From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 08:38:38 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:38:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? Message-ID: <010601c893fe$bc451780$4b3a8343@SusanOne> What's a USB "key?" I've never heard the term before. Susan H. From rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com Tue Apr 1 08:53:36 2008 From: rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com (rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:53:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? In-Reply-To: <010601c893fe$bc451780$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0F978DF74B416B44A351B9143EB0FD33046E468D@MUKPBCC1XMB0103.collab.barclayscorp.com> A memory stick, aka flash drive. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 April 2008 14:39 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? What's a USB "key?" I've never heard the term before. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Bank PLC.Registered in England and Wales (registered no. 1026167). Registered Office: 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP, United Kingdom. Barclays Bank PLC is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 08:59:45 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? References: <0F978DF74B416B44A351B9143EB0FD33046E468D@MUKPBCC1XMB0103.collab.barclayscorp.com> Message-ID: <012701c89400$d5cf90c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Well, I thought that, but clearly, I'm confused by the "solar" business. Thank you! Susan H. >A memory stick, aka flash drive. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Apr 1 09:11:45 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:11:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? Message-ID: Hi Susan Order one and you'll find out! (Offer only valid for the US and Canada, too bad) /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 01-04-2008 15:38 >>> What's a USB "key?" I've never heard the term before. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 09:43:22 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:43:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can someone tell me what this is? References: Message-ID: <002c01c89407$0a69ffe0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I already did. :) Susan H. > Hi Susan > > Order one and you'll find out! > > (Offer only valid for the US and Canada, too bad) From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 1 12:54:23 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:54:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information Message-ID: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 13:23:52 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:23:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: Was it one of these which where posted in response to Arthur's question on Feb 28th about showing what kind of ram was in a system without opening the box? http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/ >From John Robinson or http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php >From Helmut GK On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:54 PM, jwcolby wrote: > A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed > pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a > little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the > program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to > do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this > thing! > > Does anyone remember what it was? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Apr 1 15:18:29 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:18:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters> But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready for that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 1 16:28:11 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:28:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> <002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> LOL. I am ready for that (I guess). I am going to have a router and can put it on the network. I will really just say a prayer at the opening (remember this is a church group) that WHS doesn't have any problems that needs my attention. ;-) What I am trying to do is give out church members a place where THEY can learn how to do stuff on their own computers, using what I know. I am accumulating a bunch of the "gotta have" programs, everything from malware checkers to Avs, firewalls and even things like Hamachi and VNC. I will then show them whatever they need to know, including how to add memory (or test it with Memtest086 disks I have made) - stuff like that. We shall see, and I hope I am not overwhelmed the first night. There are a LOT of people who have no clue how to do stuff and I don't want to work on each person's computer at their house. Maybe I can start a little "self help" group there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready for that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:55:05 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:55:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90> <002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters> <001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: And you can tell them about the dba-tech list. That ought to confuse them. ;-) GK On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:28 PM, jwcolby wrote: > LOL. I am ready for that (I guess). I am going to have a router and can > put it on the network. I will really just say a prayer at the opening > (remember this is a church group) that WHS doesn't have any problems that > needs my attention. ;-) > > What I am trying to do is give out church members a place where THEY can > learn how to do stuff on their own computers, using what I know. I am > accumulating a bunch of the "gotta have" programs, everything from malware > checkers to Avs, firewalls and even things like Hamachi and VNC. I will > then show them whatever they need to know, including how to add memory (or > test it with Memtest086 disks I have made) - stuff like that. > > We shall see, and I hope I am not overwhelmed the first night. There are a > LOT of people who have no clue how to do stuff and I don't want to work on > each person's computer at their house. Maybe I can start a little "self > help" group there. > > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information > > But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready > for that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information > > A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed > pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a > little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the > program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to > do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this > thing! > > Does anyone remember what it was? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Apr 1 17:20:38 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:20:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90><002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters> <001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <003c01c89446$9d682990$0300a8c0@danwaters> I think being in a church is a great place for tech support. Now, when you pray while you're pushing the Start button, it probably will! Have fun! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information LOL. I am ready for that (I guess). I am going to have a router and can put it on the network. I will really just say a prayer at the opening (remember this is a church group) that WHS doesn't have any problems that needs my attention. ;-) What I am trying to do is give out church members a place where THEY can learn how to do stuff on their own computers, using what I know. I am accumulating a bunch of the "gotta have" programs, everything from malware checkers to Avs, firewalls and even things like Hamachi and VNC. I will then show them whatever they need to know, including how to add memory (or test it with Memtest086 disks I have made) - stuff like that. We shall see, and I hope I am not overwhelmed the first night. There are a LOT of people who have no clue how to do stuff and I don't want to work on each person's computer at their house. Maybe I can start a little "self help" group there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready for that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Apr 1 17:27:28 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <003c01c89446$9d682990$0300a8c0@danwaters> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90><002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters><001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90> <003c01c89446$9d682990$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <004501c89447$91a09bf0$0200a8c0@jt2c> That might be true, but the "fixing computers by swearing at them" stall is going to be a bit empty! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 01 April 2008 23:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information I think being in a church is a great place for tech support. Now, when you pray while you're pushing the Start button, it probably will! Have fun! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information LOL. I am ready for that (I guess). I am going to have a router and can put it on the network. I will really just say a prayer at the opening (remember this is a church group) that WHS doesn't have any problems that needs my attention. ;-) What I am trying to do is give out church members a place where THEY can learn how to do stuff on their own computers, using what I know. I am accumulating a bunch of the "gotta have" programs, everything from malware checkers to Avs, firewalls and even things like Hamachi and VNC. I will then show them whatever they need to know, including how to add memory (or test it with Memtest086 disks I have made) - stuff like that. We shall see, and I hope I am not overwhelmed the first night. There are a LOT of people who have no clue how to do stuff and I don't want to work on each person's computer at their house. Maybe I can start a little "self help" group there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready for that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. 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Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 1 20:03:10 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information In-Reply-To: <004501c89447$91a09bf0$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <000101c89421$6bc76380$0201a8c0@M90><002501c89435$8d10dfd0$0300a8c0@danwaters><001201c8943f$49d0f2a0$0201a8c0@M90><003c01c89446$9d682990$0300a8c0@danwaters> <004501c89447$91a09bf0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <001c01c8945d$52440d00$0201a8c0@M90> LOL, yea, we'll ask them to step outside to howl at the moon. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:27 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information That might be true, but the "fixing computers by swearing at them" stall is going to be a bit empty! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 01 April 2008 23:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information I think being in a church is a great place for tech support. Now, when you pray while you're pushing the Start button, it probably will! Have fun! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information LOL. I am ready for that (I guess). I am going to have a router and can put it on the network. I will really just say a prayer at the opening (remember this is a church group) that WHS doesn't have any problems that needs my attention. ;-) What I am trying to do is give out church members a place where THEY can learn how to do stuff on their own computers, using what I know. I am accumulating a bunch of the "gotta have" programs, everything from malware checkers to Avs, firewalls and even things like Hamachi and VNC. I will then show them whatever they need to know, including how to add memory (or test it with Memtest086 disks I have made) - stuff like that. We shall see, and I hope I am not overwhelmed the first night. There are a LOT of people who have no clue how to do stuff and I don't want to work on each person's computer at their house. Maybe I can start a little "self help" group there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PC Information But John - what if someone brings in a Microsoft Home Server? Are you ready for that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Information A few weeks ago someone recommended a really sweet program that displayed pretty much everything system related that you would ever want to know in a little windows utility. Of course I cannot find the email anywhere, nor the program (though I did download it and look at it). I am getting prepared to do a free "computer repair" workshop at my Church Friday night and need this thing! Does anyone remember what it was? John W. 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Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Apr 2 07:43:18 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:43:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux VM server software Message-ID: <003901c894bf$217e9f70$0201a8c0@M90> I am looking seriously at running much of my stuff in virtual machines. VMs run on a server system, and VMWare's VMs don't care whether they run on Windows servers or Linux servers. Since the Linux OS has much lighter demands in terms of memory footprint and CPU it seems like an obvious Host OS. Does anyone here have experience in running Linux specifically for the purpose of hosting VMWare VMs? Also does anyone know about assigning CPUs to the VMs and the effects of the host OS? I have a quad core and I need to know if it is legal to assign 2 cores to each of two virtual machines? What if I have three virtual machines, can I assign two cores to each machine? IOW will the VM server software sort out the results or will it crash and burn? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 08:35:34 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:35:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outllook Shortcuts question Message-ID: <017001c894c6$71238d90$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I added a folder to the Outlooks Shortcuts list but it doesn't list the subfolders. I've checked Help, but I'm not finding anything that says a shortcut group can't handle a folder with subfolders. Susan H. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Apr 2 13:29:55 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:29:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux VM server software In-Reply-To: <003901c894bf$217e9f70$0201a8c0@M90> References: <003901c894bf$217e9f70$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47F3D0A3.5010707@torchlake.com> John, I don't know yet, although I may know a bunch more about it by the time I finish H-P's three Linux courses. But, I sure would like to know the answer, too. Hope somebody on this list can tell us. Tina jwcolby wrote: > I am looking seriously at running much of my stuff in virtual machines. VMs > run on a server system, and VMWare's VMs don't care whether they run on > Windows servers or Linux servers. Since the Linux OS has much lighter > demands in terms of memory footprint and CPU it seems like an obvious Host > OS. Does anyone here have experience in running Linux specifically for the > purpose of hosting VMWare VMs? > > Also does anyone know about assigning CPUs to the VMs and the effects of the > host OS? I have a quad core and I need to know if it is legal to assign 2 > cores to each of two virtual machines? What if I have three virtual > machines, can I assign two cores to each machine? IOW will the VM server > software sort out the results or will it crash and burn? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Apr 3 09:56:59 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:56:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all Message-ID: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90> I ran across this in one of the newsletters I get. I read it with amusement, but after a little reflection I realized I too have a bit of this "new man". In order to survive in this high tech world it takes a bit of "I can do that" attitude when faced with stuff we have never seen before. Of course we then actually go figure it out and do it. http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/opinion-pieces/the-new-man/ John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Apr 3 11:16:31 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:16:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all In-Reply-To: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90> References: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: This business is getting so that no one is really an expert at anything. There is no product that you can learn thoroughly and make a career of it. ...and you never no what product has staying power. So everyone is in the: "I never saw this product until last week and now I am an expert." Mode. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all I ran across this in one of the newsletters I get. I read it with amusement, but after a little reflection I realized I too have a bit of this "new man". In order to survive in this high tech world it takes a bit of "I can do that" attitude when faced with stuff we have never seen before. Of course we then actually go figure it out and do it. http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/opinion-pieces/the-new-man/ John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 11:14:05 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:14:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all References: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <012d01c895a5$bfcbb500$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I wrote about this in the introduction to one of my books -- the one on Dreamweaver MX -- how technology is snowballing and we're all struggling to keep up. The editor said it was the best intro he'd ever read. :) It's also the main reason I started writing for kids -- I am just really tired of the struggle to keep up or become obsolete. Susan H. > This business is getting so that no one is really an expert at anything. > There is no product that you can learn thoroughly and make a career of it. > ...and you never no what product has staying power. > > So everyone is in the: "I never saw this product until last week and now I > am an expert." Mode. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 12:50:04 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:50:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question Message-ID: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Is there anyone to turn off Overtype mode permanently -- so that even if you press Insert or click OVR, you can still insert instead of overwriting existing text. This behavior drives me nuts. I never use Overtype mode, yet, I managed to toggle it on all the time. Susan H. From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 12:55:59 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:55:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question In-Reply-To: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Pry the INSERT KEY off the keyboard ? After turning it back on of course. ;-) GK On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Is there anyone to turn off Overtype mode permanently -- so that even if you press Insert or click OVR, you can still insert instead of overwriting existing text. This behavior drives me nuts. I never use Overtype mode, yet, I managed to toggle it on all the time. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Apr 3 13:03:12 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:03:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all In-Reply-To: <012d01c895a5$bfcbb500$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90> <012d01c895a5$bfcbb500$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <2BD3F2B1465C4AF4A277D8D4A8C309F7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: I have your book and read the intro again and realized how pertinent it is today's computer world. I was wondering if a revised copy of the intro (removing references about Dreamweaver MX) could be used on the DBA web site. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all I wrote about this in the introduction to one of my books -- the one on Dreamweaver MX -- how technology is snowballing and we're all struggling to keep up. The editor said it was the best intro he'd ever read. :) It's also the main reason I started writing for kids -- I am just really tired of the struggle to keep up or become obsolete. Susan H. > This business is getting so that no one is really an expert at anything. > There is no product that you can learn thoroughly and make a career of it. > ...and you never no what product has staying power. > > So everyone is in the: "I never saw this product until last week and now I > am an expert." Mode. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 12:58:41 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question References: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <01d901c895b4$ac930fb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> You are SO much help -- saw your driver's license online the other day! You are SO good looking!!! ;) Susan H. > Pry the INSERT KEY off the keyboard ? After turning it back on of course. > ;-) > > GK From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:00:56 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:00:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all References: <000301c8959a$f8774f50$0601a8c0@M90><012d01c895a5$bfcbb500$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <2BD3F2B1465C4AF4A277D8D4A8C309F7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01da01c895b4$ad39d700$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Jim, I have no idea -- I don't have a copyright to it, but the publisher might let you publish it with the appropriate credits. Sybex is now owned by Wiley (I think) and I don't have any contact with them anymore. The editors I worked with probably aren't even there anymore. I wouldn't know how to begin that search. Susan H. > Hi Susan: > > I have your book and read the intro again and realized how pertinent it is > today's computer world. I was wondering if a revised copy of the intro > (removing references about Dreamweaver MX) could be used on the DBA web > site. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:14 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] It kinds of describes us all > > I wrote about this in the introduction to one of my books -- the one on > Dreamweaver MX -- how technology is snowballing and we're all struggling > to > keep up. The editor said it was the best intro he'd ever read. :) > > It's also the main reason I started writing for kids -- I am just really > tired of the struggle to keep up or become obsolete. > > Susan H. > > >> This business is getting so that no one is really an expert at anything. >> There is no product that you can learn thoroughly and make a career of >> it. >> ...and you never no what product has staying power. >> >> So everyone is in the: "I never saw this product until last week and now >> I >> am an expert." Mode. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:08:21 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:08:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question In-Reply-To: <01d901c895b4$ac930fb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <01d901c895b4$ac930fb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: I've had a haircut since that picture. Actually had ALL of them cut. Oh, this isn't OT is it ? Sorry. GK On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > You are SO much help -- saw your driver's license online the other day! You > are SO good looking!!! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > > Pry the INSERT KEY off the keyboard ? After turning it back on of course. > > ;-) > > > > GK > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:12:53 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:12:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question In-Reply-To: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Could you remap the keyboard to not allow that Insert Key to turn off the Insert mode. Microsoft has a keyboard remapper program called Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4 available here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8be579aa-780d-4253-9e0a-e17e51db2223&DisplayLang=en GK On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Is there anyone to turn off Overtype mode permanently -- so that even if you press Insert or click OVR, you can still insert instead of overwriting existing text. This behavior drives me nuts. I never use Overtype mode, yet, I managed to toggle it on all the time. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:19:13 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:19:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Overtype mode question References: <01cc01c895b3$45ec0740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <020101c895b7$3b4ff9f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Egad.... well, it might work... thanks for the link. Susan H. > Could you remap the keyboard to not allow that Insert Key to turn off > the Insert mode. Microsoft has a keyboard remapper program called > Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4 available here > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8be579aa-780d-4253-9e0a-e17e51db2223&DisplayLang=en > > GK > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Susan Harkins > wrote: >> Is there anyone to turn off Overtype mode permanently -- so that even if >> you press Insert or click OVR, you can still insert instead of >> overwriting existing text. This behavior drives me nuts. I never use >> Overtype mode, yet, I managed to toggle it on all the time. >> >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Fri Apr 4 03:39:17 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:39:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 4 04:52:01 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:52:01 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Message-ID: Hi John Thanks for that info. As I read it, these passed the test: AEC Trustport Antivirus AVG Avira AntiVir CA eTrust Antivirus CA Internet Security Check Point Zone Alarm ESET NOD32 Antivirus Fortinet FortiClient Frisk F-PROT Antivirus F-Secure Client Security G DATA AntiVirus 2008 Kaspersky Anti-Virus Kingsoft Internet Security 2008 Microsoft Forefront Client Security Microsoft Windows Live OneCare MWTI eScan Internet Security Redstone Redprotect Symantec Norton Anti-Virus /gustav >>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 04-04-2008 10:39 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 4 08:08:32 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:08:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c89654$fd5cb630$0601a8c0@M90> Gustav, Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Could you get a list of those that fail? I tried to register and can't. Plus it is 1.1 SECOND tracert just to get there. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John Thanks for that info. As I read it, these passed the test: AEC Trustport Antivirus AVG Avira AntiVir CA eTrust Antivirus CA Internet Security Check Point Zone Alarm ESET NOD32 Antivirus Fortinet FortiClient Frisk F-PROT Antivirus F-Secure Client Security G DATA AntiVirus 2008 Kaspersky Anti-Virus Kingsoft Internet Security 2008 Microsoft Forefront Client Security Microsoft Windows Live OneCare MWTI eScan Internet Security Redstone Redprotect Symantec Norton Anti-Virus /gustav >>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 04-04-2008 10:39 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 4 08:34:12 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:34:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Message-ID: Hi John > Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. When you have reached Z, start over this time with the next character and so on ... pretty basic would some say. Seriously, those that failed are all the others (yes, you guessed that but read on please) with a couple of failures only, except for one obscure product (which I've never heard of) which failed for about 85% of the samples (= useless). /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-04-2008 15:08 >>> Gustav, Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Could you get a list of those that fail? I tried to register and can't. Plus it is 1.1 SECOND tracert just to get there. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John Thanks for that info. As I read it, these passed the test: AEC Trustport Antivirus AVG Avira AntiVir CA eTrust Antivirus CA Internet Security Check Point Zone Alarm ESET NOD32 Antivirus Fortinet FortiClient Frisk F-PROT Antivirus F-Secure Client Security G DATA AntiVirus 2008 Kaspersky Anti-Virus Kingsoft Internet Security 2008 Microsoft Forefront Client Security Microsoft Windows Live OneCare MWTI eScan Internet Security Redstone Redprotect Symantec Norton Anti-Virus /gustav >>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 04-04-2008 10:39 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 4 09:10:21 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:10:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301c8965d$9f17ef50$0601a8c0@M90> ROTFL. >Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. Duh... Unfortunately I am unable to get in to read the actual report. Usually they all fail some and are ranked in order of effectiveness or something. So basically if they fail anything they hit the "failed" list? I was wondering if they rated Comodo Antivirus. For some reason it is either unknown or ignored by many such tests. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:34 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John > Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. When you have reached Z, start over this time with the next character and so on ... pretty basic would some say. Seriously, those that failed are all the others (yes, you guessed that but read on please) with a couple of failures only, except for one obscure product (which I've never heard of) which failed for about 85% of the samples (= useless). /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-04-2008 15:08 >>> Gustav, Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Could you get a list of those that fail? I tried to register and can't. Plus it is 1.1 SECOND tracert just to get there. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John Thanks for that info. As I read it, these passed the test: AEC Trustport Antivirus AVG Avira AntiVir CA eTrust Antivirus CA Internet Security Check Point Zone Alarm ESET NOD32 Antivirus Fortinet FortiClient Frisk F-PROT Antivirus F-Secure Client Security G DATA AntiVirus 2008 Kaspersky Anti-Virus Kingsoft Internet Security 2008 Microsoft Forefront Client Security Microsoft Windows Live OneCare MWTI eScan Internet Security Redstone Redprotect Symantec Norton Anti-Virus /gustav >>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 04-04-2008 10:39 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 4 09:22:46 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:22:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Message-ID: Hi John Comodo does not seem to have been tested. Here is the failure list: Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: Agnitum Outpost Security Suite Pro Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Ahnlab V3 Failure reason: 19 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Alwil avast! Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: BitDefender AntiVirus 2008 Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Bullguard Failure reason: 47 wildlist misses Product name: Doctor Web Dr.Web Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses Product name: Hauri ViRobot Failure reason: 24 wildlist misses, 6 false positives Product name: Ikarus Virus Utilities Failure reason: 19 wildlist misses, 2 false positives Product name: K7 Total Security Failure reason: 1 wildlist miss Product name: McAfee VirusScan Enterprise Failure reason: 1 false positive Product name: Norman Virus Control Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: PC Tools Antivirus Failure reason: 2 false positives Product name: Quick Heal Anti-Virus Lite Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Rising Antivirus Failure reason: 859 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Security Coverage PC Live Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Sophos Anti-Virus Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses, 2 false positives Product name: Trend Micro Internet Security Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: VirusBuster Professional Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Webroot Spysweeper with Antivirus >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-04-2008 16:10 >>> ROTFL. >Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. Duh... Unfortunately I am unable to get in to read the actual report. Usually they all fail some and are ranked in order of effectiveness or something. So basically if they fail anything they hit the "failed" list? I was wondering if they rated Comodo Antivirus. For some reason it is either unknown or ignored by many such tests. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 4 09:31:01 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:31:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401c89660$8216d3a0$0601a8c0@M90> Thanks! John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:23 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John Comodo does not seem to have been tested. Here is the failure list: Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: Agnitum Outpost Security Suite Pro Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Ahnlab V3 Failure reason: 19 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Alwil avast! Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: BitDefender AntiVirus 2008 Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Bullguard Failure reason: 47 wildlist misses Product name: Doctor Web Dr.Web Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses Product name: Hauri ViRobot Failure reason: 24 wildlist misses, 6 false positives Product name: Ikarus Virus Utilities Failure reason: 19 wildlist misses, 2 false positives Product name: K7 Total Security Failure reason: 1 wildlist miss Product name: McAfee VirusScan Enterprise Failure reason: 1 false positive Product name: Norman Virus Control Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: PC Tools Antivirus Failure reason: 2 false positives Product name: Quick Heal Anti-Virus Lite Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Rising Antivirus Failure reason: 859 wildlist misses, 1 false positive Product name: Security Coverage PC Live Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Sophos Anti-Virus Failure reason: 3 wildlist misses, 2 false positives Product name: Trend Micro Internet Security Failure reason: 4 wildlist misses Product name: VirusBuster Professional Failure reason: 2 wildlist misses Product name: Webroot Spysweeper with Antivirus >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-04-2008 16:10 >>> ROTFL. >Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first >character and move through the list. Duh... Unfortunately I am unable to get in to read the actual report. Usually they all fail some and are ranked in order of effectiveness or something. So basically if they fail anything they hit the "failed" list? I was wondering if they rated Comodo Antivirus. For some reason it is either unknown or ignored by many such tests. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 10:11:26 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Message-ID: <520577.82381.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Could it be Comodo just built their own interface to someone else's av engine? I've heard of others building on the kaspersky engine, which has been rated. ----- Original Message ---- From: jwcolby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 9:10:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests ROTFL. >Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. Duh... Unfortunately I am unable to get in to read the actual report. Usually they all fail some and are ranked in order of effectiveness or something. So basically if they fail anything they hit the "failed" list? I was wondering if they rated Comodo Antivirus. For some reason it is either unknown or ignored by many such tests. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:34 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John > Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Indeed. Alphabetical(!) You know, you start with A for the first character and move through the list. When you have reached Z, start over this time with the next character and so on ... pretty basic would some say. Seriously, those that failed are all the others (yes, you guessed that but read on please) with a couple of failures only, except for one obscure product (which I've never heard of) which failed for about 85% of the samples (= useless). /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-04-2008 15:08 >>> Gustav, Are those sorted in order of effectiveness or anything? Could you get a list of those that fail? I tried to register and can't. Plus it is 1.1 SECOND tracert just to get there. Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:52 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trend,Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests Hi John Thanks for that info. As I read it, these passed the test: AEC Trustport Antivirus AVG Avira AntiVir CA eTrust Antivirus CA Internet Security Check Point Zone Alarm ESET NOD32 Antivirus Fortinet FortiClient Frisk F-PROT Antivirus F-Secure Client Security G DATA AntiVirus 2008 Kaspersky Anti-Virus Kingsoft Internet Security 2008 Microsoft Forefront Client Security Microsoft Windows Live OneCare MWTI eScan Internet Security Redstone Redprotect Symantec Norton Anti-Virus /gustav >>> jon.tydda at alcontrol.com 04-04-2008 10:39 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 4 11:59:10 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:59:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the heads up Jon. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Trend, Sophos and McAfee flunk Vista SP1 anti-virus tests http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/vista_sp1_av_tests/ Top tier anti-virus vendors including McAfee, Trend Micro, and Sophos all failed to secure Windows Vista SP1 in recent independent tests. Virus Bulletin, the independent security certification body, said 17 of 37 anti-virus products tested failed to reach the VB100 certification standard. McAfee VirusScan, Trend Micro Internet Security and Sophos Anti-Virus overlooked threats known to be in circulation. Other vendors whose products failed to make the grade included Alwil, BitDefender, Norman, PC Tools, and VirusBuster. Some of the ignored threats - largely polymorphic file infectors - have been in circulation for months. "It is disappointing to see so many products tripping up over threats that are not even new - computer users should be getting a better service from their anti-virus vendors than this," Virus Bulletin technical consultant John Hawes said. Products from Symantec, Microsoft (which has problems in the past in previous VB100 tests), AVG, and Kaspersky Lab all passed. Although still lagging behind Windows XP, Vista is likely to see more widespread use with the introduction of its first service pack, making it more important for anti-virus vendors to deliver dependable protection for the platform. Vista SP1 came out in mid March. Virus Bulletin's VB100 tests pit each anti-virus product against a set of viruses from the WildList, a publicly available up-to-date list of viruses known to be circulating. To earn VB100 certification, products must be able to detect all the viruses contained in the WildList test set without generating false alarms when scanning a set of clean files. Unlike other certification schemes, Virus Bulletin tests all products free of charge and does not allow re-testing. Virus Bulletin's comparative reviews also cover detection rates against a selection of zoo viruses (those not seen outside the laboratory), scanning speeds, and computational overheads. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 4 12:14:27 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:14:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7580F62BB9194F06A153530F11535360@creativesystemdesigns.com> My son-in-law found that he could buy the a Mac notebook for the cheapest price with best performance. He is a Linux nut (Ubuntu) but uses Windows (XP only) on occasions and never uses the Mac OS. With a product calleed Parallel He can copy info easily between all environments so he is very happy. Check out the video on the application: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHzOtfThd_4 He says it is well worth the dollars. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 14:04:49 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:04:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Path Message-ID: <29f585dd0804041204h51bf7ebdia8600f64604c05cb@mail.gmail.com> At my ripe old age, I am pondering becoming a manager of software projects rather than a developer of same. I have occasionally led a team of developers toward a project goal, but more often been the principal developer of a project. I am wondering how to make the leap. While realizing that this is a list for developers, I also think that this might be the best place to ask this question. I know a lot about Access. I know a little about .NET. I know a fair amount about PHP and Python Ruby and Ruby on Rails. I know a little about some strange languages used by very few, including OCaml. I have only occasionally been team-lead in a multi-developer project. I think I did pretty well in them. So how does one go from Developer to Manager of Developers? I think that I'm growing too old to be there in the trenches of develpment, and yet that's what I love and know best. But I think that the young recent graduates have the "stay up until it works" enthusiasm that I no longer have, although that's not always true; I've recently spent 40 hours solid at the box solving a particularly difficult problem, and couldn't quit until I finally cornered the ornery pig and wrestled him down. But perhaps a younger, brighter person could have wrestled said pig down much more quickly than I, which leads to a rather sickening and embarrassing conclusion (following the Peter Principle): the best thing to do with Arthur is promote him. So, how to become a manager of programmers who are far more gifted in languages that I know a little about? How does one go from Here to There? How do I admit in my resume that I know a fair amount about the abstract language of programming but perhaps nothing at all about the language your project is using? What are the credentials of a Project Manager? I am particularly interested in asking this question here, since you are all programmers, which perhaps turns the question into "What values would you desire in your project manager?". One could trivialize this question into, "Just learn MS-Project" but that is hardly the point. Any fool can write a critical path. That's not the issue at all. As I see it (and admittedly I know nothing about the subject), there are two issues|perspectives: 1. Tell the team what needs to be done and how quickly. 2. Tell the superiors why it cannot possibly happen in said time-frame + expense-dollars. On both sides, I am guaranteed to meet resistance. Developers will say, "Impossible!" Superiors will say, "Impossible!" And the job of managing a software project is to get each team to bend a little. Of course, I know nothing about this profession, which was the whole point of this message. I'm looking for direction, courses to take, casual advice, and so on. I actually dare to presume that I could be fairly good at this profession, but perhaps not. Perhaps I'm an in-the-trenches guy not destined to coach the team. That could be. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 14:11:00 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Path References: <29f585dd0804041204h51bf7ebdia8600f64604c05cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011001c89687$a1a44d70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/ Maybe you'll find something helpful here -- if not, change the search criteria a bit. Susan H. > At my ripe old age, I am pondering becoming a manager of software projects > rather than a developer of same. I have occasionally led a team of > developers toward a project goal, but more often been the principal > developer of a project. I am wondering how to make the leap. While > realizing > that this is a list for developers, I also think that this might be the > best > place to ask this question. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Apr 4 15:19:09 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:19:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Path In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0804041204h51bf7ebdia8600f64604c05cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0804041204h51bf7ebdia8600f64604c05cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F68D3D.8050405@torchlake.com> Arthur, Your question brings back to mind an article I read in Marshall Goldsmith and Laurence Lyons' "Coaching for Leadership (second edition)." The article is by David Noer, and it is called "Surviving the Transition from Line Manager to Executive Coach." Not all that different from the transition you are considering, really. Noer makes the point that many of the skills that made one very good in one job are often not the precise skills that will make one good in the next job, be it promotion or just change. For instance, he looks at what he calls the "ings" of management and of coaching. The transition calls for the person to go from controlling to helping, from evaluating to empowering, from directing to supporting, and from planning to listening. From Noer's advice I take this central point: examine what the skills are that got you here and compare them to the skills you will need in the next career. That inventory will give you the starting place for 1) deciding if this change is one you really want, and 2) if it is, what areas you will need to concentrate on. In the same book, another article "Making the Transition from Executive to Executive Coach," by Brian Tracy, explores more of the strategy for marketing oneself in a proposed new career. Tracy's target audience is the successful executive who is retiring, but doesn't want to sit in the rocking chair twiddling his thumbs and watching the world go by - rather, this retiree wants a second career. Tracy's advice is essentially, figure out your best talents and skills, scout out the competition, select a specialized niche for yourself, then promote yourself strategically. A side note here - this book was a required text in the final course of my master's degree program - yes, I completed the program and received my master's degree on January 26, 2008! This textbook was not my favorite book, but it does have some solid thinking. Here's the beginning of Tracy's article. "What is the highest paid work in America? Thinking! The value and importance of any decision can be measured by the likely consequences of that decision. The highest paid work in America is thinking because of the enormous possible consequences of thinking well or thinking poorly. Your ability to think effectively, and to help other people think effectively about their lives and work, are more important than any other contribution you can make." Now, Canada and the USA aren't all that different, I imagine, at least not on this point. Your ability to think effectively is your most important strength. Without a doubt it is that ability that has made you the excellent programmer you are. And, let's face it, if you can learn to program in the several environments you have already mastered, it is unlikely that any new programming language is going to whip you. So what if you don't know all the syntax of some new language - you know how to logically lay out the solution to a problem, and you can always look up how to say something in a new language. It strikes me too, that in many ways you are already a project manager, as well as the developer. You've been carrying out all the roles instead of just one. So, it may not be all that big a shift for you to continue coming up with the projects, changing only the fact that you no longer work them alone, but you hire younger developers to work for you on the projects you have contracted. From what I know of you, Arthur, I'm absolutely confident that if this is what you want to do you will do it and do it well. Okay, I've prattled on long enough. I hope some of it was helpful. Best regards, Tina Arthur Fuller wrote: > At my ripe old age, I am pondering becoming a manager of software projects > rather than a developer of same. I have occasionally led a team of > developers toward a project goal, but more often been the principal > developer of a project. I am wondering how to make the leap. While realizing > that this is a list for developers, I also think that this might be the best > place to ask this question. > > I know a lot about Access. > I know a little about .NET. > I know a fair amount about PHP and Python Ruby and Ruby on Rails. > I know a little about some strange languages used by very few, including > OCaml. > > I have only occasionally been team-lead in a multi-developer project. I > think I did pretty well in them. > > So how does one go from Developer to Manager of Developers? I think that I'm > growing too old to be there in the trenches of develpment, and yet that's > what I love and know best. But I think that the young recent graduates have > the "stay up until it works" enthusiasm that I no longer have, although > that's not always true; I've recently spent 40 hours solid at the box > solving a particularly difficult problem, and couldn't quit until I finally > cornered the ornery pig and wrestled him down. But perhaps a younger, > brighter person could have wrestled said pig down much more quickly than I, > which leads to a rather sickening and embarrassing conclusion (following the > Peter Principle): the best thing to do with Arthur is promote him. > > So, how to become a manager of programmers who are far more gifted in > languages that I know a little about? How does one go from Here to There? > How do I admit in my resume that I know a fair amount about the abstract > language of programming but perhaps nothing at all about the language your > project is using? > > What are the credentials of a Project Manager? I am particularly interested > in asking this question here, since you are all programmers, which perhaps > turns the question into "What values would you desire in your project > manager?". > > One could trivialize this question into, "Just learn MS-Project" but that is > hardly the point. Any fool can write a critical path. That's not the issue > at all. As I see it (and admittedly I know nothing about the subject), there > are two issues|perspectives: > > 1. Tell the team what needs to be done and how quickly. > 2. Tell the superiors why it cannot possibly happen in said time-frame + > expense-dollars. > > On both sides, I am guaranteed to meet resistance. Developers will say, > "Impossible!" Superiors will say, "Impossible!" And the job of managing a > software project is to get each team to bend a little. > > Of course, I know nothing about this profession, which was the whole point > of this message. I'm looking for direction, courses to take, casual advice, > and so on. I actually dare to presume that I could be fairly good at this > profession, but perhaps not. Perhaps I'm an in-the-trenches guy not destined > to coach the team. That could be. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 08:28:36 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:28:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] slow system Message-ID: <013001c89721$0c6fd630$4b3a8343@SusanOne> My system has ground to almost a halt. The only process seems to be Idle System process -- but I haven't a clue what that is. CPU usage is very low -- between 2% and 15%, depending on what I'm doing, but PF Usage is running between 300 and 450 -- but again, I don't know what that means. I looked it up in Help, but didn't read anything that helped. The mouse isn't responding well and everything's just terribly slow. It's taking forever to power down, boot, and launch anything or do anything. I've run Spybot and Ad-Aware. Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Apr 5 08:49:20 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:49:20 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] slow system Message-ID: Hi Susan You may wish to run TrojanHunter as well: http://www.misec.net/ If it finds nothing, it is probably not a virus or trojan that cripples your machine. Idle System process can be read as "available CPU power". PF is the paging file. Typically you set the size and usage of this to be controlled by Windows automatically. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-04-2008 15:28 >>> My system has ground to almost a halt. The only process seems to be Idle System process -- but I haven't a clue what that is. CPU usage is very low -- between 2% and 15%, depending on what I'm doing, but PF Usage is running between 300 and 450 -- but again, I don't know what that means. I looked it up in Help, but didn't read anything that helped. The mouse isn't responding well and everything's just terribly slow. It's taking forever to power down, boot, and launch anything or do anything. I've run Spybot and Ad-Aware. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 08:53:49 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:53:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] slow system References: Message-ID: <001701c89724$7c897860$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > Idle System process can be read as "available CPU power". > PF is the paging file. Typically you set the size and usage of this to be > controlled by Windows automatically. ======Without really knowing much about it, that's what I thought -- something Windows takes care of for me. I'll run the trojan hunter. Thanks! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 16:39:00 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search behavior in Word Message-ID: <00cb01c89765$773e45c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> A reader searches for text in a Word document. After finishing the search task, Page Down continues to search instead of actually paging down a full page. I've never seen this before. I looked around for an option that might be behind it, but didn't find anything. Anyone seen this? Susan H. From bgeldart at verizon.net Sat Apr 5 18:18:59 2008 From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:18:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search behavior in Word In-Reply-To: <00cb01c89765$773e45c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00cb01c89765$773e45c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0JYV00LTAKN43LV1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> I believe that's a normal occurrence. It is going to the next instance of the lat action performed. Lookl in the bottom right corner of the screen, where there are is an icon and up/down wedge characters. You are offered options to page or search or do other things. Hitting Page Up/Down will continue the nexp/previous instance of the last operation. Bob At 4/5/2008 04:39 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >A reader searches for text in a Word document. After finishing the >search task, Page Down continues to search instead of actually >paging down a full page. I've never seen this before. I looked >around for an option that might be behind it, but didn't find >anything. Anyone seen this? > >Susan H. >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 19:38:18 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:38:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search behavior in Word References: <00cb01c89765$773e45c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <0JYV00LTAKN43LV1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <001401c8977e$97e10880$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Well, I didn't know about those arrows so thank you for pointing them out. However, Page Down still jumps to the next page for me. Why would Word usurp Page Down for a search task? Perhaps I'm not doing it right, but after running a search, those arrows do the job their respective title imply. However, Page Down jumps to the next page; it doesn't find the next search item. Susan H. >I believe that's a normal occurrence. It is going to the next > instance of the lat action performed. > > Lookl in the bottom right corner of the screen, where there are is an > icon and up/down wedge characters. You are offered options to page or > search or do other things. Hitting Page Up/Down will continue the > nexp/previous instance of the last operation. > > Bob > > At 4/5/2008 04:39 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: >>A reader searches for text in a Word document. After finishing the >>search task, Page Down continues to search instead of actually >>paging down a full page. I've never seen this before. I looked >>around for an option that might be behind it, but didn't find >>anything. Anyone seen this? >> >>Susan H. >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net > Maynard, MA > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 07:35:03 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:35:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] certs and e-mail Message-ID: <007601c898ab$d0a716e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I don't understand how cert id's are supposed to work with E-mail. My husband has one at work and although I can read his mail and he can read mine, I can't respond to his mail. I get an error that says I don't have the cert id, but it offers an option to get it, when I try to get it, I get another error. Is this a problem on his end or mine? I'm not sure I understand the cert's purpose with e-mail. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 7 07:59:12 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:59:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] slow system In-Reply-To: <001701c89724$7c897860$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <001701c89724$7c897860$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <002901c898af$2dd80650$0601a8c0@M90> Did you get this figured out? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] slow system > Idle System process can be read as "available CPU power". > PF is the paging file. Typically you set the size and usage of this to > be controlled by Windows automatically. ======Without really knowing much about it, that's what I thought -- something Windows takes care of for me. I'll run the trojan hunter. Thanks! Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Apr 7 08:00:10 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:00:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] certs and e-mail Message-ID: Hi Susan The certificate verifies the sender and that the content hasn't been tampered with but should not interact with your responding. Your e-mail client must have the root certificate of the certificate authority (CA) installed to be able to verify the sender. This stuff very quickly becomes very technical thus extremely boring except for nerds. However, a lot of reading for humans can be found. Here is one source: http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/personal-email-certificates/index.html /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-04-2008 14:35 >>> I don't understand how cert id's are supposed to work with E-mail. My husband has one at work and although I can read his mail and he can read mine, I can't respond to his mail. I get an error that says I don't have the cert id, but it offers an option to get it, when I try to get it, I get another error. Is this a problem on his end or mine? I'm not sure I understand the cert's purpose with e-mail. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 08:00:57 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:00:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM Message-ID: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I'm running on 256MB, which is adequate, I can certainly work, but there are days when everything grinds to a screeching halt. I want to upgrade so I can run a virtual machine with Office 2003 on one and Office 2007 on the other. I don't really have any other needs -- no special software, I don't do any desktop publishing -- nothing like that. Recommendations? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 08:03:57 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:03:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] slow system References: <001701c89724$7c897860$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <002901c898af$2dd80650$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <00d701c898b0$0c5bada0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> John, I ran everything a couple of times, and ran TrojanHunter -- this morning, everything seems to be running fine. Over the weekend, I did see the Windows "changing page..." message that indicates memory is low. So, I really don't know what did the trick. Susan H. > Did you get this figured out? > ======Without really knowing much about it, that's what I thought -- > something Windows takes care of for me. I'll run the trojan hunter. > Thanks! From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 08:08:33 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:08:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] certs and e-mail References: Message-ID: <00dc01c898b0$a7e86330$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > > The certificate verifies the sender and that the content hasn't been > tampered with but should not interact with your responding. ==========That's what I thought, but I can't respond to any E-mail from him, even if he's responding to one I originated. I have no idea what I can do about this. Right now, I just copy the contents and start a new E-mail. Thank goodness, we don't correspond too much! ;) > > Your e-mail client must have the root certificate of the certificate > authority (CA) installed to be able to verify the sender. ==========I am sure I don't. Each E-mail from him comes in tack with an opening page that warns me... > > This stuff very quickly becomes very technical thus extremely boring > except for nerds. However, a lot of reading for humans can be found. Here > is one source: > > http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/personal-email-certificates/index.html ==========Thanks Gustav. :) From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 7 08:28:55 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:28:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM In-Reply-To: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000301c898b3$54a24df0$0601a8c0@M90> Susan, I recommend 1 gig at a MINIMUM for Windows XP. XP itself uses at around 256 megs all by itself. If you throw in Antiviruses, software firewalls, malware detectors and the like... well you get the picture. If you multitask heavily (access, word and Office plus Outlook all open at the same time) then you should have much more. If you want to run VMs then you will need more. Depending on what you want to run inside of the VM, I would recommend at LEAST an additional 500 megs / VM, probably 750 Megs / VM to be on the safe side - those will be the amounts that you give the VM. Most people will not multi-task heavily inside of a VM, they tend to be used mostly for testing a program against a specific OS, so the memory requirements usually won't be as extreme as a developer's main machine. If you use a lot of memory in the VM then obviously you will need more memory for that VM, however you will quickly run into a limit of how many VMs you can have going at the same time, not that most of us run a lot of them simultaneously. BTW, more cores helps the speed of VMs. I would HIGHLY recommend at least a dual core and a quad core if you really get into the VM thing heavily. Windows comes to a screeching halt when it starts hitting the swap file, which it sounds like yours is doing. Memory is CHEAP (at least for DDR2 800) and can guarantee you will never hit the swap file under normal circumstances. What kind of memory you need will depend on how old your machine is. Anything produced in about the last 4 years or so uses the DDR2, otherwise it could be the DDR. The DDR is no longer as cheap as the DDR2 because of declining demand. I use the following inexpensive brands and can recommend them: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211066 If you anticipate running X64 systems and 8 gigs (seems unlikely given your question) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188 If your machine runs DDR then I do not have any specific recommendations other than perhaps: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231047 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211014 Newegg is a reliable and "best price" supplier that I have used for many years and probably 20K dollars. I get nothing for recommending them and they are privately held so I don't own stock etc. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:01 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM I'm running on 256MB, which is adequate, I can certainly work, but there are days when everything grinds to a screeching halt. I want to upgrade so I can run a virtual machine with Office 2003 on one and Office 2007 on the other. I don't really have any other needs -- no special software, I don't do any desktop publishing -- nothing like that. Recommendations? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 08:40:29 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:40:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM References: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <000301c898b3$54a24df0$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <00ff01c898b4$f8261640$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > I recommend 1 gig at a MINIMUM for Windows XP. XP itself uses at around > 256 > megs all by itself. If you throw in Antiviruses, software firewalls, > malware detectors and the like... well you get the picture. If you > multitask heavily (access, word and Office plus Outlook all open at the > same > time) then you should have much more. =======I'm running Windows XP and honestly, with just the 256MB, things aren't that bad. I've been working with this system since 02 or 03 (can't remember). It just recently started to slow down. Multi-tasking is limited -- I usually have Word and "something else" open -- but it seldom gets busier than that. Thanks for the information. Susan H. > > If you want to run VMs then you will need more. Depending on what you > want > to run inside of the VM, I would recommend at LEAST an additional 500 megs > / > VM, probably 750 Megs / VM to be on the safe side - those will be the > amounts that you give the VM. Most people will not multi-task heavily > inside of a VM, they tend to be used mostly for testing a program against > a > specific OS, so the memory requirements usually won't be as extreme as a > developer's main machine. If you use a lot of memory in the VM then > obviously you will need more memory for that VM, however you will quickly > run into a limit of how many VMs you can have going at the same time, not > that most of us run a lot of them simultaneously. BTW, more cores helps > the > speed of VMs. I would HIGHLY recommend at least a dual core and a quad > core > if you really get into the VM thing heavily. From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 08:51:35 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:51:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM In-Reply-To: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Any amount you add should make your system faster. Particularly if you have more than one thing open . I would try to go to a Gigabyte if you can swing it. I just ordered 2GB for my vista system to bring it to 4GB. I think it cost $40 from that Crucial site. In my case I wasn't unhappy with my current system performance but figured for $40 any speed improvement would be a good thing too. John Colby has given you some good info in his reply and since he builds his systems he is far better qualified than I on what works with what etc. I think at least 1GB is what I would try to get to if possible though.. GK On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I'm running on 256MB, which is adequate, I can certainly work, but there are days when everything grinds to a screeching halt. I want to upgrade so I can run a virtual machine with Office 2003 on one and Office 2007 on the other. I don't really have any other needs -- no special software, I don't do any desktop publishing -- nothing like that. > > Recommendations? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Mon Apr 7 08:55:47 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:55:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM Message-ID: I second that. Both of them in fact :-) I build my own systems too, and I go for the fastest RAM and processor that I can afford (up to a point), and I've used Crucial for the last four systems that I've built, never had a problem. Touch wood :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 07 April 2008 14:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM Any amount you add should make your system faster. Particularly if you have more than one thing open . I would try to go to a Gigabyte if you can swing it. I just ordered 2GB for my vista system to bring it to 4GB. I think it cost $40 from that Crucial site. In my case I wasn't unhappy with my current system performance but figured for $40 any speed improvement would be a good thing too. John Colby has given you some good info in his reply and since he builds his systems he is far better qualified than I on what works with what etc. I think at least 1GB is what I would try to get to if possible though.. GK On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > 926C3> > > I'm running on 256MB, which is adequate, I can certainly work, but > there are days when everything grinds to a screeching halt. I want to > upgrade so I can run a virtual machine with Office 2003 on one and > Office 2007 on the other. I don't really have any other needs -- no > special software, I don't do any desktop publishing -- nothing like > that. > > Recommendations? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Mon Apr 7 08:58:46 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:58:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM References: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000301c898b3$54a24df0$0601a8c0@M90> <00ff01c898b4$f8261640$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000401c898b7$7f82e120$1800a8c0@s1800> Susan, if you do decide to upgrade (which I do recommend, but ofcourse its a function of available $s), you need to look upin your motherboard manual what type of memory to use, and also, what's presently in your box and how many slots are free and whether you have to fill slots in pairs. also, get memtest, s amall free memory testerand run it after upgrading, so you can return the memory when defective. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM >> I recommend 1 gig at a MINIMUM for Windows XP. XP itself uses at around >> 256 >> megs all by itself. If you throw in Antiviruses, software firewalls, >> malware detectors and the like... well you get the picture. If you >> multitask heavily (access, word and Office plus Outlook all open at the >> same >> time) then you should have much more. > > =======I'm running Windows XP and honestly, with just the 256MB, things > aren't that bad. I've been working with this system since 02 or 03 (can't > remember). It just recently started to slow down. Multi-tasking is > limited -- I usually have Word and "something else" open -- but it seldom > gets busier than that. > > Thanks for the information. > > Susan H. > > >> >> If you want to run VMs then you will need more. Depending on what you >> want >> to run inside of the VM, I would recommend at LEAST an additional 500 >> megs >> / >> VM, probably 750 Megs / VM to be on the safe side - those will be the >> amounts that you give the VM. Most people will not multi-task heavily >> inside of a VM, they tend to be used mostly for testing a program against >> a >> specific OS, so the memory requirements usually won't be as extreme as a >> developer's main machine. If you use a lot of memory in the VM then >> obviously you will need more memory for that VM, however you will quickly >> run into a limit of how many VMs you can have going at the same time, not >> that most of us run a lot of them simultaneously. BTW, more cores helps >> the >> speed of VMs. I would HIGHLY recommend at least a dual core and a quad >> core >> if you really get into the VM thing heavily. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 06.04.2008 11:12 > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 09:25:49 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:25:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM References: <00d201c898af$72ff4590$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000301c898b3$54a24df0$0601a8c0@M90><00ff01c898b4$f8261640$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <000401c898b7$7f82e120$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <014b01c898bb$96e05650$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > you need to look upin your motherboard manual what type of memory to use, > and also, what's presently in your box and how many slots are free and > whether you have to fill slots in pairs. > also, get memtest, s amall free memory testerand run it after upgrading, > so > you can return the memory when defective. ========The Crucial scan gave me the information I need, but I will definitely check it to make sure. I've never even seen the inside, so I'm not even sure I'll do it myself. We have a local shop that does great work for a reasonable price. It's good to know what my options are. Susan H. From djkr at msn.com Mon Apr 7 09:36:14 2008 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:36:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM In-Reply-To: <000401c898b7$7f82e120$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: That's why I like Crucial's System Scanner tool: tells you what type to use, what's in your box, what slots are free, etc. AND guarantees the result, usually! I have no commercial interest in Crucial: I'm just a coward who builds his own, relying on other people's guarantees when possible. Fifty bucks? Spend it on a GB - you'll be happy you did! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 07 April 2008 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM Susan, if you do decide to upgrade (which I do recommend, but ofcourse its a function of available $s), you need to look upin your motherboard manual what type of memory to use, and also, what's presently in your box and how many slots are free and whether you have to fill slots in pairs. also, get memtest, s amall free memory testerand run it after upgrading, so you can return the memory when defective. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM >> I recommend 1 gig at a MINIMUM for Windows XP. XP itself uses at >> around 256 megs all by itself. If you throw in Antiviruses, software >> firewalls, malware detectors and the like... well you get the >> picture. If you multitask heavily (access, word and Office plus >> Outlook all open at the same >> time) then you should have much more. > > =======I'm running Windows XP and honestly, with just the 256MB, > things aren't that bad. I've been working with this system since 02 or > 03 (can't remember). It just recently started to slow down. > Multi-tasking is limited -- I usually have Word and "something else" > open -- but it seldom gets busier than that. > > Thanks for the information. > > Susan H. > > >> >> If you want to run VMs then you will need more. Depending on what >> you want to run inside of the VM, I would recommend at LEAST an >> additional 500 megs >> / >> VM, probably 750 Megs / VM to be on the safe side - those will be the >> amounts that you give the VM. Most people will not multi-task heavily >> inside of a VM, they tend to be used mostly for testing a program against >> a >> specific OS, so the memory requirements usually won't be as extreme as a >> developer's main machine. If you use a lot of memory in the VM then >> obviously you will need more memory for that VM, however you will quickly >> run into a limit of how many VMs you can have going at the same time, not >> that most of us run a lot of them simultaneously. BTW, more cores helps >> the >> speed of VMs. I would HIGHLY recommend at least a dual core and a quad >> core >> if you really get into the VM thing heavily. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 06.04.2008 11:12 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Mon Apr 7 09:35:24 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:35:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM Message-ID: Installing new RAM is almost the easiest thing in the world... You line the stick up with the slot, making sure that the kink in the stick matches the bulge in the slot, and push until the two end tabs click into place, and that's it. Getting to the slot might not be so easy however, and be prepared for dust! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 07 April 2008 15:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] upgrading RAM > you need to look upin your motherboard manual what type of memory to > use, and also, what's presently in your box and how many slots are > free and whether you have to fill slots in pairs. also, get memtest, s > amall free memory testerand run it after upgrading, so > you can return the memory when defective. ========The Crucial scan gave me the information I need, but I will definitely check it to make sure. I've never even seen the inside, so I'm not even sure I'll do it myself. We have a local shop that does great work for a reasonable price. It's good to know what my options are. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 09:12:52 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:12:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing pens in PowerPoint Message-ID: <01a301c89982$a430f810$4b3a8343@SusanOne> A reader claims there are no pen options in Slide View. I'm going to check to see if there's an option to diable the pen options, but if someone's run into this before and knows what's going on, please let me know. Thanks! Susan Harkins From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 8 13:37:07 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:37:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Message-ID: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. So has anyone installed this and using it for real? Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 13:46:19 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:46:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: Hi John Was at the Event in Belfast today and am sitting here installing the stuff on VMs. We will in work be using Windows Server 2008 especially the built in VM management etc. That really impressed the guys with me today. Other stuff SQL 2008 and VS I will install at home just to play about with. We got SQL 2008 on DVD with a voucher to download the RM when it is out. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 08 April 2008 19:37 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. So has anyone installed this and using it for real? Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Apr 9 11:55:59 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:55:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. So has anyone installed this and using it for real? Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available there. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Apr 9 11:57:35 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:57:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <47FCF57F.3090502@colbyconsulting.com> I decided to bite the bullet and install the copy of Vista on my laptop (dev machine). While I was at it I also decided to go whole hog and install thunderbird as my email client. So my day is pretty much wasted trying to figure out how to use thing thing. I have to say, Vista is pretty. I left everything turned on, including the new menu (not the classic). I have always felt "helpless" when I tried to work on someone's computer that didn't use the classic start menu, and the "new" (XP style) menu has been around what... 5 years now? So fine, I will learn the new stuff. It just takes soooo much time to discover where everything went. For example, the old way allowed me to run a little wizard to add a mapped drive on another computer to "my network". While I can MAP these things (if I know their \\Servername\Sharename address) I'll be darned if I can figure out how to just create a network item - or even where network neighborhood disappeared to. And this after an hour of playing around. Sigh. Sometime next week I should be back to getting real work done. JWColby Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get > the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" > > I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this > stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows > Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with > a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. > > So has anyone installed this and using it for real? > > Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the > Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available > there. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Apr 9 12:36:08 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:36:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing pens in PowerPoint In-Reply-To: <01a301c89982$a430f810$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <01a301c89982$a430f810$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <47FCFE88.9080201@torchlake.com> Hi Susan, I'm using Office 2003. The PowerPoint pen options don't show up for me on the menu launched from the icon at the bottom left of the screen, but they do show up in the shortcut menu I get when I right-click the screen. Hope this helps. Tina Susan Harkins wrote: > A reader claims there are no pen options in Slide View. I'm going to check to see if there's an option to diable the pen options, but if someone's run into this before and knows what's going on, please let me know. > > Thanks! > Susan Harkins > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 12:43:56 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:43:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing pens in PowerPoint References: <01a301c89982$a430f810$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <47FCFE88.9080201@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <01a101c89a69$4afe1bf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > I'm using Office 2003. The PowerPoint pen options don't show up for me > on the menu launched from the icon at the bottom left of the screen, but > they do show up in the shortcut menu I get when I right-click the > screen. Hope this helps. =========This guy's getting no pen options from the right-click menu -- really odd and I've not found a thing. Susan H. From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 12:59:59 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:59:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <47FCF57F.3090502@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47FCF57F.3090502@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: The search for help works really well for me to find stuff in Vista. GK On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:57 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I decided to bite the bullet and install the copy of Vista on my laptop > (dev machine). While I was at it I also decided to go whole hog and > install thunderbird as my email client. > > So my day is pretty much wasted trying to figure out how to use thing > thing. > > I have to say, Vista is pretty. I left everything turned on, including > the new menu (not the classic). I have always felt "helpless" when I > tried to work on someone's computer that didn't use the classic start > menu, and the "new" (XP style) menu has been around what... 5 years now? > So fine, I will learn the new stuff. > > It just takes soooo much time to discover where everything went. For > example, the old way allowed me to run a little wizard to add a mapped > drive on another computer to "my network". While I can MAP these things > (if I know their \\Servername\Sharename address) I'll be darned if I can > figure out how to just create a network item - or even where network > neighborhood disappeared to. And this after an hour of playing around. > > Sigh. > > Sometime next week I should be back to getting real work done. > > JWColby > > > > Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi John: > > > > Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get > > the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of > > Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" > > > > I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this > > stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows > > Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with > > a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. > > > > So has anyone installed this and using it for real? > > > > Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the > > Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available > > there. > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Apr 9 23:52:30 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:52:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitlocker Message-ID: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> I am setting up bitlocker to encrypt my entire hard drive using Vista. Rather an experience as I didn't set it up from the gitgo but it is progressing once I managed to get the little boot partition set up. My Dell M90 has the TPM hardware and stuff which is cool. One thing I thought you might be interested in is my solution for storing the "catastrophe" keys required in case the configuration changes enough to trigger a refusal to boot. Everywhere I turned I saw comments about the problem of safely storing the key so that it was available if needed but couldn't be found. My solution... a 1 mbyte Truecrypt volume that stores the keys inside. Not a perfect solution in that it requires mounting the usb thumb drive somewhere, running Truecrypt to get the key files out and placed on the thumbdrive unencrypted. However the keys are encrypted and the little 1 mbyte bitlocker key volume can be stored right on the bitlocker boot partition along with Truecrypt itself, as well as on a couple of my USB thumb drives. I have a 22 character password with alpha, numbers and special characters protecting the Truecrypt volume. At least if my laptop is stolen I can sleep at night without worrying about client data. So Vista is chugging away encrypting my hard drive. Off to bed. From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Thu Apr 10 06:08:43 2008 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:08:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Bitlocker References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003201c89afb$3e9ec340$0402a8c0@Laptop> John, Why are you encrypting your entire drive? Or any of it, for that matter? The benefit must outweigh the cost ... Michael R. Mattys MapPoint & Access Dev www.mattysconsulting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" ; "Tech" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: [AccessD] Bitlocker >I am setting up bitlocker to encrypt my entire hard drive using Vista. > Rather an experience as I didn't set it up from the gitgo but it is > progressing once I managed to get the little boot partition set up. My > Dell M90 has the TPM hardware and stuff which is cool. > > One thing I thought you might be interested in is my solution for > storing the "catastrophe" keys required in case the configuration > changes enough to trigger a refusal to boot. Everywhere I turned I saw > comments about the problem of safely storing the key so that it was > available if needed but couldn't be found. > > My solution... a 1 mbyte Truecrypt volume that stores the keys inside. > > Not a perfect solution in that it requires mounting the usb thumb drive > somewhere, running Truecrypt to get the key files out and placed on the > thumbdrive unencrypted. However the keys are encrypted and the little 1 > mbyte bitlocker key volume can be stored right on the bitlocker boot > partition along with Truecrypt itself, as well as on a couple of my USB > thumb drives. > > I have a 22 character password with alpha, numbers and special > characters protecting the Truecrypt volume. > > At least if my laptop is stolen I can sleep at night without worrying > about client data. > > So Vista is chugging away encrypting my hard drive. Off to bed. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Thu Apr 10 12:33:34 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:33:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003a01c89b31$01220a50$1800a8c0@s1800> I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or disconnected,but: The BIOS shows the HD is there. then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to install winXP on that. What happened: It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and copied the files and initialized configuration. Then it has to restart.... instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it did not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, I can run Acronis fine. so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run from a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? any suggestions welcome thanks Lembit From hkotsch at arcor.de Thu Apr 10 14:34:45 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:34:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: <003a01c89b31$01220a50$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: Lembit, I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS the solution was as follows: + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 + Go to menu "BOOT" + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or 3rd Drive. + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the sequence of these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why this happened but could reproduce the problem. + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device set to HDD the problem was fixed. Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the 1st Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your hard disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit Soobik Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or disconnected,but: The BIOS shows the HD is there. then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to install winXP on that. What happened: It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and copied the files and initialized configuration. Then it has to restart.... instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it did not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, I can run Acronis fine. so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run from a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? any suggestions welcome thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Apr 10 15:01:20 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:01:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: <003a01c89b31$01220a50$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <005b01c89b45$a87cf7b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Might sound silly, but have you checked the battery on the motherboard? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 10 April 2008 20:35 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Lembit, I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS the solution was as follows: + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 Go to menu "BOOT" + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter Here you can see + which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or 3rd Drive. + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the + sequence of these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why this happened but could reproduce the problem. + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device + set to HDD the problem was fixed. Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the 1st Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your hard disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit Soobik Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or disconnected,but: The BIOS shows the HD is there. then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to install winXP on that. What happened: It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and copied the files and initialized configuration. Then it has to restart.... instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it did not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, I can run Acronis fine. so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run from a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? any suggestions welcome thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Apr 10 17:11:48 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:11:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to the 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) TIA Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Apr 10 17:12:06 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:12:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Norton Ghost it to another drive, then Partition Magic to resize the partition. Then defrag it. With a drive that small, should only take an hour or so. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 10 April 2008 23:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi All: It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to the 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Apr 10 17:30:13 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:30:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: Hi Jon: So Norton's Ghost copies the MBR as well?... I have a copy on a floppy and Partition Magic somewhere... will give it a whirl and post the results. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Norton Ghost it to another drive, then Partition Magic to resize the partition. Then defrag it. With a drive that small, should only take an hour or so. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 10 April 2008 23:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi All: It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to the 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Apr 10 17:27:18 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:27:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com><7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com><007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> Yeah, it's the only Norton product I'll ever recommend :-) I think you tell it to clone the drive, rather than back it up or anything, but it's been a while since I used it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 10 April 2008 23:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi Jon: So Norton's Ghost copies the MBR as well?... I have a copy on a floppy and Partition Magic somewhere... will give it a whirl and post the results. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Norton Ghost it to another drive, then Partition Magic to resize the partition. Then defrag it. With a drive that small, should only take an hour or so. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 10 April 2008 23:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi All: It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to the 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Apr 11 05:32:23 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:32:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found References: <003a01c89b31$01220a50$1800a8c0@s1800> <005b01c89b45$a87cf7b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <002201c89bbf$54deb740$1800a8c0@s1800> Hey Jon, not silly at all. you hit the nail on the head (or the battery :) ) the only silly here is me, not thinking of that. Thank you so much. You saved me from buying a new MB. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Might sound silly, but have you checked the battery on the motherboard? > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch > Sent: 10 April 2008 20:35 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 Go to menu "BOOT" > + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter Here you can see > + which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the > + sequence of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why > this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device > + set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. > Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt > PC, no problem here. > So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. > Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took > the WinXP CD out. > Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT > FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis > disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the OS there > either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > > From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Apr 11 05:33:04 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:33:04 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found References: Message-ID: <002701c89bbf$6d159950$1800a8c0@s1800> thank you, Helmut, but no, it was the battery. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 > + Go to menu "BOOT" > + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter > + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the sequence > of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why > this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit > Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. > Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt > PC, no problem here. > So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. > Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took > the WinXP CD out. > Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT > FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis > disk as well as the WinXP disk, > but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Fri Apr 11 05:35:30 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:35:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: Glad to help :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 11 April 2008 11:32 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Hey Jon, not silly at all. you hit the nail on the head (or the battery :) ) the only silly here is me, not thinking of that. Thank you so much. You saved me from buying a new MB. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Might sound silly, but have you checked the battery on the > motherboard? > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut > Kotsch > Sent: 10 April 2008 20:35 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI > BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 Go to menu "BOOT" Go to the > + submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter Here you can see which of > + your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the > + sequence of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out > why this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device > + set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set > the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit > Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now > this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a > differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC > which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I > took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it > told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the > Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the > OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and > found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will > run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Apr 11 05:36:49 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:36:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com><7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com><007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> I'm using Acronis True Image home. copies the MBR as well with any backup of the sys drive. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > Yeah, it's the only Norton product I'll ever recommend :-) > > I think you tell it to clone the drive, rather than back it up or > anything, > but it's been a while since I used it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 10 April 2008 23:30 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Hi Jon: > > So Norton's Ghost copies the MBR as well?... I have a copy on a floppy and > Partition Magic somewhere... will give it a whirl and post the results. > > Thanks > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:12 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Norton Ghost it to another drive, then Partition Magic to resize the > partition. Then defrag it. > > With a drive that small, should only take an hour or so. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 10 April 2008 23:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Hi All: > > It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use > to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the > whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to > the > 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. > > What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not > usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) > > TIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: > 10.04.2008 17:36 > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 11 08:22:51 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:22:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: Thank you Lembit. May have to bite the bullet on this one.... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive I'm using Acronis True Image home. copies the MBR as well with any backup of the sys drive. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > Yeah, it's the only Norton product I'll ever recommend :-) > > I think you tell it to clone the drive, rather than back it up or > anything, > but it's been a while since I used it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 10 April 2008 23:30 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Hi Jon: > > So Norton's Ghost copies the MBR as well?... I have a copy on a floppy and > Partition Magic somewhere... will give it a whirl and post the results. > > Thanks > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:12 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Norton Ghost it to another drive, then Partition Magic to resize the > partition. Then defrag it. > > With a drive that small, should only take an hour or so. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 10 April 2008 23:12 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive > > Hi All: > > It is time to move my C drive up as 8 GB just does not go as far as it use > to (It can now barely say 'Hello World'). It is easy to shadow copy the > whole drive and write it back to a hard drive... have been doing that to > the > 'other/RAID' drives for years but now this is the master drive. > > What is the best way to copy the MBR off the master drive... which is not > usually backed up (the drive is dual boot.) > > TIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: > 10.04.2008 17:36 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Apr 11 10:18:48 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:18:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: <002701c89bbf$6d159950$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <002701c89bbf$6d159950$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <002a01c89be7$57b92040$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found thank you, Helmut, but no, it was the battery. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 > + Go to menu "BOOT" > + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter > + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the sequence > of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why > this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit > Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. > Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt > PC, no problem here. > So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. > Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took > the WinXP CD out. > Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT > FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis > disk as well as the WinXP disk, > but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 5:36 PM From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Fri Apr 11 10:21:22 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:21:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: The last two I've bought don't, but a lot out there still do apparently. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 11 April 2008 16:19 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found thank you, Helmut, but no, it was the battery. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI > BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 > + Go to menu "BOOT" > + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter > + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd > + or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the > + sequence > of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out > why this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device > + set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set > the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit > Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now > this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a > differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC > which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I > took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it > told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the > Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the > OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and > found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will > run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 5:36 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 11 10:31:46 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:31:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: <002a01c89be7$57b92040$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002701c89bbf$6d159950$1800a8c0@s1800> <002a01c89be7$57b92040$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <47FF8462.2080509@colbyconsulting.com> Clocks! Something has to keep the clock chip running or the time of day would die every time you shut off the computer. Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:33 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > thank you, Helmut, but no, > it was the battery. > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helmut Kotsch" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:34 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > >> Lembit, >> I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI BIOS >> the >> solution was as follows: >> >> + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 >> + Go to menu "BOOT" >> + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter >> + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd or >> 3rd Drive. >> + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. >> + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The >> selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or >> HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) >> + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the sequence >> of >> these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out why >> this happened but could reproduce the problem. >> + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device set >> to HDD the problem was fixed. >> Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set the >> 1st >> Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your >> hard >> disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. >> >> Helmut >> >> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit >> Soobik >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 >> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found >> >> >> I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: >> suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. >> Now this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or >> disconnected,but: >> The BIOS shows the HD is there. >> then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. >> Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a differnt >> PC, no problem here. >> So I took a different HD from another PC which has WinXP on it. >> Same problem - Operating system not found. >> Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. >> So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to >> install winXP on that. >> What happened: >> It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and >> copied the files and initialized configuration. >> Then it has to restart.... >> instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it >> did >> not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). >> >> now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I took >> the WinXP CD out. >> Here it should have asked for the CD, but it told me Operating System NOT >> FOUND again. >> >> So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. >> >> now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the Acronis >> disk as well as the WinXP disk, >> but NO, it does not find the OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. >> >> to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and found, > >> I >> can run Acronis fine. >> >> so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will run >> from >> a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. >> >> Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? >> >> any suggestions welcome >> >> thanks >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: >> 09.04.2008 16:20 >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 > 5:36 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.21.2508;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 John W. Colby\par www.ColbyConsulting.com\par } From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Apr 11 10:32:20 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:32:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c89be9$3b892cb0$0300a8c0@danwaters> I bought a new Gigabyte MB about six months ago and it does have a new shiny battery! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found The last two I've bought don't, but a lot out there still do apparently. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 11 April 2008 16:19 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found thank you, Helmut, but no, it was the battery. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > Lembit, > I had the same problem some time ago. Assuming that you have an AMI > BIOS > the > solution was as follows: > > + Enter the BIOS setup during Boot with F2 > + Go to menu "BOOT" > + Go to the submenu "Hard Disk Drives" and hit Enter > + Here you can see which of your drives the BIOS sees as your 1st, 2nd > + or > 3rd Drive. > + BIOS will always select the 1st Drive to BOOT. > + Make sure that the 1st Drive is the one you want to boot from. The > selection menu shows prefixes like HDD: PM-xxxxxxx (Primary Master) or > HDD:PS-xxxxxxx (Primary Slave) > + My problem was, that the BIOS for whatever reasons swapped the > + sequence > of > these drives when playing with the boot device. I have not figured out > why this happened but could reproduce the problem. > + After getting this straightened out and having the first Boot device > + set > to HDD the problem was fixed. > Summary: In addition to seeing the disks during BOOT, and having set > the > 1st > Boot Device to HDD you also have to make sure that the sequence of your > hard > disks is set to make the desired one as the first Drive. > > Helmut > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Lembit > Soobik > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 19:34 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found > > > I've got a PC with real puzzling behaviour: > suddenly it tells me at boot time: Operating system not found. Now > this would indicate that either the HD is gone bad or > disconnected,but: > The BIOS shows the HD is there. > then I started it with ACRONIS True Image. > Acronis shows the disk and contents and lets me do an image to a > differnt PC, no problem here. So I took a different HD from another PC > which has WinXP on it. Same problem - Operating system not found. > Yes I tried a different cable - nothing. > So I took an old HD, connected it instead of the original and started to > install winXP on that. > What happened: > It recognized the HD, let me erase it, make a partition, format it and > copied the files and initialized configuration. > Then it has to restart.... > instead of continuing the installation, it started over. That means, it > did > not see the HD at boot time (although BIOS does show it). > > now I started the WinXP install again, and when it did the restart, I > took the WinXP CD out. Here it should have asked for the CD, but it > told me Operating System NOT FOUND again. > > So, it can read and write to the disk, but it won't recognise any OS. > > now I hooked the disk up to IDE2 - this is where it recognized the > Acronis disk as well as the WinXP disk, but NO, it does not find the > OS there either, although BIOS sees the HD. > > to complete the tests I have now connected the CD drive to IDE1 and > found, > I > can run Acronis fine. > > so the problem is, it will not recognize an OS on a HD, but it will > run > from > a CD, no matter whether on IDE1 or 2. > > Does anybody have an idea? or do I have to replace the MB? > > any suggestions welcome > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: > 09.04.2008 16:20 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1372 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 5:36 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 10:41:45 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:41:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: Hi Rocky Still have batteries? What are you talking about? When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 11:09:09 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:09:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be clouded by the years. GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > /gustav > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > Rocky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 11:32:29 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:32:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: Hi Gary Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. /gustav >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be clouded by the years. GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > /gustav > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > Rocky From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 11 11:33:58 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:33:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> I'm having a heck of a time getting this stuff running. Server 2008 tells me I need new drivers for my RAID cards. SQL Server 2008 is trying to use a file that apparently it doesn't install and which is missing. Sigh. Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get > the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" > > I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this > stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows > Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with > a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. > > So has anyone installed this and using it for real? > > Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the > Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available > there. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.21.2508;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 John W. Colby\par www.ColbyConsulting.com\par } From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Apr 11 11:38:31 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:38:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47FF9407.4060309@colbyconsulting.com> OK, You're old. ;-) jwc Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > /gustav > >>>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > clouded by the years. > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi Rocky >> >> Still have batteries? What are you talking about? >> When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. >> >> /gustav >> >> >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> >> >> Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? >> >> Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 11 12:03:43 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:03:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi John: 2008 requires certified drivers to work. As not every driver made has been personally certified by MS it is impossible to find a system that 2008 actually will install without complaining. When I first installed it it would not accept the brand-new video card so it defaulted to 16bit VGA. I went into the device manager and installed one driver after another from the disk that comes with the motherboard or from the internet. Each time the system challenged me as to whether I wished to install an uncertified driver... after that every has been working fine. PS Watch out for the Fire-wall. It will block everthing... When running in default you can not even pink the box. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" I'm having a heck of a time getting this stuff running. Server 2008 tells me I need new drivers for my RAID cards. SQL Server 2008 is trying to use a file that apparently it doesn't install and which is missing. Sigh. Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get > the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" > > I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this > stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows > Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however with > a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. > > So has anyone installed this and using it for real? > > Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the > Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the available > there. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.21.2508;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 John W. Colby\par www.ColbyConsulting.com\par } _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 12:00:09 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:00:09 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Message-ID: Hi Jim So it becomes a black box? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-04-2008 19:03 >>> .. you can not even pink the box. HTH Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 11 13:15:56 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:15:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you catching that, Gustav. That is what comes when I am working on something else and in between system pauses quickly whizz out a reply... I meant 'ping'. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:00 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Hi Jim So it becomes a black box? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-04-2008 19:03 >>> .. you can not even pink the box. HTH Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 13:26:12 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:26:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's crazy, who needs THAT MUCH memory? Overkill for sure. Such a waste . I forgot about the need for add on memory. Seems odd today that putting memory on an add on card at the bus speed that that stuff runs at verses the memory channel bus would even be acceptable would it? GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > /gustav > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > > > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > clouded by the years. > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Rocky > > > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 15:45:11 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:45:11 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: Hi Gary So much have changed. Remember having the floppy controller on a separate add-on board and full height 5.25" floppy drives. And the motherboards? My first 486 board was a full size board - one half of it covered by DIL sockets you had to fill to reach the massive amount of RAM of ... 4 MB! But the old PC keyboard is still the best ever made. The sound was fabulous and the soft feeling has never been surpassed by any other keyboard. At work I still have my original IBM PS/2 keyboard (without the sick Windows buttons of course) but at home I have one of those plastic keyboards with a sound like a piece of toy. I hate it. /gustav >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 20:26 >>> That's crazy, who needs THAT MUCH memory? Overkill for sure. Such a waste . I forgot about the need for add on memory. Seems odd today that putting memory on an add on card at the bus speed that that stuff runs at verses the memory channel bus would even be acceptable would it? GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > /gustav > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > > > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > clouded by the years. > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Rocky > > > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > > > Rocky From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 15:49:22 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:49:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Message-ID: Hi Jim Oh, I did figure that out - it was just an attempt of bringing some humour to a boring Friday! /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-04-2008 20:15 >>> Thank you catching that, Gustav. That is what comes when I am working on something else and in between system pauses quickly whizz out a reply... I meant 'ping'. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:00 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Hi Jim So it becomes a black box? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-04-2008 19:03 >>> .. you can not even pink the box. HTH Jim From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 16:18:10 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:18:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Ah yes, life was simpler then. If you had two floppy drives you were happy because you could have the program disk in one and a data disk in the second. Or maybe keep the Dos boot disk in one and put a combined program and data disk in the second 360K 5.25 floppy. I remember when I got my first hard drive on my home system. I was extremely reluctant to give up EITHER of my floppy drives to make room for that hard drive. I originally got a hardrive that was mounted on a full width expansion card so I could keep both floppies. I had nothing but problems with that hard drive on a card though and eventually dumped it for a regular drive. I remember backing up and restoring that problem drive on floppies. Took 3 boxes of 360K floppies. Took several hours of switching them in and out. Then to do a low level format I had to go into DEBUG and do a function to kick it off from the controller someplace. So that part wasn't simpler I guess. But once I got over that I did learn to live with a hard drive instead of that second floppy. I remember something called a Tallgrass hard drive I think it was that we had at work. An External drive. Maybe 5Mb or possibly 10 MB. It had a tape drive built into the external drive controller too as I recall. My recollection is that the original IBM XT we had cost something like $5000 and that Tallgrass was another $5000. So prices have come down a little too. GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > So much have changed. Remember having the floppy controller on a separate add-on board and full height 5.25" floppy drives. > And the motherboards? My first 486 board was a full size board - one half of it covered by DIL sockets you had to fill to reach the massive amount of RAM of ... 4 MB! > > But the old PC keyboard is still the best ever made. The sound was fabulous and the soft feeling has never been surpassed by any other keyboard. At work I still have my original IBM PS/2 keyboard (without the sick Windows buttons of course) but at home I have one of those plastic keyboards with a sound like a piece of toy. I hate it. > > /gustav > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 20:26 >>> > > > That's crazy, who needs THAT MUCH memory? Overkill for sure. Such a > waste . > > I forgot about the need for add on memory. Seems odd today that > putting memory on an add on card at the bus speed that that stuff runs > at verses the memory channel bus would even be acceptable would it? > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Gary > > > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > > > > > > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > > clouded by the years. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > > > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > > > > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 11 16:44:10 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:44:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found Message-ID: Hi Gary Right. Debug! Those were the days. But would you believe, this info is still on-line! Amazing: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/60089 /gustav >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 23:18 >>> Hi Gustav, Ah yes, life was simpler then. If you had two floppy drives you were happy because you could have the program disk in one and a data disk in the second. Or maybe keep the Dos boot disk in one and put a combined program and data disk in the second 360K 5.25 floppy. I remember when I got my first hard drive on my home system. I was extremely reluctant to give up EITHER of my floppy drives to make room for that hard drive. I originally got a hardrive that was mounted on a full width expansion card so I could keep both floppies. I had nothing but problems with that hard drive on a card though and eventually dumped it for a regular drive. I remember backing up and restoring that problem drive on floppies. Took 3 boxes of 360K floppies. Took several hours of switching them in and out. Then to do a low level format I had to go into DEBUG and do a function to kick it off from the controller someplace. So that part wasn't simpler I guess. But once I got over that I did learn to live with a hard drive instead of that second floppy. I remember something called a Tallgrass hard drive I think it was that we had at work. An External drive. Maybe 5Mb or possibly 10 MB. It had a tape drive built into the external drive controller too as I recall. My recollection is that the original IBM XT we had cost something like $5000 and that Tallgrass was another $5000. So prices have come down a little too. GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > So much have changed. Remember having the floppy controller on a separate add-on board and full height 5.25" floppy drives. > And the motherboards? My first 486 board was a full size board - one half of it covered by DIL sockets you had to fill to reach the massive amount of RAM of ... 4 MB! > > But the old PC keyboard is still the best ever made. The sound was fabulous and the soft feeling has never been surpassed by any other keyboard. At work I still have my original IBM PS/2 keyboard (without the sick Windows buttons of course) but at home I have one of those plastic keyboards with a sound like a piece of toy. I hate it. > > /gustav > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 20:26 >>> > > > That's crazy, who needs THAT MUCH memory? Overkill for sure. Such a > waste . > > I forgot about the need for add on memory. Seems odd today that > putting memory on an add on card at the bus speed that that stuff runs > at verses the memory channel bus would even be acceptable would it? > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Gary > > > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > > > > > > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > > clouded by the years. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > > > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > > > > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > > > > > Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 17:15:59 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:15:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Operating system not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi again Gustav, Ha! That is Wild. I still have an old 386-SX computer in a box in storage. The biggest mistake I made in all the computers I have had over the years. It was a "compatable" assembled by a local company. The 80386-SX was a crippled 386 with only a 16 bit external bus and the ability to address less memory. I had nothing but trouble with that system. But I still have it in it's original box. It has an 80MB Hard Card hard drive in a card on it. That was my first WINDOWS system although as I recalled it would run so slowly it was unusable for the most part when running Windows. Was either version 1 or version 2 of Windows. It did have a VGA color monitor though. A 14" NEC Multi Sync that still works today even though I have it stuffed under a desk at home presently as a "just in case" backup monitor. Only works to 800x600 of course. I guess it's time to dig that system out of it's box and see if it still works. If not it's time to send it to the recycler I suppose. GK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Gary > > Right. Debug! Those were the days. > But would you believe, this info is still on-line! Amazing: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/60089 > > /gustav > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 23:18 >>> > > > Hi Gustav, > > Ah yes, life was simpler then. If you had two floppy drives you were > happy because you could have the program disk in one and a data disk > in the second. Or maybe keep the Dos boot disk in one and put a > combined program and data disk in the second 360K 5.25 floppy. I > remember when I got my first hard drive on my home system. I was > extremely reluctant to give up EITHER of my floppy drives to make room > for that hard drive. I originally got a hardrive that was mounted on a > full width expansion card so I could keep both floppies. I had nothing > but problems with that hard drive on a card though and eventually > dumped it for a regular drive. I remember backing up and restoring > that problem drive on floppies. Took 3 boxes of 360K floppies. Took > several hours of switching them in and out. Then to do a low level > format I had to go into DEBUG and do a function to kick it off from > the controller someplace. So that part wasn't simpler I guess. > > But once I got over that I did learn to live with a hard drive instead > of that second floppy. I remember something called a Tallgrass hard > drive I think it was that we had at work. An External drive. Maybe 5Mb > or possibly 10 MB. It had a tape drive built into the external drive > controller too as I recall. My recollection is that the original IBM > XT we had cost something like $5000 and that Tallgrass was another > $5000. So prices have come down a little too. > > GK > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Gary > > > > So much have changed. Remember having the floppy controller on a separate add-on board and full height 5.25" floppy drives. > > And the motherboards? My first 486 board was a full size board - one half of it covered by DIL sockets you had to fill to reach the massive amount of RAM of ... 4 MB! > > > > But the old PC keyboard is still the best ever made. The sound was fabulous and the soft feeling has never been surpassed by any other keyboard. At work I still have my original IBM PS/2 keyboard (without the sick Windows buttons of course) but at home I have one of those plastic keyboards with a sound like a piece of toy. I hate it. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 20:26 >>> > > > > > > That's crazy, who needs THAT MUCH memory? Overkill for sure. Such a > > waste . > > > > I forgot about the need for add on memory. Seems odd today that > > putting memory on an add on card at the bus speed that that stuff runs > > at verses the memory channel bus would even be acceptable would it? > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Gary > > > > > > Oh right, so that's what the AST SixPakPlus (Type 1) Part Number 201177-001 is for: > > > > > > The SixPakPlus is a multi-function Memory Expansion board designed for the IBM > > > PC and XT and 100% compatibles running at 4.77 MHz. In it's standard > > > configuration, it comes with anywhere between 64K and 384K of RAM using > > > industry standard 64K dynamic RAM chips, a Clock/Calendar a Serial Port > > > configurable as COM1: or COM2: and a Parallel Port configurable as LPT1 or > > > LPT2. All memory installed on the SixPakPlus is designed to expand your PC to > > > it's 640K maximum. It does not support extended or EMS/EEMS type memory. In > > > addition to the basic configuration, it can be configured with a Game Port. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> garykjos at gmail.com 11-04-2008 18:09 >>> > > > > > > > > > That's why you had to enter date and time on bootup as I recall. There > > > was an add on card with a battery available as an aftermarket option > > > along with some extra serial and parallel ports and maybe a joystick > > > controller too? It's been a long time though. My memory could be > > > clouded by the years. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > Still have batteries? What are you talking about? > > > > When I open my IBM PC XT no batteries are bolted to the motherboard - it runs on mains power! Very clever. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 11-04-2008 17:18 >>> > > > > > > > > Batteries? Motherboards still have batteries? > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Apr 12 11:45:43 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:45:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Message-ID: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Apr 12 16:24:43 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:24:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c> In what program? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Apr 12 19:05:25 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:05:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it says Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or maybe c:\My Music\Pop. TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In what program? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Apr 12 19:16:32 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:16:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c> You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on that then window button & F? Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, and Ive had a cold drink or three :) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it Folders-->says Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or maybe c:\My Music\Pop. TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In what program? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Apr 12 19:33:20 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:33:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be keyword and shell to Media Player. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on that then window button & F? Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, and Ive had a cold drink or three :) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it Folders-->says Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or maybe c:\My Music\Pop. TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In what program? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Apr 12 19:39:17 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:39:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001701c89cfe$ce465080$0200a8c0@jt2c> I've got an excel macro that searches a specific folder and subfodlers and lists tracks by artist and album... I just use that to find things out. Qith the 65gb of music I have, it's quicker than waiting for WMP to do it's thing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 13 April 2008 01:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be keyword and shell to Media Player. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on that then window button & F? Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, and Ive had a cold drink or three :) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it Folders-->says Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or maybe c:\My Music\Pop. TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In what program? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Dear List: On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is there a way to change the default search folder? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 4:59 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Apr 12 22:34:29 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:34:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Message-ID: <48017F45.5000209@colbyconsulting.com> For about 5 days now I have been working with Vista Ultimate, obtained from the Microsoft 2008 product rollout event the other day. The experience has been a mixed bag but all in all I am pretty impressed with it which to tell the truth I did not expect to be saying. It is "pretty", and if you turn off all the slide outs and fade ins it responds reasonably well. My Dell M90 handles it "OK", with a mid level graphics processor, a dual core cpu and 2 gigs of RAM. The Vista Experience Index is 4.5, which is certainly not stellar but also not too bad, and breaks down as follows: Processor 4.9 Memory 4.5 Graphics 5.9 Gaming Graphics 5.7 Disk 5.4 I am also using the BitLocker full drive encryption and I am amazed at the speed of that. I was expecting a fairly hefty speed hit on the hard drive but it certainly appears not to be so. I can also say that the addition of 2 gigs of a thumb drive for ReadyBoost made a definite difference, things just feel snappier. So much so that I am going to buy a dedicated 2 gig SD flash card to stick in the flash card reader and just leave there. So all things considered I give a cautious thumbs up to Vista on this machine. Vista can be a pain to work with, probably mostly just the learning curve thing but all in all, I like it. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Sun Apr 13 06:03:28 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:03:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000801c89d56$01575cb0$1800a8c0@s1800> Rocky, there is a good searchprog named Agent Ransack - free download. much faster and better than Windows. It remembers the folders once you searched in them. maybe that can help Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a > title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. > > I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be > keyword > and shell to Media Player. > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on > that then window button & F? > > Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, and > Ive had a cold drink or three :) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and > Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it > Folders-->says > Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or > maybe c:\My Music\Pop. > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > In what program? > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > Dear List: > > On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse > drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is > there a way to change the default search folder? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: > 4/11/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: > 4/11/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 12.04.2008 11:32 > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Apr 13 10:29:41 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:29:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <000801c89d56$01575cb0$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <000801c89d56$01575cb0$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <000b01c89d7b$315213e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Lembit: Thanks for the tip. Very nice program. Definitely easier than Windows Search. It's got my last search in the Look In combo box. So once I do a search on a folder that will be easier than drilling down to the folder each time I need to search. Do you know how many searches it saves? And then when you reach the limit do the ones at the top of the bottom drop off? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Rocky, there is a good searchprog named Agent Ransack - free download. much faster and better than Windows. It remembers the folders once you searched in them. maybe that can help Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a > title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. > > I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be > keyword > and shell to Media Player. > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on > that then window button & F? > > Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, and > Ive had a cold drink or three :) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and > Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it > Folders-->says > Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or > maybe c:\My Music\Pop. > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > In what program? > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > Dear List: > > On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse > drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is > there a way to change the default search folder? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: > 4/11/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: > 4/11/2008 > 4:59 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 12.04.2008 11:32 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 11:32 AM From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Sun Apr 13 15:43:32 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:43:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c89d56$01575cb0$1800a8c0@s1800> <000b01c89d7b$315213e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002001c89da7$0a1ab1c0$1800a8c0@s1800> Rocky, I dont have any idea. Long time ago Gustav recommended it, but I was too lazy to install it, so I tried it only now when you asked. :) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > Lembit: > > Thanks for the tip. Very nice program. Definitely easier than Windows > Search. It's got my last search in the Look In combo box. So once I do a > search on a folder that will be easier than drilling down to the folder > each > time I need to search. Do you know how many searches it saves? And then > when you reach the limit do the ones at the top of the bottom drop off? > > Rocky > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > Rocky, > there is a good searchprog named Agent Ransack - free download. much > faster > and better than Windows. > It remembers the folders once you searched in them. maybe that can help > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > >> Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a >> title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. >> >> I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be >> keyword >> and shell to Media Player. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on >> that then window button & F? >> >> Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, >> and >> Ive had a cold drink or three :) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> at >> Beach Access Software >> Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and >> Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it >> Folders-->says >> Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or >> maybe c:\My Music\Pop. >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> In what program? >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> at >> Beach Access Software >> Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 >> To: List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> Dear List: >> >> On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse >> drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is >> there a way to change the default search folder? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: >> 4/11/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: >> 4/11/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: >> 12.04.2008 11:32 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 4/12/2008 > 11:32 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 12.04.2008 11:32 > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Apr 13 18:02:04 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:02:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <002001c89da7$0a1ab1c0$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c89ce3$a0407ff0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00c301c89cfa$13255570$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001601c89cfb$a0b303f0$0200a8c0@jt2c><00eb01c89cfd$f9bf4560$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c89d56$01575cb0$1800a8c0@s1800><000b01c89d7b$315213e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <002001c89da7$0a1ab1c0$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <002e01c89dba$63c59470$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Well, it's pretty slick. If you need it... Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder Rocky, I dont have any idea. Long time ago Gustav recommended it, but I was too lazy to install it, so I tried it only now when you asked. :) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > Lembit: > > Thanks for the tip. Very nice program. Definitely easier than Windows > Search. It's got my last search in the Look In combo box. So once I do a > search on a folder that will be easier than drilling down to the folder > each > time I need to search. Do you know how many searches it saves? And then > when you reach the limit do the ones at the top of the bottom drop off? > > Rocky > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > Rocky, > there is a good searchprog named Agent Ransack - free download. much > faster > and better than Windows. > It remembers the folders once you searched in them. maybe that can help > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder > > >> Shortcut I've got but the mp3 files are all Artist-Title. When I want a >> title and can't remember the artist I use the windows search. >> >> I should probably just write a small Access app to do this. Find be >> keyword >> and shell to Media Player. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:17 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> You could have a shortcut to the folder on your desktop, double click on >> that then window button & F? >> >> Can't think how to set the search default though, but it's is 1:15 am, >> and >> Ive had a cold drink or three :) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> at >> Beach Access Software >> Sent: 13 April 2008 01:05 >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> O. Windows. Start-->Search-->For Files or Folders-->All files and >> Folders-->Look In. It's the Look In I want to change. Right now it >> Folders-->says >> Local Hard Drives (C:;D:;G:). I'd like it to default to c:\My Music or >> maybe c:\My Music\Pop. >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:25 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> In what program? >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> at >> Beach Access Software >> Sent: 12 April 2008 17:46 >> To: List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder >> >> Dear List: >> >> On my music computer when I do a search for a tune I have to click Browse >> drill down to the music folder before putting in the search criteria. Is >> there a way to change the default search folder? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: >> 4/11/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1374 - Release Date: >> 4/11/2008 >> 4:59 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: >> 12.04.2008 11:32 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 4/12/2008 > 11:32 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: > 12.04.2008 11:32 > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 11:32 AM From john at winhaven.net Sun Apr 13 18:44:54 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:44:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <200804132344.m3DNikjm016227@databaseadvisors.com> I Rocky, When you have the "My Music" folder open if you click on the search icon on the window's toolbar and it will default to searching in My Music. Doesn't really tell you this but if you Click "Use Advanced Search Options" on the side bar it will show you this. BTW this works the same in any folder. Hope this helps. John B. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Apr 13 19:31:47 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:31:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder In-Reply-To: <200804132344.m3DNikjm016227@databaseadvisors.com> References: <009801c89cbc$a6b20b50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <200804132344.m3DNikjm016227@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <004401c89dc6$ec6470b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Yes that helps. Because I have shortcuts on the desktop to two or three folders I use a lot. Never used the Search icon on the folder window (never actually saw it until now). Thanks. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Default Folder I Rocky, When you have the "My Music" folder open if you click on the search icon on the window's toolbar and it will default to searching in My Music. Doesn't really tell you this but if you Click "Use Advanced Search Options" on the side bar it will show you this. BTW this works the same in any folder. Hope this helps. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 11:32 AM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Apr 13 20:41:32 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:41:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4802B64C.1070802@colbyconsulting.com> Do we know whether 2008 is based on 2003? I would assume so. Basically it is complaining about my raid controller. I am booting off the raid, so if it kills that then no boot. JWC Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > 2008 requires certified drivers to work. As not every driver made has been > personally certified by MS it is impossible to find a system that 2008 > actually will install without complaining. > > When I first installed it it would not accept the brand-new video card so it > defaulted to 16bit VGA. I went into the device manager and installed one > driver after another from the disk that comes with the motherboard or from > the internet. Each time the system challenged me as to whether I wished to > install an uncertified driver... after that every has been working fine. > > PS Watch out for the Fire-wall. It will block everthing... When running in > default you can not even pink the box. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" > > I'm having a heck of a time getting this stuff running. Server 2008 > tells me I need new drivers for my RAID cards. SQL Server 2008 is > trying to use a file that apparently it doesn't install and which is > missing. Sigh. > > Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi John: >> >> Yes, I have. The Server 2008 is now running and I have been working to get >> the Hyper-V (Virtual Server in common eglish) running. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:37 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of >> Hardware and Software issues'; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" >> >> I just got back from the intro event and am wondering who is using this >> stuff. I got released 2008 Visual Studio as well as released Windows >> Enterprise 2008 (x32 and x64). The SQL Server is not released however > with >> a February CTP available (which I am downloading) in x32 and x64. >> >> So has anyone installed this and using it for real? >> >> Also does anyone have any knowledge about how this stuff will fit into the >> Action Pack? At this time SQL Server 2005 and Windows 2003 is the > available >> there. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Apr 13 20:47:41 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:47:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <4802B64C.1070802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> <4802B64C.1070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001101c89dd1$873e6c80$95bb4580$@rr.com> It is my understanding that Vista and 2008 Server share the same code base. That is why 2008 server is considered SP1 since it was released when Vista SP1 came out. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Do we know whether 2008 is based on 2003? I would assume so. Basically it is complaining about my raid controller. I am booting off the raid, so if it kills that then no boot. From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Apr 13 20:54:19 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:54:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" In-Reply-To: <001101c89dd1$873e6c80$95bb4580$@rr.com> References: <000101c899a7$8d941720$0601a8c0@M90> <958479AA895C459389810CE507DD0EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47FF92F6.4010509@colbyconsulting.com> <4802B64C.1070802@colbyconsulting.com> <001101c89dd1$873e6c80$95bb4580$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001701c89dd2$74951740$5dbf45c0$@rr.com> Here are some links that verify this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/cc296311.aspx?PDA=1 "Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 have a common heritage-they originated as part of the same development effort at Microsoft (code name: Longhorn), and share much of the same code base." http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb852234.aspx "Windows Server 2008 and Windows VistaR, which share a common code base, renew Microsoft's focus on enabling the development of modern applications and services, whether they are written using the Win32R native programming model or the .NET Framework managed programming model. Microsoft provides the foundation for this by focusing on three main concepts:" Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" It is my understanding that Vista and 2008 Server share the same code base. That is why 2008 server is considered SP1 since it was released when Vista SP1 came out. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 2008 "stuff" Do we know whether 2008 is based on 2003? I would assume so. Basically it is complaining about my raid controller. I am booting off the raid, so if it kills that then no boot. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 14 07:35:01 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:35:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Security - readonly folders Message-ID: <48034F75.90205@colbyconsulting.com> Can someone explain to me what is going on in Vista. In XP I would create directories under the c: drive (Colby Consulting for example) and then move things into that folder and use them. In Vista everything under C: appears to be read-only, and I cannot set them to not read-only. Why is this the case and what do I do about it? I have my billing database in C:\ColbyConsulting for example. I can open it but am told that I cannot modify it as it is read-only. The file itself is NOT read-only but the directory is and apparently the file picks up the attribute from the folder? Likewise I have a SQL Server database for my billing on my laptop in that same directory and I suspect that SQL Server will not be able to manipulate that file either. So what is Vista's purpose in doing this and how do I regain control of my own computer? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 14 07:44:52 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:44:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Security - readonly folders In-Reply-To: <48034F75.90205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <48034F75.90205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <480351C4.3070000@colbyconsulting.com> Hmmm... Things aren't as I thought. In this case I was actually trying to get at something in the wrong location and that was read-only. However... (the reason I jumped to that conclusion) the other night I had a zip file of stuff I wanted to unzip into a read-only directory. Try as I might I could not unzip it, I got a bunch of errors saying the destination was read-only. I ended up moving the zip file to my own documents directory, unzipping it there and then copying the unzipped contents back to that read-only directory. And in that case I was unable to set the read-only attribute for the folder to not be read-only. There is something that I do not understand here. jwcolby wrote: > Can someone explain to me what is going on in Vista. In XP I would > create directories under the c: drive (Colby Consulting for example) and > then move things into that folder and use them. In Vista everything > under C: appears to be read-only, and I cannot set them to not read-only. > > Why is this the case and what do I do about it? I have my billing > database in C:\ColbyConsulting for example. I can open it but am told > that I cannot modify it as it is read-only. The file itself is NOT > read-only but the directory is and apparently the file picks up the > attribute from the folder? Likewise I have a SQL Server database for my > billing on my laptop in that same directory and I suspect that SQL > Server will not be able to manipulate that file either. > > So what is Vista's purpose in doing this and how do I regain control of > my own computer? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 17:22:40 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:22:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router Message-ID: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? Susan H. From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Apr 14 17:30:53 2008 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:30:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Security - readonly folders In-Reply-To: <48034F75.90205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <48034F75.90205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <008501c89e7f$33d80750$6601a8c0@Kathryn> Can't answer this, but do know you can't put things in the Program Files folder/subfolders. Found that out on a genealogy program list I'm on. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 14 Apr 2008 5:35 am > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Security - readonly folders > > Can someone explain to me what is going on in Vista. In XP I > would create directories under the c: drive (Colby Consulting > for example) and then move things into that folder and use > them. In Vista everything under C: appears to be read-only, > and I cannot set them to not read-only. > > Why is this the case and what do I do about it? I have my > billing database in C:\ColbyConsulting for example. I can > open it but am told that I cannot modify it as it is > read-only. The file itself is NOT read-only but the > directory is and apparently the file picks up the attribute > from the folder? Likewise I have a SQL Server database for > my billing on my laptop in that same directory and I suspect > that SQL Server will not be able to manipulate that file either. > > So what is Vista's purpose in doing this and how do I regain > control of my own computer? > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release > Date: 13 Apr 08 1:45 pm > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 14 Apr 08 9:26 am From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Apr 14 17:32:15 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:32:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can be plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something vital :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 17:36:24 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:36:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can > be > plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Apr 14 17:41:22 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:41:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200804142241.m3EMfDsm018214@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Susan, There used to be routers that could dial a regular telephone modem. They were generally used for back up internet connections if the broadband was down, so that remote calls could be made into it, and were more expensive. I haven't worked with that kind of setup for a numbers of years now though. I think the common way to do modem sharing in a home network would be to set one Windows PC (or server), with telephone modem connected, as the Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) machine and the rest set to go through it. The ICS would then dial out any time any of the PCs needed an Internet connection. I've never done it but I don't see why it wouldn't work with a wireless router. The ICS shouldn't really know that the PC requesting the connection is wireless or not. The wireless protocols are all faster than the dial-up so there shouldn't be any lag time. This is a lot of speculation so if anyone responds with first hand knowledge take it :o) HTH John B. From john at winhaven.net Mon Apr 14 17:42:59 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:42:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally misunderstood what you were asking for! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 17:48:35 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:48:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally misunderstood > what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i > don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember > anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Apr 14 17:55:49 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:55:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <004701c89e82$afffe7a0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Ah, cable modems are different to normal modems (at least they are in the UK). They're like a router, but not quite the same. What you need to get is a router with a cable modem interface, as not all of them do it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 14 April 2008 23:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router > can be plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed > something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 18:02:49 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:02:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e82$afffe7a0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <004901c89e83$ac9eece0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> OK. Thank you. :) Susan H. > Ah, cable modems are different to normal modems (at least they are in the > UK). They're like a router, but not quite the same. What you need to get > is > a router with a cable modem interface, as not all of them do it. From pharold at proftesting.com Mon Apr 14 18:05:15 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:05:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Cable modem brings the cable into the structure. Attach the wireless router to the cable modem with Cat 5 or 6 cable. Then set up the wireless network by using the setup software for the router. Be sure to use at least WEP and preferably WAP so your wireless network is secure. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router > can be plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed > something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Apr 14 19:00:19 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:00:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Susan: I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with these: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B0002IHP 58 Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect - like a hardwired connection. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally > misunderstood what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 19:00:46 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:00:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <006001c89e8b$db8023f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > Cable modem brings the cable into the structure. Attach the wireless > router to the cable modem with Cat 5 or 6 cable. Then set up the > wireless network by using the setup software for the router. Be sure to > use at least WEP and preferably WAP so your wireless network is secure. ======Pretty much what the guy at the store said. :) Thank you guys a lot! Keep your fingers crossed as I am technically challenged when it comes to hardware and the like. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 19:05:36 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:05:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <009d01c89e8c$709d5bb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I may need you later. ;) Susan H. > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with > these: From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Apr 15 00:42:48 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:42:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Susan: The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the standard router via the unlink port. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can > be > plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Tue Apr 15 01:29:58 2008 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:29:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Depending on your cable modem type there may or may not be a DHCP server and/or some firewall in it. It is best to connect the Wireless router uplink (often called WAN or internet port) to the modem port. This way all your computers are protected by the Wireless routers protection/firewall and possibly also by the modem if any security in it. Most of cable modems, at my knowledge, don't have a router function and no security so all ports are plain open. You're wireless routers need to be a broadband router with a Ethernet uplink (RJ45). There are a lot of routers with a build in ADSL modem. You can not use these because they have a telephone line uplink (RJ11). Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the standard router via the unlink port. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can > be > plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Apr 15 02:20:35 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:20:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <48A418130BF2426C9FDDAC88389A94E9@creativesystemdesigns.com> A quick retraction on that... it is any other port than the uplink port off the wireless modem. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the standard router via the unlink port. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? We're just trying to hook up other computers. We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember anything about the hardware. Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. Susan H. > If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can > be > plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something vital > :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 07:18:40 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:18:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> I have no idea what you just said. :) Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. Susan H. > Susan: > > The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the > standard router via the unlink port. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i > don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember > anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > >> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can >> be >> plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something >> vital >> :-) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >> >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 07:20:00 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:20:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <00af01c89ef3$3b7a6e20$6500a8c0@SusanOne> > It is best to connect the Wireless router uplink (often called WAN or > internet port) to the modem port. ========That's what i did. > This way all your computers are protected by the Wireless routers > protection/firewall and possibly also by the modem if any security in > it. Most of cable modems, at my knowledge, don't have a router function > and no security so all ports are plain open. ========Yes, you are correct, at least the one I'm using is wide open. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 15 07:32:37 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:32:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <00af01c89ef3$3b7a6e20$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <00af01c89ef3$3b7a6e20$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4804A065.8060808@colbyconsulting.com> Susan, I am happy to see you getting a router. 8-) Susan Harkins wrote: >> It is best to connect the Wireless router uplink (often called WAN or >> internet port) to the modem port. > > ========That's what i did. > >> This way all your computers are protected by the Wireless routers >> protection/firewall and possibly also by the modem if any security in >> it. Most of cable modems, at my knowledge, don't have a router function >> and no security so all ports are plain open. > > ========Yes, you are correct, at least the one I'm using is wide open. > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 07:39:51 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:39:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C1@stekelbes.ithelps.local><00af01c89ef3$3b7a6e20$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <4804A065.8060808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00d801c89ef5$e853a0b0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Well, now, can you fix my cable TV signal???? ;) Yes, we have the appropriate switch at all where the cable comes in. No clue why the wireless is interfering and truly, it might not be -- could be something else and just a coincidence. Susan H. > Susan, > > I am happy to see you getting a router. 8-) From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Apr 15 07:53:44 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:53:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <002f01c89ef7$bd442690$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I'd call them for an appointment to have the cable guy come out and see if the signal can be boosted. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router I have no idea what you just said. :) Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. Susan H. > Susan: > > The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the > standard router via the unlink port. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > >> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router >> can be plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed >> something vital >> :-) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >> >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 07:59:32 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:59:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <002f01c89ef7$bd442690$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <016701c89ef9$5fb32380$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Might have to. :( Susan H. > I'd call them for an appointment to have the cable guy come out and see if > the signal can be boosted. From pharold at proftesting.com Tue Apr 15 08:21:50 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:21:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with these: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 2IHP 58 Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect - like a hardwired connection. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally > misunderstood what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 08:27:26 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <019901c89efc$7615da70$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Well... My system runs just fine with the wireless, as I expected, although, it does seem to be interfering with the cable TV reception. :( Now my problem is that I can't install the wireless adaptor on the other system. Susan H. > Rocky > > The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with > Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful > connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my > house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are > more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. > > When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it > with > these: > > http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 > 2IHP > 58 > > Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect > - like a hardwired connection. > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > :) > > I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? > > Susan H. > > >> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally >> misunderstood what you were asking for! >> >> John B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > >> We're >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > >> i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't >> remember anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: > 4/13/2008 > 1:45 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Apr 15 08:30:59 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:30:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <016701c89ef9$5fb32380$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne><002f01c89ef7$bd442690$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <016701c89ef9$5fb32380$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <003701c89efc$f20b6780$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I've done that a couple times here. I don't know about the service of your cable company but here Time Warner is really startling. They crawled up under the roof, replaced splitter with high quality stuff, provided a booster, even ran a wire from the street along the side of the house and through the wall to provide my modem with a real clean signal. I'm really impressed with them. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Might have to. :( Susan H. > I'd call them for an appointment to have the cable guy come out and > see if the signal can be boosted. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Apr 15 08:34:56 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:34:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <003801c89efd$7e7f5e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Hardware - it's a world of mystery to me. In my case there was a refrigerator and a microwave between the router and my wife's computer. So the signal was always a bit sketchy. Even a booster relay thingy halfway in between didn't help. The Netgear box worked perfectly for me. I wonder if old wiring would make a difference. Or maybe the technology has improved - how long ago was it that you tried the Gigafast. The other thing I like about the wall plug is that the connection is real fast - it's like hard wired. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Rocky The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with these: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 2IHP 58 Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect - like a hardwired connection. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally > misunderstood what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 15 08:53:46 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:53:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of the circuit. IOW the voltage brought into your house has TWO 120 volt "sides". In my case one half (roughly) of my house runs on one side, the other 1/2 runs on the other side. I assume that is to "balance" the load on the lines coming in though it may simply be chance. Not sure but I know that this house will not support a "wiring" network, or more literally, you will get signal to 1/2 of the house. I have heard that there is a widget that can be placed across the two "sides" to cause the signal to route over to the other side. Perry L Harold wrote: > Rocky > > The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with > Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful > connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my > house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are > more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. > > When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it > with > these: > > http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 > 2IHP > 58 > > Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect > - like a hardwired connection. > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > :) > > I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? > > Susan H. > > >> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally >> misunderstood what you were asking for! >> >> John B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > >> We're >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > >> i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't >> remember anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: > 4/13/2008 > 1:45 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From pharold at proftesting.com Tue Apr 15 08:55:22 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:55:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <003801c89efd$7e7f5e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Probably 7 or 8 years ago. Around the time that the power technology started. Perry Harold -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Hardware - it's a world of mystery to me. In my case there was a refrigerator and a microwave between the router and my wife's computer. So the signal was always a bit sketchy. Even a booster relay thingy halfway in between didn't help. The Netgear box worked perfectly for me. I wonder if old wiring would make a difference. Or maybe the technology has improved - how long ago was it that you tried the Gigafast. The other thing I like about the wall plug is that the connection is real fast - it's like hard wired. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Rocky The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with these: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 2IHP 58 Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect - like a hardwired connection. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally > misunderstood what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 08:59:10 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:59:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> This is an old house and there are several circuits -- not just one. Could that be my problem? Well, circuit might be the wrong term -- Mike calls them "boxes." Susan H. > There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems > can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" > networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the > circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of > the circuit. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 15 09:20:18 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:20:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> <020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4804B9A2.8070802@colbyconsulting.com> If you are talking about your tv reception then no. I am discussing the "wired" network that Rocky uses which transmits the signal over the AC wiring in the house. TV reception problems are caused by issues in the coax used to route the tv (cable) signal to the TVs and routers. Coax is a round black cable. It typically comes through the wall into the basement or attic. From there it usually immediately is screwed into a "splitter" which is a little silver or gold box with 3 to 6 or more screw on (threaded) connectors. These splitters do exactly that, split the signal out and sent it off to the various rooms of the house for the TVs. Older houses may have splitters that are simply old and inefficient or corroded. Or you may have a splitter feeding another splitter feeding another splitter etc. Each splitter will cause the signal level to drop, thus you are usually better off with a single splitter if you can get away with it. In my house I have a three way splitter - one input and three outputs. One output goes to my phone modem (phone over the cable) right there in the basement. One output goes to my internet modem ( a single cable snaked upstairs to my office) One output goes to an amplifier (TV) right there in the basement which amplifies the signal TV cable signal. The amplifier then goes into a 5 way splitter which sends 5 TV signal cables off to various rooms in the house. NOTICE that the first splitter is where the cable modem and the phone modem pick off their signal. All of this is down in my basement, in the overhead of the basement. Because of this it is quite easy to visually trace the cables from input to routers and to the amplifier and then the second splitter, it is all visible above your head. It is really the cable company's job to fix any signal problems though, as long as you don't have faulty cables inside of your house. If the TV worked before the internet modem was installed then you probably have a simple problem somewhere. If you have no or almost no TV signal anywhere in the house then you probably just have a loose or disconnected cable supplying the tv side of things. The internet cable modem itself will not cause a problem and the router is BEHIND the cable modem, and in fact uses a different type of cable entirely, so that is definitely not the problem. Susan Harkins wrote: > This is an old house and there are several circuits -- not just one. Could > that be my problem? Well, circuit might be the wrong term -- Mike calls them > "boxes." > > Susan H. > > >> There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems >> can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" >> networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the >> circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of >> the circuit. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:26:36 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:26:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com><002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com><020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <4804B9A2.8070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <028b01c89f04$bb4c6250$6500a8c0@SusanOne> There could be more than one splitter at work here. That sounds like the most likely problem. Susan H. > TV reception problems are caused by issues in the coax used to route the > tv (cable) signal to the TVs and routers. Coax is a round black cable. > It typically comes through the wall into the basement or attic. From > there it usually immediately is screwed into a "splitter" which is a > little silver or gold box with 3 to 6 or more screw on (threaded) > connectors. These splitters do exactly that, split the signal out and > sent it off to the various rooms of the house for the TVs. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Apr 15 09:34:35 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:34:35 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router Message-ID: Hi John That widget is a condensator, not very large - 10 nF will do, I guess, though high voltage of course - but the difference with the new products is, that they run on much higher frequency, so high that the capacity of the wiring alone should be able to transfer the carrier from one power phase to the other (US, the other two in Europe). Read on here: Powerline Communications Cross-phase Coupling http://www.intellon.com/pdfs/whitepaper_PLCCrossphase.pdf /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-04-2008 15:53 >>> There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of the circuit. IOW the voltage brought into your house has TWO 120 volt "sides". In my case one half (roughly) of my house runs on one side, the other 1/2 runs on the other side. I assume that is to "balance" the load on the lines coming in though it may simply be chance. Not sure but I know that this house will not support a "wiring" network, or more literally, you will get signal to 1/2 of the house. I have heard that there is a widget that can be placed across the two "sides" to cause the signal to route over to the other side. Perry L Harold wrote: > Rocky > > The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with > Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful > connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my > house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are > more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. > > When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it > with > these: > > http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 > 2IHP > 58 > > Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect > - like a hardwired connection. > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > :) > > I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? > > Susan H. > > >> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally >> misunderstood what you were asking for! >> >> John B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > >> We're >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > >> i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't >> remember anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. From hkotsch at arcor.de Tue Apr 15 09:40:16 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: We have normally three-phase AC current in our houses. The "wiring" networks will work best if they are all connected to the same phase. They also work across phases since somewhere in your house the three phases end up in a single cable where some coupling takes place. However the performance goes down. To overcome this problem there are devices available called "phase-couplers" which couple the high frequency data to the other phases. One additional thing to consider is that the network plug should be plugged directly into the wall plug without using any extension cord because the extension cords using twisted flexible wires are not good in transporting high frequencies. You loose signal strength. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von jwcolby Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. April 2008 15:54 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of the circuit. IOW the voltage brought into your house has TWO 120 volt "sides". In my case one half (roughly) of my house runs on one side, the other 1/2 runs on the other side. I assume that is to "balance" the load on the lines coming in though it may simply be chance. Not sure but I know that this house will not support a "wiring" network, or more literally, you will get signal to 1/2 of the house. I have heard that there is a widget that can be placed across the two "sides" to cause the signal to route over to the other side. Perry L Harold wrote: > Rocky > > The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with > Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful > connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my > house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are > more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. > > When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it > with > these: > > http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 > 2IHP > 58 > > Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect > - like a hardwired connection. > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > :) > > I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? > > Susan H. > > >> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally >> misunderstood what you were asking for! >> >> John B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > >> We're >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > >> i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't >> remember anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: > 4/13/2008 > 1:45 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Tue Apr 15 09:43:31 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:43:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router Message-ID: We only have single phase cabling in homes in the UK. Some businesses have up to three phases with different amp ratings on the fuses. Homes tend to be limited to 13 amps (I think, I'm NOT an electrician!), whereas I know at work we have three phases of 415 amps. I was told by the electrician installing a second phase in my server room not to mix the phases across equipment though, as, much like in Ghostbusters, you shouldn't cross the streams. It would be bad. He said something about the "potential" and the risk of BIG shocks from bridging two phases, so this worries me slightly. Not being an expert and all :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 15 April 2008 15:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router We have normally three-phase AC current in our houses. The "wiring" networks will work best if they are all connected to the same phase. They also work across phases since somewhere in your house the three phases end up in a single cable where some coupling takes place. However the performance goes down. To overcome this problem there are devices available called "phase-couplers" which couple the high frequency data to the other phases. One additional thing to consider is that the network plug should be plugged directly into the wall plug without using any extension cord because the extension cords using twisted flexible wires are not good in transporting high frequencies. You loose signal strength. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von jwcolby Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. April 2008 15:54 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router There is an additional issue here which is that electrical power systems can come off of opposite sides of the 240 volt lines. These "wiring" networks work just fine for all sockets on the "same side" of the circuit but completely fail for all sockets on the "opposite side" of the circuit. IOW the voltage brought into your house has TWO 120 volt "sides". In my case one half (roughly) of my house runs on one side, the other 1/2 runs on the other side. I assume that is to "balance" the load on the lines coming in though it may simply be chance. Not sure but I know that this house will not support a "wiring" network, or more literally, you will get signal to 1/2 of the house. I have heard that there is a widget that can be placed across the two "sides" to cause the signal to route over to the other side. Perry L Harold wrote: > Rocky > > The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it > with Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful > connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and > my house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices > are more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. > > When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin at Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > Susan: > > I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it > with > these: > > http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B0 > 00 > 2IHP > 58 > > Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. > Perfect > - like a hardwired connection. > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > :) > > I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? > > Susan H. > > >> OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally >> misunderstood what you were asking for! >> >> John B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we >> don't? > >> We're >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, >> but > >> i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't >> remember anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: > 4/13/2008 1:45 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:54:39 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:54:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <028b01c89f04$bb4c6250$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> <020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <4804B9A2.8070802@colbyconsulting.com> <028b01c89f04$bb4c6250$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: A lot of time the connections at the end of the cables are not attched correctly too. And you have to have your TV set for CABLE and not ANTENNA so it tunes correctly.I'd call the cable compnay though and have them come out and have a look see. My wireless router is in the basement in a corner room. It works just fine on the first floor and second floor too. And outside on the deck. And in the garage which is on first floor and on the other side of the house. And on the other side of the kitchen. Mine works basically everywhere on my property. And I can see about 8 of my neighbors wireless networks as well if I do a "see all wireless networks" Most of them are "secure connections" and I cannot connect to them but at least one of them is open and my laptop sometimes will mistakenly connect to that one even though it is sitting within 4 feet of MY router. I don't know I am using someone elses connection until I try to print or access a shared drive on one of my other computers and it can't find it and I realise, "OH, I'm connected to someone elses network and not my own." A good reminder for keeping MY network as secure as I can. It probably matters how good your laptop wireless adapter is and how good your routers antennae are. My laptop has the wireless built in, no add in card is used. I don't know if that is better or worse than an add in card but it seems to work well for me. Marty does sometime have to do a "repair connection" to get her system connected but that is only about one in ten reboots I think. GK. On 4/15/08, Susan Harkins wrote: > There could be more than one splitter at work here. That sounds like the > most likely problem. > > Susan H. > > > TV reception problems are caused by issues in the coax used to route the > > tv (cable) signal to the TVs and routers. Coax is a round black cable. > > It typically comes through the wall into the basement or attic. From > > there it usually immediately is screwed into a "splitter" which is a > > little silver or gold box with 3 to 6 or more screw on (threaded) > > connectors. These splitters do exactly that, split the signal out and > > sent it off to the various rooms of the house for the TVs. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From robert at servicexp.com Tue Apr 15 10:35:12 2008 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:35:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? In-Reply-To: References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4804B36A.7000900@colbyconsulting.com> <020f01c89f00$e52e6ae0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <4804B9A2.8070802@colbyconsulting.com> <028b01c89f04$bb4c6250$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <003301c89f0e$4c84a8a0$e58df9e0$@com> I've just started testing this with a D-Link 323, and it SEEMS to work. Any thoughts? WBR ~Robert From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Tue Apr 15 10:36:45 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:36:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? Message-ID: BE = Backup Exec? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: 15 April 2008 16:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? I've just started testing this with a D-Link 323, and it SEEMS to work. Any thoughts? WBR ~Robert _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From robert at servicexp.com Tue Apr 15 11:52:59 2008 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:52:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003701c89f19$2cdda0a0$8698e1e0$@com> I'm sorry, "BE" as in Back End Access Database... AXP WBR ~Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? BE = Backup Exec? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: 15 April 2008 16:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] BE on a Network Storage Device..??? I've just started testing this with a D-Link 323, and it SEEMS to work. Any thoughts? WBR ~Robert _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Apr 15 14:13:17 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:13:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: Hi Susan: >From your initial comments I am assuming that you are asking about a standard cable configuration using a cable modem, a router and a wireless hub/router. When the router is connected to the cable modem the uplink port is used. Sometimes it is not labeled but it is generally separated from the other ports and may be coloured differently. When connecting the wireless hub/router to the router do not use uplink port, as described in the previous sentence, as using it, depending on the wireless modem hub/router can cause issues with both LAN and internet connections. Hope this is clear now :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router I have no idea what you just said. :) Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. Susan H. > Susan: > > The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the > standard router via the unlink port. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i > don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember > anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > >> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router can >> be >> plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something >> vital >> :-) >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >> >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 14:11:48 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:11:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <018401c89f2c$8fee0fa0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Computers are working famously. :) It's the TV cable that's crap now. I'll let Bill check the splitter when he gets home and if that doesn't improve things we may have to call the cable company. FWIW, I am delighted with the D-link wireless router and compatible receiver. It was easy to install and we never hit the first snag. Susan H. > Hi Susan: > >>From your initial comments I am assuming that you are asking about a > standard cable configuration using a cable modem, a router and a wireless > hub/router. > > When the router is connected to the cable modem the uplink port is used. > Sometimes it is not labeled but it is generally separated from the other > ports and may be coloured differently. When connecting the wireless > hub/router to the router do not use uplink port, as described in the > previous sentence, as using it, depending on the wireless modem hub/router > can cause issues with both LAN and internet connections. > > Hope this is clear now :-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > I have no idea what you just said. :) > > Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. > > Susan H. > > >> Susan: >> >> The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the >> standard router via the unlink port. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? >> We're >> >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i >> don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember >> anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router >>> can >>> be >>> plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something >>> vital >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >>> Harkins >>> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >>> To: DBA Tech List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >>> >>> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >>> >>> Susan H. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Apr 15 14:19:30 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:19:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <003801c89efd$7e7f5e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <200804142242.m3EMgo5K018823@databaseadvisors.com> <002201c89e81$aea81540$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <004701c89e8b$b1d2e3d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <003801c89efd$7e7f5e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <27C59A67FA4E48D7B7C972F885486298@creativesystemdesigns.com> I know how you feel I have never been able to connect microwaves, refridgerates and computers either. ;-) Another note: A switch hub/router is necessary for a reliable connection when you are mixing 10/100 Mbit and GigaByte NICs on the same LAN. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Hardware - it's a world of mystery to me. In my case there was a refrigerator and a microwave between the router and my wife's computer. So the signal was always a bit sketchy. Even a booster relay thingy halfway in between didn't help. The Netgear box worked perfectly for me. I wonder if old wiring would make a difference. Or maybe the technology has improved - how long ago was it that you tried the Gigafast. The other thing I like about the wall plug is that the connection is real fast - it's like hard wired. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Rocky The success of this wireless may depend on the wiring. I tried it with Homeplug from Gigafast and never was able to make any successful connections. That was one of the first efforts at the technology and my house is 40+ years old with equivalent wiring. Maybe the devices are more advanced now and the chances of success are increased. When I switched to regular wireless it installed with no problems. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Susan: I had all kinds of problems with wireless in the house. Replaced it with these: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-XE102-Wall-Plugged-Ethernet-Bridge/dp/B000 2IHP 58 Foolproof. Just plug and play. No software. No configuring. Perfect - like a hardwired connection. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router :) I admit, I was confused! :) Did I use the wrong term? Susan H. > OK - TOTALLY disregard the response I just sent. I totally > misunderstood what you were asking for! > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? > We're > just trying to hook up other computers. > > We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but > i don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't > remember anything about the hardware. > > Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Apr 15 16:58:45 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:58:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage Message-ID: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in games, not for IE! Something isn't right here... Jon From robert at servicexp.com Tue Apr 15 17:19:15 2008 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:19:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage In-Reply-To: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <006e01c89f46$c1574bf0$4405e3d0$@com> Something is very wrong there... I just checked and I have 7 tabs open, two of which contain large .pfd files and I'm running just at 51 megs... WBR ~Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in games, not for IE! Something isn't right here... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tortise at paradise.net.nz Tue Apr 15 17:25:01 2008 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:25:01 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> <006e01c89f46$c1574bf0$4405e3d0$@com> Message-ID: <005d01c89f47$8bee6510$6300a8c0@dp2000xp> It seems some URL's cause vastly more resource to be utilised than others. What are the particular URL's, if you do not mind? Kind regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage Something is very wrong there... I just checked and I have 7 tabs open, two of which contain large .pfd files and I'm running just at 51 megs... WBR ~Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in games, not for IE! Something isn't right here... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Apr 15 17:35:07 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:35:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage In-Reply-To: <005d01c89f47$8bee6510$6300a8c0@dp2000xp> References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c><006e01c89f46$c1574bf0$4405e3d0$@com> <005d01c89f47$8bee6510$6300a8c0@dp2000xp> Message-ID: <007801c89f48$f4e96fa0$0200a8c0@jt2c> Two of them are facebook, one is the radio times online tv guide, and two were sites I was looking at to find hints for a best mans speech. I've noticed that if I close IE, and reopen the pages it's not using anywhere near as much, like it doesn't empty it's cache until you close it, regardless of whether you close the tab or not. Seems a bit odd to me though. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tortise Sent: 15 April 2008 23:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage It seems some URL's cause vastly more resource to be utilised than others. What are the particular URL's, if you do not mind? Kind regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage Something is very wrong there... I just checked and I have 7 tabs open, two of which contain large .pfd files and I'm running just at 51 megs... WBR ~Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in games, not for IE! Something isn't right here... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Apr 15 23:48:54 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage In-Reply-To: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <9616E88C47234D30897111D3DE911209@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Jon: IE7 has a bleeding issue and if left running on your PC long enough it will eventually consume all memory and force you to reboot the system. There is no official confirmation on this subject but have confirmed that IE7 inconjunction with other application will result with this affect. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in games, not for IE! Something isn't right here... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu Wed Apr 16 03:32:40 2008 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:32:40 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <018401c89f2c$8fee0fa0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Are you using a wireless system for your tv cable? Maybe you are using the same channel and you need to change the WiFi channel from either the Wifi Router or the Wireless Cable. Wireless digital phones (DECT) can also interfere with Wifi and other wireless devices. Sometimes you just need to change the channel to have a better reception. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Computers are working famously. :) It's the TV cable that's crap now. I'll let Bill check the splitter when he gets home and if that doesn't improve things we may have to call the cable company. FWIW, I am delighted with the D-link wireless router and compatible receiver. It was easy to install and we never hit the first snag. Susan H. > Hi Susan: > >>From your initial comments I am assuming that you are asking about a > standard cable configuration using a cable modem, a router and a wireless > hub/router. > > When the router is connected to the cable modem the uplink port is used. > Sometimes it is not labeled but it is generally separated from the other > ports and may be coloured differently. When connecting the wireless > hub/router to the router do not use uplink port, as described in the > previous sentence, as using it, depending on the wireless modem hub/router > can cause issues with both LAN and internet connections. > > Hope this is clear now :-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > I have no idea what you just said. :) > > Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. > > Susan H. > > >> Susan: >> >> The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the >> standard router via the unlink port. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? >> We're >> >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i >> don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember >> anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router >>> can >>> be >>> plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something >>> vital >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >>> Harkins >>> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >>> To: DBA Tech List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >>> >>> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >>> >>> Susan H. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 05:27:27 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:27:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage In-Reply-To: <9616E88C47234D30897111D3DE911209@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> <9616E88C47234D30897111D3DE911209@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Yes! I had that problem with IE 7. It was only fixed by a reboot. I've switched to Firefox for the most part because of that issue. GK On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Jon: > > IE7 has a bleeding issue and if left running on your PC long enough it will > eventually consume all memory and force you to reboot the system. There is > no official confirmation on this subject but have confirmed that IE7 > inconjunction with other application will result with this affect. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:59 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage > > > > OK, enough is enough... I thought I was seeing things when I noticed that > IE7 was using over 500mb of RAM last week, tonight it's using 1gb. I've only > got 4 tabs open, and it's not like I'm running complex weather calculations > in java programs or anything... Why is it doing this? > > I have 2gb of RAM, but when IE is using more than half of it, it starts to > get a bit slow. I don't think it's anything bad, because I only reinstalled > Windows at Easter, and I put on fully updated version of a firewall, > antivirus and antispyware before I let it loose on the internet. I even ran > it with al lthe addons disabled, and it still eats memory. I was thinking of > getting more memory for the PC anyway, but that was for performance in > games, not for IE! > > Something isn't right here... > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 06:42:45 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:42:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer memory usage References: <006d01c89f43$e0997e00$0200a8c0@jt2c> <9616E88C47234D30897111D3DE911209@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <03c501c89fb7$5e410490$6500a8c0@SusanOne> Jim, that would explain some issues I have -- thanks! Susan H. > Hi Jon: > > IE7 has a bleeding issue and if left running on your PC long enough it > will > eventually consume all memory and force you to reboot the system. There is > no official confirmation on this subject but have confirmed that IE7 > inconjunction with other application will result with this affect. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 06:50:51 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:50:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne><018401c89f2c$8fee0fa0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <042c01c89fb8$5a858dc0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> > Are you using a wireless system for your tv cable? > Maybe you are using the same channel and you need to change the WiFi > channel from either the Wifi Router or the Wireless Cable. ======Erwin, it isn't wireless cable. As for channels, I can't say. How can I find out? Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Apr 16 07:05:54 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:05:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <000801c89e7e$10c36d50$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004301c89e7f$64611ba0$0200a8c0@jt2c><000f01c89e7f$fa2086d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><5CC2F43E0469462788C6AD07A66FC7D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00ae01c89ef3$3a552800$6500a8c0@SusanOne><018401c89f2c$8fee0fa0$6500a8c0@SusanOne> <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02772C7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <001201c89fba$39874940$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I believe it's the 2.4GHz phones that interfere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Are you using a wireless system for your tv cable? Maybe you are using the same channel and you need to change the WiFi channel from either the Wifi Router or the Wireless Cable. Wireless digital phones (DECT) can also interfere with Wifi and other wireless devices. Sometimes you just need to change the channel to have a better reception. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router Computers are working famously. :) It's the TV cable that's crap now. I'll let Bill check the splitter when he gets home and if that doesn't improve things we may have to call the cable company. FWIW, I am delighted with the D-link wireless router and compatible receiver. It was easy to install and we never hit the first snag. Susan H. > Hi Susan: > >>From your initial comments I am assuming that you are asking about a > standard cable configuration using a cable modem, a router and a wireless > hub/router. > > When the router is connected to the cable modem the uplink port is used. > Sometimes it is not labeled but it is generally separated from the other > ports and may be coloured differently. When connecting the wireless > hub/router to the router do not use uplink port, as described in the > previous sentence, as using it, depending on the wireless modem hub/router > can cause issues with both LAN and internet connections. > > Hope this is clear now :-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router > > I have no idea what you just said. :) > > Well, it works Okay, but not the cable TV sucks. > > Susan H. > > >> Susan: >> >> The only point to remember is to not connect the wireless modem to the >> standard router via the unlink port. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:36 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] modem/router >> >> It's cable internet and I think we need the modem, but maybe we don't? >> We're >> >> just trying to hook up other computers. >> >> We had a wireless setup several years ago that worked really well, but i >> don't remember if the modem was "special" or what -- I don't remember >> anything about the hardware. >> >> Also, how does wireless handle stories? This house has two floors. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> If it's a router, why would you want to use a modem with it? A router >>> can >>> be >>> plugged straihgt into the phone line... Unless I've missed something >>> vital >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >>> Harkins >>> Sent: 14 April 2008 23:23 >>> To: DBA Tech List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] modem/router >>> >>> Can I use a wireless router with a regular modem (not wireless)? >>> >>> Susan H. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Apr 18 13:34:09 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:34:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> Message-ID: <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: This is a bit of an emergency... Does anyone have a floppy drive copy of Ghost or Acronis True Image (I have never used this product) that I can download? I have searched high and low for my original CD but it seems to have been lost by either me or my partner. Any help would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 18 13:48:54 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:48:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com><7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com><007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c><007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c><003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> Jim, I recently had a similar problem, blew up my hard drive and had not made a boot disk for version TrueImage 11. I downloaded the demo from Acronis, installed it in another machine, made an emergency boot disk CD. from that PC, booted my old PC and restored the hard drive. Version 11 is backward compatible. As soon as I got the old machine working I made another recovery CD with that licensed copy and tossed the one I made from the demo (It's good for 30 days I think. If you really need a boot floppy this won't work because its about 42 megs. HTH Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi All: This is a bit of an emergency... Does anyone have a floppy drive copy of Ghost or Acronis True Image (I have never used this product) that I can download? I have searched high and low for my original CD but it seems to have been lost by either me or my partner. Any help would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Apr 18 15:10:49 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:10:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <200804182010.m3IKAdk3031536@databaseadvisors.com> Jim, I've been testing open source imaging software and this one is looking pretty good: http://selfimage.excelcia.org/ It can be run from BART PE or UBCD. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Importance: High Hi All: This is a bit of an emergency... Does anyone have a floppy drive copy of Ghost or Acronis True Image (I have never used this product) that I can download? I have searched high and low for my original CD but it seems to have been lost by either me or my partner. Any help would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Apr 19 10:11:16 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:11:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <200804182010.m3IKAdk3031536@databaseadvisors.com> References: <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> <200804182010.m3IKAdk3031536@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <081026E135FA4FBDAD2055FDDD036603@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: I will be also testing it and share my results. Thank you for the link. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Jim, I've been testing open source imaging software and this one is looking pretty good: http://selfimage.excelcia.org/ It can be run from BART PE or UBCD. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Importance: High Hi All: This is a bit of an emergency... Does anyone have a floppy drive copy of Ghost or Acronis True Image (I have never used this product) that I can download? I have searched high and low for my original CD but it seems to have been lost by either me or my partner. Any help would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Apr 19 10:14:16 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:14:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive In-Reply-To: <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> Message-ID: Hi Bill: That is an excellent idea. I will test both Ghost and Acronis before making a final decision on which one to purchase. Right now it is just to get things backedup and restored. Thank you for your help Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Jim, I recently had a similar problem, blew up my hard drive and had not made a boot disk for version TrueImage 11. I downloaded the demo from Acronis, installed it in another machine, made an emergency boot disk CD. from that PC, booted my old PC and restored the hard drive. Version 11 is backward compatible. As soon as I got the old machine working I made another recovery CD with that licensed copy and tossed the one I made from the demo (It's good for 30 days I think. If you really need a boot floppy this won't work because its about 42 megs. HTH Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Copying and entire hard drive Hi All: This is a bit of an emergency... Does anyone have a floppy drive copy of Ghost or Acronis True Image (I have never used this product) that I can download? I have searched high and low for my original CD but it seems to have been lost by either me or my partner. Any help would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 21 11:05:04 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:05:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Message-ID: <480CBB30.7030909@colbyconsulting.com> I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the cartoon load and then it disappears. He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert back). Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 11:23:51 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Message-ID: <378981.80350.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? ----- Original Message ---- From: jwcolby To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the cartoon load and then it disappears. He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert back). Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 21 11:31:13 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:31:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <378981.80350.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <378981.80350.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CC151.5000902@colbyconsulting.com> Not to my knowledge, where are they? When I look in the log I see: Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration dropped. Source File: http://dilbert.com/ Line: 0 And then Error: OAS_RICH is not defined Source File: http://dilbert.com/ Line: 62 Several more similar, all having to do with the Dilbert page. Rusty Hammond wrote: > I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed > the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the > cartoon load and then it disappears. > > He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert > back). > > Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? > > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 12:34:53 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Message-ID: <104985.10095.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Tools, Options. There are several options pages you can look at. Under Content make sure java and javascript are enabled. ----- Original Message ---- From: jwcolby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:31:13 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Not to my knowledge, where are they? When I look in the log I see: Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration dropped. Source File: http://dilbert.com/ Line: 0 And then Error: OAS_RICH is not defined Source File: http://dilbert.com/ Line: 62 Several more similar, all having to do with the Dilbert page. Rusty Hammond wrote: > I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jwcolby > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed > the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the > cartoon load and then it disappears. > > He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert > back). > > Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? > > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 21 12:56:07 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:56:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <104985.10095.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <104985.10095.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CD537.8010409@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, they are enabled. 8-( Rusty Hammond wrote: > Tools, Options. There are several options pages you can look at. Under Content make sure java and javascript are enabled. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jwcolby > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:31:13 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > Not to my knowledge, where are they? > > When I look in the log I see: > > Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration > dropped. > Source File: http://dilbert.com/ > Line: 0 > > And then > > Error: OAS_RICH is not defined > Source File: http://dilbert.com/ > Line: 62 > > Several more similar, all having to do with the Dilbert page. > > Rusty Hammond wrote: >> I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jwcolby >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert >> >> I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed >> the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the >> cartoon load and then it disappears. >> >> He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert >> back). >> >> Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? >> >> > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 13:57:20 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Message-ID: <325927.24428.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I saw over on accessd it was the flashblock add on that was causing your problems. Since I don't have that one installed I wasn't having the issue. ----- Original Message ---- From: jwcolby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:56:07 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Yes, they are enabled. 8-( Rusty Hammond wrote: > Tools, Options. There are several options pages you can look at. Under Content make sure java and javascript are enabled. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jwcolby > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:31:13 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > Not to my knowledge, where are they? > > When I look in the log I see: > > Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration > dropped. > Source File: http://dilbert.com/ > Line: 0 > > And then > > Error: OAS_RICH is not defined > Source File: http://dilbert.com/ > Line: 62 > > Several more similar, all having to do with the Dilbert page. > > Rusty Hammond wrote: >> I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jwcolby >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert >> >> I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed >> the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the >> cartoon load and then it disappears. >> >> He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert >> back). >> >> Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? >> >> > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 21 14:03:51 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <325927.24428.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <325927.24428.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CE517.30500@colbyconsulting.com> Yep, that was it in my case. I can't say whether that will fix my uncle's problem. Rusty Hammond wrote: > I saw over on accessd it was the flashblock add on that was causing your problems. Since I don't have that one installed I wasn't having the issue. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jwcolby > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:56:07 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > Yes, they are enabled. 8-( > > Rusty Hammond wrote: >> Tools, Options. There are several options pages you can look at. Under Content make sure java and javascript are enabled. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jwcolby >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:31:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert >> >> Not to my knowledge, where are they? >> >> When I look in the log I see: >> >> Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration >> dropped. >> Source File: http://dilbert.com/ >> Line: 0 >> >> And then >> >> Error: OAS_RICH is not defined >> Source File: http://dilbert.com/ >> Line: 62 >> >> Several more similar, all having to do with the Dilbert page. >> >> Rusty Hammond wrote: >>> I checked to make sure I have the latest firefox updates and I'm able to load the cartoon. It disappears for a second but comes back with a frame wrapped around it containing some interactive icons. Have you played with your security settings? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: jwcolby >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:05:04 AM >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert >>> >>> I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed >>> the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the >>> cartoon load and then it disappears. >>> >>> He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert >>> back). >>> >>> Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? >>> >>> > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us Mon Apr 21 14:08:11 2008 From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:08:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <480CBB30.7030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <480CBB30.7030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD12E266FD@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> Try changing the version of browser Firefox reports. I read that if you change the settings so that Firefox identifies itself as IE, Dilbert works. PR Phil Rosenkranz | Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | Yakima County Public Services Direct 509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the cartoon load and then it disappears. He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert back). Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 21 14:18:59 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:18:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD12E266FD@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> References: <480CBB30.7030909@colbyconsulting.com> <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD12E266FD@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> Message-ID: <480CE8A3.5060107@colbyconsulting.com> Do you know how to do that. A quick glance through the properties didn't show me how. Phil Rosenkranz wrote: > Try changing the version of browser Firefox reports. I read that if you > change the settings so that Firefox identifies itself as IE, Dilbert > works. > > PR > > Phil Rosenkranz | Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | Yakima > County Public Services > Direct 509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed > the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the > cartoon load and then it disappears. > > He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert > back). > > Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? > > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us Mon Apr 21 15:00:06 2008 From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:00:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert In-Reply-To: <480CE8A3.5060107@colbyconsulting.com> References: <480CBB30.7030909@colbyconsulting.com><2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD12E266FD@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> <480CE8A3.5060107@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD12E26787@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> I don't have it installed here at work. I do remember reading about this on the new Dilbert.com comments area. PR Phil Rosenkranz | Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | Yakima County Public Services Direct 509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert Do you know how to do that. A quick glance through the properties didn't show me how. Phil Rosenkranz wrote: > Try changing the version of browser Firefox reports. I read that if you > change the settings so that Firefox identifies itself as IE, Dilbert > works. > > PR > > Phil Rosenkranz | Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | Yakima > County Public Services > Direct 509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but critical... Firefox update killed Dilbert > > I just got an email from my uncle that the latest Firefox update killed > the Dilbert.com webpage. Sure enough, tis true. You can see the > cartoon load and then it disappears. > > He wants to know how to uninstall the latest update (or get his Dilbert > back). > > Does anyone know how to get Dilbert back? > > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 12:06:29 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:06:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] InfoPath Message-ID: <003101c8a49b$52105f70$6500a8c0@SusanOne> I know the basics of InfoPath, but here's a few questions: 1.) Does InfoPath do any processing on its own? For instance, can I tell it to add two values or something simple like that? 2.) If I export data to an Excel spreadsheet, is there anyway to then import the result of evaluations based on the data I just exported? I'm wondering if there's any way to track/tally info right there on the InfoPath form for users to see. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 22 13:39:07 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:39:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive Message-ID: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> For the first time ever I find a FOUR GIG memory module. Of course I can't afford it but that is not the point! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231182 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231183 -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From drboz at pacbell.net Tue Apr 22 14:17:05 2008 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:17:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive References: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> I've had 2 Lexar 4G sticks for quite a while.... bout $30 apiece. Newegg likes their stuff, I guess. Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive > For the first time ever I find a FOUR GIG memory module. Of course I > can't afford it but that is not the point! > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231182 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231183 > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 14:25:16 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:25:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive In-Reply-To: <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> References: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <29f585dd0804221225u5157215cha4eec804bc916f26@mail.gmail.com> Don't bug me with these incremental improvements. I want a TB for $40 and that's my final offer :) I'll pay extra if it's a PB. A. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Don Bozarth wrote: > I've had 2 Lexar 4G sticks for quite a while.... bout $30 apiece. Newegg > likes their stuff, I guess. > > Don B. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 22 14:31:23 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:31:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive In-Reply-To: <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> References: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <480E3D0B.60103@colbyconsulting.com> Excuse me? Are you talking DRAM or FLASH? Can you show me a url to a 4 gig DRAM? This is the very first time I have seen them at all at any price. $30 apiece makes no sense at all. Don Bozarth wrote: > I've had 2 Lexar 4G sticks for quite a while.... bout $30 apiece. Newegg > likes their stuff, I guess. > > Don B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive > > >> For the first time ever I find a FOUR GIG memory module. Of course I >> can't afford it but that is not the point! >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231182 >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231183 >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Apr 22 14:43:52 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:43:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0804221225u5157215cha4eec804bc916f26@mail.gmail.com> References: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> <29f585dd0804221225u5157215cha4eec804bc916f26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480E3FF8.2020507@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. In 1985 I worked for a start up supercomputer company. They were building huge custom boards that used 1 megabyte dimms, rows and rows of them to get 128 megs of main memory on a board about 18" x 18". For several years now there have been motherboards that claimed to allow 16 gigs of ram, but only had 4 dim sockets. IOW you could plug in 4 gig dims if they existed, which they did not. Now they do. Arthur Fuller wrote: > Don't bug me with these incremental improvements. I want a TB for $40 and > that's my final offer :) I'll pay extra if it's a PB. > > A. > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Don Bozarth wrote: > >> I've had 2 Lexar 4G sticks for quite a while.... bout $30 apiece. Newegg >> likes their stuff, I guess. >> >> Don B. >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Tue Apr 22 21:06:36 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:06:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... Message-ID: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night my Samsung monitor died. I have not been keeping up with monitors so... I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these Choices (no certain order)? Dell 22" E228WFP http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs& sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews Samsung 2232GW 22" http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_i te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000-1-dc -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html Some others: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms-1000 -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000-1-d c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and $250-300 range, please let me know. Thanks, Bobby From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Apr 22 22:37:36 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:37:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... In-Reply-To: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> References: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000701c8a4f3$5f7ced10$0300a8c0@danwaters> Bobby, About 6 months ago I bought 2 Viewsonic 20" FP monitors to use side by side. These are normal aspect 4:3 and have a resolution of 1600 X 1200. It's a dramatic improvement over the 22" widescreen monitor I was using. I did a lot of research before I selected these - they were about $430 each, and are about mid-range quality. Look for some sites that do comparisons - it's worth the time. Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night my Samsung monitor died. I have not been keeping up with monitors so... I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these Choices (no certain order)? Dell 22" E228WFP http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs& sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews Samsung 2232GW 22" http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_i te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000-1-dc -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html Some others: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms-1000 -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000-1-d c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and $250-300 range, please let me know. Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Apr 23 06:00:35 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:00:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... In-Reply-To: <000701c8a4f3$5f7ced10$0300a8c0@danwaters> References: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> <000701c8a4f3$5f7ced10$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <001b01c8a531$41ecfd10$c5c6f730$@rr.com> Thanks Dan, I'll check into doing that. Although I don't think my budget will allow me to do that now. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Monitors... Bobby, About 6 months ago I bought 2 Viewsonic 20" FP monitors to use side by side. These are normal aspect 4:3 and have a resolution of 1600 X 1200. It's a dramatic improvement over the 22" widescreen monitor I was using. I did a lot of research before I selected these - they were about $430 each, and are about mid-range quality. Look for some sites that do comparisons - it's worth the time. Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night my Samsung monitor died. I have not been keeping up with monitors so... I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these Choices (no certain order)? Dell 22" E228WFP http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs& sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews Samsung 2232GW 22" http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_i te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000-1-dc -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html Some others: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms-1000 -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000-1-d c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and $250-300 range, please let me know. Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 09:34:09 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:34:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... In-Reply-To: <001b01c8a531$41ecfd10$c5c6f730$@rr.com> References: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> <000701c8a4f3$5f7ced10$0300a8c0@danwaters> <001b01c8a531$41ecfd10$c5c6f730$@rr.com> Message-ID: I haven't used a wide screen monitor but am running dual 19" on both my work and home systems now. CRT's at work and LCD's at home. I would have a real hard time going back to a single monitor now wide screen or otherwise. All these choices look good to me. GK On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Bobby Heid wrote: > Thanks Dan, > > I'll check into doing that. Although I don't think my budget will allow me > to do that now. > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:38 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > Bobby, > > About 6 months ago I bought 2 Viewsonic 20" FP monitors to use side by side. > These are normal aspect 4:3 and have a resolution of 1600 X 1200. > > It's a dramatic improvement over the 22" widescreen monitor I was using. > > I did a lot of research before I selected these - they were about $430 each, > and are about mid-range quality. Look for some sites that do comparisons - > it's worth the time. > > Good Luck, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:07 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night > my Samsung monitor died. I have not > been keeping up with monitors so... > > I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these > Choices (no certain order)? > > Dell 22" E228WFP > http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs& > sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews > > Samsung 2232GW 22" > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t > =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_i > te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 > > > SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" > http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000-1-dc > -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html > > > Some others: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms-1000 > -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000-1-d > c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html > > > If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and $250-300 > range, > please let me know. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Apr 23 09:57:12 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:57:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... In-Reply-To: References: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com><000701c8a4f3$5f7ced10$0300a8c0@danwaters><001b01c8a531$41ecfd10$c5c6f730$@rr.com> Message-ID: <002701c8a552$4fd26930$0300a8c0@danwaters> Bobby - One thing I remember reading is that while a high-gloss monitor has a very attractive look, it will also do a lot of reflecting of what's behind you. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos I haven't used a wide screen monitor but am running dual 19" on both my work and home systems now. CRT's at work and LCD's at home. I would have a real hard time going back to a single monitor now wide screen or otherwise. All these choices look good to me. GK On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Bobby Heid wrote: > Thanks Dan, > > I'll check into doing that. Although I don't think my budget will allow me > to do that now. > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:38 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > Bobby, > > About 6 months ago I bought 2 Viewsonic 20" FP monitors to use side by side. > These are normal aspect 4:3 and have a resolution of 1600 X 1200. > > It's a dramatic improvement over the 22" widescreen monitor I was using. > > I did a lot of research before I selected these - they were about $430 each, > and are about mid-range quality. Look for some sites that do comparisons - > it's worth the time. > > Good Luck, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:07 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night > my Samsung monitor died. I have not > been keeping up with monitors so... > > I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these > Choices (no certain order)? > > Dell 22" E228WFP > http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs& > sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews > > Samsung 2232GW 22" > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t > =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_i > te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 > > > SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" > http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000-1-dc > -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html > > > Some others: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms-1000 > -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000-1-d > c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html > > > If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and $250-300 > range, > please let me know. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Wed Apr 23 09:57:46 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:57:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... Message-ID: That's true, but with no light sources behind you to reflect, they do look a whole lot better. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 23 April 2008 15:57 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Monitors... Bobby - One thing I remember reading is that while a high-gloss monitor has a very attractive look, it will also do a lot of reflecting of what's behind you. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos I haven't used a wide screen monitor but am running dual 19" on both my work and home systems now. CRT's at work and LCD's at home. I would have a real hard time going back to a single monitor now wide screen or otherwise. All these choices look good to me. GK On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Bobby Heid wrote: > Thanks Dan, > > I'll check into doing that. Although I don't think my budget will > allow me > to do that now. > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:38 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > Bobby, > > About 6 months ago I bought 2 Viewsonic 20" FP monitors to use side > by side. > These are normal aspect 4:3 and have a resolution of 1600 X 1200. > > It's a dramatic improvement over the 22" widescreen monitor I was > using. > > I did a lot of research before I selected these - they were about > $430 each, > and are about mid-range quality. Look for some sites that do > comparisons - > it's worth the time. > > Good Luck, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby > Heid > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:07 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... > > When it rains it pours. A few days ago, my UPS batteries died. Last night > my Samsung monitor died. I have not > been keeping up with monitors so... > > I was looking at a couple of replacements, What do you all think of these > Choices (no certain order)? > > Dell 22" E228WFP > http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s= dhs& > sku=320-5205&redirect=1#reviews > > Samsung 2232GW 22" > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=188694&WT.mc_n=4&WT. mc_t > =U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS& cm_i > te=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4 > > > SAMSUNG 2253LW High-gloss Black 21.6" > http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-2253lw-21-6-widescreen-lcd-monitor-8000- 1-dc > -2ms-gtg-1680-x/q/loc/101/206900406.html > > > Some others: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001268 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254 > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-va2226w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-5ms- 1000 > -1-dc-2000-1/q/loc/101/205631230.html > http://www.buy.com/prod/viewsonic-vx2240w-22-widescreen-lcd-monitor-4000 -1-d > c-2ms-1680x1050-dvi/q/loc/101/206209582.html > > > If you have some other suggestions in about the same size, and > $250-300 range, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Apr 23 10:21:47 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:21:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitors... In-Reply-To: <00a701c8a4e6$a93d4f60$fbb7ee20$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200804231521.m3NFLiZ0004503@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Bobby, Mostly personal opinion from me. I work on a lot of different monitors when doing onsite calls. I have found very few places where there is no glare on the glossy monitors. I have some eye problems so the glare really bothers me. You need almost perfect conditions for them to shine - which they do - under those conditions :o) I also do not like using the wide screen types. Other than web surfing I have found no good purpose for them. I suppose movies would fit better but I have a big TV for those. If you use remote access they can be a problem if you don't have one on the calling machine too. But in general - I just don't care for them. I had one for awhile. It was a quality Viewsonic and looked beautiful but I actually turned it 90 degrees and found it to be more functional that way :o) A couple months later I sold it to someone who wanted a wide screen for whatever reason. A couple of months later she moved it to one of her underlings and bought a new non-wide(?) screen. (She called in remotely and it was a problem for her as her laptop did not support the same resolutions as the wide screen.) HTH John B. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Apr 23 11:49:50 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:49:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0804221225u5157215cha4eec804bc916f26@mail.gmail.com> References: <480E30CB.9090907@colbyconsulting.com> <00f401c8a4ad$74f06c30$6601a8c0@Don> <29f585dd0804221225u5157215cha4eec804bc916f26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6231E562F0D2459DA2DBC62496783099@creativesystemdesigns.com> Arthur: Picked up 2 x 500GB SATA drives for $99.00. Is that close enough? Does anyone make PB drives yet? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The 4 gig modules arrive Don't bug me with these incremental improvements. I want a TB for $40 and that's my final offer :) I'll pay extra if it's a PB. A. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Don Bozarth wrote: > I've had 2 Lexar 4G sticks for quite a while.... bout $30 apiece. Newegg > likes their stuff, I guess. > > Don B. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Apr 26 12:10:41 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:10:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 Message-ID: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> Last night I got a notification telling me that I was eligible for a free upgrade to AVG version 8.0 from 7.5 (as I was a registered, paid for user). DON'T DO IT!!!! It's made surfing the web SO slow it's unreal. It's taking minutes at a time to open web pages, and that's with the bad link detection stuff all turned off. Everything else on the PC is fine, it's just web surfing. I'e disabled Web Protection from within AVG, and even gone into the add-ons manager in IE and disabled anything that says AVG in there. No help at all :-( I'd trying to check on the grisoft page, but I've been waiting 5 minutes for it to open... Not my idea of fun :-) Jon From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Apr 26 12:15:40 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:15:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 In-Reply-To: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <000c01c8a7c1$26e27080$0200a8c0@jt2c> OK, I take it all back. If you turn off Link Scanner, it's all fine again. Thank goodness for FAQ's, even if they do take an age to appear :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 26 April 2008 18:11 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 Last night I got a notification telling me that I was eligible for a free upgrade to AVG version 8.0 from 7.5 (as I was a registered, paid for user). DON'T DO IT!!!! It's made surfing the web SO slow it's unreal. It's taking minutes at a time to open web pages, and that's with the bad link detection stuff all turned off. Everything else on the PC is fine, it's just web surfing. I'e disabled Web Protection from within AVG, and even gone into the add-ons manager in IE and disabled anything that says AVG in there. No help at all :-( I'd trying to check on the grisoft page, but I've been waiting 5 minutes for it to open... Not my idea of fun :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Apr 26 12:51:17 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:51:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 In-Reply-To: <000c01c8a7c1$26e27080$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> <000c01c8a7c1$26e27080$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <48136B95.7050609@colbyconsulting.com> Don't they test this stuff? Do they really think anyone will use something that takes 5 minutes to open a web page? Jon Tydda wrote: > OK, I take it all back. If you turn off Link Scanner, it's all fine again. > Thank goodness for FAQ's, even if they do take an age to appear :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 26 April 2008 18:11 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 > > Last night I got a notification telling me that I was eligible for a free > upgrade to AVG version 8.0 from 7.5 (as I was a registered, paid for user). > > DON'T DO IT!!!! > > It's made surfing the web SO slow it's unreal. It's taking minutes at a time > to open web pages, and that's with the bad link detection stuff all turned > off. Everything else on the PC is fine, it's just web surfing. I'e disabled > Web Protection from within AVG, and even gone into the add-ons manager in IE > and disabled anything that says AVG in there. No help at all :-( > > I'd trying to check on the grisoft page, but I've been waiting 5 minutes for > it to open... > > Not my idea of fun :-) > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Apr 26 14:49:34 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:49:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 In-Reply-To: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: <200804261949.m3QJnUq8026526@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Jon, It's the new feature the security co. seem to be adding these days aka "Web Inspectors". When CA first included it in their Security Suite I would turn it off because it caused a drag on the loading time (seconds not minutes though). Now I turn it on for most clients. It is much improved and although initially it causes some delay, it is worth the performance hit and it does improve over time. Apparently they set up a better server for the information and they cache it or add it directly to a local database now. I haven't tried Grisoft's yet. I would imagine they're going through the same type of implementation pains. John B. From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Apr 26 15:40:01 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:40:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Secured Access Shortcut on VMWare Virtual Server Message-ID: <004301c8a7dd$b3a1de40$0300a8c0@danwaters> At an existing customer, I am trying to move my system to a virtual server (VMWare) they have created for this application. I use a shortcut to open the FE, which uses an .mdw file for user names and passwords. For this to work, the shortcut's target field needs three arguments: the full path to MSAccess.exe, the full path to the FE .mdb, and then the full path to the workgroup .mdw file. However, the shortcut doesn't 'see' the MSAccess.exe file - probably for the same reason that I can't see the Microsoft Office folder under the Program Files folder (even though hidden folders is on). Access is installed somewhere, because I can open a new or existing unsecured Access database. Can something be changed so that the shortcut can see the full path to Access? Thanks! Dan From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Apr 26 17:59:38 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:59:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 In-Reply-To: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> References: <000001c8a7c0$79bba840$0200a8c0@jt2c> Message-ID: Thanks for the heads up, Jon. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] AVG 8.0 Last night I got a notification telling me that I was eligible for a free upgrade to AVG version 8.0 from 7.5 (as I was a registered, paid for user). DON'T DO IT!!!! It's made surfing the web SO slow it's unreal. It's taking minutes at a time to open web pages, and that's with the bad link detection stuff all turned off. Everything else on the PC is fine, it's just web surfing. I'e disabled Web Protection from within AVG, and even gone into the add-ons manager in IE and disabled anything that says AVG in there. No help at all :-( I'd trying to check on the grisoft page, but I've been waiting 5 minutes for it to open... Not my idea of fun :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Apr 27 15:57:24 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:57:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio competition In-Reply-To: References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> Message-ID: <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: Here is a site that you might find interesting: http://www.wavemaker.com/ This is a fully visual Java AJAX driven open source studio that will allow anyone to build web based applications through a simple yet sophisticated drag and drop interface. The whole system is optimized to use all the various open-source web apps like Apache Tomcat, JBoss, Weblogic, Websphere or any J2EE-compatible server. For the database, you can choose MySQL, PostgreSQL, HSQL, Oracle, SQL Server, DB2 or any of the other many databases supported by Hibernate. So now there is any easy application that runs on Windows and Linux OSs with equal ease. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Apr 27 16:52:25 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:52:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Source BI and reporting product In-Reply-To: <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <90856DBC793D4AB49C76EAEA865BA2AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: Another very interesting product is Pentaho which is an open-source reporting, analysis, dashboard, data mining and data integration product: http://www.pentaho.com/?gclid=CLWuoZyX_JICFRgxiQodmQvJDQ. This also appears to be a JAVA based product. Jim From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 28 09:27:58 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments Message-ID: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook was working fine? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Apr 28 09:41:33 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:41:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <003501c8a93d$f45e0240$0300a8c0@danwaters> Hi John, Sorry but I can't answer either of your questions. ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook was working fine? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 09:43:39 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:43:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0804280743p344b3bd0ia9bbedd0ea02177c@mail.gmail.com> Because you're stooopid? Just a guess, old buddy! On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook > was working fine? > -- > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 28 09:52:03 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:52:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0804280743p344b3bd0ia9bbedd0ea02177c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0804280743p344b3bd0ia9bbedd0ea02177c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4815E493.7060204@colbyconsulting.com> A mighty fine guess as well. I am stupid enough to believe the hype that I can just install something and it will function without my having to go back to school to get a degree in that program. Sigh. The properties shows a "attachment" directory (which it did not create). So very likely it is stripping off the attachments and dumping them into the bit bucket. Arthur Fuller wrote: > Because you're stooopid? Just a guess, old buddy! > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM, jwcolby > wrote: > >> Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook >> was working fine? >> -- >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 10:05:00 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4815E79C.1060206@earthlink.net> John, Occasonally TBird strips attachments it suspects, but it sounds to me as if you have Tools|Options|Attachments set to autosave attachments to a specified folder. PB jwcolby wrote: > I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I > am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I > have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem > to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. > > Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to > tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). > > Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook > was working fine? > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 28 10:15:30 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:15:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815E79C.1060206@earthlink.net> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> <4815E79C.1060206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4815EA12.2030900@colbyconsulting.com> Actually I do have that set, to a directory which Thunderbird filled out as a default, but which it did not create. However the only other possibility is to ask me every time. I certainly don't want to be asked every time a message comes in with an attachment. Are we saying that Thunderbird has to strip off attachments, that it can't just leave them attached? If I create the folder that Thunderbird failed to and it starts storing the attachments there, does it magically keep a link to the file so I can get at it from the email? Peter Brawley wrote: > John, > > Occasonally TBird strips attachments it suspects, but it sounds to me as > if you have Tools|Options|Attachments set to autosave attachments to a > specified folder. > > PB > > jwcolby wrote: >> I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I >> am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I >> have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem >> to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. >> >> Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to >> tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). >> >> Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook >> was working fine? >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Apr 28 10:26:39 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:26:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4815ECAF.5080408@colbyconsulting.com> Actually I remember now why I switched, I got tired of the Outlook "setup from scratch shuffle". I had to rebuild my laptop and outlook only stores the addresses and emails in the main file, all the rest of the stuff (signatures, email account info etc) is scattered all over hell and back. Outlook has been around for about 10 years now and if it still can't do a complete "backup and restore everything" then it seems exceedingly likely that it never will. Firefox and thunderbird has a very nice little add-in which will capture EVERYTHING and restore it later, or so they claim. jwcolby wrote: > I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I > am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I > have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem > to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. > > Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to > tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). > > Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook > was working fine? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 10:41:21 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:41:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird attachments In-Reply-To: <4815EA12.2030900@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> <4815E79C.1060206@earthlink.net> <4815EA12.2030900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4815F021.8080306@earthlink.net> John TBird asks not when the msg comes in, but when you click on the attachment. PB jwcolby wrote: > Actually I do have that set, to a directory which Thunderbird filled out > as a default, but which it did not create. However the only other > possibility is to ask me every time. I certainly don't want to be asked > every time a message comes in with an attachment. > > Are we saying that Thunderbird has to strip off attachments, that it > can't just leave them attached? If I create the folder that Thunderbird > failed to and it starts storing the attachments there, does it magically > keep a link to the file so I can get at it from the email? > > Peter Brawley wrote: > >> John, >> >> Occasonally TBird strips attachments it suspects, but it sounds to me as >> if you have Tools|Options|Attachments set to autosave attachments to a >> specified folder. >> >> PB >> >> jwcolby wrote: >> >>> I recently switched from Outlook to Thunderbird as my email client and I >>> am having difficult reliably getting attachments. Sometimes I do, I >>> have received excel spreadsheets, but mostly I don't. I also don't seem >>> to get embedded photos when one client embeds screen shots. >>> >>> Does thunderbird automatically strip off attachments? Is there a way to >>> tell it not to? What about embedded bitmaps (screenshots). >>> >>> Why do I do stupid things like switching my email client when Outlook >>> was working fine? >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 11:47:22 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:47:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] automate styles in Word In-Reply-To: <4815EA12.2030900@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4815DEEE.6020808@colbyconsulting.com> <4815E79C.1060206@earthlink.net> <4815EA12.2030900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4815FF9A.8090804@earthlink.net> Does anybody know where I might find a VBA script I could twist into automating application of certain Word styles (eg smallcaps, or a certain font/size combo, or an existing style) to words defined by, say, having > 3 chars and already in caps, or words in a list? Thanks. PB From john at winhaven.net Tue Apr 29 02:59:07 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:59:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PhP/MySQL query in an HTMLTable cell Message-ID: <200804290758.m3T7wsMY029045@databaseadvisors.com> PhP guru's, I'm trying to display the results of a MySQL query in one cell of a html table. My Query works fine, my PhP results page works fine but I can't seem to get it to all work in the table. Is it possibly to embed PhP in an html table cell? From rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com Tue Apr 29 08:48:21 2008 From: rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com (rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:48:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel - skip running code? In-Reply-To: <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com><7F7DED865C084260A466F4017CBA1ADE@creativesystemdesigns.com><007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c><007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c><003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800><3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com><8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi all I have been given an excel spreadsheet that I'm told needs work doing on it, but when I open it, it prompts me for the password, which I enter, then it immediately closes itself. I can tell it's opened ok because it's there in my recently used files list. I don't know what version of Excel it was created with - I am running 2003. I know it contains code - is there any way to open the file without any code running, in case it is the code that's causing it to close? Something simple like the Shift key trick in Access? TIA Roz This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Bank PLC.Registered in England and Wales (registered no. 1026167). Registered Office: 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP, United Kingdom. Barclays Bank PLC is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:39:12 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:39:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel - skip running code? In-Reply-To: References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com> <007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c> <007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c> <003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800> <3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS> <8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I believe shift is supposed to work in Excel too. That's what Excel Help says at least. GK On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:48 AM, wrote: > Hi all > > I have been given an excel spreadsheet that I'm told needs work doing on it, > but when I open it, it prompts me for the password, which I enter, then it > immediately closes itself. I can tell it's opened ok because it's there in my > recently used files list. > > I don't know what version of Excel it was created with - I am running 2003. I > know it contains code - is there any way to open the file without any code > running, in case it is the code that's causing it to close? Something simple > like the Shift key trick in Access? > > TIA > > Roz > > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. > > Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. > The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. > > Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. > > Barclays Bank PLC.Registered in England and Wales (registered no. 1026167). > Registered Office: 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP, United Kingdom. > > Barclays Bank PLC is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com Tue Apr 29 10:08:05 2008 From: rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com (rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:08:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel - skip running code? In-Reply-To: References: <47FD9D0E.6070004@colbyconsulting.com><007501c89b57$e9e220b0$0200a8c0@jt2c><007601c89b5a$09306e70$0200a8c0@jt2c><003a01c89bbf$f2d986a0$1800a8c0@s1800><3F0186BDD2004459A9867F7A0B843843@creativesystemdesigns.com><8D92C2B0838D4AAC85902355111B408C@BPCS><8D434A3F8AC5460F9B256BC9455A09A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Right you are - and with a password protected spreadsheet it seems you have to press shift *after* you enter the password! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 29 April 2008 15:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel - skip running code? I believe shift is supposed to work in Excel too. That's what Excel Help says at least. GK On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:48 AM, wrote: > Hi all > > I have been given an excel spreadsheet that I'm told needs work doing > on it, but when I open it, it prompts me for the password, which I > enter, then it immediately closes itself. I can tell it's opened ok > because it's there in my recently used files list. > > I don't know what version of Excel it was created with - I am running > 2003. I know it contains code - is there any way to open the file > without any code running, in case it is the code that's causing it to > close? Something simple like the Shift key trick in Access? > > TIA > > Roz > > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. > > Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. > The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. 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