From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 13:34:51 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:34:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Message-ID: <39cb22f30706031134x5ab72c94r6a25813556c9197a@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, I've used Norton Ghost for a long time as part of Norton SystemWorks. I use it to do a disk to disk backup of my entire hard disk. I recently upgraded to the latest version of SystemWorks. Lo! and behold! Ghost is no longer included with it! So I made a bootable diskette with Ghost on it from my wife's copy of SystemWorks 2003 and I've been using that. However, every time I run Ghost now I have trouble getting my computer going again. The main behavior of the system is that it'll get past the Windows XP progress bar thingie and up comes the blue-gray background, just before the login form appears. At that point, before the login form appears the system either reboots or shuts down. The past several times this has happened I've pretty much let it cycle through umpteen reboots until, finally, it stops rebooting or shutting itself off and allows me to log in. Then everything's hunky-dory until I run Ghost again. Not this time. Now I see a new error that the file C:\Windows\System32\Config\System is either missing or corrupt and that I should try the Repair option from the Windows XP installation disk. So I put in the XP install disk and everything looks like it's going along nicely; but when the main installation menu appears the system shuts itself off. I've tried this numerous times with the same result. I must be insane then, to expect that something different will happen if I just start it over again, eh? I have a 2002 version of Russinovich's ERD Commander. It gets ALMOST to the point where it asks me which hard disk to boot from when the system shuts down. I've run Spinrite 6 to no effect. I only used level 2, but I think I'll try level 4 while I go see Shrek the Third. That'll take 5 or 6 hours to complete. Right now I'm running the Ghost Check function on my C: drive.... Does this ring any bells with anyone? -- Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 15:40:01 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706031134x5ab72c94r6a25813556c9197a@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30706031134x5ab72c94r6a25813556c9197a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which to plant said file? The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the Ghost file to safety). This sounds: a) like a recursive problem; b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my compulsive need to install more software and create new data. Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG problem. A. On 6/3/07, Steve Erbach wrote: > > Dear Group, > > I've used Norton Ghost for a long time as part of Norton SystemWorks. > I use it to do a disk to disk backup of my entire hard disk. > > I recently upgraded to the latest version of SystemWorks. Lo! and > behold! Ghost is no longer included with it! > > So I made a bootable diskette with Ghost on it from my wife's copy of > SystemWorks 2003 and I've been using that. > > However, every time I run Ghost now I have trouble getting my computer > going again. The main behavior of the system is that it'll get past > the Windows XP progress bar thingie and up comes the blue-gray > background, just before the login form appears. At that point, before > the login form appears the system either reboots or shuts down. > > The past several times this has happened I've pretty much let it cycle > through umpteen reboots until, finally, it stops rebooting or shutting > itself off and allows me to log in. Then everything's hunky-dory > until I run Ghost again. > > Not this time. Now I see a new error that the file > C:\Windows\System32\Config\System is either missing or corrupt and > that I should try the Repair option from the Windows XP installation > disk. > > So I put in the XP install disk and everything looks like it's going > along nicely; but when the main installation menu appears the system > shuts itself off. I've tried this numerous times with the same > result. I must be insane then, to expect that something different will > happen if I just start it over again, eh? > > I have a 2002 version of Russinovich's ERD Commander. It gets ALMOST > to the point where it asks me which hard disk to boot from when the > system shuts down. > > I've run Spinrite 6 to no effect. I only used level 2, but I think > I'll try level 4 while I go see Shrek the Third. That'll take 5 or 6 > hours to complete. Right now I'm running the Ghost Check function on > my C: drive.... > > Does this ring any bells with anyone? > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 3 15:53:06 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:53:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy In-Reply-To: <004801c7a2ee$e7f88ad0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <000b01c7a2ce$31b92b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <004801c7a2ee$e7f88ad0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000001c7a621$2ff47530$0200a8c0@jt2b> Right, I ran Counter Spy first this week, before any of the other anti-spyware scans that I do... It found and removed 12 files, but I'm running Ad-Aware now, and it's found another 16, and hasn't finished yet... I'm thinking that you can't leave it all to one (or maybe even two) programs to clean your pc for you. I think they all look at different areas of your pc, and clean up different things. So I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot, and Counter Spy, AND Zone Alarm (cos that found some too). Ah well :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 30 May 2007 20:16 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy The X-Cleaner http://www.spywareinfo.com/xscan.php and AVG online Anti-Spy scanner: http://www.ewido.net/en/onlinescan/ are good double checkers for CounterSpy. They don't have to be installed and clean what they find (unlike many "free" scanners). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy I'm getting the impression that Counter Spy is the pack leader at the moment, based on our collective experience. I tried it - it found a couple of innocuous things. But I didn't compare to Adaware or Spybot. I sure would like to be able to run one program instead of three or four. I'm on the 15 day trial. Looks like I may have to go for it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:04 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Hi Jon It found three nasties: Trojan.Unclassified.gen Look2Me Inlook Express and one harmless: Weatherbug Spybot S&D found none of these. The trial license for TrojanHunter has expired. Wonder what it would have found; it used to find "anything" but I haven't used it for a while. /gustav >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 30-05-2007 15:00 >>> Dan I've used: Spybot 1.4 Ad-Aware 1.06 Zonealarm Pro (With Anti-Spyware) Mischel Trojan Hunter 4.2 Spy Sweeper Panda Online ActiveScan Pro AVG Pro Scared you yet? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Jon & Lembit, What were you using previously that did not find the keylogger or the Trojan downloaders? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Yeah, it found some trojan downloaders on mine, which was kinda scary! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:lembit.dbamail at t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy I downloaded and installed it. It found WinControl, a Keylogger! Thanks a lot, Jon. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Ok Jon, I bought it on your recommendation. It better be good! LOL. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy I've just downloaded and installed Counter Spy - ?15 for 3 years worth of updates was too silly a price to pass up. This evening, I'd run Spybot 1.4, Ad-Aware 1.06, ZoneAlarm's AS tool and diskclean before I ran Counter Spy. it picked up 16 items that needed treating. It's good - runs nice and small in the background, even on my E6600 Core 2 Duo with 2gb RAM ;-) I'm kinda worried as to how long some of these things have been on my system though, although I've only had this new build installed for just over a month, it picked up things in the windows folder on the old hard drive. who knows what's been allowed to happen? Scary stuff! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Jun 3 16:16:47 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:16:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ghost - Was RE: Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30706031134x5ab72c94r6a25813556c9197a@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c7a624$7f5663b0$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Arthur, I use Ghost 10 and Acronis True Image on my system. Ghost will compress it's images. My C: partition is 40GB and about 25BG is being used. My Ghost images that I back off to DVD using high compression yields a backup that takes about 11.4GB of disk space. It can use no compression or about 3-4 different compression levels. I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at with the 3 disks, but I regularly back up several partitions to other drives. I am even able to create a backup that is stored on another machine on the network. Ghost (at least version 9+) can create rolling backups. That is it can be set up to only keep x generations of backups. So every Sunday night, a new backup is started. The rest of the week, M-Sat, it creates incremental backups of my C: partition. Then every Wednesday, I create a full backup. One Wednesday, I leave the backup on my machine, the next Wednesday, I back off the files to DVD. This way, I can get to any day for the past two weeks and I have archival backups. I've restored the system many times after an install screws up my system. I use Acronis because I can back up specific directories/files. I use this to do daily backups of my dev folders and my document folders. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which to plant said file? The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the Ghost file to safety). This sounds: a) like a recursive problem; b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my compulsive need to install more software and create new data. Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG problem. A. On 6/3/07, Steve Erbach wrote: > > Dear Group, > > I've used Norton Ghost for a long time as part of Norton SystemWorks. > I use it to do a disk to disk backup of my entire hard disk. > > I recently upgraded to the latest version of SystemWorks. Lo! and > behold! Ghost is no longer included with it! > > So I made a bootable diskette with Ghost on it from my wife's copy of > SystemWorks 2003 and I've been using that. > > However, every time I run Ghost now I have trouble getting my computer > going again. The main behavior of the system is that it'll get past > the Windows XP progress bar thingie and up comes the blue-gray > background, just before the login form appears. At that point, before > the login form appears the system either reboots or shuts down. > > The past several times this has happened I've pretty much let it cycle > through umpteen reboots until, finally, it stops rebooting or shutting > itself off and allows me to log in. Then everything's hunky-dory > until I run Ghost again. > > Not this time. Now I see a new error that the file > C:\Windows\System32\Config\System is either missing or corrupt and > that I should try the Repair option from the Windows XP installation > disk. > > So I put in the XP install disk and everything looks like it's going > along nicely; but when the main installation menu appears the system > shuts itself off. I've tried this numerous times with the same > result. I must be insane then, to expect that something different will > happen if I just start it over again, eh? > > I have a 2002 version of Russinovich's ERD Commander. It gets ALMOST > to the point where it asks me which hard disk to boot from when the > system shuts down. > > I've run Spinrite 6 to no effect. I only used level 2, but I think > I'll try level 4 while I go see Shrek the Third. That'll take 5 or 6 > hours to complete. Right now I'm running the Ghost Check function on > my C: drive.... > > Does this ring any bells with anyone? > > -- > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jun 3 22:05:37 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:05:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070604030538.79525BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Arthur, Just go for it. For about $500 you can get a dedicated raid controller that will handle 8 SATA 2 hard drives. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004 You can now purchase 750g hard drives for ~$240. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148134 So for somewhere in the neighborhood of $750 you have the start of a kickass raid system. That is EXPANDABLE. Now add two more of these same drives in a few months. Dedicate one to the RAID5 redundancy, and another to data storage. Now any disk can fail without endangering your data. A few months later add another, and another and another. Eventually dedicate another drive to raid 6. You now have a raid array where any TWO disks can fail without endangering your data. You can end up with 6 x 700 (real) or 4.2 terabytes of raid 6 storage. That should handle your issues with saving your backed up images for quite awhile I would think. BTW, that controller card is wicked fast, real life read data streaming of >400 mbyte / second when fully implemented. Reads can stream data off of all available drives so the read speed is cumulative, as you add more disks, the streaming read rises. Writes OTOH are at slightly less than a single drive. This kind of performance is great for a data warehouse kind of system where data rarely changes. I have two of these systems. One has 8x 320 drives (300 real) in Raid 6 with 6 of those drives actually available for storage. I went with 320s for the first set because at that time (about a year ago) that was the sweet spot. The second one I am still building out. It currently has 6x 500gb drives (~470 real) in raid 5 with 5 drives available for storage, and when I add the final two drives one will go to raid 6 and the other for storage so I will have 6 x 470g of storage. ATM 500g is the sweet spot, but the 750g drives are dropping like a rock so they will hit the sweet spot within a few months I think. The second system I actually built from the ground up using the raid controller such that it actually boots off the raid, with a 200 gb partition for the boot disk. The rest of the space is available for storage This fall I will probably build a system with two quad core processors on a single motherboard, and for that system I will build out a raid system around the 750gb disks, booting off the raid array like I do with the second system I built. Yes, I know that it is not cheap to get in to, but the redundancy is great peace of mind, and it is expandable so that you can do it a piece at a time. The nice thing about a dedicated controller is that it is portable. If the system fails, the whole shootin match can just be dropped into another system. With a raid based on a motherboard, this won't work unless you get another of the exact same board. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which to plant said file? The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the Ghost file to safety). This sounds: a) like a recursive problem; b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my compulsive need to install more software and create new data. Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG problem. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 05:19:04 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:19:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604030538.79525BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> <20070604030538.79525BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706040319r15b11a37ie6a7d98340ed6d94@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, JC. I would love that feeling of security. At the moment I just copy My Documents to another machine, but as we know there's a lot more at stake than My Documents. A. On 6/3/07, jwcolby wrote: > > Arthur, > > Just go for it. For about $500 you can get a dedicated raid controller > that > will handle 8 SATA 2 hard drives. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004 > > > You can now purchase 750g hard drives for ~$240. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148134 > > So for somewhere in the neighborhood of $750 you have the start of a > kickass > raid system. That is EXPANDABLE. > > > Now add two more of these same drives in a few months. Dedicate one to > the > RAID5 redundancy, and another to data storage. Now any disk can fail > without endangering your data. > > A few months later add another, and another and another. Eventually > dedicate another drive to raid 6. You now have a raid array where any TWO > disks can fail without endangering your data. > > You can end up with 6 x 700 (real) or 4.2 terabytes of raid 6 > storage. That > should handle your issues with saving your backed up images for quite > awhile > I would think. > > BTW, that controller card is wicked fast, real life read data streaming of > >400 mbyte / second when fully implemented. Reads can stream data off of > all available drives so the read speed is cumulative, as you add more > disks, > the streaming read rises. Writes OTOH are at slightly less than a single > drive. This kind of performance is great for a data warehouse kind of > system where data rarely changes. > > I have two of these systems. One has 8x 320 drives (300 real) in Raid 6 > with 6 of those drives actually available for storage. I went with 320s > for > the first set because at that time (about a year ago) that was the sweet > spot. > > The second one I am still building out. It currently has 6x 500gb drives > (~470 real) in raid 5 with 5 drives available for storage, and when I add > the final two drives one will go to raid 6 and the other for storage so I > will have 6 x 470g of storage. ATM 500g is the sweet spot, but the 750g > drives are dropping like a rock so they will hit the sweet spot within a > few > months I think. > > The second system I actually built from the ground up using the raid > controller such that it actually boots off the raid, with a 200 gb > partition > for the boot disk. The rest of the space is available for storage > > This fall I will probably build a system with two quad core processors on > a > single motherboard, and for that system I will build out a raid system > around the 750gb disks, booting off the raid array like I do with the > second > system I built. > > Yes, I know that it is not cheap to get in to, but the redundancy is great > peace of mind, and it is expandable so that you can do it a piece at a > time. > The nice thing about a dedicated controller is that it is portable. If > the > system fails, the whole shootin match can just be dropped into another > system. With a raid based on a motherboard, this won't work unless you > get > another of the exact same board. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you > have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it > included > in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: > > Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied > when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon > which > to plant said file? > > The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my > HP > computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only > partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over > anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even > though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to > spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, > SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can > reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. > > So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the > disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no > alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of > interest. > Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I > need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the > Ghost file to safety). > > This sounds: > a) like a recursive problem; > b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back > up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see > 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I > never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. > Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my > compulsive need to install more software and create new data. > > Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then > suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then > impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. > > Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the > FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a > Blue-Ray. > Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG > problem. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 05:28:11 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:28:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706040319r15b11a37ie6a7d98340ed6d94@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> <20070604030538.79525BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> <29f585dd0706040319r15b11a37ie6a7d98340ed6d94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706040328n1792acb4y3205e0b47fa3f14e@mail.gmail.com> JC: On reading the reviews for the card you recommend, I'm uneasy about the return policy etc. So I looked at some of the others newegg.com has. My ambitions (and wallet) are more modest than yours. The card and support/return policy that caught my eye was the Promise card ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102085). In the past I have had hardware from Promise and was very satisfied. Thanks for the pointer to newegg. On 6/3/07, jwcolby wrote: > > > > Arthur, > > > > Just go for it. For about $500 you can get a dedicated raid controller > > that > > will handle 8 SATA 2 hard drives. > > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004 > > > > > > You can now purchase 750g hard drives for ~$240. > > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148134 > > > > So for somewhere in the neighborhood of $750 you have the start of a > > kickass > > raid system. That is EXPANDABLE. > > > > > > Now add two more of these same drives in a few months. Dedicate one to > > the > > RAID5 redundancy, and another to data storage. Now any disk can fail > > without endangering your data. > > > > A few months later add another, and another and another. Eventually > > dedicate another drive to raid 6. You now have a raid array where any > > TWO > > disks can fail without endangering your data. > > > > You can end up with 6 x 700 (real) or 4.2 terabytes of raid 6 > > storage. That > > should handle your issues with saving your backed up images for quite > > awhile > > I would think. > > > > BTW, that controller card is wicked fast, real life read data streaming > > of > > >400 mbyte / second when fully implemented. Reads can stream data off > > of > > all available drives so the read speed is cumulative, as you add more > > disks, > > the streaming read rises. Writes OTOH are at slightly less than a > > single > > drive. This kind of performance is great for a data warehouse kind of > > system where data rarely changes. > > > > I have two of these systems. One has 8x 320 drives (300 real) in Raid 6 > > > > with 6 of those drives actually available for storage. I went with 320s > > for > > the first set because at that time (about a year ago) that was the sweet > > spot. > > > > The second one I am still building out. It currently has 6x 500gb > > drives > > (~470 real) in raid 5 with 5 drives available for storage, and when I > > add > > the final two drives one will go to raid 6 and the other for storage so > > I > > will have 6 x 470g of storage. ATM 500g is the sweet spot, but the > > 750g > > drives are dropping like a rock so they will hit the sweet spot within a > > few > > months I think. > > > > The second system I actually built from the ground up using the raid > > controller such that it actually boots off the raid, with a 200 gb > > partition > > for the boot disk. The rest of the space is available for storage > > > > This fall I will probably build a system with two quad core processors > > on a > > single motherboard, and for that system I will build out a raid system > > around the 750gb disks, booting off the raid array like I do with the > > second > > system I built. > > > > Yes, I know that it is not cheap to get in to, but the redundancy is > > great > > peace of mind, and it is expandable so that you can do it a piece at a > > time. > > The nice thing about a dedicated controller is that it is portable. If > > the > > system fails, the whole shootin match can just be dropped into another > > system. With a raid based on a motherboard, this won't work unless you > > get > > another of the exact same board. > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > > > The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you > > have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it > > included > > in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: > > > > Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is > > occupied > > when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon > > which > > to plant said file? > > > > The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with > > my HP > > computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a > > read-only > > partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over > > anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even > > though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have > > to > > spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, > > SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET , SQL 2005 and so on. > > So even though I can > > reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. > > > > So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the > > disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no > > alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of > > interest. > > Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I > > need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the > > Ghost file to safety). > > > > This sounds: > > a) like a recursive problem; > > b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to > > back > > up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see > > 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. > > I > > never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. > > Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my > > compulsive need to install more software and create new data. > > > > Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then > > suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then > > impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. > > > > Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the > > FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a > > Blue-Ray. > > Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG > > problem. > > > > A. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 07:17:34 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:17:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706040328n1792acb4y3205e0b47fa3f14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070604121735.DBC35C3E6@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> The promise card is good, just not great. Slower in all aspects by quite a bit. That level card doesn't have the co-processor so the CPU is being used for working the raid. Another thing I like about the Areca is that it is one of the few that offers raid 6. As for support, I can't really address that issue. I think Promise is a bigger company which probably translates to better support. I like Newegg because there are often a lot of user feedback reports so you can see other folks experiences. I hear you about the wallet! If you just don't have it, then you look for something else. Mine is paid for by my consulting and I happen to need huge arrays. That particular Promise card is limited to 4 drives which means 3 for data and one for the Raid 5 support. With 750 gb drives coming into the range where you can afford them, that may be plenty for a long time. 2.1 terabytes is a lot of storage, and with raid protection that makes it a lot safer than just having a bunch of disks out there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC JC: On reading the reviews for the card you recommend, I'm uneasy about the return policy etc. So I looked at some of the others newegg.com has. My ambitions (and wallet) are more modest than yours. The card and support/return policy that caught my eye was the Promise card ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102085). In the past I have had hardware from Promise and was very satisfied. Thanks for the pointer to newegg. From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 08:28:02 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:28:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30706031134x5ab72c94r6a25813556c9197a@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706040628y3554a67fncb65232db9a570f6@mail.gmail.com> Arthur, The way that I have used Ghost is a disk-to-disk clone; I've never created a Ghost image file, as such, just a straight copy of everything. That means that the second (Ghosted) drive is directly accessible from Explorer. I have an 80 GB drive that's about 2/3 full and it only takes an hour or so to clone the drive. It's just this flaky behavior after the clone is complete has now gone beyond the pale. I'm running a level 4 Spinrite scan now; started at 7:30 this morning and should be complete by 9:00 pm tonight. Last night the "missing or corrupt" System file message no longer appeared, but the system reboots faster now. The blue XP progress bar only has a chance to do 1-1/2 little cycles and the system reboots. I WAS able to start up ERD Commander 2002 and examine the drive. I'm just not sure what to do. Should I copy the Ghosted System (.exe, I think...the error message doesn't make it clear WHICH System file was corrupt or missing) file from my D: Ghost drive over to C:? I was also able to start the Windows XP install disk and I went into the Recovery console...but, again, I'm not sure what to do. So I fall back on making sure that my drive integrity is as good as I can determine with the tools I have. Don't know what you think of Gibson, but I like his stuff. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/3/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you > have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included > in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: > > Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied > when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which > to plant said file? > > The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP > computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a > read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start > over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even > though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to > spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, > SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can > reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. > > So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the > disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no > alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. > Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I > need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the > Ghost file to safety). > > This sounds: > a) like a recursive problem; > b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back > up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see > 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I > never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. > Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my > compulsive need to install more software and create new data. > > Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then > suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then > impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. > > Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the > FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. > Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG > problem. > > A. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 08:36:32 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:36:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706040628y3554a67fncb65232db9a570f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070604133634.65049BE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >Don't know what you think of Gibson, but I like his stuff. LOL, it's amazing that everyone feels required to preface this with "I don't know what you think of Gibson...". I think he's a nut, and I like his stuff too. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Arthur, The way that I have used Ghost is a disk-to-disk clone; I've never created a Ghost image file, as such, just a straight copy of everything. That means that the second (Ghosted) drive is directly accessible from Explorer. I have an 80 GB drive that's about 2/3 full and it only takes an hour or so to clone the drive. It's just this flaky behavior after the clone is complete has now gone beyond the pale. I'm running a level 4 Spinrite scan now; started at 7:30 this morning and should be complete by 9:00 pm tonight. Last night the "missing or corrupt" System file message no longer appeared, but the system reboots faster now. The blue XP progress bar only has a chance to do 1-1/2 little cycles and the system reboots. I WAS able to start up ERD Commander 2002 and examine the drive. I'm just not sure what to do. Should I copy the Ghosted System (.exe, I think...the error message doesn't make it clear WHICH System file was corrupt or missing) file from my D: Ghost drive over to C:? I was also able to start the Windows XP install disk and I went into the Recovery console...but, again, I'm not sure what to do. So I fall back on making sure that my drive integrity is as good as I can determine with the tools I have. Don't know what you think of Gibson, but I like his stuff. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 08:41:14 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:41:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070604134115.EF732C437@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Arthur, I think the first thing to do is determine what you want installed and then install the OS and all of those programs, THEN ghost. If you ever need to restore all of the programs are preinstalled. After installing all of my required programs my laptop sits at about 40gb. That includes everything though from Spy sweeper AV and Comodo firewall, to Adobe, VNC, UltaEdit and 3DFTP to Office 2003, Streets and Trips, Visual Studio 2005 and SQL Server 2005. It is amazing how quickly it all adds up, and how long it takes to install it from scratch. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which to plant said file? The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the Ghost file to safety). This sounds: a) like a recursive problem; b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my compulsive need to install more software and create new data. Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG problem. A. From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 10:11:51 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:11:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604133634.65049BE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706040628y3554a67fncb65232db9a570f6@mail.gmail.com> <20070604133634.65049BE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706040811r4d55ea5dl880700125be5dfb9@mail.gmail.com> John, He's a classic perfectionist, though, oddly, he doesn't seem to have a sense of humor. I've known plenty of perfectionists that were very charming. Gibson can write well and has very interesting things to say...just not somebody I turn to for a pleasantry, a bon mot, or a bit of persiflage. He's on a separate plane of existence from the rest of us. Maybe it's because he writes in assembly language exclusively... I think I'll post this question in a couple other places, too. Maybe the Symantec web site? I've never had occasion to try any of its forums. About time, I suppose, since this problem only appears after I run a Ghost cloning process. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > >Don't know what you think of Gibson, but I like his stuff. > > LOL, it's amazing that everyone feels required to preface this with "I don't > know what you think of Gibson...". > > I think he's a nut, and I like his stuff too. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:28 AM > > Arthur, > > The way that I have used Ghost is a disk-to-disk clone; I've never created a > Ghost image file, as such, just a straight copy of everything. That means > that the second (Ghosted) drive is directly accessible from Explorer. I > have an 80 GB drive that's about 2/3 full and it only takes an hour or so to > clone the drive. It's just this flaky behavior after the clone is complete > has now gone beyond the pale. > > I'm running a level 4 Spinrite scan now; started at 7:30 this morning and > should be complete by 9:00 pm tonight. > > Last night the "missing or corrupt" System file message no longer appeared, > but the system reboots faster now. The blue XP progress bar only has a > chance to do 1-1/2 little cycles and the system reboots. > > I WAS able to start up ERD Commander 2002 and examine the drive. I'm just > not sure what to do. Should I copy the Ghosted System (.exe, I think...the > error message doesn't make it clear WHICH System file was corrupt or > missing) file from my D: Ghost drive over to C:? > > I was also able to start the Windows XP install disk and I went into the > Recovery console...but, again, I'm not sure what to do. So I fall back on > making sure that my drive integrity is as good as I can determine with the > tools I have. Don't know what you think of Gibson, but I like his stuff. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 12:18:00 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:18:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604134115.EF732C437@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <29f585dd0706031340o7ed4ed61n4d4ddc911c2d7fc3@mail.gmail.com> <20070604134115.EF732C437@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706041018w64d752c6r171e4db5cbdc0e3@mail.gmail.com> John and Arthur, The system admin here at work thinks that my registry needs to be rebuilt from the registry hive. I'm first going to try to start with the Last Known Good Configuration from the Windows XP install disk tonight. If that doesn't work, I'll pull the drive and bring it to work for him to do his magic on it. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > Arthur, > > I think the first thing to do is determine what you want installed and then > install the OS and all of those programs, THEN ghost. If you ever need to > restore all of the programs are preinstalled. > > After installing all of my required programs my laptop sits at about 40gb. > That includes everything though from Spy sweeper AV and Comodo firewall, to > Adobe, VNC, UltaEdit and 3DFTP to Office 2003, Streets and Trips, Visual > Studio 2005 and SQL Server 2005. > > It is amazing how quickly it all adds up, and how long it takes to install > it from scratch. > > John W. Colby From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 12:26:18 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:26:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706041018w64d752c6r171e4db5cbdc0e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070604172619.879F1BBFC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I'll tell you, I spend more time on stuff like this, which is exactly why I am trying to get my house in order. A good RAID backup platform and a good backup / imaging program will go a long way. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John and Arthur, The system admin here at work thinks that my registry needs to be rebuilt from the registry hive. I'm first going to try to start with the Last Known Good Configuration from the Windows XP install disk tonight. If that doesn't work, I'll pull the drive and bring it to work for him to do his magic on it. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > Arthur, > > I think the first thing to do is determine what you want installed and > then install the OS and all of those programs, THEN ghost. If you > ever need to restore all of the programs are preinstalled. > > After installing all of my required programs my laptop sits at about 40gb. > That includes everything though from Spy sweeper AV and Comodo > firewall, to Adobe, VNC, UltaEdit and 3DFTP to Office 2003, Streets > and Trips, Visual Studio 2005 and SQL Server 2005. > > It is amazing how quickly it all adds up, and how long it takes to > install it from scratch. > > John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 4 13:13:13 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:13:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604030538.79525BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJ4002ZPIETFFV4@l-daemon> Hi John: Can you not just use the SATA controller off the motherboard? All the new boards (GigaByte) come with at least 2 SATA connections. I have hooked up a 5 drive array off one connection and striped them and then added another 2 off the second connection for the OS drives, for a client. The mother board minus the RAM came to $276.00CAN, 1.7GHz, LAN card, Video Card and Sound Card built in plus RAID software. The performance, though not stellar is quite acceptable. That is a good price for the drives though. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Arthur, Just go for it. For about $500 you can get a dedicated raid controller that will handle 8 SATA 2 hard drives. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004 You can now purchase 750g hard drives for ~$240. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148134 So for somewhere in the neighborhood of $750 you have the start of a kickass raid system. That is EXPANDABLE. Now add two more of these same drives in a few months. Dedicate one to the RAID5 redundancy, and another to data storage. Now any disk can fail without endangering your data. A few months later add another, and another and another. Eventually dedicate another drive to raid 6. You now have a raid array where any TWO disks can fail without endangering your data. You can end up with 6 x 700 (real) or 4.2 terabytes of raid 6 storage. That should handle your issues with saving your backed up images for quite awhile I would think. BTW, that controller card is wicked fast, real life read data streaming of >400 mbyte / second when fully implemented. Reads can stream data off of all available drives so the read speed is cumulative, as you add more disks, the streaming read rises. Writes OTOH are at slightly less than a single drive. This kind of performance is great for a data warehouse kind of system where data rarely changes. I have two of these systems. One has 8x 320 drives (300 real) in Raid 6 with 6 of those drives actually available for storage. I went with 320s for the first set because at that time (about a year ago) that was the sweet spot. The second one I am still building out. It currently has 6x 500gb drives (~470 real) in raid 5 with 5 drives available for storage, and when I add the final two drives one will go to raid 6 and the other for storage so I will have 6 x 470g of storage. ATM 500g is the sweet spot, but the 750g drives are dropping like a rock so they will hit the sweet spot within a few months I think. The second system I actually built from the ground up using the raid controller such that it actually boots off the raid, with a 200 gb partition for the boot disk. The rest of the space is available for storage This fall I will probably build a system with two quad core processors on a single motherboard, and for that system I will build out a raid system around the 750gb disks, booting off the raid array like I do with the second system I built. Yes, I know that it is not cheap to get in to, but the redundancy is great peace of mind, and it is expandable so that you can do it a piece at a time. The nice thing about a dedicated controller is that it is portable. If the system fails, the whole shootin match can just be dropped into another system. With a raid based on a motherboard, this won't work unless you get another of the exact same board. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC The following is no help at all to your current situation, but since you have used Ghost for a while, and I never have, even though I had it included in a previous version of Norton, I thought I would ask: Let's say your current boot drive has 250GB capacity and 150GB is occupied when you Ghost. How big is the Ghost file? Do you need another HD upon which to plant said file? The reason I ask is this: a bare-bones installation already comes with my HP computer. (This is achieved by partititioning the HD, creating a read-only partition with the initial image on it, then allowing you to start over anytme by re-initializing drive c: from the r-o drive d:. However, even though I love this ability, it still means after re-initializing I have to spend the better part of a day reinstalling Office, Office Developer, SP1...n, NoteTab, winRAR, VS.NET, SQL 2005 and so on. So even though I can reinit the original, I still lose a day implanting the rest. So let's assume that the total install that satisfies me is > 50% of the disk. Does Ghost compress it? Even if it does, I think there is no alternative but a pair of disks of whatever size in the machine of interest. Ok. Given that if I'm talking about a box with a 500GB disk, therefore I need a pair, in fact three (the third on another box, so I can copy the Ghost file to safety). This sounds: a) like a recursive problem; b) reminiscent of the days of FastBack, when I needed 50 3.5 disks to back up my HD (currently the number of dual-layer DVDs is smaller, let's see 250GB / 4.7 GB = 50 + single-layer DVDs. That assumes the drive is full. I never let a drive get even 50% before I think it's time for another. Fortunately prices plummet in relatively direct proportion with my compulsive need to install more software and create new data. Either way, it seems that backup has been momentarily possible and then suddenly impossible, then possible, then impossible, then possible, then impossible (repeat until exhausted). Hofstadter, so to speak. Even the alleged massive storage of Blue-Ray apparently leaves us in the FastBack situation of multiple disks. 200GB to back up, 50GB on a Blue-Ray. Back in the FastBack situation. If disk 3 has a problem, I have a BIG problem. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 13:28:36 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:28:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <0JJ4002ZPIETFFV4@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070604182837.922D4BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Jim, Yes, you can do that. The raid 5 performance for the motherboards I was using was abysmal, down around 5 mbytes / sec write and 40 mbytes / sec read. And these were recent motherboards at the time I selected them (ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131011 With the dedicated raid controller with co-processor, the write speeds are up around 50 mb / sec and reads are around 400 mbytes / sec. It happens that I am building a SQL Server machine specifically. Thus the motherboard native timings simply did not work for me. I have another older machine which I set up to do the address validation software. I needed far higher speeds than was available at the motherboard level, specifically for reading quite large (1.5 gb) data files. I ended up buying a "RAMDISK" board and installing 3 gb of old ram I had hanging around. That gave me about 120 mbytes / sec throughput, read or write (only needed the read in this case). That speedup made an almost direct 1 to 1 difference in my application's speed, i.e. it was disk read bound. A normal disk drive reads about 50-60 mbytes / sec. The RAM disk doubled my throughput. Given that I am processing 50 and 100 gigabyte files, wringing the last ounce of speed is necessary. For simple backups however, a motherboard based solution is ok. Notice that I still don't endorse it simply because the MB becomes the weak link. If it dies for some reason, the raid array is trash unless you can get an identical motherboard. Once you move to a dedicated raid controller, if the MB dies you can move the raid controller to another machine and be back up and running fairly quickly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John: Can you not just use the SATA controller off the motherboard? All the new boards (GigaByte) come with at least 2 SATA connections. I have hooked up a 5 drive array off one connection and striped them and then added another 2 off the second connection for the OS drives, for a client. The mother board minus the RAM came to $276.00CAN, 1.7GHz, LAN card, Video Card and Sound Card built in plus RAID software. The performance, though not stellar is quite acceptable. That is a good price for the drives though. Jim From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 14:12:18 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:12:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604182837.922D4BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <0JJ4002ZPIETFFV4@l-daemon> <20070604182837.922D4BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: And if the RAID controller itself dies?? ;-) I'd guess, the first thing you would do is SCREAM VERY LOUDLY........ ;-) GK On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > Once you move to a dedicated raid controller, if the > MB dies you can move the raid controller to another machine and be back up > and running fairly quickly. >John W. Colby >Colby Consulting >www.ColbyConsulting.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 4 14:36:31 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:36:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604182837.922D4BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJ4001GSM9N1DE0@l-daemon> John: Well that makes good sense. I will give any future client the option and they may not 'cheap-out'. While we are on the subject of Raids, I would like to pass along a warning to all the techs: I will tag your post and maybe use a similar configuration for a client in the future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, Yes, you can do that. The raid 5 performance for the motherboards I was using was abysmal, down around 5 mbytes / sec write and 40 mbytes / sec read. And these were recent motherboards at the time I selected them (ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131011 With the dedicated raid controller with co-processor, the write speeds are up around 50 mb / sec and reads are around 400 mbytes / sec. It happens that I am building a SQL Server machine specifically. Thus the motherboard native timings simply did not work for me. I have another older machine which I set up to do the address validation software. I needed far higher speeds than was available at the motherboard level, specifically for reading quite large (1.5 gb) data files. I ended up buying a "RAMDISK" board and installing 3 gb of old ram I had hanging around. That gave me about 120 mbytes / sec throughput, read or write (only needed the read in this case). That speedup made an almost direct 1 to 1 difference in my application's speed, i.e. it was disk read bound. A normal disk drive reads about 50-60 mbytes / sec. The RAM disk doubled my throughput. Given that I am processing 50 and 100 gigabyte files, wringing the last ounce of speed is necessary. For simple backups however, a motherboard based solution is ok. Notice that I still don't endorse it simply because the MB becomes the weak link. If it dies for some reason, the raid array is trash unless you can get an identical motherboard. Once you move to a dedicated raid controller, if the MB dies you can move the raid controller to another machine and be back up and running fairly quickly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John: Can you not just use the SATA controller off the motherboard? All the new boards (GigaByte) come with at least 2 SATA connections. I have hooked up a 5 drive array off one connection and striped them and then added another 2 off the second connection for the OS drives, for a client. The mother board minus the RAM came to $276.00CAN, 1.7GHz, LAN card, Video Card and Sound Card built in plus RAID software. The performance, though not stellar is quite acceptable. That is a good price for the drives though. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 14:38:16 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:38:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070604193818.0E644BCD7@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >And if the RAID controller itself dies?? Well, raid controllers have a much longer product life than motherboards. If the motherboard dies more than a year or two from product launch you go to eBay for a used one, NOT wanting to buy a used motherboard, NOT wanting to buy even that old generation of stuff, hoping you can find the right memory and processors if any that died with it, etc. The next machine I build will not have the same motherboard, or even the same processor, but it will have the same raid controller. The raid system is completely self contained, and if it came to that I could yank it out and ship it across country and you could install it and use the data on my raid array. So if the raid controller dies I buy another identical raid controller. I already have two identical raid controllers in house. The Areca controller is still top of the line two years after I bought the first one, while the motherboard is approaching end of retail lifetime, and I would never buy another one intentionally for a new system. I would of course scream very loudly because of the price for this specific controller, but I could quite easily recover my data. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC And if the RAID controller itself dies?? ;-) I'd guess, the first thing you would do is SCREAM VERY LOUDLY........ ;-) GK On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > Once you move to a dedicated raid controller, if the MB dies you can > move the raid controller to another machine and be back up and running > fairly quickly. >John W. Colby >Colby Consulting >www.ColbyConsulting.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 4 14:57:46 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:57:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <0JJ4001GSM9N1DE0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070604195747.47280BDE0@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Jim, On top of all that, the Dell solution is painfully expensive. If it works, great, but try to upgrade. I bought an Areca controller for $490 (at that time, slightly higher now). 8x 320g drives at $120 at the time ($89 now). I bought them 4x the first time, then another two, then another two. The second system the Areca board was about $500 and I used 4x 500g drives at $140. Then another two. I will be buying the last two this coming month. I can buy them on my schedule, and the prices drop over time for the disk drives. My next system will use the same controller at ~$520 and 8x 750g drives for around $200 (by the time I get ready to build them.) Notice that the total $/MB is dropping, and in every case is waaaaaay below Dell prices. Of course there is always the issue of whether this RAID system would work at all in a Dell. I need some large raid arrays and simply cannot afford the Dell solution. Fortunately there are alternatives. ;-) And I just ran across this: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/display/400gb-raid0510.html John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:37 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John: Well that makes good sense. I will give any future client the option and they may not 'cheap-out'. While we are on the subject of Raids, I would like to pass along a warning to all the techs: I will tag your post and maybe use a similar configuration for a client in the future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, Yes, you can do that. The raid 5 performance for the motherboards I was using was abysmal, down around 5 mbytes / sec write and 40 mbytes / sec read. And these were recent motherboards at the time I selected them (ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131011 With the dedicated raid controller with co-processor, the write speeds are up around 50 mb / sec and reads are around 400 mbytes / sec. It happens that I am building a SQL Server machine specifically. Thus the motherboard native timings simply did not work for me. I have another older machine which I set up to do the address validation software. I needed far higher speeds than was available at the motherboard level, specifically for reading quite large (1.5 gb) data files. I ended up buying a "RAMDISK" board and installing 3 gb of old ram I had hanging around. That gave me about 120 mbytes / sec throughput, read or write (only needed the read in this case). That speedup made an almost direct 1 to 1 difference in my application's speed, i.e. it was disk read bound. A normal disk drive reads about 50-60 mbytes / sec. The RAM disk doubled my throughput. Given that I am processing 50 and 100 gigabyte files, wringing the last ounce of speed is necessary. For simple backups however, a motherboard based solution is ok. Notice that I still don't endorse it simply because the MB becomes the weak link. If it dies for some reason, the raid array is trash unless you can get an identical motherboard. Once you move to a dedicated raid controller, if the MB dies you can move the raid controller to another machine and be back up and running fairly quickly. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John: Can you not just use the SATA controller off the motherboard? All the new boards (GigaByte) come with at least 2 SATA connections. I have hooked up a 5 drive array off one connection and striped them and then added another 2 off the second connection for the OS drives, for a client. The mother board minus the RAM came to $276.00CAN, 1.7GHz, LAN card, Video Card and Sound Card built in plus RAID software. The performance, though not stellar is quite acceptable. That is a good price for the drives though. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 4 15:44:23 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:44:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy In-Reply-To: <000001c7a621$2ff47530$0200a8c0@jt2b> References: <000b01c7a2ce$31b92b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004801c7a2ee$e7f88ad0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000001c7a621$2ff47530$0200a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <067a01c7a6e9$22756c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Those cookies are hard to keep up with :o) BTW, look for the actual file or registry settings that AS programs detect. The ones you've mentioned I trust but some of the ones I've tested some "free" downloads that have given false reports in an attempt to get you to purchase them. I've dug through the registry looking for the supposed keys they find or the file system for the cookies. Nowhere to be found. You've probably run into too. Free but they don't do anything but find stuff and nag you into buying the full version. Grrr. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Right, I ran Counter Spy first this week, before any of the other anti-spyware scans that I do... It found and removed 12 files, but I'm running Ad-Aware now, and it's found another 16, and hasn't finished yet... I'm thinking that you can't leave it all to one (or maybe even two) programs to clean your pc for you. I think they all look at different areas of your pc, and clean up different things. So I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot, and Counter Spy, AND Zone Alarm (cos that found some too). Ah well :-) From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 15:59:28 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:59:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? Message-ID: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and notes all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I see to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. TIA, Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Jun 4 16:00:38 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:00:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy In-Reply-To: <067a01c7a6e9$22756c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <000b01c7a2ce$31b92b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004801c7a2ee$e7f88ad0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000001c7a621$2ff47530$0200a8c0@jt2b> <067a01c7a6e9$22756c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000001c7a6eb$67720700$0200a8c0@jt2b> Yeah, I hate that. My friends are always telling me about the "new great anti-spyware product" that they downloaded form bit-torrent the night previously. I tell them to run one of the others as well, and they're always surprised to see that this new one has been detected as being very dodgy... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 04 June 2007 21:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Those cookies are hard to keep up with :o) BTW, look for the actual file or registry settings that AS programs detect. The ones you've mentioned I trust but some of the ones I've tested some "free" downloads that have given false reports in an attempt to get you to purchase them. I've dug through the registry looking for the supposed keys they find or the file system for the cookies. Nowhere to be found. You've probably run into too. Free but they don't do anything but find stuff and nag you into buying the full version. Grrr. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Right, I ran Counter Spy first this week, before any of the other anti-spyware scans that I do... It found and removed 12 files, but I'm running Ad-Aware now, and it's found another 16, and hasn't finished yet... I'm thinking that you can't leave it all to one (or maybe even two) programs to clean your pc for you. I think they all look at different areas of your pc, and clean up different things. So I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot, and Counter Spy, AND Zone Alarm (cos that found some too). Ah well :-) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 4 17:01:52 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:01:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46648BD0.11201.599FDFD6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Disk & Registry Uninstaller This uninstaller software is designed to log all the changes made your hard drive or registry whenever you install new software. This will log all folders and files that were added or removed on your system, and will log all registry keys that were added or removed during the install. Most uninstallers are not accurate, which is usually caused by files and folders being created after the install when programs first run, but this software will allow you to log and save all the changes, and you can even print or store electronically with the software for retrieving the information at a later time. You can then easily go back and remove anything that was not removed by a regular software uninstall. This software provides a sure way to identify if any viruses, spyware, or hidden programs were placed on your system during software installations, and also allows you to make sure all uninstalls have removed the necessary files. Simply run the software before installing any new software, then run the software again after it and you can view the exact differences found. .... Free trial download, only 24.95 if you decide to purchase. http://www.softwaretrials.com/diskalert/index.html Note that it is also called "Disk & Registry Alert" on other parts of the same site. On 4 Jun 2007 at 16:59, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and notes > all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I see > to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jun 4 17:15:14 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:15:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46648EF2.6040403@shaw.ca> Perhaps SysInternals RegMon program http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Processesandthreadsutilities.mspx Arthur Fuller wrote: >Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and notes >all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I see >to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. > >TIA, >Arthur > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 17:55:53 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:55:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <46648BD0.11201.599FDFD6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> <46648BD0.11201.599FDFD6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706041555s5c7baedbwadbb20d691d8942@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I just checked the site and downloaded the trial. It would appear this is precisely what I want. A. On 6/4/07, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > Disk & Registry Uninstaller > This uninstaller software is designed to log all the changes made your > hard > drive or registry whenever you install new software. This will log all > folders and files that were added or removed on your system, and will log > all registry keys that were added or removed during the install. Most > uninstallers are not accurate, which is usually caused by files and > folders > being created after the install when programs first run, but this software > will allow you to log and save all the changes, and you can even print or > store electronically with the software for retrieving the information at a > later time. You can then easily go back and remove anything that was not > removed by a regular software uninstall. This software provides a sure way > to identify if any viruses, spyware, or hidden programs were placed on > your > system during software installations, and also allows you to make sure all > uninstalls have removed the necessary files. Simply run the software > before > installing any new software, then run the software again after it and you > can view the exact differences found. > .... > Free trial download, only 24.95 if you decide to purchase. > > > http://www.softwaretrials.com/diskalert/index.html > > Note that it is also called "Disk & Registry Alert" on other parts of the > same site. > > > On 4 Jun 2007 at 16:59, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and > notes > > all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I > see > > to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. > > > > TIA, > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 4 20:36:36 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:36:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <070001c7a711$f4c60810$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> As a note of information: Norton used to have a product called CleanSweep that it acquired trhough its purchase of Quarterdeck. Originally CleanSweep did have this functionality. You could create backups of program installations by using it. Symantec removed it in later version of CleanSweep. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:59 PM Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and notes all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I see to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Tue Jun 5 00:21:52 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:21:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com> <070001c7a711$f4c60810$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B01B45A1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I believe Sys Internals had a tool like that, but Sys internals is now from MS. Maybe check http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Bartow Verzonden: dinsdag 5 juni 2007 3:37 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? As a note of information: Norton used to have a product called CleanSweep that it acquired trhough its purchase of Quarterdeck. Originally CleanSweep did have this functionality. You could create backups of program installations by using it. Symantec removed it in later version of CleanSweep. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:59 PM Is there a program that watches while you install another program, and notes all changes to the registry, all files copied (hidden too), and so on? I see to recall that Norton had something like that years ago. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 08:43:24 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:43:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <0JJ4001GSM9N1DE0@l-daemon> References: <20070604182837.922D4BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> <0JJ4001GSM9N1DE0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706050643q28e99e9by167a254e892b070d@mail.gmail.com> JimL, ? the client was rightfully very upset and I, as a temporary Dell rep looked like an idiot... (I do not need any extra help thank-you.) ? I was much affected by your tale of woe, but doubly amused by this. I really shouldn't read these messages while drinking anything... ? Dell stopped replying to his calls and he had to find a solution on his own. 2 days later, he had found and installed an open-source solution as his client's were threatening to sue him and Dell. He was a 'Basket Case' when the job was finally completed after having not slept for 3 days and he swears he never trust Dell again. ? I don't mean to re-open any wounds, here, but this sounds like maybe the equipment being installed was not all purchased from Dell -or- the Dell on-site installation option wasn't purchased. Was Dell being balky and uncooperative because, perhaps, of "non-standard" equipment or do-it-yourself installation? I used to work for a Digital Equipment supplier/custom software house. The guys that ran it had had a very close relationship with DEC for a long time (the VP was given the contract to upgrade the PDP-8 operating system -- yes, this was some time ago; 1983-4 or so). They also had an excellent relationship with the DEC Field Service office people. So if they decided to install a new 10 MB 14" removable disk drive pack (big stuff at the time!) at a client site they could rely on getting good help from the Field Service office even though DEC itself wasn't doing the install. Things have changed since then. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, Jim Lawrence wrote: > John: > > Well that makes good sense. I will give any future client the option and > they may not 'cheap-out'. > > While we are on the subject of Raids, I would like to pass along a warning > to all the techs: > > A few weeks ago had a contract from Dell to install their new 'inexpensive' > drive raids (Dell PowerVault 726N) and found them terrible. So be warned. > > First they are supposed to be a complete unit without the capability of > accepting more drives, especially when they only house 4 drives (and dare to > call it a raid 5), second the OS and data drives are folded and striped > together and last it was not until I was onsite that it became apparent the > larger (750GB) drives, sold to the client, were not capable of being > installed in the units. Dell sales staff knowledge of their own high end > products is very much lacking. > > Dell, ended up paying for the service call, which they were not happy with > as it took 2 days to re-build/recover the Raid, (fortunately it was a > weekend), the client was rightfully very upset and I, as a temporary Dell > rep looked like an idiot... (I do not need any extra help thank-you.) > > A month before a friend had arranged for a number of huge Dells that were > supposed to be used in a 'clustered' site. He had spoken at some length to > senior Dell techs and reps as to whether there would be any issues to be > concern with and was told, repeatedly, No. After 8 hours into the install it > became apparent there were problems. Dell stopped replying to his calls and > he had to find a solution on his own. 2 days later, he had found and > installed an open-source solution as his client's were threatening to sue > him and Dell. He was a 'Basket Case' when the job was finally completed > after having not slept for 3 days and he swears he never trust Dell again. > > > I will tag your post and maybe use a similar configuration for a client in > the future. > > Jim From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 08:45:18 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:45:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070604172619.879F1BBFC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706041018w64d752c6r171e4db5cbdc0e3@mail.gmail.com> <20070604172619.879F1BBFC@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706050645i3b012e7cj3a22c32e828d70be@mail.gmail.com> John, Right you are. I'm going to look into Casper XP. It's only $50; can't afford RAID arrays at the moment. I don't want to go through this stuff anymore. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > I'll tell you, I spend more time on stuff like this, which is exactly why I > am trying to get my house in order. A good RAID backup platform and a good > backup / imaging program will go a long way. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:18 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John and Arthur, > > The system admin here at work thinks that my registry needs to be rebuilt > from the registry hive. I'm first going to try to start with the Last Known > Good Configuration from the Windows XP install disk tonight. If that > doesn't work, I'll pull the drive and bring it to work for him to do his > magic on it. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 09:03:45 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:03:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B01B45A1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <29f585dd0706041359n293390eag5ff28c9e7e3d5a37@mail.gmail.com><070001c7a711$f4c60810$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B01B45A1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <011a01c7a77a$5548c6b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? I believe Sys Internals had a tool like that, but Sys internals is now from MS. Maybe check http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx Erwin From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 09:08:59 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy In-Reply-To: <000001c7a6eb$67720700$0200a8c0@jt2b> References: <000b01c7a2ce$31b92b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004801c7a2ee$e7f88ad0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000001c7a621$2ff47530$0200a8c0@jt2b><067a01c7a6e9$22756c20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000001c7a6eb$67720700$0200a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <012401c7a77b$10af5310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> One of the reasons I test things so much for myself. Every now and again I'll try something based on a trade rags recommendation and find it to be poor/dodgy/worthless. And it seems over the last few years that even when you do use a company's products you have to test their new products and upgrades before using them. When you have others depending on your advice he whole idea of upgrading changes tremendously. Its to the point where I have upgrade paranoia! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Yeah, I hate that. My friends are always telling me about the "new great anti-spyware product" that they downloaded form bit-torrent the night previously. I tell them to run one of the others as well, and they're always surprised to see that this new one has been detected as being very dodgy... From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 5 09:10:37 2007 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:10:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Message-ID: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFECB@ALCEXLG1> Yeah, me too. Wish I got paid for it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy One of the reasons I test things so much for myself. Every now and again I'll try something based on a trade rags recommendation and find it to be poor/dodgy/worthless. And it seems over the last few years that even when you do use a company's products you have to test their new products and upgrades before using them. When you have others depending on your advice he whole idea of upgrading changes tremendously. Its to the point where I have upgrade paranoia! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Yeah, I hate that. My friends are always telling me about the "new great anti-spyware product" that they downloaded form bit-torrent the night previously. I tell them to run one of the others as well, and they're always surprised to see that this new one has been detected as being very dodgy... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 09:24:06 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:24:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706050645i3b012e7cj3a22c32e828d70be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Steve, I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the original data recovered. Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for raid protected storage. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John, Right you are. I'm going to look into Casper XP. It's only $50; can't afford RAID arrays at the moment. I don't want to go through this stuff anymore. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/4/07, jwcolby wrote: > I'll tell you, I spend more time on stuff like this, which is exactly > why I am trying to get my house in order. A good RAID backup platform > and a good backup / imaging program will go a long way. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 5 10:20:13 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:20:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706050643q28e99e9by167a254e892b070d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJ600M8452D5IS0@l-daemon> Hi Steve: If the friend had not carefully planned the whole install and based his knowledge on the equipment/software recommendations from the Dell Techs their part or lack of it would not so easily be faulted. The installation was based on instructions from Dell and an addition support contract was also purchased. There are not any Dell trained Techs who actually go on site; they just bring in hired-guns like myself. (Many years ago I (my own company) were the Dell distributor for our area. They switched to the direct-purchase model after we had established a solid government client base... and that is another story). < I don't mean to re-open any wounds, here, but this sounds like maybe the equipment being installed was not all purchased from Dell -or- the Dell on-site installation option wasn't purchased. Was Dell being balky and uncooperative because, perhaps, of "non-standard" equipment or do-it-yourself installation? I used to work for a Digital Equipment supplier/custom software house. The guys that ran it had had a very close relationship with DEC for a long time (the VP was given the contract to upgrade the PDP-8 operating system -- yes, this was some time ago; 1983-4 or so). They also had an excellent relationship with the DEC Field Service office people. So if they decided to install a new 10 MB 14" removable disk drive pack (big stuff at the time!) at a client site they could rely on getting good help from the Field Service office even though DEC itself wasn't doing the install. Things have changed since then. > I worked with a PDP 11-70, in 1980, using Intergraph software. The tech service was excellent in those days as the technicians were all fully trained. Tight competition and small margins have eliminated that era I am afraid. < Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > Jim From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 10:15:35 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:15:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy In-Reply-To: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFECB@ALCEXLG1> References: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFECB@ALCEXLG1> Message-ID: <015501c7a784$5e624a50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> And I wish it didn't cost me so much (time & money)! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Counter Spy Yeah, me too. Wish I got paid for it :-) From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 10:15:35 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:15:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706050645i3b012e7cj3a22c32e828d70be@mail.gmail.com> <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <015401c7a784$5e21e5f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Steve, I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the original data recovered. Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for raid protected storage. From fahooper at trapo.com Tue Jun 5 10:20:14 2007 From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:20:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? In-Reply-To: <011a01c7a77a$5548c6b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <007701c7a785$05f74a90$65cee044@fredxp> I went to www.sysinternals.com (their old site) and it bounced me to http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx (the new site). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Install Watcher? I believe Sys Internals had a tool like that, but Sys internals is now from MS. Maybe check http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx Erwin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jun 5 10:25:36 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:25:36 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Message-ID: Hi John Be careful with Retrospect for server backup. It's a dog. (Don't ask why, I have no details). We replace it systematically with anything else when we are allowed to. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 17:15 >>> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 10:56:21 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:56:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <0JJ600M8452D5IS0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070605155622.E2EA1BCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Jim, >From 1980-84 I worked for Megatek, a graphics system manufacturer, back in the days when the circuitry to rotate/scale/translate/clip a (vector) graphics image was an entire pair of boards with more logic than your current motherboard. The graphics sub-system was about 40 to 90 THOUSAND dollars and had an entire board just to interface it to a specific mini-computer. Anyway, I was trained to repair these things, both in the lab (to the chip level using O'scopes and soldering irons) and to the board level. I worked both as a Field Engineer and a lab technician. One day I was in Minneapolis, in the middle of winter, taking a field service call from a city government agency which was in the middle of entering all of the maps of the water / sewer / electrical into a computer mapping database. Every time I came to work on their system, the problem would never occur so I would essentially make an educated guess as to what could cause the problem and swap a bunch of boards. This particular time, the agency actually made me a job offer to go to work for them, just sit on site and fix the problems they had whenever they occurred. The system was so critical and so expensive that they were willing to do that. Of course that was Minneapolis, and I was from San Diego, and it was winter.... Which tells you how long I actively considered their offer... But in those days you were trained to fix things. The classes for the graphics processors were several days and you learned each and every chip on each and every board, what it did, and how it worked. There were entire books of schematics, several pages for each board, which I knew like the back of my hand. I could rattle off the numeric names of all the TTL chips, registers, OR, AND, buffers. I knew the workings of every single current (at that time) Intel processor (there was an entire books for them), knew the register names, the instruction set, how long each instruction took to execute, the timing diagrams for each pin. Likewise for the memory chips, static and dynamic. There were diagnostic programs to exercise the circuits so that you could trace signals with a scope. And we were paid as if it were an important job. Of course now the graphics chip in my laptop is 100 times more powerful than the entire system that I worked on in 1981 and costs just a few dollars. And my laptop is 100 times more powerful than the DEC mini that these systems were connected to. Now you couldn't troubleshoot it with a scope if you wanted to and it would not make economic sense to do so. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:20 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi Steve: If the friend had not carefully planned the whole install and based his knowledge on the equipment/software recommendations from the Dell Techs their part or lack of it would not so easily be faulted. The installation was based on instructions from Dell and an addition support contract was also purchased. There are not any Dell trained Techs who actually go on site; they just bring in hired-guns like myself. (Many years ago I (my own company) were the Dell distributor for our area. They switched to the direct-purchase model after we had established a solid government client base... and that is another story). < I don't mean to re-open any wounds, here, but this sounds like maybe the equipment being installed was not all purchased from Dell -or- the Dell on-site installation option wasn't purchased. Was Dell being balky and uncooperative because, perhaps, of "non-standard" equipment or do-it-yourself installation? I used to work for a Digital Equipment supplier/custom software house. The guys that ran it had had a very close relationship with DEC for a long time (the VP was given the contract to upgrade the PDP-8 operating system -- yes, this was some time ago; 1983-4 or so). They also had an excellent relationship with the DEC Field Service office people. So if they decided to install a new 10 MB 14" removable disk drive pack (big stuff at the time!) at a client site they could rely on getting good help from the Field Service office even though DEC itself wasn't doing the install. Things have changed since then. > I worked with a PDP 11-70, in 1980, using Intergraph software. The tech service was excellent in those days as the technicians were all fully trained. Tight competition and small margins have eliminated that era I am afraid. < Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 11:01:51 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:01:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016a01c7a78a$d4c69ce0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Gustav, I have used Retrospect on and off for years and haven't noticed any issues (probably because I don't have any huge servers that I have to deal with). But I'll keep that in mind if I come into that situation. I schedule it to run at night as most of my clients don't run 24/7 so it hasn't been an issue where I do backup servers. It nice because it has PC and Mac Agents so I can backup everything to one backup location via one application. I suppose there are others that do the same though. My biggest problem with Retrospect is that Symantec bought it's parent company. I'm sure they'll mess it up somehow. I'm evaluating into CA's backup solutions as they bundle them in a small business security suite now. The UI is rather archaic but they've been updating their UIs lately and have been doing a nice job of it. What's your preference in backup software? John B. PS: I just now restored a 40MB folder from an external WD USB drive using Retrospect - took all of a few seconds. Its nice when things work! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:26 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John Be careful with Retrospect for server backup. It's a dog. (Don't ask why, I have no details). We replace it systematically with anything else when we are allowed to. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 17:15 >>> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 11:03:17 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:03:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070605160319.06ADEBD31@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I hope that "anything else" doesn't include Symantec! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:26 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John Be careful with Retrospect for server backup. It's a dog. (Don't ask why, I have no details). We replace it systematically with anything else when we are allowed to. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 17:15 >>> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 11:14:27 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:14:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <016a01c7a78a$d4c69ce0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <20070605161435.E83ABBCB9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >My biggest problem with Retrospect is that Symantec bought it's parent company. Argh! Symantec seems to be buying the competition and throwing them away to get rid of competing programs. Too bad Symantec's programs and tech support are so... uh... well... Let's just say I have rid myself of anything with Symantec anywhere on the box. And I used to be a fan. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi Gustav, I have used Retrospect on and off for years and haven't noticed any issues (probably because I don't have any huge servers that I have to deal with). But I'll keep that in mind if I come into that situation. I schedule it to run at night as most of my clients don't run 24/7 so it hasn't been an issue where I do backup servers. It nice because it has PC and Mac Agents so I can backup everything to one backup location via one application. I suppose there are others that do the same though. My biggest problem with Retrospect is that Symantec bought it's parent company. I'm sure they'll mess it up somehow. I'm evaluating into CA's backup solutions as they bundle them in a small business security suite now. The UI is rather archaic but they've been updating their UIs lately and have been doing a nice job of it. What's your preference in backup software? John B. PS: I just now restored a 40MB folder from an external WD USB drive using Retrospect - took all of a few seconds. Its nice when things work! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:26 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John Be careful with Retrospect for server backup. It's a dog. (Don't ask why, I have no details). We replace it systematically with anything else when we are allowed to. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 17:15 >>> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jun 5 11:15:42 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:15:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Message-ID: Hi John and John I believe we mostly use Backup Exec for server backup. Now owned by Symantec(!) CA is the previous ARCserve which had a terrible UI. I know we are looking for alternatives because we expect Symantec to s...w up Backup Exec sooner or later. Note that this is about server backup. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 18:01 >>> Hi Gustav, I have used Retrospect on and off for years and haven't noticed any issues (probably because I don't have any huge servers that I have to deal with). But I'll keep that in mind if I come into that situation. I schedule it to run at night as most of my clients don't run 24/7 so it hasn't been an issue where I do backup servers. It nice because it has PC and Mac Agents so I can backup everything to one backup location via one application. I suppose there are others that do the same though. My biggest problem with Retrospect is that Symantec bought it's parent company. I'm sure they'll mess it up somehow. I'm evaluating into CA's backup solutions as they bundle them in a small business security suite now. The UI is rather archaic but they've been updating their UIs lately and have been doing a nice job of it. What's your preference in backup software? John B. PS: I just now restored a 40MB folder from an external WD USB drive using Retrospect - took all of a few seconds. Its nice when things work! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:26 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John Be careful with Retrospect for server backup. It's a dog. (Don't ask why, I have no details). We replace it systematically with anything else when we are allowed to. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 05-06-2007 17:15 >>> Ever consider using a backup program such as Retrospect? From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 11:58:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:58:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018c01c7a792$c3b3c1f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I had considered Backup Exec. I had used it some years ago about the same time NT was using the cut down version for its native backup applet. Can't remember why I didn't go with it. I'll let you know what I find in my CA trials. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:16 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi John and John I believe we mostly use Backup Exec for server backup. Now owned by Symantec(!) CA is the previous ARCserve which had a terrible UI. I know we are looking for alternatives because we expect Symantec to s...w up Backup Exec sooner or later. Note that this is about server backup. /gustav From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 11:58:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:58:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070605161435.E83ABBCB9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <016a01c7a78a$d4c69ce0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <20070605161435.E83ABBCB9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <018d01c7a792$c4ee64d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Me too. About 3 years ago they changed my mind for me though. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:14 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >My biggest problem with Retrospect is that Symantec bought it's parent company. Argh! Symantec seems to be buying the competition and throwing them away to get rid of competing programs. Too bad Symantec's programs and tech support are so... uh... well... Let's just say I have rid myself of anything with Symantec anywhere on the box. And I used to be a fan. Sigh. From bhjohnson at verizon.net Tue Jun 5 12:01:34 2007 From: bhjohnson at verizon.net (Bruce H. Johnson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:01:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? Message-ID: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 5 12:16:20 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:16:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: <019201c7a795$3cb662e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Bruce, Martin Reid would be a good to talk to about SharePoint. Hopefully he's listening in. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:02 PM To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Jun 5 12:23:52 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:23:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: Bruce In SharePoint everything (well almost) is sotred in an SQL backend database. Just the way it is. The folder structure is a visual representation of the files just like windows explorer. You create a document library and fromt here can create a folder structure to organise your documents. But as you say all documents are stored in the database. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tue 05/06/2007 18:01 To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jun 5 13:17:53 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:17:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: <002d01c7a79d$d563f3b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Bruce, I've done this for two customers. Do not store the documents in Access tables. You can move/copy/delete documents using FileSystemObjects code, and you can open a document using hyperlinks created in code immediately before the document needs to be opened. And you can set up a folder structure the way you want to store the documents. Doing this is a lot safer - if your database happens to get corrupted, you won't lose the documents. Best of Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:02 PM To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 5 13:27:23 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:27:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070605155622.E2EA1BCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJ600ACJDQBFLH3@l-daemon> For sure John, those days are gone. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, >From 1980-84 I worked for Megatek, a graphics system manufacturer, back in the days when the circuitry to rotate/scale/translate/clip a (vector) graphics image was an entire pair of boards with more logic than your current motherboard. The graphics sub-system was about 40 to 90 THOUSAND dollars and had an entire board just to interface it to a specific mini-computer. Anyway, I was trained to repair these things, both in the lab (to the chip level using O'scopes and soldering irons) and to the board level. I worked both as a Field Engineer and a lab technician. One day I was in Minneapolis, in the middle of winter, taking a field service call from a city government agency which was in the middle of entering all of the maps of the water / sewer / electrical into a computer mapping database. Every time I came to work on their system, the problem would never occur so I would essentially make an educated guess as to what could cause the problem and swap a bunch of boards. This particular time, the agency actually made me a job offer to go to work for them, just sit on site and fix the problems they had whenever they occurred. The system was so critical and so expensive that they were willing to do that. Of course that was Minneapolis, and I was from San Diego, and it was winter.... Which tells you how long I actively considered their offer... But in those days you were trained to fix things. The classes for the graphics processors were several days and you learned each and every chip on each and every board, what it did, and how it worked. There were entire books of schematics, several pages for each board, which I knew like the back of my hand. I could rattle off the numeric names of all the TTL chips, registers, OR, AND, buffers. I knew the workings of every single current (at that time) Intel processor (there was an entire books for them), knew the register names, the instruction set, how long each instruction took to execute, the timing diagrams for each pin. Likewise for the memory chips, static and dynamic. There were diagnostic programs to exercise the circuits so that you could trace signals with a scope. And we were paid as if it were an important job. Of course now the graphics chip in my laptop is 100 times more powerful than the entire system that I worked on in 1981 and costs just a few dollars. And my laptop is 100 times more powerful than the DEC mini that these systems were connected to. Now you couldn't troubleshoot it with a scope if you wanted to and it would not make economic sense to do so. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:20 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Hi Steve: If the friend had not carefully planned the whole install and based his knowledge on the equipment/software recommendations from the Dell Techs their part or lack of it would not so easily be faulted. The installation was based on instructions from Dell and an addition support contract was also purchased. There are not any Dell trained Techs who actually go on site; they just bring in hired-guns like myself. (Many years ago I (my own company) were the Dell distributor for our area. They switched to the direct-purchase model after we had established a solid government client base... and that is another story). < I don't mean to re-open any wounds, here, but this sounds like maybe the equipment being installed was not all purchased from Dell -or- the Dell on-site installation option wasn't purchased. Was Dell being balky and uncooperative because, perhaps, of "non-standard" equipment or do-it-yourself installation? I used to work for a Digital Equipment supplier/custom software house. The guys that ran it had had a very close relationship with DEC for a long time (the VP was given the contract to upgrade the PDP-8 operating system -- yes, this was some time ago; 1983-4 or so). They also had an excellent relationship with the DEC Field Service office people. So if they decided to install a new 10 MB 14" removable disk drive pack (big stuff at the time!) at a client site they could rely on getting good help from the Field Service office even though DEC itself wasn't doing the install. Things have changed since then. > I worked with a PDP 11-70, in 1980, using Intergraph software. The tech service was excellent in those days as the technicians were all fully trained. Tight competition and small margins have eliminated that era I am afraid. < Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bhjohnson at verizon.net Tue Jun 5 13:28:04 2007 From: bhjohnson at verizon.net (Bruce H. Johnson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:28:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <002d01c7a79d$d563f3b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> <002d01c7a79d$d563f3b0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <001b01c7a79f$422247d0$0201a8c0@HALSR> Thanks. Martin Reid says Sharepoint stores the actual docs in the database. Another small CMS does the same. Sounds, uh, frightening to me. I'll go with the folders on the server. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? Bruce, I've done this for two customers. Do not store the documents in Access tables. You can move/copy/delete documents using FileSystemObjects code, and you can open a document using hyperlinks created in code immediately before the document needs to be opened. And you can set up a folder structure the way you want to store the documents. Doing this is a lot safer - if your database happens to get corrupted, you won't lose the documents. Best of Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:02 PM To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM From bhjohnson at verizon.net Tue Jun 5 13:29:05 2007 From: bhjohnson at verizon.net (Bruce H. Johnson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:29:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: <001c01c7a79f$66a1d8f0$0201a8c0@HALSR> That's much like I figured. I'll stay away from that and use folders on the server. Thanks. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? Bruce In SharePoint everything (well almost) is sotred in an SQL backend database. Just the way it is. The folder structure is a visual representation of the files just like windows explorer. You create a document library and fromt here can create a folder structure to organise your documents. But as you say all documents are stored in the database. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tue 05/06/2007 18:01 To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) and versioning? I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database but still kept talking about folders. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 13:33:39 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:33:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <001b01c7a79f$422247d0$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: <20070605183341.836B1BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >Martin Reid says Sharepoint stores the actual docs in the database. Yes, but a SQL Server database, not an MDB BE. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce H. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? Thanks. Martin Reid says Sharepoint stores the actual docs in the database. Another small CMS does the same. Sounds, uh, frightening to me. I'll go with the folders on the server. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? Bruce, I've done this for two customers. Do not store the documents in Access tables. You can move/copy/delete documents using FileSystemObjects code, and you can open a document using hyperlinks created in code immediately before the document needs to be opened. And you can set up a folder structure the way you want to store the documents. Doing this is a lot safer - if your database happens to get corrupted, you won't lose the documents. Best of Luck, Dan From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Jun 5 13:52:33 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:52:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? References: <20070605183341.836B1BCF1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: Yip a BIG sql server 2005 Enterprise dedicated server on a SAN with lots and lots of backup. Other longer email being help up forgot to snip it! Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of jwcolby Sent: Tue 05/06/2007 19:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? >Martin Reid says Sharepoint stores the actual docs in the database. Yes, but a SQL Server database, not an MDB BE. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Jun 5 17:13:18 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:13:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> Message-ID: <4665DFFE.6040009@shaw.ca> I have one written in Access for a junior college. It handles offline storage, paper files retention dates, responsibilty, it was setup to create a windows directory structure based on the business taxonomy file series numbers and corresponding names This corresponds to a three level key in Access and 3 level windows directory. It also has to handle Freedom of Information and Data Privacy info. The first thing to do is setup a functioning files series taxonomy to store files. This should be setup with Records Management staff if you have any. I can't give you final product but can give you first trials just to show complexity involved. One problem I ran into was length of directory names and also special characters created from field names. Just remember Sharepoint Lists can accessed as Access tables from Access 2003 + It is as simple to use as a linked table manager. Bruce H. Johnson wrote: >I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. >Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) >and versioning? > >I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. >In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database >but still kept talking about folders. > > >Bruce H. Johnson >Sylmar, CA > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jun 5 18:21:09 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:21:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <4665DFFE.6040009@shaw.ca> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> <4665DFFE.6040009@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000d01c7a7c8$33141380$0200a8c0@danwaters> In one of the systems I wrote we limited the length of the file name so that it would fit completely in one line at the top of the Cover Sheet report for that document. First you need to determine the font size and style, and report margins, then just experiment. It was sufficient - I think it was about 65 characters, not including the file extension. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? I have one written in Access for a junior college. It handles offline storage, paper files retention dates, responsibilty, it was setup to create a windows directory structure based on the business taxonomy file series numbers and corresponding names This corresponds to a three level key in Access and 3 level windows directory. It also has to handle Freedom of Information and Data Privacy info. The first thing to do is setup a functioning files series taxonomy to store files. This should be setup with Records Management staff if you have any. I can't give you final product but can give you first trials just to show complexity involved. One problem I ran into was length of directory names and also special characters created from field names. Just remember Sharepoint Lists can accessed as Access tables from Access 2003 + It is as simple to use as a linked table manager. Bruce H. Johnson wrote: >I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. >Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) >and versioning? > >I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. >In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database >but still kept talking about folders. > > >Bruce H. Johnson >Sylmar, CA > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Jun 5 19:13:23 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:13:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? In-Reply-To: <000d01c7a7c8$33141380$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <007801c7a793$2c55f390$0201a8c0@HALSR> <4665DFFE.6040009@shaw.ca> <000d01c7a7c8$33141380$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <4665FC23.5000407@shaw.ca> There are length limits if you save directory and file structures to CD's The limits are defined by the Joliet CD standard. Dan Waters wrote: >In one of the systems I wrote we limited the length of the file name so that >it would fit completely in one line at the top of the Cover Sheet report for >that document. First you need to determine the font size and style, and >report margins, then just experiment. It was sufficient - I think it was >about 65 characters, not including the file extension. > >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:13 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best Practices for Document Content Management? > >I have one written in Access for a junior college. It handles offline >storage, paper files >retention dates, responsibilty, it was setup to create a windows >directory structure >based on the business taxonomy file series numbers and corresponding >names >This corresponds to a three level key in Access and 3 level windows >directory. >It also has to handle Freedom of Information and Data Privacy info. >The first thing to do is setup a functioning files series taxonomy to >store files. >This should be setup with Records Management staff if you have any. > >I can't give you final product but can give you first trials just to >show complexity >involved. One problem I ran into was length of directory names and also >special >characters created from field names. > >Just remember Sharepoint Lists can accessed as Access tables from Access >2003 + >It is as simple to use as a linked table manager. > >Bruce H. Johnson wrote: > > > >>I've been tasked to create a small document managment system with Access. >>Any pointers to best practices on storage (folder/directory sturcture, etc) >>and versioning? >> >>I spent an hour on MSDN tooking at the Sharepoint Portal server documents. >>In the best MS tradition, it said the documents were stored in the database >>but still kept talking about folders. >> >> >>Bruce H. Johnson >>Sylmar, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 5 20:33:33 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:33:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Great Smokey Mountain AccessD Conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070606013333.E9209BE71@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >Too late for a latecomer to the party? Not at all. Everybody step right up. The first annual (or maybe bi-annual) Great Smokey Mountain AccessD conference will be the weekend of June 23rd at my house. Everyone welcome. I think we have a web page under development. I'll check on that. I tried to do Google earth to get my location but that didn't work. According to Streets and Trips and the attached GPS device, my house is: 35.82548 N, 81.49635 W. Altitude 1269 Feet. The address is: 1723 Twin Pines Dr. Hudson, NC 28638 828-572-0120 is my business phone. Please do not target missiles to that location as there are innocent civilians present. There will be prize drawings, there will be technical presentations, there will be food, there will be pretty girls and handsome boys (well, one of each if you count my two kids). Come on down! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: DBCfour at aol.com [mailto:DBCfour at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:48 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Conference John, Too late for a latecomer to the party? I had to wait until the On Call rotation came out before I could commit. I'll bring desert! :-) Donna Cook _____ See what's free at AOL.com . 8 From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 5 21:57:06 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:57:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Great Smokey Mountain AccessD Conference In-Reply-To: <20070606013333.E9209BE71@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJ700E9U1BSDDA2@l-daemon> Hi john: Yes it is under development... Had a bunch of invoices, requests, projects and a contract to manage the last few days but everything is still up in the air and nothing has been done. (Should finish the page off this evening as the maps graphics have been completed.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:34 PM To: DBCfour at aol.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Great Smokey Mountain AccessD Conference >Too late for a latecomer to the party? Not at all. Everybody step right up. The first annual (or maybe bi-annual) Great Smokey Mountain AccessD conference will be the weekend of June 23rd at my house. Everyone welcome. I think we have a web page under development. I'll check on that. I tried to do Google earth to get my location but that didn't work. According to Streets and Trips and the attached GPS device, my house is: 35.82548 N, 81.49635 W. Altitude 1269 Feet. The address is: 1723 Twin Pines Dr. Hudson, NC 28638 828-572-0120 is my business phone. Please do not target missiles to that location as there are innocent civilians present. There will be prize drawings, there will be technical presentations, there will be food, there will be pretty girls and handsome boys (well, one of each if you count my two kids). Come on down! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: DBCfour at aol.com [mailto:DBCfour at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:48 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Conference John, Too late for a latecomer to the party? I had to wait until the On Call rotation came out before I could commit. I'll bring desert! :-) Donna Cook _____ See what's free at AOL.com . 8 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 06:39:36 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:39:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706050645i3b012e7cj3a22c32e828d70be@mail.gmail.com> <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706060439q7ed1d646sc912bd0b698448eb@mail.gmail.com> John, ? My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. ? Boy, howdy! Ain't that the truth! What has always puzzled me about Ghost since Microsoft went to its current OS model of logins/security was this: my understanding is that XP looks at the serial number of the installed drive. If I use Ghost to clone a drive and the main drive goes bad, then I have to re-install Windows and go through activation on the cloned drive...perhaps with some grovelling to Microsoft to let them know that I'm not stealing their software. Is that your understanding, too? Our sysadmin says that it shouldn't be that hard to get Windows back up and running on a cloned drive. He also says that Casper XP will clone the drive the first time through and then perform incremental backups thereafter. This True Image sounds good, though, too. Today I'm taking my drive in to our sysadmin to see if he can rebuild the registry from the "hive"... Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from > Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image is > available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. > > My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read one > service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" (they were > talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore fails you have > hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the original data > recovered. > > Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the > restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will physically fit > in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. > > I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. > The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product until > the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the product > would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never actually said so on > the screen, so the only way to know whether you got a good backup was go > read the log file. Which of course the average Joe will not think is > required. In fact the author was burned and discovered this when his backup > was corrupt. > > Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a good > image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both backing up > critical data. I have already moved my family photos off onto the Raid 6 > system, and have a backup area out on that machine for raid protected > storage. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 21:24:52 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:24:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706050645i3b012e7cj3a22c32e828d70be@mail.gmail.com> <20070605142408.CF9CCBE9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com> John, I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that the registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at one point my drive took down his own machine! I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: first time, every time! Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from > Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image is > available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. > > My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read one > service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" (they were > talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore fails you have > hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the original data > recovered. > > Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the > restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will physically fit > in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. > > I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. > The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product until > the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the product > would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never actually said so on > the screen, so the only way to know whether you got a good backup was go > read the log file. Which of course the average Joe will not think is > required. In fact the author was burned and discovered this when his backup > was corrupt. > > Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a good > image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both backing up > critical data. I have already moved my family photos off onto the Raid 6 > system, and have a backup area out on that machine for raid protected > storage. > > John W. Colby From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 6 21:55:35 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:55:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install problam dating back to at least version 8. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John, I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that the registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at one point my drive took down his own machine! I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: first time, every time! Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from > Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image > is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. > > My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read > one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" > (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore > fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the > original data recovered. > > Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the > restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will > physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. > > I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. > The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product > until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the > product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never > actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you > got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the > average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned > and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. > > Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a > good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both > backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off > onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for > raid protected storage. > > John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From robert at servicexp.com Thu Jun 7 06:26:46 2007 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:26:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com> <20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts> Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version 10. They rarely seem to correct existing problems. WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install problam dating back to at least version 8. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John, I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that the registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at one point my drive took down his own machine! I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: first time, every time! Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from > Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image > is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. > > My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read > one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" > (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore > fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the > original data recovered. > > Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the > restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will > physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. > > I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. > The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product > until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the > product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never > actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you > got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the > average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned > and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. > > Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a > good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both > backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off > onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for > raid protected storage. > > John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 08:42:47 2007 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:42:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com> <20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30706070642p14220c1oe04511d865c0e006@mail.gmail.com> John, I'm going to go with my sysadmin's advice and get a copy of Casper XP. The sysadmin here is a certifiable genius geek with no social life...so I KNOW he's got a lot on the ball! When we talk about the software I'm writing it's difficult to keep up with him. Good luck with TrueImage. I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it here...but that's not saying much. I gave up trying to keep up. Steve Erbach On 6/6/07, jwcolby wrote: > Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one > machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install > problam dating back to at least version 8. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John, > > I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this > hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that the > registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry > from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at > one point my drive took down his own machine! > > I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: > first time, every time! > > Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... > > Steve Erbach From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 7 09:03:25 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:03:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30706070642p14220c1oe04511d865c0e006@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c7a90c$9e674c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> WinZip Computing sent me an email today touting something called Carbonite - hassle-free, encrypted, no storage limit, off site backup. $50 per year. Anybody know anything about this one? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC John, I'm going to go with my sysadmin's advice and get a copy of Casper XP. The sysadmin here is a certifiable genius geek with no social life...so I KNOW he's got a lot on the ball! When we talk about the software I'm writing it's difficult to keep up with him. Good luck with TrueImage. I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it here...but that's not saying much. I gave up trying to keep up. Steve Erbach On 6/6/07, jwcolby wrote: > Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on > one machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this > install problam dating back to at least version 8. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John, > > I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this > hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw > that the registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild > the registry from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, > though, that at one point my drive took down his own machine! > > I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: > first time, every time! > > Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... > > Steve Erbach _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 18:55:44 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Message-ID: <29f585dd0706071655y5e1ef0bay82e8492c56f49a33@mail.gmail.com> Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation? Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a difference? Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching? TIA, Arthur From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Jun 7 19:08:13 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:08:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706071655y5e1ef0bay82e8492c56f49a33@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706071655y5e1ef0bay82e8492c56f49a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Arthur, I put the air can nozzle blowing into my daughter's 4-yo laptop and it blew out tons of dust. Maybe that is what is going on with you? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation? Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a difference? Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching? TIA, Arthur From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Jun 7 19:18:35 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:18:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp> References: <29f585dd0706071655y5e1ef0bay82e8492c56f49a33@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <4668A05B.5040200@shaw.ca> Never mind those fiddley little air cans get a compressed air scuba tank. I take my laptops in for a clean of heat sinks and fans every two years and also replace the fans for $100. I drag them around some grungey sites. I don't do myself as I always end up with broken plastic bits and extra screws. I run off AC power with battery in, but I get a lot of sudden power cuts so it is safer as then the battery gives you time to shutdown Bobby Heid wrote: >Arthur, > >I put the air can nozzle blowing into my daughter's 4-yo laptop and it blew >out tons of dust. Maybe that is what is going on with you? > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:56 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating > >Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to >overheat after a year of faithful operation? > >Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a >difference? > >Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and >belly-aching? > >TIA, >Arthur > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 7 19:41:25 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706071655y5e1ef0bay82e8492c56f49a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c601c7a965$be9d4f40$0301a8c0@HAL9005> "suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation?" Had a girl friend like that once. "work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching?" Yeah, that was her. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation? Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a difference? Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 7 19:41:57 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:41:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <00c701c7a965$d19f7d70$0301a8c0@HAL9005> You think he's full of dust, too? (OK, it's happy hour here) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:08 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Arthur, I put the air can nozzle blowing into my daughter's 4-yo laptop and it blew out tons of dust. Maybe that is what is going on with you? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation? Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a difference? Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 20:07:43 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:07:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <00c701c7a965$d19f7d70$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp> <00c701c7a965$d19f7d70$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706071807i1e41fe26ne274e6c3570283da@mail.gmail.com> Given that 89% of the time, the laptop is running off direct juice rather than battery, should I remove the battery save only those few occasions when I need it? Will the power still work from the wire if the battery is absent? I think that in the year I've owned this machine, I actually depended on its battery for about an hour. A. On 6/7/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > You think he's full of dust, too? > > (OK, it's happy hour here) > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:08 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating > > Arthur, > > I put the air can nozzle blowing into my daughter's 4-yo laptop and it > blew > out tons of dust. Maybe that is what is going on with you? > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating > > Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin > to > overheat after a year of faithful operation? > > Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a > difference? > > Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and > belly-aching? > > TIA, > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 2:03 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Jun 7 20:48:52 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:48:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706071807i1e41fe26ne274e6c3570283da@mail.gmail.com> References: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp><00c701c7a965$d19f7d70$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0706071807i1e41fe26ne274e6c3570283da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c7a96f$2ae12290$2c01a8c0@bhxp> The only thing that I have heard bad about doing this is that the battery contacts could oxidize. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Given that 89% of the time, the laptop is running off direct juice rather than battery, should I remove the battery save only those few occasions when I need it? Will the power still work from the wire if the battery is absent? I think that in the year I've owned this machine, I actually depended on its battery for about an hour. A. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Fri Jun 8 00:54:25 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:54:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating References: <000f01c7a961$1bc64910$2c01a8c0@bhxp><00c701c7a965$d19f7d70$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0706071807i1e41fe26ne274e6c3570283da@mail.gmail.com> <002601c7a96f$2ae12290$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B01B45F9@stekelbes.ithelps.local> You bios clock (date and time) depend on that battery to. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating The only thing that I have heard bad about doing this is that the battery contacts could oxidize. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Given that 89% of the time, the laptop is running off direct juice rather than battery, should I remove the battery save only those few occasions when I need it? Will the power still work from the wire if the battery is absent? I think that in the year I've owned this machine, I actually depended on its battery for about an hour. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jun 8 04:25:02 2007 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:25:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting the auditing in Local Security Policy Message-ID: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFF24@ALCEXLG1> Morning all I find myself in the position of having to build and install around 15 computers next week, and I'm trying to make as many shortcuts as I can... to that end I've got a lot of batch files that install registry entries and the like, for internet proxy servers, DNS servers etc, and I'm trying to find a way to set the auditing policy part of the Local Security Policy via registry keys, but I'm not having much luck finding it in regedit, or on google... Does anyone have any ideas that would point me in the right direction? Thanks Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 8 06:45:25 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:45:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting the auditing in Local Security Policy In-Reply-To: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFF24@ALCEXLG1> Message-ID: <20070608114527.30878BD27@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> If the computers are identical make / model, use casper XP or something like it to clone the drive of one fully setup machine to all the others. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:25 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting the auditing in Local Security Policy Morning all I find myself in the position of having to build and install around 15 computers next week, and I'm trying to make as many shortcuts as I can... to that end I've got a lot of batch files that install registry entries and the like, for internet proxy servers, DNS servers etc, and I'm trying to find a way to set the auditing policy part of the Local Security Policy via registry keys, but I'm not having much luck finding it in regedit, or on google... Does anyone have any ideas that would point me in the right direction? Thanks Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Jun 8 07:25:15 2007 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:25:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com><20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> <001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts> Message-ID: <000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800> Robert, can you please tell us what these problems are? I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on other drives with no failures. thanks Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the > product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with > several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version 10. > They rarely seem to correct existing problems. > > > > WBR > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one > machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install > problam dating back to at least version 8. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John, > > I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this > hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that > the > registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry > from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at > one point my drive took down his own machine! > > I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: > first time, every time! > > Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >> Steve, >> >> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >> >> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >> original data recovered. >> >> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >> >> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. >> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >> >> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >> raid protected storage. >> >> John W. Colby > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 8 08:04:16 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:04:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <20070608130418.31C47BD4B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Folks, I just did my laptop last night. It worked fine, moved all the system/data to the USB drive, which for whatever reason would NOT boot even though the PC claimed to be able to boot off of USB. I suspect that problem might be the fact that the internal drive is SATA where the drive out in the USB is IDE. Whatever the reason I can't boot off of the resulting drive, hanging off the USB port. As for problems, the user interface is totally "wizard driven". I had a little problem figuring things out but in the end it worked. HOWEVER, one of the screens had a set of three radio buttons, the default of which was plainly labeled "destroy source data". Now why you would want to destroy source data is beyond me, and why it would be the DEFAULT is beyond me, and why there is no "are you SURE you want to delete the source data" warning is beyond me. Let me simply say that I wasn't paying close enough attention. I copied the data from my laptop to my external USB disk and when I was done my laptop wouldn't boot. And it took me several hours of screwing around trying valiantly to rescue my unrescuable laptop drive before I simply copied the data from the USB back to my laptop. It was at that point that I discovered the "destroy source data" radio button, UNCHECKED IT, and ended up with my laptop booting again AND a copy out on my USB drive, which was what I originally intended. Anyway, as Lembit said, "the only problem I had was a misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems". It did function, it functioned well, it allowed me to resize the partitions etc. I like to run a dedicated swap file partition which was not on my laptop originally. Whereas I would NOT have gone through the agony that I went through just to get that dedicated swap file partition, I did so once it became obvious that I had to recover my partition. One other weirdness is that after copying the system/data back to the laptop from the USB drive, the Bluetooth insisted on reinstalling itself. The old "new stuff found" message. So... It works. Just be on the lookout for a radio button that has you deleting the source data. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Robert, can you please tell us what these problems are? I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on other drives with no failures. thanks Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the > product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with > several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version 10. > They rarely seem to correct existing problems. > > > > WBR > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one > machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install > problam dating back to at least version 8. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John, > > I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this > hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that > the > registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry > from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at > one point my drive took down his own machine! > > I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: > first time, every time! > > Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >> Steve, >> >> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >> >> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >> original data recovered. >> >> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >> >> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. >> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >> >> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >> raid protected storage. >> >> John W. Colby > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Jun 8 08:44:11 2007 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:44:11 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC References: <20070608130418.31C47BD4B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <001301c7a9d3$18b30ed0$1800a8c0@s1800> John, IIRC, they say this 'destroy source data' is for cases where you want to replace the system drive. still, I would not do it. just make an image of your system drive and extract it to the new drive, and here is where I had the problem. there is a screen which lets you chose the drive from the image, which I took as 'chose the target' and did not dare to go on, since I did not want to copy it over the existing sysem. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Folks, > > I just did my laptop last night. It worked fine, moved all the > system/data > to the USB drive, which for whatever reason would NOT boot even though the > PC claimed to be able to boot off of USB. I suspect that problem might be > the fact that the internal drive is SATA where the drive out in the USB is > IDE. Whatever the reason I can't boot off of the resulting drive, hanging > off the USB port. > > As for problems, the user interface is totally "wizard driven". I had a > little problem figuring things out but in the end it worked. HOWEVER, one > of the screens had a set of three radio buttons, the default of which was > plainly labeled "destroy source data". Now why you would want to destroy > source data is beyond me, and why it would be the DEFAULT is beyond me, > and > why there is no "are you SURE you want to delete the source data" warning > is > beyond me. Let me simply say that I wasn't paying close enough attention. > I copied the data from my laptop to my external USB disk and when I was > done > my laptop wouldn't boot. > > And it took me several hours of screwing around trying valiantly to rescue > my unrescuable laptop drive before I simply copied the data from the USB > back to my laptop. It was at that point that I discovered the "destroy > source data" radio button, UNCHECKED IT, and ended up with my laptop > booting > again AND a copy out on my USB drive, which was what I originally > intended. > > Anyway, as Lembit said, "the only problem I had was a misinterpretation on > one screen, but once I got it, no problems". > > It did function, it functioned well, it allowed me to resize the > partitions > etc. I like to run a dedicated swap file partition which was not on my > laptop originally. Whereas I would NOT have gone through the agony that I > went through just to get that dedicated swap file partition, I did so once > it became obvious that I had to recover my partition. > > One other weirdness is that after copying the system/data back to the > laptop > from the USB drive, the Bluetooth insisted on reinstalling itself. The > old > "new stuff found" message. > > So... It works. Just be on the lookout for a radio button that has you > deleting the source data. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Robert, > can you please tell us what these problems are? > I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a > misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. > have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on > other drives with no failures. > > thanks > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > >> Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the >> product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with >> several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version >> 10. >> They rarely seem to correct existing problems. >> >> >> >> WBR >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one >> machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install >> problam dating back to at least version 8. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> John, >> >> I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this >> hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that >> the >> registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the >> registry >> from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at >> one point my drive took down his own machine! >> >> I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: >> first time, every time! >> >> Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> >> >> On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >>> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >>> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >>> >>> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >>> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >>> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >>> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >>> original data recovered. >>> >>> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >>> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >>> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >>> >>> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True >>> Image. >>> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >>> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >>> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >>> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >>> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >>> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >>> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >>> >>> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >>> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >>> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >>> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >>> raid protected storage. >>> >>> John W. Colby >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: >> 07.06.2007 > >> 14:21 >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > > From robert at servicexp.com Fri Jun 8 09:35:41 2007 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:35:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com><20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com><001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts> <000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <002a01c7a9da$4ad8b7f0$0401a8c0@roberts> Lambit, Here are my top 5 1) Dialog boxes that open up behind other model boxes, so you can not read the message or proceed. Version 7-present.. 2) Very difficult to get a (Direct Burn) clean, non corrupted image that span across multiply DVD's. There are ways around this though. Version 9-present 3) Corrupted Boot Disks. This one is more complicated, as in version 9 in later builds this seemed to be corrected but in version 10 it came back. Also it's difficult to say what is causing the problem. When you boot the machine from the TI boot disk, and load FULL support, the systems hangs and does nothing. This happens on all 3 of my machines, so I'm thinking it's a problem in the creation of the boot disks. Version 7-present 4) Huge problem in scheduled backup's. This is in my opinion the 2nd biggest problem. 8 out 10 backup (full image or otherwise) TI simply fails. The backup throws a error to the effect that it could not back up file XXXX, and just stops, waiting for user intervention. Version 10 5) I have had several corrupted images that were completely unusable. This is very frustrating because I always use the "verify backup" switch, and yet somehow several were corrupted..... This is my #1 problem. Versions 9-Present This just goes to show you how much a user will put up with junk software.. As I still use TI... ;-) I'm not sure what that says about me..:-) There just seems to be very little out there that is easy to use, feature rich and simply works... WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Robert, can you please tell us what these problems are? I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on other drives with no failures. thanks Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the > product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with > several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version 10. > They rarely seem to correct existing problems. > > > > WBR > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one > machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install > problam dating back to at least version 8. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > John, > > I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this > hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that > the > registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the registry > from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at > one point my drive took down his own machine! > > I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: > first time, every time! > > Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >> Steve, >> >> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >> >> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >> original data recovered. >> >> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >> >> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True Image. >> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >> >> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >> raid protected storage. >> >> John W. Colby > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Jun 8 10:22:44 2007 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:22:44 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com><20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com><001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts><000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800> <002a01c7a9da$4ad8b7f0$0401a8c0@roberts> Message-ID: <001201c7a9e0$dcf460c0$1800a8c0@s1800> Robert, 1) - have not noticed that so far 2) - I have so far only used HD to store images - I dont trust DVDs and CDs too much. 3) - my boot disks work just fine. have used them a lot on several machines 4) - I did have some problem at the beginning when I ran backup every day at PC-shutdown. turned out to be my mistake ( AFAICR, not enough disk space or some such) 5) - have been lucky so far have you discussed the problems in their forum? Lembit (not Lambit) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Lambit, > Here are my top 5 > 1) Dialog boxes that open up behind other model boxes, so you can not read > the message or proceed. Version 7-present.. > 2) Very difficult to get a (Direct Burn) clean, non corrupted image that > span across multiply DVD's. There are ways around this though. Version > 9-present > 3) Corrupted Boot Disks. This one is more complicated, as in version 9 in > later builds this seemed to be corrected but in version 10 it came back. > Also it's difficult to say what is causing the problem. When you boot the > machine from the TI boot disk, and load FULL support, the systems hangs > and > does nothing. This happens on all 3 of my machines, so I'm thinking it's a > problem in the creation of the boot disks. Version 7-present > 4) Huge problem in scheduled backup's. This is in my opinion the 2nd > biggest > problem. 8 out 10 backup (full image or otherwise) TI simply fails. The > backup throws a error to the effect that it could not back up file XXXX, > and > just stops, waiting for user intervention. Version 10 > 5) I have had several corrupted images that were completely unusable. This > is very frustrating because I always use the "verify backup" switch, and > yet > somehow several were corrupted..... This is my #1 problem. Versions > 9-Present > > This just goes to show you how much a user will put up with junk > software.. > As I still use TI... ;-) I'm not sure what that says about me..:-) > > There just seems to be very little out there that is easy to use, feature > rich and simply works... > > > WBR > Robert > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Robert, > can you please tell us what these problems are? > I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a > misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. > have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on > other drives with no failures. > > thanks > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > >> Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the >> product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with >> several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version >> 10. >> They rarely seem to correct existing problems. >> >> >> >> WBR >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one >> machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install >> problam dating back to at least version 8. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> John, >> >> I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this >> hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that >> the >> registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the >> registry >> from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at >> one point my drive took down his own machine! >> >> I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: >> first time, every time! >> >> Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> >> >> On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >>> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >>> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >>> >>> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >>> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >>> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >>> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >>> original data recovered. >>> >>> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >>> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >>> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >>> >>> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True >>> Image. >>> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >>> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >>> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >>> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >>> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >>> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >>> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >>> >>> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >>> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >>> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >>> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >>> raid protected storage. >>> >>> John W. Colby >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: >> 07.06.2007 > >> 14:21 >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > > From robert at servicexp.com Fri Jun 8 10:35:33 2007 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <001201c7a9e0$dcf460c0$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com><20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com><001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts><000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800><002a01c7a9da$4ad8b7f0$0401a8c0@roberts> <001201c7a9e0$dcf460c0$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <002b01c7a9e2$a7a8a960$0401a8c0@roberts> Oh my.. So sorry Lembit... :-( I have several outstanding "service tickets", going. As you may know their support is a bit sloooooow.. There are other people with the same unresolved issues that I have... WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Robert, 1) - have not noticed that so far 2) - I have so far only used HD to store images - I dont trust DVDs and CDs too much. 3) - my boot disks work just fine. have used them a lot on several machines 4) - I did have some problem at the beginning when I ran backup every day at PC-shutdown. turned out to be my mistake ( AFAICR, not enough disk space or some such) 5) - have been lucky so far have you discussed the problems in their forum? Lembit (not Lambit) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Lambit, > Here are my top 5 > 1) Dialog boxes that open up behind other model boxes, so you can not read > the message or proceed. Version 7-present.. > 2) Very difficult to get a (Direct Burn) clean, non corrupted image that > span across multiply DVD's. There are ways around this though. Version > 9-present > 3) Corrupted Boot Disks. This one is more complicated, as in version 9 in > later builds this seemed to be corrected but in version 10 it came back. > Also it's difficult to say what is causing the problem. When you boot the > machine from the TI boot disk, and load FULL support, the systems hangs > and > does nothing. This happens on all 3 of my machines, so I'm thinking it's a > problem in the creation of the boot disks. Version 7-present > 4) Huge problem in scheduled backup's. This is in my opinion the 2nd > biggest > problem. 8 out 10 backup (full image or otherwise) TI simply fails. The > backup throws a error to the effect that it could not back up file XXXX, > and > just stops, waiting for user intervention. Version 10 > 5) I have had several corrupted images that were completely unusable. This > is very frustrating because I always use the "verify backup" switch, and > yet > somehow several were corrupted..... This is my #1 problem. Versions > 9-Present > > This just goes to show you how much a user will put up with junk > software.. > As I still use TI... ;-) I'm not sure what that says about me..:-) > > There just seems to be very little out there that is easy to use, feature > rich and simply works... > > > WBR > Robert > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Robert, > can you please tell us what these problems are? > I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a > misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. > have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on > other drives with no failures. > > thanks > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > >> Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the >> product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with >> several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version >> 10. >> They rarely seem to correct existing problems. >> >> >> >> WBR >> Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one >> machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this install >> problam dating back to at least version 8. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> John, >> >> I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this >> hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that >> the >> registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the >> registry >> from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that at >> one point my drive took down his own machine! >> >> I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: >> first time, every time! >> >> Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> >> >> On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >>> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >>> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >>> >>> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >>> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >>> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >>> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >>> original data recovered. >>> >>> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >>> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >>> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >>> >>> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True >>> Image. >>> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >>> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >>> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >>> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >>> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >>> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >>> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >>> >>> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >>> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >>> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >>> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >>> raid protected storage. >>> >>> John W. Colby >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: >> 07.06.2007 > >> 14:21 >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Jun 8 10:50:24 2007 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:50:24 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC References: <39cb22f30706061924k15d2b8d4ld98bc9efd2dec9fa@mail.gmail.com><20070607025536.761A3BC6E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com><001801c7a8f6$bc418460$0401a8c0@roberts><000c01c7a9c8$11ed0d90$1800a8c0@s1800><002a01c7a9da$4ad8b7f0$0401a8c0@roberts><001201c7a9e0$dcf460c0$1800a8c0@s1800> <002b01c7a9e2$a7a8a960$0401a8c0@roberts> Message-ID: <000401c7a9e4$ba5f8bd0$1800a8c0@s1800> no problem, Robert. :) In my case, I had a good support. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > Oh my.. So sorry Lembit... :-( > > I have several outstanding "service tickets", going. As you may know their > support is a bit sloooooow.. There are other people with the same > unresolved > issues that I have... > > > > WBR > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:23 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Robert, > 1) - have not noticed that so far > 2) - I have so far only used HD to store images - I dont trust DVDs and > CDs > too much. > 3) - my boot disks work just fine. have used them a lot on several > machines > 4) - I did have some problem at the beginning when I ran backup every day > at > PC-shutdown. turned out to be my mistake ( AFAICR, not enough disk space > or > some such) > 5) - have been lucky so far > > have you discussed the problems in their forum? > > Lembit (not Lambit) :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > >> Lambit, >> Here are my top 5 >> 1) Dialog boxes that open up behind other model boxes, so you can not >> read >> the message or proceed. Version 7-present.. >> 2) Very difficult to get a (Direct Burn) clean, non corrupted image that >> span across multiply DVD's. There are ways around this though. Version >> 9-present >> 3) Corrupted Boot Disks. This one is more complicated, as in version 9 in >> later builds this seemed to be corrected but in version 10 it came back. >> Also it's difficult to say what is causing the problem. When you boot the >> machine from the TI boot disk, and load FULL support, the systems hangs >> and >> does nothing. This happens on all 3 of my machines, so I'm thinking it's >> a >> problem in the creation of the boot disks. Version 7-present >> 4) Huge problem in scheduled backup's. This is in my opinion the 2nd >> biggest >> problem. 8 out 10 backup (full image or otherwise) TI simply fails. The >> backup throws a error to the effect that it could not back up file XXXX, >> and >> just stops, waiting for user intervention. Version 10 >> 5) I have had several corrupted images that were completely unusable. >> This >> is very frustrating because I always use the "verify backup" switch, and >> yet >> somehow several were corrupted..... This is my #1 problem. Versions >> 9-Present >> >> This just goes to show you how much a user will put up with junk >> software.. >> As I still use TI... ;-) I'm not sure what that says about me..:-) >> >> There just seems to be very little out there that is easy to use, feature >> rich and simply works... >> >> >> WBR >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> Robert, >> can you please tell us what these problems are? >> I am using Acronis True Image 10 Home, and the only problem I had was a >> misinterpretation on one screen, but once I got it, no problems. >> have done many images of system- and other drives and installed them on >> other drives with no failures. >> >> thanks >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert" >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >> >> >>> Be very careful with Acronis TrueImage, with out going into detail, the >>> product seems to get worse with every update. I have been dealing with >>> several known issues from version 7, on top of new problems in version >>> 10. >>> They rarely seem to correct existing problems. >>> >>> >>> >>> WBR >>> Robert >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:56 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >>> >>> Well, my saga with TrueImage is beginning. It refuses to install on one >>> machine, I haven't tried it on any others yet. Google shows this >>> install >>> problam dating back to at least version 8. >>> >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:25 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC >>> >>> John, >>> >>> I took the drive to my sysadmin at work and he hooked it up with this >>> hydra-headed connector to an external IDE drive controller. He saw that >>> the >>> registry was, indeed hosed. He was able, however, to rebuild the >>> registry >>> from a restoration point made Saturday morning. He said, though, that >>> at >>> one point my drive took down his own machine! >>> >>> I got the drive plugged back in and it was like it was a Bic pen: >>> first time, every time! >>> >>> Now to begin the removal of Symantec products from my system... >>> >>> Steve Erbach >>> Neenah, WI >>> >>> >>> On 6/5/07, jwcolby wrote: >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> I decided to try True Image 10. I have just had all I can stand from >>>> Symantec, their tech support is about as bad as it gets. True image >>>> is available through NewEgg for $35 including shipping. >>>> >>>> My biggest issue with this stuff is actually trying a restore. I read >>>> one service site that said "never do a restore over existing data" >>>> (they were talking images here). The reason is simple, if the restore >>>> fails you have hosed whatever chance you might have had of getting the >>>> original data recovered. >>>> >>>> Of course that means getting another disk large enough to perform the >>>> restore on, and of course in the case of a laptop, which will >>>> physically fit in the machine once you are done recovering the backup. >>>> >>>> I was reading a side by side review of Symantec's product and True >>>> Image. >>>> The author stated that he was a die hard fan of the Symantec product >>>> until the latest versions started creating corrupt backups. While the >>>> product would say that things failed in the LOG FILE, it never >>>> actually said so on the screen, so the only way to know whether you >>>> got a good backup was go read the log file. Which of course the >>>> average Joe will not think is required. In fact the author was burned >>>> and discovered this when his backup was corrupt. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I am going to do this stuff once I get my software. Get a >>>> good image of both my laptop and my wife's laptop, then get both >>>> backing up critical data. I have already moved my family photos off >>>> onto the Raid 6 system, and have a backup area out on that machine for >>>> raid protected storage. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: >>> 07.06.2007 >> >>> 14:21 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: >> 07.06.2007 > >> 14:21 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 > 14:21 > > From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Fri Jun 8 11:26:12 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:26:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070608130418.31C47BD4B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Fri Jun 8 11:27:33 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:27:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <00c601c7a965$be9d4f40$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: ROFL Jim H -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating "suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation?" Had a girl friend like that once. "work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching?" Yeah, that was her. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Why does my Tosh Tecra 3 laptop with 2GB RAM and 60GB disk suddenly begin to overheat after a year of faithful operation? Can I run her without the battery? Just plugged into the AC? Is there a difference? Why should it work for almost a year and then start whining and belly-aching? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Fri Jun 8 11:33:27 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:33:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating In-Reply-To: <002601c7a96f$2ae12290$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Message-ID: I have always assumed that those batteries will go dead (like many camera batteries) if not periodically recharged. I have 2 laptop batteries that I swap out at least once every several months so that they don't discharge all the way down. This is just an assumption on my part, however. Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating The only thing that I have heard bad about doing this is that the battery contacts could oxidize. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Overheating Given that 89% of the time, the laptop is running off direct juice rather than battery, should I remove the battery save only those few occasions when I need it? Will the power still work from the wire if the battery is absent? I think that in the year I've owned this machine, I actually depended on its battery for about an hour. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 8 12:46:38 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:46:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070608174639.3DCB8BC63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Fri Jun 8 13:21:23 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:21:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070608174639.3DCB8BC63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: Thanks, makes sense, I'm going to give this a try. Jim H -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 13:30:12 2007 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer Message-ID: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. Requirements: Printing pictures for ID tags Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) Making copies of new employee paperwork The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? Thanks, Rusty ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Fri Jun 8 13:36:37 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:36:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer In-Reply-To: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does it have to be able to print pink slips? :-). I have had the same problem (the low end HPs handle up to about 120 lb paper but not very well) and have been looking at the Xerox models. Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:30 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. Requirements: Printing pictures for ID tags Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) Making copies of new employee paperwork The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? Thanks, Rusty ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:48:13 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:48:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer In-Reply-To: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> References: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Rusty Hammond wrote: > We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. > > Requirements: > Printing pictures for ID tags > Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) > Making copies of new employee paperwork > > The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. > > Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? We've got an HP 4700 dtn that will print on 90 lb card stock with no problems. I've used the regular printing path with no problems what so ever. I know others that have had problems, but I personally haven't and I've done runs of up to 20 pieces of card stock at once. The biggest trick I've found with printing on card stock is don't tell the printer that it's card stock. Tell the printer its regular paper. Seems to work better. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:48:13 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:48:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer In-Reply-To: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> References: <616576.64172.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Rusty Hammond wrote: > We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. > > Requirements: > Printing pictures for ID tags > Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) > Making copies of new employee paperwork > > The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. > > Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? We've got an HP 4700 dtn that will print on 90 lb card stock with no problems. I've used the regular printing path with no problems what so ever. I know others that have had problems, but I personally haven't and I've done runs of up to 20 pieces of card stock at once. The biggest trick I've found with printing on card stock is don't tell the printer that it's card stock. Tell the printer its regular paper. Seems to work better. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 14:11:27 2007 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer Message-ID: <647310.66850.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Bryan, I'll take a look at that one. We have another color laser in another office and it seems like it was jamming on us with the cover pages. I'll take at look at the 4700 dtn. Rusty ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 1:48:13 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer On 6/8/07, Rusty Hammond wrote: > We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. > > Requirements: > Printing pictures for ID tags > Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) > Making copies of new employee paperwork > > The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. > > Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? We've got an HP 4700 dtn that will print on 90 lb card stock with no problems. I've used the regular printing path with no problems what so ever. I know others that have had problems, but I personally haven't and I've done runs of up to 20 pieces of card stock at once. The biggest trick I've found with printing on card stock is don't tell the printer that it's card stock. Tell the printer its regular paper. Seems to work better. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 14:13:24 2007 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer Message-ID: <520128.89028.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, I was just starting to look at the Xerox models too but wasn't finding information on what weight of paper they handle, although I haven't looked real hard yet. If you find one that works let me know. Thanks, Rusty ----- Original Message ---- From: "Hale, Jim" To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 1:36:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer Does it have to be able to print pink slips? :-). I have had the same problem (the low end HPs handle up to about 120 lb paper but not very well) and have been looking at the Xerox models. Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:30 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a printer/multifunction printer We're looking for a color printer for our HR person. Requirements: Printing pictures for ID tags Cover pages for Employee handbook - is a textured heavy paper (like card stock) Making copies of new employee paperwork The one that really seems to stump us with some of the printers we've tried is the heavy paper. I've seen some laser printers that allow have an option to open a paper output tray in the back which allows for a straight thru paper path. Anyone out there using anything that they can suggest? Thanks, Rusty ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From fahooper at trapo.com Sat Jun 9 04:10:11 2007 From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:10:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070608174639.3DCB8BC63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <018b01c7aa75$fc20c4d0$65cee044@fredxp> sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 9 08:29:38 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:29:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <018b01c7aa75$fc20c4d0$65cee044@fredxp> Message-ID: <20070609132940.3C70DC54F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Isn't this cute: "Many sources recommend using a swap file several times as large as your system memory, though a large file takes longer to search through. A good setting is 2.5 times the amount of system memory. So a PC with 256MB of RAM should have a 640MB swap file." PC Magazine 3/11/2003 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 9 08:30:52 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:30:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <018b01c7aa75$fc20c4d0$65cee044@fredxp> Message-ID: <20070609133054.3BB84BF6B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Cool. Amazing the knowledge out there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 09:36:27 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:36:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070609133054.3BB84BF6B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <018b01c7aa75$fc20c4d0$65cee044@fredxp> <20070609133054.3BB84BF6B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706090736v7e9bbab2o20ec803ec2099353@mail.gmail.com> Given the date of said quotation, I wonder about its application to contemporary boxes. In my crowd, I'm one of the most impoverished, with a mere 2GB aboard. According to this rule, that makes a 5GB file. I know guys with 8GB aboard. Not that I'm disputing the validity of the measure; just wondering On 6/9/07, jwcolby wrote: > > Cool. Amazing the knowledge out there. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other > non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Jim, > > We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file > is > dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of > fragments, just the luck of the draw. > > The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size > swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no > fragmentation > so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on > the > main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed > size > so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but > won't get more fragmented. > > Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap > file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it > still > isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what > it is doing to "grow" the swap file. > > That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major > impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb > (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition > (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. > > In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on > EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file > on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have > no > idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > > What advantages have you > seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? > Jim Hale > > > *********************************************************************** > The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or > entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or > taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities > other > than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and > delete the material from any computer. 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No liability is accepted for any damages > caused > by any virus transmitted by this email. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jun 9 09:40:45 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:40:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC In-Reply-To: <20070609132940.3C70DC54F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <018b01c7aa75$fc20c4d0$65cee044@fredxp> <20070609132940.3C70DC54F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7aaa4$2a1f47c0$0200a8c0@jt2b> Yeah, that's what I always heard too, although when I did my MS course a couple of years ago, the trainer was saying that surely a pc with small amount of RAM would nee a bigger swap file, to make up for it... Made sense to me. I give all the PCs at work a 2gb swap file and be done with it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 09 June 2007 14:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Isn't this cute: "Many sources recommend using a swap file several times as large as your system memory, though a large file takes longer to search through. A good setting is 2.5 times the amount of system memory. So a PC with 256MB of RAM should have a 640MB swap file." PC Magazine 3/11/2003 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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It discusses XP and in general provides good info, I think. I'm off to check my own settings on my three boxes and server now. http://www.petri.co.il/pagefile_optimization.htm A. On 6/9/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > > Yeah, that's what I always heard too, although when I did my MS course a > couple of years ago, the trainer was saying that surely a pc with small > amount of RAM would nee a bigger swap file, to make up for it... > > Made sense to me. I give all the PCs at work a 2gb swap file and be done > with it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 09 June 2007 14:30 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Isn't this cute: > > "Many sources recommend using a swap file several times as large as your > system memory, though a large file takes longer to search through. A good > setting is 2.5 times the amount of system memory. So a PC with 256MB of > RAM > should have a 640MB swap file." > > PC Magazine 3/11/2003 > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other > non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > Jim, > > We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file > is > dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of > fragments, just the luck of the draw. > > The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size > swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no > fragmentation > so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on > the > main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed > size > so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but > won't get more fragmented. > > Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap > file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it > still > isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what > it is doing to "grow" the swap file. > > That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major > impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb > (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition > (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. > > In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on > EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file > on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have > no > idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC > > > What advantages have you > seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? > Jim Hale > > > *********************************************************************** > The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or > entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or > taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities > other > than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and > delete the material from any computer. 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There is an upper limit that the wizard will not allow you to exceed, which IIRC is twice the ram size. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Yeah, that's what I always heard too, although when I did my MS course a couple of years ago, the trainer was saying that surely a pc with small amount of RAM would nee a bigger swap file, to make up for it... Made sense to me. I give all the PCs at work a 2gb swap file and be done with it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 09 June 2007 14:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Isn't this cute: "Many sources recommend using a swap file several times as large as your system memory, though a large file takes longer to search through. A good setting is 2.5 times the amount of system memory. So a PC with 256MB of RAM should have a 640MB swap file." PC Magazine 3/11/2003 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC Jim, We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of fragments, just the luck of the draw. The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation so the swap file is never fragmented. If you must put your swap file on the main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size so that it never changes. It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but won't get more fragmented. Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still isn't fragmented. However you will see some speed impact as it stops what it is doing to "grow" the swap file. That's the theory. Does it work that way? Yes. Does it have a major impact? How do you tell? Does it "waste space"? Yea. But with a 93gb (real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition (for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank. In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on EACH disk. Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk. I have no idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Petulant PC What advantages have you seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big? Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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A blogger mentioned not being able to find it in 2003 -- it should be there. It doesn't seem like the kind of feature that Exchange would limit -- but is this possible? Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jun 12 11:33:18 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu Message-ID: <005601c7ad0f$62f02b10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: When I click start I get three columns of programs but since I'm in 800x600 the third column is off the screen to the right. Other than deleting the number of programs or sorting them into folders (or going to a higher screen resolution which I don't want to do) is there any way to reformat this screen to show more programs? TIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 11:49:08 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:49:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Message-ID: <29f585dd0706120949v1d824ce8h81713789eb4aca99@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know how RealPlayer stores its data? I would like to inhale my Real db into Access, with all the disc and track info. I have approximately 1000 CDs recorded so far (1/3 the way through the stack) and I would love to have all the info in an Access db. Arthur From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 12 12:15:03 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:15:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu In-Reply-To: <005601c7ad0f$62f02b10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <005601c7ad0f$62f02b10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <02fc01c7ad15$37b55e60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Rocky, You can do this if you change the task properties (right click on the task bar and choose properties) to "Classic Start Menu" and then customize. Scroll down the Advanced Start Menu Options and check "Scroll Programs". Click OK and OK. Task bar should now list things in one menu and show arrows at the bottom (and when scrolling down at the top) . Place your cursor on the arrow and the programs menu will scroll up (or down). HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu Dear List: When I click start I get three columns of programs but since I'm in 800x600 the third column is off the screen to the right. Other than deleting the number of programs or sorting them into folders (or going to a higher screen resolution which I don't want to do) is there any way to reformat this screen to show more programs? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jun 12 13:01:24 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:01:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu In-Reply-To: <02fc01c7ad15$37b55e60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <005d01c7ad1b$b0ec31e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Perfect. Thanks John. Didn't know I had that much control over Windows (probably an illusion anyway) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start Menu Hi Rocky, You can do this if you change the task properties (right click on the task bar and choose properties) to "Classic Start Menu" and then customize. Scroll down the Advanced Start Menu Options and check "Scroll Programs". Click OK and OK. Task bar should now list things in one menu and show arrows at the bottom (and when scrolling down at the top) . Place your cursor on the arrow and the programs menu will scroll up (or down). HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu Dear List: When I click start I get three columns of programs but since I'm in 800x600 the third column is off the screen to the right. Other than deleting the number of programs or sorting them into folders (or going to a higher screen resolution which I don't want to do) is there any way to reformat this screen to show more programs? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 12 13:39:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Start Menu In-Reply-To: <005d01c7ad1b$b0ec31e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <02fc01c7ad15$37b55e60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <005d01c7ad1b$b0ec31e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <033b01c7ad21$08bf28a0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Its all smoke and mirrors. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start Menu Perfect. Thanks John. Didn't know I had that much control over Windows (probably an illusion anyway) From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 12 14:47:06 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:47:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706120949v1d824ce8h81713789eb4aca99@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706120949v1d824ce8h81713789eb4aca99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <036801c7ad2a$75c8e400$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Arthur, I couldn't even find the database for RealPlayer's library. It wasn't where the preferences said it should be. One suggestion would be to see if MusicMatch Player can import it. MusicMatch's library is an mdb file. If that doesn't work (I coouldn't try it since I couldn't find RealPlayer's library) another thought would be to ave RealPlayer load it all into a portable player and then use MusicMatch and suck it back out of the portable player into its own library. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Does anyone know how RealPlayer stores its data? I would like to inhale my Real db into Access, with all the disc and track info. I have approximately 1000 CDs recorded so far (1/3 the way through the stack) and I would love to have all the info in an Access db. From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jun 12 15:00:16 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:00:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? In-Reply-To: <036801c7ad2a$75c8e400$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <29f585dd0706120949v1d824ce8h81713789eb4aca99@mail.gmail.com> <036801c7ad2a$75c8e400$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <003a01c7ad2c$4bfb5fc0$0200a8c0@jt2b> I don't know about the real player database, but I've got an excel macro that will search a location (whatever you tell it to search) for MP3 or WMA files, and list them all by folder name, artist and track name (although I suppose it depends on your naming convention in the "save as" options). I imagine it'd be easy enough to get this data into access if you wanted to. Works well enough for me to give to people who want to "swap" mp3's. Let me know if you want a copy, I'll post the code. Have to be tomorrow as it's on my work pc. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 12 June 2007 20:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Hi Arthur, I couldn't even find the database for RealPlayer's library. It wasn't where the preferences said it should be. One suggestion would be to see if MusicMatch Player can import it. MusicMatch's library is an mdb file. If that doesn't work (I coouldn't try it since I couldn't find RealPlayer's library) another thought would be to ave RealPlayer load it all into a portable player and then use MusicMatch and suck it back out of the portable player into its own library. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Does anyone know how RealPlayer stores its data? I would like to inhale my Real db into Access, with all the disc and track info. I have approximately 1000 CDs recorded so far (1/3 the way through the stack) and I would love to have all the info in an Access db. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 13 00:38:13 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:38:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker Message-ID: <20070613053814.022ACBCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Man is this thing cool!!! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 13 06:10:03 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:10:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker In-Reply-To: <20070613053814.022ACBCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <20070613053814.022ACBCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <000301c7adab$64484820$0200a8c0@danwaters> John - what's the URL? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker Man is this thing cool!!! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 13 06:17:41 2007 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:17:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Message-ID: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73CFF8F@ALCEXLG1> Here's the code, as promised - file sent to Arthur off list. Jon Sub GetFileList() Dim iCtr As Integer Dim x As String On Error GoTo HandlErr Cells.Select Selection.ClearContents Range("A1").Select x = InputBox("Please use the format: c:\music\", "Where do you want to search?") With Application.FileSearch .NewSearch .LookIn = x .SearchSubFolders = True .Filename = "*." & ActiveSheet.Name If .Execute > 0 Then For iCtr = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count Cells(iCtr, 1).Value = .FoundFiles(iCtr) Next iCtr End If End With HandlErr: Exit Sub End Sub -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Does anyone know how RealPlayer stores its data? I would like to inhale my Real db into Access, with all the disc and track info. I have approximately 1000 CDs recorded so far (1/3 the way through the stack) and I would love to have all the info in an Access db. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 13 08:10:54 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:10:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker In-Reply-To: <000301c7adab$64484820$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <20070613131055.493C1BF3F@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Just google nLite: http://www.nliteos.com/ Way cool. I set up a slipstream Win2003 bootable install disk with my raid drivers already installed (no F6 boot floppy). It also allows you to set all those defaults that are asked for later, time zone, language, etc. It also allowed me to REPLACE the ADMINISTRATOR with jwColby, complete with my login password. I will be doing another to also slipstream the chipset drivers for the motherboard. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker John - what's the URL? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nLite - Slipstream maker Man is this thing cool!!! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jun 13 12:37:57 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:37:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Message-ID: Hi Arthur and John I guess it's in: C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Real\RealPlayer\History (collection of shortcuts) and: C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Real\RealPlayer\db (dbf files with track info etc.) /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 12-06-2007 21:47 >>> Hi Arthur, I couldn't even find the database for RealPlayer's library. It wasn't where the preferences said it should be. One suggestion would be to see if MusicMatch Player can import it. MusicMatch's library is an mdb file. If that doesn't work (I coouldn't try it since I couldn't find RealPlayer's library) another thought would be to ave RealPlayer load it all into a portable player and then use MusicMatch and suck it back out of the portable player into its own library. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RealPlayer db format? Does anyone know how RealPlayer stores its data? I would like to inhale my Real db into Access, with all the disc and track info. I have approximately 1000 CDs recorded so far (1/3 the way through the stack) and I would love to have all the info in an Access db. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 13:07:02 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:07:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law Message-ID: <29f585dd0706131107g68e6bfbbt402dc421a0eb5c52@mail.gmail.com> I didn't write this but I shall claim it as my 16th law: http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0&disp=vah&view=att&th=113263c3f31e3d4b I know it's not friday but I had to share. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 13 13:43:50 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:43:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706131107g68e6bfbbt402dc421a0eb5c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070613184352.92855BD90@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> ROTFL. It is a login page to Google email for me. I always knew you were odd... ;-) John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law I didn't write this but I shall claim it as my 16th law: http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0&disp=vah&view=att&th=113263c3f31e3d4b I know it's not friday but I had to share. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jun 13 16:52:49 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:52:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706131107g68e6bfbbt402dc421a0eb5c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006d01c7ae05$2fb5edb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> That link just gets us to the 'Welcome to Gmail' page. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law I didn't write this but I shall claim it as my 16th law: http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0&disp=vah&view=att&th=113263c3f31e3d4b I know it's not friday but I had to share. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Jun 13 17:00:32 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:00:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law In-Reply-To: <006d01c7ae05$2fb5edb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0706131107g68e6bfbbt402dc421a0eb5c52@mail.gmail.com> <006d01c7ae05$2fb5edb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002601c7ae06$43a4a950$0200a8c0@jt2b> Maybe that's the law? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 13 June 2007 22:53 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law That link just gets us to the 'Welcome to Gmail' page. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law I didn't write this but I shall claim it as my 16th law: http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0&disp=vah&view=att&th=113263c3f31e3d4b I know it's not friday but I had to share. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 13 17:58:42 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:58:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706131107g68e6bfbbt402dc421a0eb5c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJL00IGEJLIXDS2@l-daemon> Hi Arthur: Just like John, this link fails and I do have a gmail account. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Fuller's 16th law I didn't write this but I shall claim it as my 16th law: http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0&disp=vah&view=att&th=113263c3f31e3d4b I know it's not friday but I had to share. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 07:25:28 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:25:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio Message-ID: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and DVDs without a problem. Does anyone have suggestions? TIA, Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 14 07:31:38 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:31:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Hold a s?ance with a mystic. Try to establish contact with the "radio" and ask it if it needs to communicate with someone. Probably once it communicates, it will go away. OTOH, it may have a huge audience and you will spend the rest of your life dragging individuals over to communicate with your radio. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and DVDs without a problem. Does anyone have suggestions? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 07:44:54 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:44:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706140544r6da30b23m7fc21339b0a20e13@mail.gmail.com> Well, that just cost me a hundred bucks, and she left before she got here. She-it. On 6/14/07, jwcolby wrote: > > Hold a s?ance with a mystic. Try to establish contact with the "radio" > and > ask it if it needs to communicate with someone. Probably once it > communicates, it will go away. OTOH, it may have a huge audience and you > will spend the rest of your life dragging individuals over to communicate > with your radio. > From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Thu Jun 14 08:32:13 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:32:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: I find if you poke the voices with a Q tip they generally go away. Jim hale -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio Hold a s?ance with a mystic. Try to establish contact with the "radio" and ask it if it needs to communicate with someone. Probably once it communicates, it will go away. OTOH, it may have a huge audience and you will spend the rest of your life dragging individuals over to communicate with your radio. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and DVDs without a problem. Does anyone have suggestions? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Jun 14 11:06:23 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:06:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4671677F.7030309@shaw.ca> Deus ex machina Arthur Fuller wrote: >On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I >frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is >not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to >prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or >tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and >DVDs without a problem. > >Does anyone have suggestions? > >TIA, >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 14 11:33:56 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:33:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJM004QYWG53I21@l-daemon> Hi Arthur: I have heard of people's dental work picking up a station before... What does your sound card look like? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and DVDs without a problem. Does anyone have suggestions? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 14 11:31:33 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <024101c7aea1$7958d120$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Arthur, Some questions for you: Do you have a radio or television tuner card in the PC? Do you have an windows auto start program that connects to an online music source? Are they wireless speakers that have an adjustable frequency (which would allow you to tune out any interference)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. I frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer is not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD or tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and DVDs without a problem. From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 14 11:36:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:36:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <0JJM004QYWG53I21@l-daemon> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> <0JJM004QYWG53I21@l-daemon> Message-ID: <024201c7aea2$2f137dd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> LOL! A custom case issue, eh?! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:34 AM Hi Arthur: I have heard of people's dental work picking up a station before... What does your sound card look like? ;-) From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 14 11:36:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:36:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: References: <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <024301c7aea2$30129e50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> LOL! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:32 AM I find if you poke the voices with a Q tip they generally go away. Jim hale From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 14 11:36:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:36:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> <20070614123139.E3220BCF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <024401c7aea2$31926080$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> LOL! Just yesterday I had to fix a client's MS Word program because it was "haunted". One of the staff had written a personal letter on the office computer and now every time she opened Word it would bring the personal letter up as the template for the new document. She thought she was being punished by the office spook. Somehow she had managed to save the personal letter over the top of the "normal.dot" word template document - the one it opens when a new document is created :o) Having cured this problem by resetting the Normal template to the original settings minutes after arriving I am now qualified to be an exorcist :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Hold a s?ance with a mystic. Try to establish contact with the "radio" and ask it if it needs to communicate with someone. Probably once it communicates, it will go away. OTOH, it may have a huge audience and you will spend the rest of your life dragging individuals over to communicate with your radio. From drboz at pacbell.net Thu Jun 14 16:38:49 2007 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:38:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> <024101c7aea1$7958d120$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <013a01c7aecc$65b2da50$6501a8c0@don> Or perhaps another question... Do you live near and AM/FM transmitting station... say within a mile? If so, I would suspect that the card itself may have either poor design, or is in fact bad... due to a bad solder joint that acts more like a diode than a piece of wire.... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio > Arthur, > Some questions for you: > Do you have a radio or television tuner card in the PC? > Do you have an windows auto start program that connects to an online music > source? > Are they wireless speakers that have an adjustable frequency (which would > allow you to tune out any interference)? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. > I > frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer > is > not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to > prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD > or > tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and > DVDs without a problem. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 19:18:23 2007 From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:18:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sound card plays radio In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706140525h57fd7973w986c8c845c3aacff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c8826480706141718x59d043deq2351649f441cfaa7@mail.gmail.com> maybe it's just interference. i think i remember in a science class i took a long time ago we created a radio signal by tying a roll of toilet paper to a water pipe using wire. anyways what happens if you replace your speakers with earphones, do you still hear the radio? On 6/14/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > On one of my boxes, when I turn the speakers on, I immediately hear radio. > I > frequently play a radio in the same room, but the station on the computer > is > not the same one. I have no idea why this occurs, and thus no idea how to > prevent it. As soon as I put the sound to some use, such as playing a CD > or > tracks stored on the box, the radio sound disappears. I can record CDs and > DVDs without a problem. > > Does anyone have suggestions? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Billy Pang http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/ "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." - Italian proverb From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 21:06:25 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:06:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs Message-ID: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> Suppose that I wish to copy a CD, purely for backup purposes, with no intention of copyright violations? Must I purchase blank CDs to do this? The reason I ask is because the price of blank DVDs has plummeted to the point where there is almost no difference (price-wise) between CDs and DVDs. They are both around $.40 currently, in this neighbourhood. Actually, that might not be quite right. I think CDs are now more expensive, perhaps in the same way that hard disk prices work -- want a 20MB disk? It will cost you! A 250GB disk, I can sell you cheap, but 20MB, that's pricey. So the question is, should I wish to copy a CD, can I insert a DVD and it will do what I want? Or not? A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 15 16:48:37 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:48:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN Message-ID: <20070615214838.30D2BBD7B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I am trying to set up a "vpn" into my home office, mostly for my use while on the road. I have reviewed all of the consumer grade routers and it appears to be a crapshoot, with 1/2 of the users claiming it works great, the other half claim it doesn't work worth paying money for. And that is for every consumer grade router. So the first question is, are there any recommendations for a $200 or less router that will do more than VPN pass-through (handle the VPN tunnel inside of the router). Second, does anyone have any experience setting up a computer to do this, either Linux or windows 2003 standard edition? If so are two NICs required to do this (I assume so)? Does a computer "slow down" the interface to the internet for regular browsing / email kind of stuff? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 08:51:01 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:51:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Message-ID: <20070616135102.920A3BD1E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I Decided to try IPCop for a firewall. After much messing around I finally got it to install on an old system with an old hard disk with a bunch of old NICS. Well... The install wasn't pretty, I just dug through the box looking for at least two NICS that supported 100mbit (yes, I have some OLD stuff). I installed two in the motherboard. It turns out that IPCop understood the motherboard NIC (NVIDIA chipset stuff) which I was not expecting. OTOH, it did not like one of the NICS I found laying around. So ATM I have two functioning NICS which is sufficient to get up and running, one for the WAN and one for the LAN. IPCop will support two more, one for a DMZ and one for something else (I forget what). IPCop was stuck in a loop telling me that one of my NICS was not configured so I just rebooted. Sure enough it booted up off of the hard disk and started asking me for passwords. And of course I had not downloaded the docs (can't seem to get them now, mirror issues!) so I do not know what the passwords are. Sigh. Managed to get past the first one (I think) with administrator / secret but the second (I think) is refusing all of my guesses. I say "I think" because it is at a "dos prompt" (don't know the equiv terminology in Linux). I thought this was going to be a graphic interface but apparently not until you get logged in. So there we are, stuck at password. Nothing ever goes as desired. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jun 16 10:08:52 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:08:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070616135102.920A3BD1E@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJQ009XEHVRGIH0@l-daemon> Hi John: What version of Linux are you using? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I Decided to try IPCop for a firewall. After much messing around I finally got it to install on an old system with an old hard disk with a bunch of old NICS. Well... The install wasn't pretty, I just dug through the box looking for at least two NICS that supported 100mbit (yes, I have some OLD stuff). I installed two in the motherboard. It turns out that IPCop understood the motherboard NIC (NVIDIA chipset stuff) which I was not expecting. OTOH, it did not like one of the NICS I found laying around. So ATM I have two functioning NICS which is sufficient to get up and running, one for the WAN and one for the LAN. IPCop will support two more, one for a DMZ and one for something else (I forget what). IPCop was stuck in a loop telling me that one of my NICS was not configured so I just rebooted. Sure enough it booted up off of the hard disk and started asking me for passwords. And of course I had not downloaded the docs (can't seem to get them now, mirror issues!) so I do not know what the passwords are. Sigh. Managed to get past the first one (I think) with administrator / secret but the second (I think) is refusing all of my guesses. I say "I think" because it is at a "dos prompt" (don't know the equiv terminology in Linux). I thought this was going to be a graphic interface but apparently not until you get logged in. So there we are, stuck at password. Nothing ever goes as desired. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 10:58:28 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:58:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <0JJQ009XEHVRGIH0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070616155830.6D114BD3D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> IPCop is a linux / firewall. Linux is built-in. Its sole purpose is to be a firewall. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: What version of Linux are you using? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I Decided to try IPCop for a firewall. After much messing around I finally got it to install on an old system with an old hard disk with a bunch of old NICS. Well... The install wasn't pretty, I just dug through the box looking for at least two NICS that supported 100mbit (yes, I have some OLD stuff). I installed two in the motherboard. It turns out that IPCop understood the motherboard NIC (NVIDIA chipset stuff) which I was not expecting. OTOH, it did not like one of the NICS I found laying around. So ATM I have two functioning NICS which is sufficient to get up and running, one for the WAN and one for the LAN. IPCop will support two more, one for a DMZ and one for something else (I forget what). IPCop was stuck in a loop telling me that one of my NICS was not configured so I just rebooted. Sure enough it booted up off of the hard disk and started asking me for passwords. And of course I had not downloaded the docs (can't seem to get them now, mirror issues!) so I do not know what the passwords are. Sigh. Managed to get past the first one (I think) with administrator / secret but the second (I think) is refusing all of my guesses. I say "I think" because it is at a "dos prompt" (don't know the equiv terminology in Linux). I thought this was going to be a graphic interface but apparently not until you get logged in. So there we are, stuck at password. Nothing ever goes as desired. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 11:11:36 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:11:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070616155830.6D114BD3D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <20070616161137.419E3BD3D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I guess I should have stated directly, "No idea". John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall IPCop is a linux / firewall. Linux is built-in. Its sole purpose is to be a firewall. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: What version of Linux are you using? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I Decided to try IPCop for a firewall. After much messing around I finally got it to install on an old system with an old hard disk with a bunch of old NICS. Well... The install wasn't pretty, I just dug through the box looking for at least two NICS that supported 100mbit (yes, I have some OLD stuff). I installed two in the motherboard. It turns out that IPCop understood the motherboard NIC (NVIDIA chipset stuff) which I was not expecting. OTOH, it did not like one of the NICS I found laying around. So ATM I have two functioning NICS which is sufficient to get up and running, one for the WAN and one for the LAN. IPCop will support two more, one for a DMZ and one for something else (I forget what). IPCop was stuck in a loop telling me that one of my NICS was not configured so I just rebooted. Sure enough it booted up off of the hard disk and started asking me for passwords. And of course I had not downloaded the docs (can't seem to get them now, mirror issues!) so I do not know what the passwords are. Sigh. Managed to get past the first one (I think) with administrator / secret but the second (I think) is refusing all of my guesses. I say "I think" because it is at a "dos prompt" (don't know the equiv terminology in Linux). I thought this was going to be a graphic interface but apparently not until you get logged in. So there we are, stuck at password. Nothing ever goes as desired. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Jun 16 15:37:46 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:37:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c7b056$348e1030$2c01a8c0@bhxp> Arthur, I do not see why this would not work for what you want it for. I pretty much use DVDs for backing up everything. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs Suppose that I wish to copy a CD, purely for backup purposes, with no intention of copyright violations? Must I purchase blank CDs to do this? The reason I ask is because the price of blank DVDs has plummeted to the point where there is almost no difference (price-wise) between CDs and DVDs. They are both around $.40 currently, in this neighbourhood. Actually, that might not be quite right. I think CDs are now more expensive, perhaps in the same way that hard disk prices work -- want a 20MB disk? It will cost you! A 250GB disk, I can sell you cheap, but 20MB, that's pricey. So the question is, should I wish to copy a CD, can I insert a DVD and it will do what I want? Or not? A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 15:43:48 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:43:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070616204348.E8F60BD38@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> And the answer is... A dvd will store the data, but you have to get software to burn it. CD burner software comes with Windows XP. Given the storage difference, it would probably make sense to spend less on DVD disks and buy software that can save files to DVD. Plus fewer disks to store etc. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs Suppose that I wish to copy a CD, purely for backup purposes, with no intention of copyright violations? Must I purchase blank CDs to do this? The reason I ask is because the price of blank DVDs has plummeted to the point where there is almost no difference (price-wise) between CDs and DVDs. They are both around $.40 currently, in this neighbourhood. Actually, that might not be quite right. I think CDs are now more expensive, perhaps in the same way that hard disk prices work -- want a 20MB disk? It will cost you! A 250GB disk, I can sell you cheap, but 20MB, that's pricey. So the question is, should I wish to copy a CD, can I insert a DVD and it will do what I want? Or not? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Jun 16 16:09:23 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:09:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVDs vs. CDs In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706141906j652938ddx13f6044fe2b8e4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/14/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Suppose that I wish to copy a CD, purely for backup purposes, with no > intention of copyright violations? Must I purchase blank CDs to do this? > > The reason I ask is because the price of blank DVDs has plummeted to the > point where there is almost no difference (price-wise) between CDs and DVDs. > They are both around $.40 currently, in this neighbourhood. Actually, that > might not be quite right. I think CDs are now more expensive, perhaps in the > same way that hard disk prices work -- want a 20MB disk? It will cost you! A > 250GB disk, I can sell you cheap, but 20MB, that's pricey. > > So the question is, should I wish to copy a CD, can I insert a DVD and it > will do what I want? Or not? It depends. If you want a 1-to-1 copy of the CD so you can play the CD. No. CD players can't read DVDs. If you are going rip the CD to an ISO and then copy the ISO to the DVD as a data file, then yes that will work. That should give you about 6 CDs to a DVD in ISO format. Now for a cool trick that every geek needs to have up his sleeve. :) If you get Virtual CloneDrive from SlySoft (http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html) you can mount an ISO from the DVD and you will be able to use your CD Player on your computer to play the mounted ISO CD just like if the original CD was in the CD Drive. So you plunk in your DVD and have virtual access to 6 CDs. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 18:32:49 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:32:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070616161137.419E3BD3D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <20070616233250.1315FBD4A@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> And of course, now my system died. Man what a PITA this has been. I'm gonna try the PS and see if that fixes it (I have an old spare). If not, then it's back to square one. My only other spare system isn't really a spare, it is running my address validation software. Of course I could just go build a low end system to perform that function and move that old system out to be the firewall. It would be about $50 for a low end MB plus another $60 or so for a dual proc AMD X2. I have memory, chassis and power supply, disks etc. It would be much easier to contemplate if I knew I would actually get the firewall working though. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I guess I should have stated directly, "No idea". John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall IPCop is a linux / firewall. Linux is built-in. Its sole purpose is to be a firewall. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: What version of Linux are you using? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I Decided to try IPCop for a firewall. After much messing around I finally got it to install on an old system with an old hard disk with a bunch of old NICS. Well... The install wasn't pretty, I just dug through the box looking for at least two NICS that supported 100mbit (yes, I have some OLD stuff). I installed two in the motherboard. It turns out that IPCop understood the motherboard NIC (NVIDIA chipset stuff) which I was not expecting. OTOH, it did not like one of the NICS I found laying around. So ATM I have two functioning NICS which is sufficient to get up and running, one for the WAN and one for the LAN. IPCop will support two more, one for a DMZ and one for something else (I forget what). IPCop was stuck in a loop telling me that one of my NICS was not configured so I just rebooted. Sure enough it booted up off of the hard disk and started asking me for passwords. And of course I had not downloaded the docs (can't seem to get them now, mirror issues!) so I do not know what the passwords are. Sigh. Managed to get past the first one (I think) with administrator / secret but the second (I think) is refusing all of my guesses. I say "I think" because it is at a "dos prompt" (don't know the equiv terminology in Linux). I thought this was going to be a graphic interface but apparently not until you get logged in. So there we are, stuck at password. Nothing ever goes as desired. Sigh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 16 18:54:43 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:54:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <00c101c7b065$4c1be330$1e00a8c0@cheqsoft.local> Message-ID: <20070616235444.289A2BD60@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I currently have a router that serves just fine as a simple firewall - NAT and all that. However I really want to get VPN working so that I can VPN into my office when I am out of town. My current router does VPN pass-through, i.e. I have to have some PC inside of the firewall running VPN functionality and then allowing the other machines to see the VPN. I looked at small business and personal routers that claim to do VPN and basically it appears to be a crapshoot. Of those users who say they try to use VPN, 50% say they do it no problem, the other 50% claim to have tried and given up. It doesn't seem to matter what brand / model, they all seems to be less than stellar. Until you are willing to pay 300 and up for a Cisco, whereupon you can get great reports, and comments like "great if you are a notwork guy, hard to set up". I do not particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars for a big iron router, and I don't want a router that I have to have a notworking cert to get running. I kind of thought I would be able to find a Linux software package that would do this, a "boot from cd and go". I googled and searched and read and studied (for several hours) and found nothing like that, not to say that it doesn't exist. I found a lot of "free" firewalls, but they all seem to have dropped development a couple of years ago, no updates etc. I don't want that either. I am willing to spend $50 or $100 for the software, assuming that it is good, and easy, and I have a machine that will run it. I gave away all of my old motherboards awhile ago to a good cause. So I have two machines left that fit the bill, both are MSI K8N Neo Platinum motherboards, nForce3 250g chipset with Athlon 64 3ghz processors. Should be way more than the Linux needs for the application. I actually got IPCop to install, but it is a royal PITA I can tell you that. If you make a mistake anywhere it wants to reboot (forces you to reboot) and then has to reformat and build two partitions, copy files, 10 minutes of crap just because you didn't get something right. Or maybe not, who knows. I am not a Linux guy, and to be honest don't want to be a Linux guy. I wanted a package I could boot, configure and forget. I dicked around with IPCop for 2-3 hours last night and then for some unknown reason the machine decided to not boot any more (won't even post). So I am moving on to other things ATM. 2-3 hours is already more of my time than I want to spend and I never even got to the configure point. Silly really. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: support at cheqsoft.com [mailto:support at cheqsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John I graduated from IPCop to monowall and pfSense, based on FreeBSD, much the same idea as IPCop, but arguably better in may respects. Particular differences are pfSense is preferable if you are serving from your LAN and wish DNS to work properly, otherwise monowall has less hardware requirement. Can run from CD and floppy disc, with config all in xml. I run from IDE / CF card without a HD at all. What are your requirements? For some reason the list is rejecting my email, something about relaying...??? Can you forward to the list?! (It might be our ISP email server being down though) Kind regards David Hingston. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jun 17 07:20:57 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:20:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070616235444.289A2BD60@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJS0032L4RSKNJ0@l-daemon> Hi John: For VPN software I would recommend Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/download/list.php), (Comes in both Windows and Linux versions). They are the creators of LogMeIn software (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/download.asp) ... It is free, allows you to pass through any firewall on any system and allows you to create and access your virtual network any location. Of course if you are moving to the dark side, there is SmoothWall Linux (http://www.smoothwall.org/about/ and http://www.smoothwall.org/get/), which can fit on any old beater box, from which you can create an excellent programmable seriously secure firewall between your data computers and the outside world. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:55 PM To: support at cheqsoft.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I currently have a router that serves just fine as a simple firewall - NAT and all that. However I really want to get VPN working so that I can VPN into my office when I am out of town. My current router does VPN pass-through, i.e. I have to have some PC inside of the firewall running VPN functionality and then allowing the other machines to see the VPN. I looked at small business and personal routers that claim to do VPN and basically it appears to be a crapshoot. Of those users who say they try to use VPN, 50% say they do it no problem, the other 50% claim to have tried and given up. It doesn't seem to matter what brand / model, they all seems to be less than stellar. Until you are willing to pay 300 and up for a Cisco, whereupon you can get great reports, and comments like "great if you are a notwork guy, hard to set up". I do not particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars for a big iron router, and I don't want a router that I have to have a notworking cert to get running. I kind of thought I would be able to find a Linux software package that would do this, a "boot from cd and go". I googled and searched and read and studied (for several hours) and found nothing like that, not to say that it doesn't exist. I found a lot of "free" firewalls, but they all seem to have dropped development a couple of years ago, no updates etc. I don't want that either. I am willing to spend $50 or $100 for the software, assuming that it is good, and easy, and I have a machine that will run it. I gave away all of my old motherboards awhile ago to a good cause. So I have two machines left that fit the bill, both are MSI K8N Neo Platinum motherboards, nForce3 250g chipset with Athlon 64 3ghz processors. Should be way more than the Linux needs for the application. I actually got IPCop to install, but it is a royal PITA I can tell you that. If you make a mistake anywhere it wants to reboot (forces you to reboot) and then has to reformat and build two partitions, copy files, 10 minutes of crap just because you didn't get something right. Or maybe not, who knows. I am not a Linux guy, and to be honest don't want to be a Linux guy. I wanted a package I could boot, configure and forget. I dicked around with IPCop for 2-3 hours last night and then for some unknown reason the machine decided to not boot any more (won't even post). So I am moving on to other things ATM. 2-3 hours is already more of my time than I want to spend and I never even got to the configure point. Silly really. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: support at cheqsoft.com [mailto:support at cheqsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John I graduated from IPCop to monowall and pfSense, based on FreeBSD, much the same idea as IPCop, but arguably better in may respects. Particular differences are pfSense is preferable if you are serving from your LAN and wish DNS to work properly, otherwise monowall has less hardware requirement. Can run from CD and floppy disc, with config all in xml. I run from IDE / CF card without a HD at all. What are your requirements? For some reason the list is rejecting my email, something about relaying...??? Can you forward to the list?! (It might be our ISP email server being down though) Kind regards David Hingston. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jun 17 16:23:32 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:23:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <0JJS0032L4RSKNJ0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070617212333.9887BBCF8@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Jim, Do you use Smoothwall? BTW IPCop and smoothwall appear (to the extent I have managed to get) to be identical programs. Every single screen so far has been identical. IPCop did recognize my onboard drivers whereas Smoothwall did not. However I was unable to get install docs for IPCop (the redirects to the download server are broken) so I apparently now have docs, even if they say smoothwall on them. If I am going to make this happen I am going to need some hand holding to get past the install. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: For VPN software I would recommend Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/download/list.php), (Comes in both Windows and Linux versions). They are the creators of LogMeIn software (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/download.asp) ... It is free, allows you to pass through any firewall on any system and allows you to create and access your virtual network any location. Of course if you are moving to the dark side, there is SmoothWall Linux (http://www.smoothwall.org/about/ and http://www.smoothwall.org/get/), which can fit on any old beater box, from which you can create an excellent programmable seriously secure firewall between your data computers and the outside world. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:55 PM To: support at cheqsoft.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I currently have a router that serves just fine as a simple firewall - NAT and all that. However I really want to get VPN working so that I can VPN into my office when I am out of town. My current router does VPN pass-through, i.e. I have to have some PC inside of the firewall running VPN functionality and then allowing the other machines to see the VPN. I looked at small business and personal routers that claim to do VPN and basically it appears to be a crapshoot. Of those users who say they try to use VPN, 50% say they do it no problem, the other 50% claim to have tried and given up. It doesn't seem to matter what brand / model, they all seems to be less than stellar. Until you are willing to pay 300 and up for a Cisco, whereupon you can get great reports, and comments like "great if you are a notwork guy, hard to set up". I do not particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars for a big iron router, and I don't want a router that I have to have a notworking cert to get running. I kind of thought I would be able to find a Linux software package that would do this, a "boot from cd and go". I googled and searched and read and studied (for several hours) and found nothing like that, not to say that it doesn't exist. I found a lot of "free" firewalls, but they all seem to have dropped development a couple of years ago, no updates etc. I don't want that either. I am willing to spend $50 or $100 for the software, assuming that it is good, and easy, and I have a machine that will run it. I gave away all of my old motherboards awhile ago to a good cause. So I have two machines left that fit the bill, both are MSI K8N Neo Platinum motherboards, nForce3 250g chipset with Athlon 64 3ghz processors. Should be way more than the Linux needs for the application. I actually got IPCop to install, but it is a royal PITA I can tell you that. If you make a mistake anywhere it wants to reboot (forces you to reboot) and then has to reformat and build two partitions, copy files, 10 minutes of crap just because you didn't get something right. Or maybe not, who knows. I am not a Linux guy, and to be honest don't want to be a Linux guy. I wanted a package I could boot, configure and forget. I dicked around with IPCop for 2-3 hours last night and then for some unknown reason the machine decided to not boot any more (won't even post). So I am moving on to other things ATM. 2-3 hours is already more of my time than I want to spend and I never even got to the configure point. Silly really. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: support at cheqsoft.com [mailto:support at cheqsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John I graduated from IPCop to monowall and pfSense, based on FreeBSD, much the same idea as IPCop, but arguably better in may respects. Particular differences are pfSense is preferable if you are serving from your LAN and wish DNS to work properly, otherwise monowall has less hardware requirement. Can run from CD and floppy disc, with config all in xml. I run from IDE / CF card without a HD at all. What are your requirements? For some reason the list is rejecting my email, something about relaying...??? Can you forward to the list?! (It might be our ISP email server being down though) Kind regards David Hingston. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 18 00:27:56 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:27:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference Message-ID: <20070618052757.6D8F1BC85@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference will be happening this coming Saturday at my house. To get a map to my house, watch for Wrap of course: http://maps.google.com/#utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google-gm&utm _medium=ha&utm_term=map Type in 1723 Twin Pines Dr, Hudson, 28638. You should get right there. Of course things are never as they seem. There are really only two left turns coming south on Horseshoe bend road, the second is my drive. Just remember that. Hudson Weather. It's looking like high 80s over the weekend. I do have AC so we will be comfortable inside. http://www.weather.com/weather/local/28638 Anyone needing hotels: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image Alternately, down in Hickory: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image Food in Lenoir: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image Food in Hudson: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image Strangely enough (or perhaps not?), a search for "night clubs" in Lenoir, nc turned up nothing, but did show stuff down in Hickory, just south of us. I must admit I have not been to a night club since we moved here so I will not be much help there. http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image Churches (lots of Baptists down here). You will always be welcome at my church, #B - Hudson United Methodist. I do have enough credit at this point that I can skip if the conference is still going on. http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image General NC info: http://www.visitnc.com/tools_search_results.asp http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image The plan is to meet at my home on Saturday, and Sunday if there is anyone still here. Anyone coming in early (Friday evening / night) is welcome to call me. 828-572-0120 is my business phone. I will be doing a BBQ Saturday evening after the conference. The usual suspects - chicken / ribs / etc. I am pretty good on the BBQ. I am looking forward to seeing you guys, whoever shows up, so let's meet and have a good time - no RSVP required, come on down. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 18 00:43:23 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:43:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070617212333.9887BBCF8@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <20070618054324.0BD34BCD4@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I went back and installed IPCop using smoothwall docs. Not sure if it works though, it isn't hooked up to the cable modem yet. Will try it some evening. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Jim, Do you use Smoothwall? BTW IPCop and smoothwall appear (to the extent I have managed to get) to be identical programs. Every single screen so far has been identical. IPCop did recognize my onboard drivers whereas Smoothwall did not. However I was unable to get install docs for IPCop (the redirects to the download server are broken) so I apparently now have docs, even if they say smoothwall on them. If I am going to make this happen I am going to need some hand holding to get past the install. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 18 07:28:29 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:28:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <20070617212333.9887BBCF8@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJT00NT9ZS81Y23@l-daemon> Hi John: I personally do not at this time do not have Smoothwall but have installed it for a client and they have been very happy with it. Until you mentioned it I had never heard of IPCop. At first blush, the products sound similar but they do not seem to be the same... maybe someone else on the list could answer this question. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Jim, Do you use Smoothwall? BTW IPCop and smoothwall appear (to the extent I have managed to get) to be identical programs. Every single screen so far has been identical. IPCop did recognize my onboard drivers whereas Smoothwall did not. However I was unable to get install docs for IPCop (the redirects to the download server are broken) so I apparently now have docs, even if they say smoothwall on them. If I am going to make this happen I am going to need some hand holding to get past the install. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: For VPN software I would recommend Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/download/list.php), (Comes in both Windows and Linux versions). They are the creators of LogMeIn software (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/download.asp) ... It is free, allows you to pass through any firewall on any system and allows you to create and access your virtual network any location. Of course if you are moving to the dark side, there is SmoothWall Linux (http://www.smoothwall.org/about/ and http://www.smoothwall.org/get/), which can fit on any old beater box, from which you can create an excellent programmable seriously secure firewall between your data computers and the outside world. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:55 PM To: support at cheqsoft.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I currently have a router that serves just fine as a simple firewall - NAT and all that. However I really want to get VPN working so that I can VPN into my office when I am out of town. My current router does VPN pass-through, i.e. I have to have some PC inside of the firewall running VPN functionality and then allowing the other machines to see the VPN. I looked at small business and personal routers that claim to do VPN and basically it appears to be a crapshoot. Of those users who say they try to use VPN, 50% say they do it no problem, the other 50% claim to have tried and given up. It doesn't seem to matter what brand / model, they all seems to be less than stellar. Until you are willing to pay 300 and up for a Cisco, whereupon you can get great reports, and comments like "great if you are a notwork guy, hard to set up". I do not particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars for a big iron router, and I don't want a router that I have to have a notworking cert to get running. I kind of thought I would be able to find a Linux software package that would do this, a "boot from cd and go". I googled and searched and read and studied (for several hours) and found nothing like that, not to say that it doesn't exist. I found a lot of "free" firewalls, but they all seem to have dropped development a couple of years ago, no updates etc. I don't want that either. I am willing to spend $50 or $100 for the software, assuming that it is good, and easy, and I have a machine that will run it. I gave away all of my old motherboards awhile ago to a good cause. So I have two machines left that fit the bill, both are MSI K8N Neo Platinum motherboards, nForce3 250g chipset with Athlon 64 3ghz processors. Should be way more than the Linux needs for the application. I actually got IPCop to install, but it is a royal PITA I can tell you that. If you make a mistake anywhere it wants to reboot (forces you to reboot) and then has to reformat and build two partitions, copy files, 10 minutes of crap just because you didn't get something right. Or maybe not, who knows. I am not a Linux guy, and to be honest don't want to be a Linux guy. I wanted a package I could boot, configure and forget. I dicked around with IPCop for 2-3 hours last night and then for some unknown reason the machine decided to not boot any more (won't even post). So I am moving on to other things ATM. 2-3 hours is already more of my time than I want to spend and I never even got to the configure point. Silly really. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: support at cheqsoft.com [mailto:support at cheqsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John I graduated from IPCop to monowall and pfSense, based on FreeBSD, much the same idea as IPCop, but arguably better in may respects. Particular differences are pfSense is preferable if you are serving from your LAN and wish DNS to work properly, otherwise monowall has less hardware requirement. Can run from CD and floppy disc, with config all in xml. I run from IDE / CF card without a HD at all. What are your requirements? For some reason the list is rejecting my email, something about relaying...??? Can you forward to the list?! (It might be our ISP email server being down though) Kind regards David Hingston. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 18 07:58:49 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:58:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall In-Reply-To: <0JJT00NT9ZS81Y23@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070618125850.B2E42BCE4@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> IPCop apparently started as Smoothwall. I found a "roadmap" for IPCop that mentions "removing final traces of smoothwall". I can tell you that the setup screens are very similar, same wording, same buttons in the same locations, same screen sequences etc. They both discuss "red/green/blue/orange LAN sections" (Wan/Trusted/Wireless/DMZ). Thus I do believe that IPCop is a branch of smoothwall. At any rate I did use Smoothwall's docs to do the setup and managed to get all the way through this time. I have not dropped it in in place of my router yet to see if it is functioning. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:28 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: I personally do not at this time do not have Smoothwall but have installed it for a client and they have been very happy with it. Until you mentioned it I had never heard of IPCop. At first blush, the products sound similar but they do not seem to be the same... maybe someone else on the list could answer this question. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Jim, Do you use Smoothwall? BTW IPCop and smoothwall appear (to the extent I have managed to get) to be identical programs. Every single screen so far has been identical. IPCop did recognize my onboard drivers whereas Smoothwall did not. However I was unable to get install docs for IPCop (the redirects to the download server are broken) so I apparently now have docs, even if they say smoothwall on them. If I am going to make this happen I am going to need some hand holding to get past the install. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John: For VPN software I would recommend Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/download/list.php), (Comes in both Windows and Linux versions). They are the creators of LogMeIn software (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/download.asp) ... It is free, allows you to pass through any firewall on any system and allows you to create and access your virtual network any location. Of course if you are moving to the dark side, there is SmoothWall Linux (http://www.smoothwall.org/about/ and http://www.smoothwall.org/get/), which can fit on any old beater box, from which you can create an excellent programmable seriously secure firewall between your data computers and the outside world. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:55 PM To: support at cheqsoft.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall I currently have a router that serves just fine as a simple firewall - NAT and all that. However I really want to get VPN working so that I can VPN into my office when I am out of town. My current router does VPN pass-through, i.e. I have to have some PC inside of the firewall running VPN functionality and then allowing the other machines to see the VPN. I looked at small business and personal routers that claim to do VPN and basically it appears to be a crapshoot. Of those users who say they try to use VPN, 50% say they do it no problem, the other 50% claim to have tried and given up. It doesn't seem to matter what brand / model, they all seems to be less than stellar. Until you are willing to pay 300 and up for a Cisco, whereupon you can get great reports, and comments like "great if you are a notwork guy, hard to set up". I do not particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars for a big iron router, and I don't want a router that I have to have a notworking cert to get running. I kind of thought I would be able to find a Linux software package that would do this, a "boot from cd and go". I googled and searched and read and studied (for several hours) and found nothing like that, not to say that it doesn't exist. I found a lot of "free" firewalls, but they all seem to have dropped development a couple of years ago, no updates etc. I don't want that either. I am willing to spend $50 or $100 for the software, assuming that it is good, and easy, and I have a machine that will run it. I gave away all of my old motherboards awhile ago to a good cause. So I have two machines left that fit the bill, both are MSI K8N Neo Platinum motherboards, nForce3 250g chipset with Athlon 64 3ghz processors. Should be way more than the Linux needs for the application. I actually got IPCop to install, but it is a royal PITA I can tell you that. If you make a mistake anywhere it wants to reboot (forces you to reboot) and then has to reformat and build two partitions, copy files, 10 minutes of crap just because you didn't get something right. Or maybe not, who knows. I am not a Linux guy, and to be honest don't want to be a Linux guy. I wanted a package I could boot, configure and forget. I dicked around with IPCop for 2-3 hours last night and then for some unknown reason the machine decided to not boot any more (won't even post). So I am moving on to other things ATM. 2-3 hours is already more of my time than I want to spend and I never even got to the configure point. Silly really. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _____ From: support at cheqsoft.com [mailto:support at cheqsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IPCop Firewall Hi John I graduated from IPCop to monowall and pfSense, based on FreeBSD, much the same idea as IPCop, but arguably better in may respects. Particular differences are pfSense is preferable if you are serving from your LAN and wish DNS to work properly, otherwise monowall has less hardware requirement. Can run from CD and floppy disc, with config all in xml. I run from IDE / CF card without a HD at all. What are your requirements? For some reason the list is rejecting my email, something about relaying...??? Can you forward to the list?! (It might be our ISP email server being down though) Kind regards David Hingston. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 08:07:21 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:07:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference In-Reply-To: <20070618052757.6D8F1BC85@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <20070618052757.6D8F1BC85@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: Wish I could be joining you John. The thought of barbeque is making my lmouth water. Hope someone will be taking some photos that can be shared. GK On 6/18/07, jwcolby wrote: > The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference will be happening > this coming Saturday at my house. > > To get a map to my house, watch for Wrap of course: > > http://maps.google.com/#utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google-gm&utm > _medium=ha&utm_term=map > > Type in 1723 Twin Pines Dr, Hudson, 28638. You should get right there. Of > course things are never as they seem. There are really only two left turns > coming south on Horseshoe bend road, the second is my drive. Just remember > that. > > Hudson Weather. It's looking like high 80s over the weekend. I do have AC > so we will be comfortable inside. > > http://www.weather.com/weather/local/28638 > > Anyone needing hotels: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Alternately, down in Hickory: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Food in Lenoir: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Food in Hudson: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Strangely enough (or perhaps not?), a search for "night clubs" in Lenoir, nc > turned up nothing, but did show stuff down in Hickory, just south of us. I > must admit I have not been to a night club since we moved here so I will not > be much help there. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Churches (lots of Baptists down here). You will always be welcome at my > church, #B - Hudson United Methodist. I do have enough credit at this point > that I can skip if the conference is still going on. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > > General NC info: > > http://www.visitnc.com/tools_search_results.asp > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1&sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > The plan is to meet at my home on Saturday, and Sunday if there is anyone > still here. Anyone coming in early (Friday evening / night) is welcome to > call me. 828-572-0120 is my business phone. > > I will be doing a BBQ Saturday evening after the conference. The usual > suspects - chicken / ribs / etc. I am pretty good on the BBQ. > > I am looking forward to seeing you guys, whoever shows up, so let's meet and > have a good time - no RSVP required, come on down. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 09:50:26 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:50:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Java anyone? Message-ID: <29f585dd0706180750s30f90e67u425bd792c9fc8132@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody know of a Java group that's anywhere near as good as our groups here? I'm trying to learn and have a few zillion questions. TIA, A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 18 16:09:06 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessDConference In-Reply-To: <011a01c7b1e9$7602f4b0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35> Message-ID: <20070618210907.76D40BDE7@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I am thinking not before 8:00 am. We will start at 9:00 am and run through 12:00 pm (lunch), break till 1:30 or so, then pick up and continue till around 5:00 pm. Same schedule for Sunday if there is anyone left around. Again, anyone in the neighborhood Friday night is welcome to call. I do need to work till 5:00 pm Friday, and if you come by before the kids are in bed (8:00 PM) you will have to deal with Robbie and Allie. I have a nice screened porch on the back of the house where we can sit around and shoot bull. I am normally up till 11:00 pm or later so it will not be an inconvenience. BTW, I also have wireless for those who need to check email etc. It is encrypted (WPA?) but you just put in a key and go. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessDConference I'm looking forward to meeting you all. John, what time should we arrive on Saturday? Barb Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; ; ; "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: [AccessD] The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference > The first annual Great Smokey Mountains AccessD Conference will be > happening this coming Saturday at my house. > > To get a map to my house, watch for Wrap of course: > > http://maps.google.com/#utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google- > gm&utm > _medium=ha&utm_term=map > > Type in 1723 Twin Pines Dr, Hudson, 28638. You should get right there. > Of > course things are never as they seem. There are really only two left > turns coming south on Horseshoe bend road, the second is my drive. > Just remember that. > > Hudson Weather. It's looking like high 80s over the weekend. I do > have AC so we will be comfortable inside. > > http://www.weather.com/weather/local/28638 > > Anyone needing hotels: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Alternately, down in Hickory: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Food in Lenoir: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Food in Hudson: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Strangely enough (or perhaps not?), a search for "night clubs" in > Lenoir, nc turned up nothing, but did show stuff down in Hickory, just > south of us. > I > must admit I have not been to a night club since we moved here so I > will not be much help there. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > Churches (lots of Baptists down here). You will always be welcome at > my church, #B - Hudson United Methodist. I do have enough credit at > this point that I can skip if the conference is still going on. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > > General NC info: > > http://www.visitnc.com/tools_search_results.asp > > http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off > icial& > channel=s&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&um=1&q=hotels&near=Lenoir,+NC&fb=1& > sa=X&o > i=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image > > The plan is to meet at my home on Saturday, and Sunday if there is > anyone still here. Anyone coming in early (Friday evening / night) is > welcome to call me. 828-572-0120 is my business phone. > > I will be doing a BBQ Saturday evening after the conference. The > usual suspects - chicken / ribs / etc. I am pretty good on the BBQ. > > I am looking forward to seeing you guys, whoever shows up, so let's > meet and have a good time - no RSVP required, come on down. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 19 12:36:21 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:36:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Great Smokey Mountain Access Conference In-Reply-To: <20070618210907.76D40BDE7@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JJW00L8S8P6DI02@l-daemon> Is there anyone who is going that will be taking pictures and basically recording the proceedings? If you are; record presenters and presentations; basically try and get the flavour of the event... (BBQ). If anyone going is making PowerPoint presentations please send them along so they can be enjoyed later. I wonder how difficult it would be to create a video feed from the NC location? If is was possible then some of us that just can not make it would be able to enjoy the event remotely. Jim From ssharkins at setel.com Tue Jun 19 19:39:58 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:39:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting Message-ID: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> A major web publisher has contacted me twice about creating several webcasts for them on a variety of Office topics. We couldn't come to terms. I'm wondering if this is something I could do myself without a huge outlay of cash? I know someone who would could act as a server for storing the files, so that's not a problem. All I'd have to do is produce the files, upload, and come up with some kind of store front (the store front might not be necessary either). Problem is, I don't know enough about it to know whether to keep investigating. If I'm going to need expensive equipment and software, I'm not going to bother, at least not right now. Seems to me I should be able to produce a simple "movie media" type file and upload it -- but if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it wouldn't they? I'm not really talking about webcasting like uTube. Rather, I'd like to produce downloadable files that purchasers view in their time offline -- rather like an email book. Also, how many of you actually pay for webcasts or similar? Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jun 19 19:48:17 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:48:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005> A bigger problem might be marketing. Assuming you can get your product up and available for a charge, how do you make this known to your prospective customers? IOW, how do you sell $1 worth of webcast for less than $1 of marketing expense? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting A major web publisher has contacted me twice about creating several webcasts for them on a variety of Office topics. We couldn't come to terms. I'm wondering if this is something I could do myself without a huge outlay of cash? I know someone who would could act as a server for storing the files, so that's not a problem. All I'd have to do is produce the files, upload, and come up with some kind of store front (the store front might not be necessary either). Problem is, I don't know enough about it to know whether to keep investigating. If I'm going to need expensive equipment and software, I'm not going to bother, at least not right now. Seems to me I should be able to produce a simple "movie media" type file and upload it -- but if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it wouldn't they? I'm not really talking about webcasting like uTube. Rather, I'd like to produce downloadable files that purchasers view in their time offline -- rather like an email book. Also, how many of you actually pay for webcasts or similar? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 19 20:57:39 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:57:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0JJW00LV1VWNDVM2@l-daemon> Hi Susan: I have not setup a webcast site before but it should not be a big deal. The main issues are band-width and hard drive space. Band width can grow as access grows and the same with hard drive space so you could start out small, with a limited outlay. If it starts to take off and if you had a model that would pay as it goes then it should not be a big problem. If you are seriously interested, I can make some calls, do a bit of research and find out the details to an inexpensive startup site that can grow. (Have been thinking along a similar line for months.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting A major web publisher has contacted me twice about creating several webcasts for them on a variety of Office topics. We couldn't come to terms. I'm wondering if this is something I could do myself without a huge outlay of cash? I know someone who would could act as a server for storing the files, so that's not a problem. All I'd have to do is produce the files, upload, and come up with some kind of store front (the store front might not be necessary either). Problem is, I don't know enough about it to know whether to keep investigating. If I'm going to need expensive equipment and software, I'm not going to bother, at least not right now. Seems to me I should be able to produce a simple "movie media" type file and upload it -- but if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it wouldn't they? I'm not really talking about webcasting like uTube. Rather, I'd like to produce downloadable files that purchasers view in their time offline -- rather like an email book. Also, how many of you actually pay for webcasts or similar? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jun 19 21:10:41 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:10:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> <001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters> How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! Leveraging off of existing authorship is a pretty widespread technique - it gives people confidence that their money won't be wasted. Susan - take a look at http://www.aisb.biz/ for ideas. I use Camtasia to record Help Videos rather than write a Help File. People say they like using them! Perhaps a 5 Minute Help Video for $5.00 (5 For 5!) But make it longer so people are happy! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. Recently one of the local TV news channels here has hired a guy who describes interesting web sites he's found and how to use them. Sounds like free TV coverage to me! Anyway - Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] webcasting A bigger problem might be marketing. Assuming you can get your product up and available for a charge, how do you make this known to your prospective customers? IOW, how do you sell $1 worth of webcast for less than $1 of marketing expense? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting A major web publisher has contacted me twice about creating several webcasts for them on a variety of Office topics. We couldn't come to terms. I'm wondering if this is something I could do myself without a huge outlay of cash? I know someone who would could act as a server for storing the files, so that's not a problem. All I'd have to do is produce the files, upload, and come up with some kind of store front (the store front might not be necessary either). Problem is, I don't know enough about it to know whether to keep investigating. If I'm going to need expensive equipment and software, I'm not going to bother, at least not right now. Seems to me I should be able to produce a simple "movie media" type file and upload it -- but if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it wouldn't they? I'm not really talking about webcasting like uTube. Rather, I'd like to produce downloadable files that purchasers view in their time offline -- rather like an email book. Also, how many of you actually pay for webcasts or similar? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 19 23:04:16 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:04:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: troubleshooting BSD Message-ID: <20070620040417.46092BBF3@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I just found this. I thought it might be of value to someone. I am having very infrequent BSDs on my new M90 Dell laptop. http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=576 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 20 08:03:38 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:03:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they paid 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling me. I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the deal. I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to do it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't mind writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making money. Susan H. How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Wed Jun 20 08:08:06 2007 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:08:06 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters> <002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001f01c7b33c$0b459e30$1800a8c0@s1800> Capitalist! ;) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] webcasting > Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few > reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. > > Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights > and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, > and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they > paid > 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling > me. > I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly > changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the > deal. > > > I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- > although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell > these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to > do > it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my > stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't > mind > writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making > money. > > Susan H. > > How about something like: > > . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: > a) > b) > c) > d) and more! > > > If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a > news organization) that would go a long way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 > 12:50 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19.06.2007 > 13:12 > From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 20 08:30:00 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:30:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <001f01c7b33c$0b459e30$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters><002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> <001f01c7b33c$0b459e30$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <000d01c7b33f$1bf06780$4634fad1@SusanOne> You betcha! ;) I love a good arrangement, one where everyone benefits. We have those here too, believe it or not. Just the relationships I have with publishers aren't as grand as I'd like anymore. I'm not in a position to just stop writing for them, and I doubt I'd totally do that, but I might be more select about what I publish via them if I could. The children's publisher that I write for does the same thing. I have a few more projects with them, and that's it -- if I can't open that door, maybe it should just remain shut. Susan H. Capitalist! ;) Lembit From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 20 08:35:16 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:35:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) In-Reply-To: <002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters> <002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001f01c7b33f$d6751f60$0200a8c0@danwaters> It's always interesting to see how people who work independently (me too) are making money from developing databases or doing something related to databases. This has been my major problem - I can make a great system, but getting companies to pay for it is a real challenge, even though their return on investment is probably 2X to 8X in the first year! I do wonder if we could begin an ongoing discussion on the business side of what each of us does. I think we could all benefit! Does anyone have some thoughts or ideas on how we could do this? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] webcasting Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they paid 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling me. I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the deal. I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to do it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't mind writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making money. Susan H. How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 20 10:15:50 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple Word shortcut Message-ID: <000001c7b34d$e45e56b0$3032fad1@SusanOne> I've been unable to find a keyboard shortcut for Strikethrough in the Help documents. Is there one? I know I can assign one myself, but didn't want to if there's already one. Susan H. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 20 10:19:47 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:19:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting In-Reply-To: <0JJW00LV1VWNDVM2@l-daemon> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> <0JJW00LV1VWNDVM2@l-daemon> Message-ID: <000101c7b34e$710b85b0$3032fad1@SusanOne> Truthfully, I'd be interested in any information at this point -- but I don't want anyone to go to any trouble. I mean, don't do any research on your own -- I appreciate the offer tremendously, but without knowing whether I really want to go any further, I couldn't ask any of you to spend your own time on this. Susan H. I have not setup a webcast site before but it should not be a big deal. The main issues are band-width and hard drive space. Band width can grow as access grows and the same with hard drive space so you could start out small, with a limited outlay. If it starts to take off and if you had a model that would pay as it goes then it should not be a big problem. If you are seriously interested, I can make some calls, do a bit of research and find out the details to an inexpensive startup site that can grow. (Have been thinking along a similar line for months.) From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jun 20 12:23:43 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:23:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] webcasting Message-ID: Hi Susan You could team up with Bob Tabor to expand business beyond dot net. Sounds like a nice guy: http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/About.aspx /gustav >>> ssharkins at setel.com 20-06-2007 15:03 >>> Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they paid 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling me. I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the deal. I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to do it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't mind writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making money. Susan H. How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 20 12:58:38 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:58:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file Message-ID: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I have a workgroup file that has been 'in use by another process' for several days now. It's not actually, but I can't delete or do anything else with this file, and I can't update my customer's system until this is solved. Is there a way to force delete a file? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jun 20 13:04:28 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:04:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file Message-ID: Hi Dan Maybe this Unlocker tool can help you: http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/ /gustav >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 20-06-2007 19:58 >>> I have a workgroup file that has been 'in use by another process' for several days now. It's not actually, but I can't delete or do anything else with this file, and I can't update my customer's system until this is solved. Is there a way to force delete a file? Thanks! Dan From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 20 13:10:34 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:10:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file In-Reply-To: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <0JJY00I4R4Y4A5N1@l-daemon> Hi Dan: There is sledge-hammer programs like: http://www.docsdownloads.com/dr-delete-1.htm HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file I have a workgroup file that has been 'in use by another process' for several days now. It's not actually, but I can't delete or do anything else with this file, and I can't update my customer's system until this is solved. Is there a way to force delete a file? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jun 20 13:43:21 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:43:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Anyone here use GIMP that has also used Photoshop? From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 14:12:38 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:12:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: On 6/20/07, John Bartow wrote: > Anyone here use GIMP that has also used Photoshop? Yep. Not extensively, but yep. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 20 14:47:08 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:47:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <0JJY00LSN9F2D7E3@l-daemon> Yes, I have...GIMP a little bit and Adobe PhotoShop 5.0 to CS extensively. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP Anyone here use GIMP that has also used Photoshop? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 14:59:45 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Message-ID: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> (A confession which is probably off-topic: in 1968 I was convicted of possessing some LSD. I was convicted. Five years later I was pardoned. I haven't been remotely near anything like that since about 1970. However, a pardon in Canada does not constitute erasure from the databases in USA, with the result that I cannot attend any of these conferences, much as I would love to.) I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I live in Mississauga, Ontario. There are hotels nearby. I have space in which to hold our various presentations. Mississauga, Ontario is .5 hours from Toronto, the most multi-cultural city in the world (not my claim alone, this is pretty much universally accepted). Where I live it is very quiet, but I have parking to suit 100 (ask JC). It would be fun to host a bunch of you here. I don't want to intrude upon the prospective schedule, but perhaps a few of you would like to visit this part of the world for a bit. A From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jun 20 15:02:56 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:02:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arthur If I could afford it I would be there in a flash. Your on my list of AccessD people I want to meet. Sort of people to actually shake hands with before I die list. Pity all you people leive so far away, Martin From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:03:33 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:03:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:04:49 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:04:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lets try this again with a copy to the appropriate places. On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I > live in Mississauga, Ontario. There are hotels nearby. I have space in which Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 20 15:08:30 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:08:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070620200830.73D01BE35@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> If we refuse to shake your hand does that mean you can't die? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Arthur If I could afford it I would be there in a flash. Your on my list of AccessD people I want to meet. Sort of people to actually shake hands with before I die list. Pity all you people leive so far away, Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 20 15:22:37 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:22:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJY00E00B2631U0@l-daemon> OT Hi Arthur: I traditionally make it to Toronto once a year... not this one though, (too much work but too little money... odd how that works???) My wife will be in Toronto, around the middle of July, doing rough painting portraits of a couple of Fado singers; one from TO and the other Boston. She and some of her relatives will be looking up an ex-client who has apparently forgotten about final payment of a programming project... but that is another story. Maybe something next year would be possible? Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? (A confession which is probably off-topic: in 1968 I was convicted of possessing some LSD. I was convicted. Five years later I was pardoned. I haven't been remotely near anything like that since about 1970. However, a pardon in Canada does not constitute erasure from the databases in USA, with the result that I cannot attend any of these conferences, much as I would love to.) I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I live in Mississauga, Ontario. There are hotels nearby. I have space in which to hold our various presentations. Mississauga, Ontario is .5 hours from Toronto, the most multi-cultural city in the world (not my claim alone, this is pretty much universally accepted). Where I live it is very quiet, but I have parking to suit 100 (ask JC). It would be fun to host a bunch of you here. I don't want to intrude upon the prospective schedule, but perhaps a few of you would like to visit this part of the world for a bit. A _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 20 15:23:08 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <0JJY00E00B2631U0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070620202308.68D95BD9D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> >She and some of her relatives will be looking up an ex-client who has apparently forgotten about final payment of a programming project... Are these relatives mafiosa? ;-) John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? OT Hi Arthur: I traditionally make it to Toronto once a year... not this one though, (too much work but too little money... odd how that works???) My wife will be in Toronto, around the middle of July, doing rough painting portraits of a couple of Fado singers; one from TO and the other Boston. She and some of her relatives will be looking up an ex-client who has apparently forgotten about final payment of a programming project... but that is another story. Maybe something next year would be possible? Regards Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:28:11 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:28:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706201328s8513601oe5ce28caa2a71c41@mail.gmail.com> Should it occur in Toronto, the TSSUG (Toronto SQL Server User Group) could host it, and provide just such a room at Yonge and Bloor. We would love to. That room can hold about 20, and more if you're willing to be crowded. As some of you may recall, I was once in the event-ticket acquisition business. I cannot promise discounts, most definitely not! That is NOT how that business works. But should there be some weekend in which something very interesting was occurring, I could get tickets (typically 15% over list, and no end for me), but it might be fun to slate the Toronto conference when some interesting events were occurring. For further information, visit my pals and ex-employers at www.otx.ca. See what interests you. We can vote on an appropriate weekend. I can arrange a bus to pick us all up at our various hotels, deliver us to said concert(s), and return us safely back. I have the power (LOL). But that's just on the entertainment side. On the professional side, as a board member of the Toronto SQL Server Users Group, I would be most pleased that this occur. Should any attendee be pressed for funds, I can offer one bedroom and three couches LOL. As far as North American cities go, Toronto is not bad. Granted, Vancouver has the greatest landscape in the world (mountains over here, ocean over there, splendid architecture in betwixt; unfortunately the rents and the hotel bills are just beyond Neptune and approaching Pluto) -- not to say that I don't love that city! I love Vancouver! Due to my aforementioned difficulties with the American system of jurisprudence, I cannot attend any of our conferences, lest they occur outside the boundaries of the USA. JC has graced my humble household with his presence, and can (hopefully) testifty that I am not a terrorist or any other dangerous species (other than overly opinionated, but even then I confine myself to dba-OT and a few radical newsgroups LOL). All this is to say, that I cannot attend any of our events that occur in the USA, due to some mistake I made over 30 years ago. I accept that. Each nation is entitled to forbid entry to any programming virtuosos it wishes. LOL. But it would be nice to have lots of you USAns visit here. Don't mean to wreck the concrescing (you notice that? even the Google spell-check doesn't understand the verb "To concresce" (c.f. Alfred North Whitehead, Science and the Modern World. Sheesh.) schedule. If Google doesn't comprehend the language then I have only myself and Chomsky and Whitehead and Russell and Godel and a few select others to trust. So. Anybody interested in a conference here in Toronto? It's a very pretty city, but I would suggest the date be before December 1 or after April 1. I can arrange hotels, concerts etc. in addition to our massively intellectual meetings of the minds. A. On 6/20/07, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. > I > > Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. > > If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. > > I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:30:31 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:30:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706201330x34e3ced9h41b30fcc2f141211@mail.gmail.com> Wow, Martin, that was a very nice thing to say. I'm embarrassed. On the other hand, at the moment the fares from here to there are astonishingly cheap, and one would therefore assume that the reverse is true. Not? A. On 6/20/07, Martin W Reid wrote: > > Arthur > > If I could afford it I would be there in a flash. Your on my list of > AccessD people I want to meet. > > Sort of people to actually shake hands with before I die list. Pity all > you people leive so far away, > > Martin > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jun 20 15:44:14 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? References: <20070620200830.73D01BE35@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: To late John. Have you and Rocky crossed of the list (<: Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of jwcolby Sent: Wed 20/06/2007 21:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? If we refuse to shake your hand does that mean you can't die? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Arthur If I could afford it I would be there in a flash. Your on my list of AccessD people I want to meet. Sort of people to actually shake hands with before I die list. Pity all you people leive so far away, Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jun 20 17:04:15 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:04:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters><005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Bryan and Jim, Great some fellow PhotoShop users! I've own PS since v4 but have used it in even earlier forms. I am now using CS2 (which I think is incredibly slow) compared to earlier versions. What do you think of Gimp? From kp at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 20 20:04:32 2007 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:04:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters><002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne> <001f01c7b33f$d6751f60$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <002e01c7b3a0$2146dd20$6401a8c0@office> Dan - sounds interesting. Maybe we should move it to AccessD instead of tech? What do you think? Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Waters To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) It's always interesting to see how people who work independently (me too) are making money from developing databases or doing something related to databases. This has been my major problem - I can make a great system, but getting companies to pay for it is a real challenge, even though their return on investment is probably 2X to 8X in the first year! I do wonder if we could begin an ongoing discussion on the business side of what each of us does. I think we could all benefit! Does anyone have some thoughts or ideas on how we could do this? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] webcasting Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they paid 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling me. I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the deal. I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to do it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't mind writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making money. Susan H. How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 20 20:09:07 2007 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:09:07 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save up I would be really interested. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 20 20:17:32 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:17:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) In-Reply-To: <002e01c7b3a0$2146dd20$6401a8c0@office> References: <000201c7b2d3$88999a80$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001501c7b2d4$b17cb760$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000d01c7b2e0$35772e50$0200a8c0@danwaters><002501c7b33b$6bec2930$e8b62ad1@SusanOne><001f01c7b33f$d6751f60$0200a8c0@danwaters> <002e01c7b3a0$2146dd20$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000a01c7b3a1$f1ef8020$0200a8c0@danwaters> Good Point! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) Dan - sounds interesting. Maybe we should move it to AccessD instead of tech? What do you think? Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Waters To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Business Side of Databases (was: webcasting) It's always interesting to see how people who work independently (me too) are making money from developing databases or doing something related to databases. This has been my major problem - I can make a great system, but getting companies to pay for it is a real challenge, even though their return on investment is probably 2X to 8X in the first year! I do wonder if we could begin an ongoing discussion on the business side of what each of us does. I think we could all benefit! Does anyone have some thoughts or ideas on how we could do this? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] webcasting Dan, that is exactly what I would do -- and I do think I could get a few reviews -- I hadn't thought of that, but it is a great idea. Writing for other publishers is Okay, but they purchase entire copyrights and then use my stuff in all kinds of ways, making a ton of money off me, and I never see a dime of it, AND they're all paying the same fees they paid 10 years ago AND, I've had two try to CUT my rates, without even telling me. I'm tired of it -- that medium isn't in trouble, but it is constantly changing and the author always, always, always gets the bad end of the deal. I've talked to the same publisher twice about this. The same deal -- although the upfront money isn't bad -- but they want the right to sell these things forever and I never see another dime. I'm just not going to do it. I'd like to get myself into a position where I don't have to sell my stuff to anybody else at all, unless they keep me in the loop. I don't mind writing for other people, I just want to make money when they're making money. Susan H. How about something like: . . . by Susan Harkins, co-author of numerous technical books like: a) b) c) d) and more! If you can get a review of your site by a major site like CNET (or even a news organization) that would go a long way. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 20 20:22:49 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:22:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c7b3a2$afb27310$0200a8c0@danwaters> Now wait a minute Kath. Arthur did a 'bad' thing and now he's stuck on the cold side. Just save up. ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save up I would be really interested. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:25:12 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:25:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706201825n704662f7j90fd8e4931e24300@mail.gmail.com> Last I checked, darling, murder was not a requirement for entry. Let me re-check and get back to you on this. On 6/20/07, Kath Pelletti wrote: > > I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save up > I would be really interested. > > Kath > From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jun 20 20:26:11 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:26:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file In-Reply-To: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000d01c7b3a3$270c57f0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Gustav & Jim, Thanks for the leads to this software. Unfortunately I would have to load this on a customer's server by remote, which I can't do. I'll see if I can get them to do it. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Delete an ldb or mdw file I have a workgroup file that has been 'in use by another process' for several days now. It's not actually, but I can't delete or do anything else with this file, and I can't update my customer's system until this is solved. Is there a way to force delete a file? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 20 20:26:21 2007 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:26:21 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com><006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> <000c01c7b3a2$afb27310$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000e01c7b3a3$30101530$6401a8c0@office> ....:) ...actually I'm all admiration...............a true child of the sixties. I'm saving, I'm saving.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Waters To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Now wait a minute Kath. Arthur did a 'bad' thing and now he's stuck on the cold side. Just save up. ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save up I would be really interested. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I Hell yea. I even suggested something like this a few years back. If it got too big, I know of a classroom that can hold 14 folks. I could even probably rustle up a classroom with 10 +1 workstations :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:34:31 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:34:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201825n704662f7j90fd8e4931e24300@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> <006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office> <29f585dd0706201825n704662f7j90fd8e4931e24300@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706201834w9eb95bq4311a46ac1d90b02@mail.gmail.com> Can we gracefully sidestep the errors of 40 years ago (oh god! I thought I made a typo, but then did a calculation and I was right!) 40 years ago and it's still a problem. If you have teenage kids, you might cc them this message. It can haunt you forever, trust me on this. All that aside, is there any chance that we could do a Third Conference up here in the wilds of Canada. I think that I could borrow a few igloos and dog-teams and we even have electricity up here, now and then. Arthur Kath, just checked, and yes, killing is a requirement. However we are liberal up here (and in fact, so liberal that we don't even of the word liberal as an insult), so you may kill one member of any species you like. Recommended are lice, black flies, pernicious rodents, and foolish Canadians... yikes! I didn't mean me! On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Last I checked, darling, murder was not a requirement for entry. Let me > re-check and get back to you on this. > > On 6/20/07, Kath Pelletti < kp at sdsonline.net> wrote: > > > > I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save > > up I would be really interested. > > > > Kath > > > From kp at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 20 21:30:57 2007 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:30:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com><006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office><29f585dd0706201825n704662f7j90fd8e4931e24300@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0706201834w9eb95bq4311a46ac1d90b02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101c7b3ac$3a106bd0$6401a8c0@office> ........some mistakes you just keep on paying for, and you've obviously done that..............(side stepping...) rodents? lice? black flies? You are not going to get a job in Canadian Tourism anytime soon ;) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Can we gracefully sidestep the errors of 40 years ago (oh god! I thought I made a typo, but then did a calculation and I was right!) 40 years ago and it's still a problem. If you have teenage kids, you might cc them this message. It can haunt you forever, trust me on this. All that aside, is there any chance that we could do a Third Conference up here in the wilds of Canada. I think that I could borrow a few igloos and dog-teams and we even have electricity up here, now and then. Arthur Kath, just checked, and yes, killing is a requirement. However we are liberal up here (and in fact, so liberal that we don't even of the word liberal as an insult), so you may kill one member of any species you like. Recommended are lice, black flies, pernicious rodents, and foolish Canadians... yikes! I didn't mean me! On 6/20/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Last I checked, darling, murder was not a requirement for entry. Let me > re-check and get back to you on this. > > On 6/20/07, Kath Pelletti < kp at sdsonline.net> wrote: > > > > I would kill to get to Canada - so depending on how long I have to save > > up I would be really interested. > > > > Kath > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jun 20 23:40:36 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:40:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201834w9eb95bq4311a46ac1d90b02@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com><006101c7b3a0$c537b490$6401a8c0@office><29f585dd0706201825n704662f7j90fd8e4931e24300@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0706201834w9eb95bq4311a46ac1d90b02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013101c7b3be$508e2700$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Are you quite certain that the CIA is not monitoring your premises? I'd not want to have a conference at your place and then be on their list too ;o))) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Third conference? Can we gracefully sidestep the errors of 40 years ago (oh god! I thought I made a typo, but then did a calculation and I was right!) 40 years ago and it's still a problem. If you have teenage kids, you might cc them this message. It can haunt you forever, trust me on this. All that aside, is there any chance that we could do a Third Conference up here in the wilds of Canada. I think that I could borrow a few igloos and dog-teams and we even have electricity up here, now and then. Arthur Kath, just checked, and yes, killing is a requirement. However we are liberal up here (and in fact, so liberal that we don't even of the word liberal as an insult), so you may kill one member of any species you like. Recommended are lice, black flies, pernicious rodents, and foolish Canadians... yikes! I didn't mean me! From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 20 23:56:59 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:56:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <0JJY008VHYVZJLF1@l-daemon> The price is right but some of the features are a little rugged and not user friendly... but every version gets better. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:04 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] GIMP Bryan and Jim, Great some fellow PhotoShop users! I've own PS since v4 but have used it in even earlier forms. I am now using CS2 (which I think is incredibly slow) compared to earlier versions. What do you think of Gimp? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 21 00:47:36 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:47:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706201259g16f5d807n2c9ac3b9300dac7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JJZ006EX18CQUO2@l-daemon> Hi Arthur: Having a conference in Toronto would be a great idea. A few years or more like many years ago (1984) I went as a rep for the 'Victoria Commodore64 Users Group' to the huge conference hosted by TPUG (Toronto Pet Users Group). The conference filled a whole school with a variety of seminars going on in various class rooms through out and the Gymnasium was where the main addresses given by the Gurus of the day. It was an awesome event and you could not have asked for better hosts. The local group was so large at that time that they produced 2 different magazine... one the 'Transactor' was excellent. (I had a subscription for years.) In 1995, went there again with a friend who had created a Windows like OS that used the 6800 chip set, hand coded in assembler, ran on all Atari's and Mac Classics up, could network all of them, operated in less the 256K and screamed. We went to the Toronto Atari User Group conference and though not as huge as the first conference, it was a good size and we were made more than welcome. I was the product presenter and together we sold almost a hundred copies of my friends OS. Toronto computer conferences bring back a lot of great memories. I am sure a conference there has the potential to be unmatched. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Third conference? (A confession which is probably off-topic: in 1968 I was convicted of possessing some LSD. I was convicted. Five years later I was pardoned. I haven't been remotely near anything like that since about 1970. However, a pardon in Canada does not constitute erasure from the databases in USA, with the result that I cannot attend any of these conferences, much as I would love to.) I wonder if there might be any interest in a conference held in Canada. I live in Mississauga, Ontario. There are hotels nearby. I have space in which to hold our various presentations. Mississauga, Ontario is .5 hours from Toronto, the most multi-cultural city in the world (not my claim alone, this is pretty much universally accepted). Where I live it is very quiet, but I have parking to suit 100 (ask JC). It would be fun to host a bunch of you here. I don't want to intrude upon the prospective schedule, but perhaps a few of you would like to visit this part of the world for a bit. A _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 15:02:54 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:02:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: On 6/20/07, John Bartow wrote: > Bryan and Jim, > Great some fellow PhotoShop users! I've own PS since v4 but have used it in > even earlier forms. I am now using CS2 (which I think is incredibly slow) > compared to earlier versions. > > What do you think of Gimp? Haven't done much in it, but not fond of the interface. What I have done and used has worked well for me, once I figure out where things are. There is a project to take GIMP and give it the same/similar interface to Photoshop. It's called Gimpshop http://plasticbugs.com/?p=241 I haven't used it, but it does seem interesting. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jun 22 12:50:36 2007 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:50:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c7b4f5$d6bb3a10$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> Hi folks Here's an odd thing that's happening to a friend. Running Word 97 on WXP machine he goes to print his doc (any doc). If he uses Print Preview then prints all is fine. If he uses the printer icon from the toolbar, fine. However if he goes File, Print from the menu the doc goes into spooling (seen in the printer queue) but never prints and the doc just closes of its own accord. Whoa! Bizarre. No problem in other Office 97 components (not in Excel at least). Oh and this is happening on two different machines, one desktop one laptop. Anyone seen anything like this or have any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 13:07:55 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:07:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem In-Reply-To: <000a01c7b4f5$d6bb3a10$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> References: <000a01c7b4f5$d6bb3a10$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: On 6/22/07, Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi folks > Here's an odd thing that's happening to a friend. > > Running Word 97 on WXP machine he goes to print his doc (any doc). If he > uses Print Preview then prints all is fine. If he uses the printer icon from > the toolbar, fine. However if he goes File, Print from the menu the doc goes > into spooling (seen in the printer queue) but never prints and the doc just > closes of its own accord. Whoa! Bizarre. No problem in other Office 97 > components (not in Excel at least). Oh and this is happening on two > different machines, one desktop one laptop. > > Anyone seen anything like this or have any ideas? Try renaming normal.dot and let Word rebuild it. Then try File|Print again. If not, try following the steps here: http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=wrd&Number=197827&Search=true&Forum=wrd&Words=&Match=StarPost&Searchpage=0&Limit=20&Old=allposts&Main=197827 -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From john at winhaven.net Fri Jun 22 13:40:31 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:40:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c7b4f5$d6bb3a10$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <01be01c7b4fc$d0baa680$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Bryan, If the normal.dot is deleted does Word rebuild it as originally installed? From john at winhaven.net Fri Jun 22 13:40:31 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:40:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIMP In-Reply-To: <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <003601c7b364$a139f4e0$0200a8c0@danwaters><005a01c7b36a$e12593b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <00c901c7b386$f1fe4170$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <01bf01c7b4fc$d144e520$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I'm glad to see you both think the UI is a bit strange. I agree. I'll have to look into Gimp Shop (I love the name!). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:04 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] GIMP Bryan and Jim, Great some fellow PhotoShop users! I've own PS since v4 but have used it in even earlier forms. I am now using CS2 (which I think is incredibly slow) compared to earlier versions. What do you think of Gimp? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 13:45:19 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:45:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem In-Reply-To: <01be01c7b4fc$d0baa680$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <000a01c7b4f5$d6bb3a10$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> <01be01c7b4fc$d0baa680$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: On 6/22/07, John Bartow wrote: > Bryan, > If the normal.dot is deleted does Word rebuild it as originally installed? Yes it does. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jun 22 17:15:14 2007 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:15:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c7b51a$ced76bf0$aa95d355@minster33c3r25> Thanks for suggestion Bryan I'll ask him to try it. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan Carbonnell > Sent: 22 June 2007 19:08 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Word printing problem > > > On 6/22/07, Andy Lacey wrote: > > Hi folks > > Here's an odd thing that's happening to a friend. > > > > Running Word 97 on WXP machine he goes to print his doc > (any doc). If > > he uses Print Preview then prints all is fine. If he uses > the printer > > icon from the toolbar, fine. However if he goes File, Print > from the > > menu the doc goes into spooling (seen in the printer queue) > but never > > prints and the doc just closes of its own accord. Whoa! Bizarre. No > > problem in other Office 97 components (not in Excel at > least). Oh and > > this is happening on two different machines, one desktop one laptop. > > > > Anyone seen anything like this or have any ideas? > > Try renaming normal.dot and let Word rebuild it. > > Then try File|Print again. > > If not, try following the steps here: > http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=wrd &Number=197827&Search=true&Forum=wrd&Words=&Match=StarPost&Searchpage=0&Limi t=20&Old=allposts&Main=197827 -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 08:56:54 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:56:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Message-ID: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43- I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to download conversion software to get the job done. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 09:02:36 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:02:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the version-options. Arthur On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- > 8f43- > > I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I > just > got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. > > Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in > prior > versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize that you > might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to download conversion > software to get the job done. > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 09:12:58 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:12:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Oh -- that's good to know then -- you can choose to save a 2007 file in a previous format. I suppose the download is aimed at users who have a 2007 document, but not the software then? Susan H. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the version-options. Arthur On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9 > -4aee- > 8f43- > > I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I > just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. > > Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in > prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize > that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to > download conversion software to get the job done. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sun Jun 24 09:27:10 2007 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:27:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: Just set it in the options and it will always default to save as 97-2003 version. there are also download availabel for Office 2003 to enable working with the new file types but you still lose some of the features. Have a look for example at the Save Option in Word. CLick the Office Button and select Word Options then the Save category. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins Sent: Sun 24/06/2007 15:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Oh -- that's good to know then -- you can choose to save a 2007 file in a previous format. I suppose the download is aimed at users who have a 2007 document, but not the software then? Susan H. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the version-options. Arthur On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9 > -4aee- > 8f43- > > I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I > just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. > > Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in > prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize > that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to > download conversion software to get the job done. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 09:41:24 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:41:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne> What I noticed is that the compatiability download is the MS's second most popular download -- I'm wondering what that means. A lot of people getting 07 files, but don't have Office 07???? Susan H. Just set it in the options and it will always default to save as 97-2003 version. there are also download availabel for Office 2003 to enable working with the new file types but you still lose some of the features. Have a look for example at the Save Option in Word. CLick the Office Button and select Word Options then the Save category. Martin Martin WP Reid Training and Assessment Unit Riddle Hall Belfast tel: 02890 974465 ________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins Sent: Sun 24/06/2007 15:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Oh -- that's good to know then -- you can choose to save a 2007 file in a previous format. I suppose the download is aimed at users who have a 2007 document, but not the software then? Susan H. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the version-options. Arthur On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9 > -4aee- > 8f43- > > I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I > just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. > > Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in > prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize > that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to > download conversion software to get the job done. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jun 24 10:26:39 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:26:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net> Susan >A lot of people getting 07 files, but don't have Office 07???? Sure, why not? PB Susan Harkins wrote: > What I noticed is that the compatiability download is the MS's second most > popular download -- I'm wondering what that means. > > A lot of people getting 07 files, but don't have Office 07???? > > Susan H. > > Just set it in the options and it will always default to save as 97-2003 > version. there are also download availabel for Office 2003 to enable working > with the new file types but you still lose some of the features. > > Have a look for example at the Save Option in Word. CLick the Office Button > and select Word Options then the Save category. > > Martin > > Martin WP Reid > Training and Assessment Unit > Riddle Hall > Belfast > > tel: 02890 974465 > > > ________________________________ > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sun 24/06/2007 15:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 > > > > Oh -- that's good to know then -- you can choose to save a 2007 file in a > previous format. I suppose the download is aimed at users who have a 2007 > document, but not the software then? > > Susan H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 > > All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these > cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to > maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the > version-options. > > Arthur > > > On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9 >> -4aee- >> 8f43- >> >> I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I >> just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. >> >> Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in >> prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize >> that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to >> download conversion software to get the job done. >> >> Susan H. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 24 10:36:02 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:36:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b> The compatibility files also include some security updates for Office 2003, which is certainly why I downloaded them. Don't know anyone who's got 2007 yet, so I'm guessing it's the security features that's the main reason. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 24 June 2007 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Susan >A lot of people getting 07 files, but don't have Office 07???? Sure, why not? PB Susan Harkins wrote: > What I noticed is that the compatiability download is the MS's second > most popular download -- I'm wondering what that means. > > A lot of people getting 07 files, but don't have Office 07???? > > Susan H. > > Just set it in the options and it will always default to save as > 97-2003 version. there are also download availabel for Office 2003 to > enable working with the new file types but you still lose some of the features. > > Have a look for example at the Save Option in Word. CLick the Office > Button and select Word Options then the Save category. > > Martin > > Martin WP Reid > Training and Assessment Unit > Riddle Hall > Belfast > > tel: 02890 974465 > > > ________________________________ > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sun 24/06/2007 15:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 > > > > Oh -- that's good to know then -- you can choose to save a 2007 file > in a previous format. I suppose the download is aimed at users who > have a 2007 document, but not the software then? > > Susan H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 > > All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, > these cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if > you wish to maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you > get the version-options. > > Arthur > > > On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae >> 9 >> -4aee- >> 8f43- >> >> I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but >> I just got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. >> >> Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in >> prior versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I >> realize that you might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have >> to download conversion software to get the job done. >> >> Susan H. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: > 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: > 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 10:55:23 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:55:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne><467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net> <000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <007001c7b678$14bcb270$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Jon, can you tell me anything more about the security updates? I can't find anything in the download's explanation: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&DisplayLang=en Susan H. The compatibility files also include some security updates for Office 2003, which is certainly why I downloaded them. Don't know anyone who's got 2007 yet, so I'm guessing it's the security features that's the main reason. From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 10:59:30 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Message-ID: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=44fa7f93-7d57-4523- b0c9-2ce54397b732&DisplayLang=en Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Anyone had a look at this yet? Susan H. From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 24 11:16:21 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:16:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <007001c7b678$14bcb270$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne><467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net><000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b> <007001c7b678$14bcb270$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000901c7b67b$01688c50$0200a8c0@jt2b> What I heard is that they make it as robust and "secure" as 2007, but it was an optional install (which seems odd to me, surely everyone wants secure software?). Check this link out for details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/22/office_moice/ You install these, and they download and install the compatibility files for 2007 the next time you do a windows update. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 June 2007 16:55 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Jon, can you tell me anything more about the security updates? I can't find anything in the download's explanation: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&DisplayLang=en Susan H. The compatibility files also include some security updates for Office 2003, which is certainly why I downloaded them. Don't know anyone who's got 2007 yet, so I'm guessing it's the security features that's the main reason. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jun 24 12:50:07 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:50:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Yes - but just barely. I converted my FrontPage site to this one. All I had to do was open the site with Expression instead of opening it with FrontPage. Then I uploaded all the files again - and that was all I did. Some features (database-related?) still require FP Extensions to be installed on the Host. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=44fa7f93-7d57-4523- b0c9-2ce54397b732&DisplayLang=en Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Anyone had a look at this yet? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Jun 24 14:27:50 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:27:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467EC5B6.3060900@shaw.ca> If you open any of these four-character file extension .dotx, .docx, xltx, xlsx etc. with WinZip you will find they are a compressed collection of xml files. This is why you need a conversion utility for older versions of Office Even Access has its own template files .accdt that are compressed xml files You can find samples of these at C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2007\Templates\1033\Access\ Arthur Fuller wrote: >All Office 2007 apps use a four-character file extension, and yes, these >cannot be opened in any previous version of Office. However, if you wish to >maintain compatibility, use File | Save As and then you get the >version-options. > >Arthur > > >On 6/24/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > >>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- >>8f43- >> >>I know this is going to sound like a hopelessly stupid question, but I >>just >>got Office 2007 this morning and I haven't even installed it. >> >>Am I understanding this correctly -- you can't open 2007 documents in >>prior >>versions? I know this use to happen in the old days... I realize that you >>might lose services, but I'm surprised that I have to download conversion >>software to get the job done. >> >>Susan H. >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 16:11:16 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:11:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <000901c7b67b$01688c50$0200a8c0@jt2b> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne><467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net><000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b><007001c7b678$14bcb270$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <000901c7b67b$01688c50$0200a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <00c801c7b6a4$359afcf0$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Thanks for the link -- that was interesting reading. It's interesting that the actual download content doesn't mention the security issues. Maybe you have to dig deeper, but should I have to? Do you know if the security upgrades are suggested for Office 2003 users without Office 2007? Susan H. What I heard is that they make it as robust and "secure" as 2007, but it was an optional install (which seems odd to me, surely everyone wants secure software?). Check this link out for details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/22/office_moice/ You install these, and they download and install the compatibility files for 2007 the next time you do a windows update. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 June 2007 16:55 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Jon, can you tell me anything more about the security updates? I can't find anything in the download's explanation: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&DisplayLang=en Susan H. The compatibility files also include some security updates for Office 2003, which is certainly why I downloaded them. Don't know anyone who's got 2007 yet, so I'm guessing it's the security features that's the main reason. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 24 16:18:07 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:18:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <00c801c7b6a4$359afcf0$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <002e01c7b667$869ad810$84b82ad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706240702v12c6a964qd685509e40a18164@mail.gmail.com><003d01c7b669$c52cb010$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <005e01c7b66d$bdaab400$84b82ad1@SusanOne><467E8D2F.2030005@earthlink.net><000801c7b675$5f7f5e00$0200a8c0@jt2b><007001c7b678$14bcb270$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000901c7b67b$01688c50$0200a8c0@jt2b> <00c801c7b6a4$359afcf0$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000001c7b6a5$2959d280$0200a8c0@jt2b> I don't know about "suggested" as such, but I'm not using 2007, I just wanted the extra security stuff. We're still mostly on 2000/2002 at work, barely any 2003, let alone 2007, so I can't see us needing it for a good while, and I'm certainly not going to cough up for it if I don't have to! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 June 2007 22:11 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Thanks for the link -- that was interesting reading. It's interesting that the actual download content doesn't mention the security issues. Maybe you have to dig deeper, but should I have to? Do you know if the security upgrades are suggested for Office 2003 users without Office 2007? Susan H. What I heard is that they make it as robust and "secure" as 2007, but it was an optional install (which seems odd to me, surely everyone wants secure software?). Check this link out for details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/22/office_moice/ You install these, and they download and install the compatibility files for 2007 the next time you do a windows update. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 24 June 2007 16:55 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A question about Office 2007 Jon, can you tell me anything more about the security updates? I can't find anything in the download's explanation: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&DisplayLang=en Susan H. The compatibility files also include some security updates for Office 2003, which is certainly why I downloaded them. Don't know anyone who's got 2007 yet, so I'm guessing it's the security features that's the main reason. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at setel.com Sun Jun 24 16:20:25 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:20:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Dan, why did you convert? Susan H. Yes - but just barely. I converted my FrontPage site to this one. All I had to do was open the site with Expression instead of opening it with FrontPage. Then I uploaded all the files again - and that was all I did. Some features (database-related?) still require FP Extensions to be installed on the Host. From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jun 24 18:44:46 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:44:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I knew that FP has seen the end of it's days, so a while back I bought a copy of Expression Web. But about a month ago, I started having trouble uploading files to my host. I couldn't make it work - kept getting an error message about 'can't parse'. All the info I could find about this error said that I needed to install FP extensions. Host said that did that, but still no luck. Then host said they recommended not using FP, and since I already had Expression Web, I went ahead and did that. Now when I upload things do work. I don't really believe that the folks at my web host really know why I couldn't upload before, but I could upgrade so I did, and it did work out. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Dan, why did you convert? Susan H. Yes - but just barely. I converted my FrontPage site to this one. All I had to do was open the site with Expression instead of opening it with FrontPage. Then I uploaded all the files again - and that was all I did. Some features (database-related?) still require FP Extensions to be installed on the Host. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 06:01:32 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:01:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon or? Message-ID: <29f585dd0706250401if4670b4o2b90fd24f6546af8@mail.gmail.com> A new client wants me to investigate the auto-billing possibilities for possible inclusion into the app. Currently, she uses a swipe thing with a slow phone connection etc. I have done this once before, but that was about 3 years ago, and I would assume (gasp) that the technology has evolved. Here is precisely what I want: a) assume the computer is net-connected on a fast connection; b) assume that the customer credit card numbers are stored (in encrypted form, in case the laptop is stolen), but that my clever code can decrypt the numbers and then send them to the appropriate receiver (Verisign, MC, Amex, etc.) Last time I climbed upon this horse, there were big issues about bank accounts relating to payment-methods. That is, one bank supported VISA, say, while another supported MC and Diners Club.... this sort of thing results in the client firm having several bank accounts at several banks, which is nonsense. As I said, last time I walked this street, that was everything available. What I want is a one-click method that can hit all of these and even include debit-card. I want anyone with credit and/or funds to be able to click a button and buy a product. I don't care if you're involving Amex or MC or DC or Discover or your green-card. I DON'T care, so long as the transaction goes through. So that's item d) I want every form of payment possible to be accepted. The easy stuff is PayPal etc. Anyone can code an interface to that sort of system. Verizon also makes possible an interface along the lines I've sketched, but at a big chunk of each transaction. I'm no expert on this stuff. I did some research a few years back and implemented what I deemed the best available at the time. My choice may well have been wrong. I will give you that, no problem. What I need to know now is, what is the best current option? TIA, Arthur From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 25 11:01:53 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:01:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne> <000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <001001c7b742$26932310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Dan, Hmmm, sounds fishy - even with FP 2003 you're not supposed to need FP extensions unless you use an old FP component(s). I've been having problems with FP 2003 uploads lately (ever since my host moved my sites to upgraded servers) so maybe its something else completely. Some days I can just click "Publish..." and some days I have to send the updated files one by one and when done click publish to see if missed any. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial I knew that FP has seen the end of it's days, so a while back I bought a copy of Expression Web. But about a month ago, I started having trouble uploading files to my host. I couldn't make it work - kept getting an error message about 'can't parse'. All the info I could find about this error said that I needed to install FP extensions. Host said that did that, but still no luck. Then host said they recommended not using FP, and since I already had Expression Web, I went ahead and did that. Now when I upload things do work. I don't really believe that the folks at my web host really know why I couldn't upload before, but I could upgrade so I did, and it did work out. From ssharkins at setel.com Tue Jun 26 07:12:17 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:12:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead of curly quotes Message-ID: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> Here's something that drives me nuts. Word's default is curly quotes (I think it's the default). However, Spellcheck uses straight quotes if I enter a quote character. Why in the world would it do that? That means I have to remember to change the quote when I finish running SpellCheck. Is there a fix for that? Susan H. From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jun 26 07:40:54 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:40:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <001001c7b742$26932310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <001001c7b742$26932310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <000001c7b7ef$3d550fc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> My experience exactly! The reason I needed FP extensions was only because of the selection I made for the publishing method (FrontPage or Sharepoint Services). Expression has the same selections for the publishing method. The book I bought for Expression strongly recommends using the same method if FP Extensions are available. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Hi Dan, Hmmm, sounds fishy - even with FP 2003 you're not supposed to need FP extensions unless you use an old FP component(s). I've been having problems with FP 2003 uploads lately (ever since my host moved my sites to upgraded servers) so maybe its something else completely. Some days I can just click "Publish..." and some days I have to send the updated files one by one and when done click publish to see if missed any. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial I knew that FP has seen the end of it's days, so a while back I bought a copy of Expression Web. But about a month ago, I started having trouble uploading files to my host. I couldn't make it work - kept getting an error message about 'can't parse'. All the info I could find about this error said that I needed to install FP extensions. Host said that did that, but still no luck. Then host said they recommended not using FP, and since I already had Expression Web, I went ahead and did that. Now when I upload things do work. I don't really believe that the folks at my web host really know why I couldn't upload before, but I could upgrade so I did, and it did work out. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 26 11:22:44 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:22:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead of curlyquotes In-Reply-To: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> References: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <012001c7b80e$3adb1e00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> WordPerfect? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Here's something that drives me nuts. Word's default is curly quotes (I think it's the default). However, Spellcheck uses straight quotes if I enter a quote character. Why in the world would it do that? That means I have to remember to change the quote when I finish running SpellCheck. Is there a fix for that? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 26 11:25:48 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:25:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights Message-ID: <20070626162548.EE0D1BFE2@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> This is something that I rediscovered the other day and set back up on all of my machines. I will let them explain what they do but I find it useful as one more step towards security on my machines here at the home office. http://nonadmin.editme.com/DropMyRights John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 26 11:33:13 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:33:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead ofcurlyquotes In-Reply-To: <012001c7b80e$3adb1e00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <20070626163314.05BD5BE21@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> ROTFL. Not in the real world. ;-) John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead ofcurlyquotes WordPerfect? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Here's something that drives me nuts. Word's default is curly quotes (I think it's the default). However, Spellcheck uses straight quotes if I enter a quote character. Why in the world would it do that? That means I have to remember to change the quote when I finish running SpellCheck. Is there a fix for that? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 26 11:53:18 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:53:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <000001c7b7ef$3d550fc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><001001c7b742$26932310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <000001c7b7ef$3d550fc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <012401c7b812$7ffc9410$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Dan (or any one else), Have you used MS Expression Web on a site where other users are still using FP 2003? I have a situation where I have a (client) web site and one of the users who has a sub site wants to buy a new computer with Vista on it. From what I can find FP 2003 has some major issues running on Vista. So right now I'm not saying she can use Expression Web for the sub site because I haven't had a chance to test the results of this kind of interaction. The main site and the sub site's should be totally independent of each other and the sub site admins should be able to use whatever they want to maintain their sub site. (I don't allow the person who maintains the main site to edit on the sub sites at all (politics at its finest.) Up to this point everything has worked well by requiring them to use FP 2003 so I'm a bit leery of this changing anything until its been proven to work. John B. From ssharkins at setel.com Tue Jun 26 12:51:02 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:51:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead ofcurlyquotes In-Reply-To: <012001c7b80e$3adb1e00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> <012001c7b80e$3adb1e00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <003701c7b81a$90eefb70$1232fad1@SusanOne> Oh you're SO much help.... :) Susan H. WordPerfect? From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 26 14:40:33 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:40:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights In-Reply-To: <20070626162548.EE0D1BFE2@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JK9001C3D3VSG51@l-daemon> That tool could be very useful... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights This is something that I rediscovered the other day and set back up on all of my machines. I will let them explain what they do but I find it useful as one more step towards security on my machines here at the home office. http://nonadmin.editme.com/DropMyRights John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 26 14:59:38 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:59:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights In-Reply-To: <0JK9001C3D3VSG51@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070626195939.3D283BCC9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I use it to drop the rights of FireFox, Explorer and Outlook - the three applications on my machines that typically directly risk infection. It works. No longer can you download, switch to the download window and execute. The download window that opens also has lower rights (because it is opened by the browser) and so cannot execute programs. If you want to execute the downloads you have to open explorer and go find them and open them. I think it is especially useful for machines that neophytes use since it effectively squashes their ability to download (or more correctly run) infected junk and it squashes the ability of outside forces from doing so without your permissions. The only problem that took some thinking to figure out was loading firefox add-ons. They can't install either. You have to go download the add-ons with an instance of FireFox that was not opened by DropMyrights in order for the add-ons to correctly install. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights That tool could be very useful... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:26 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] DropMyRights This is something that I rediscovered the other day and set back up on all of my machines. I will let them explain what they do but I find it useful as one more step towards security on my machines here at the home office. http://nonadmin.editme.com/DropMyRights John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jun 26 20:18:06 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:18:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial In-Reply-To: <012401c7b812$7ffc9410$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <007201c7b678$a766c750$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000801c7b688$1ac53dd0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00cf01c7b6a5$7bcf7100$84b82ad1@SusanOne><000301c7b6b9$a87d08c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><001001c7b742$26932310$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000001c7b7ef$3d550fc0$0200a8c0@danwaters> <012401c7b812$7ffc9410$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <001e01c7b859$0560ab50$0200a8c0@danwaters> Hi John, I don't have experience with this, but I would predict possible issues using both FP and EW. MS says that EW is a successor, not an upgrade from FP. They also state that while FP was rather loose with web site standards, EW follows standards strictly. I'm not a web developer so I'm not familiar with web site standards, but I'm sure to a developer being able to count on them is important! I got a copy of Que's Special Edition - Using Expression Web, by Jim Cheshire, and it seems thorough to me. BOL! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:53 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Expression Web Free Trial Dan (or any one else), Have you used MS Expression Web on a site where other users are still using FP 2003? I have a situation where I have a (client) web site and one of the users who has a sub site wants to buy a new computer with Vista on it. From what I can find FP 2003 has some major issues running on Vista. So right now I'm not saying she can use Expression Web for the sub site because I haven't had a chance to test the results of this kind of interaction. The main site and the sub site's should be totally independent of each other and the sub site admins should be able to use whatever they want to maintain their sub site. (I don't allow the person who maintains the main site to edit on the sub sites at all (politics at its finest.) Up to this point everything has worked well by requiring them to use FP 2003 so I'm a bit leery of this changing anything until its been proven to work. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 27 09:32:56 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:32:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Message-ID: <20070627143258.BBDBDBD68@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Suddenly Windows is emitting totally obnoxious beeps in all kinds of different programs, things like backspace when there is no place to backspace to, whenever messages pop up etc. No idea why but it didn't do that prior to yesterday. And no, I cannot remember doing anything to cause it, nor any install etc. Heeeeelp, I'm going crazy being beeped at. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 27 09:34:40 2007 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:34:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Message-ID: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73D00E3@ALCEXLG1> did you log in with a different username? for some reason Windows assumes that each new user wants to be beeped at when the last person didn't... go to control panels, sounds, change the scheme to no sounds Jon -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Suddenly Windows is emitting totally obnoxious beeps in all kinds of different programs, things like backspace when there is no place to backspace to, whenever messages pop up etc. No idea why but it didn't do that prior to yesterday. And no, I cannot remember doing anything to cause it, nor any install etc. Heeeeelp, I'm going crazy being beeped at. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 27 09:45:36 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps In-Reply-To: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73D00E3@ALCEXLG1> Message-ID: <20070627144537.E75AABE1A@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Hmm.... That may have done it. I will check back with results. There was NO "sound scheme" selected, so I selected "no sound", whereupon it beeped at me and displayed a warning about saving my old scheme. I suspect that having selected no sound I will in fact get no sounds now. How the sound scheme got set to nothing is beyond me. But there you have it. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps did you log in with a different username? for some reason Windows assumes that each new user wants to be beeped at when the last person didn't... go to control panels, sounds, change the scheme to no sounds Jon -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Suddenly Windows is emitting totally obnoxious beeps in all kinds of different programs, things like backspace when there is no place to backspace to, whenever messages pop up etc. No idea why but it didn't do that prior to yesterday. And no, I cannot remember doing anything to cause it, nor any install etc. Heeeeelp, I'm going crazy being beeped at. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 27 09:45:21 2007 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:45:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Message-ID: <3F27A64D4EF89140AC765068A7F373D73D00E4@ALCEXLG1> You won't get any system beeps, but it shouldn't affect any CD's or anything you might want to hear. Jon -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Hmm.... That may have done it. I will check back with results. There was NO "sound scheme" selected, so I selected "no sound", whereupon it beeped at me and displayed a warning about saving my old scheme. I suspect that having selected no sound I will in fact get no sounds now. How the sound scheme got set to nothing is beyond me. But there you have it. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps did you log in with a different username? for some reason Windows assumes that each new user wants to be beeped at when the last person didn't... go to control panels, sounds, change the scheme to no sounds Jon -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Loud and obnoxious beeps Suddenly Windows is emitting totally obnoxious beeps in all kinds of different programs, things like backspace when there is no place to backspace to, whenever messages pop up etc. No idea why but it didn't do that prior to yesterday. And no, I cannot remember doing anything to cause it, nor any install etc. Heeeeelp, I'm going crazy being beeped at. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 27 10:23:18 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Loud and obnoxious beeps In-Reply-To: <012001c7b8cd$68fd36a0$5032fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <20070627152320.78648BD97@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> I found it. I bought a brand new Del M90 about a month ago now. I have been getting a blue screen about once a week or so. One of the "suggested possibilities" was the high def sound system, so I went out an shut off the device. Apparently this completely shut down the sound system of the laptop so it reverted to using the computer's "beep". Whereas with the sound device turned on, no sounds are emitted for such things, with it turned off they are. Thus turning off the sound system freed my computer to beep at me. I just turned on the sound system and voila, no more beeps. Pretty strange if you ask me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Loud and obnoxious beeps John, anytime something "changes" on my computer, I look to the little people... :) Lexie is almost 9 and is amazingly good with the computer in that she doesn't just automatically click stuff when she doesn't really know what to do -- she always asks. However, I've found that sometimes her games and web sites change settings and they don't even know it. I realize most of you probably don't let your kids/grandkids use your production systems, but I'm just writing now -- I don't have the same kind of critical issues at hand that you do -- but just in case, I thought I'd mention it as a possibility. Susan H. It is looking like it might be a windows "sound scheme" issue, and fixed by selecting "no sound" scheme. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 10:32:20 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:32:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 Message-ID: <012101c7b8d0$5b230ac0$5032fad1@SusanOne> I'm still with IE 6 -- wondering if it's time to go ahead and upgrade? Any problems with 7? Apparently it has an automatic RSS feed, which I would really appreciate. Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 27 11:21:50 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:21:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 In-Reply-To: <012101c7b8d0$5b230ac0$5032fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0JKA00K7IYKKZX01@l-daemon> Hi Susan: I have found no particular issues, it runs as you would expect. IE7 has a lot of security features turned on by default which could make the product impossible to use... but once turned off it works as expected. I recommendation that you also have FireFox on your computer as there are certain sites where one of the other will not respond properly. (Example: could not order a domain for a client with IE7 but that was the fault of the hosting company who had written their user interface and only used FF to test it with, without bothering to test with IE.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 I'm still with IE 6 -- wondering if it's time to go ahead and upgrade? Any problems with 7? Apparently it has an automatic RSS feed, which I would really appreciate. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 11:50:44 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:50:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 Message-ID: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne> I didn't install Outlook 2007 because I didn't want to uninstall 2003. Now, it looks like I'll have to because a publishers wanting 2007 content. If I uninstall 2003, am I going to lose everything? I have no idea how to go about this. I'd like to install 2007 on a different system and keep them both -- I may still go that route. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 12:10:59 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:10:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 In-Reply-To: <0JKA00K7IYKKZX01@l-daemon> References: <012101c7b8d0$5b230ac0$5032fad1@SusanOne> <0JKA00K7IYKKZX01@l-daemon> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706271010s7eb2473ai502541ddb8965c8c@mail.gmail.com> I would go with FireFox, although I use both just to check out what works and what doesn't. On 6/27/07, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi Susan: > > I have found no particular issues, it runs as you would expect. IE7 has a > lot of security features turned on by default which could make the product > impossible to use... but once turned off it works as expected. I > recommendation that you also have FireFox on your computer as there are > certain sites where one of the other will not respond properly. (Example: > could not order a domain for a client with IE7 but that was the fault of > the > hosting company who had written their user interface and only used FF to > test it with, without bothering to test with IE.) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:32 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 > > I'm still with IE 6 -- wondering if it's time to go ahead and upgrade? Any > problems with 7? Apparently it has an automatic RSS feed, which I would > really appreciate. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 14:14:41 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne> References: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com> Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you can do almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. On 6/27/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > I didn't install Outlook 2007 because I didn't want to uninstall 2003. > Now, > it looks like I'll have to because a publishers wanting 2007 content. > > If I uninstall 2003, am I going to lose everything? I have no idea how to > go > about this. I'd like to install 2007 on a different system and keep them > both -- I may still go that route. > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 15:07:34 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:07:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com> References: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c7b8f6$cd7263c0$8f32fad1@SusanOne> What is VM? Susan H. Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you can do almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 15:15:36 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:15:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <001601c7b8f6$cd7263c0$8f32fad1@SusanOne> References: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com> <001601c7b8f6$cd7263c0$8f32fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> Nevermind Arthur -- I get it -- I just had a duh moment. I don't think this is a solution for me unless it's cheap. Susan H. What is VM? Susan H. Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you can do almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 27 15:22:37 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:22:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <20070627202238.91718BD07@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Is free cheap enough? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 Nevermind Arthur -- I get it -- I just had a duh moment. I don't think this is a solution for me unless it's cheap. Susan H. What is VM? Susan H. Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you can do almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Jun 27 16:03:01 2007 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:03:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead of curly quotes In-Reply-To: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> References: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4682D085.8080602@shaw.ca> First make sure ?Replace straight quotes with Smart quotes? is ticked, on the ?AutoFormat As You Type? tab under Tools + Autocorrect; and if you want to use a highlight in the replace, make sure the default highlight colour on the Reviewing toolbar is set to the colour you want. Here are macros and explanation http://word.mvps.org/faqs/macrosvba/replacequotescontent.htm Susan Harkins wrote: >Here's something that drives me nuts. Word's default is curly quotes (I >think it's the default). However, Spellcheck uses straight quotes if I enter >a quote character. Why in the world would it do that? That means I have to >remember to change the quote when I finish running SpellCheck. Is there a >fix for that? > >Susan H. > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 16:27:24 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:27:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> References: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com> <001601c7b8f6$cd7263c0$8f32fad1@SusanOne> <002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: It's free. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx GK On 6/27/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > Nevermind Arthur -- I get it -- I just had a duh moment. > > I don't think this is a solution for me unless it's cheap. > > Susan H. > > What is VM? > > Susan H. > > Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you can do > almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 18:01:13 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:01:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070627202238.91718BD07@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> References: <002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> <20070627202238.91718BD07@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <001401c7b90f$134845a0$4934fad1@SusanOne> Yes, always. :) Unfortunately, the learning curve and installation process also matter. I work with just one system. I have another one, but my husband fusses if I touch it. :( I set aside July to reformat and start over because I am so infected with spyware and adware and nothing actually gets rid of it permanently. This might be the right time for VM, especially since I really need to have Outlook 2003 and 2007 available for writing purposes. Susan H. Is free cheap enough? From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 18:01:13 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:01:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word SpellCheck uses straight quotes instead of curly quotes In-Reply-To: <4682D085.8080602@shaw.ca> References: <003201c7b7eb$41cd0020$8bb82ad1@SusanOne> <4682D085.8080602@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <001501c7b90f$15efbef0$4934fad1@SusanOne> I'll give this a try. If it works, I owe you. ;) Susan H. First make sure "Replace straight quotes with Smart quotes" is ticked, on the "AutoFormat As You Type" tab under Tools + Autocorrect; and if you want to use a highlight in the replace, make sure the default highlight colour on the Reviewing toolbar is set to the colour you want. Here are macros and explanation http://word.mvps.org/faqs/macrosvba/replacequotescontent.htm Susan Harkins wrote: >Here's something that drives me nuts. Word's default is curly quotes (I >think it's the default). However, Spellcheck uses straight quotes if I >enter a quote character. Why in the world would it do that? That means >I have to remember to change the quote when I finish running >SpellCheck. Is there a fix for that? > >Susan H. > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM From ssharkins at setel.com Wed Jun 27 18:01:13 2007 From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:01:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstalling Outlook 2003 for Outlook 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <014501c7b8db$4e4e4750$5032fad1@SusanOne><29f585dd0706271214x4a90c8cep5822ca0ff9246e07@mail.gmail.com><001601c7b8f6$cd7263c0$8f32fad1@SusanOne><002101c7b8f7$edcff410$8f32fad1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001b01c7b90f$1db8d950$4934fad1@SusanOne> Thank you -- I'll take a look. :) Susan H. It's free. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx GK On 6/27/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > Nevermind Arthur -- I get it -- I just had a duh moment. > > I don't think this is a solution for me unless it's cheap. > > Susan H. > > What is VM? > > Susan H. > > Time to think about VM, Susan. That would be my conjecture. Then you > can do almost anything you want, even transcending Windows versions. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 28 23:25:00 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:25:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Servers Message-ID: <20070629042505.0FBD6BD54@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Are you able to assign cores, specific memory amounts, specific drive amounts etc to server instances? I can now obtain real dual quad core machines (8 cores) - motherboards with 16gb memory, processors, raid and (12) 750g hard drives, case and PS for about $7000. If I could run virtual machines then I could essentially have 4 dual core machines with 4g / machine for under 2K each, all in one single chassis. Best of all I could start with a single proc (quad cores) and 4 or 5 hard drives, and add more memory, another core, and more hard drives as needed. This is intriguing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From pharold at proftesting.com Fri Jun 29 11:10:32 2007 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 In-Reply-To: <0JKA00K7IYKKZX01@l-daemon> References: <012101c7b8d0$5b230ac0$5032fad1@SusanOne> <0JKA00K7IYKKZX01@l-daemon> Message-ID: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD03D1F3@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local> There are a couple applications that won't work currently with IE7. PaperTiger being one. I know there's at least one other but can't remember it at the moment. Otherwise have had no problems with it at all. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc 407-264-2993 pharold at proftesting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE 7 Hi Susan: I have found no particular issues, it runs as you would expect. IE7 has a lot of security features turned on by default which could make the product impossible to use... but once turned off it works as expected. I recommendation that you also have FireFox on your computer as there are certain sites where one of the other will not respond properly. (Example: could not order a domain for a client with IE7 but that was the fault of the hosting company who had written their user interface and only used FF to test it with, without bothering to test with IE.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 I'm still with IE 6 -- wondering if it's time to go ahead and upgrade? Any problems with 7? Apparently it has an automatic RSS feed, which I would really appreciate. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 29 15:45:02 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:45:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Message-ID: <20070629204507.1CB9EBF80@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 29 16:51:48 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:51:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux In-Reply-To: <20070629204507.1CB9EBF80@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JKF003YS375CBI2@l-daemon> Hi John: I have been working with a 64bit version of Oracle but it was a nightmare to install as the hardware and the OS did not like each other and though I think it now has been changing, the drivers were/are still only 32bit and not very compatible. I experienced issues with sound, LAN connections, video displays and even printers. There were no obvious performance improvements over a 32bit DB version, on the same 64bit platform but I was only working with files of 100,000 records and less and not 10 of millions. The latest version of Linux/Vista/Server2003 are supposed have resolved these issues but I will be taking the wait and see approach before I make the next foray in the world of the 64bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jun 29 17:26:23 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:26:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux In-Reply-To: <0JKF003YS375CBI2@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20070629222628.10C2ABCD8@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Yea I hear you. My issue is that in the 32 bit (windows) world, you only get 2gb assigned to the application. When you are trying to join a long (8 byte) from 65 million records with a long on 50 million records... You can use up a fair portion of your memory just on getting the join data into memory, never mind any other data. Not that I have a clue how SQL Server actually implements a join but still, you get my point here. I can afford (and my machines can handle) 8 gbytes but Windows 32 simply doesn't use it unless you step up to the advanced versions of Windows and then you start bleeding through the nose in licensing fees. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John: I have been working with a 64bit version of Oracle but it was a nightmare to install as the hardware and the OS did not like each other and though I think it now has been changing, the drivers were/are still only 32bit and not very compatible. I experienced issues with sound, LAN connections, video displays and even printers. There were no obvious performance improvements over a 32bit DB version, on the same 64bit platform but I was only working with files of 100,000 records and less and not 10 of millions. The latest version of Linux/Vista/Server2003 are supposed have resolved these issues but I will be taking the wait and see approach before I make the next foray in the world of the 64bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 29 18:53:34 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:53:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux In-Reply-To: <20070629222628.10C2ABCD8@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Message-ID: <0JKF00A3J8U23ZS1@l-daemon> Hi John: I hate to say it but the 64bit Linux OS; http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta and http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ might be the OS on which to go for and that may have you losing .Net though I have heard Mono http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page might be worth investigating and then you would have to go with the 64bit MySQL Community Server: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.0.html (son-in-law is running a site with approximately 38 million records on MySQL.) or you could try the full 64bit Oracle Enterprise version http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/index. html, download and run for free but if you need help you have to patch up and pay up. And then there is the 64bit MS SQL trial version (180 days) http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sqlserver/bb462637.aspx Here is a list of the top computer site and their OS of choice: http://www.top500.org/stats/list/29/osfam Then there is always VMWare (and its testing capability software: http://www.petri.co.il/virtual_run_a_64_bit_guest_operating_system_in_vmware .htm) and that will allow the use of Windows apps. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Yea I hear you. My issue is that in the 32 bit (windows) world, you only get 2gb assigned to the application. When you are trying to join a long (8 byte) from 65 million records with a long on 50 million records... You can use up a fair portion of your memory just on getting the join data into memory, never mind any other data. Not that I have a clue how SQL Server actually implements a join but still, you get my point here. I can afford (and my machines can handle) 8 gbytes but Windows 32 simply doesn't use it unless you step up to the advanced versions of Windows and then you start bleeding through the nose in licensing fees. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John: I have been working with a 64bit version of Oracle but it was a nightmare to install as the hardware and the OS did not like each other and though I think it now has been changing, the drivers were/are still only 32bit and not very compatible. I experienced issues with sound, LAN connections, video displays and even printers. There were no obvious performance improvements over a 32bit DB version, on the same 64bit platform but I was only working with files of 100,000 records and less and not 10 of millions. The latest version of Linux/Vista/Server2003 are supposed have resolved these issues but I will be taking the wait and see approach before I make the next foray in the world of the 64bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jun 30 03:05:33 2007 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:05:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Message-ID: Hi John The Action Pack will contain Windows Server 2003 R2 and 2008 Beta 3 both in 64-bit: https://partner.microsoft.com/40013779 The /3GB switch allocates more user mode memory but only to certain applications (like Exchange 2003 and SQL Server) prepared for this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx A lot more on this can be read here: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/05/208908.aspx /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 30-06-07 0:26 >>> Yea I hear you. My issue is that in the 32 bit (windows) world, you only get 2gb assigned to the application. When you are trying to join a long (8 byte) from 65 million records with a long on 50 million records... You can use up a fair portion of your memory just on getting the join data into memory, never mind any other data. Not that I have a clue how SQL Server actually implements a join but still, you get my point here. I can afford (and my machines can handle) 8 gbytes but Windows 32 simply doesn't use it unless you step up to the advanced versions of Windows and then you start bleeding through the nose in licensing fees. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John: I have been working with a 64bit version of Oracle but it was a nightmare to install as the hardware and the OS did not like each other and though I think it now has been changing, the drivers were/are still only 32bit and not very compatible. I experienced issues with sound, LAN connections, video displays and even printers. There were no obvious performance improvements over a 32bit DB version, on the same 64bit platform but I was only working with files of 100,000 records and less and not 10 of millions. The latest version of Linux/Vista/Server2003 are supposed have resolved these issues but I will be taking the wait and see approach before I make the next foray in the world of the 64bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jun 30 03:51:26 2007 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:51:26 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Message-ID: Hi John As you are using .Net, en embedded database engine could be an option: http://www.mcobject.com/perst/ /gustav -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 30 07:51:30 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:51:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070630125136.70D83BD15@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Yes, what they don't include is SQL Server in 64 bit. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John The Action Pack will contain Windows Server 2003 R2 and 2008 Beta 3 both in 64-bit: https://partner.microsoft.com/40013779 The /3GB switch allocates more user mode memory but only to certain applications (like Exchange 2003 and SQL Server) prepared for this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx A lot more on this can be read here: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/05/208908.aspx /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 30-06-07 0:26 >>> Yea I hear you. My issue is that in the 32 bit (windows) world, you only get 2gb assigned to the application. When you are trying to join a long (8 byte) from 65 million records with a long on 50 million records... You can use up a fair portion of your memory just on getting the join data into memory, never mind any other data. Not that I have a clue how SQL Server actually implements a join but still, you get my point here. I can afford (and my machines can handle) 8 gbytes but Windows 32 simply doesn't use it unless you step up to the advanced versions of Windows and then you start bleeding through the nose in licensing fees. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John: I have been working with a 64bit version of Oracle but it was a nightmare to install as the hardware and the OS did not like each other and though I think it now has been changing, the drivers were/are still only 32bit and not very compatible. I experienced issues with sound, LAN connections, video displays and even printers. There were no obvious performance improvements over a 32bit DB version, on the same 64bit platform but I was only working with files of 100,000 records and less and not 10 of millions. The latest version of Linux/Vista/Server2003 are supposed have resolved these issues but I will be taking the wait and see approach before I make the next foray in the world of the 64bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 30 08:24:41 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:24:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070630132447.B3C02BDD3@smtp-auth.no-ip.com> Gustav, >As you are using .Net, en embedded database engine could be an option: I have my doubts about the viability of such a system given the size of the databases involved and my current memory constraints. Basically what I am looking for is an out from the 32 bit limitations imposed by Windows and SQL Server (32 bit editions). Modern machines can address huge amounts of memory. Modern motherboards can actually address fairly large amounts of memory. Today I can buy a dual processor Intel motherboard with 12 and even 16 DIMM slots each of which will support 4 GBytes dims. That means I really could have a 48 GBytes or even 64 GByte machine. Given the size of my databases and the kinds of operations I have to perform, a machine of this nature would probably make my work much faster. I can see that I currently peg my virtual memory with every query and query times routinely take 20 to 40 minutes. I am doing queries against tables (currently containing 65 million records) such as find all records where ... And the where clause routinely contains 3 or 4 fields, and in some cases has contained 20 or 30 fields. You just can't do that in 2 GB (or even 3 GB) of ram. I am getting two new tables which will contain 99 million and 90 million records. I NEED MEMORY, and I need CORES and I need wide open fields to play in. Any 32 bit OS / database is now a bottleneck to me. The machines I have now can address up to 8 GB, but I only have 4 installed because more just sits unused. Given the business that is starting to come my way, I could actually AFFORD one of these monster machines IF it solves my business problems. But without an OS AND a database system that is 64 bit, that capability is wasted. If I can get a 64 bit Linux or Windows running, and if such an "in memory" database is 64 bit enabled, then it might in fact be a wonderful thing. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:51 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Hi John As you are using .Net, en embedded database engine could be an option: http://www.mcobject.com/perst/ /gustav -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software? My databases are so large that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here). But once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64 versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket. I will be paying more for the licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware. Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit versions. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com