From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar  1 10:30:04 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:30:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive
Message-ID: <000801c63d4d$65950940$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hello all you hardware experts!

I just got a new WD 2.5" 60 Gb HD that I want to use as an external backup
drive.  I have a NexStar enclosure that currently has my laptop's original
20 Gb drive in it.  (The laptop now has a WD 60 Gb HD).  I want to upsize so
that I can backup using Ghost to backup the entire drive on my laptop.

However, when I install the new drive into the enclosure and plug it in, the
disk is not recognized.  I went to Device Manager and found that the USB
Mass Storage Device Driver is listed, but has a yellow exclamation mark, and
the error given is Device Can't Start (Code 10).

I went to Disk Management under Administrative Tools, and the disk is
recognized, but says that media is not installed.

I suspect that I need to format (or partition) this new disk before it will
work correctly.  How can I do that if the laptop can't run this disk to
begin with?  Should I put it into the laptop as though I was starting with a
new laptop drive?  Or . . . ?

Thanks!
Dan 



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 12:47:47 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:47:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] outlook rules
Message-ID: <b874372a0603011047k16ca5d30hbd655067f695bb31@mail.gmail.com>

This is a question for you outlook guru's out there......


I have my normal email in my standard exchange inbox, but also some pst's so
I can move emails to my designated pst of choice (3x500mb).  I'd like to
setup a rule that after receivng email, any emails in my inbox that are
older than 4 weeks, to be auto moved to my primary PST.

any method to do that?

--
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 12:51:46 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:51:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] outlook rules
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0603011047k16ca5d30hbd655067f695bb31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a0603011047k16ca5d30hbd655067f695bb31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950603011051l6eaff60bm247a617a29644e72@mail.gmail.com>

Right click on the inbox folder. Select Properties. Select AutoArchive
Tab. Set option and move to location.

On 3/1/06, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a question for you outlook guru's out there......
>
>
> I have my normal email in my standard exchange inbox, but also some pst's so
> I can move emails to my designated pst of choice (3x500mb).  I'd like to
> setup a rule that after receivng email, any emails in my inbox that are
> older than 4 weeks, to be auto moved to my primary PST.
>
> any method to do that?
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Mar  1 14:01:56 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:01:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D5B4D6@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35051@ADGSERVER>

I just got a new drive and enclosure. This is what I had to do.

I had to right-click on the disk in disk manager and click on Initialize
before it would let me partition and format the drive.

Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:30 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive


Hello all you hardware experts!

I just got a new WD 2.5" 60 Gb HD that I want to use as an external backup
drive.  I have a NexStar enclosure that currently has my laptop's original
20 Gb drive in it.  (The laptop now has a WD 60 Gb HD).  I want to upsize so
that I can backup using Ghost to backup the entire drive on my laptop.

However, when I install the new drive into the enclosure and plug it in, the
disk is not recognized.  I went to Device Manager and found that the USB
Mass Storage Device Driver is listed, but has a yellow exclamation mark, and
the error given is Device Can't Start (Code 10).

I went to Disk Management under Administrative Tools, and the disk is
recognized, but says that media is not installed.

I suspect that I need to format (or partition) this new disk before it will
work correctly.  How can I do that if the laptop can't run this disk to
begin with?  Should I put it into the laptop as though I was starting with a
new laptop drive?  Or . . . ?

Thanks!
Dan 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar  1 15:01:30 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:01:30 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive
In-Reply-To: <12509594.1141243537763.JavaMail.root@sniper38>
Message-ID: <000001c63d73$513af6f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Yes!

That got me on track.  First, of course I had to connect to BOTH rows of
pins on the drive, not just one row.  And I needed to connect to a USB port
with enough power.

Then the disk manager actually saw the new disk (it was looking at the disk
drive in my printer which I forgot was there).

And now, my new disk is 24% formatted and going!

Thanks Bobby!

Dan 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive

I just got a new drive and enclosure. This is what I had to do.

I had to right-click on the disk in disk manager and click on Initialize
before it would let me partition and format the drive.

Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:30 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive


Hello all you hardware experts!

I just got a new WD 2.5" 60 Gb HD that I want to use as an external backup
drive.  I have a NexStar enclosure that currently has my laptop's original
20 Gb drive in it.  (The laptop now has a WD 60 Gb HD).  I want to upsize so
that I can backup using Ghost to backup the entire drive on my laptop.

However, when I install the new drive into the enclosure and plug it in, the
disk is not recognized.  I went to Device Manager and found that the USB
Mass Storage Device Driver is listed, but has a yellow exclamation mark, and
the error given is Device Can't Start (Code 10).

I went to Disk Management under Administrative Tools, and the disk is
recognized, but says that media is not installed.

I suspect that I need to format (or partition) this new disk before it will
work correctly.  How can I do that if the laptop can't run this disk to
begin with?  Should I put it into the laptop as though I was starting with a
new laptop drive?  Or . . . ?

Thanks!
Dan 

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Mar  2 06:46:32 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:46:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D5B56F@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35058@ADGSERVER>

Glad that helped you get going.  I specifically wanted an external enclosure
with a power supply so that I did not have to rely on the USB port's power
(or using 2 USB ports for the one device).

And yes, both rows of pins are good!  LOL.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive


Yes!

That got me on track.  First, of course I had to connect to BOTH rows of
pins on the drive, not just one row.  And I needed to connect to a USB port
with enough power.

Then the disk manager actually saw the new disk (it was looking at the disk
drive in my printer which I forgot was there).

And now, my new disk is 24% formatted and going!

Thanks Bobby!

Dan 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive

I just got a new drive and enclosure. This is what I had to do.

I had to right-click on the disk in disk manager and click on Initialize
before it would let me partition and format the drive.

Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:30 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] New External Backup Drive


Hello all you hardware experts!

I just got a new WD 2.5" 60 Gb HD that I want to use as an external backup
drive.  I have a NexStar enclosure that currently has my laptop's original
20 Gb drive in it.  (The laptop now has a WD 60 Gb HD).  I want to upsize so
that I can backup using Ghost to backup the entire drive on my laptop.

However, when I install the new drive into the enclosure and plug it in, the
disk is not recognized.  I went to Device Manager and found that the USB
Mass Storage Device Driver is listed, but has a yellow exclamation mark, and
the error given is Device Can't Start (Code 10).

I went to Disk Management under Administrative Tools, and the disk is
recognized, but says that media is not installed.

I suspect that I need to format (or partition) this new disk before it will
work correctly.  How can I do that if the laptop can't run this disk to
begin with?  Should I put it into the laptop as though I was starting with a
new laptop drive?  Or . . . ?

Thanks!
Dan 



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Mar  4 18:07:41 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:07:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35058@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <060401c63fe8$d1ff4d50$8e01a8c0@rock>

My main squeeze has twin 80 GB drives. Today I bought a 250 GB drive. I want
to burn the image of c:\ to the new drive, then swap them, reboot and be
back where I was a few minutes ago with everything working correctly.
I have an ancient version of Ghost. The current setup is NTFS everywhere.
The ancient version alleges to support NTFS but if memory serves there was a
change a few years back in the NTFS structure; so I am a teensy bit nervous
that the old version won't support the changed structure.
My plan thus far is this (dictated by the complete absence of free space
anywhere): unplug HD #2 (d:\), replace it with the big new drive, run Ghost
or Partition Magic and copy everything from c:\ to the new drive, then swap
the new drive for the old drive c:\, reboot and experience joy.
Before I do anything, I request some feedback -- an assurance this will
work, a better approach, whatever. I am NOT a hardware guy. I prefer to
confine my perspective to the subtleties of SQL etc. The current box has
twin 80 GB disks, both of which have about 6 GB free. Ideally, I would like
to move everything from the existing c:\ to the new disk, then do the same
with everything on the d:\ disk (but I expect that to be more complex, since
numerous pointers will be looking for d:\ not c:\). On Step Two I don't care
to do it immediately, since it will continue to work as is, assuming that I
correctly image existing drive c:\ to the new drive, then remove the old
drive and plonk in the new one.
Holes in logic?
Superior strategies?
More optimized solution?
All advice gratefully accepted.
(I also have a CD burner and a DVD burner connected. Perhaps I should unhook
one of these rather than d:\ and go about it that way.)?
TIA,
Arthur



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Mar  4 18:20:55 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:20:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35058@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <060501c63fea$ab8bf090$8e01a8c0@rock>

Way back when, I set up my home network, back when I knew even less than I
do now, which is almost nothing. When it asked if I wanted to set up a
domain, I assumed that it meant an internet domain, which I didn't have, so
I chose Workgroup.
I would now like to change this, and ultimately arrive at an Active
Directory solution, replete with roaming profiles, so that no matter which
box I am on, I see the same Outlook files, the same shortcuts, etc. 
In short, how do I get from here to there? Should I just remove everyone
from the workgroup, then destroy the workgroup, then create a domain, then
add the boxes to the domain, and finally add the users?
If not this, then what? I have tried a few googles and got nowhere useful.
One more thing. I have purchased a wireless router, but not yet set it up.
The intended purpose of this box is to allow immediate access to my network
to several selected people only: clients and colleagues. I want a client to
be able to visit, turn on her notebook and immediately have access to my
network -- not complete unfettered access, of course, but access to areas of
interest to her. The list of clients/colleagues is small; less than 10 --
and the only way they will ever access the network is by bringing their
notebooks here.
In addition to the clients/colleagues, there are 4 others to whom I want to
give roaming profile abilities, so they can log in to any available box and
see their stuff and not see the stuff to which they have no access.
Any advice or URLs leading to a solution will be much appreciated.
A.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar  4 18:45:04 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 10:45:04 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
In-Reply-To: <060501c63fea$ab8bf090$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35058@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <440AC130.661.2E9914B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Way back when, I set up my home network, back when I knew even less than I
> do now, which is almost nothing. When it asked if I wanted to set up a
> domain, I assumed that it meant an internet domain, which I didn't have, so
> I chose Workgroup. I would now like to change this, and ultimately arrive at
> an Active Directory solution, replete with roaming profiles, so that no
> matter which box I am on, I see the same Outlook files, the same shortcuts,
> etc. In short, how do I get from here to there?   Should I just remove
> everyone from the workgroup, then destroy the workgroup, then create a
> domain, then add the boxes to the domain, and finally add the users? If not
> this, then what? 

Assuming that you are using workstation OSs (2KPro, XPPro), you will need 
to upgrade the OS on one machine to a Server version or instal a new server 
with the appropriate OS.  When you do the update, you set up that machine 
as the Primary Domain Controller.

You then create user accounts on that server for all of your users.

Once you have the domain controller set up, on each workstation  change the 
Network properties to be part of a domain and enter the domain name. Then 
just follow the prompts to connect.

>I have tried a few googles and got nowhere useful. One more
> thing. I have purchased a wireless router, but not yet set it up. The
> intended purpose of this box is to allow immediate access to my network to
> several selected people only: clients and colleagues. I want a client to be
> able to visit, turn on her notebook and immediately have access to my
> network -- not complete unfettered access, of course, but access to areas of
> interest to her. 

As long as you are using NTFS on all machines, once you hae set up a domain 
with a PDC,  you can restrict access to any resource on any machine based 
on the user logon.   Using wireless access to your network, if they have 
the relevant encryption key, they will be able to log on to your network 
and use whatever resources you have made available to them. 

> The list of clients/colleagues is small; less than 10 --
> and the only way they will ever access the network is by bringing their
> notebooks here. In addition to the clients/colleagues, there are 4 others to
> whom I want to give roaming profile abilities, so they can log in to any
> available box and see their stuff and not see the stuff to which they have
> no access. 

Again, this will all happen automagically once you set up a domain 
controller and user access rights.

-- 
Stuart




From djkr at msn.com  Sat Mar  4 19:06:40 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 01:06:40 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <060401c63fe8$d1ff4d50$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV239016B205CA44AF291F6CD2E80@phx.gbl>

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
..)

"Honor your partners, first couple in the middle and swing, then swing your
first corners, ..." - just need an accordion and the all-important *caller*!

I'd leave the burners out of the equation.  Sharing a hard drive and an
optical drive on the same ribbon cable can slow down the hard drive a lot.

HTH, and good luck!

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 00:08
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD


My main squeeze has twin 80 GB drives. Today I bought a 250 GB drive. I want
to burn the image of c:\ to the new drive, then swap them, reboot and be
back where I was a few minutes ago with everything working correctly. I have
an ancient version of Ghost. The current setup is NTFS everywhere. The
ancient version alleges to support NTFS but if memory serves there was a
change a few years back in the NTFS structure; so I am a teensy bit nervous
that the old version won't support the changed structure. My plan thus far
is this (dictated by the complete absence of free space
anywhere): unplug HD #2 (d:\), replace it with the big new drive, run Ghost
or Partition Magic and copy everything from c:\ to the new drive, then swap
the new drive for the old drive c:\, reboot and experience joy. Before I do
anything, I request some feedback -- an assurance this will work, a better
approach, whatever. I am NOT a hardware guy. I prefer to confine my
perspective to the subtleties of SQL etc. The current box has twin 80 GB
disks, both of which have about 6 GB free. Ideally, I would like to move
everything from the existing c:\ to the new disk, then do the same with
everything on the d:\ disk (but I expect that to be more complex, since
numerous pointers will be looking for d:\ not c:\). On Step Two I don't care
to do it immediately, since it will continue to work as is, assuming that I
correctly image existing drive c:\ to the new drive, then remove the old
drive and plonk in the new one. Holes in logic? Superior strategies? More
optimized solution? All advice gratefully accepted. (I also have a CD burner
and a DVD burner connected. Perhaps I should unhook one of these rather than
d:\ and go about it that way.)? TIA, Arthur

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Mar  4 19:14:09 2006
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 01:14:09 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <060401c63fe8$d1ff4d50$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000601c63ff2$1b20ae80$0300a8c0@jt2>

I did a similar thing about a year ago. I had an 80gb drive and a 30gb
drive. I swapped the 30 for a 120, and ghosted the 80 onto it. Then I
partition magic'ed the drive up to 120 instead of the copied 80gb
partitions, and put the 80 in as a d drive... Worked fine for me, using
win2k.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 00:08
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

My main squeeze has twin 80 GB drives. Today I bought a 250 GB drive. I want
to burn the image of c:\ to the new drive, then swap them, reboot and be
back where I was a few minutes ago with everything working correctly.
I have an ancient version of Ghost. The current setup is NTFS everywhere.
The ancient version alleges to support NTFS but if memory serves there was a
change a few years back in the NTFS structure; so I am a teensy bit nervous
that the old version won't support the changed structure.
My plan thus far is this (dictated by the complete absence of free space
anywhere): unplug HD #2 (d:\), replace it with the big new drive, run Ghost
or Partition Magic and copy everything from c:\ to the new drive, then swap
the new drive for the old drive c:\, reboot and experience joy.
Before I do anything, I request some feedback -- an assurance this will
work, a better approach, whatever. I am NOT a hardware guy. I prefer to
confine my perspective to the subtleties of SQL etc. The current box has
twin 80 GB disks, both of which have about 6 GB free. Ideally, I would like
to move everything from the existing c:\ to the new disk, then do the same
with everything on the d:\ disk (but I expect that to be more complex, since
numerous pointers will be looking for d:\ not c:\). On Step Two I don't care
to do it immediately, since it will continue to work as is, assuming that I
correctly image existing drive c:\ to the new drive, then remove the old
drive and plonk in the new one.
Holes in logic?
Superior strategies?
More optimized solution?
All advice gratefully accepted.
(I also have a CD burner and a DVD burner connected. Perhaps I should unhook
one of these rather than d:\ and go about it that way.)?
TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Mar  4 21:33:55 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:33:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV239016B205CA44AF291F6CD2E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <062c01c64005$a1ff6000$8e01a8c0@rock>

Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said was,
"The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your CD-burner and
DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at bootup and choose
which master to boot."
I know so little about this stuff that I am not even sure your position
differs from his.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
..)




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar  5 00:31:14 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:31:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <062c01c64005$a1ff6000$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <BAY106-DAV239016B205CA44AF291F6CD2E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <440B1252.12576.4267DCD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Mar 2006 at 22:33, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
> Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
> opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said was,
> "The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your CD-burner and
> DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at bootup and choose
> which master to boot." I know so little about this stuff that I am not even
> sure your position differs from his.
> 

It gets quite complicate, but one key factor is
"There are several reasons why optical drives (or other ATAPI devices) 
should not be shared on the same channel as a fast hard disk. ATAPI allows 
the use of the same physical channels as IDE/ATA, but it is not the same 
protocol; ATAPI uses a much more complicated command structure. Opticals 
are also generally much slower devices than hard disks, so they can slow a 
hard disk down when sharing a channel."

See

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm
for all the gory details and 
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendations.ht
ml for recommended configurations in different situations. 

-- 
Stuart




From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Mar  5 06:08:31 2006
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:08:31 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <062c01c64005$a1ff6000$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000701c6404d$855d46e0$0300a8c0@jt2>

The other guy was wrong - the drives only go as "fast" as the slowest thing
on the cable. So put your hard drives on one cable and your cd/dvd drives on
the other.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 03:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said was,
"The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your CD-burner and
DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at bootup and choose
which master to boot."
I know so little about this stuff that I am not even sure your position
differs from his.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
..)


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Sun Mar  5 20:39:46 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:39:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <000701c6404d$855d46e0$0300a8c0@jt2>
Message-ID: <009901c640c7$3c49d8e0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I agree with Jon.  The slowest device will determine the speed of disk
access. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:09 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

The other guy was wrong - the drives only go as "fast" as the slowest thing
on the cable. So put your hard drives on one cable and your cd/dvd drives on
the other.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 03:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said was,
"The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your CD-burner and
DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at bootup and choose
which master to boot."
I know so little about this stuff that I am not even sure your position
differs from his.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
..)


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From darsant at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 23:14:02 2006
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:14:02 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <009901c640c7$3c49d8e0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000701c6404d$855d46e0$0300a8c0@jt2>
	<009901c640c7$3c49d8e0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0603052114w5c6c72dah6e9d4cd94afab77c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/06, John Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I agree with Jon.  The slowest device will determine the speed of disk
> access.

How's that work?

I would have figured the bottleneck would be at the source of the
bottleneck. If you use a ATA 33 cable, you're capped at 33, if you use
an ATA 66/100, you've got independant channels for each device, and
thus shouldn't have any problem between the drives, unless of course
you're using an old controller that doesn't support the higher
standards.

Can you post a link to somewhere that explains that the controllers
clock-down to the lowest device on the independant cables?

Thanks,
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar  6 00:08:19 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:08:19 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0603052114w5c6c72dah6e9d4cd94afab77c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009901c640c7$3c49d8e0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <440C5E73.20822.1755388@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Mar 2006 at 23:14, Josh McFarlane wrote:

> How's that work?
> 
> I would have figured the bottleneck would be at the source of the
> bottleneck. If you use a ATA 33 cable, you're capped at 33, if you use
> an ATA 66/100, you've got independant channels for each device, and
> thus shouldn't have any problem between the drives, unless of course
> you're using an old controller that doesn't support the higher
> standards.
> 
> Can you post a link to somewhere that explains that the controllers
> clock-down to the lowest device on the independant cables?
> 

I posted it over the weekend:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm
for all the gory details and 
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendations.ht
ml for recommended configurations in different situations. 
-- 
Stuart




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Mar  6 02:39:57 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:39:57 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <440C5E73.20822.1755388@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV2417C6E3861D53944CB893D2E90@phx.gbl>

Of course the real answer is to go SATA for HDDs.  Better for several
reasons.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 06 March 2006 06:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD


On 5 Mar 2006 at 23:14, Josh McFarlane wrote:

> How's that work?
> 
> I would have figured the bottleneck would be at the source of the 
> bottleneck. If you use a ATA 33 cable, you're capped at 33, if you use 
> an ATA 66/100, you've got independant channels for each device, and 
> thus shouldn't have any problem between the drives, unless of course 
> you're using an old controller that doesn't support the higher 
> standards.
> 
> Can you post a link to somewhere that explains that the controllers 
> clock-down to the lowest device on the independant cables?
> 

I posted it over the weekend:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm
for all the gory details and 
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendationsht
ml for recommended configurations in different situations. 
-- 
Stuart


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar  6 03:34:34 2006
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:34:34 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF3CB61B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Stuart

Finaly have an answer why a new ATA cable has 80-wires and only 40-pin
connectors.
It didn't make any sense to me until I read your posting...

Again one of those little and unimportant questions in my life that
never keep me awake, finaly got resolved.

Thank you Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

On 5 Mar 2006 at 23:14, Josh McFarlane wrote:

> How's that work?
> 
> I would have figured the bottleneck would be at the source of the 
> bottleneck. If you use a ATA 33 cable, you're capped at 33, if you use

> an ATA 66/100, you've got independant channels for each device, and 
> thus shouldn't have any problem between the drives, unless of course 
> you're using an old controller that doesn't support the higher 
> standards.
> 
> Can you post a link to somewhere that explains that the controllers 
> clock-down to the lowest device on the independant cables?
> 

I posted it over the weekend:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm
for all the gory details and
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendation
s.ht
ml for recommended configurations in different situations. 
--
Stuart


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Mar  6 03:36:57 2006
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:36:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF3CB61C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Not entirely true.

It is also known to keep your OS on one disk (channel) and your data on
another disk (channel) so they can work simulteaniously...
(not pausing each other)

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

I agree with Jon.  The slowest device will determine the speed of disk
access. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:09 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

The other guy was wrong - the drives only go as "fast" as the slowest
thing on the cable. So put your hard drives on one cable and your cd/dvd
drives on the other.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 03:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said
was, "The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your
CD-burner and DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at
bootup and choose which master to boot."
I know so little about this stuff that I am not even sure your position
differs from his.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't
give them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under
Win XP, use Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \
Disk Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential
C:\ you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\
while you figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\
some temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so
you can copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s
drive letter to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully
working system with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the
pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in
case
..)


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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Mar  6 06:52:04 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:52:04 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <440C5E73.20822.1755388@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV237265839649BCFEC9DF48D2E90@phx.gbl>

Just a word of caution regarding Stuart's links (which are actually the same
article, reprinted).

The article appears to have been written at least six years ago.  While it
*may* have been accurate at the time (and it does contradict itself), it is
rather antiquated in computer terms: "I wouldn't look for Serial ATA to even
be introduced to the market until late 2001 or even 2002."  So when it
refers to "the last five years" it's talking about the last century!

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 06 March 2006 06:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD


On 5 Mar 2006 at 23:14, Josh McFarlane wrote:

> How's that work?
> 
> I would have figured the bottleneck would be at the source of the 
> bottleneck. If you use a ATA 33 cable, you're capped at 33, if you use 
> an ATA 66/100, you've got independant channels for each device, and 
> thus shouldn't have any problem between the drives, unless of course 
> you're using an old controller that doesn't support the higher 
> standards.
> 
> Can you post a link to somewhere that explains that the controllers 
> clock-down to the lowest device on the independant cables?
> 

I posted it over the weekend:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm
for all the gory details and 
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendationsht
ml for recommended configurations in different situations. 
-- 
Stuart


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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Mar  6 08:06:22 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:06:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF3CB61C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <00a201c64127$27559d10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, of course that is true, but when you get to that level of complexity,
having a pair of pairs of IDEs becomes a limitation and you throw a new
controller out there to handle the dvd/cd players.  Then your built-in (and
higher speed) IDE controllers are available to just put disks on.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Not entirely true.

It is also known to keep your OS on one disk (channel) and your data on
another disk (channel) so they can work simulteaniously...
(not pausing each other)

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

I agree with Jon.  The slowest device will determine the speed of disk
access. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:09 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

The other guy was wrong - the drives only go as "fast" as the slowest thing
on the cable. So put your hard drives on one cable and your cd/dvd drives on
the other.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 March 2006 03:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Thanks for the detailed explanation and recipe!
Your last comment struck me particularly, since I was told precisely the
opposite by somebody. Not to say you or he is right, but what he said was,
"The best way to lay it out is both HDs as masters, and your CD-burner and
DVD-burner as slaves. That way, you can enter the BIOS at bootup and choose
which master to boot."
I know so little about this stuff that I am not even sure your position
differs from his.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Hi Arthur

I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).  

Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)

I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.  

I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
..)


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar  6 12:09:19 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:09:19 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <00a201c64127$27559d10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <005e01c64149$16c11b10$9af00651@minster33c3r25>

Hi all
A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free,
spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses
techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking for
specific words. An example he gave me is an email received recently with no
Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's which
changes all the time. Is there anything out there which could detect that as
spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to spot heavy traffic coming from a
certain source and flags it up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a
paid-for service. What do you all think?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar  6 12:56:10 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:56:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <005e01c64149$16c11b10$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00b501c6414f$a2816a50$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Andy,
Not free but of the OTS apps I've tried, CA's Anti-Spam has worked marvels
for me. I've tried a few others that were pretty good but not as good. CAAS
has been approx. 99% acurate for me with Outlook 2003. This far surpasses
the previous apps I've tried.

HTH
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey

Hi all
A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free,
spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses
techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking for
specific words. An example he gave me is an email received recently with no
Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's which
changes all the time. Is there anything out there which could detect that as
spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to spot heavy traffic coming from a
certain source and flags it up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a
paid-for service. What do you all think?



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Mar  6 13:08:17 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:08:17 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <00b501c6414f$a2816a50$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <006801c64151$5396dc70$9af00651@minster33c3r25>

Well I'll suggest it but if I know my mate he'll want a freebie. Thanks
John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Bartow
> Sent: 06 March 2006 18:56
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> Not free but of the OTS apps I've tried, CA's Anti-Spam has 
> worked marvels for me. I've tried a few others that were 
> pretty good but not as good. CAAS has been approx. 99% 
> acurate for me with Outlook 2003. This far surpasses the 
> previous apps I've tried.
> 
> HTH
> John B.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> 
> Hi all
> A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to 
> they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest 
> good, free, spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook 
> Express, that uses techniques more sophisticated than putting 
> rules in Outlook looking for specific words. An example he 
> gave me is an email received recently with no Subject and 
> just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's 
> which changes all the time. Is there anything out there which 
> could detect that as spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to 
> spot heavy traffic coming from a certain source and flags it 
> up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a paid-for 
> service. What do you all think?
> 
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Mon Mar  6 14:17:26 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:17:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <006801c64151$5396dc70$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00d101c6415a$fded3080$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The issue is with Outlook Express, which doesn't have a programming model
like Outlook does. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....

Well I'll suggest it but if I know my mate he'll want a freebie. Thanks
John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Bartow
> Sent: 06 March 2006 18:56
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> Not free but of the OTS apps I've tried, CA's Anti-Spam has worked 
> marvels for me. I've tried a few others that were pretty good but not 
> as good. CAAS has been approx. 99% acurate for me with Outlook 2003. 
> This far surpasses the previous apps I've tried.
> 
> HTH
> John B.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> 
> Hi all
> A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to 
> they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free, 
> spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses 
> techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking 
> for specific words. An example he gave me is an email received 
> recently with no Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of 
> those sent-by's which changes all the time. Is there anything out 
> there which could detect that as spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics 
> to spot heavy traffic coming from a certain source and flags it up tht 
> way, but I'd guess that that's always a paid-for service. What do you 
> all think?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar  6 15:51:08 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:51:08 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <005e01c64149$16c11b10$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
References: <00a201c64127$27559d10$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <440D3B6C.29193.4D47FB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Mar 2006 at 18:09, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi all
> A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
> they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free,
> spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses
> techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking for
> specific words. An example he gave me is an email received recently with no
> Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's which
> changes all the time. Is there anything out there which could detect that as
> spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to spot heavy traffic coming from a
> certain source and flags it up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a
> paid-for service. What do you all think?
> 

You don't want "spam blocking" software. You want software which classifies 
and tags email so that you can apply simple rules in your email client to 
separate, filter  and possibly delete spam.  There's a subtle difference.

There are a couple of excellent freeware "bayesian filter" programs to do 
this.

Best one is POPFile.  http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

Another good one which is simple to set up is K9. http://keir.net/k9.html

-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Mon Mar  6 19:18:59 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:18:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
In-Reply-To: <440AC130.661.2E9914B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <016601c64185$1cb94ec0$8e01a8c0@rock>

I have one machine that is running Windows 2003 Server, but it so far is
defined as part of the workgroup. How can I nuke the workgroup and then
retroactively set up this box as the primary domain controller? In the short
term, I don't care that while I reorganize everything I lose connectivity to
the ancillary boxes, because that's all they are -- ancillary. So I feel
quite free to nuke the workgroup, then create the domain and establish this
box as the primary domain controller, then create the required users and
then bring each box into the domain.
I don't want to digress, but we are venturing close to the topic about what
I really want, whose one-word answer I have been led to believe is
ActiveDirectory. What I really want is that any of the known users be able
to sit at any computer and login and have her Outlook file, her Favourites,
Recent Documents list, etc. etc. available at once. I have lived on systems
set up like this, but I didn't set them up and I have no idea how it's done.
But that is my ultimate goal: 10 users, 3 of whom bring notebooks and
connect via the wireless router, and the system knows who they are and knows
which directories are available to them, etc. 
In the case of the latter 3, who are all clients, they should be able to
access their client-specific directory on the server, and a few other
directories, but not the whole world.
In the case of, let's call them resident-users, of whom there are 8, they
should be able to see their own data plus selected directories located here
and there. Two of these 8 are fictional persons that I created to test the
functionality of limited access. One is a user and the other is a developer
(the latter so I can test VSS, Visual Studio 2005's concept of partial
classes, etc.).
Exactly two persons (me and my trusted colleague) can see everything
everywhere.
The immediate problems, I surmise from your reply, are:
1. nuke the workgroup;
2. retroactively reconfig the W23Server box to be the primary domain
controller.
I need help with both these steps.
Thanks!
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: March 4, 2006 7:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Way back when, I set up my home network, back when I knew even less than I
> do now, which is almost nothing. When it asked if I wanted to set up a
> domain, I assumed that it meant an internet domain, which I didn't have,
so
> I chose Workgroup. I would now like to change this, and ultimately arrive
at
> an Active Directory solution, replete with roaming profiles, so that no
> matter which box I am on, I see the same Outlook files, the same
shortcuts,
> etc. In short, how do I get from here to there?   Should I just remove
> everyone from the workgroup, then destroy the workgroup, then create a
> domain, then add the boxes to the domain, and finally add the users? If
not
> this, then what? 

Assuming that you are using workstation OSs (2KPro, XPPro), you will need 
to upgrade the OS on one machine to a Server version or instal a new server 
with the appropriate OS.  When you do the update, you set up that machine 
as the Primary Domain Controller.

You then create user accounts on that server for all of your users.

Once you have the domain controller set up, on each workstation  change the 
Network properties to be part of a domain and enter the domain name. Then 
just follow the prompts to connect.

>I have tried a few googles and got nowhere useful. One more
> thing. I have purchased a wireless router, but not yet set it up. The
> intended purpose of this box is to allow immediate access to my network to
> several selected people only: clients and colleagues. I want a client to
be
> able to visit, turn on her notebook and immediately have access to my
> network -- not complete unfettered access, of course, but access to areas
of
> interest to her. 

As long as you are using NTFS on all machines, once you hae set up a domain 
with a PDC,  you can restrict access to any resource on any machine based 
on the user logon.   Using wireless access to your network, if they have 
the relevant encryption key, they will be able to log on to your network 
and use whatever resources you have made available to them. 

> The list of clients/colleagues is small; less than 10 --
> and the only way they will ever access the network is by bringing their
> notebooks here. In addition to the clients/colleagues, there are 4 others
to
> whom I want to give roaming profile abilities, so they can log in to any
> available box and see their stuff and not see the stuff to which they have
> no access. 

Again, this will all happen automagically once you set up a domain 
controller and user access rights.

-- 
Stuart



From artful at rogers.com  Mon Mar  6 19:24:18 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:24:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV2417C6E3861D53944CB893D2E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <016901c64185$db5feaf0$8e01a8c0@rock>

Can one retrofit an old P4 1.5 Gz. Asus box or should I just turn it into a
print server and buy something new?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 6, 2006 3:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Of course the real answer is to go SATA for HDDs.  Better for several
reasons.

John




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar  6 19:27:57 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:27:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
In-Reply-To: <016601c64185$1cb94ec0$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <440AC130.661.2E9914B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <440D6E3D.26383.59AFEE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Mar 2006 at 20:18, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have one machine that is running Windows 2003 Server, but it so far is
> defined as part of the workgroup. How can I nuke the workgroup and then
> retroactively set up this box as the primary domain controller? 

Run the DCPROMO utility on the server and "promote" it to a "Primary Domain 
Controller"
Once you've done that, you can create the AD users.


-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar  6 19:30:09 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:30:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <016901c64185$db5feaf0$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <BAY106-DAV2417C6E3861D53944CB893D2E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <440D6EC1.14792.59D0273@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Mar 2006 at 20:24, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Can one retrofit an old P4 1.5 Gz. Asus box or should I just turn it into a
> print server and buy something new?
> 

You can buy a basic SATA card to stick in the P$ for well under $50.

 -- 
Stuart




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Mar  6 19:36:03 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 01:36:03 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <016901c64185$db5feaf0$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV10E69C3236FB78A3CE7A00D2EE0@phx.gbl>

I put a PCI SATA RAID card into an almost-as-old 1.8GHz box a couple of
years ago, to drive a pair of 120GB SATA drives.  Still running happily.
But, hey, why not buy something new - bigger, faster, better, etc ... ?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 07 March 2006 01:24
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD


Can one retrofit an old P4 1.5 Gz. Asus box or should I just turn it into a
print server and buy something new?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: March 6, 2006 3:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

Of course the real answer is to go SATA for HDDs.  Better for several
reasons.

John


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Mar  6 20:21:07 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:51:07 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE3938@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

There's really no such thing as 'Nuking the workgroup'.

Basically, if you're not part of a domain, then you're in a workgroup.
But being part of a 'workgroup' really means nothing.  It doesn't
functionally do much at all. 

The only issue you're going to have out of those below, is access to
emails from every machine.  It means you'll have to place your mail
folders at a central location.  How are they accessing it currently?  I
assume you're not using exchange.

A 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:49 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

I have one machine that is running Windows 2003 Server, but it so far is
defined as part of the workgroup. How can I nuke the workgroup and then
retroactively set up this box as the primary domain controller? In the
short term, I don't care that while I reorganize everything I lose
connectivity to the ancillary boxes, because that's all they are --
ancillary. So I feel quite free to nuke the workgroup, then create the
domain and establish this box as the primary domain controller, then
create the required users and then bring each box into the domain.
I don't want to digress, but we are venturing close to the topic about
what I really want, whose one-word answer I have been led to believe is
ActiveDirectory. What I really want is that any of the known users be
able to sit at any computer and login and have her Outlook file, her
Favourites, Recent Documents list, etc. etc. available at once. I have
lived on systems set up like this, but I didn't set them up and I have
no idea how it's done.
But that is my ultimate goal: 10 users, 3 of whom bring notebooks and
connect via the wireless router, and the system knows who they are and
knows which directories are available to them, etc. 
In the case of the latter 3, who are all clients, they should be able to
access their client-specific directory on the server, and a few other
directories, but not the whole world.
In the case of, let's call them resident-users, of whom there are 8,
they should be able to see their own data plus selected directories
located here and there. Two of these 8 are fictional persons that I
created to test the functionality of limited access. One is a user and
the other is a developer (the latter so I can test VSS, Visual Studio
2005's concept of partial classes, etc.).
Exactly two persons (me and my trusted colleague) can see everything
everywhere.
The immediate problems, I surmise from your reply, are:
1. nuke the workgroup;
2. retroactively reconfig the W23Server box to be the primary domain
controller.
I need help with both these steps.
Thanks!
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: March 4, 2006 7:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Way back when, I set up my home network, back when I knew even less 
> than I do now, which is almost nothing. When it asked if I wanted to 
> set up a domain, I assumed that it meant an internet domain, which I 
> didn't have,
so
> I chose Workgroup. I would now like to change this, and ultimately 
> arrive
at
> an Active Directory solution, replete with roaming profiles, so that 
> no matter which box I am on, I see the same Outlook files, the same
shortcuts,
> etc. In short, how do I get from here to there?   Should I just remove
> everyone from the workgroup, then destroy the workgroup, then create a

> domain, then add the boxes to the domain, and finally add the users? 
> If
not
> this, then what? 

Assuming that you are using workstation OSs (2KPro, XPPro), you will
need to upgrade the OS on one machine to a Server version or instal a
new server with the appropriate OS.  When you do the update, you set up
that machine as the Primary Domain Controller.

You then create user accounts on that server for all of your users.

Once you have the domain controller set up, on each workstation  change
the Network properties to be part of a domain and enter the domain name.
Then just follow the prompts to connect.

>I have tried a few googles and got nowhere useful. One more  thing. I 
>have purchased a wireless router, but not yet set it up. The  intended 
>purpose of this box is to allow immediate access to my network to  
>several selected people only: clients and colleagues. I want a client 
>to
be
> able to visit, turn on her notebook and immediately have access to my 
> network -- not complete unfettered access, of course, but access to 
> areas
of
> interest to her. 

As long as you are using NTFS on all machines, once you hae set up a
domain with a PDC,  you can restrict access to any resource on any
machine based 
on the user logon.   Using wireless access to your network, if they have

the relevant encryption key, they will be able to log on to your network
and use whatever resources you have made available to them. 

> The list of clients/colleagues is small; less than 10 -- and the only 
> way they will ever access the network is by bringing their notebooks 
> here. In addition to the clients/colleagues, there are 4 others
to
> whom I want to give roaming profile abilities, so they can log in to 
> any available box and see their stuff and not see the stuff to which 
> they have no access.

Again, this will all happen automagically once you set up a domain
controller and user access rights.

--
Stuart

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Mar  6 20:34:38 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:04:38 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE3939@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Oops, so my recommended steps would basically be:

* Upgrade your server to a DC (DCPromo).
* Create a User account for each of your users (with Roaming Profile
stored on your file server).
* Create a Group called 'WorkStationAdministrators' (see below)
* Create any other Groups required for restricting access to the
filesystem as required.
* Apply group restrictions to the filesystem on your server as required
(ie to your users directories).
* Add each machine to the domain (you do this from each machine
individually)
* Add the WorkstationAdministrators Group to the Local Administrators
group on each machine.

By doing this you can then add the users you wish to the
'WorkstationAdministrators' group in Active Directory, and these users
will have admin privileges on the machine they are logged into. You
could also do something similar with slightly less privileges and place
them in the 'Power Users' group on the local machine instead of the
Local Administrators.

The only other thing to consider is that machines can only be a member
of one domain (at a time). So those users that bring their own laptop (I
assume its their own?) will have to be a member of your domain to get
all this neat stuff to happen.  Ie - they will still be a member of your
domain when they take their machine home - which is not a huge issue as
they should already have 'local' accounts on their laptops that they
will still be able to log into.

Clear as mud?


 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

There's really no such thing as 'Nuking the workgroup'.

Basically, if you're not part of a domain, then you're in a workgroup.
But being part of a 'workgroup' really means nothing.  It doesn't
functionally do much at all. 

The only issue you're going to have out of those below, is access to
emails from every machine.  It means you'll have to place your mail
folders at a central location.  How are they accessing it currently?  I
assume you're not using exchange.

A 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:49 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

I have one machine that is running Windows 2003 Server, but it so far is
defined as part of the workgroup. How can I nuke the workgroup and then
retroactively set up this box as the primary domain controller? In the
short term, I don't care that while I reorganize everything I lose
connectivity to the ancillary boxes, because that's all they are --
ancillary. So I feel quite free to nuke the workgroup, then create the
domain and establish this box as the primary domain controller, then
create the required users and then bring each box into the domain.
I don't want to digress, but we are venturing close to the topic about
what I really want, whose one-word answer I have been led to believe is
ActiveDirectory. What I really want is that any of the known users be
able to sit at any computer and login and have her Outlook file, her
Favourites, Recent Documents list, etc. etc. available at once. I have
lived on systems set up like this, but I didn't set them up and I have
no idea how it's done.
But that is my ultimate goal: 10 users, 3 of whom bring notebooks and
connect via the wireless router, and the system knows who they are and
knows which directories are available to them, etc. 
In the case of the latter 3, who are all clients, they should be able to
access their client-specific directory on the server, and a few other
directories, but not the whole world.
In the case of, let's call them resident-users, of whom there are 8,
they should be able to see their own data plus selected directories
located here and there. Two of these 8 are fictional persons that I
created to test the functionality of limited access. One is a user and
the other is a developer (the latter so I can test VSS, Visual Studio
2005's concept of partial classes, etc.).
Exactly two persons (me and my trusted colleague) can see everything
everywhere.
The immediate problems, I surmise from your reply, are:
1. nuke the workgroup;
2. retroactively reconfig the W23Server box to be the primary domain
controller.
I need help with both these steps.
Thanks!
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: March 4, 2006 7:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

On 4 Mar 2006 at 19:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Way back when, I set up my home network, back when I knew even less 
> than I do now, which is almost nothing. When it asked if I wanted to 
> set up a domain, I assumed that it meant an internet domain, which I 
> didn't have,
so
> I chose Workgroup. I would now like to change this, and ultimately 
> arrive
at
> an Active Directory solution, replete with roaming profiles, so that 
> no matter which box I am on, I see the same Outlook files, the same
shortcuts,
> etc. In short, how do I get from here to there?   Should I just remove
> everyone from the workgroup, then destroy the workgroup, then create a

> domain, then add the boxes to the domain, and finally add the users? 
> If
not
> this, then what? 

Assuming that you are using workstation OSs (2KPro, XPPro), you will
need to upgrade the OS on one machine to a Server version or instal a
new server with the appropriate OS.  When you do the update, you set up
that machine as the Primary Domain Controller.

You then create user accounts on that server for all of your users.

Once you have the domain controller set up, on each workstation  change
the Network properties to be part of a domain and enter the domain name.
Then just follow the prompts to connect.

>I have tried a few googles and got nowhere useful. One more  thing. I 
>have purchased a wireless router, but not yet set it up. The  intended 
>purpose of this box is to allow immediate access to my network to 
>several selected people only: clients and colleagues. I want a client 
>to
be
> able to visit, turn on her notebook and immediately have access to my 
> network -- not complete unfettered access, of course, but access to 
> areas
of
> interest to her. 

As long as you are using NTFS on all machines, once you hae set up a
domain with a PDC,  you can restrict access to any resource on any
machine based 
on the user logon.   Using wireless access to your network, if they have

the relevant encryption key, they will be able to log on to your network
and use whatever resources you have made available to them. 

> The list of clients/colleagues is small; less than 10 -- and the only 
> way they will ever access the network is by bringing their notebooks 
> here. In addition to the clients/colleagues, there are 4 others
to
> whom I want to give roaming profile abilities, so they can log in to 
> any available box and see their stuff and not see the stuff to which 
> they have no access.

Again, this will all happen automagically once you set up a domain
controller and user access rights.

--
Stuart

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar  6 20:40:23 2006
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:40:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <440D3B6C.29193.4D47FB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <005e01c64149$16c11b10$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP02DCBB2CBC02E8868F3EC0AEEE0@CEZ.ICE>

On 7 Mar 2006 at 7:51, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> You don't want "spam blocking" software. You want software which
> classifies and tags email so that you can apply simple rules in your
> email client to separate, filter  and possibly delete spam.  There's a
> subtle difference.

I'll second this. this givves you the opportunity to "train" the 
software as to what is and isn't spam and you can verify that the 
spam is truely spam and not misclassified ham (good e-mail)  

 
> There are a couple of excellent freeware "bayesian filter" programs to
> do this.
> 
> Best one is POPFile.  http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Another good one which is simple to set up is K9.
> http://keir.net/k9.html

I will second both of these recommendations. I have used both and 
they are both are excelent.

I used to use K9 primarily, but since my ISP does filtering that I 
CAN'T turn off ($#&*#$ idiots) I get less than 10 per week in my 
inbox. So I don't bother anymore.

The best part about these types of apps are that they sit between 
your e-mail client and you ISPs mail servers, so they "integrate" 
with any e-mail client and your mate can change to a good e-mail 
client (like Pegasus Mail :-) without losing any of the spam 
training.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a 
warning  to others. 




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar  6 20:54:56 2006
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:54:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
In-Reply-To: <060501c63fea$ab8bf090$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35058@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP06847080CC54B98743BE03AEEE0@CEZ.ICE>

Someone that has actually used Roaming Profiles, please correct me if 
I'm wrong, but....

IIRC the things I have read say that if you use Raoming profiles, you 
should not save your files to the My Documents folder but to a shared 
network drive, because when you log in, the files get sent down to 
the local My Documents folder and then when you log off, they get 
sent back to the server.

I don't work in a MS shop, and have never used roaming profiles, so 
this could be worng, but I'm sure that I have read about this before 
causing long login and logout times.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never put both feet in your mouth at the same time, because you won't 
have a leg to stand on. 




From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Mar  6 21:32:19 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:02:19 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE393B@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Standard practice with Romaing Porfiles are generally that you have:

1) The Profile itself - stores user settings / preferences etc -
basically, you're registry
2) A 'User' share, which is a folder containing your 'My Documents' /
'My Pictures' folders etc.

*Both* of these are stored centrally on a network share - only the
Profile (1) is copied to the users machines when he/she logs in.

Upon logging off it is saved back to the server (depending on policy it
is either deleted from the local machine or a copy is retained).

So the My Docs folder etc, are generally kept on the network share and
not copied to the local machine*.  This allows easy access from any
machine as well as a central location to perform backups etc.

(* when using a feature called 'off-line files' this can be configured
differently)

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 1:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain

Someone that has actually used Roaming Profiles, please correct me if
I'm wrong, but....

IIRC the things I have read say that if you use Raoming profiles, you
should not save your files to the My Documents folder but to a shared
network drive, because when you log in, the files get sent down to the
local My Documents folder and then when you log off, they get sent back
to the server.

I don't work in a MS shop, and have never used roaming profiles, so this
could be worng, but I'm sure that I have read about this before causing
long login and logout times.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never put both feet in your
mouth at the same time, because you won't have a leg to stand on. 


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Mar  6 21:34:10 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:04:10 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE393D@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

>> 1) The Profile itself - stores user settings / preferences etc - 
>> basically, you're registry

Damn spell checker.  Should have been 'your' - apologies.


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Mar  7 01:58:57 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:58:57 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP02DCBB2CBC02E8868F3EC0AEEE0@CEZ.ICE>
Message-ID: <000601c641bc$fdf9c720$b4a70c54@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Stuart and Bryan. I'll pass these on. Will try them myself too
probably.

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 07 March 2006 02:40
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
> 
> 
> On 7 Mar 2006 at 7:51, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > You don't want "spam blocking" software. You want software which 
> > classifies and tags email so that you can apply simple 
> rules in your 
> > email client to separate, filter  and possibly delete spam. 
>  There's a 
> > subtle difference.
> 
> I'll second this. this givves you the opportunity to "train" the 
> software as to what is and isn't spam and you can verify that the 
> spam is truely spam and not misclassified ham (good e-mail)  
> 
>  
> > There are a couple of excellent freeware "bayesian filter" 
> programs to 
> > do this.
> > 
> > Best one is POPFile.  http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
> > 
> > Another good one which is simple to set up is K9. 
> > http://keir.net/k9.html
> 
> I will second both of these recommendations. I have used both and 
> they are both are excelent.
> 
> I used to use K9 primarily, but since my ISP does filtering that I 
> CAN'T turn off ($#&*#$ idiots) I get less than 10 per week in my 
> inbox. So I don't bother anymore.
> 
> The best part about these types of apps are that they sit between 
> your e-mail client and you ISPs mail servers, so they "integrate" 
> with any e-mail client and your mate can change to a good e-mail 
> client (like Pegasus Mail :-) without losing any of the spam 
> training.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a 
> warning  to others. 
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  7 02:35:10 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:35:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
Message-ID: <s40d53e7.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Yes and yes. And you'll have two machines. Or one and a backup, at least for a while - if you only need one, pass the old to charity.

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 07-03-2006 02:24:18 >>>
Can one retrofit an old P4 1.5 Gz. Asus box or should I just turn it into a
print server and buy something new?




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  7 02:44:18 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:44:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kill a Workgroup and Replace it with a Domain
Message-ID: <s40d5605.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

You may address this to William. He is such a fan of roaming profiles due to all the pleasure they have given him ...!
It will bring back memories.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at sympatico.ca 07-03-2006 03:54:56 >>>
Someone that has actually used Roaming Profiles, please correct me if I'm wrong, but....




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Mar  7 09:33:46 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:33:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3508A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35097@ADGSERVER>

I did not see this make it to the list.  Sorry if it is a repeat.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 7:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....


Andy,

I use Outlook and Spambayes.  http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/index.html

There is an add-in for Outlook, but it looks like they can install a proxy
between the POP3 server and an email client (such as Outlook Express).
>From their site: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
Non Outlook Solutions
Windows users using other mail clients and retrieving mail via POP3 can
download the same installation program and use it to install a binary
version of sb_server, including a tray application.

See also the information about sb_server.

If you retrieve mail via IMAP, you currently need to install a recent
version of Python and the SpamBayes source, then setup the IMAP filter) for
your mail server. 


Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....


Hi all
A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free,
spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses
techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking for
specific words. An example he gave me is an email received recently with no
Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's which
changes all the time. Is there anything out there which could detect that as
spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to spot heavy traffic coming from a
certain source and flags it up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a
paid-for service. What do you all think?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Mar  7 06:33:08 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:33:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D5BB80@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D3508A@ADGSERVER>

Andy,

I use Outlook and Spambayes.  http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/index.html

There is an add-in for Outlook, but it looks like they can install a proxy
between the POP3 server and an email client (such as Outlook Express).
>From their site: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
Non Outlook Solutions
Windows users using other mail clients and retrieving mail via POP3 can
download the same installation program and use it to install a binary
version of sb_server, including a tray application.

See also the information about sb_server.

If you retrieve mail via IMAP, you currently need to install a recent
version of Python and the SpamBayes source, then setup the IMAP filter) for
your mail server. 


Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....


Hi all
A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest good, free,
spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook Express, that uses
techniques more sophisticated than putting rules in Outlook looking for
specific words. An example he gave me is an email received recently with no
Subject and just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's which
changes all the time. Is there anything out there which could detect that as
spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to spot heavy traffic coming from a
certain source and flags it up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a
paid-for service. What do you all think?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:49:13 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:49:13 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <006801c64151$5396dc70$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
References: <00b501c6414f$a2816a50$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<006801c64151$5396dc70$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <b874372a0603071649ya9cb793x4ae61e67e12c975@mail.gmail.com>

how about adopting thunderbird?  it's very outlook express-ish , and comes
with built in spam blocking tools.  I of course perfer gmail now, but at
home on my home email address I still use thunderbird to help weed out the
occasional spam...



On 3/6/06, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Well I'll suggest it but if I know my mate he'll want a freebie. Thanks
> John.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > John Bartow
> > Sent: 06 March 2006 18:56
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > Not free but of the OTS apps I've tried, CA's Anti-Spam has
> > worked marvels for me. I've tried a few others that were
> > pretty good but not as good. CAAS has been approx. 99%
> > acurate for me with Outlook 2003. This far surpasses the
> > previous apps I've tried.
> >
> > HTH
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> >
> > Hi all
> > A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
> > they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest
> > good, free, spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook
> > Express, that uses techniques more sophisticated than putting
> > rules in Outlook looking for specific words. An example he
> > gave me is an email received recently with no Subject and
> > just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's
> > which changes all the time. Is there anything out there which
> > could detect that as spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to
> > spot heavy traffic coming from a certain source and flags it
> > up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a paid-for
> > service. What do you all think?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Mar  7 19:31:37 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:31:37 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0603071649ya9cb793x4ae61e67e12c975@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b501c6414f$a2816a50$7501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<006801c64151$5396dc70$9af00651@minster33c3r25>
	<b874372a0603071649ya9cb793x4ae61e67e12c975@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440E33F9.7090705@san.rr.com>

Occasional spam?  Lucky you. 

I don't get that many, 10-30 a day.  And I switched to Thunderbird a 
month ago or so.  But it never seems to get over about 50% of the spam.  
Is there some way to train it better?

Rocky


Francisco Tapia wrote:
> how about adopting thunderbird?  it's very outlook express-ish , and comes
> with built in spam blocking tools.  I of course perfer gmail now, but at
> home on my home email address I still use thunderbird to help weed out the
> occasional spam...
>
>
>
> On 3/6/06, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Well I'll suggest it but if I know my mate he'll want a freebie. Thanks
>> John.
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> John Bartow
>>> Sent: 06 March 2006 18:56
>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>> Not free but of the OTS apps I've tried, CA's Anti-Spam has
>>> worked marvels for me. I've tried a few others that were
>>> pretty good but not as good. CAAS has been approx. 99%
>>> acurate for me with Outlook 2003. This far surpasses the
>>> previous apps I've tried.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> John B.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> A mate has asked my advice, so I'm bringing the question to
>>> they-who-know-everything (ie you lot). Can anyone suggest
>>> good, free, spam-blocking software, compatible with Outlook
>>> Express, that uses techniques more sophisticated than putting
>>> rules in Outlook looking for specific words. An example he
>>> gave me is an email received recently with no Subject and
>>> just an image in the Body, oh and one of those sent-by's
>>> which changes all the time. Is there anything out there which
>>> could detect that as spam? At work our ISP uses heuristics to
>>> spot heavy traffic coming from a certain source and flags it
>>> up tht way, but I'd guess that that's always a paid-for
>>> service. What do you all think?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> -Francisco
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> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 08:38:33 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:38:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080638n66cfe12u1aaee531321e7822@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

In my recent re-format and re-installation of everything on my PC I
re-installed Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.  One thing that has
been missing since I installed it is the Most Recently Used file list
in every application.

For example, I go into Word 2003 and select Tools | Options | General.
 The option for the number of Recently used file list entries is
unavailable.  There's no number in the spinner box for number of
documents most recently used.

This is the situation with Access and Excel, too.  It's interesting
how annoying it is to walk through the directory tree every time I
want to use a document or a database I worked on just yesterday.

How do I turn this feature ON again?

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 08:42:25 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:42:25 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84979@ALCUXB>

Steve

If it's any help, in Excel 2000 if you got to Options, General there's a
tick box there that enables it, along with how many previous entries you
want to display.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
Sent: 08 March 2006 14:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list


Dear Group,

In my recent re-format and re-installation of everything on my PC I
re-installed Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.  One thing that has
been missing since I installed it is the Most Recently Used file list
in every application.

For example, I go into Word 2003 and select Tools | Options | General.
 The option for the number of Recently used file list entries is
unavailable.  There's no number in the spinner box for number of
documents most recently used.

This is the situation with Access and Excel, too.  It's interesting
how annoying it is to walk through the directory tree every time I
want to use a document or a database I worked on just yesterday.

How do I turn this feature ON again?

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 08:44:59 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:44:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV239016B205CA44AF291F6CD2E80@phx.gbl>
References: <060401c63fe8$d1ff4d50$8e01a8c0@rock>
	<BAY106-DAV239016B205CA44AF291F6CD2E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080644q4423e99fwa53db291522c016d@mail.gmail.com>

John,

I'm sort of confused by this.  I just had to do this, more or less, to
my wife's PC, though instead of installing a new drive, I wanted to
take her Ghosted back-up drive and make it the new Drive C:.  Well, of
course, Windows sees the different drive serial number and won't boot
up if you simply swap the IDE cables.

Does this scheme solve the problem of Windows XP "choking" on a drive
with a different "signature"?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On 3/4/06, DJK(John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I used
> Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).
>
> Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new disc
> into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But don't give
> them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  Under Win XP, use
> Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer Management \ Disk
> Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)
>
> I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action
> temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential C:\
> you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ while you
> figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.
>
> I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk
> Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ some
> temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, so you can
> copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old D:\'s drive letter
> to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have a fully working system
> with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, and all the pointers happy and
> unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in case
> ..)
>
> "Honor your partners, first couple in the middle and swing, then swing your
> first corners, ..." - just need an accordion and the all-important *caller*!
>
> I'd leave the burners out of the equation.  Sharing a hard drive and an
> optical drive on the same ribbon cable can slow down the hard drive a lot.
>
> HTH, and good luck!
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 05 March 2006 00:08
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
>
>
> My main squeeze has twin 80 GB drives. Today I bought a 250 GB drive. I want
> to burn the image of c:\ to the new drive, then swap them, reboot and be
> back where I was a few minutes ago with everything working correctly. I have
> an ancient version of Ghost. The current setup is NTFS everywhere. The
> ancient version alleges to support NTFS but if memory serves there was a
> change a few years back in the NTFS structure; so I am a teensy bit nervous
> that the old version won't support the changed structure. My plan thus far
> is this (dictated by the complete absence of free space
> anywhere): unplug HD #2 (d:\), replace it with the big new drive, run Ghost
> or Partition Magic and copy everything from c:\ to the new drive, then swap
> the new drive for the old drive c:\, reboot and experience joy. Before I do
> anything, I request some feedback -- an assurance this will work, a better
> approach, whatever. I am NOT a hardware guy. I prefer to confine my
> perspective to the subtleties of SQL etc. The current box has twin 80 GB
> disks, both of which have about 6 GB free. Ideally, I would like to move
> everything from the existing c:\ to the new disk, then do the same with
> everything on the d:\ disk (but I expect that to be more complex, since
> numerous pointers will be looking for d:\ not c:\). On Step Two I don't care
> to do it immediately, since it will continue to work as is, assuming that I
> correctly image existing drive c:\ to the new drive, then remove the old
> drive and plonk in the new one. Holes in logic? Superior strategies? More
> optimized solution? All advice gratefully accepted. (I also have a CD burner
> and a DVD burner connected. Perhaps I should unhook one of these rather than
> d:\ and go about it that way.)? TIA, Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 08:46:25 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:46:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84979@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84979@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080646g6604b766v93b68faae9ef076@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

Oh, I see that check box and spinner thingie all right...it's just
that they're grayed out -- unavailable!  The "Help" just assumes that
you go to that Options tab and check the box and Bob's your uncle. 
Only I CAN'T check the box.  That's the issue.

Steve Erbach

On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Steve
>
> If it's any help, in Excel 2000 if you got to Options, General there's a
> tick box there that enables it, along with how many previous entries you
> want to display.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:39
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> In my recent re-format and re-installation of everything on my PC I
> re-installed Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.  One thing that has
> been missing since I installed it is the Most Recently Used file list
> in every application.


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 08:49:06 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:49:06 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497A@ALCUXB>

Did you include all the features when you reinstalled Office? I always make
sure that everything is set to "run from my computer" (except that bloody
paperclip!) when I'm installing.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
Sent: 08 March 2006 14:46
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MRU list


Jon,

Oh, I see that check box and spinner thingie all right...it's just
that they're grayed out -- unavailable!  The "Help" just assumes that
you go to that Options tab and check the box and Bob's your uncle. 
Only I CAN'T check the box.  That's the issue.

Steve Erbach

On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Steve
>
> If it's any help, in Excel 2000 if you got to Options, General there's a
> tick box there that enables it, along with how many previous entries you
> want to display.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:39
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> In my recent re-format and re-installation of everything on my PC I
> re-installed Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.  One thing that has
> been missing since I installed it is the Most Recently Used file list
> in every application.
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From ralph at inweb.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 09:03:44 2006
From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:03:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Test - ignore
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497A@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <000701c642c1$7ef75ea0$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

Test



From ralph at inweb.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 09:08:02 2006
From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:08:02 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603080638n66cfe12u1aaee531321e7822@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c642c2$18a0ae30$3500000a@RALPHA31P>

 Steve

A couple of links that may help...

http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T1400_The_Case_of_the_Disappearing_MRU_F
ile_List.html

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q284896

Regards,

Ralph Bryce 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: 08 March 2006 14:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list

Dear Group,

In my recent re-format and re-installation of everything on my PC I
re-installed Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.  One thing that has been
missing since I installed it is the Most Recently Used file list in every
application.

For example, I go into Word 2003 and select Tools | Options | General.
 The option for the number of Recently used file list entries is
unavailable.  There's no number in the spinner box for number of documents
most recently used.

This is the situation with Access and Excel, too.  It's interesting how
annoying it is to walk through the directory tree every time I want to use a
document or a database I worked on just yesterday.

How do I turn this feature ON again?

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach



From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 09:09:50 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497A@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497A@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080709ma627fcsb2b9679305d8f2d9@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

I believe that I ran a default installation.  There are some items,
according to the Control Panel, that will be installed the first time
I use them...but the MRU list doesn't seem to me to be a big enough
"feature" that it wouldn't normally be installed.

On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Did you include all the features when you reinstalled Office? I always make
> sure that everything is set to "run from my computer" (except that bloody
> paperclip!) when I'm installing.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:46
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MRU list
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Oh, I see that check box and spinner thingie all right...it's just
> that they're grayed out -- unavailable!  The "Help" just assumes that
> you go to that Options tab and check the box and Bob's your uncle.
> Only I CAN'T check the box.  That's the issue.
>
> Steve Erbach
>
> On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> > Steve
> >
> > If it's any help, in Excel 2000 if you got to Options, General there's a
> > tick box there that enables it, along with how many previous entries you
> > want to display.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >


From djkr at msn.com  Wed Mar  8 09:11:12 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:11:12 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603080644q4423e99fwa53db291522c016d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV1A897543C3812A423ABBDD2EF0@phx.gbl>

Hi Steve

I'm not at all familiar with Ghost, sorry, and I don't know why XP would
'choke' over a drive serial number; why should it, unless perhaps there was
some OEM issue?

As far as I'm concerned, XP just does as it's told, and runs from the new
drive - done this several times with different machines and systems.  Maybe
I'm just blissful because I'm ignorant!

I think you need to bottom out the 'choking' issue.  What does Ghost have to
say about this?  Was the "back-up drive" set up with an active partition and
a copied MBR, both necessary for booting from it?  You say you swapped the
IDE cables:  were the drives on different cables, or just different
connectors on the same cable, in which case did you change the jumpers on
the drives?  And what makes you think it was definitely something to do with
drive serial number?

(end of inquisition!)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: 08 March 2006 14:45
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD


John,

I'm sort of confused by this.  I just had to do this, more or less, to my
wife's PC, though instead of installing a new drive, I wanted to take her
Ghosted back-up drive and make it the new Drive C:.  Well, of course,
Windows sees the different drive serial number and won't boot up if you
simply swap the IDE cables.

Does this scheme solve the problem of Windows XP "choking" on a drive with a
different "signature"?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On 3/4/06, DJK(John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> I'm not an expert in this area, but I have done similar things.  I 
> used Drive Image 7 (not its sibling Partition Magic).
>
> Before you start copying stuff, you might want to partition the new 
> disc into partitions that will in due course become C:\ and D:\  But 
> don't give them drive letters yet:  it's too easy to get snarled up.  
> Under Win XP, use Control Panel \ Administrative Tools \ Computer 
> Management \ Disk Management.  But hey, I'm sure you knew that.  :-)
>
> I think your strategy is sound.  OK, so D:\ will be out of action 
> temporarily, but when you've imaged the old C:\ onto the new potential 
> C:\ you can try switching over to it.  If it fails, go back to old C:\ 
> while you figure out why;  if it works, go on to stage 2.
>
> I'd get on to Stage 2 right away, while you're on a roll!  Use Disk 
> Management to mess with the drive letters:  give the new potential D:\ 
> some temporary letter, say T:\.  Physically swap the old drives over, 
> so you can copy the D:\ contents onto T:\.  OK? Then change the old 
> D:\'s drive letter to X:\, and change T:\ to D:\  You should now have 
> a fully working system with C: and D: drives both on your new disk, 
> and all the pointers happy and
> unchanged: no complexity.  (BUT you still have both old disks, just in
case
> ..)
>
> "Honor your partners, first couple in the middle and swing, then swing 
> your first corners, ..." - just need an accordion and the 
> all-important *caller*!
>
> I'd leave the burners out of the equation.  Sharing a hard drive and 
> an optical drive on the same ribbon cable can slow down the hard drive 
> a lot.
>
> HTH, and good luck!
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 05 March 2006 00:08
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
>
>
> My main squeeze has twin 80 GB drives. Today I bought a 250 GB drive. 
> I want to burn the image of c:\ to the new drive, then swap them, 
> reboot and be back where I was a few minutes ago with everything 
> working correctly. I have an ancient version of Ghost. The current 
> setup is NTFS everywhere. The ancient version alleges to support NTFS 
> but if memory serves there was a change a few years back in the NTFS 
> structure; so I am a teensy bit nervous that the old version won't 
> support the changed structure. My plan thus far is this (dictated by 
> the complete absence of free space
> anywhere): unplug HD #2 (d:\), replace it with the big new drive, run
Ghost
> or Partition Magic and copy everything from c:\ to the new drive, then
swap
> the new drive for the old drive c:\, reboot and experience joy. Before I
do
> anything, I request some feedback -- an assurance this will work, a better
> approach, whatever. I am NOT a hardware guy. I prefer to confine my
> perspective to the subtleties of SQL etc. The current box has twin 80 GB
> disks, both of which have about 6 GB free. Ideally, I would like to move
> everything from the existing c:\ to the new disk, then do the same with
> everything on the d:\ disk (but I expect that to be more complex, since
> numerous pointers will be looking for d:\ not c:\). On Step Two I don't
care
> to do it immediately, since it will continue to work as is, assuming that
I
> correctly image existing drive c:\ to the new drive, then remove the old
> drive and plonk in the new one. Holes in logic? Superior strategies? More
> optimized solution? All advice gratefully accepted. (I also have a CD
burner
> and a DVD burner connected. Perhaps I should unhook one of these rather
than
> d:\ and go about it that way.)? TIA, Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 09:12:10 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:12:10 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497C@ALCUXB>

Yes, I think you're right. I've never seen the MRU not install, but then
again, I always run a full install. It might be worth running setup again
and seeing it it's listed in the features? Or maybe run detect and repair if
2003 has that facility (I've only got that installed at home, and can't
remember).


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
Sent: 08 March 2006 15:10
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MRU list


Jon,

I believe that I ran a default installation.  There are some items,
according to the Control Panel, that will be installed the first time
I use them...but the MRU list doesn't seem to me to be a big enough
"feature" that it wouldn't normally be installed.

On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Did you include all the features when you reinstalled Office? I always
make
> sure that everything is set to "run from my computer" (except that bloody
> paperclip!) when I'm installing.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:46
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MRU list
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Oh, I see that check box and spinner thingie all right...it's just
> that they're grayed out -- unavailable!  The "Help" just assumes that
> you go to that Options tab and check the box and Bob's your uncle.
> Only I CAN'T check the box.  That's the issue.
>
> Steve Erbach
>
> On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> > Steve
> >
> > If it's any help, in Excel 2000 if you got to Options, General there's a
> > tick box there that enables it, along with how many previous entries you
> > want to display.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 09:32:16 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:32:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
In-Reply-To: <000801c642c2$18a0ae30$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
References: <39cb22f30603080638n66cfe12u1aaee531321e7822@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801c642c2$18a0ae30$3500000a@RALPHA31P>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080732w52043e7dx2b8f8aa54aad6df@mail.gmail.com>

Ralph,

There we go.  TweakUI was the "culprit".  I found a "Maintain document
history" option that allows the File menu to maintain a list of recent
documents.

Thank you very much.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On 3/8/06, Ralph Bryce <ralph at inweb.co.uk> wrote:
>  Steve
>
> A couple of links that may help...
>
> http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/T1400_The_Case_of_the_Disappearing_MRU_F
> ile_List.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q284896
>
> Regards,
>
> Ralph Bryce
>


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 09:44:25 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:44:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV1A897543C3812A423ABBDD2EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <39cb22f30603080644q4423e99fwa53db291522c016d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY106-DAV1A897543C3812A423ABBDD2EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080744g2dcc57b1t29c0cb3f960c972@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Oh, I don't mind the inquisition at all.  It focuses my mind on coming
up with the right answer!

I have used Ghost for some years as a quick backup.  Of course, it
isn't completely kosher since the "backup" drive is mounted inside the
PC rather than as an external drive.  In any event I fully expected a
Ghosted drive to simply boot up if my main C: drive went south.  All
I'd have to do would be to make sure the Ghosted drive's jumpers were
set properly and that it was on the primary IDE controller, and voila!
 Up and running.

I tried doing that once some time last year as a test and found that
Windows would not boot all the way and it presented me with a message
saying something about the PC's configuration having changed.  My
understanding from the first days of XP was that Windows kept tabs on
the equipment mounted in your PC, especially the hard disk, in order
to provide a bit more copy protection.  My understanding was that if
you dropped in a validly formatted C: drive from a different system
that Windows would recognize that the rest of the equipment didn't
match its internal record of the PC's configuration and would not
allow you in.  That was my experience the one time I tried it.

To overcome that barrier I just re-installed Windows.  "Just", he
says!  Install and then re-upgrade it with all the security updates
and such.

So your message and those of the others here came as a surprise to me;
that is, it sure sounds like all I would have to do is take my ghosted
drive -- which is SUPPOSED to be byte-for-byte identical with the
original -- and set it up as the C: drive.  That's what I TRIED to do
last year, but Windows wouldn't let me.

The ghosted backup drive wasn't crippled in any way.  As far as I know
it had everything needed for it to be bootable.  The original C: drive
was the master on IDE controller 1 and the ghost drive was the master
on IDE controller 2.  When I say that I swapped the cables that's just
what I did:  put the ghosted drive on IDE 1 and the original C: drive
on IDE 2.

It would just be nice to know that I'm doing something wrong or stupid
if I have to use a ghosted drive to replace a dead C: drive in future
-- without having to go through the travail of re-installing Windows!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On 3/8/06, DJK(John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve
>
> I'm not at all familiar with Ghost, sorry, and I don't know why XP would
> 'choke' over a drive serial number; why should it, unless perhaps there was
> some OEM issue?
>
> As far as I'm concerned, XP just does as it's told, and runs from the new
> drive - done this several times with different machines and systems.  Maybe
> I'm just blissful because I'm ignorant!
>
> I think you need to bottom out the 'choking' issue.  What does Ghost have to
> say about this?  Was the "back-up drive" set up with an active partition and
> a copied MBR, both necessary for booting from it?  You say you swapped the
> IDE cables:  were the drives on different cables, or just different
> connectors on the same cable, in which case did you change the jumpers on
> the drives?  And what makes you think it was definitely something to do with
> drive serial number?
>
> (end of inquisition!)
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:45
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm sort of confused by this.  I just had to do this, more or less, to my
> wife's PC, though instead of installing a new drive, I wanted to take her
> Ghosted back-up drive and make it the new Drive C:.  Well, of course,
> Windows sees the different drive serial number and won't boot up if you
> simply swap the IDE cables.
>
> Does this scheme solve the problem of Windows XP "choking" on a drive with a
> different "signature"?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 09:50:00 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:50:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MRU list
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497C@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC8497C@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603080750q5a9201d3mfd8def2a6bd90f0a@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

It was TweakUI that was the culprit.  The default setting in TweakUI
is to turn the MRU OFF, believe it or not.

Steve Erbach


On 3/8/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I think you're right. I've never seen the MRU not install, but then
> again, I always run a full install. It might be worth running setup again
> and seeing it it's listed in the features? Or maybe run detect and repair if
> 2003 has that facility (I've only got that installed at home, and can't
> remember).
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 March 2006 15:10
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MRU list
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I believe that I ran a default installation.  There are some items,
> according to the Control Panel, that will be installed the first time
> I use them...but the MRU list doesn't seem to me to be a big enough
> "feature" that it wouldn't normally be installed.
>


From artful at rogers.com  Wed Mar  8 21:24:42 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:24:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603080744g2dcc57b1t29c0cb3f960c972@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c64329$01d84a70$8e01a8c0@rock>

A question about Ghost virgins. Mine is dated 1999. Many things have changed
since then. But I have also read several reviews of the new virgins and they
have not been ecstatic, to say the least. So, what should I do? 
a) Attempt to Ghost the current drive c:\ onto some available box with
enough space to handle the Ghost file;
b) unhook either the CD burner or the DVD burner and replace it with the new
big drive and then Ghost it to there;
c) quit computers and programming and open a women's shoe store specializing
in very erotic shoes.
I think I like option c) the best LOL. Certain technologies I know to deal
with.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: March 8, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD

John,

Oh, I don't mind the inquisition at all.  It focuses my mind on coming
up with the right answer!

I have used Ghost for some years as a quick backup.  Of course, it
isn't completely kosher since the "backup" drive is mounted inside the
PC rather than as an external drive.  In any event I fully expected a
Ghosted drive to simply boot up if my main C: drive went south.  All
I'd have to do would be to make sure the Ghosted drive's jumpers were
set properly and that it was on the primary IDE controller, and voila!
 Up and running.

I tried doing that once some time last year as a test and found that
Windows would not boot all the way and it presented me with a message
saying something about the PC's configuration having changed.  My
understanding from the first days of XP was that Windows kept tabs on
the equipment mounted in your PC, especially the hard disk, in order
to provide a bit more copy protection.  My understanding was that if
you dropped in a validly formatted C: drive from a different system
that Windows would recognize that the rest of the equipment didn't
match its internal record of the PC's configuration and would not
allow you in.  That was my experience the one time I tried it.

To overcome that barrier I just re-installed Windows.  "Just", he
says!  Install and then re-upgrade it with all the security updates
and such.

So your message and those of the others here came as a surprise to me;
that is, it sure sounds like all I would have to do is take my ghosted
drive -- which is SUPPOSED to be byte-for-byte identical with the
original -- and set it up as the C: drive.  That's what I TRIED to do
last year, but Windows wouldn't let me.

The ghosted backup drive wasn't crippled in any way.  As far as I know
it had everything needed for it to be bootable.  The original C: drive
was the master on IDE controller 1 and the ghost drive was the master
on IDE controller 2.  When I say that I swapped the cables that's just
what I did:  put the ghosted drive on IDE 1 and the original C: drive
on IDE 2.

It would just be nice to know that I'm doing something wrong or stupid
if I have to use a ghosted drive to replace a dead C: drive in future
-- without having to go through the travail of re-installing Windows!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On 3/8/06, DJK(John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve
>
> I'm not at all familiar with Ghost, sorry, and I don't know why XP would
> 'choke' over a drive serial number; why should it, unless perhaps there
was
> some OEM issue?
>
> As far as I'm concerned, XP just does as it's told, and runs from the new
> drive - done this several times with different machines and systems.
Maybe
> I'm just blissful because I'm ignorant!
>
> I think you need to bottom out the 'choking' issue.  What does Ghost have
to
> say about this?  Was the "back-up drive" set up with an active partition
and
> a copied MBR, both necessary for booting from it?  You say you swapped the
> IDE cables:  were the drives on different cables, or just different
> connectors on the same cable, in which case did you change the jumpers on
> the drives?  And what makes you think it was definitely something to do
with
> drive serial number?
>
> (end of inquisition!)
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 08 March 2006 14:45
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm sort of confused by this.  I just had to do this, more or less, to my
> wife's PC, though instead of installing a new drive, I wanted to take her
> Ghosted back-up drive and make it the new Drive C:.  Well, of course,
> Windows sees the different drive serial number and won't boot up if you
> simply swap the IDE cables.
>
> Does this scheme solve the problem of Windows XP "choking" on a drive with
a
> different "signature"?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar  9 13:00:16 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:00:16 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] [Fwd: [dba-OT] Firefox Extension]
Message-ID: <44107B40.4010703@san.rr.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[dba-OT] Firefox Extension
Date: 	Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:32:39 -0800
From: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Reply-To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com



I'm trying to load a page rank extension into Firefox.  I'm running 
1.0.7.  When I click the install I get a message: "Software Installation 
is currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and try 
again."  I click the edit options button which opens the options dialog 
box but no where in there do I find a software installation option.

Anyone know where this is located?

MTIA

Rocky

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Beach Access Software
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 17:18:21 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:18:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
In-Reply-To: <001c01c64329$01d84a70$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <39cb22f30603080744g2dcc57b1t29c0cb3f960c972@mail.gmail.com>
	<001c01c64329$01d84a70$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603091518g7aa8c76p634a0147ce5f19cc@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

Not sure what you mean by "several reviews of the new virgins."

I have Norton Systemworks 2003 Professional that I got on Ebay for
between $6 and $11.  If you look for SystemWorks Pro 2003 specifically
I think you'll be surprised by the prices.  You also get a Norton AV
subscription in the package, if that appeals to you.

Anyway, since I've never been able to put Ghost to the ultimate test
successfully -- that is, take a Ghosted drive and set it as the main
boot drive -- I'm afraid I can't answer positively your
questions...except for c).  You might do the old Spode maneuver from
the Jeeves and Wooster story; that is, run a women's lingerie store
without anyone finding out so they can blackmail you.

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/8/06, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> A question about Ghost virgins. Mine is dated 1999. Many things have changed
> since then. But I have also read several reviews of the new virgins and they
> have not been ecstatic, to say the least. So, what should I do?
> a) Attempt to Ghost the current drive c:\ onto some available box with
> enough space to handle the Ghost file;
> b) unhook either the CD burner or the DVD burner and replace it with the new
> big drive and then Ghost it to there;
> c) quit computers and programming and open a women's shoe store specializing
> in very erotic shoes.
> I think I like option c) the best LOL. Certain technologies I know to deal
> with.
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: March 8, 2006 10:44 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ghosting an old HD to a New HD
>
> John,
>
> Oh, I don't mind the inquisition at all.  It focuses my mind on coming
> up with the right answer!
>
> I have used Ghost for some years as a quick backup.  Of course, it
> isn't completely kosher since the "backup" drive is mounted inside the
> PC rather than as an external drive.  In any event I fully expected a
> Ghosted drive to simply boot up if my main C: drive went south.  All
> I'd have to do would be to make sure the Ghosted drive's jumpers were
> set properly and that it was on the primary IDE controller, and voila!
>  Up and running.


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 10 09:27:06 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:27:06 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [Fwd: [dba-OT] Firefox Extension]
In-Reply-To: <44107B40.4010703@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c64457$17f985b0$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Do you have either the "Disable Targets for Downlaods" or the "Download
Manager Tweak" extension installed? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:00 PM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] [Fwd: [dba-OT] Firefox Extension]



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[dba-OT] Firefox Extension
Date: 	Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:32:39 -0800
From: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Reply-To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com



I'm trying to load a page rank extension into Firefox.  I'm running 1.0.7.
When I click the install I get a message: "Software Installation is
currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and try again."  I
click the edit options button which opens the options dialog box but no
where in there do I find a software installation option.

Anyone know where this is located?

MTIA

Rocky

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Mar 10 10:21:47 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:21:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] [Fwd: [dba-OT] Firefox Extension]
In-Reply-To: <000001c64457$17f985b0$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <000001c64457$17f985b0$6501a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <4411A79B.9010402@san.rr.com>

John:

No extensions loaded currently.  Do I need those or do they stop the 
downloads?

Rocky


John Bartow wrote:
> Do you have either the "Disable Targets for Downlaods" or the "Download
> Manager Tweak" extension installed? 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:00 PM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] [Fwd: [dba-OT] Firefox Extension]
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	[dba-OT] Firefox Extension
> Date: 	Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:32:39 -0800
> From: 	Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Reply-To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
> To: 	dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> I'm trying to load a page rank extension into Firefox.  I'm running 1.0.7.
> When I click the install I get a message: "Software Installation is
> currently disabled. Click Edit Options...to enable it and try again."  I
> click the edit options button which opens the options dialog box but no
> where in there do I find a software installation option.
>
> Anyone know where this is located?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
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> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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www.e-z-mrp.com



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 00:38:29 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:38:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Firefox Extension
In-Reply-To: <4410C41F.9050209@san.rr.com>
References: <001201c643cf$1bf9ba00$6401a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<4410C0CF.40508@san.rr.com> <4410C41F.9050209@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920603102238q6ebd30a7s7154cc48b85137c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:

> So annoying.  I upgraded to 1.5.  Now I see the check box in
> Tools.-->Options-->Content: Warn me when web sites try to install
> extensions or themes.  So I uncheck it.  Still no soap.  Exception for
> addons.mozilla.org is already in the exception list as well.  Still says
> software installation is currently disabled.  Any other ideas?  Am I in
> the right place?

Rocky,

Did you ever get this sorted out?

If not, try this:

1) Open a new tab
2) In the location bar type "about:config" without the quotes and hit
enter or click the go button
3) In the filter box type "install"
4) Look in the "Preference Name" column for an item called "xpinstall.enabled"
5) Make sure it's value is true. Double click on the value to change
it if necessary.
6) Restart Firefox.

That should reenable installations

This also sure sounds like a problem that you had a while back, or at
least I *THINK* it was you that was having a similar issue.

--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 13 12:04:12 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:04:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free VS 2005 standard for watching some videos...
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D350DC@ADGSERVER>

http://www.learn2asp.net/campaign.aspx

Get your complimentary ASP.NET 2.0 Development Pack.
Attend three webcasts, either live or on-demand, and you?ll receive*:
Microsoft? Visual Studio? 2005 Standard Edition (Not for Resale) 
Five chapters of Programming ASP.NET 2.0 Core Reference, by Dino Esposito 
A 30-day hosting account to try out your custom Web applications 
Microsoft Developer Security DVD with how-tos, white papers, tools,
webcasts, and code samples that demonstrate how to write more secure code 
A 50% discount on a Microsoft Certified Professional Exam so you can add
your new skills to your resume 
A voucher that allows you to buy Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition
with an MSDN? Professional Subscription at renewal pricing (a $400 savings) 
Altogether, this complimentary package has an estimated value of $400. 



I actually signed up for and watched these:
http://www.learn2asp.net/JSP/Campaign.aspx  (near the bottom of the page)
Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: ASP.NET 2.0 Fundamentals Using Visual Basic (Part 1 of
4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: User Interface Elements Using Visual Basic (Part 2 of
4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: Data Binding Using Visual Basic (Part 3 of 4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: Configuration and Deployment Using Visual Basic (Part
4 of 4) 

They were pretty good.

You only have to watch 3 videos to get the free stuff.  You do have to
register to watch the videos.

Bobby



From djkr at msn.com  Mon Mar 13 13:13:14 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:13:14 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free VS 2005 standard for watching some videos...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D350DC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV201B49A3F8CDCA4B7C9951D2E00@phx.gbl>

"Offer good in the United States and Canada only through April 17, 2006,
while supplies last."

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: 13 March 2006 18:04
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free VS 2005 standard for watching some videos...


http://www.learn2asp.net/campaign.aspx

Get your complimentary ASP.NET 2.0 Development Pack.
Attend three webcasts, either live or on-demand, and you'll receive*:
MicrosoftR Visual StudioR 2005 Standard Edition (Not for Resale) 
Five chapters of Programming ASP.NET 2.0 Core Reference, by Dino Esposito 
A 30-day hosting account to try out your custom Web applications 
Microsoft Developer Security DVD with how-tos, white papers, tools,
webcasts, and code samples that demonstrate how to write more secure code 
A 50% discount on a Microsoft Certified Professional Exam so you can add
your new skills to your resume 
A voucher that allows you to buy Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition
with an MSDNR Professional Subscription at renewal pricing (a $400 savings) 
Altogether, this complimentary package has an estimated value of $400. 



I actually signed up for and watched these:
http://www.learn2asp.net/JSP/Campaign.aspx  (near the bottom of the page)
Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: ASP.NET 2.0 Fundamentals Using Visual Basic (Part 1 of
4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: User Interface Elements Using Visual Basic (Part 2 of
4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: Data Binding Using Visual Basic (Part 3 of 4) 
 Intro to ASP.NET 2.0: Configuration and Deployment Using Visual Basic (Part
4 of 4) 

They were pretty good.

You only have to watch 3 videos to get the free stuff.  You do have to
register to watch the videos.

Bobby

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Mar 13 13:55:12 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:55:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free VS 2005 standard for watching some videos...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D6AEB6@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D350DF@ADGSERVER>

Sorry about that.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:13 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [dba-Tech] Free VS 2005 standard for watching
some videos...


"Offer good in the United States and Canada only through April 17, 2006,
while supplies last."

John




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 14 09:25:24 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:25:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] McAfee Update Breaks Hundreds Of Apps
Message-ID: <00a401c6477b$847ecd90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

FYI for McAfee users:
 
Security vendor McAfee released a flawed
<http://update.internetweek.cmp.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/hu1w0GOnRN0G4X0EMBr0ED>
virus definition file that marked more than 200 executable files, including
Microsoft's Excel, as malware, prompting many users to delete them.



From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Tue Mar 14 09:52:12 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:52:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] McAfee Update Breaks Hundreds Of Apps
In-Reply-To: <00a401c6477b$847ecd90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00b801c6477f$436c0850$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, Ooooops. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:25 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] McAfee Update Breaks Hundreds Of Apps

FYI for McAfee users:
 
Security vendor McAfee released a flawed
<http://update.internetweek.cmp.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/hu1w0GOnRN0G4X0EMBr0ED>
virus definition file that marked more than 200 executable files, including
Microsoft's Excel, as malware, prompting many users to delete them.

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 14 10:27:05 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:27:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] McAfee Update Breaks Hundreds Of Apps
In-Reply-To: <00b801c6477f$436c0850$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <00a901c64784$22a8a290$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I guess!

You've got to wonder if they will put out a fix that will restore all the
files that were erroneously deleted. Or, can you run "undelete" from an
anti-virus program or would that be considered malware and be stopped by the
anti-spyware program ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby

LOL, Ooooops. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Mar 14 17:55:49 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:55:49 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
Message-ID: <000001c647c2$d266d560$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I must have changed a setting somehow.

If I double-click a word or phrase in a document, then type over them, my
typing doesn't delete what was selected - it all gets pushed to the right
instead.  I can delete characters with the Backspace or Delete keys.

How do I get back to overwriting a work or phrase correctly?

Thanks!
Dan 



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Mar 14 18:05:13 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:35:13 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE3995@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Tools -> Options -> Edit -> 'Typing Replaces Selection'

Cheers,
A 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:26 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question

I must have changed a setting somehow.

If I double-click a word or phrase in a document, then type over them,
my typing doesn't delete what was selected - it all gets pushed to the
right instead.  I can delete characters with the Backspace or Delete
keys.

How do I get back to overwriting a work or phrase correctly?

Thanks!
Dan 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Mar 14 19:25:09 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:25:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
In-Reply-To: <33034177.1142381232016.JavaMail.root@sniper38>
Message-ID: <000001c647cf$4cd9eab0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks Andrew!

I could have looked for that for Days!!

Dan 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question

Tools -> Options -> Edit -> 'Typing Replaces Selection'

Cheers,
A 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:26 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question

I must have changed a setting somehow.

If I double-click a word or phrase in a document, then type over them,
my typing doesn't delete what was selected - it all gets pushed to the
right instead.  I can delete characters with the Backspace or Delete
keys.

How do I get back to overwriting a work or phrase correctly?

Thanks!
Dan 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 15 01:06:46 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:06:46 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
References: <000001c647cf$4cd9eab0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4417BD06.7030108@shaw.ca>

I think you can also toggle the INS key Insert or Replace

Dan Waters wrote:

>Thanks Andrew!
>
>I could have looked for that for Days!!
>
>Dan 
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:05 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
>
>Tools -> Options -> Edit -> 'Typing Replaces Selection'
>
>Cheers,
>A 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:26 AM
>To: DBA-Tech
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word Question
>
>I must have changed a setting somehow.
>
>If I double-click a word or phrase in a document, then type over them,
>my typing doesn't delete what was selected - it all gets pushed to the
>right instead.  I can delete characters with the Backspace or Delete
>keys.
>
>How do I get back to overwriting a work or phrase correctly?
>
>Thanks!
>Dan 
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 15 08:40:33 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:40:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950603150553i3a0c00e6ua3085cb4d4a6d60a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009501c6483e$6bcdcee0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

If any of you decide to try or buy Kerio Firewall or CounterSpy I'd
appreciate it if you'd use my web pages to get there.
http://www.winhaven.net/security/prevention.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/firewall.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html

I'm supposed to get some brownie points or something for users clicking
there from my site :o) 

Perhaps a check even if you use it to buy the product. I never foresee the
day that enough people do it to actually make the check worth printing but I
am just interested to see how this web click for pay thing actually works
out. If it pans out we may consider doing something akin to this on the
Database Advisor's web site.

John B.

PS Since I recommend (and use) every product on my web site that is click
for money I have no qualms about it. I won't sell anything I won't use!




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 15 09:11:57 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:11:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
Message-ID: <s4183ce0.010@cactus.dk>

Hi John

We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
Bad experience, sorry. 
It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine. Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed.
We picked the safe route and applied a hardware firewall.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 15-03-2006 15:40:33 >>>
If any of you decide to try or buy Kerio Firewall or CounterSpy I'd
appreciate it if you'd use my web pages to get there.
http://www.winhaven.net/security/prevention.html 
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/firewall.html 
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html 

I'm supposed to get some brownie points or something for users clicking
there from my site :o) 

Perhaps a check even if you use it to buy the product. I never foresee the
day that enough people do it to actually make the check worth printing but I
am just interested to see how this web click for pay thing actually works
out. If it pans out we may consider doing something akin to this on the
Database Advisor's web site.

John B.

PS Since I recommend (and use) every product on my web site that is click
for money I have no qualms about it. I won't sell anything I won't use!




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 15 09:37:08 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:37:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <s4183ce0.010@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00b801c64846$5251f010$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Gustav,
Thanks. Haven't had a chance to try on Win2K but now that you've flagged it
I will. I haven't had a problem with it on WinXP.

I previously used Sygate Personal Firewall but Symantec has recently killed
it. I then went with Kerio Personal Firewall and since then Sunbelt Software
has acquired it (rescued it from being discontinued). They recently sent out
an email that they are still working on improvements that will be included
in an update for existing clients.

I generally use both a software and a hardware firewall. The built in MS
firewall doesn't deal with outgoing traffic so it is useless for detecting
malware attempts at contacting the outside world.

John B.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 15 15:45:27 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:45:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <s4183ce0.010@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <44191797.3132.F35E4EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Mar 2006 at 16:11, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
> Bad experience, sorry. 
> It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine.
> Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed. We picked the safe route
> and applied a hardware firewall.
> 

Strange!   I use it on W2K  on three machines personally. I  also recommend 
it to others and must have set it up at least twenty times on various 
machines.  I've never seen it crash one.

-- 
Stuart




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 16:51:36 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:51:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <009501c6483e$6bcdcee0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <aea6c4950603150553i3a0c00e6ua3085cb4d4a6d60a@mail.gmail.com>
	<009501c6483e$6bcdcee0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <b874372a0603151451n41afb719k89d71afaf78e81b@mail.gmail.com>

i dunno , i've used these products before and my general thoughts were
that they don't hold their own against quality products such as spybot
or adaware or even MS's antispyware. for firewalls, i still quite
prefer sygate. I haven't ran into something that is better for the
monies. tho now that symantec bought them only to kill the product.

On 3/15/06, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> If any of you decide to try or buy Kerio Firewall or CounterSpy I'd
> appreciate it if you'd use my web pages to get there.
> http://www.winhaven.net/security/prevention.html
> Or
> http://www.winhaven.net/security/firewall.html
> Or
> http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html
>
> I'm supposed to get some brownie points or something for users clicking
> there from my site :o)
>
> Perhaps a check even if you use it to buy the product. I never foresee the
> day that enough people do it to actually make the check worth printing but I
> am just interested to see how this web click for pay thing actually works
> out. If it pans out we may consider doing something akin to this on the
> Database Advisor's web site.
>
> John B.
>
> PS Since I recommend (and use) every product on my web site that is click
> for money I have no qualms about it. I won't sell anything I won't use!
>
>
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 15 20:28:56 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:28:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <44191797.3132.F35E4EA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <006201c648a1$60f39af0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Stuart,
Thanks - that's good to know. I don't support many W2k PCs anymore and
although I have one in shop I am running another brand firewall on that PC
and haven't had the time to switch it over. When I get 5 minutes I guess its
high time to get that done!

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

On 15 Mar 2006 at 16:11, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
> Bad experience, sorry. 
> It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine.
> Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed. We picked the safe 
> route and applied a hardware firewall.
> 

Strange!   I use it on W2K  on three machines personally. I  also recommend 
it to others and must have set it up at least twenty times on various
machines.  I've never seen it crash one.

--
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 15 20:28:56 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:28:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0603151451n41afb719k89d71afaf78e81b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006601c648a1$6171f2b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Francisco,
If they weren't better than the 3 freebies I wouldn't make an issue of it,
but you are clearly mistaken. And I'm not a brand name adherent (as anyone
that reads my posts would know). Do your own evaluation of all of them at
the same time and you'll never make such a statement again. MS anti-spyware
is a joke these days (I still use it PCs where they won't PAY for a real
time anti-spyware program). It holds up well to the statement "its better
than nothing". 

I also use Spybot S&D and Adaware (and a number of other products) on a
regular basis and they just don't compare. Often times they will claim to
have removed the malware but haven't or in the case of Spybot will want to
do a scan at startup which rarely accomplishes anything. Don't get me wrong,
I love those products. They will install and run in safe mode CS won't
<grr>. And they are better than MS's. But they don't hold up against
CounterSpy, Pest Patrol or SpySweeper. These three are consistently top
rated while others bounce up and down depending who's doing the rating.
CounterSpy actually uses the MS-AS malware database as ONE of its THREE data
sources (because they had a contract before MS bought Giant) so how you can
claim that MS-AS is better I just don't know! I hope MS does come through
with a decent AS product but I'm not waiting for the day.

If you know about anti-spyware, you also know that at this point in time no
one product will detect and remove all spyware.

As far as firewalls go, I agree, Sygate PF is great. I probably learned
about it from this list years ago. But its dead. Therefore I replaced it
with Kerio, which I probably learned about from this list too. So while
Kerio will only get better, Sygate will only get antiquated. And the real
big catch is: how do I refer people to a dead product?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:52 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation

i dunno , i've used these products before and my general thoughts were that
they don't hold their own against quality products such as spybot or adaware
or even MS's antispyware. for firewalls, i still quite prefer sygate. I
haven't ran into something that is better for the monies. tho now that
symantec bought them only to kill the product.



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 15 20:33:59 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:33:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <s4183ce0.010@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006701c648a2$14f2dc00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Gustav,
Was there any indication of conflict with another program? Anti-virus,
firewall, etc.? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:12 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

Hi John

We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
Bad experience, sorry. 
It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine.
Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed.
We picked the safe route and applied a hardware firewall.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 15-03-2006 15:40:33 >>>
If any of you decide to try or buy Kerio Firewall or CounterSpy I'd
appreciate it if you'd use my web pages to get there.
http://www.winhaven.net/security/prevention.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/firewall.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html 

I'm supposed to get some brownie points or something for users clicking
there from my site :o) 

Perhaps a check even if you use it to buy the product. I never foresee the
day that enough people do it to actually make the check worth printing but I
am just interested to see how this web click for pay thing actually works
out. If it pans out we may consider doing something akin to this on the
Database Advisor's web site.

John B.

PS Since I recommend (and use) every product on my web site that is click
for money I have no qualms about it. I won't sell anything I won't use!


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Thu Mar 16 07:29:52 2006
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:29:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F69CB@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John Bartow,

Why is MS-AS "a joke these days"?

My personal experience with MS-AS is that it's the best freebie and even
better than SpySweeper. As far as CounterSpy and Pest Patrol, I don't
know.

I don't go by what the reviews say is the top rated (unless it's a new
product, which then gets me to try it). I've actually used all of the
ones you mention except CounterSpy and Pest Patrol. I still find MS-AS
to be the best balance between getting the job done and hogging system
resources.

My experience with MS-AS is that it removes the stuff it finds, which
I've never been able to get Spybot and Adaware to do correctly. I don't
stick all my eggs into one basket either. I leave MS-AS running and run
the other 2 freebies periodically (monthly/bimonthly).

Scott Marcus

PS. Spybot's teatimer (while annoying) works rather well.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation

Francisco,
If they weren't better than the 3 freebies I wouldn't make an issue of
it,
but you are clearly mistaken. And I'm not a brand name adherent (as
anyone
that reads my posts would know). Do your own evaluation of all of them
at
the same time and you'll never make such a statement again. MS
anti-spyware
is a joke these days (I still use it PCs where they won't PAY for a real
time anti-spyware program). It holds up well to the statement "its
better
than nothing". 

I also use Spybot S&D and Adaware (and a number of other products) on a
regular basis and they just don't compare. Often times they will claim
to
have removed the malware but haven't or in the case of Spybot will want
to
do a scan at startup which rarely accomplishes anything. Don't get me
wrong,
I love those products. They will install and run in safe mode CS won't
<grr>. And they are better than MS's. But they don't hold up against
CounterSpy, Pest Patrol or SpySweeper. These three are consistently top
rated while others bounce up and down depending who's doing the rating.
CounterSpy actually uses the MS-AS malware database as ONE of its THREE
data
sources (because they had a contract before MS bought Giant) so how you
can
claim that MS-AS is better I just don't know! I hope MS does come
through
with a decent AS product but I'm not waiting for the day.

If you know about anti-spyware, you also know that at this point in time
no
one product will detect and remove all spyware.

As far as firewalls go, I agree, Sygate PF is great. I probably learned
about it from this list years ago. But its dead. Therefore I replaced it
with Kerio, which I probably learned about from this list too. So while
Kerio will only get better, Sygate will only get antiquated. And the
real
big catch is: how do I refer people to a dead product?
 





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From darsant at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 07:53:52 2006
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:53:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F69CB@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
References: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F69CB@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0603160553m5e2ee6d8ma160fcc12806d688@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/06, Scott Marcus <marcus at tsstech.com> wrote:
> My experience with MS-AS is that it removes the stuff it finds, which
> I've never been able to get Spybot and Adaware to do correctly. I don't
> stick all my eggs into one basket either. I leave MS-AS running and run
> the other 2 freebies periodically (monthly/bimonthly).

I've never had an issue with Spybot or Ad-Aware not removing something
it found. I have however, had issues with MS-AS not finding a bunch of
stuff and having to go back behind it with Spybot / Ad-Aware to finish
purging.

Those two, combined with Hijack-This, have not failed me yet.
--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 08:15:42 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:15:42 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A4B@ALCUXB>

I use a combination of Spybot, Ad-Aware, Giant (not installed the MS version
yet), Zonealarms anti-spyware feature of the pro version of the firewall,
and counter spy.

Seems to pick up most things :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh McFarlane [mailto:darsant at gmail.com]
Sent: 16 March 2006 13:54
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation


On 3/16/06, Scott Marcus <marcus at tsstech.com> wrote:
> My experience with MS-AS is that it removes the stuff it finds, which
> I've never been able to get Spybot and Adaware to do correctly. I don't
> stick all my eggs into one basket either. I leave MS-AS running and run
> the other 2 freebies periodically (monthly/bimonthly).

I've never had an issue with Spybot or Ad-Aware not removing something
it found. I have however, had issues with MS-AS not finding a bunch of
stuff and having to go back behind it with Spybot / Ad-Aware to finish
purging.

Those two, combined with Hijack-This, have not failed me yet.
--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 16 09:08:28 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:08:28 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D016F69CB@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <00a701c6490b$7ba9eec0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Because it's detection rates are going down rather than up :o(

Even though it was "beta" I installed this on every PC of all my clients who
did not purchase a real time spyware scanner (CounterSpy, Pest Patrol or
SpySweeper, Panda, etc.). I never had a stability issue with MSAS but since
the release of MS Defender I have had a few. I still have problems I have to
go in and clean up for them - most likely due to MS's allowance of its pals
spyware to not be flagged as such. Given that - there are still a lot of
spyware that haven't chummed up to MS so it does catch and clean those quite
well. I installed SpybotS&D and Adaware on all of those PCs too, so I
basically update them and clean up what MSAS missed. If things get nasty
then I have to do more. Basically its all just an irritation since most of
these PCs shouldn't be allowed to get infected but weak mgt at the location
precludes a more aggressive stance on Interent usage.

Another thing with CounterSpy, Pest Patrol and SpySweeper is that they have
network editions (under various titles) that can be used at a higher level
than the local PC. SpySweeper is not my favorite either and their free
version is a waste of time. But there full product is consistently good.

I never stick all my eggs in one basket. If I had I would have gone crazy
when Norton 2005 was released - what piece of crap. I expect utilities to
save time and prevent problems not cause them! Up until then I preferred
Norton for smaller settings.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation

John Bartow,

Why is MS-AS "a joke these days"?

My personal experience with MS-AS is that it's the best freebie and even
better than SpySweeper. As far as CounterSpy and Pest Patrol, I don't know.

I don't go by what the reviews say is the top rated (unless it's a new
product, which then gets me to try it). I've actually used all of the ones
you mention except CounterSpy and Pest Patrol. I still find MS-AS to be the
best balance between getting the job done and hogging system resources.

My experience with MS-AS is that it removes the stuff it finds, which I've
never been able to get Spybot and Adaware to do correctly. I don't stick all
my eggs into one basket either. I leave MS-AS running and run the other 2
freebies periodically (monthly/bimonthly).

Scott Marcus

PS. Spybot's teatimer (while annoying) works rather well.



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 16 09:25:43 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:25:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A4B@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <00ae01c6490d$e4461b00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

AFAIK MSAS and Giant will not operate for much longer. When MS bought Giant
they honored the contracts that Giant had in existence. There an explanation
posted somewhere on MS's site. CounterSpy was actually a project that
Sunbelt had contracted Giant for. It was originally a "business version" of
Giant-AS. And originally I hated the UI as much as Giant's AS UI. I still
don't care for it much. Of all the AS products I think I like Spybot's UI
the best.

Since then MS bought Giant and Sunbelt has been redesigning it as needed to
alleviate the need for signature updates from MS. They now have three
sources of data updates that incorporated into their product(s). They are
close to releasing a new version which has better real-time scanning and
prevention than previously (which has been described as "close to real
time"). I have a personal opinion of where this technology came from but
will keep that opinion to myself.

The nice thing about using Pest patrol and CounterSpy is that they both
utilize quite different approached to the problem.

Last night I had to go onsite because an local emergency response office
couldn't access the internet. (Not that it would cause any problems in
handling the emergency.) I went thinking they screwed up their network
settings somehow. BTW my first visit there, a new client (one that I have to
have a long talk with ;o)

I immediately noticed some bad signs of infection and the machine was
crawling along pretty miserably. They had NAV 2003 installed but it had been
expired for about 2 months! So I ran Trend Micro's sysclean in Safe Mode
(that took forever). Luckily no viruses. I rebooted and installed the
CounterSpy free trial from my flash drive and it found over 3000 infected
files from approx 20 spyware products. They had tried Adware before me.
Problem is they couldn't update it or I think it would have found a lot more
of them. Anyway, a lot of dinking around for, IMO, no reason. They shouldn't
have been using that PC for surfing the web like it had been used. We'll be
putting some real time up to date protection on later today when they get
clearance from the boss. Given the cost of cleanup vs that of prevention
it's a no brainer!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation

I use a combination of Spybot, Ad-Aware, Giant (not installed the MS version
yet), Zonealarms anti-spyware feature of the pro version of the firewall,
and counter spy.

Seems to pick up most things :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh McFarlane [mailto:darsant at gmail.com]
Sent: 16 March 2006 13:54
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation


On 3/16/06, Scott Marcus <marcus at tsstech.com> wrote:
> My experience with MS-AS is that it removes the stuff it finds, which 
> I've never been able to get Spybot and Adaware to do correctly. I 
> don't stick all my eggs into one basket either. I leave MS-AS running 
> and run the other 2 freebies periodically (monthly/bimonthly).

I've never had an issue with Spybot or Ad-Aware not removing something it
found. I have however, had issues with MS-AS not finding a bunch of stuff
and having to go back behind it with Spybot / Ad-Aware to finish purging.

Those two, combined with Hijack-This, have not failed me yet.
--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein
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From pharold at proftesting.com  Thu Mar 16 09:33:30 2006
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:33:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
Message-ID: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD164FA9@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local>

FWIW

A generalization on "bad" software or hardware.

"Everyone" knows that Adobe Reader "Works" for all pdf files so that
it's mostly universal.  We have one box though that will not run any
Reader version newer than version 5.  The box has been around for a
while and had various things installed - most of which has been
uninstalled so it's fairly clean.  But something sits on it somewhere
that keeps the newer reader(s) from working.  We have 20+ other boxes
that are a similar setup and have no problem with Reader at all.

The point being - one crash on one machine doesn't globally indicate the
quality or non-quality of the product.  Often most of us will discard
something if it doesn't work in the first instance.  However, if it
works the first 2 or 3 times and then we have a problem we will then go
to the next machine and try again.  If (and usually when) it works again
then we know that it was an aberration rather than condemning the
software (or hardware) as a whole.

And what works in my setup doesn't always work the best in your setup
and vice-versa.

The great thing about this list is that we do get to see opinions and
real world results from lots of sources to give us advice we can use in
creating our own setups.

Perry Harold

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

Gustav,
Was there any indication of conflict with another program? Anti-virus,
firewall, etc.? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:12 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

Hi John

We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
Bad experience, sorry. 
It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine.
Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed.
We picked the safe route and applied a hardware firewall.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 15-03-2006 15:40:33 >>>
If any of you decide to try or buy Kerio Firewall or CounterSpy I'd
appreciate it if you'd use my web pages to get there.
http://www.winhaven.net/security/prevention.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/firewall.html
Or
http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html 

I'm supposed to get some brownie points or something for users clicking
there from my site :o) 

Perhaps a check even if you use it to buy the product. I never foresee
the day that enough people do it to actually make the check worth
printing but I am just interested to see how this web click for pay
thing actually works out. If it pans out we may consider doing something
akin to this on the Database Advisor's web site.

John B.

PS Since I recommend (and use) every product on my web site that is
click for money I have no qualms about it. I won't sell anything I won't
use!


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 16 09:48:56 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:48:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Flash Player Flaw
Message-ID: <00bd01c64911$228c4e90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Speaking of malware...
 
Adobe has announced that its (recently acquired) Flash Media Player has some
flaws in it that be taken advantage of by malicious programmers.
 
To download the updated Flash Player click here:
http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Sh
ockwaveFlash
 
For technical details click here:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/security/security_zone/apsb06-03.html



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 16 09:48:56 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:48:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD164FA9@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <00be01c64911$22d3b7d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Good thoughts Perry.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

FWIW

A generalization on "bad" software or hardware.

"Everyone" knows that Adobe Reader "Works" for all pdf files so that it's
mostly universal.  We have one box though that will not run any Reader
version newer than version 5.  The box has been around for a while and had
various things installed - most of which has been uninstalled so it's fairly
clean.  But something sits on it somewhere that keeps the newer reader(s)
from working.  We have 20+ other boxes that are a similar setup and have no
problem with Reader at all.

The point being - one crash on one machine doesn't globally indicate the
quality or non-quality of the product.  Often most of us will discard
something if it doesn't work in the first instance.  However, if it works
the first 2 or 3 times and then we have a problem we will then go to the
next machine and try again.  If (and usually when) it works again then we
know that it was an aberration rather than condemning the software (or
hardware) as a whole.

And what works in my setup doesn't always work the best in your setup and
vice-versa.

The great thing about this list is that we do get to see opinions and real
world results from lots of sources to give us advice we can use in creating
our own setups.

Perry Harold



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 16 11:18:19 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
Message-ID: <s419ac03.065@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Not to be seen. It runs our test MSDE and MySQL servers.
Also antivirus ClamWin and antispyware Search & Destroy.

It ran for ten days or so, then something needed adjusting and when it should reboot, crash. It offered to upload a xx MB memory dump which we refused.
With a ten day or so cycle it could take forever to debug what was happening, so we decided to uninstall it as it really takes something (except for malfunctioning hardware) to crash a Win2000 machine.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 16-03-2006 03:33:59 >>>
Gustav,
Was there any indication of conflict with another program? Anti-virus,
firewall, etc.? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:12 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation

Hi John

We ran the Keria firewall a month ago on a Win2000 workstation.
Bad experience, sorry. 
It's the first application we've seen truly crash a Win2000 machine.
Standard IBM hardware, all servicepacks installed.
We picked the safe route and applied a hardware firewall.

/gustav



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 16 11:35:13 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:35:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kerio Crash (was: Norton Antivirus Activation)
In-Reply-To: <s419ac03.065@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005301c6491f$fc0074e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Gustav,
Its good to know there are other alternatives and that one does not _have_
to troubleshoot strange occurrences like this.

Did you try any other software firewalls on that machine?

John B.



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 16 11:52:43 2006
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:52:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kerio Crash (was: Norton Antivirus Activation)
Message-ID: <s419b413.068@cactus.dk>

Hi John

No. We just needed a simple and free "no-feature" firewall on that machine. Kerio was available and Sunbelt claims to develop it further so it looked as the right pick. This machine is "live" with outside access so a firewall is mandatory. We just didn't have the time nor the energy to debug the happening and a small D-Link was resting on the shelf ready to be put into action at zero cost.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 16-03-2006 18:35:13 >>>
Gustav,
Its good to know there are other alternatives and that one does not _have_
to troubleshoot strange occurrences like this.

Did you try any other software firewalls on that machine?

John B.



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 13:51:36 2006
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:51:36 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....revisited
In-Reply-To: <440E33F9.7090705@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c64933$09024020$f43a0c54@minster33c3r25>

Anyone know anything about either 0Spam (that's ZeroSpam) or Cloudmark? Both
came out high in a recent survey in 'Which?' magazine. )Spam appears to be a
service, which I personally would be wary of for security reasons, but my
friend who's looking seems coola bout. Cloudmark I don't know but looks like
a major product. Anyone any first-hand experience of either?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 16 15:58:58 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:58:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD164FA9@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <441A6C42.32488.14689B92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Mar 2006 at 10:33, Perry L Harold wrote:

> A generalization on "bad" software or hardware.
> 
> "Everyone" knows that Adobe Reader "Works" for all pdf files so that
> it's mostly universal.  
....
> The point being - one crash on one machine doesn't globally indicate the
> quality or non-quality of the product.  
...
> And what works in my setup doesn't always work the best in your setup
> and vice-versa.

Several versions Adobe Acrobat caused other applications to crash whenever  
those applications called a standard Windows "File Open" dialog with 
certain options set. :-(



-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 16 16:20:36 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:20:36 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....revisited
In-Reply-To: <006c01c64933$09024020$f43a0c54@minster33c3r25>
References: <440E33F9.7090705@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <441A7154.13466.147C6733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Mar 2006 at 19:51, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Anyone know anything about either 0Spam (that's ZeroSpam) or Cloudmark? Both
> came out high in a recent survey in 'Which?' magazine.

 )Spam appears to be a
> service, which I personally would be wary of for security reasons, but my
> friend who's looking seems coola bout. 

1. It is primarily a challenge/response system - a *bad* idea for any 
number of reasons. See
http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/challenge-response.html
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=389

2. It uses it's own "multi-dimensional DNS Blocklist"
Do you really trust a third party to decide what domains your legitimate 
correspondents come from?  You don't know what their criteria are for 
adding IP addresses to their blocklist or how to get addresses removed from 
it.  What if they us some of the more aggressive block lists out to to 
populate their own list?

0Spam WILL cause you to lose good messages.

>Cloudmark I don't know but looks like
> a major product. Anyone any first-hand experience of either?

It just uses other peoples definition of spam to determine whether what you 
have is spam. It doesn't actually block anything, it just tags it as 
spam/not spam.   If that is the case, you are better off using a bayesian 
filter like K9 or POPFile and training them without needing to go off to a 
third party site for every email you receive.   I bet that either K9 or 
POPFile will give a far higher accuracy after a few weeks training on your 
own mail than Cloudmark can.

Cloudmark wastes bandwidth, relies on other peoples perception of spam and 
doesn't offer anything that you can't achieve on your own PC.

-- 
Stuart




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 17:59:31 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:59:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
In-Reply-To: <006601c648a1$6171f2b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <b874372a0603151451n41afb719k89d71afaf78e81b@mail.gmail.com>
	<006601c648a1$6171f2b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <b874372a0603161559x52360481k4afc5167eb52f3ba@mail.gmail.com>

John,
  You make an interesting case, I've used spysweeper and pest pastrol
on my system and found them that they were trying to clober my "wise
instalbuilder" product.  I use this product on a regular bais to
deploy my in house application.  I thought it odd that spysweeper and
pest patrol would find items in the wise folder and would try to
delete them... (things such as unwise.exe)

I used counterspy on a machine that was heavily plauged w/ spyware and
would be scheduled for an fdisk,... counterspy did not locate the
vumundo spyware that was on there.. for that matter neither did any of
the 3 freebies that I mentioned.. I had to search google to find the
fix.  So I can't refer people to pay for a product that won't help
them, instead i've directed users to products such as firefox w/
adblock and noscript.  this ensures that code can't run on sites that
are questionable.

and while I agree that sygate is dead as a product, i have yet to find
a suitable replacement for it.  I've used keiro but not in the recent
months that sunbelt has acuired it.  i may take another look, but i
can't recomend it at this time... I found that while surfing you can't
completely stealth your system w/ it.  and the last time I used it you
could only granularly allow programs through on the paid version.



On 3/15/06, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Francisco,
> If they weren't better than the 3 freebies I wouldn't make an issue of it,
> but you are clearly mistaken. And I'm not a brand name adherent (as anyone
> that reads my posts would know). Do your own evaluation of all of them at
> the same time and you'll never make such a statement again. MS anti-spyware
> is a joke these days (I still use it PCs where they won't PAY for a real
> time anti-spyware program). It holds up well to the statement "its better
> than nothing".
>
> I also use Spybot S&D and Adaware (and a number of other products) on a
> regular basis and they just don't compare. Often times they will claim to
> have removed the malware but haven't or in the case of Spybot will want to
> do a scan at startup which rarely accomplishes anything. Don't get me wrong,
> I love those products. They will install and run in safe mode CS won't
> <grr>. And they are better than MS's. But they don't hold up against
> CounterSpy, Pest Patrol or SpySweeper. These three are consistently top
> rated while others bounce up and down depending who's doing the rating.
> CounterSpy actually uses the MS-AS malware database as ONE of its THREE data
> sources (because they had a contract before MS bought Giant) so how you can
> claim that MS-AS is better I just don't know! I hope MS does come through
> with a decent AS product but I'm not waiting for the day.
>
> If you know about anti-spyware, you also know that at this point in time no
> one product will detect and remove all spyware.
>
> As far as firewalls go, I agree, Sygate PF is great. I probably learned
> about it from this list years ago. But its dead. Therefore I replaced it
> with Kerio, which I probably learned about from this list too. So while
> Kerio will only get better, Sygate will only get antiquated. And the real
> big catch is: how do I refer people to a dead product?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:52 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
>
> i dunno , i've used these products before and my general thoughts were that
> they don't hold their own against quality products such as spybot or adaware
> or even MS's antispyware. for firewalls, i still quite prefer sygate. I
> haven't ran into something that is better for the monies. tho now that
> symantec bought them only to kill the product.
>
>


--
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Mar 16 18:16:36 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:16:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....revisited
In-Reply-To: <441A7154.13466.147C6733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001c01c64958$0ecb44f0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I use a Bayesian filter - SpamBayes.

However I also report my spam to Blue Security.  http://www.bluesecurity.com
. Blue Security is a company dedicated to analyzing spam coming in from over
100,000 people now (me included) and reporting the spammers to a variety of
agencies.  http://www.bluesecurity.com/technology/overview.asp  It reports
sites which sell pirated software to the FBI and other government agencies,
as well as to the companies being pirated.  It currently reports spammers to
dozens of agencies including Interpol, the FBI, the FCC, the FDA and others
with authority to take action should they choose to do so.

Blue Security also analyzes how to email the offending spammers and "each
person who receives spam from that spammer sends a message requesting to be
removed from their list".  I quoted that because it isn't quite that simple.
There is an application that each person who uses Blue Security loads on
their machine.  Every machine that receives spam from a given spammer then
loads a list of email addresses to send to and sends an email FROM BLUE
SECURITY asking that the spammers use a blue security database to clean
their address list.  Essentially it turns the tables on the spammers, many
of whom illegally hijack (or rent illegally hijacked) computers to send
their spam.  They now get "clean up your email lists" messages from
potentially tens of thousands of computers.  

I heartily recommend Blue Frog (the application).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Frog
http://bluefrog.mozdev.org/
http://www.webattack.com/freeware/comm/fwspam.html
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Email_Tools/Anti-SPAM_Tools/Blue_Frog_Ant
i_Spam.html
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&categ
ory=Web%20Annoyances&numpg=10&id=1863

There is no single tool that will eliminate spam, but using a good filter
and then reporting the spam you do receive to someone who will at least TRY
to do something about it works for me!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Spam, spam, spam, spam ....revisited

On 16 Mar 2006 at 19:51, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Anyone know anything about either 0Spam (that's ZeroSpam) or 
> Cloudmark? Both came out high in a recent survey in 'Which?' magazine.

 )Spam appears to be a
> service, which I personally would be wary of for security reasons, but 
> my friend who's looking seems coola bout.

1. It is primarily a challenge/response system - a *bad* idea for any number
of reasons. See http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/challenge-response.html
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=389

2. It uses it's own "multi-dimensional DNS Blocklist"
Do you really trust a third party to decide what domains your legitimate
correspondents come from?  You don't know what their criteria are for adding
IP addresses to their blocklist or how to get addresses removed from it.
What if they us some of the more aggressive block lists out to to populate
their own list?

0Spam WILL cause you to lose good messages.

>Cloudmark I don't know but looks like
> a major product. Anyone any first-hand experience of either?

It just uses other peoples definition of spam to determine whether what you
have is spam. It doesn't actually block anything, it just tags it as 
spam/not spam.   If that is the case, you are better off using a bayesian 
filter like K9 or POPFile and training them without needing to go off to a 
third party site for every email you receive.   I bet that either K9 or 
POPFile will give a far higher accuracy after a few weeks training on your
own mail than Cloudmark can.

Cloudmark wastes bandwidth, relies on other peoples perception of spam and
doesn't offer anything that you can't achieve on your own PC.

--
Stuart



From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 11:42:06 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:42:06 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

There are about a jillion decimal to hex converters on the web.  But
what I'm looking for is a converter that will handle decimal numbers
with decimals.  That is, convert 1.0625 (decimal) to 1.1
(hexadecimal).  I can write one that recursively takes the remainder
from a division by higher and higher powers of 16 and dividing the
remainder the the next higher power of sixteen, etc.  Just wondered if
any of you had seen such a utility.

For bonus points:  base 10 is decimal, base 16 is hexadecimal, base 20
is vigesimal...what are base 26 and base 36 called in this
nomenclature?  I'd guess that base 26 would be hexavigesimal, but I
have no clue what base 36 would be.  I would just find it useful to
have a name to attach to base 36 when I need a nice compact numbering
system that uses all 10 numeric digits plus all 26 letters of the
alphabet.

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From darsant at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 11:45:22 2006
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:45:22 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Group,
>
> There are about a jillion decimal to hex converters on the web.  But
> what I'm looking for is a converter that will handle decimal numbers
> with decimals.  That is, convert 1.0625 (decimal) to 1.1
> (hexadecimal).  I can write one that recursively takes the remainder
> from a division by higher and higher powers of 16 and dividing the
> remainder the the next higher power of sixteen, etc.  Just wondered if
> any of you had seen such a utility.

Are you looking for something for integration into a system, or
something for personal use?

Problem with trying to represent a floating decimal based number in a
different system is that you can't always get an exact value for the
number you want to represent, so any cnoversion utility would have to
have a cutoff point.

I've tinkered with a C++ app to do it for me, but it's not anywhere
near professional, just a toy.

--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 12:05:20 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:05:20 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,

I hear you on the cutoff.  I tried converting by hand the decimal
number 1.07 to hex and got 1.11EB85 before I stopped.

I did find an on-line calculator:

http://babbage.cs.qc.edu/courses/cs341/IEEE-754.html

Apparently, there's a standard way to represent floating point numbers
in hex, but the resulting Hex number doesn't have a "decimal" point. 
For example, 1.07 (decimal) comes out as 3FF11EB851EB851F using a
64-bit double precision hex number.  You can see the string "11EB85"
in that number, the same that I came up with manually, but I'm still
puzzling over the beginning 3FF.

The site has the complete JavaScript code for the conversion, so maybe
I can figure out what the 3FF is for.

Thanks,

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/21/06, Josh McFarlane <darsant at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/21/06, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > There are about a jillion decimal to hex converters on the web.  But
> > what I'm looking for is a converter that will handle decimal numbers
> > with decimals.  That is, convert 1.0625 (decimal) to 1.1
> > (hexadecimal).  I can write one that recursively takes the remainder
> > from a division by higher and higher powers of 16 and dividing the
> > remainder the the next higher power of sixteen, etc.  Just wondered if
> > any of you had seen such a utility.
>
> Are you looking for something for integration into a system, or
> something for personal use?
>
> Problem with trying to represent a floating decimal based number in a
> different system is that you can't always get an exact value for the
> number you want to represent, so any cnoversion utility would have to
> have a cutoff point.
>
> I've tinkered with a C++ app to do it for me, but it's not anywhere
> near professional, just a toy.
>
> --
> Josh McFarlane


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Mar 21 12:07:55 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:07:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>

When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a 
teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but since 
IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and was (and 
still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they couldn't handle 
sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex dumps.

Rocky


Steve Erbach wrote:
> Dear Group,
>
> There are about a jillion decimal to hex converters on the web.  But
> what I'm looking for is a converter that will handle decimal numbers
> with decimals.  That is, convert 1.0625 (decimal) to 1.1
> (hexadecimal).  I can write one that recursively takes the remainder
> from a division by higher and higher powers of 16 and dividing the
> remainder the the next higher power of sixteen, etc.  Just wondered if
> any of you had seen such a utility.
>
> For bonus points:  base 10 is decimal, base 16 is hexadecimal, base 20
> is vigesimal...what are base 26 and base 36 called in this
> nomenclature?  I'd guess that base 26 would be hexavigesimal, but I
> have no clue what base 36 would be.  I would just find it useful to
> have a name to attach to base 36 when I need a nice compact numbering
> system that uses all 10 numeric digits plus all 26 letters of the
> alphabet.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> www.swerbach.com
> Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>   

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From darsant at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 12:22:38 2006
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:22:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0603211022h686c7bb3w6fd7455b2053acdc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> I did find an on-line calculator:
>
> http://babbage.cs.qc.edu/courses/cs341/IEEE-754.html
>
> Apparently, there's a standard way to represent floating point numbers
> in hex, but the resulting Hex number doesn't have a "decimal" point.
> For example, 1.07 (decimal) comes out as 3FF11EB851EB851F using a
> 64-bit double precision hex number.  You can see the string "11EB85"
> in that number, the same that I came up with manually, but I'm still
> puzzling over the beginning 3FF.

Steve -

They're actually encoding it into the binary representation of a
floating point number, rather than a straight conversion of a decimal
value to hexadecimal

Basically, they're encoding it to something akin to X.XXXXXX * 10 ^ YY

However, a straight representation would be slightly different.

If you want just a straight up conversion of Decimal --> Hex, this
will be different than the hex value listed on the page (as it's
"encoded" according to the nice tables)

--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From darsant at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 12:31:47 2006
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:31:47 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <53c8e05a0603211022h686c7bb3w6fd7455b2053acdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603211022h686c7bb3w6fd7455b2053acdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0603211031k668ef9dw86e2b6833422dfd4@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Josh McFarlane <darsant at gmail.com> wrote:
> Basically, they're encoding it to something akin to X.XXXXXX * 10 ^ YY

On another note, it looks like the floating point base for IEEE-754 is
not 10, but 2 or something else, so it would be XXXXXXX * 2 ^ YY

--
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 12:59:57 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:59:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603211059o38e47968obf61b1a4b47b6d63@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

Yeah, I've been down in the sex dumps before...

Yes, hexadecimal combines Greek and Latin forms.  I believe that
vigesimal is Latin, and I'm just guessing at hexavigesimal.

Steve Erbach


On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a
> teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but since
> IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and was (and
> still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they couldn't handle
> sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex dumps.
>
> Rocky
>


From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 13:48:54 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:48:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base 26.

Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal

The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the
digits 0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be
senidenary to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.

According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal,
sexatrigesimal, and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.

And then I found a very interesting utility at:

http://www.edepot.com/win95.html

It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers
with over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in
any base.  AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to
any other base!  Hey! Hey!

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a
> teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but since
> IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and was (and
> still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they couldn't handle
> sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex dumps.
>
> Rocky
>
>


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Mar 21 14:08:33 2006
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:08:33 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c64d23$3b120a70$0300a8c0@jt2>

This reminds me of a joke I only vaguely understood - why do mathmeticians
get confused between Halloween and Christmas?

Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

Now if someone would care to explain that to me in words of one syllable,
I'd probably laugh, but at the moment... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: 21 March 2006 19:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex

Rocky,

...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base
26.

Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal

The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the digits
0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be senidenary
to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.

According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal, sexatrigesimal,
and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.

And then I found a very interesting utility at:

http://www.edepot.com/win95.html

It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers with
over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in any base.
AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to any other base!
Hey! Hey!

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a 
> teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but 
> since IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and 
> was (and still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they 
> couldn't handle sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex
dumps.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 14:21:23 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:21:23 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <003a01c64d23$3b120a70$0300a8c0@jt2>
References: <39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c64d23$3b120a70$0300a8c0@jt2>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603211221k12aa3e6ka0f585d8d1ec7061@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

Excellent!  Never saw that before.

I've gotten intrigued with that Po-Han Li calculator.  It's got an
interesting method for generating unbreakable coded messages.

Steve Erbach


On 3/21/06, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> This reminds me of a joke I only vaguely understood - why do mathmeticians
> get confused between Halloween and Christmas?
>
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
>
> Now if someone would care to explain that to me in words of one syllable,
> I'd probably laugh, but at the moment... :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 21 March 2006 19:49
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
>
> Rocky,
>
> ...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base
> 26.
>
> Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
>
> The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the digits
> 0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be senidenary
> to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.
>
> According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal, sexatrigesimal,
> and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.
>
> And then I found a very interesting utility at:
>
> http://www.edepot.com/win95.html
>
> It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers with
> over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in any base.
> AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to any other base!
> Hey! Hey!
>
> Steve Erbach
> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


From drboz at pacbell.net  Tue Mar 21 14:54:07 2006
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:54:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
References: <003a01c64d23$3b120a70$0300a8c0@jt2>
Message-ID: <00cd01c64d29$98d93f10$6401a8c0@don>

Oct(al) 31 = Dec(imal) 25

just an octal to decimal conversion

Don G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex


> This reminds me of a joke I only vaguely understood - why do mathmeticians
> get confused between Halloween and Christmas?
>
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
>
> Now if someone would care to explain that to me in words of one syllable,
> I'd probably laugh, but at the moment... :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 21 March 2006 19:49
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
>
> Rocky,
>
> ...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base
> 26.
>
> Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
>
> The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the digits
> 0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be senidenary
> to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.
>
> According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal, sexatrigesimal,
> and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.
>
> And then I found a very interesting utility at:
>
> http://www.edepot.com/win95.html
>
> It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers with
> over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in any base.
> AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to any other base!
> Hey! Hey!
>
> Steve Erbach
> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
>
>
> On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com>
wrote:
> > When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a
> > teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but
> > since IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and
> > was (and still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they
> > couldn't handle sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex
> dumps.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 21 15:14:32 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:14:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
References: <003a01c64d23$3b120a70$0300a8c0@jt2>
Message-ID: <44206CB8.3010709@shaw.ca>

If &O31 = CDec(25) Then Debug.Print "Merry Christmas ... err Halloween 
or something"

Jon Tydda wrote:

>This reminds me of a joke I only vaguely understood - why do mathmeticians
>get confused between Halloween and Christmas?
>
>Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
>
>Now if someone would care to explain that to me in words of one syllable,
>I'd probably laugh, but at the moment... :-)
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
>Sent: 21 March 2006 19:49
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
>
>Rocky,
>
>...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base
>26.
>
>Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
>
>The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the digits
>0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be senidenary
>to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.
>
>According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal, sexatrigesimal,
>and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.
>
>And then I found a very interesting utility at:
>
>http://www.edepot.com/win95.html
>
>It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers with
>over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in any base.
>AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to any other base!
>Hey! Hey!
>
>Steve Erbach
>http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
>
>
>On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a 
>>teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but 
>>since IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and 
>>was (and still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they 
>>couldn't handle sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex
>>    
>>
>dumps.
>  
>
>>Rocky
>>
>>
>>    
>>
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>
>  
>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Mar 21 16:15:24 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:15:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
	<39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44207AFC.30801@san.rr.com>

The calculator is too cool!

Rocky


Steve Erbach wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> ...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base 26.
>
> Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
>
> The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the
> digits 0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be
> senidenary to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.
>
> According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal,
> sexatrigesimal, and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.
>
> And then I found a very interesting utility at:
>
> http://www.edepot.com/win95.html
>
> It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers
> with over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in
> any base.  AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to
> any other base!  Hey! Hey!
>
> Steve Erbach
> http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
>
>
> On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>> When I was a teener and just staring out in computers, I heard form a
>> teacher that hexadecimal should really be called sexadecimal, but since
>> IBM was the arbiter of computer nomenclature at the time, and was (and
>> still is, I guess) a pretty strait laced company, they couldn't handle
>> sexadecimal and so we had hex dumps.  Instead of sex dumps.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 16:25:47 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:25:47 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <44207AFC.30801@san.rr.com>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<442040FB.6080208@san.rr.com>
	<39cb22f30603211148i15045dc0v494042e24a352cf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<44207AFC.30801@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603211425j49d26f51x810603d118f23871@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

Ain't it though?  I was particularly interested in the "Base
Encryption" discussion.  The idea of treating a text message as a
numeric quantity that can be manipulated arithmetically in Base 62 and
then converted to any other base is very intriguing.

The only other big number calculator I've seen is Mathematica.  This
Virtual Calc 2000 sure seems to do the trick if you just want to
juggle monster numbers.  Mathematica is fabulous stuff, but one has to
have the budget for it.

Steve Erbach

On 3/21/06, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> The calculator is too cool!
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Steve Erbach wrote:
> > Rocky,
> >
> > ...and, according to Wikipedia, hexavigesimal is the proper term for base 26.
> >
> > Interesting history of hexadecimal in Wikipedia:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal
> >
> > The Bendix corporation used a form of hexadecimal in 1956 using the
> > digits 0-9 and the letters u-z.  Proper Latin for hexadecimal would be
> > senidenary to go along with binary, trinary, quaternary, etc.
> >
> > According to WIkipedia, base 36 is called hexatridecimal,
> > sexatrigesimal, and hexatrigesimal.  My search is over.
> >
> > And then I found a very interesting utility at:
> >
> > http://www.edepot.com/win95.html
> >
> > It's a universal calculator that, believe it or not, handles numbers
> > with over 2 billion digits!  Also handles floating point numbers in
> > any base.  AND...it converts floating point numbers from any base to
> > any other base!  Hey! Hey!
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
> >


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 21 16:27:29 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:27:29 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>

There is no decimal point. It is implied.
Double Floating Point numbers are encoded by IEEE 754 for MS
1 bit sign (high order bit) really part of exponent by normalization
11 bit exponent
53 bit mantissa
However Intel FPU registers can handle 80 bits but that's another story 
for bedtime.

3FF is 1023 or 1 less than 1024 so there maybe some exponent bias to 
handle negative numbers and exponent
for 32 bit  exponent bias is =127 or 7F  approx 2^7 so needs 7 bits and 
1 sign bit storage

This is where it gets weird and has to be groked otherwise read the IEEE 
754 floating point standard

 The bias of the exponent.  Usually some fixed integer (typically
127 or 128 for an 8-bit exponent) is added to the exponent as a
"bias", since an exponent of all zero bits usually is reserved to
represent the number zero, which must be treated as a special case
since it cannot, like non-zero numbers, be represented as a
normalized floating-point number (a "normalized" f.p. number has a
most significant mantissa digit that's non-zero; if the most
significant mantissa digit is zero, the number is normalized by
shifting the mantissa left one digit while decreasing the exponent by
one, and repeating until either the most significant mantissa digit
becomes non-zero or until the exponent reaches its smallest possible
value, whichever comes first.  Since the number zero has all mantissa
digits zero, it cannot be normalized).
. The representation of the sign of the mantissa. Keeping the sign
in a separate sign bit, is called the  sign-magnitude representation
 and seems to be the most common representation today.
  Other, less common, representations is to use either ones-complement or
 twos-complement representation of the entire mantissa.

 If the mantissa is represented in binary normalized form, the most
significant bit will always be one (unless the the entire number is
zero) - therefore this bit need not be stored but can be implicit.
The IEEE 32-bit and 64-bit floating-point formats does not store this
bit.  Other formats (e.g. the 80-bit "extended IEEE" format used in
Intel x86 FPU's) does explicitly store the most significant mantissa
bit.  IEEE 854  double-extended-precision format (1 sign bit, 15 
exponent bits,
 16 empty bits, 64 mantissa bits).

Now if you think this is weird try it on a 36 bit word mainframe.




Steve Erbach wrote:

>Josh,
>
>I hear you on the cutoff.  I tried converting by hand the decimal
>number 1.07 to hex and got 1.11EB85 before I stopped.
>
>I did find an on-line calculator:
>
>http://babbage.cs.qc.edu/courses/cs341/IEEE-754.html
>
>Apparently, there's a standard way to represent floating point numbers
>in hex, but the resulting Hex number doesn't have a "decimal" point. 
>For example, 1.07 (decimal) comes out as 3FF11EB851EB851F using a
>64-bit double precision hex number.  You can see the string "11EB85"
>in that number, the same that I came up with manually, but I'm still
>puzzling over the beginning 3FF.
>
>The site has the complete JavaScript code for the conversion, so maybe
>I can figure out what the 3FF is for.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve Erbach
>http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
>
>
>On 3/21/06, Josh McFarlane <darsant at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>On 3/21/06, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Dear Group,
>>>
>>>There are about a jillion decimal to hex converters on the web.  But
>>>what I'm looking for is a converter that will handle decimal numbers
>>>with decimals.  That is, convert 1.0625 (decimal) to 1.1
>>>(hexadecimal).  I can write one that recursively takes the remainder
>>>from a division by higher and higher powers of 16 and dividing the
>>>remainder the the next higher power of sixteen, etc.  Just wondered if
>>>any of you had seen such a utility.
>>>      
>>>
>>Are you looking for something for integration into a system, or
>>something for personal use?
>>
>>Problem with trying to represent a floating decimal based number in a
>>different system is that you can't always get an exact value for the
>>number you want to represent, so any cnoversion utility would have to
>>have a cutoff point.
>>
>>I've tinkered with a C++ app to do it for me, but it's not anywhere
>>near professional, just a toy.
>>
>>--
>>Josh McFarlane
>>    
>>
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>  
>

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Canada





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar 22 07:37:22 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:37:22 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Portable PC? -> Laptop w/o Screen?
Message-ID: <000901c64db5$c0405a20$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Is there a company that sells a small portable PC, perhaps with an
integrated keyboard, which can be used to easily carry and plug into a
monitor wherever it is?  I know of someone who could specifically use this
to go back and forth between the cabin and home!

Thanks!

Dan 



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 22 07:58:17 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:58:17 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Portable PC? -> Laptop w/o Screen?
In-Reply-To: <000901c64db5$c0405a20$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000901c64db5$c0405a20$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <442157F9.90308@san.rr.com>

They've pretty much all have a monitor port on them don't they?  Some of 
the notebooks are real small but the keyboards are a little cramped for 
me. But they mostly have keyboard ports as well so he could leave a 
monitor and keyboard in the cabin, no?

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Is there a company that sells a small portable PC, perhaps with an
> integrated keyboard, which can be used to easily carry and plug into a
> monitor wherever it is?  I know of someone who could specifically use this
> to go back and forth between the cabin and home!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan 
>
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>
>   

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 08:30:59 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:30:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603220630l22e1dde4yf3694c359868d6a8@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

Thanks for the excellent technical description.  On the demo web site
for the hex conversion there's a breakdown into those three segments
you mentioned, so one can see how it's divvied up.

I am intensely curious as to whether the Virtual Calc 2000 routines
are callable in VBA.  When you consider that Long Integers only go up
to 2^20, and that functions like Mod are limited to numbers of that
size, too, the achievement of folks like Po-Han Lin and Stephen
Wolfram is even more marvelous.

I'd love to be able to call a routine that would, say, convert a
string of text (in base 62, say) to base 36 after multiplying by pi to
100 decimal places.  The only way that Access could handle numbers of
that size, of course, would be as strings...but that would be more
than adequate if it could just be done as a function call.

Mr. Po-Han's calculator is really something.  I'm going to buy the
shareware version so that I can directly manipulate scientific
notation.  I intend to write to him to find out about whether he has a
DLL available with those fabulous functions.

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/21/06, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> There is no decimal point. It is implied.
> Double Floating Point numbers are encoded by IEEE 754 for MS
> 1 bit sign (high order bit) really part of exponent by normalization
> 11 bit exponent
> 53 bit mantissa
> However Intel FPU registers can handle 80 bits but that's another story
> for bedtime.
>
> 3FF is 1023 or 1 less than 1024 so there maybe some exponent bias to
> handle negative numbers and exponent
> for 32 bit  exponent bias is =127 or 7F  approx 2^7 so needs 7 bits and
> 1 sign bit storage
>
> This is where it gets weird and has to be groked otherwise read the IEEE
> 754 floating point standard
>
>  The bias of the exponent.  Usually some fixed integer (typically
> 127 or 128 for an 8-bit exponent) is added to the exponent as a
> "bias", since an exponent of all zero bits usually is reserved to
> represent the number zero, which must be treated as a special case
> since it cannot, like non-zero numbers, be represented as a
> normalized floating-point number (a "normalized" f.p. number has a
> most significant mantissa digit that's non-zero; if the most
> significant mantissa digit is zero, the number is normalized by
> shifting the mantissa left one digit while decreasing the exponent by
> one, and repeating until either the most significant mantissa digit
> becomes non-zero or until the exponent reaches its smallest possible
> value, whichever comes first.  Since the number zero has all mantissa
> digits zero, it cannot be normalized).
> . The representation of the sign of the mantissa. Keeping the sign
> in a separate sign bit, is called the  sign-magnitude representation
>  and seems to be the most common representation today.
>   Other, less common, representations is to use either ones-complement or
>  twos-complement representation of the entire mantissa.
>
>  If the mantissa is represented in binary normalized form, the most
> significant bit will always be one (unless the the entire number is
> zero) - therefore this bit need not be stored but can be implicit.
> The IEEE 32-bit and 64-bit floating-point formats does not store this
> bit.  Other formats (e.g. the 80-bit "extended IEEE" format used in
> Intel x86 FPU's) does explicitly store the most significant mantissa
> bit.  IEEE 854  double-extended-precision format (1 sign bit, 15
> exponent bits,
>  16 empty bits, 64 mantissa bits).
>
> Now if you think this is weird try it on a 36 bit word mainframe.
>
>
>


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 08:39:00 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:39:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603220639q3466a00fsc27eebdf222684cf@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

I mean 2^31 - 1.

Steve Erbach

On 3/21/06, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> There is no decimal point. It is implied.
> Double Floating Point numbers are encoded by IEEE 754 for MS
> 1 bit sign (high order bit) really part of exponent by normalization
> 11 bit exponent
> 53 bit mantissa
> However Intel FPU registers can handle 80 bits but that's another story
> for bedtime.
>
> 3FF is 1023 or 1 less than 1024 so there maybe some exponent bias to
> handle negative numbers and exponent
> for 32 bit  exponent bias is =127 or 7F  approx 2^7 so needs 7 bits and
> 1 sign bit storage


From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Wed Mar 22 08:46:48 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:46:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Portable PC? -> Laptop w/o Screen?
In-Reply-To: <442157F9.90308@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c64dbf$736307c0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

This works quite well.  Plug your monitor and a USB Keyboard and mouse into
a Laptop.  Even better it is quite useable in a car / motel where you do not
have your normal keyboard / monitor.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Portable PC? -> Laptop w/o Screen?

They've pretty much all have a monitor port on them don't they?  Some of the
notebooks are real small but the keyboards are a little cramped for me. But
they mostly have keyboard ports as well so he could leave a monitor and
keyboard in the cabin, no?

Rocky


Dan Waters wrote:
> Is there a company that sells a small portable PC, perhaps with an 
> integrated keyboard, which can be used to easily carry and plug into a 
> monitor wherever it is?  I know of someone who could specifically use 
> this to go back and forth between the cabin and home!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 22 10:48:03 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:48:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
	<39cb22f30603220630l22e1dde4yf3694c359868d6a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44217FC3.3040207@shaw.ca>

You could try dll's like this, there is a dos command line function 
available as well with MAPM
You need these when computing things like  least-squares curve-fitting 
algorithms above 10'th order polynomials
There are a lot of these packages out there, including commercial 
packages right up to the cost of SAS and SPSS
Most engineering companies will have already purchased these types of 
packages.
You will lose a factor of 10 to 20 in speed using these packages.
I haven't really touched them since doing stress analysis of icebreaker 
hulls.
but now they are becoming more needed in fields like genome and genetic 
research.
Anyway this is a freebie

MAPM, A Portable Arbitrary Precision Math Library in C. Open source
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ringx004/mapm-main.html
Article C++ user Journal
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ringx004/article-main.html


Steve Erbach wrote:

>Marty,
>
>Thanks for the excellent technical description.  On the demo web site
>for the hex conversion there's a breakdown into those three segments
>you mentioned, so one can see how it's divvied up.
>
>I am intensely curious as to whether the Virtual Calc 2000 routines
>are callable in VBA.  When you consider that Long Integers only go up
>to 2^20, and that functions like Mod are limited to numbers of that
>size, too, the achievement of folks like Po-Han Lin and Stephen
>Wolfram is even more marvelous.
>
>I'd love to be able to call a routine that would, say, convert a
>string of text (in base 62, say) to base 36 after multiplying by pi to
>100 decimal places.  The only way that Access could handle numbers of
>that size, of course, would be as strings...but that would be more
>than adequate if it could just be done as a function call.
>
>Mr. Po-Han's calculator is really something.  I'm going to buy the
>shareware version so that I can directly manipulate scientific
>notation.  I intend to write to him to find out about whether he has a
>DLL available with those fabulous functions.
>
>Steve Erbach
>http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com
>
>
>On 3/21/06, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>  
>
>>There is no decimal point. It is implied.
>>Double Floating Point numbers are encoded by IEEE 754 for MS
>>1 bit sign (high order bit) really part of exponent by normalization
>>11 bit exponent
>>53 bit mantissa
>>However Intel FPU registers can handle 80 bits but that's another story
>>for bedtime.
>>
>>3FF is 1023 or 1 less than 1024 so there maybe some exponent bias to
>>handle negative numbers and exponent
>>for 32 bit  exponent bias is =127 or 7F  approx 2^7 so needs 7 bits and
>>1 sign bit storage
>>
>>This is where it gets weird and has to be groked otherwise read the IEEE
>>754 floating point standard
>>
>> The bias of the exponent.  Usually some fixed integer (typically
>>127 or 128 for an 8-bit exponent) is added to the exponent as a
>>"bias", since an exponent of all zero bits usually is reserved to
>>represent the number zero, which must be treated as a special case
>>since it cannot, like non-zero numbers, be represented as a
>>normalized floating-point number (a "normalized" f.p. number has a
>>most significant mantissa digit that's non-zero; if the most
>>significant mantissa digit is zero, the number is normalized by
>>shifting the mantissa left one digit while decreasing the exponent by
>>one, and repeating until either the most significant mantissa digit
>>becomes non-zero or until the exponent reaches its smallest possible
>>value, whichever comes first.  Since the number zero has all mantissa
>>digits zero, it cannot be normalized).
>>. The representation of the sign of the mantissa. Keeping the sign
>>in a separate sign bit, is called the  sign-magnitude representation
>> and seems to be the most common representation today.
>>  Other, less common, representations is to use either ones-complement or
>> twos-complement representation of the entire mantissa.
>>
>> If the mantissa is represented in binary normalized form, the most
>>significant bit will always be one (unless the the entire number is
>>zero) - therefore this bit need not be stored but can be implicit.
>>The IEEE 32-bit and 64-bit floating-point formats does not store this
>>bit.  Other formats (e.g. the 80-bit "extended IEEE" format used in
>>Intel x86 FPU's) does explicitly store the most significant mantissa
>>bit.  IEEE 854  double-extended-precision format (1 sign bit, 15
>>exponent bits,
>> 16 empty bits, 64 mantissa bits).
>>
>>Now if you think this is weird try it on a 36 bit word mainframe.
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 14:45:17 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:45:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Conversion of REAL decimal numbers to Hex
In-Reply-To: <44217FC3.3040207@shaw.ca>
References: <39cb22f30603210942heab3778x3a15fed7cc8e95c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<53c8e05a0603210945k1280b5afjd6788a2236f2c54e@mail.gmail.com>
	<39cb22f30603211005gaa1a3e7tfb52f8e21e8ac2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<44207DD1.2070808@shaw.ca>
	<39cb22f30603220630l22e1dde4yf3694c359868d6a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<44217FC3.3040207@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603221245l1dec5694s4d11274e232db326@mail.gmail.com>

Marty,

Interesting.  I don't have a C++ compiler, however...unless Visual
Studio 6, 2003, or 2005 has one.

Steve Erbach

On 3/22/06, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> You could try dll's like this, there is a dos command line function
> available as well with MAPM
> You need these when computing things like  least-squares curve-fitting
> algorithms above 10'th order polynomials
> There are a lot of these packages out there, including commercial
> packages right up to the cost of SAS and SPSS
> Most engineering companies will have already purchased these types of
> packages.
> You will lose a factor of 10 to 20 in speed using these packages.
> I haven't really touched them since doing stress analysis of icebreaker
> hulls.
> but now they are becoming more needed in fields like genome and genetic
> research.
> Anyway this is a freebie
>
> MAPM, A Portable Arbitrary Precision Math Library in C. Open source
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ringx004/mapm-main.html
> Article C++ user Journal
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ringx004/article-main.html
>
>
> Steve Erbach wrote:
>
> >Marty,
> >
> >Thanks for the excellent technical description.  On the demo web site
> >for the hex conversion there's a breakdown into those three segments
> >you mentioned, so one can see how it's divvied up.
> >
> >I am intensely curious as to whether the Virtual Calc 2000 routines
> >are callable in VBA.  When you consider that Long Integers only go up
> >to 2^20, and that functions like Mod are limited to numbers of that
> >size, too, the achievement of folks like Po-Han Lin and Stephen
> >Wolfram is even more marvelous.
> >
> >I'd love to be able to call a routine that would, say, convert a
> >string of text (in base 62, say) to base 36 after multiplying by pi to
> >100 decimal places.  The only way that Access could handle numbers of
> >that size, of course, would be as strings...but that would be more
> >than adequate if it could just be done as a function call.
> >
> >Mr. Po-Han's calculator is really something.  I'm going to buy the
> >shareware version so that I can directly manipulate scientific
> >notation.  I intend to write to him to find out about whether he has a
> >DLL available with those fabulous functions.
> >
> >Steve Erbach
> >http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 16:38:57 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:38:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603221438p3ad6656dye2c778c636f11de1@mail.gmail.com>

...or perhaps I should say the flexibility or forgiving-ness of DVD
players.  We have a 5-disk changer made by Panasonic that recently
went on the fritz.  We'll take it to a local electronics shop for
service soon.  It pretty much played most DVDs, but it had problems
with DVDs created with your garden variety DVD burner.

We got a VCR/DVD player combination for Christmas and that thing is
very touchy playing DVDs, even pristine brand-new disks.  The movie
will be going along fine and then, halfway through, the image will
pixelize and halt.

My son has an X Box that plays just about everything with no problems.
 The only thing that it wouldn't play was a DVD someone sent me that
had a couple of old TV shows on it.  Now my PC's DVD/CD-Writer combo
DID play that DVD just fine, but it was the only device in the house
that did.

My question is, do you lot have any feel for which DVD players or
player/burners are better at playing most kinds of DVDs?  It's great
that my PC's DVD player is so capable, but I don't want to watch
movies on a 19" screen by myself.

Any recommendations for consumer electronics DVD player brands or models?

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Mar 22 23:46:01 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:46:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
Message-ID: <44223619.8060909@san.rr.com>

When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky

-- 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 03:47:10 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:47:10 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A81@ALCUXB>

Check out TweakUI, there's bound to be some options in there for that kinda
thing, or dare I say it a bigger monitor? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 23 March 2006 05:46
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs


When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 03:48:22 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:48:22 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A82@ALCUXB>

I have an LG VCR/DVD combo that I got for Christmas a couple of years ago,
and I have to say that it's brilliant. Normally with electronic stuff, I'd
go for a brand name, like Panasonic or Sony, but this LG is great.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
Sent: 22 March 2006 22:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players


...or perhaps I should say the flexibility or forgiving-ness of DVD
players.  We have a 5-disk changer made by Panasonic that recently
went on the fritz.  We'll take it to a local electronics shop for
service soon.  It pretty much played most DVDs, but it had problems
with DVDs created with your garden variety DVD burner.

We got a VCR/DVD player combination for Christmas and that thing is
very touchy playing DVDs, even pristine brand-new disks.  The movie
will be going along fine and then, halfway through, the image will
pixelize and halt.

My son has an X Box that plays just about everything with no problems.
 The only thing that it wouldn't play was a DVD someone sent me that
had a couple of old TV shows on it.  Now my PC's DVD/CD-Writer combo
DID play that DVD just fine, but it was the only device in the house
that did.

My question is, do you lot have any feel for which DVD players or
player/burners are better at playing most kinds of DVDs?  It's great
that my PC's DVD player is so capable, but I don't want to watch
movies on a 19" screen by myself.

Any recommendations for consumer electronics DVD player brands or models?

--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
www.swerbach.com
Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security
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From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com  Thu Mar 23 06:25:29 2006
From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:25:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <44223619.8060909@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003701c64e74$e000cec0$647aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Sounds like you have too much stuff

;~) 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:46 AM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs

When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs and
the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to change
the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky

--
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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From djkr at msn.com  Thu Mar 23 06:45:56 2006
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:45:56 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A81@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV9ADE9721CA38725B064ECD2DE0@phx.gbl>

Only room for two columns suggests the bigger monitor, but perhaps you have
very wide columns?  (I have room for five, but only use two.)  

The column width is determined by the length of the longest name appearing,
so you could rename some of your longest items to give them shorter names.
(One of my longest is "Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit 4.0",
suggesting "MS App ..." for a start.)

You could also group some of the entries into appropriate folders, thereby
reducing the number in the main list;  I keep meaning to do this to make my
100-ish easier to find!

HTH
John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 23 March 2006 09:47
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs


Check out TweakUI, there's bound to be some options in there for that kinda
thing, or dare I say it a bigger monitor? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 23 March 2006 05:46
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs


When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky

-- 
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Mar 23 07:06:00 2006
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:06:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D78C37@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35151@ADGSERVER>

Yes there is.

Right-click on the start menu and select explore.

Under your start menu, create some folders such as Graphics, Dev, Utilities,
etc.

Then either from explorer or from the start/programs menu itself, simply
drag and drop items to the folders you created earlier (or are already
existing).

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:46 AM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs


When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 23 10:01:38 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:01:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <44223619.8060909@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <032101c64e93$12987c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Right click on the Start Button:
If you're using "Classic Start Menu" (the one that works like win98 and
win2k) then click "customize", scroll the list of "advanced Start menu
options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking enable
dragging and dropping too.

If you're using "Start Menu" (the default for winXP) then click "customize",
and click the advanced tab, scroll the list of "Start menu options" and
check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking enable dragging and
dropping too. You could also click the general tab and choose use small
icons. That will make a big difference.

Using Drag & Drop is a little tricky but once you get the hang of it you can
rearrange the folders on the start menu system at will. You have to click
and then click again and hold and then you can drag an icon or folder to
another folder. Or you can right click and delete!

I generally rearrange my start menu items as such:
I rename one of the dozen or so Microsoft folders to just "Microsoft" and
drag and drop all the other folders into it. I also have a folder named
developer tools and then drag all those individuals little things I like to
use into it. I delete folders for automatic type utilities that I never go
to the start menu to use - like WinZip, Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc. I also
get rid of all the icons that are plastered all over the place like Windows
Media player, Outlook Express, Internet Explorer, Messenger, Remote
Assistance, etc. They are deeper in the start menu system under Accessories.
I also drag most icons that relate to those - Music Match, Yahoo Messenger,
etc. to the same folder in accessories. So if I need an IM client I can go
to Start - Programs - Accessories and pick the one I want. If I want a music
player I do the same. After a while the ones I always use are either added
to the desktop, Quick launch toolbar (which I customize to my liking-along
with a custom toolbar I add) or show up on the main Start menu because they
are used so much. And in some cases added to the top of the Start menu
because I use them constantly (right click, pin to start menu). I also
remove anything that I access through a right click on the My Computer icon.
I do pretty much all of my PC "management" via the right click on the
desktop's My computer icon. BTW I turn on the desktop My Computer, My
Documents and Internet Explorer icons via the display settings, desktop,
customize options.

Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't (maybe 15 minutes), and well, its my
pc I want it to serve my needs! I presently have approx. 100 hundred
programs installed (according to my inventory software) and basically have
one or two click access to everything I use on a regular basis. 

Just remember anything that's a shortcut can be removed but can always be
replaced later. The entire "Programs" branch of the start menu are shortcut
icons.

HTH
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:46 PM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs

When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs and
the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to change
the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?

TIA

Rocky

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar 23 10:17:41 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:17:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <032101c64e93$12987c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <032101c64e93$12987c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <4422CA25.4030408@san.rr.com>

John:

When I right-click Start I don't get a 'customize' option on the pop-up 
menu.

Rocky


John Bartow wrote:
> Right click on the Start Button:
> If you're using "Classic Start Menu" (the one that works like win98 and
> win2k) then click "customize", scroll the list of "advanced Start menu
> options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking enable
> dragging and dropping too.
>
> If you're using "Start Menu" (the default for winXP) then click "customize",
> and click the advanced tab, scroll the list of "Start menu options" and
> check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking enable dragging and
> dropping too. You could also click the general tab and choose use small
> icons. That will make a big difference.
>
> Using Drag & Drop is a little tricky but once you get the hang of it you can
> rearrange the folders on the start menu system at will. You have to click
> and then click again and hold and then you can drag an icon or folder to
> another folder. Or you can right click and delete!
>
> I generally rearrange my start menu items as such:
> I rename one of the dozen or so Microsoft folders to just "Microsoft" and
> drag and drop all the other folders into it. I also have a folder named
> developer tools and then drag all those individuals little things I like to
> use into it. I delete folders for automatic type utilities that I never go
> to the start menu to use - like WinZip, Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc. I also
> get rid of all the icons that are plastered all over the place like Windows
> Media player, Outlook Express, Internet Explorer, Messenger, Remote
> Assistance, etc. They are deeper in the start menu system under Accessories.
> I also drag most icons that relate to those - Music Match, Yahoo Messenger,
> etc. to the same folder in accessories. So if I need an IM client I can go
> to Start - Programs - Accessories and pick the one I want. If I want a music
> player I do the same. After a while the ones I always use are either added
> to the desktop, Quick launch toolbar (which I customize to my liking-along
> with a custom toolbar I add) or show up on the main Start menu because they
> are used so much. And in some cases added to the top of the Start menu
> because I use them constantly (right click, pin to start menu). I also
> remove anything that I access through a right click on the My Computer icon.
> I do pretty much all of my PC "management" via the right click on the
> desktop's My computer icon. BTW I turn on the desktop My Computer, My
> Documents and Internet Explorer icons via the display settings, desktop,
> customize options.
>
> Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't (maybe 15 minutes), and well, its my
> pc I want it to serve my needs! I presently have approx. 100 hundred
> programs installed (according to my inventory software) and basically have
> one or two click access to everything I use on a regular basis. 
>
> Just remember anything that's a shortcut can be removed but can always be
> replaced later. The entire "Programs" branch of the start menu are shortcut
> icons.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:46 PM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
>
> When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs and
> the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to change
> the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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www.e-z-mrp.com



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar 23 10:29:32 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:29:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35151@ADGSERVER>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30D35151@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <4422CCEC.5080706@san.rr.com>

Bobby:

Between making some new folders and shortening some names, it all fits 
now. I'm still on 800x600 mostly because I distribute to a lot of 
different customers and have to design for the lowest common 
denominator.  lus at higher settings the stuff gets too small.  Maybe 
it's time for a 19 inch flat panel.

Thanks

Rocky


Bobby Heid wrote:
> Yes there is.
>
> Right-click on the start menu and select explore.
>
> Under your start menu, create some folders such as Graphics, Dev, Utilities,
> etc.
>
> Then either from explorer or from the start/programs menu itself, simply
> drag and drop items to the folders you created earlier (or are already
> existing).
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:46 AM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
>
>
> When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
> and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
> change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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>
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Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com



From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 10:48:32 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30603221438p3ad6656dye2c778c636f11de1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603221438p3ad6656dye2c778c636f11de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950603230848v68e7d98bv8e888375a1d24c19@mail.gmail.com>

We have two 5 disk DVD changers at our house. The older is a Sony. It
was bought a few years back, probably 5 to 8 when we first wanted DVD
capability in our livingroom. It replaced a 5 disk Sony CD changer
that got relegated to duty on a different system. The Sony DVD has had
the same freeze up issue you describe. We don't watch that many DVD's
with it though, so I don't have a good feel for the frequency. On the
ones it had problems with there were fingerprints and/or scratches as
they were borrowed disks that had not been handled very carefully.
Generally cleaning the disks helped, but I don't think it completely
eliminated the issue either.

The newer 5 disk DVD changer is a Yamaha and while it has never
skipped or frozen or had any issues, it has lead a sheltered life so
to speak as it has mostly only played disks in pretty pristene
condition.   And I don't have any burned disks only store bought ones.

I do have another 5 disk CD Changer that is causing me problems
though. It is a Technics one that came with a rack mounted stereo
system. I guess it's about 15 years old or so, circa 1990. It was my
main system for years until I got an entire new system in 2004 and it
got moved to another room under my wife's control. (Funny I get her
old FURNITURE in MY room and she gets MY old electronics in HER room)
When I had it I had noticed that it was skipping on CD's that I had
burned on certain tracks, but it worked fine on all store bought CD's.
Now it seems to be skipping on EVERYTHING. I'm guessing that it will
cost more to repair it that it will to replace it, so I am thinking
it's days are numbered. I think I will rotate in the aformentioned
Sony 5 disk CD changer.

I know when I first started burning CD's that many older CD players
would not play my burned CD's while the newer CD players had no
problem with them. Was particularly a problem in vehicles it seemed.
Perhaps something similar is going on with the DVD's relating to the
burned DVDs. Over the years as we got newer vehicles with newer CD
players the problem essentally went away. Although I have noticed that
the CD walkman I use at work is now skipping on some of my homebrewed
CD's of late. It never used to do that and it made me wonder if the
CD's themselves are beginning to "go bad".

Good luck with it!  Hope you get it all fixed up and playing smoothly
again soon.

GK

On 3/22/06, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...or perhaps I should say the flexibility or forgiving-ness of DVD
> players.  We have a 5-disk changer made by Panasonic that recently
> went on the fritz.  We'll take it to a local electronics shop for
> service soon.  It pretty much played most DVDs, but it had problems
> with DVDs created with your garden variety DVD burner.
>
> We got a VCR/DVD player combination for Christmas and that thing is
> very touchy playing DVDs, even pristine brand-new disks.  The movie
> will be going along fine and then, halfway through, the image will
> pixelize and halt.
>
> My son has an X Box that plays just about everything with no problems.
>  The only thing that it wouldn't play was a DVD someone sent me that
> had a couple of old TV shows on it.  Now my PC's DVD/CD-Writer combo
> DID play that DVD just fine, but it was the only device in the house
> that did.
>
> My question is, do you lot have any feel for which DVD players or
> player/burners are better at playing most kinds of DVDs?  It's great
> that my PC's DVD player is so capable, but I don't want to watch
> movies on a 19" screen by myself.
>
> Any recommendations for consumer electronics DVD player brands or models?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> www.swerbach.com
> Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 10:59:35 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:59:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A82@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A82@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603230859g1897475jb7ca67f0ad5a13c3@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

Have you tried playing DVDs that you've burned yourself on this unit?

Steve Erbach

On 3/23/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> I have an LG VCR/DVD combo that I got for Christmas a couple of years ago,
> and I have to say that it's brilliant. Normally with electronic stuff, I'd
> go for a brand name, like Panasonic or Sony, but this LG is great.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 22 March 2006 22:39
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
>
>
> ...or perhaps I should say the flexibility or forgiving-ness of DVD
> players.  We have a 5-disk changer made by Panasonic that recently
> went on the fritz.  We'll take it to a local electronics shop for
> service soon.  It pretty much played most DVDs, but it had problems
> with DVDs created with your garden variety DVD burner.
>
> We got a VCR/DVD player combination for Christmas and that thing is
> very touchy playing DVDs, even pristine brand-new disks.  The movie
> will be going along fine and then, halfway through, the image will
> pixelize and halt.


From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 11:03:09 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:03:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950603230848v68e7d98bv8e888375a1d24c19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f30603221438p3ad6656dye2c778c636f11de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<aea6c4950603230848v68e7d98bv8e888375a1d24c19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603230903u1890becfkada3e1447037b027@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

I guess this is just one of those areas where it pays to do some
consumer research before buying...though in getting a Christmas
present from a friend one has to take what one gets.

My PC's internal CD Rewritable/DVD-ROM has been a brick.  Lets see,
it's a Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R1202.  It hasn't failed to play anything
I've put in there, including a funky DVD burned by a friend that would
NOT play in my son's XBox, normally the brickiest DVD player in the
house.

Thanks, Gary.

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 3/23/06, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> We have two 5 disk DVD changers at our house. The older is a Sony. It
> was bought a few years back, probably 5 to 8 when we first wanted DVD
> capability in our livingroom. It replaced a 5 disk Sony CD changer
> that got relegated to duty on a different system. The Sony DVD has had
> the same freeze up issue you describe. We don't watch that many DVD's
> with it though, so I don't have a good feel for the frequency. On the
> ones it had problems with there were fingerprints and/or scratches as
> they were borrowed disks that had not been handled very carefully.
> Generally cleaning the disks helped, but I don't think it completely
> eliminated the issue either.
>
> The newer 5 disk DVD changer is a Yamaha and while it has never
> skipped or frozen or had any issues, it has lead a sheltered life so
> to speak as it has mostly only played disks in pretty pristene
> condition.   And I don't have any burned disks only store bought ones.
>
> I do have another 5 disk CD Changer that is causing me problems
> though. It is a Technics one that came with a rack mounted stereo
> system. I guess it's about 15 years old or so, circa 1990. It was my
> main system for years until I got an entire new system in 2004 and it
> got moved to another room under my wife's control. (Funny I get her
> old FURNITURE in MY room and she gets MY old electronics in HER room)
> When I had it I had noticed that it was skipping on CD's that I had
> burned on certain tracks, but it worked fine on all store bought CD's.
> Now it seems to be skipping on EVERYTHING. I'm guessing that it will
> cost more to repair it that it will to replace it, so I am thinking
> it's days are numbered. I think I will rotate in the aformentioned
> Sony 5 disk CD changer.
>
> I know when I first started burning CD's that many older CD players
> would not play my burned CD's while the newer CD players had no
> problem with them. Was particularly a problem in vehicles it seemed.
> Perhaps something similar is going on with the DVD's relating to the
> burned DVDs. Over the years as we got newer vehicles with newer CD
> players the problem essentally went away. Although I have noticed that
> the CD walkman I use at work is now skipping on some of my homebrewed
> CD's of late. It never used to do that and it made me wonder if the
> CD's themselves are beginning to "go bad".
>
> Good luck with it!  Hope you get it all fixed up and playing smoothly
> again soon.
>
> GK


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 11:02:52 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:02:52 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84A99@ALCUXB>

No, but I've not burned anything myself. I'll borrow something off a friend
and see how it goes.

Actually, there is one disc it has trouble with, but as I've trouble with it
on every player I've tried it in, I'm pretty sure it's the disc.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
Sent: 23 March 2006 17:00
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players


Jon,

Have you tried playing DVDs that you've burned yourself on this unit?

Steve Erbach

On 3/23/06, Jon Tydda <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> I have an LG VCR/DVD combo that I got for Christmas a couple of years ago,
> and I have to say that it's brilliant. Normally with electronic stuff, I'd
> go for a brand name, like Panasonic or Sony, but this LG is great.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Erbach [mailto:erbachs at gmail.com]
> Sent: 22 March 2006 22:39
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
>
>
> ...or perhaps I should say the flexibility or forgiving-ness of DVD
> players.  We have a 5-disk changer made by Panasonic that recently
> went on the fritz.  We'll take it to a local electronics shop for
> service soon.  It pretty much played most DVDs, but it had problems
> with DVDs created with your garden variety DVD burner.
>
> We got a VCR/DVD player combination for Christmas and that thing is
> very touchy playing DVDs, even pristine brand-new disks.  The movie
> will be going along fine and then, halfway through, the image will
> pixelize and halt.
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 23 11:33:03 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:33:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <4422CA25.4030408@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c64e9f$d73d6750$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Sorry I missed the first step -its "properties"

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs

John:

When I right-click Start I don't get a 'customize' option on the pop-up
menu.

Rocky


John Bartow wrote:
> Right click on the Start Button:
> If you're using "Classic Start Menu" (the one that works like win98 
> and
> win2k) then click "customize", scroll the list of "advanced Start menu 
> options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking 
> enable dragging and dropping too.
>
> If you're using "Start Menu" (the default for winXP) then click 
> "customize", and click the advanced tab, scroll the list of "Start 
> menu options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest 
> checking enable dragging and dropping too. You could also click the 
> general tab and choose use small icons. That will make a big difference.
>
> Using Drag & Drop is a little tricky but once you get the hang of it 
> you can rearrange the folders on the start menu system at will. You 
> have to click and then click again and hold and then you can drag an 
> icon or folder to another folder. Or you can right click and delete!
>
> I generally rearrange my start menu items as such:
> I rename one of the dozen or so Microsoft folders to just "Microsoft" 
> and drag and drop all the other folders into it. I also have a folder 
> named developer tools and then drag all those individuals little 
> things I like to use into it. I delete folders for automatic type 
> utilities that I never go to the start menu to use - like WinZip, 
> Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc. I also get rid of all the icons that are 
> plastered all over the place like Windows Media player, Outlook 
> Express, Internet Explorer, Messenger, Remote Assistance, etc. They are
deeper in the start menu system under Accessories.
> I also drag most icons that relate to those - Music Match, Yahoo 
> Messenger, etc. to the same folder in accessories. So if I need an IM 
> client I can go to Start - Programs - Accessories and pick the one I 
> want. If I want a music player I do the same. After a while the ones I 
> always use are either added to the desktop, Quick launch toolbar 
> (which I customize to my liking-along with a custom toolbar I add) or 
> show up on the main Start menu because they are used so much. And in 
> some cases added to the top of the Start menu because I use them 
> constantly (right click, pin to start menu). I also remove anything that I
access through a right click on the My Computer icon.
> I do pretty much all of my PC "management" via the right click on the 
> desktop's My computer icon. BTW I turn on the desktop My Computer, My 
> Documents and Internet Explorer icons via the display settings, 
> desktop, customize options.
>
> Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't (maybe 15 minutes), and well, 
> its my pc I want it to serve my needs! I presently have approx. 100 
> hundred programs installed (according to my inventory software) and 
> basically have one or two click access to everything I use on a regular
basis.
>
> Just remember anything that's a shortcut can be removed but can always 
> be replaced later. The entire "Programs" branch of the start menu are 
> shortcut icons.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:46 PM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
>
> When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
> and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
> change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
> --
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Mar 23 12:05:17 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:05:17 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c64e9f$d73d6750$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <002d01c64e9f$d73d6750$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <4422E35D.10706@san.rr.com>

Aha!  There it was right in front of my nose.  Works well, too.  Thank 
you. 

Rocky


John Bartow wrote:
> Sorry I missed the first step -its "properties"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
>
> John:
>
> When I right-click Start I don't get a 'customize' option on the pop-up
> menu.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Right click on the Start Button:
>> If you're using "Classic Start Menu" (the one that works like win98 
>> and
>> win2k) then click "customize", scroll the list of "advanced Start menu 
>> options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest checking 
>> enable dragging and dropping too.
>>
>> If you're using "Start Menu" (the default for winXP) then click 
>> "customize", and click the advanced tab, scroll the list of "Start 
>> menu options" and check "scroll programs" - While there I suggest 
>> checking enable dragging and dropping too. You could also click the 
>> general tab and choose use small icons. That will make a big difference.
>>
>> Using Drag & Drop is a little tricky but once you get the hang of it 
>> you can rearrange the folders on the start menu system at will. You 
>> have to click and then click again and hold and then you can drag an 
>> icon or folder to another folder. Or you can right click and delete!
>>
>> I generally rearrange my start menu items as such:
>> I rename one of the dozen or so Microsoft folders to just "Microsoft" 
>> and drag and drop all the other folders into it. I also have a folder 
>> named developer tools and then drag all those individuals little 
>> things I like to use into it. I delete folders for automatic type 
>> utilities that I never go to the start menu to use - like WinZip, 
>> Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc. I also get rid of all the icons that are 
>> plastered all over the place like Windows Media player, Outlook 
>> Express, Internet Explorer, Messenger, Remote Assistance, etc. They are
>>     
> deeper in the start menu system under Accessories.
>   
>> I also drag most icons that relate to those - Music Match, Yahoo 
>> Messenger, etc. to the same folder in accessories. So if I need an IM 
>> client I can go to Start - Programs - Accessories and pick the one I 
>> want. If I want a music player I do the same. After a while the ones I 
>> always use are either added to the desktop, Quick launch toolbar 
>> (which I customize to my liking-along with a custom toolbar I add) or 
>> show up on the main Start menu because they are used so much. And in 
>> some cases added to the top of the Start menu because I use them 
>> constantly (right click, pin to start menu). I also remove anything that I
>>     
> access through a right click on the My Computer icon.
>   
>> I do pretty much all of my PC "management" via the right click on the 
>> desktop's My computer icon. BTW I turn on the desktop My Computer, My 
>> Documents and Internet Explorer icons via the display settings, 
>> desktop, customize options.
>>
>> Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't (maybe 15 minutes), and well, 
>> its my pc I want it to serve my needs! I presently have approx. 100 
>> hundred programs installed (according to my inventory software) and 
>> basically have one or two click access to everything I use on a regular
>>     
> basis.
>   
>> Just remember anything that's a shortcut can be removed but can always 
>> be replaced later. The entire "Programs" branch of the start menu are 
>> shortcut icons.
>>
>> HTH
>> John B.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin - Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:46 PM
>> To: dba-tech
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
>>
>> When I click Start-->>Programs there are now three columns of programs 
>> and the third one if off the screen to the right.  Is there any way to 
>> change the formatting of this to get them all on the screen?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 23 15:37:33 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:37:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <032101c64e93$12987c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <44223619.8060909@san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4423A1BD.9671.DB6EB3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Mar 2006 at 10:01, John Bartow wrote:

> I generally rearrange my start menu items as such:
..
Sounds very much like the way I organise mine , except for: 

> I delete folders for automatic type utilities that I never go
> to the start menu to use - like WinZip, Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc. 

These folders often contain shortcuts to UnInstal and a few other goodies. 
Rather than deleting them, I have a first level folder  called "Shell 
Tools" that I hide them in.



 

-- 
Stuart




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 23 22:09:53 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:09:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start-->Programs
In-Reply-To: <4423A1BD.9671.DB6EB3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <020a01c64ef8$cdf0bcc0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Stuart,
Good point. I forgot all about that!

One should definitely check the windows add/remove applet before deleting an
uninstall shortcut for a program. Some years ago I actually had an
"Uninstall" folder for those rogues that don't list themselves with Windows.
I haven't noticed one for awhile now. If I do have any I guess they must be
good programs because I haven't had to unistall them :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

Sounds very much like the way I organise mine , except for: 

> I delete folders for automatic type utilities that I never go to the 
> start menu to use - like WinZip, Adobe Reader, QuickTime, etc.

These folders often contain shortcuts to UnInstal and a few other goodies. 
Rather than deleting them, I have a first level folder  called "Shell Tools"
that I hide them in.



 

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 24 08:59:58 2006
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:59:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950603230848v68e7d98bv8e888375a1d24c19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c64f53$9f296d50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have an APEX unit which plays DVD's, CDs, MP3s, WMAs, etc. The cost was
very low so I skipped my usual lengthy research and just bought it. We
really don't watch very many movies as one could tell by the fact hat our 16
year old NEC VCR is operating like new yet :o)

The APEX sits in the armoire right next to, and is hooked into the video
feed for my 15 year old Sony Mini component system. 

The APEX DVD player has done the "freeze frame" thing with a couple of
rented movies - very frustrating! The only way I could figure out how to get
around it was to go to the next major mark of the movie and reverse to
almost to where it froze and then continue with the movie from there. Gees!
That takes a bit of patience!

A couple of months ago the APEX's CD playing capabilities had to "come to
the rescue" when the Sony's CD player started skipping when playing CDs.

When I got a chance to investigate the problem it was caused by the armoire
being out of level -old houses, arg! Once I leveled the armoire the CD
player worked fine again. So MAYBE the DVD will work better now too. I don't
know as we haven't rented any movies for quite a while.

Point being, if the DVD "freeze frame" happens to one of you fine people you
may want to get the level out and see if leveling the player helps resolve
the issue. Let us know if it does.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Mar 24 09:21:41 2006
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:21:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <012c01c64f53$9f296d50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <012c01c64f53$9f296d50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <44240E85.1070002@san.rr.com>

We've got a DVD player but the Play Station is hooked up to the bigger 
screen and we end up playing all the DVDs through the Play Station. 

Rocky


John Bartow wrote:
> I have an APEX unit which plays DVD's, CDs, MP3s, WMAs, etc. The cost was
> very low so I skipped my usual lengthy research and just bought it. We
> really don't watch very many movies as one could tell by the fact hat our 16
> year old NEC VCR is operating like new yet :o)
>
> The APEX sits in the armoire right next to, and is hooked into the video
> feed for my 15 year old Sony Mini component system. 
>
> The APEX DVD player has done the "freeze frame" thing with a couple of
> rented movies - very frustrating! The only way I could figure out how to get
> around it was to go to the next major mark of the movie and reverse to
> almost to where it froze and then continue with the movie from there. Gees!
> That takes a bit of patience!
>
> A couple of months ago the APEX's CD playing capabilities had to "come to
> the rescue" when the Sony's CD player started skipping when playing CDs.
>
> When I got a chance to investigate the problem it was caused by the armoire
> being out of level -old houses, arg! Once I leveled the armoire the CD
> player worked fine again. So MAYBE the DVD will work better now too. I don't
> know as we haven't rented any movies for quite a while.
>
> Point being, if the DVD "freeze frame" happens to one of you fine people you
> may want to get the level out and see if leveling the player helps resolve
> the issue. Let us know if it does.
>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 17:16:28 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:16:28 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ruggedness of DVD players
In-Reply-To: <012c01c64f53$9f296d50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <aea6c4950603230848v68e7d98bv8e888375a1d24c19@mail.gmail.com>
	<012c01c64f53$9f296d50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30603241516n682752dayd4ef0507abe94470@mail.gmail.com>

John,

By the way, John, since you're in the area, we've had good luck with
Racing Electronics for all of our VCR and DVD repairs.  They're on JJ
just west of Neenah.

Steve Erbach


On 3/24/06, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> I have an APEX unit which plays DVD's, CDs, MP3s, WMAs, etc. The cost was
> very low so I skipped my usual lengthy research and just bought it. We
> really don't watch very many movies as one could tell by the fact hat our 16
> year old NEC VCR is operating like new yet :o)
>
> The APEX sits in the armoire right next to, and is hooked into the video
> feed for my 15 year old Sony Mini component system.
>
> The APEX DVD player has done the "freeze frame" thing with a couple of
> rented movies - very frustrating! The only way I could figure out how to get
> around it was to go to the next major mark of the movie and reverse to
> almost to where it froze and then continue with the movie from there. Gees!
> That takes a bit of patience!
>
> A couple of months ago the APEX's CD playing capabilities had to "come to
> the rescue" when the Sony's CD player started skipping when playing CDs.
>
> When I got a chance to investigate the problem it was caused by the armoire
> being out of level -old houses, arg! Once I leveled the armoire the CD
> player worked fine again. So MAYBE the DVD will work better now too. I don't
> know as we haven't rented any movies for quite a while.
>
> Point being, if the DVD "freeze frame" happens to one of you fine people you
> may want to get the level out and see if leveling the player helps resolve
> the issue. Let us know if it does.
>
> _______________________________________________


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Mar 28 08:00:14 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:00:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AD4@ALCUXB>

Hi all
 
I've got a database running that needs an ODBC connection to be mapped for
each user on each computer, and it's getting a little tiresome having to
open control panels, and fill in the boxes each time someone new uses a
computer - to put it in perspective, there are 130 users and 130 PCs - the
combinations are potentially huge...
 
So I was wondering it it would be possible to write a scipt to do it for me
that I can include in their login scripts on the server or something... but
I don't know the first thing about VB Scripts. Would anyone be willing to
talk me through it?
 
 
Jon


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Mar 28 16:55:58 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:25:58 +0930
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE3A3D@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Yuk. What type of application needs a mapped connection *per user* ?
Must be pretty ancient.  System DSN no good?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript

Hi all
 
I've got a database running that needs an ODBC connection to be mapped
for each user on each computer, and it's getting a little tiresome
having to open control panels, and fill in the boxes each time someone
new uses a computer - to put it in perspective, there are 130 users and
130 PCs - the combinations are potentially huge...
 
So I was wondering it it would be possible to write a scipt to do it for
me that I can include in their login scripts on the server or
something... but I don't know the first thing about VB Scripts. Would
anyone be willing to talk me through it?
 
 
Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 02:44:23 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:44:23 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AE5@ALCUXB>

System DSN? Erm, have to look into that... if only to find out what it means
:-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 28 March 2006 23:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VBScript


Yuk. What type of application needs a mapped connection *per user* ?
Must be pretty ancient.  System DSN no good?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript

Hi all
 
I've got a database running that needs an ODBC connection to be mapped
for each user on each computer, and it's getting a little tiresome
having to open control panels, and fill in the boxes each time someone
new uses a computer - to put it in perspective, there are 130 users and
130 PCs - the combinations are potentially huge...
 
So I was wondering it it would be possible to write a scipt to do it for
me that I can include in their login scripts on the server or
something... but I don't know the first thing about VB Scripts. Would
anyone be willing to talk me through it?
 
 
Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 02:46:13 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:46:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AE6@ALCUXB>

Oh, that was simple <blush>. Yes, I imagine that'd work... I'll give that a
go.

Thanks for the suggestion Andrew :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 28 March 2006 23:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VBScript


Yuk. What type of application needs a mapped connection *per user* ?
Must be pretty ancient.  System DSN no good?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript

Hi all
 
I've got a database running that needs an ODBC connection to be mapped
for each user on each computer, and it's getting a little tiresome
having to open control panels, and fill in the boxes each time someone
new uses a computer - to put it in perspective, there are 130 users and
130 PCs - the combinations are potentially huge...
 
So I was wondering it it would be possible to write a scipt to do it for
me that I can include in their login scripts on the server or
something... but I don't know the first thing about VB Scripts. Would
anyone be willing to talk me through it?
 
 
Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 05:07:01 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:07:01 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AEF@ALCUXB>

Ok, I give up again. I've spent all morning looking on Google for examples
of a script I can modify to create the correct DSN. Has anyone got an
example?


Jon

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Sent: 29 March 2006 09:46
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VBScript


Oh, that was simple <blush>. Yes, I imagine that'd work... I'll give that a
go.

Thanks for the suggestion Andrew :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 28 March 2006 23:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VBScript


Yuk. What type of application needs a mapped connection *per user* ?
Must be pretty ancient.  System DSN no good?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript

Hi all
 
I've got a database running that needs an ODBC connection to be mapped
for each user on each computer, and it's getting a little tiresome
having to open control panels, and fill in the boxes each time someone
new uses a computer - to put it in perspective, there are 130 users and
130 PCs - the combinations are potentially huge...
 
So I was wondering it it would be possible to write a scipt to do it for
me that I can include in their login scripts on the server or
something... but I don't know the first thing about VB Scripts. Would
anyone be willing to talk me through it?
 
 
Jon


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 29 05:25:15 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:25:15 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AEF@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <442AFB3B.4167.2A6C7298@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 29 Mar 2006 at 12:07, Jon Tydda wrote:

> Ok, I give up again. I've spent all morning looking on Google for examples
> of a script I can modify to create the correct DSN. Has anyone got an
> example?
> 

Don't know where I got this from originally, but it's all the VBA you need 
to create a system DSN:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Public Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long


Private Declare Function RegEnumKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegEnumKeyExA" _
  (ByVal hKey As Long, _
   ByVal dwIndex As Long, _
   ByVal lpName As String, _
   lpcbName As Long, _
   ByVal lpReserved As Long, _
   ByVal lpClass As String, _
   lpcbClass As Long, _
   ByVal lpftLastWriteTime As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegOpenKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegOpenKeyExA" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long, _
    ByVal lpSubKey As String, _
    ByVal ulOptions As Long, _
    ByVal samDesired As Long, phkResult As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function SQLConfigDataSource Lib "odbccp32.dll" _
    (ByVal hwndParent As Long, _
    ByVal fRequest As Integer, _
    ByVal lpszDriver As String, _
    ByVal lpszAttributes As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegCloseKey Lib "advapi32.dll" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long) As Long

      Const HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE = &H80000002
      Const ERROR_SUCCESS = 0&
      Const SYNCHRONIZE = &H100000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_WRITE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_REQUIRED = &HF0000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_ALL = &H1F0000
      Const KEY_QUERY_VALUE = &H1
      Const KEY_SET_VALUE = &H2
      Const KEY_CREATE_SUB_KEY = &H4
      Const KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS = &H8
      Const KEY_NOTIFY = &H10
      Const KEY_CREATE_LINK = &H20
      Const KEY_READ = ((STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ Or _
                        KEY_QUERY_VALUE Or _
                        KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS Or _
                        KEY_NOTIFY) And _
                        (Not SYNCHRONIZE))

      Const REG_DWORD = 4
      Const REG_BINARY = 3
      Const REG_SZ = 1
      
      Const ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN = 4

'*********** Modify next lines as appropriate**************
Const DSN_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Server_name = "192.168.0.1"   ' Raw IP address is used to avoid NT _
                                          Domain name resolution probs.
Const Database_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Database_description = "Motu Koitabu Roll"
      

Function Check_SDSN()

         '  Look for our System Data Source Name.  If we find it,then great!
         '  If not, then let's create one on the fly.
         
         Dim lngKeyHandle As Long
         Dim lngResult As Long
         Dim lngCurIdx As Long
         Dim strValue As String
         Dim classValue As String
         Dim timeValue As String
         Dim lngValueLen As Long
         Dim classlngValueLen As Long
         Dim lngData As Long
         Dim lngDataLen As Long
         Dim strResult As String
         Dim DSNfound As Long
         Dim syscmdresult As Long

         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Looking for System DSN " & DSN_name & " ...")
         
         '  Let's open the registry key that contains all of the
         '  System Data Source Names.
         
         lngResult = RegOpenKeyEx(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, _
                 "SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI", _
                  0&, _
                  KEY_READ, _
                  lngKeyHandle)

         If lngResult <> ERROR_SUCCESS Then
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Cannot open the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that ODBC and the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact call your IT Section for more information."
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1
         End If
         
         ' Now that the key is open, Let's look among all of
         ' the possible system data source names for the one
         ' we want.

         lngCurIdx = 0
         DSNfound = False
         
         Do
            lngValueLen = 512
            classlngValueLen = 512
            strValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            classValue = String(classlngValueLen, 0)
            timeValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            lngDataLen = 512

            lngResult = RegEnumKeyEx(lngKeyHandle, _
                                     lngCurIdx, _
                                     strValue, _
                                     lngValueLen, _
                                     0&, _
                                     classValue, _
                                     classlngValueLen, _
                                     timeValue)
            lngCurIdx = lngCurIdx + 1

         If lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS Then
         
           ' Is this our System Data Source Name?
         
           If strValue = DSN_name Then
           
             '  It is!  Let's assume everything is good and do nothing.
             
             DSNfound = True
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         
           End If
           
         End If

         Loop While lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS And Not DSNfound
         
         Call RegCloseKey(lngKeyHandle)

         If Not DSNfound Then
         
           '  Our System Data Source Name doesn't exist, so let's
           '  try to create it on the fly.
         
           syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Creating System DSN " & DSN_name & "...")
         
'*********** Deleted "Trusted_Connection = Yes" if using SQL Security
'            not NT Security to control access
         
           lngResult = SQLConfigDataSource(0, _
                                           ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN, _
                                           "SQL Server", _
                                           "DSN=" & DSN_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Server=" & Server_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Database=" & Database_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "UseProcForPrepare=Yes" & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Trusted_Connection=Yes" & Chr$(0) & _
                                           "Description=" & Database_description & Chr(0) & Chr(0))
                       
           If lngResult = False Then
           
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Could not create the System DSN " & DSN_name & "." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact IT Section for more information."
                    
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1

           End If
           
         End If
         
         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         Check_SDSN = 0

End Function


-- 
Stuart




From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 05:54:30 2006
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:54:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VBScript
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EAC84AF3@ALCUXB>

Thanks Stuart, I'll give this a go as soon as people stop giving me more
things to do.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: 29 March 2006 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VBScript


On 29 Mar 2006 at 12:07, Jon Tydda wrote:

> Ok, I give up again. I've spent all morning looking on Google for examples
> of a script I can modify to create the correct DSN. Has anyone got an
> example?
> 

Don't know where I got this from originally, but it's all the VBA you need 
to create a system DSN:



-- 
Stuart


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 14:33:04 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:33:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R
Message-ID: <e04a6c920603291233l488db5f2p426b8a5858f5462d@mail.gmail.com>

Do anyone know of any software that will recover the files on a
multi-session CDR that got hosed.

Here's the scenario:

A friend of mine (no really it WAS a friend and not me) created a
multi-session CDR to backup his files.

The last time he added files to the CD he was too impatient and
ejected the CD prior to it finishing writing. Now all that is
accessible is the last session's 3 files. All the previous files
aren't visible.

Does anyone know if the previous sessions' files are recoverable or
did he just lose a lot of vacation pictures?

I believe that the CD was created with Roxio.

I thank you and he thanks you.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 14:50:27 2006
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:50:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920603291233l488db5f2p426b8a5858f5462d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920603291233l488db5f2p426b8a5858f5462d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950603291250k1c95e0e3ja21c30c4ee1e1d09@mail.gmail.com>

I'd first try to look at it on a couple different machines, maybe a
Mac even. Different machines and different drives may have better luck
but I think it's probably toast. CD's are just not a safe medium for
backups. I just had a burned music CD go bad on me. I have a lot less
trust in them than I did last week... ;-)

A Google search of "cdr recovery" turns up this as the first hit.
Looks promising and there is a free trial of some sort....

http://www.jufsoft.com/badcopy/cdrecover.asp?rid=google&kid=gccr0114

It's the first of a million and a half hits though so there are a few
more choices. Good luck to your friend. Let us know how it turns out.

On 3/29/06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do anyone know of any software that will recover the files on a
> multi-session CDR that got hosed.
>
> Here's the scenario:
>
> A friend of mine (no really it WAS a friend and not me) created a
> multi-session CDR to backup his files.
>
> The last time he added files to the CD he was too impatient and
> ejected the CD prior to it finishing writing. Now all that is
> accessible is the last session's 3 files. All the previous files
> aren't visible.
>
> Does anyone know if the previous sessions' files are recoverable or
> did he just lose a lot of vacation pictures?
>
> I believe that the CD was created with Roxio.
>
> I thank you and he thanks you.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 29 15:45:49 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:45:49 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920603291233l488db5f2p426b8a5858f5462d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <442B8CAD.8942.C7034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 29 Mar 2006 at 15:33, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Do anyone know of any software that will recover the files on a
> multi-session CDR that got hosed.
> 

STFN :-)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cdr+file+recovery+multisession

Here's a number of options:
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/trashed_cdr_software/

-- 
Stuart




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Mar 29 17:16:11 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:16:11 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R
In-Reply-To: <3235651.1143664522776.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000601c65386$c4e605d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I remember seeing a program once called CD Roller that promised everything.
Luckily I never had to test it out :-)

Dan Waters
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R

Do anyone know of any software that will recover the files on a
multi-session CDR that got hosed.

Here's the scenario:

A friend of mine (no really it WAS a friend and not me) created a
multi-session CDR to backup his files.

The last time he added files to the CD he was too impatient and
ejected the CD prior to it finishing writing. Now all that is
accessible is the last session's 3 files. All the previous files
aren't visible.

Does anyone know if the previous sessions' files are recoverable or
did he just lose a lot of vacation pictures?

I believe that the CD was created with Roxio.

I thank you and he thanks you.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 18:00:41 2006
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:00:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Recovering CD-R
In-Reply-To: <442B8CAD.8942.C7034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <e04a6c920603291233l488db5f2p426b8a5858f5462d@mail.gmail.com>
	<442B8CAD.8942.C7034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920603291600j61363ea0g9d6b714c0099e32d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/29/06, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2006 at 15:33, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
>
> > Do anyone know of any software that will recover the files on a
> > multi-session CDR that got hosed.
> >
>
> STFN :-)

Aw, do I hafta?? :)

I actually did a quick search, but I was looking for experinced based
recommendations

> http://www.google.com/search?q=cdr+file+recovery+multisession
>
> Here's a number of options:
> http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/trashed_cdr_software/

Thanks

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"