From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 13:45:45 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:45:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Module error in Autoexec Message-ID: <29f585dd0709031145g3be069c4s858198b671fbde34@mail.gmail.com> I have a problem with Word and Excel 2003 and as far as I can figure out, it's in Adobe PDFMaker, which apparently got installed with Reader. I have tried to repair Reader, to no avail. I can't open the PDFMaker module, although I can see it. There doesn't appear to be an obvious way to remove it without removing the entire reader. Any suggestions? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 23:20:43 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:20:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe issues Message-ID: <29f585dd0709052120x7d62ab72g19c2aa5e191a9243@mail.gmail.com> What to do about this Adobe problem? Updating to the latest Reader doesn't make it go away. If I load Word or Excel I get an error in Autoexec. I can't view the code so I can't fix it. I do want to read Adobe files but it irritates me that both Word and Excel now complain about this brilliant add-in that Adobe installed. Anyone got a way out of this annoyance? A. From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 5 23:48:04 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:48:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe issues In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709052120x7d62ab72g19c2aa5e191a9243@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0709052120x7d62ab72g19c2aa5e191a9243@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ac201c7f041$1d858aa0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Arthur, This seems to be an issue with various combinations of Office and Adobe Reader. If you're only looking to read PDF files then you may want to try Foxit free PDF reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php You wouldn't need Adobe Reader then. I've seen solutions to your problem but they generally involve a lot of time - this may be the easier solution. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:21 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe issues What to do about this Adobe problem? Updating to the latest Reader doesn't make it go away. If I load Word or Excel I get an error in Autoexec. I can't view the code so I can't fix it. I do want to read Adobe files but it irritates me that both Word and Excel now complain about this brilliant add-in that Adobe installed. Anyone got a way out of this annoyance? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 00:10:34 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:10:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe issues In-Reply-To: <0ac201c7f041$1d858aa0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <29f585dd0709052120x7d62ab72g19c2aa5e191a9243@mail.gmail.com> <0ac201c7f041$1d858aa0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <29f585dd0709052210i61a8e032m85e5ca8351b4b010@mail.gmail.com> I'll remove Acrobat and try this. If it doesn't work I'll re-install Acrobat. Thanks for the heads-up. A. On 9/6/07, John Bartow wrote: > > Hi Arthur, > This seems to be an issue with various combinations of Office and Adobe > Reader. If you're only looking to read PDF files then you may want to try > Foxit free PDF reader: > http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php > > You wouldn't need Adobe Reader then. > > I've seen solutions to your problem but they generally involve a lot of > time > - this may be the easier solution. > > HTH > John B. > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 08:44:40 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:44:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane Message-ID: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Using Outlook 2003, I'm searching the Deleted folder on the TO folder -- however, I can't seem to add the TO field to the pane, so I still can't find them -- I need to add the TO field to the pane and I can't. I tried Arrange By, Custom, Fields, and added TO, but it still doesn't show. Susan H. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 09:26:29 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:26:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Huh. Works for me. You did Customize Current View and then Added the To field to the list of displayed fields and it didn't actually show up? perhaps you need to move the To column further up on the list? Or resize one of the other columns to make space for it? Maybe you have too many other fields selected already in the view? Try to trade another one out? I'm on an Exchange server though so perhaps that makes my results a little different too. GK On 9/7/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > Using Outlook 2003, I'm searching the Deleted folder on the TO folder -- > however, I can't seem to add the TO field to the pane, so I still can't find > them -- I need to add the TO field to the pane and I can't. I tried Arrange > By, Custom, Fields, and added TO, but it still doesn't show. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 7 09:59:29 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:59:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <025101c7f15f$b25af100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Right click on the gray column titles and choose "Field Chooser" - scroll down until you see "To" - drag it to where you want it in the columns. HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane Using Outlook 2003, I'm searching the Deleted folder on the TO folder -- however, I can't seem to add the TO field to the pane, so I still can't find them -- I need to add the TO field to the pane and I can't. I tried Arrange By, Custom, Fields, and added TO, but it still doesn't show. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 11:09:18 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:09:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <002d01c7f169$74d7ac60$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Gary, that was the problem -- Outlook added it to the far right and it was actually off screen. Susan H. Huh. Works for me. You did Customize Current View and then Added the To field to the list of displayed fields and it didn't actually show up? perhaps you need to move the To column further up on the list? Or resize one of the other columns to make space for it? Maybe you have too many other fields selected already in the view? Try to trade another one out? From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 11:09:18 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:09:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <002f01c7f169$78109040$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I'll play around with it -- I just want to make sure that what I expected was correct. Susan H. Huh. Works for me. You did Customize Current View and then Added the To field to the list of displayed fields and it didn't actually show up? perhaps you need to move the To column further up on the list? Or resize one of the other columns to make space for it? Maybe you have too many other fields selected already in the view? Try to trade another one out? I'm on an Exchange server though so perhaps that makes my results a little different too. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 11:09:18 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:09:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: <025101c7f15f$b25af100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <025101c7f15f$b25af100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <002e01c7f169$769561f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Well, that's certainly easier than what I was doing -- I'll try that. Thanks! Susan H. Right click on the gray column titles and choose "Field Chooser" - scroll down until you see "To" - drag it to where you want it in the columns. HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane Using Outlook 2003, I'm searching the Deleted folder on the TO folder -- however, I can't seem to add the TO field to the pane, so I still can't find them -- I need to add the TO field to the pane and I can't. I tried Arrange By, Custom, Fields, and added TO, but it still doesn't show. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 12:20:43 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: <002d01c7f169$74d7ac60$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <002d01c7f169$74d7ac60$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Yea! I get the Solution points! GK On 9/7/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > Gary, that was the problem -- Outlook added it to the far right and it was > actually off screen. > > > Susan H. > > Huh. Works for me. You did Customize Current View and then Added the To > field to the list of displayed fields and it didn't actually show up? > perhaps you need to move the To column further up on the list? Or resize one > of the other columns to make space for it? Maybe you have too many other > fields selected already in the view? Try to trade another one out? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 7 12:32:36 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:32:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Cam In-Reply-To: <008601c7e8be$75311650$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <007501c7f175$159fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90> How did the web cam thing work and what did you use, software and hardware? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Aha. Two plugs. Who knew? But if two people on my end want to talk at the same time to someone on the other end then I guess it's back to external mic and speakers, which you say doesn't work well? Like Mom and Dad both wanting to talk with Junior at college. Oh, another thing - when you want to talk, do you have to set up a time beforehand? You can't really 'call', can you? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Rocky, You have to buy special headsets for this. These are not the same as for your cell phone or your cordless house phone. These headsets have a mice plug and a headset plug, TWO mini jacks on one cord. You then plug the one with the little Microphone picture into the mic input to the PC and plug the headphone picture into the speaker (I think). On my laptop there are only two jacks and there are two plugs from the headset. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:47 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Yeah but they're saying to plug the headset, which has one plug for both microphone and audio into the sound card. My sound card has three jacks (with somewhat obscure icons on them). Does one of them integrate the input and output in one? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Yes, should be a mic in and speaker out. Doesn't work any other way... Unless I missed something :-) The basic soundcard on the new HPs at work has line in and line out, so I'd imagine most would have this feature. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 27 August 2007 15:26 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Sound card handles both input and output? I have separate jacks for speakers and mic. Do I need a different sound card? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:10 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam your sound card. You should have a socket on the pc somewhere. Martin Martin Reid Telephone: 02890974465 ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: 27 August 2007 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Where do you plug in the headset then? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam MAKE SURE that you use a headset with microphone. Listening to the sound to speakers and speaking into a mike will cause VERY annoying feedback!! I do Skype with one client occasionally and he does not have a headset, and I can tell you that it is distracting almost to the point of unusable. You will speak and then hear yourself about 1/2 second later. For some reason it causes the brain to go spastic and makes it very difficult to talk. OK, maybe my brain is just spastic but take my word for it, don't do that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam How about speed? Would the lowest broadband handle it? Susan H. Any camera will do? I see some pretty inexpensive at Fry's. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 12:49:38 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:49:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Report problems Message-ID: <29f585dd0709071049y6d7998a0hcd677cc54a564d62@mail.gmail.com> The table of interest contains a column called Marked, and various controls to mark rows for inclusion (i.e. age = 12, mark all, then status = 'Inquiry', mark all, then Find Marked which shows the sum of both sets. Then a button invokes a report preview, and its code says: DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Marked]= " & True And I get an input box asking me for a value for Marked. If I type in True or -1 the report works. If I type in nothing it displays zero rows. I have tried several variants of this command, such as: DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="Marked = " & True DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Riders].[Marked] = " & True DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Riders].[Marked] = True" And so on. Nothing seems to prevent invocation of the inputbox asking for a parameter value for Marked. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. The report in question simply looks for Marked = True. It's not based on a query or anything. It just looks at the one table. The filter "Marked = True" is passed in as indicated above, but it doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions? TIA, Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 12:53:03 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:53:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adding fields to reading pane In-Reply-To: References: <004701c7f155$3dedfe70$4b3a8343@SusanOne><002d01c7f169$74d7ac60$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001f01c7f177$f2566920$4b3a8343@SusanOne> That and a dollar... ;) Susan H. Yea! I get the Solution points! From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 7 13:01:29 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:01:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Message-ID: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 7 13:02:29 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:02:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Cam In-Reply-To: <007501c7f175$159fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000401c7f179$41a90040$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Haven't done it yet. The need isn't pressing. It just sounded cool. Martin recommended the Microsoft cam. When Max goes to college I suppose I'll do it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:33 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam How did the web cam thing work and what did you use, software and hardware? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Aha. Two plugs. Who knew? But if two people on my end want to talk at the same time to someone on the other end then I guess it's back to external mic and speakers, which you say doesn't work well? Like Mom and Dad both wanting to talk with Junior at college. Oh, another thing - when you want to talk, do you have to set up a time beforehand? You can't really 'call', can you? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Rocky, You have to buy special headsets for this. These are not the same as for your cell phone or your cordless house phone. These headsets have a mice plug and a headset plug, TWO mini jacks on one cord. You then plug the one with the little Microphone picture into the mic input to the PC and plug the headphone picture into the speaker (I think). On my laptop there are only two jacks and there are two plugs from the headset. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:47 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Yeah but they're saying to plug the headset, which has one plug for both microphone and audio into the sound card. My sound card has three jacks (with somewhat obscure icons on them). Does one of them integrate the input and output in one? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:32 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Yes, should be a mic in and speaker out. Doesn't work any other way... Unless I missed something :-) The basic soundcard on the new HPs at work has line in and line out, so I'd imagine most would have this feature. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 27 August 2007 15:26 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Sound card handles both input and output? I have separate jacks for speakers and mic. Do I need a different sound card? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:10 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam your sound card. You should have a socket on the pc somewhere. Martin Martin Reid Telephone: 02890974465 ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: 27 August 2007 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam Where do you plug in the headset then? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam MAKE SURE that you use a headset with microphone. Listening to the sound to speakers and speaking into a mike will cause VERY annoying feedback!! I do Skype with one client occasionally and he does not have a headset, and I can tell you that it is distracting almost to the point of unusable. You will speak and then hear yourself about 1/2 second later. For some reason it causes the brain to go spastic and makes it very difficult to talk. OK, maybe my brain is just spastic but take my word for it, don't do that. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Cam How about speed? Would the lowest broadband handle it? Susan H. Any camera will do? I see some pretty inexpensive at Fry's. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 7 13:07:31 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:07:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Report problems Message-ID: Hi Arthur Sounds like a Control bound to and named Marked is not present on the report. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 07-09-2007 19:49 >>> The table of interest contains a column called Marked, and various controls to mark rows for inclusion (i.e. age = 12, mark all, then status = 'Inquiry', mark all, then Find Marked which shows the sum of both sets. Then a button invokes a report preview, and its code says: DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Marked]= " & True And I get an input box asking me for a value for Marked. If I type in True or -1 the report works. If I type in nothing it displays zero rows. I have tried several variants of this command, such as: DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="Marked = " & True DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Riders].[Marked] = " & True DoCmd.OpenReport ReportName:="RiderList_rpt", View:=acPreview, WhereCondition:="[Riders].[Marked] = True" And so on. Nothing seems to prevent invocation of the inputbox asking for a parameter value for Marked. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. The report in question simply looks for Marked = True. It's not based on a query or anything. It just looks at the one table. The filter "Marked = True" is passed in as indicated above, but it doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 13:15:41 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:15:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Report problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0709071115p65f6193cxb01145c783dbb526@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, kind sir! That was it. 20 seconds later, it works. Arthur On 9/7/07, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Arthur > > Sounds like a Control bound to and named Marked is not present on the > report. > > /gustav > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 13:18:39 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:18:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Report problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01c7f17b$84d71cb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> And I get an input box asking me for a value for Marked. If I type in True or -1 the report works. If I type in nothing it displays zero rows. =======What should it display when you enter nothing -- all of the records? Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 7 13:18:58 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:18:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> The usual way that an LCD display displays lower screen resolutions is to do processing to interpolate values and build up a resulting picture in the new lower resolution. Actually the processing is done in the video card I think. The results are usually fuzzy but usable. OTOH the native resolution may be so high that the characters are tiny etc. One way to get around this is to look for an lcd screen that natively supports the maximum resolution that you can stand to look at. When I bought my laptop, it had two different screens I could have purchased. I chose the lower (1440 x 900) rather than the 1800 x something or other simply because the higher resolution was imply unusable for me and I didn't want the resulting fuzzies that I would get by interpolating. Go look at the monitor, set various resolutions and look at the results. You will see what I mean and can decide whether it will work for you. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:01 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 7 13:38:48 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:38:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000c01c7f17e$5530bfe0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I suppose I could drag my laptop in and plug it in and try the applications I'm concerned about. Or just go get it and hook it up to the computer where it's really going to be hooked up and test it and bring it back if it doesn't work. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor The usual way that an LCD display displays lower screen resolutions is to do processing to interpolate values and build up a resulting picture in the new lower resolution. Actually the processing is done in the video card I think. The results are usually fuzzy but usable. OTOH the native resolution may be so high that the characters are tiny etc. One way to get around this is to look for an lcd screen that natively supports the maximum resolution that you can stand to look at. When I bought my laptop, it had two different screens I could have purchased. I chose the lower (1440 x 900) rather than the 1800 x something or other simply because the higher resolution was imply unusable for me and I didn't want the resulting fuzzies that I would get by interpolating. Go look at the monitor, set various resolutions and look at the results. You will see what I mean and can decide whether it will work for you. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:01 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 7 13:39:32 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:39:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000d01c7f17e$6e74f340$0301a8c0@HAL9005> BTW all my flat screens do real well in 800x600. Didn't know there was anything different going on under the hood. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor The usual way that an LCD display displays lower screen resolutions is to do processing to interpolate values and build up a resulting picture in the new lower resolution. Actually the processing is done in the video card I think. The results are usually fuzzy but usable. OTOH the native resolution may be so high that the characters are tiny etc. One way to get around this is to look for an lcd screen that natively supports the maximum resolution that you can stand to look at. When I bought my laptop, it had two different screens I could have purchased. I chose the lower (1440 x 900) rather than the 1800 x something or other simply because the higher resolution was imply unusable for me and I didn't want the resulting fuzzies that I would get by interpolating. Go look at the monitor, set various resolutions and look at the results. You will see what I mean and can decide whether it will work for you. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:01 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Sep 7 13:55:26 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:55:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> References: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <002201c7f180$a787a0e0$0200a8c0@danwaters> I also have a laptop with an unusably small resolution. I went to Desktop properties | Settings | Properties and changed the Dots Per Inch (DPI) setting to 120 from the original 96. This made all the items on the screen larger and usable without any fuzziness. You can also select a custom DPI setting but I haven't tried that. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor The usual way that an LCD display displays lower screen resolutions is to do processing to interpolate values and build up a resulting picture in the new lower resolution. Actually the processing is done in the video card I think. The results are usually fuzzy but usable. OTOH the native resolution may be so high that the characters are tiny etc. One way to get around this is to look for an lcd screen that natively supports the maximum resolution that you can stand to look at. When I bought my laptop, it had two different screens I could have purchased. I chose the lower (1440 x 900) rather than the 1800 x something or other simply because the higher resolution was imply unusable for me and I didn't want the resulting fuzzies that I would get by interpolating. Go look at the monitor, set various resolutions and look at the results. You will see what I mean and can decide whether it will work for you. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:01 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 14:01:16 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:01:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000d01c7f17e$6e74f340$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <007d01c7f17b$8fa14210$6c7aa8c0@M90> <000d01c7f17e$6e74f340$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: 19 inch widescrren is shorter from top to bottom than 19 inch conventional format. So the screen will be a little SMALLER for you. You wouldn't be at 800 x 600 anymore lest you not be using the wide sceen. At 800x600 you would have blac bars on the screen, maybe on one side or maybe on both. You would want to pic a resolution that was a wide screen resolution. If you have a 19 inch screen now though you would need at least a 22 inch wide sceen I think to have the samv verticle size as what you have now. GK On 9/7/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > BTW all my flat screens do real well in 800x600. Didn't know there was > anything different going on under the hood. > > Rocky > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:19 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > The usual way that an LCD display displays lower screen resolutions is to do > processing to interpolate values and build up a resulting picture in the new > lower resolution. Actually the processing is done in the video card I think. > The results are usually fuzzy but usable. OTOH the native resolution may be > so high that the characters are tiny etc. One way to get around this is to > look for an lcd screen that natively supports the maximum resolution that > you can stand to look at. When I bought my laptop, it had two different > screens I could have purchased. I chose the lower (1440 x 900) rather than > the 1800 x something or other simply because the higher resolution was imply > unusable for me and I didn't want the resulting fuzzies that I would get by > interpolating. > > Go look at the monitor, set various resolutions and look at the results. > You will see what I mean and can decide whether it will work for you. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:01 PM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it > would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for > $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the > point). > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old > man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect > ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 3:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 14:22:51 2007 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:22:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hiya Rocky, I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. I want two now, ! BTW, Hello to you, Mark On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for > $100. > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it > would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces > for > $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the > point). > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also > old > man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect > ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > So > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 7 14:20:09 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002c01c7f184$1c1f0300$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> I had a good quality (Samsung) 19" LCD wide screen. I didn't care for it because of the wide screen which was still short as approx. a 15" LCD. I sold it off as used equipment after buying a regular 19" LCD. The person I sold it to used it about 3 months and then gave it to another person in her office and bought a regular 19" LCD. To each there own though. From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Sep 7 14:35:58 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:35:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002201c7f186$51148740$0300a8c0@jt2b> Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of 30kg, it takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it on top of the PC case, so it just sits on the desk. I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the mouse right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps open on individual screens, or across both if you want. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Hiya Rocky, I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. I want two now, ! BTW, Hello to you, Mark On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for > $100. > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but > that's beside the point). > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing > code. > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > So > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 15:01:13 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:01:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <002201c7f186$51148740$0300a8c0@jt2b> References: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <002201c7f186$51148740$0300a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of 30kg, it > takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it on top of the > PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the mouse > right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps open on > individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got 2 x > 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four applications open > and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are exactly the same height and > size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for > > $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but > > that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing > > code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Sep 7 15:12:01 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:12:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008101c7f18b$5ab4b950$6c7aa8c0@M90> OK knock it off! All you are doing is fostering jealousy and discontent. ;-) It would be different if I had two monitors too. 8-( John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of > 30kg, it takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it > on top of the PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the > mouse right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps > open on individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got > 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four > applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are > exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB > > for $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, > > but that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen > > Resizing code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more > > real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 7 20:32:51 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:32:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000301c7f179$1dbd23a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hi Rocky: I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 7 20:38:08 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:38:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6EB1CD33A5D04E5B9491F7D64CD7568E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Gary that is definitely the way to go... you can never have too much real-estate. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of 30kg, it > takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it on top of the > PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the mouse > right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps open on > individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got 2 x > 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four applications open > and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are exactly the same height and > size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for > > $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but > > that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing > > code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 7 20:44:35 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:44:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <008101c7f18b$5ab4b950$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: John you can buy a 19" VT monitor for less $130.00. My daughter who works in animation says the resolution is superior to inexpensive flat screens... LT $500.00. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor OK knock it off! All you are doing is fostering jealousy and discontent. ;-) It would be different if I had two monitors too. 8-( John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of > 30kg, it takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it > on top of the PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the > mouse right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps > open on individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got > 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four > applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are > exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB > > for $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, > > but that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen > > Resizing code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more > > real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 7 21:37:04 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:37:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005b01c7f1c1$2471fa20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> D'oh! Think I should take it back? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Hi Rocky: I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 05:55:03 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:55:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <005b01c7f1c1$2471fa20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <005b01c7f1c1$2471fa20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: I just bought an Iomega 500 GB external from Tigredirect for $109. I'm not to familiar with Iomega as a hard drive company but figured for the price I would give it a try. GK On 9/7/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > D'oh! > > Think I should take it back? > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:33 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hi Rocky: > > I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives > as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a > client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a > Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it > would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for > $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the > point). > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old > man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect > ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 3:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Sep 8 06:16:22 2007 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:16:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <005b01c7f1c1$2471fa20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <005b01c7f1c1$2471fa20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001201c7f209$b0332dc0$0300a8c0@jt2b> No, I've used Maxtor exclusively for years, won't touch anything else. I was gutted when I heard they'd been bought out by Seagate, as all the experience I'd had with Seagate was bad. I've had 4 eagate drives over the years, two were doa, and two died within 6 months. Never hada problem with my Maxtors. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 08 September 2007 03:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor D'oh! Think I should take it back? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Hi Rocky: I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 8 07:10:32 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:10:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <001201c7f209$b0332dc0$0300a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <90F4047A25234232A615113A1B52E7D1@creativesystemdesigns.com> There you are Rocky, two diverse sets of experiences. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor No, I've used Maxtor exclusively for years, won't touch anything else. I was gutted when I heard they'd been bought out by Seagate, as all the experience I'd had with Seagate was bad. I've had 4 eagate drives over the years, two were doa, and two died within 6 months. Never hada problem with my Maxtors. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 08 September 2007 03:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor D'oh! Think I should take it back? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Hi Rocky: I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 07:21:38 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:21:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <90F4047A25234232A615113A1B52E7D1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001201c7f209$b0332dc0$0300a8c0@jt2b> <90F4047A25234232A615113A1B52E7D1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: On 9/8/07, Jim Lawrence wrote: > There you are Rocky, two diverse sets of experiences. Which means one's as good as the next. It all depends on the actual piece of hardware you get. But let me say, I've always both Maxtors and never had an issue with them either. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 07:45:25 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:45:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <90F4047A25234232A615113A1B52E7D1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <000001c7f216$20d6d160$0301a8c0@HAL9005> So on average I might or might not have a problem. Reminds me of the three statisticians who went hunting. The first one shot too high and missed. The second one shot too low and missed. The third one said "We got him!" Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor There you are Rocky, two diverse sets of experiences. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor No, I've used Maxtor exclusively for years, won't touch anything else. I was gutted when I heard they'd been bought out by Seagate, as all the experience I'd had with Seagate was bad. I've had 4 eagate drives over the years, two were doa, and two died within 6 months. Never hada problem with my Maxtors. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 08 September 2007 03:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor D'oh! Think I should take it back? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Hi Rocky: I thought Maxtor has gone broke. Local companies will not touch the drives as they say they are junk. Just finished putting in a new hard drive for a client after the Maxtor quit. (1 year 3 months old.) Replaced it with a Seagate, for the same price with a 5 year warranty. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:01 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB for $100. Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, but that's beside the point). What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen Resizing code. Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more real estate? Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. So 'need' is not part of the equation. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 07:47:43 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:47:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c7f216$72fb42a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I think I'd like to try that two monitor thing. But the one I've got now is USB and the one I'm going to get is likely USB, too. Can I just plug them both into USB ports or do I need a video card with two USB ports? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of > 30kg, it takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it > on top of the PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the > mouse right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps > open on individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got > 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four > applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are > exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB > > for $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, > > but that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen > > Resizing code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more > > real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 08:25:18 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:25:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) Message-ID: <29f585dd0709080625k45c75d36y3b26987a53a72b7e@mail.gmail.com> I want TV to work like iPod. I want to receive zero channels unless I specifically request them. I want to receive specific programs, not channels. I want to request specific series (the Sopranos, for example). There are a few channels I would like such as BBC news and Al-Jazerra (just for alternative perspectives). What irks me about the current (in Canada) formula is that I must subscribe to bundles of channels. This is NOT what I want. I want much more precision. For example, I love tennis and want to watch every match in every slam and grand slam. I do not want to watch hockey or baseball, but I do want to watch soccer. I guess this problem is due to the horizontality of the the marketing scheme, but I hate it. I wish all this would quietly go away, and that instead I could request my own peculiar tastes, and receive nothing more. The whole concept of channels defeats my purpose. I don't want channels, I want programs. Law and Order, NYPD Blue, The Shield, tennis, soccer. That's all I want. Why is the world built against this delivery model? Perhaps this is solely my own pet peeve, but the existing marketplace has so angered me that I have stopped subscribing to any TV reception. The only purpose of my TV now is to play DVDs borrowed from the library. A final note: If you haven't seen "Bend it Like Beckham", then I strongly encourage you to rent it or borrow it. You'll laugh and cry and sometimes both at once. A. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 08:51:00 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:51:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000001c7f216$20d6d160$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <90F4047A25234232A615113A1B52E7D1@creativesystemdesigns.com> <000001c7f216$20d6d160$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: On 9/8/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > So on average I might or might not have a problem. Yep. Just like anything else computer related. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 09:08:56 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:08:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709080625k45c75d36y3b26987a53a72b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c7f221$cb867e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005> It's coming. Be patient. It needed the technology and bandwidth. Now all they need is a profitable business model. What you're talking about is a strictly a la carte pay-per-view plan. Do you expect that it will cost more or less than the channel bundle you now get? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) I want TV to work like iPod. I want to receive zero channels unless I specifically request them. I want to receive specific programs, not channels. I want to request specific series (the Sopranos, for example). There are a few channels I would like such as BBC news and Al-Jazerra (just for alternative perspectives). What irks me about the current (in Canada) formula is that I must subscribe to bundles of channels. This is NOT what I want. I want much more precision. For example, I love tennis and want to watch every match in every slam and grand slam. I do not want to watch hockey or baseball, but I do want to watch soccer. I guess this problem is due to the horizontality of the the marketing scheme, but I hate it. I wish all this would quietly go away, and that instead I could request my own peculiar tastes, and receive nothing more. The whole concept of channels defeats my purpose. I don't want channels, I want programs. Law and Order, NYPD Blue, The Shield, tennis, soccer. That's all I want. Why is the world built against this delivery model? Perhaps this is solely my own pet peeve, but the existing marketplace has so angered me that I have stopped subscribing to any TV reception. The only purpose of my TV now is to play DVDs borrowed from the library. A final note: If you haven't seen "Bend it Like Beckham", then I strongly encourage you to rent it or borrow it. You'll laugh and cry and sometimes both at once. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 8 09:11:59 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:11:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000101c7f216$72fb42a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000401c7f222$38b90d50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Further, can I mix one standard video I/F (got an old 15" Dell monitor) with a USB monitor and get the same drag-and-drop-from-one-screen-to-another feature? Of course, I just noticed on my new moderne Dell, there's no video jack. It's all USB. What I was thinking was to give my son, who's got the 15" flat screen, my 19" flat screen, and combine the new wide screen with the 15". Any experience with this anybody? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I think I'd like to try that two monitor thing. But the one I've got now is USB and the one I'm going to get is likely USB, too. Can I just plug them both into USB ports or do I need a video card with two USB ports? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor I have two monitors on my main work system and it is fabulous. GK On 9/7/07, Jon Tydda wrote: > Well I'm running 2 19" LCD's here, and I really miss it when I'm at work. > I've got a 19" CRT there, and as well as weighing the best part of > 30kg, it takes up virtually all ov my desk. I'm even afraid to put it > on top of the PC case, so it just sits on the desk. > > I have them set up as one big desktop, so when you keep moving the > mouse right off one, it moves onto the other, and you can have apps > open on individual screens, or across both if you want. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 07 September 2007 20:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor > > Hiya Rocky, > > I recently installed a PC for a girl in an accounts department. > > It was a nce Dell machine with two video outputs ont he card, she got > 2 x 20" wide screen digital flat screens. She can have four > applications open and never has to toggle an app, the screesn are > exactly the same height and size and resolution, which IMO, is the key > to this setup. > > I want two now, ! > > BTW, Hello to you, > > Mark > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Went to Fry's the other day and picked up an external Maxtor 300GB > > for $100. > > Needed it. Also looked at a widescreen monitor but couldn't decide > > how it would do. It was only $150. But I passed on it. > > > > Today they're selling a 19" widescreen w/ analog and digital > > interfaces for $120 (they throw in a Canon ip1800 printer as well, > > but that's beside the point). > > > > What I'm wondering is how this thing works. I develop in 800x600 > > (also old man's eyes - big is good). And I sue the adh Screen > > Resizing code. > > > > Now on this wide screen will it stretch the maximized form > > distorting it? > > Or do I end up with two black bars on either side and my current > > aspect ratio Will it stretch my desktop? OR will I just get more > > real > estate? > > > > Should I grab this puppy? I'm using a conventional 19 now - it's lovely. > > So > > 'need' is not part of the equation. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 06:50:33 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:50:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Widescreen Monitor In-Reply-To: <000101c7f216$72fb42a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000101c7f216$72fb42a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: With my dual monitors at work I use a splitter cable thing to make the one VGA connection have two plugs. Many video cards have VGA and DVI connections and you can connect one monitor to each and it works. I have no experience with USB monitors so you can try it and tell us I guess. I know that once you have dual monitors you will wonder how you got along without two for all the years before. Code window on one screen and application on the other. E-mail on one, web browser on the other. Etc. And you can even span across both of them if you have a really wide spreadsheet or something. GK On 9/8/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I think I'd like to try that two monitor thing. But the one I've got now is > USB and the one I'm going to get is likely USB, too. Can I just plug them > both into USB ports or do I need a video card with two USB ports? > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 10 05:03:01 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:03:01 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) Message-ID: Hi Arthur and Rocky And then we can sit watching our chosen favourites until we die. Nothing will surprise your bored brain. Great fun. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 08-09-2007 16:08 >>> It's coming. Be patient. It needed the technology and bandwidth. Now all they need is a profitable business model. What you're talking about is a strictly a la carte pay-per-view plan. Do you expect that it will cost more or less than the channel bundle you now get? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) I want TV to work like iPod. I want to receive zero channels unless I specifically request them. I want to receive specific programs, not channels. I want to request specific series (the Sopranos, for example). There are a few channels I would like such as BBC news and Al-Jazerra (just for alternative perspectives). What irks me about the current (in Canada) formula is that I must subscribe to bundles of channels. This is NOT what I want. I want much more precision. For example, I love tennis and want to watch every match in every slam and grand slam. I do not want to watch hockey or baseball, but I do want to watch soccer. I guess this problem is due to the horizontality of the the marketing scheme, but I hate it. I wish all this would quietly go away, and that instead I could request my own peculiar tastes, and receive nothing more. The whole concept of channels defeats my purpose. I don't want channels, I want programs. Law and Order, NYPD Blue, The Shield, tennis, soccer. That's all I want. Why is the world built against this delivery model? Perhaps this is solely my own pet peeve, but the existing marketplace has so angered me that I have stopped subscribing to any TV reception. The only purpose of my TV now is to play DVDs borrowed from the library. A final note: If you haven't seen "Bend it Like Beckham", then I strongly encourage you to rent it or borrow it. You'll laugh and cry and sometimes both at once. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 10 05:17:19 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:17:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c7f393$c5dff780$6c7aa8c0@M90> LOL. I watch a grand total of about 1 hour of TV a week, and perhaps not even that. I watch about 1 movie every couple of weeks. I just don't have much use for TV, although I must say there are a few channels (discovery etc) which has some cool stuff, and I wish I had more time for that kind of stuff. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 6:03 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) Hi Arthur and Rocky And then we can sit watching our chosen favourites until we die. Nothing will surprise your bored brain. Great fun. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 08-09-2007 16:08 >>> It's coming. Be patient. It needed the technology and bandwidth. Now all they need is a profitable business model. What you're talking about is a strictly a la carte pay-per-view plan. Do you expect that it will cost more or less than the channel bundle you now get? Rocky From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 10 09:30:04 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:30:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) In-Reply-To: <004001c7f393$c5dff780$6c7aa8c0@M90> References: <004001c7f393$c5dff780$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <091c01c7f3b7$1450c1b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> My sentiments too. People are always discussing movies and TV shows and I have no idea what they're talking about. A natural opportunity to just listen :o) I get DVDs from the library and watch them during my lunch sometimes. Lord of the Rings took a long time to watch 1/2 hour at a time! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby LOL. I watch a grand total of about 1 hour of TV a week, and perhaps not even that. I watch about 1 movie every couple of weeks. I just don't have much use for TV, although I must say there are a few channels (discovery etc) which has some cool stuff, and I wish I had more time for that kind of stuff. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 10 10:05:47 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:05:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) In-Reply-To: <091c01c7f3b7$1450c1b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <001f01c7f3bc$1227ade0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Try Mythbusters, Dirty Jobs, and How Its Made - all Discovery. Your boy will love them. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby LOL. I watch a grand total of about 1 hour of TV a week, and perhaps not even that. I watch about 1 movie every couple of weeks. I just don't have much use for TV, although I must say there are a few channels (discovery etc) which has some cool stuff, and I wish I had more time for that kind of stuff. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 10 10:20:00 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) In-Reply-To: <001f01c7f3bc$1227ade0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000901c7f3be$0eaf1700$6c7aa8c0@M90> I watched mythbusters one time. Fascinating their techniques though nothing I would watch religiously. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TV (why I hate TV) Try Mythbusters, Dirty Jobs, and How Its Made - all Discovery. Your boy will love them. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby LOL. I watch a grand total of about 1 hour of TV a week, and perhaps not even that. I watch about 1 movie every couple of weeks. I just don't have much use for TV, although I must say there are a few channels (discovery etc) which has some cool stuff, and I wish I had more time for that kind of stuff. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 10 12:03:41 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:03:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Driver for GPS sensor Message-ID: <001901c7f3cc$8acce430$6c7aa8c0@M90> I am trying to find VB (preferably) software to directly read the GPS-500 SiRF III GPS sensor that comes with MS streets and trips. I just bought my first telescope and now want to start looking at GPS locator info to feed existing "push to" software. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 13:16:53 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:16:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pretty Low Tech But Weird Message-ID: <29f585dd0709101116w209a6518v595f025e16342ff8@mail.gmail.com> About a month ago I purchase a new bicycle. About a week ago it was stolen from my back yard. I reported it to the police. This morning the bicycle was magically back. Does this prove the existence of conscience? I doubt it. But it's the first time I've ever phoned the police to report an un-crime. Anyway, my bike is back and I'm elated. To be sure, I'll make sure it's locked from now on, even if I'm only off it for 10 minutes. No sense in pushing one's luck. Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 13:48:07 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:48:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pretty Low Tech But Weird In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709101116w209a6518v595f025e16342ff8@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0709101116w209a6518v595f025e16342ff8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe it was just hiding from you ;-) Glad to hear you got it back. The theives concious got the best of them perhaps. GK On 9/10/07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > About a month ago I purchase a new bicycle. About a week ago it was stolen > from my back yard. I reported it to the police. This morning the bicycle was > magically back. Does this prove the existence of conscience? I doubt it. But > it's the first time I've ever phoned the police to report an un-crime. > Anyway, my bike is back and I'm elated. To be sure, I'll make sure it's > locked from now on, even if I'm only off it for 10 minutes. No sense in > pushing one's luck. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Sep 10 14:27:53 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:27:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pretty Low Tech But Weird In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709101116w209a6518v595f025e16342ff8@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0709101116w209a6518v595f025e16342ff8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c7f3e0$af179290$0200a8c0@danwaters> Someone must have been joybiking! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Pretty Low Tech But Weird About a month ago I purchase a new bicycle. About a week ago it was stolen from my back yard. I reported it to the police. This morning the bicycle was magically back. Does this prove the existence of conscience? I doubt it. But it's the first time I've ever phoned the police to report an un-crime. Anyway, my bike is back and I'm elated. To be sure, I'll make sure it's locked from now on, even if I'm only off it for 10 minutes. No sense in pushing one's luck. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 15:01:30 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:01:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word 2007 Message-ID: <00ba01c7f4ae$906937d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Is that VBA programming language for Word 2007 significantly different? I have some 2003 docs and they work fine in 2007, in 2003 format. Readers are complaining that they can't run them in 2007 format. I haven't begun to troubleshoot, but wondering what you guys have run into already? Susan H. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Thu Sep 13 02:06:49 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:06:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from 1 to 40 seconds. Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C01@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder Nieuwe internetwinkel op www.ithelps.be/shop www.ithelps.be/onsgezin bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 13 03:08:28 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:08:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from 1 to 40 seconds. Message-ID: Hi Erwin It is for a reason that we do not recommend our clients to run this package, not even the OEM version supplied with some machines. If they insist, we stress that they must be prepared for all sort of troubles. That said, some machines run nicely with the package. The situation is the same for Symantec/Norton. Our first choice is CA E-trust which costs a little but never has caused trouble for us. /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 13-09-2007 09:06 >>> Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Thu Sep 13 03:22:28 2007 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:22:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1 to 40 seconds. Message-ID: What I did to combat McAfee's slowing down of things was to uninstall it and put AVG on instead. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 13 September 2007 09:08 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1 to 40 seconds. Hi Erwin It is for a reason that we do not recommend our clients to run this package, not even the OEM version supplied with some machines. If they insist, we stress that they must be prepared for all sort of troubles. That said, some machines run nicely with the package. The situation is the same for Symantec/Norton. Our first choice is CA E-trust which costs a little but never has caused trouble for us. /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 13-09-2007 09:06 >>> Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com DISCLAIMER: The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for the recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk. ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ Registered In England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Thu Sep 13 03:38:34 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:38:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closingform from1 to 40 seconds. References: Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I'm looking at Trend Micro Officescan. I hear they have a great management tool. Any experiances with that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closingform from1 to 40 seconds. What I did to combat McAfee's slowing down of things was to uninstall it and put AVG on instead. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 13 September 2007 09:08 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1 to 40 seconds. Hi Erwin It is for a reason that we do not recommend our clients to run this package, not even the OEM version supplied with some machines. If they insist, we stress that they must be prepared for all sort of troubles. That said, some machines run nicely with the package. The situation is the same for Symantec/Norton. Our first choice is CA E-trust which costs a little but never has caused trouble for us. /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 13-09-2007 09:06 >>> Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com DISCLAIMER: The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for the recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk. ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ Registered In England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Sep 13 04:25:19 2007 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:25:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1 to 40 seconds. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exact same policy here - recommend clients remove all traces of MacAfee and Symantec/Norton - if they can! I haven't seen this particular problem, but these companies have a long track record of seeming ok to some users but screwing up others badly. I'm very happy with Sophos, and have been for a long time, as have a number of clients, colleagues etc. NO hassle, NO false positives, NO complaints - ever. No, I don't work for them, etc. Yes, you do have to pay - well worth it, I reckon! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 13 September 2007 09:08 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1 to 40 seconds. Hi Erwin It is for a reason that we do not recommend our clients to run this package, not even the OEM version supplied with some machines. If they insist, we stress that they must be prepared for all sort of troubles. That said, some machines run nicely with the package. The situation is the same for Symantec/Norton. Our first choice is CA E-trust which costs a little but never has caused trouble for us. /gustav >>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 13-09-2007 09:06 >>> Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 13 09:15:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:15:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closingform from1to 40 seconds. In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <011c01c7f610$8f4dd1e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Erwin, After having many issues with Symantec's NAV and McAfee AV I have moved all of my business clients to CA over the last 3 years. My SOHO users run AVG AV and CounterSpy. I have one small office with Trend Micro's Security Suite and while we haven't had an issue with the AV component we have with others. That's probably not worthy of discounting it thought because the owner of that business is a "tinkerer" and could have caused the problem. I seriously considered Sophos which seems to be pretty solid but there was no support/sales channel in this region - other than that you might consider it) They bundle with SpySweeper now for anti-spyware and that is somewhat of a RAM/CPU intensive application, CounterSpy is much better. You might also consider Avast AV. Many of these products can be used on a trial basis to determine if they'll meet your needs. HTH and good luck! John B. PS: In this area many home users can also use CA's AV under the guess of AT&T/Yahoo's online security suite. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 13 10:57:54 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:57:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from 1to 40 seconds. In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C01@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <004d01c7f61e$d92aa190$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Could you just delete the TMP files yourself before closing the app? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from 1to 40 seconds. Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder Nieuwe internetwinkel op www.ithelps.be/shop www.ithelps.be/onsgezin bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1004 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 5:22 PM From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Thu Sep 13 15:16:35 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:16:35 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows downclosingform from1to 40 seconds. References: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <011c01c7f610$8f4dd1e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C30@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Thx. I talked to Trend Micro today. Apparantly they have a new SMB version instead Officescan. With that form I have a good testing base :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows downclosingform from1to 40 seconds. Hi Erwin, After having many issues with Symantec's NAV and McAfee AV I have moved all of my business clients to CA over the last 3 years. My SOHO users run AVG AV and CounterSpy. I have one small office with Trend Micro's Security Suite and while we haven't had an issue with the AV component we have with others. That's probably not worthy of discounting it thought because the owner of that business is a "tinkerer" and could have caused the problem. I seriously considered Sophos which seems to be pretty solid but there was no support/sales channel in this region - other than that you might consider it) They bundle with SpySweeper now for anti-spyware and that is somewhat of a RAM/CPU intensive application, CounterSpy is much better. You might also consider Avast AV. Many of these products can be used on a trial basis to determine if they'll meet your needs. HTH and good luck! John B. PS: In this area many home users can also use CA's AV under the guess of AT&T/Yahoo's online security suite. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Thu Sep 13 15:17:44 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:17:44 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1to 40 seconds. References: <004d01c7f61e$d92aa190$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C31@stekelbes.ithelps.local> No, the files are open/locked. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1to 40 seconds. Could you just delete the TMP files yourself before closing the app? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from 1to 40 seconds. Hi I found this pretty gross of McAfee so I wanted to know if someone had the same issue and what you done to resolve it. I have written an application in Access for inventorising a real estate property in order to generate a value estimation of the property. The application keep a list of question and answer and generates a form to display on a tablet pc which is carried around the property by the expert. The form is pretty large around 16 tabs and a combined number of +/- 500 questions and their answers. It is mainly this form that causes a problem with McAfee anti virus. The form is unbound and loads/saves data when opening/closing (only saves date when a change is noticed). The application was running very smootly on three computers (2 tablets, one desktop) until a certain McAfee update about 1,5 year ago. Suddenly, after this update was installed, closing the form took a huge time even without saving the data. Instead of 1 or 2 seconds, the form took 40 seconds to close, without saving data!!! We quickly found that it was the virusscanner that caused the issue. I tried to add an exclusion for MDB, but that is not posible in that Virusscanner. So we decided to deactivate the viruscanner. Yesterday, one and a half year later, I installed the latest version (11.x) Mcafee Anti Virus, and the problem still is present. I contacted McAfee support, several times, the frontline people where not really knowledgeable about there own soft and my case was escalated to a higher level. In the meanwhile I supplied them with some additional information where I believe the problem is situated. Apparantly, when I open this form, Access creates 508 temporary file in the "local settings\temp" folder. I suspect 1 for each control. The file are named "~[random].TMP". The virusscanner does not slow down the opening and getting data very much (and creating those 508 tmp files), let's say 1 or 2 seconds, for which I'm ok with. But closing the form (without saving data), delays the form from 2 to 40 seconds, it freezes Access. When I take a look at the temp folder, I see that deleting those tmp files, or whatever is related to that action, is what causing the delay. Files are fully deleted after those 40 seconds. What is causing the delay of 40 seconds, is it deleting those 508 tmp files or is it some MDB updating that is done before deleting each file? Because the form has worked perfectly for a period of 2 years togheter with Mcafee, until a certain update, I suspect McAfee added the TMP extension to the "document and programs" list (the virusscaner has always been set to doc and prog). But then again, why is McAfee freesing Access for 40 seconds while DELETING the files??? The response from McAfee was that they are aware that using MDB's with the virusscaner are problematic and they do not have a solution for it, since 1 year and a half!!! They found it was not that problematic. I told him that if the users opens this form 100 times a day (which is probably the case) he had to wait 1,5 hours per day.... I asked if I could add an exclusing to the virusscanner but this is not posible. So I said that I then my only option is to install another brand of virusscaner, he answered that the user could turn of the virusscanner off/on while he uses the form... 100 times a day!!! Great support :-( I used to love McAfee, but the problems I have with them and the level of support in the last 2 or 3 years are sickening. Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder Nieuwe internetwinkel op www.ithelps.be/shop www.ithelps.be/onsgezin bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1004 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 5:22 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 20:01:08 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:01:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing form from1to 40 seconds. In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C31@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <004d01c7f61e$d92aa190$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C31@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <29f585dd0709131801m3086f321x7367ef7c9bd9cff@mail.gmail.com> Yet another morsel of evidence about what McAfee software does wrong. I just use the free AVG version and have not been plagued by either delays or missed virii. Arthur On 9/13/07, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > No, the files are open/locked. > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Fri Sep 14 05:24:09 2007 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:24:09 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing formfrom1to 40 seconds. References: <004d01c7f61e$d92aa190$0301a8c0@HAL9005><430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C31@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <29f585dd0709131801m3086f321x7367ef7c9bd9cff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276C35@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well, In the last 2 years I needed to call a couple of times to the help desk and if they would call be me back for a customer satisfaction inquiry, I could probably give no more than a score of 2 on 10. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:01 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mcafee Viruscan Central slows down closing formfrom1to 40 seconds. Yet another morsel of evidence about what McAfee software does wrong. I just use the free AVG version and have not been plagued by either delays or missed virii. Arthur On 9/13/07, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > > No, the files are open/locked. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 15:59:24 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:59:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM Message-ID: <00de01c7f8a4$771c0b00$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Over the next month or so, I'm going to reformat and use VM to set up partitions for 2003 and 2007 so I can have both versions of Outlook. I'm interested in hearing tips/warnings about the process; I don't need a tutorial or anything like that. If the process is fairly straight-forward, I don't imagine any of you will have many comments. Have any of you gone with 3 partitions, versus 2? Does each partition need its own installation of Windows -- I can't imagine that doing so violates a license agreement, does it? Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 17 09:20:27 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:20:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incremental Backups - large files Message-ID: <000301c7f935$e5ab7330$6c7aa8c0@M90> Does anyone have any experience with incremental backups of large files. I have a 1 GByte TrueCrypt encryption "volume file", i.e. the file that gets mounted as an encrypted volume by the TrueCrypt program. It contains my billing and other company confidential data. I want to do a backup to get the file off of my laptop every night. I am wondering if doing an incremental backup on a file that size would take a "very long time" (nebulous definition I know). Does anyone have experience with backing up large files? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Sep 19 16:49:11 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:49:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event Message-ID: <004801c7fb06$e9eb3570$0200a8c0@danwaters> I'm trying to use the MS DateTime Picker because it has a nice appearance. I expected an AfterUpdate event, but there is an OnUpdated event. The OnUpdated event does not fire when I select a date. There are four other events but they don't fire either. This seems useless! Any advice? Dan From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 18:24:05 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:24:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event In-Reply-To: <004801c7fb06$e9eb3570$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: Hi Dan: I could send you some code that should help. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event I'm trying to use the MS DateTime Picker because it has a nice appearance. I expected an AfterUpdate event, but there is an OnUpdated event. The OnUpdated event does not fire when I select a date. There are four other events but they don't fire either. This seems useless! Any advice? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Sep 19 20:04:21 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:04:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event In-Reply-To: References: <004801c7fb06$e9eb3570$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000301c7fb22$2dbab8a0$0200a8c0@danwaters> Jim - I'll look forward to that! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event Hi Dan: I could send you some code that should help. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Date Time Picker On Updated Event I'm trying to use the MS DateTime Picker because it has a nice appearance. I expected an AfterUpdate event, but there is an OnUpdated event. The OnUpdated event does not fire when I select a date. There are four other events but they don't fire either. This seems useless! Any advice? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Sep 21 19:15:09 2007 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:15:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! Message-ID: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> In the last 2 days, every attachment I add to an Outlook email is corrupted for different recipients. Excel, Word, and pdf. I've done a Detect & Repair, and repaired my pst file with the ScanPST.exe application. Files still get corrupted. I'm using Outlook 2003 SP2 with all updates (except SP3 of course). Any ideas? Thanks - Dan From bheid at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 21 20:51:01 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In-Reply-To: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <000601c7fcbb$07ae5d20$170b1760$@rr.com> Hi Dan, No ideas as to your problem, but does everyone that receive them get them corrupted? If you'd like to send me one of each kind that is corrupted, I'd be glad to look at them. When you open up the attachments in the emails in the Sent folder, are they corrupted there? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In the last 2 days, every attachment I add to an Outlook email is corrupted for different recipients. Excel, Word, and pdf. I've done a Detect & Repair, and repaired my pst file with the ScanPST.exe application. Files still get corrupted. I'm using Outlook 2003 SP2 with all updates (except SP3 of course). Any ideas? Thanks - Dan From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 21:15:27 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:15:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In-Reply-To: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> References: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: On 9/21/07, Dan Waters wrote: > In the last 2 days, every attachment I add to an Outlook email is corrupted > for different recipients. Excel, Word, and pdf. > > I've done a Detect & Repair, and repaired my pst file with the ScanPST.exe > application. Files still get corrupted. > > I'm using Outlook 2003 SP2 with all updates (except SP3 of course). > > Any ideas? Have you tried a different email client? Is it only 1 recipient or to 1 ISP? It may not be Outlook, but the mail server. If you want, send me a couple of different attachments to carbonnb at rogers.com and I'll see if I can see anything. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 07:07:35 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:07:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In-Reply-To: <000601c7fcbb$07ae5d20$170b1760$@rr.com> References: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> <000601c7fcbb$07ae5d20$170b1760$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000401c7fd11$45d33750$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Are you sure they're corrupted and not encrypted? Is the recipient able to open them? Susan H. No ideas as to your problem, but does everyone that receive them get them corrupted? If you'd like to send me one of each kind that is corrupted, I'd be glad to look at them. When you open up the attachments in the emails in the Sent folder, are they corrupted there? From carbonnb at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 11:48:31 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:48:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: On 9/21/07, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 9/21/07, Dan Waters wrote: > > In the last 2 days, every attachment I add to an Outlook email is corrupted > > for different recipients. Excel, Word, and pdf. > > > > I've done a Detect & Repair, and repaired my pst file with the ScanPST.exe > > application. Files still get corrupted. > > > > I'm using Outlook 2003 SP2 with all updates (except SP3 of course). > > > > Any ideas? > > Have you tried a different email client? Is it only 1 recipient or to 1 ISP? > > It may not be Outlook, but the mail server. > > If you want, send me a couple of different attachments to > carbonnb at rogers.com and I'll see if I can see anything. Dan, All the attachments came through fine. Both your home ISP and your work ISP. So, I don't think it's on your end, but the recipients end. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Sep 22 12:36:33 2007 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:36:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7fcad$a34fdb90$0200a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <003a01c7fd3f$1e6dae60$5b490b20$@rr.com> Same here. Just replying here in case it may help us come up with a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Every attachment I send out is corrupted! Dan, All the attachments came through fine. Both your home ISP and your work ISP. So, I don't think it's on your end, but the recipients end. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 23 11:41:34 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:41:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program Message-ID: <002301c7fe00$9a63b7f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: We're contemplating a bathroom remodel. I drew the existing bathroom on some graph paper. Now I'd like to lay out 4-5 different ideas. So I'm looking for some software that would make it easy to do a few simple shapes, move them around, rotate them. It's mostly rectangles at right angles - need a couple ovals for the loo and sinks. My first thought was Word - use the drawing feature. Might be the easiest thing. Or Access - report design but no data - just boxes. Is there anything else simple that anybody can suggest - preferably something that's already hiding on my computer? TIA Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 23 21:25:37 2007 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:25:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program In-Reply-To: <002301c7fe00$9a63b7f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002301c7fe00$9a63b7f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <46F72021.24474.66742D83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 23 Sep 2007 at 9:41, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear List: > > We're contemplating a bathroom remodel. I drew the existing bathroom on > some graph paper. > > Now I'd like to lay out 4-5 different ideas. So I'm looking for some > software that would make it easy to do a few simple shapes, move them > around, rotate them. It's mostly rectangles at right angles - need a couple > ovals for the loo and sinks. > > My first thought was Word - use the drawing feature. Might be the easiest > thing. > > Or Access - report design but no data - just boxes. > > Is there anything else simple that anybody can suggest - preferably > something that's already hiding on my computer? Grab a copy of Room Arranger version 3.26 (the last freeware version) from http://www.aplusfreeware.com/misc/RoomArranger/index.html This program is intended for designing room interiors. It allows you to place furniture, items and other objects. You can additionally move and rotate objects, change their colors and dimensions. But you can also plan your entire flat, one floor of the house or a new garden. Only 681KB download and it's a really neat piece of software. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 23 23:35:22 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:35:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program In-Reply-To: <46F72021.24474.66742D83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003001c7fe64$51c3a730$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Cool. Thanks Stuart. I was using Visio. But learning it is not a snap. Plus my 11 y.o. said he would help me with Visio if I got stuck. Humbling. I'll check this out. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program On 23 Sep 2007 at 9:41, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear List: > > We're contemplating a bathroom remodel. I drew the existing bathroom > on some graph paper. > > Now I'd like to lay out 4-5 different ideas. So I'm looking for some > software that would make it easy to do a few simple shapes, move them > around, rotate them. It's mostly rectangles at right angles - need a > couple ovals for the loo and sinks. > > My first thought was Word - use the drawing feature. Might be the > easiest thing. > > Or Access - report design but no data - just boxes. > > Is there anything else simple that anybody can suggest - preferably > something that's already hiding on my computer? Grab a copy of Room Arranger version 3.26 (the last freeware version) from http://www.aplusfreeware.com/misc/RoomArranger/index.html This program is intended for designing room interiors. It allows you to place furniture, items and other objects. You can additionally move and rotate objects, change their colors and dimensions. But you can also plan your entire flat, one floor of the house or a new garden. Only 681KB download and it's a really neat piece of software. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 24 09:19:22 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:19:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program In-Reply-To: <002301c7fe00$9a63b7f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002301c7fe00$9a63b7f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <049f01c7feb6$1e6c1050$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Rocky, If you don't wish to use something new, PowerPoint would be easier than either Word or Access. Similar tools though, so it would be familiar to you. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:32 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:47:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program In-Reply-To: <049f01c7feb6$1e6c1050$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <002c01c7feb9$d7067d00$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Well, I tried Visio - and it's okay but the OT listers deceived me about the learning curve so they could laugh at me behind their hands. I'm sure of it. (Having a little laugh at my expense, are you? You know who you are.) I'm trying Stuart's recommendation of Room Arranger which looks like a good solution but I ran into a problem I couldn't solve so I'm going to ask him later. Outlook might just be the ticket for this old dog. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program Rocky, If you don't wish to use something new, PowerPoint would be easier than either Word or Access. Similar tools though, so it would be familiar to you. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 9/23/2007 1:53 PM From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 24 09:45:42 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:45:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program In-Reply-To: <003001c7fe64$51c3a730$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <46F72021.24474.66742D83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003001c7fe64$51c3a730$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <04ba01c7feb9$95677a20$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Visio would be better than PowerPoint as it has a lot of templates for equipment and such. I think I have some for office furniture if that would you out. I actually use Punch's Professional designer software for things like this though so if Stuart's recommendation is easy to learn I'd go that direction. A tool made for one purpose is usually the better choice :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:35 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing Program Cool. Thanks Stuart. I was using Visio. But learning it is not a snap. Plus my 11 y.o. said he would help me with Visio if I got stuck. Humbling. I'll check this out. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 15:14:40 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:14:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Word switch -- Options missing in Macro dialog box Message-ID: <46f81a97.2286460a.5ce8.ffffc05e@mx.google.com> In the Macro dialog box, there's an Option button -- you click it to assign a keyboard shortcut to a macro. I just used it, not five minutes ago. Now, it's gone and there's an Organizer button (which may have been there earlier, but I didn't notice it). I'm just flabbergasted -- I have no idea why the Options button would just up and leave. ;( I rebooted, but no change. Just terribly odd. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 24 22:37:00 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:37:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Office 2007 look like Office 2003 Message-ID: <007b01c7ff25$550e1e90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Does anyone know of a free utility or an easy way to make Office 2007 apps look like Office 2003 apps? Toolbars instead of Ribbon, etc. John B From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 25 12:25:46 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:25:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Word switch -- Options missing in Macro dialog box In-Reply-To: <46f81a97.2286460a.5ce8.ffffc05e@mx.google.com> References: <46f81a97.2286460a.5ce8.ffffc05e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46F9449A.6070907@torchlake.com> Hi Susan, Well, what I find is that in the Create Macro dialog box there is a choice to make of assigning the macro to a toolbar or the keyboard - or not. I've just made two macros, one I didn't assign to any shortcut, the other I did. When I select Tools > Macro > Macros, I do see an Organizer. . . button but no Options button. In the Tools > Customize dialog box I do find the Keyboard button for assigning a shortcut. Sorry I'm not much help - I don't see an Option button anywhere in the macro making and assigning system. Tina Susan Harkins wrote: > In the Macro dialog box, there's an Option button -- you click it to assign > a keyboard shortcut to a macro. I just used it, not five minutes ago. Now, > it's gone and there's an Organizer button (which may have been there > earlier, but I didn't notice it). > > I'm just flabbergasted -- I have no idea why the Options button would just > up and leave. ;( > > I rebooted, but no change. Just terribly odd. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 13:17:20 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:17:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Word switch -- Options missing in Macro dialog box In-Reply-To: <46F9449A.6070907@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <46f9509c.2486460a.03c5.304b@mx.google.com> In the Tools > Customize dialog box I do find the Keyboard button for assigning a shortcut. ==========That lets me assign shortcuts to commands, but I don't see how to use it to assign shortcuts for an existing macro. The only thing I can figure with the Options button is that it was in 2002 -- after reinstalling 2003, 2002 has disappeared, even though, I was careful. :( Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 13:24:04 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:24:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Word switch -- Options missing in Macro dialog box In-Reply-To: <46F9449A.6070907@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <46f9522b.1387460a.5e2f.42f4@mx.google.com> It's time for a vacation... The Options button is in Excel, not Word. Seriously, some days... Susan H. Hi Susan, Well, what I find is that in the Create Macro dialog box there is a choice to make of assigning the macro to a toolbar or the keyboard - or not. I've just made two macros, one I didn't assign to any shortcut, the other I did. When I select Tools > Macro > Macros, I do see an Organizer. . . button but no Options button. In the Tools > Customize dialog box I do find the Keyboard button for assigning a shortcut. Sorry I'm not much help - I don't see an Option button anywhere in the macro making and assigning system. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Sep 26 05:55:07 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:55:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Word switch -- Options missing in Macro dialog box In-Reply-To: <46f9522b.1387460a.5e2f.42f4@mx.google.com> References: <46f9522b.1387460a.5e2f.42f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FA3A8B.7050106@torchlake.com> Well, I'm glad you found it - and, yes, some days are just like that! Time for a nice cup of tea. :-) Tina Susan Harkins wrote: > It's time for a vacation... > > The Options button is in Excel, not Word. Seriously, some days... > > Susan H. > > Hi Susan, > > Well, what I find is that in the Create Macro dialog box there is a choice > to make of assigning the macro to a toolbar or the keyboard - or not. I've > just made two macros, one I didn't assign to any shortcut, the other I did. > > When I select Tools > Macro > Macros, I do see an Organizer. . . button but > no Options button. > > In the Tools > Customize dialog box I do find the Keyboard button for > assigning a shortcut. > > Sorry I'm not much help - I don't see an Option button anywhere in the macro > making and assigning system. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 26 06:41:57 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:41:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Bug In-Reply-To: <46FA3A8B.7050106@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <1F2E6D494D9D44FB91CEFCC42F190A96@creativesystemdesigns.com> Are there bugs in the new Excel? http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.excel/browse_thread/thread/2 bcad1a1a4861879/2f8806d5400dfe22?hl=en#2f8806d5400dfe22 Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 26 09:04:29 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:04:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Bug Message-ID: Hi Jim Yes: http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/archive/2007/09/25/calculation-issue-update.aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-09-2007 13:41 >>> Are there bugs in the new Excel? http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.excel/browse_thread/thread/2 bcad1a1a4861879/2f8806d5400dfe22?hl=en#2f8806d5400dfe22 Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 10:23:51 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:23:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? Susan H. From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 10:34:28 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:34:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have a Linksys WRT54GS. Works fabulous for us. We get pretty good wireless connectivity throughout the house even on 2nd floor which is 3 floors up from the basement where the router is. And outside on the deck too although that is closer to the router than the 2nd floor bedroom is. On sale now at Best Buy for $69.99. The non-speed boster version WRT54G is available there for $49.99 I've had it for 3 or 4 years now after my previous wired router gave it's life in a power surge that came down the line and fried port # 1. I have only used Linksys since my first wired router and have had good luck with them excepting that one issue when one port got zapped. That same zap also killed the cable modem completely.. It was a rented one though so that was not a big deal except I had to have a service call. But I don't have any experience with other brands. I just stick with what I have used because it has worked. GK On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They > seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm > wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 26 10:33:49 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:33:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004201c80052$a2c64440$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Susan, I use/support many brands of small routers. They all work just fine. Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 26 10:40:34 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:40:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: Hi Susan Linksys is good. We also use Zyxel and Draytek. Your choice may be dependant on the local service available. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 26-09-2007 17:23 >>> We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 10:59:25 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:59:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46fa81c1.2787460a.0f1c.182f@mx.google.com> Linksys is good. We also use Zyxel and Draytek. Your choice may be dependant on the local service available. =======Service guy said it wouldn't matter, but since we already had the linksys modem, he did mention that he could recommend their router as well -- but didn't say we had to go with them. Locally, it seems to be only two brands available and I can't remember the other brand -- starts with a b maybe???? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 10:59:25 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:59:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <004201c80052$a2c64440$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <46fa81c2.2787460a.0f1c.1833@mx.google.com> Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. =======By stack, do you mean physically positioning one on another? Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 26 11:08:57 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: Hi Susan Could it be Belkin? A typical low-cost brand, but I have no bad references so others may chime in. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 26-09-2007 17:59 >>> Linksys is good. We also use Zyxel and Draytek. Your choice may be dependant on the local service available. =======Service guy said it wouldn't matter, but since we already had the linksys modem, he did mention that he could recommend their router as well -- but didn't say we had to go with them. Locally, it seems to be only two brands available and I can't remember the other brand -- starts with a b maybe???? Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 11:11:15 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:11:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa81c2.2787460a.0f1c.1833@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002901c80057$de28f500$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I was never able to get a real dependable wireless connection in the house to Pundit's office and even another one closer was a bit shaky. And slow. So I switched to this: http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapter s/XE102G.aspx It's like having a hardwired network. I highly recommend it in place of wireless. No security problem either with encryption. So much easier to set up. Just plug and play. No software to install at all. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. =======By stack, do you mean physically positioning one on another? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Sep 26 11:22:05 2007 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:22:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have the LinkSys WRT54G, got it before speed booster came out. Works great wherever I move the laptop. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers > > I have a Linksys WRT54GS. > > Works fabulous for us. We get pretty good wireless connectivity > throughout the house even on 2nd floor which is 3 floors up from the > basement where the router is. And outside on the deck too although > that is closer to the router than the 2nd floor bedroom is. On sale > now at Best Buy for $69.99. The non-speed boster version WRT54G is > available there for $49.99 I've had it for 3 or 4 years now after my > previous wired router gave it's life in a power surge that came down > the line and fried port # 1. > > I have only used Linksys since my first wired router and have had good > luck with them excepting that one issue when one port got zapped. That > same zap also killed the cable modem completely.. It was a rented one > though so that was not a big deal except I had to have a service call. > But I don't have any experience with other brands. I just stick with > what I have used because it has worked. > > > GK > > > > On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless > router. They > > seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most > expensive and I'm > > wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? > > > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 11:31:17 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:31:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <002901c80057$de28f500$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <46fa893e.2686460a.6ac6.2857@mx.google.com> First -- ouch! A little pricey, but if necessary, I'm sure worth it. But, it says "in addition to " so I'm wondering -- do you use this in place of a traditional router or in addition to? Susan H. I was never able to get a real dependable wireless connection in the house to Pundit's office and even another one closer was a bit shaky. And slow. So I switched to this: http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapter s/XE102G.aspx It's like having a hardwired network. I highly recommend it in place of wireless. No security problem either with encryption. So much easier to set up. Just plug and play. No software to install at all. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. =======By stack, do you mean physically positioning one on another? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 11:35:55 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:35:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46fa8a53.1186460a.3c5f.2c15@mx.google.com> Yes, that's it. Are they all compatible -- I mean, can I use a Belkin router with a Linksys modem? Will they play together nicely? Susan H. Could it be Belkin? A typical low-cost brand, but I have no bad references so others may chime in. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 11:42:13 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:42:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa893e.2686460a.6ac6.2857@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003a01c8005c$325e4810$0301a8c0@HAL9005> In addition to. Yeah, $$$, but since it solved the problem - cheap! (Check Ebay, of course) You can start with a set of two but buy them individually to make a wired connection in any room of the house. Try the wireless. You'll probably have a 30 day return. If it's shaky, you've got an alternative. And a regular router is less expensive than a wireless. Eases the pain a bit. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers First -- ouch! A little pricey, but if necessary, I'm sure worth it. But, it says "in addition to " so I'm wondering -- do you use this in place of a traditional router or in addition to? Susan H. I was never able to get a real dependable wireless connection in the house to Pundit's office and even another one closer was a bit shaky. And slow. So I switched to this: http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapter s/XE102G.aspx It's like having a hardwired network. I highly recommend it in place of wireless. No security problem either with encryption. So much easier to set up. Just plug and play. No software to install at all. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. =======By stack, do you mean physically positioning one on another? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 26 11:42:15 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:42:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: Hi Susan Yes, no problem. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 26-09-2007 18:35 >>> Yes, that's it. Are they all compatible -- I mean, can I use a Belkin router with a Linksys modem? Will they play together nicely? Susan H. Could it be Belkin? A typical low-cost brand, but I have no bad references so others may chime in. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 11:47:08 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:47:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <003a01c8005c$325e4810$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com> We need wireless -- Bill is insisting and with computers all over, he's right. Susan H. Try the wireless. You'll probably have a 30 day return. If it's shaky, you've got an alternative. And a regular router is less expensive than a wireless. Eases the pain a bit. From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 26 11:46:29 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa81c1.2787460a.0f1c.182f@mx.google.com> References: <46fa81c1.2787460a.0f1c.182f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002001c8005c$cc6c73f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> might be Belkin - if so, unless you really save the money, and have to, I'd go with the Linksys. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Linksys is good. We also use Zyxel and Draytek. Your choice may be dependant on the local service available. =======Service guy said it wouldn't matter, but since we already had the linksys modem, he did mention that he could recommend their router as well -- but didn't say we had to go with them. Locally, it seems to be only two brands available and I can't remember the other brand -- starts with a b maybe???? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 26 11:46:29 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa81c2.2787460a.0f1c.1833@mx.google.com> References: <004201c80052$a2c64440$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <46fa81c2.2787460a.0f1c.1833@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002101c8005c$cd4f0bc0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> yes -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Linksys's might stack better with their own cable modem if that's a requirement. =======By stack, do you mean physically positioning one on another? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 11:54:56 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:54:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <002001c8005c$cc6c73f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <46fa8ec4.1386460a.5006.2bb4@mx.google.com> I haven't physically gone shopping for one yet, but the savings seems to be about $20 -- not enough to change my mind if the linksys is more reliable -- that's why I'm asking, so thanks. Susan H. might be Belkin - if so, unless you really save the money, and have to, I'd go with the Linksys. From kens.programming at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 12:04:38 2007 From: kens.programming at verizon.net (kens.programming) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:04:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> I also have the LinkSys WRT54G and love it. I have never had reception problems in my home. I have worked with Belkin, NetGear and LinkSys when helping friends set up and secure themselves and have to say I have always found LinkSys more intuitive for me, but that is just me. They are all good, as my friends' networks with the other brands are all still working well. Ken -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers I have the LinkSys WRT54G, got it before speed booster came out. Works great wherever I move the laptop. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers > > I have a Linksys WRT54GS. > > Works fabulous for us. We get pretty good wireless connectivity > throughout the house even on 2nd floor which is 3 floors up from the > basement where the router is. And outside on the deck too although > that is closer to the router than the 2nd floor bedroom is. On sale > now at Best Buy for $69.99. The non-speed boster version WRT54G is > available there for $49.99 I've had it for 3 or 4 years now after my > previous wired router gave it's life in a power surge that came down > the line and fried port # 1. > > I have only used Linksys since my first wired router and have had good > luck with them excepting that one issue when one port got zapped. That > same zap also killed the cable modem completely.. It was a rented one > though so that was not a big deal except I had to have a service call. > But I don't have any experience with other brands. I just stick with > what I have used because it has worked. > > > GK > > > > On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless > router. They > > seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most > expensive and I'm > > wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? > > > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 26 12:08:09 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:08:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa8ec4.1386460a.5006.2bb4@mx.google.com> References: <002001c8005c$cc6c73f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <46fa8ec4.1386460a.5006.2bb4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002201c8005f$d0dce610$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Belkin can be reliable - but I think for the most part they just rebrand equipment so you don't know the manufacturer up front. I like their UPSs. I have had issues with their wireless units. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins I haven't physically gone shopping for one yet, but the savings seems to be about $20 -- not enough to change my mind if the linksys is more reliable -- that's why I'm asking, so thanks. From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 12:55:20 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:55:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa8ec4.1386460a.5006.2bb4@mx.google.com> References: <002001c8005c$cc6c73f0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> <46fa8ec4.1386460a.5006.2bb4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You are going to be connecting Desktop systems or Laptops? Do these systems have wireless adapters already? The laptops might or might not and the desktops most certainly do not and will need one of those. With those you might want to match the brand of wireless adapter that goes on the PC to the brand of wireless router so they are talking the same variation. For example in my situation with the Linksys 54G with Speed booster I would want to use the wireless adapter from Linksys that also has the speedbooster tag. I think that would be more important than matching the router to the modem. In my opinion. GK On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > I haven't physically gone shopping for one yet, but the savings seems to be > about $20 -- not enough to change my mind if the linksys is more reliable -- > that's why I'm asking, so thanks. > > Susan H. > > might be Belkin - if so, unless you really save the money, and have to, I'd > go with the Linksys. > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 26 13:06:33 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> <005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> Message-ID: <001301c80067$f92f3070$6c7aa8c0@M90> I had the WRT54G but it was a special one from Vonage. It did not work reliably with VPN. That issue along with the total inability of Vonage to even understand never mind fix the problem was what led me to drop Vonage and disparage them to anyone who asks me about the Vonage service. Their Customer Service simply is not worthy of calling by that phrase. That was about 2 years ago though and the router companies do fimrware updates which may have fixed it since then. And I still would NEVER recommend Vonage to anyone! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of kens.programming Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers I also have the LinkSys WRT54G and love it. I have never had reception problems in my home. I have worked with Belkin, NetGear and LinkSys when helping friends set up and secure themselves and have to say I have always found LinkSys more intuitive for me, but that is just me. They are all good, as my friends' networks with the other brands are all still working well. Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:07:46 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:07:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46fa9fd9.1287460a.7851.2484@mx.google.com> You are going to be connecting Desktop systems or Laptops? Do these systems have wireless adapters already? The laptops might or might not and the desktops most certainly do not and will need one of those. ========Both, and yes, we know they'll need adaptors. With those you might want to match the brand of wireless adapter that goes on the PC to the brand of wireless router so they are talking the same variation. For example in my situation with the Linksys 54G with Speed booster I would want to use the wireless adapter from Linksys that also has the speedbooster tag. I think that would be more important than matching the router to the modem. In my opinion. ========Thank you. :) Susan H> From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:08:31 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:08:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46faa003.0f86460a.2cda.29c7@mx.google.com> Oh, here's another question -- if we use a wireless router, can we still use cable to connect to systems that are close enough? Or, is it totally one or the other? Susan H. You are going to be connecting Desktop systems or Laptops? Do these systems have wireless adapters already? The laptops might or might not and the desktops most certainly do not and will need one of those. With those you might want to match the brand of wireless adapter that goes on the PC to the brand of wireless router so they are talking the same variation. For example in my situation with the Linksys 54G with Speed booster I would want to use the wireless adapter from Linksys that also has the speedbooster tag. I think that would be more important than matching the router to the modem. In my opinion. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:15:59 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:15:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <001301c80067$f92f3070$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <46faa1c3.0d87460a.4b73.34ec@mx.google.com> I feel that way about Bellsouth -- evil empire. The other night while talking to a client on the phone, he used the phrase "evil empire" to refer to Microsoft and the phone went dead -- we laughed out loud about it once we reconnected. ;) Susan H. And I still would NEVER recommend Vonage to anyone! From kens.programming at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 13:20:39 2007 From: kens.programming at verizon.net (kens.programming) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:20:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46faa003.0f86460a.2cda.29c7@mx.google.com> References: <46faa003.0f86460a.2cda.29c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005301c80069$f229f060$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> The LinkSys, as do the others mentioned, router has four wired ports and the wireless antennae, so in my office, I have 2 servers, my workstation and the family computer all wired through the router and my laptop connects to the network through the wireless connection. Ken -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Oh, here's another question -- if we use a wireless router, can we still use cable to connect to systems that are close enough? Or, is it totally one or the other? Susan H. You are going to be connecting Desktop systems or Laptops? Do these systems have wireless adapters already? The laptops might or might not and the desktops most certainly do not and will need one of those. With those you might want to match the brand of wireless adapter that goes on the PC to the brand of wireless router so they are talking the same variation. For example in my situation with the Linksys 54G with Speed booster I would want to use the wireless adapter from Linksys that also has the speedbooster tag. I think that would be more important than matching the router to the modem. In my opinion. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:12 PM From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:28:13 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:28:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <005301c80069$f229f060$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> Message-ID: <46faa4a2.0886460a.77fc.283f@mx.google.com> I think I already have one of these from my bellsouth days -- I may have to give it a try before buying a new one -- if I can find it. Susan H. The LinkSys, as do the others mentioned, router has four wired ports and the wireless antennae, so in my office, I have 2 servers, my workstation and the family computer all wired through the router and my laptop connects to the network through the wireless connection. From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:39:10 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:39:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46faa003.0f86460a.2cda.29c7@mx.google.com> References: <46faa003.0f86460a.2cda.29c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As Ken replied already, every wireless rounter I have seen also has a few wired ports. Mine has 4 as well. One of the 4 on mine is also an "uplink" port to which I can attach a wired switch or hub to allow even more devices. I have a switch connected to my port 1 and so I have 3 wired devices - 2 desktops and a printer - connected to the router directly and I have 2 more wire connected devices connected to the switch. You can daisy chain the switches too if you need to connect more wired devices. The router will manage as many as 250 systems according to the documentation. GK On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > Oh, here's another question -- if we use a wireless router, can we still use > cable to connect to systems that are close enough? Or, is it totally one or > the other? > > Susan H. -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Wed Sep 26 14:33:39 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:33:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> <005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> Message-ID: In addition, I have found "Linksys Networks: The Official Guide, Third Edition" by Walter Glenn to be very helpful when dealing specifically with linksys routers. Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of kens.programming Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers I also have the LinkSys WRT54G and love it. I have never had reception problems in my home. I have worked with Belkin, NetGear and LinkSys when helping friends set up and secure themselves and have to say I have always found LinkSys more intuitive for me, but that is just me. They are all good, as my friends' networks with the other brands are all still working well. Ken *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 14:51:20 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:51:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005> You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:47 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers We need wireless -- Bill is insisting and with computers all over, he's right. Susan H. Try the wireless. You'll probably have a 30 day return. If it's shaky, you've got an alternative. And a regular router is less expensive than a wireless. Eases the pain a bit. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 15:15:49 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:15:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com> <001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. GK On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If you > could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more reliable. The > Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com Wed Sep 26 15:22:20 2007 From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:22:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network madness Message-ID: My home peer to peer network has linksys VPN routers which maintain a VPN connection with my little company's warehouse. At home the computers, NAS and print servers are set to 192.168.1.x and have static IPs. The warehouse computer and print server is set to 192.168.2.x. Now for the frustrating part. The network works fine with VNC, the windows 2000 and Vista computers are able to use the shared folders on the local and warehouse computers, the XP pro machines are able to use shared folders on the local machines BUT the XP pro machines cannot access the shared folders on thwe machines across the vpn connection. They see them but when I click on them in explorer it says I don't have access or network path not found. What special setting is preventing the XP machines from finding each other?! Also, the Hawking printserver utility used to set up the print servers cannot see the print server across the vpn connection. There is a "secret" (at least to me) cheat sheet file "C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\Hosts" buried deep in windows land where you can hard code IP addresses and presto, the machine suddenly can find the devices and can access the shared folders. However, the Hawking utility still can't find the servers on the other side. I am curious as to why only XP pro machines have this problem and if I can perhaps change a router setting so the machines and printserver software can find the other machines. Jim Hale *********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. As a recipient of this email, you are responsible for screening its contents and the contents of any attachments for the presence of viruses. No liability is accepted for any damages caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 15:23:44 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:23:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c8007b$22d91a90$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Yeah, I could just never get a reliable connection in her office - just a tad too far away with a kitchen in between with refrigerator, microwave, etc. I tried the repeater - no joy. And she was getting....testy. So this solution was not only effective but waaaayyyy cheap. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. GK On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Sep 26 15:24:45 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:24:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vonage and other VOIP (Was routers) In-Reply-To: <001301c80067$f92f3070$6c7aa8c0@M90> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com><005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com> <001301c80067$f92f3070$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <46FAC00D.7020606@torchlake.com> Hi John, You wrote: > ================== > And I still would NEVER recommend Vonage to anyone! > ================== > . . . which reminded me that I have been meaning to ask you about your experience with VOIP phones. At first you seemed to really like Vonage. What was your experience? I'm considering getting some VOIP phone and don't want to do all the discovery for myself - I'd rather learn from other people's experience. Thanks, Tina From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 26 15:28:32 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:28:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: References: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com><001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001501c8007b$cef5c5d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> You are right about the speed being better than the internet. Even if the speed is severely degraded, a wireless will usually provide way more than your internet connection. My internet is 5 mbit / sec so FOR INTERNET BROWSING, anything more than that is unused. Of course I do dev work on my machine including pulling data out of files on my Server and feeding it through a VB.Net program and back to SQL Server. For that I need the fastest possible connection. So when I am at my desk I plug my laptop (which has a 1 gbit NIC) to a 1 gbit switch that all of my servers plug into. But if I just need the flexibility of moving downstairs I have it. And my wife's laptop is in her office downstairs and she is always wireless. One problem that I have is that my wireless is my hardware firewall as well. I really need to move my cable modem and wireless downstairs to the basement (for the best coverage of the main floor) but then I would have to snake a wired connection up to my second floor office to connect to my gigabit switch. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. GK On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 15:30:13 2007 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:30:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <002a01c8007b$22d91a90$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002a01c8007b$22d91a90$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: As the old saying goes. Your results may vary. I have had good connections using my neighbors router sometimes just to see if I could. Haven't tried recently so perhaps they have secured it by now. I know that I have seen 4 or more wireless routers sometimes when I go looking. Just seems odd that you couldn't connect in the same house. Did you ever try it with a different laptop in her office? Perhaps you were switching the wrong part of the puzzle? GK. On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Yeah, I could just never get a reliable connection in her office - just a > tad too far away with a kitchen in between with refrigerator, microwave, > etc. > > I tried the repeater - no joy. > > And she was getting....testy. > > So this solution was not only effective but waaaayyyy cheap. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers > > My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside > with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict > that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on > the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out > back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the > wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet > browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small > print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired > and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different > of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in > and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. > Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get > connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, > maybe once every 20 times. > > You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) > > I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the > computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the > wires. > > GK > > On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 > 8:02 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 26 15:47:58 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:47:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vonage and other VOIP (Was routers) In-Reply-To: <46FAC00D.7020606@torchlake.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com><005201c8005f$53e3a4a0$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com><001301c80067$f92f3070$6c7aa8c0@M90> <46FAC00D.7020606@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001601c8007e$86529ee0$6c7aa8c0@M90> I did like Vonage... until I needed tech support and then there was none. When you NEED your phone and you NEED a reliable VPN and you couldn't have both, well the phone had to go. Vonage is one of those companies that provide a basic service and if it works then you are happy. If it doesn't work then there is a mountain in your way and they are not going to be of any help getting past it. I used various VOIP services and they all had issues, mostly call quality. I now use Comcast phone over cable. So far I haven't had any issues but Comcast does not have a stellar rep for tech support. 8-( John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Vonage and other VOIP (Was routers) Hi John, You wrote: > ================== > And I still would NEVER recommend Vonage to anyone! > ================== > . . . which reminded me that I have been meaning to ask you about your experience with VOIP phones. At first you seemed to really like Vonage. What was your experience? I'm considering getting some VOIP phone and don't want to do all the discovery for myself - I'd rather learn from other people's experience. Thanks, Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 26 15:59:11 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:59:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c80080$16f49240$0301a8c0@HAL9005> She has a desktop. (well floortop, but I digress...) I could put the access point on a usb extension and get it up in the air and a few feet closer to the router. It helped. But it was always one sandwich shy of a picnic. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers As the old saying goes. Your results may vary. I have had good connections using my neighbors router sometimes just to see if I could. Haven't tried recently so perhaps they have secured it by now. I know that I have seen 4 or more wireless routers sometimes when I go looking. Just seems odd that you couldn't connect in the same house. Did you ever try it with a different laptop in her office? Perhaps you were switching the wrong part of the puzzle? GK. On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Yeah, I could just never get a reliable connection in her office - > just a tad too far away with a kitchen in between with refrigerator, > microwave, etc. > > I tried the repeater - no joy. > > And she was getting....testy. > > So this solution was not only effective but waaaayyyy cheap. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers > > My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even > outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would > severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, > out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, > upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far > away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as > a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable > modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't > notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we > were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I > usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. > Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get > connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very > infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. > > You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) > > I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the > computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over > the wires. > > GK > > On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 > 8:02 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 17:53:11 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:53:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46fae2c1.0f86460a.2cda.ffff8c87@mx.google.com> I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. ======It's definitely a problem -- we really don't want cables all over the place. Plus, we do have a laptop that Bill uses a lot, so that got us think wireless -- seems like a good solution for all the systems. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 18:00:31 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:00:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <001501c8007b$cef5c5d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <46fae477.1087460a.09de.ffff86aa@mx.google.com> Oh my God... I'm so glad I just write about stuff... ;) Susan H. One problem that I have is that my wireless is my hardware firewall as well. I really need to move my cable modem and wireless downstairs to the basement (for the best coverage of the main floor) but then I would have to snake a wired connection up to my second floor office to connect to my gigabit switch. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 26 21:22:31 2007 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:22:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4FBB2E1F4D1D4FAB9E7CF54D21E63F20@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: The top of the line wireless routers tend to have a wider range. It is not necessarily true though. I myself have a $7.00 wireless router and it works fine for the laptop around the house so I could not make a valid suggestion from experience... There is a new kid on the block called 'Eagle' and friends and acquaintances have been recommending them. These routers have directional antennas which they use for ferreting out remote open links and they are apparently very powerful.... up to a mile(?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] routers We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 26 21:14:05 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:14:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <001501c8007b$cef5c5d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> References: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com><001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <001501c8007b$cef5c5d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> Message-ID: <00e601c800ac$16aa17c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Sounds like a wireless repeater would help you out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers You are right about the speed being better than the internet. Even if the speed is severely degraded, a wireless will usually provide way more than your internet connection. My internet is 5 mbit / sec so FOR INTERNET BROWSING, anything more than that is unused. Of course I do dev work on my machine including pulling data out of files on my Server and feeding it through a VB.Net program and back to SQL Server. For that I need the fastest possible connection. So when I am at my desk I plug my laptop (which has a 1 gbit NIC) to a 1 gbit switch that all of my servers plug into. But if I just need the flexibility of moving downstairs I have it. And my wife's laptop is in her office downstairs and she is always wireless. One problem that I have is that my wireless is my hardware firewall as well. I really need to move my cable modem and wireless downstairs to the basement (for the best coverage of the main floor) but then I would have to snake a wired connection up to my second floor office to connect to my gigabit switch. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. GK On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Thu Sep 27 02:57:48 2007 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:57:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: Not necessarily... I've got a Cisco adaptor in my work laptop, and it seems to be able to pick up just about anything. Except in the hotel last night... On the other hand, I've found that the easiest routers to set up are Netgear ones, I've got a DG834PN (with the blue flashy LEDs on it), and it was just a case of uploading the setup file from my old DG834G onto it, and it worked. I've used Linksys and Belkin, and found them to either not work at all (Belkin) or be so difficult to work out (Linksys) that I gave up. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 26 September 2007 19:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers You are going to be connecting Desktop systems or Laptops? Do these systems have wireless adapters already? The laptops might or might not and the desktops most certainly do not and will need one of those. ========Both, and yes, we know they'll need adaptors. With those you might want to match the brand of wireless adapter that goes on the PC to the brand of wireless router so they are talking the same variation. For example in my situation with the Linksys 54G with Speed booster I would want to use the wireless adapter from Linksys that also has the speedbooster tag. I think that would be more important than matching the router to the modem. In my opinion. ========Thank you. :) Susan H> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com DISCLAIMER: The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for the recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk. ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ Registered In England and Wales No 4057291 From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 04:36:03 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:36:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They > seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm > wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? Susan, There is one thing no one mentioned. make sure that what ever wireless router and wireless network card you get are the same standard. 802.11a 802.11b 802.11g 802.11n I'd look for 802.11g gear myself. THat is the fastest that is a finalized standard. A & B are older, slower standards. N is the latest and greatest, but last time I checked it wasn't a finalized standard so different manufacturers gear may or may not play well with one another. Also the gear may or may not be upgradable to the latest "revision" of the "standard" -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Sep 27 06:50:26 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:50:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FB9902.9020509@torchlake.com> I note that no one has mentioned D-Link routers or adapters. Those are what I have and they have been just great. Has D-Link fallen out of favor? Tina Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 9/26/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> We have a linksys cable modem and we want to get a wireless router. They >> seem to come in all varieties -- linksys is the most expensive and I'm >> wondering if they're worth it. What do you guys use? >> > > Susan, > > There is one thing no one mentioned. make sure that what ever wireless > router and wireless network card you get are the same standard. > > 802.11a > 802.11b > 802.11g > 802.11n > > I'd look for 802.11g gear myself. THat is the fastest that is a > finalized standard. A & B are older, slower standards. N is the latest > and greatest, but last time I checked it wasn't a finalized standard > so different manufacturers gear may or may not play well with one > another. Also the gear may or may not be upgradable to the latest > "revision" of the "standard" > > From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 06:55:18 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:55:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46FB9902.9020509@torchlake.com> References: <46fa796b.2887460a.2c91.0f5b@mx.google.com> <46FB9902.9020509@torchlake.com> Message-ID: On 9/27/07, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I note that no one has mentioned D-Link routers or adapters. Those are > what I have and they have been just great. Has D-Link fallen out of favor? They have for me. I've got one that drops the wireless connection anytime there is too much traffic on it, like downloading a file, or podcasts or even e-mail sometimes. The core chip of the router gets too hot and just gives up the ghost for a second. Long enough to be a PITA. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 27 07:17:58 2007 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:17:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <00e601c800ac$16aa17c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <46fa8cf1.1486460a.687d.2d03@mx.google.com><001401c80076$9cb86410$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001501c8007b$cef5c5d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> <00e601c800ac$16aa17c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <003401c80100$71be16d0$6c7aa8c0@M90> I have looked at them. I am not a notwork guy but my reading is that the repeater effects the security in that it has a MAC address and thus "hides" the mac address trying to connect through it. I use MAC addresses to lock down access to my network, i.e. only specific mac addresses are allowed through the wireless. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:14 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers Sounds like a wireless repeater would help you out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers You are right about the speed being better than the internet. Even if the speed is severely degraded, a wireless will usually provide way more than your internet connection. My internet is 5 mbit / sec so FOR INTERNET BROWSING, anything more than that is unused. Of course I do dev work on my machine including pulling data out of files on my Server and feeding it through a VB.Net program and back to SQL Server. For that I need the fastest possible connection. So when I am at my desk I plug my laptop (which has a 1 gbit NIC) to a 1 gbit switch that all of my servers plug into. But if I just need the flexibility of moving downstairs I have it. And my wife's laptop is in her office downstairs and she is always wireless. One problem that I have is that my wireless is my hardware firewall as well. I really need to move my cable modem and wireless downstairs to the basement (for the best coverage of the main floor) but then I would have to snake a wired connection up to my second floor office to connect to my gigabit switch. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers My wife and I love the ability to move around the house and even outside with the laptops. Having only a wired connection would severely restrict that movement. I have done work out in the garage, out in the driveway, on the dining room table, on the kitchen table, upstairs in the bedroom and out back on the deck. Depending on how far away we are from the router the wireless connection is just as fast as a wired connection for Internet browsing. It is as fast as the cable modem connection speed is. For small print jobs you really don't notice any speed difference either between wired and wireless. If we were doing a lot of file sharing that would be different of course. I usually use my laptop in the same office that the router is in and could easily plug in a wire but really don't see a need to. Occasionally I have to click on a "repair connection" option to get connected when I come out of hibernation but that is very infrequently, maybe once every 20 times. You really had bad luck with wireless didn't you Rocky? ;-) I think Susan is concerned with having the wired connections to the computers with her grandchildren running about and maybe tripping over the wires. GK On 9/26/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > You need a connection to the router. Not necessarily wireless. If > you could run cable easily that would be better - faster, more > reliable. The Netgear is a good compromise, IMO. > > Rocky > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 27 07:24:18 2007 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:24:18 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers Message-ID: Hi Tina We have seen similar issues for the cheap models for so-ho use. Of course, not all models will behave like that. But the alternatives are too numerous, so we have dropped them - at least for a while. /gustav >>> carbonnb at gmail.com 27-09-2007 13:55 >>> On 9/27/07, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I note that no one has mentioned D-Link routers or adapters. Those are > what I have and they have been just great. Has D-Link fallen out of favor? They have for me. I've got one that drops the wireless connection anytime there is too much traffic on it, like downloading a file, or podcasts or even e-mail sometimes. The core chip of the router gets too hot and just gives up the ghost for a second. Long enough to be a PITA. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 08:07:29 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:07:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46fbaaf5.1286460a.4db6.ffffa789@mx.google.com> There is one thing no one mentioned. make sure that what ever wireless router and wireless network card you get are the same standard. 802.11a 802.11b 802.11g 802.11n =========I suppose that's on the outside of the box somewhere? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 08:07:29 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:07:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus Message-ID: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> I've been using AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition for about a year. Several days ago the Update Manager refused to turn red after rebooting. Now, I can't update. I try, but they're always unsuccessful. I've rebooted several times, but the Update Manager simply won't update itself. Since it's the free version, I'm sure there's no support for it. Has anyone ever run into this? Susan H. From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 08:29:56 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:29:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fbaaf5.1286460a.4db6.ffffa789@mx.google.com> References: <46fbaaf5.1286460a.4db6.ffffa789@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 9/27/07, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > There is one thing no one mentioned. make sure that what ever wireless > router and wireless network card you get are the same standard. > > 802.11a > 802.11b > 802.11g > 802.11n > > =========I suppose that's on the outside of the box somewhere? Should be. You will also probably see combos of them. Usually written like 802.11 a/b/g 802.11 b/g Something like that. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 27 08:59:11 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:59:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] routers In-Reply-To: <46fbaaf5.1286460a.4db6.ffffa789@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002101c8010e$949f0ac0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> And be sure you have your firewall up and secure your wireless with encryption: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070927/news_1b27zombie.html Protect yourself from the ZOMBIE PC MENACE!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] routers There is one thing no one mentioned. make sure that what ever wireless router and wireless network card you get are the same standard. 802.11a 802.11b 802.11g 802.11n =========I suppose that's on the outside of the box somewhere? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 27 09:01:18 2007 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:01:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002501c8010e$e0cdc210$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I'm using it. Happened to be at my computer last night for the regularly scheduled update. No problem. Ran the update just now - no problem. I'm using version 7.5 Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus I've been using AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition for about a year. Several days ago the Update Manager refused to turn red after rebooting. Now, I can't update. I try, but they're always unsuccessful. I've rebooted several times, but the Update Manager simply won't update itself. Since it's the free version, I'm sure there's no support for it. Has anyone ever run into this? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 27 09:24:15 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:24:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> References: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013b01c80112$17924480$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Hi Susan, I haven't had any problems with it. You may need to upgrade to 7.5 if you're on an older version of AVG Free. Here's a link: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/downloads-products/us/frt/0?prd=aff -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus I've been using AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition for about a year. Several days ago the Update Manager refused to turn red after rebooting. Now, I can't update. I try, but they're always unsuccessful. I've rebooted several times, but the Update Manager simply won't update itself. Since it's the free version, I'm sure there's no support for it. Has anyone ever run into this? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 09:39:15 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:39:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> References: <46fbaafb.1286460a.4db6.ffffa796@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FBC093.20208@earthlink.net> Susan, I've seen that with AVG a few times; in each case it stopped after SpyBotS&D cleaned up the machine. PB ----- Susan Harkins wrote: > I've been using AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition for about a year. Several days > ago the Update Manager refused to turn red after rebooting. Now, I can't > update. I try, but they're always unsuccessful. I've rebooted several times, > but the Update Manager simply won't update itself. > > Since it's the free version, I'm sure there's no support for it. > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 10:18:05 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:18:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46FBC093.20208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46fbc995.2187460a.1719.ffffd725@mx.google.com> Well, I do run SpyBot occasionally, but I've been running them together for a long time. When that happened to you, how did you fix it? Susan H. Susan, I've seen that with AVG a few times; in each case it stopped after SpyBotS&D cleaned up the machine. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 10:18:05 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:18:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <013b01c80112$17924480$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <46fbc9a0.2187460a.1719.ffffd738@mx.google.com> I'm using 7.5. :( Susan H. Hi Susan, I haven't had any problems with it. You may need to upgrade to 7.5 if you're on an older version of AVG Free. Here's a link: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/downloads-products/us/frt/0?prd=aff I've been using AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition for about a year. Several days ago the Update Manager refused to turn red after rebooting. Now, I can't update. I try, but they're always unsuccessful. I've rebooted several times, but the Update Manager simply won't update itself. Since it's the free version, I'm sure there's no support for it. Has anyone ever run into this? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 11:14:57 2007 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:14:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46fbc995.2187460a.1719.ffffd725@mx.google.com> References: <46fbc995.2187460a.1719.ffffd725@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net> Hi Susan, SpyBotS&D got rid of the junk, AVG returned to behaving correctly, I did nothing :-) P. Susan Harkins wrote: > Well, I do run SpyBot occasionally, but I've been running them together for > a long time. > > When that happened to you, how did you fix it? > > Susan H. > > Susan, > > I've seen that with AVG a few times; in each case it stopped after SpyBotS&D > cleaned up the machine. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 13:42:16 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:42:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46fbf982.1387460a.3848.2495@mx.google.com> OH! When you said "stopped" I thought you meant it stopped working correctly after SpyBot -- I totally misunderstood. Thanks -- I'll run SB and see what happens. Thanks! Susan H. Hi Susan, SpyBotS&D got rid of the junk, AVG returned to behaving correctly, I did nothing :-) P. Susan Harkins wrote: > Well, I do run SpyBot occasionally, but I've been running them > together for a long time. > > When that happened to you, how did you fix it? > > Susan H. > > Susan, > > I've seen that with AVG a few times; in each case it stopped after > SpyBotS&D cleaned up the machine. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 28 10:37:38 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:37:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel can't multiply Message-ID: <011601c801e5$80079be0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Ee-gads! What next? Maybe a Spell Check that doesn't work correctly ;o) http://www.appscout.com/2007/09/excel_cant_multiply.php From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 21:30:20 2007 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1216760869.1191033020640.JavaMail.app@com03.prod> Discussion, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. -Arthur Learn more: https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/145190035/YKI3loGQ/ ------------------------------------------ "Increasingly, if you're not LinkedIn, you're left out." --Business 2.0 ------ (c) 2007, LinkedIn Corporation From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Sep 29 08:36:36 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:36:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel can't multiply In-Reply-To: <011601c801e5$80079be0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <011601c801e5$80079be0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <46FE54E4.6030406@torchlake.com> John, Thanks for alerting us - I've passed the link along to the college I work for. Tina John Bartow wrote: > Ee-gads! What next? Maybe a Spell Check that doesn't work correctly ;o) > > http://www.appscout.com/2007/09/excel_cant_multiply.php > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From eptept at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 19:23:56 2007 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:23:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sounds fro my Laptop Message-ID: <4f4bf9510709291723x189daa68r3f92cd1bb8ebb3b5@mail.gmail.com> Hello, There's just some setting on my laptop that has turned off the sounds HP want $35 just to talk to me. Any Ideas? From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Sep 29 19:44:59 2007 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:44:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sounds fro my Laptop In-Reply-To: <4f4bf9510709291723x189daa68r3f92cd1bb8ebb3b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f4bf9510709291723x189daa68r3f92cd1bb8ebb3b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FEF18B.8060004@torchlake.com> Hi Ed, Well, take a look inside Control Panel at Sounds and Audio Devices and see if everything's been muted or if there's a selected or default sound scheme. On my Dell, there's a button that I sometimes bump into that mutes everything - does your HP have something like that? HTH, Tina Ed Tesiny wrote: > Hello, > There's just some setting on my laptop that has turned off the sounds HP > want $35 just to talk to me. Any Ideas? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 15:13:50 2007 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:13:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com> Didn't work for me, but, the latest definitions did download and install. I can only hope that some flag is screwed up and that the software is actually working. Susan H. Hi Susan, SpyBotS&D got rid of the junk, AVG returned to behaving correctly, I did nothing :-) From john at winhaven.net Sun Sep 30 17:48:37 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:48:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com> References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net> <47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Susan, I'd suggest you uninstall and reinstall. It just isn't worth not having it running correctly. In case you need to re-download it: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/downloads-products/us/frt/0?prd=aff I'd suggest you run an online scan for spyware etc at AVG's site. http://www.ewido.net/en/onlinescan/ Also you can download a free root kit detector from AVG now that works as well as any. (Just had to remove a root kit and used it.) http://free.grisoft.com/doc/download-free-anti-rootkit/us/frt/0 HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Didn't work for me, but, the latest definitions did download and install. I can only hope that some flag is screwed up and that the software is actually working. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 19:13:56 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:13:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: <032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net> <47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com> <032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: On 9/30/07, John Bartow wrote: > Susan, > I'd suggest you uninstall and reinstall. It just isn't worth not having it > running correctly. In case you need to re-download it: > http://free.grisoft.com/doc/downloads-products/us/frt/0?prd=aff I wouldn't uninstall and reinstall just yet. Try seeing if it will catch the eicar "virus". Have a look at http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm to create your own eicar virus file, or download it prebuilt. The eicar virus is easy to create. It's 68 acsii characters that is the standard test virus to use to make sure your AV is functioning. Just copy and paste this: X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* into a plain text file as one line, no line breaks and save it as eicar.com. This is a real executable file once saved. All it does is print: EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE! to a DOS box, but it's the standard test virus. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From john at winhaven.net Sun Sep 30 21:04:03 2007 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:04:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Avg Anti-Virus In-Reply-To: References: <46FBD701.20407@earthlink.net><47000360.2286460a.449a.ffffb548@mx.google.com><032201c803b4$0a0a4160$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Message-ID: <037201c803cf$572400b0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq> Good point. I was thinking one of "extra" features such as email or archive scanning was corrupted. Trying to fix it would take a lot of time and questions. Unistalling and reinstalling would be easy :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell I wouldn't uninstall and reinstall just yet. Try seeing if it will catch the eicar "virus". Have a look at http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm to create your own eicar virus file, or download it prebuilt.