From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 07:21:46 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:21:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client Message-ID: Today is a sad day. My beloved Pegasus Mail, which I've used since '94 when I first got online, is no longer being developed :( What is everyone else using? I'm not switching right away, but I would like some options, other than Outlook and Outlook Express, neither of which I like. My needs from an e-mail client are not huge, but very, very specific. 1) It HAS to have excellent rules/filters capabilities. Pegasus has the best AFAIC, and I need something that comes close. I've got in the neighbourhood of 400 rules that are processed when I get new mail. 2) It HAS to have the ability to NOT run any sort of scripting in HTML mail 3) It HAS to be able to only display and send plain text, but the ability view HTML mail If *I* choose. 4) It CANNOT use IE as the rendering engine for mail. Not huge requirement, but very specific. Any suggestions that I can look at? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 3 07:45:54 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:45:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client Message-ID: Hi Bryan Yes, David Harris is a sensible man with an ego of an artist. One spoke hard to him and offended he was; no more candy to the kiddies. He wouldn't survive here in the North. We use GroupWise here which easily matches your list. But it's a server product so I don't think that will help you much. But how about Thunderbird: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ Also - at a cost though - The Bat! is excellent: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/ /gustav >>> carbonnb at gmail.com 03-01-2007 14:21:46 >>> Today is a sad day. My beloved Pegasus Mail, which I've used since '94 when I first got online, is no longer being developed :( What is everyone else using? I'm not switching right away, but I would like some options, other than Outlook and Outlook Express, neither of which I like. My needs from an e-mail client are not huge, but very, very specific. 1) It HAS to have excellent rules/filters capabilities. Pegasus has the best AFAIC, and I need something that comes close. I've got in the neighbourhood of 400 rules that are processed when I get new mail. 2) It HAS to have the ability to NOT run any sort of scripting in HTML mail 3) It HAS to be able to only display and send plain text, but the ability view HTML mail If *I* choose. 4) It CANNOT use IE as the rendering engine for mail. Not huge requirement, but very specific. Any suggestions that I can look at? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jan 3 07:47:27 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 05:47:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c72f3d$b4f64f20$0701a8c0@HAL9005> I used Thunderbird for quite a while and it was OK then it went south on me for a while and wouldn't send an attachment. I think it's OK now but when I got my new box I went to Outlook which I don't like. You might give Thunderbird a try. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client Today is a sad day. My beloved Pegasus Mail, which I've used since '94 when I first got online, is no longer being developed :( What is everyone else using? I'm not switching right away, but I would like some options, other than Outlook and Outlook Express, neither of which I like. My needs from an e-mail client are not huge, but very, very specific. 1) It HAS to have excellent rules/filters capabilities. Pegasus has the best AFAIC, and I need something that comes close. I've got in the neighbourhood of 400 rules that are processed when I get new mail. 2) It HAS to have the ability to NOT run any sort of scripting in HTML mail 3) It HAS to be able to only display and send plain text, but the ability view HTML mail If *I* choose. 4) It CANNOT use IE as the rendering engine for mail. Not huge requirement, but very specific. Any suggestions that I can look at? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jan 3 09:38:37 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:38:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem Message-ID: <002801c72f4d$3cd0c290$0701a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just fire right up to the desktop. Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see most of the others. If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these are hardwired through the router. On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all the wired computers and wireless computers. But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Network path not found. I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the computers so everybody can see everybody else. Any ideas greatly appreciated. MTIA, Rocky Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 3 09:49:03 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:49:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem In-Reply-To: <002801c72f4d$3cd0c290$0701a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001101c72f4e$b1d688d0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Rocky, Do you have Guest enabled on Hal9004? I recently had a problem with printing from some networked laptops to my pc (which has the printer). Enabling the Guest account cleared it up for me. It also cleared up my problems with sharing folders. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:39 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem Dear List: I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just fire right up to the desktop. Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see most of the others. If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these are hardwired through the router. On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all the wired computers and wireless computers. But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Network path not found. I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the computers so everybody can see everybody else. Any ideas greatly appreciated. MTIA, Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 09:48:46 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:48:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem In-Reply-To: <002801c72f4d$3cd0c290$0701a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002801c72f4d$3cd0c290$0701a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Do you have firewall software running on either or both of these systems? Try turning that off. That is usually the problem with my network when I can't see from one machine to another. GK On 1/3/07, Beach Access Software wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. > Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked > shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have > only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just > fire right up to the desktop. > > > > Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see > most of the others. > > > > > > If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my > backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these > are hardwired through the router. > > > > On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. > But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View > Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all > the wired computers and wireless computers. > > > > But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: > > > > \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if > you have access permissions. > > > > Network path not found. > > > > I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the > 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get > HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the > computers so everybody can see everybody else. > > > > Any ideas greatly appreciated. > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 3 09:50:43 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:50:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem Message-ID: Hi Rocky So you are still struggling with this? Did you read my last post on the subject? That was 2006-11-29 18:52:54. WorkGroup problem /gustav >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 03-01-2007 16:38:37 >>> Dear List: I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just fire right up to the desktop. Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see most of the others. If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these are hardwired through the router. On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all the wired computers and wireless computers. But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Network path not found. I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the computers so everybody can see everybody else. Any ideas greatly appreciated. MTIA, Rocky Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jan 3 10:16:21 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:16:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c72f52$823c92a0$0701a8c0@HAL9005> WELL I'LL BE DIPPED!!! I turned off Sygate Personal on HAL9004 and walla - everything's Jake! So now I have to figure out, with the router firewall and the AVG going, if I need Sygate. I think the consensus on the list was yes. I changed the advanced rule to widen the allowed IP addresses to 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.255 and that seems to work, although HAL9005 had address 192.168.1.7 which should have gone through. So, we're making progress. Thanks. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Problem Do you have firewall software running on either or both of these systems? Try turning that off. That is usually the problem with my network when I can't see from one machine to another. GK On 1/3/07, Beach Access Software wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. > Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked > shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have > only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just > fire right up to the desktop. > > > > Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see > most of the others. > > > > > > If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my > backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these > are hardwired through the router. > > > > On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. > But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View > Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all > the wired computers and wireless computers. > > > > But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: > > > > \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if > you have access permissions. > > > > Network path not found. > > > > I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the > 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get > HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the > computers so everybody can see everybody else. > > > > Any ideas greatly appreciated. > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jan 3 10:20:40 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:20:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c72f53$1cb4caf0$0701a8c0@HAL9005> I am. And I did. But I got frustrated and gave up. But now I think I have it figured out. It was the Sygate firewall blocking the communications and it needed to have an advanced rule allowing IPs 192.168.1.1 through 192.168.1.255. Thanks. Rocky Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:51 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Problem Hi Rocky So you are still struggling with this? Did you read my last post on the subject? That was 2006-11-29 18:52:54. WorkGroup problem /gustav >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 03-01-2007 16:38:37 >>> Dear List: I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines just fire right up to the desktop. Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see most of the others. If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of these are hardwired through the router. On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of all the wired computers and wireless computers. But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Network path not found. I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on the 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can get HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the computers so everybody can see everybody else. Any ideas greatly appreciated. MTIA, Rocky Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:41:58 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:41:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Problem In-Reply-To: <003b01c72f52$823c92a0$0701a8c0@HAL9005> References: <003b01c72f52$823c92a0$0701a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: So that's how you do that. By the IP address range. I need to do that on my Linux box. I can map drives to the Windows machines if I turn off the Linux firewall but as soon as I turn it back on it's "file not found" or something like that there. GK On 1/3/07, Beach Access Software wrote: > WELL I'LL BE DIPPED!!! > > I turned off Sygate Personal on HAL9004 and walla - everything's Jake! > > So now I have to figure out, with the router firewall and the AVG going, if > I need Sygate. I think the consensus on the list was yes. > > I changed the advanced rule to widen the allowed IP addresses to 192.168.1.1 > - 192.168.1.255 and that seems to work, although HAL9005 had address > 192.168.1.7 which should have gone through. > > So, we're making progress. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:49 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Problem > > Do you have firewall software running on either or both of these > systems? Try turning that off. That is usually the problem with my > network when I can't see from one machine to another. > > GK > > On 1/3/07, Beach Access Software wrote: > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I have a network with 7 machines on wireless router with 4 wired ports. > > Four machines are hardwired, three are wireless. All of them are marked > > shareable and the workgroup for all them is the same: WORKGROUP. All have > > only one user the administrator and there's no logon. All the machines > just > > fire right up to the desktop. > > > > > > > > Not every machine can 'see' every other machine. But most of them can see > > most of the others. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I can solve the problem between my primary machine (HAL9005) and my > > backup machine (HAL9004) I can probably figure out the rest. Both of > these > > are hardwired through the router. > > > > > > > > On HAL9004 I can pull stuff from HAL9005 and I can push stuff to HAL9005. > > But HAL9005 cannot see HAL9004. On HAL9005 in Network Places-->View > > Workgroup Computers --> View-->Refresh (just to be safe) I get a list of > all > > the wired computers and wireless computers. > > > > > > > > But clicking on HAL9004 from HAL9005 I get the error message: > > > > > > > > \\HAL9004 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > > network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if > > you have access permissions. > > > > > > > > Network path not found. > > > > > > > > I get this message when trying to access some of the other computers on > the > > 'View Workgroup Computers' list from HAL9005. But, like I say, if I can > get > > HAL9005 to see HAL9004 I can probably apply the solution to all the > > computers so everybody can see everybody else. > > > > > > > > Any ideas greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 > 2:58 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From artful at rogers.com Wed Jan 3 11:13:45 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:13:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS Verification Message-ID: <20070103171345.63603.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What is the simplest way to verify that my IIS setup is correct? (Ultimately this concerns Reporting Services, but before I get there I just want to ensure that IIS is properly configured.) TIA, Arthur From bgeldart at verizon.net Wed Jan 3 16:53:18 2007 From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:53:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070103175026.043c58f0@incoming.verizon.net> FWIW, I also noted last week that Eudora (Qualcomm) is going open-source sometime this month. I have been satisfied with it for years, and you might want to consider it. It's somethiing like $20 now (v. 7x), but going to be free later this month, according to the announcement. I believe it (I have v. 6x) will do what you want, according to the following. Bob At 1/3/2007 08:21 AM, you wrote: >Today is a sad day. My beloved Pegasus Mail, which I've used since '94 >when I first got online, is no longer being developed :( > >What is everyone else using? I'm not switching right away, but I would >like some options, other than Outlook and Outlook Express, neither of >which I like. > >My needs from an e-mail client are not huge, but very, very specific. > >1) It HAS to have excellent rules/filters capabilities. Pegasus has >the best AFAIC, and I need something that comes close. I've got in the >neighbourhood of 400 rules that are processed when I get new mail. > >2) It HAS to have the ability to NOT run any sort of scripting in HTML mail > >3) It HAS to be able to only display and send plain text, but the >ability view HTML mail If *I* choose. > >4) It CANNOT use IE as the rendering engine for mail. > >Not huge requirement, but very specific. > >Any suggestions that I can look at? > >-- >Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well >preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, >shouting "What a great ride!" >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 09:33:09 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:33:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] E-Mail Client In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070103175026.043c58f0@incoming.verizon.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070103175026.043c58f0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: On 1/3/07, Bob Geldart wrote: > FWIW, I also noted last week that Eudora (Qualcomm) is going open-source > sometime this month. I have been satisfied with it for years, and you might > want to consider it. It's somethiing like $20 now (v. 7x), but going to be > free later this month, according to the announcement. I believe it (I have > v. 6x) will do what you want, according to the following. Thanks everyone. I guess I'll be looking at Thuunderbird and Eudora. Although, IIRC, Eudora will be based on the engine that drives Thunderbird, so I may end up looking at the same product. :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Sat Jan 6 11:37:10 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word Message-ID: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm submitting a proposal for a book, and working from a sample proposal supplied by my literary agent. As intelligent documents go, this one ain't got any. Following is a block pasted in from my version of said sample: Chapter 1: Management Studio Navigation Schemas Templates Chapter 2: Integration Services etc. The headings do not correspond to Heading 1 etc. The chapter numbers are literals. As I work out the outline of the book, re-ordering the chapters, etc., I am constantly going back to renumber the 30 chapters to reflect their new position. There has to be a better way! I could redefine Heading 2 to reflect this formatting, but I don't want to do that because Heading 2 is used for its natural purpose elsewhere in the document. What I need is an auto-number style that begins with the word "Chapter" followed by the auto-number, followed by the title I enter, similar to the way that Table and Figure captions work. I have no idea how to achieve this. I guess that I should create a new Style, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of Word. Even though I use Word constantly, I have never bothered to learn the object model beyond its most trivial aspects. At least I know the goal: I want to be able to drag a given chapter and its kids to a new location in the list, and have all the chapters renumber themselves, same as Heading 2s would do. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. TIA, Arthur From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sat Jan 6 14:42:03 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:42:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word In-Reply-To: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A0099B.2070403@shaw.ca> Try using the TOC Table of Contents in Word recent explantory article http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=165 More help here Cindy Meister http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister/ Dave Rado http://word.mvps.org/ artful at rogers.com wrote: >I'm submitting a proposal for a book, and working from a sample >proposal supplied by my literary agent. As intelligent documents go, >this one ain't got any. > > > >Following is a block pasted in from my version of said sample: > > > > >Chapter 1: Management Studio > > > > Navigation > > > > Schemas > > Templates > > > > > > > > Chapter 2: Integration >Services > etc. > > > > > > > > > >The headings do not correspond to Heading 1 etc. >The chapter numbers are literals. As I work out the outline of the >book, re-ordering the chapters, etc., I am constantly going back to renumber >the 30 chapters to reflect their new position. There has to be a better >way! I could redefine Heading 2 to reflect this formatting, but I don't >want to do that because Heading 2 is used for its natural purpose >elsewhere in the document. What I need is an auto-number style that >begins with the word "Chapter" followed by the auto-number, followed by >the title I enter, similar to the way that Table and Figure captions >work. I have no idea how to achieve this. I guess that I should create >a new Style, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of Word. Even >though I use Word constantly, I have never bothered to learn the object >model beyond its most trivial aspects. At least I know the goal: I want >to be able to drag a given chapter and its kids to a new location in >the list, and have all the chapters renumber themselves, same as >Heading 2s would do. > > > >Any suggestions greatly appreciated. > > > >TIA, > >Arthur > > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Jan 6 16:51:55 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:51:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word In-Reply-To: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c731e5$43ee48f0$0701a8c0@HAL9005> Arthur: When I wrote my manual for E-Z-MRP I knew up front that I wanted to be able to use the table of contents thingy and the same with lists of figures and reports. So I was consistent about the headings, and sub headings, and used a unique font for the figure captions. So as the manual gets changed, all I do is click a couple things and the table of contents and lists of figures get automagically replaced with the right headings and page numbers. Be glad to send you a copy of the manual if you want to see how it was done. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word I'm submitting a proposal for a book, and working from a sample proposal supplied by my literary agent. As intelligent documents go, this one ain't got any. Following is a block pasted in from my version of said sample: Chapter 1: Management Studio Navigation Schemas Templates Chapter 2: Integration Services etc. The headings do not correspond to Heading 1 etc. The chapter numbers are literals. As I work out the outline of the book, re-ordering the chapters, etc., I am constantly going back to renumber the 30 chapters to reflect their new position. There has to be a better way! I could redefine Heading 2 to reflect this formatting, but I don't want to do that because Heading 2 is used for its natural purpose elsewhere in the document. What I need is an auto-number style that begins with the word "Chapter" followed by the auto-number, followed by the title I enter, similar to the way that Table and Figure captions work. I have no idea how to achieve this. I guess that I should create a new Style, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of Word. Even though I use Word constantly, I have never bothered to learn the object model beyond its most trivial aspects. At least I know the goal: I want to be able to drag a given chapter and its kids to a new location in the list, and have all the chapters renumber themselves, same as Heading 2s would do. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 11:11 AM From artful at rogers.com Sat Jan 6 22:10:15 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:10:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word Message-ID: <20070107041015.69312.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks, Marty. I'll give that a try. ----- Original Message ---- From: MartyConnelly To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 3:42:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word Try using the TOC Table of Contents in Word recent explantory article http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=165 More help here Cindy Meister http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister/ Dave Rado http://word.mvps.org/ From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 20:49:31 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:49:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A Question about Word In-Reply-To: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070106173710.66497.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/6/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > The headings do not correspond to Heading 1 etc. > The chapter numbers are literals. As I work out the outline of the > book, re-ordering the chapters, etc., I am constantly going back to renumber > the 30 chapters to reflect their new position. There has to be a better > model beyond its most trivial aspects. At least I know the goal: I want > to be able to drag a given chapter and its kids to a new location in > the list, and have all the chapters renumber themselves, same as > Heading 2s would do. For the archives, same response I sent off list: I would suggest using a SEQ field. It will increment the numbers automatically for you, well you may have to update the fields to make sure the numbers are updated correctly Basically the field looks like: { SEQ "Chapter"\n \* MERGEFORMAT } The braces {} are inserted by pressing CTRL+F9 and then typing or copy & pasting the text inbetween the braces. Right click and select Update Field to renumber it. When you drag and drop to reorder things, the number may not update until you update all the fields, CTRL+A, F9 to update them. This will only give you the number, you will still need to type Chapter, etc for each one. HTH, -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Mon Jan 8 14:48:24 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:48:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question: How to Swtich Templates? Message-ID: <20070108204824.66954.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Given document A, based on Normal.dot, which I have now customized for this particular document, and don't want to overwrite the old normal.dot: I copied the old Normal.dot to a new name, on the suspicion that Word would overwrite it with this version. Then I plan to rename normal.dot and restore the old version. That said, how do I then switch the template that this document uses? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 8 16:13:40 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:13:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question: How to Swtich Templates? In-Reply-To: <20070108204824.66954.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070108204824.66954.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A2C214.4623.2A685BF7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Jan 2007 at 12:48, artful at rogers.com wrote: > Given document A, based on Normal.dot, which I have now customized for this > particular document, and don't want to overwrite the old normal.dot: I > copied the old Normal.dot to a new name, on the suspicion that Word would > overwrite it with this version. Then I plan to rename normal.dot and restore > the old version. > > That said, how do I then switch the template that this document uses? Documents generally don't "use" templates after the document is first created. Templates provide a basic set of styles etc which are applied when you create a new document. So in most cases, there is no need to switch templates. Having said that - "Microsoft Word will update modified styles when you open an existing document only if the Automatically update document styles option is turned on. Set this option before you open an existing document by clicking Templates and Add-Ins on the Tools menu" If this is what you need, then you can change the document's template using the "Attach" button in the "Tools-Templates and Add-Ins" dialog. -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Mon Jan 8 17:55:32 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question: How to Swtich Templates? Message-ID: <20070108235532.5885.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cool! Thanks! A. ----- Original Message ---- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 5:13:40 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Question: How to Swtich Templates? On 8 Jan 2007 at 12:48, artful at rogers.com wrote: > Given document A, based on Normal.dot, which I have now customized for this > particular document, and don't want to overwrite the old normal.dot: I > copied the old Normal.dot to a new name, on the suspicion that Word would > overwrite it with this version. Then I plan to rename normal.dot and restore > the old version. > > That said, how do I then switch the template that this document uses? Documents generally don't "use" templates after the document is first created. Templates provide a basic set of styles etc which are applied when you create a new document. So in most cases, there is no need to switch templates. Having said that - "Microsoft Word will update modified styles when you open an existing document only if the Automatically update document styles option is turned on. Set this option before you open an existing document by clicking Templates and Add-Ins on the Tools menu" If this is what you need, then you can change the document's template using the "Attach" button in the "Tools-Templates and Add-Ins" dialog. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 21:20:46 2007 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:20:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] External Drives and backup software Message-ID: <2dad32080701081920j48e0a844ge7be01a041b10d95@mail.gmail.com> does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Maxtor Backup software? A client of mine bought a Maxtor OneTouch III, created a backup, lost his install CD, and crashed his harddrive. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this software????? TIA Jeff Barrows From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 08:41:13 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:41:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] External Drives and backup software In-Reply-To: <2dad32080701081920j48e0a844ge7be01a041b10d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dad32080701081920j48e0a844ge7be01a041b10d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd buy another drive. $69.99 at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Maxtor-R01E060-One-touch-Mini-Drive/dp/B000FFRZ3K/sr=8-3/qid=1168353126/ref=pd_bbs_3/102-9136715-0364165?ie=UTF8&s=electronics or $89.99 at Best Buy and you can pick it up at most stores... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8019663&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat107700050005&id=1156203860280 Might check around on their website too. http://www.maxtor.com/ GK On 1/8/07, Jeff Barrows wrote: > does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Maxtor Backup software? A > client of mine bought a Maxtor OneTouch III, created a backup, lost his > install CD, and crashed his harddrive. Does anyone know where I can get a > copy of this software????? > > TIA > > Jeff Barrows > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From artful at rogers.com Tue Jan 9 13:37:25 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:37:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question: Nested Templates? Message-ID: <20070109193725.35278.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I want to build a Word document from numerous other documents, whose templates fall into a few groups. Is there some way to nest templates, or rather templated documents? Or should I amalgamate all the styles into one .dot file and use it as the template for everything? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jan 10 19:52:31 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:52:31 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Message-ID: <45A5985F.19063.357D5FE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 11 03:58:10 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:58:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Message-ID: Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 11 04:13:34 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:13:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Renderingin Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009c01c73569$27f515c0$657aa8c0@m6805> There has to be a safe middle ground though. There is no reason that my 20th century emails have to look like a teletype from the 1950s. I don't really need pictures and stuff, but all the normal document stuff would be just fine, font selection and pitch, bold/underline/italics, tables, bullets. Is that asking too much? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Renderingin Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 04:29:40 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:29:40 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML EmailRenderingin Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <009c01c73569$27f515c0$657aa8c0@m6805> References: <009c01c73569$27f515c0$657aa8c0@m6805> Message-ID: I just sent myself an email using Outlook 2007. This one is written in Outlook 2007 as well. HTML email containing formatted text, underlines, color, images, hyperlinks etc etc and it worked fine. I have sent many HTML "form" data collection email emails and they are basic and fine. Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: 11 January 2007 10:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML EmailRenderingin Outlook 2007 There has to be a safe middle ground though. There is no reason that my 20th century emails have to look like a teletype from the 1950s. I don't really need pictures and stuff, but all the normal document stuff would be just fine, font selection and pitch, bold/underline/italics, tables, bullets. Is that asking too much? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Renderingin Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 11 04:46:59 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:46:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Message-ID: Hi John The only feature I miss is some kind of table format to display coloumns correctly. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 11-01-2007 11:13 >>> There has to be a safe middle ground though. There is no reason that my 20th century emails have to look like a teletype from the 1950s. I don't really need pictures and stuff, but all the normal document stuff would be just fine, font selection and pitch, bold/underline/italics, tables, bullets. Is that asking too much? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Renderingin Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 11 05:09:24 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:09:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML EmailRenderingin Outlook2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009d01c73570$f492a910$657aa8c0@m6805> I was responding to Gustav's "another reason to avoid HTML email" response. I don't want to avoid HTML, I want safe HTML which can do the basics. Apparently Outlook's can do the basics at least. IMHO, designing an email to look like a web page, with all the fancy stuff you might find on a web page is not really necessary. I have to admit though that I get a lot of emails from various online stores that I signed up to receive, which looks exactly a pretty fancy web page, and it is pretty effective advertising. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML EmailRenderingin Outlook2007 I just sent myself an email using Outlook 2007. This one is written in Outlook 2007 as well. HTML email containing formatted text, underlines, color, images, hyperlinks etc etc and it worked fine. I have sent many HTML "form" data collection email emails and they are basic and fine. Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: 11 January 2007 10:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML EmailRenderingin Outlook 2007 There has to be a safe middle ground though. There is no reason that my 20th century emails have to look like a teletype from the 1950s. I don't really need pictures and stuff, but all the normal document stuff would be just fine, font selection and pitch, bold/underline/italics, tables, bullets. Is that asking too much? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Renderingin Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From artful at rogers.com Sat Jan 13 19:15:07 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070114011507.95599.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? TIA, Arthur P.S. I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 13 19:18:07 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:18:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Media Center In-Reply-To: <20070108235532.5885.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070108235532.5885.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A984CF.6010108@earthlink.net> Anybody know by what miracle most new PCs less than $1,000 are now offered with XP Media Center? PB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 13 19:20:36 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:20:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <20070114011507.95599.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070114011507.95599.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A98564.5060709@earthlink.net> Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 From artful at rogers.com Sat Jan 13 19:53:52 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Media Center Message-ID: <20070114015352.42291.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All I know is that my latest squeeze, an HP, came Media Center pre-installed. I added several bells and whistles to the basic unit, but it still came out at under $1k -- 2GB of RAM, 250GB HD, dual-layer DVD burner, and best of all, it's as quiet as a church-mouse. One thing I really like is the way they preformatted the HD, such that drive D: is a read-only installation drive. Something went wrong a while back, and I booted from D: and said re-install, and everything got fixed just like that. I was mightily impressed. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:18:07 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Media Center Anybody know by what miracle most new PCs less than $1,000 are now offered with XP Media Center? PB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sat Jan 13 19:56:55 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. A. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 13 22:59:22 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:59:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A9B8AA.7000304@earthlink.net> >I wonder why they dropped it. I would have >thought such a technology to have legs. Apparently it did not attract much use. Perhaps because you can do something like it in Word? PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. > > I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. > > A. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Brawley > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder > > Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via > Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. > > PB > > artful at rogers.com wrote: > >> Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> >> P.S. >> I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 14 05:26:43 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:26:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: Hi Arthur People and small companies are generally not very "advanced" computer users - and for those few that are, their clients or customers or suppliers they communicate with are not. That's why I don't see a glorious future for things like SharePoint server. Most users just don't get it, and people like us - who are supposed to be able to find out the inner ideas and secrets of such products and spread the word - are busy with other tasks. /gustav PS: Having Word to keep hold on 200 documents - in some confident way - would kill my sleep. Wouldn't there be another way to do this - like a true document store or database? >>> artful at rogers.com 14-01-2007 02:56:55 >>> So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. A. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 14 05:30:55 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:30:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Media Center Message-ID: Hi Peter Those are offerings targeted consumers. All major brands have product lines aimed at business customers. These (the products) typically come with WinXP Pro. /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 14-01-2007 02:18:07 >>> Anybody know by what miracle most new PCs less than $1,000 are now offered with XP Media Center? PB From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 05:57:40 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:57:40 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder References: Message-ID: HI Gustav We are putting 30,000 users on Sharepoint over the next two years. Just a FYI but then we pay next to nothing for the actualy software unlike a "real" business. USA universities are also moving in a big way to SharePoint several already moved thousands of students into it recently. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gustav Brock Sent: Sun 14/01/2007 11:26 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Hi Arthur People and small companies are generally not very "advanced" computer users - and for those few that are, their clients or customers or suppliers they communicate with are not. That's why I don't see a glorious future for things like SharePoint server. Most users just don't get it, and people like us - who are supposed to be able to find out the inner ideas and secrets of such products and spread the word - are busy with other tasks. /gustav PS: Having Word to keep hold on 200 documents - in some confident way - would kill my sleep. Wouldn't there be another way to do this - like a true document store or database? >>> artful at rogers.com 14-01-2007 02:56:55 >>> So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. A. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 14 08:58:07 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070114145807.26988.qmail@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You can? Of course, you can insert files into another file, but then you run into style sheet collisions and so on. What I had in mind is, I think, exactly what Binder was intended to do. So I'll dig out my O2K CD and install it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder >I wonder why they dropped it. I would have >thought such a technology to have legs. Apparently it did not attract much use. Perhaps because you can do something like it in Word? PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. > > I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. > > A. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Brawley > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder > > Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via > Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. > > PB > > artful at rogers.com wrote: > >> Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> >> P.S. >> I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 14 09:23:31 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070114152331.28208.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If all you want is a document store, Gustav, it's called SQL Server 2005. Apparently the term BLOB has gone out of fashion (go figure), now this column type is called LOB. (Massive improvement from the Creative Naming Department over there in Redmond.) Turns out I already had Binder installed, so I just dragged it onto my Office Shortcut bar (another feature that I love that has mysteriously gone missing -- currently I have 11 Office shortcut bars, each dedicated to a different set of tasks or group of apps -- this makes much more sense to me than using the Start Menu). Anyway, I'm building my first Binder as I write this. We shall see. One of the things I'm hoping it will successfully deal with is different style sheets for different components. I have one style for mostly-text chapters and another style for SQL Tips, and so on. What I'm hoping Binder will do is let me drop all the various documents into my new book (soon to be available from a sensible bookstore near you, I hope). Arthur ----- Original Message ---- From: Gustav Brock To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Hi Arthur People and small companies are generally not very "advanced" computer users - and for those few that are, their clients or customers or suppliers they communicate with are not. That's why I don't see a glorious future for things like SharePoint server. Most users just don't get it, and people like us - who are supposed to be able to find out the inner ideas and secrets of such products and spread the word - are busy with other tasks. /gustav PS: Having Word to keep hold on 200 documents - in some confident way - would kill my sleep. Wouldn't there be another way to do this - like a true document store or database? >>> artful at rogers.com 14-01-2007 02:56:55 >>> So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. A. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 14 11:28:11 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:28:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070114172811.64223.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thus far, (eight chunks in), Binder is doing exactly what I want it to do. So I'm going with it. ----- Original Message ---- From: "artful at rogers.com" To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:58:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder You can? Of course, you can insert files into another file, but then you run into style sheet collisions and so on. What I had in mind is, I think, exactly what Binder was intended to do. So I'll dig out my O2K CD and install it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Brawley To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder >I wonder why they dropped it. I would have >thought such a technology to have legs. Apparently it did not attract much use. Perhaps because you can do something like it in Word? PB artful at rogers.com wrote: > So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. > > I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. > > A. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Brawley > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder > > Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via > Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. > > PB > > artful at rogers.com wrote: > >> Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> >> P.S. >> I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 11:50:20 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:50:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <20070114172811.64223.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070114172811.64223.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/14/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > Thus far, (eight chunks in), Binder is doing exactly what I want it to do. So I'm going with it. Keep in mind 2 things with Binder. 1) Not everyone has it installed, which poses a problem when you send a binder doc 2) If you want to extract the files, there is no easy way to do it. You have to open each one, from Binder, in its native app and then save it. Royal PITA when you are dealing with a Binder doc with 20+ files in it. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Jan 14 12:31:05 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:31:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45AA76E9.8060007@shaw.ca> There might be some way to save all these as XML files with 2007 and maybe 2003 but adding pagination could get really involved. I would pass if asked to do it. artful at rogers.com wrote: >So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. > >I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. > >A. > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Peter Brawley >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder > >Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added via >Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. > >PB > >artful at rogers.com wrote: > > >>Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? >> >>TIA, >>Arthur >> >>P.S. >>I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 14 12:56:16 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:56:16 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <45AA76E9.8060007@shaw.ca> References: <20070114015655.90095.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45AA76E9.8060007@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000c01c7380d$abb03290$0200a8c0@jt2> I think the thing to do would be to compile the document in binder, and then run it through a pdf creator. Makes it much smaller (and therefore manageable), and everyone in the English speaking world can open it. We used Binder a couple of times at work, but it made for documents that were unimaginably huge. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: 14 January 2007 18:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder There might be some way to save all these as XML files with 2007 and maybe 2003 but adding pagination could get really involved. I would pass if asked to do it. artful at rogers.com wrote: >So I have the O2k virgin installed already. I don't want to trap myself though. I suppose that I can experiment, reading a couple of dozen files into a Binder wrapper, and see what happens. > >I wonder why they dropped it. I would have thought such a technology to have legs. Example: combine several Word documents, several Excel worksheets and several Access reports into one file, with intelligent pagination. Am I the only guy in the world who needs to do this? Perhaps. > >A. > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Peter Brawley >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:20:36 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder > >Binder was discontinued after w2k. I think retrosupport can be added >via Add/Remove Programs/Microsoft Office. > >PB > >artful at rogers.com wrote: > > >>Has Binder been dropped from the Office suite? I have several versions of Office installed, and it seems that the only place Binder lives is in Office 2000. Is that correct, or did it simply fail to install on subsequent versions? >> >>TIA, >>Arthur >> >>P.S. >>I ask because I have a need to collect about 200 documents into one master document. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ########################################################### This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net ########################################################### From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 14 19:45:53 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:45:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder Message-ID: <20070115014553.49024.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hmmm. I will think about those qualifications. So far I am just assembling existing docs, in the main, but I did have to create two or three on the fly, which I did by opening Word separately, creating the doc and then adding it to Binder. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:50:20 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder On 1/14/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > Thus far, (eight chunks in), Binder is doing exactly what I want it to do. So I'm going with it. Keep in mind 2 things with Binder. 1) Not everyone has it installed, which poses a problem when you send a binder doc 2) If you want to extract the files, there is no easy way to do it. You have to open each one, from Binder, in its native app and then save it. Royal PITA when you are dealing with a Binder doc with 20+ files in it. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 15 08:28:52 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:28:52 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Binder In-Reply-To: <20070114152331.28208.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070114152331.28208.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028801c738b1$7b458930$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Arthur, I think Office Shortcut Bar was dropped because of the addition of the Windows Toolbars which are much more flexible and don't require the extra RAM that the Office Shortcut Bar did. I tried to use Office Shortcut Bar for awhile but gave up because of the instability it seemed to cause Windows 95/98. Although I only ever attempted using the O97 version, the crashes it caused were enough to put me off. I had poor experiences with O97's Binder also. Just when I'd get to the point of adopting it things would start crashing/locking up. Like you, I had need of document independence with pagination. Although I also needed to include Word and Excel files in the Binder. Just never panned out for me. I went to Acrobat and never looked back. You can add just about any type of document to an acrobat file and have the native styles retained while getting the pagination needed. Plus it's pretty much platform independent. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Binder ...Office Shortcut bar (another feature that I love that has mysteriously gone missing -- currently I have 11 Office shortcut bars, each dedicated to a different set of tasks or group of apps -- this makes much more sense to me than using the Start Menu). From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 12:11:42 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:11:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Message-ID: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Hey, In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse and it will not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases directly into a sub port, but still nothing. I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level is good). Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? Thanks, Bobby From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 12:32:45 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:32:45 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? Try removing and reinserting the batteries? Do a full power off and cold boot? Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? Good luck getting it going again. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. The > mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse and it will > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 adapter > and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases directly into a > sub port, but still nothing. > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level is > good). > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 12:44:14 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:44:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: References: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. I did the cold boot thing. Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. LOL. The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the list. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? Try removing and reinserting the batteries? Do a full power off and cold boot? Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? Good luck getting it going again. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. The > mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse and it will > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 adapter > and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases directly into a > sub port, but still nothing. > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level is > good). > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 17 12:46:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:46:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <000601c73a62$f116fc90$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <01b101c73a67$d2baabc0$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I have a Logitech wireless optical and this happens to me frequently. Some radio interference apparently kicks it off but never back on. I hit the channel connect button on receiver unit and the little switch on the bottom and all is well again. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Hey, In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse and it will not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases directly into a sub port, but still nothing. I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level is good). Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? Thanks, Bobby From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 17 13:33:36 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:33:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> Sounds like the mouse port died. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. I did the cold boot thing. Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. LOL. The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the list. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? Try removing and reinserting the batteries? Do a full power off and cold boot? Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? Good luck getting it going again. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > and it will > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > directly into a > sub port, but still nothing. > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > is good). > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 13:56:49 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> Message-ID: <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB port, but same thing. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Sounds like the mouse port died. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. I did the cold boot thing. Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. LOL. The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the list. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? Try removing and reinserting the batteries? Do a full power off and cold boot? Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? Good luck getting it going again. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > and it will > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > directly into a > sub port, but still nothing. > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > is good). > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:09:39 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:09:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: Is is possible that the driver software has some sensitivity setting set incorrectly?? Do you have any special Intellimouse driver software loaded? Try add and remove programs for that and try and delete it? Or perhaps check under Mouse Properties in Control Panel?? There is also a TroubleShoot tab there on mine. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB port, but > same thing. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Sounds like the mouse port died. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. > > I did the cold boot thing. > > Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. > LOL. > > The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. > > Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I > plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the > list. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? > > Try removing and reinserting the batteries? > > Do a full power off and cold boot? > > Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them > someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? > > Good luck getting it going again. > > GK > > On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > > Hey, > > > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > > and it > will > > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > > directly into > a > > sub port, but still nothing. > > > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the > Intellimouse > > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > > is good). > > > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Jan 17 14:20:07 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:20:07 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805><000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> I'd be tempted to download a new mouse driver - I know Logitech mice have different software, maybe the MS ones do too? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 17 January 2007 20:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Is is possible that the driver software has some sensitivity setting set incorrectly?? Do you have any special Intellimouse driver software loaded? Try add and remove programs for that and try and delete it? Or perhaps check under Mouse Properties in Control Panel?? There is also a TroubleShoot tab there on mine. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB > port, but same thing. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Sounds like the mouse port died. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. > > I did the cold boot thing. > > Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. > LOL. > > The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. > > Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as > I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added > it to the list. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? > > Try removing and reinserting the batteries? > > Do a full power off and cold boot? > > Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button > on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? > > Good luck getting it going again. > > GK > > On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > > Hey, > > > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > > and it > will > > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > > directly into > a > > sub port, but still nothing. > > > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the > Intellimouse > > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > > is good). > > > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 14:30:01 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:30:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <000f01c73a76$44146e10$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Ok, this is too weird. Someone had given us an older pc that I set up for my daughter to use. It has a corded Logitech mouse. I connected this mouse to the PS/2 port and... it WORKS! I have no idea why though. I still could not get the other mice working. I'll play with it later. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:57 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB port, but same thing. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Sounds like the mouse port died. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. I did the cold boot thing. Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. LOL. The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the list. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? Try removing and reinserting the batteries? Do a full power off and cold boot? Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? Good luck getting it going again. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > and it will > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > directly into a > sub port, but still nothing. > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the Intellimouse > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > is good). > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > Thanks, > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 14:33:17 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:33:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <001001c73a76$b8695050$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Hi Gary, All was working well when all of a sudden the mouse quit working. The mouse works without installing the software. But I had made no changes to anything. Later I'll try to remove the software also. I did check in the control panel, that just brings up the Intellimouse software. The troubleshooting stuff did not do anything for me. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Is is possible that the driver software has some sensitivity setting set incorrectly?? Do you have any special Intellimouse driver software loaded? Try add and remove programs for that and try and delete it? Or perhaps check under Mouse Properties in Control Panel?? There is also a TroubleShoot tab there on mine. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB port, but > same thing. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Sounds like the mouse port died. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. > > I did the cold boot thing. > > Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. > LOL. > > The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. > > Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as I > plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added it to the > list. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? > > Try removing and reinserting the batteries? > > Do a full power off and cold boot? > > Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button on them > someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? > > Good luck getting it going again. > > GK > > On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > > Hey, > > > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > > and it > will > > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > > directly into > a > > sub port, but still nothing. > > > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the > Intellimouse > > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > > is good). > > > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 17 14:46:10 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:46:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> I have not downloaded mouse drivers in years! Where would I even begin? I might even restore my system back to what it was this morning and see if that helps. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... I'd be tempted to download a new mouse driver - I know Logitech mice have different software, maybe the MS ones do too? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 17 January 2007 20:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... Is is possible that the driver software has some sensitivity setting set incorrectly?? Do you have any special Intellimouse driver software loaded? Try add and remove programs for that and try and delete it? Or perhaps check under Mouse Properties in Control Panel?? There is also a TroubleShoot tab there on mine. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > That's what I thought, so I connected the base directly into a USB > port, but same thing. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Sounds like the mouse port died. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > I did delete the hardware def, but did not reboot. I'll try it that way. > > I did the cold boot thing. > > Did the battery thing and I pressed every button on the mouse and the base. > LOL. > > The system will not even recognize an old corded mouse. > > Device manager showed no mouse when it was not connected. As soon as > I plugged it into a USB port, device manager recognized it and added > it to the list. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Maybe delete the hardware definition and then reboot? > > Try removing and reinserting the batteries? > > Do a full power off and cold boot? > > Just some thoughts..... Some of my wireless mice have a reset button > on them someplace too. On the bottom or inside where the battery is? > > Good luck getting it going again. > > GK > > On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > > Hey, > > > > In the middle of doing something, my mouse suddenly quit working. > > > > I have a MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 mouse. So I rebooted. > > The mouse still will not work. So I get an older MS wireless mouse > > and it > will > > not work. Note that I had both wireless bases plugged into a ps2 > > adapter and plugged into the mouse port. I tried plugging the bases > > directly into > a > > sub port, but still nothing. > > > > I even tried an old corded mouse I have directly in the ps2 port. > > > > Device manager says the mouse is working properly, as does the > Intellimouse > > software (well, it says the signal quality is high and battery level > > is good). > > > > Any ideas as to what may have happened and/or how to fix it? > > > > Thanks, > > Bobby > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:46:18 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:46:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <001001c73a76$b8695050$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <001001c73a76$b8695050$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: Well since the other one works, it would appear it has to be driver or software related - or the mouse is actually broken.....does it work on the other PC? At least having the other one work would seem to say that the Ps2 Port itself is OK. GK On 1/17/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hi Gary, > > All was working well when all of a sudden the mouse quit working. > > The mouse works without installing the software. But I had made no changes > to anything. Later I'll try to remove the software also. > > I did check in the control panel, that just brings up the Intellimouse > software. > > The troubleshooting stuff did not do anything for me. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... > > Is is possible that the driver software has some sensitivity setting > set incorrectly?? Do you have any special Intellimouse driver > software loaded? Try add and remove programs for that and try and > delete it? Or perhaps check under Mouse Properties in Control Panel?? > There is also a TroubleShoot tab there on mine. > > GK -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 17 22:44:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:44:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... In-Reply-To: <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805><000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <00cc01c73abb$5cdb74d0$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I just remembered, I have this really neat IBM optical (corded) mouse that I carry with my notebook. Its real comfortable in the hand. Its made by micro innovations and just re-branded by IBM. It works great and then next time I boot up the notebook it won't work. I switch USB ports and it'll work again until next reboot. (I now carry another cordless mouse with me too but when the battery dies I use the IBM.) I always figured it was a short in the cord or something but that was really quite a hopeful swag. I never found any rhyme or reason for it. I downloaded the drivers and that didn't help. You can Google up dozens of driver download places. Don't pay for nay of them because there are some free sites with thousands of drivers. You will probably have to register though. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working... I have not downloaded mouse drivers in years! Where would I even begin? I might even restore my system back to what it was this morning and see if that helps. Bobby From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Jan 20 12:26:20 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:26:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Hey, I finally determined what the problem was... low batteries! I did not think to check the batteries because the Intellimouse software said that the battery level was good. It reports the batteries as good even with the new batteries. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks to all that tried to help me with this issue. Bobby From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 13:59:54 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:59:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: HA!. Another time when it's something simpler than we thought. Glad you got it solved. GK On 1/20/07, Bobby Heid wrote: > Hey, > > I finally determined what the problem was... low batteries! > > I did not think to check the batteries because the Intellimouse software > said that the battery level was good. It reports the batteries as good even > with the new batteries. Oh well, live and learn. > > Thanks to all that tried to help me with this issue. > > Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 20 16:18:09 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:18:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805><000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2><001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <081301c73ce0$de626640$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I'm glad you figured it out. I had just scanned in and OCR'd an entire article on troubleshooting Intellimouse! Oh, well if anyone needs it let me know. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Hey, I finally determined what the problem was... low batteries! I did not think to check the batteries because the Intellimouse software said that the battery level was good. It reports the batteries as good even with the new batteries. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks to all that tried to help me with this issue. From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Jan 20 16:43:41 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:43:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <081301c73ce0$de626640$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805> <000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2> <001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp> <081301c73ce0$de626640$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <002801c73ce4$6f681290$2d01a8c0@bhxp> John, I appreciate the effort you went through. If I ever have problems with my mouse again, you'll be the 1st one I ask for help from! Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED I'm glad you figured it out. I had just scanned in and OCR'd an entire article on troubleshooting Intellimouse! Oh, well if anyone needs it let me know. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Hey, I finally determined what the problem was... low batteries! I did not think to check the batteries because the Intellimouse software said that the battery level was good. It reports the batteries as good even with the new batteries. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks to all that tried to help me with this issue. From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 20 19:49:02 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:49:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <002801c73ce4$6f681290$2d01a8c0@bhxp> References: <001401c73a67$7cf45ba0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><00a901c73a6e$639485c0$657aa8c0@m6805><000901c73a71$a01821c0$2d01a8c0@bhxp><004101c73a74$e17cfa70$0200a8c0@jt2><001101c73a78$854de670$2d01a8c0@bhxp><000901c73cc0$7bd82a20$2d01a8c0@bhxp><081301c73ce0$de626640$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <002801c73ce4$6f681290$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <088a01c73cfe$543c0d90$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> LOL! I didn't mean make it sound so dramatic, I've got this damned head cold and things just aren't coming out (or in for that matter) very well. I glad you found a simple solution because these steps were pretty drastic. Apparently this was a much bigger problem than I realized! I was reading through some technical support materials I recently purchased and I noticed it and thought I'd post it - no big deal. Its good to use my OCR software every now and again just to keep up on the practice - its actually quite easy these days. :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse quit working...SOLVED John, I appreciate the effort you went through. If I ever have problems with my mouse again, you'll be the 1st one I ask for help from! Thanks, Bobby From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 11:34:17 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:34:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution Message-ID: <007e01c73fdd$e0208b60$17b62ad1@SUSANONE> Outlook Express allows you to save a sent message in a specific folder. You can't do this with Outlook. I'm wondering how hard it would be to add this type of save to Outlook? I wouldn't know where to start. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 13:28:20 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:28:20 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <007e01c73fdd$e0208b60$17b62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <007e01c73fdd$e0208b60$17b62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <035f01c73fed$cf32f210$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Outlook allows you to save your sent messages in either the sent messages folder or the folder the message was replied to/forwarded from. So for instance, all of my mail gets sorted to client folders as it comes in. If I reply to a message, that reply gets places in the same folder once sent. To accommodate have new messages stored in a specific folder you can create rules that place them in their respective folders. Works just the opposite of incoming rules. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Outlook Express allows you to save a sent message in a specific folder. You can't do this with Outlook. I'm wondering how hard it would be to add this type of save to Outlook? I wouldn't know where to start. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 15:51:25 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom Message-ID: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't read the repair CD. Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my virus/spyware/adware scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 15:59:16 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:59:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <035f01c73fed$cf32f210$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000d01c74002$e4fa2720$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Well, I hate to be a real ditz... Outlook allows you to save your sent messages in either the sent messages folder or the folder the message was replied to/forwarded from. =======All my sent messages are saved in the Sent folder. I assume this is a default setting. So for instance, all of my mail gets sorted to client folders as it comes in. If I reply to a message, that reply gets places in the same folder once sent. =======Not for me. All messages are saved in the Sent folder. To accommodate have new messages stored in a specific folder you can create rules that place them in their respective folders. Works just the opposite of incoming rules. =======I'm already downloading messages into specific folders. I ran a quick Help check and didn't turn up anything helpful. I'm guessing there's a property you set -- checked Options, didn't find anything. Truthfully, I might be looking straight at it and just not recognize it. Susan H. From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Jan 24 16:05:56 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:05:56 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <003e01c74003$d2b9a5d0$0200a8c0@jt2> You could try downloading a registry fixing tool, I had a similar problem a while back and a registry fix cured it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 January 2007 21:51 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't read the repair CD. Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my virus/spyware/adware scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 16:09:23 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:09:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <000d01c74002$e4fa2720$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <035f01c73fed$cf32f210$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000d01c74002$e4fa2720$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <03fa01c74004$4ed07680$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Susan, Which version of Outlook are you using? John From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 16:13:01 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:13:01 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <03fb01c74004$d124df90$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Susan, If you are using WinXP try System Restore. Copy and paste this into the run command line and it will pop up: %systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe Restore to a point where the CD worked (yesterday, the day before whatever.) If that doesn't work let us know. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:51 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't read the repair CD. Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my virus/spyware/adware scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. From jim.moss at jlmoss.net Wed Jan 24 16:16:39 2007 From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:16:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <1232.65.196.182.34.1169676999.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Does it have power? > I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet > Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't > read the repair CD. > > Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. > > Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my > virus/spyware/adware > scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 16:39:03 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:39:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: Does it show up under Device Manager?? Does it show up under Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Computer Management/Storage/Disk Management ?? Perhaps it's drive letter got mistakenly reassigned? Did you COLD BOOT when you rebooted? Or just restart? Might be worth a shot Good luck. GK On 1/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet > Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't > read the repair CD. > > Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. > > Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my virus/spyware/adware > scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 16:40:27 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:40:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <003e01c74003$d2b9a5d0$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <000601c74008$a5aaf8f0$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> You could try downloading a registry fixing tool, I had a similar problem a while back and a registry fix cured it. =======Can you suggest one? Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 16:40:27 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:40:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <03fb01c74004$d124df90$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000701c74008$a662b030$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> System Restore's turned off -- I had to do that about 2 years ago when I caught a worm that absolutely nothing could find and delete -- it was in the Restore file and the only way to stop reinfecting myself was turn off the feature. Susan H. Susan, If you are using WinXP try System Restore. Copy and paste this into the run command line and it will pop up: %systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe Restore to a point where the CD worked (yesterday, the day before whatever.) If that doesn't work let us know. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 16:40:27 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:40:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <1232.65.196.182.34.1169676999.squirrel@65.196.182.34> Message-ID: <000801c74008$a7a939f0$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> Yes, I can open and shut it. Susan H. Does it have power? From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 16:41:05 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:41:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <03fa01c74004$4ed07680$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000901c74008$bc883e70$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> 2003 Susan H. Which version of Outlook are you using? From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Jan 24 16:47:28 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:47:28 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000601c74008$a5aaf8f0$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> References: <003e01c74003$d2b9a5d0$0200a8c0@jt2> <000601c74008$a5aaf8f0$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <004001c74009$a0686cf0$0200a8c0@jt2> I've got Uniblue's Registry Booster installed here, but there are plenty of freebies around that'll do the same thing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 January 2007 22:40 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom You could try downloading a registry fixing tool, I had a similar problem a while back and a registry fix cured it. =======Can you suggest one? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 17:05:48 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:05:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000701c74008$a662b030$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> References: <03fb01c74004$d124df90$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000701c74008$a662b030$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <041901c7400c$2ff74d30$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> You really should have it on. Typically if there is a worm/virus or spyware cached in the system restore points then you would purge the System Restore, clean off the problem and then, when the system is clean, turn System Restore back on. To purge it you simply turning it off. Then restart the PC. After you run through an anti-virus/spyware cleaner then turn it back on. System restore is a GOOD thing for the average computer user. Its just that it can also store bad things. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom System Restore's turned off -- I had to do that about 2 years ago when I caught a worm that absolutely nothing could find and delete -- it was in the Restore file and the only way to stop reinfecting myself was turn off the feature. Susan H. Susan, If you are using WinXP try System Restore. Copy and paste this into the run command line and it will pop up: %systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe Restore to a point where the CD worked (yesterday, the day before whatever.) If that doesn't work let us know. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 17:16:43 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:16:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <000901c74008$bc883e70$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> References: <03fa01c74004$4ed07680$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000901c74008$bc883e70$aeb82ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <041e01c7400d$b736e890$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Tools | Options | Email Options | Advanced Email Options Yes, I know - very intuitive location! :o) If you have rules to separate your email into separate folders when coming in, then you don't need to make new ones for it when you are replying or forwarding. But when you send an email from scratch it will go into the sent items folder unless you make a rule to handle outgoing messages. Me - well I just go through my sent items once a month a drag and drop 'em to where they belong :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution 2003 Susan H. Which version of Outlook are you using? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 18:38:03 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:38:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <041e01c7400d$b736e890$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000001c74019$175ba2f0$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> Tools | Options | Email Options | Advanced Email Options Yes, I know - very intuitive location! :o) ========= That route doesn't seem to exist for me. I should mention that this is a stand-alone system without Exchange. That might make a difference. I looked there before and didn't find anything. If you have rules to separate your email into separate folders when coming in, then you don't need to make new ones for it when you are replying or forwarding. =========All sent mail, even replies, go into my Sent folder. But when you send an email from scratch it will go into the sent items folder unless you make a rule to handle outgoing messages. Me - well I just go through my sent items once a month a drag and drop 'em to where they belong :o) =========I have too many -- that would be a horrible pia, but it's better than nothing. Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 18:40:12 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:40:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <041901c7400c$2ff74d30$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000201c74019$60c63130$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> You really should have it on. Typically if there is a worm/virus or spyware cached in the system restore points then you would purge the System Restore, clean off the problem and then, when the system is clean, turn System Restore back on. To purge it you simply turning it off. Then restart the PC. After you run through an anti-virus/spyware cleaner then turn it back on. ========It's been a long time, but I don't think that worked -- I tried several times and every time I enabled System Restore, I was reinfected. At the time, I didn't want to reformat and start from scratch. I still don't want to do that. Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 19:08:26 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:08:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <004001c74009$a0686cf0$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <000901c7401d$53b26d20$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> Pretty slick -- it found a couple hundred in the free scan. If anyone would like to recommend a free utility, please do -- I did a search, but there are too many to just go in blind. Susan H. I've got Uniblue's Registry Booster installed here, but there are plenty of freebies around that'll do the same thing. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jan 24 19:30:46 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:30:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000901c7401d$53b26d20$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> References: <004001c74009$a0686cf0$0200a8c0@jt2>, <000901c7401d$53b26d20$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <45B894E6.31467.3378C0C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 24 Jan 2007 at 20:08, Susan Harkins wrote: > Pretty slick -- it found a couple hundred in the free scan. > > If anyone would like to recommend a free utility, please do -- I did a > search, but there are too many to just go in blind. Reasonally reliable recommendations: At http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#26 "my top recommendation is Toni Helenius' free EasyCleaner " http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm At http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/sys.htm#Registry:%20Cleaner "RegCleaner" http://freeware4u.com/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=49 From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 20:58:29 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:58:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <000001c74019$175ba2f0$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> References: <041e01c7400d$b736e890$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000001c74019$175ba2f0$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <04c201c7402c$b1d0fa70$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> This is stand alone Outlook 2003 SP2. I just double checked and I should have probably wrote: Tools | Options [Email Options], [Advanced Email Options] there is an option on that dialog about ..."save replies with original message" -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution Tools | Options | Email Options | Advanced Email Options Yes, I know - very intuitive location! :o) ========= That route doesn't seem to exist for me. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 24 21:03:33 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:03:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000201c74019$60c63130$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> References: <041901c7400c$2ff74d30$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000201c74019$60c63130$0a32fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <04c601c7402d$66b4f630$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> An additional step you can take to remove restore points is: Start | Run %SystemRoot%\System32\cleanmgr.exe click [More Options] and under System Restore click [Clean up...] -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom You really should have it on. Typically if there is a worm/virus or spyware cached in the system restore points then you would purge the System Restore, clean off the problem and then, when the system is clean, turn System Restore back on. To purge it you simply turning it off. Then restart the PC. After you run through an anti-virus/spyware cleaner then turn it back on. ========It's been a long time, but I don't think that worked -- I tried several times and every time I enabled System Restore, I was reinfected. At the time, I didn't want to reformat and start from scratch. I still don't want to do that. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jan 24 21:29:38 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:29:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook solution In-Reply-To: <04c201c7402c$b1d0fa70$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000001c74031$0f56f240$dcbc2ad1@SUSANONE> I just double checked and I should have probably wrote: Tools | Options [Email Options], [Advanced Email Options] there is an option on that dialog about ..."save replies with original message" ======Thank you -- I did finally find it. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 24 23:19:17 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:19:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c74040$5f149ee0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM From artful at rogers.com Thu Jan 25 05:47:45 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:47:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Message-ID: <20070125114745.40874.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 25 07:07:06 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:07:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: <26563113.1169702606671.JavaMail.root@sniper30> References: <26563113.1169702606671.JavaMail.root@sniper30> Message-ID: <002701c74081$b80d32a0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Hi Rocky, I recently got a copy of Microsoft Expression Web, which is the much-improved successor to Front Page (which is now non-supported). I also just got a book (Special Edition Using Microsoft Expression Web) on this program and read through the intro material. I haven't started using it yet though. It seems to me that Web may be a good choice for what you're doing. It's not a high-level app like VS Studio 2005, and Visual Web Developer and Web can work together to make more complex sites, if needed. Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jan 25 05:54:37 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:54:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? References: <20070125114745.40874.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rocky Have a look at this. Its from 2003 so a little out of date with .NET 2 etc now. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa192490(office.11).aspx But should give you a general idea. I would also do some background work on classes. I believe Charlotte has lots of experience in .NET stuff. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 11:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jan 25 08:09:36 2007 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:09:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: <20070125114745.40874.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c7408a$75a439f0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Day or two? Hahahahahahahahahaah. Oh, that's without the learning curve, yes? So then I could (with a few modifications) put this on the web and sell separate uses? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA. Will this convert 90%? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 25 08:12:07 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:12:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c7408a$d1b19850$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Bookmarked! SO VB.NET is the language used by Visual Studio? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky Have a look at this. Its from 2003 so a little out of date with .NET 2 etc now. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa192490(office.11).aspx But should give you a general idea. I would also do some background work on classes. I believe Charlotte has lots of experience in .NET stuff. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 11:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 25 08:30:32 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:30:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: <001701c7408a$d1b19850$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <003201c7408d$5efe02a0$657aa8c0@m6805> Visual Studio is an environment for building applications. VB.Net is ONE of many languages which can be used from within Visual Studio. C# is another, JAVA (IIRC) and several more. All of these languages are a thin veneer over the .Net framework which provides most of the actual functionality. All of these languages compile down to a intermediate language similar to Assembly language. THAT is then compiled down to actual machine language. VB.Net seems to be the most popular if you use the "most people use it" measurement". C# seems to be the most popular by SERIOUS developers (in their own minds) and often by companies who have been sold on the "if it ain't C it ain't real programming" mentality. C# and VB.Net each have a few valid programming structures that the other does not have, but in general, both are adequate for 99% of the tasks you will run into. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Bookmarked! SO VB.NET is the language used by Visual Studio? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky Have a look at this. Its from 2003 so a little out of date with .NET 2 etc now. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa192490(office.11).aspx But should give you a general idea. I would also do some background work on classes. I believe Charlotte has lots of experience in .NET stuff. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 11:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 25 08:31:54 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:31:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: <26563113.1169702606671.JavaMail.root@sniper30> References: <26563113.1169702606671.JavaMail.root@sniper30> Message-ID: <004a01c7408d$9036def0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Hi Rocky, Purely by coincidence, I just came across this at the 37signals.com. It's a book you can buy or read for free on-line about building web apps. I haven't read it, but I have a site I want to upgrade. http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Thu Jan 25 08:41:29 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:41:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Message-ID: <20070125144130.90383.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All this is true. However, there are abundant translators available, and when you examine the code side by side, the translators are not quite rocket-science to create. (Dim translates into x, CRLF translates into ";", etc.). That said, one can easily code in VB.NET and then translate it into C# for increased revenue. And the people who will pay more for Y rather than X are stupid. Nothing morally incorrect for billing stupid people large amounts of dollars LOL. If you're comfortable in VBA then develop in VB.NET but translate it into C# and increase your billing rate accordingly (add ~25/hr for the "deep" c# code). ----- Original Message ---- From: JWColby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:30:32 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Visual Studio is an environment for building applications. VB.Net is ONE of many languages which can be used from within Visual Studio. C# is another, JAVA (IIRC) and several more. All of these languages are a thin veneer over the .Net framework which provides most of the actual functionality. All of these languages compile down to a intermediate language similar to Assembly language. THAT is then compiled down to actual machine language. VB.Net seems to be the most popular if you use the "most people use it" measurement". C# seems to be the most popular by SERIOUS developers (in their own minds) and often by companies who have been sold on the "if it ain't C it ain't real programming" mentality. C# and VB.Net each have a few valid programming structures that the other does not have, but in general, both are adequate for 99% of the tasks you will run into. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Bookmarked! SO VB.NET is the language used by Visual Studio? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky Have a look at this. Its from 2003 so a little out of date with .NET 2 etc now. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa192490(office.11).aspx But should give you a general idea. I would also do some background work on classes. I believe Charlotte has lots of experience in .NET stuff. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 11:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jan 25 08:18:39 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:18:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? References: <001701c7408a$d1b19850$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Its one of them. The other very popular one used here is C# (C Share) its dosnt matter whcih one you use as far as .NET is concerned. VB woudl likely get you up and running that bit faster. Also can use C++ andf J# with Visual Studio. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 14:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Bookmarked! SO VB.NET is the language used by Visual Studio? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky Have a look at this. Its from 2003 so a little out of date with .NET 2 etc now. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa192490(office.11).aspx But should give you a general idea. I would also do some background work on classes. I believe Charlotte has lots of experience in .NET stuff. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 11:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Jan 25 10:17:36 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:17:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: References: <001701c7408a$d1b19850$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000b01c7409c$5487f2e0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Rocky, I just came across this today. MS has released ASP AJAX 1.0. They have info here: http://www.asp.net/default.aspx?tabindex=1&tabid=1 and videos (not just on AJAX) here: http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/default.aspx?tabid=63 Many of the videos are in VB.Net and C#. They have examples in both languages also. I'm looking into this stuff also. Bobby ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Jan 25 10:18:52 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:18:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? References: <001701c7408a$d1b19850$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000c01c7409c$8164a100$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Also they have Starter Kits (red, full website examples) for Visual Web Developer here: http://www.asp.net/downloads/starterkits/default.aspx?tabid=62 Bobby -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at sc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky, I just came across this today. MS has released ASP AJAX 1.0. They have info here: http://www.asp.net/default.aspx?tabindex=1&tabid=1 and videos (not just on AJAX) here: http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/default.aspx?tabid=63 Many of the videos are in VB.Net and C#. They have examples in both languages also. I'm looking into this stuff also. Bobby ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 25 10:27:44 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:27:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? In-Reply-To: <000b01c7409c$5487f2e0$2d01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <004401c7409d$c384c550$0201a8c0@HAL9005> So then what would be the preferred development platform ASP.NET or VS2005 in VB.NET? (So many Development Environments. So little time.) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky, I just came across this today. MS has released ASP AJAX 1.0. They have info here: http://www.asp.net/default.aspx?tabindex=1&tabid=1 and videos (not just on AJAX) here: http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/default.aspx?tabid=63 Many of the videos are in VB.Net and C#. They have examples in both languages also. I'm looking into this stuff also. Bobby ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jan 25 10:30:03 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:30:03 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? References: <004401c7409d$c384c550$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Well you have VS 2005 so go with that and VB.NET given your VBA skills. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974477 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thu 25/01/2007 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So then what would be the preferred development platform ASP.NET or VS2005 in VB.NET? (So many Development Environments. So little time.) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Rocky, I just came across this today. MS has released ASP AJAX 1.0. They have info here: http://www.asp.net/default.aspx?tabindex=1&tabid=1 and videos (not just on AJAX) here: http://www.asp.net/learn/videos/default.aspx?tabid=63 Many of the videos are in VB.Net and C#. They have examples in both languages also. I'm looking into this stuff also. Bobby ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 25 10:51:13 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:51:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS In-Reply-To: <20070125114745.40874.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c740a1$072cfe50$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Is there a way to import a form and/or controls from Access to a Visual Studio form? Copy and Paste doesn't seem to work. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 25 11:23:30 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:23:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS In-Reply-To: <004a01c740a1$072cfe50$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002501c740a5$88d09120$657aa8c0@m6805> I don't think so. Very different animals John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS Is there a way to import a form and/or controls from Access to a Visual Studio form? Copy and Paste doesn't seem to work. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 25 11:48:30 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:48:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS In-Reply-To: <002501c740a5$88d09120$657aa8c0@m6805> Message-ID: <006c01c740a9$067bdd20$0201a8c0@HAL9005> So it might take a couple days more than Arthur's original estimate? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS I don't think so. Very different animals John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS Is there a way to import a form and/or controls from Access to a Visual Studio form? Copy and Paste doesn't seem to work. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 25 12:25:07 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS In-Reply-To: <006c01c740a9$067bdd20$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <004001c740ae$243af800$657aa8c0@m6805> LOL. uhh.... Yep. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS So it might take a couple days more than Arthur's original estimate? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JWColby Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS I don't think so. Very different animals John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing Access Controls to VS Is there a way to import a form and/or controls from Access to a Visual Studio form? Copy and Paste doesn't seem to work. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? Yes, VS 2005 would be an excellent choice in which to recreate the Sleep Advisor. Given its lack of db-complexity, you could have a prototype working in a day or two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] What Platform for Web Application? So I'm thinking once again about learning a web platform so I can convert two applications and I need a little advice. The Sleep Advisor requires a minimum of data. Just a few yes/no and 1-5 type responses and less than a couple hundred items, at most. It's not even split FE/BE. It is an Access run-time at the moment but if it could be converted to a web-based platform, we could charge per use on the internet, instead of selling the program. I have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I have to try to learn. Would this be a good platform to deploy The Sleep Advisor on the web? In my Action Pack I also see something called Visual Web Developer 2005 - Express Edition, which also looks, from the Microsoft web page on the product like a good tool for this application. But the code is very proprietary and needs to be protected and I don't know if you can do this with VWD. Anyway, would VS2005 be a good tool to re-create the Sleep Advisor? The diagnostic engine has about 7000 lines of VBA and copying it over to VB and tweaking it to make it run under VB would save a lot of work. Or is this an illusion? I am also thinking about E-Z-MRP which is a major application by bulk and scale and would require a lot of work. But what for the back end? Can a VS2005 application use an mdb? Or does it need SQL Server? Anyway I'm also wondering why I don't lay down until the feeling passes. But any advice is welcome. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] (Fwd) Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 Thanks Stuart One more reason to avoid HTML e-mail. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 11-01-2007 02:52 >>> Forwarded from another list I subscribe to: ---------included stuff follows ------------ SitePoint Blogs ? Microsoft Breaks HTML Email Rendering in Outlook 2007 The following is republished from the Tech Times #156. If support for web standards in browsers is improving slowly, then support in email clients is moving at a glacial pace. Attempts to document things like CSS support in the major email clients have revealed a depressing state of affairs, but with recent desktop clients like Thunderbird now sitting on solid rendering engines, things have been looking up. All that changed when Microsoft dropped a lump of coal into every web developer?s stocking with the end-of-year release to business customers, and the upcoming consumer release, of Outlook 2007. ... But late last month, a thread in the SitePoint Forums caught my eye. Microsoft had published a pair of articles describing the support for HTML and CSS in Outlook 2007, and the news wasn?t good: Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in Outlook 2007. The limitations imposed by Word 2007 are described in detail in the article, but here are a few highlights: * no support for background images (HTML or CSS) * no support for forms * no support for Flash, or other plugins * no support for CSS floats * no support for replacing bullets with images in unordered lists * no support for CSS positioning * no support for animated GIFs In short, unless your HTML emails are very, very simple, you?re going to run into problems with Outlook 2007, and in most cases the only solution to those problems will be to reduce the complexity of your HTML email design to accommodate Outlook?s limited feature set. With the release of Outlook 2007, Microsoft is effectively adding an entirely new rendering engine to the mix-one that designers producing HTML email will not be able to ignore. Not only that, but this new rendering engine isn?t any better than that which Outlook previously used-indeed, it?s far worse. With this release, Outlook drops from being one of the best clients for HTML email support to the level of Lotus Notes and Eudora, which, in the words of Campaign Monitor?s David Grenier, "are serial killers making our email design lives hell." Why on earth would Microsoft do such a thing? Security? Microsoft has been shouting from the rooftops about the new security model in Internet Explorer 7 that prevents the nasty security issues that have plagued Outlook in the past. It seems Microsoft doesn?t buy its own publicity, however, because this move sends the message that Internet Explorer?s security model is not to be trusted. ... ... you may want to consider giving your Outlook-based readers an easy way to switch to text-only email. ---------- included stuff ends ----------------- -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 26 12:22:32 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:22:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exporting Outlook Contacts Message-ID: <007a01c74176$f29c3ba0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> I am trying to export my Outlook Address book and have failed. Help was no help. The web was no help. I can export the business contacts, but not the whole contact list. There must be some way to do this. I click File-->Import and Export--> and I only get Outlook (which exports mail folders) and Business Contact Manager for Outlook - which has a subset of my contacts. And search turns up no WAB file so I don't even know where to look for the address book file. HELP!!!! This is making me crazy. MTIA, Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 12:52:47 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:52:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Exporting Outlook Contacts In-Reply-To: <007a01c74176$f29c3ba0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> References: <007a01c74176$f29c3ba0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: In Outlook 2003 I export CONTACTS by clicking "File" and then "Import and Export" That brings up the Import and Export Wizard which has a list box that the first entry is "Export to a File". That gets a list of output file types which includes various comma and tab seperated text files, Access and Excel. If I pick Access it gives me a list of Folders to Export from. Since I have about 10 sub folders within my contacts folder I have to do it 10 times once for each sub folder. Don't know how to do the address book itself seperately from CONTACTS though. GK On 1/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I am trying to export my Outlook Address book and have failed. Help was no > help. The web was no help. > > I can export the business contacts, but not the whole contact list. There > must be some way to do this. > > I click File-->Import and Export--> and I only get Outlook (which exports > mail folders) and Business Contact Manager for Outlook - which has a subset > of my contacts. > > And search turns up no WAB file so I don't even know where to look for the > address book file. > > HELP!!!! > > This is making me crazy. > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 26 13:14:44 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:14:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Exporting Outlook Contacts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009c01c7417e$3d5cdfd0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Figured it out. Export Outlook - select contacts folder. Who knew? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:53 AM To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Exporting Outlook Contacts In Outlook 2003 I export CONTACTS by clicking "File" and then "Import and Export" That brings up the Import and Export Wizard which has a list box that the first entry is "Export to a File". That gets a list of output file types which includes various comma and tab seperated text files, Access and Excel. If I pick Access it gives me a list of Folders to Export from. Since I have about 10 sub folders within my contacts folder I have to do it 10 times once for each sub folder. Don't know how to do the address book itself seperately from CONTACTS though. GK On 1/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I am trying to export my Outlook Address book and have failed. Help > was no help. The web was no help. > > I can export the business contacts, but not the whole contact list. > There must be some way to do this. > > I click File-->Import and Export--> and I only get Outlook (which > exports mail folders) and Business Contact Manager for Outlook - which > has a subset of my contacts. > > And search turns up no WAB file so I don't even know where to look for > the address book file. > > HELP!!!! > > This is making me crazy. > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.11/652 - Release Date: 1/25/2007 3:32 PM From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 27 09:38:48 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:38:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exporting Outlook Contacts In-Reply-To: <007a01c74176$f29c3ba0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> References: <007a01c74176$f29c3ba0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <04ff01c74229$3dafc410$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Rocky, Please explain what your goal is. I have exported outlook addresses to a number of places, each has their own best way to go about it, so I don't want to act as if there is one good answer for this qquestion :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software I am trying to export my Outlook Address book and have failed. Help was no help. The web was no help. From ssharkins at setel.com Sat Jan 27 10:02:37 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:02:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Message-ID: <003101c7422c$94caa050$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Since downloading the latest version of AVG anti-virus, my system is terminally slow. Is anyone else using it and have you noticed this? I turned off the executable scan - I can turn it on if I need it - but I'm not sure that's really helped. I've also lost my CD-ROM drive - which we've already discussed, but I don't think AVG was the culprit. I've run all the spyware, adware scans - finding the normal stuff and getting rid of it, but that doesn't improve performance like it use to. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 27 10:19:31 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:19:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <003101c7422c$94caa050$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <002e01c7422e$ed402000$0201a8c0@HAL9005> If you terminate AVG altogether does the machine speed up again? If not, then it's probably not AVG. I'm using Version 7.5.432. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Since downloading the latest version of AVG anti-virus, my system is terminally slow. Is anyone else using it and have you noticed this? I turned off the executable scan - I can turn it on if I need it - but I'm not sure that's really helped. I've also lost my CD-ROM drive - which we've already discussed, but I don't think AVG was the culprit. I've run all the spyware, adware scans - finding the normal stuff and getting rid of it, but that doesn't improve performance like it use to. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 27 10:24:35 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:24:35 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <002e01c7422e$ed402000$0201a8c0@HAL9005> References: <003101c7422c$94caa050$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> <002e01c7422e$ed402000$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001c01c7422f$a23273a0$0200a8c0@jt2> I'm using 7.5.441 and my PC is ok... Have you tried restarting the machine since it installed the update? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 27 January 2007 16:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus If you terminate AVG altogether does the machine speed up again? If not, then it's probably not AVG. I'm using Version 7.5.432. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Since downloading the latest version of AVG anti-virus, my system is terminally slow. Is anyone else using it and have you noticed this? I turned off the executable scan - I can turn it on if I need it - but I'm not sure that's really helped. I've also lost my CD-ROM drive - which we've already discussed, but I don't think AVG was the culprit. I've run all the spyware, adware scans - finding the normal stuff and getting rid of it, but that doesn't improve performance like it use to. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sat Jan 27 10:58:38 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:58:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <001c01c7422f$a23273a0$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <004201c74234$64d59500$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Oh yes, rebooted many times. Susan H. I'm using 7.5.441 and my PC is ok... Have you tried restarting the machine since it installed the update? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 27 11:01:39 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:01:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exporting Outlook Contacts In-Reply-To: <04ff01c74229$3dafc410$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <003b01c74234$cff41140$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Well I finally figured it out. Export Outlook and then pick the folder Contacts. Couldn't have been easier (or less intuitive). Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Exporting Outlook Contacts Hi Rocky, Please explain what your goal is. I have exported outlook addresses to a number of places, each has their own best way to go about it, so I don't want to act as if there is one good answer for this qquestion :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software I am trying to export my Outlook Address book and have failed. Help was no help. The web was no help. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM From eptept at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 16:18:38 2007 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:18:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <004201c74234$64d59500$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> References: <001c01c7422f$a23273a0$0200a8c0@jt2> <004201c74234$64d59500$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <4f4bf9510701271418m4e1fa9c4y12ba70ffa4faac82@mail.gmail.com> I'm using 7.5.432 and everything is humming along fine...did you check for spyware, etc.? On 1/27/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Oh yes, rebooted many times. > > Susan H. > > I'm using 7.5.441 and my PC is ok... Have you tried restarting the machine > since it installed the update? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at setel.com Sat Jan 27 16:28:07 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:28:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <4f4bf9510701271418m4e1fa9c4y12ba70ffa4faac82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005b01c74262$6c02cea0$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Yes, I've run spyware and adware. Even used Housecall.com to scan for me. I'll just keep looking and running -- looking more and more like I'll have to get some professional help. :( Susan H. I'm using 7.5.432 and everything is humming along fine...did you check for spyware, etc.? From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 27 16:34:27 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:34:27 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <004201c74234$64d59500$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> References: <001c01c7422f$a23273a0$0200a8c0@jt2> <004201c74234$64d59500$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <002e01c74263$4ddd6920$0200a8c0@jt2> I don't know how many spyware things you've run, but I always run 4 different products AND a full anti-virus scan, as well as a Panda online scan, and usually a Mischel Trojan Hunter scan too (just to be on the safe side!) on any PCs I'm not sure of. Then a disck cleanup and multiple defrag... Haven't found a PC I couldn't get back by doing that. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 27 January 2007 16:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Oh yes, rebooted many times. Susan H. I'm using 7.5.441 and my PC is ok... Have you tried restarting the machine since it installed the update? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sat Jan 27 16:39:13 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:39:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <002e01c74263$4ddd6920$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <005f01c74263$f8c84b20$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> I don't know how many spyware things you've run, but I always run 4 different products AND a full anti-virus scan, as well as a Panda online scan, and usually a Mischel Trojan Hunter scan too (just to be on the safe side!) on any PCs I'm not sure of. Then a disck cleanup and multiple defrag... Haven't found a PC I couldn't get back by doing that. ========I run Lavasoft adware and Spybot -- both free products, but have always worked for me in the past. I'll google up a few of the above and see what happens. Susan H. From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 27 16:45:23 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:45:23 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <005f01c74263$f8c84b20$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> References: <002e01c74263$4ddd6920$0200a8c0@jt2> <005f01c74263$f8c84b20$7d34fad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <002f01c74264$d4cbfe50$0200a8c0@jt2> I use those too, Ad-Aware finds stuff all the time, Spybot hasn't found anything in months. The version of Zonealarm I have has AS in it, and is pretty good too. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 27 January 2007 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus I don't know how many spyware things you've run, but I always run 4 different products AND a full anti-virus scan, as well as a Panda online scan, and usually a Mischel Trojan Hunter scan too (just to be on the safe side!) on any PCs I'm not sure of. Then a disck cleanup and multiple defrag... Haven't found a PC I couldn't get back by doing that. ========I run Lavasoft adware and Spybot -- both free products, but have always worked for me in the past. I'll google up a few of the above and see what happens. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sat Jan 27 19:09:16 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:09:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <002f01c74264$d4cbfe50$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <000301c74278$f72cb700$feb62ad1@SUSANONE> Well, I stopped the scan at 153 spyware files. :( What a racket. I'm curious -- I'm using Windows firewall. I really didn't expect to have this level of infection. Susan H. I use those too, Ad-Aware finds stuff all the time, Spybot hasn't found anything in months. The version of Zonealarm I have has AS in it, and is pretty good too. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 20:31:10 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:31:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000801c74001$ce155d00$0cb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: On 1/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > I can't access CD files -- it's just gone. It's not showing up in Internet > Explorer. That means I can't even repair Windows, because the system won't > read the repair CD. > > Any help? I don't have a clue where to start looking. > > Yes, I've rebooted several times. I've also run all my virus/spyware/adware > scans and even ran through housecall at Trends Micro. Susan, Have a look at this page. I just stumbled on it and it may help. http://askbobrankin.com/cdrom_icon_missing.html -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 28 07:01:26 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <000301c74278$f72cb700$feb62ad1@SUSANONE> References: <002f01c74264$d4cbfe50$0200a8c0@jt2> <000301c74278$f72cb700$feb62ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <000401c742dc$6b80a5e0$0200a8c0@jt2> Firewalls won't stop spyware. Firewalls are designed to stop people gaining active connections to your pc. Spyware (Which includes Malware - things designed to make your pc stop working) is just small bits of software that are loaded from dodgy websites when you visit them. When I say that Spybot doesn't find anything, I'm thinking it's because I keep their blocked list up to date. Well worth doing that IMO. I take it you removed those 153 files? Is the PC faster now? My personal record for Spyware removal is over 300 separate files, although I did have one at work the other day with over 3000 infected files, although that was all from one trojan. I seriously thought aboput fixing that one with a magnet... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 28 January 2007 01:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Well, I stopped the scan at 153 spyware files. :( What a racket. I'm curious -- I'm using Windows firewall. I really didn't expect to have this level of infection. Susan H. I use those too, Ad-Aware finds stuff all the time, Spybot hasn't found anything in months. The version of Zonealarm I have has AS in it, and is pretty good too. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jan 28 09:29:46 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:29:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <000401c742dc$6b80a5e0$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <001301c742f1$34324610$0bb82ad1@SUSANONE> I take it you removed those 153 files? Is the PC faster now? My personal record for Spyware removal is over 300 separate files, although I did have one at work the other day with over 3000 infected files, although that was all from one trojan. I seriously thought aboput fixing that one with a magnet... ===========I've downloaded the most recent Spypot update and it only removed 14 items. :( I forgot to mention that it also found something I'm not familiar with -- I don't remember the actual category now -- something, rootkit? What is that? Susan H. From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 28 09:42:02 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:42:02 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <001301c742f1$34324610$0bb82ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000401c742dc$6b80a5e0$0200a8c0@jt2> <001301c742f1$34324610$0bb82ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <000001c742f2$dcbf6c80$0200a8c0@jt2> Rootkits are bad. Sony got into a lot of trouble over those a while back. They're software that is essentially hidden from the OS, but that will run anyway. They included some on some of their "copy protected" CDs to stop you being able to rip them. Once someone found out about them, it was only a matter of time before the Virus Writers started using them. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 28 January 2007 15:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus I take it you removed those 153 files? Is the PC faster now? My personal record for Spyware removal is over 300 separate files, although I did have one at work the other day with over 3000 infected files, although that was all from one trojan. I seriously thought aboput fixing that one with a magnet... ===========I've downloaded the most recent Spypot update and it only removed 14 items. :( I forgot to mention that it also found something I'm not familiar with -- I don't remember the actual category now -- something, rootkit? What is that? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jan 28 10:26:35 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c742f9$18bf0410$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> Susan, Have a look at this page. I just stumbled on it and it may help. http://askbobrankin.com/cdrom_icon_missing.html ======Thanks Bryan -- that did the trick. For anyone following this thread, Windows said the driver was corrupted. I didn't download a new driver file though, I just hacked the registry key as shown in the article and that took care of the problem. Amazing... Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jan 28 10:33:30 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:33:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <000001c742f2$dcbf6c80$0200a8c0@jt2> Message-ID: <001101c742fa$10732fb0$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> Well, I definitely feel like there's something running in the background because my system is terminally slow all of the sudden. :( You know, this stuff just really aggravates me. I'm nobody -- just a freelance writer working from home. I don't make a lot of money, I'm not competing with anybody, but I still have to deal with this crap -- this has cost me a lot of time and time is money. And, it's looking more and more like, I'm going to have to buy some "new" product to fix things up. Some people are just sick -- putting this stuff out there. The Panda scan caught the rootkit, so in the end, I'll probably have to buy it to get rid of it because of course, they didn't get rid of it for free -- just found it for me for free. ;( I'm telling ya -- nice work if you can get it... what a racket. More time, more money... to protect myself -- it just seems insane. Susan H. Rootkits are bad. Sony got into a lot of trouble over those a while back. They're software that is essentially hidden from the OS, but that will run anyway. They included some on some of their "copy protected" CDs to stop you being able to rip them. Once someone found out about them, it was only a matter of time before the Virus Writers started using them. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 10:44:23 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:44:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost my CD-Rom In-Reply-To: <000001c742f9$18bf0410$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> References: <000001c742f9$18bf0410$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: On 1/28/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > ======Thanks Bryan -- that did the trick. For anyone following this thread, Glad it helped. I had this problem before and knew it was a "simple" fix, but couldn't for the life of me remeber what it was until I read the article. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 28 12:11:22 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:11:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <001101c742fa$10732fb0$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <000e01c74307$b7e88710$0201a8c0@HAL9005> If you bring up the processes screen on the task manager and sort descending by CPU does it show something running that you don't recognize? I don't know if The Ultimate Troubleshooter does rootkits but it's a helluva program. You can get it on a free trial I believe. It shows ever program that's running, all the startups, etc. Let's you control what starts and what runs. Describes every running process and gives a recommendation on what to do about it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:34 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus Well, I definitely feel like there's something running in the background because my system is terminally slow all of the sudden. :( You know, this stuff just really aggravates me. I'm nobody -- just a freelance writer working from home. I don't make a lot of money, I'm not competing with anybody, but I still have to deal with this crap -- this has cost me a lot of time and time is money. And, it's looking more and more like, I'm going to have to buy some "new" product to fix things up. Some people are just sick -- putting this stuff out there. The Panda scan caught the rootkit, so in the end, I'll probably have to buy it to get rid of it because of course, they didn't get rid of it for free -- just found it for me for free. ;( I'm telling ya -- nice work if you can get it... what a racket. More time, more money... to protect myself -- it just seems insane. Susan H. Rootkits are bad. Sony got into a lot of trouble over those a while back. They're software that is essentially hidden from the OS, but that will run anyway. They included some on some of their "copy protected" CDs to stop you being able to rip them. Once someone found out about them, it was only a matter of time before the Virus Writers started using them. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 5:02 PM From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 12:49:45 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:49:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox question Message-ID: <20070128184945.5851.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> (I think this is a firefox question. I'm running the latest version.) My email client is something called rogers yahoo. All my mail is actually stored at yahoo, not on my own computer. I imagine that rogers is not the only ISP to offer this service. When I run firefox my preview pane in email is tiny, and I cannot seem to resize it. When I run IE7 rogers yahoo email looks identical, but the pane is sized usefully and I have no trouble resizing it. So I conclude that this is a firefox problem. Has anyone experienced this? And maybe found a fix for it? TIA, Arthur From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Jan 28 14:13:20 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:13:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <001101c742fa$10732fb0$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> References: <001101c742fa$10732fb0$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> Message-ID: <45BD03E0.4000505@shaw.ca> You could try this Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool A quick scan takes 5 minutes, detailed 2 hours Only detects and removes a few rootkits Windows update patch tuesdays is supposed to update Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830 Download directly from here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD724AE0-E72D-4F54-9AB3-75B8EB148356&displaylang=en web site http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx Susan Harkins wrote: >Well, I definitely feel like there's something running in the background >because my system is terminally slow all of the sudden. :( > >You know, this stuff just really aggravates me. I'm nobody -- just a >freelance writer working from home. I don't make a lot of money, I'm not >competing with anybody, but I still have to deal with this crap -- this has >cost me a lot of time and time is money. And, it's looking more and more >like, I'm going to have to buy some "new" product to fix things up. >Some people are just sick -- putting this stuff out there. > >The Panda scan caught the rootkit, so in the end, I'll probably have to buy >it to get rid of it because of course, they didn't get rid of it for free -- >just found it for me for free. ;( > >I'm telling ya -- nice work if you can get it... what a racket. > >More time, more money... to protect myself -- it just seems insane. > >Susan H. > >Rootkits are bad. Sony got into a lot of trouble over those a while back. >They're software that is essentially hidden from the OS, but that will run >anyway. They included some on some of their "copy protected" CDs to stop you >being able to rip them. Once someone found out about them, it was only a >matter of time before the Virus Writers started using them. > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jan 28 14:14:53 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:14:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest AVG anti-virus In-Reply-To: <000e01c74307$b7e88710$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001b01c74318$f98668c0$c4bc2ad1@SUSANONE> That's another thing -- the Task Manager's tool/menu bar is gone. :( Susan H. If you bring up the processes screen on the task manager and sort descending by CPU does it show something running that you don't recognize? I don't know if The Ultimate Troubleshooter does rootkits but it's a helluva program. You can get it on a free trial I believe. It shows ever program that's running, all the startups, etc. Let's you control what starts and what runs. Describes every running process and gives a recommendation on what to do about it. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 15:03:33 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:03:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20070128184945.5851.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070128184945.5851.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/28/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > (I think this is a firefox question. I'm running the latest version.) > > My email client is something called rogers yahoo. All my mail is actually stored at yahoo, not on my own computer. I imagine that rogers is not the only ISP to offer this service. > > When I run firefox my preview pane in email is tiny, and I cannot seem to resize it. When I run IE7 rogers yahoo email looks identical, but the pane is sized usefully and I have no trouble resizing it. So I conclude that this is a firefox problem. > > Has anyone experienced this? And maybe found a fix for it? Are you running the beta of Rogers Yahoo! Mail or the old interface? Since I've moved, I'd succumbed to joining the dark side and had to sign up with Rogers for my ISP. I use FF2 and have no problems resizing the view pane in the beta. Try hitting 'v' to turn on/off the view pane. It may be that you don't have the view pane on. If it's the old interface, I've got no ideas, since I've never used it. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 15:29:12 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:29:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document Message-ID: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, while the rest of the document is in portrait format. I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. Any ideas? TIA, Arthur From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 15:33:21 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:33:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox question Message-ID: <20070128213321.84499.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm using the beta. I can successfully turn the pane on and off but cannot drag its top edge up. The pane shows about 3 lines of text, and as such it's kind of pointless. Thanks for looking at yours, however. Arthur ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:03:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox question On 1/28/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > (I think this is a firefox question. I'm running the latest version.) > > My email client is something called rogers yahoo. All my mail is actually stored at yahoo, not on my own computer. I imagine that rogers is not the only ISP to offer this service. > > When I run firefox my preview pane in email is tiny, and I cannot seem to resize it. When I run IE7 rogers yahoo email looks identical, but the pane is sized usefully and I have no trouble resizing it. So I conclude that this is a firefox problem. > > Has anyone experienced this? And maybe found a fix for it? Are you running the beta of Rogers Yahoo! Mail or the old interface? Since I've moved, I'd succumbed to joining the dark side and had to sign up with Rogers for my ISP. I use FF2 and have no problems resizing the view pane in the beta. Try hitting 'v' to turn on/off the view pane. It may be that you don't have the view pane on. If it's the old interface, I've got no ideas, since I've never used it. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 28 16:07:46 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:07:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document In-Reply-To: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45BDAB52.7594.475857B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You need to put the table in its own section (using "Insert | Break...") and set the page layout for that section to Landscape On 28 Jan 2007 at 13:29, artful at rogers.com wrote: > I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create > the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to > occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, > while the rest of the document is in portrait format. > > I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and > pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 16:42:43 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:42:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document In-Reply-To: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/28/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, while the rest of the document is in portrait format. > > I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. > > Any ideas? As Stuart says, you need to put section breaks around the table, however if you want to keep the headers and footers in portrait mode, you will need to do a little more work. Assuming W2K or better, have a look at: http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=wrd&Number=194127&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post194127 There is an add-in template that will run the appropriate code to setup the page to use far-east settings to keep the headers/footers in place and make the text rotate by 90 deg Clockwise. If you want to skip the reading and just get the template, it is at: http://www.wopr.com/w3tfiles/10-194127-RotateDocAddIn.zip In the interest of full disclosure, yes I did write the add-in. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 16:48:40 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:48:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20070128213321.84499.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070128213321.84499.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/28/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > I'm using the beta. I can successfully turn the pane on and off but cannot drag its top edge up. The pane shows about 3 lines of text, and as such it's kind of pointless. Thanks for looking at yours, however. Do you have any extensions installed that may be interfering with moving the frame? Try starting FF in Safe Mode. You should have an entry in your Start menu, if not here is my shortcut: "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -safe-mode -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 16:49:18 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:49:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document Message-ID: <20070128224918.79282.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks! I didn't even know you could lay out sections differently. It worked like a charm! Arthur ----- Original Message ---- From: Stuart McLachlan To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document You need to put the table in its own section (using "Insert | Break...") and set the page layout for that section to Landscape On 28 Jan 2007 at 13:29, artful at rogers.com wrote: > I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create > the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to > occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, > while the rest of the document is in portrait format. > > I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and > pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 16:52:56 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:52:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document Message-ID: <20070128225256.2083.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cool. For this particular article I don't need that, but I think I'll grab it for future use. Arthur ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:42:43 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document On 1/28/07, artful at rogers.com wrote: > I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, while the rest of the document is in portrait format. > > I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. > > Any ideas? As Stuart says, you need to put section breaks around the table, however if you want to keep the headers and footers in portrait mode, you will need to do a little more work. Assuming W2K or better, have a look at: http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=wrd&Number=194127&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post194127 There is an add-in template that will run the appropriate code to setup the page to use far-east settings to keep the headers/footers in place and make the text rotate by 90 deg Clockwise. If you want to skip the reading and just get the template, it is at: http://www.wopr.com/w3tfiles/10-194127-RotateDocAddIn.zip In the interest of full disclosure, yes I did write the add-in. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 28 19:04:31 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:04:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document In-Reply-To: <20070128212912.78836.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c74341$6ee009a0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> The only thing I've done like this is to insert report samples into a manual. I captured the reports (which were landscape format) and converted them to jpgs then inserted the jpg and rotated it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Landscape table in a portrait document I need to place a table in a Word document (I'm using Excel to create the table, then copying and pasting it). I would like the table to occupy a whole page in the document, and to be in landscape format, while the rest of the document is in portrait format. I tried saving the Excel document in landscape then copying and pasting the table into Word, but that didn't work. Any ideas? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007 5:02 PM From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 20:39:13 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:39:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question Message-ID: <20070129023913.31555.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have an ancient Compaq server in the basement, and I've forgotten the admin password. I would simply re-install the server software, but the machine won't boot from the CD, and I have no idea what the keystroke is to invoke the BIOS instead of the OS. Any suggestions, folks? TIA, Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jan 28 20:43:37 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:43:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question In-Reply-To: <20070129023913.31555.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006901c7434f$477adc60$657aa8c0@m6805> I assume you've tried del and esc. It is often one of those two. Also sometimes you have to tap it every half second until the time that it looks for the keystroke. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question I have an ancient Compaq server in the basement, and I've forgotten the admin password. I would simply re-install the server software, but the machine won't boot from the CD, and I have no idea what the keystroke is to invoke the BIOS instead of the OS. Any suggestions, folks? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_Patten at earthlink.net Sun Jan 28 20:53:06 2007 From: bill_Patten at earthlink.net (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:53:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question References: <20070129023913.31555.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c74350$9ab9eff0$6401a8c0@BPCS> Hi Art, I seem to remember some old Compaq's used f 10 and others used alt ctrl and esc. If that doesn't work try f2 and even f1 as well as what John suggested. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question I have an ancient Compaq server in the basement, and I've forgotten the admin password. I would simply re-install the server software, but the machine won't boot from the CD, and I have no idea what the keystroke is to invoke the BIOS instead of the OS. Any suggestions, folks? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 28 20:53:57 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:53:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question Message-ID: <20070129025357.36678.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks! I'll give those a try and see what happens! ----- Original Message ---- From: JWColby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:43:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question I assume you've tried del and esc. It is often one of those two. Also sometimes you have to tap it every half second until the time that it looks for the keystroke. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Mon Jan 29 01:11:20 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:11:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question References: <20070129025357.36678.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B00240DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local> At my best Knowledge, Compaq and (new)HP always have used F10. Hit F10 when the rectangular square appears on the bottom left or right from the screen. If I recall well, some, very old, Compaq machines use to have a diagnostic partition on the disk. If this gone, you can not enter setup and you need to use the diskettes. But this is only true for very very old machines Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens artful at rogers.com Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2007 3:54 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question Thanks! I'll give those a try and see what happens! ----- Original Message ---- From: JWColby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:43:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Compaq server question I assume you've tried del and esc. It is often one of those two. Also sometimes you have to tap it every half second until the time that it looks for the keystroke. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Mon Jan 29 23:16:32 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro Message-ID: <20070130051632.41922.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The owner of Barbaro ought to be euthanized. This is the most disgusting story I have read in some time. That sumbitch ought to be put down as a threat to the horse population. I realize this is neither a hardware nor a software issue. Let's call it wet-ware. Sorry, I just couldn't help but vent. That sumbitch ought to be put down -- the owner to be buried or discarded in a similar fashion to Barbaro. I need to go wretch. That sumbitch! To race Barbaro after an injury indicates serious abuse. He ought never to be permitted to own another horse, at the least! He ought to be imprisoned without parole. He probably thinks that his animals are his property. He probably thinks his children (assuming that any woman would be stupid enough to sleep with him) are his property too. Arthur From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Jan 30 00:08:56 2007 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:08:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro In-Reply-To: <20070130051632.41922.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018201c74435$204a8aa0$6401a8c0@Kathryn> Um, where did you get the idea he was raced after his injury? They just wanted to save their beloved horse and spent a lot of money to do so. I never heard anything to indicate that they ever planned to race him again. BTW, this probably should switch to the OT list. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > artful at rogers.com > Sent: 29 Jan 2007 9:17 pm > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro > > The owner of Barbaro ought to be euthanized. This is the most > disgusting story I have read in some time. That sumbitch > ought to be put down as a threat to the horse population. > > I realize this is neither a hardware nor a software issue. > Let's call it wet-ware. Sorry, I just couldn't help but vent. > That sumbitch ought to be put down -- the owner to be buried > or discarded in a similar fashion to Barbaro. I need to go > wretch. That sumbitch! To race Barbaro after an injury > indicates serious abuse. He ought never to be permitted to > own another horse, at the least! He ought to be imprisoned > without parole. > > He probably thinks that his animals are his property. He > probably thinks his children (assuming that any woman would > be stupid enough to sleep with him) are his property too. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Tue Jan 30 07:54:56 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:54:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro In-Reply-To: <20070130051632.41922.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c74476$41ef9b00$bfb82ad1@SUSANONE> Arthur; I live in central Kentucky -- heart of the bluegrass, where Barbaro lives. As far as I know, Barbaro never raced after the Preakness. He has been in recovery the entire time. During the healing process, one of his legs turned -- I'm not sure if it was a second healthy leg or the injured leg. I do know, they operated a second time and it didn't take. The horse probably was never going to stand on his own again. They decided he didn't have the temperament to live the rest of his life restrained. Barbaro is someone's "property" -- however, I can tell you that most folks in this area take their horses seriously. They live better than you or me. They receive better health care than you or me. Most owners here do not put a horse down lightly. If nothing else, they are good for breeding. I don't know why you think this horse was mistreated after his injury, but I can just about promise you -- if he was, it would be headliner news here. FWIW, I'm not a fan of horse racing, but Arthur -- I think you've been misinformed. Also, I'd like to gently suggest that this topic is inappropriate for this list. Perhaps you'd like to continue it on OT? I'm not a moderator, but I know how these threads can take on a life of their own. Susan H. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of artful at rogers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro The owner of Barbaro ought to be euthanized. This is the most disgusting story I have read in some time. That sumbitch ought to be put down as a threat to the horse population. I realize this is neither a hardware nor a software issue. Let's call it wet-ware. Sorry, I just couldn't help but vent. That sumbitch ought to be put down -- the owner to be buried or discarded in a similar fashion to Barbaro. I need to go wretch. That sumbitch! To race Barbaro after an injury indicates serious abuse. He ought never to be permitted to own another horse, at the least! He ought to be imprisoned without parole. He probably thinks that his animals are his property. He probably thinks his children (assuming that any woman would be stupid enough to sleep with him) are his property too. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.9/650 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 4:06 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 30 08:20:09 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:20:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro In-Reply-To: <018201c74435$204a8aa0$6401a8c0@Kathryn> Message-ID: <001f01c74479$bfb06ad0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> I thought he was being saved for his sperm. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Barbaro Um, where did you get the idea he was raced after his injury? They just wanted to save their beloved horse and spent a lot of money to do so. I never heard anything to indicate that they ever planned to race him again. BTW, this probably should switch to the OT list. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > artful at rogers.com > Sent: 29 Jan 2007 9:17 pm > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro > > The owner of Barbaro ought to be euthanized. This is the most > disgusting story I have read in some time. That sumbitch ought to be > put down as a threat to the horse population. > > I realize this is neither a hardware nor a software issue. > Let's call it wet-ware. Sorry, I just couldn't help but vent. > That sumbitch ought to be put down -- the owner to be buried or > discarded in a similar fashion to Barbaro. I need to go wretch. That > sumbitch! To race Barbaro after an injury indicates serious abuse. He > ought never to be permitted to own another horse, at the least! He > ought to be imprisoned without parole. > > He probably thinks that his animals are his property. He probably > thinks his children (assuming that any woman would be stupid enough to > sleep with him) are his property too. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 2:49 PM From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 08:33:18 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:33:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro In-Reply-To: <001f01c74479$bfb06ad0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> References: <018201c74435$204a8aa0$6401a8c0@Kathryn> <001f01c74479$bfb06ad0$0201a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: OK folks. This DEFINITELY belongs over on OT. Now move along :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 30 12:17:26 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:17:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barbaro In-Reply-To: <20070130051632.41922.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070130051632.41922.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45BF8BB6.10604@earthlink.net> What are you talking about? Where did you see a story that Barbaro was raced after his injury? P. artful at rogers.com wrote: > The owner of Barbaro ought to be euthanized. This is the most disgusting story I have read in some time. That sumbitch ought to be put down as a threat to the horse population. > > I realize this is neither a hardware nor a software issue. Let's call it wet-ware. Sorry, I just couldn't help but vent. That sumbitch ought to be put down -- the owner to be buried or discarded in a similar fashion to Barbaro. I need to go wretch. That sumbitch! To race Barbaro after an injury indicates serious abuse. He ought never to be permitted to own another horse, at the least! He ought to be imprisoned without parole. > > He probably thinks that his animals are his property. He probably thinks his children (assuming that any woman would be stupid enough to sleep with him) are his property too. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 From artful at rogers.com Tue Jan 30 13:38:22 2007 From: artful at rogers.com (artful at rogers.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool Linux Tricks Message-ID: <20070130193822.15133.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/07/3d-linux.html A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 31 07:08:17 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (JWColby) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:08:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What does this mean Message-ID: <002301c74538$e040b290$657aa8c0@m6805> Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: RE: PSM11014I - HSID - Boat Owners Count Request - WM/GA Sent: 1/31/2007 8:04 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: ' SomePerson249 at aol.com' on 1/31/2007 8:05 AM 550 5.7.1 SomePerson 249 at aol.com... we do not relay SomePerson @colbyconsulting.com What does this mean, and how do I discover who is kicking it back? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 31 10:03:57 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:03:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For you Oracle users Message-ID: <014b01c74551$6a5a9fa0$6502a8c0@ScuzzPaq> A blog concerning an Oracle rootkit attack: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=6 &tag=nl.e539