[dba-Tech] Petulant PC

Jon Tydda jon at tydda.plus.com
Sat Jun 9 09:40:45 CDT 2007


Yeah, that's what I always heard too, although when I did my MS course a
couple of years ago, the trainer was saying that surely a pc with small
amount of RAM would nee a bigger swap file, to make up for it...

Made sense to me. I give all the PCs at work a 2gb swap file and be done
with it.


Jon

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 09 June 2007 14:30
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Isn't this cute:

"Many sources recommend using a swap file several times as large as your
system memory, though a large file takes longer to search through. A good
setting is 2.5 times the amount of system memory. So a PC with 256MB of RAM
should have a 640MB swap file."

PC Magazine 3/11/2003


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:10 AM
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sysinternals has a utility that defrags swap files (and some other
non-defragable files). It runs during boot before windows loads.

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:47 PM
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Jim,

We all know what fragmentation does to file access, and if the swap file is
dynamically created, then it could have dozens or even hundreds of
fragments, just the luck of the draw.

The theory is that with a dedicated partition you can build a fixed size
swap file, which is built all at once, in a partition with no fragmentation
so the swap file is never fragmented.  If you must put your swap file on the
main C: drive, then DEFRAG the disk very well, and then create a fixed size
so that it never changes.  It will likely still be somewhat fragmented but
won't get more fragmented. 

Even if you allow the system to dynamically change the size of the swap
file, theoretically it adds / subtracts from the end of the file so it still
isn't fragmented.  However you will see some speed impact as it stops what
it is doing to "grow" the swap file.

That's the theory.  Does it work that way?  Yes.  Does it have a major
impact?  How do you tell?  Does it "waste space"?  Yea.  But with a 93gb
(real) hard disk, setting aside 4 gig or so for a dedicated swap partition
(for 2 gigs of real RAM) is not going to break the bank.

In fact I have read that you really should have a fixed size swap file on
EACH disk.  Whatever I was reading claimed that XP would use the swap file
on a given disk for swapping the data being used from that disk.  I have no
idea whether that is true or not and seems to be taking it to extremes.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM
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<I like to run a dedicated swap file partition> What advantages have you
seen from this? Doesn't this "waste" space if the partition is too big?
Jim Hale


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