From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 06:07:55 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:07:55 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software I guess Message-ID: <29f585dd0808010407scb40073gd48e673e9ead48ec@mail.gmail.com> I'm having trouble locating a link to what I consider Reese Whitherspoon's greatest performance to date. It was I think her first and Keifer Sutherland was in it and she played a bad punk girl and I think that the word Sunset was in the title, but for some reason I am not connecting to it. She was magnificent in the role. I have not been all that impressed with her subsequent choices, but I guess she's growing rich so enough said. but I can't help wishing that we could see more of her in drama mode. In the movie I'm talking about she played a teenaged girl who has gone decidedly outside the boundaries, and she was brilliant. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the movie or I would not have asked the question. Anyone know the movie to which I am referring? A. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 1 06:32:04 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:32:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software I guess In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808010407scb40073gd48e673e9ead48ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808010407scb40073gd48e673e9ead48ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4892F434.6080808@torchlake.com> Freeway T. Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm having trouble locating a link to what I consider Reese Whitherspoon's > greatest performance to date. It was I think her first and Keifer Sutherland > was in it and she played a bad punk girl and I think that the word Sunset > was in the title, but for some reason I am not connecting to it. She was > magnificent in the role. I have not been all that impressed with her > subsequent choices, but I guess she's growing rich so enough said. but I > can't help wishing that we could see more of her in drama mode. > > In the movie I'm talking about she played a teenaged girl who has gone > decidedly outside the boundaries, and she was brilliant. Unfortunately I > don't have a copy of the movie or I would not have asked the question. > > Anyone know the movie to which I am referring? > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Aug 1 13:28:09 2008 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:28:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Software I guess In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808010407scb40073gd48e673e9ead48ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808010407scb40073gd48e673e9ead48ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0436133BD8274C56ACAE49F86DF7BDEC@KathrynVista> This is decidedly OT so should be on the OT list, but you can search out your answer on the Internet Movie Database. http://us.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=Reese+Whitherspoon&x=19&y=10 -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: 01 Aug 2008 4:08 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Software I guess > > I'm having trouble locating a link to what I consider Reese > Whitherspoon's > greatest performance to date. It was I think her first and > Keifer Sutherland > was in it and she played a bad punk girl and I think that the > word Sunset > was in the title, but for some reason I am not connecting to > it. She was > magnificent in the role. I have not been all that impressed with her > subsequent choices, but I guess she's growing rich so enough > said. but I > can't help wishing that we could see more of her in drama mode. > > In the movie I'm talking about she played a teenaged girl who has gone > decidedly outside the boundaries, and she was brilliant. > Unfortunately I > don't have a copy of the movie or I would not have asked the question. > > Anyone know the movie to which I am referring? > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Aug 2 20:25:34 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:25:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Message-ID: <4895090E.1090307@torchlake.com> Hi, Please forgive the cross-posting. Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their systems. Anyone here know about this thing? Tina From john at winhaven.net Sat Aug 2 21:26:21 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:26:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <4895090E.1090307@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200808030226.m732QBud032546@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Tina, It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre or CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously installed anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other over-priced under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the anti-spyware subset of Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-rootkit and more. Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html If you have any problems after installing one of these you can conteact me or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. Good Luck! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi, Please forgive the cross-posting. Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their systems. Anyone here know about this thing? Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Aug 2 21:31:57 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:31:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <200808030226.m732QBud032546@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200808030226.m732QBud032546@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <4895189D.4080008@torchlake.com> Thanks John, I have a CounterSpy subscription running on my computer - and I like it. I think we will download the trial for Dad tomorrow. Thanks for the tip, Tina John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre or > CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously installed > anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other over-priced > under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the anti-spyware subset of > Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-rootkit and more. > > Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. > http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html > http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html > > If you have any problems after installing one of these you can conteact me > or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. > > Good Luck! > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? > > Hi, > > Please forgive the cross-posting. > > Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought was some > kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email infected his > machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search indicates this program is a > fake anti-virus program that lures people into buying it, while it installs > spyware and other malware on their systems. Anyone here know about this > thing? > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Sat Aug 2 21:41:14 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:41:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <4895189D.4080008@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200808030241.m732f3RK007445@databaseadvisors.com> Then you'd really like Vipre. It eliminates the need for another separate AV product and doesn't drag your system down like other products. They have some good graphs on their web site of the tests that were run against some of the leading security companies. The resources some of the others use are tremendous! Vipre actually runs faster than the present version of CounterSpy. The next release of CounterSpy will correct that but since it is a subset they will probably always be a little behind on releasing it as Vipre comes first. And really, as good as the software is the support is even better. They will talk you through removing things on the phone if its really new and the removal procedures haven't been incorporated into an update yet. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Thanks John, I have a CounterSpy subscription running on my computer - and I like it. I think we will download the trial for Dad tomorrow. Thanks for the tip, Tina John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre > or CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously > installed anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other > over-priced under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the > anti-spyware subset of Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-rootkit and more. > > Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. > http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html > http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html > > If you have any problems after installing one of these you can > conteact me or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. > > Good Luck! > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; > dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? > > Hi, > > Please forgive the cross-posting. > > Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought > was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email > infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search > indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people > into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their > systems. Anyone here know about this thing? > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Aug 3 02:24:05 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:24:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Message-ID: Hi Tina and john Yes, CounterSpy is excellent. However, some weeks ago I guided a client to this site with a free tool which is a much smaller download than CounterSpy: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/malware-removal/remove-xp-antivirus-2008-2009 and she (not being a pc nerd) managed to download and run the tool all by herself with success. Notice the good explanation including the extremely rogue screenshots which can scare the life of common people! /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 03-08-2008 04:41 >>> Then you'd really like Vipre. It eliminates the need for another separate AV product and doesn't drag your system down like other products. They have some good graphs on their web site of the tests that were run against some of the leading security companies. The resources some of the others use are tremendous! Vipre actually runs faster than the present version of CounterSpy. The next release of CounterSpy will correct that but since it is a subset they will probably always be a little behind on releasing it as Vipre comes first. And really, as good as the software is the support is even better. They will talk you through removing things on the phone if its really new and the removal procedures haven't been incorporated into an update yet. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Thanks John, I have a CounterSpy subscription running on my computer - and I like it. I think we will download the trial for Dad tomorrow. Thanks for the tip, Tina John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre > or CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously > installed anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other > over-priced under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the > anti-spyware subset of Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-rootkit and more. > > Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. > http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html > http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html > > If you have any problems after installing one of these you can > conteact me or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. > > Good Luck! > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; > dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? > > Hi, > > Please forgive the cross-posting. > > Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought > was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email > infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search > indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people > into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their > systems. Anyone here know about this thing? > > Tina From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Aug 3 06:15:37 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:15:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48959359.7080605@torchlake.com> Hi Gustav, Thank you for this, too. I had seen the link to bleepingcomputer.com, but was unfamiliar with the site and, therefore, suspicious of it. It is good to know that this is also a good site. Thanks, Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina and john > > Yes, CounterSpy is excellent. > However, some weeks ago I guided a client to this site with a free tool which is a much smaller download than CounterSpy: > > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/malware-removal/remove-xp-antivirus-2008-2009 > > and she (not being a pc nerd) managed to download and run the tool all by herself with success. > > Notice the good explanation including the extremely rogue screenshots which can scare the life of common people! > > /gustav > > >>>> john at winhaven.net 03-08-2008 04:41 >>> >>>> > Then you'd really like Vipre. It eliminates the need for another separate AV > product and doesn't drag your system down like other products. They have > some good graphs on their web site of the tests that were run against some > of the leading security companies. The resources some of the others use are > tremendous! Vipre actually runs faster than the present version of > CounterSpy. The next release of CounterSpy will correct that but since it is > a subset they will probably always be a little behind on releasing it as > Vipre comes first. And really, as good as the software is the support is > even better. They will talk you through removing things on the phone if its > really new and the removal procedures haven't been incorporated into an > update yet. > > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:32 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? > > Thanks John, > > I have a CounterSpy subscription running on my computer - and I like it. I > think we will download the trial for Dad tomorrow. > > Thanks for the tip, > Tina > > > John Bartow wrote: > >> Hi Tina, >> It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre >> or CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously >> installed anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other >> over-priced under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the >> anti-spyware subset of Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, >> > anti-rootkit and more. > >> Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. >> http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html >> http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html >> >> If you have any problems after installing one of these you can >> conteact me or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. >> >> Good Luck! >> John B. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; >> dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? >> >> Hi, >> >> Please forgive the cross-posting. >> >> Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought >> was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email >> infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search >> indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people >> into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their >> systems. Anyone here know about this thing? >> >> Tina >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Sun Aug 3 11:50:32 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:50:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200808031650.m73GoSaG026685@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Gustav, IME prevention is the key to these nasty things. CounterSpy and even more so Vipre will prevent this and a high percentage of others from installing in the first place. Removal tools like this are great for the immediate remediation but IMO address the problem too late. Try Vipre - it's a new generation of security tool, built from the ground up rather than pieced together. I'd been beta testing it for about 6 months before they finally released it to the public. Quite amazing the low resource use it takes but the effectiveness of it. And it will only get better. They're pumping a lot of work into new generation of threats and detecting rootkits early on and such. They also have the capability of adding port control (firewall) into Vipre. Its an exciting new, lean and mean security tool. The current version of CounterSpy is still the second generation tool, it will be upgraded shortly to be the new leaner and even more effective. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:24 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Tina and john Yes, CounterSpy is excellent. However, some weeks ago I guided a client to this site with a free tool which is a much smaller download than CounterSpy: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/malware-removal/remove-xp-antivirus-2008-200 9 and she (not being a pc nerd) managed to download and run the tool all by herself with success. Notice the good explanation including the extremely rogue screenshots which can scare the life of common people! /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Aug 3 12:03:25 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:03:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Message-ID: Hi John Yes, but some clients must get burned before they learn. I'll check that Vipre out. Thanks. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 03-08-2008 18:50 >>> Hi Gustav, IME prevention is the key to these nasty things. CounterSpy and even more so Vipre will prevent this and a high percentage of others from installing in the first place. Removal tools like this are great for the immediate remediation but IMO address the problem too late. Try Vipre - it's a new generation of security tool, built from the ground up rather than pieced together. I'd been beta testing it for about 6 months before they finally released it to the public. Quite amazing the low resource use it takes but the effectiveness of it. And it will only get better. They're pumping a lot of work into new generation of threats and detecting rootkits early on and such. They also have the capability of adding port control (firewall) into Vipre. Its an exciting new, lean and mean security tool. The current version of CounterSpy is still the second generation tool, it will be upgraded shortly to be the new leaner and even more effective. John B. From john at winhaven.net Sun Aug 3 12:37:00 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:37:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200808031736.m73Hasge017997@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Gustav, Unfortunately, far too many lately. I had been running CA Enterprise Products on my business clients and CounterSpy and AVG free on my SOHO clients but the resource use, while smaller than most major brand suites is much higher than Vipre. I'm installing Stand alone Vipre on SOHOs now and Vipre Enterprise on my Business clients as their contracts come due. I love the Vipre sales slogan: "Download VIPRE and Take Control of Your PC, Before Someone Else Does!" You wouldn't believe some of the techno-lingo they had in their marketing materials before they released it for comments. Good to know there are so many technical people involved in their company but my main comment was "Get some MARKETING people involved!" ;o) Here are what I consider the most important aspects of it in graph form: http://www.vipreenterprise.com/Why-VIPRE-Enterprise/VIPRE-Stats.htm Best of luck, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:03 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi John Yes, but some clients must get burned before they learn. I'll check that Vipre out. Thanks. /gustav From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Aug 3 14:01:04 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:01:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <200808030241.m732f3RK007445@databaseadvisors.com> References: <4895189D.4080008@torchlake.com> <200808030241.m732f3RK007445@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <98F5DEEC7BDA4006AC1595FA3EA21C76@danwaters> John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Then you'd really like Vipre. It eliminates the need for another separate AV product and doesn't drag your system down like other products. They have some good graphs on their web site of the tests that were run against some of the leading security companies. The resources some of the others use are tremendous! Vipre actually runs faster than the present version of CounterSpy. The next release of CounterSpy will correct that but since it is a subset they will probably always be a little behind on releasing it as Vipre comes first. And really, as good as the software is the support is even better. They will talk you through removing things on the phone if its really new and the removal procedures haven't been incorporated into an update yet. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Thanks John, I have a CounterSpy subscription running on my computer - and I like it. I think we will download the trial for Dad tomorrow. Thanks for the tip, Tina John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > It is rogue, or fake, security software. It can be removed with Vipre > or CounterSpy. Vipre would require that you remove any previously > installed anti-virus programs such as Norton, McAfee or any other > over-priced under-expectations AV product ;o) CounterSpy is the > anti-spyware subset of Vipre which does anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-rootkit and more. > > Both Vipre and CounterSpy have free, fully functional trial periods. > http://www.winhaven.net/security/spyware.html > http://www.winhaven.net/security/virus.html > > If you have any problems after installing one of these you can > conteact me or the Sunbelt Software security gurus. > > Good Luck! > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:26 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; > dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? > > Hi, > > Please forgive the cross-posting. > > Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought > was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email > infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search > indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people > into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their > systems. Anyone here know about this thing? > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 04:20:27 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:20:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?iso-8859-1?q?Windows_Vista=AE_Performance_and_Tuning?= Message-ID: Hi all Not breaking new ideas but still some tips: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=ab377598-a637-432c-a3c8-1607ab629201&displaylang=en&tm#filelist /gustav From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 4 09:42:26 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <98F5DEEC7BDA4006AC1595FA3EA21C76@danwaters> Message-ID: <200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 09:47:40 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:47:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Future of traditional Windows Message-ID: <053f01c8f641$0ca92d20$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I remember a discussion about the future of traditional Windows os. Specifically, there will be no upgrades now that Vista is out and that eventually Windows will stop supporting Windows. Can anyone point me to a Microsoft statement of these intentions? I'm looking for something myself, but haven't found anything, so I don't know if the discussion was just that -- or if that information actually came from Microsoft. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 4 10:02:47 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:02:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> References: <98F5DEEC7BDA4006AC1595FA3EA21C76@danwaters> <200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <073901c8f643$285ca0e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I'm using Sygate Personal. What's its Bartow rating? Also, I'm behind the hardware firewall (a Netgear Router). So is a software firewall necessary at all? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 09:49:04 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows Message-ID: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx ====However, if you have something else you'd like to share, please send a long a link. Susan H. I remember a discussion about the future of traditional Windows os. Specifically, there will be no upgrades now that Vista is out and that eventually Windows will stop supporting Windows. Can anyone point me to a Microsoft statement of these intentions? I'm looking for something myself, but haven't found anything, so I don't know if the discussion was just that -- or if that information actually came from Microsoft. From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Aug 4 10:12:21 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:12:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <073901c8f643$285ca0e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <98F5DEEC7BDA4006AC1595FA3EA21C76@danwaters><200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> <073901c8f643$285ca0e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <696F94A739E24A0DAC325FB3924BFA3B@jt2c> A hardware firewall stops things coming in, DDOS attacks etc, the software one is mostly there to let you control what get access out to the net. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 August 2008 16:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? I'm using Sygate Personal. What's its Bartow rating? Also, I'm behind the hardware firewall (a Netgear Router). So is a software firewall necessary at all? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Aug 4 10:19:51 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:19:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> References: <98F5DEEC7BDA4006AC1595FA3EA21C76@danwaters> <200808041442.m74EgMOC016605@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <9B61C064B5EF4F2B8A22C0DCA2668897@danwaters> Thanks John, I CA's internet suite, and also tried Comodo. Comodo just about killed me with it's constant, "Do you want to do this?" I would have had to do to go back to school to learn how to answer that question every time. Now I'm using BitDefender Internet Security. It's a firewall, spam catcher, disc scanner, all built into one. It's settings are easy on the outside, but can be tweaked a lot on the inside. The price was good - $40 for 3 pc's for 2 years. The one thing I really like about this program is the little window it puts up to graphically show me how much relative activity is taking place on my PC and how much Internet traffic is occurring. Not much of a security feature, but now I know more! Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 4 10:26:40 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:26:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Did you know... "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last operating system. " !! "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times more likely to have a favorable impression." Well, which is it - 2 or 3? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:49 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx ====However, if you have something else you'd like to share, please send a long a link. Susan H. I remember a discussion about the future of traditional Windows os. Specifically, there will be no upgrades now that Vista is out and that eventually Windows will stop supporting Windows. Can anyone point me to a Microsoft statement of these intentions? I'm looking for something myself, but haven't found anything, so I don't know if the discussion was just that -- or if that information actually came from Microsoft. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 10:30:30 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:30:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <057801c8f647$08f00e00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I just want to know who they polled! ;) I don't know anyone that really likes Vista. Now, some of that can be attributed to the learning curve, but Kate's system is running it and I don't like it -- I can't find squat although the marketing hype says the Vista experience is just the opposite. However, I am trying to locate things in Vista via the traditional Windows means, and of course, it just doesn't work that way. Susan H. > Did you know... > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last operating > system. " > > !! > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times more > likely to have a favorable impression." > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 10:36:07 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:36:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> >which is it - 2 or 3? Neither. It's PR hogswill. PB ------ Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Did you know... > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last operating > system. " > > !! > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times more > likely to have a favorable impression." > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:49 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx > > ====However, if you have something else you'd like to share, please send a > long a link. > > Susan H. > > > I remember a discussion about the future of traditional Windows os. > Specifically, there will be no upgrades now that Vista is out and that > eventually Windows will stop supporting Windows. Can anyone point me to a > Microsoft statement of these intentions? I'm looking for something myself, > but haven't found anything, so I don't know if the discussion was just that > -- or if that information actually came from Microsoft. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 10:39:03 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:39:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows Message-ID: Hi Rocky and Peter It is about 2? I guess ... /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 04-08-2008 17:36 >>> >which is it - 2 or 3? Neither. It's PR hogswill. PB ------ Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Did you know... > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last operating system. " !! > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times more > likely to have a favorable impression." > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 10:40:49 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:40:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows Message-ID: Hi Susan You don't know me ...? /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 04-08-2008 17:30 >>> I just want to know who they polled! ;) I don't know anyone that really likes Vista. Now, some of that can be attributed to the learning curve, but Kate's system is running it and I don't like it -- I can't find squat although the marketing hype says the Vista experience is just the opposite. However, I am trying to locate things in Vista via the traditional Windows means, and of course, it just doesn't work that way. Susan H. From pharold at proftesting.com Mon Aug 4 10:47:21 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:47:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne><073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <057801c8f647$08f00e00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Since PCs seem to be a household appliance today it's easy to get a "High" percentage by going to the home market that never has to really put their machines to work. Checking email and doing a Yahoo search from the email page might be the extent of "work" the computer ever does. And lots of new users don't know any difference having never used anything else. "71% of Windows Vista customers" - most of us who previewed it haven't become customers. Perry Harold -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows I just want to know who they polled! ;) I don't know anyone that really likes Vista. Now, some of that can be attributed to the learning curve, but Kate's system is running it and I don't like it -- I can't find squat although the marketing hype says the Vista experience is just the opposite. However, I am trying to locate things in Vista via the traditional Windows means, and of course, it just doesn't work that way. Susan H. > Did you know... > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last > operating system. " > > !! > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times > more likely to have a favorable impression." > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 11:03:25 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:03:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: Message-ID: <05c701c8f64b$c8effbd0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> You like Vista? Well... there's always one... :) Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You don't know me ...? From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 11:04:31 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:04:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne><073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005><057801c8f647$08f00e00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <05c801c8f64b$c9bd0fd0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > "71% of Windows Vista customers" - most of us who previewed it haven't > become customers. ======Priceless. :) I won't buy it until forced to, but that will eventually happen. Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 4 11:23:31 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:23:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne><073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <075501c8f64e$6f3f71d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Oh, yeah, huh. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:36 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows >which is it - 2 or 3? Neither. It's PR hogswill. PB ------ Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Did you know... > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last > operating system. " > > !! > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times > more likely to have a favorable impression." > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:49 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx > > ====However, if you have something else you'd like to share, please > send a long a link. > > Susan H. > > > I remember a discussion about the future of traditional Windows os. > Specifically, there will be no upgrades now that Vista is out and that > eventually Windows will stop supporting Windows. Can anyone point me > to a Microsoft statement of these intentions? I'm looking for > something myself, but haven't found anything, so I don't know if the > discussion was just that > -- or if that information actually came from Microsoft. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: > 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 11:35:16 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:35:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne><073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005><489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> <075501c8f64e$6f3f71d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <05fb01c8f650$15198630$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I'm blogging about it and I guess time will tell. :) I'm sure this one will get a lot of traffic. Susan H. > Oh, yeah, huh. > > >which is it - 2 or 3? > > Neither. It's PR hogswill. > From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 12:13:34 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:13:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <057801c8f647$08f00e00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <057801c8f647$08f00e00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: I like Vista so I'm one. If I can't find something I use the HELP function I think it is and the search and it finds it every time and quick. But I'm only running it on one of 7 systems I use regularly. I did buy another copy for a second machine but have yet to load it onto it. The delay is just due to lack of time though. The added security things do get irritating sometimes when it askes me if I want to let an installation program run. But I haven't tried to turn them off either, preferring the safety net it is providing. Other than the start button being ROUND instead of rectangular and the Control Panel functions being switched around I don't really notice much of a difference between Vista and Xp to tell the truth. I switch between several systems and don't have to do stuff differently on the Vista box. So I am really kind of mystifyed at what people are not liking so much. I do remember having similar feelings when I was first getting that system going though I guess. Either I've gotten used to the irritations or they were things that only applied during the initial set up. There is one thing that does tick me off - it won't let me open my DOCUMENTS folder directly trough Windows Explorer. I have to go through the "Documents" shortcut at the top of the screen or it gives me a "not authorized" message. Now I have been beaten into submission on it though and I just do that right off the bat. I had some issues with IE7 - the Memory Leak that people talk about being the biggest. So now I use Firefox for some things. Still use IE for other sites where the leak doesn't reach out and bite me though. I guess it's not so much that I LIKE it so much. I DON'T DISLIKE it. It's an Operating System. I don't really feel that strongly about it one way or the other. It is what it is and I just deal with it. It is supposed to manage TV Recording better than XP is why I am planning to update the second system to it. I don't have any plans to update any of the others though. GK On 8/4/08, Susan Harkins wrote: > I just want to know who they polled! ;) I don't know anyone that really > likes Vista. Now, some of that can be attributed to the learning curve, but > Kate's system is running it and I don't like it -- I can't find squat > although the marketing hype says the Vista experience is just the opposite. > However, I am trying to locate things in Vista via the traditional Windows > means, and of course, it just doesn't work that way. > > Susan H. > > > > Did you know... > > "71% of Windows Vista customers liked it better than their last operating > > system. " > > > > !! > > > > "People who are familiar with Windows Vista are two to three times more > > likely to have a favorable impression." > > > > Well, which is it - 2 or 3? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 4 14:14:47 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:14:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <073901c8f643$285ca0e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <200808041914.m74JEetx023456@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Rocky, My Favorite. IIRC I'm the one who recommended it to you :o) Software FW is necessary IMO. Hardware FW cannot do everything a SWFW can. I suggest both. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? I'm using Sygate Personal. What's its Bartow rating? Also, I'm behind the hardware firewall (a Netgear Router). So is a software firewall necessary at all? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 4 14:19:52 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:19:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <9B61C064B5EF4F2B8A22C0DCA2668897@danwaters> Message-ID: <200808041919.m74JJjQ4026139@databaseadvisors.com> Good stuff too. Not used much in this area though. BTW I didn't mention price but most have a 3 pc deal now and Sunbelt has an "everything in your home" for $49.95. If I wasn't constantly testing different apps I would make out like a bandit with that deal :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:20 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Thanks John, I CA's internet suite, and also tried Comodo. Comodo just about killed me with it's constant, "Do you want to do this?" I would have had to do to go back to school to learn how to answer that question every time. Now I'm using BitDefender Internet Security. It's a firewall, spam catcher, disc scanner, all built into one. It's settings are easy on the outside, but can be tweaked a lot on the inside. The price was good - $40 for 3 pc's for 2 years. The one thing I really like about this program is the little window it puts up to graphically show me how much relative activity is taking place on my PC and how much Internet traffic is occurring. Not much of a security feature, but now I know more! Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 4 14:19:52 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:19:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <696F94A739E24A0DAC325FB3924BFA3B@jt2c> Message-ID: <200808041919.m74JJjNH026140@databaseadvisors.com> And also from infected PCs inside thenetwork getting access to others. It happens :o( John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? A hardware firewall stops things coming in, DDOS attacks etc, the software one is mostly there to let you control what get access out to the net. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 August 2008 16:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? I'm using Sygate Personal. What's its Bartow rating? Also, I'm behind the hardware firewall (a Netgear Router). So is a software firewall necessary at all? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? Hi Dan, I use a number of software firewalls with various clients and test various others on my network PCs (of course you can only use one per computer). Most of the popular firewalls are good, in paid mode anyway, there are advanced settings that do most everything. Its how easy it is to set those that counts in my experience. Most people get totally confused with firewalls so out of the box, no settings required is usually the most important aspect for SOHOs. My all time favorite was Sygate Personal Firewall but alas Symantec bought it and killed it. Then I moved to Kerio Personal Firewall and shortly thereafter they were going to discontinue it. Sunbelt bought it to save it (and acquire their technology I suppose) and it is now called Sunbelt Personal Firewall which is good in free mode. It doesn't ask the end user a lot of questions that they don't know how to answer but still does a pretty good job. The paid version has very fine control settings. Eventually, Sunbelt will incorporate this technology into Vipre. Vipre was developed with this in mind (was written to allow for new functions to address new threats) so that it can be incorporated for the next major release. When the time comes we'll see how that pans out... (I'm kind of a skeptic ;o) I use Sunbelt PF on my wife's laptop and she doesn't complain ;o) Zone Alarm is probably the standard and is very good when paid for but the free one isn't very good out anymore. CA's Personal Firewall is a royal pain in the but. They used to have a nice Security Suite (they rented Zone Alarm) but they parted ways with Zone Alarm and bought a different firewall and incorporated it into their suite. It can be tweaked to death for fine settings but is just not very intuitive. I try Comodo Firewall every now and again because I would like to find a good free without limitations firewall for home users. I need to again - its been about a year now - but in the past I've found it to be less than intuitive. Of course, if you know what you're doing with firewalls the intuitiveness isn't an issue. So, long answer short, I don't have a "favorite" I think they all need work on the GUI. In Business clients I use network hardware firewalls or "security devices" as they are actually much more than firewalls now. The software firewall is then the second layer of defense and most of them can perform that role well enough. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AntiVirXP08 Anybody Know About This? John, What do you use for a firewall? Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 4 14:40:15 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:40:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <05fb01c8f650$15198630$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> <075501c8f64e$6f3f71d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <05fb01c8f650$15198630$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <3CEA2775D56D4362B66A0C21DF03EBFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have been involved with a large project which entails the rolling out of over 175,000 computers. Each computer comes with a full copy of Vista and we just image right over the top of it... what a waste of money but the hardware supplier had not choice as they were locked into a supply agreement that would not even allow them to leave the OS off even if they wanted to. I bet all these computers being rolled out are being added to MS Vista sales figures. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:35 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows I'm blogging about it and I guess time will tell. :) I'm sure this one will get a lot of traffic. Susan H. > Oh, yeah, huh. > > >which is it - 2 or 3? > > Neither. It's PR hogswill. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 14:33:05 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:33:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows Message-ID: Hi Susan It was Shamil who persuaded me to take the step. A brand new and powerful Lenovo with a high end graphics adapter, Vista, and Visual Studio is an excellent combo. You can't sit grunting in the corner forever hoping for the World to not move on ... /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 04-08-2008 18:03 >>> You like Vista? Well... there's always one... :) Susan H. > Hi Susan > > You don't know me ...? From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 16:06:49 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:06:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows References: Message-ID: <067001c8f676$16922730$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > You can't sit grunting in the corner forever hoping for the World to not > move on ... =====No, I don't mind change. I mind the business/sales armhold that MS has forced on its retailers. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 16:10:29 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:10:29 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0808041410w1174d833j6b27e005102968c2@mail.gmail.com> I bought something very similar just before moving to Bermuda: 2gb RAM, duo-core, 150gb aboard and an external Maxtor USB hard disk, and a set of speakers. Normally Bermuda nails you with a 25% import tax but for some reason they not only waived me through but gave me a document entitling me to travel in and out with the equipment but no hassle, so I got lucky. The Lenovo was a score. The speakers and external aside, I paid only $850 including taxes. And now, thanks to a company loan of a monitor, I have dual-monitors at both home and work. Sweet! Arthur On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Susan > > It was Shamil who persuaded me to take the step. A brand new and powerful > Lenovo with a high end graphics adapter, Vista, and Visual Studio is an > excellent combo. > > You can't sit grunting in the corner forever hoping for the World to not > move on ... > > /gustav > > >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 04-08-2008 18:03 >>> > You like Vista? Well... there's always one... :) > > Susan H. > > > Hi Susan > > > > You don't know me ...? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 16:11:22 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:22 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nevermind Fw: Future of traditional Windows In-Reply-To: <067001c8f676$16922730$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <067001c8f676$16922730$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808041411mdf678cwdb2ba297bf48d71d@mail.gmail.com> That's been the name of the MS game since DOS. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > You can't sit grunting in the corner forever hoping for the World to not > > move on ... > > =====No, I don't mind change. I mind the business/sales armhold that MS has > forced on its retailers. > > Susan H. > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 16:50:27 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:50:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Running Linux off your desktop, In-Reply-To: <05fb01c8f650$15198630$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <055001c8f644$3ab86070$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <073b01c8f646$7e9bc320$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <489721E7.3070607@earthlink.net> <075501c8f64e$6f3f71d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <05fb01c8f650$15198630$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <546B4AAD14F04665B5B9971932B737BF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone heard of this application? "Wubi is actually an application that allows Ubuntu to be installed from within Windows - an alternative to running a virtual machine or running from a Live CD version. The application they developed, known as Wubi, is an Unbuntu Linux installer that runs inside Windows and looks to Windows like just another application. Most of the files Wubi uses to load and run Ubuntu Linux reside in a single folder; the installer does not modify a system's disk partitions, bootloader, or any other vitals; and the whole affair uninstalls just as quickly and painlessly. (bmighty.com)" Seems real easy: http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu) Jim From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 7 05:50:51 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:50:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question Message-ID: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> Hi All, What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless access point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless networks. I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss tactics, but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be doing. The page at http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access point. I know I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you care to share. Tina From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 10:27:05 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:27:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> References: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> Message-ID: >From the GLOSSARY in the LEARNING CENTER on the Linksys website http://www.linksys.com Access Point - A device that allows wireless-equipped computers and other devices to communicate with a wired network. Also used to expand the range of a wireless network. Router - A networking device that connects multiple networks together, such as a local network and the Internet. So I beleive a Wireless Router essentially is a combination of an Access Point and a Router, providing access for wireless devices and doing the routing of network packets between both wired and wireless devices. Most of the Wireless Routers also provide firewall capabilities and do some other network stuff like assigning the IP addresses and such. . GK On 8/7/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless access > point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless networks. > I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss tactics, > but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be doing. The > page at http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says > to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access point. I know > I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the > difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you care to share. > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Aug 7 10:44:39 2008 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:44:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nicely put, Gary. Or rather, well found. The expectation these days is generally that an Access Point is the wireless equivalent to a wired hub or switch, used on internal networks, whereas a router is expected to deal with the outside world as well - hence usually having a firewall and doing NAT (Network Address Translation). If you've got a wired router, there's no reason not to connect a wireless access point to it. Some similar thoughts, also mentioning price as a factor in choosing a router even when you don't need one: http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20051024_wireless_router_or_wireless_a ccess_point.html http://www.dslreports.com/faq/11233 http://www.speedguide.net/faq_in_q.php?category=91&qid=92 http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/2006/08/29/wireless-router-as-an-ac cess-point http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101236.asp HTH, Tina John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 07 August 2008 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question >From the GLOSSARY in the LEARNING CENTER on the Linksys website http://www.linksys.com Access Point - A device that allows wireless-equipped computers and other devices to communicate with a wired network. Also used to expand the range of a wireless network. Router - A networking device that connects multiple networks together, such as a local network and the Internet. So I beleive a Wireless Router essentially is a combination of an Access Point and a Router, providing access for wireless devices and doing the routing of network packets between both wired and wireless devices. Most of the Wireless Routers also provide firewall capabilities and do some other network stuff like assigning the IP addresses and such. . GK On 8/7/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless access > point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless > networks. I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and > miss tactics, but now I would like to know what I am really supposed > to be doing. The page at > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says to be > sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access point. I know I > have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the > difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you care to > share. > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Aug 7 11:05:20 2008 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:05:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> References: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5F137765CA004376BB0648EDCDE32878@KathrynVista> Example: My 3days/week client has a large home. The router is in the genealogy room so "my" computer is able to be wired to the router. There is a wireless access point (AP) in the living room, in the guest room, and another in the pool room. The AP can "see" the router, and in that manner is "connected" just like my wired on. Hopefully that example will turn on the light bulb of understanding. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Tina Norris Fields > Sent: 07 Aug 2008 3:51 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question > > Hi All, > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a > wireless access > point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless > networks. > I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss > tactics, > but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be > doing. The > page at > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says > to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access > point. I know > I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the > difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you > care to share. > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 7 14:53:40 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:53:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: <5F137765CA004376BB0648EDCDE32878@KathrynVista> References: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com> <5F137765CA004376BB0648EDCDE32878@KathrynVista> Message-ID: <489B52C4.8090405@torchlake.com> Thanks to Gary, John, and Kathryn for the responses. I think I get it. In my setup, there is a router connected to the incoming wireless radio - call that router 1. Router 1 sends a signal to the router I have in my office - call that router 2. A wireless laptop computer can be connected to my Internet access from anywhere in the house by communicating with whichever router (1 or 2) is the nearer. So router 2 acts also as an access point for the wireless computers in my office. Yes? Tina Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Example: My 3days/week client has a large home. The router is in the > genealogy room so "my" computer is able to be wired to the router. There is > a wireless access point (AP) in the living room, in the guest room, and > another in the pool room. The AP can "see" the router, and in that manner is > "connected" just like my wired on. Hopefully that example will turn on the > light bulb of understanding. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Tina Norris Fields >> Sent: 07 Aug 2008 3:51 AM >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question >> >> Hi All, >> >> What is the difference between a wireless router and a >> wireless access >> point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless >> networks. >> I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss >> tactics, >> but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be >> doing. The >> page at >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says >> to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access >> point. I know >> I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the >> difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you >> care to share. >> >> Tina >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 7 18:05:10 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:05:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: <489B52C4.8090405@torchlake.com> References: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com>, <5F137765CA004376BB0648EDCDE32878@KathrynVista>, <489B52C4.8090405@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <489B7FA6.19361.3391E80C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Most such SOHO (Small office/Home Office) wireless devices today (from Linksys, DLink etc) are combined Access Points/Bridges, Hubs/Switches and Routers. Which one to call it depends on how you are using it. It looks as though your "Router 1" is the actual Router in your setup. What you call "Router 2" is not a Router, it is purely a Wireless Access Point, even if it is physically identical to "Router 1". "Router 1", in addition to being a Router is also a Wireless Access Point. If "Router 1" and "Router 2" are not linked by cable, they are also acting as a Bridge. This provide the connection for: 1. any computer connected to "Router 2" which accesses anything connected to "Router 1" or which accesses the Internet and 2. any computer connected to "Router 1" which access any computer connected to "Router 2". (However, if these two devices are connected together by a network cable, they are not Bridges ) In effect, you have two Wireless Access Points, one of which is also a Router and both of which may or may not also be Bridges. Clear as mud? Cheers, S On 7 Aug 2008 at 15:53, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Thanks to Gary, John, and Kathryn for the responses. I think I get it. > In my setup, there is a router connected to the incoming wireless radio > - call that router 1. Router 1 sends a signal to the router I have in > my office - call that router 2. A wireless laptop computer can be > connected to my Internet access from anywhere in the house by > communicating with whichever router (1 or 2) is the nearer. So router 2 > acts also as an access point for the wireless computers in my office. Yes? > > Tina > > > Kathryn Bassett wrote: > > Example: My 3days/week client has a large home. The router is in the > > genealogy room so "my" computer is able to be wired to the router. There is > > a wireless access point (AP) in the living room, in the guest room, and > > another in the pool room. The AP can "see" the router, and in that manner is > > "connected" just like my wired on. Hopefully that example will turn on the > > light bulb of understanding. > > > > -- > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > > kathryn at bassett.net > > http://bassett.net > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > >> Tina Norris Fields > >> Sent: 07 Aug 2008 3:51 AM > >> To: DBA Tech List > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> What is the difference between a wireless router and a > >> wireless access > >> point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless > >> networks. > >> I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss > >> tactics, > >> but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be > >> doing. The > >> page at > >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says > >> to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access > >> point. I know > >> I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the > >> difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you > >> care to share. > >> > >> Tina > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart Mclachlan From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 8 05:22:18 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:22:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question In-Reply-To: <489B7FA6.19361.3391E80C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <489AD38B.3000106@torchlake.com>, <5F137765CA004376BB0648EDCDE32878@KathrynVista>, <489B52C4.8090405@torchlake.com> <489B7FA6.19361.3391E80C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <489C1E5A.10706@torchlake.com> Clear, very clear, and thank you. Router 1 and router 2 are connected wirelessly. So, I now know what is meant by a "bridge" as well. Thank you Stuart. Tina Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Most such SOHO (Small office/Home Office) wireless devices today (from Linksys, DLink > etc) are combined Access Points/Bridges, Hubs/Switches and Routers. Which one to call it > depends on how you are using it. > > It looks as though your "Router 1" is the actual Router in your setup. > > What you call "Router 2" is not a Router, it is purely a Wireless Access Point, even if it is > physically identical to "Router 1". > > "Router 1", in addition to being a Router is also a Wireless Access Point. > > If "Router 1" and "Router 2" are not linked by cable, they are also acting as a Bridge. This > provide the connection for: > 1. any computer connected to "Router 2" which accesses anything connected to "Router 1" > or which accesses the Internet and > 2. any computer connected to "Router 1" which access any computer connected to "Router > 2". (However, if these two devices are connected together by a network cable, they are not > Bridges ) > > In effect, you have two Wireless Access Points, one of which is also a Router and both of > which may or may not also be Bridges. > > Clear as mud? > > Cheers, > S > > On 7 Aug 2008 at 15:53, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > >> Thanks to Gary, John, and Kathryn for the responses. I think I get it. >> In my setup, there is a router connected to the incoming wireless radio >> - call that router 1. Router 1 sends a signal to the router I have in >> my office - call that router 2. A wireless laptop computer can be >> connected to my Internet access from anywhere in the house by >> communicating with whichever router (1 or 2) is the nearer. So router 2 >> acts also as an access point for the wireless computers in my office. Yes? >> >> Tina >> >> >> Kathryn Bassett wrote: >> >>> Example: My 3days/week client has a large home. The router is in the >>> genealogy room so "my" computer is able to be wired to the router. There is >>> a wireless access point (AP) in the living room, in the guest room, and >>> another in the pool room. The AP can "see" the router, and in that manner is >>> "connected" just like my wired on. Hopefully that example will turn on the >>> light bulb of understanding. >>> >>> -- >>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) >>> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" >>> kathryn at bassett.net >>> http://bassett.net >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Tina Norris Fields >>>> Sent: 07 Aug 2008 3:51 AM >>>> To: DBA Tech List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Terminology Question >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> What is the difference between a wireless router and a >>>> wireless access >>>> point? I'm reading up on the "how to" of installing wireless >>>> networks. >>>> I have one little one that I cobbled together by hit and miss >>>> tactics, >>>> but now I would like to know what I am really supposed to be >>>> doing. The >>>> page at >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/wirelesssetup.mspx says >>>> to be sure to get a wireless router not a wireless access >>>> point. I know >>>> I have a router - it says so right on the box. But I don't know the >>>> difference between the two things. Thanks for any wisdom you >>>> care to share. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 8 05:33:05 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:33:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Network WinXP and Win98 Message-ID: <489C20E1.3090200@torchlake.com> Hi again all you wizards, Since you helped me with my understanding of the "router," "wireless access point," and "bridge," perhaps you can help me with this next part. In addition to my Internet access through the bridge of my two D-Link Routers, I did create a peer-to-peer network among my office computers. They were 2 WinXP laptops and 1 Win98 desktop. I used the WinXP wizard, I think, and made the network first on the main computer (the newer of the WinXP laptops), then copied the settings onto a diskette and loaded them into the other two computers. The network works well. I don't really remember what issues I faced with networking these different OSs, other than that the 802.11G technology was too much for the Win98 and I had to stay with 802.11B for its adapter card. Now, I need to do the same thing for a friend. I've been trying to refresh my memory of the issues before I go tackle her machine. What are the "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Thanks, Tina From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 8 18:45:53 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:45:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Network WinXP and Win98 In-Reply-To: <489C20E1.3090200@torchlake.com> References: <489C20E1.3090200@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <489CDAB1.2247.38DD88C2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The critical issue is IP addressing. You need to either assign each machine its own unique IP address in the same non-routable subnet space (most common ones to use are 192.168.x.x or 10.10.10.x) or configure one of your Router/WAPs as a DHCP Server (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol). You should also give each machine a meaningful name and make sure they are all in the same "WorkGroup" under "Network Connections - Advanced- Network Identification" On 8 Aug 2008 at 6:33, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi again all you wizards, > > Since you helped me with my understanding of the "router," "wireless > access point," and "bridge," perhaps you can help me with this next part. > > In addition to my Internet access through the bridge of my two D-Link > Routers, I did create a peer-to-peer network among my office computers. > They were 2 WinXP laptops and 1 Win98 desktop. I used the WinXP wizard, > I think, and made the network first on the main computer (the newer of > the WinXP laptops), then copied the settings onto a diskette and loaded > them into the other two computers. The network works well. I don't > really remember what issues I faced with networking these different OSs, > other than that the 802.11G technology was too much for the Win98 and I > had to stay with 802.11B for its adapter card. Now, I need to do the > same thing for a friend. I've been trying to refresh my memory of the > issues before I go tackle her machine. > > What are the "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? > > Thanks, > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart Mclachlan From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 07:55:45 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:55:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looks like a good opportunity Message-ID: <026801c8fa1f$3fa35ca0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> They're willing to telecommute -- I think I'd apply if I had the required skills, but I don't. Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 9 09:59:18 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:59:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looks like a good opportunity In-Reply-To: <026801c8fa1f$3fa35ca0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <026801c8fa1f$3fa35ca0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <1CA4FBB6B64B44E28EEEF997FB51F5FD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: Have you tried going to Guru.com? There are of course lots of junk jobs out there like: "Can you build me a web site like Face Book for a $1000.00?".... "No but add a zero or two to your price and we can talk." But... I have picked up a number contracts (mostly small) over the last half dozen years and have been working on some contracts that I got there (indirectly) for almost 6 years. One friend in the bussiness is now working as a remote support tech on contract for a company almost fulltime. He got the gig early this spring. There are all sorts of business postings and I know there are even positions for technical writers... (That is one category I am not in...) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:56 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looks like a good opportunity They're willing to telecommute -- I think I'd apply if I had the required skills, but I don't. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 10:06:25 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:06:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looks like a good opportunity References: <026801c8fa1f$3fa35ca0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <1CA4FBB6B64B44E28EEEF997FB51F5FD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <02f401c8fa31$a12076e0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > > Have you tried going to Guru.com? ======I checked it out the last time you mentioned it, but I haven't joined yet. It's on my long list... :) Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 07:35:26 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:35:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel, Firefox, and the Internet Message-ID: <04d201c8fd44$12ef5f60$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I wrote a short tip for transferring data from a Web page into Excel. Now, the site I used in the example looks like a transferred Web page in Excel. This has got to be some setting on my end, but I can't figure it out. They look fine in IE, so this has got to be related to what I did with Excel and I can't figure it out. How and why would something I did in Excel affect the way FF displays a Web page? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 10:38:16 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:38:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox Message-ID: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Can I reset Firefox to installation defaults and settings? After transferring data from a web site to Excel, the pages I transferred are now messed up and I can't seem to find any setting that fixes it. Nor can I find a general Reset option. Thanks! Susan H. From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Aug 14 11:18:54 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:18:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox In-Reply-To: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Susan, Don't know if this will work but if you shut down Firfox completely. Then from the Start menu navigate to Firefox and select Firefox (safe mode) and there's an option to reset all user preferences to Firefox defaults Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:38 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox Can I reset Firefox to installation defaults and settings? After transferring data from a web site to Excel, the pages I transferred are now messed up and I can't seem to find any setting that fixes it. Nor can I find a general Reset option. Thanks! Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:45:58 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:45:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox References: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <024601c8fe2d$3b878620$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Ended up losing all my settings and it still didn't work -- how terribly odd. This isn't my only problem with Firefox. I guess I'm going back to IE, although I kind of prefer Firefox, but this is the second "setting" type problem I've had that I simply can't fix. The other is, I can no longer get into my online banking site using FF. Susan H. > Susan, > Don't know if this will work but if you shut down Firfox completely. > Then from the Start menu navigate to Firefox and select Firefox (safe > mode) and there's an option to reset all user preferences to Firefox > defaults > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:38 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox > > Can I reset Firefox to installation defaults and settings? After > transferring data from a web site to Excel, the pages I transferred are > now messed up and I can't seem to find any setting that fixes it. Nor > can I find a general Reset option. > > Thanks! > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Aug 14 12:12:33 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:12:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox In-Reply-To: <024601c8fe2d$3b878620$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <024601c8fe2d$3b878620$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Could you restore to a point prior to the problem? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox Ended up losing all my settings and it still didn't work -- how terribly odd. This isn't my only problem with Firefox. I guess I'm going back to IE, although I kind of prefer Firefox, but this is the second "setting" type problem I've had that I simply can't fix. The other is, I can no longer get into my online banking site using FF. Susan H. > Susan, > Don't know if this will work but if you shut down Firfox completely. > Then from the Start menu navigate to Firefox and select Firefox (safe > mode) and there's an option to reset all user preferences to Firefox > defaults > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:38 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox > > Can I reset Firefox to installation defaults and settings? After > transferring data from a web site to Excel, the pages I transferred > are now messed up and I can't seem to find any setting that fixes it. > Nor can I find a general Reset option. > > Thanks! > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 12:34:43 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:34:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox References: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne><024601c8fe2d$3b878620$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <028201c8fe34$2d441450$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I hadn't thought about that -- I'll check it out. Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox > Could you restore to a point prior to the problem? > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:46 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox > > Ended up losing all my settings and it still didn't work -- how terribly > odd. This isn't my only problem with Firefox. I guess I'm going back to > IE, although I kind of prefer Firefox, but this is the second "setting" > type problem I've had that I simply can't fix. The other is, I can no > longer get into my online banking site using FF. > > Susan H. > > >> Susan, >> Don't know if this will work but if you shut down Firfox completely. >> Then from the Start menu navigate to Firefox and select Firefox (safe >> mode) and there's an option to reset all user preferences to Firefox >> defaults >> >> >> Ed Tesiny >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Harkins >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:38 AM >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox >> >> Can I reset Firefox to installation defaults and settings? After >> transferring data from a web site to Excel, the pages I transferred >> are now messed up and I can't seem to find any setting that fixes it. >> Nor can I find a general Reset option. >> >> Thanks! >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:32:50 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:32:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox References: <019e01c8fe23$c6683e10$2f8601c7@SusanOne><024601c8fe2d$3b878620$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <012901c8fe76$d642fed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Welp, didn't work. Oh well... you know, I'd expect this behavior from IE, not FF! ;) I've lost my toolbar and all my bookmarks -- and believe me, I had a ton of them -- my own fault though as I hadn't meant to check that item and I guess I accidentally did. Restoring the system didn't restore my toolbar or bookmarks. I'm very disappointed in that -- it'll take me days to recover. But, I'm going back to IE -- FF is just too flaky. Susan H. > Could you restore to a point prior to the problem? From hkotsch at arcor.de Fri Aug 15 02:44:43 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:44:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox In-Reply-To: <012901c8fe76$d642fed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: If you still want to stay with Firefox I would recommend: http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com./ Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Susan Harkins Gesendet: Freitag, 15. August 2008 03:33 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Reset Firefox Welp, didn't work. Oh well... you know, I'd expect this behavior from IE, not FF! ;) I've lost my toolbar and all my bookmarks -- and believe me, I had a ton of them -- my own fault though as I hadn't meant to check that item and I guess I accidentally did. Restoring the system didn't restore my toolbar or bookmarks. I'm very disappointed in that -- it'll take me days to recover. But, I'm going back to IE -- FF is just too flaky. Susan H. > Could you restore to a point prior to the problem? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 15 12:24:41 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:24:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <48950D68.2090009@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200808151724.m7FHOVNc023600@databaseadvisors.com> Bad news for all the curious and unprotected: just got notified on my vipre/counterspy list that antivirXP09 is the latest iteration of this pest. Apparently it is happening both from web page drive by downloads and it has happened to a few people while opening their gmail account. I don't know yet if it was an attachment or what. Be careful out there. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:44 PM To: 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? Hi, Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their systems. Anyone here know about this thing? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 15 21:58:23 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:58:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <200808151724.m7FHOVNc023600@databaseadvisors.com> References: <48950D68.2090009@torchlake.com> <200808151724.m7FHOVNc023600@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <5D65C1D0B50841C59C39698128E6EE97@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: And if you want to go in and remove it manually check out the following: http://www.xp-vista.com/spyware-removal/antivirxp08-anti-vir-xp-08-removal-i nstructions ...Removed it from a client's server about a week ago... had to guess most of the removal process. Watch out for Codex as it seems to be a common source but it must be a specific location; I just have not nailed it yet. If you want to become a virus hunter build yourself a good BartsPE boot CD filled with all the weapons. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:25 AM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? Bad news for all the curious and unprotected: just got notified on my vipre/counterspy list that antivirXP09 is the latest iteration of this pest. Apparently it is happening both from web page drive by downloads and it has happened to a few people while opening their gmail account. I don't know yet if it was an attachment or what. Be careful out there. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:44 PM To: 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? Hi, Panic call from my Dad. He opened an email message that he thought was some kind of expose about a McCain ad. Apparently this email infected his machine with AntiVirXP08. A quick Google search indicates this program is a fake anti-virus program that lures people into buying it, while it installs spyware and other malware on their systems. Anyone here know about this thing? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Sat Aug 16 17:59:17 2008 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:59:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] AntiVirXP08 - Anybody Know About This? In-Reply-To: <5D65C1D0B50841C59C39698128E6EE97@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: See also http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/16/certified_malware/ for GlobalSign's revocation and more. John From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 09:51:03 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term Message-ID: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? Susan H. From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Aug 17 09:59:38 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:59:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] term In-Reply-To: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <03C16BCDC7984D83BB1A23BCEFEE40A1@jt2c> It's not one that I've heard of in my 8 years in IT. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 17 August 2008 15:51 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] term Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Aug 17 10:05:59 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] term In-Reply-To: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <3A8E050BFC0843DD8FF2A6A386FC42F5@danwaters> Hi Susan, I've heard this term many times - it's generic and could be used in any applicable situation. But I haven't heard it used in IT. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:51 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] term Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 10:09:09 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:09:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term References: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <3A8E050BFC0843DD8FF2A6A386FC42F5@danwaters> Message-ID: <08dd01c9007b$345f2d80$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I wanted to use it when referencing the type of consultant who shows up just to fix things that break -- a "break-fix" consultant... Would that make sense -- do you think the readers would identify with it? Susan H. > Hi Susan, > > I've heard this term many times - it's generic and could be used in any > applicable situation. But I haven't heard it used in IT. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:51 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] term > > Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Aug 17 10:23:44 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:23:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] term In-Reply-To: <08dd01c9007b$345f2d80$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne><3A8E050BFC0843DD8FF2A6A386FC42F5@danwaters> <08dd01c9007b$345f2d80$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <48967384F4444576836044558261C77F@danwaters> Hmmm. I'm going to guess that that would be creating some new terminology. This times I've most heard this refer to engineering, manufacturing, and product testing. They'll test something to extremes, see what breaks, and then fix it. IT does this too, but I think it's called stress testing or load testing. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] term I wanted to use it when referencing the type of consultant who shows up just to fix things that break -- a "break-fix" consultant... Would that make sense -- do you think the readers would identify with it? Susan H. > Hi Susan, > > I've heard this term many times - it's generic and could be used in any > applicable situation. But I haven't heard it used in IT. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:51 AM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] term > > Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 10:32:47 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:32:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term References: <08c601c90078$ae9efba0$2f8601c7@SusanOne><3A8E050BFC0843DD8FF2A6A386FC42F5@danwaters><08dd01c9007b$345f2d80$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <48967384F4444576836044558261C77F@danwaters> Message-ID: <08fa01c9007e$82f1be10$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Ok -- I'm glad I asked. Thank you! Susan H. > Hmmm. I'm going to guess that that would be creating some new > terminology. > > This times I've most heard this refer to engineering, manufacturing, and > product testing. They'll test something to extremes, see what breaks, and > then fix it. IT does this too, but I think it's called stress testing or > load testing. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:09 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] term > > I wanted to use it when referencing the type of consultant who shows up > just > > to fix things that break -- a "break-fix" consultant... > > Would that make sense -- do you think the readers would identify with it? > > Susan H. > > >> Hi Susan, >> >> I've heard this term many times - it's generic and could be used in any >> applicable situation. But I haven't heard it used in IT. >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:51 AM >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] term >> >> Is the term "break-fix" a known term -- within the context of IT support? >> >> Susan H. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 10:37:03 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled Message-ID: <0f5c01c90211$6fe6dc30$2f8601c7@SusanOne> The Pop-up Blocker option in IE 7 is disabled. I have no idea how it got that way or how to enable it. Any help? Susan H. From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Aug 19 10:47:08 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:47:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f5c01c90211$6fe6dc30$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <0f5c01c90211$6fe6dc30$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Susan, ---->Turn Pop-up Blocker On Not sure what you mean, you don't have Tools--->Pop-up Blocker---->Pop-up Blocker Settings Is the option greyed out or something Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:37 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled The Pop-up Blocker option in IE 7 is disabled. I have no idea how it got that way or how to enable it. Any help? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 19 10:51:25 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:51:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f5c01c90211$6fe6dc30$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200808191551.m7JFpIpe011198@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Susan, On the upper left corner of the IE window you have a Tools Item with a gear icon next to it. Click: Tools | Pop-up Blocker | Turn On/Off (its like a light switch) You can also do this from Internet Options on the Tool Bar, Shortcut Menu or Control Panel. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:37 AM The Pop-up Blocker option in IE 7 is disabled. I have no idea how it got that way or how to enable it. Any help? From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 10:50:24 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:50:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled References: <0f5c01c90211$6fe6dc30$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0f6901c90213$927eafa0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > ---->Turn > Pop-up Blocker On > Not sure what you mean, you don't have Tools--->Pop-up > Blocker---->Pop-up Blocker Settings > > Is the option greyed out or something ======Yes, the option is greyed out, so I can't turn on the pop-up blocker. :( This is a single system, so I'm the only administrator there is and I never did a thing to disable it. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 10:59:05 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:59:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled References: <200808191551.m7JFpIpe011198@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <0f7301c90214$83a219d0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > Hi Susan, > On the upper left corner of the IE window you have a Tools Item with a > gear > icon next to it. Click: > Tools | Pop-up Blocker | Turn On/Off (its like a light switch) > > You can also do this from Internet Options on the Tool Bar, Shortcut Menu > or > Control Panel. =======There's no Pop-up Blocker item on my Tools menu (next to the Gear icon). All paths to Pop-up Blocker end up at the same place, with a disabled checkbox option and disabled Settings button. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 19 11:10:48 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:10:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f7301c90214$83a219d0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200808191610.m7JGAf0A020766@databaseadvisors.com> Which version of XP do you have? (Windows Update is been pushing SP3 now.) Right click my computer and choose "properties" John B. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 11:17:14 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:17:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled References: <200808191610.m7JGAf0A020766@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <0f8701c90217$0bbb2fd0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> SP2 -- any complaints on SP3? If not, I'll install it. Susan H. > Which version of XP do you have? (Windows Update is been pushing SP3 now.) > > Right click my computer and choose "properties" From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Aug 19 11:22:24 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:22:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f7301c90214$83a219d0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <200808191551.m7JFpIpe011198@databaseadvisors.com> <0f7301c90214$83a219d0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Perhaps a backdoor trojan changed your settings. Take a look at Hijackthis. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled > Hi Susan, > On the upper left corner of the IE window you have a Tools Item with a > gear icon next to it. Click: > Tools | Pop-up Blocker | Turn On/Off (its like a light switch) > > You can also do this from Internet Options on the Tool Bar, Shortcut > Menu or Control Panel. =======There's no Pop-up Blocker item on my Tools menu (next to the Gear icon). All paths to Pop-up Blocker end up at the same place, with a disabled checkbox option and disabled Settings button. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 19 12:26:56 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:26:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f8701c90217$0bbb2fd0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200808191726.m7JHQlDv025098@databaseadvisors.com> I've only had one problem with it so far - it broke the Windows Update Feature!? Its only done that on one computer that I've worked on but how stupid is this? :o) There are other issues with it that I haven't experienced. I don't think installing SP3 is the answer for you but to be quite frank, I don't suggest you use it anyway. Why do you want to? Besides the pop-up blocker not being accessible is there anything else that isn't accessible in your IE7? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled SP2 -- any complaints on SP3? If not, I'll install it. From rustykh at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 13:40:11 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled Message-ID: <524264.82191.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Susan, Have you checked your antivirus/security software settings. They sometimes include extra things like pop-up blockers and it may be disabling the setting in IE7. ----- Original Message ---- From: Susan Harkins To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:59:05 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled > Hi Susan, > On the upper left corner of the IE window you have a Tools Item with a > gear > icon next to it. Click: > Tools | Pop-up Blocker | Turn On/Off (its like a light switch) > > You can also do this from Internet Options on the Tool Bar, Shortcut Menu > or > Control Panel. =======There's no Pop-up Blocker item on my Tools menu (next to the Gear icon). All paths to Pop-up Blocker end up at the same place, with a disabled checkbox option and disabled Settings button. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 16:13:18 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:13:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled References: <200808191726.m7JHQlDv025098@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <100c01c90240$ebcdb7e0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> > Besides the pop-up blocker not being accessible is there anything else > that > isn't accessible in your IE7? ========The only thing I've run into so far. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 19 17:15:46 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:15:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Pop-up Blocker disabled In-Reply-To: <0f7301c90214$83a219d0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <200808192215.m7JMFbNh020200@databaseadvisors.com> Susan: I googled this in regards to your problem: "It might be a security program blocking the Registry change it needs to make. A few, but not all, of the programs now doing this are: Ad-aware's Ad-Watch IBM Access Connections Kaspersky McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware Norton AV Spyware Blaster Spybot> Tools> IE Tweaks Spybot- Teatimer Spysweeper Spyware Doctor Windows Defender Zone Alarm (free) 6.5 Reported to be fixed in later versions. In the case of Zone Alarm 6.5 or Norton 2007 it actually has to be uninstalled. Make sure the Windows Firewall is turned on until you reinstall Zone Alarm." Last I knew you didn't have any of these installed but just in case the registry changes are being blocked I suggest this: Shutdown and restart and once it gets past the intial black screen on boot-up press the F8 key. Boot into "Safe Mode with Networking" and try to turn it on. If you can restart again and check if it stuck. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 04:36:54 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:36:54 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech Message-ID: <29f585dd0808200236s5904318k45ad472aa659a514@mail.gmail.com> Why do insects turn upside down when they die? Fish do this too, at least the ones I have observed. Is this why we have the expression "belly up"? I'm not sure how to incorporate this behaviour into software. Maybe if the program crashes, next run it opens upside down? From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 20 05:59:15 2008 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:59:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech Message-ID: <200808201059.m7KAxJrx016944@databaseadvisors.com> Boy is that pushing the boundaries of what's "sort of tech" :-) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech Date: 20/08/08 09:38 Why do insects turn upside down when they die? Fish do this too, at least the ones I have observed. Is this why we have the expression "belly up"? I'm not sure how to incorporate this behaviour into software. Maybe if the program crashes, next run it opens upside down? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 07:08:28 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:08:28 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run As Message-ID: <29f585dd0808200508r339537bby5ca6a6a5828dfe98@mail.gmail.com> Due to network and security issues, I have to run one program using "Run As" and then specify the user name and password. Is there a way that I can create a shortcut that contains this information so I don't have to type it in every time? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 07:13:25 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:13:25 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech In-Reply-To: <200808201059.m7KAxJrx016944@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200808201059.m7KAxJrx016944@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808200513l24e31a10ydbd29d0b2e7f6e9e@mail.gmail.com> LOL. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Andy Lacey wrote: > Boy is that pushing the boundaries of what's "sort of tech" :-) > > -- > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 20 07:32:35 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:32:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech In-Reply-To: <200808201059.m7KAxJrx016944@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200808201059.m7KAxJrx016944@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: If you've got an nVidia graphics card, you could always get it to display the whole screen upside down... Ctrl+Up, that might do it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 20 August 2008 11:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech Boy is that pushing the boundaries of what's "sort of tech" :-) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: [dba-Tech] OT but still sort of tech Date: 20/08/08 09:38 Why do insects turn upside down when they die? Fish do this too, at least the ones I have observed. Is this why we have the expression "belly up"? I'm not sure how to incorporate this behaviour into software. Maybe if the program crashes, next run it opens upside down? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 20 07:33:59 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:33:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run As In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808200508r339537bby5ca6a6a5828dfe98@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808200508r339537bby5ca6a6a5828dfe98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. Create your shortcut as normal, then right click, properties. Click on Advanced, and in there is a tick box that says "Run with different credentials". Put your username and password in there, and Robert is your fathers brother. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 August 2008 13:08 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Run As Due to network and security issues, I have to run one program using "Run As" and then specify the user name and password. Is there a way that I can create a shortcut that contains this information so I don't have to type it in every time? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 07:45:54 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:45:54 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run As In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0808200508r339537bby5ca6a6a5828dfe98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808200545y2b9c199byf4aa2893d0e8e79@mail.gmail.com> Thanks! On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Yes. Create your shortcut as normal, then right click, properties. Click on > Advanced, and in there is a tick box that says "Run with different > credentials". Put your username and password in there, and Robert is your > fathers brother. > > Jon > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 20 07:57:09 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:57:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 Message-ID: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? Rocky From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 20 08:01:59 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:01:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 In-Reply-To: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <0C15642BB3CC43A1961C461F93B614F6@jt2c> I've installed it on 5 or 6 PCs now, and had no problems whatsoever. I downloaded the CD image and installed it from there, rather than a windows update however, so I don't kow if there's anything to watch out for from there, but for the msot part, if you're not using an HP with an AMD processor in it, I don't think there's much to worry about. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 20 August 2008 13:57 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 20 08:13:22 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:13:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Message-ID: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> History: To support my clients that need automation, a couple years ago I switched to Outlook for myself. Before I used Express and Thunderbird. I had a problem with Thunderbird that I couldn't solve, so that helped push me into Outlook. The one feature of Outlook that's better (or was) than the others is the spell check. Really superior. Now: Outlook has slowed down to the point where I need to do something about it. When it gets the mail, it bogs down the machine to the point where it's annoying - more than. There is often a delay of several seconds when displaying a message in the preview pane or deleting a message. I do have several thousand emails saved in folders although I clean out pretty regularly. I am running AVG with email scanner but always have - but I wonder if that might be causing the delay. Hate to lose that since email's the primary way to get your machine infected. What to do: I could move back to Thunderbird. It was pretty good - probably better now than when I used it before. Express is fine, too. Especially if those programs can import the Outlook settings - accounts and address book (I could leave the old emails behind) Outlook Express was always good to me. Any ideas on a fix for Outlook or a better alternative? MTIA, Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 08:25:14 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:25:14 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808200625x19bb4531x8820801db7e9ba5@mail.gmail.com> I switched from Outlook to gmail a couple of years back. It's not perfect but the thing I like most is that the storage is remote, so I can get to my mail from any computer connected to the net. The thing I miss from Outlook, though, is its ability to create sub-folders within the inbox and have rules that move new messages into the appropriate sub-folder. Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 20 08:38:19 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:38:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 In-Reply-To: <0C15642BB3CC43A1961C461F93B614F6@jt2c> References: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <0C15642BB3CC43A1961C461F93B614F6@jt2c> Message-ID: <001501c902ca$02270210$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Good to know because my laptop is an HP (Compaq actually) with an AMD 32 bit Athlon. Any plusses to SP3? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 I've installed it on 5 or 6 PCs now, and had no problems whatsoever. I downloaded the CD image and installed it from there, rather than a windows update however, so I don't kow if there's anything to watch out for from there, but for the msot part, if you're not using an HP with an AMD processor in it, I don't think there's much to worry about. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 20 August 2008 13:57 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Aug 20 08:39:10 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:39:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCI to PCI Express converter or adapter? Message-ID: <48AC1E7E.8010201@torchlake.com> Hi All, I recently bought a wireless network adapter card that goes into a PCI Express slot. Oops, I have PCI slots. Does anybody know of an adapter to convert between these two? Thanks. Tina From rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com Wed Aug 20 08:38:08 2008 From: rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com (rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:38:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808200625x19bb4531x8820801db7e9ba5@mail.gmail.com> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0808200625x19bb4531x8820801db7e9ba5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Yahoo mail, which has subfolders (though not sub-subfolders) and rules for moving emails. It doesn't do spellchecking though, and the servers go down or are slow occasionally, which is hugely frustrating. Roz -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 August 2008 14:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again I switched from Outlook to gmail a couple of years back. It's not perfect but the thing I like most is that the storage is remote, so I can get to my mail from any computer connected to the net. The thing I miss from Outlook, though, is its ability to create sub-folders within the inbox and have rules that move new messages into the appropriate sub-folder. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. 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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 20 08:40:56 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:40:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808200625x19bb4531x8820801db7e9ba5@mail.gmail.com> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0808200625x19bb4531x8820801db7e9ba5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c902ca$5fe8a020$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Well, for business reasons I probably shouldn't use gmail - I'm master of my own domain (2 of them actually) and I think clients and customers would prefer an email address to my domain - credibility thing. Lack of folders and rules things is a big minus for me as well. But it would be good for OT I suppose. But I got an Gmail account - lost the username and password and can't seem to recover them. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again I switched from Outlook to gmail a couple of years back. It's not perfect but the thing I like most is that the storage is remote, so I can get to my mail from any computer connected to the net. The thing I miss from Outlook, though, is its ability to create sub-folders within the inbox and have rules that move new messages into the appropriate sub-folder. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 20 08:53:58 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:53:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 In-Reply-To: <001501c902ca$02270210$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><0C15642BB3CC43A1961C461F93B614F6@jt2c> <001501c902ca$02270210$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <1350F5EBD8534956AEB193DF302C4AEB@jt2c> Aside from including all the previous updates since SP2, there's some new functionality in it... It's got some of the new Group Policy Objects that Vista uses, for use on a domain (probably won't worry you though), as well as some network security toys. There is a way around the issue with AMD chips on HP PCs, but I can't remember it off the top of my head. I think it was because HP use one image regardless of the processor installed, and the Intel chips need one particular file. If this file is present, SP3 thinks that you've got an Intel chip, and does something funky, and you can't boot back into Windows after installation. At least, that was the case when it first came out, hopefully theyv'e fixed that now... Worth checking out first though! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 20 August 2008 14:38 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 Good to know because my laptop is an HP (Compaq actually) with an AMD 32 bit Athlon. Any plusses to SP3? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 I've installed it on 5 or 6 PCs now, and had no problems whatsoever. I downloaded the CD image and installed it from there, rather than a windows update however, so I don't kow if there's anything to watch out for from there, but for the msot part, if you're not using an HP with an AMD processor in it, I don't think there's much to worry about. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 20 August 2008 13:57 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 20 08:58:06 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:58:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <200808201358.m7KDvvUD011859@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Rocky, Have you tried to compress your Outlook Data File? It could be bloated. Similar to an mdb, Outlook's pst files do not automatically resize when you delete old items. You have to manually compress it every so often. Also, I've noticed that AVG 8 is slower than previous versions. That may be causing some of your slowness. John B. From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 20 09:00:47 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:00:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 In-Reply-To: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <200808201400.m7KE0c0E013312@databaseadvisors.com> It can break Windows Update. SP3 eliminates the need to install about a bazillion updates to SP2. Other than that I don't know of any compelling reason for the majority of users to install it at this time. Eventually, I would imagine, security updates would be based on it rather than SP2. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:57 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 20 09:21:39 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:21:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <200808201358.m7KDvvUD011859@databaseadvisors.com> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <200808201358.m7KDvvUD011859@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002201c902d0$102bd150$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Just did it - personal folders compacted in about 4 seconds. So that's probably not it. I'll try turning off email scanning on AVG - see what happens. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Hi Rocky, Have you tried to compress your Outlook Data File? It could be bloated. Similar to an mdb, Outlook's pst files do not automatically resize when you delete old items. You have to manually compress it every so often. Also, I've noticed that AVG 8 is slower than previous versions. That may be causing some of your slowness. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 20 12:38:15 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:38:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 In-Reply-To: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000301c902c4$420e9fb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: It seems to keep working after the upgrade... which I believe is a good sign. I have notice that support for old DOS based applications is dwindling and in some cases can only be run in a virtual window... some client older proprietary apps are experiencing these issues and the cost of a new design are prohibitive. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:57 am Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP3 To: List > MS wants me to install SP3. Any pros or cons? > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 20 17:50:19 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:50:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Have you tried Pegasus Mail - I've been using it for the last 12 years or so and wouldn't use anything else: http://www.pmail.com -- Stuart On 20 Aug 2008 at 6:13, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > History: To support my clients that need automation, a couple years ago I > switched to Outlook for myself. Before I used Express and Thunderbird. I > had a problem with Thunderbird that I couldn't solve, so that helped push me > into Outlook. The one feature of Outlook that's better (or was) than the > others is the spell check. Really superior. > > Now: Outlook has slowed down to the point where I need to do something about > it. When it gets the mail, it bogs down the machine to the point where > it's annoying - more than. There is often a delay of several seconds when > displaying a message in the preview pane or deleting a message. I do have > several thousand emails saved in folders although I clean out pretty > regularly. > > I am running AVG with email scanner but always have - but I wonder if that > might be causing the delay. Hate to lose that since email's the primary way > to get your machine infected. > > What to do: I could move back to Thunderbird. It was pretty good - > probably better now than when I used it before. Express is fine, too. > Especially if those programs can import the Outlook settings - accounts and > address book (I could leave the old emails behind) Outlook Express was > always good to me. > > Any ideas on a fix for Outlook or a better alternative? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart Mclachlan From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Aug 21 15:02:23 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:02:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCI to PCI Express converter or adapter? References: <48AC1E7E.8010201@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Common consensus seems to be return for a PCI. Or upgrade to a new box with PCI Express slots. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:39 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] PCI to PCI Express converter or adapter? Hi All, I recently bought a wireless network adapter card that goes into a PCI Express slot. Oops, I have PCI slots. Does anybody know of an adapter to convert between these two? Thanks. Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 21 16:45:39 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:45:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCI to PCI Express converter or adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <48AC1E7E.8010201@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <48ADE203.4090705@torchlake.com> Thank you, Perry. That's what I will do - return for a PCI. Upgrading these boxes is just not in the budget. :) Thanks again, Tina Perry L Harold wrote: > Common consensus seems to be return for a PCI. Or upgrade to a new box > with PCI Express slots. > > > Perry Harold > Professional Testing Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:39 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] PCI to PCI Express converter or adapter? > > Hi All, > > I recently bought a wireless network adapter card that goes into a PCI > Express slot. Oops, I have PCI slots. Does anybody know of an adapter > to convert between these two? Thanks. > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 22 07:40:04 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:40:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Would you believe that deleting about 1.5GB of old emails - mostly with big attachments (and mostly from the sent folder) seems to have greatly improved the situation? So now it's a lot more snappier moving from one email to another. But it still practically stops the machine when it's receiving emails which is pretty annoying. IIRC neither T-bird nor OE ever did that. So I may just give Pegasus a whirl. It's in contention with Thunderbird and OE. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Have you tried Pegasus Mail - I've been using it for the last 12 years or so and wouldn't use anything else: http://www.pmail.com -- Stuart On 20 Aug 2008 at 6:13, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > History: To support my clients that need automation, a couple years > ago I switched to Outlook for myself. Before I used Express and > Thunderbird. I had a problem with Thunderbird that I couldn't solve, > so that helped push me into Outlook. The one feature of Outlook > that's better (or was) than the others is the spell check. Really superior. > > Now: Outlook has slowed down to the point where I need to do something about > it. When it gets the mail, it bogs down the machine to the point where > it's annoying - more than. There is often a delay of several seconds > when displaying a message in the preview pane or deleting a message. I > do have several thousand emails saved in folders although I clean out > pretty regularly. > > I am running AVG with email scanner but always have - but I wonder if > that might be causing the delay. Hate to lose that since email's the > primary way to get your machine infected. > > What to do: I could move back to Thunderbird. It was pretty good - > probably better now than when I used it before. Express is fine, too. > Especially if those programs can import the Outlook settings - > accounts and address book (I could leave the old emails behind) > Outlook Express was always good to me. > > Any ideas on a fix for Outlook or a better alternative? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart Mclachlan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 22 10:05:54 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:05:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <00d101c90468$92f83620$b8e8a260$@net> Rocky, Which version of Outlook is this? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Would you believe that deleting about 1.5GB of old emails - mostly with big attachments (and mostly from the sent folder) seems to have greatly improved the situation? So now it's a lot more snappier moving from one email to another. But it still practically stops the machine when it's receiving emails which is pretty annoying. IIRC neither T-bird nor OE ever did that. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 22 10:29:52 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:29:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <00d101c90468$92f83620$b8e8a260$@net> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <00d101c90468$92f83620$b8e8a260$@net> Message-ID: <003001c9046b$ec2fd7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 2003 SP3 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Rocky, Which version of Outlook is this? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again Would you believe that deleting about 1.5GB of old emails - mostly with big attachments (and mostly from the sent folder) seems to have greatly improved the situation? So now it's a lot more snappier moving from one email to another. But it still practically stops the machine when it's receiving emails which is pretty annoying. IIRC neither T-bird nor OE ever did that. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 22 10:51:59 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:51:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <003001c9046b$ec2fd7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <00d101c90468$92f83620$b8e8a260$@net> <003001c9046b$ec2fd7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <00ea01c9046f$03645dc0$0a2d1940$@net> OK, well, I was thinking it was 2007. I just installed 2007 to test it out and what a pig that is. When checking email it complete stops everything on the machine (AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core Processor 5400+ with 2GB RAM). I can run Photoshop, Illustrator, Access, and numerous other high pressure programs on this thing at once but Outlook 2007 brings it to its knees. Constantly hesitates on typing replies - I just had to wait for it to catch up in this reply! On the positive the SPAM filter seems to works really well. Some other PIMs you may want to try: i.Scribe (free) or its commercial sibling InScribe Poco Systems' Barca John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again 2003 SP3 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 22 11:01:20 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:01:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again In-Reply-To: <00ea01c9046f$03645dc0$0a2d1940$@net> References: <000d01c902c6$85e86570$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001901c90454$33b195d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <00d101c90468$92f83620$b8e8a260$@net><003001c9046b$ec2fd7e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <00ea01c9046f$03645dc0$0a2d1940$@net> Message-ID: <003101c90470$51c3bb40$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I'm really leaning towards OE - I used it before and it works just fine. I don't need any bells or whistles - just speed. I used Thunderbird as well for a few years and it was great - then suddenly it went south on me and I couldn't get it to work. It's probably had 3-4 releases since then though. I really liked it when I was using it though I can't remember why. Maybe just using a non-M$ product is it's own reward. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again OK, well, I was thinking it was 2007. I just installed 2007 to test it out and what a pig that is. When checking email it complete stops everything on the machine (AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core Processor 5400+ with 2GB RAM). I can run Photoshop, Illustrator, Access, and numerous other high pressure programs on this thing at once but Outlook 2007 brings it to its knees. Constantly hesitates on typing replies - I just had to wait for it to catch up in this reply! On the positive the SPAM filter seems to works really well. Some other PIMs you may want to try: i.Scribe (free) or its commercial sibling InScribe Poco Systems' Barca John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Email Program Again 2003 SP3 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:02:46 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:02:46 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Question Message-ID: <29f585dd0808221102r70978aa3saf0897d8c001ac26@mail.gmail.com> Is there any way to tag or at least filter the message list to show only those messages with attachments? TIA, Arthur From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Fri Aug 22 13:34:35 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:34:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Question In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808221102r70978aa3saf0897d8c001ac26@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808221102r70978aa3saf0897d8c001ac26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arthur, Once you log in to Gmail, you should see settings at the top of the screen. Select settings, filter, create a filter, there's a check off box for 'Has Attachment' Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Question Is there any way to tag or at least filter the message list to show only those messages with attachments? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:40:38 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:40:38 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Question In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0808221102r70978aa3saf0897d8c001ac26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808221140o1225cbe3mf999f5ea78ea5971@mail.gmail.com> Cool! Thanks Ed. A. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Arthur, > Once you log in to Gmail, you should see settings at the top of the > screen. Select settings, filter, create a filter, there's a check off > box for 'Has Attachment' > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Question > > Is there any way to tag or at least filter the message list to show only > those messages with attachments? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 12:07:01 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:07:01 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Message-ID: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Aug 25 14:51:28 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:51:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B30D40.3020607@torchlake.com> I dunno Arthur, but I pretty much do the same. Unless I need to take it somewhere, or there is bad weather coming, I just leave it on and running. Let's see what the others say. Tina Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the > power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will > the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a > notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Aug 25 19:00:46 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:00:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <48B30D40.3020607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I think it would be a good idea to remove the battery when leaving the notebook on 24/7. These batteries don't like being under power all the time. I think I also read this advice once in a Toshiba manual. Also the screen should be switched off because the fluorescent light for the background illumination might wear out. I think this is being handled by the power savings settings anyhow. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris Fields Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 21:51 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I dunno Arthur, but I pretty much do the same. Unless I need to take it somewhere, or there is bad weather coming, I just leave it on and running. Let's see what the others say. Tina Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the > power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will > the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a > notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 15:33:20 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:33:20 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: References: <48B30D40.3020607@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808251333y17630885v7add48bec636eb47@mail.gmail.com> I will give that a try. Thanks, Helmut. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > I think it would be a good idea to remove the battery when leaving the > notebook on 24/7. These batteries don't like being under power all the > time. > I think I also read this advice once in a Toshiba manual. Also the screen > should be switched off because the fluorescent light for the background > illumination might wear out. I think this is being handled by the power > savings settings anyhow. > > Helmut > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 25 16:45:16 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:45:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c906fb$dca7c430$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is the most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on the bearings on the hard drive? I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Aug 25 21:16:34 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:16:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <000c01c906fb$dca7c430$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: $15/mo/computer seams to be pretty high. But I don't know your electric rates, what is it per Kilowatt-Hour (kWhr). The ongoing heat might depending on the design degrade the plastic parts. It is actually the inrush current that kills the most electronic parts during power on. The bearings of the hard drives shouldn't represent a problem it is a more likely problem that the read/write heads stick to the disk during power off which get damaged during power on. I have 5 desktop PC's running at my friends company for over 11 years 24/7/365 without any problems. I bet you, that if they would have switched them of every day they all would have gone broke for one or the other reason mostly for electronic failure due to the inrush current. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 23:45 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is the most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on the bearings on the hard drive? I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 17:17:43 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:17:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B32F87.40201@earthlink.net> Every subsystem has an expected half life. I just close its lid when I close mine. I know of no advantage to turning it off if there's not s specific need to reboot. Or as Mr Kay might could have said, only warm boots for me P. Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the > power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will > the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a > notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 8:12 AM > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 25 18:12:47 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:12:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c906fb$dca7c430$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001401c90708$16a4ed50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I haven't looked at our rates for a while but the last time I looked it was about $.23 per kwh. How does that compare with yours? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook $15/mo/computer seams to be pretty high. But I don't know your electric rates, what is it per Kilowatt-Hour (kWhr). The ongoing heat might depending on the design degrade the plastic parts. It is actually the inrush current that kills the most electronic parts during power on. The bearings of the hard drives shouldn't represent a problem it is a more likely problem that the read/write heads stick to the disk during power off which get damaged during power on. I have 5 desktop PC's running at my friends company for over 11 years 24/7/365 without any problems. I bet you, that if they would have switched them of every day they all would have gone broke for one or the other reason mostly for electronic failure due to the inrush current. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 23:45 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is the most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on the bearings on the hard drive? I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Aug 25 18:22:02 2008 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:22:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808251007k65a4683nde850493c4453e82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C53FB69B89247339B6416B2767CE43B@KathrynVista> I have a notebook (only), using it like a desktop in that I have external monitor, mouse, keyboard, two external hard drives, printer, scanner, and I've probably left something out. I turn it off overnight but otherwise it's on from first thing in am to when I go to bed. It's not the power that makes me turn it off, it's that I figure the ram can use the refresh of starting from scratch. The only other time I turn it off (besides when taking it someplace) is when things get sluggish and I restart for the same reason. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: 25 Aug 2008 10:07 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook > > I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. > It's using the > power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down > side to this? will > the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a > notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Tue Aug 26 04:24:30 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:24:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <001401c90708$16a4ed50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: The net rate in my case is $.18 per kwh. But with all taxes, base fees, investment charge for green energy it adds up to $.25 per kwh. This is the average for a yearly usage of 7100 kwh. So it is almost the same as you pay. Your $15/mo/computer equals to app 270 watts (8 hrs per day at $ .23) which is not a portable but a desktop PC with all peripherals attached. Its app the same I have with my setup. In my setup I use a 10-outlet with surge protection and a master/slave function. When the PC connected as a master is shut down then all other outlets (slaves, with the screen, printers, external disks etc) are also automatically shut down. Every evening I put the PC in hibernation mode. This shuts down the PC and with the master/slave setup all connected I/O's and has an acceptable start up time. Hibernation has the advantage above the STANDBY mode that the PC is really shut off and you don't loose the data in memory in case of a short power drop. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. August 2008 01:13 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I haven't looked at our rates for a while but the last time I looked it was about $.23 per kwh. How does that compare with yours? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook $15/mo/computer seams to be pretty high. But I don't know your electric rates, what is it per Kilowatt-Hour (kWhr). The ongoing heat might depending on the design degrade the plastic parts. It is actually the inrush current that kills the most electronic parts during power on. The bearings of the hard drives shouldn't represent a problem it is a more likely problem that the read/write heads stick to the disk during power off which get damaged during power on. I have 5 desktop PC's running at my friends company for over 11 years 24/7/365 without any problems. I bet you, that if they would have switched them of every day they all would have gone broke for one or the other reason mostly for electronic failure due to the inrush current. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 23:45 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is the most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on the bearings on the hard drive? I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 04:43:30 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:43:30 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: References: <001401c90708$16a4ed50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808260243j5c437508kd6f7baf2fa4ebb6f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I always wondered what hibernation mode meant. Now I know. A. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > The net rate in my case is $.18 per kwh. But with all taxes, base fees, > investment charge for green energy it adds up to $.25 per kwh. This is the > average for a yearly usage of 7100 kwh. So it is almost the same as you > pay. > Your $15/mo/computer equals to app 270 watts (8 hrs per day at $ .23) which > is not a portable but a desktop PC with all peripherals attached. Its app > the same I have with my setup. In my setup I use a 10-outlet with surge > protection and a master/slave function. When the PC connected as a master > is > shut down then all other outlets (slaves, with the screen, printers, > external disks etc) are also automatically shut down. Every evening I put > the PC in hibernation mode. This shuts down the PC and with the > master/slave > setup all connected I/O's and has an acceptable start up time. Hibernation > has the advantage above the STANDBY mode that the PC is really shut off and > you don't loose the data in memory in case of a short power drop. > > Helmut > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 26 07:40:15 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:40:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: References: <001401c90708$16a4ed50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <00a801c90778$e40ac1f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Yes, I was referring to desktops. I have 2 of them running while I'm working. My wife has one going and each of the boys - so we could have 5 desktops running 24/7 which begins to add up to a lot of power. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook The net rate in my case is $.18 per kwh. But with all taxes, base fees, investment charge for green energy it adds up to $.25 per kwh. This is the average for a yearly usage of 7100 kwh. So it is almost the same as you pay. Your $15/mo/computer equals to app 270 watts (8 hrs per day at $ .23) which is not a portable but a desktop PC with all peripherals attached. Its app the same I have with my setup. In my setup I use a 10-outlet with surge protection and a master/slave function. When the PC connected as a master is shut down then all other outlets (slaves, with the screen, printers, external disks etc) are also automatically shut down. Every evening I put the PC in hibernation mode. This shuts down the PC and with the master/slave setup all connected I/O's and has an acceptable start up time. Hibernation has the advantage above the STANDBY mode that the PC is really shut off and you don't loose the data in memory in case of a short power drop. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. August 2008 01:13 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I haven't looked at our rates for a while but the last time I looked it was about $.23 per kwh. How does that compare with yours? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook $15/mo/computer seams to be pretty high. But I don't know your electric rates, what is it per Kilowatt-Hour (kWhr). The ongoing heat might depending on the design degrade the plastic parts. It is actually the inrush current that kills the most electronic parts during power on. The bearings of the hard drives shouldn't represent a problem it is a more likely problem that the read/write heads stick to the disk during power off which get damaged during power on. I have 5 desktop PC's running at my friends company for over 11 years 24/7/365 without any problems. I bet you, that if they would have switched them of every day they all would have gone broke for one or the other reason mostly for electronic failure due to the inrush current. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 23:45 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is the most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on the bearings on the hard drive? I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? will the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Aug 26 10:45:39 2008 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:45:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook References: Message-ID: <023628D863754A3983926AAF963AF0FA@s1800> Helmut, I do have a different opinion based on my experience and MTBF data. - as for the HDs, you can expect 3 to 5 years with 24/7 usage. then they start to fail. your friend may just have been lucky. And I believe today its the bearings that fail first, provided you have your power filtered. - Integrated Circuits can fail among others for electromigration, i.e., Aluminum atoms are transported by current flow, which decreases the width of the conductor until it fails (open). Electromigration increases with current and temperature. Since laptops usually get pretty warm, this is a critical point. - cooling fans in my experience fail after 3 to 4 years when run under 24/7 conditions. I did run my PCs (desktop) 24/7 and did have failures every 3 to 4 years. Now I turn them off over night and have no failures since about 6 years. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook > $15/mo/computer seams to be pretty high. But I don't know your electric > rates, what is it per Kilowatt-Hour (kWhr). The ongoing heat might > depending > on the design degrade the plastic parts. It is actually the inrush current > that kills the most electronic parts during power on. The bearings of the > hard drives shouldn't represent a problem it is a more likely problem that > the read/write heads stick to the disk during power off which get damaged > during power on. I have 5 desktop PC's running at my friends company for > over 11 years 24/7/365 without any problems. I bet you, that if they would > have switched them of every day they all would have gone broke for one or > the other reason mostly for electronic failure due to the inrush current. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky > Smolin at Beach Access Software > Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2008 23:45 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook > > > Perennial question - is most of the wear on your machine due to the heat > that degrades the components over time until one of them fails? Or is > the > most wear due to the surge of power when you turn it on and the stress on > the bearings on the hard drive? > > I turn off my computers at night (actually go to standby so they start > faster). I once figured it saved about $15/mo/computer to turn them off a > night but San Diego has pretty high electric rates. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:07 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook > > I've grown into the habit of leaving my notebook on 24/7. It's using the > power supply, of course, not the battery. Is there a down side to this? > will > the machine wear out more quickly because of this? Even though it's a > notebook, I rarely move it, so I just leave it running. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1634 - Release Date: 25.08.2008 > 20:48 > > > From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 26 11:12:58 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:12:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook In-Reply-To: <023628D863754A3983926AAF963AF0FA@s1800> References: <023628D863754A3983926AAF963AF0FA@s1800> Message-ID: <019a01c90796$9bc88b70$d359a250$@net> I agree that home users and 8/5 businesses should be turning computers off at night or simply enabling hibernation and setting the Energy Star settings (Screen Saver dialog for Windows) to turn off the monitor, hard drive and then hibernate after the appropriate amount of time for their particular needs. I generally do 30, 30, and 60 minutes. Note that on some computer models the hibernation feature causes some problems. In lieu of hibernation, which just allows the computer to start faster and reload what you were last doing, I recommend setting the power button to "shutdown when pressed" or for laptops "shutdown when closed". That does the same thing as clicking Start | Shutdown | Shutdown but is just more convenient. No shortcuts keys to remember and you can do it while walking by the computer without having to find the mouse and click and such. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:46 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Always On Notebook Helmut, I do have a different opinion based on my experience and MTBF data. - as for the HDs, you can expect 3 to 5 years with 24/7 usage. then they start to fail. your friend may just have been lucky. And I believe today its the bearings that fail first, provided you have your power filtered. - Integrated Circuits can fail among others for electromigration, i.e., Aluminum atoms are transported by current flow, which decreases the width of the conductor until it fails (open). Electromigration increases with current and temperature. Since laptops usually get pretty warm, this is a critical point. - cooling fans in my experience fail after 3 to 4 years when run under 24/7 conditions. I did run my PCs (desktop) 24/7 and did have failures every 3 to 4 years. Now I turn them off over night and have no failures since about 6 years. Lembit rs.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 16:29:57 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint question from a reader Message-ID: <01d001c907c2$e479b0c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> This one sounds familiar... Susan, when I am in a slide show and right click, arrow is one of the tools available, but I can't get it to work. What am I doing wrong? I choose *Visible* and I've made sure the color is visible in my background, I left click, hold down the mouse and release and it generally exits the presentation. Can you please help me? From James at fcidms.com Thu Aug 28 10:11:21 2008 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacement Hard Drive for Raid 5 Array In-Reply-To: <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <009301c90920$550cb770$680101c0@fci.local> One of the drives in a 3 drive Raid 5 Array on our server died overnight. Fortunately, we have a spare which is being rebuilt as I write. I went looking for a replacement for the spare, since this is the second drive to fail, and discovered that the same drive is no longer available: 73GB, 10K RPM, 80-pin SCSI U320. What we can get is the same drive at 15K RPM. Other than spindle speed, the specs are the same. My question is, will there be a problem running drives with different RPMs in the same array? Thanks, James Barash From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 28 10:20:20 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:20:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? Message-ID: <48B6C234.3050205@torchlake.com> Hi, I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and displays the message screen that the system has been successfully recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, oddly enough it was checking disk D: In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion of a system alive for looking around in that machine? Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little laptop. TIA for any advice. Tina From hkotsch at arcor.de Thu Aug 28 10:58:31 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:58:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? In-Reply-To: <48B6C234.3050205@torchlake.com> Message-ID: You should google for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free downloadable CD-images that containing a lot of useful utilities. Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris Fields Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. August 2008 17:20 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? Hi, I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and displays the message screen that the system has been successfully recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, oddly enough it was checking disk D: In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion of a system alive for looking around in that machine? Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little laptop. TIA for any advice. Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fahooper1 at cox.net Thu Aug 28 11:02:14 2008 From: fahooper1 at cox.net (Fred Hooper) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? In-Reply-To: <48B6C234.3050205@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <39534FED213A4BAB9C87FB6D5BFD378C@FRED6998B25045> BartPE (http://nu2.nu/pebuilder/) will prepare a bootable CD for starting XP. However, I'd try SpinRite (http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm) first as the best way to fix the disk errors. If the MBR has been destroyed it, at least, will make a file recovery program more effective. Good luck, Fred -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? Hi, I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and displays the message screen that the system has been successfully recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, oddly enough it was checking disk D: In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion of a system alive for looking around in that machine? Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little laptop. TIA for any advice. Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:43:32 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:43:32 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacement Hard Drive for Raid 5 Array In-Reply-To: <009301c90920$550cb770$680101c0@fci.local> References: <48AC9FAB.25471.2E2D6DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <009301c90920$550cb770$680101c0@fci.local> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808281143t59d44885t7fed4858b8b754d@mail.gmail.com> It depends most on what RAID driver you have. With something like HP for example, you will have no problem. Some of the cheaper drivers, not so lucky. What will happen, however, is that the 15k RPM drive will only run at 10k. hth, Arthur On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM, James Barash wrote: > One of the drives in a 3 drive Raid 5 Array on our server died overnight. > Fortunately, we have a spare which is being rebuilt as I write. I went > looking for a replacement for the spare, since this is the second drive to > fail, and discovered that the same drive is no longer available: 73GB, 10K > RPM, 80-pin SCSI U320. > What we can get is the same drive at 15K RPM. Other than spindle speed, the > specs are the same. > > My question is, will there be a problem running drives with different RPMs > in the same array? > > Thanks, > James Barash > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:53:20 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:53:20 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? In-Reply-To: <39534FED213A4BAB9C87FB6D5BFD378C@FRED6998B25045> References: <48B6C234.3050205@torchlake.com> <39534FED213A4BAB9C87FB6D5BFD378C@FRED6998B25045> Message-ID: <29f585dd0808281153x76115becy1b8acdf8c0a07486@mail.gmail.com> There is also an article on TechRepublic that gives instructions how to create a bootable XP memory stick, if that is useful to you. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? Hi, I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and displays the message screen that the system has been successfully recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, oddly enough it was checking disk D: In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion of a system alive for looking around in that machine? Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little laptop. TIA for any advice. Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From James at fcidms.com Thu Aug 28 14:56:12 2008 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:56:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacement Hard Drive for Raid 5 Array In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808281143t59d44885t7fed4858b8b754d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101c90948$1f96ed90$680101c0@fci.local> Thanks Arthur. It's a Dell so I'm hoping it will be fine. I'm not so much worried about speed, I just want to make sure we can keep the server running in case something happens. James -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Replacement Hard Drive for Raid 5 Array It depends most on what RAID driver you have. With something like HP for example, you will have no problem. Some of the cheaper drivers, not so lucky. What will happen, however, is that the 15k RPM drive will only run at 10k. hth, Arthur On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM, James Barash wrote: > One of the drives in a 3 drive Raid 5 Array on our server died overnight. > Fortunately, we have a spare which is being rebuilt as I write. I went > looking for a replacement for the spare, since this is the second drive to > fail, and discovered that the same drive is no longer available: 73GB, 10K > RPM, 80-pin SCSI U320. > What we can get is the same drive at 15K RPM. Other than spindle speed, the > specs are the same. > > My question is, will there be a problem running drives with different RPMs > in the same array? > > Thanks, > James Barash > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 28 14:57:31 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:57:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B7032B.3060001@torchlake.com> Helmut, Vielen Dank! I am downloading the Ultimate Boot CD now. You are not going to believe what I found out, though. The problem of Gateway freezing during a system recovery turns out to be a know difficulty with the Intel SpeedStep. This must be disabled in the BIOS before a successful system recovery can be accomplished. Here are the step-by-step instructions from Gateway: 1. Turn on the computer and begin pressing the F2 key in one-second intervals. If you perform this step correctly, you see the BIOS Setup Utility menu. If Windows loads normally, repeat this step. 2. In the BIOS Setup Utility, press the RIGHT ARROW key to select the Advanced menu. 3. On the Advanced menu, change the Intel SpeedStep setting from Enabled to Disabled. 4. Press the RIGHT ARROW key to select the Exit menu. 5. On the Exit menu, select Save Changes and Exit 6. Restart the computer and run System Restore. 7. After completing the recovery, download and install the Critical Update for Windows XP (KB885626) package from the Microsoft Web site. 8. Once the KB885626 package is installed, re-enable Intel SpeedStep in the BIOS Setup Utility. Once I disabled SpeedStep, I was able to carry out the complete system recovery, putting the little computer back to its fresh-from-the-factory status. Is this not amazing? Furthermore, I believe I now know what really happened. My guess is that when the owner's sister booted the computer and saw the message "Press F11 for system recovery" which is presented for a couple of seconds, she did. She pressed F11, thinking she was being instructed to, not recognizing the message as meaning "if you need to run system recovery press F11." Then, because of the SpeedStep issue, which hangs the computer during setup, from then on the computer didn't work. If I had known about this SpeedStep issue, my job would have been a great deal easier and shorter. Disable SpeedStep in the BIOS, then run System Recovery. Done! Thought I would share my findings with all my colleagues. Thanks again to both you and Fred who responded, Tina Helmut Kotsch wrote: > You should google for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large > selection of free downloadable CD-images that containing a lot of useful > utilities. Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's > available. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris > Fields > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. August 2008 17:20 > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Betreff: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? > > > Hi, > > I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no > longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of > its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster > Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then > nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. > > When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the > same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response > to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power > off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and > displays the message screen that the system has been successfully > recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup > with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to > Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. > > Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and > starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process > anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the > process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing > devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if > it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final > tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar > and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may > have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, > oddly enough it was checking disk D: > > In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making > sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and > restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This > resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. > Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], > Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], > 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. > > I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I > thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP > startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how > to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion > of a system alive for looking around in that machine? > > Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her > original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I > consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if > it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and > whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little > laptop. > > TIA for any advice. > > Tina > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 28 15:04:31 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:04:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808281153x76115becy1b8acdf8c0a07486@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B6C234.3050205@torchlake.com><39534FED213A4BAB9C87FB6D5BFD378C@FRED6998B25045> <29f585dd0808281153x76115becy1b8acdf8c0a07486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B704CF.1060403@torchlake.com> Thanks Arthur, I will check into that, too. BTW, see my response to Helmut for the full story. I learned there is a known issue with Intel SpeedStep - which causes Setup to hang!!!!! Stay safe - I hope the tropical storms are not too rough on you. Tina Arthur Fuller wrote: > There is also an article on TechRepublic that gives instructions how to > create a bootable XP memory stick, if that is useful to you. > > Arthur > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Bootable CD for WinXP? > > Hi, > > I'm trying to bring back to life a little Gateway laptop that somehow no > longer boots to Windows XP. Here's what little I know of the history of > its going bad: It was last used to play a game called Roller Coaster > Tycoon (which had been played on that machine many times before), then > nobody used it for about a week. At that time it would no longer boot. > > When I got a look at it, it was trying to run setup, and hung at the > same spot every time the machine was powered on. Absolutely no response > to anything. The only way to get out of the frozen screen was to power > off. So, I tried the system recovery trick. The recovery runs and > displays the message screen that the system has been successfully > recovered. WinXP appears to try to start, then switches to WinXP Setup > with "please wait" and the hourglass, and hangs there. Tried booting to > Safe Mode, got the message that Setup cannot run in Safe Mode. > > Tried the full system recovery, the one that scratches everything and > starts over. Again, appeared to fully recover, began the setup process > anew. I did all this about nine times. There were two places the > process was likely to hang - 1) at the point where Setup is installing > devices, would get about halfway along the progress bar and hang - 2) if > it made it through the installing of devices, it got to performing final > tasks Register Components, about a third of the way on the progress bar > and hang. A couple of times, it did the "one or more of your disks may > have errors on it" and checked for errors, never finding any. But, > oddly enough it was checking disk D: > > In desperation, I took my bootable Win98 install disk and - after making > sure the boot sequence would check the CD first - put it in and > restarted the computer, thinking I could at least install Win98. This > resulted ultimately in the message that there was no hard disk present. > Looking in the BIOS, under the Standard tab I find Pri Master [IDE HDD], > Sec Master [CD/DVD], under the Boot tab I find 1st Boot Device [CD/DVD], > 2nd Boot Device [FDD], and 3rd Boot Device [IDE HDD]. > > I have an emergency WinXP startup floppy diskette for my machine, so I > thought maybe I could copy it onto a CD and have an emergency WinXP > startup CD. But, that does not seem to work. Can anybody tell me how > to make a bootable (not Autorun) CD so I can at least have some portion > of a system alive for looking around in that machine? > > Oh, of course, before you ask - no she does not have any idea where her > original disks are that came with the machine. Of course not. As I > consider the life this little machine has had, I can't help wondering if > it's been dropped or something and the C: drive MBR is destroyed - and > whether there's any point in trying anything more with this poor little > laptop. > > TIA for any advice. > > Tina > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 16:08:57 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:08:57 -0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloads location in IE7 Message-ID: <29f585dd0808281408r73f3c1e1kc3d941d1bba541b6@mail.gmail.com> I recently bought an external hard disk for my notebook computer and now I want to change the default folder into which my downloads go. I regularly use both FF and IE7. I have made the change in FF but I can't locate it in IE7. TIA, Arthur From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 28 16:50:52 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:50:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloads location in IE7 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0808281408r73f3c1e1kc3d941d1bba541b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0808281408r73f3c1e1kc3d941d1bba541b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101c90958$244bf6e0$6ce3e4a0$@net> Hi Arthur, Try this: http://www.ie7pro.com/ John B. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 08:43:40 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:43:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint Message-ID: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Do the Save As options in Paint (24-bit, etc.) determine an image file's size and if so, what would be the recommended setting to produce web-ready files? Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 31 10:45:14 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:45:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <6AF855E73906454FAD38D733C0B7200C@creativesystemdesigns.com> As the speed of the web keeps increasing the picture size keeps increasing. It is not whether a picture is 24 bit but the actaul size of the picture (in kilobytes) and the dpi of the picture. A rule of thumb I use for use for medium sized pictures is 50k and all pictures do not exceed 72 dpi. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:44 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint Do the Save As options in Paint (24-bit, etc.) determine an image file's size and if so, what would be the recommended setting to produce web-ready files? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Aug 31 11:59:55 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:59:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <48BACE0B.5010402@torchlake.com> Yes, the sizes will vary quite a bit, depending on which format you choose to save in - as will the image quality. The 24-bit image is going to be a bunch bigger than a jpg. If you go to save a color Paint image as a gif, you'll get a warning about possible loss of quality. My experience has been that the 24-bit bmp will be about 10 times the size of the jpg. The old rule of thumb limited total web-page size to something like 250K (I think), for quick loading. For a page full of pictures, make small thumbnails of them and link them to pages containing larger versions of the pictures. But, as Jim has pointed out, speed of transmission has increased exponentially in the last few years, so the concern is fading. Of course, there are still quite a few people who don't have high-speed broadband access to the web, and for them it's still an issue. Hope this is helpful, Tina Susan Harkins wrote: > Do the Save As options in Paint (24-bit, etc.) determine an image file's size and if so, what would be the recommended setting to produce web-ready files? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 12:40:29 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:40:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <6AF855E73906454FAD38D733C0B7200C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Well, MS Paint doesn't let you have that much control. I've been using MS Picture It to reduce figures to "web-ready," which I think means 72 dpi, but I haven't checked Help to confirm that. Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? Susan H. > As the speed of the web keeps increasing the picture size keeps > increasing. > It is not whether a picture is 24 bit but the actaul size of the picture > (in > kilobytes) and the dpi of the picture. A rule of thumb I use for use for > medium sized pictures is 50k and all pictures do not exceed 72 dpi. From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Aug 31 13:14:29 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:14:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint Message-ID: Hi Susan Indeed: http://www.irfanview.com/ /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 31-08-2008 19:40 >>> Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 31 13:36:42 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:36:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <6AF855E73906454FAD38D733C0B7200C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <6B3DBFC1A3A241AAA5B5DC2510196B5A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: There is a full feature image editing tool, with everything you want which you can download for free call GIMP... an excellent product considering the price: http://www.gimp.org/windows/ Full documentation as well. (A donation is always welcome... I usually anti-up $25.00 for each install) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:40 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Paint Well, MS Paint doesn't let you have that much control. I've been using MS Picture It to reduce figures to "web-ready," which I think means 72 dpi, but I haven't checked Help to confirm that. Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? Susan H. > As the speed of the web keeps increasing the picture size keeps > increasing. > It is not whether a picture is 24 bit but the actaul size of the picture > (in > kilobytes) and the dpi of the picture. A rule of thumb I use for use for > medium sized pictures is 50k and all pictures do not exceed 72 dpi. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Aug 31 14:52:21 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:52:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne><6AF855E73906454FAD38D733C0B7200C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Hi Susan, Paint.NET is a nice choice (free). http://www.getpaint.net/ Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Paint Well, MS Paint doesn't let you have that much control. I've been using MS Picture It to reduce figures to "web-ready," which I think means 72 dpi, but I haven't checked Help to confirm that. Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? Susan H. > As the speed of the web keeps increasing the picture size keeps > increasing. > It is not whether a picture is 24 bit but the actaul size of the picture > (in > kilobytes) and the dpi of the picture. A rule of thumb I use for use for > medium sized pictures is 50k and all pictures do not exceed 72 dpi. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 31 17:34:56 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:34:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BB1C90.2989.66C55C78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I second that. Brilliant piece of software - I use it all the time for screen capture, annotation, cropping/re-sizing and changing the format of images. I couldn't live without it. On 31 Aug 2008 at 20:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Susan > > Indeed: > > http://www.irfanview.com/ > > /gustav > > >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 31-08-2008 19:40 >>> > > Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Stuart Mclachlan From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Aug 31 17:45:32 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:45:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: References: <057801c90b6f$95d57700$2f8601c7@SusanOne><6AF855E73906454FAD38D733C0B7200C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <05cc01c90b90$ac2a76b0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <48BB1F0C.2040706@earthlink.net> The Gimp is my favourite pic massager. Open source, excellent. P. Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Susan, > > Paint.NET is a nice choice (free). http://www.getpaint.net/ > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Paint > > Well, MS Paint doesn't let you have that much control. I've been using MS > Picture It to reduce figures to "web-ready," which I think means 72 dpi, but > > I haven't checked Help to confirm that. > > Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you > reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? > > Susan H. > > >> As the speed of the web keeps increasing the picture size keeps >> increasing. >> It is not whether a picture is 24 bit but the actaul size of the picture >> (in >> kilobytes) and the dpi of the picture. A rule of thumb I use for use for >> medium sized pictures is 50k and all pictures do not exceed 72 dpi. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 19:07:54 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:07:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Paint In-Reply-To: <48BB1C90.2989.66C55C78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <48BB1C90.2989.66C55C78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I use irfanview too. GK On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I second that. Brilliant piece of software - I use it all the time for screen capture, > annotation, cropping/re-sizing and changing the format of images. I couldn't live without it. > > > > On 31 Aug 2008 at 20:14, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Indeed: >> >> http://www.irfanview.com/ >> >> /gustav >> >> >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 31-08-2008 19:40 >>> >> >> Is there a free or inexpensive product that both shots figures and lets you reduce them to 72 dpi or 40 to 50 k? >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > Stuart Mclachlan > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com