From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Feb 1 15:08:20 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:08:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script References: Message-ID: <43E12344.8060704@shaw.ca> Brief explanation of WSH and unicode http://blogs.msdn.com/ericlippert/archive/2004/02/11/71472.aspx Are you sure your input file is really Unicode format? and are you using an odd codepage or locale? And also some intrinsic vb functions will convert to ANSI and return ANSI strings from Unicode input. The ANSI being dependant on the machine OS codepage Look at file with a hex editor, the first 2 or 3 bytes of the file will be an indicator of Unicode type, plus for most Western European languages in Unicode every second byte will be 00 UTF-8 - EF BB BF UTF-16LE - FF FE UTF-16BE - FE FF If I run this rough vbs code testuni.vbs below , I could only get an error similar to yours on this type of read if the file with your german string is saved as ANSI. Set oTS = fs.OpenTextFile(ascfile, 1, False, -1) 'where -1 stands for open as UNICODE testuni.vbs Function getString(StringBin) Dim intcount getString = "" For intcount = 1 To LenB(StringBin) getString = getString & Chr(AscB(MidB(StringBin, intcount, 1))) Next msgbox getString End Function Dim fs, ascfile, txtString, file, docString, unicodedatastring, stream, oTS Const ForReading = 1, ForWriting = 2, ForAppending = 3, vbUniCode = 64 Const TristateUseDefault = -2, TristateTrue = -1, TristateFalse = 0 ascfile = "C:\Access files\Scriptingdemo\german ascii.txt" Set fs = CreateObject("scripting.filesystemobject") Set file = fs.GetFile(ascfile) Set stream = file.OpenAsTextStream Set docString = file.OpenAsTextStream(ForReading, TristateUseDefault) txtString = docString.ReadAll 'UnicodeDataString = StrConv(txtString,vbUniCode) unicodedatastring = getString(txtString) MsgBox ("Get String-" & unicodedatastring) MsgBox ("txtstring-" & txtString) Wscript.Echo "Get String-" & unicodedatastring Wscript.Echo "txtstring-" & txtString ' MsgBox ("StrConv-" & StrConv(txtString, vbUniCode)) 'StrConv("Text Here",vbFromUnicode) ' vbFromUnicode = 128 Set oTS = fs.OpenTextFile(ascfile, 1, False, -1) 'where -1 stands for open as UNICODE txtString = oTS.ReadLine unicodedatastring = getString(txtString) MsgBox ("Get String-" & unicodedatastring) MsgBox ("txtstring-" & txtString) Wscript.Echo "Get String-" & unicodedatastring Wscript.Echo "txtstring-" & txtString ' MsgBox ("StrConv-" & StrConv(txtString, vbUniCode)) 'cscript //U "C:\Access files\Scriptingdemo\testuni.vbs" Francisco Tapia wrote: >I have a text file with unicode characters... when I open it up in notepad i >can read these characters just fine, I am running a vbscript script over it >and I noticed that when It feeds the string into a variable it just uses >some other wierd characters instead example: > > > Set docString = file.OpenAsTextStream(ForReading, >TristateUseDefault) > txtString = docString.ReadAll > > >the result string is: >Spindeloption liefert ein h??heres Drehmoment im h??heren > >but the source text document shows the following string > >Spindeloption liefert ein h?heres Drehmoment im h?heren > >This is being ran from a vbscript... anybody have any idea as to why? > >-- >-Francisco >http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! >http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:34:56 2006 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:34:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMware GSX server Message-ID: (Full Story) http://news.com.com/VMware+to+make+server+product+free/2100-1012_3-6034615.html?tag=nefd.top (summary) *VMware, an EMC subsidiary whose software lets multiple operating systems run on the same computer, is expected to announce next week that it will begin giving away one of its key products for free, CNET News.com has learned. * The company sells three core products, VMware Workstation, GSX Server and ESX Server, but competition is on the horizon in a market VMware once had to itself. On Monday, however, the company is expected to announce it will give away GSX for free, sources familiar with the plan said. GSX runs on a "host" Windows or Linux operating system and then lets "guest" operating systems run atop it in compartments called virtual machines. The higher-end ESX product, in contrast, needs no host and runs below the operating system layer. VMware may gain two advantages from the move. First, because virtual machines can be moved from GSX to ESX, customers who try the former may choose to upgrade to the latter. Second, giving the software away for free could make VMware's technology more popular and cement the company's lead over emerging rivals. Today, GSX costs $1,400 for dual-processor servers and $2,800 for more powerful machines. ESX, while more expensive, permits more sophisticated features such as VMotion, which lets one running operating system be moved from one server to another while it's still running. -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Feb 4 11:14:17 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:17 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching Message-ID: <000301c629ae$6e53ecc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I wanted to try searching for a certain word within a file. The Windows Search function appears to have this function, but I can't make it work. Is it supposed to work? I made a Word file titled Test Word.doc. It contains one word 'findmenow'. The search failed trying to find this word. Am I asking too much? Dan Waters From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Feb 4 11:35:37 2006 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:35:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching In-Reply-To: <000301c629ae$6e53ecc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <001001c629b1$696477e0$0300a8c0@jt2> It'a always worked for me with no problems... Sorry I can't be of any more help than that! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 04 February 2006 17:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching I wanted to try searching for a certain word within a file. The Windows Search function appears to have this function, but I can't make it work. Is it supposed to work? I made a Word file titled Test Word.doc. It contains one word 'findmenow'. The search failed trying to find this word. Am I asking too much? Dan Waters _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sat Feb 4 12:07:37 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:07:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching References: <000301c629ae$6e53ecc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <43E4ED69.3080401@shaw.ca> The filename to search for should be *.doc Check the advanced search settings for things like case sensitive that might have checked It even works for me with google desktop search engine Dan Waters wrote: >I wanted to try searching for a certain word within a file. The Windows >Search function appears to have this function, but I can't make it work. Is >it supposed to work? > >I made a Word file titled Test Word.doc. It contains one word 'findmenow'. >The search failed trying to find this word. > >Am I asking too much? > >Dan Waters > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 4 13:28:00 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:28:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching In-Reply-To: <43E4ED69.3080401@shaw.ca> References: <000301c629ae$6e53ecc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <43E4ED69.3080401@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43E50040.7000805@san.rr.com> Maybe try: findmenow*.* shouldn't make any difference but who knows? Rocky MartyConnelly wrote: > The filename to search for should be > *.doc > Check the advanced search settings for things like case sensitive that > might have checked > > It even works for me with google desktop search engine > > Dan Waters wrote: > > >> I wanted to try searching for a certain word within a file. The Windows >> Search function appears to have this function, but I can't make it work. Is >> it supposed to work? >> >> I made a Word file titled Test Word.doc. It contains one word 'findmenow'. >> The search failed trying to find this word. >> >> Am I asking too much? >> >> Dan Waters >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 4 13:37:54 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:37:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In Message-ID: <43E50292.9090409@san.rr.com> I' just downloaded version 1.5 of firefox. Looks good. Now I'm trying to do a plug-in and when I try to download I get the yellow bar with the message "Software installation is currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and try again". OK. So I click the Edit Options button, brings up the Firefox Options dialog box and...there's no check box (like I think I remember from previous version) to enable software installation. Anybody know where they hid it? MTIA, Rocky P.S. It's not allowed sites. This is something different. I've already allowed the site where this is coming from. -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Feb 4 13:47:06 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:47:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching - It Works Now In-Reply-To: <15488504.1139073651427.JavaMail.root@sniper13> Message-ID: <000201c629c3$c7ea9940$0200a8c0@danwaters> Thanks everyone. I tried again, I think exactly the same way, and now it works as expected. I haven't looked for contained text before now, so undoubtedly DAN was the problem! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:14 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows File Searching I wanted to try searching for a certain word within a file. The Windows Search function appears to have this function, but I can't make it work. Is it supposed to work? I made a Word file titled Test Word.doc. It contains one word 'findmenow'. The search failed trying to find this word. Am I asking too much? Dan Waters _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Feb 4 14:13:31 2006 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:13:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <43E50292.9090409@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060204121333.23A634BB@dm17.mta.everyone.net> There's not very many of the plugins that work with 1.5 yet, so what one is it? I've found a couple that I use that have the updated plugin on the developer's site, but not yet on the plugin site. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: 04 Feb 2006 11:38 am > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In > > I' just downloaded version 1.5 of firefox. Looks good. Now > I'm trying to do a plug-in and when I try to download I get > the yellow bar with the message "Software installation is > currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and > try again". OK. So I click the Edit Options button, brings > up the Firefox Options dialog box and...there's no check box > (like I think I remember from previous version) to enable > software installation. Anybody know where they hid it? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > P.S. It's not allowed sites. This is something different. > I've already > allowed the site where this is coming from. > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Feb 4 14:31:39 2006 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:31:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Number of files in Recent References: <20060124105400.E72A6253E69@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <43E50F2B.50909@torchlake.com> Andy, There are differences between Win2K and WinXP I know, so this answer may not be right for you. In WinXP - right-click the Start button - select Properties In the Properties dialog box, select the tab marked Start Menu. In the Start Menu page in WinXP there are two style choices - Start Menu and Classic Start Menu - each of which has a Customize button + Using the Start Menu style, click Customize. In the Customize dialog box, select the tab marked Advanced - - - Near the bottom of the Advanced page, there is a checkbox for "List my most recently opened documents." Next to that is a button marked "Clear List." + Using the Classic Start Menu style, click Customize. In the Customize dialog box, about halfway down there is a button marked "Clear." For either style this will clear the list - the Start Menu style also lets you decide whether to list the recently used documents or not. Hoping there is something similar in Win2K, so that this is helpful to you - kind regards, Tina Andy Lacey wrote: >I've noticed that some of our Windows 2000 users have hundreds (in one case >over 1,500) shortcuts in their Recent folder. Does anyone know how to limit >this? It's a nuisance because these users have romaing profiles so all of >these tiny files are being copied back and forth across the network. What >the heck, I hear you say, but I'd like to keep things tidier if I can. And >to stress, I'm not talking about limiting the number of Recent documents one >sees in Windows, Word or anything else, but the number that are retained in >the Recent folder. Do they, in fact, ever get cleared out? > >(By the way we are still on NT4 Server so Group Policies are not the >answer.) > > >-- >Andy Lacey >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > >________________________________________________ >Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Feb 4 14:38:32 2006 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:38:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage References: <000401c623c8$cf24bac0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <43E510C8.60801@torchlake.com> John, As I read the Vonage ads, I gather that a wireless connection will not work. Is that correct? I would like to try Vonage, but my high-speed broadband connection is wireless. Tina John Colby wrote: >It saves me a TON of money for regular phone, which I give some back to them >in the fax and 800 number. It is $25+ for unlimited local/long distance >anywhere in the US and Canada. Also very low rates to places like Mexico >and Ireland. $25 for unlimited phone is dirt cheap. Of course you have to >have high speed internet, but since I have to have that anyway for my >business, I don't count that as a "phone" expense. I talk to my clients for >1 hour regularly, 3 hours often. At 10c / minute that is $6 / hour. So it >only takes a few hours to pay for the $25. Plus we call family all over the >country and talk as long as we wish. > >It is better quality than Cellular. > >As a result of having Vonage, I have no real use for the "unlimited middle >of the night and weekend (what were those hours again)" cell phone crapola, >and so I switched my Cellular to Virgin Mobile, where I am now paying less >than $5 per month for cell phone - I don't use cell a lot, just a "pay phone >in my pocket" kind of thing. My cell is "pay as you go". It costs me 25c / >minute for the first 10 minutes a day, then 10c / min after that. It turns >out for my usage patterns (I may make / receive 1 call every few days) that >is just incredibly cheap. My wife is the same way. Not the plan for a >teenager however. > >So with Virgin Mobile my wife and I both have a cell, and it costs us a >minimum of $5 / month apiece ($15 every 90 days to keep the number active). >Not bad for "a pay phone in your pocket" - and it uses the Sprint network so >the quality isn't too bad. I paid $20 apiece for the phones, delivered to >my door. Basic but with everything I need. No camera or all that happy HS >but who cares. It's a cell phone. > >I used to pay ATT $36 / month for ONE cell phone, and the "privilege" of a >two year contract, early termination fees, piss poor customer service, and >my wife and I were always having a discussion over who would carry it when >we went out. > >So if a client calls on my cell, then it costs me more, but then my client >pays a high enough hourly rate that the cost of the call is buried in the >noise of expenses. Plus, they really don't call me on my cell all that much >since I work from home most of the time, so they get me on my Vonage line. > >So there you have it. I do like Vonage, and I do like Virgin Mobile. And >if you decide to use either, let me know as I can get a referral "bonus" if >you give either company a code that says I sent you. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:00 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Also, does it save a lot over the traditional phone services - either in >money or stress? > >I have DSL and its not a problem at all but my phone service is. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:31 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Hi John, >Have you used the voicemail or fax services? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:03 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >I have had Vonage for about 2 years now. It works well, but is not without >issues. It uses your internet connection so anything that affects that >affects your phone calls. > > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:19 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Anybody using it? I'm particularly interested in how some of the advanced >features such as Voice mail & FAXing are working out. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:55 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Some of you have been using VOIP (probably Vonage) for quite some time. I've >been holding off. How is it going with that? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 4 16:04:57 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:04:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <20060204121333.23A634BB@dm17.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060204121333.23A634BB@dm17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <43E52509.4020501@san.rr.com> I haven't gotten as far as seeing if it will work yet because I can't get Firefox to allow it to be installed. But it's a plug-in for accuradio. The download is specifically for 1.5. Rocky Kathryn Bassett wrote: > There's not very many of the plugins that work with 1.5 yet, so what one is it? I've found a couple that I use that have the updated plugin on the developer's site, but not yet on the plugin site. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: 04 Feb 2006 11:38 am >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In >> >> I' just downloaded version 1.5 of firefox. Looks good. Now >> I'm trying to do a plug-in and when I try to download I get >> the yellow bar with the message "Software installation is >> currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and >> try again". OK. So I click the Edit Options button, brings >> up the Firefox Options dialog box and...there's no check box >> (like I think I remember from previous version) to enable >> software installation. Anybody know where they hid it? >> >> MTIA, >> >> Rocky >> >> P.S. It's not allowed sites. This is something different. >> I've already >> allowed the site where this is coming from. >> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Feb 4 16:24:46 2006 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:24:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <43E52509.4020501@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> Ah, then go to Tools > Options, the Contents tab and see if there is something there that is not allowing it. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: 04 Feb 2006 2:05 pm > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In > > I haven't gotten as far as seeing if it will work yet because > I can't get Firefox to allow it to be installed. But it's a > plug-in for accuradio. The download is specifically for 1.5. > > Rocky > > > Kathryn Bassett wrote: > > There's not very many of the plugins that work with 1.5 > yet, so what one is it? I've found a couple that I use that > have the updated plugin on the developer's site, but not yet > on the plugin site. > > > > -- > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my > bag" "GH is > > my soap" > > kathryn at bassett.net > > http://bassett.net > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > >> Smolin - Beach Access Software > >> Sent: 04 Feb 2006 11:38 am > >> To: dba-tech > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In > >> > >> I' just downloaded version 1.5 of firefox. Looks good. Now I'm > >> trying to do a plug-in and when I try to download I get the yellow > >> bar with the message "Software installation is currently > disabled. > >> Click Edit Options...to enable it and try again". OK. So > I click the > >> Edit Options button, brings up the Firefox Options dialog box > >> and...there's no check box (like I think I remember from previous > >> version) to enable software installation. Anybody know where they > >> hid it? > >> > >> MTIA, > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> P.S. It's not allowed sites. This is something different. > >> I've already > >> allowed the site where this is coming from. > >> > >> -- > >> Rocky Smolin > >> Beach Access Software > >> 858-259-4334 > >> www.e-z-mrp.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Feb 4 16:29:26 2006 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:29:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage In-Reply-To: <43E510C8.60801@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000701c629da$754ae610$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Wireless as in? You get to the internet through satellite? Definitely won't work. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage John, As I read the Vonage ads, I gather that a wireless connection will not work. Is that correct? I would like to try Vonage, but my high-speed broadband connection is wireless. Tina John Colby wrote: >It saves me a TON of money for regular phone, which I give some back to >them in the fax and 800 number. It is $25+ for unlimited local/long >distance anywhere in the US and Canada. Also very low rates to places >like Mexico and Ireland. $25 for unlimited phone is dirt cheap. Of >course you have to have high speed internet, but since I have to have >that anyway for my business, I don't count that as a "phone" expense. >I talk to my clients for >1 hour regularly, 3 hours often. At 10c / minute that is $6 / hour. >So it only takes a few hours to pay for the $25. Plus we call family >all over the country and talk as long as we wish. > >It is better quality than Cellular. > >As a result of having Vonage, I have no real use for the "unlimited >middle of the night and weekend (what were those hours again)" cell >phone crapola, and so I switched my Cellular to Virgin Mobile, where I >am now paying less than $5 per month for cell phone - I don't use cell >a lot, just a "pay phone in my pocket" kind of thing. My cell is "pay >as you go". It costs me 25c / minute for the first 10 minutes a day, >then 10c / min after that. It turns out for my usage patterns (I may >make / receive 1 call every few days) that is just incredibly cheap. >My wife is the same way. Not the plan for a teenager however. > >So with Virgin Mobile my wife and I both have a cell, and it costs us a >minimum of $5 / month apiece ($15 every 90 days to keep the number active). >Not bad for "a pay phone in your pocket" - and it uses the Sprint >network so the quality isn't too bad. I paid $20 apiece for the >phones, delivered to my door. Basic but with everything I need. No >camera or all that happy HS but who cares. It's a cell phone. > >I used to pay ATT $36 / month for ONE cell phone, and the "privilege" >of a two year contract, early termination fees, piss poor customer >service, and my wife and I were always having a discussion over who >would carry it when we went out. > >So if a client calls on my cell, then it costs me more, but then my >client pays a high enough hourly rate that the cost of the call is >buried in the noise of expenses. Plus, they really don't call me on my >cell all that much since I work from home most of the time, so they get me on my Vonage line. > >So there you have it. I do like Vonage, and I do like Virgin Mobile. >And if you decide to use either, let me know as I can get a referral >"bonus" if you give either company a code that says I sent you. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:00 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Also, does it save a lot over the traditional phone services - either >in money or stress? > >I have DSL and its not a problem at all but my phone service is. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:31 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Hi John, >Have you used the voicemail or fax services? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:03 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >I have had Vonage for about 2 years now. It works well, but is not >without issues. It uses your internet connection so anything that >affects that affects your phone calls. > > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:19 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Anybody using it? I'm particularly interested in how some of the >advanced features such as Voice mail & FAXing are working out. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:55 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage > >Some of you have been using VOIP (probably Vonage) for quite some time. >I've been holding off. How is it going with that? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 4 19:05:36 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:05:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <43E54F60.5010200@san.rr.com> Nah. Don't see any check box there to allow to prohibit software installation. :-( Rocky Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Ah, then go to Tools > Options, the Contents tab and see if there is something there that is not allowing it. > Kathryn > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: 04 Feb 2006 2:05 pm >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In >> >> I haven't gotten as far as seeing if it will work yet because >> I can't get Firefox to allow it to be installed. But it's a >> plug-in for accuradio. The download is specifically for 1.5. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Kathryn Bassett wrote: >> >>> There's not very many of the plugins that work with 1.5 >>> >> yet, so what one is it? I've found a couple that I use that >> have the updated plugin on the developer's site, but not yet >> on the plugin site. >> >>> -- >>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my >>> >> bag" "GH is >> >>> my soap" >>> kathryn at bassett.net >>> http://bassett.net >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>> Sent: 04 Feb 2006 11:38 am >>>> To: dba-tech >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In >>>> >>>> I' just downloaded version 1.5 of firefox. Looks good. Now I'm >>>> trying to do a plug-in and when I try to download I get the yellow >>>> bar with the message "Software installation is currently >>>> >> disabled. >> >>>> Click Edit Options...to enable it and try again". OK. So >>>> >> I click the >> >>>> Edit Options button, brings up the Firefox Options dialog box >>>> and...there's no check box (like I think I remember from previous >>>> version) to enable software installation. Anybody know where they >>>> hid it? >>>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> P.S. It's not allowed sites. This is something different. >>>> I've already >>>> allowed the site where this is coming from. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 19:14:50 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:14:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <43E54F60.5010200@san.rr.com> References: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> <43E54F60.5010200@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On 04/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Nah. Don't see any check box there to allow to prohibit software > installation. :-( Is it a plugin or an extension? There is a difference. Plugins require DLL installation into a specific directory in the FF tree. Extensions are installed via the UI. What is the URL of the plugin you are trying to install? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 4 22:16:30 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:16:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: References: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> <43E54F60.5010200@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <43E57C1E.8050809@san.rr.com> Bryan: This is the page with the plugin for all the versions. http://www.iol.ie/%7Elocka/mozilla/plugin.htm#download I'm trying to install the one for version 1.5 Thanks. Rocky Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 04/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> Nah. Don't see any check box there to allow to prohibit software >> installation. :-( >> > > Is it a plugin or an extension? There is a difference. > > Plugins require DLL installation into a specific directory in the FF > tree. Extensions are installed via the UI. > > What is the URL of the plugin you are trying to install? > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 10:05:13 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:05:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage In-Reply-To: <43E510C8.60801@torchlake.com> References: <000401c623c8$cf24bac0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805> <43E510C8.60801@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602050805n668a2a7bg9124590569b6f12@mail.gmail.com> Tina, The client I was talking about to John Bartow most certainly has wireless broadband: a laptop with a wireless "G" card in it, a Linksys wireless router, and a Linksys broadband router with the two phone ports for the VOIP phones. One of those ports is for his fax machine; another goes to a 5-way RJ-11 jack. He has two cordless telephones plugged into that 5-way jack. His DSL modem is plugged into the broadband router with the two phone ports. The wireless router is plugged into the broadband router. Works champion. Steve Erbach On 2/4/06, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > As I read the Vonage ads, I gather that a wireless connection will not > work. Is that correct? I would like to try Vonage, but my high-speed > broadband connection is wireless. > Tina > > John Colby wrote: > > >It saves me a TON of money for regular phone, which I give some back to them > >in the fax and 800 number. It is $25+ for unlimited local/long distance > >anywhere in the US and Canada. Also very low rates to places like Mexico > >and Ireland. $25 for unlimited phone is dirt cheap. Of course you have to > >have high speed internet, but since I have to have that anyway for my > >business, I don't count that as a "phone" expense. I talk to my clients for > >1 hour regularly, 3 hours often. At 10c / minute that is $6 / hour. So it > >only takes a few hours to pay for the $25. Plus we call family all over the > >country and talk as long as we wish. > > > >It is better quality than Cellular. > > > >As a result of having Vonage, I have no real use for the "unlimited middle > >of the night and weekend (what were those hours again)" cell phone crapola, > >and so I switched my Cellular to Virgin Mobile, where I am now paying less > >than $5 per month for cell phone - I don't use cell a lot, just a "pay phone From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sun Feb 5 11:04:30 2006 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:04:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602050805n668a2a7bg9124590569b6f12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c62a76$3b4c6e10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805> And I have wireless to my laptop as well. My cable goes in to a cable modem, which then goes into the vonage router, which BTW has a wireless lan built in (for the computers that come after) and out of the vonage router my two laptops are on the wireless lan abd a handful of other computers are tied together via the 4 ports of the Vonage router. So Vonage is one box - 2 phone lines, 4 port hardware router, and a wireless router. The biggest issue is that Vonage wants to be at the head of the line because if it is it will then slow down all other access to the web in favor of its voice packets. If it can't be at the head of the line, then it is "just another requester of bandwidth" and if you are transferring a large file, downloading music etc the phone quality can degrade. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VOIP / Vonage Tina, The client I was talking about to John Bartow most certainly has wireless broadband: a laptop with a wireless "G" card in it, a Linksys wireless router, and a Linksys broadband router with the two phone ports for the VOIP phones. One of those ports is for his fax machine; another goes to a 5-way RJ-11 jack. He has two cordless telephones plugged into that 5-way jack. His DSL modem is plugged into the broadband router with the two phone ports. The wireless router is plugged into the broadband router. Works champion. Steve Erbach On 2/4/06, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > John, > As I read the Vonage ads, I gather that a wireless connection will not > work. Is that correct? I would like to try Vonage, but my high-speed > broadband connection is wireless. > Tina > > John Colby wrote: > > >It saves me a TON of money for regular phone, which I give some back > >to them in the fax and 800 number. It is $25+ for unlimited > >local/long distance anywhere in the US and Canada. Also very low > >rates to places like Mexico and Ireland. $25 for unlimited phone is > >dirt cheap. Of course you have to have high speed internet, but > >since I have to have that anyway for my business, I don't count that > >as a "phone" expense. I talk to my clients for > >1 hour regularly, 3 hours often. At 10c / minute that is $6 / hour. > >So it only takes a few hours to pay for the $25. Plus we call family > >all over the country and talk as long as we wish. > > > >It is better quality than Cellular. > > > >As a result of having Vonage, I have no real use for the "unlimited > >middle of the night and weekend (what were those hours again)" cell > >phone crapola, and so I switched my Cellular to Virgin Mobile, where > >I am now paying less than $5 per month for cell phone - I don't use > >cell a lot, just a "pay phone _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 11:55:47 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:55:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Plug-In In-Reply-To: <43E57C1E.8050809@san.rr.com> References: <20060204142449.23A63DEA@dm18.mta.everyone.net> <43E54F60.5010200@san.rr.com> <43E57C1E.8050809@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On 04/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Bryan: > > This is the page with the plugin for all the versions. > > http://www.iol.ie/%7Elocka/mozilla/plugin.htm#download > > I'm trying to install the one for version 1.5 Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I was rebuilding my computer all weekend. I have installed this on all 3 of my FF1.5 installations and it is working just fine for me. Now, having said that, I just tried some experimentation. Open a new tab, and type about:config in the Address bar. This will open up the config variables for FF. In the filter box type xpinstall.enabled Change this from false to true and try reinstalling the plugin. No need to restart FF after this setting change. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" 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Message-ID: <000601c62fe2$3bb611a0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I have a Dell Inspiron 8200, which is about 3 ? years old, but works exactly as I bought it. There is one thing I would like to upgrade if possible. This laptop has a USB port that is not High Speed. I believe that it is USB 1.1, where the current version is USB 2.0 (40X faster). Is it feasible to try to upgrade this laptop to USB 2.0? Thanks! Dan From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Feb 12 10:12:44 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:12:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace Message-ID: <43EF5E7C.5050901@san.rr.com> This is a spam coming from one of my email accounts. Does anyone know of a site where I could perhaps find out who is sending these emails? I know the target. The account is closed. 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-- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sun Feb 12 10:25:42 2006 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:25:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? In-Reply-To: <000601c62fe2$3bb611a0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <00a901c62ff0$f86eb820$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805> Nope. AFAIK laptops don't upgrade in that fashion. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:40 AM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? I have a Dell Inspiron 8200, which is about 3 ? years old, but works exactly as I bought it. There is one thing I would like to upgrade if possible. This laptop has a USB port that is not High Speed. I believe that it is USB 1.1, where the current version is USB 2.0 (40X faster). Is it feasible to try to upgrade this laptop to USB 2.0? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 12 10:34:43 2006 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:34:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? Message-ID: Hi Dan No, not directly, but option cards are available. Some examples: http://www.bixnet.com/2poruspcmcic.html /gustav >>> jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 12-02-2006 17:25:42 >>> Nope. AFAIK laptops don't upgrade in that fashion. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:40 AM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? I have a Dell Inspiron 8200, which is about 3 ? years old, but works exactly as I bought it. There is one thing I would like to upgrade if possible. This laptop has a USB port that is not High Speed. I believe that it is USB 1.1, where the current version is USB 2.0 (40X faster). Is it feasible to try to upgrade this laptop to USB 2.0? Thanks! Dan From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Feb 12 11:10:15 2006 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:10:15 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? In-Reply-To: <000601c62fe2$3bb611a0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000c01c62ff7$3164b930$0300a8c0@jt2> It's a hardware standard isn't it? So probably unlikely to be able to upgrade without getting an external card - PCMCIA or something. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 12 February 2006 14:40 To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? I have a Dell Inspiron 8200, which is about 3 ? years old, but works exactly as I bought it. There is one thing I would like to upgrade if possible. This laptop has a USB port that is not High Speed. I believe that it is USB 1.1, where the current version is USB 2.0 (40X faster). Is it feasible to try to upgrade this laptop to USB 2.0? Thanks! 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Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 12 February 2006 16:13 To: dba-tech Subject: [-SPAM-] [dba-Tech] Spam trace This is a spam coming from one of my email accounts. Does anyone know of a site where I could perhaps find out who is sending these emails? I know the target. The account is closed. TIA Rocky -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:15:13 -0600 From: Mail Delivery System To: sales at e-z-mrp.com This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. 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____________________________________________________ -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Feb 12 12:19:21 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:19:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <000d01c62ff7$69ea53f0$0300a8c0@jt2> References: <000d01c62ff7$69ea53f0$0300a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no idea what I'm talking about.) Rocky Jon Tydda wrote: > I would have thought it was unlikely that you can do anything about it - > probably someone who has you and the targets email addresses in their > address book, who has a virus, which is using your address as a mask. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: 12 February 2006 16:13 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [-SPAM-] [dba-Tech] Spam trace > > > This is a spam coming from one of my email accounts. > > Does anyone know of a site where I could perhaps find out who is sending > these emails? I know the target. The account is closed. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:15:13 -0600 > From: Mail Delivery System > To: sales at e-z-mrp.com > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > seahold at aol.com > (ultimately generated from sales at e-z-mrp.com) > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: > host mailin-04.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.217]: 554-: > (HVU:B1) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html > 554 TRANSACTION FAILED > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from [222.157.68.164] (helo=coastalmailing.com) > by server.microonlineservices.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) > id 1F8FCB-0002v4-Df > for sales at e-z-mrp.com; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:15:12 -0600 > Received: from 213.208.215.253 > (SquirrelMail authenticated user sales at abnamro.com); > by coastalmailing.com with HTTP id J85Gz005549515; > Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 > Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 > Subject: Custom design work > From: "Roberta" > To: sales at e-z-mrp.com > User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a > X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html > X-Priority: 3 > > >
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____________________________________________________ IV> > > > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Feb 12 12:57:00 2006 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:57:00 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <003301c63006$1af0bf00$0300a8c0@jt2> Er not sure... That's not really my thing to be honest. Incidentally, I wonder how many people have seen these messages, as I know they keep appearing in my spam folder. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 12 February 2006 18:19 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [-SPAM-] Re: [dba-Tech] Spam trace Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no idea what I'm talking about.) Rocky Jon Tydda wrote: > I would have thought it was unlikely that you can do anything about it > - probably someone who has you and the targets email addresses in > their address book, who has a virus, which is using your address as a mask. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: 12 February 2006 16:13 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [-SPAM-] [dba-Tech] Spam trace > > > This is a spam coming from one of my email accounts. > > Does anyone know of a site where I could perhaps find out who is > sending these emails? I know the target. The account is closed. > > > TIA > > Rocky From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Feb 12 13:05:30 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:05:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? In-Reply-To: <20171488.1139762279747.JavaMail.root@sniper13> Message-ID: <000001c63007$4ba337d0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Thanks Gustav - that's an excellent option! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:35 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? Hi Dan No, not directly, but option cards are available. Some examples: http://www.bixnet.com/2poruspcmcic.html /gustav >>> jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com 12-02-2006 17:25:42 >>> Nope. AFAIK laptops don't upgrade in that fashion. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:40 AM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Upgrade a Laptop? I have a Dell Inspiron 8200, which is about 3 ? years old, but works exactly as I bought it. There is one thing I would like to upgrade if possible. This laptop has a USB port that is not High Speed. I believe that it is USB 1.1, where the current version is USB 2.0 (40X faster). Is it feasible to try to upgrade this laptop to USB 2.0? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darsant at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 13:28:28 2006 From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:28:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> References: <000d01c62ff7$69ea53f0$0300a8c0@jt2> <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <53c8e05a0602121128h12ff1f55ta8314c08a3d1a9a4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no > idea what I'm talking about.) Look at the received from hosts and see if any of them link to you. OTOH, do you have a web based form that uses PHP sendmail? If so, do you allow the user to enter subject, title, and / or from address? Some people have been able to hack those to hijack them to send out outgoing emails. -- Josh McFarlane "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." -Albert Einstein From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Feb 12 14:50:37 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:50:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0602121128h12ff1f55ta8314c08a3d1a9a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <000d01c62ff7$69ea53f0$0300a8c0@jt2> <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> <53c8e05a0602121128h12ff1f55ta8314c08a3d1a9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EF9F9D.4030905@san.rr.com> Josh: No PHP. No sendmail. Josh McFarlane wrote: > On 2/12/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no >> idea what I'm talking about.) >> > > Look at the received from hosts and see if any of them link to you. > > OTOH, do you have a web based form that uses PHP sendmail? If so, do > you allow the user to enter subject, title, and / or from address? > > Some people have been able to hack those to hijack them to send out > outgoing emails. > > -- > Josh McFarlane > > "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." > -Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 16:25:18 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:25:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> References: <000d01c62ff7$69ea53f0$0300a8c0@jt2> <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no > idea what I'm talking about.) It can be traced via the headers, sort of. Unfortunately the headers can be forged too. Assuming that the headers you posted are all the headers, and they haven't been forged, the e-mail came from 213.208.215.253 It's these 2 headers that tell me that: Received: from 213.208.215.253 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sales at abnamro.com); by coastalmailing.com with HTTP id J85Gz005549515; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 Message-Id: But, I wouldn't bet your coffee money on them not being forged. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 12 16:26:37 2006 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:26:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: <43EF5E7C.5050901@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F042BD.4059.C0975C2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 12 Feb 2006 at 8:12, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > This is a spam coming from one of my email accounts. > > Does anyone know of a site where I could perhaps find out who is sending > these emails? I know the target. The account is closed. > > www.dnsstuff.com is the best. > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from [222.157.68.164] (helo=coastalmailing.com) > by server.microonlineservices.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) > id 1F8FCB-0002v4-Df 222-157-68-164 resolves to an address in a block assigned to "dynamic.cctv.lsc.net.tw" In other words, the spam is being sent from a computer with a dynamic IP address in Taiwan. It's likely to be a "zombie" machine ie machine that has been taken over by a trojan and is being used to send spams without the owners knowledge. > for sales at e-z-mrp.com; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:15:12 -0600 > Received: from 213.208.215.253 > (SquirrelMail authenticated user sales at abnamro.com); > by coastalmailing.com with HTTP id J85Gz005549515; > Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 > Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 > Subject: Custom design work > From: "Roberta" > To: sales at e-z-mrp.com > User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a > X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html > X-Priority: 3 > > >
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____________________________________________________ IV> > > > > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 12 16:35:57 2006 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:35:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam trace In-Reply-To: References: <43EF7C29.7010209@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F044ED.5566.C120132@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 12 Feb 2006 at 17:25, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 12/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > Can't be traced fro the headers, then? (Just fishing here. I have no > > idea what I'm talking about.) > > It can be traced via the headers, sort of. Unfortunately the headers > can be forged too. > > Assuming that the headers you posted are all the headers, and they > haven't been forged, the e-mail came from 213.208.215.253 > > It's these 2 headers that tell me that: > > Received: from 213.208.215.253 > (SquirrelMail authenticated user sales at abnamro.com); > by coastalmailing.com with HTTP id J85Gz005549515; > Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:14:30 +0000 > Message-Id: > > But, I wouldn't bet your coffee money on them not being forged. > I'd bet the 213.208.215.253 is forged. It doesn't resolve. The only one you can trust is the last Received header since that's your own mail server's connection and the address is the one that your server was sending its responses to. In this case, since it's a dynamic address in .tw, I'd bet my coffee money on that being the actual originator of the email. -- Stuart From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 15:45:02 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:45:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602081232w1c3a84eeo6009547d27b2bf27@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30602081232w1c3a84eeo6009547d27b2bf27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602131345w5f47a64x7ae9e57711c0fb13@mail.gmail.com> Answered my own question, more or less. After re-installing Windows through the Repair option on the Windows XP CD and re-installing all 39 of the blankety blank XP updates, I found something in the "Windows XP Cookbook" by Allen and Gralla. The "recipe" involved cloning a Windows system. I'm sure that anyone here that manages an s-load of identical workstations in a big company knows about this. From "Windows XP Cookbook:" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Use SYSPREP to accomplish this. First, configure and arrange the initial machine as you like it, using the local administrator account. Then: Create a new local administrator. See Chapter 15 for instructions on creating local users. Log out of the local administrator account and log in to the new account you created. Navigate to the System applet inside Control Panel. Under the Advanced tab, click the User Profiles button. Select the one called Administrator that has the local machine's name in it, and click Copy To. Click Change in the Permitted to Use section. Select Everyone in the list. This gives permission for anybody logged into the computer to use the contents of the profile. Click OK. Click OK to get out of the Copy To dialog box. Finally, copy the contents of the Documents and Settings\Administrator folder to Documents and Settings\Default Users. Ensure that you are displaying hidden files and folders so that you copy all configuration files. Now, run SYSPREP with the following command: > sysprep -reseal -quiet -mini -pnp SYSPREP will strip the SIDs off the system, scrub any personal identifying information from the image, and then shut down the machine. From that point, use a drive copying utility to move the images to multiple machines. Once the copy is complete, reboot the computer without the floppy and proceed through mini-Setup again, so that all personal information can be restored and new SIDs can be generated. Do this on the cloned computers and the original "prototype" computer. Discussion Products like Symantec Ghost are often the quickest way to lay down an image of a drive onto multiple systems at once. The downside is that by taking what amounts to a photograph of a machine, any security identifiers (SIDs) that are stored on the machine are replicated in that image to other machines. The result would be multiple machines with identical SIDs, which can cause a lot of problems on your network. Ghost and DriveImage have SID generators built in, but Microsoft doesn't support that. The company wants you to use SYSPREP instead, which scrubs SIDs from an image in a supported fashion so that you can clone a machine easily. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not sure that the ailing hard disk on that system would have survived long enough (it's pretty much toast now), but I'm glad to know how to get Windows working properly on a cloned drive. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 2/8/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > I'm just checking up to make sure my conceptions about how to do this > are in the ballpark. > > My wife's PC has two 160 GB drives, each one divided into two > partitions. We use Norton Ghost to backup the main 160 GB drive to > the additional drive. Windows sees the drives as C and D on the main > device, and E and F on the additional drive. From john at winhaven.net Mon Feb 13 18:13:08 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:13:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602131345w5f47a64x7ae9e57711c0fb13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c630fb$6f7aa130$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Steve, Sorry, I missed this completely. The biggest difference between cloning and ghosting is that you're typically using ghosting as a safety measure of to quickly load various configurations on testing machines (well - at least I am). When you're cloning you're mass installing on new machines. You're often not going to get the luxury of doing all of that prep work on a dying machine because when the HD dies (or is dying) you probably don't want to rely on prepping and ghosting it at that point. Even so I think you would agree that it is much faster to ghost and use the repair method as you did to recover the OS and apps than it is to reinstall it all from scratch. I have heard of another way to do this that involved deleting the WinXP product installation key but I can't find it now. Anyway it basically just prompted you for the new ID# and you continue on as before. Maybe it was some hack that got taken down but its worth googling around for. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive Answered my own question, more or less. After re-installing Windows through the Repair option on the Windows XP CD and re-installing all 39 of the blankety blank XP updates, I found something in the "Windows XP Cookbook" by Allen and Gralla. The "recipe" involved cloning a Windows system. I'm sure that anyone here that manages an s-load of identical workstations in a big company knows about this. From "Windows XP Cookbook:" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Use SYSPREP to accomplish this. First, configure and arrange the initial machine as you like it, using the local administrator account. Then: Create a new local administrator. See Chapter 15 for instructions on creating local users. Log out of the local administrator account and log in to the new account you created. Navigate to the System applet inside Control Panel. Under the Advanced tab, click the User Profiles button. Select the one called Administrator that has the local machine's name in it, and click Copy To. Click Change in the Permitted to Use section. Select Everyone in the list. This gives permission for anybody logged into the computer to use the contents of the profile. Click OK. Click OK to get out of the Copy To dialog box. Finally, copy the contents of the Documents and Settings\Administrator folder to Documents and Settings\Default Users. Ensure that you are displaying hidden files and folders so that you copy all configuration files. Now, run SYSPREP with the following command: > sysprep -reseal -quiet -mini -pnp SYSPREP will strip the SIDs off the system, scrub any personal identifying information from the image, and then shut down the machine. From that point, use a drive copying utility to move the images to multiple machines. Once the copy is complete, reboot the computer without the floppy and proceed through mini-Setup again, so that all personal information can be restored and new SIDs can be generated. Do this on the cloned computers and the original "prototype" computer. Discussion Products like Symantec Ghost are often the quickest way to lay down an image of a drive onto multiple systems at once. The downside is that by taking what amounts to a photograph of a machine, any security identifiers (SIDs) that are stored on the machine are replicated in that image to other machines. The result would be multiple machines with identical SIDs, which can cause a lot of problems on your network. Ghost and DriveImage have SID generators built in, but Microsoft doesn't support that. The company wants you to use SYSPREP instead, which scrubs SIDs from an image in a supported fashion so that you can clone a machine easily. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not sure that the ailing hard disk on that system would have survived long enough (it's pretty much toast now), but I'm glad to know how to get Windows working properly on a cloned drive. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 2/8/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > I'm just checking up to make sure my conceptions about how to do this > are in the ballpark. > > My wife's PC has two 160 GB drives, each one divided into two > partitions. We use Norton Ghost to backup the main 160 GB drive to > the additional drive. Windows sees the drives as C and D on the main > device, and E and F on the additional drive. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 14 01:41:03 2006 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:41:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6382@stekelbes.ithelps.local> A small note on Partition Magic from Symantec. I recently bought it, to make some changes on my home pc disks. But it seems that Partition Magic does not support dynamic disks. So it it's quiet useless to me now.... I also ordered Ghost, but its not deliverd yet.. I suspect that that will work with dynamic disks because it works at windows level? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Bartow Verzonden: dinsdag 14 februari 2006 1:13 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive Steve, Sorry, I missed this completely. The biggest difference between cloning and ghosting is that you're typically using ghosting as a safety measure of to quickly load various configurations on testing machines (well - at least I am). When you're cloning you're mass installing on new machines. You're often not going to get the luxury of doing all of that prep work on a dying machine because when the HD dies (or is dying) you probably don't want to rely on prepping and ghosting it at that point. Even so I think you would agree that it is much faster to ghost and use the repair method as you did to recover the OS and apps than it is to reinstall it all from scratch. I have heard of another way to do this that involved deleting the WinXP product installation key but I can't find it now. Anyway it basically just prompted you for the new ID# and you continue on as before. Maybe it was some hack that got taken down but its worth googling around for. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive Answered my own question, more or less. After re-installing Windows through the Repair option on the Windows XP CD and re-installing all 39 of the blankety blank XP updates, I found something in the "Windows XP Cookbook" by Allen and Gralla. The "recipe" involved cloning a Windows system. I'm sure that anyone here that manages an s-load of identical workstations in a big company knows about this. From "Windows XP Cookbook:" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Use SYSPREP to accomplish this. First, configure and arrange the initial machine as you like it, using the local administrator account. Then: Create a new local administrator. See Chapter 15 for instructions on creating local users. Log out of the local administrator account and log in to the new account you created. Navigate to the System applet inside Control Panel. Under the Advanced tab, click the User Profiles button. Select the one called Administrator that has the local machine's name in it, and click Copy To. Click Change in the Permitted to Use section. Select Everyone in the list. This gives permission for anybody logged into the computer to use the contents of the profile. Click OK. Click OK to get out of the Copy To dialog box. Finally, copy the contents of the Documents and Settings\Administrator folder to Documents and Settings\Default Users. Ensure that you are displaying hidden files and folders so that you copy all configuration files. Now, run SYSPREP with the following command: > sysprep -reseal -quiet -mini -pnp SYSPREP will strip the SIDs off the system, scrub any personal identifying information from the image, and then shut down the machine. >From that point, use a drive copying utility to move the images to multiple machines. Once the copy is complete, reboot the computer without the floppy and proceed through mini-Setup again, so that all personal information can be restored and new SIDs can be generated. Do this on the cloned computers and the original "prototype" computer. Discussion Products like Symantec Ghost are often the quickest way to lay down an image of a drive onto multiple systems at once. The downside is that by taking what amounts to a photograph of a machine, any security identifiers (SIDs) that are stored on the machine are replicated in that image to other machines. The result would be multiple machines with identical SIDs, which can cause a lot of problems on your network. Ghost and DriveImage have SID generators built in, but Microsoft doesn't support that. The company wants you to use SYSPREP instead, which scrubs SIDs from an image in a supported fashion so that you can clone a machine easily. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not sure that the ailing hard disk on that system would have survived long enough (it's pretty much toast now), but I'm glad to know how to get Windows working properly on a cloned drive. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 2/8/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > I'm just checking up to make sure my conceptions about how to do this > are in the ballpark. > > My wife's PC has two 160 GB drives, each one divided into two > partitions. We use Norton Ghost to backup the main 160 GB drive to > the additional drive. Windows sees the drives as C and D on the main > device, and E and F on the additional drive. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 11:04:30 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:04:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6382@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6382@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602140904h46bdb112h385c294fc0fbf028@mail.gmail.com> Erwin, Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by "at windows level." When I run Ghost from Windows, I tell it which drive to ghost and then it reboots the PC into DOS to actually perform the ghosting. I have run into an issue on my workstation after Ghosting where upon re-starting Windows XP Pro goes to a blue screen with a system halt message. Sometimes rebooting multiple times doesn't work so that I have to put in my old version of SysInternals ERD Commander to get Windows to get its undies unbundled. It's a mystery to me. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/14/06, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > A small note on Partition Magic from Symantec. > I recently bought it, to make some changes on my home pc disks. > But it seems that Partition Magic does not support dynamic disks. > So it it's quiet useless to me now.... > > I also ordered Ghost, but its not deliverd yet.. > I suspect that that will work with dynamic disks because it works at > windows level? > > Erwin > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Bartow > Verzonden: dinsdag 14 februari 2006 1:13 > Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive > > Steve, > Sorry, I missed this completely. > > The biggest difference between cloning and ghosting is that you're > typically using ghosting as a safety measure of to quickly load various > configurations on testing machines (well - at least I am). > > When you're cloning you're mass installing on new machines. > > You're often not going to get the luxury of doing all of that prep work > on a dying machine because when the HD dies (or is dying) you probably > don't want to rely on prepping and ghosting it at that point. > > Even so I think you would agree that it is much faster to ghost and use > the repair method as you did to recover the OS and apps than it is to > reinstall it all from scratch. > > I have heard of another way to do this that involved deleting the WinXP > product installation key but I can't find it now. Anyway it basically > just prompted you for the new ID# and you continue on as before. Maybe > it was some hack that got taken down but its worth googling around for. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 14 12:23:38 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:23:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs Message-ID: <43F2202A.3050905@san.rr.com> Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of attachment types to include or exclude. I'm using Systemworks 2005. TIA Rocky -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Feb 14 12:31:30 2006 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:31:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs Message-ID: Rocky, Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. Ed Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > > Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to > emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of > attachment types to include or exclude. > > I'm using Systemworks 2005. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Feb 14 12:54:49 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:54:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B242@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F7F@ADGSERVER> I agree that it is probably Outlook if that is what you are using. I use Systemworks 2006 (had 2005) and had no trouble getting MDBs. Although I did make the registry changes to allow the attachments. Have you tried having them rename the MDB? Or to zip it up? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs Rocky, Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. Ed Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > > Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to > emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of > attachment types to include or exclude. > > I'm using Systemworks 2005. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > -- > Rocky Smolin From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Feb 14 12:55:46 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:55:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B217@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F80@ADGSERVER> Note that Ghost 9 and up will ghost from within Windows. As will Acronis True Image. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive Importance: Low Erwin, Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by "at windows level." When I run Ghost from Windows, I tell it which drive to ghost and then it reboots the PC into DOS to actually perform the ghosting. I have run into an issue on my workstation after Ghosting where upon re-starting Windows XP Pro goes to a blue screen with a system halt message. Sometimes rebooting multiple times doesn't work so that I have to put in my old version of SysInternals ERD Commander to get Windows to get its undies unbundled. It's a mystery to me. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/14/06, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > A small note on Partition Magic from Symantec. > I recently bought it, to make some changes on my home pc disks. > But it seems that Partition Magic does not support dynamic disks. > So it it's quiet useless to me now.... > > I also ordered Ghost, but its not deliverd yet.. > I suspect that that will work with dynamic disks because it works at > windows level? > > Erwin > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Bartow > Verzonden: dinsdag 14 februari 2006 1:13 > Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive > > Steve, > Sorry, I missed this completely. > > The biggest difference between cloning and ghosting is that you're > typically using ghosting as a safety measure of to quickly load various > configurations on testing machines (well - at least I am). > > When you're cloning you're mass installing on new machines. > > You're often not going to get the luxury of doing all of that prep work > on a dying machine because when the HD dies (or is dying) you probably > don't want to rely on prepping and ghosting it at that point. > > Even so I think you would agree that it is much faster to ghost and use > the repair method as you did to recover the OS and apps than it is to > reinstall it all from scratch. > > I have heard of another way to do this that involved deleting the WinXP > product installation key but I can't find it now. Anyway it basically > just prompted you for the new ID# and you continue on as before. Maybe > it was some hack that got taken down but its worth googling around for. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 14 13:40:50 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:40:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F23242.4060701@san.rr.com> Ed: It replaced the attachment with a text files saying: "Symantec Mail Security replaced Copy of IntelE-Z-MRPWW07.mdb with this text message. The original attachment type is prohibited and was deleted." I'm assuming that's Norton. I'm using Mozilla's Thunderbird. Rocky Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Rocky, > Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is > to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. > Ed > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs >> >> Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to >> emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of >> attachment types to include or exclude. >> >> I'm using Systemworks 2005. >> >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 14 13:42:23 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:42:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F7F@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F7F@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <43F2329F.3010602@san.rr.com> Bobby: Zip and rename work. I routinely use that sending stuff to Los Alamos and Intel. (Great security system, huh?). But I'm not worried about a malicious mdb. It would be convenient if I didn't have to go back to a client and ask them to zip or rename (for some of them, that's a major project.) Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > I agree that it is probably Outlook if that is what you are using. I use > Systemworks 2006 (had 2005) and had no trouble getting MDBs. Although I did > make the registry changes to allow the attachments. > > Have you tried having them rename the MDB? Or to zip it up? > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:32 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > > > Rocky, > Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is > to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. > Ed > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs >> >> Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to >> emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of >> attachment types to include or exclude. >> >> I'm using Systemworks 2005. >> >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Feb 14 13:58:34 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:58:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B259@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned off on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see anything that might be blocking your stuff. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs Importance: Low Ed: It replaced the attachment with a text files saying: "Symantec Mail Security replaced Copy of IntelE-Z-MRPWW07.mdb with this text message. The original attachment type is prohibited and was deleted." I'm assuming that's Norton. I'm using Mozilla's Thunderbird. Rocky Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Rocky, > Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is > to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. > Ed > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM >> To: dba-tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs >> >> Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to >> emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of >> attachment types to include or exclude. >> >> I'm using Systemworks 2005. >> >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin -- Rocky Smolin From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 14 14:50:43 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:50:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options in Norton. Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned off > on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see anything > that might be blocking your stuff. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:41 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > Importance: Low > > > Ed: > > It replaced the attachment with a text files saying: "Symantec Mail > Security replaced Copy of IntelE-Z-MRPWW07.mdb with this text message. > The original attachment type is prohibited and was deleted." > > I'm assuming that's Norton. I'm using Mozilla's Thunderbird. > > Rocky > > > Tesiny, Ed wrote: > >> Rocky, >> Are you sure Norton is doing this, in Outlook I believe the default is >> to strip .mdbs, I had to edit the registry to let them get through. >> Ed >> >> Ed Tesiny >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:24 PM >>> To: dba-tech >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs >>> >>> Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to >>> emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of >>> attachment types to include or exclude. >>> >>> I'm using Systemworks 2005. >>> >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> -- >>> Rocky Smolin >>> > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 18:04:19 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:04:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F80@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B217@ADGSERVER> <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F80@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602141604u72f28a93hcfa80af226eec408@mail.gmail.com> Bobby, Ah! I have Ghost as part of Norton SystemWorks 2003. Thanks! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/14/06, Bobby Heid wrote: > Note that Ghost 9 and up will ghost from within Windows. As will Acronis > True Image. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:05 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive > Importance: Low > > > Erwin, > > Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by "at windows level." When I run > Ghost from Windows, I tell it which drive to ghost and then it reboots > the PC into DOS to actually perform the ghosting. I have run into an > issue on my workstation after Ghosting where upon re-starting Windows > XP Pro goes to a blue screen with a system halt message. Sometimes > rebooting multiple times doesn't work so that I have to put in my old > version of SysInternals ERD Commander to get Windows to get its undies > unbundled. It's a mystery to me. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 18:24:42 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:24:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the attachments. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from > clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options > in Norton. > > Rocky > > > Bobby Heid wrote: > > It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned off > > on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see anything > > that might be blocking your stuff. > > > > Bobby > > From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 14 19:10:02 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:10:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> Steve: I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. Rocky Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the > attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use > ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you > define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the > Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the > attachments. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > > On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >> in Norton. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Bobby Heid wrote: >> >>> It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned off >>> on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see anything >>> that might be blocking your stuff. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Feb 15 06:18:34 2006 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:18:34 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC847FF@ALCUXB> ooh, ooh, Microsoft have released Windows Defender Beta 2! As a test, I've just run it on a pc here, along with Spybot 1.4, Ad-Aware personal 1.6 and Panda Active Scan. Panda picked up 21 objects that it considered spyware. Spybot picked up 14. Ad-Aware picked up 11. Defender picked up 2. According to the scan logs, Panda's spyware objects were all cookies, the same as Ad-Aware's were. Spybot had some cookies, and the fact that there is no antivirus software installed on the pc in question (yes, I know, but it's not on our network, and the people who supplied it stated emphatically that it didn't need AV, and so far they're right, which is rather galling). Defender discovered Tight VNC and RAdmin, both remote control software that was installed by me. It does have some useful looking tools, such as the ability to explore the startup programs, and is a bit better organised that the old version of MSAS, or Giant. They recommend that you uninstall Giant now (where they didn't before) and upgrade to this new product. Apologies for the cross post, but I think people on both lists will find this useful. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 06:46:01 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:46:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B2AF@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F89@ADGSERVER> Rocky, I'm using Sygate also. Although I do use outlook. I am using Norton SystemWorks Premier 2006. I do have Internet worm protection turned off (I had it off in 2005 also). I was not able to get TightVNC working properly with that setting on and I didn't have time to investigate why, so I just turned it off. See if you have that turned on, if so, try turning it off and see if that helps. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs Importance: Low Steve: I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. Rocky Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the > attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use > ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you > define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the > Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the > attachments. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > > On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >> in Norton. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Bobby Heid wrote: >> >>> It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned off >>> on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see anything >>> that might be blocking your stuff. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> > -- Rocky Smolin From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 15 08:44:49 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:44:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F89@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F89@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <43F33E61.1080103@san.rr.com> What protection do we lose with worm protection turned off? Is it effective? Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > Rocky, > > I'm using Sygate also. Although I do use outlook. I am using Norton > SystemWorks Premier 2006. I do have Internet worm protection turned off (I > had it off in 2005 also). I was not able to get TightVNC working properly > with that setting on and I didn't have time to investigate why, so I just > turned it off. See if you have that turned on, if so, try turning it off > and see if that helps. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs > Importance: Low > > > Steve: > > I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet > security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Rocky, >> >> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you >> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the >> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the >> attachments. >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >> >> >> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> > wrote: > >> >> >>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >>> in Norton. >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> Bobby Heid wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned >>>> > off > >>>> on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see >>>> > anything > >>>> that might be blocking your stuff. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 08:58:58 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:58:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B32F@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F91@ADGSERVER> I'm not sure, but I figure with a hardware firewall, software firewall, AV, and other utilities, something ought to catch whatever may come through. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs What protection do we lose with worm protection turned off? Is it effective? Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > Rocky, > > I'm using Sygate also. Although I do use outlook. I am using Norton > SystemWorks Premier 2006. I do have Internet worm protection turned off (I > had it off in 2005 also). I was not able to get TightVNC working properly > with that setting on and I didn't have time to investigate why, so I just > turned it off. See if you have that turned on, if so, try turning it off > and see if that helps. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs > Importance: Low > > > Steve: > > I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet > security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Rocky, >> >> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you >> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the >> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the >> attachments. >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >> >> >> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> > wrote: > >> >> >>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >>> in Norton. >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> Bobby Heid wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It does sound like it is Norton. I have the internet worm stuff turned >>>> > off > >>>> on mine. I'll look at my stuff when I get home to see if I can see >>>> > anything > >>>> that might be blocking your stuff. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 15 09:14:50 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:14:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC847FF@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC847FF@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <43F3456A.3030601@san.rr.com> Got it. Installed it. Ran it. Came up with...nothing! Am I living right, or what? Rocky Jon Tydda wrote: > ooh, ooh, Microsoft have released Windows Defender Beta 2! > > As a test, I've just run it on a pc here, along with Spybot 1.4, Ad-Aware > personal 1.6 and Panda Active Scan. > > Panda picked up 21 objects that it considered spyware. > Spybot picked up 14. > Ad-Aware picked up 11. > Defender picked up 2. > > According to the scan logs, Panda's spyware objects were all cookies, the > same as Ad-Aware's were. Spybot had some cookies, and the fact that there is > no antivirus software installed on the pc in question (yes, I know, but it's > not on our network, and the people who supplied it stated emphatically that > it didn't need AV, and so far they're right, which is rather galling). > Defender discovered Tight VNC and RAdmin, both remote control software that > was installed by me. > > It does have some useful looking tools, such as the ability to explore the > startup programs, and is a bit better organised that the old version of > MSAS, or Giant. They recommend that you uninstall Giant now (where they > didn't before) and upgrade to this new product. > > Apologies for the cross post, but I think people on both lists will find > this useful. > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 09:30:13 2006 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:30:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F2202A.3050905@san.rr.com> References: <43F2202A.3050905@san.rr.com> Message-ID: Perhaps it uses the IE 6 list of unsafe files in the registry?? Described here http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291369 If you know the file is coming, you can turn off email scanning in antivirus. Or perhaps you could use your mail systems WEB interface to download the file before your e-mail client tried to retreive it. Maybe you could configure your mail client to leave the messages on the server to facillitate that. I do that on my laptop system so that I can later download the messages to my desktop "main" system. Since they don't tell you how to do it, I'm thinking that they are using the list in the registry stored for IE though ;-) Good luck. GK On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to > emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of > attachment types to include or exclude. > > I'm using Systemworks 2005. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 10:04:13 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:04:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> Lenovo Thinkpad R51e http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 2001957.html I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across this yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. Quick specs: 15" XGA TFTF screen Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) 512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) 533MHz FSB 6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) CD-RW/DVD-ROM XP Professional 40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so she does not need a high-end laptop. An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after rebates ($720 with XP home). What do you all think about this laptop? Thanks, Bobby From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 10:12:00 2006 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:12:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Seems pretty well decked out to me, built in wireless networking too. The Thinkpad is a well made system - that is what used to be the IBM systems eh?? On 2/15/06, Bobby Heid wrote: > Lenovo Thinkpad R51e > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 > 2001957.html > > I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across this > yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. > > Quick specs: > 15" XGA TFTF screen > Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) > 512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) > 533MHz FSB > 6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) > CD-RW/DVD-ROM > XP Professional > 40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) > > My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so she > does not need a high-end laptop. > > An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after > rebates ($720 with XP home). > > What do you all think about this laptop? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 10:37:56 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:37:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B383@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9D@ADGSERVER> That is my understanding. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... Seems pretty well decked out to me, built in wireless networking too. The Thinkpad is a well made system - that is what used to be the IBM systems eh?? From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Feb 15 10:40:24 2006 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8480B@ALCUXB> I guess so. I think I might leave it for a couple of days at home, run Giant, see what it picks up (usually nothing), uninstall it, install Defender and run it, to see what the difference is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 15 February 2006 15:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Got it. Installed it. Ran it. Came up with...nothing! Am I living right, or what? Rocky Jon Tydda wrote: > ooh, ooh, Microsoft have released Windows Defender Beta 2! > > As a test, I've just run it on a pc here, along with Spybot 1.4, Ad-Aware > personal 1.6 and Panda Active Scan. > > Panda picked up 21 objects that it considered spyware. > Spybot picked up 14. > Ad-Aware picked up 11. > Defender picked up 2. > > According to the scan logs, Panda's spyware objects were all cookies, the > same as Ad-Aware's were. Spybot had some cookies, and the fact that there is > no antivirus software installed on the pc in question (yes, I know, but it's > not on our network, and the people who supplied it stated emphatically that > it didn't need AV, and so far they're right, which is rather galling). > Defender discovered Tight VNC and RAdmin, both remote control software that > was installed by me. > > It does have some useful looking tools, such as the ability to explore the > startup programs, and is a bit better organised that the old version of > MSAS, or Giant. They recommend that you uninstall Giant now (where they > didn't before) and upgrade to this new product. > > Apologies for the cross post, but I think people on both lists will find > this useful. > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 15 10:41:37 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:41:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <43F359C1.2040600@san.rr.com> My only reservation would be reliability and servicing turnaround. Don't know Lenovo. Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > Lenovo Thinkpad R51e > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 > 2001957.html > > I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across this > yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. > > Quick specs: > 15" XGA TFTF screen > Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) > 512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) > 533MHz FSB > 6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) > CD-RW/DVD-ROM > XP Professional > 40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) > > My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so she > does not need a high-end laptop. > > An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after > rebates ($720 with XP home). > > What do you all think about this laptop? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Feb 15 11:03:40 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> <43F359C1.2040600@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F35EEC.2040804@shaw.ca> Lenovo is a Chinese firm that bought out IBM's PC manufacturing business. In some sort of licensing and partnership arrangement. Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >My only reservation would be reliability and servicing turnaround. >Don't know Lenovo. > >Rocky > > >Bobby Heid wrote: > > >>Lenovo Thinkpad R51e >> >>http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 >>2001957.html >> >>I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across this >>yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. >> >>Quick specs: >>15" XGA TFTF screen >>Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) >>512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) >>533MHz FSB >>6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) >>CD-RW/DVD-ROM >>XP Professional >>40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) >> >>My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so she >>does not need a high-end laptop. >> >>An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after >>rebates ($720 with XP home). >> >>What do you all think about this laptop? >> >>Thanks, >>Bobby >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 11:18:35 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B394@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9E@ADGSERVER> IIRC, Lenovo was IBM before the PC section was bought by the Chinese. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... My only reservation would be reliability and servicing turnaround. Don't know Lenovo. Rocky Bobby Heid wrote: > Lenovo Thinkpad R51e > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 > 2001957.html > > I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across this > yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. > > Quick specs: > 15" XGA TFTF screen > Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) > 512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) > 533MHz FSB > 6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) > CD-RW/DVD-ROM > XP Professional > 40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) > > My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so she > does not need a high-end laptop. > > An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after > rebates ($720 with XP home). > > What do you all think about this laptop? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 11:19:52 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:19:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Windows Defender In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B393@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9F@ADGSERVER> It's my understanding that MS bought Giant and that Defender is based upon Giant. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Importance: Low I guess so. I think I might leave it for a couple of days at home, run Giant, see what it picks up (usually nothing), uninstall it, install Defender and run it, to see what the difference is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 15 February 2006 15:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Got it. Installed it. Ran it. Came up with...nothing! Am I living right, or what? Rocky Jon Tydda wrote: > ooh, ooh, Microsoft have released Windows Defender Beta 2! > > As a test, I've just run it on a pc here, along with Spybot 1.4, Ad-Aware > personal 1.6 and Panda Active Scan. > > Panda picked up 21 objects that it considered spyware. > Spybot picked up 14. > Ad-Aware picked up 11. > Defender picked up 2. > > According to the scan logs, Panda's spyware objects were all cookies, the > same as Ad-Aware's were. Spybot had some cookies, and the fact that there is > no antivirus software installed on the pc in question (yes, I know, but it's > not on our network, and the people who supplied it stated emphatically that > it didn't need AV, and so far they're right, which is rather galling). > Defender discovered Tight VNC and RAdmin, both remote control software that > was installed by me. > > It does have some useful looking tools, such as the ability to explore the > startup programs, and is a bit better organised that the old version of > MSAS, or Giant. They recommend that you uninstall Giant now (where they > didn't before) and upgrade to this new product. > > Apologies for the cross post, but I think people on both lists will find > this useful. > > > Jon > -- Rocky Smolin From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Feb 15 11:23:25 2006 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:23:25 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Windows Defender Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8480E@ALCUXB> Yeah, that's right. They bought Giant the day after I bought my subscription, then offered it free to everyone... I was most upset about that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 15 February 2006 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Windows Defender It's my understanding that MS bought Giant and that Defender is based upon Giant. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Importance: Low I guess so. I think I might leave it for a couple of days at home, run Giant, see what it picks up (usually nothing), uninstall it, install Defender and run it, to see what the difference is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 15 February 2006 15:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Defender Got it. Installed it. Ran it. Came up with...nothing! Am I living right, or what? Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 11:27:14 2006 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:27:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9E@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B394@ADGSERVER> <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9E@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: See the IBM Lenovo FAQ at http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/customerqa.html Including Question #1 - What did IBM Announce? ----------------------------------------------- We announced an agreement with Lenovo that creates a powerful new leader in the PC industry. Lenovo will acquire IBM's Personal Computing Division and create a new company that will bring the strengths of IBM's legendary PC business together with those of Lenovo, that will employ 19,000 people and provide the widest range of PC products and technologies to businesses, worldwide. The agreement includes a broad-based, strategic marketing alliance under which Lenovo will receive sales and marketing support from IBM, and Lenovo's products will be integrated into IBM Global Services offerings. Important for all customers of IBM to know: IBM will provide warranty service and support and financing and leasing options for PC products from the new Lenovo. IBM will take an ownership stake of 18.9 percent in Lenovo, and it will purchase PCs for its own employees from Lenovo as well. With this agreement, Lenovo becomes the world's third-largest PC company and a key, strategic IBM business partner. Lenovo will have all of the strengths of IBM's existing PC division, including research, development, design, and manufacturing capabilities. ---------------------------- On 2/15/06, Bobby Heid wrote: > IIRC, Lenovo was IBM before the PC section was bought by the Chinese. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:42 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... > > > My only reservation would be reliability and servicing turnaround. > Don't know Lenovo. > > Rocky > > > Bobby Heid wrote: > > Lenovo Thinkpad R51e > > > > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_Thinkpad_R51E_1_73GHz_512MB_40GB/q/loc/101/20 > > 2001957.html > > > > I need to get my daughter a laptop for graduation (HS). I came across > this > > yesterday. It is $699 after $75 rebate. > > > > Quick specs: > > 15" XGA TFTF screen > > Intel Pentium M 740 (1.73GHz) > > 512MB RAM (2GB max, 1 free slot) > > 533MHz FSB > > 6-Cell battery (approx 3.5 hour run time) > > CD-RW/DVD-ROM > > XP Professional > > 40GB HD (I think I saw somewhere is was 4200rpm, but I don't see it here) > > > > My daughter will be taking elementary education in college next year, so > she > > does not need a high-end laptop. > > > > An equivalently configured Dell Inspiron B130 will run about $870 after > > rebates ($720 with XP home). > > > > What do you all think about this laptop? > > > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 11:55:45 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:55:45 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F2202A.3050905@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <008901c63259$0c3b0330$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Rocky, Which version of Norton? Lately each version of NAV (which is bundles in SystemWorks) has included different functionality. With NAV 2006 they sneek in a XP firewall replacement called "Worm Protection" I'm not sure but I think it is a limited firewall as it protects from incoming only (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). They also sell Norton Internet Security Suite with the full firewall. Also, IIRC you have Firefox 1.5? There may be settings in there but I do not know. I haven't upgraded to it yet. (Man! You are are the bleeding edge now ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of attachment types to include or exclude. I'm using Systemworks 2005. TIA Rocky -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 12:06:18 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:06:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602140904h46bdb112h385c294fc0fbf028@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008a01c6325a$85c2a810$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Fun stuff, isn't it? :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Erwin, Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by "at windows level." When I run Ghost from Windows, I tell it which drive to ghost and then it reboots the PC into DOS to actually perform the ghosting. I have run into an issue on my workstation after Ghosting where upon re-starting Windows XP Pro goes to a blue screen with a system halt message. Sometimes rebooting multiple times doesn't work so that I have to put in my old version of SysInternals ERD Commander to get Windows to get its undies unbundled. It's a mystery to me. From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 12:06:18 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:06:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP repair on a Ghosted drive In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B6382@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <008b01c6325a$864370d0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Erwin, They both can work with dynamic disk but there are limitations. With Partition Magic the OS has to be installed on a basic disk. With Ghost there are limitations with the boot partition being installed on a dynamic disk. John B. From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 12:11:19 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:11:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F9A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <008f01c6325b$38871f30$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I was just checking that out for my wife. (I usually buy Sony laptops for home users that will spend a little extra. They always have great screens and multi-media capabilities.) I think if its as reliable as the ThinkPad's used to be it's a good deal. I don't know if they are. What surprises me is that you'd never have seen a ThinkPad at that price range (maybe a refurb - which would've still been a good deal). I know that's not much help but I'm still thinking on it... From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 15 12:19:19 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:19:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <008901c63259$0c3b0330$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <008901c63259$0c3b0330$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <43F370A7.30107@san.rr.com> John: Norton is 2005 Version 8.02 Build 6. Firefox is 1.0.7 but Thunderbird is 1.5. Rocky John Bartow wrote: > Rocky, > Which version of Norton? Lately each version of NAV (which is bundles in > SystemWorks) has included different functionality. With NAV 2006 they sneek > in a XP firewall replacement called "Worm Protection" I'm not sure but I > think it is a limited firewall as it protects from incoming only (someone > please correct me if I'm wrong on that). They also sell Norton Internet > Security Suite with the full firewall. > > Also, IIRC you have Firefox 1.5? There may be settings in there but I do not > know. I haven't upgraded to it yet. > (Man! You are are the bleeding edge now ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > > Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to emails > that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of attachment types > to include or exclude. > > I'm using Systemworks 2005. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 13:01:59 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:01:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B3F1@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA3@ADGSERVER> I am leaning towards getting it. I have found conflicting info on the HD, one place says 5400rpm, the other says 4200rpm. I believe it is a 5400rmp drive. If I do get it, we'll see how fast it is. If it seems too slow, I might swap out the HD for a faster one and Ghost the original. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... I was just checking that out for my wife. (I usually buy Sony laptops for home users that will spend a little extra. They always have great screens and multi-media capabilities.) I think if its as reliable as the ThinkPad's used to be it's a good deal. I don't know if they are. What surprises me is that you'd never have seen a ThinkPad at that price range (maybe a refurb - which would've still been a good deal). I know that's not much help but I'm still thinking on it... From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 14:10:07 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:10:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F370A7.30107@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <00b201c6326b$d1235140$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Oh, sorry I meant TB not Firefox. I'm just the opposite - I have TB 1.0.7 and FF 1.5 I have NAV 2005 on one of my machines as part of NIS and I don't see a specific place in NAV where it blocks specific attachments - just let you set whether it scans them or not. I would suggest testing to see if it is NAV by turning that feature off and sending an mdb attachment back and forth to someone. Instructions to turn off email scanning Exit any email programs that are running. Start Norton System Works. Click Options. If you see a menu, click Norton Antivirus. In the left pane, click Email. In the right pane, uncheck Scan incoming Email and Scan outgoing Email (or both). (Reverse this step to turn it back on) Click OK. Then in the Protection Alert dialog box, on the drop-down menu, click Permanently, and then click OK. Exit Norton Antivirus. If you still can't get the attachment through I would suggest following these instructions: (since you used to use OE) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291387/EN-US HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs John: Norton is 2005 Version 8.02 Build 6. Firefox is 1.0.7 but Thunderbird is 1.5. Rocky John Bartow wrote: > Rocky, > Which version of Norton? Lately each version of NAV (which is bundles > in > SystemWorks) has included different functionality. With NAV 2006 they > sneek in a XP firewall replacement called "Worm Protection" I'm not > sure but I think it is a limited firewall as it protects from incoming > only (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). They also sell > Norton Internet Security Suite with the full firewall. > > Also, IIRC you have Firefox 1.5? There may be settings in there but I > do not know. I haven't upgraded to it yet. > (Man! You are are the bleeding edge now ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Strip mdbs > > Does anyone know how to get Norton to quit stripping mdbs attached to > emails that my clients are sending me? I can't find any list of > attachment types to include or exclude. > > I'm using Systemworks 2005. > > > TIA > > Rocky > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 14:25:30 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:25:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA3@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <00b601c6326d$f79d67f0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Just don't convert it to a dynamic disk! ;o) If you get it let us know what you think of it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... I am leaning towards getting it. I have found conflicting info on the HD, one place says 5400rpm, the other says 4200rpm. I believe it is a 5400rmp drive. If I do get it, we'll see how fast it is. If it seems too slow, I might swap out the HD for a faster one and Ghost the original. Bobby From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Feb 15 14:52:24 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:52:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B444@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA8@ADGSERVER> I will, only thing is, after I set it up, it won't be used until May when my daughter graduates HS. Also, I meant to say I believe it is a 4200pm drive, ughhh. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... Just don't convert it to a dynamic disk! ;o) If you get it let us know what you think of it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... I am leaning towards getting it. I have found conflicting info on the HD, one place says 5400rpm, the other says 4200rpm. I believe it is a 5400rmp drive. If I do get it, we'll see how fast it is. If it seems too slow, I might swap out the HD for a faster one and Ghost the original. Bobby From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 15 15:06:37 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:06:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA8@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <00bd01c63273$b5f7c6a0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> You just have to use when she isn't around :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid I will, only thing is, after I set it up, it won't be used until May when my daughter graduates HS. Also, I meant to say I believe it is a 4200pm drive, ughhh. Bobby From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 17:59:30 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:59:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec Internet Security Suite? Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Steve: > > I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet > security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > Rocky, > > > > I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the > > attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use > > ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you > > define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the > > Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the > > attachments. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > > > > > On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > > >> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from > >> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options > >> in Norton. > >> > >> Rocky From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 15 18:21:33 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:21:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. Rocky Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec Internet > Security Suite? > > Steve Erbach > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> Steve: >> >> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet >> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Steve Erbach wrote: >> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you >>> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the >>> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the >>> attachments. >>> >>> Steve Erbach >>> Neenah, WI >>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >>>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >>>> in Norton. >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 16 06:09:38 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:09:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B452@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA9@ADGSERVER> I came across a Dell Inspiron 6000 deal last night and went with it. This is what I got: Pentium M 735 (1.7GHz) 512MB RAM (free upgrade from 256)) XP Media Center Edition 2005 DVD writer - Dual layer (free upgrade) 1 Firewire port 4 USB 2.0 ports An SD (and another type) card reader 15.4" widescreen (1280 X 800) Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal 6-cell battery 1 year mail-in warranty Before tax - $954 - $200MIR = $754. Not too bad a deal, I don't think. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... I will, only thing is, after I set it up, it won't be used until May when my daughter graduates HS. Also, I meant to say I believe it is a 4200pm drive, ughhh. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... Just don't convert it to a dynamic disk! ;o) If you get it let us know what you think of it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... I am leaning towards getting it. I have found conflicting info on the HD, one place says 5400rpm, the other says 4200rpm. I believe it is a 5400rmp drive. If I do get it, we'll see how fast it is. If it seems too slow, I might swap out the HD for a faster one and Ghost the original. Bobby From erbachs at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 08:43:05 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:43:05 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602160643k3bdf3f02g4d0ccf55c756cb69@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, I think they're making a decent amount of money with large company anti-virus subscriptions and from individuals re-subscribing every year...at least, those who don't know where to get a deal like yours. The old give-away-the-razors-and-sell-the-blades lick. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/15/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some > reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest > thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. > Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > Rocky, > > > > So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec Internet > > Security Suite? > > > > Steve Erbach > > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > > > On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > > >> Steve: > >> > >> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet > >> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> > >> Steve Erbach wrote: > >> > >>> Rocky, > >>> > >>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the > >>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use > >>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you > >>> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the > >>> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the > >>> attachments. > >>> > >>> Steve Erbach > >>> Neenah, WI > >>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from > >>>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options > >>>> in Norton. > >>>> > >>>> Rocky > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Feb 16 09:59:30 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:59:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602160643k3bdf3f02g4d0ccf55c756cb69@mail.gmail.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602160643k3bdf3f02g4d0ccf55c756cb69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> They're under some competitive pressure aren't they? Stock is about 1/2 what it was year and a half ago and still selling at 89 times earnings (!). Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? Rocky Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > I think they're making a decent amount of money with large company > anti-virus subscriptions and from individuals re-subscribing every > year...at least, those who don't know where to get a deal like yours. > > The old give-away-the-razors-and-sell-the-blades lick. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > On 2/15/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some >> reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest >> thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. >> Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Steve Erbach wrote: >> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec Internet >>> Security Suite? >>> >>> Steve Erbach >>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>> >>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Steve: >>>> >>>> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet >>>> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rocky, >>>>> >>>>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >>>>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >>>>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you >>>>> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the >>>>> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the >>>>> attachments. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Erbach >>>>> Neenah, WI >>>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >>>>>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >>>>>> in Norton. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rocky >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 10:14:28 2006 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:14:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602160643k3bdf3f02g4d0ccf55c756cb69@mail.gmail.com> <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F4A4E4.3040705@earthlink.net> >Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? AVG. With Norton I had a virus every month or two. And there was the intolerable clunkiness of the Norton software, ugh. With AVG, nary a virus in more than a year, and no collateral damage either. PB ----- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > They're under some competitive pressure aren't they? Stock is about 1/2 > what it was year and a half ago and still selling at 89 times earnings > (!). > > Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Rocky, >> >> I think they're making a decent amount of money with large company >> anti-virus subscriptions and from individuals re-subscribing every >> year...at least, those who don't know where to get a deal like yours. >> >> The old give-away-the-razors-and-sell-the-blades lick. >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >> >> On 2/15/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >> >> >>> No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some >>> reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest >>> thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. >>> Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec Internet >>>> Security Suite? >>>> >>>> Steve Erbach >>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Steve: >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet >>>>> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rocky, >>>>>> >>>>>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >>>>>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >>>>>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types you >>>>>> define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that is, the >>>>>> Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's deleting the >>>>>> attachments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Erbach >>>>>> Neenah, WI >>>>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month from >>>>>>> clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment filter options >>>>>>> in Norton. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rocky >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Rocky Smolin >>> Beach Access Software >>> 858-259-4334 >>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Feb 16 10:23:47 2006 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:23:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs Message-ID: I use AVG too. Norton was just a royal pain in the a**. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Peter Brawley > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:14 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs > > >Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? > > AVG. With Norton I had a virus every month or two. And there was the > intolerable clunkiness of the Norton software, ugh. With AVG, nary a > virus in more than a year, and no collateral damage either. > > From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 10:26:02 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:26:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34F82@ADGSERVER> <43F242A3.90709@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602141624l196daf2fqc35c9bc2a6086080@mail.gmail.com> <43F27F6A.8010300@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602151559p51bc2f3td4fe5ec76425d0a7@mail.gmail.com> <43F3C58D.5040008@san.rr.com> <39cb22f30602160643k3bdf3f02g4d0ccf55c756cb69@mail.gmail.com> <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On 16/02/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > They're under some competitive pressure aren't they? Stock is about 1/2 > what it was year and a half ago and still selling at 89 times earnings > (!). > > Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? Never used Norton (nor will I by choice) but I currently us eTrust Antivirus from Cumputer Associates. The company I work for is giving it to us to use at home. So I dumped McAfee for it, and I actually like it much better. If I didn't have access to it, I'd be using AVG now. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 16 11:28:46 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:28:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F4A162.9050803@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <00da01c6331e$71ad3510$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Rocky, I quit using Norton (on my main machine) when Norton's 2005 turned out to be such a pain. I have a lot of clients using it (not by my recommendation-they upgraded without asking me) so I still have it on a secondary machine just to keep tabs on it. Up until 2005 I used to recommend Norton Internet Security for SOHOs. I have moved my main machine (and many clients) to Computer Associates EZ Internet Security (which is the home version of its corporate security products. The suite includes eTrust antivirus, PestPatrol (one of the best anti-spywares), Qurb (anti-spam works very good but not with TB yet) and CA's branded ZoneAlarm firewall. You can pick this up with rebates for $0 right now, along with a nice little kit of cable adapters: http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpN o=1389168&CatId=984 I never pushed Norton's corporate edition for business clients. When I could, I've used CA eTrust for small businesses with networks. Most of my small business clients have been using eTrust AV for a couple of years now. No problems. I also have the benefit of working in area where SBC is offering a free security suite for customers that includes CA's AV. So most of my work is now with CA's products. I joined their "partner program" but really get no benefit from it. Some phone calls andmailings that just annoy me and a real contact if something goes wrong - but I've never had to use it. So I am really not jaded by it. If they do a "Norton" on me I'd drop it like I did Norton (and McAfee before them). Like McAfee a decade ago, I have abandoned Norton for another company that seems to put customers first. If your Norton is stable and your subscription isn't in need of renewal you may want to wait a month before buying CA EZ as they have released a new version which integrates the product's interfaces. But of course you'll pay for that version too (I think this is the very reason for the nice rebates). I use AVG personal edition when the license agreement allows for it. Just because I refuse to rip off software from anyone. (Once you've had your own stolen it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth!) You can use it on anything but the license says only for "personal home use" not non-profit, schools or business use. You can purchase AVG for that purpose though I have never known anyone that actually paid for it. Top notch product. If you're one that likes to use separate products for separate purposes it is one to consider. I don't know about their suite bundles though as its not all their products anyway. The same for Antivir. I don't care for Panda's products - they do work though. The local cable co. is offering a free security suite for their customers and it includes F-Secure's products. Although it works properly it is a pig and really slows down the machines. I have replaced it with AVG where applicable. I don't use McAfee any more and am almost Mcafee free with my client base now. I like Trend Micros AV product but not there anti-spy. So, if it isn't evident from above I recommend CA's security products. I really like CounterSpy for antispyware. As I do Spysweeper. If you decide to go with something besides CA's suite - I would recommend one of these for antispyware along with it. No other AV company has a decent antispyware product yet (certainly not Norton's ant-spyware!). And to be honest CA just bought up one of the top antispyware products PestPatrol which I guess has now been proven as a better way to accomplish the goal than trying to build their own ;o) HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs They're under some competitive pressure aren't they? Stock is about 1/2 what it was year and a half ago and still selling at 89 times earnings (!). Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? Rocky Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > I think they're making a decent amount of money with large company > anti-virus subscriptions and from individuals re-subscribing every > year...at least, those who don't know where to get a deal like yours. > > The old give-away-the-razors-and-sell-the-blades lick. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > On 2/15/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > >> No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some >> reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest >> thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. >> Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> Steve Erbach wrote: >> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec >>> Internet Security Suite? >>> >>> Steve Erbach >>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>> >>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Steve: >>>> >>>> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet >>>> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need that. >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rocky, >>>>> >>>>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >>>>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >>>>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types >>>>> you define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that >>>>> is, the Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's >>>>> deleting the attachments. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Erbach >>>>> Neenah, WI >>>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month >>>>>> from clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment >>>>>> filter options in Norton. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rocky >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Feb 16 11:46:56 2006 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:46:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <00da01c6331e$71ad3510$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <00da01c6331e$71ad3510$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <43F4BA90.2070806@san.rr.com> John: Thanks for the recommendations. Have you looked at the new Microsoft anti-spyware product? Rocky John Bartow wrote: > Rocky, > I quit using Norton (on my main machine) when Norton's 2005 turned out to be > such a pain. I have a lot of clients using it (not by my recommendation-they > upgraded without asking me) so I still have it on a secondary machine just > to keep tabs on it. Up until 2005 I used to recommend Norton Internet > Security for SOHOs. > > I have moved my main machine (and many clients) to Computer Associates EZ > Internet Security (which is the home version of its corporate security > products. The suite includes eTrust antivirus, PestPatrol (one of the best > anti-spywares), Qurb (anti-spam works very good but not with TB yet) and > CA's branded ZoneAlarm firewall. You can pick this up with rebates for $0 > right now, along with a nice little kit of cable adapters: > http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpN > o=1389168&CatId=984 > > I never pushed Norton's corporate edition for business clients. When I > could, I've used CA eTrust for small businesses with networks. Most of my > small business clients have been using eTrust AV for a couple of years now. > No problems. > > I also have the benefit of working in area where SBC is offering a free > security suite for customers that includes CA's AV. So most of my work is > now with CA's products. I joined their "partner program" but really get no > benefit from it. Some phone calls andmailings that just annoy me and a real > contact if something goes wrong - but I've never had to use it. So I am > really not jaded by it. If they do a "Norton" on me I'd drop it like I did > Norton (and McAfee before them). > > Like McAfee a decade ago, I have abandoned Norton for another company that > seems to put customers first. If your Norton is stable and your subscription > isn't in need of renewal you may want to wait a month before buying CA EZ as > they have released a new version which integrates the product's interfaces. > But of course you'll pay for that version too (I think this is the very > reason for the nice rebates). > > I use AVG personal edition when the license agreement allows for it. Just > because I refuse to rip off software from anyone. (Once you've had your own > stolen it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth!) You can use it on anything > but the license says only for "personal home use" not non-profit, schools or > business use. You can purchase AVG for that purpose though I have never > known anyone that actually paid for it. Top notch product. If you're one > that likes to use separate products for separate purposes it is one to > consider. I don't know about their suite bundles though as its not all their > products anyway. > > The same for Antivir. > > I don't care for Panda's products - they do work though. > > The local cable co. is offering a free security suite for their customers > and it includes F-Secure's products. Although it works properly it is a pig > and really slows down the machines. I have replaced it with AVG where > applicable. > > I don't use McAfee any more and am almost Mcafee free with my client base > now. > > I like Trend Micros AV product but not there anti-spy. > > So, if it isn't evident from above I recommend CA's security products. > > I really like CounterSpy for antispyware. As I do Spysweeper. If you decide > to go with something besides CA's suite - I would recommend one of these for > antispyware along with it. No other AV company has a decent antispyware > product yet (certainly not Norton's ant-spyware!). And to be honest CA just > bought up one of the top antispyware products PestPatrol which I guess has > now been proven as a better way to accomplish the goal than trying to build > their own ;o) > > HTH > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs > > They're under some competitive pressure aren't they? Stock is about 1/2 > what it was year and a half ago and still selling at 89 times earnings (!). > > Has anyone abandoned Norton for something better? > > Rocky > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Rocky, >> >> I think they're making a decent amount of money with large company >> anti-virus subscriptions and from individuals re-subscribing every >> year...at least, those who don't know where to get a deal like yours. >> >> The old give-away-the-razors-and-sell-the-blades lick. >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >> >> On 2/15/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >> > wrote: > >> >> >>> No security suite. Systemworks. I get it free every year. For some >>> reason Fry's has rebates on it equaling the purchase price. Oddest >>> thing. Then, if I have to re-install it, it starts my year over again. >>> Odder thing. I can't see how these guys are making any money. >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> So you bought just Norton Anti-Virus, not the Norton/Symantec >>>> Internet Security Suite? >>>> >>>> Steve Erbach >>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>> > wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Steve: >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Sygate Personal for a firewall. I don't see an Internet >>>>> security option in Norton. I have email protection running but I need >>>>> > that. > >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steve Erbach wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rocky, >>>>>> >>>>>> I read the message you quoted regarding the deletion of the >>>>>> attachment. That sounds to me more like a firewall issue. I use >>>>>> ZoneAlarm and it has an option for quarantining attachment types >>>>>> you define. Do you have the Norton Internet Security option; that >>>>>> is, the Norton firewall active? Maybe that's the culprit that's >>>>>> deleting the attachments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Erbach >>>>>> Neenah, WI >>>>>> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/14/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a fairly common problem. I hear this once or twice a month >>>>>>> from clients I send stuff to. But I can't find any attachment >>>>>>> filter options in Norton. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rocky >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Rocky Smolin >>> Beach Access Software >>> 858-259-4334 >>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 12:02:52 2006 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:02:52 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA9@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B452@ADGSERVER> <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FA9@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Hi Bobby, I have two Dell Inspiron 6000's - bought one for my wife about a year ago and bought one for myself last fall. We both just LOVE them. Fabulous screens on them. Works nicely as a DVD player with that wide screen although you need to pipe the sound through external speakers in order to be able to hear it from any distance more than a couple feet away. I'm somewhat curious as to why you were so hot to buy right now since you won't be giving it to your daughter for a couple months yet?? Not that you would do a whole lot better than the deal you got on this one. Just get your tax return or something?? ;-) One thing we added for both mine in my wifes systems is a wireless mouse. Touch pads just are not good to use for lots of real work. Not that there is anything wrong with the ones on the 6000. I bought Logitech Mini Cordless Optical mice for both of us "for Christmas" and we just love them. They were $29.99 at Best Buy http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7221035&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat23200050024&id=1114639138906 I am curious as to what the Media Center edition of Windows gets you. I thought that was something that would be used on a Media Center PC in a Home Theater environment. I have heard of other people getting it on their laptops too though and am wondering what I am missing out on by having XP Pro on mine. Hope your daughter enjoys her new system! Gary On 2/16/06, Bobby Heid wrote: > I came across a Dell Inspiron 6000 deal last night and went with it. > > This is what I got: > > Pentium M 735 (1.7GHz) > 512MB RAM (free upgrade from 256)) > XP Media Center Edition 2005 > DVD writer - Dual layer (free upgrade) > 1 Firewire port > 4 USB 2.0 ports > An SD (and another type) card reader > 15.4" widescreen (1280 X 800) > Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal > 6-cell battery > 1 year mail-in warranty > > Before tax - $954 - $200MIR = $754. > > Not too bad a deal, I don't think. > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... > > > I will, only thing is, after I set it up, it won't be used until May when my > daughter graduates HS. > > Also, I meant to say I believe it is a 4200pm drive, ughhh. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:26 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... > > > Just don't convert it to a dynamic disk! ;o) > > If you get it let us know what you think of it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... > > I am leaning towards getting it. I have found conflicting info on the HD, > one place says 5400rpm, the other says 4200rpm. I believe it is a 5400rmp > drive. If I do get it, we'll see how fast it is. If it seems too slow, I > might swap out the HD for a faster one and Ghost the original. > > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 16 12:55:26 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:55:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D4B617@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FB3@ADGSERVER> Gary, I helped another person get a higher-end 6000 a few months ago and they love it. I liked it too. I have just been watching for deals on lower end lap tops. She graduates in a little over 2 months. I want to have it set up network/software/hardware wise before I give it to her so that she can use it immediately upon receipt. I felt this was a good deal, so I jumped. The only choices on this model that were available to me were XP Media Center and XP Pro (for an extra $150). The 6000 now has multimedia controls on the front near the touch pad for playing multimedia stuff. I really do not know what else that MC has, but she did not need Pro, so I went with MC. I had planned on getting her a cordless mouse. I have already purchased a laser printer for her. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What do you all think about this laptop... Hi Bobby, I have two Dell Inspiron 6000's - bought one for my wife about a year ago and bought one for myself last fall. We both just LOVE them. Fabulous screens on them. Works nicely as a DVD player with that wide screen although you need to pipe the sound through external speakers in order to be able to hear it from any distance more than a couple feet away. I'm somewhat curious as to why you were so hot to buy right now since you won't be giving it to your daughter for a couple months yet?? Not that you would do a whole lot better than the deal you got on this one. Just get your tax return or something?? ;-) One thing we added for both mine in my wifes systems is a wireless mouse. Touch pads just are not good to use for lots of real work. Not that there is anything wrong with the ones on the 6000. I bought Logitech Mini Cordless Optical mice for both of us "for Christmas" and we just love them. They were $29.99 at Best Buy http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7221035&type=product&productCa tegoryId=pcmcat23200050024&id=1114639138906 I am curious as to what the Media Center edition of Windows gets you. I thought that was something that would be used on a Media Center PC in a Home Theater environment. I have heard of other people getting it on their laptops too though and am wondering what I am missing out on by having XP Pro on mine. Hope your daughter enjoys her new system! Gary On 2/16/06, Bobby Heid wrote: > I came across a Dell Inspiron 6000 deal last night and went with it. > > This is what I got: > > Pentium M 735 (1.7GHz) > 512MB RAM (free upgrade from 256)) > XP Media Center Edition 2005 > DVD writer - Dual layer (free upgrade) > 1 Firewire port > 4 USB 2.0 ports > An SD (and another type) card reader > 15.4" widescreen (1280 X 800) > Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal > 6-cell battery > 1 year mail-in warranty > > Before tax - $954 - $200MIR = $754. > > Not too bad a deal, I don't think. > > Bobby > > From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 08:23:38 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:23:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: Norton Strip mdbs In-Reply-To: <43F4BA90.2070806@san.rr.com> References: <00da01c6331e$71ad3510$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <43F4BA90.2070806@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602170623q7846e6d1g6d2dd5706b1ac7ed@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, You probably know that Microsofts' Antispyware product was purchased from Giant software. I remember that I tried it out while it was still owned by Giant and it caused odd behavior, so I uninstalled. But when Microsoft bought it and offered the free beta, I installed it and haven't had a problem. I found out about Giant from reading a thorough review of a couple dozen ASW programs. Giant performed the best in the review, but it was impressed upon me that no single ASW program catches everything. Matter of fact, according to the review, no combination of THREE ASW programs catches everything. http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm Steve Erbach On 2/16/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > John: > > Thanks for the recommendations. Have you looked at the new Microsoft > anti-spyware product? > > Rocky > > > John Bartow wrote: > > Rocky, > > I quit using Norton (on my main machine) when Norton's 2005 turned out to be > > such a pain. I have a lot of clients using it (not by my recommendation-they > > upgraded without asking me) so I still have it on a secondary machine just > > to keep tabs on it. Up until 2005 I used to recommend Norton Internet > > Security for SOHOs. > > > > I have moved my main machine (and many clients) to Computer Associates EZ > > Internet Security (which is the home version of its corporate security > > products. The suite includes eTrust antivirus, PestPatrol (one of the best > > anti-spywares), Qurb (anti-spam works very good but not with TB yet) and > > CA's branded ZoneAlarm firewall. You can pick this up with rebates for $0 > > right now, along with a nice little kit of cable adapters: > > http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpN > > o=1389168&CatId=984 > > > > I never pushed Norton's corporate edition for business clients. When I > > could, I've used CA eTrust for small businesses with networks. Most of my > > small business clients have been using eTrust AV for a couple of years now. > > No problems. > > > > I also have the benefit of working in area where SBC is offering a free > > security suite for customers that includes CA's AV. So most of my work is > > now with CA's products. I joined their "partner program" but really get no > > benefit from it. Some phone calls andmailings that just annoy me and a real > > contact if something goes wrong - but I've never had to use it. So I am > > really not jaded by it. If they do a "Norton" on me I'd drop it like I did > > Norton (and McAfee before them). > > > > Like McAfee a decade ago, I have abandoned Norton for another company that > > seems to put customers first. If your Norton is stable and your subscription > > isn't in need of renewal you may want to wait a month before buying CA EZ as > > they have released a new version which integrates the product's interfaces. > > But of course you'll pay for that version too (I think this is the very > > reason for the nice rebates). > > > > I use AVG personal edition when the license agreement allows for it. Just > > because I refuse to rip off software from anyone. (Once you've had your own > > stolen it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth!) You can use it on anything > > but the license says only for "personal home use" not non-profit, schools or > > business use. You can purchase AVG for that purpose though I have never > > known anyone that actually paid for it. Top notch product. If you're one > > that likes to use separate products for separate purposes it is one to > > consider. I don't know about their suite bundles though as its not all their > > products anyway. > > > > The same for Antivir. > > > > I don't care for Panda's products - they do work though. > > > > The local cable co. is offering a free security suite for their customers > > and it includes F-Secure's products. Although it works properly it is a pig > > and really slows down the machines. I have replaced it with AVG where > > applicable. > > > > I don't use McAfee any more and am almost Mcafee free with my client base > > now. > > > > I like Trend Micros AV product but not there anti-spy. > > > > So, if it isn't evident from above I recommend CA's security products. > > > > I really like CounterSpy for antispyware. As I do Spysweeper. If you decide > > to go with something besides CA's suite - I would recommend one of these for > > antispyware along with it. No other AV company has a decent antispyware > > product yet (certainly not Norton's ant-spyware!). And to be honest CA just > > bought up one of the top antispyware products PestPatrol which I guess has > > now been proven as a better way to accomplish the goal than trying to build > > their own ;o) > > > > HTH > > John B. From artful at rogers.com Sun Feb 19 18:19:30 2006 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:19:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602170623q7846e6d1g6d2dd5706b1ac7ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c635b3$5148c720$8e01a8c0@rock> I may have mentioned previously that I have been an avid backgammon player. My board is hand-made from mahogany and leather, all inlaid and very luxurious. My checkers are marbleized plastic, ivory and brown, measuring 1 3/8" in diameter and 1/2" thick. I lost a checker a while back. I want to buy a new set of checkers, ideally in the same colours, and they _must_ be of the exact same dimensions. (Only a serious backgammon player might appreciate how crucial it is that the checkers be sized correctly for the board: this is a very tactile game!). No store in Toronto sells sets of checkers alone. I have Googled and come up with a few sites, but they want to sell me blue and white checkers, which would ruin the whole look of the board. I am hoping that some lister here knows of a game store in his/her neighbourhood where such things might be obtained. If so, I would love you to purchase a set of checkers, and send them to me. I will respond immediately with PayPal or whatever works for you. TIA, Arthur From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 18:55:43 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:55:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <001701c635b3$5148c720$8e01a8c0@rock> References: <39cb22f30602170623q7846e6d1g6d2dd5706b1ac7ed@mail.gmail.com> <001701c635b3$5148c720$8e01a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602191655r4459210ewab43cfa49ae2c6c3@mail.gmail.com> Arthur, How about: http://tinyurl.com/qkzlb http://tinyurl.com/noo9g Not sure about the thickness. Both are Ebay auctions. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/19/06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I may have mentioned previously that I have been an avid backgammon player. > My board is hand-made from mahogany and leather, all inlaid and very > luxurious. My checkers are marbleized plastic, ivory and brown, measuring 1 > 3/8" in diameter and 1/2" thick. I lost a checker a while back. > I want to buy a new set of checkers, ideally in the same colours, and they > _must_ be of the exact same dimensions. (Only a serious backgammon player > might appreciate how crucial it is that the checkers be sized correctly for > the board: this is a very tactile game!). > No store in Toronto sells sets of checkers alone. I have Googled and come up > with a few sites, but they want to sell me blue and white checkers, which > would ruin the whole look of the board. > I am hoping that some lister here knows of a game store in his/her > neighbourhood where such things might be obtained. If so, I would love you > to purchase a set of checkers, and send them to me. I will respond > immediately with PayPal or whatever works for you. > TIA, > Arthur > From artful at rogers.com Sun Feb 19 20:18:55 2006 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:18:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602191655r4459210ewab43cfa49ae2c6c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c635c4$00d50360$8e01a8c0@rock> Neither fit my particular bill, but thanks anyway. My board blows the doors off these. Mahogany with inlay everywhere and a leather playing surface. All I want is one single checker to replace my missing one, but I realize that in all probability I will have to buy a complete set, and I have no problem with that. But the checkers must be "correct". To a serious player, these things are important :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: February 19, 2006 7:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon Arthur, How about: http://tinyurl.com/qkzlb http://tinyurl.com/noo9g From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 20:39:21 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:39:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <001701c635b3$5148c720$8e01a8c0@rock> References: <39cb22f30602170623q7846e6d1g6d2dd5706b1ac7ed@mail.gmail.com> <001701c635b3$5148c720$8e01a8c0@rock> Message-ID: On 19/02/06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > No store in Toronto sells sets of checkers alone. I have Googled and come up > with a few sites, but they want to sell me blue and white checkers, which > would ruin the whole look of the board. Have you checked out any of the Dufferin Games Room stores? They might be able to order them for you. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Sun Feb 19 21:06:16 2006 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:06:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c635ca$9debcca0$8e01a8c0@rock> I just found a backgammon club in Chicago which appears to have what I need. I emailed and am awaiting a response, but I think they have what I want. For two years+ I made my living playing backgammon. I learned that there are three phases in the life of a skilled player: in Year One, you learn how to move the checkers; in Year Two, you learn how to move the doubling cube; in Year Three, you learn how to move the opponent. At that point it became clear to me that professional backgammon players systematically find their inferiors, discover their pain thresholds (at some point, you would rather run away to Boise than pay me -- that is the pain threshold) and win $100 less than that -- so you pay me rather than run. And at that point, I realized that this is not an honourable profession. Tournament backgammon IS, but not money games. In tournament rules, you declare a stake ($100) and a goal-line (7 points), and it is impossible to lose more than $100. Even more interesting, for the statistically inclined, the money-game rules for doubling are suddenly inverted: given that you are leading 7-4 in a race to 9, the last thing you should do is double because I will redouble and thus gain a chance (albeit slim) of winning the match... but this slim chance is better than the previous probability that I faced. Backgammon is a very profound game. My tutor, who was for 7 years Canadian chess champion and also holds a black belt in Go, says that backgammon is much deeper than chess. In fact, he invented a game that we call Bless, which is Blitz chess plus the doubling cube. You play standard Blitz chess (5 seconds a move or 5 minutes a match, depending on local customs), but with the doubling cube: we start off playing for $100; when it's your move you have the option to double the stakes: I fold and pay the stake or continue to play for $200. Etc. I have seen thousands of dollars change hands in 10 minutes in this insane game. I know I digress, but I wish to present the simplest backgammon problem for those interested. W has two checkers left, on the 1 point and the 3 point. B has two checkers left, on the 1 point and the 2 point. It is W's move. 1. Should W double the bet? 2. Should B decline or accept? Arthur From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 09:51:51 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:51:51 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <000d01c635ca$9debcca0$8e01a8c0@rock> References: <000d01c635ca$9debcca0$8e01a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602200751y10e90497xb68f8f077a5eef0b@mail.gmail.com> Arthur, ? in Year Three, you learn how to move the opponent. At that point it became clear to me that professional backgammon players systematically find their inferiors, discover their pain thresholds (at some point, you would rather run away to Boise than pay me -- that is the pain threshold) and win $100 less than that -- so you pay me rather than run. And at that point, I realized that this is not an honourable profession. ? Oh, my god! That sounds EXACTLY like the fellow that wrote a poker book I once read. The book explained all sorts of psychological ploys that he would use against his opponents to steadily bump up the value of the poker games. The book was partly autobiographical, but it dealt with fictional characters, one that eventually committed suicide because of his poker losses. I never had the urge to experiment in human behavior like that. I know quite a bit about chess, far less about backgammon. If you are suggesting that the moves are "deeper" than chess, I would direct your attention to a story I read years ago in which a computer trounced the world backgammon champion 9-1. This was long before Deep Blue beat Garry Kasparov in a chess match. If you're suggesting that backgammon is "deeper" psychologically, then I'd say, sure. Backgammon is a money-making game, like poker. You play the man more than the board or the cards. Of course, you have to know the odds and the moves, but to be "successful" at either one needs to know human psychology. I would aver, though, that you're not dealing with very many motivations in any given opponent. Your backgammon tutor that was Canadian chess champion for 7 years...was that Kevin Spraggett? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/19/06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I just found a backgammon club in Chicago which appears to have what I need. > I emailed and am awaiting a response, but I think they have what I want. > For two years+ I made my living playing backgammon. I learned that there are > three phases in the life of a skilled player: in Year One, you learn how to > move the checkers; in Year Two, you learn how to move the doubling cube; in > Year Three, you learn how to move the opponent. At that point it became > clear to me that professional backgammon players systematically find their > inferiors, discover their pain thresholds (at some point, you would rather > run away to Boise than pay me -- that is the pain threshold) and win $100 > less than that -- so you pay me rather than run. And at that point, I > realized that this is not an honourable profession. > Tournament backgammon IS, but not money games. In tournament rules, you > declare a stake ($100) and a goal-line (7 points), and it is impossible to > lose more than $100. Even more interesting, for the statistically inclined, > the money-game rules for doubling are suddenly inverted: given that you are > leading 7-4 in a race to 9, the last thing you should do is double because I > will redouble and thus gain a chance (albeit slim) of winning the match... > but this slim chance is better than the previous probability that I faced. > Backgammon is a very profound game. My tutor, who was for 7 years Canadian > chess champion and also holds a black belt in Go, says that backgammon is > much deeper than chess. In fact, he invented a game that we call Bless, > which is Blitz chess plus the doubling cube. You play standard Blitz chess > (5 seconds a move or 5 minutes a match, depending on local customs), but > with the doubling cube: we start off playing for $100; when it's your move > you have the option to double the stakes: I fold and pay the stake or > continue to play for $200. Etc. I have seen thousands of dollars change > hands in 10 minutes in this insane game. > I know I digress, but I wish to present the simplest backgammon problem for > those interested. > W has two checkers left, on the 1 point and the 3 point. > B has two checkers left, on the 1 point and the 2 point. > It is W's move. > 1. Should W double the bet? > 2. Should B decline or accept? > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 09:53:17 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:53:17 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon In-Reply-To: <000b01c635c4$00d50360$8e01a8c0@rock> References: <39cb22f30602191655r4459210ewab43cfa49ae2c6c3@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c635c4$00d50360$8e01a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602200753u42e02f4pbfa8cb188f836835@mail.gmail.com> Arthur, I quite understand about how the pieces and equipment should be just so. Playing a game of chess without decent Staunton pieces is virtually unthinkable to me! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/19/06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Neither fit my particular bill, but thanks anyway. My board blows the doors > off these. Mahogany with inlay everywhere and a leather playing surface. All > I want is one single checker to replace my missing one, but I realize that > in all probability I will have to buy a complete set, and I have no problem > with that. But the checkers must be "correct". To a serious player, these > things are important :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: February 19, 2006 7:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Very Low-Tech question: Backgammon > > Arthur, > > How about: > > http://tinyurl.com/qkzlb > http://tinyurl.com/noo9g > > From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 10:04:20 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:04:20 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video Message-ID: <39cb22f30602200804m1b6566f4s6f8583c3a1a4dd4d@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, Over the weekend I futzed with my PC. It has twin 80 GB drives. The second one I only used to Ghost my C: drive. Yes, I know, it should be an external drive for backup purposes. Stipulated. I switched the IDE cables internally and made the Ghosted drive the "new" C: drive and blew away the partition and reformatted it and installed XP from scratch along with all the rest of my software. Took about 20 hours and I still have to install some utilities, but it's looking good. Except for two things: audio and video. Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on installing the 9550 drivers? Sound is another issue. I've got a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card...but the Windows System applet says that I've got no audio adapter. I've installed the Turtle Beach software but I am baffled as to how to enable it. Now, if I switch the IDE cables back so that my "old" C: drive boots up the PC, the audio works and the 9550 drivers are in place pretty as you please. Any ideas? Thanks, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Feb 20 10:13:28 2006 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:13:28 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602200804m1b6566f4s6f8583c3a1a4dd4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c63638$95fa11a0$0300a8c0@jt2> I don't know for sure about ATI, but Nvidia use the same software to install ALL their cards, except the very latest ones. Maybe it's a similar deal? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 20 February 2006 16:04 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video Dear Group, Over the weekend I futzed with my PC. It has twin 80 GB drives. The second one I only used to Ghost my C: drive. Yes, I know, it should be an external drive for backup purposes. Stipulated. I switched the IDE cables internally and made the Ghosted drive the "new" C: drive and blew away the partition and reformatted it and installed XP from scratch along with all the rest of my software. Took about 20 hours and I still have to install some utilities, but it's looking good. Except for two things: audio and video. Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on installing the 9550 drivers? Sound is another issue. I've got a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card...but the Windows System applet says that I've got no audio adapter. I've installed the Turtle Beach software but I am baffled as to how to enable it. Now, if I switch the IDE cables back so that my "old" C: drive boots up the PC, the audio works and the 9550 drivers are in place pretty as you please. Any ideas? Thanks, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 10:36:14 2006 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:36:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602200804m1b6566f4s6f8583c3a1a4dd4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30602200804m1b6566f4s6f8583c3a1a4dd4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 20/02/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran > before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a > Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and > re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything > on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. > The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management > software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the > Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on > installing the 9550 drivers? Looking at the Radeon 9550 info page (http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9550/), down near the bottom it says: "Driven with the industry leading stability and reliability of ATI's Catalyst(r) certified driver suite" So I wouls assume that if you download Catalyst (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=640) you will get the drivers. > Sound is another issue. I've got a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card...but > the Windows System applet says that I've got no audio adapter. I've > installed the Turtle Beach software but I am baffled as to how to > enable it. Did you change slots for the Sound card? Are there any IRQ Conflicts? Try looking at some of the troubleshooting FAQs from Turtle Beach (http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585.asp) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 18:01:36 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:01:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video In-Reply-To: <000c01c63638$95fa11a0$0300a8c0@jt2> References: <39cb22f30602200804m1b6566f4s6f8583c3a1a4dd4d@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c63638$95fa11a0$0300a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602201601y321a4979vc02685f8013bee0c@mail.gmail.com> Jon and Bryan, Turns out to have been the driver. I swapped the IDE cables and re-started my system with my "old" C: drive and found that the audio controller driver is the Vinyl AC'97 Codec Combo driver, while the driver on my "new" C: drive is the Realtek AC'97 Audio for VIA (R) Audio Controller. Looks like the Turtle Beach card was being bypassed by the on-board sound chip? Anyway, I found the Vinyl driver on-line somewhere and downloaded it and voil?! She works again! Now for the video...that's not nearly as critical, but I'm going to follow up Bryan's suggestions. Thanks both of you for giving me some suggestions. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/20/06, Jon Tydda wrote: > I don't know for sure about ATI, but Nvidia use the same software to install > ALL their cards, except the very latest ones. Maybe it's a similar deal? > > > Jon Looking at the Radeon 9550 info page (http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9550/), down near the bottom it says: "Driven with the industry leading stability and reliability of ATI's Catalyst(r) certified driver suite" So I wouls assume that if you download Catalyst (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=640) you will get the drivers. > Sound is another issue. I've got a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card...but > the Windows System applet says that I've got no audio adapter. I've > installed the Turtle Beach software but I am baffled as to how to > enable it. Did you change slots for the Sound card? Are there any IRQ Conflicts? Try looking at some of the troubleshooting FAQs from Turtle Beach (http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585.asp) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 21 01:16:11 2006 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:16:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B63AE@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Catalyst is indeed the driver, I have a Hercules video card based on the Radeon 9500 and download regulary the updated drivers. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bryan Carbonnell Verzonden: maandag 20 februari 2006 17:36 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Sound and video On 20/02/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran > before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a > Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and > re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything > on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. > The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management > software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the > Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on > installing the 9550 drivers? Looking at the Radeon 9550 info page (http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9550/), down near the bottom it says: "Driven with the industry leading stability and reliability of ATI's Catalyst(r) certified driver suite" So I wouls assume that if you download Catalyst (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=640) you will get the drivers. > Sound is another issue. I've got a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card...but > the Windows System applet says that I've got no audio adapter. I've > installed the Turtle Beach software but I am baffled as to how to > enable it. Did you change slots for the Sound card? Are there any IRQ Conflicts? Try looking at some of the troubleshooting FAQs from Turtle Beach (http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585.asp) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 09:16:16 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:16:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B63AE@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B63AE@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602210716x4ace51cdo7184647711f1c86a@mail.gmail.com> Erwin, I shall give it a try. Thank you. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > Catalyst is indeed the driver, I have a Hercules video card based on the > Radeon 9500 and download regulary the updated drivers. > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bryan Carbonnell > Verzonden: maandag 20 februari 2006 17:36 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Sound and video > > On 20/02/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > > > Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran > > > before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a > > Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and > > re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything > > on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. > > The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management > > software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the > > Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on > > installing the 9550 drivers? From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 09:33:58 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:33:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Message-ID: <39cb22f30602210733o3e9f3d59t9d59d550546b4b63@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, My sound problem is solved and I'm sure the video problem will be solved today. I've got a new one. It's completely non-vital, but it's annoying. On my "old" C: drive (which I still have ready to take over if necessary -- just requires an IDE cable swap) whenever I logged into Windows XP or halted the screen saver, I had to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. Now on the "new" C: drive that doesn't happen. The Windows logon comes up without the three-finger salute, and when the screen saver is moused away I see the logon...but no Ctrl-Alt-Del. The "help" says to log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel and open the User Accounts. Then I'm supposed to click on the Advanced tab. Well, that's the trouble. There IS no Advanced tab and I can't figure out how to proceed. I've simply gotten used to pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del at every logon juncture. It ain't critical by any means, but I'm nonplussed as to why I can't seem to find where to get it back. Any ideas? -- Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 21 09:39:19 2006 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:39:19 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8486B@ALCUXB> Is the option not there in the users page in control panels? If not, I seem to remember that XP Pro does things differently when the pc is on a domain as to when it isn't... was it on a domain before? Sorry I can't go into more depth, I'm on my way out of the door... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com] Sent: 21 February 2006 15:34 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Dear Group, My sound problem is solved and I'm sure the video problem will be solved today. I've got a new one. It's completely non-vital, but it's annoying. On my "old" C: drive (which I still have ready to take over if necessary -- just requires an IDE cable swap) whenever I logged into Windows XP or halted the screen saver, I had to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. Now on the "new" C: drive that doesn't happen. The Windows logon comes up without the three-finger salute, and when the screen saver is moused away I see the logon...but no Ctrl-Alt-Del. The "help" says to log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel and open the User Accounts. Then I'm supposed to click on the Advanced tab. Well, that's the trouble. There IS no Advanced tab and I can't figure out how to proceed. I've simply gotten used to pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del at every logon juncture. It ain't critical by any means, but I'm nonplussed as to why I can't seem to find where to get it back. Any ideas? -- Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 09:51:13 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:51:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound and video In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B63AE@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B63AE@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602210751s3de864b2u2b97dab1f2d2cbb6@mail.gmail.com> Erwin and Bryan, The Catalyst software did the trick. My system now recognizes the Radeon 9550 as it should. I remember looking at the ATI Radeon page that Bryan mentioned and seeing the download instructions for the Catalyst software...but I hadn't installed the .NET Framework yet, and I wanted to do things in order as I was installing three versions of Visual Studio and two versions of SQL Server. Once those were installed properly I simply forgot about the Catalyst requirement of having .NET installed first. Thank you again. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > Catalyst is indeed the driver, I have a Hercules video card based on the > Radeon 9500 and download regulary the updated drivers. > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bryan Carbonnell > Verzonden: maandag 20 februari 2006 17:36 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Sound and video > > On 20/02/06, Steve Erbach wrote: > > > Video isn't THAT much of a problem, but my Belarc Advisor report I ran > > > before I re-formatted my secondary drive showed that my PC has a > > Radeon 9550 adapter with the Default monitor. When I reformatted and > > re-installed everything, I couldn't for the life of me find anything > > on my CDs nor on the ATI web site regarding actual Radeon drivers. > > The ATI site has its multiple monitor/multiple desktop management > > software...but no drivers. Right now I've got the driver for the > > Radeon 7500 that comes with Windows XP installed. Any ideas on > > installing the 9550 drivers? > > Looking at the Radeon 9550 info page > (http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9550/), down near the bottom it > says: > "Driven with the industry leading stability and reliability of ATI's > Catalyst(r) certified driver suite" From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 12:16:07 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:16:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8486B@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8486B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602211016k7c4fc222g8ca6821ba055e4ce@mail.gmail.com> Jon, The PC's status as a workstation has not changed since I formatted my second drive and re-installed (almost) everything. We have a home network of 5 PC's and one of them is a Windows Server 2003 box...but I was only experimenting with that one. There's no domain at all. And as far as the option on the User's page, I can send you a screen shot, if you like. I start Control Panel, click User Accounts and get a Windows Explorer window with 1) the normal Windows Explorer menu and toolbar buttons; 2) a "See Also" of "Appearance and Themes" 3) three "Learn About" topics: User Accounts, User account types, and Switching users 4) "Pick a task..." showing Change and account, Create a new account, and Change my picture 5) "or pick a Control Panel icon" showing icons for Mail and User Accounts. I click on User Accounts and get a new window showing 1) the same three "Learn About" topics 2) "Pick a task..." showing Change an account, Create a new account, and Change the way users log on or off 3) "or pick an account to change" which shows icons for each of the accounts on my workstation. I'm stumped. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, Jon Tydda wrote: > Is the option not there in the users page in control panels? > > If not, I seem to remember that XP Pro does things differently when the pc > is on a domain as to when it isn't... was it on a domain before? > > Sorry I can't go into more depth, I'm on my way out of the door... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com] > Sent: 21 February 2006 15:34 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > > Dear Group, > > My sound problem is solved and I'm sure the video problem will be > solved today. I've got a new one. > > It's completely non-vital, but it's annoying. On my "old" C: drive > (which I still have ready to take over if necessary -- just requires > an IDE cable swap) whenever I logged into Windows XP or halted the > screen saver, I had to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. Now on the "new" C: drive > that doesn't happen. The Windows logon comes up without the > three-finger salute, and when the screen saver is moused away I see > the logon...but no Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > The "help" says to log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel and > open the User Accounts. Then I'm supposed to click on the Advanced > tab. Well, that's the trouble. There IS no Advanced tab and I can't > figure out how to proceed. > > I've simply gotten used to pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del at every logon > juncture. It ain't critical by any means, but I'm nonplussed as to > why I can't seem to find where to get it back. Any ideas? > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 21 12:46:29 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:46:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602211016k7c4fc222g8ca6821ba055e4ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005f01c63717$207f31a0$6901a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Steve, Choose "Change the way users log on or off" Then Uncheck "use welcome screen" Now this can be overridden with tweaking software so if you have any of that type of app going make sure you check there to HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Jon, The PC's status as a workstation has not changed since I formatted my second drive and re-installed (almost) everything. We have a home network of 5 PC's and one of them is a Windows Server 2003 box...but I was only experimenting with that one. There's no domain at all. And as far as the option on the User's page, I can send you a screen shot, if you like. I start Control Panel, click User Accounts and get a Windows Explorer window with 1) the normal Windows Explorer menu and toolbar buttons; 2) a "See Also" of "Appearance and Themes" 3) three "Learn About" topics: User Accounts, User account types, and Switching users 4) "Pick a task..." showing Change and account, Create a new account, and Change my picture 5) "or pick a Control Panel icon" showing icons for Mail and User Accounts. I click on User Accounts and get a new window showing 1) the same three "Learn About" topics 2) "Pick a task..." showing Change an account, Create a new account, and Change the way users log on or off 3) "or pick an account to change" which shows icons for each of the accounts on my workstation. I'm stumped. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, Jon Tydda wrote: > Is the option not there in the users page in control panels? > > If not, I seem to remember that XP Pro does things differently when > the pc is on a domain as to when it isn't... was it on a domain before? > > Sorry I can't go into more depth, I'm on my way out of the door... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com] > Sent: 21 February 2006 15:34 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > > Dear Group, > > My sound problem is solved and I'm sure the video problem will be > solved today. I've got a new one. > > It's completely non-vital, but it's annoying. On my "old" C: drive > (which I still have ready to take over if necessary -- just requires > an IDE cable swap) whenever I logged into Windows XP or halted the > screen saver, I had to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. Now on the "new" C: drive > that doesn't happen. The Windows logon comes up without the > three-finger salute, and when the screen saver is moused away I see > the logon...but no Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > The "help" says to log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel and > open the User Accounts. Then I'm supposed to click on the Advanced > tab. Well, that's the trouble. There IS no Advanced tab and I can't > figure out how to proceed. > > I've simply gotten used to pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del at every logon > juncture. It ain't critical by any means, but I'm nonplussed as to > why I can't seem to find where to get it back. Any ideas? > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 15:59:21 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <005f01c63717$207f31a0$6901a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <39cb22f30602211016k7c4fc222g8ca6821ba055e4ce@mail.gmail.com> <005f01c63717$207f31a0$6901a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602211359j3b24c8f0s5a1681af1898cc32@mail.gmail.com> John, That's the way my system is set up, but I just can't find the option to require a Ctrl-Alt-Del from each user account. I have TweakUI installed, but there's no option regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del. I'm still looking... Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > Choose > "Change the way users log on or off" > Then > Uncheck "use welcome screen" > Now this can be overridden with tweaking software so if you have any of that > type of app going make sure you check there to > > HTH > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > Jon, > > The PC's status as a workstation has not changed since I formatted my second > drive and re-installed (almost) everything. We have a home network of 5 > PC's and one of them is a Windows Server 2003 box...but I was only > experimenting with that one. There's no domain at all. > > And as far as the option on the User's page, I can send you a screen shot, > if you like. > > I start Control Panel, click User Accounts and get a Windows Explorer window > with > 1) the normal Windows Explorer menu and toolbar buttons; > 2) a "See Also" of "Appearance and Themes" > 3) three "Learn About" topics: User Accounts, User account types, and > Switching users > 4) "Pick a task..." showing Change and account, Create a new account, and > Change my picture > 5) "or pick a Control Panel icon" showing icons for Mail and User Accounts. > > I click on User Accounts and get a new window showing > 1) the same three "Learn About" topics > 2) "Pick a task..." showing Change an account, Create a new account, and > Change the way users log on or off > 3) "or pick an account to change" which shows icons for each of the accounts > on my workstation. > > I'm stumped. > > Steve Erbach From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 21 16:19:26 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:19:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602211359j3b24c8f0s5a1681af1898cc32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c63734$e2020c90$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Steve, Is this on XPHE or XPPro? If on Pro as far as I know there isn't a "user" option to do that, it is all or nothing. To verify, I just changed mine, logged out and it wanted ctrl-alt-del. Tweak does have a place for default login somewhere so it might be that. Don't know if you found this yet but just in case, the screen saver is the checkbox for "password required" under the choice list. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:59 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del John, That's the way my system is set up, but I just can't find the option to require a Ctrl-Alt-Del from each user account. I have TweakUI installed, but there's no option regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del. I'm still looking... Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 20:00:09 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:00:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <000001c63734$e2020c90$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <39cb22f30602211359j3b24c8f0s5a1681af1898cc32@mail.gmail.com> <000001c63734$e2020c90$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602211800p1ec528fpa7101eb4d5991eeb@mail.gmail.com> John, I have XP Pro. And I must disabuse you of the notion that there is no "user" option to require a Ctrl-Alt-Del before logon or right after you move the mouse to get rid of the screen saver. I remember using that option distinctly. What's getting to me is that when I click on User Accounts and then "Change the way users logon or off", there's a help topic called "Logon options." When I access that Help topic there is another link to "Learn more about user accounts". When I choose THAT Help topic I get a list of topics under "User Accounts and Passwords" that includes the topic "Increase logon security". THAT Help topic says: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Open User Accounts in Control Panel. 2. Click the Advanced tab. 3. In Secure logon, select the Require users to press Ctrl+Alt+Delete check box. Notes Pressing CTRL+ALT+DELETE before logging on guarantees that the authentic Windows logon prompt appears. Requiring the use of CTRL+ALT+DELETE increases security and helps to thwart certain Trojan horse programs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As Edison Carter used to say in "Max Headroom": "What I wanna know is this: Where is the 'Advanced' tab?" Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > Is this on XPHE or XPPro? > > If on Pro as far as I know there isn't a "user" option to do that, it is all > or nothing. To verify, I just changed mine, logged out and it wanted > ctrl-alt-del. Tweak does have a place for default login somewhere so it > might be that. > > > Don't know if you found this yet but just in case, the screen saver is the > checkbox for "password required" under the choice list. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:59 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > John, > > That's the way my system is set up, but I just can't find the option to > require a Ctrl-Alt-Del from each user account. > > I have TweakUI installed, but there's no option regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > I'm still looking... > > Steve Erbach > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 20:26:35 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:26:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <000001c63734$e2020c90$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <39cb22f30602211359j3b24c8f0s5a1681af1898cc32@mail.gmail.com> <000001c63734$e2020c90$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602211826x2ee6a535m92970c1feb3340b5@mail.gmail.com> John, Well, I didn't find the farging "Advanced" tab in the User Accounts, but I DID find Security Settings under Administrative Go to All Programs | Administrative Tools | Local Security Policy. Under Local Policies | Security Options there's a policy labeled "Interactive Login: Do not require CTRL+ALT+DEL". That must be set to DISABLED to require a user to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del before logging in. FINALLY! I just don't ever remember having to go to the Security Policies to do this. I'll bet that a recent Windows upgrade changed what you used to be able to do through the Control Panel WITHOUT changing the Help files. Thanks, John. Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > Is this on XPHE or XPPro? > > If on Pro as far as I know there isn't a "user" option to do that, it is all > or nothing. To verify, I just changed mine, logged out and it wanted > ctrl-alt-del. Tweak does have a place for default login somewhere so it > might be that. > > > Don't know if you found this yet but just in case, the screen saver is the > checkbox for "password required" under the choice list. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:59 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > John, > > That's the way my system is set up, but I just can't find the option to > require a Ctrl-Alt-Del from each user account. > > I have TweakUI installed, but there's no option regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > I'm still looking... > > Steve Erbach From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 21 20:30:26 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:30:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602211800p1ec528fpa7101eb4d5991eeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c63757$f1630a40$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Steve, Me thinks you are abusing me not disabusing! Alas, fair friend, a misunderstanding. There IS an option to force ALL users to press ctrl-alt-del in order to log in. My point was there is not a PER user option to choose it. In other words, either all the users have to press ctrl-alt-del or none of them have to. Did I make myself clear now? :o) I will walk through exactly what I have to do to force ALL users to press ctrl-alt-del in order to login: Start | Control Panel | User Accounts | User Accounts | Change the Way Users Log On or Off | Uncheck "Use the Welcome Screen" | Apply | Close | Close | Start | Shutdown | Log Off | Log Off At this point I am presented with a dialog asking me to press ctrl-alt-del to login To get this same dialog when your screen saver is disturbed by keyboard or mouse open display properties | Screen Saver Tab | Check "On Resume, Password Protect" Quiet simply far too many steps to do something so basic, don't you think? Me thinks if you PC does not respond the same then you might have to "tweak" it a bit! ;o) Good luck! From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 21 20:33:39 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:33:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602211826x2ee6a535m92970c1feb3340b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101c63758$6403acd0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Steve, We crossed emails. Are you saying that you do not have "Use the Welcome Screen" as an option when in the user account screen? BTW besides "Tweak" norton Systemworks 2005 included an option to dink around with this kind of stuff. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del John, Well, I didn't find the farging "Advanced" tab in the User Accounts, but I DID find Security Settings under Administrative Go to All Programs | Administrative Tools | Local Security Policy. Under Local Policies | Security Options there's a policy labeled "Interactive Login: Do not require CTRL+ALT+DEL". That must be set to DISABLED to require a user to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del before logging in. FINALLY! I just don't ever remember having to go to the Security Policies to do this. I'll bet that a recent Windows upgrade changed what you used to be able to do through the Control Panel WITHOUT changing the Help files. Thanks, John. Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > Is this on XPHE or XPPro? > > If on Pro as far as I know there isn't a "user" option to do that, it > is all or nothing. To verify, I just changed mine, logged out and it > wanted ctrl-alt-del. Tweak does have a place for default login > somewhere so it might be that. > > > Don't know if you found this yet but just in case, the screen saver is > the checkbox for "password required" under the choice list. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:59 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > John, > > That's the way my system is set up, but I just can't find the option > to require a Ctrl-Alt-Del from each user account. > > I have TweakUI installed, but there's no option regarding Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > I'm still looking... > > Steve Erbach _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 20:49:55 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:49:55 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <000101c63758$6403acd0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <39cb22f30602211826x2ee6a535m92970c1feb3340b5@mail.gmail.com> <000101c63758$6403acd0$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602211849o25968528h63da089d995c4792@mail.gmail.com> John, "This isn't Arguments. This is Abuse." "Oh! So sorry!" [slam] "Stupid git!" Yes, there is a "Use the Welcome Screen" option. What I was saying was that un-checking it did NOT require me to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. I only just found the Local Policy option for Ctrl-Alt-Del 30 minutes ago. I still only have SystemWorks 2003. I've gotten six copies from Ebay for an average of $8 or $9 each so I'm not impelled to upgrade. Anyway, I got Ctrl-Alt-Del back. Very little left to do to have my "new" drive C: up to snuff with everything I want installed on it. Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > We crossed emails. Are you saying that you do not have "Use the Welcome > Screen" as an option when in the user account screen? > > BTW besides "Tweak" norton Systemworks 2005 included an option to dink > around with this kind of stuff. > From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 21 21:58:18 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:58:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602211849o25968528h63da089d995c4792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c63764$375c9730$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> LOL! You have kids don't you? :-))) OK, now I just had to use the damned ctrl-alt-del to get back in because I forgot to turn it back off :-O I'm wondering because this here tank is up to speed with all the MS security updates and it worked for me so it does seem to suggest there is a difference for some reason. You had a local policy to not display the Ctrl-Alt-Del and I had a local policy to display it. Now, I've never changed it on my machine... ;o) Actually the other burning question is do you have it set up in a domain? Why? Because the only PCs I've set up that have the ctrl-alt-del turned on by default are those connected to a W2x domain server. All the stand alone or workgroup based WinXP PCs had the cutesy little flowers and crap on the login screen. And Steve, you think this is irritating crap?! I just spent the last half a day trying to get my Nero Burning Rom to work again. It had been working and all I did was change the Nero setup to add InCD. I had to remove the entire friggin thing and then use their "cleaners" to get everything tidy again, download a 100+ minor upgrade and install it. All the while rebooting about a million friggin times! Who was that recommended Nero 7?! Here's hoping your tomorrow is better than today! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del John, "This isn't Arguments. This is Abuse." "Oh! So sorry!" [slam] "Stupid git!" Yes, there is a "Use the Welcome Screen" option. What I was saying was that un-checking it did NOT require me to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. I only just found the Local Policy option for Ctrl-Alt-Del 30 minutes ago. I still only have SystemWorks 2003. I've gotten six copies from Ebay for an average of $8 or $9 each so I'm not impelled to upgrade. Anyway, I got Ctrl-Alt-Del back. Very little left to do to have my "new" drive C: up to snuff with everything I want installed on it. Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Wed Feb 22 06:22:37 2006 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:52:37 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE38A3@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> "Quiet simply far too many steps to do something so basic, don't you think?" Maybe because it a very rare (same may say quite ridiculous) requirement for a home PC that's not on a domain ;=) If your home network gets hacked you've got a hell of a lot more to worry about than making them hit CTR-ALT-DEL. Ie - its pointless... Cheers, A -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del Steve, Me thinks you are abusing me not disabusing! Alas, fair friend, a misunderstanding. There IS an option to force ALL users to press ctrl-alt-del in order to log in. My point was there is not a PER user option to choose it. In other words, either all the users have to press ctrl-alt-del or none of them have to. Did I make myself clear now? :o) I will walk through exactly what I have to do to force ALL users to press ctrl-alt-del in order to login: Start | Control Panel | User Accounts | User Accounts | Change the Way Users Log On or Off | Uncheck "Use the Welcome Screen" | Apply | Close | Close | Start | Shutdown | Log Off | Log Off At this point I am presented with a dialog asking me to press ctrl-alt-del to login To get this same dialog when your screen saver is disturbed by keyboard or mouse open display properties | Screen Saver Tab | Check "On Resume, Password Protect" Quiet simply far too many steps to do something so basic, don't you think? Me thinks if you PC does not respond the same then you might have to "tweak" it a bit! ;o) Good luck! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 22 09:22:13 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:22:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE38A3@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <005001c637c3$c28738b0$6601a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I agree with your summation that from a security standpoint it is useless. But this is a XP pro machine and my interest lies in applying lessons learned here to the small business application where a Windows server is not used (or not set up in a domain). XP pro defaults to not require ctrl-alt-del when set up in these situations. So, when one has, say 5 XP machines and 15 w2k machines (set up one at a time throughout the ages), that's a lot of clicking to accomplish what it does for the sake of a common user interface. It is actually less work to turn off the Mickey mouse GUI on XP so that it appears nearly the same as W2K than it is to accomplish the login format! (A big thank you goes out to the MS GUI people for that!) Plus, in Steve's defense, habits are easier to appease than adjust. If one works in a ctrl-alt-del environment all day why not switch your home login to be the same? We're all getting older... ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew "Quiet simply far too many steps to do something so basic, don't you think?" Maybe because it a very rare (same may say quite ridiculous) requirement for a home PC that's not on a domain ;=) If your home network gets hacked you've got a hell of a lot more to worry about than making them hit CTR-ALT-DEL. Ie - its pointless... Cheers, A From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 09:57:57 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:57:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <001601c63764$375c9730$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <39cb22f30602211849o25968528h63da089d995c4792@mail.gmail.com> <001601c63764$375c9730$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602220757m5f1a90bbx51f2b0b21c59f199@mail.gmail.com> John, Kids? You bet, three of them. One is the world's loudest seven-year-old girl. As you pointed out to Andrew, this is more habit than anything. I could certainly have adjusted with no problem; but I got to searching for the option to require Ctrl-Alt-Del and I got miffed that I couldn't find it. The Help is obviously wrong. So I just looked and looked until I found it. Now I've got it and I ain't a gonna give it up! And soon I'll have every little utility installed that I want so that I can Ghost the whole schmeer onto my "old" C: drive and at least have some sort of backup. It isn't on a doman. I believe I mentioned that I've been dabbling with Windows Server 2003...but I only installed the Standard edition so there's no domain. I'm also dabbling with SQL Server 2005. That's the primary reason for me to reformat one of my drives and re-install everything. I had installed the beta of SS2005 and then munged up the un-install so that SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Manager didn't work right and neither did Visual Studio .NET 2003. Now they all work happily together on the one box. Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > LOL! You have kids don't you? :-))) > > OK, now I just had to use the damned ctrl-alt-del to get back in because I > forgot to turn it back off :-O > > I'm wondering because this here tank is up to speed with all the MS security > updates and it worked for me so it does seem to suggest there is a > difference for some reason. You had a local policy to not display the > Ctrl-Alt-Del and I had a local policy to display it. Now, I've never changed > it on my machine... > ;o) > > Actually the other burning question is do you have it set up in a domain? > Why? Because the only PCs I've set up that have the ctrl-alt-del turned on > by default are those connected to a W2x domain server. All the stand alone > or workgroup based WinXP PCs had the cutesy little flowers and crap on the > login screen. > > And Steve, you think this is irritating crap?! I just spent the last half a > day trying to get my Nero Burning Rom to work again. It had been working and > all I did was change the Nero setup to add InCD. I had to remove the entire > friggin thing and then use their "cleaners" to get everything tidy again, > download a 100+ minor upgrade and install it. All the while rebooting about > a million friggin times! Who was that recommended Nero 7?! > > Here's hoping your tomorrow is better than today! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:50 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del > > John, > > "This isn't Arguments. This is Abuse." "Oh! So sorry!" [slam] "Stupid > git!" > > Yes, there is a "Use the Welcome Screen" option. What I was saying was that > un-checking it did NOT require me to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. I only just found > the Local Policy option for Ctrl-Alt-Del 30 minutes ago. > > I still only have SystemWorks 2003. I've gotten six copies from Ebay for an > average of $8 or $9 each so I'm not impelled to upgrade. > > Anyway, I got Ctrl-Alt-Del back. Very little left to do to have my "new" > drive C: up to snuff with everything I want installed on it. > > Steve Erbach From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 10:24:15 2006 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:24:15 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602220757m5f1a90bbx51f2b0b21c59f199@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30602211849o25968528h63da089d995c4792@mail.gmail.com> <001601c63764$375c9730$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <39cb22f30602220757m5f1a90bbx51f2b0b21c59f199@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FC902F.9030103@earthlink.net> Steve, >Kids? You bet, three of them. >One is the world's loudest seven-year-old girl. >As you pointed out to Andrew, >this is more habit than anything. A habit to go broke by :-) . PB ---- Steve Erbach wrote: > John, > > Kids? You bet, three of them. One is the world's loudest seven-year-old girl. > > As you pointed out to Andrew, this is more habit than anything. I > could certainly have adjusted with no problem; but I got to searching > for the option to require Ctrl-Alt-Del and I got miffed that I > couldn't find it. The Help is obviously wrong. So I just looked and > looked until I found it. Now I've got it and I ain't a gonna give it > up! And soon I'll have every little utility installed that I want so > that I can Ghost the whole schmeer onto my "old" C: drive and at least > have some sort of backup. > > It isn't on a doman. I believe I mentioned that I've been dabbling > with Windows Server 2003...but I only installed the Standard edition > so there's no domain. I'm also dabbling with SQL Server 2005. That's > the primary reason for me to reformat one of my drives and re-install > everything. I had installed the beta of SS2005 and then munged up the > un-install so that SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Manager didn't work > right and neither did Visual Studio .NET 2003. Now they all work > happily together on the one box. > > Steve Erbach > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > > > On 2/21/06, John Bartow wrote: > >> LOL! You have kids don't you? :-))) >> >> OK, now I just had to use the damned ctrl-alt-del to get back in because I >> forgot to turn it back off :-O >> >> I'm wondering because this here tank is up to speed with all the MS security >> updates and it worked for me so it does seem to suggest there is a >> difference for some reason. You had a local policy to not display the >> Ctrl-Alt-Del and I had a local policy to display it. Now, I've never changed >> it on my machine... >> ;o) >> >> Actually the other burning question is do you have it set up in a domain? >> Why? Because the only PCs I've set up that have the ctrl-alt-del turned on >> by default are those connected to a W2x domain server. All the stand alone >> or workgroup based WinXP PCs had the cutesy little flowers and crap on the >> login screen. >> >> And Steve, you think this is irritating crap?! I just spent the last half a >> day trying to get my Nero Burning Rom to work again. It had been working and >> all I did was change the Nero setup to add InCD. I had to remove the entire >> friggin thing and then use their "cleaners" to get everything tidy again, >> download a 100+ minor upgrade and install it. All the while rebooting about >> a million friggin times! Who was that recommended Nero 7?! >> >> Here's hoping your tomorrow is better than today! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:50 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del >> >> John, >> >> "This isn't Arguments. This is Abuse." "Oh! So sorry!" [slam] "Stupid >> git!" >> >> Yes, there is a "Use the Welcome Screen" option. What I was saying was that >> un-checking it did NOT require me to type Ctrl-Alt-Del. I only just found >> the Local Policy option for Ctrl-Alt-Del 30 minutes ago. >> >> I still only have SystemWorks 2003. I've gotten six copies from Ebay for an >> average of $8 or $9 each so I'm not impelled to upgrade. >> >> Anyway, I got Ctrl-Alt-Del back. Very little left to do to have my "new" >> drive C: up to snuff with everything I want installed on it. >> >> Steve Erbach >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 12:40:15 2006 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:40:15 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ctrl-Alt-Del In-Reply-To: <43FC902F.9030103@earthlink.net> References: <39cb22f30602211849o25968528h63da089d995c4792@mail.gmail.com> <001601c63764$375c9730$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <39cb22f30602220757m5f1a90bbx51f2b0b21c59f199@mail.gmail.com> <43FC902F.9030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <39cb22f30602221040x78c5db5aj7f4dc3d1a127732f@mail.gmail.com> Peter, Arf! Arf! Steve Erbach http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com On 2/22/06, Peter Brawley wrote: > Steve, > > >Kids? You bet, three of them. > >One is the world's loudest seven-year-old girl. > >As you pointed out to Andrew, > >this is more habit than anything. > > A habit to go broke by :-) . > > PB > > ---- > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > John, > > > > Kids? You bet, three of them. One is the world's loudest seven-year-old girl. > > > > As you pointed out to Andrew, this is more habit than anything. I > > could certainly have adjusted with no problem; but I got to searching > > for the option to require Ctrl-Alt-Del and I got miffed that I > > couldn't find it. The Help is obviously wrong. So I just looked and > > looked until I found it. Now I've got it and I ain't a gonna give it > > up! And soon I'll have every little utility installed that I want so > > that I can Ghost the whole schmeer onto my "old" C: drive and at least > > have some sort of backup. > > > > It isn't on a doman. I believe I mentioned that I've been dabbling > > with Windows Server 2003...but I only installed the Standard edition > > so there's no domain. I'm also dabbling with SQL Server 2005. That's > > the primary reason for me to reformat one of my drives and re-install > > everything. I had installed the beta of SS2005 and then munged up the > > un-install so that SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Manager didn't work > > right and neither did Visual Studio .NET 2003. Now they all work > > happily together on the one box. > > > > Steve Erbach > > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Feb 22 18:56:31 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:56:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: <000001c63813$ffda52b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 22 23:09:51 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:09:51 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <000001c63813$ffda52b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <002501c63837$6100b1b0$6801a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Dan, It is included with Windows Server 2003. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/default.m spx HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:57 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 23 04:15:57 2006 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Feb 23 08:31:00 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:31:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <31409981.1140689910638.JavaMail.root@sniper23> Message-ID: <000501c63885$c52749d0$0200a8c0@danwaters> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 23 08:46:54 2006 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:46:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Feb 23 08:57:22 2006 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:57:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <4824540.1140706327409.JavaMail.root@sniper22> Message-ID: <000001c63889$73fd1a40$0200a8c0@danwaters> How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be purchased 'off the shelf', but no? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 23 09:19:59 2006 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:19:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: Hi Dan Don't you have local Microsoft dealers? Here most well-established hardware/software dealers supply MS products. We do as well. However, I'm not into all the license stuff which will kill decent people. When we have a need, we consult one of the distributors - they all have full-time employees only dealing with MS licensing. It's extremely complicated and it is getting worse. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:57:22 >>> How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be purchased 'off the shelf', but no? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 23 09:32:28 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:32:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D5AD8D@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FE8@ADGSERVER> Look here: SharePoint Portal 2003 Server Win32 English with 5-Clients (CALs) http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-h04-00478~7MCSB09M.htm $4862.48 It looks like sharepoint services is in Windows 2003 Srv for Small Business w/SP1 & 5-Clients *Retail Box* http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-t73-00494~7MSOB3H0.htm $413.29 So, it looks like you might find it much cheaper if it is bundled. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Don't you have local Microsoft dealers? Here most well-established hardware/software dealers supply MS products. We do as well. However, I'm not into all the license stuff which will kill decent people. When we have a need, we consult one of the distributors - they all have full-time employees only dealing with MS licensing. It's extremely complicated and it is getting worse. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:57:22 >>> How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be purchased 'off the shelf', but no? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 09:32:40 2006 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:32:40 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <000001c63889$73fd1a40$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <4824540.1140706327409.JavaMail.root@sniper22> <000001c63889$73fd1a40$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: http://www.microsoft.com/office/sharepoint/howtobuy/default.mspx Looks like $30K per server for the SharePoint Portal Server 2003 External Connector License. Ouch. Perhaps it's available on EBAY ?? GK On 2/23/06, Dan Waters wrote: > How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be > purchased 'off the shelf', but no? > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? > > Hi Dan > > Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. > > /gustav > > >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> > John & Gustav, > > A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely > be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite > unlikely'. > > Thanks, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? > > Hi Dan > > As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use > only, and the external is quite expensive. > > And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very > sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. > > /gustav > > >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> > I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They > are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places > in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? > > I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access > database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him > some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has > anyone used Sharepoint with Access? > > Thanks! > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 23 09:34:47 2006 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:34:47 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/sharepoint/wss.mspx Download WSS as its free. You have to pay for the Portal which includes WSS if you need it. But WSS alone may meet the requirements. Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 23 February 2006 15:32 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Look here: SharePoint Portal 2003 Server Win32 English with 5-Clients (CALs) http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-h04-00478~7MCSB09M.htm $4862.48 It looks like sharepoint services is in Windows 2003 Srv for Small Business w/SP1 & 5-Clients *Retail Box* http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-t73-00494~7MSOB3H0.htm $413.29 So, it looks like you might find it much cheaper if it is bundled. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Don't you have local Microsoft dealers? Here most well-established hardware/software dealers supply MS products. We do as well. However, I'm not into all the license stuff which will kill decent people. When we have a need, we consult one of the distributors - they all have full-time employees only dealing with MS licensing. It's extremely complicated and it is getting worse. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:57:22 >>> How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be purchased 'off the shelf', but no? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com abaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 23 09:35:56 2006 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:35:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FE8@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D34FE9@ADGSERVER> Looking here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/default.m spx I'm not sure if you would want SharePoint Portal Server or Windows SharePoint Services (which can be downloaded free for Windows 2003 Server - as far as I can tell). Bobby -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Look here: SharePoint Portal 2003 Server Win32 English with 5-Clients (CALs) http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-h04-00478~7MCSB09M.htm $4862.48 It looks like sharepoint services is in Windows 2003 Srv for Small Business w/SP1 & 5-Clients *Retail Box* http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-t73-00494~7MSOB3H0.htm $413.29 So, it looks like you might find it much cheaper if it is bundled. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Don't you have local Microsoft dealers? Here most well-established hardware/software dealers supply MS products. We do as well. However, I'm not into all the license stuff which will kill decent people. When we have a need, we consult one of the distributors - they all have full-time employees only dealing with MS licensing. It's extremely complicated and it is getting worse. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:57:22 >>> How could I go about finding a local dealer? I thought this could be purchased 'off the shelf', but no? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan Oh, please check at your local dealer before advising your client. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 15:31:00 >>> John & Gustav, A flat file would be OK for what I'm thinking of, but this would definitely be external, and with this company 'quite expensive' probably means 'quite unlikely'. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Hi Dan As far as I know, the free license with Windows 2003 is for internal use only, and the external is quite expensive. And Sharepoint database files ... aren't they flat files only? Not very sexy, just educated Excel files ... brings back memories of RapidFile. /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 23-02-2006 01:56:31 >>> I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has anyone used Sharepoint with Access? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 23 09:45:42 2006 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:45:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? Message-ID: Hi Bobby and Dan "Portal" is the external license. The other (quote): "Get a preconfigured, Internal website based on Windows sharepoint Services, which team members can Use to share information in a collaborative Environment" Question is how "internal" is defined. Is an employee internal when working outside? How about upgrades? Do you need CALs for the Portal version, etc. etc. Lots of questions - that's why you have to turn to an expert and define very explicit your needs and what you do not need. And if you feel the salesman is unsure in this area, move on to the next. /gustav >>> bheid at appdevgrp.com 23-02-2006 16:32:28 >>> Look here: SharePoint Portal 2003 Server Win32 English with 5-Clients (CALs) http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-h04-00478~7MCSB09M.htm $4862.48 It looks like sharepoint services is in Windows 2003 Srv for Small Business w/SP1 & 5-Clients *Retail Box* http://www.provantage.com/microsoft-t73-00494~7MSOB3H0.htm $413.29 So, it looks like you might find it much cheaper if it is bundled. Bobby From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 23 10:53:14 2006 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:53:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b201c63899$a437f440$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Dan: The main question that needs to be answered does this license require that use be "internal to the company" or "internal to the companies private network"? The external "portal" version is fairly expensive. As has been mentioned, you should consult a Microsoft licensing specialist to figure out if the "portal" is needed or not. Here is another option if the "Portal" is needed: given this scenario: -the use is internal to the company -not used by anyone outside of the company -only a few dozen employees need remote access via the Internet then you may want to investigate if the company would be better off (cost wise) to use a remote access software such NetOp to get inside the company LAN via the internet and access the SharePoint Services (included with Windows Server) internally. HTH John B. From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Feb 23 12:18:54 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:18:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint - What does it cost? References: <000001c63813$ffda52b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <43FDFC8E.5050508@shaw.ca> Another way to go depending on security concerns is to use a hosted or dedicated WSS server. I used this for a trial demo last summer. There should be other hosting sites out there. Hosted for 100 users is about $60 a month +extras like named url and ssl It is a Norwegian-US firm Apptix, servers based in Virginia. IBM and Bell Canada use it. They have a free 30 day trial., if you want to put up a demo. http://www.sharepointsite.com Here is a quick Windows Media File to show easy linking of WSS lists and Access tables and running a query on them from Access 2003 to produce a mail list. http://www.wssdemo.com/Demo Documents/Access.wmv You can also run SOAP and WebDAV against WSS for external users. or even get XML rowsets knowing the GUID of the WSS list via a url that looks like this http://server/site/_vti_bin/owssvr.dll?Cmd=Display&List={E1D9FED5-2531-413F-8C0F-CAA5C6280E51}&XMLDATA=TRUE The following Access 2003 VBA example exports the contents of the Inventory table to a new list named HouseHold List on the Windows SharePoint Services site. DoCmd.TransferDatabase transfertype:=acExport, databasetype:="WSS", _ databasename:="http://mconnelly.sharepointsite.com", _ objecttype:=acTable, Source:="Inventory", _ Destination:="Household", structureonly:=False Dan Waters wrote: >I have a potential customer who might benefit from using Sharepoint. They >are only about 100 people, but have sales and field reps in several places >in the world. What does Sharepoint cost? > >I've read before that a list in Sharepoint can be connected to an Access >database. If my customer does use Sharepoint, then I believe I can give him >some database functionality collaborating with widely dispersed people. Has >anyone used Sharepoint with Access? > >Thanks! > >Dan > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. 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