publicId > End Sub > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_fatalError(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Fatal " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber > & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > > End Sub > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_ignorableWarning(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Warning " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & > oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > End Sub > > '---------------------------------------------------- > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Jon, > > > >I did publish here http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/?postid=24 several > >relatively simple methods to code XML import in VBA. > > > >HTH, > >Shamil > > > >P.S. What is your XML file structure? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jon Tydda" > >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:38 PM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > > > > > > > > > >>Hi all > >> > >>I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try > >>and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which > >> > >> > >is > > > > > >>seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > >> > >>So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > >>SIMPLE way to do it? > >> > >> > >>Jon > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 5 06:04:36 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:04:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84004@ALCUXB> Thanks again guys, I've passed the mails on to my colleague, and he's going to let me know if it works or not. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] Sent: 04 September 2005 20:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XML to access? Marty, Yes, error handling is needed of course. And yes, using XML schema to get the fields' list would be a useful addition. If you have time and if you wanted to extend this code http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/topics/xmltests.htm then please make your corrections and I will publish them there with all the credits to your corrections and solution... Thank you, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > I have some basic error handler code for SAX parsing both with and > without an xsd file > Avoids a lot of head scratching. > I didn't think of building fields in the table this way, I was going to > do it from an xsd file. > > 'To invoke error handling > > Set m_oIError = New IErrorHandler > with Reader > Set .errorHandler = m_oIError > .putFeature "schema-validation", True > .putFeature "exhaustive-errors", True > .putFeature "use-schema-location", False 'not using xsd file > and > '---------------------------------------------------- > 'Class IErrorHandler.cls > '---------------------------------------------------- > > > Implements IVBSAXErrorHandler > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_error(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Error " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber > & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ > " - " & oLocator.publicId > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber & _ > " - " & oLocator.publicId > End Sub > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_fatalError(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Fatal " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber > & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > > End Sub > > Private Sub IVBSAXErrorHandler_ignorableWarning(ByVal oLocator As > MSXML2.IVBSAXLocator, strErrorMessage As String, ByVal nErrorCode As Long) > MsgBox "Warning " & strErrorMessage & " - line " & > oLocator.lineNumber & " ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > Debug.Print strErrorMessage & " - line " & oLocator.lineNumber & " > ,column " & oLocator.columnNumber > End Sub > > '---------------------------------------------------- > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Jon, > > > >I did publish here http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/?postid=24 several > >relatively simple methods to code XML import in VBA. > > > >HTH, > >Shamil > > > >P.S. What is your XML file structure? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jon Tydda" > >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:38 PM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] XML to access? > > > > > > > > > >>Hi all > >> > >>I've not used access much, but as the IT guy here, I've been asked to try > >>and find a way to import data into an access db from an xml sheet, which > >> > >> > >is > > > > > >>seemingly the only way we can oupput from the software we have. > >> > >>So in view of it being the blind leading the blind, as such, is there a > >>SIMPLE way to do it? > >> > >> > >>Jon > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 7 12:11:55 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:11:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers Message-ID: <00eb01c5b3cf$44336bf0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Is anyone here playing or working with PIC Microcontrollers? I have been interested in controller applications forever (in my previous life I was into electronics), and in fact I designed a vending machine while I was working down in Mexico that used a Z-World SBC. I have discovered that you can request engineering samples of these little beauties (PIC u controllers) and am starting to gather the stuff to program them. I was just wondering if anyone else does this stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 7 15:06:38 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:06:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers In-Reply-To: <00eb01c5b3cf$44336bf0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <200509072006.j87K6dT10813@databaseadvisors.com> No, I have my pet projects that are way too time intensive but not with these. What you planning? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Is anyone here playing or working with PIC Microcontrollers? I have been interested in controller applications forever (in my previous life I was into electronics), and in fact I designed a vending machine while I was working down in Mexico that used a Z-World SBC. I have discovered that you can request engineering samples of these little beauties (PIC u controllers) and am starting to gather the stuff to program them. I was just wondering if anyone else does this stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 7 21:09:24 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:09:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers In-Reply-To: <200509072006.j87K6dT10813@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <010001c5b41a$55938dd0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> I don't really have any plans yet. These are little ICs with all the pieces of a computer built right in, including (in some cases) timers, analog to digital converters, i/o pins, ram, rom etc. Thus you build an application that needs a little processor power, program it in assembler, C or basic, store the program in the processor and then run it. For example you could get a tiny little 8 pin device that could run a stepper motor. You use 4 pins for the stepper control and another pair as a serial interface to a master controller. Program the stepper controller to be a wheel of a robot. The little 8 pin pic just turns the wheel but it can now respond to "commands" like "forward", "Reverse", "Speed=X" etc. The stepper controller can be programmed to ramp up / down the wheel "speed", and all that kind of stuff. By having the stepper controller a "unit", you can then put two of them onto a robot and have the master controller just send the commands to the two wheels to cause the robot to move. The master controller can concentrate on other things, while the stepper controller just controls the stepper motor and thus a wheel on the robot. These chips have serial i/o built in called I2C which is a master/slave serial interface which allows the chips to talk to each other at pretty high speeds, with libraries already written to allow the chips to "know how" to use the port. These controllers are dirt cheap, like a dollar or two for the little ones with 8 pins and 2 kbytes of flash (rom) memory up to $10 for a big controller with 40 pins and 8k or even more flash ram. What costs much more is the setup. Purchased boards for programming them run $40 to $70, the basic (or C ) compiler runs $80-$100 etc. So it isn't a cheap hobby, although it also isn't like owning an ATV or something like that. $200 can set you up with everything you need to build a dozen PIC boards for playing with. Basically these are the little ucontrollers used to control microwave ovens, televisions and other such stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers No, I have my pet projects that are way too time intensive but not with these. What you planning? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Is anyone here playing or working with PIC Microcontrollers? I have been interested in controller applications forever (in my previous life I was into electronics), and in fact I designed a vending machine while I was working down in Mexico that used a Z-World SBC. I have discovered that you can request engineering samples of these little beauties (PIC u controllers) and am starting to gather the stuff to program them. I was just wondering if anyone else does this stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Sep 7 22:06:19 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:06:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers References: <010001c5b41a$55938dd0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <431FAAAB.80804@shaw.ca> Wrote something like that back in late 80's, essentially a remote weather station for DOT wind gauge, ceilorometer, dew cell thermometer etc. All running off Intel 8036 4K chips that communicated with an Intel 8081 for landline communications. Got the gig by mistake, someone read my resume that had PL1 on it and mistook it for PLM (an old Intel Macro assembler language). Luckily I had a little backround in DOS, IBM and Honeywell assembler. I do remember having to write lookup tables for sin cosine functions. You do need good emulator software before you go burning a lot of flash rom's. John W. Colby wrote: >I don't really have any plans yet. These are little ICs with all the pieces >of a computer built right in, including (in some cases) timers, analog to >digital converters, i/o pins, ram, rom etc. Thus you build an application >that needs a little processor power, program it in assembler, C or basic, >store the program in the processor and then run it. > >For example you could get a tiny little 8 pin device that could run a >stepper motor. You use 4 pins for the stepper control and another pair as a >serial interface to a master controller. Program the stepper controller to >be a wheel of a robot. The little 8 pin pic just turns the wheel but it can >now respond to "commands" like "forward", "Reverse", "Speed=X" etc. The >stepper controller can be programmed to ramp up / down the wheel "speed", >and all that kind of stuff. By having the stepper controller a "unit", you >can then put two of them onto a robot and have the master controller just >send the commands to the two wheels to cause the robot to move. The master >controller can concentrate on other things, while the stepper controller >just controls the stepper motor and thus a wheel on the robot. > >These chips have serial i/o built in called I2C which is a master/slave >serial interface which allows the chips to talk to each other at pretty high >speeds, with libraries already written to allow the chips to "know how" to >use the port. > >These controllers are dirt cheap, like a dollar or two for the little ones >with 8 pins and 2 kbytes of flash (rom) memory up to $10 for a big >controller with 40 pins and 8k or even more flash ram. What costs much more >is the setup. Purchased boards for programming them run $40 to $70, the >basic (or C ) compiler runs $80-$100 etc. So it isn't a cheap hobby, >although it also isn't like owning an ATV or something like that. $200 can >set you up with everything you need to build a dozen PIC boards for playing >with. > >Basically these are the little ucontrollers used to control microwave ovens, >televisions and other such stuff. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:07 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers > > >No, I have my pet projects that are way too time intensive but not with >these. What you planning? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > >Is anyone here playing or working with PIC Microcontrollers? I have been >interested in controller applications forever (in my previous life I was >into electronics), and in fact I designed a vending machine while I was >working down in Mexico that used a Z-World SBC. I have discovered that you >can request engineering samples of these little beauties (PIC u controllers) >and am starting to gather the stuff to program them. I was just wondering >if anyone else does this stuff. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 7 23:09:15 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:09:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers In-Reply-To: <431FAAAB.80804@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000201c5b42b$188ec3d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Most of these things have flash ram so you can write it over and over. These are really cute little chips and pretty darned fast as well, anywhere from 4 to 20 MHz. They are a RISC processor with about 40 machine instructions total, and various amounts of ram / flash ram, I/O pins, etc. All depends on what you are willing to spend. I must admit that after the z-world Z-80 I was working on for the vending machine project I am kind of spoiled, but then that was back in 97 so I have a few years between me and that job. That was a z-80 with something like 512 k of battery backed static ram which was used to download the program into. They have their own C compiler with a multi-tasking core etc. About 20 I/O pins with high current drivers, built-in timers, watchdog timers, counters, interrupt pins etc. Of course each board was about $180 or so, compared to a few dollars for the PIC series, depending of course on what you want to get for your money. That was in fact my sole real experience with long term programming in C. Almost 2 years from start to finish. I have to tell you that job was more fun than anything I have ever done, before or since. We were building a little machine that hung on the wall and sold phone cards for the TelMex phone system. We designed a little card dispenser (hopper) with photo diode sensors and switches to sense the position of a card being dispensed. Because of my electronics background I designed all of the switch / led sensor stuff as well as drivers for the card dispenser motor. The machine had a bill acceptor from an American company that the SBC talked to over RS-488, basically sending simple byte strings of bill value. All of the electronics and the bill acceptor just connected right to the Z-80 SBC. We then brought out an RS232 port through the wall of the box, which a handheld computer connected to. The hand held was used by the technician to download sales data from the vending machine - number of cards sold and price of each card, how much money should be in the bill acceptor, plus time of day for each sale etc. It then uploaded to the vending machine how many cards were being installed, the price of the card (if the price was changing) etc. The handheld was then brought in to the office and the data dumped into a database running on a PC to consolidate sales data from all the machines. We actually produced about 200 of these machines, and installed about 100, including a slew of them in the Mexico city subway system, and a slew more in tiendas and malls around Puebla. I did all of the vending machine design and programming, another programmer did the handheld - in Clipper, and another programmer did the desktop database, in FoxPro. FoxPro and Clipper were (and probably still are) big in Mexico. Programming the machine was a blast because of the multi-tasking core which I used to cycle through tasks looking at the bill acceptor, card dispenser, RS-232 port as well as handling the recording of sales data when a card dispensed. In a system like that you "do it all", so I had to design structures for each sale, with a double linked list to chain the sales structures in memory, then walk the list dumping the data to the handheld etc. Tons of fun for a programmer. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: PIC micro controllers Wrote something like that back in late 80's, essentially a remote weather station for DOT wind gauge, ceilorometer, dew cell thermometer etc. All running off Intel 8036 4K chips that communicated with an Intel 8081 for landline communications. Got the gig by mistake, someone read my resume that had PL1 on it and mistook it for PLM (an old Intel Macro assembler language). Luckily I had a little backround in DOS, IBM and Honeywell assembler. I do remember having to write lookup tables for sin cosine functions. You do need good emulator software before you go burning a lot of flash rom's. From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Sep 8 11:22:32 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:22:32 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting Message-ID: <000c01c5b491$85b4bf80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, Anybody uses ASP.NET Hosting anywhere? I'm looking for reliable, relatively inexpensive, accessable for administartiuon not not only via HTTP but also via FTP ASP.NET hosting... - in other words a good and a quick one - any suggestions? (The ones I see on top ten google list do look good but when I try to setup a trial account they or ask for payment for doman name or their management console "dies" when I try to access it from here).... Thank you, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From James at fcidms.com Thu Sep 8 12:01:51 2005 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:01:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting In-Reply-To: <000c01c5b491$85b4bf80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <0IMI00CG9CN3D8N8@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Shamil: I use DiscountASP.net as a host. It is relatively inexpensive (I think it cost me 120USD per year) and I haven't had any problems with it. I'm not sure it is responsive enough for an e-commerce site but it's been fine for my uses. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:23 PM To: !dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting Hi All, Anybody uses ASP.NET Hosting anywhere? 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Thank you, Shamil -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Sep 8 13:31:37 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:31:37 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting References: <0IMI00CG9CN3D8N8@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <009d01c5b4a3$8d60d6d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you James, Yes, they look good, they have good references, and they are relatively inexpensive. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Barash" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting > Shamil: > > I use DiscountASP.net as a host. It is relatively inexpensive (I think it > cost me 120USD per year) and I haven't had any problems with it. I'm not > sure it is responsive enough for an e-commerce site but it's been fine for > my uses. > > James Barash > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:23 PM > To: !dba-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting > > Hi All, > > Anybody uses ASP.NET Hosting anywhere? > I'm looking for reliable, relatively inexpensive, accessable for > administartiuon not not only via HTTP but also via FTP ASP.NET hosting... - > in other words a good and a quick one - any suggestions? (The ones I see on > top ten google list do look good but when I try to setup a trial account > they or ask for payment for doman name or their management console "dies" > when I try to access it from here).... > > Thank you, > Shamil > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Thu Sep 8 16:21:38 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:21:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? In-Reply-To: <0IMI00CG9CN3D8N8@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <200509082122.j88LLbT25201@databaseadvisors.com> I use FireFox and I LOVE its tabbed-sites interface. I have set it up so that when I load it, I'm instantly on five pages. Two of them involve google (google.ca and gmail). Neither of these links is working but the other three are. Can someone check google.com and/or google.ca and see if they work? At this point I'm guessing that some DoS has successfully compromised them. TIA, Arthur From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Sep 8 16:33:09 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:33:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? In-Reply-To: <200509082122.j88LLbT25201@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <00fa01c5b4bc$e84cdd50$62a80c54@minster33c3r25> Both working fine Arthur. Sorry. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: 08 September 2005 22:22 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? > > > I use FireFox and I LOVE its tabbed-sites interface. I have > set it up so that when I load it, I'm instantly on five > pages. Two of them involve google (google.ca and gmail). > Neither of these links is working but the other three are. > Can someone check google.com and/or google.ca and see if they > work? At this point I'm guessing that some DoS has > successfully compromised them. TIA, Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From artful at rogers.com Thu Sep 8 16:54:25 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:54:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? In-Reply-To: <00fa01c5b4bc$e84cdd50$62a80c54@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <200509082158.j88LwjT01837@databaseadvisors.com> Now it works. Must have been a momentary freeze on their end. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: September 8, 2005 5:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? Both working fine Arthur. Sorry. -- Andy Lacey From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 8 17:18:48 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:18:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? In-Reply-To: <200509082158.j88LwjT01837@databaseadvisors.com> References: <00fa01c5b4bc$e84cdd50$62a80c54@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <43214568.17199.39130EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Sep 2005 at 17:54, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Now it works. Must have been a momentary freeze on their end. > or in any of the intemediate servers you pass through on the way. Try a "tracert google.com" and see how many hops and potential breaking points you go through. -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Thu Sep 8 17:58:32 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:58:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Oh God one bad keystroke! In-Reply-To: <200509082158.j88LwjT01837@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200509082258.j88MwWT18777@databaseadvisors.com> The wrong thing was selected and I just toasted lots and lots of work. I thought I was deleting selected files and failed to notice that the selector was on a directory, and Windows said "Too big for recycle bin" and I said ok. I know that deleting a file merely changes one byte in its header. How can I reveal them and get them back? I'm stupid, I'm stupid, I'm stupid. But I don't want to throw away the last couple of days' productive work. Help! TIA, Arthur From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Sep 8 18:09:57 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:09:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting References: <0IMI00CG9CN3D8N8@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <009d01c5b4a3$8d60d6d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <4320C4C5.1000501@shaw.ca> I used these guys for a trial hosting of asp.net last year However they provide a list of commercial european .net host providers http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/default.aspx?s=profile Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Thank you James, > >Yes, they look good, they have good references, and they are relatively >inexpensive. > >Shamil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James Barash" >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:01 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting > > > > >>Shamil: >> >>I use DiscountASP.net as a host. It is relatively inexpensive (I think it >>cost me 120USD per year) and I haven't had any problems with it. I'm not >>sure it is responsive enough for an e-commerce site but it's been fine for >>my uses. >> >>James Barash >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >>Salakhetdinov >>Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:23 PM >>To: !dba-Tech >>Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP.NET Hosting >> >>Hi All, >> >>Anybody uses ASP.NET Hosting anywhere? >>I'm looking for reliable, relatively inexpensive, accessable for >>administartiuon not not only via HTTP but also via FTP ASP.NET >> >> >hosting... - > > >>in other words a good and a quick one - any suggestions? (The ones I see >> >> >on > > >>top ten google list do look good but when I try to setup a trial account >>they or ask for payment for doman name or their management console "dies" >>when I try to access it from here).... >> >>Thank you, >>Shamil >>-- >>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Sep 8 18:53:39 2005 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:53:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Oh God one bad keystroke! In-Reply-To: <200509082258.j88MwWT18777@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20050908165347.14719EAC@dm17.mta.everyone.net> Aha, one I think I can answer. Boot into safemode with command prompt. Go to the directory above the one you deleted (remember your dos commands?), and type dir *.* -h so you can see the hidden things. Hopefully, if I've remembered right, you'll see the little brat and you can rename it. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: 08 Sep 2005 3:59 pm > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Oh God one bad keystroke! > > The wrong thing was selected and I just toasted lots and lots > of work. I thought I was deleting selected files and failed > to notice that the selector was on a directory, and Windows > said "Too big for recycle bin" and I said ok. > I know that deleting a file merely changes one byte in its > header. How can I reveal them and get them back? > I'm stupid, I'm stupid, I'm stupid. But I don't want to throw > away the last couple of days' productive work. > Help! > TIA, > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 8 21:15:06 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:15:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Oh God one bad keystroke! In-Reply-To: <200509082258.j88MwWT18777@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200509082158.j88LwjT01837@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <43217CCA.1069.4698AC7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Sep 2005 at 18:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The wrong thing was selected and I just toasted lots and lots of work. I > thought I was deleting selected files and failed to notice that the selector > was on a directory, and Windows said "Too big for recycle bin" and I said > ok. > I know that deleting a file merely changes one byte in its header. How can I > reveal them and get them back? > I'm stupid, I'm stupid, I'm stupid. But I don't want to throw away the last > couple of days' productive work. Best USD50.00 I ever spent and it's currently on special at 39.95: DiskInternals Uneraser: http://diskinternals.com/ -- Stuart From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Sep 10 11:04:11 2005 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:04:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera vs Firefox was Re: Google compromised? References: <200509082122.j88LLbT25201@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <009d01c5b621$4894bb50$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Off topic but I got Opera and it's very pretty. But I use Firefox and I'm wondering if there's any compelling reason to switch over? Any opinions? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Google compromised? >I use FireFox and I LOVE its tabbed-sites interface. I have set it up so > that when I load it, I'm instantly on five pages. Two of them involve > google > (google.ca and gmail). Neither of these links is working but the other > three > are. > Can someone check google.com and/or google.ca and see if they work? At > this > point I'm guessing that some DoS has successfully compromised them. > TIA, > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 11:08:58 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:08:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera vs Firefox was Re: Google compromised? In-Reply-To: <009d01c5b621$4894bb50$6501a8c0@HAL9004> References: <200509082122.j88LLbT25201@databaseadvisors.com> <009d01c5b621$4894bb50$6501a8c0@HAL9004> Message-ID: On 10/09/05, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Off topic but I got Opera and it's very pretty. But I use Firefox and I'm > wondering if there's any compelling reason to switch over? > > Any opinions? I've tried Opera over the past few years off and on and never quite liked it. There was just something about it that didn't "feel" quite right. So I stuck with IE until FF came along, and now FF is all I use. Well, that's not quite entirely true, I use IE and Opera to test web pages I design, and IE for sites that don't like FF and that's it. My vote is to stick with FF, but that just my opinion. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 13 07:43:02 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:43:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Connect References: <4310BFF5.3060700@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4326C956.7050101@torchlake.com> Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to someone else, so here goes: As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ 9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that unless I had to. We worked out three ideas: 1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ 2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see if my current card worked in the other machine. 3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my system than the "G" card. I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That did not help the DWL-G520 issues. I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was going to be a last resort effort. The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around (and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works - first try. So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. Best, Tina Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless > broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was > a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a > bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. > > System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how > many Gb HD, think it's 6. > > It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson > until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it > connected to the internet. > > I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and > installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds > it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as > working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the > configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, > WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails > to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen > my settings are gone. > I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I > think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the > Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that > NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? > A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - > that won't work! > > I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot > little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I > thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go > ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and > all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I > feel totally ignorant. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > Tina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 13 08:03:13 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:03:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win98SE Machine Loses Track of the CD-ROM Drive Message-ID: <4326CE11.60006@torchlake.com> Hello again, This is my month to deal with Win98SE problems. This is not a new problem for me, but it kept cropping up while I was trying to get the D-Link wireles card thing solved. Every so often, without warning, my Win98SE machine can't find the CD-ROM. I've seen this happen in a client's machine, too. In his case, everything had worked well until he installed a Scrabble game - set to be run from the CD. After that, the machine could not find the CD. If we took the game CD out of the drive, then reinserted it, we could get the machine to recognize it. If the CD was left in the drive when the machine was shut down, at boot-up the CD-ROM drive was lost again. He could open it and close it, but the drive did not show up in the "My Computer" window. Put the game CD in the drive and close it, and the Autorun kicked in and launched the game intro - and the drive now showed up in the "My Computer." In my machine, I have not discovered a consistent workaround to solve the failure to access the CD-ROM drive - even though it does show up in the "My Computer" window. Trying to access it - as for instance while needing it to read my Win98SE CD as part of the installation of hardware - returns the "device not ready" error. Sometimes, taking out the CD, reinserting it and holding down the left Shift key will get the drive cranking, its activity light on for a while - and voila, the CD-ROM drive is reachable again. Other times that has no effect. Perhaps I have a CD-ROM drive going flaky - if so, it began flaky, since the first occurence of this behavior dates back a good five years. Or, perhaps this is behavior recognized by others and there is a good fix. I don't know, but I'd appreciate any ideas on it. Thanks as always for your help, Tina From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 13 08:12:18 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:12:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won'tConnect In-Reply-To: <4326C956.7050101@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200509131312.j8DDCMT17173@databaseadvisors.com> Tina, Oh my! That was a lot of work for a wireless card! Glad to see you got it working though. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to someone else, so here goes: As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ 9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that unless I had to. We worked out three ideas: 1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ 2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see if my current card worked in the other machine. 3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my system than the "G" card. I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That did not help the DWL-G520 issues. I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was going to be a last resort effort. The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around (and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works - first try. So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. Best, Tina From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 13 08:13:26 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:13:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84048@ALCUXB> Hey, mine did that... had to kick it's arse and install 2k on it to get any form of control over where it installed it. Had a hell of a job doing it too. Now I use a USB one, it's much easier! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: 13 September 2005 13:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Connect Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to someone else, so here goes: As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ 9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that unless I had to. We worked out three ideas: 1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ 2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see if my current card worked in the other machine. 3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my system than the "G" card. I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That did not help the DWL-G520 issues. I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was going to be a last resort effort. The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around (and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works - first try. So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. Best, Tina Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless > broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was > a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a > bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. > > System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how > many Gb HD, think it's 6. > > It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson > until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it > connected to the internet. > > I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and > installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds > it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as > working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the > configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, > WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails > to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen > my settings are gone. > I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I > think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the > Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that > NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? > A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - > that won't work! > > I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot > little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I > thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go > ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and > all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I > feel totally ignorant. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > Tina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 13 08:17:02 2005 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:17:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won'tConnect In-Reply-To: <4326C956.7050101@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001c01c5b865$6ddd8950$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> And persistence wins again. I'm telling ya, just never stop trying and eventually something will work. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won'tConnect Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to someone else, so here goes: As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ 9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that unless I had to. We worked out three ideas: 1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ 2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see if my current card worked in the other machine. 3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my system than the "G" card. I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That did not help the DWL-G520 issues. I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was going to be a last resort effort. The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around (and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works - first try. So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. Best, Tina Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless > broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was > a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a > bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. > > System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how > many Gb HD, think it's 6. > > It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson > until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it > connected to the internet. > > I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and > installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds > it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as > working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the > configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, > WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails > to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen > my settings are gone. > I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I > think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the > Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that > NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? > A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - > that won't work! > > I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot > little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I > thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go > ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and > all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I > feel totally ignorant. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > Tina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 13 09:24:10 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:24:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 -Won'tConnect Message-ID: Hi Tina Sometimes all that is needed is to pull out the PCI adapters, shuffle, and insert them in slots where they did not sit before. This forces the PnP system to reconsider what it has, reread the PCI identifications, and reassign IRQs. /gustav From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 13 10:12:26 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:12:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 -Won'tConnect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200509131512.j8DFCTT16928@databaseadvisors.com> Gustav, That's a good bit of advice. I just did that to a PC a couuple of weeks ago and it solved the problem it was having. A quick IRQ refresher. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 -Won'tConnect Hi Tina Sometimes all that is needed is to pull out the PCI adapters, shuffle, and insert them in slots where they did not sit before. This forces the PnP system to reconsider what it has, reread the PCI identifications, and reassign IRQs. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 13 11:24:04 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:24:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 -Won'tConnect References: Message-ID: <4326FD24.5040400@torchlake.com> Hi Gustav, Thanks for that tip. I'll remember it. Tina Gustav Brock wrote: >Hi Tina > >Sometimes all that is needed is to pull out the PCI adapters, shuffle, >and insert them in slots where they did not sit before. This forces the >PnP system to reconsider what it has, reread the PCI identifications, >and reassign IRQs. > >/gustav >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 13 11:29:59 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:29:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84048@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4326FE87.7070408@torchlake.com> Jon, Hmm - a USB printer or wireless adapter? Have to admit I like the newer stuff better - almost everything is USB on my WinXP machine. But, my folks were born about the time of the Great Depression, so I grew up with the mentality of keeping things, repairing them when they broke, and never throwing away something that is obviously still good. It's hard to make the transition to "throw-away" computers - I may never get there on that one. Win98SE will stop being supported by Microsoft in June of 2006, I was told by the techs at D-Link, so by next summer I guess I have to do something radical about all my Win98SE machines. Better go earn some money. Best, Tina Jon Tydda wrote: >Hey, mine did that... had to kick it's arse and install 2k on it to get any >form of control over where it installed it. Had a hell of a job doing it >too. Now I use a USB one, it's much easier! > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] >Sent: 13 September 2005 13:43 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't >Connect > > >Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - > >I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to >someone else, so here goes: > >As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a >D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. > I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ >9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows >would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with >several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable >fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ >requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP >LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then >installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that >sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the >easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that >unless I had to. > >We worked out three ideas: >1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ >2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was >all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see >if my current card worked in the other machine. >3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my >system than the "G" card. > >I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, >too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was >somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen >did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a >temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through >everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure >to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That >did not help the DWL-G520 issues. > >I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working >fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't >much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart >and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was >going to be a last resort effort. > >The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around >(and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a >couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I >put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works >- first try. > >So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation >is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one >Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech >discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though >I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. > >Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. > >Best, >Tina > > > > > >Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > > >>I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless >>broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was >>a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a >>bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. >> >>System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how >>many Gb HD, think it's 6. >> >>It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson >>until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it >>connected to the internet. >> >>I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and >>installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds >>it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as >>working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the >>configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, >>WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails >>to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen >>my settings are gone. >>I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I >>think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the >>Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that >>NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? >>A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - >>that won't work! >> >>I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot >>little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I >>thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go >>ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and >>all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I >>feel totally ignorant. >> >>Thanks for any assistance you can give. >> >>Tina >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 13 11:33:33 2005 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:33:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won'tConnect References: <001c01c5b865$6ddd8950$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <4326FF5D.5030404@torchlake.com> And John, I can't think of anyone who would know that better than you. You've been my inspiration on that point many times. Regards, Tina John W. Colby wrote: >And persistence wins again. I'm telling ya, just never stop trying and >eventually something will work. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris >Fields >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:43 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - >Won'tConnect > > >Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - > >I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to >someone else, so here goes: > >As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a >D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. > I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ >9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows >would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with >several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable >fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ >requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP >LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then >installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that >sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the >easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that >unless I had to. > >We worked out three ideas: >1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ >2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was >all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see >if my current card worked in the other machine. >3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my >system than the "G" card. > >I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, >too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was >somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen >did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a >temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through >everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure >to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That >did not help the DWL-G520 issues. > >I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working >fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't >much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart >and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was >going to be a last resort effort. > >The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around >(and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a >couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I >put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works >- first try. > >So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation >is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one >Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech >discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though >I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. > >Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. > >Best, >Tina > > > > > >Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > > >>I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless >>broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was >>a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a >>bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. >> >>System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how >>many Gb HD, think it's 6. >> >>It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson >>until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it >>connected to the internet. >> >>I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and >>installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds >>it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as >>working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the >>configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, >>WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails >>to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen >>my settings are gone. >>I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I >>think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the >>Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that >>NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? >>A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - >>that won't work! >> >>I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot >>little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I >>thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go >>ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and >>all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I >>feel totally ignorant. >> >>Thanks for any assistance you can give. >> >>Tina >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 13 11:32:30 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:32:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84064@ALCUXB> Sorry Tina, a USB wireless adaptor... the Netgear WG111T in fact. Actually, for all my complaining about the wireless router not working, it seems that simply by changing the channel, I've fixed it... so I can recommend the Netgear DG834GT wireless DSL router as well :-) Shocking help system though... virtually useless. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: 13 September 2005 17:30 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect Jon, Hmm - a USB printer or wireless adapter? Have to admit I like the newer stuff better - almost everything is USB on my WinXP machine. But, my folks were born about the time of the Great Depression, so I grew up with the mentality of keeping things, repairing them when they broke, and never throwing away something that is obviously still good. It's hard to make the transition to "throw-away" computers - I may never get there on that one. Win98SE will stop being supported by Microsoft in June of 2006, I was told by the techs at D-Link, so by next summer I guess I have to do something radical about all my Win98SE machines. Better go earn some money. Best, Tina Jon Tydda wrote: >Hey, mine did that... had to kick it's arse and install 2k on it to get any >form of control over where it installed it. Had a hell of a job doing it >too. Now I use a USB one, it's much easier! > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] >Sent: 13 September 2005 13:43 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't >Connect > > >Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - > >I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to >someone else, so here goes: > >As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a >D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. > I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ >9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows >would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with >several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable >fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ >requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP >LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then >installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that >sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the >easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that >unless I had to. > >We worked out three ideas: >1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ >2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was >all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see >if my current card worked in the other machine. >3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my >system than the "G" card. > >I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, >too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was >somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen >did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a >temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through >everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure >to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That >did not help the DWL-G520 issues. > >I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working >fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't >much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart >and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was >going to be a last resort effort. > >The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around >(and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a >couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I >put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works >- first try. > >So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation >is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one >Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech >discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though >I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. > >Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. > >Best, >Tina > > > > > >Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > > >>I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless >>broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was >>a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a >>bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. >> >>System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how >>many Gb HD, think it's 6. >> >>It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson >>until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it >>connected to the internet. >> >>I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and >>installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds >>it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as >>working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the >>configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, >>WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails >>to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen >>my settings are gone. >>I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I >>think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the >>Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that >>NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? >>A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - >>that won't work! >> >>I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot >>little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I >>thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go >>ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and >>all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I >>feel totally ignorant. >> >>Thanks for any assistance you can give. >> >>Tina >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 13 12:11:37 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:11:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84064@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <200509131711.j8DHBhT18321@databaseadvisors.com> Linksys and some others sell them too. I keep one around for PCs I'm working on that don't have an Ethernet card in them. Don't give up on the W98 PCs just because MS stops support. Just make sure you get equipment that has drivers for it (if you ever need to get equipment for them again). I still support some W95 (yech). Work is work and some people will hold onto their PCs until they absolutely fail. Around here there are people with not just black & white but tube TVs! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sorry Tina, a USB wireless adaptor... the Netgear WG111T in fact. Actually, for all my complaining about the wireless router not working, it seems that simply by changing the channel, I've fixed it... so I can recommend the Netgear DG834GT wireless DSL router as well :-) Shocking help system though... virtually useless. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: 13 September 2005 17:30 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't Co nnect Jon, Hmm - a USB printer or wireless adapter? Have to admit I like the newer stuff better - almost everything is USB on my WinXP machine. But, my folks were born about the time of the Great Depression, so I grew up with the mentality of keeping things, repairing them when they broke, and never throwing away something that is obviously still good. It's hard to make the transition to "throw-away" computers - I may never get there on that one. Win98SE will stop being supported by Microsoft in June of 2006, I was told by the techs at D-Link, so by next summer I guess I have to do something radical about all my Win98SE machines. Better go earn some money. Best, Tina Jon Tydda wrote: >Hey, mine did that... had to kick it's arse and install 2k on it to get any >form of control over where it installed it. Had a hell of a job doing it >too. Now I use a USB one, it's much easier! > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] >Sent: 13 September 2005 13:43 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SOLVED SORT OF DWL-G520 Adapter - Win98 - Won't >Connect > > >Hi All, and especially John Bartow, who tried to help - > >I have my issue solved sort of - what I learned might be useful to >someone else, so here goes: > >As I originally described, I had installed the Win98SE drivers for a >D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter card, and could not get a connection. > I learned that the card wants IRQ7, while Windows kept assigning it IRQ >9 or 10 or 11, depending on which PCI slot I put it in - and Windows >would not permit me to change the IRQ setting. After working with >several tech people at D-Link, I finally reached a very knowledgeable >fellow, named Oscar Novarro (he's the one who looked up the IRQ >requirements for this card - 7 and 22 - mine go only to 15). My HP >LJ4500 is on IRQ 7. I considered uninstalling the printer, then >installing the D-Link card, then reinstalling the printer to see if that >sequence would get the card into IRQ7 - but, that printer wasn't the >easiest to install the first time, so I really didn't want to do that >unless I had to. > >We worked out three ideas: >1) Find an upgrade for my Award BIOS to maybe let me change the IRQ >2) Swap the matching card from the nearly matching machine where it was >all working just fine - see if that card worked in this machine, and see >if my current card worked in the other machine. >3) Use a lower-demand card, the DWL-520, that would require less of my >system than the "G" card. > >I immediately did idea number 1 - and that was something of a nightmare, >too, because the flash memory BIOS reader and updater software was >somewhat ahead of the instruction literature, so, things on the screen >did not match their descriptions in the instructions. And, I had a >temporarily completely inoperative machine. But, I went back through >everything and sorted out what had to be what, regardless of the failure >to match, and got my machine back, running the new BIOS just fine. That >did not help the DWL-G520 issues. > >I really didn't want to do number 2 because the machine that was working >fine is the one my father is using. It is working nicely, he doesn't >much like being inconvenienced, I didn't want to upset that applecart >and maybe find myself with yet another machine not working - so that was >going to be a last resort effort. > >The DWL-520 is no longer manufactured, but there are still some around >(and they will be supported until April of 2008) - so I ordered a >couple. They arrived yesterday evening as I was making supper. Yes, I >put supper in the oven and went to install the new card. This one works >- first try. > >So, now I have it working fine, using a lower level card. My situation >is repaired. But, I still don't know why the "G" card worked in one >Win98SE machine and not in its sister machine. From earlier tech >discussions, it really does not appear that the card is bad, even though >I hesitate to try it in my dad's machine - so I still have a mystery. > >Anyway, there's my story and my sort of solution - new BIOS, new card. > >Best, >Tina > > > > > >Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > > >>I know someone on this list can help me. I am using wireless >>broadband for my internet connection. Setting up the XP machines was >>a snap. Setting up the Win98SE machines, on the other hand, has been a >>bear each time. Now I have one I can't get to even connect. >> >>System is Win98SE - Pentium II - 266MHz - 160Mb RAM - I forget how >>many Gb HD, think it's 6. >> >>It's an old machine, I know - temporarily assigned to my grandson >>until we get his "real" computer (for college). I need to get it >>connected to the internet. >> >>I've installed the DWL-G520 AirPlusXtremeG card. I've downloaded and >>installed the updated drivers for Win98SE. The hardware wizard finds >>it and sets it up. The adapter is in the device manager, shows as >>working correctly. I put the appropriate information in the >>configuration screen - name of network, authentication, encryption, >>WEP key, click Apply to save the settings. But the site survey fails >>to find the network. And, when I return to the configuration screen >>my settings are gone. >>I've messed around with the network protocols and adapters screen - I >>think I have them right - they pretty much match the settings on the >>Win98SE machine that IS connecting. However, I never - make that >>NEVER - get a connection. What is the engineer's definition of Hell? >>A room full of the best, most modern machines, in perfect condition - >>that won't work! >> >>I have found some articles on the net that I will hold in my hot >>little hands when I next attack this machine. But, in the meantime, I >>thought I'd ask the gurus on this list for some suggestions. Go >>ahead and start at the beginning. I am willing to retrace any and >>all of my working process. I still know so little about networking I >>feel totally ignorant. >> >>Thanks for any assistance you can give. >> >>Tina >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 23 12:10:18 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:10:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ODBC Driver set Message-ID: <200509231710.j8NHAQT25772@databaseadvisors.com> I'm cleaning shop here and ran across this set of ODBC drivers. "Visigenic ODBC Driverset" the full set with serial number/license. I don't think they are any value in a Windows only environment. If you are developing in an environment of WIndows/Unix they may be of some value. I used to use it for app access to Unix Data. I no longer have a use for them and will ship them out to anyone who thinks they might. Here is a decent description of them: http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~webstw/cm/ns_js_ssa/dbconfig.htm John R. Bartow WinHaven LLC PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 920-582-7574 john at winhaven.net From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Sep 24 17:37:52 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:37:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution Message-ID: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> I'd like to tweak a small image (a logo) with smaller pixels than I can in MS Paint. Is this possible? What other applications can do this? Thanks! Dan Waters From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 24 18:41:36 2005 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:41:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution In-Reply-To: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <4335E430.80309@earthlink.net> Dan, />I'd like to tweak a small image (a logo) with smaller pixels than I can in >MS Paint. Is this possible? What other applications can do this?/ In FireWorks, Modify | Canvas | Image Size, uncheck 'resample image', and set resolution to a higher value eg 300dpi. I don't have PhotoShop, but I suppose it has a similar capability. PB -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 9/22/2005 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 24 18:48:35 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:48:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution In-Reply-To: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <43367273.4998.1DB0CFDC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 24 Sep 2005 at 17:37, Dan Waters wrote: > I'd like to tweak a small image (a logo) with smaller pixels than I can in > MS Paint. Is this possible? What other applications can do this? > How small an image? Freeware or commercial. Any of the common graphics programs (Photoshop, Paintshop, Corel etc) will do it but they are not cheap. If is is just icon sized, there are a number of freeware icon editing programs For a full blown freeware image editor, you could try "the GIMP" http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/ For small images try the "free for personal use" icon editor "snIco Edit" http://www.snidesoft.com/ which will allow you to edit images up to 255x255 pixels. -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 24 18:55:13 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:55:13 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution In-Reply-To: <4335E430.80309@earthlink.net> References: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <43367401.2184.1DB6E50D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 24 Sep 2005 at 18:41, Peter Brawley wrote: > Dan, > > />I'd like to tweak a small image (a logo) with smaller pixels than I can in > >MS Paint. Is this possible? What other applications can do this?/ > > In FireWorks, Modify | Canvas | Image Size, uncheck 'resample image', > and set resolution to a higher value eg 300dpi. I don't have PhotoShop, > but I suppose it has a similar capability. > In my previous post, I missed the fact that Dan meant change the resolution when he said "tweak". That's what you get when you put critical information in the Subject, and don't put it in the body of your message. Answer to this question: the good old favourite Irfanview - display the image and then click on "Image - Information" and set new the values. -- Stuart From tortise at paradise.net.nz Sat Sep 24 18:56:20 2005 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:56:20 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution References: <000001c5c158$9a0ad090$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <011201c5c163$8f918950$1e00a8c0@cheqsoft.local> Dan Have you tried the Paint command View Zoom Custom 800%? 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Thank you for your assistance. ____________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Waters To: DBA-Tech Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Pixel Resolution I'd like to tweak a small image (a logo) with smaller pixels than I can in MS Paint. Is this possible? What other applications can do this? Thanks! Dan Waters _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 14:58:44 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:58:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem Message-ID: I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle aspect files. Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... Any ideas are welcome. Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Mon Sep 26 15:06:59 2005 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:06:59 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem Message-ID: <092620052006.29957.433854E300057516000075052197913329969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Gary, The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in the folder? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. Ron > I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on the > shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle aspect > files. > > Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy all > the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround will be > to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then move it > to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop drive. But I > would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the dragon that is > in my way of doing it directly..... > > Any ideas are welcome. > > Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 15:22:27 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:22:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem In-Reply-To: <092620052006.29957.433854E300057516000075052197913329969B019607080C@mchsi.com> References: <092620052006.29957.433854E300057516000075052197913329969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up when the camera is connected via USB cable. Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so it only happens in some folders. I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they have any leads for me. On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > Gary, > > The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file has had > the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in the folder? > Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely scenario > to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the orientation of the > image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. > > Ron > > > > > I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > > that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > > photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > > works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > > mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > > horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on the > > shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle aspect > > files. > > > > Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy all > > the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround will be > > to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then move it > > to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop drive. But I > > would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the dragon that is > > in my way of doing it directly..... > > > > Any ideas are welcome. > > > > Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Sep 27 01:10:10 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:10:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I find very bizare and have difficults to believe it has something to do with the orientation of your pictures. I would advice you to first doe a scan disk on both systems for the disks in question (source and destination). If explorer crashes over network it has probably more to do with errors on the disk or even network problem. Secondly, if it really has something to do with orientation of the picture, turn of image preview of the destination folder and subfolders. Set view in details. This will avoid Explorer to analyze your picture and create a thumbnail when copying those files. If you still get crashes it is imposible due to orientation because explore does not analyze the picture anymore. I must be disk error or network error. Try only copying the files in question and not all files at once. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem Hi Ron, No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up when the camera is connected via USB cable. Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so it only happens in some folders. I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they have any leads for me. On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > Gary, > > The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file > has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in the folder? > Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely > scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the > orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. > > Ron > > > > > I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > > that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > > photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > > works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > > mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > > horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on > > the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle > > aspect files. > > > > Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy > > all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround > > will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then > > move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop > > drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the > > dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... > > > > Any ideas are welcome. > > > > Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 08:26:42 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:26:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: Hi Erwin. I find it bizare too. That's why I thought I would share it with the world ;-) Nothing really crashes. I can see the files in the folder via Explorer - in details view they show filenames and dates and the basic things but will not display additional things like attributes and owners while the horizontal images in the same folder do for the remote system. On the hosting system all the file attributes and other properties look to be exactly the same. In thumbnails view the vertical photo files show as icons rather than thumbnails while the horizontal ones show fine. If I try and double click on one of the icons or copy the file I get the message "Access is Denied". Happens the same with only one file. I ran Spybot, Ad-Aware and Pest Patrol on the host system and they only found some cookies to remove, so I don't think there is any malicious code causing the problem although I am still wondering if the Canon Camera software that I installed to interface with my newest camera installed something that would be causing the problem. Canon doesn't have a very good knowledge base that I could find to research issues like this. I''m thinking that perhaps looking around on one of the photography sites, like DPReview.com or maybe Paintshop Pro's support site might give me some insight into the problem. I have just copied the entire set of pictures folders from my backup external USB drive to the laptop, so I have worked around the problem for now but it will happen again the next time I need to copy photos. I was able to copy all the files from teh backup drive to the laptop with no problem whatsoever, so there is nothing about the files themselves that is a problem for the laptop, just that the host system doesn't want to let them be seen by anyone but itself. Thanks for your thoughts. I will figure it out eventually and will post the results then. Gary On 9/27/05, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > I find very bizare and have difficults to believe it has something to do > with the orientation of your pictures. > > > I would advice you to first doe a scan disk on both systems for the > disks in question (source and destination). > If explorer crashes over network it has probably more to do with errors > on the disk or even network problem. > > Secondly, if it really has something to do with orientation of the > picture, turn of image preview of the destination folder and subfolders. > Set view in details. > This will avoid Explorer to analyze your picture and create a thumbnail > when copying those files. > If you still get crashes it is imposible due to orientation because > explore does not analyze the picture anymore. I must be disk error or > network error. > Try only copying the files in question and not all files at once. > > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:22 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem > > Hi Ron, > > No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My > Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My > Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that > seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in > it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the > date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named > folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up > when the camera is connected via USB cable. > Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can > be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a > few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I > noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a > horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so > it only happens in some folders. > > I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing > something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated > correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner > that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? > I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they > have any leads for me. > > > On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > > Gary, > > > > The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file > > > has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in > the folder? > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely > > scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the > > orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > > > that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > > > photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > > > works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > > > > mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > > > horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on > > > the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle > > > aspect files. > > > > > > Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy > > > all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround > > > will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then > > > > move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop > > > drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the > > > > dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... > > > > > > Any ideas are welcome. > > > > > > Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From lembit.soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 27 08:46:30 2005 From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:46:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem References: Message-ID: <000a01c5c369$ddb55c80$0200a8c0@s1800> Gary, have you tried to copy aone of the 'vertical' pics from the MyDocs to a different (new) folder like c:\pictures and see whether it behaves the same there? also, if you like you can mail me a vertical and a horizontal pic and I can try whether it behaves here differently. This will alow us to distinguish between error being in Picture or your PC setup. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "off topic list" ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem >I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on the > shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle aspect > files. > > Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy all > the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround will be > to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then move it > to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop drive. But I > would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the dragon that is > in my way of doing it directly..... > > Any ideas are welcome. > > Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23.09.2005 > > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Sep 27 12:00:31 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:00:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <43397AAF.2040701@shaw.ca> Just a wild guess that you might have a corrupted thumbs.db ADS file. this is what handles your thumbnail views in explorer. It could also be holding a picture file open. A reboot will/should clear it. You need special utilities to see these files. Adaware may have an option to check thesetype of nfts files Gary Kjos wrote: >Hi Erwin. > >I find it bizare too. That's why I thought I would share it with the world ;-) > >Nothing really crashes. I can see the files in the folder via Explorer >- in details view they show filenames and dates and the basic things >but will not display additional things like attributes and owners >while the horizontal images in the same folder do for the remote >system. On the hosting system all the file attributes and other >properties look to be exactly the same. In thumbnails view the >vertical photo files show as icons rather than thumbnails while the >horizontal ones show fine. If I try and double click on one of the >icons or copy the file I get the message "Access is Denied". Happens >the same with only one file. > >I ran Spybot, Ad-Aware and Pest Patrol on the host system and they >only found some cookies to remove, so I don't think there is any >malicious code causing the problem although I am still wondering if >the Canon Camera software that I installed to interface with my newest >camera installed something that would be causing the problem. Canon >doesn't have a very good knowledge base that I could find to research >issues like this. I''m thinking that perhaps looking around on one of >the photography sites, like DPReview.com or maybe Paintshop Pro's >support site might give me some insight into the problem. > >I have just copied the entire set of pictures folders from my backup >external USB drive to the laptop, so I have worked around the problem >for now but it will happen again the next time I need to copy photos. >I was able to copy all the files from teh backup drive to the laptop >with no problem whatsoever, so there is nothing about the files >themselves that is a problem for the laptop, just that the host system >doesn't want to let them be seen by anyone but itself. > >Thanks for your thoughts. I will figure it out eventually and will >post the results then. > >Gary > >On 9/27/05, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > >>I find very bizare and have difficults to believe it has something to do >>with the orientation of your pictures. >> >> >>I would advice you to first doe a scan disk on both systems for the >>disks in question (source and destination). >>If explorer crashes over network it has probably more to do with errors >>on the disk or even network problem. >> >>Secondly, if it really has something to do with orientation of the >>picture, turn of image preview of the destination folder and subfolders. >>Set view in details. >>This will avoid Explorer to analyze your picture and create a thumbnail >>when copying those files. >>If you still get crashes it is imposible due to orientation because >>explore does not analyze the picture anymore. I must be disk error or >>network error. >>Try only copying the files in question and not all files at once. >> >> >>Erwin >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:22 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem >> >>Hi Ron, >> >>No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My >>Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My >>Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that >>seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in >>it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the >>date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named >>folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up >>when the camera is connected via USB cable. >>Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can >>be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a >>few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I >>noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a >>horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so >>it only happens in some folders. >> >>I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing >>something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated >>correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner >>that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? >>I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they >>have any leads for me. >> >> >>On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: >> >> >>>Gary, >>> >>>The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file >>> >>> >>>has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in >>> >>> >>the folder? >> >> >>>Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely >>>scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the >>>orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. >>> >>>Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system >>>>that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the >>>>photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it >>>>works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a >>>> >>>> >>>>mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the >>>>horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on >>>>the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle >>>>aspect files. >>>> >>>>Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy >>>>all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround >>>>will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then >>>> >>>> >>>>move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop >>>>drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the >>>> >>>> >>>>dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... >>>> >>>>Any ideas are welcome. >>>> >>>>Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Gary Kjos >>garykjos at gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >-- >Gary Kjos >garykjos at gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 13:32:45 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:32:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem In-Reply-To: <43397AAF.2040701@shaw.ca> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <43397AAF.2040701@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hi Marty, I don't think that is the problem - it happens even if I try to copy the files in Details View - and occurs on files that were saved both before and after the most recent reboot. I'm gonna try and rotate one of these files so it's no longer a verticle image file - make it into a horizontal file and see if I am allowed to copy it then. And I may as well rotate a horizontal image to verticle and see if that breaks that one. Then I will be on to something. I will also try to access the share from a couple more systems and see if it's just that one. Lembit's idea about trying another folder name sounds good too. Perhaps there is something unique about the My Documents folder group that is causing issues? I really don't have a lot of time to spend on figuring this out right now, but it will be bugging me until I do, so a little investment of time is worth it. Thanks to everyone for your ideas. Gary On 9/27/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > Just a wild guess that you might have a corrupted thumbs.db ADS file. > this is what handles your thumbnail views in explorer. It could also be > holding a picture file open. > A reboot will/should clear it. You need special utilities to see these > files. Adaware may have an option to check thesetype of nfts files > > > Gary Kjos wrote: > > >Hi Erwin. > > > >I find it bizare too. That's why I thought I would share it with the world ;-) > > > >Nothing really crashes. I can see the files in the folder via Explorer > >- in details view they show filenames and dates and the basic things > >but will not display additional things like attributes and owners > >while the horizontal images in the same folder do for the remote > >system. On the hosting system all the file attributes and other > >properties look to be exactly the same. In thumbnails view the > >vertical photo files show as icons rather than thumbnails while the > >horizontal ones show fine. If I try and double click on one of the > >icons or copy the file I get the message "Access is Denied". Happens > >the same with only one file. > > > >I ran Spybot, Ad-Aware and Pest Patrol on the host system and they > >only found some cookies to remove, so I don't think there is any > >malicious code causing the problem although I am still wondering if > >the Canon Camera software that I installed to interface with my newest > >camera installed something that would be causing the problem. Canon > >doesn't have a very good knowledge base that I could find to research > >issues like this. I''m thinking that perhaps looking around on one of > >the photography sites, like DPReview.com or maybe Paintshop Pro's > >support site might give me some insight into the problem. > > > >I have just copied the entire set of pictures folders from my backup > >external USB drive to the laptop, so I have worked around the problem > >for now but it will happen again the next time I need to copy photos. > >I was able to copy all the files from teh backup drive to the laptop > >with no problem whatsoever, so there is nothing about the files > >themselves that is a problem for the laptop, just that the host system > >doesn't want to let them be seen by anyone but itself. > > > >Thanks for your thoughts. I will figure it out eventually and will > >post the results then. > > > >Gary > > > >On 9/27/05, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > > > > >>I find very bizare and have difficults to believe it has something to do > >>with the orientation of your pictures. > >> > >> > >>I would advice you to first doe a scan disk on both systems for the > >>disks in question (source and destination). > >>If explorer crashes over network it has probably more to do with errors > >>on the disk or even network problem. > >> > >>Secondly, if it really has something to do with orientation of the > >>picture, turn of image preview of the destination folder and subfolders. > >>Set view in details. > >>This will avoid Explorer to analyze your picture and create a thumbnail > >>when copying those files. > >>If you still get crashes it is imposible due to orientation because > >>explore does not analyze the picture anymore. I must be disk error or > >>network error. > >>Try only copying the files in question and not all files at once. > >> > >> > >>Erwin > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:22 PM > >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem > >> > >>Hi Ron, > >> > >>No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My > >>Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My > >>Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that > >>seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in > >>it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the > >>date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named > >>folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up > >>when the camera is connected via USB cable. > >>Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can > >>be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a > >>few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I > >>noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a > >>horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so > >>it only happens in some folders. > >> > >>I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing > >>something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated > >>correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner > >>that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? > >>I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they > >>have any leads for me. > >> > >> > >>On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Gary, > >>> > >>>The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file > >>> > >>> > >>>has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in > >>> > >>> > >>the folder? > >> > >> > >>>Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely > >>>scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the > >>>orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. > >>> > >>>Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system > >>>>that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the > >>>>photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it > >>>>works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the > >>>>horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on > >>>>the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle > >>>>aspect files. > >>>> > >>>>Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy > >>>>all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround > >>>>will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop > >>>>drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... > >>>> > >>>>Any ideas are welcome. > >>>> > >>>>Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>dba-Tech mailing list > >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Gary Kjos > >>garykjos at gmail.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Gary Kjos > >garykjos at gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Sep 27 14:28:00 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:28:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <43397AAF.2040701@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43399D40.9020809@shaw.ca> How about trying this new gizmo then. Synchronizing Images and Files in Windows XP Using Microsoft SyncToy http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=49818CF1-2287-40EA-8A6F-57BD8695F23D&displaylang=en Gary Kjos wrote: >Hi Marty, > >I don't think that is the problem - it happens even if I try to copy >the files in Details View - and occurs on files that were saved both >before and after the most recent reboot. > >I'm gonna try and rotate one of these files so it's no longer a >verticle image file - make it into a horizontal file and see if I am >allowed to copy it then. And I may as well rotate a horizontal image >to verticle and see if that breaks that one. Then I will be on to >something. I will also try to access the share from a couple more >systems and see if it's just that one. Lembit's idea about trying >another folder name sounds good too. Perhaps there is something unique >about the My Documents folder group that is causing issues? I really >don't have a lot of time to spend on figuring this out right now, but >it will be bugging me until I do, so a little investment of time is >worth it. > >Thanks to everyone for your ideas. > >Gary > >On 9/27/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > > >>Just a wild guess that you might have a corrupted thumbs.db ADS file. >>this is what handles your thumbnail views in explorer. It could also be >>holding a picture file open. >>A reboot will/should clear it. You need special utilities to see these >>files. Adaware may have an option to check thesetype of nfts files >> >> >>Gary Kjos wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Erwin. >>> >>>I find it bizare too. That's why I thought I would share it with the world ;-) >>> >>>Nothing really crashes. I can see the files in the folder via Explorer >>>- in details view they show filenames and dates and the basic things >>>but will not display additional things like attributes and owners >>>while the horizontal images in the same folder do for the remote >>>system. On the hosting system all the file attributes and other >>>properties look to be exactly the same. In thumbnails view the >>>vertical photo files show as icons rather than thumbnails while the >>>horizontal ones show fine. If I try and double click on one of the >>>icons or copy the file I get the message "Access is Denied". Happens >>>the same with only one file. >>> >>>I ran Spybot, Ad-Aware and Pest Patrol on the host system and they >>>only found some cookies to remove, so I don't think there is any >>>malicious code causing the problem although I am still wondering if >>>the Canon Camera software that I installed to interface with my newest >>>camera installed something that would be causing the problem. Canon >>>doesn't have a very good knowledge base that I could find to research >>>issues like this. I''m thinking that perhaps looking around on one of >>>the photography sites, like DPReview.com or maybe Paintshop Pro's >>>support site might give me some insight into the problem. >>> >>>I have just copied the entire set of pictures folders from my backup >>>external USB drive to the laptop, so I have worked around the problem >>>for now but it will happen again the next time I need to copy photos. >>>I was able to copy all the files from teh backup drive to the laptop >>>with no problem whatsoever, so there is nothing about the files >>>themselves that is a problem for the laptop, just that the host system >>>doesn't want to let them be seen by anyone but itself. >>> >>>Thanks for your thoughts. I will figure it out eventually and will >>>post the results then. >>> >>>Gary >>> >>>On 9/27/05, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I find very bizare and have difficults to believe it has something to do >>>>with the orientation of your pictures. >>>> >>>> >>>>I would advice you to first doe a scan disk on both systems for the >>>>disks in question (source and destination). >>>>If explorer crashes over network it has probably more to do with errors >>>>on the disk or even network problem. >>>> >>>>Secondly, if it really has something to do with orientation of the >>>>picture, turn of image preview of the destination folder and subfolders. >>>>Set view in details. >>>>This will avoid Explorer to analyze your picture and create a thumbnail >>>>when copying those files. >>>>If you still get crashes it is imposible due to orientation because >>>>explore does not analyze the picture anymore. I must be disk error or >>>>network error. >>>>Try only copying the files in question and not all files at once. >>>> >>>> >>>>Erwin >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>>>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:22 PM >>>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem >>>> >>>>Hi Ron, >>>> >>>>No, I don't think so anyway, the share was set for the entire My >>>>Documents folder - including all it's sub-folders. Below that is the My >>>>Pictures folder and below that I have various sub folders. The one that >>>>seems to be the one most noticed because it has my most recent photos in >>>>it is in a Canon sub folder with sub-folders below that named for the >>>>date the photos were taken. The Canon Upload Wizard adds the date named >>>>folder and puts the picture files into it during a dialog that comes up >>>>when the camera is connected via USB cable. >>>>Nothing I am doing has done anything differently for the photos that can >>>>be copied verses the ones that cannot. I just had a few pictures in a >>>>few folders that caused this error and when i looked into them, I >>>>noticed that every one I had a problem with was a vertical verses a >>>>horizontal picture. At least 90% of my pictures seem to be horizontal so >>>>it only happens in some folders. >>>> >>>>I'm thinking that perhaps there is some Canon program that is doing >>>>something with the vertical shots to make them so they appear rotated >>>>correctly for Windows and that is somehow opening the files in a manner >>>>that will not allow them to be shared from outside the system? >>>>I guess I should have a look at the Canon camera site and see if they >>>>have any leads for me. >>>> >>>> >>>>On 9/26/05, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Gary, >>>>> >>>>>The permissions can be set at the file level. Is it possible that file >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>has had the permissions set differently than the rest of the files in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>the folder? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but that seems the most likely >>>>>scenario to me... I just don't see it having anything to do with the >>>>>orientation of the image, it's a permissions issue of some sort. >>>>> >>>>>Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have a file share on the My Documents folder on my desktop system >>>>>>that I map a drive to from my laptop. When I try to copy all the >>>>>>photos in the My Pictures folder from the desktop to the laptop it >>>>>>works until it gets to a verticle picture where the copy dies with a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>mesage box indicating "Access is Denied". I can view and copy the >>>>>>horizontal photos without any problem but if I open the folder on >>>>>>the shared drive in explorer a generic icon shows for the verticle >>>>>>aspect files. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anybody have any idea what might be going on??? I'd like to copy >>>>>>all the files over to the laptop. I'm thinking that the workaround >>>>>>will be to copy to a USB External hard drive on the desktop and then >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>move it to connect to the laptop and copy from external to laptop >>>>>>drive. But I would rather not have to do that if I can just slay the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>dragon that is in my way of doing it directly..... >>>>>> >>>>>>Any ideas are welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>>Both systems are Windows XP, up to date with all service packs etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Gary Kjos >>>>garykjos at gmail.com >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Gary Kjos >>>garykjos at gmail.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Marty Connelly >>Victoria, B.C. >>Canada >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >-- >Gary Kjos >garykjos at gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 08:01:19 2005 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:01:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] File Sharing Problem In-Reply-To: <43399D40.9020809@shaw.ca> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5F3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <43397AAF.2040701@shaw.ca> <43399D40.9020809@shaw.ca> Message-ID: That's a pretty cool application Marty. Thanks for pointing it out. I have installed it on both of the involved systems. It seems to have gotten confused with the thumbs files on each though...although maybe it worked anyway as the files were already existing on both systems but just had different dates on each. Perhaps I need to exclude those files. I copied one of the vertical files and pasted the copy into the same directory and the laptop COULD see the copy just fine. So I then did that to all the vertical files and then deleted the originals and renamed the copies to the original file names and now all appears to be well. I also found that it wasn't ALL the vertical files that were effected, it was only ones created fairly recently. I'm going on vacation for a week on Saturday and I will likely be taking a bunch of photos, so I will see when I get back if the saga continues or it it has magically gone away. GK On 9/27/05, MartyConnelly wrote: > How about trying this new gizmo then. > > Synchronizing Images and Files in Windows XP Using Microsoft SyncToy > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=49818CF1-2287-40EA-8A6F-57BD8695F23D&displaylang=en > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 30 14:26:50 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:26:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] thunderbird Message-ID: <006501c5c5f4$e84d4f80$6801a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Does anyone know how I can get thunderbird to always open showing the contents of the inbox? John B From artful at rogers.com Fri Sep 30 21:01:40 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:01:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search engine to embed in a MacroMind Director app In-Reply-To: <006501c5c5f4$e84d4f80$6801a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <200510010201.j9121bT20977@databaseadvisors.com> A friend asked me to find something that has a small footprint and will work within a Director app. Anyone got any ideas, insights, suggestions? It doesn't have to search the web, just the web site that Director created, but there are lots of pages therein. TIA, Arthur