From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Oct  1 01:26:23 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:26:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sounds fro my Laptop
References: <4f4bf9510709291723x189daa68r3f92cd1bb8ebb3b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DB5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

1.
Mute button on your HP computer?
Most HP models have also a led burning when hardware mute is on.

2.
Look in the mixer that you didn'nt set the volume of oner or both master
volume and WAVE volume to 0.
Wave is not directly visible, you need to open the mixer by double
clicking the speaker icon in the system tray.
Also check if the mute for master and wave are off.

3. 
Remove any jacks from the speaker output c onnector (maybe you connected
the mic to the speaker exit)?

4. 
If u are using a bloottooth mic/headset, disconnect. The audio output is
posibly transfered to you bluetooth headset.


Erwin
 

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:24 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sounds fro my Laptop

Hello,
There's just some setting on my laptop that has turned off the sounds HP
want $35 just to talk to me.  Any Ideas?
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 04:29:30 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:29:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net>
	<47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com>
	<032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/30/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Good point.
>
> I was thinking one of "extra" features such as email or archive scanning was
> corrupted. Trying to fix it would take a lot of time and questions.
> Unistalling and reinstalling would be easy :o)

The eicar page I mentioned previously has a zipped version for
download that would check archive scanning and if you e-mail it to
yourself, the zip or plain com then that would check the e-mail
scanning :)

No re&re of AVG, just a few minutes testing :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 05:33:21 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:33:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B99BAFB12774BCE977486EB79B2B43E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Oct  1 05:49:39 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:49:39 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
References: <1B99BAFB12774BCE977486EB79B2B43E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I used this application last week on my laptop and I can tell it does
not work....
At least for Windows Vista.

Driveimage XML, uses the shadow copy function from Windows to make a
filecopy (technicaly it does not image a drive). The restore process ran
without any error, but when investigating the drive not much files where
present.
I ran chkdsk on the restored drive and had 72000 floating (tranlated
from dutch) files, chkdsk corrected some entries, but every time I ran
chkdsk I got several thousends of floating files and next time several
thousends of wrong index entries. The system and software registry files
where corrupt and not usable.


For desktops I uses my old quarterdeck image center/partition magic (now
from symantec), but this does not support servers.

I also have recently bought Vcom partition commander for which I'm
pretty satisfied. Only thing I miss is that I can not create disk images
to a file (like Quarterdesk), it's only disk-to-disk.


Greetings.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an
image restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Oct  1 06:11:07 2007
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:11:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <1B99BAFB12774BCE977486EB79B2B43E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIELPDGAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

How about
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim
Lawrence
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 12:33
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bad drive


I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 06:43:54 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:43:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <75C26E3104914EAA8ED5DAC8BDC3A249@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Erwin:

Thanks for that information. I just ran across this YouTube tutorial set and
you may find this interesting:

How to use DriveImage XML: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEnKA7tOXM
How to add DriveImage Plugins to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vtcdDQF8A&NR=1
How to add Network drivers to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G-svI0xYXg&mode=related&search=

Thanks for your help

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I used this application last week on my laptop and I can tell it does
not work....
At least for Windows Vista.

Driveimage XML, uses the shadow copy function from Windows to make a
filecopy (technicaly it does not image a drive). The restore process ran
without any error, but when investigating the drive not much files where
present.
I ran chkdsk on the restored drive and had 72000 floating (tranlated
from dutch) files, chkdsk corrected some entries, but every time I ran
chkdsk I got several thousends of floating files and next time several
thousends of wrong index entries. The system and software registry files
where corrupt and not usable.


For desktops I uses my old quarterdeck image center/partition magic (now
from symantec), but this does not support servers.

I also have recently bought Vcom partition commander for which I'm
pretty satisfied. Only thing I miss is that I can not create disk images
to a file (like Quarterdesk), it's only disk-to-disk.


Greetings.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an
image restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 07:01:23 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:01:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIELPDGAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <C766E1E5002F4CA6A0243038E3C8485A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Helmut:

This looks like a great program.

Thanks
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

How about
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim
Lawrence
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 12:33
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bad drive


I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Oct  1 07:53:03 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:53:03 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
References: <75C26E3104914EAA8ED5DAC8BDC3A249@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes I know, seen and done all that XML/bartPE...
(the BartPE XP boot is pretty cool however:-).

Tried 2x to restore my Vista image with Driveimage XML with same,
non-working result as I explained earlier.
72000 file errors when running a chkdsk, but is is posible that it works
with an XP OS, don't know that, not gooing to try...


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:44 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

Hi Erwin:

Thanks for that information. I just ran across this YouTube tutorial set
and you may find this interesting:

How to use DriveImage XML: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEnKA7tOXM
How to add DriveImage Plugins to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vtcdDQF8A&NR=1
How to add Network drivers to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G-svI0xYXg&mode=related&search=

Thanks for your help

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I used this application last week on my laptop and I can tell it does
not work....
At least for Windows Vista.

Driveimage XML, uses the shadow copy function from Windows to make a
filecopy (technicaly it does not image a drive). The restore process ran
without any error, but when investigating the drive not much files where
present.
I ran chkdsk on the restored drive and had 72000 floating (tranlated
from dutch) files, chkdsk corrected some entries, but every time I ran
chkdsk I got several thousends of floating files and next time several
thousends of wrong index entries. The system and software registry files
where corrupt and not usable.


For desktops I uses my old quarterdeck image center/partition magic (now
from symantec), but this does not support servers.

I also have recently bought Vcom partition commander for which I'm
pretty satisfied. Only thing I miss is that I can not create disk images
to a file (like Quarterdesk), it's only disk-to-disk.


Greetings.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an
image restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  1 10:40:54 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:40:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIELPDGAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <001201c80441$73ed3550$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I've got Norton Ghost.  But I'm pretty low-tech.  And seems to work well. Is
Norton not politically correct any more?  

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

How about
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 12:33
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bad drive


I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - Release Date: 9/30/2007
9:01 PM
 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 10:50:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:50:18 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
Message-ID: <s701336c.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Ghost is fine. We use that. Nevermind Symantec/Norton.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-10-2007 17:40 >>>
I've got Norton Ghost.  But I'm pretty low-tech.  And seems to work well. Is
Norton not politically correct any more?  

Rocky





From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 11:18:36 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:18:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net><47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com><032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com><037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Duh <blush> - well that's good to know, I just assumed the zipped version
was for dialup accounts to download. I guess the old axion of ASSUME worked
on the me part!

So this would be a good test of whether or not the anti-virus detection was
working correctly.

Now how to figure out why this is occurring and what is wrong with it...
Susan H.:
"I can only hope that some flag is screwed up and that the software is
actually working."

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell

The eicar page I mentioned previously has a zipped version for download that
would check archive scanning and if you e-mail it to yourself, the zip or
plain com then that would check the e-mail scanning :)

No re&re of AVG, just a few minutes testing :)




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 11:28:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:28:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <1B99BAFB12774BCE977486EB79B2B43E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B99BAFB12774BCE977486EB79B2B43E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c80448$2b6d7810$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Jim,
I used to use PowerQuest Drive Image and Partition Magic. Now I use Norton
Ghost and Partition M but have been checking into proactively replacing
these for sometime as Symantec seems intent on ruining everything they touch
these days.

So far I'm leaning towards Acronis True Image. Acronis seems to be as good
or better than the pre-Norton PowerQuest products and it seems to be the one
most techy sites recommend. I'm presently looking for a good open source
disk imager and partitioner...

Good luck,
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 11:34:17 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:34:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <1216760869.1191033020640.JavaMail.app@com03.prod>
References: <1216760869.1191033020640.JavaMail.app@com03.prod>
Message-ID: <00d401c80448$ea6eb760$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

What is this about? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Discussion of
Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

Discussion,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

-Arthur

Learn more: 
https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/145190035/YKI3loGQ/

------------------------------------------
"Increasingly, if you're not LinkedIn, you're left out." --Business 2.0




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 11:54:00 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:54:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <664FC867706C40AF9BD22529D86F89CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Erwin:

I will consider it a word from the wise.

Thank you

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:53 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

Yes I know, seen and done all that XML/bartPE...
(the BartPE XP boot is pretty cool however:-).

Tried 2x to restore my Vista image with Driveimage XML with same,
non-working result as I explained earlier.
72000 file errors when running a chkdsk, but is is posible that it works
with an XP OS, don't know that, not gooing to try...


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:44 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

Hi Erwin:

Thanks for that information. I just ran across this YouTube tutorial set
and you may find this interesting:

How to use DriveImage XML: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEnKA7tOXM
How to add DriveImage Plugins to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vtcdDQF8A&NR=1
How to add Network drivers to BartPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G-svI0xYXg&mode=related&search=

Thanks for your help

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I used this application last week on my laptop and I can tell it does
not work....
At least for Windows Vista.

Driveimage XML, uses the shadow copy function from Windows to make a
filecopy (technicaly it does not image a drive). The restore process ran
without any error, but when investigating the drive not much files where
present.
I ran chkdsk on the restored drive and had 72000 floating (tranlated
from dutch) files, chkdsk corrected some entries, but every time I ran
chkdsk I got several thousends of floating files and next time several
thousends of wrong index entries. The system and software registry files
where corrupt and not usable.


For desktops I uses my old quarterdeck image center/partition magic (now
from symantec), but this does not support servers.

I also have recently bought Vcom partition commander for which I'm
pretty satisfied. Only thing I miss is that I can not create disk images
to a file (like Quarterdesk), it's only disk-to-disk.


Greetings.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an
image restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  1 11:49:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:49:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel X Axis
Message-ID: <002601c8044b$0ebd3b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 

 
Dear List:
 
When I create a simple chart in Excel, the x axis always seems to be labeled
by the row number.  I've got a chart that shows the values in column C as a
line graph.  And the values on the Y axis are correct.  
 
But the x axis shows the row number on the sheet.  I'd like it to use the
values in Column A for the x axis labels.  But I can't figure out how this
is done.
 
Can someone give me a push in the right direction?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 11:55:13 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:55:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <001201c80441$73ed3550$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <ECA417B643B94311972802A4D0486294@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

What ever works is politically correct... I am a pragmatic sort.

Thanks 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I've got Norton Ghost.  But I'm pretty low-tech.  And seems to work well. Is
Norton not politically correct any more?  

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

How about
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 12:33
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bad drive


I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 11:57:02 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:57:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <00d301c80448$2b6d7810$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <E3979096ABC2459BB8A8E7616E0ECEBC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I will look into that John... good tip.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

Hi Jim,
I used to use PowerQuest Drive Image and Partition Magic. Now I use Norton
Ghost and Partition M but have been checking into proactively replacing
these for sometime as Symantec seems intent on ruining everything they touch
these days.

So far I'm leaning towards Acronis True Image. Acronis seems to be as good
or better than the pre-Norton PowerQuest products and it seems to be the one
most techy sites recommend. I'm presently looking for a good open source
disk imager and partitioner...

Good luck,
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

I have a bad drive that is failing slowly. It is one of my servers and
though all the individual files are backed up I would like to do an image
restore as apposed to a re-install. 

What program would you recommend to do a complete image backup so a new
drive can be image resorted?

One program that I have looked at is DriveImage XML
(http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm) but I have heard nothing good or bad
about this app.

MTIA

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 11:57:37 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:57:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bad drive
In-Reply-To: <s701336c.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <C5AD6F7CF1E046FA972BE12CDA11A8BF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Two for Ghost... Thanks Gustav.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:50 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bad drive

Hi Rocky

Ghost is fine. We use that. Nevermind Symantec/Norton.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 01-10-2007 17:40 >>>
I've got Norton Ghost.  But I'm pretty low-tech.  And seems to work well. Is
Norton not politically correct any more?  

Rocky



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:02:49 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:02:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
In-Reply-To: <00d401c80448$ea6eb760$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <1216760869.1191033020640.JavaMail.app@com03.prod>
	<00d401c80448$ea6eb760$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>

It's a sort of social network thing, geared to business professionals. I've
re-encountered a bunch of people that I've lost track of, worked with years
ago, etc. It's probably overkill to send to the list. I intended to send it
directly to you. Sorry about that. But on the other hand, it probably can't
hurt for us all to be linked in. :)

Arthur

On 10/1/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> What is this about?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:30 PM
> To: Discussion of
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
>
> Discussion,
>
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
>
> -Arthur
>
> Learn more:
> https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/145190035/YKI3loGQ/
>
> ------------------------------------------
> "Increasingly, if you're not LinkedIn, you're left out." --Business 2.0
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:09:54 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:09:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net>
	<47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com>
	<032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710011009q1a3389ddnf11006ed66b14796@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/1/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Duh <blush> - well that's good to know, I just assumed the zipped version
> was for dialup accounts to download. I guess the old axion of ASSUME worked
> on the me part!

I don't think a zip of a 68 BYTE file would make that much difference
on dialup :)

If you read the page, it's actually for systems that catch it too
quickly. So they zipped it up. If your AV scanner scans zips, then it
should find eicar in the zip too.


> So this would be a good test of whether or not the anti-virus detection was
> working correctly.

Yep it would be ;)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Oct  1 12:30:39 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:30:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel X Axis
In-Reply-To: <002601c8044b$0ebd3b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002601c8044b$0ebd3b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <47012EBF.4090109@torchlake.com>

Hi Rocky,
In the chart source data dialog box, click the series tab.  Near the 
bottom, it says:  Category (x) axis labels.  Use the text box on the 
right to insert the cell range you want for those labels.
Hope this helps.
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
>
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> When I create a simple chart in Excel, the x axis always seems to be labeled
> by the row number.  I've got a chart that shows the values in column C as a
> line graph.  And the values on the Y axis are correct.  
>  
> But the x axis shows the row number on the sheet.  I'd like it to use the
> values in Column A for the x axis labels.  But I can't figure out how this
> is done.
>  
> Can someone give me a push in the right direction?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
>   


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 12:31:22 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:31:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710011009q1a3389ddnf11006ed66b14796@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net><47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com><032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com><037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com><00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710011009q1a3389ddnf11006ed66b14796@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c80450$eae52640$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

> I don't think a zip of a 68 BYTE file would make that much difference on
dialup :)

Just a courtesy thing people used to do (I suppose it may actually have been
a BBS thing too - am I aging myself here?) It does seem to have fallen out
of favor though. In that vein of thought - its hard to realize how bad flash
sites are until you work on someone's dialup and run into one! But I
digress...

>If you read the page, it's actually for systems that catch it too quickly.
So they zipped it up. If your AV scanner scans zips, then it should find
eicar in the zip too.

That page is a lot of reading for me ;o)

After you mentioned it I tried to download the .zip file and of course
couldn't. They have the eicarcom2.zip so you can download it. That is,
unless you have your AV scanning archives more than one level deep. IIRC
NAV-Corp. Ed. allows for scanning archive files 3 levels deep. My CA-AV
actually doesn't do this and I investigated why. They're help file on the
issue: They cannot infect your computer unless they are opened - which be
prevented by the real time scanner. Different takes on the issue I guess.
More overhead in one (which IIRC by default isn't turned on anyway) and the
assumption by the other that their real time AV scanner will always be
running (which of course it should - except some install packages actually
tell people to temporarily turn it off! And BTW CA-AV does have a snooze
feature built right into the task tray icon.

Thoughts?




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 13:00:49 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:00:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a process when a
Windows computer reboots? 

In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file, the OS asks
you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the system boots, it
looks at some file/location and uses the information there make the chances.

What and where is this file or location?

TIA
Jim   



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  1 13:00:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:00:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel X Axis
In-Reply-To: <47012EBF.4090109@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003001c80454$e87b2e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

More than helped.  Solved it!  Thank you.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel X Axis

Hi Rocky,
In the chart source data dialog box, click the series tab.  Near the bottom,
it says:  Category (x) axis labels.  Use the text box on the right to insert
the cell range you want for those labels.
Hope this helps.
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
>
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> When I create a simple chart in Excel, the x axis always seems to be 
> labeled by the row number.  I've got a chart that shows the values in 
> column C as a line graph.  And the values on the Y axis are correct.
>  
> But the x axis shows the row number on the sheet.  I'd like it to use 
> the values in Column A for the x axis labels.  But I can't figure out 
> how this is done.
>  
> Can someone give me a push in the right direction?
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 13:11:20 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:11:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <00f701c80450$eae52640$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net>
	<47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com>
	<032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710011009q1a3389ddnf11006ed66b14796@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f701c80450$eae52640$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710011111q1db8dac1k7027d860da777caa@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/1/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > I don't think a zip of a 68 BYTE file would make that much difference on
> dialup :)
>
> Just a courtesy thing people used to do (I suppose it may actually have been

I know. I'd prefer if things were zipped more than they are. Well at
least on the Windows side. Anything I do with Linux is all gzipped,
which is wonderful.

> a BBS thing too - am I aging myself here?) It does seem to have fallen out

No, you're not. I actually ran a BBS when I was in High School. WAY
WAY WAY TOO many years ago :) So I guess I'm aging myself as well.

> of favor though. In that vein of thought - its hard to realize how bad flash
> sites are until you work on someone's dialup and run into one! But I
> digress...

Hell, you don't even need to be on dial up to see how painful they
are. Try it with a wireless connection that drops when the main chip
gets too hot and you're in the middle of a flash site. A few (dozen)
expletives escape :)

> That page is a lot of reading for me ;o)

I know, not enough pictures, eh? :)

> After you mentioned it I tried to download the .zip file and of course
> couldn't. They have the eicarcom2.zip so you can download it. That is,

You shouldn't have to download it, unless you want to check the
functioning of your realtime scanner. Just copy and paste the 68
charaters into a text file.

> unless you have your AV scanning archives more than one level deep. IIRC
> NAV-Corp. Ed. allows for scanning archive files 3 levels deep. My CA-AV
> actually doesn't do this and I investigated why. They're help file on the
> issue: They cannot infect your computer unless they are opened - which be
> prevented by the real time scanner. Different takes on the issue I guess.
> More overhead in one (which IIRC by default isn't turned on anyway) and the
> assumption by the other that their real time AV scanner will always be
> running (which of course it should - except some install packages actually
> tell people to temporarily turn it off! And BTW CA-AV does have a snooze
> feature built right into the task tray icon.

But, unfortunately, it can be locked so that you can't disable it,
even temporarily. At least with V8. That's what they've done here and
it can be a real PITA sometimes. Especially with Pest Patrol running.
it considers VNC spyware and won't let it run unless I kill the
service manually and then I have to restart it once I'm done with VNC.
Royal PITA.

> Thoughts?

I'm trying not to think these days. It hurts too much :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 14:09:39 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:09:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710011111q1db8dac1k7027d860da777caa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net><47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com><032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920709301713j534883ddy40ac6f6eda294bf3@mail.gmail.com><037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920710010229w3bb005f0we0f79461d90c3086@mail.gmail.com><00bb01c80446$bbeb21f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920710011009q1a3389ddnf11006ed66b14796@mail.gmail.com><00f701c80450$eae52640$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710011111q1db8dac1k7027d860da777caa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013e01c8045e$9f34be50$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

>> That page is a lot of reading for me ;o)

>I know, not enough pictures, eh? :)

LOL! 

No, just a bit wordy. You might think some computer security geek wrote it
;o) One thing I've noticed in security experts, they never just get to the
point. Very talky-talky, wordy-wordy type people.

>> CA-AV does have a snooze feature built right into the task tray icon.

>>But, unfortunately, it can be locked so that you can't disable it, even
temporarily. At least with V8. That's what they've done here and it can be a
real PITA sometimes. Especially with Pest Patrol running.
>>it considers VNC spyware and won't let it run unless I kill the service
manually and then I have to restart it once I'm done with VNC.
>>Royal PITA.

Yes in the SMB/Corp cersions it can. In the consumer products (which smaller
businesses will use because of the cost savings and/or lack of the proper
infrastrcucture to require or use the SMB line) it can be disabled with no
effort and no knowledge - typically a bad combination ;o)




From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Oct  1 18:07:56 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:07:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>

Hi Jim,

At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  I think it is in
something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this can go under.

See here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix

Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a process when a
Windows computer reboots? 

In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file, the OS asks
you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the system boots, it
looks at some file/location and uses the information there make the chances.

What and where is this file or location?

TIA
Jim   




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  1 23:18:15 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:18:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>

Hi Bobby:

I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part of the story. When system changes are made they must be made before the system boots...

That information must be stored somewhere in the system, retrieved, a specific operation is then performed and then the system continues the reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all the time you would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I have not been able to find it.

Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> Hi Jim,
> 
> At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  I 
> think it is in
> something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this 
> can go under.
> 
> See here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a 
> process when a
> Windows computer reboots? 
> 
> In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file, 
> the OS asks
> you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the system 
> boots, it
> looks at some file/location and uses the information there make 
> the chances.
> 
> What and where is this file or location?
> 
> TIA
> Jim   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Tue Oct  2 04:37:44 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:37:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com><BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com><009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
	<ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DC6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

In the old days it was a .bat or .cmd (batch) file with a specific name
placed in the system folder.
like winstart or even the load in win.ini still works.

I googled this link with a lot of posibilities.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:N-GMbxaIMA8J:www.aumha.org/a/loads.
php+winstart.bat+windows+xp&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=be

hope this helps
Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix

Hi Bobby:

I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part of the
story. When system changes are made they must be made before the system
boots...

That information must be stored somewhere in the system, retrieved, a
specific operation is then performed and then the system continues the
reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all the time
you would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I have not
been able to find it.

Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> Hi Jim,
> 
> At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  I think it is

> in something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this can go 
> under.
> 
> See here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a process when

> a Windows computer reboots?
> 
> In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file, the 
> OS asks you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the 
> system boots, it looks at some file/location and uses the information 
> there make the chances.
> 
> What and where is this file or location?
> 
> TIA
> Jim   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From djkr at msn.com  Tue Oct  2 04:40:38 2007
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:40:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV7A59CEA3980555A347B96D2AE0@phx.gbl>

Also, of course, if the PC has been hibernated, that must be detected quite
early in the boot sequence - but where, I have no clue.  But clearly there
are several stages during booting when something different can be done... 

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 October 2007 05:18
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix


Hi Bobby:

I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part of the
story. When system changes are made they must be made before the system
boots...

That information must be stored somewhere in the system, retrieved, a
specific operation is then performed and then the system continues the
reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all the time you
would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I have not been able
to find it.

Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> Hi Jim,
> 
> At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  I
> think it is in
> something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this 
> can go under.
> 
> See here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a
> process when a
> Windows computer reboots? 
> 
> In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file,
> the OS asks
> you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the system 
> boots, it
> looks at some file/location and uses the information there make 
> the chances.
> 
> What and where is this file or location?
> 
> TIA
> Jim   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
_______________________________________________
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Oct  2 06:26:56 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:26:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>	<BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
	<ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002801c804e7$245b5160$6d11f420$@rr.com>

Right.  I think that when a file is in use, it copies the new file somewhere
else.  Then when it is booting up, the system uses the registry entries to
find what to copy from where to where or to delete from where.  

Next time this happens, look at those registry entries and I believe you'll
see the files that could not be overwritten.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix

Hi Bobby:

I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part of the
story. When system changes are made they must be made before the system
boots...

That information must be stored somewhere in the system, retrieved, a
specific operation is then performed and then the system continues the
reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all the time you
would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I have not been able
to find it.

Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> Hi Jim,
> 
> At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  I 
> think it is in
> something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this 
> can go under.
> 
> See here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a 
> process when a
> Windows computer reboots? 
> 
> In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system file, 
> the OS asks
> you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the system 
> boots, it
> looks at some file/location and uses the information there make 
> the chances.
> 
> What and where is this file or location?
> 
> TIA
> Jim   




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  2 11:51:35 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:51:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DC6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
	<ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DC6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <d12ae0e95d0c5.470214a7@shaw.ca>

Thanks Erwin... that site has some excellent information.  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu>
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 2:39 am
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> In the old days it was a .bat or .cmd (batch) file with a 
> specific name
> placed in the system folder.
> like winstart or even the load in win.ini still works.
> 
> I googled this link with a lot of posibilities.
> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:N-
> GMbxaIMA8J:www.aumha.org/a/loads.php+winstart.bat+windows+xp&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=be
> 
> hope this helps
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> LawrenceSent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Hi Bobby:
> 
> I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part 
> of the
> story. When system changes are made they must be made before the 
> systemboots...
> 
> That information must be stored somewhere in the system, 
> retrieved, a
> specific operation is then performed and then the system 
> continues the
> reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all 
> the time
> you would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I 
> have not
> been able to find it.
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  
> I think it is
> 
> > in something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that 
> this can go 
> > under.
> > 
> > See here:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> > 
> > Bobby
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> > 
> > Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a 
> process when
> 
> > a Windows computer reboots?
> > 
> > In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system 
> file, the 
> > OS asks you to reboot before the chances can take place. When 
> the 
> > system boots, it looks at some file/location and uses the 
> information 
> > there make the chances.
> > 
> > What and where is this file or location?
> > 
> > TIA
> > Jim   
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  2 11:57:58 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:57:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
In-Reply-To: <002801c804e7$245b5160$6d11f420$@rr.com>
References: <29f585dd0710011002m25d56f94jece768dfbb9ed77d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BE05CB1031B44F13B831F889A7458B81@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c8047f$e7381870$b5a84950$@rr.com>
	<ce979f865c430.47016417@shaw.ca>
	<002801c804e7$245b5160$6d11f420$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <cf16e3e15dc9e.47021626@shaw.ca>

Thanks Bobby... I will continue to research this and the next time a program states something like "Please reboot for the changes to take effect..." then I can see what the file that will be ran actually looks like like... It could be an interesting script, batch, Linq or executable file.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 4:27 am
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

> Right.  I think that when a file is in use, it copies the 
> new file somewhere
> else.  Then when it is booting up, the system uses the 
> registry entries to
> find what to copy from where to where or to delete from 
> where.  
> 
> Next time this happens, look at those registry entries and I 
> believe you'll
> see the files that could not be overwritten.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> LawrenceSent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> 
> Hi Bobby:
> 
> I think you are right but as you have noticed this is only part 
> of the
> story. When system changes are made they must be made before the 
> systemboots...
> 
> That information must be stored somewhere in the system, 
> retrieved, a
> specific operation is then performed and then the system 
> continues the
> reboot.... Now what and where would that be? As it is done all 
> the time you
> would think the knowlege would be fairly common.... but I have 
> not been able
> to find it.
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bobby Heid <bheid at sc.rr.com>
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 4:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > At least some times the data is stored in the registry.  
> I 
> > think it is in
> > something like RunOnce.  There are several keys that this 
> > can go under.
> > 
> > See here:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367
> > 
> > Bobby
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim 
> > LawrenceSent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reboot to fix
> > 
> > Does anyone know where the sequence is stored that runs a 
> > process when a
> > Windows computer reboots? 
> > 
> > In a number of situations; for example; replacing a system 
> file, 
> > the OS asks
> > you to reboot before the chances can take place. When the 
> system 
> > boots, it
> > looks at some file/location and uses the information there 
> make 
> > the chances.
> > 
> > What and where is this file or location?
> > 
> > TIA
> > Jim   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  2 21:29:51 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:29:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
Message-ID: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Does anyone know how to turn the icon off that appears in the system tray
when the "Notify me when this connection has limited or no connectivity" has
been turned on? (WXP) Reg hacks are acceptable.
 
Seems once its turned on it won't turn off. One can off course choose to
always hide it but that's not really solution as when the system tray open
arrow is clicked t is once again revealed!
 
It would seem that a check box should indicate that once its checked its
always checked - OK getting a bit facetious now...




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Oct  3 02:58:37 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:58:37 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
References: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I'm not really sure if I understand you well.
But there is a checkbox you can turn off in the properties for each
network adapter seperatly.

Go into network connections and disable the "Notify me when this
connection has limited or no connectivity" box for EACH interface.

At my knowledge you should not get this message again, unless for new
network interfaces like Bluetooth or Mobile devices using a LAN
interface.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:30 AM
To: _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray

Does anyone know how to turn the icon off that appears in the system
tray when the "Notify me when this connection has limited or no
connectivity" has been turned on? (WXP) Reg hacks are acceptable.
 
Seems once its turned on it won't turn off. One can off course choose to
always hide it but that's not really solution as when the system tray
open arrow is clicked t is once again revealed!
 
It would seem that a check box should indicate that once its checked its
always checked - OK getting a bit facetious now...


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Oct  3 03:07:31 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:07:31 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
References: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276DD8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

ha, I see what you mean now.

The "Notify" is to disable the message, not the icon...
and indeed the always hide icond neither works, it still displays when
clicking the arrow.

Sorry, I'm not of much help to you...

Erwin

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:59 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray

I'm not really sure if I understand you well.
But there is a checkbox you can turn off in the properties for each
network adapter seperatly.

Go into network connections and disable the "Notify me when this
connection has limited or no connectivity" box for EACH interface.

At my knowledge you should not get this message again, unless for new
network interfaces like Bluetooth or Mobile devices using a LAN
interface.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:30 AM
To: _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray

Does anyone know how to turn the icon off that appears in the system
tray when the "Notify me when this connection has limited or no
connectivity" has been turned on? (WXP) Reg hacks are acceptable.
 
Seems once its turned on it won't turn off. One can off course choose to
always hide it but that's not really solution as when the system tray
open arrow is clicked t is once again revealed!
 
It would seem that a check box should indicate that once its checked its
always checked - OK getting a bit facetious now...


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  3 06:47:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:47:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <018e01c805b3$24ee21d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Double click the icon.  A properties dialog should open.  
Click the General tab.  
Click Properties.  A DIFFERENT dialog should appear.  
Click the General Tab.  
There is a check box at the bottom of this dialog called "show icon in
notification area when connected."  Uncheck that. 

This will prevent the icon from being normally displayed in the tool tray.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:30 PM
To: _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray

Does anyone know how to turn the icon off that appears in the system tray
when the "Notify me when this connection has limited or no connectivity" has
been turned on? (WXP) Reg hacks are acceptable.
 
Seems once its turned on it won't turn off. One can off course choose to
always hide it but that's not really solution as when the system tray open
arrow is clicked t is once again revealed!
 
It would seem that a check box should indicate that once its checked its
always checked - OK getting a bit facetious now...


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 08:59:49 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:59:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <018e01c805b3$24ee21d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<018e01c805b3$24ee21d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710030659y2f09e26eqa0819f2e38ee2fa0@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Double click the icon.  A properties dialog should open.
> Click the General tab.
> Click Properties.  A DIFFERENT dialog should appear.
> Click the General Tab.
> There is a check box at the bottom of this dialog called "show icon in
> notification area when connected."  Uncheck that.
>
> This will prevent the icon from being normally displayed in the tool tray.

Until the wireless connection is lost. Then it shows back up.

I confirmed this last night, 'cause it was my first thought as well. :(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Wed Oct  3 09:02:14 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:02:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

Isn't there also a "notify me when this connection has limited availability" thing to uncheck as well?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray


On 10/3/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Double click the icon.  A properties dialog should open.
> Click the General tab.
> Click Properties.  A DIFFERENT dialog should appear.
> Click the General Tab.
> There is a check box at the bottom of this dialog called "show icon in
> notification area when connected."  Uncheck that.
>
> This will prevent the icon from being normally displayed in the tool tray.

Until the wireless connection is lost. Then it shows back up.

I confirmed this last night, 'cause it was my first thought as well. :(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 09:27:58 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:27:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710030727w63529817t798ef79ee0827e62@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at alcontrol.com> wrote:
> Isn't there also a "notify me when this connection has limited availability" thing to uncheck as well?

Yep, but I've found it comes back even then. A nasty little  icon that
you just can't kill. Kinda like Clippy :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Wed Oct  3 09:27:29 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:27:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F394@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

You can kill Clippy... the secret is to not install him in the first place :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:28 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray


On 10/3/07, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at alcontrol.com> wrote:
> Isn't there also a "notify me when this connection has limited availability" thing to uncheck as well?

Yep, but I've found it comes back even then. A nasty little  icon that
you just can't kill. Kinda like Clippy :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  3 09:31:15 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:31:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <010401c80565$480ff420$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00a601c805ca$1b3d3d30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi all, thanks for the suggestions. To be more specific, after having spent
some time searching for an answer to this problem, let me describe it more
thoroughly:

I install/support/maintain  a lot of PCs. If they get them balled up enough
I bring them back to my office for a slumber party. I have to deal with PCs
that have dial-up connections as the "boondocks" is about 3 miles west of
here :o) When I'm working on dial-up PCs in my office they get stuff it a
LAN that utilizes a high speed internet connection. I turn on the "show icon
in notification area when connected" switch so that I know immediately if
the PC has lost gained connection at any point throughout our little party.
This is kind of handy since there may be quite a few of them at any one
party - woo-who!

Before I return the dial-up PCs I disconnect the LAN and re-establish
dial-up networking - just to be sure - not many worse, well slow and boring,
things to do than troubleshooting a dial-up connection on site. So I uncheck
the "show icon in notification area when connected" and the "Notify me when
this connection has limited or no connectivity" checkboxes under the LAN
connection but it has no effect.

The reason I would like to not have the icon there is because people get
freaked out by the little icon with the red X through it. Hiding it is not
good enough.

So:
this question is simply about removing the icon in the sys tray for wired
connections 
it has nothing to do with the wireless networking - that's a whole mess on
its own depending on service pack, phase of the moon, etc ;o)

Right now my only solution, short of removing the NIC is to disable the LAN
connection in network connections. That seems a bit excessive to me.

My web searching skills have let me down on this issue. There just has to be
a hack to make that little bugger go away!

TIA
John B.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  3 09:51:59 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:51:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710030727w63529817t798ef79ee0827e62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<e04a6c920710030727w63529817t798ef79ee0827e62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c805cc$f4a1f0a0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yep, but I've found it comes back even then. A nasty little  icon that you
just can't kill. Kinda like Clippy :)

No, this little dude beats the crap out of clippy }:?|




From drboz at pacbell.net  Wed Oct  3 11:44:01 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:44:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><e04a6c920710030727w63529817t798ef79ee0827e62@mail.gmail.com>
	<00af01c805cc$f4a1f0a0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <012b01c805dc$9a830180$6601a8c0@Donnew>

Try  control panel > network connections > Local Area Connection > 
properties.  There are two checkboxes there that you can select/deselect 
whether or not you want the icon or notification when the link is down. 
Same thing for the Internet Connection... you can actually end up with two 
of the little buggers in the system tray....

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray


> Yep, but I've found it comes back even then. A nasty little  icon that you
> just can't kill. Kinda like Clippy :)
>
> No, this little dude beats the crap out of clippy }:?|
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  3 13:02:19 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:02:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network connection icon in system tray
In-Reply-To: <012b01c805dc$9a830180$6601a8c0@Donnew>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F391@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><e04a6c920710030727w63529817t798ef79ee0827e62@mail.gmail.com><00af01c805cc$f4a1f0a0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<012b01c805dc$9a830180$6601a8c0@Donnew>
Message-ID: <011901c805e7$92670b30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks, but that doesn't turn it off.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth

Try  control panel > network connections > Local Area Connection >
properties.  There are two checkboxes there that you can select/deselect
whether or not you want the icon or notification when the link is down. 
Same thing for the Internet Connection... you can actually end up with two
of the little buggers in the system tray....




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 11:09:01 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:09:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel and XML Exports
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710050909j167c92a7la0648a1d77504936@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've downloaded an Excel Add-in called XML Tools and I'm trying to figure
out how to use it. I wanted to convert XL named ranges to XML Lists and then
have the toolkit generate the XSD files for them. The tool claims to be able
to do this, but I can't even get past an error right away that complains
about the range I selected having incompatible formatting and/or data types.
There's a button that says Convert but it doesn't seem to do anything. Then
suddenly there's a drop-down above each column in the range.

Anyone familiar with this stuff? Basically, I have several ranges in the XLS
file and I wanted to generate the XSD file for them, so I can export them as
XML files.

TIA,
Arthur

P.S.
Since it's Friday, why are rocks smarter than cats? Because when you kick
them, they don't come back.


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Oct  6 09:51:19 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:51:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel and XML Exports
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710050909j167c92a7la0648a1d77504936@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710050909j167c92a7la0648a1d77504936@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4707A0E7.2000901@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,
In Excel, if you have a "list" - which is any table of stuff with the 
header row formatted differently from the other rows so that Excel can 
figure out it is a header row, no blank rows, and no blank columns 
(doesn't mean there has to be data in each column, just that there isn't 
a completely blank column, as in no column name or anything) - Selecting 
Data > Filter > Autofilter will put those drop-downs at the top of each 
column.
Hope this helps,
Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've downloaded an Excel Add-in called XML Tools and I'm trying to figure
> out how to use it. I wanted to convert XL named ranges to XML Lists and then
> have the toolkit generate the XSD files for them. The tool claims to be able
> to do this, but I can't even get past an error right away that complains
> about the range I selected having incompatible formatting and/or data types.
> There's a button that says Convert but it doesn't seem to do anything. Then
> suddenly there's a drop-down above each column in the range.
>
> Anyone familiar with this stuff? Basically, I have several ranges in the XLS
> file and I wanted to generate the XSD file for them, so I can export them as
> XML files.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
> P.S.
> Since it's Friday, why are rocks smarter than cats? Because when you kick
> them, they don't come back.
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>
>   


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 08:37:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:37:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Canadian Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 08:46:26 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:46:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c809b1$9fe36380$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Amen.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Canadian Thanksgiving

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:10:24 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Canadian Thanksgiving
References: <001301c809b1$9fe36380$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002701c809d6$95047dd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
> than I was.

=====Ditto! ;) 

Susan H. 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Oct  8 13:29:58 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:29:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470A7726.7060904@torchlake.com>

At the risk of starting a "me too" thread, I really do echo Arthur's 
statement about becoming a better programmer thanks to this group.  
Arthur, thanks for saying it first - the same goes for me.

Have a beautiful Thanksgiving Day - and next month you can celebrate all 
over again with us.

Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
> here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
> which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!
>
> Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
> do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
> of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
> share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
> murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
> get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
> to be thankful.
>
> I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
> and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
> parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
> than I was.
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
>   


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Wed Oct 10 07:36:49 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:36:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
References: <C766E1E5002F4CA6A0243038E3C8485A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>

Hi, good morning 
I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
to C:\...
is there a good reliable utility to do that?

thanks 
Lembit


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:47:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:47:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
In-Reply-To: <001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <C766E1E5002F4CA6A0243038E3C8485A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <008e01c80b3b$b599ca30$657aa8c0@M90>

Yes.  Format and break out the disks.  ;-)

The short answer is that there are programs to do this and they all
(according to reviews) pretty much suck.  I haven't tried it myself.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:

Hi, good morning
I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
to C:\...
is there a good reliable utility to do that?

thanks
Lembit
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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Wed Oct 10 08:00:57 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:00:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F3DD@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

Partition Magic used to include a thing that did that for you, was definitely in PM7, but I don't know if it's in the later versions. Worked pretty well too iirc. Drive Mapper, I think it was called.


Jon

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:


Yes.  Format and break out the disks.  ;-)

The short answer is that there are programs to do this and they all
(according to reviews) pretty much suck.  I haven't tried it myself.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:

Hi, good morning
I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
to C:\...
is there a good reliable utility to do that?

thanks
Lembit
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 08:27:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:27:30 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
Message-ID: <s70cef8c.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Lembit

This tool, which I only know by name, may help you (at a cost):

http://www.laplink.com/pcmover/

/gustav

>>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 10-10-2007 15:00 >>>
Partition Magic used to include a thing that did that for you, was definitely in PM7, but I don't know if it's in the later versions. Worked pretty well too iirc. Drive Mapper, I think it was called.


Jon

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:


Yes.  Format and break out the disks.  ;-)

The short answer is that there are programs to do this and they all
(according to reviews) pretty much suck.  I haven't tried it myself.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:

Hi, good morning
I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
to C:\...
is there a good reliable utility to do that?

thanks
Lembit




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 10 10:06:36 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:06:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
In-Reply-To: <001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <C766E1E5002F4CA6A0243038E3C8485A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <00c301c80b4f$276ff630$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have used Partition Magic to do this in the past with fairly good success.
However, I haven't tried it since Symantec acquired it.

I do use CA's DNA Migrator (which I believe they are renaming to something
more generic) for cross OS migrations and it has worked remarkably well. I
have not used it for your intended purpose.

I have not had time to test this application but it appears to be solid and
they offer solid advice on the web site: http://www.funduc.com/app_mover.htm

Good luck!
John B.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:

Hi, good morning
I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
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is there a good reliable utility to do that?

thanks
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Thu Oct 11 05:27:35 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:27:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C: -solved
References: <C766E1E5002F4CA6A0243038E3C8485A@creativesystemdesigns.com><001701c80b3a$3a901930$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<00c301c80b4f$276ff630$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <003a01c80bf1$5750dc00$1800a8c0@s1800>

Thanks everybody,
I ended up using Jon's proposal, the DriveMapper (pre Symantec version).
- made Acronis imabe grom both drives
- copied everything from F: to C:
- ran DriveMapper
Result: programs work on C:, however some programs like Photoshop still have 
some internal referenced to the old location for key mapping and other 
tables. have to find out how to move that.

Lembit

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To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:


>I have used Partition Magic to do this in the past with fairly good 
>success.
> However, I haven't tried it since Symantec acquired it.
>
> I do use CA's DNA Migrator (which I believe they are renaming to something
> more generic) for cross OS migrations and it has worked remarkably well. I
> have not used it for your intended purpose.
>
> I have not had time to test this application but it appears to be solid 
> and
> they offer solid advice on the web site: 
> http://www.funduc.com/app_mover.htm
>
> Good luck!
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:37 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Move programs from F: to C:
>
> Hi, good morning
> I need to move programs which I have installed on F:\...
> to C:\...
> is there a good reliable utility to do that?
>
> thanks
> Lembit
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 08:39:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:39:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
Message-ID: <000b01c80c0c$363e69e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Supposedly, Word automatically selects an entire word when you try to select text. I know where the option is-- When Selecting, Automatically  Select Entire Word -- I know how to enable/disable it. What I can't do is get it to actually work. The option is selected, but when I drag to select, I only select what I actually highlight. Isn't Word supposed to automatically select the entire word when that option is selected? Maybe I'm doing it wrong? 

Susan H. 

From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Thu Oct 11 08:38:52 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:38:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F3F4@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

That's weird, I've always had the opposite problem... for me, it never turns off! If you double click on the word, it'll select the whole thing, if you click again quickly, it'll select the whole sentence. That's quite useful sometimes...


Jon

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Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue


Supposedly, Word automatically selects an entire word when you try to select text. I know where the option is-- When Selecting, Automatically  Select Entire Word -- I know how to enable/disable it. What I can't do is get it to actually work. The option is selected, but when I drag to select, I only select what I actually highlight. Isn't Word supposed to automatically select the entire word when that option is selected? Maybe I'm doing it wrong? 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 09:01:07 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:01:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F3F4@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <001001c80c0f$2d3993d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

So, the double-click engages it? I use that a lot and wouldn't want to turn 
it off. You're right -- I can't turn it off either. We either don't 
understand the feature or it doesn't work (surprise!!!)

Susan H.


> That's weird, I've always had the opposite problem... for me, it never 
> turns off! If you double click on the word, it'll select the whole thing, 
> if you click again quickly, it'll select the whole sentence. That's quite 
> useful sometimes...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
>
>
> Supposedly, Word automatically selects an entire word when you try to 
> select text. I know where the option is-- When Selecting, Automatically 
> Select Entire Word -- I know how to enable/disable it. What I can't do is 
> get it to actually work. The option is selected, but when I drag to 
> select, I only select what I actually highlight. Isn't Word supposed to 
> automatically select the entire word when that option is selected? Maybe 
> I'm doing it wrong?
>
> Susan H.
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 09:18:14 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:18:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
In-Reply-To: <001001c80c0f$2d3993d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F3F4@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<001001c80c0f$2d3993d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710110718u734f7328n789b8bd2e76ceec8@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, the double-click engages it? I use that a lot and wouldn't want to turn
> it off. You're right -- I can't turn it off either. We either don't
> understand the feature or it doesn't work (surprise!!!)

I did a REALLY quick test. Click in the middle of a word and then drag
to highlight it, and the next word. The first word I clicked in didn't
highlight the whole thing until I selected the first letter of the
next word.

When I had the option unchecked, it only selected from where I started
my click-and-drag.

A double click will always select the entire word, no matter if the
option is checked or not. A triple click will always select the entire
paragraph, including lines separated by line breaks (shift-enter).

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 09:23:05 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F3F4@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><001001c80c0f$2d3993d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<e04a6c920710110718u734f7328n789b8bd2e76ceec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c80c12$3f0e5e30$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Oh! Thank you Bryan -- that explains it perfectly.

Susan H.


> On 10/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, the double-click engages it? I use that a lot and wouldn't want to 
>> turn
>> it off. You're right -- I can't turn it off either. We either don't
>> understand the feature or it doesn't work (surprise!!!)
>
> I did a REALLY quick test. Click in the middle of a word and then drag
> to highlight it, and the next word. The first word I clicked in didn't
> highlight the whole thing until I selected the first letter of the
> next word.
>
> When I had the option unchecked, it only selected from where I started
> my click-and-drag.
>
> A double click will always select the entire word, no matter if the
> option is checked or not. A triple click will always select the entire
> paragraph, including lines separated by line breaks (shift-enter).
>
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 11 09:24:25 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:24:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
Message-ID: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan and Bryan

If you drag the mouse backwards a little, the highlighting of the full word is cancelled. This counts both for a word you are leaving and a word you are entering.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 11-10-2007 16:18 >>>

I did a REALLY quick test. Click in the middle of a word and then drag
to highlight it, and the next word. The first word I clicked in didn't
highlight the whole thing until I selected the first letter of the
next word.





From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 09:34:48 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:34:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
In-Reply-To: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk>
References: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710110734k1911e5abh239b609a403648f8@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Susan and Bryan
>
> If you drag the mouse backwards a little, the highlighting of the full word is cancelled. This counts both for a word you are leaving and a word you are entering.

I did notice that, but didn't want to comment because I didn't
actually test it to make sure I was seeing the intended effect.

Thanks for confirming it though.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 10:05:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:05:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
References: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710110734k1911e5abh239b609a403648f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c80c18$40b9dc90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>
> I did notice that, but didn't want to comment because I didn't
> actually test it to make sure I was seeing the intended effect.
>
> Thanks for confirming it though.

========It does work, but there's got to some kind of standard for how many 
letters you must go back, or something -- haven't figured it out yet, but I 
haven't had much time to spend on it yet -- Lilly is a hurricane today.

Susan H. 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 10:08:37 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:08:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
In-Reply-To: <002c01c80c18$40b9dc90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710110734k1911e5abh239b609a403648f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c80c18$40b9dc90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710110808v21c07f24u5305e198fae396dc@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> ========It does work, but there's got to some kind of standard for how many
> letters you must go back, or something -- haven't figured it out yet, but I
> haven't had much time to spend on it yet -- Lilly is a hurricane today.

I'd check but I'm still waiting for a 270 MB Word doc to open. <sigh>

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 10:10:45 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:10:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word select text issue
References: <s70e4e50.090@cactus.dk><e04a6c920710110734k1911e5abh239b609a403648f8@mail.gmail.com><002c01c80c18$40b9dc90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<e04a6c920710110808v21c07f24u5305e198fae396dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c80c18$f53e7a40$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

It seems to unselect the entire word when you unhighlight the next word.

Susan H.


> On 10/11/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ========It does work, but there's got to some kind of standard for how 
>> many
>> letters you must go back, or something -- haven't figured it out yet, but 
>> I
>> haven't had much time to spend on it yet -- Lilly is a hurricane today.
>
> I'd check but I'm still waiting for a 270 MB Word doc to open. <sigh>
>
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 11 11:33:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:33:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor
Message-ID: <006401c80c24$872c6a10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 
Dear List:
 
A client received a pdf that looks like it came from an Access report.  He
needs to extract the data.  He's evaluating a program called Able2Extract
PDF Converter which seems to be working.  The data in the PDF shows up in an
Excel spreadsheet.  It's $100.
 
Does anyone know any better ways to do this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 11 11:51:45 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:51:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor
In-Reply-To: <006401c80c24$872c6a10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <006401c80c24$872c6a10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF2A@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Monarch Pro is good for heavy lifting (ie large PDFs) and has a VBA
class so it can be run from inside Access.
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:34 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor

 
Dear List:
 
A client received a pdf that looks like it came from an Access report.
He
needs to extract the data.  He's evaluating a program called
Able2Extract
PDF Converter which seems to be working.  The data in the PDF shows up
in an
Excel spreadsheet.  It's $100.
 
Does anyone know any better ways to do this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 11 12:03:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:03:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF2A@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <006401c80c24$872c6a10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF2A@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <006f01c80c28$b1c78fd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks - will forward.
Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor


Monarch Pro is good for heavy lifting (ie large PDFs) and has a VBA class so
it can be run from inside Access.
Jim Hale 

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Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:34 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor

 
Dear List:
 
A client received a pdf that looks like it came from an Access report.
He
needs to extract the data.  He's evaluating a program called Able2Extract
PDF Converter which seems to be working.  The data in the PDF shows up in an
Excel spreadsheet.  It's $100.
 
Does anyone know any better ways to do this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 11 12:08:12 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:08:12 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor
Message-ID: <s70e74ad.095@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

If you google on:
  pdf to txt
you'll get a bunch of alternatives. Also this code for .Net:

http://www.codeproject.com/cs/samples/pdf2text.asp 

Using the PDFBox to parse PDFs is fairly easy:

private static string parseUsingPDFBox(string filename)
{
    PDDocument doc = PDDocument.load(filename);
    PDFTextStripper stripper = new PDFTextStripper();
    return stripper.getText(doc);
}

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 11-10-2007 18:51 >>>

Monarch Pro is good for heavy lifting (ie large PDFs) and has a VBA
class so it can be run from inside Access.
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:34 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: PDF Extractor

 
Dear List:
 
A client received a pdf that looks like it came from an Access report.
He
needs to extract the data.  He's evaluating a program called
Able2Extract
PDF Converter which seems to be working.  The data in the PDF shows up
in an
Excel spreadsheet.  It's $100.
 
Does anyone know any better ways to do this?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky




From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Sat Oct 13 07:29:40 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:29:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
References: <s70e74ad.095@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000801c80d94$ba4082d0$1800a8c0@s1800>

Does anyone know of a good HD check/repair utility?
I have a HD which has according to chkdsk 4 k in bad sectors.
have tried to run CHKDSK C: /F but this is directly not possible.
It wants to run it during next start, but there I have no control whether it 
uses /F or not.
at least it doesnt repair the bad sectors.

thanks
Lembit



From drboz at pacbell.net  Sat Oct 13 09:15:47 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:15:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
References: <s70e74ad.095@cactus.dk> <000801c80d94$ba4082d0$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <003e01c80da3$8de514d0$6801a8c0@Donnew>

You might give SpinRite a try.  www.grc.com

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:29 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility


> Does anyone know of a good HD check/repair utility?
> I have a HD which has according to chkdsk 4 k in bad sectors.
> have tried to run CHKDSK C: /F but this is directly not possible.
> It wants to run it during next start, but there I have no control whether 
> it
> uses /F or not.
> at least it doesnt repair the bad sectors.
>
> thanks
> Lembit
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Oct 13 09:40:34 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:40:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
Message-ID: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB
Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA
Data/FAX Modem (I need to fax some documents)
Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan



From drboz at pacbell.net  Sat Oct 13 09:54:53 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:54:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
References: <s70e74ad.095@cactus.dk> <000801c80d94$ba4082d0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<003e01c80da3$8de514d0$6801a8c0@Donnew>
Message-ID: <005101c80da9$040fd640$6801a8c0@Donnew>

Or you can run chkdsk with any of the options from the Recovery Console....

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Bozarth" <drboz at pacbell.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HD check utility


> You might give SpinRite a try.  www.grc.com
>
> Don B.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:29 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a good HD check/repair utility?
>> I have a HD which has according to chkdsk 4 k in bad sectors.
>> have tried to run CHKDSK C: /F but this is directly not possible.
>> It wants to run it during next start, but there I have no control whether
>> it
>> uses /F or not.
>> at least it doesnt repair the bad sectors.
>>
>> thanks
>> Lembit
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 13 09:55:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:55:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000901c80da9$20b02cf0$657aa8c0@M90>

I suspect that you can get a more powerful system for the same price.  I
build my own servers, the only computers I have purchased in the last 20
years are my laptops.  OTOH, you are your own warranty if you build your
own.  But it is fun. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I need to
fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From drboz at pacbell.net  Sat Oct 13 10:12:57 2007
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:12:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew>

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your 
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and 
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel - 
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board
The MB has dual Gigabit LAN controllers
The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports
The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394 ports
The MB supports 1 standard serial port
I added a PCI Express x 1 parallel port card
I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot, 1 unused PCIX x 1 
slot
Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB
> Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA
> Data/FAX Modem (I need to fax some documents)
> Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
> for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
> I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I 
> should
> just order this from Dell and get it faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 13 11:37:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:37:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <002801c80db7$57a449e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Is the duo core faster at 2.33GHz than a P4 at 3?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I need to
fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 13 12:42:35 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:42:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <002801c80db7$57a449e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <440B4A60E536420297B16A93513DDE10@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Dual core is only faster is the application you are using a multi-threaded
application. 

More and more programs are being developed that way. I believe all the major
OSs use it like Windows and Linux. In a few years all major applications
will be multithreaded. There are a lot of books out on building Java and
.Net app like that.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Is the duo core faster at 2.33GHz than a P4 at 3?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I need to
fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 13 12:48:12 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:48:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <440B4A60E536420297B16A93513DDE10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002801c80db7$57a449e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<440B4A60E536420297B16A93513DDE10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c80dc1$39cd8a80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I spend most of my time (other than responding to list mail) developing
Access apps.  Any advantage there?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:43 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Dual core is only faster is the application you are using a multi-threaded
application. 

More and more programs are being developed that way. I believe all the major
OSs use it like Windows and Linux. In a few years all major applications
will be multithreaded. There are a lot of books out on building Java and
.Net app like that.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Is the duo core faster at 2.33GHz than a P4 at 3?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I need to
fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 13:18:08 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
Message-ID: <968233.65915.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>

I second the spinrite suggestion.  I have to use it a few times to revive a crashed drive.

----- Original Message ----
From: Don Bozarth <drboz at pacbell.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:15:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HD check utility

You might give SpinRite a try.  www.grc.com

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:29 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility


> Does anyone know of a good HD check/repair utility?
> I have a HD which has according to chkdsk 4 k in bad sectors.
> have tried to run CHKDSK C: /F but this is directly not possible.
> It wants to run it during next start, but there I have no control whether 
> it
> uses /F or not.
> at least it doesnt repair the bad sectors.
>
> thanks
> Lembit
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Oct 13 13:18:36 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:18:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <440B4A60E536420297B16A93513DDE10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002801c80db7$57a449e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<440B4A60E536420297B16A93513DDE10@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c80dc5$79440b40$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Does a Duo core handle 2 threads at a time and a Quad core will handle 4
threads at a time?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Dual core is only faster is the application you are using a multi-threaded
application. 

More and more programs are being developed that way. I believe all the major
OSs use it like Windows and Linux. In a few years all major applications
will be multithreaded. There are a lot of books out on building Java and
.Net app like that.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Is the duo core faster at 2.33GHz than a P4 at 3?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I need to
fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 13:22:50 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
Message-ID: <374746.94657.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

If you're interested in building your own, www.extremetech.com has some suggestions for building several varieties of computers, including an $800 gaming pc, a best bang for the buck pc, and a gaming version.  They run down the list of components, why they chose them, and how much they cost.  They will usually give an alternative to some of the components depending on your needs.

HTH,

Rusty

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:40:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I need a faster desktop PC.

Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).

It would have:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB
Windows XP Pro
2 Gb RAM
160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA
Data/FAX Modem (I need to fax some documents)
Audio Card (I assume)
3 yr on-site warranty
No Floppy disk
No Accessories
No extra software

Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I should
just order this from Dell and get it faster.


Thanks!
Dan

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 19:23:51 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:23:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>

I just had to replace the Motherboard in my better half's pc today
(only 10 burst capacitors on the old MoBo that took me the better part
of the day to notice <sigh>). So I managed to get a new one that will
accept the CPU, memory and all the components, but I'm having problems
that I need some suggestions to try and work out the problems.

I can now boot to Windows, almost. It lets me select booting into Safe
Mode or regular windows, but no matter what I choose, I get a BSOD. In
the BSOD message it tells me to run chkdsk /f.

I booted with the install disk and chkdsk /f wasn't an option, just /P
or /R. So I did chkdsk /R and rebooted. no joy, still BSODing.

So I built a BartPE and could run chkdsk /f. No joy still. Still BSODing.

I'm outta ideas here. Anyone have any suggestions for things to try
besides reinstalling windows? I don't particularly want to go down
that road if I don't have to.

The OS is WinXP Pro.

I'm guessing that there is a conflict between the old drivers for the
HD controller and the new controller, but that is just a WAG. I also
think that I'll need to reinstall windows too :(

I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 14 07:11:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:11:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew>
Message-ID: <000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90>

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB
> Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA
> Data/FAX Modem (I need to fax some documents)
> Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
> for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
> I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I 
> should
> just order this from Dell and get it faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Oct 14 08:53:25 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:53:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew>
	<000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90>
Message-ID: <000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB
> Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA
> Data/FAX Modem (I need to fax some documents)
> Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better system
> for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and assembling and
> I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the answer is no then I 
> should
> just order this from Dell and get it faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 14 09:39:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:39:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew><000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90>
	<000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Re: graphics board - are you considering dual monitors?  I just upgraded a
dell with a dual monitor video card and really like having the two monitors.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on 
>your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I 
> need to fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better 
> system for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and 
> assembling and I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the 
> answer is no then I should just order this from Dell and get it 
> faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Oct 14 10:33:58 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:33:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew><000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90><000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c80e77$a3e91e00$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Yes - two monitors would be great.  I could 'lock' various Access windows in
place on one side and work on forms & reports on the other.

I believe the Intel MB's I'm looking will support dual monitors.  If not,
that's another reason to get a video card!

BTW - what two monitors are you using?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Re: graphics board - are you considering dual monitors?  I just upgraded a
dell with a dual monitor video card and really like having the two monitors.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on 
>your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I 
> need to fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better 
> system for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and 
> assembling and I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the 
> answer is no then I should just order this from Dell and get it 
> faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Oct 14 12:19:16 2007
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:19:16 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
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Bryan

I'm pretty sure that unless it's a swap for an identical motherboard, that
your current windows install won't work, and there's not a lot you can do
about it. I know that's not what you want to hear, but I spent a couple of
weeks struggling with the same problems back in April. Why not get another
hard drive and install to that, then move all the data off the old drive
afterwards?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: 14 October 2007 01:24
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

I just had to replace the Motherboard in my better half's pc today (only 10
burst capacitors on the old MoBo that took me the better part of the day to
notice <sigh>). So I managed to get a new one that will accept the CPU,
memory and all the components, but I'm having problems that I need some
suggestions to try and work out the problems.

I can now boot to Windows, almost. It lets me select booting into Safe Mode
or regular windows, but no matter what I choose, I get a BSOD. In the BSOD
message it tells me to run chkdsk /f.

I booted with the install disk and chkdsk /f wasn't an option, just /P or
/R. So I did chkdsk /R and rebooted. no joy, still BSODing.

So I built a BartPE and could run chkdsk /f. No joy still. Still BSODing.

I'm outta ideas here. Anyone have any suggestions for things to try besides
reinstalling windows? I don't particularly want to go down that road if I
don't have to.

The OS is WinXP Pro.

I'm guessing that there is a conflict between the old drivers for the HD
controller and the new controller, but that is just a WAG. I also think that
I'll need to reinstall windows too :(

I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks

--
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body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 14 12:25:26 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:25:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000001c80e77$a3e91e00$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew><000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90><000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters><001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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I have two 19" squares - off brand - AMW - about $150 each.  Both really
nice, crisp, good contrast.  

When developing, I keep the form on  one and the code on the other.  I keep
outlook and other more or less 'static' apps on the 'other' monitor.  I
found that when you drag an unmaximized window to a monitor, Windows
'remembers' and the next time you open that app it goes to the monitor where
it was last opened.

I've just started using dual monitors.  Others on the list have been touting
them for a long time.  They may have more tips about best use.  

Rocky

P.S.  I tried the wide screen.  But to get a good picture, they have to run
in native more - 1440 x something.  Which makes everything to tiny to see.
I develop in 800x600 and when you set a widescreen to anything but native it
seems to distort the contents.  I think because its not 4:3 aspect ratio.
Anyway, I tried a widescreen and it was butt ugly.


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Yes - two monitors would be great.  I could 'lock' various Access windows in
place on one side and work on forms & reports on the other.

I believe the Intel MB's I'm looking will support dual monitors.  If not,
that's another reason to get a video card!

BTW - what two monitors are you using?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Re: graphics board - are you considering dual monitors?  I just upgraded a
dell with a dual monitor video card and really like having the two monitors.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on 
>your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I 
> need to fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better 
> system for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and 
> assembling and I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the 
> answer is no then I should just order this from Dell and get it 
> faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 14 12:44:57 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:44:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Bryan,
I've done this before - I feel your pain brutha!

You should be able to run an install - repair option (not the recovery
option). It will then use the new drivers. Unless you are using an OEM
supplied XP disk, if it has SCSI or SATA drives be ready to supply the hard
disk drivers during startup. I suggest downloading them from the
manufacturer's site and copying them to a floppy before hand if not.

Because its the MOBO you will most likely have to re-activate XP (no big
deal).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

I just had to replace the Motherboard in my better half's pc today (only 10
burst capacitors on the old MoBo that took me the better part of the day to
notice <sigh>). So I managed to get a new one that will accept the CPU,
memory and all the components, but I'm having problems that I need some
suggestions to try and work out the problems.

I can now boot to Windows, almost. It lets me select booting into Safe Mode
or regular windows, but no matter what I choose, I get a BSOD. In the BSOD
message it tells me to run chkdsk /f.

I booted with the install disk and chkdsk /f wasn't an option, just /P or
/R. So I did chkdsk /R and rebooted. no joy, still BSODing.

So I built a BartPE and could run chkdsk /f. No joy still. Still BSODing.

I'm outta ideas here. Anyone have any suggestions for things to try besides
reinstalling windows? I don't particularly want to go down that road if I
don't have to.

The OS is WinXP Pro.

I'm guessing that there is a conflict between the old drivers for the HD
controller and the new controller, but that is just a WAG. I also think that
I'll need to reinstall windows too :(

I'm open to suggestions.




From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Oct 14 12:50:41 2007
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:50:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <003401c80e87$360dd870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew><000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90><000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters><001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c80e77$a3e91e00$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<003401c80e87$360dd870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000701c80e8a$bcb36bd0$0300a8c0@jt2b>

You're right Rocky, I think the only use for widescreen monitors is to watch
films on.

I've been using 2 monitors for nearly a year now, and I tend to have Outlook
and IE open on the second monitor, leaving the main screen for whatever it
is I'm paying attention to... Instant messaging, games etc...

I have to talk my boss into buying me another monitor for work, because only
having the one screen there feels like I've had a limb removed or something.


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: 14 October 2007 18:25
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I have two 19" squares - off brand - AMW - about $150 each.  Both really
nice, crisp, good contrast.  

When developing, I keep the form on  one and the code on the other.  I keep
outlook and other more or less 'static' apps on the 'other' monitor.  I
found that when you drag an unmaximized window to a monitor, Windows
'remembers' and the next time you open that app it goes to the monitor where
it was last opened.

I've just started using dual monitors.  Others on the list have been touting
them for a long time.  They may have more tips about best use.  

Rocky

P.S.  I tried the wide screen.  But to get a good picture, they have to run
in native more - 1440 x something.  Which makes everything to tiny to see.
I develop in 800x600 and when you set a widescreen to anything but native it
seems to distort the contents.  I think because its not 4:3 aspect ratio.
Anyway, I tried a widescreen and it was butt ugly.


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Yes - two monitors would be great.  I could 'lock' various Access windows in
place on one side and work on forms & reports on the other.

I believe the Intel MB's I'm looking will support dual monitors.  If not,
that's another reason to get a video card!

BTW - what two monitors are you using?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Re: graphics board - are you considering dual monitors?  I just upgraded a
dell with a dual monitor video card and really like having the two monitors.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on 
>your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I 
> need to fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better 
> system for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and 
> assembling and I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the 
> answer is no then I should just order this from Dell and get it 
> faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Sun Oct 14 13:02:07 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:02:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
References: <s70e74ad.095@cactus.dk> <000801c80d94$ba4082d0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<003e01c80da3$8de514d0$6801a8c0@Donnew>
Message-ID: <000801c80e8c$5606ddc0$1800a8c0@s1800>

Thank you, will get that.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Bozarth" <drboz at pacbell.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HD check utility


> You might give SpinRite a try.  www.grc.com
>
> Don B.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:29 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] HD check utility
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a good HD check/repair utility?
>> I have a HD which has according to chkdsk 4 k in bad sectors.
>> have tried to run CHKDSK C: /F but this is directly not possible.
>> It wants to run it during next start, but there I have no control whether
>> it
>> uses /F or not.
>> at least it doesnt repair the bad sectors.
>>
>> thanks
>> Lembit
>>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 13:06:56 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:06:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> You should be able to run an install - repair option (not the recovery
> option). It will then use the new drivers. Unless you are using an OEM

That's what I finally did at 10 last night, a repair :(

I'm now on hour 5 of downloading and installing the updates :( 59 to
get to the point where I could download and install SP2. SP2
installed. Now 60 more post SP2 and still going. <sheesh> Why couldn't
they just make 1 big update for folks like me.

> Because its the MOBO you will most likely have to re-activate XP (no big
> deal).

It hasn't asked me to do that yet. But we're still not done :(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 14 13:12:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:12:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <000701c80e8a$bcb36bd0$0300a8c0@jt2b>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters><006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew><000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90><000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters><001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c80e77$a3e91e00$0200a8c0@danwaters><003401c80e87$360dd870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000701c80e8a$bcb36bd0$0300a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <003701c80e8d$bb32b7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I love being right! :)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

You're right Rocky, I think the only use for widescreen monitors is to watch
films on.

I've been using 2 monitors for nearly a year now, and I tend to have Outlook
and IE open on the second monitor, leaving the main screen for whatever it
is I'm paying attention to... Instant messaging, games etc...

I have to talk my boss into buying me another monitor for work, because only
having the one screen there feels like I've had a limb removed or something.


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: 14 October 2007 18:25
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I have two 19" squares - off brand - AMW - about $150 each.  Both really
nice, crisp, good contrast.  

When developing, I keep the form on  one and the code on the other.  I keep
outlook and other more or less 'static' apps on the 'other' monitor.  I
found that when you drag an unmaximized window to a monitor, Windows
'remembers' and the next time you open that app it goes to the monitor where
it was last opened.

I've just started using dual monitors.  Others on the list have been touting
them for a long time.  They may have more tips about best use.  

Rocky

P.S.  I tried the wide screen.  But to get a good picture, they have to run
in native more - 1440 x something.  Which makes everything to tiny to see.
I develop in 800x600 and when you set a widescreen to anything but native it
seems to distort the contents.  I think because its not 4:3 aspect ratio.
Anyway, I tried a widescreen and it was butt ugly.


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Yes - two monitors would be great.  I could 'lock' various Access windows in
place on one side and work on forms & reports on the other.

I believe the Intel MB's I'm looking will support dual monitors.  If not,
that's another reason to get a video card!

BTW - what two monitors are you using?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Re: graphics board - are you considering dual monitors?  I just upgraded a
dell with a dual monitor video card and really like having the two monitors.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

I looked at www.ExtremeTech.com to see what they had.  One of the PC's they
built seemed to be what I'm looking for - It's the one that the author built
for his girlfriend.  

So far, I can get a collection of components that are similar to the Dell I
selected and altogether are a little lower in price (~$950).  In a few
weeks, I'll post what I finally did.  

I am going to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz processor ($280), and
probably an Intel MB ($130?) (there are many to choose from).  Intel's web
site seems to have a great deal of information, and they have a 3 year
warranty.

The most significant option is whether to get a Graphics card - the one I've
been looking at is great for gamers - EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB ($375 -
not included in the price above).  I don't need it for games - what I want
to do is do some 3D design work which involves rendering realistic surfaces,
light sources, shading, and quickly changing views.  I think I'll not buy it
initially - see how things go - and maybe get it later.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

Don,

>In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on 
>your
own.

At the low end this is definitely true.  At the high end not so.  Dell and
others want to make their money back off those who can afford high end
equipment.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC

In this day and age, you can buy one for far less than building one on your
own.  However, building one allows you to choose exactly what you want, and
it's a heck of a lot of fun.  Just built one here:

Asus P5K WS motherboard
Intel core 2 duo 3 Ghz
3 Gb RAM (dual channel 1333 FSB)
2 1x2 Raid 1 arrays.. one 300Gb, one 500Gb (all drives are SATA)
      (one drive from each array is accessible from the front panel -
Kingwin Hot Swap shelves)
2 SATA cd/dvd R/W
Asus PCI Express x 16 Video card Nvidia GeForce 7300 based (I'm not a gamer)
The MB has 8 Channel hi def audio on board The MB has dual Gigabit LAN
controllers The MB supports 12 USB 2.0 ports The MB supports 2 IEEE 1394
ports The MB supports 1 standard serial port I added a PCI Express x 1
parallel port card I have 2 unused PCI slots, 1 unused PCI Express x 1 slot,
1 unused PCIX x 1 slot Cooler Master Elite 330 Case

But it cost about twice what your dell is going for...

Don B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC


>I need a faster desktop PC.
>
> Dell has what I would like for about $1140 (Optiplex).
>
> It would have:
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 Ghz, 4Mb, VT, 1333Mhz FSB Windows XP Pro
> 2 Gb RAM
> 160 SATA HD (I only use 30 Gb now)
> 48X32 CDRW/DVD Combo - with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink Power DVD
> 256 Mb ATI Radeon 2400 XT, Dual Monitor DVI or VGA Data/FAX Modem (I 
> need to fax some documents) Audio Card (I assume)
> 3 yr on-site warranty
> No Floppy disk
> No Accessories
> No extra software
>
> Could I build a similar system for a lower price or build a better 
> system for about the same?  I would enjoy selecting components and 
> assembling and I've ordered a book on how to do this, but if the 
> answer is no then I should just order this from Dell and get it 
> faster.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Sun Oct 14 13:15:13 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:15:13 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>

I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
I have the original disc intact
and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it running. 
(made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by 
running them as slave).
Now all of the sudden I get

Operating System not found

when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected, and 
yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.

Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System 
disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?

Thanks
Lembit 



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Oct 14 13:18:47 2007
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:18:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c80e8e$a9eee610$0300a8c0@jt2b>

When I replaced mine, the repair install didn't fix it, I had to format and
start again...

A word of advice here, if you have two drives that are the same size and
near enough the same serial number, disconnect the one with all your music
and movie files on before you format the wrong one... You probably all heard
the "argh!" when I realised...


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: 14 October 2007 19:07
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> You should be able to run an install - repair option (not the recovery 
> option). It will then use the new drivers. Unless you are using an OEM

That's what I finally did at 10 last night, a repair :(

I'm now on hour 5 of downloading and installing the updates :( 59 to get to
the point where I could download and install SP2. SP2 installed. Now 60 more
post SP2 and still going. <sheesh> Why couldn't they just make 1 big update
for folks like me.

> Because its the MOBO you will most likely have to re-activate XP (no 
> big deal).

It hasn't asked me to do that yet. But we're still not done :(

--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 13:34:33 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:34:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
In-Reply-To: <003701c80e8d$bb32b7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000701c80da7$03b9d8f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<006201c80dab$8a390320$6801a8c0@Donnew>
	<000501c80e5b$62f38b40$0eac1cac@M90>
	<000001c80e69$98207cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<001001c80e70$16f57450$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000001c80e77$a3e91e00$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<003401c80e87$360dd870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000701c80e8a$bcb36bd0$0300a8c0@jt2b>
	<003701c80e8d$bb32b7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710141134h47c45d1ej7313342de2488234@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have any idea what that feels like, Rocky, but I envy you.

On 10/14/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I love being right! :)
>
> Rocky
>
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 15:59:55 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:59:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <000801c80e8e$a9eee610$0300a8c0@jt2b>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801c80e8e$a9eee610$0300a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710141359r142182d7oaa760912c7d4e280@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/07, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> A word of advice here, if you have two drives that are the same size and
> near enough the same serial number, disconnect the one with all your music
> and movie files on before you format the wrong one... You probably all heard
> the "argh!" when I realised...

Been there. Done that. Got the headaches to prove it :)

Luckily it didn't happen this time.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sun Oct 14 17:19:05 2007
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:19:05 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710141359r142182d7oaa760912c7d4e280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBKEFKDHAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

How about the following Tip, it is not mine, but I have used it also with
success.

Helmut

How To Move Xp Harddrive To New Motherboard

really easy.

But this only works if the original motherboard and harddrive still work. so
put it back together.
For newbies, go to control panel, double-click the system icon, go to
hardware tab, and click device manager button.
Find the IDE ATA/ATAPI CONTROLLERS and expand the tab.
Not the primary or secondary controller, but right-click the first
controller.
Choose update driver.
Choose the option to install from a list or specific location.
Click next.
Now choose the (don't search. I will choose the driver to install) option.
Click next.
Now highlight the Standard Dual Channel Pci Ide Controller.
Click next.
The Standard controller will install.
Now reboot.
Log in.
The standard controller is completely installed.
You can now shutdown the computer, remove your harddrive, and it will boot
with the new motherboard.
I've done this 24 times on 12 different computers. It works.




-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Bryan
Carbonnell
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 23:00
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed


On 10/14/07, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> A word of advice here, if you have two drives that are the same size and
> near enough the same serial number, disconnect the one with all your music
> and movie files on before you format the wrong one... You probably all
heard
> the "argh!" when I realised...

Been there. Done that. Got the headaches to prove it :)

Luckily it didn't happen this time.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 14 21:08:12 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:08:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f501c80ed0$3dbfde30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Oh the joy, eh?
You should be able to download SP2 directly from MS and apply without the
previous patches. After SP2 you have (IIRC) 89 more! They shoul dhave SP3
out soon (I hope) which will save doing those 89 also.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> You should be able to run an install - repair option (not the recovery 
> option). It will then use the new drivers. Unless you are using an OEM

That's what I finally did at 10 last night, a repair :(

I'm now on hour 5 of downloading and installing the updates :( 59 to get to
the point where I could download and install SP2. SP2 installed. Now 60 more
post SP2 and still going. <sheesh> Why couldn't they just make 1 big update
for folks like me.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 14 21:35:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:35:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <01f501c80ed0$3dbfde30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f501c80ed0$3dbfde30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000101c80ed4$061c4230$0eac1cac@M90>

I read somewhere that when XP launched MS had a list of over 65K KNOWN bugs.
That has no doubt GROWN by now, since they only fix the worst of the worst. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

Oh the joy, eh?
You should be able to download SP2 directly from MS and apply without the
previous patches. After SP2 you have (IIRC) 89 more! They shoul dhave SP3
out soon (I hope) which will save doing those 89 also.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> You should be able to run an install - repair option (not the recovery 
> option). It will then use the new drivers. Unless you are using an OEM

That's what I finally did at 10 last night, a repair :(

I'm now on hour 5 of downloading and installing the updates :( 59 to get to
the point where I could download and install SP2. SP2 installed. Now 60 more
post SP2 and still going. <sheesh> Why couldn't they just make 1 big update
for folks like me.


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 04:30:55 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:30:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <01f501c80ed0$3dbfde30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710141106k63349976w64d1877bee86143b@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f501c80ed0$3dbfde30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710150230g2c5df5a5sa3ffd98e372db05c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Oh the joy, eh?
> You should be able to download SP2 directly from MS and apply without the
> previous patches. After SP2 you have (IIRC) 89 more! They shoul dhave SP3
> out soon (I hope) which will save doing those 89 also.

Nope I couldn't. Everytime I tries, I just got the 59 pre-SP2 patches
to download. Thats'  what I was hoping for too :(

I only got 60 + 4 in 2 rounds of updates. So maybe I got lucky :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Mon Oct 15 04:35:39 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:35:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F407@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

Well, in case you need to do it again, here's the URL for SP2:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-8245-9e368d3cdb5a&DisplayLang=en


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed


On 10/14/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Oh the joy, eh?
> You should be able to download SP2 directly from MS and apply without the
> previous patches. After SP2 you have (IIRC) 89 more! They shoul dhave SP3
> out soon (I hope) which will save doing those 89 also.

Nope I couldn't. Everytime I tries, I just got the 59 pre-SP2 patches
to download. Thats'  what I was hoping for too :(

I only got 60 + 4 in 2 rounds of updates. So maybe I got lucky :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 06:43:09 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:43:09 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>

got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just 
temporarily working:

this PC has:
1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
4 - DVD burner
5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
- Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate outputs 
for drives (1-5 above)

What I did so far:
disconnect power for the SCSI drives
result: works ok

now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
works ok and I am presently running Check on R:

The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
all 5 together max 465 W
assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.

so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????

Lembit


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
> I have the original disc intact
> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it running.
> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
> running them as slave).
> Now all of the sudden I get
>
> Operating System not found
>
> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected, 
> and
> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>
> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System
> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>
> Thanks
> Lembit
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> -- 
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>
> 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 15 07:09:58 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:09:58 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build vs. Buy a PC
Message-ID: <s71374c0.031@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Then don't waste your time plumbing. Get an IBM IntelliStation. Highly recommended.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 13-10-2007 19:48 >>>
I spend most of my time (other than responding to list mail) developing
Access apps.  Any advantage there?

Rocky




From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 08:42:39 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:42:39 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>

ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own 
will ;)

exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
so explain this:
- the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
- then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked 
it with 3 different HDs that all work.
on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
this morning again the same.
- disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
- exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
- reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as 
yesterday afternoon and this morning,
and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when it 
didnt work.

and now, how do I find the problem????

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
> temporarily working:
>
> this PC has:
> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
> 4 - DVD burner
> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate outputs
> for drives (1-5 above)
>
> What I did so far:
> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
> result: works ok
>
> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>
> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
> all 5 together max 465 W
> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>
> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>
> Lembit
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>> I have the original disc intact
>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it 
>> running.
>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>> running them as slave).
>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>
>> Operating System not found
>>
>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>> and
>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>
>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System
>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lembit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>> 13.10.2007 19:26
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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>
> 



From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Mon Oct 15 08:40:54 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:40:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F412@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

With a priest and some Holy Water? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own 
will ;)

exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
so explain this:
- the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
- then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked 
it with 3 different HDs that all work.
on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
this morning again the same.
- disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
- exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
- reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as 
yesterday afternoon and this morning,
and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when it 
didnt work.

and now, how do I find the problem????

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
> temporarily working:
>
> this PC has:
> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
> 4 - DVD burner
> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate outputs
> for drives (1-5 above)
>
> What I did so far:
> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
> result: works ok
>
> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>
> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
> all 5 together max 465 W
> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>
> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>
> Lembit
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>> I have the original disc intact
>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it 
>> running.
>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>> running them as slave).
>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>
>> Operating System not found
>>
>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>> and
>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>
>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System
>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lembit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1069 - Release Date:
>> 13.10.2007 19:26
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 08:58:16 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:58:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710150658s52f374bdh839222e2f2c73ee8@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say it's time to backup any data on that system. Just in case. ;-)

I had a similar, "now you see, it now you don't", experience with a
DVD drive this morning. It was there and working. I was playing a dvd
while I had a couple other things going on including a data backup. I
shut down Media Player and the drive access light stayed on and the
door would not open to allow me to take out the disc. At that time I
didn't realize that there was a force release button inside a little
hole in the front on this particular drive. I went into device manager
to see what it thought about that drive and it didn't even appear
there at all. The second DVD drive was there but not this one. OK. Try
a restart. Still can't see it in device manager and light is still on.
Do a shutdown and then power it back up and THEN it showed back up
again and the open drawer button again worked.  Grrrr.

I hope your system has gotten that wierdness out of it's system Lembit
and will continue to work as it's supposed to.

GK.

On 10/15/07, Lembit Soobik <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when it
> didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????
>
> Lembit
>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 09:14:15 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:14:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710150714i276fccaer967c4d51306e1166@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/07, Lembit Soobik <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when it
> didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????

My suggestion is to carefully check all the capacitors on the
Motherboard to make sure there are no burst one.

The Motherboard I just replaced was flakey. It would work then it
wouldn't. I could boot windows, then I couldn't. It would run for
hours then reboot after only a minute or two of use.

Turns out the MoBo had 11 or 12 burst or bulging capacitors. I guess
it took a power spike somewhere even though it was on UPS with power
conditioning.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 09:29:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:29:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F412@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F412@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <002301c80f37$baf622d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I asked a Catholic friend once how you make Holy Water.  He said just take
regular water and boil the Hell out of it.  Is that true?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:41 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

With a priest and some Holy Water? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
will ;)

exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
so explain this:
- the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
- then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked
it with 3 different HDs that all work.
on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
this morning again the same.
- disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
- exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
- reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
yesterday afternoon and this morning, and the system still works fine.
nothing is different from yesterday when it didnt work.

and now, how do I find the problem????

Lembit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
> temporarily working:
>
> this PC has:
> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
> 4 - DVD burner
> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate outputs
> for drives (1-5 above)
>
> What I did so far:
> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
> result: works ok
>
> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>
> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
> all 5 together max 465 W
> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>
> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>
> Lembit
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>> I have the original disc intact
>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it 
>> running.
>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>> running them as slave).
>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>
>> Operating System not found
>>
>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>> and
>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>
>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System
>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lembit
>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 15 09:39:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:39:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
Message-ID: <s71397ed.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

You don't need that. Just wave your hand above the bottle. Believe it or not.

I have cured computers just by talking with the client. So they say. That you may believe. 

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 15-10-2007 16:29 >>>
I asked a Catholic friend once how you make Holy Water.  He said just take
regular water and boil the Hell out of it.  Is that true?

Rocky




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 09:50:39 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:50:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] List fields
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710150750t32e3cbd4i65b3aa0ca863b86@mail.gmail.com>

Would someone kindly remind me how to list all the fields in a given table?
Actually I need all the fieldnames from several tables, but I can do it one
at a time.

-- Memory is the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.
Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 10:05:35 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:05:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <s71397ed.043@cactus.dk>
References: <s71397ed.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002b01c80f3c$d6c30aa0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

My hand?  But...I'm Jewish. 

Rocky



 	
	

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:40 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

Hi Rocky

You don't need that. Just wave your hand above the bottle. Believe it or
not.

I have cured computers just by talking with the client. So they say. That
you may believe. 

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 15-10-2007 16:29 >>>
I asked a Catholic friend once how you make Holy Water.  He said just take
regular water and boil the Hell out of it.  Is that true?

Rocky


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 15 10:09:50 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:09:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] List fields
Message-ID: <s7139ef8.045@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Create a ComboBox, set RowSource to your table and RowSourceType to list field names.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 15-10-2007 16:50 >>>
Would someone kindly remind me how to list all the fields in a given table?
Actually I need all the fieldnames from several tables, but I can do it one
at a time.

-- Memory is the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.
Arthur




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 10:12:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:12:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] List fields
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710150750t32e3cbd4i65b3aa0ca863b86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710150750t32e3cbd4i65b3aa0ca863b86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c80f3d$d5b88300$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Ooh. I think I know this one.


Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Dim fld As DAO.Field

Set db = DBEngine.OpenDatabase(gstrDatabaseName, False, False)
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("MyTable")
For Each fld In rs.Fields
   	MsgBox fld.Name
Next fld
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing 

I think...

Rocky



 	
	

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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] List fields

Would someone kindly remind me how to list all the fields in a given table?
Actually I need all the fieldnames from several tables, but I can do it one
at a time.

-- Memory is the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 10:25:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:25:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] List fields
In-Reply-To: <002c01c80f3d$d5b88300$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0710150750t32e3cbd4i65b3aa0ca863b86@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c80f3d$d5b88300$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710150825u4178770al7b74716e8eb20b9c@mail.gmail.com>

That did it, Rocky. Thanks!
Arthur

On 10/15/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Ooh. I think I know this one.
>


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 11:07:23 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:07:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800><001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<e04a6c920710150714i276fccaer967c4d51306e1166@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c80f45$795e1c70$1800a8c0@s1800>

Thanks, Bryan,
have now checked al the capacitors. man that are quite a lot!
but they look perfectly ok.
so at least that' ok.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> On 10/15/07, Lembit Soobik <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
>> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an 
>> own
>> will ;)
>>
>> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
>> so explain this:
>> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
>> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), 
>> checked
>> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
>> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
>> this morning again the same.
>> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
>> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
>> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
>> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
>> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when 
>> it
>> didnt work.
>>
>> and now, how do I find the problem????
>
> My suggestion is to carefully check all the capacitors on the
> Motherboard to make sure there are no burst one.
>
> The Motherboard I just replaced was flakey. It would work then it
> wouldn't. I could boot windows, then I couldn't. It would run for
> hours then reboot after only a minute or two of use.
>
> Turns out the MoBo had 11 or 12 burst or bulging capacitors. I guess
> it took a power spike somewhere even though it was on UPS with power
> conditioning.
>
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 11:09:18 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:09:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Combining a query with a report
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710150909s63d53878j9ffe386c7157c52@mail.gmail.com>

This one is puzzling me more than a little. The user wants to be able to
impose a filter on a form. I explained to her how to use "Filter by Form"
and she's pretty sharp so she picked up on it very quickly. But now the
question is, how to pipe the current filter into a report. I had hoped that
Access would take the values in "Filter By Form" and write them into the
"Filter" property of the form, but apparently this is not the case. The
information is undoubtedly somewhere, even if only in Access's memory. The
question is, how to obtain it. Once I figure that out, then I can capture it
and pass the string as the WhereCondition to the report. The columns on said
report won't change, but the Filter conditions may vary widely. Now that
said user understands "Filter By Form", we're most of the way there, but she
wants totals on various columns, so the report can handle part if I can
figure out how to feed the current filter into it.

Anyone got any ideas on this?

TIA,
Arthur


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 11:15:07 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:15:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800><001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<aea6c4950710150658s52f374bdh839222e2f2c73ee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c80f46$8dd716b0$1800a8c0@s1800>

yes, thats taken care of. have just replaced the system drive which started 
all the mess.
but how do you back up a motherboard? ;)
like: Scottie, beam me a copy of the MOB? :)

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> I'd say it's time to backup any data on that system. Just in case. ;-)
>
> I had a similar, "now you see, it now you don't", experience with a
> DVD drive this morning. It was there and working. I was playing a dvd
> while I had a couple other things going on including a data backup. I
> shut down Media Player and the drive access light stayed on and the
> door would not open to allow me to take out the disc. At that time I
> didn't realize that there was a force release button inside a little
> hole in the front on this particular drive. I went into device manager
> to see what it thought about that drive and it didn't even appear
> there at all. The second DVD drive was there but not this one. OK. Try
> a restart. Still can't see it in device manager and light is still on.
> Do a shutdown and then power it back up and THEN it showed back up
> again and the open drawer button again worked.  Grrrr.
>
> I hope your system has gotten that wierdness out of it's system Lembit
> and will continue to work as it's supposed to.
>
> GK.
>
> On 10/15/07, Lembit Soobik <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
>> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an 
>> own
>> will ;)
>>
>> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
>> so explain this:
>> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
>> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), 
>> checked
>> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
>> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
>> this morning again the same.
>> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
>> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
>> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
>> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
>> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when 
>> it
>> didnt work.
>>
>> and now, how do I find the problem????
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>
> -- 
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> garykjos at gmail.com
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>
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 15 11:23:01 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:23:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Lembit,
Possibly one particle on the HD was going bad and the information stored on
it was relocated after a boot-up scan by check disk? XP will do disk
checking on start-up

Or maybe the Moon's alignment with Mars was just a hair off?
;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:43 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
will ;)

exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
so explain this:
- the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
- then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked
it with 3 different HDs that all work.
on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
this morning again the same.
- disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
- exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
- reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
yesterday afternoon and this morning, and the system still works fine.
nothing is different from yesterday when it didnt work.

and now, how do I find the problem????

Lembit




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 11:31:57 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:31:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com>
	<015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710150931l1786cacch455b6940dace7142@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Or maybe the Moon's alignment with Mars was just a hair off?
> ;o)

Ohh, that brings up another point (Yea, I know, my mind works in weird ways).

With the installation of the new drive, were there any reorientation
of the existing drives? From horizontal to vertical, or vertical to
horizontal?

If there was, then that may be an issue, the heads and platters being
affected by the slight gravitational differences due to the
orientation.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 15 11:28:06 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:28:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F407@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F407@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <031401c80f48$5defd5c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks Jon,
I should have posted a link for Bryan <blush>.

Windows Update won't present you with the option to skip the pre-SP2 updates
but you can get any of the updates as individuals downloads and apply them
as needed. I used to do this when dial-up was the defacto connection method
for most of my clients. I'd then burn them to a CD and take them onsite with
me. This would be the manual method which can now be replaced by using WSUS
in small networks or SMS in larger environments.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

Well, in case you need to do it again, here's the URL for SP2:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-
8245-9e368d3cdb5a&DisplayLang=en




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 15 11:48:44 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:48:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710150931l1786cacch455b6940dace7142@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800><001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800><031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710150931l1786cacch455b6940dace7142@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <032601c80f4b$4004f650$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

LOL! 

Glad to be of assistance!
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell

On 10/15/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Or maybe the Moon's alignment with Mars was just a hair off?
> ;o)

Ohh, that brings up another point (Yea, I know, my mind works in weird
ways).

With the installation of the new drive, were there any reorientation of the
existing drives? From horizontal to vertical, or vertical to horizontal?

If there was, then that may be an issue, the heads and platters being
affected by the slight gravitational differences due to the orientation.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 12:01:09 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:01:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Combining a query with a report
References: <29f585dd0710150909s63d53878j9ffe386c7157c52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013101c80f4d$0c392830$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Arthur, you can, but I'll have to look it up -- if I forget, nudge me later. 
It'll take me a while to find it because it's old.

Susan H.



> This one is puzzling me more than a little. The user wants to be able to
> impose a filter on a form. I explained to her how to use "Filter by Form"
> and she's pretty sharp so she picked up on it very quickly. But now the
> question is, how to pipe the current filter into a report. I had hoped 
> that
> Access would take the values in "Filter By Form" and write them into the
> "Filter" property of the form, but apparently this is not the case. The
> information is undoubtedly somewhere, even if only in Access's memory. The
> question is, how to obtain it. Once I figure that out, then I can capture 
> it
> and pass the string as the WhereCondition to the report. The columns on 
> said
> report won't change, but the Filter conditions may vary widely. Now that
> said user understands "Filter By Form", we're most of the way there, but 
> she
> wants totals on various columns, so the report can handle part if I can
> figure out how to feed the current filter into it.
>
> Anyone got any ideas on this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 12:46:44 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Combining a query with a report
Message-ID: <23289.76341.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>

I've not tried it, but can you take the current filter applied to the form, and use that as your WHERE clause when opening the report.

For example if calling the report from the same form do the following:

DoCmd.OpenReport "YourReportNameHere", acViewPreview, , Me.Filter

HTH,

Rusty

----- Original Message ----
From: Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:01:09 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Combining a query with a report

Arthur, you can, but I'll have to look it up -- if I forget, nudge me later. 
It'll take me a while to find it because it's old.

Susan H.



> This one is puzzling me more than a little. The user wants to be able to
> impose a filter on a form. I explained to her how to use "Filter by Form"
> and she's pretty sharp so she picked up on it very quickly. But now the
> question is, how to pipe the current filter into a report. I had hoped 
> that
> Access would take the values in "Filter By Form" and write them into the
> "Filter" property of the form, but apparently this is not the case. The
> information is undoubtedly somewhere, even if only in Access's memory. The
> question is, how to obtain it. Once I figure that out, then I can capture 
> it
> and pass the string as the WhereCondition to the report. The columns on 
> said
> report won't change, but the Filter conditions may vary widely. Now that
> said user understands "Filter By Form", we're most of the way there, but 
> she
> wants totals on various columns, so the report can handle part if I can
> figure out how to feed the current filter into it.
>
> Anyone got any ideas on this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 13:12:14 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:12:14 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800><001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <008c01c80f56$e9f12c00$1800a8c0@s1800>

since I have the OS on 3 differnt HDs, and tried all 3 of them with the same 
result,
plus, it did not even get close to Windows (to run checkdisk) when it told 
me OS not found,
this theory fails,
leaving only the 'Mars at war with Windows'.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> Lembit,
> Possibly one particle on the HD was going bad and the information stored 
> on
> it was relocated after a boot-up scan by check disk? XP will do disk
> checking on start-up
>
> Or maybe the Moon's alignment with Mars was just a hair off?
> ;o)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:43 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), 
> checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning, and the system still works fine.
> nothing is different from yesterday when it didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????
>
> Lembit
>
>
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Oct 15 13:13:24 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:13:24 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <e04a6c920710131723s53b26d0sefa02f0b5e22aba1@mail.gmail.com><015201c80e89$efe74a40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><000d01c80e8e$2a6f6ef0$1800a8c0@s1800><609101c80f20$8faa9370$1800a8c0@s1800><001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800><031301c80f47$a7daad00$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<e04a6c920710150931l1786cacch455b6940dace7142@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009101c80f57$13b639e0$1800a8c0@s1800>

thanks Bryan, but no cigar: everthing was and is horizontal :)

Lembit

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From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> On 10/15/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> Or maybe the Moon's alignment with Mars was just a hair off?
>> ;o)
>
> Ohh, that brings up another point (Yea, I know, my mind works in weird 
> ways).
>
> With the installation of the new drive, were there any reorientation
> of the existing drives? From horizontal to vertical, or vertical to
> horizontal?
>
> If there was, then that may be an issue, the heads and platters being
> affected by the slight gravitational differences due to the
> orientation.
>
> -- 
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> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Oct 15 14:16:46 2007
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed
In-Reply-To: <031401c80f48$5defd5c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F407@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<031401c80f48$5defd5c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <002101c80f5f$edfdeb90$0300a8c0@jt2b>

I have a copy of all the big patches on my laptop at work, because when I go
to different sites its easier to deploy them from somewhere on the local
network than to cripple the 512kb link between sites that some of our
smaller branches have... I let WSUS pick up the smaller ones though, or I'd
be carrying a server around with me :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: 15 October 2007 17:28
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

Thanks Jon,
I should have posted a link for Bryan <blush>.

Windows Update won't present you with the option to skip the pre-SP2 updates
but you can get any of the updates as individuals downloads and apply them
as needed. I used to do this when dial-up was the defacto connection method
for most of my clients. I'd then burn them to a CD and take them onsite with
me. This would be the manual method which can now be replaced by using WSUS
in small networks or SMS in larger environments.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem After New MoBo Installed

Well, in case you need to do it again, here's the URL for SP2:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-
8245-9e368d3cdb5a&DisplayLang=en


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 15 13:30:48 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:30:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710150714i276fccaer967c4d51306e1166@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97B69AC7B72E48439050D86553B48D8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Bryan:

It seems that you have been hit with the case of the gibbled capacitors. A
Korean company produced these faulty units for about 6 months until it was
discovered there was an error in the processing. By that time it was too
late and all computer mother designers had been using their capacitors.
There are hundreds of thousnads of motherboards out there that fail because
of this and it is all just 'buyer beware'. 

If you are have and are good with a soldering gun and can read the capacitor
code the whole fix can be accomplished for about 30 bucks and 1 hours work.
A good friend and hardware guy replaced all the capacitors on one of my
boards. (I only have a cheap gun and no skill with that type of work...)

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:14 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

On 10/15/07, Lembit Soobik <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found),
checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when
it
> didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????

My suggestion is to carefully check all the capacitors on the
Motherboard to make sure there are no burst one.

The Motherboard I just replaced was flakey. It would work then it
wouldn't. I could boot windows, then I couldn't. It would run for
hours then reboot after only a minute or two of use.

Turns out the MoBo had 11 or 12 burst or bulging capacitors. I guess
it took a power spike somewhere even though it was on UPS with power
conditioning.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 15:03:00 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:03:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <97B69AC7B72E48439050D86553B48D8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <e04a6c920710150714i276fccaer967c4d51306e1166@mail.gmail.com>
	<97B69AC7B72E48439050D86553B48D8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710151303g20946764ubbe06274ac8976ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It seems that you have been hit with the case of the gibbled capacitors. A
> Korean company produced these faulty units for about 6 months until it was
> discovered there was an error in the processing. By that time it was too
> late and all computer mother designers had been using their capacitors.
> There are hundreds of thousnads of motherboards out there that fail because
> of this and it is all just 'buyer beware'.
>
> If you are have and are good with a soldering gun and can read the capacitor
> code the whole fix can be accomplished for about 30 bucks and 1 hours work.
> A good friend and hardware guy replaced all the capacitors on one of my
> boards. (I only have a cheap gun and no skill with that type of work...)

No skill (haven't soldered anything in about 25 years)
No iron
No MoBo anymore. There is an electronics recycling drop off today and
tomorrow here at work, so I brought it in for them to take it 3 blocks
from my house for recycling :)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 15 13:19:02 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:19:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <001501c80f31$4151c070$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <09D70D4F0CBA4B73A494D3B0DC95ECC3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Lembit:

It appears that the god of computers is shining on you. Have you checked
Start > My Computer > right-mouse-click > properties > Hardware tab > Device
Manager Button and then check to see if all hardware devices are recognized.
The ones that are not, you can have their drivers updated or if they are not
present on the current machine they will have to be removed from the BIOS
listing. (Reboot > F2 or Del > advanced setting.... but this very machine
dependant.)

Jim

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:43 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own 
will ;)

exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
so explain this:
- the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
- then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), checked 
it with 3 different HDs that all work.
on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
this morning again the same.
- disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
- exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
- reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as 
yesterday afternoon and this morning,
and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when it

didnt work.

and now, how do I find the problem????

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
> temporarily working:
>
> this PC has:
> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
> 4 - DVD burner
> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate outputs
> for drives (1-5 above)
>
> What I did so far:
> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
> result: works ok
>
> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>
> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
> all 5 together max 465 W
> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>
> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>
> Lembit
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>> I have the original disc intact
>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it 
>> running.
>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>> running them as slave).
>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>
>> Operating System not found
>>
>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>> and
>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>
>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the System
>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lembit
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 15:22:11 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:22:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Combining a query with a report
In-Reply-To: <23289.76341.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <23289.76341.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710151322t123cd053r473bec39c3f3972d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! I'll give it a whirl.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Rusty Hammond <rustykh at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've not tried it, but can you take the current filter applied to the
> form, and use that as your WHERE clause when opening the report.
>
> For example if calling the report from the same form do the following:
>
> DoCmd.OpenReport "YourReportNameHere", acViewPreview, , Me.Filter
>
> HTH,
>
> Rusty
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 09:55:16 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:55:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
Message-ID: <004701c81005$52bf5190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I use Normal (Web) style for some of the content I write for a specific publisher. It isn't listed in the Style control's list by default. That means, I have to open the Style pane to add it. This is getting old. How can I add a style to the Style control's list, permanently? 

Susan Harkins

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 10:46:02 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:46:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
In-Reply-To: <004701c81005$52bf5190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <004701c81005$52bf5190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710160846j499058ddh7d2bf2795fb29540@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know offhand, but I don't use the Style control at all. I've
assigned all the styles I care about to shortcut keys. I think that if you
open any document that already has Normal Web in it, then it will appear.
Then give it a shortcut like maybe Alt+N. I've assigned Alt+1 to Heading 1,
Alt+2 to Heading 2 and so on. It's way quicker, assuming you can type, which
after lo your many tomes I would guess that you can.

A.

On 10/16/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use Normal (Web) style for some of the content I write for a specific
> publisher. It isn't listed in the Style control's list by default. That
> means, I have to open the Style pane to add it. This is getting old. How can
> I add a style to the Style control's list, permanently?
>
> Susan Harkins
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 16 11:28:02 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:28:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
In-Reply-To: <004701c81005$52bf5190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <617CAD1919A445D39E0EB55C668787B5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Susan:

Are you talking about web style like CSS scripts?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:55 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control

I use Normal (Web) style for some of the content I write for a specific
publisher. It isn't listed in the Style control's list by default. That
means, I have to open the Style pane to add it. This is getting old. How can
I add a style to the Style control's list, permanently? 

Susan Harkins
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:30:18 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:30:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
References: <617CAD1919A445D39E0EB55C668787B5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c81011$dc9b41b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I don't know -- Normal (web) -- no how that applies to anything else, 
I don't know. It's available as a pre-defined default, but you have to apply 
it once before it shows up in the Style control. I'm thinking that a 
template would be easier than anything else -- just pull up the template 
with the style already set and be done with it.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan:
>
> Are you talking about web style like CSS scripts?
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 16 13:01:00 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:01:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
In-Reply-To: <011f01c81011$dc9b41b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A901BD7F032F4E5C9A9E92D7436AC475@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Susan:

The 'template' is really just a set of CSS styling files. You can set up a
web site to switch from one style/file to another and the results can be
very dramatic with no changes in the actual code. If this is what you mean
here is a site with a group of examples: http://www.csszengarden.com/

Is this what you mean? What program are you using to create this web
interface?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control

Well, I don't know -- Normal (web) -- no how that applies to anything else, 
I don't know. It's available as a pre-defined default, but you have to apply

it once before it shows up in the Style control. I'm thinking that a 
template would be easier than anything else -- just pull up the template 
with the style already set and be done with it.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan:
>
> Are you talking about web style like CSS scripts?
>

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:20:51 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:20:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
References: <A901BD7F032F4E5C9A9E92D7436AC475@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c81021$4a943050$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

No. I write content for a lot of publishers. I always use Word and some of 
them require me to format the content. One only requires that I use Word's 
Normal (Web) style. Every I write for them, I have to open the Style and 
Format pane to access Normal (Web) because it's not in the Style control (on 
the toolbar) by default. It's a small nuisance, but one I can do without 
just the same.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan:
>
> The 'template' is really just a set of CSS styling files. You can set up a
> web site to switch from one style/file to another and the results can be
> very dramatic with no changes in the actual code. If this is what you mean
> here is a site with a group of examples: http://www.csszengarden.com/
>
> Is this what you mean? What program are you using to create this web
> interface?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:30 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
>
> Well, I don't know -- Normal (web) -- no how that applies to anything 
> else,
> I don't know. It's available as a pre-defined default, but you have to 
> apply
>
> it once before it shows up in the Style control. I'm thinking that a
> template would be easier than anything else -- just pull up the template
> with the style already set and be done with it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Hi Susan:
>>
>> Are you talking about web style like CSS scripts?
>>
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:46:07 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:46:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
In-Reply-To: <001f01c81021$4a943050$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A901BD7F032F4E5C9A9E92D7436AC475@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001f01c81021$4a943050$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710161146k7083009k16ccc0b53be7930b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/16/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> No. I write content for a lot of publishers. I always use Word and some of
> them require me to format the content. One only requires that I use Word's
> Normal (Web) style. Every I write for them, I have to open the Style and
> Format pane to access Normal (Web) because it's not in the Style control (on
> the toolbar) by default. It's a small nuisance, but one I can do without
> just the same.

Just type Normal (web) in the combo on the Formatting toolbar and it
should format the text that style, and then it will be available in
the drop down.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:51:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:51:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
References: <A901BD7F032F4E5C9A9E92D7436AC475@creativesystemdesigns.com><001f01c81021$4a943050$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<e04a6c920710161146k7083009k16ccc0b53be7930b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c8102a$ae2c5170$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Marvelous! ;) I had no idea you could do that -- tried it and it worked 
fine.

Susan H.
>
> Just type Normal (web) in the combo on the Formatting toolbar and it
> should format the text that style, and then it will be available in
> the drop down.
>



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 14:58:48 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:58:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add style to the Style control
In-Reply-To: <00af01c8102a$ae2c5170$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A901BD7F032F4E5C9A9E92D7436AC475@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001f01c81021$4a943050$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<e04a6c920710161146k7083009k16ccc0b53be7930b@mail.gmail.com>
	<00af01c8102a$ae2c5170$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710161258g29836f3ew31f18c7b1c43b28e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/16/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Marvelous! ;) I had no idea you could do that -- tried it and it worked
> fine.

I'll let you in on a little secret.... Sssshhhhhh Don't tell anyone though....

I didn't either, I just tried it to see if I could understand your
question and lo and behold there was the solution :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:50:59 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:50:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm reading a book called "The Trouble with Physics", by Lee Smolin (no
relation to our esteemed Rocky -- I already checked with him). A thumbnail
sketch is that string theory is all wrong. I won't give away much more of
the plot than that. I will confess to having been attracted to string theory
at its outset, but Lee makes some absolutely wonderful points that concern
verifiability, new vistas emergent from said conjecture, and so on. I'm only
halfway through the book but so far I think his arguments are convincing.
String theory has not opened a single doorway, while it has consumed
millions of dollars in grants. It sounded good at the time.

A.


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 20:02:29 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics
References: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c81059$7996d140$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

And...you're reading this on purpose, or is someone punishing you????? ;)

Susan H.


> I'm reading a book called "The Trouble with Physics", by Lee Smolin (no
> relation to our esteemed Rocky -- I already checked with him). A thumbnail
> sketch is that string theory is all wrong. I won't give away much more of
> the plot than that. I will confess to having been attracted to string 
> theory
> at its outset, but Lee makes some absolutely wonderful points that concern
> verifiability, new vistas emergent from said conjecture, and so on. I'm 
> only
> halfway through the book but so far I think his arguments are convincing.
> String theory has not opened a single doorway, while it has consumed
> millions of dollars in grants. It sounded good at the time.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 20:13:27 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:13:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics
In-Reply-To: <002401c81059$7996d140$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c81059$7996d140$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161813rfc594e6kd84c9db45a0274ac@mail.gmail.com>

On purpose. I realize this might not be everyone's cuppa tea, but physics
has always fascinated me.

On 10/16/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And...you're reading this on purpose, or is someone punishing you????? ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Oct 16 20:16:18 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:16:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics
References: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c81059$7996d140$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <029401c8105b$52fd4ee0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Could be that he is. How bout this, Arthur?

"The new inflationary model was a good attempt to explain why the
universe is the way it is...In my personal opinion, the new inflationary
model is now dead as a scientific theory, although a lot of people do
not seem to have not heard of its demise and are still writing papers
on it as if it were viable."

Stephen W. Hawking, 'A Brief History of Time'


Mike Mattys

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics


> And...you're reading this on purpose, or is someone punishing you????? ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> I'm reading a book called "The Trouble with Physics", by Lee Smolin (no
>> relation to our esteemed Rocky -- I already checked with him). A 
>> thumbnail
>> sketch is that string theory is all wrong. I won't give away much more of
>> the plot than that. I will confess to having been attracted to string
>> theory
>> at its outset, but Lee makes some absolutely wonderful points that 
>> concern
>> verifiability, new vistas emergent from said conjecture, and so on. I'm
>> only
>> halfway through the book but so far I think his arguments are convincing.
>> String theory has not opened a single doorway, while it has consumed
>> millions of dollars in grants. It sounded good at the time.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 20:30:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Physics
In-Reply-To: <029401c8105b$52fd4ee0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
References: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c81059$7996d140$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<029401c8105b$52fd4ee0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161830w5208fb68o1ce6f20db2c238f9@mail.gmail.com>

I read him too. I guess it's a disease. And Dennett, and Searle (not that he
qualifies as a physicist, but it's related), and best of all, Steven Pinker
(not that he's a physicist either, but he can think).

On 10/16/07, Michael R Mattys <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Could be that he is. How bout this, Arthur?
>
> "The new inflationary model was a good attempt to explain why the
> universe is the way it is...In my personal opinion, the new inflationary
> model is now dead as a scientific theory, although a lot of people do
> not seem to have not heard of its demise and are still writing papers
> on it as if it were viable."
>
> Stephen W. Hawking, 'A Brief History of Time'
>
>
> Mike Mattys
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 17 06:49:38 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:49:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
Message-ID: <4715F6D2.8000402@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to 
include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a 
link to it:
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847ea01b8

She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN 
stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I 
have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.  
Anyone on the list know how?

Thanks for any help or insight.

Tina


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 17 06:58:08 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:58:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] [SPAM]  OT: Physics
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710161450w5bb55bfeybd389334147ee2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4715F8D0.3020502@torchlake.com>

Arthur,

Fascinating.  After January, when with any luck at all I finish this 
master's degree program, and I get back to selecting my own books to 
read, I will get a copy.  My dad will also be interested.  Thanks for 
passing along this tidbit.

I've been attracted to string theory, too, although I don't have to get 
too deep into it before I start to lose my way.  The point that it has 
not opened a single doorway seems significant.  Hmm - well back to the 
books assigned.  I'll get to the Smolin book as soon as I can.

Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm reading a book called "The Trouble with Physics", by Lee Smolin (no
> relation to our esteemed Rocky -- I already checked with him). A thumbnail
> sketch is that string theory is all wrong. I won't give away much more of
> the plot than that. I will confess to having been attracted to string theory
> at its outset, but Lee makes some absolutely wonderful points that concern
> verifiability, new vistas emergent from said conjecture, and so on. I'm only
> halfway through the book but so far I think his arguments are convincing.
> String theory has not opened a single doorway, while it has consumed
> millions of dollars in grants. It sounded good at the time.
>
> A.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 07:09:30 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:09:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
References: <4715F6D2.8000402@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <004201c810ba$cf5deda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If she can download the file to her system, and she's running Windows, she 
can use Microsoft Movie Maker to clips the ends. It takes a bit of practice 
to get it just right.

Susan H.
>
> A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to
> include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a
> link to it:
> http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847ea01b8
>
> She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN
> stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I
> have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.
> Anyone on the list know how?



From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Wed Oct 17 07:42:15 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:42:15 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
References: <09D70D4F0CBA4B73A494D3B0DC95ECC3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002801c810bb$25cb2c20$1800a8c0@s1800>

thanks, Jim
yes, I found 2 yellow marks in the device manager:

one refers to the JVC Video tape controller that I use to digitize the DV 
tapes.
this one goes away when I turn the JVC off, and since the device works all 
ok, I did nothing about that.

the other was SCSI host controller, which was there in addition to the two 
individual
Adaptec AIC 7902 Ultra320 SCSI

tried to update the driver for the SCSI host controller - no luck, so I 
uninstalled it, and so far I dont see any need to reinstall it.
so why was it there at all?

anyway, no yellow marks now in the device manager. Will have to wait and see 
whether that fixed the problem.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> Hi Lembit:
>
> It appears that the god of computers is shining on you. Have you checked
> Start > My Computer > right-mouse-click > properties > Hardware tab > 
> Device
> Manager Button and then check to see if all hardware devices are 
> recognized.
> The ones that are not, you can have their drivers updated or if they are 
> not
> present on the current machine they will have to be removed from the BIOS
> listing. (Reboot > F2 or Del > advanced setting.... but this very machine
> dependant.)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:43 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), 
> checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when 
> it
>
> didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????
>
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
>> temporarily working:
>>
>> this PC has:
>> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
>> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
>> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
>> 4 - DVD burner
>> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
>> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate 
>> outputs
>> for drives (1-5 above)
>>
>> What I did so far:
>> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
>> result: works ok
>>
>> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
>> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>>
>> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
>> all 5 together max 465 W
>> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>>
>> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>>
>>
>>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>>> I have the original disc intact
>>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it
>>> running.
>>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>>> running them as slave).
>>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>>
>>> Operating System not found
>>>
>>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>>> and
>>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>>
>>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the 
>>> System
>>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Lembit
>>>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 17 09:10:53 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
In-Reply-To: <4715F6D2.8000402@torchlake.com>
References: <4715F6D2.8000402@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00d201c810c7$87abd1e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

There are quite a few free downloads that can capture flash videos. Google
"flash save" and you will get a whole list of them. I can't point you to a
specific one since none of the ones I've tried work well. Its a crap shoot
when trying free software and I was rolling bad on this. Since I had no
specific need for it I just try as I have time. Please let us know if you
find a good method.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:50 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?

Hi All,

A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to include a
small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a link to it:
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847
ea01b8

She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN stuff
and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I have not
found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.  
Anyone on the list know how?

Thanks for any help or insight.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:41:20 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:41:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
Message-ID: <002001c810dc$8f2e60d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Does anyone know where Office stores the icons that are available when adding custom buttons and menus to an application? Ran a search and I'm showing plenty of icons, but not a cache of icons as I expected to find in a MS program data folder. 

Susan H. 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 17 12:02:04 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:02:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
In-Reply-To: <4715F6D2.8000402@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <D811C2B5EAF3410E98C6E7317CEF009A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Have you looked at this program:
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3393179

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:50 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?

Hi All,

A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to 
include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a 
link to it:
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847
ea01b8

She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN 
stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I 
have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.  
Anyone on the list know how?

Thanks for any help or insight.

Tina
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 17 12:09:09 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:09:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
In-Reply-To: <002801c810bb$25cb2c20$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <5D1396B654B34283B572FAB6B468A63B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Lembit:

A lot of the newer mother boards have SCSII or SATA drive raid controller
built in and the only way to permanently remove these features from popping
up again next time you run a hardware scan is to disable them at the BIOS
level. They can always be turned on again if required.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found

thanks, Jim
yes, I found 2 yellow marks in the device manager:

one refers to the JVC Video tape controller that I use to digitize the DV 
tapes.
this one goes away when I turn the JVC off, and since the device works all 
ok, I did nothing about that.

the other was SCSI host controller, which was there in addition to the two 
individual
Adaptec AIC 7902 Ultra320 SCSI

tried to update the driver for the SCSI host controller - no luck, so I 
uninstalled it, and so far I dont see any need to reinstall it.
so why was it there at all?

anyway, no yellow marks now in the device manager. Will have to wait and see

whether that fixed the problem.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found


> Hi Lembit:
>
> It appears that the god of computers is shining on you. Have you checked
> Start > My Computer > right-mouse-click > properties > Hardware tab > 
> Device
> Manager Button and then check to see if all hardware devices are 
> recognized.
> The ones that are not, you can have their drivers updated or if they are 
> not
> present on the current machine they will have to be removed from the BIOS
> listing. (Reboot > F2 or Del > advanced setting.... but this very machine
> dependant.)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:43 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
> ok, now dont tell me computers have no soul or life of their own or an own
> will ;)
>
> exchanged the power cables back, and it is working fine still.
> so explain this:
> - the PC works ok yesterday till afternoon
> - then all of a sudden, it wont start (Operating system not found), 
> checked
> it with 3 different HDs that all work.
> on all of these Acronis can see the disk and the directories on it.
> this morning again the same.
> - disconnect 1 pair of HDs and it works
> - exchange power connections and reconnect the HDs - still works
> - reexchange power connections, so its the same wiring and everything as
> yesterday afternoon and this morning,
> and the system still works fine. nothing is different from yesterday when 
> it
>
> didnt work.
>
> and now, how do I find the problem????
>
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>
>
>> got it back up, but I question whether this is the solution or just
>> temporarily working:
>>
>> this PC has:
>> 1 - one system drive = C: (IDE) - now replaced with a 300GB seagate
>> 2 - two SCSI drives in a dynamic stripset =R:
>> 3 - two SATA drives on an expansion board S:
>> 4 - DVD burner
>> 5 - Grapic card Saphire Radeon X1950 Pro
>> - Power supply Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (670 W, 720 W peak) - 5 separate 
>> outputs
>> for drives (1-5 above)
>>
>> What I did so far:
>> disconnect power for the SCSI drives
>> result: works ok
>>
>> now I exchanged the power connections of R: and S:
>> works ok and I am presently running Check on R:
>>
>> The 5 +12V-outputs are speced 16A each, 5V is 30A
>> all 5 together max 465 W
>> assuming 2A per HD, this is roughly half the max allowance.
>>
>> so, I'm a bit puzzled now, what else could be wrong??????????
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lembit Soobik" <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating System not found
>>
>>
>>>I am replacing the system disk in one PC with a larger one.
>>> I have the original disc intact
>>> and I have installed the system on two other disks now and had it
>>> running.
>>> (made an image of the original disk and restored it to the new disks by
>>> running them as slave).
>>> Now all of the sudden I get
>>>
>>> Operating System not found
>>>
>>> when I try to start it with either one of these disks.
>>> when I try to run the PC, I have now only one disk as master connected,
>>> and
>>> yes the power cable is alse connected and the disk is spinning.
>>>
>>> Now I started the PC from an Arconis disk, and there I can see the 
>>> System
>>> disk with all the data on it, so it cannot be the cable.
>>> What else can suddenly fail such that I get this error?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Lembit
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1069 - Release Date:
>>> 13.10.2007 19:26
>>>
>>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 14:35:31 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:35:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] This Just In
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710171235t65666b4ey282303b4bbf7afb9@mail.gmail.com>

If you're not in the drug trade or the sex trade or the motorcycle-parts
resell trade, your chances of murder are minuscule.

So stick to programming, my children.

A.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct 17 18:35:52 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:35:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - This Just In
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710171235t65666b4ey282303b4bbf7afb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710171235t65666b4ey282303b4bbf7afb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c81116$752a7a90$0200a8c0@danwaters>

The motorcycle-parts resell trade?

What's up with that?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] This Just In

If you're not in the drug trade or the sex trade or the motorcycle-parts
resell trade, your chances of murder are minuscule.

So stick to programming, my children.

A.
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 17 20:26:08 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:26:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
In-Reply-To: <D811C2B5EAF3410E98C6E7317CEF009A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <D811C2B5EAF3410E98C6E7317CEF009A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4716B630.9000003@torchlake.com>

Hi again,

Jim, Susan, and John, thanks - but I'm still stumped.  Here's what I've 
found so far:  the little theater box that plays the video on msn is 
itself soapbox1_1.swf, but it takes a content parameter that identifies 
the video, like this: vid=3D369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847ea01b8.  So, 
each of the tools I have found for capturing a flash video, captures the 
little theater box, but not the content of the moment.

If I could just find exactly where the little monster is being stashed, 
maybe I could snag it.

I've studied the source HTML for the page until my eyes are crossed, and 
haven't figured it out.

Any more ideas?

Tina

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Have you looked at this program:
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3393179
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:50 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
>
> Hi All,
>
> A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to 
> include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a 
> link to it:
> http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847
> ea01b8
>
> She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN 
> stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I 
> have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.  
> Anyone on the list know how?
>
> Thanks for any help or insight.
>
> Tina
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
>   


From Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 17 22:12:30 2007
From: Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:12:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
In-Reply-To: <002001c810dc$8f2e60d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:41, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Does anyone know where Office stores the icons that are available when
> adding custom buttons and menus to an application? Ran a search and
> I'm showing plenty of icons, but not a cache of icons as I expected to
> find in a MS program data folder. 

Third time this has come up this year between the Access and Tech lists.
They are stored as resources in the relevant executable file MSACCESS.EXE,
WINWORD.EXE and EXCEL.EXE.

You need something like ResThief to extract them
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm

-- 
Stuart


From Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 17 22:12:30 2007
From: Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:12:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
In-Reply-To: <002001c810dc$8f2e60d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:41, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Does anyone know where Office stores the icons that are available when
> adding custom buttons and menus to an application? Ran a search and
> I'm showing plenty of icons, but not a cache of icons as I expected to
> find in a MS program data folder. 

Third time this has come up this year between the Access and Tech lists.
They are stored as resources in the relevant executable file MSACCESS.EXE,
WINWORD.EXE and EXCEL.EXE.

You need something like ResThief to extract them
http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm

-- 
Stuart


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 18 07:26:44 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:26:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
In-Reply-To: <4716B630.9000003@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <34CD9A4AB1824666A652F67D1981803F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

The Flash file is being stored in your email history folder and when you
have just finished viewing it it will be the last record there. Usually a
strange numbered thing. I use the Softhink SWF Decompiler at
http://www.sothink.com/ which costs about $80, runs as a browser plug-in and
can strip anything out of a flash file.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?

Hi again,

Jim, Susan, and John, thanks - but I'm still stumped.  Here's what I've 
found so far:  the little theater box that plays the video on msn is 
itself soapbox1_1.swf, but it takes a content parameter that identifies 
the video, like this: vid=3D369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847ea01b8.  So, 
each of the tools I have found for capturing a flash video, captures the 
little theater box, but not the content of the moment.

If I could just find exactly where the little monster is being stashed, 
maybe I could snag it.

I've studied the source HTML for the page until my eyes are crossed, and 
haven't figured it out.

Any more ideas?

Tina

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Have you looked at this program:
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3393179
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:50 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
>
> Hi All,
>
> A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to 
> include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is a 
> link to it:
>
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847
> ea01b8
>
> She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN 
> stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  I 
> have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.  
> Anyone on the list know how?
>
> Thanks for any help or insight.
>
> Tina
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
>   
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 07:46:51 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:46:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
References: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If I want to use an icon for a custom command button in Access, where would 
I store it so that Access sees it? The Office applications make several 
icons available via the Change Button Image property in Customize mode. Can 
you add one to that bunch?  I know you can create one, kind of, in the icon 
builder, but that's not what I need.

Susan H.


> On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:41, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know where Office stores the icons that are available when
>> adding custom buttons and menus to an application? Ran a search and
>> I'm showing plenty of icons, but not a cache of icons as I expected to
>> find in a MS program data folder.
>
> Third time this has come up this year between the Access and Tech lists.
> They are stored as resources in the relevant executable file MSACCESS.EXE,
> WINWORD.EXE and EXCEL.EXE.
>
> You need something like ResThief to extract them
> http://users.pandora.be/liontech/Downloads.htm
>
> -- 
> Stuart
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 10:04:46 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:04:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discussion/explanation of security bulletins from MS
Message-ID: <020201c81198$3a7cd5a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I get the security and download bulletins from MS. I try to read them, but they make no sense to me whatsoever. Perhaps a discussion here might help shed some light on what I'm supposed to get from these bulletins? I don't even know what questions to ask. Every item seems to deal with some technology I've never even heard of, so it's hard to determine if it's something I really need to bother with -- as yet, I've not done a thing based on anything I've read in one of those bulletins. I'm sure I misunderstand the bulletin's purpose. 

Susan H. 

From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 18 10:21:33 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:21:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
In-Reply-To: <001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <010b01c8119a$90e483f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Susan,
Just to be clear on this issue, here is what I think you are asking: you
create a command button and then use an image file in .bmp or .ico format
from the file system, let's say "C:\MyImage.bmp". You click browse to select
"C:\MyImage.bmp" as the image for the command button. The image is cached
(it is stored) in the command button's PictureData property. The command
button's Picture property stores the original path to "C:\MyImage.bmp".
However, whether you delete or change "C:\MyImage.bmp" is now irrelevant to
the operation of the command button unless you reference the Picture
property.

If you want to use the same image that an icon has you would reference it as
"cmdButton.PictureData".

If you want to use the same image that an icon originally referred to you
would reference it as "cmdButton.Picture".

By doing the former you can refer to one cached image for any number of
command buttons, say on the form's OnOpen event or something such as that.
However the command buttons would all retain their original images if viewed
in design mode.

By doing the latter you can store an image file with an application and
change the image at runtime without editing anything in the application. But
alas, it has it dangerous side too, anyone can change the image on file and
name it the same thing as the original and that is what will show in your
icons if you reference "cmdButton.Picture"

Note: you can reference the PictureData property if you've used Access's
built-in bitmaps but if you reference the Picture property it will return an
error as it does not store the access image reference #.

HTH
John B.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 18 10:26:05 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:26:05 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discussion/explanation of security bulletins	from MS
Message-ID: <s7179740.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

I can tell you that not even my colleague dealing with this stuff reads these bulletins.
Why are you hurting yourself this way? 

This is more fun (Friday is close):

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/trainsimulator2/index.html 

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 18-10-2007 17:04 >>>
I get the security and download bulletins from MS. I try to read them, but they make no sense to me whatsoever. Perhaps a discussion here might help shed some light on what I'm supposed to get from these bulletins? I don't even know what questions to ask. Every item seems to deal with some technology I've never even heard of, so it's hard to determine if it's something I really need to bother with -- as yet, I've not done a thing based on anything I've read in one of those bulletins. I'm sure I misunderstand the bulletin's purpose. 

Susan H. 




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 18 10:23:57 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:23:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discussion/explanation of security bulletins from MS
In-Reply-To: <020201c81198$3a7cd5a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <020201c81198$3a7cd5a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <010c01c8119a$fd7506c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

If you want to know about MS product issues try: 
http://kbalertz.com/Default.aspx




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 18 11:51:14 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:51:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
In-Reply-To: <34CD9A4AB1824666A652F67D1981803F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4716B630.9000003@torchlake.com>
	<34CD9A4AB1824666A652F67D1981803F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <012b01c811a7$193e40e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Jim,
This Firefox plugin actually seems to work quite well with many
sites-thanks!

However, I was unable to get it to work with the MSN site that Tina posted.
I was also unable to get to the IE plugin. 

Are you able to?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:27 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?

Hi Tina:

The Flash file is being stored in your email history folder and when you
have just finished viewing it it will be the last record there. Usually a
strange numbered thing. I use the Softhink SWF Decompiler at
http://www.sothink.com/ which costs about $80, runs as a browser plug-in and
can strip anything out of a flash file.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?

Hi again,

Jim, Susan, and John, thanks - but I'm still stumped.  Here's what I've
found so far:  the little theater box that plays the video on msn is itself
soapbox1_1.swf, but it takes a content parameter that identifies the video,
like this: vid=3D369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847ea01b8.  So, each of the
tools I have found for capturing a flash video, captures the little theater
box, but not the content of the moment.

If I could just find exactly where the little monster is being stashed,
maybe I could snag it.

I've studied the source HTML for the page until my eyes are crossed, and
haven't figured it out.

Any more ideas?

Tina

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Have you looked at this program:
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=339317
> 9
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:50 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Snag a flash video?
>
> Hi All,
>
> A friend of mine is making a PowerPoint presentation and wants to 
> include a small video of Coach K.  The video is found on MSN - here is 
> a link to it:
>
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=369e8b9c-e639-45f2-a400-3bb847
> ea01b8
>
> She wants to capture just the Coach K video and not have all the MSN 
> stuff and advertising and extraneous things - just the Coach K clip.  
> I have not found a way to pull that clip down into my computer as a file.
> Anyone on the list know how?
>
> Thanks for any help or insight.
>
> Tina
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 15:38:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:38:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discussion/explanation of security bulletins	from MS
References: <s7179740.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006501c811c8$102bdaa0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm glad it isn't just me. :)

Susan H.

> Hi Susan
>
> I can tell you that not even my colleague dealing with this stuff reads 
> these bulletins.
> Why are you hurting yourself this way?
>
> This is more fun (Friday is close):
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/trainsimulator2/index.html
>



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 08:43:18 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:43:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook code
Message-ID: <011b01c81256$0dd242b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The f ollowing code was used in an example that showed how to add command buttons to an Outlook toolbar. This procedure returns the number of items in the selected folder, using PickFolder. A reader is getting an error at   



& objFolder.Name _



Seems to have the right libraries referenced, and I'm clueless. Anyone had trouble with PickFolder -- I'm not convinced that's even the problem though. He sent a picture of the error, and I don't think there are any typos or anything -- he copied it straight from the article. Had other comments from readers saying it worked great, so I think this is something on his system. 



Outlook is hosed on my system, so I can't even play with it right now.  



Susan H. 



Sub GetItemCount()

  'Return the number of messages in selected folder.

  'The resulting count doesn't include subfolders.

  Dim ns As Outlook.NameSpace

  Dim objFolder As Outlook.MAPIFolder

  Dim intCount As Integer

  Dim strMessage As String

  Set ns = GetNamespace("MAPI")

  Set objFolder = ns.PickFolder

  intCount = objFolder.Items.Count

  strMessage = "The folder " _

   & objFolder.Name _

   & " has " _

   & intCount _

   & " item(s)."

  Debug.Print strMessage

  MsgBox strMessage, vbOKOnly, "Information"

End Sub


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:40:26 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:40:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] DB2 anyone?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190940o3b9a878fr27df20f017a2eb7c@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody know this product? I have a bunch of text files that I need to
import, and there's no obvious way to do it. I'm still looking at the help
files but this beast is considerably different than MS-SQL and Oracle and
MySQL.

TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 15:38:31 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:38:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
References: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<010b01c8119a$90e483f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <041001c81290$057a7080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> Susan,
> Just to be clear on this issue, here is what I think you are asking: you
> create a command button and then use an image file in .bmp or .ico format
> from the file system, let's say "C:\MyImage.bmp". You click browse to
> select
> "C:\MyImage.bmp" as the image for the command button.

========I'm missing this -- when you right-click the custom button, I see
several options,  Edit Button opens the Button Editor - no browse option
there. If I choose Change Button Image I see several icon faces, but no
browse.

I see where we're getting lost -- you're talking about a command button on a 
form -- I'm talking about a custom button on a command bar.

Susan H.



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 19 16:19:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:19:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
In-Reply-To: <041001c81290$057a7080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne><010b01c8119a$90e483f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<041001c81290$057a7080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006f01c81295$c79818c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Sorry about the confusion - I'd have to check into the command bars buttons
but I would think they would be essentially the same as the built in command
button icons. You can't get a reference to their locations because they're
stored internally. I have created custom graphics for command bar icons but
I'm not remembering how I did it right now. It'll come to me in the middle
of the night though so I'll let you know the day after ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins

I see where we're getting lost -- you're talking about a command button on a
form -- I'm talking about a custom button on a command bar.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 16:26:32 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:26:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] built-in icons
References: <47175BBE.12266.138423B@Stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01c81184$fa07f580$4b3a8343@SusanOne><010b01c8119a$90e483f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><041001c81290$057a7080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<006f01c81295$c79818c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <043f01c81296$ba06c7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

It'll come to me in the middle
> of the night though so I'll let you know the day after ;o)

========I'm a patient person. ;) 

Susan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 20 15:56:51 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:56:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with Vista
In-Reply-To: <011b01c81256$0dd242b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C0BCDBD5D5A4450F990716945100CE38@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi folks:

I have been having some odd events related around bulk/backup file copying
in Vista and on my Server2003 but assumed that it was something I was doing
wrong or that there was some bad program running on the system. In most
causes the problems could be resolved with just another reboot. Then a
friend sent me this link: 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=829

There seems to be a correlation between a bulk copy and a subsequent system
slow-downs. Has anyone else been having similar issues and have not been
able to put their finger on the cause?

Jim



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 05:10:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:10:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
Message-ID: <s71de4db.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you notice that a new language has been added to Visual Studio?
It's called F# and is based on OCaml which I've never heard of:

http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/fsharp.aspx 

A blog exists:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2007/10/17/s-somasegar-on-taking-f-forward.aspx 

with much info - like this example which deals with the handling of events:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2006/03/24/559582.aspx

/gustav




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 23 11:59:38 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:59:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
In-Reply-To: <s71de4db.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s71de4db.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01c301c81596$197e1470$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Gustav,
I never heard of it either. Is this # symbol another marketing trend for MS?
I hope not. 

John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET

Hi all

Did you notice that a new language has been added to Visual Studio?
It's called F# and is based on OCaml which I've never heard of:




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 12:07:24 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:07:24 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
Message-ID: <s71e4693.095@cactus.dk>

Hi John B

I strongly believe it is.

/gustav

>>> john at winhaven.net 23-10-2007 18:59:38 >>>

> .. Is this # symbol another marketing trend for MS? ..





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 08:38:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:38:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

This is the second time this has happened to me -- I can't open a Word file. The error message gives me some information, but nothing that's particularly helpful. I've recovered it using a text editor, but only the text -- which is better than nothing, but it's a manuscript and it'll take me a while to reformat it. 

My question is this -- the power went off while I was working. There's no AutoRecovery file for it in that folder. I'm wondering if the file is locked somehow. The Properties don't show it as Read-Only now or anything like that. If it's locked, can I open it? 

Susan H. 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 09:02:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:02:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
In-Reply-To: <s71de4db.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s71de4db.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006e01c8170f$ae55dc70$697aa8c0@M90>

And did you read these things.  New syntax I guess! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET

Hi all

Did you notice that a new language has been added to Visual Studio?
It's called F# and is based on OCaml which I've never heard of:

http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/fsharp.aspx 

A blog exists:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2007/10/17/s-somasegar-on-taking-f-forwa
rd.aspx 

with much info - like this example which deals with the handling of events:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2006/03/24/559582.aspx

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 25 09:14:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:14:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
Message-ID: <s720c0e6.056@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Nope. I browsed it, and the syntax doesn't seem too weird.
But I guess it is one of those things you don't have a need for if don't know about it(!)

Also, I didn't find an Express or Basic version, and evaluation versions always time out too soon for me.
Neither doesn't it look fun, so what is left? 

What is fun, you may ask? Prolog is fun, and I would love to see a Prolog for .Net.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 25-10-2007 16:02 >>>
And did you read these things.  New syntax I guess! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET

Hi all

Did you notice that a new language has been added to Visual Studio?
It's called F# and is based on OCaml which I've never heard of:

http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/fsharp.aspx 

A blog exists:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2007/10/17/s-somasegar-on-taking-f-forwa 
rd.aspx 

with much info - like this example which deals with the handling of events:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2006/03/24/559582.aspx 

/gustav




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 09:13:54 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:13:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <008201c81711$470e46e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Susan,
I have 3 words for that problem:
Uninteruptable Power Supply
I pretty much require my clients to use them as the power around here is not
so steady. All the surges and brown outs are hard on the little circuits
(and data).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:39 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

This is the second time this has happened to me -- I can't open a Word file.
The error message gives me some information, but nothing that's particularly
helpful. I've recovered it using a text editor, but only the text -- which
is better than nothing, but it's a manuscript and it'll take me a while to
reformat it. 

My question is this -- the power went off while I was working. There's no
AutoRecovery file for it in that folder. I'm wondering if the file is locked
somehow. The Properties don't show it as Read-Only now or anything like
that. If it's locked, can I open it? 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 10:03:44 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:03:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
References: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008201c81711$470e46e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <003c01c81718$3e456b90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> I have 3 words for that problem:
> Uninteruptable Power Supply
> I pretty much require my clients to use them as the power around here is 
> not
> so steady. All the surges and brown outs are hard on the little circuits
> (and data).

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start 
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.

Susan H. 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 10:06:54 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:06:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710250806m15929753t20ad5fa5242211e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the second time this has happened to me -- I can't open a Word file. The error message gives me some information, but nothing that's particularly helpful. I've recovered it using a text editor, but only the text -- which is better than nothing, but it's a manuscript and it'll take me a while to reformat it.

Try opening it in OpenOffice, the free Office productivity suite
(http://openoffice.org). It maybe able to open the corrupt file. I
know it has helped me in the past.

If you don't want to download and install it, feel free to send me the
doc, I'll see if I can open it in OOo and send you back a good file,
if I can get it.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:08:55 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:08:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET
In-Reply-To: <s720c0e6.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s720c0e6.056@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008d01c81718$f6ab8930$697aa8c0@M90>

I did prolog (for fun) back in the 80s - by Borland.  Never had the time to
get good at it, nor anyone actually asking for it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:14 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET

Hi John

Nope. I browsed it, and the syntax doesn't seem too weird.
But I guess it is one of those things you don't have a need for if don't
know about it(!)

Also, I didn't find an Express or Basic version, and evaluation versions
always time out too soon for me.
Neither doesn't it look fun, so what is left? 

What is fun, you may ask? Prolog is fun, and I would love to see a Prolog
for .Net.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 25-10-2007 16:02 >>>
And did you read these things.  New syntax I guess! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# for .NET

Hi all

Did you notice that a new language has been added to Visual Studio?
It's called F# and is based on OCaml which I've never heard of:

http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/fsharp.aspx 

A blog exists:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2007/10/17/s-somasegar-on-taking-f-forwa
rd.aspx 

with much info - like this example which deals with the handling of events:

http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2006/03/24/559582.aspx 

/gustav


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 10:09:14 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:09:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <003c01c81718$3e456b90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <001f01c8170c$701a0920$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008201c81711$470e46e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<003c01c81718$3e456b90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <008901c81719$01cca830$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.




From rustykh at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 11:03:06 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <630631.98067.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.  It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a $30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power
 related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
 Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 25 11:13:55 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:13:55 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <s720dcf1.062@cactus.dk>

Hi Rusty

Or use a pc with built-in UPS:

  pc + UPS = laptop

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 25-10-2007 18:03 >>>
Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.  It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a $30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power  related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
 Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.





From rustykh at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 11:23:37 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] UPS - was Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <547543.86393.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

Gustav,

I agree, but in my situation I'm using them for servers.  Not really a job for a laptop.  I'm guessing too that in Susan's situation she already has a desktop/tower computer and it would be much less expensive to buy the ups than a new laptop.

Rusty

----- Original Message ----
From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:13:55 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


Hi Rusty

Or use a pc with built-in UPS:

  pc + UPS = laptop

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 25-10-2007 18:03 >>>
Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's
 at Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid
 $145 for a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both
 have been for small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put
 to good use several times in the last year as the power where it is
 installed is down quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them,
 the length of time they will provide power at full load is exaggerated
 but for the price they can protect a good amount of equipment long enough
 to shut it down gracefully.  It even comes with a serial and usb cable
 to connect to your computer and a $30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
 <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power
  related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
 Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 11:24:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:24:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <630631.98067.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <630631.98067.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c81723$7ee09200$697aa8c0@M90>

I just bought three 1500 VA 900 W units.  I did actual tests and got around
14 minutes providing voltage for a server with 8 hard disks, dual proc, 4
gigs of ram.  Just the server, no monitor.  I provided each of two servers
their own UPS and then put the monitor on its own UPS.  The monitor is on a
KVM switch.  With that setup I can handle most stuff.  I actually bought an
auto-start propane powered backup generator which powers my office as well
as much of the rest of the house so I probably could have gotten by with
smaller UPS' but why risk it?

According to statistics most outages are for only a few seconds but of those
that last more than that most are for only a few minutes.  14 minutes is
enough to finish most tasks, but my servers run SQL Server and I can tell
you from experience that they do not like to lose power in the middle of
write operations.  I managed to get the database back when it happened but I
had to go find out about (built in to SQL Server) recovery operations on the
data file.  Scary stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power  related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan  Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 11:20:55 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:20:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <630631.98067.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <630631.98067.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c81723$0537db20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I like the Belkin UPSs too. Also the CyberPower brand.

I have an APC RS 1500 with an extra battery pack which runs my office.
Everything is plugged into it. Sometimes that means 6 PCs, a server and a
whole slew of peripherals. Kind of pushing it at that point but that's why I
paid the big money ;o) The normal 2 machines will run quite awhile it the
power goes out and if that's too long it shuts them down very gracefully
before cutting them off. 

...and, so that we don't scare Susan off, you can get a less expensive UPS
from Staples for under $50 that will work fine for a PC. And if she would
get herself a laptop it wouldn't matter at all ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.





From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Thu Oct 25 11:27:47 2007
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:27:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F477@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

I had a small APC ups that I got for under $30 (?15 at the time), reduced from $90. It's lasted for nearly two years, but gave up the ghost the other night. Sometimes it would randomly turn off, sometimes it would start beeping as if there was a problem, and the only way to stop it was to turn everything plugged into it off, turn the power off at the mains, and restart the UPS, which was somewhat annoying, especially that time it did it at 4am...

On Monday night however, it jsut turned off and wouldn't come back on again. I'm going to go and buy another one, but I don't really want to spend a massive amount of money on it if it's going to die in another 2 years...

Any suggestions?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


I like the Belkin UPSs too. Also the CyberPower brand.

I have an APC RS 1500 with an extra battery pack which runs my office.
Everything is plugged into it. Sometimes that means 6 PCs, a server and a
whole slew of peripherals. Kind of pushing it at that point but that's why I
paid the big money ;o) The normal 2 machines will run quite awhile it the
power goes out and if that's too long it shuts them down very gracefully
before cutting them off. 

...and, so that we don't scare Susan off, you can get a less expensive UPS
from Staples for under $50 that will work fine for a PC. And if she would
get herself a laptop it wouldn't matter at all ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 11:32:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:32:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <s720dcf1.062@cactus.dk>
References: <s720dcf1.062@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009e01c81724$a0bb7380$697aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Even that only lasts an hour or two though.  My office is in my home
and I lost power for a full day.  Lost a day's work in the process and even
worse had to admit to the client that I was down and unable to help them.  I
bought a generator that starts when the power goes off.  I am now back up
and running in 25 seconds supposedly, though the propane line has a tiny
leak I think, so it takes about 45 seconds and 4 tries for the autostart to
actually get the generator started.  

Now... will the cable company supply me internet in a major blackout?
Probably not but at least I can tell my client "it isn't me".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Hi Rusty

Or use a pc with built-in UPS:

  pc + UPS = laptop

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 25-10-2007 18:03 >>>
Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power  related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan  Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 25 11:38:20 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:38:20 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <s720e2b2.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

We use both APC and PowerEdge. PowerEdge has a sexy 1U unit in 500/1000/1500VA versions which is really cool if the client has 19" rack mounted servers.
Most UPS'es for server use features replaceable batteries, remote control, web interface etc.

/gustav

>>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 25-10-2007 18:27 >>>
I had a small APC ups that I got for under $30 (?15 at the time), reduced from $90. It's lasted for nearly two years, but gave up the ghost the other night. Sometimes it would randomly turn off, sometimes it would start beeping as if there was a problem, and the only way to stop it was to turn everything plugged into it off, turn the power off at the mains, and restart the UPS, which was somewhat annoying, especially that time it did it at 4am...

On Monday night however, it jsut turned off and wouldn't come back on again. I'm going to go and buy another one, but I don't really want to spend a massive amount of money on it if it's going to die in another 2 years...

Any suggestions?


Jon




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 11:52:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:52:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F477@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F477@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <00a501c81727$7f5290e0$697aa8c0@M90>

One thing to know is that usually the battery goes.  The batteries are often
replaceable, in fact almost always replaceable, although it is too often the
case that the battery costs almost as much as a new UPS.  However they are
all 12V in the end.  You can but small 12v batteries which can be used with
them even if they will not fit in the case correctly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:28 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

I had a small APC ups that I got for under $30 (?15 at the time), reduced
from $90. It's lasted for nearly two years, but gave up the ghost the other
night. Sometimes it would randomly turn off, sometimes it would start
beeping as if there was a problem, and the only way to stop it was to turn
everything plugged into it off, turn the power off at the mains, and restart
the UPS, which was somewhat annoying, especially that time it did it at
4am...

On Monday night however, it jsut turned off and wouldn't come back on again.
I'm going to go and buy another one, but I don't really want to spend a
massive amount of money on it if it's going to die in another 2 years...

Any suggestions?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


I like the Belkin UPSs too. Also the CyberPower brand.

I have an APC RS 1500 with an extra battery pack which runs my office.
Everything is plugged into it. Sometimes that means 6 PCs, a server and a
whole slew of peripherals. Kind of pushing it at that point but that's why I
paid the big money ;o) The normal 2 machines will run quite awhile it the
power goes out and if that's too long it shuts them down very gracefully
before cutting them off. 

...and, so that we don't scare Susan off, you can get a less expensive UPS
from Staples for under $50 that will work fine for a PC. And if she would
get herself a laptop it wouldn't matter at all ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 11:57:12 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:57:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <009e01c81724$a0bb7380$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <s720dcf1.062@cactus.dk> <009e01c81724$a0bb7380$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF75@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Propane generator? That sounds interesting. Which one and how much?
Autostart meaning it comes on automatically when the electricity goes
off? How hard was it to connect to the house?

Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:32 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

LOL.  Even that only lasts an hour or two though.  My office is in my
home
and I lost power for a full day.  Lost a day's work in the process and
even
worse had to admit to the client that I was down and unable to help
them.  I
bought a generator that starts when the power goes off.  I am now back
up
and running in 25 seconds supposedly, though the propane line has a tiny
leak I think, so it takes about 45 seconds and 4 tries for the autostart
to
actually get the generator started.  

Now... will the cable company supply me internet in a major blackout?
Probably not but at least I can tell my client "it isn't me".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Hi Rusty

Or use a pc with built-in UPS:

  pc + UPS = laptop

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 25-10-2007 18:03 >>>
Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145
for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been
for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is
down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time
they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they
can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down
gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer
and a
$30 mail-in rebate.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power
related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.



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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 12:38:58 2007
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
Message-ID: <692224.13662.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

With the exception of the two Belkins for servers, I've always used APC or Tripp-Lite for pc's.  Both brands have always lasted more than 2 years for me (Usually 3-5 years).  You might check to see if it's just the battery that needs replaced in yours (although that might cost close to the price of a new ups).



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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:27:47 AM
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I had a small APC ups that I got for under $30 (?15 at the time),
 reduced from $90. It's lasted for nearly two years, but gave up the ghost
 the other night. Sometimes it would randomly turn off, sometimes it
 would start beeping as if there was a problem, and the only way to stop it
 was to turn everything plugged into it off, turn the power off at the
 mains, and restart the UPS, which was somewhat annoying, especially that
 time it did it at 4am...

On Monday night however, it jsut turned off and wouldn't come back on
 again. I'm going to go and buy another one, but I don't really want to
 spend a massive amount of money on it if it's going to die in another 2
 years...

Any suggestions?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


I like the Belkin UPSs too. Also the CyberPower brand.

I have an APC RS 1500 with an extra battery pack which runs my office.
Everything is plugged into it. Sometimes that means 6 PCs, a server and
 a
whole slew of peripherals. Kind of pushing it at that point but that's
 why I
paid the big money ;o) The normal 2 machines will run quite awhile it
 the
power goes out and if that's too long it shuts them down very
 gracefully
before cutting them off. 

...and, so that we don't scare Susan off, you can get a less expensive
 UPS
from Staples for under $50 that will work fine for a PC. And if she
 would
get herself a laptop it wouldn't matter at all ;o)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
 Hammond
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's
 at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145
 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been
 for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is
 down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time
 they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they
 can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down
 gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer
 and a
$30 mail-in rebate.



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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 12:48:01 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:48:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
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Jon,
Problem with the store front purchases is that it may have a battery that
has been sitting for some time. So your battery probably wore out. The other
thing that can happen is that the surge circuitry gets damaged - but that's
better than the PC getting damaged.

We have a chain called Batteries Plus that will install a new battery for
you at much less than the cost of the manufacturer's replacement battery.
Plus they'll take the old one off your hands (we're required to recycle here
so recycling the batteries is a cost/hassle I don't need). Last one I
replaced in a lower end UPS was $11.

Belkin, CyberPower and a number of other brands sell lower end units for
home use too.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 13:23:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:23:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF75@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <s720dcf1.062@cactus.dk> <009e01c81724$a0bb7380$697aa8c0@M90>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF75@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <00c201c81734$20108170$697aa8c0@M90>

Jim,

The one I got was 16Kw and was about $3750, delivered.  They make smaller
ones but I figured that a lot of the cost was going to be in installation so
make it big enough to allow us to live through an emergency and long term
(several days) outage.  I had to have a plumber do the propane line to it.
The house already has propane ("500 gallon") so even if I am getting low on
propane it can run for several days without worry.  No gas cans to store or
go fill etc.

The generator has a sensor that senses that the electricity went off and
waits for 12 seconds.  If the power stays off after that it starts.  Waits
12 seconds (while the engine warms up and comes up to speed) and then
switches to the generator.  If the power comes back, it waits (12 seconds I
believe) before disconnecting the generator and switching back to the grid,
then waits about 60 seconds to allow the engine to cool off before shutting
down.  It actually starts up once a week and runs at half speed for 15
minutes just to keep the engine running and oiled etc.

These generators are sold in Home Depot and Lowes, different "house brands"
same company, although I don't think they actually have them in stock.
Generac is the company that actually builds them I think.  

http://www.generac.com/Default.aspx

I bought it off the internet (in fact off of EBay) from Ziller Electric.
http://zillerelectric.com  Delivered to my door.  I HIGHLY recommend Ziller,
nice guy, knowledgeable about the generators and just a great experience.

The unit I bought was designed for residential use and comes with an entire
prewired circuit breaker panel.  You hire an electrician to mount the panel,
then pull pairs of wires off of the existing panel and using wire nuts wire
them to the matching size circuit in the new breaker panel.  The generator
breaker panel handles all of the switching of power between the original
panel and the generator panel, driven by signals from a controller
physically located in the generator box.  

It will only handle X circuits of course, X being dependent on the size unit
you buy and which circuits you want to have powered.  I got my office walls
(though not the lights), the water pump from the spring, and most of the
walls and lights for the front of the house including the freezer and refri,
one air conditioner / heat, etc.  So there will be some circuits not powered
but you decide which are the ones most important to your situation.  All
told about $4,300 wired and plumbed, and I can now last for at least a week
24/7 without power from the grid, more if I can get a propane delivery in
that time.  Oh, and the same generator will work off of natural gas if that
is your fuel source, in fact it comes set up to run off of natural gas.  I
had to remove the air cleaner holder from the top of the engine, reach down
and slide a little widget that essentially changes the size of the fuel
delivery tube, then replace the air cleaner assembly in order to make mine
run off of propane.  All in the instruction manual.

The nice thing about having an automatic generator is that once you have
one, you will NEVER have severe enough weather to need it.  Not only that,
my having one protects my entire neighborhood from that severe weather.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


Propane generator? That sounds interesting. Which one and how much?
Autostart meaning it comes on automatically when the electricity goes off?
How hard was it to connect to the house?

Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:32 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

LOL.  Even that only lasts an hour or two though.  My office is in my home
and I lost power for a full day.  Lost a day's work in the process and even
worse had to admit to the client that I was down and unable to help them.  I
bought a generator that starts when the power goes off.  I am now back up
and running in 25 seconds supposedly, though the propane line has a tiny
leak I think, so it takes about 45 seconds and 4 tries for the autostart to
actually get the generator started.  

Now... will the cable company supply me internet in a major blackout?
Probably not but at least I can tell my client "it isn't me".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Hi Rusty

Or use a pc with built-in UPS:

  pc + UPS = laptop

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 25-10-2007 18:03 >>>
Just to add to the UPS discussion.  I've come across the Belkin UPS's at
Buy.com (search for Belkin UPS at buy.com's website).  I just paid $145 for
a 1500va UPS.  This is the second one I've purchased and both have been for
small business servers.  The first one I setup has been put to good use
several times in the last year as the power where it is installed is down
quite a bit.  From the reviews I've read about them, the length of time they
will provide power at full load is exaggerated but for the price they can
protect a good amount of equipment long enough to shut it down gracefully.
It even comes with a serial and usb cable to connect to your computer and a
$30 mail-in rebate.


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From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
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<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file


About 8 years ago I lost 1/2 hours worth of work on a PowerPoint right
before I had to leave for a presentation. I've never had a power related
file problem again - because I went out and bought a UPS ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins

=====Circuit breaker flipped. :( I have the text, so I'll just start
reformatting it. The file was saved, but it was open at the time.



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 13:42:18 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:42:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file
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Very interesting, thanks
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:23 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Word file

Jim,

The one I got was 16Kw and was about $3750, delivered.  They make
smaller
ones but I figured that a lot of the cost was going to be in
installation so
make it big enough to allow us to live through an emergency and long
term
(several days) outage.  I had to have a plumber do the propane line to
it.
The house already has propane ("500 gallon") so even if I am getting low
on
propane it can run for several days without worry.  No gas cans to store
or
go fill etc.

The generator has a sensor that senses that the electricity went off and
waits for 12 seconds.  If the power stays off after that it starts.
Waits
12 seconds (while the engine warms up and comes up to speed) and then
switches to the generator.  If the power comes back, it waits (12
seconds I
believe) before disconnecting the generator and switching back to the
grid,
then waits about 60 seconds to allow the engine to cool off before
shutting
down.  It actually starts up once a week and runs at half speed for 15
minutes just to keep the engine running and oiled etc.

These generators are sold in Home Depot and Lowes, different "house
brands"
same company, although I don't think they actually have them in stock.
Generac is the company that actually builds them I think.  

http://www.generac.com/Default.aspx

I bought it off the internet (in fact off of EBay) from Ziller Electric.
http://zillerelectric.com  Delivered to my door.  I HIGHLY recommend
Ziller,
nice guy, knowledgeable about the generators and just a great
experience.

The unit I bought was designed for residential use and comes with an
entire
prewired circuit breaker panel.  You hire an electrician to mount the
panel,
then pull pairs of wires off of the existing panel and using wire nuts
wire
them to the matching size circuit in the new breaker panel.  The
generator
breaker panel handles all of the switching of power between the original
panel and the generator panel, driven by signals from a controller
physically located in the generator box.  

It will only handle X circuits of course, X being dependent on the size
unit
you buy and which circuits you want to have powered.  I got my office
walls
(though not the lights), the water pump from the spring, and most of the
walls and lights for the front of the house including the freezer and
refri,
one air conditioner / heat, etc.  So there will be some circuits not
powered
but you decide which are the ones most important to your situation.  All
told about $4,300 wired and plumbed, and I can now last for at least a
week
24/7 without power from the grid, more if I can get a propane delivery
in
that time.  Oh, and the same generator will work off of natural gas if
that
is your fuel source, in fact it comes set up to run off of natural gas.
I
had to remove the air cleaner holder from the top of the engine, reach
down
and slide a little widget that essentially changes the size of the fuel
delivery tube, then replace the air cleaner assembly in order to make
mine
run off of propane.  All in the instruction manual.

The nice thing about having an automatic generator is that once you have
one, you will NEVER have severe enough weather to need it.  Not only
that,
my having one protects my entire neighborhood from that severe weather.
;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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