[dba-Tech] Using 4 gbytes of RAM

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Thu Aug 31 09:51:31 CDT 2006


http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/108393/EN-US/

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291988/

http://forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t52417.html


On 8/31/06, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Is anyone using a machine with more than two gig of Ram?  I am reading
> things about doing this and there seems to be a lot of confusion on the
> matter.  Much of the confusion seems to come from the fact that until the 64
> bit versions of the X86 processors, the "internals" of the processor were
> all 32 bits which limited direct generation of addresses to 4 gig.  All of
> my machines are 64 bit (AMD) processors so theoretically they can use more
> than 4 gig but how?
>
> Everyone seems to agree that in XP32, only 4 gig is available to work with
> and that things like video cards and other "machine stuff" eats into that.
> Thus regardless of anything, you will end up with less than 4 gig due to
> that, perhaps as little as 3.25 gig.  After that, confusion reigns, at least
> in my mind.
>
> Understand that I am discussing Windows XP 32 specifically, although anyone
> is welcome to chip in what they "know" regarding other windows versions as
> long as they specify what version they are discussing.
>
> The next thing that is discussed is that the OS itself reserves 2 gig for
> itself (which includes the video etc AFAICT), leaving up to 2 gig for EACH
> APPLICATION, implying that any application can have / use up to 2 gig.
>
> Some claim that if you have 4 gig, the swap file won't be used since that is
> part of the 4 gig available.  It seems illogical since each application can
> use up to 2 gig.  However I have created a separate partition to hold my
> swap file and tried to create one of 6 gig and Windows refused, limiting the
> size of the swap file to 4 gig.
>
> So I am trying to figure out what the reality is.  If a machine has 4 gig
> physical ram, and "machine stuff" uses (for argument's sake) .75 gig, is the
> .75 gig of physical ram simply unused?  Is it used by the OS for buffers?
> What about the swap file?  If you have a 4 gig swap file, would you have
> 7.25 "total available memory" for Windows use?  Does this indeed then limit
> the APPLICATIONS to 5.25 gig of "total" memory and 2 gig of physical memory?
> And what happens if you manage to get (for the sake of argument) 8 gig
> stuffed into a machine.  Some motherboards claim to handle that much but can
> Windows XP 32 actually use it?
>
> Can Windows XP 64?  If you need this much memory is Windows XP 64 a way to
> get at the memory?  If you are still using 32 bit apps, will it actually map
> as much as 2 gig of physical memory to the 32 bit apps so that (for example)
> 3 high powered memory hungry 32 bit apps actually had 2 gig available to
> each of them all the time?
>
> If anyone has run across any authoritive (on-line) reading on the subject I
> would love to look at it.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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