From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 1 00:56:53 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:56:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] doc sharing software - recommended tool? Message-ID: Hi Kath 1. Google Docs, though I'm not sure about the check-in/check-out requirement. Also, "version control" is simple: Manual, and latest version is on-line. 2. (Microsoft Office) Groove 2007. If you decide for a tool, please tell us. /gustav >>> kpelletti at chubb.com 01-12-2008 05:00 >>> Hi everybody - I have temporarily re-subscribed (new job going well) so I can ask you all if you have a tip on this...... I am looking for some (preferably freeware) software to allow users in my dept and in Singapore to share some requirement docs. At the moment multiple stakeholders are all making changes to the one requirements doc across the network and that could go pear shaped pretty quickly. Features I need are: - Checkin/out (only one editable version at one time) - Version control We already share docs across the network but need a tool to provide some level of control. TIA Kath Kath Pelletti | Business Analyst | From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Dec 1 06:02:02 2008 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:02:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up Message-ID: I've been looking at the EPA EZ GPO (a Group Policy Object written for the US EPA to enable power savings on XP/2000 PCs ()) , and I've finally got it working. But I've just found out that the updated Vista Client Policies for XP include this functionality and more. With these tools in place, you can tell lots of PCs to turn off their monitors after a set period of inactivity, and even to hibernate or standby after a longer time, should you wish. This will obviously save money and energy, and I thought I'd let you all know about it, so you can claim brownie points from your respective bosses when you suggest it. Any donations can be made to my bank account :-P Jon Jon Tydda MCP IT Support Analyst Lonza Biologics PLC 228 Bath Road Slough Berkshire SL1 4DX UK Registered Number: 2742471 Tel: +44 (0) 1753 777077 Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001 mailto:jon.tydda at lonza.com http://www.lonza.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From kpelletti at chubb.com Mon Dec 1 17:38:04 2008 From: kpelletti at chubb.com (kpelletti at chubb.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:38:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] doc sharing software - recommended tool? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Gustav. Unfortunately Google docs not an option as documents are not allowed to be uploaded outside our network (makes sense). I think Sharepoint may be the answer but as we are still on Office version 2002 I don't know that Sharepoint will be compatible. kath dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com wrote on 01/12/2008 05:56:53 PM: > Hi Kath > > 1. Google Docs, though I'm not sure about the check-in/check-out > requirement. Also, "version control" is simple: Manual, and latest > version is on-line. > > 2. (Microsoft Office) Groove 2007. > > If you decide for a tool, please tell us. > > /gustav > > >>> kpelletti at chubb.com 01-12-2008 05:00 >>> > Hi everybody - I have temporarily re-subscribed (new job going well) so I > can ask you all if you have a tip on this...... > I am looking for some (preferably freeware) software to allow users in my > dept and in Singapore to share some requirement docs. At the moment > multiple stakeholders are all making changes to the one requirements doc > across the network and that could go pear shaped pretty quickly. > > Features I need are: > > - Checkin/out (only one editable version at one time) > - Version control > > We already share docs across the network but need a tool to provide some > level of control. > TIA > > Kath > Kath Pelletti | Business Analyst | > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 17:46:10 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:46:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] doc sharing software - recommended tool? References: Message-ID: <0b7f01c9540e$fe6c1020$2f8601c7@SusanOne> You need to talk to Martin -- he's the Sharepoint God... :) Susan H. > Thanks Gustav. Unfortunately Google docs not an option as documents are > not allowed to be uploaded outside our network (makes sense). I think > Sharepoint may be the answer but as we are still on Office version 2002 I > don't know that Sharepoint will be compatible. > From john at winhaven.net Tue Dec 2 09:19:31 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:19:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint and Exchange/Outlook Message-ID: <066401c95491$60346f50$209d4df0$@net> What does Sharepoint offer as added functionality to the Exchange/Outlook users? John B. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 09:21:47 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:21:47 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint and Exchange/Outlook In-Reply-To: <066401c95491$60346f50$209d4df0$@net> References: <066401c95491$60346f50$209d4df0$@net> Message-ID: Document Library Records Management Security Access to databases Linking calendars to Outlook Offline access to documents RSS feeds to from corp. documents Excel in the Browser Custom Lists Contact Lists Lots of stuff. had you anything particualr in mind? Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow [john at winhaven.net] Sent: 02 December 2008 15:19 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint and Exchange/Outlook What does Sharepoint offer as added functionality to the Exchange/Outlook users? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Dec 2 12:11:49 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:11:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SharePoint and Exchange/Outlook In-Reply-To: References: <066401c95491$60346f50$209d4df0$@net> Message-ID: <06d601c954a9$724831f0$56d895d0$@net> Concerning contact lists: What's different/better/beneficial when adding SharePoint versus just using Exchange's public contact lists via Outlook? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint and Exchange/Outlook Document Library Records Management Security Access to databases Linking calendars to Outlook Offline access to documents RSS feeds to from corp. documents Excel in the Browser Custom Lists Contact Lists Lots of stuff. had you anything particualr in mind? Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow [john at winhaven.net] Sent: 02 December 2008 15:19 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharepoint and Exchange/Outlook What does Sharepoint offer as added functionality to the Exchange/Outlook users? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Dec 2 13:54:41 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:54:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML Virtual tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: I have been using Google Chrome for the last little while and have been using a great little HTML feature. If you want to see it in action, stert up Chrome and link: http://www.mountaindragon.com/html/virtualwrap.htm Unfortunately, this Virtual feature does not work in either of the current versions of FF or IE. I have seen this CSS work around but it is not the same as it does not have the nice visuals: Or a nasty JavaScript function call work-around: function setWrap(area, wrap) { if (area.wrap) { area.wrap= wrap; } else { // wrap attribute not supported - try Mozilla workaround area.setAttribute('wrap', wrap); var newarea= area.cloneNode(true); newarea.value= area.value; area.parentNode.replaceChild(newarea, area); } } Are there any better work-arounds out there? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Dec 4 12:32:42 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:32:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 In-Reply-To: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <0E146F228E6844F3A0FE366A8C96A14A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi all: I am having difficulties setting up a new MS Server 2008 so it will accept remote administrator connection. This is the first server that I have experienced this issue with. The other servers, on this site are a mix of various Linux and Microsoft servers (2003). The Active-directory and primary server is one of the MS 2003 servers and the new 2008 server is incorporated into the tree with all the standard set of rights. When attempting to login to the 2008 server, it goes so far as to display the message 'logging in...' and 'loading user profile...' before displaying the message 'The Local Session Manager service failed the login...' Any one have experince with this situation? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Dec 4 12:45:53 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:45:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans In-Reply-To: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <2F0EEA0D110847C3890CF19C42DF2AE6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: A new final release of Python 3.0, ready for production as of 03 December 2008: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ and http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html There is a lot more standardization through out the product. Brackets for all functions are required and some of the weird double brackets for some functions have been removed. A number of functions that were duplicated have been removed and many built in functions have been renamed to standardize. It should be a lot cleaner to code in this release but it is not all backward compatible. Jim From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Dec 4 14:37:46 2008 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:37:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans In-Reply-To: <2F0EEA0D110847C3890CF19C42DF2AE6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well that's a disappointment Jim. I opened this thinking you had written about the dead parrot sketch or perhaps Life Of Brian :-( Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 04 December 2008 18:46 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans Hi All: A new final release of Python 3.0, ready for production as of 03 December 2008: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ and http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html There is a lot more standardization through out the product. Brackets for all functions are required and some of the weird double brackets for some functions have been removed. A number of functions that were duplicated have been removed and many built in functions have been renamed to standardize. It should be a lot cleaner to code in this release but it is not all backward compatible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 19:55:06 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:55:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans In-Reply-To: <2F0EEA0D110847C3890CF19C42DF2AE6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3B29DD1E281948B1BE702E37F4706E6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <2F0EEA0D110847C3890CF19C42DF2AE6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0812041755t6b2705a4p5e69ea5696736f2d@mail.gmail.com> I'm a huge fan of Python, and am pleased to learn that 3.0 is finally here. I haven't written anything in Python for money yet, but I'm hoping to. I love this language! A. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > A new final release of Python 3.0, ready for production as of 03 December > 2008: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ and > http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html > > There is a lot more standardization through out the product. Brackets for > all functions are required and some of the weird double brackets for some > functions have been removed. A number of functions that were duplicated > have > been removed and many built in functions have been renamed to standardize. > It should be a lot cleaner to code in this release but it is not all > backward compatible. > > Jim > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 20:23:24 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:23:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A few positions open Message-ID: <012701c95680$75be05c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> If you or someone you know fills the bill, please send me a resume privately -- ssharkins at gmail.com. Thanks! Susan H. Web Portal Developer (J2EE/XML ) - Roseville, CA - $80k+ IT Project Manager (5+ years experience)- Rancho Cordova, CA - $75-85k+ ColdFusion Developer (5+ years experience) - Rocklin, CA - OPEN - 1-2 month assignment - starts 12/8 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 5 07:14:46 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:14:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Message-ID: Hi Jim Could it be (I asked my colleague who guesses) that you have and use an Administrator account in AD, while no Administrator account exists in MS Server 2008 (which it by default does not)? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-12-2008 19:32 >>> Hi all: I am having difficulties setting up a new MS Server 2008 so it will accept remote administrator connection. This is the first server that I have experienced this issue with. The other servers, on this site are a mix of various Linux and Microsoft servers (2003). The Active-directory and primary server is one of the MS 2003 servers and the new 2008 server is incorporated into the tree with all the standard set of rights. When attempting to login to the 2008 server, it goes so far as to display the message 'logging in...' and 'loading user profile...' before displaying the message 'The Local Session Manager service failed the login...' Any one have experince with this situation? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 5 15:13:25 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:13:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans In-Reply-To: References: <2F0EEA0D110847C3890CF19C42DF2AE6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Andy, Ha ha ha.... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Python fans Well that's a disappointment Jim. I opened this thinking you had written about the dead parrot sketch or perhaps Life Of Brian :-( Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 04 December 2008 18:46 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Python fans Hi All: A new final release of Python 3.0, ready for production as of 03 December 2008: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ and http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html There is a lot more standardization through out the product. Brackets for all functions are required and some of the weird double brackets for some functions have been removed. A number of functions that were duplicated have been removed and many built in functions have been renamed to standardize. It should be a lot cleaner to code in this release but it is not all backward compatible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 5 15:18:44 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:18:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav: That is a good assumption. Actually, I have one master/administrator/installer account on the Server2008 but all the other accounts have been made in AD, on the primary server. Making accounts on the Server2008... is that what is needed? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Hi Jim Could it be (I asked my colleague who guesses) that you have and use an Administrator account in AD, while no Administrator account exists in MS Server 2008 (which it by default does not)? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-12-2008 19:32 >>> Hi all: I am having difficulties setting up a new MS Server 2008 so it will accept remote administrator connection. This is the first server that I have experienced this issue with. The other servers, on this site are a mix of various Linux and Microsoft servers (2003). The Active-directory and primary server is one of the MS 2003 servers and the new 2008 server is incorporated into the tree with all the standard set of rights. When attempting to login to the 2008 server, it goes so far as to display the message 'logging in...' and 'loading user profile...' before displaying the message 'The Local Session Manager service failed the login...' Any one have experince with this situation? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 5 15:57:21 2008 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:57:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Message-ID: Hi Jim Sorry, but I have no idea how to solve the issue - we only run it in a virtual machine for testing - but this page may provide some info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc194387.aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 05-12-2008 22:18 >>> Hi Gustav: That is a good assumption. Actually, I have one master/administrator/installer account on the Server2008 but all the other accounts have been made in AD, on the primary server. Making accounts on the Server2008... is that what is needed? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Hi Jim Could it be (I asked my colleague who guesses) that you have and use an Administrator account in AD, while no Administrator account exists in MS Server 2008 (which it by default does not)? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-12-2008 19:32 >>> Hi all: I am having difficulties setting up a new MS Server 2008 so it will accept remote administrator connection. This is the first server that I have experienced this issue with. The other servers, on this site are a mix of various Linux and Microsoft servers (2003). The Active-directory and primary server is one of the MS 2003 servers and the new 2008 server is incorporated into the tree with all the standard set of rights. When attempting to login to the 2008 server, it goes so far as to display the message 'logging in...' and 'loading user profile...' before displaying the message 'The Local Session Manager service failed the login...' Any one have experince with this situation? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 5 16:31:49 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:31:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A262B07473F43378D021FEC8AE450EC@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thanks a lot Gustav: Everything helps as this issue has been going on too long and the new Server2008 OS has so many levels of security, network related hurdles and inter-related technologies... 'We are not working with MS 2000 and more.' Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:57 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Hi Jim Sorry, but I have no idea how to solve the issue - we only run it in a virtual machine for testing - but this page may provide some info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc194387.aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 05-12-2008 22:18 >>> Hi Gustav: That is a good assumption. Actually, I have one master/administrator/installer account on the Server2008 but all the other accounts have been made in AD, on the primary server. Making accounts on the Server2008... is that what is needed? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Hi Jim Could it be (I asked my colleague who guesses) that you have and use an Administrator account in AD, while no Administrator account exists in MS Server 2008 (which it by default does not)? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-12-2008 19:32 >>> Hi all: I am having difficulties setting up a new MS Server 2008 so it will accept remote administrator connection. This is the first server that I have experienced this issue with. The other servers, on this site are a mix of various Linux and Microsoft servers (2003). The Active-directory and primary server is one of the MS 2003 servers and the new 2008 server is incorporated into the tree with all the standard set of rights. When attempting to login to the 2008 server, it goes so far as to display the message 'logging in...' and 'loading user profile...' before displaying the message 'The Local Session Manager service failed the login...' Any one have experince with this situation? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 21:12:02 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:12:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails Message-ID: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Is it possible to tell if two different E-mail accounts are coming from the same computer -- just from their headers? Susan H. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Dec 5 23:12:45 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:12:45 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails In-Reply-To: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <493A966D.30781.4D4AAD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Possibly. It depends on how the originator(s) are set up - if they are using an in-house mail server and/or a router, you may only be able to track it back to the first point at which they hit the internet. Here's the first off your headers: Received: from SusanOne (host-199-001-134-047.dhcp.fewpb.net [199.1.134.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1562508ywl.15.2008.12.05.19.12.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:12:06 -0800 (PST) 199.1.134.47 has been assigned to either your router or your PC by fewpb.net (depending on exactly how you connect to the internet. If the messages in question are coming through a corporate mail server, they may come from different machines on the same Intranet without you being able to tell. A lot depends on what the server is. Email me off-list with further details if you want more assistance with this. -- Stuart On 5 Dec 2008 at 22:12, Susan Harkins wrote: > Is it possible to tell if two different E-mail accounts are coming from the > same computer -- just from their headers? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 09:38:41 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:38:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails References: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <493A966D.30781.4D4AAD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <06f901c957b8$e162fe50$2f8601c7@SusanOne> I'm trying to determine if two e-mail accounts are really the same person. Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails > Possibly. > > It depends on how the originator(s) are set up - if they are using an > in-house mail server > and/or a router, you may only be able to track it back to the first point > at which they hit the > internet. Here's the first off your headers: > > Received: from SusanOne (host-199-001-134-047.dhcp.fewpb.net > [199.1.134.47]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1562508ywl.15.2008.12.05.19.12.05 > (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:12:06 -0800 (PST) > > 199.1.134.47 has been assigned to either your router or your PC by > fewpb.net (depending on > exactly how you connect to the internet. > > If the messages in question are coming through a corporate mail server, > they may come > from different machines on the same Intranet without you being able to > tell. A lot depends on > what the server is. > > Email me off-list with further details if you want more assistance with > this. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 5 Dec 2008 at 22:12, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Is it possible to tell if two different E-mail accounts are coming from >> the >> same computer -- just from their headers? >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Dec 7 13:36:00 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:36:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails In-Reply-To: <493A966D.30781.4D4AAD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <493A966D.30781.4D4AAD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <493C25A0.9020103@earthlink.net> Our TV signal comes from a satellite service with its own digital "tuner". A TV being fed from it is failing. I can't think of a reason I need to buy another TV set. Don't I just need a monitor? PB From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 14:02:42 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:02:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails In-Reply-To: <493C25A0.9020103@earthlink.net> References: <062401c95750$6b5f2ed0$2f8601c7@SusanOne><493A966D.30781.4D4AAD8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <493C25A0.9020103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80D5A88C0075423F90F4769CCA2EADAC@BPCS> Hi Peter, I don't have satellite, but am of the opinion that most TV converters (boxes) convert from the channel you select and feed it out on chan 3 or 4. You can check this be looking to see what chan your bad TV is set to. If this is the case you will need something to tune to that channel, so a monitor by itself would not work. With the TV standard shifting to HDTV, might be a good time to buy a new one anyway. HTH Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] tracing origination of E-mails Our TV signal comes from a satellite service with its own digital "tuner". A TV being fed from it is failing. I can't think of a reason I need to buy another TV set. Don't I just need a monitor? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Dec 8 10:22:46 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:22:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 In-Reply-To: <9A262B07473F43378D021FEC8AE450EC@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <9A262B07473F43378D021FEC8AE450EC@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01c001c95951$34ccf480$9e66dd80$@net> I've been monitoring the list and it appears that Jim, Gustav and a number of others here have been using WinServer 2008 for awhile now. My question is this - if one only uses WinServer for file serving, is there any advantage (or disadvantage) to WS2008 over WS2003? TIA John B From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 10:49:49 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:49:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 Message-ID: Hi John I don't think so. My colleague tells that the main feature of the SBS version of the 2008 is that it is easier and faster to configure than SBS 2003. This includes the remote access to the fileserver which now is a snap to configure. Don't know about the "standard" server. We've just received the latest issue of the Action Pack - filled with Small Business and Essential Business Server 2008 stuff. If you don't subscribe, I can strongly recommend to do so. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 08-12-2008 17:22 >>> I've been monitoring the list and it appears that Jim, Gustav and a number of others here have been using WinServer 2008 for awhile now. My question is this - if one only uses WinServer for file serving, is there any advantage (or disadvantage) to WS2008 over WS2003? TIA John B From john at winhaven.net Mon Dec 8 14:35:02 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:35:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <034c01c95974$72515120$56f3f360$@net> Hi Gustav, Thanks. I have MSDN Universal so I have all of this but am looking for reasons (I haven't considered) to either keep a customer on WS2003 or move to WS2008. Budgets are tight around there right now so if there isn't any compelling reason to do so then I think we'll stick with a simple migration from the old server to the new one with WS2003. Earlier this year I was thinking we go to SBS2008 because I thought we'd be moving their db to SQL server and the 64 bit capabilities would shine. But it appears this won't be happening and the WS2003 would suffice other than its getting old and they had budgeted for this year. Next year that budget item may not be there. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:50 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 Hi John I don't think so. My colleague tells that the main feature of the SBS version of the 2008 is that it is easier and faster to configure than SBS 2003. This includes the remote access to the fileserver which now is a snap to configure. Don't know about the "standard" server. We've just received the latest issue of the Action Pack - filled with Small Business and Essential Business Server 2008 stuff. If you don't subscribe, I can strongly recommend to do so. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 08-12-2008 17:22 >>> I've been monitoring the list and it appears that Jim, Gustav and a number of others here have been using WinServer 2008 for awhile now. My question is this - if one only uses WinServer for file serving, is there any advantage (or disadvantage) to WS2008 over WS2003? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 15:04:23 2008 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:04:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 Message-ID: Hi John For a running instance with no new requirements, we see no reasons to upgrade. Not even if the hardware needs an upgrade; if so we try to move the existing 2003 server to a virtual machine running on the VMware Hypervisor. That does bring some added value to the setup of the client. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 08-12-2008 21:35 >>> Hi Gustav, Thanks. I have MSDN Universal so I have all of this but am looking for reasons (I haven't considered) to either keep a customer on WS2003 or move to WS2008. Budgets are tight around there right now so if there isn't any compelling reason to do so then I think we'll stick with a simple migration from the old server to the new one with WS2003. Earlier this year I was thinking we go to SBS2008 because I thought we'd be moving their db to SQL server and the 64 bit capabilities would shine. But it appears this won't be happening and the WS2003 would suffice other than its getting old and they had budgeted for this year. Next year that budget item may not be there. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:50 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinServer2003 vs. WinServer 2008 Hi John I don't think so. My colleague tells that the main feature of the SBS version of the 2008 is that it is easier and faster to configure than SBS 2003. This includes the remote access to the fileserver which now is a snap to configure. Don't know about the "standard" server. We've just received the latest issue of the Action Pack - filled with Small Business and Essential Business Server 2008 stuff. If you don't subscribe, I can strongly recommend to do so. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 08-12-2008 17:22 >>> I've been monitoring the list and it appears that Jim, Gustav and a number of others here have been using WinServer 2008 for awhile now. My question is this - if one only uses WinServer for file serving, is there any advantage (or disadvantage) to WS2008 over WS2003? TIA John B From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 06:59:30 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:59:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 Message-ID: <29f585dd0812090459o5c7688e9w74d88c2b96afcc4d@mail.gmail.com> The mouse turned 40 years old today. Happy birthday, mouse. Arthur From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us Tue Dec 9 12:52:00 2008 From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:52:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0812090459o5c7688e9w74d88c2b96afcc4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0812090459o5c7688e9w74d88c2b96afcc4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD16779EBE@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> Closer to 80 years old... :-) "The Walt Disney Company gives Mickey's exact birth date as 18 November 1928 -- the release date of Steamboat Willie... According to legend, Disney planned to name the mouse "Mortimer" until his wife suggested the name of Mickey..." PR Phil Rosenkranz?|?Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | ?Yakima County Public Services? Direct?509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 The mouse turned 40 years old today. Happy birthday, mouse. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 12:56:44 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 In-Reply-To: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD16779EBE@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> References: <29f585dd0812090459o5c7688e9w74d88c2b96afcc4d@mail.gmail.com> <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD16779EBE@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> Message-ID: <29f585dd0812091056p35768d0buaba7e526e182d378@mail.gmail.com> I meant the other mouse, silly, and I don't mean Minnie. LOL. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Phil Rosenkranz < phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us> wrote: > Closer to 80 years old... > > :-) > > "The Walt Disney Company gives Mickey's exact birth date as 18 November > 1928 -- the release date of Steamboat Willie... According to legend, Disney > planned to name the mouse "Mortimer" until his wife suggested the name of > Mickey..." > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 9 12:56:58 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:56:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 In-Reply-To: <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD16779EBE@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> References: <29f585dd0812090459o5c7688e9w74d88c2b96afcc4d@mail.gmail.com> <2922DDFA04097D429C8E8E94767BADAD16779EBE@ntx.co.yakima.wa.us> Message-ID: Morty Mouse - I like it. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 Closer to 80 years old... :-) "The Walt Disney Company gives Mickey's exact birth date as 18 November 1928 -- the release date of Steamboat Willie... According to legend, Disney planned to name the mouse "Mortimer" until his wife suggested the name of Mickey..." PR Phil Rosenkranz?|?Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist | ?Yakima County Public Services Direct?509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse Turns 40 The mouse turned 40 years old today. Happy birthday, mouse. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Dec 11 11:17:14 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:17:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista network issues - troubleshooting article Message-ID: <01ca01c95bb4$4fafc510$ef0f4f30$@net> Here are some suggestions for troubleshooting Vista network issues: http://windowssecrets.com/2008/12/11/02-Microsoft-DHCP-bugs-make-Windows-los e-networking/?n=story2 John B. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 12:06:03 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows/DOS tab and comma delimited options Message-ID: <081c01c95bbb$22ec1900$2f8601c7@SusanOne> >From Outlook, I can export data to comma or tab delimited files, but both options offer a Windows and a DOS version -- what's the difference? Susan H. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Dec 11 15:03:55 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:03:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows/DOS tab and comma delimited options In-Reply-To: <081c01c95bbb$22ec1900$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <081c01c95bbb$22ec1900$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <49420CDB.13814.26DDC85@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> DOS = ASCII Windows = Unicode or ANSI? I'm not certain about the latter, If it is ANSI, it is still single byte characters, but will use the ANSI code page for characters 128-255 rather than the extended ASCII set. On 11 Dec 2008 at 13:06, Susan Harkins wrote: > >From Outlook, I can export data to comma or tab delimited files, but both > options offer a Windows and a DOS version -- what's the difference? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Dec 11 15:06:12 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:06:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows/DOS tab and comma delimited options In-Reply-To: <49420CDB.13814.26DDC85@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <081c01c95bbb$22ec1900$2f8601c7@SusanOne>, <49420CDB.13814.26DDC85@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <49420D64.28665.26FF459@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Just checked. Windows is ANSI! On 12 Dec 2008 at 7:03, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > DOS = ASCII > Windows = Unicode or ANSI? > I'm not certain about the latter, If it is ANSI, it is still single byte characters, but will use the > ANSI code page for characters 128-255 rather than the extended ASCII set. > > > On 11 Dec 2008 at 13:06, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > >From Outlook, I can export data to comma or tab delimited files, but both > > options offer a Windows and a DOS version -- what's the difference? > > > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 13 13:16:12 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:16:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing In-Reply-To: <01ca01c95bb4$4fafc510$ef0f4f30$@net> References: <01ca01c95bb4$4fafc510$ef0f4f30$@net> Message-ID: <1911D14BCCA84C9F83851CD55081B8C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: I am working with a very old POS system. It is encapsulated within a WindowsXP OS and seems to work just fine. The one problem I am having is that when printing reports, in this case invoices, the print job seems to have to time-out before the last lines are printed and the print job ejects from the printer. >From the POS the printers can be configured so that any set of characters be sent to the Windows printer and subsequently it is the Windows printer that is actually printing the job. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what characters or setup is required within either the old POS or within the Windows printer to force the print job to complete immediately after receiving or sending the last characters? TIA Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Dec 13 19:36:27 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:36:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing In-Reply-To: <1911D14BCCA84C9F83851CD55081B8C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <01ca01c95bb4$4fafc510$ef0f4f30$@net>, <1911D14BCCA84C9F83851CD55081B8C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4944EFBB.28787.472BC91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You probably need to send a Form Feed - crFF - CHR$(26) On 13 Dec 2008 at 11:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I am working with a very old POS system. It is encapsulated within a > WindowsXP OS and seems to work just fine. The one problem I am having is > that when printing reports, in this case invoices, the print job seems to > have to time-out before the last lines are printed and the print job ejects > from the printer. > > >From the POS the printers can be configured so that any set of characters be > sent to the Windows printer and subsequently it is the Windows printer that > is actually printing the job. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what characters or setup is required > within either the old POS or within the Windows printer to force the print > job to complete immediately after receiving or sending the last characters? > > TIA > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 13 23:51:51 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:51:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing In-Reply-To: <4944EFBB.28787.472BC91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <01ca01c95bb4$4fafc510$ef0f4f30$@net> <1911D14BCCA84C9F83851CD55081B8C4@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4944EFBB.28787.472BC91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <689FF6E2AA3D4F82895AB973B625BFD6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Stuart: The print job does send a form feed. The issue is that the Windows print driver/control waits for the time out before completing the print job instead understanding the end-of-print-job as sent from the DOS app. If the user exits the DOS app the Windows printer immediately completes the job. I was wondering if there is some code sequence that tells the Windows printer queue the job is completed/terminated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing You probably need to send a Form Feed - crFF - CHR$(26) On 13 Dec 2008 at 11:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I am working with a very old POS system. It is encapsulated within a > WindowsXP OS and seems to work just fine. The one problem I am having is > that when printing reports, in this case invoices, the print job seems to > have to time-out before the last lines are printed and the print job ejects > from the printer. > > >From the POS the printers can be configured so that any set of characters be > sent to the Windows printer and subsequently it is the Windows printer that > is actually printing the job. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what characters or setup is required > within either the old POS or within the Windows printer to force the print > job to complete immediately after receiving or sending the last characters? > > TIA > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 14 02:33:35 2008 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:33:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing Message-ID: Hi Jim Did you check the spool settings of the printer? You may have the option to "Start printing when the first page is ready" (or similar), or to "Print directly to the printer" which bypasses the spooling. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-12-2008 06:51 >>> Hi Stuart: The print job does send a form feed. The issue is that the Windows print driver/control waits for the time out before completing the print job instead understanding the end-of-print-job as sent from the DOS app. If the user exits the DOS app the Windows printer immediately completes the job. I was wondering if there is some code sequence that tells the Windows printer queue the job is completed/terminated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing You probably need to send a Form Feed - crFF - CHR$(26) On 13 Dec 2008 at 11:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I am working with a very old POS system. It is encapsulated within a > WindowsXP OS and seems to work just fine. The one problem I am having is > that when printing reports, in this case invoices, the print job seems to > have to time-out before the last lines are printed and the print job ejects > from the printer. > > >From the POS the printers can be configured so that any set of characters be > sent to the Windows printer and subsequently it is the Windows printer that > is actually printing the job. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what characters or setup is required > within either the old POS or within the Windows printer to force the print > job to complete immediately after receiving or sending the last characters? > > TIA > > Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 18:00:44 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:00:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Expession Web 2 Installation Question Message-ID: <29f585dd0812141600p4e9c6b8je2bdcdfedb67600d@mail.gmail.com> I received an installation dvd from DevTeach (in Montreal) and I have repeatedly tried to install it, only to hit error 1704 and not be able to proceed. Does anyone have any insight into this? I tried a Google and got nowhere. TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Dec 14 18:32:14 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91018DBC0E7C41FC93486651BFBC7752@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Good call. It sounds like it might work and I will get a chance to try it out as I have to go and setup a new invoicing terminal this evening and try it out... (It has been snowing all day but the new station has to be running by the AM) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing Hi Jim Did you check the spool settings of the printer? You may have the option to "Start printing when the first page is ready" (or similar), or to "Print directly to the printer" which bypasses the spooling. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-12-2008 06:51 >>> Hi Stuart: The print job does send a form feed. The issue is that the Windows print driver/control waits for the time out before completing the print job instead understanding the end-of-print-job as sent from the DOS app. If the user exits the DOS app the Windows printer immediately completes the job. I was wondering if there is some code sequence that tells the Windows printer queue the job is completed/terminated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing You probably need to send a Form Feed - crFF - CHR$(26) On 13 Dec 2008 at 11:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I am working with a very old POS system. It is encapsulated within a > WindowsXP OS and seems to work just fine. The one problem I am having is > that when printing reports, in this case invoices, the print job seems to > have to time-out before the last lines are printed and the print job ejects > from the printer. > > >From the POS the printers can be configured so that any set of characters be > sent to the Windows printer and subsequently it is the Windows printer that > is actually printing the job. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what characters or setup is required > within either the old POS or within the Windows printer to force the print > job to complete immediately after receiving or sending the last characters? > > TIA > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Dec 14 18:40:17 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:40:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Expession Web 2 Installation Question In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0812141600p4e9c6b8je2bdcdfedb67600d@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0812141600p4e9c6b8je2bdcdfedb67600d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <492BE407533341B69345DACFFA84A917@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: Just a thought, as I have ran across a number of failed DVDS... the players not the media. It seems that a player left too long will start developing errors and some of the sensitive heads get coated... Have you tried playing the disk on another DVD player? You could try disassembling and cleaning the player. It is an awkward job with these new players as they are built really cheap and all parts tend to be riveted together but if you have a compressed air-can and cotton swabs that might do the trick. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Expession Web 2 Installation Question I received an installation dvd from DevTeach (in Montreal) and I have repeatedly tried to install it, only to hit error 1704 and not be able to proceed. Does anyone have any insight into this? I tried a Google and got nowhere. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 02:17:27 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:17:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Expession Web 2 Installation Question In-Reply-To: <492BE407533341B69345DACFFA84A917@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd0812141600p4e9c6b8je2bdcdfedb67600d@mail.gmail.com> <492BE407533341B69345DACFFA84A917@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0812150017x25b1a7b7h256dc3822e31a0d@mail.gmail.com> Yikes! Turf way beyond my capabilties! Well I can try your first suggestion but the taking-apart one is way outside my comfort zone LOL. A. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Just a thought, as I have ran across a number of failed DVDS... the players > not the media. It seems that a player left too long will start developing > errors and some of the sensitive heads get coated... Have you tried playing > the disk on another DVD player? > > You could try disassembling and cleaning the player. It is an awkward job > with these new players as they are built really cheap and all parts tend to > be riveted together but if you have a compressed air-can and cotton swabs > that might do the trick. > > Jim > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 15 02:59:06 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:59:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Expession Web 2 Installation Question Message-ID: Hi Arthur Welcome to the club. If you google a little further you'll find lots and lots of complaints about failing installs, also that the Expression Team of MS has promised to resolve this in the next update. Main issue - others exist - is a stupid dependance on a _successful_ install of Office 2007 and some of its shared files. Thus, if you have Office 2007 installed, you may try to remove it completely and reinstall from scratch. That worked on my home machine; but my office machine won't because I have Office 2003 and 2002/XP installed too and that confuses the Expression installation. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 15-12-2008 01:00 >>> I received an installation dvd from DevTeach (in Montreal) and I have repeatedly tried to install it, only to hit error 1704 and not be able to proceed. Does anyone have any insight into this? I tried a Google and got nowhere. TIA, Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Dec 15 09:15:37 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:15:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Ultimate Message-ID: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the bottom of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL HOURS to complete" (emphasis mine). WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 09:38:47 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:38:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> Message-ID: Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after getting all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then something went back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which took another hour. It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. If you had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot faster. And the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case possiblity in case you had less than speedy hardware. GK On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can run VPC > on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the bottom of the dialog > box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL HOURS to complete" (emphasis > mine). > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. O2K7 > is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Although It's on > my backup box -primary development machine is still XP - so I'm really not > doing much with it. > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Dec 15 10:24:53 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:24:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> Well, it finished, said the upgrade failed, didn't say why, restored Vista Home Basic. I have no idea why. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:39 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after getting all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then something went back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which took another hour. It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. If you had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot faster. And the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case possiblity in case you had less than speedy hardware. GK On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can > run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the bottom > of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL HOURS to > complete" (emphasis mine). > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. > O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. > Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still > XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:37:32 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:37:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: <2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> <2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> Message-ID: Bummer. Welcome to the club. Did you send in the response to Microsoft Tech Support when it prompted you to? They eventually contacted me and guided me through getting my SP 1 update to work. Did you have any sort of Antivirus on it? That was the thing that ended up killing my update and I had to use the McAfee uninstall and then did the unistall in some "stand alone update" mode they guided me into. GK On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Well, it finished, said the upgrade failed, didn't say why, restored Vista > Home Basic. I have no idea why. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:39 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate > > Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after getting > all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then something went > back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which took another hour. > It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. If you > had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot faster. And > the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case possiblity in case you had > less than speedy hardware. > > GK > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can > > run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the bottom > > of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL HOURS to > > complete" (emphasis mine). > > > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. > > O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. > > Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still > > XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:38:21 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:38:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> <2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> Message-ID: Oops, I meant the install was run in Stand Alone Update mode. GK On 12/15/08, Gary Kjos wrote: > Bummer. Welcome to the club. Did you send in the response to Microsoft > Tech Support when it prompted you to? They eventually contacted me > and guided me through getting my SP 1 update to work. Did you have any > sort of Antivirus on it? That was the thing that ended up killing my > update and I had to use the McAfee uninstall and then did the unistall > in some "stand alone update" mode they guided me into. > > GK > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > Well, it finished, said the upgrade failed, didn't say why, restored Vista > > Home Basic. I have no idea why. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:39 AM > > To: Off Topic > > Cc: List > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate > > > > Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after getting > > all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then something went > > back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which took another hour. > > It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. If you > > had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot faster. And > > the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case possiblity in case you had > > less than speedy hardware. > > > > GK > > > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can > > > run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the bottom > > > of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL HOURS to > > > complete" (emphasis mine). > > > > > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > > > > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. > > > O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. > > > Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still > > > XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-OT mailing list > > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Dec 15 11:01:18 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:01:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005><2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> Message-ID: <8D8EE119E0CA4CD7AAEC4979B231686F@HAL9005> I didn't get the response box. So no contact w/Tech Support. I uninstalled WnFax Pro which is not supported any more and didn't really play well with Vista Home. I'm running Sygate and AVG. I'm going to try again with both of those stopped. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate Bummer. Welcome to the club. Did you send in the response to Microsoft Tech Support when it prompted you to? They eventually contacted me and guided me through getting my SP 1 update to work. Did you have any sort of Antivirus on it? That was the thing that ended up killing my update and I had to use the McAfee uninstall and then did the unistall in some "stand alone update" mode they guided me into. GK On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Well, it finished, said the upgrade failed, didn't say why, restored > Vista Home Basic. I have no idea why. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:39 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate > > Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after > getting all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then > something went back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which took another hour. > It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. > If you had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot > faster. And the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case > possiblity in case you had less than speedy hardware. > > GK > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can > > run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the > > bottom of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL > > HOURS to complete" (emphasis mine). > > > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. > > O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. > > Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still > > XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:09:38 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:09:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate In-Reply-To: <8D8EE119E0CA4CD7AAEC4979B231686F@HAL9005> References: <3E23A068CE0B4E8F8E9A1113CA155F55@HAL9005> <2E33A53E96994DC6966C2E289B7C55B4@HAL9005> <8D8EE119E0CA4CD7AAEC4979B231686F@HAL9005> Message-ID: It's best if you can actually uninstall them I think. I had tried to just stop things and that didn't work. There was some stuff continuing to run in the background. On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I didn't get the response box. So no contact w/Tech Support. I uninstalled > WnFax Pro which is not supported any more and didn't really play well with > Vista Home. I'm running Sygate and AVG. I'm going to try again with both > of those stopped. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate > > Bummer. Welcome to the club. Did you send in the response to Microsoft Tech > Support when it prompted you to? They eventually contacted me and guided me > through getting my SP 1 update to work. Did you have any sort of Antivirus > on it? That was the thing that ended up killing my update and I had to use > the McAfee uninstall and then did the unistall in some "stand alone update" > mode they guided me into. > > GK > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > Well, it finished, said the upgrade failed, didn't say why, restored > > Vista Home Basic. I have no idea why. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:39 AM > > To: Off Topic > > Cc: List > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Vista Ultimate > > > > Good luck with it. I had the SP1 update fail a few times on me after > > getting all the way through to saying it was 100% complete but then > > something went back and it had to restore it to preupdate status which > took another hour. > > It's the trying to preserve your stuff that maybe takes it that long. > > If you had just loaded from scratch it would have probably been a lot > > faster. And the SEVERAL HOURS estimate is maybe a worst case > > possiblity in case you had less than speedy hardware. > > > > GK > > > > On 12/15/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > > > wrote: > > > Upgrading my Vista Home to Vista Ultimate today - primarily so I can > > > run VPC on it. It's at the major upgrade phase now and at the > > > bottom of the dialog box it says "Your upgrade may take SEVERAL > > > HOURS to complete" (emphasis mine). > > > > > > WTF? Several hours? What could they be doing for several hours? > > > > > > That said, the Vista OS has been pretty solid so far. Not sluggish. > > > O2K7 is a pig but Vista isn't as bad as I thought it would be. > > > Although It's on my backup box -primary development machine is still > > > XP - so I'm really not doing much with it. > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-OT mailing list > > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 13:34:45 2008 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:34:45 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Need help with Active Directory question Message-ID: <2dad32080812151134n34b325e3v5ebfc765c8130d78@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to export a list from AD showing all users and their current passwords? From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Dec 15 14:01:31 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:01:31 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Need help with Active Directory question In-Reply-To: <2dad32080812151134n34b325e3v5ebfc765c8130d78@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dad32080812151134n34b325e3v5ebfc765c8130d78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F21DC87D31D4159AA90341C2C90B75E@jt2c> Yes, look at a product called Hyena. You have to learn how to use their exporter Pro software (bundled with Hyena), but you can do SO much with it. I used it the other week to get all the Group memberships of everyone in my domain, and all the folder permissions from a server. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: 15 December 2008 19:35 To: Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Need help with Active Directory question Is it possible to export a list from AD showing all users and their current passwords? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Dec 15 19:23:29 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:23:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've had this problem before Message-ID: But owing to my advanced age - I can't remember how I solved it. I upgraded my Vista box (HAL9006) to Ultimate today but because the upgrade would not go through I opted for a fresh install. It worked. And things are getting back to normal. But I can't push things onto the Vista box from my main machine - HAL9005. haven't tried it from any of the others, probably the same. It tells me access denied. When I first installed Vista Home on the Vista box (it came from Grandpa with lots of stuff so I wanted it clean). I had the problem, but cleared it up and can't remember how. I already set the drive to shareable. And went to the Network and Sharing Center - Network Discovery - On File Sharing - On Public Folder Sharing - On Printer Sharing - On Password protected sharing - Off Media Sharing - On Windows Firewall - On Running AVG I can display the HAL9006 files on HAL9005. I can pull HAL9005 files onto HAL9006 from HAL9006. I can pull HAL9006 files onto HAL9005 from HAL9005. I can push HAL9006 files onto HAL9005 form HAL9006. But I can't push files from HAL9005 to HAL9006. What have I forgotten? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 17 11:03:51 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:03:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? Message-ID: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005> OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to Ultimate. Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have to install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 17 12:03:54 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:03:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what my clients may be using. Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using 2007 install time 39 seconds Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very often but it's nice to know you can. Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. HTH Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to Ultimate. Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have to install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 17 12:10:50 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005> Message-ID: ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install them in order. 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? Hi Rocky, Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what my clients may be using. Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using 2007 install time 39 seconds Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very often but it's nice to know you can. Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. HTH Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to Ultimate. Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have to install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 17 12:21:22 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:21:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005> Message-ID: <23A6CCAEE02A444DB2675E5437870EEA@BPCS> Everything I have heard says you have to install them in order of oldest first, so that is what I have done. I don't know if you have to. The VM is slow to start but much more efficient then multiple machines or plug in hard drives. I use QuickBooks 2003 for my business and it has a 16bit install program so I could not install it in my 64 bit machine, so I solved the problem with VM, found it to be very convenient and got rid of one of my test machines (more room under my desk) and now use VM for testing. I only use QB 2 or 3 times a month so the 3 minutes is no big deal. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install them in order. 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? Hi Rocky, Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what my clients may be using. Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using 2007 install time 39 seconds Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very often but it's nice to know you can. Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. HTH Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to Ultimate. Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have to install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 17 17:11:11 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:11:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, , Message-ID: <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or 2007. On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > them in order. > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > Hi Rocky, > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what my > clients may be using. > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very > often but it's nice to know you can. > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > HTH > > Bill. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to Ultimate. > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have to > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > MTIA > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 17 20:36:24 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:36:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, , <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> Wow, Stuart, I was sure surprised to see your times, so I started trying to find out why mine took so long. I also have a 2.4GB core 2 duo (E6600) and 4G of memory. My VM is about 14G and located on my server. I have 1G Nic's on both machines as well as a IG switch, but I moved it to my main machine thinking it might be my network. It actually took longer, then I discovered that when you set up a new machine you have to set the memory allocation, so I moved it from 256 to 1.1 and saved a few seconds but still much more then yours. I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm done and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close and "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct then Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow times like I had. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or 2007. On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > them in order. > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > Hi Rocky, > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what > my > clients may be using. > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very > often but it's nice to know you can. > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > HTH > > Bill. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > Ultimate. > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have > to > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > MTIA > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 17 21:15:42 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:15:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, , <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> Message-ID: "Save the state" - I'll try to keep that in mind (what's left of it) Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? Wow, Stuart, I was sure surprised to see your times, so I started trying to find out why mine took so long. I also have a 2.4GB core 2 duo (E6600) and 4G of memory. My VM is about 14G and located on my server. I have 1G Nic's on both machines as well as a IG switch, but I moved it to my main machine thinking it might be my network. It actually took longer, then I discovered that when you set up a new machine you have to set the memory allocation, so I moved it from 256 to 1.1 and saved a few seconds but still much more then yours. I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm done and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close and "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct then Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow times like I had. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or 2007. On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > them in order. > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > Hi Rocky, > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what > my > clients may be using. > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very > often but it's nice to know you can. > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > HTH > > Bill. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > Ultimate. > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have > to > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > MTIA > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 17 21:23:59 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:23:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> Message-ID: <494A4EEF.9465.B9F8B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I always fully "Power off the machine" - still only takes 15 secs or so to restart. Note that this is using Sun VirtualBox. It may just be faster than the VMWare or Microsoft equivalents. On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:36, Bill Patten wrote: > I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm done > and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close and > "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct then > Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow times > like I had. > > Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. > 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM > > It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or > 2007. > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > > > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > > them in order. > > > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on what > > my > > clients may be using. > > > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except waiting > > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 seconds > > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that very > > often but it's nice to know you can. > > > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for developing > > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > > > HTH > > > > Bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > > Ultimate. > > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. And > > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have > > to > > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 17 21:34:11 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:34:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <494A4EEF.9465.B9F8B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, <494A13AF.19536.808637D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <26CE08774BED445DBBFBEC391D45E89A@BPCS> <494A4EEF.9465.B9F8B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <9E5DFD3305BE49DCB8BFF56B75A95C6E@BPCS> Thanks for the reply, Stuart, It would certainly appear the Sun VirtualBox is much faster. Are you using the free version? does it support USB and does it have one file for the virtual machine or many files like VMware? Is your Vista Vista 32 or 64? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? I always fully "Power off the machine" - still only takes 15 secs or so to restart. Note that this is using Sun VirtualBox. It may just be faster than the VMWare or Microsoft equivalents. On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:36, Bill Patten wrote: > I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm done > and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close and > "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct then > Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow times > like I had. > > Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. > 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM > > It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or > 2007. > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > > > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > > them in order. > > > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on > > what > > my > > clients may be using. > > > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except > > waiting > > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 > > seconds > > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that > > very > > often but it's nice to know you can. > > > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for > > developing > > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > > > HTH > > > > Bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > > Ultimate. > > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. > > And > > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have > > to > > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 17 21:50:55 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:50:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <9E5DFD3305BE49DCB8BFF56B75A95C6E@BPCS> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, <494A4EEF.9465.B9F8B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9E5DFD3305BE49DCB8BFF56B75A95C6E@BPCS> Message-ID: <494A553F.31773.D2A306@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm using the the full version under the free "Personal Use and Evalaution" licence". Yes, it supports USB. Each machine uses two files - one for the VM and one for the Virtual Disk. I've also set up an additional Virtual Disk which I can attach to any of the machines as a second disk, as well as shared directory on my underlying OS which I can access from any of the VMs. I'm using Vista32. I'm using version 2.0.6. I see they've just released version 2.1. I'll have to download that later. On 17 Dec 2008 at 19:34, Bill Patten wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Stuart, It would certainly appear the Sun VirtualBox > is much faster. Are you using the free version? does it support USB and does > it have one file for the virtual machine or many files like VMware? Is your > Vista Vista 32 or 64? > > Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > I always fully "Power off the machine" - still only takes 15 secs or so to > restart. > > Note that this is using Sun VirtualBox. It may just be faster than the > VMWare or Microsoft > equivalents. > > > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:36, Bill Patten wrote: > > > I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm done > > and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close and > > "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct then > > Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow times > > like I had. > > > > Bill > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. > > 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM > > > > It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 or > > 2007. > > > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > > > > > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > > > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and install > > > them in order. > > > > > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > 858-259-4334 > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > > > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on > > > what > > > my > > > clients may be using. > > > > > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my main > > > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except > > > waiting > > > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just test > > > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > > > > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after using > > > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > > > > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > > > > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 > > > seconds > > > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that > > > very > > > often but it's nice to know you can. > > > > > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for > > > developing > > > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > > > > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > > > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > > > Ultimate. > > > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > > > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office 2003 > > > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > > > > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. > > > And > > > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I have > > > to > > > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 17 21:59:31 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:59:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? In-Reply-To: <494A553F.31773.D2A306@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <896D873178BE4C679A0554050F811EC9@HAL9005>, <494A4EEF.9465.B9F8B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9E5DFD3305BE49DCB8BFF56B75A95C6E@BPCS> <494A553F.31773.D2A306@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick reply. It seems to me I tried it a year or so ago and found it cumbersome. I just downloaded 2.1 and will give it a try tomorrow. USB support gives it a big edge. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? I'm using the the full version under the free "Personal Use and Evalaution" licence". Yes, it supports USB. Each machine uses two files - one for the VM and one for the Virtual Disk. I've also set up an additional Virtual Disk which I can attach to any of the machines as a second disk, as well as shared directory on my underlying OS which I can access from any of the VMs. I'm using Vista32. I'm using version 2.0.6. I see they've just released version 2.1. I'll have to download that later. On 17 Dec 2008 at 19:34, Bill Patten wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Stuart, It would certainly appear the Sun VirtualBox > is much faster. Are you using the free version? does it support USB and > does > it have one file for the virtual machine or many files like VMware? Is > your > Vista Vista 32 or 64? > > Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > I always fully "Power off the machine" - still only takes 15 secs or so to > restart. > > Note that this is using Sun VirtualBox. It may just be faster than the > VMWare or Microsoft > equivalents. > > > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:36, Bill Patten wrote: > > > I suspect the difference is that I normally shut down the VM when I'm > > done > > and you may close it from the console and "save the state". if I close > > and > > "save the state" it takes about 11 seconds to open. If I am correct > > then > > Rocky might like to know, otherwise he could wind up with real slow > > times > > like I had. > > > > Bill > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > I'm running Sun VirtualBox on my Vista Business laptop. > > 2.4GB Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM > > > > It takes about 15 seconds to start up an XP VM loaded with Office 2003 > > or > > 2007. > > > > On 17 Dec 2008 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > > > > > ON the Vista machine, which is my kind of 'backup' box, I've got 2007 > > > installed. If I want 2003, I think I have to uninstall 2007 and > > > install > > > them in order. > > > > > > 3 minutes to start up a VM? Hmmm....could be inconvenient. > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > 858-259-4334 > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill > > > Patten > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:04 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > > > Yes you have to install an operating system. I have Vista Home, Vista > > > Business, XP and Windows 95 machines setup so I can test software on > > > what > > > my > > > clients may be using. > > > > > > Also I have Access 97, Access 2003 and Access 2007 installed on my > > > main > > > Vista 64 machine, and do not have any problems with Access except > > > waiting > > > for 2007 to re-install after using 2003 (I only work in 2003, just > > > test > > > 2007) and then re-install 2003 after using 2007. > > > > > > Open 2007 after using 2003 install time 81 seconds Open 2003 after > > > using > > > 2007 install time 39 seconds > > > > > > Open XP VM to use Access 2003 about 3 minutes > > > > > > By the way if I have 2003 open and then open 2007 it only takes 49 > > > seconds > > > to install 2007 and both appear to work, though I doubt I'd do that > > > very > > > often but it's nice to know you can. > > > > > > Things do run a little slower on a Virtual Machine too, so for > > > developing > > > I'd use what ever version I needed on my main machine. > > > > > > Having VM's with different operating systems however is very helpful. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > > > To: "'Off Topic'" ; "List" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:03 AM > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC - What Do I Do Now? > > > > > > > > > OK. I'm going to do Virtual PC. First I had to upgrade Vista to > > > Ultimate. > > > Then I downloaded and installed VPC. Created a VM called Office 2003 > > > because the Vista box has Office 2007. I want to set up an Office > > > 2003 > > > machine and an Office 200 machine for testing. > > > > > > Started VPC and I get the black screen with Action Edit Floppy Help. > > > And > > > I'm stuck. God knows I don't want to read the manual. I suppose I > > > have > > > to > > > install an OS now. You VM gurus, briefly what do I do next? > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 09:56:32 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:56:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Delete Site History Message-ID: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> I can never remember where the command is that deletes the list of visited sites. I'm using IE 7. TIA Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 10:05:34 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:05:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Delete Site History In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0812200805v22dcbce2j46a0d7a46b14f666@mail.gmail.com> I love how that works. Five seconds after you click Send you locate the answer to your question. It must be some sort of quantum physics law, or maybe Murphy's law. Or this could be the onset of senility. A. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I can never remember where the command is that deletes the list of visited > sites. I'm using IE 7. > > TIA > Arthur > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Dec 20 10:06:24 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:06:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Delete Site History In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tools, options, browsing history history buttons. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 December 2008 15:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Delete Site History I can never remember where the command is that deletes the list of visited sites. I'm using IE 7. TIA Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 10:09:33 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:09:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Delete Site History References: <29f585dd0812200756t1fde8668mb69a0e9cdb958f39@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0812200805v22dcbce2j46a0d7a46b14f666@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09bb01c962bd$59fd8e20$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Whatever it is, I suffer from it too. ;) Susan H. >I love how that works. Five seconds after you click Send you locate the > answer to your question. It must be some sort of quantum physics law, or > maybe Murphy's law. Or this could be the onset of senility. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Dec 20 10:25:32 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:25:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reports To File Message-ID: <45E67128A75148AF8D91E0274055C270@HAL9005> Dear Lists: I'm in trouble now. Turned 60 - my mind is failing. I did a manual for my commercial product several years ago. Now I'm coming out with a big new release and that requires re-writing and updating the manual. It's all done except for the reports in the appendix. When I did those reports originally, I had a devil of a time figuring out how to get them into the word doc. Eventually I figured it out. Even redid the reports a few years ago in Chinese for my distributor. Problem is, I cannot for the life of me remember how I did it. Been puzzling over it for two days, searching through the HD, looking for likely programs or add-ons, or printer drivers. But I think I got a lead from someone on the list. My only clue: I remember that the program created a separate file for each page of the report - and IIRC (sigh) it was in jpg format. Rotated it, dropped it into the word doc manual - was a piece of cake. It's the last thing I have to do to get the new release ready. I do remember that screen captures didn't cut it. When the report is reduced to where it all shows on the screen it reproduces badly. It's something that put each page of the report out to a separate jpg. Any clues, leads, WAGs welcome. Doesn't have to be the way I did it before. I just need a nice high res image of the report page. Doesn't matter how I get it. MMMTIA Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Dec 20 15:56:43 2008 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:56:43 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Reports To File In-Reply-To: <45E67128A75148AF8D91E0274055C270@HAL9005> References: <45E67128A75148AF8D91E0274055C270@HAL9005> Message-ID: <494DF6BB.22562.F017137@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> One of the "print to picture" drivers. The one I currently use is the free Polestar VirtualPrinter. http://www.polestarsoft.com/virtual_printer/ # Create PDF files from any program that is able to print PDF & Image Printer Driver installs as a standard printer can be easily used for PDF creation from any Windows program printable with high quality. # Export documents to raster image files: PNG, JPG, TIFF, GIF, BMP. # Export documents to vector image files: EMF. # Create Multipage TIFF Create single TIFF image file from a multipage document or from several documents. # Custom Folder Option This gives you the option to save created PDF or image files to a specified directory. # Automatic Output is to generate PDFs and images with unique name and specific path. These information will be kept in Windows Registry Hive. # Resolution or dpi (dot per inch) level options in horizontal and vertical directions for both PDFs and images. On 20 Dec 2008 at 8:25, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear Lists: > > I'm in trouble now. Turned 60 - my mind is failing. > > I did a manual for my commercial product several years ago. Now I'm coming > out with a big new release and that requires re-writing and updating the > manual. It's all done except for the reports in the appendix. > > When I did those reports originally, I had a devil of a time figuring out > how to get them into the word doc. Eventually I figured it out. Even redid > the reports a few years ago in Chinese for my distributor. > > Problem is, I cannot for the life of me remember how I did it. Been > puzzling over it for two days, searching through the HD, looking for likely > programs or add-ons, or printer drivers. But I think I got a lead from > someone on the list. > > My only clue: I remember that the program created a separate file for each > page of the report - and IIRC (sigh) it was in jpg format. Rotated it, > dropped it into the word doc manual - was a piece of cake. It's the last > thing I have to do to get the new release ready. I do remember that screen > captures didn't cut it. When the report is reduced to where it all shows on > the screen it reproduces badly. It's something that put each page of the > report out to a separate jpg. > > Any clues, leads, WAGs welcome. Doesn't have to be the way I did it before. > I just need a nice high res image of the report page. Doesn't matter how I > get it. > > MMMTIA > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Dec 20 23:16:01 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:16:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Message-ID: Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Dec 20 23:32:27 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:32:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Dec 20 23:44:39 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:44:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> Message-ID: <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 00:01:27 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:01:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> Message-ID: <91FFE890748F4B0F84D6F794D4A64E9F@HAL9005> No BIOS setting. Shows 2GB installed in slot 1 - nothing in slot 2. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:06:31 2008 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:06:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> Message-ID: <7554151020114DAD90A8C417E02C82FF@BPCS> Rocky, try doing a Google on the e-machine model number for specs. Also some machines will not accept miss matched ram, they want the same type in each slot. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 07:45:27 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:45:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <7554151020114DAD90A8C417E02C82FF@BPCS> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net><01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> <7554151020114DAD90A8C417E02C82FF@BPCS> Message-ID: AHA! You're right Bill. Spec page says expandable to 2GB. I'm maxed out! It's OK. It ran pretty snappy with 1GB. This is the VPC machine so I wanted a little more RAM. Thanks. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, try doing a Google on the e-machine model number for specs. Also some machines will not accept miss matched ram, they want the same type in each slot. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sun Dec 21 12:20:58 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:20:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net> <01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> Message-ID: <016d01c96398$df171320$9d453960$@net> Hi Rocky, Sometimes it doesn't but you can almost always find it by manually picking your PC maker - model - and such. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 12:30:44 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:30:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <016d01c96398$df171320$9d453960$@net> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net><01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> <016d01c96398$df171320$9d453960$@net> Message-ID: Yeah, thanks. Found that. 2GB looks like the limit. I think it's enough for this machine anyway. What I need now is a memory upgrade for me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Hi Rocky, Sometimes it doesn't but you can almost always find it by manually picking your PC maker - model - and such. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sun Dec 21 16:32:46 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:32:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net><01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> <016d01c96398$df171320$9d453960$@net> Message-ID: <01a301c963bc$0c695180$253bf480$@net> Let me know if you find a good deal - I need one too. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Yeah, thanks. Found that. 2GB looks like the limit. I think it's enough for this machine anyway. What I need now is a memory upgrade for me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Hi Rocky, Sometimes it doesn't but you can almost always find it by manually picking your PC maker - model - and such. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 16:34:13 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:34:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade In-Reply-To: <01a301c963bc$0c695180$253bf480$@net> References: <009401c9632d$832555b0$89700110$@net><01742ED0F4BA4E4BB6122911B9364E16@HAL9005> <016d01c96398$df171320$9d453960$@net> <01a301c963bc$0c695180$253bf480$@net> Message-ID: <51F1003831AE4D6CADC3F8A02B2C3ADF@HAL9005> Replacement parts...so hard to find for the older models. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Let me know if you find a good deal - I need one too. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Yeah, thanks. Found that. 2GB looks like the limit. I think it's enough for this machine anyway. What I need now is a memory upgrade for me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Hi Rocky, Sometimes it doesn't but you can almost always find it by manually picking your PC maker - model - and such. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade John: Well, the crucial scan could not determine the manufacturer or model of my PC but according to the scan the system already has the maximum amount of memory installed. So maybe this box has a 2GB limit. I'll have to check the bios. However, it also shows under the specs, two empty memory slots with 0MB memory installed. This is an E-Machines box - 3GHz P4. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Rocky, Here's a good online tool to check what type it can take and how your main board handles RAM. Some need matched pairs, some ECC and some not, etc.: http://www.crucial.com/us/vista/index.aspx John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:16 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Memory Upgrade Dear Lists: My Vista machine had two 1/2 GB memory modules. I swapped one out for a 2GB module. System says I have 2GB but the other 1/2GB module is still in slot 2. Is there any way to get the system to recognize two modules of different capacities so I can have 2.5GB? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 19:46:51 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Faxing Software Message-ID: (cross posted) Dear List(s): Win Fax Pro will not work with Vista. Does anyone have a recommendation for a replacement? TIA Rocky Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Dec 22 23:38:24 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:38:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Hanukkah Message-ID: <009301c964c0$ac78dbf0$056a93d0$@net> A Happy Hanukkah from the Database Advisors Board of Directors. Here's a little JibJab fun: http://www.winhaven.net/misc/HappyHanukkahDBA.html From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Dec 23 00:40:33 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:40:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Happy Hanukkah In-Reply-To: <009401c964c0$ac97d5a0$05c780e0$@net> References: <009401c964c0$ac97d5a0$05c780e0$@net> Message-ID: <5C6C4D60E38F47C28A3A019A757DAA04@HAL9005> Why thank you John! That's the best looking gang they ever had on Jib-Jab. And Happy Chanukah to all of you as well! Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:38 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; _DBA-Access; _DBA-OT; _DBA-Tech; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-OT] Happy Hanukkah A Happy Hanukkah from the Database Advisors Board of Directors. Here's a little JibJab fun: http://www.winhaven.net/misc/HappyHanukkahDBA.html From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 06:39:01 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:39:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMware setup questions Message-ID: <29f585dd0812230439k15304289hfc127201395b71b8@mail.gmail.com> I have the vmware player and the vmware server but I have not much idea what to do first and next etc. As I understand it, you first image your existing setup, then run the server and begin creating new VMS. Apparently there are also pre-done images for various OSes. Do you need an actual server all tricked up to run server? >From this ignorant person's viewpoint, it would seem that it makes no sense to run VMware on top of Vista or XP. VMWare should be the thing loaded and then the the little VMs. Wouldn't that maximize the ram available? Or am I still suffering from my recent concussion? Dazed and Confused, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 06:59:14 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:59:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is MultiBoot still alive in Vista? Message-ID: <29f585dd0812230459t4230e079tadcc9bdbecf96bcf@mail.gmail.com> If it is, can someone point me to a page describing its setup? TIA, Arthur From john at winhaven.net Wed Dec 24 12:00:25 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:00:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Merry Christmas - Its a Wonderful Life Message-ID: <000e01c965f1$7f6ea090$7e4be1b0$@net> Merry Christmas Hanukkah from the Database Advisors Board of Directors. If you've seen "It's a Wonderful Life", here's a little JibJab Christmas fun: (Some of the BoD didn't make the Hanukkah greeting so here's the rest in "It's a Wonderful Life") http://www.winhaven.net/misc/DBAItsaWonderfulLife.htm John B. PS: Parts were limited so I had to do what I had to do ;o) From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 12:11:16 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:11:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Merry Christmas - Its a Wonderful Life In-Reply-To: <000e01c965f1$7f6ea090$7e4be1b0$@net> References: <000e01c965f1$7f6ea090$7e4be1b0$@net> Message-ID: That is great! Merry Christmas! GK On 12/24/08, John Bartow wrote: > Merry Christmas Hanukkah from the Database Advisors Board of Directors. > > If you've seen "It's a Wonderful Life", here's a little JibJab Christmas > fun: > (Some of the BoD didn't make the Hanukkah greeting so here's the rest in > "It's a Wonderful Life") > http://www.winhaven.net/misc/DBAItsaWonderfulLife.htm > > John B. > PS: Parts were limited so I had to do what I had to do ;o) > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From poc231st at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 22:47:57 2008 From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:47:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Merry Christmas - Its a Wonderful Life In-Reply-To: <000e01c965f1$7f6ea090$7e4be1b0$@net> References: <000e01c965f1$7f6ea090$7e4be1b0$@net> Message-ID: Merry Christmas Hanukkah to All hope things are going well Best wishes for a Happy Healthy and Prosperous New Year I tried to see both but they do not come up just get the box with star but thanks for the thought *********************** * Patti OConnor ***********************> From: john at winhaven.net> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:00:25 -0600> Subject: [dba-Tech] Merry Christmas - Its a Wonderful Life> > Merry Christmas Hanukkah from the Database Advisors Board of Directors.> > If you've seen "It's a Wonderful Life", here's a little JibJab Christmas> fun:> (Some of the BoD didn't make the Hanukkah greeting so here's the rest in> "It's a Wonderful Life")> http://www.winhaven.net/misc/DBAItsaWonderfulLife.htm> > John B.> PS: Parts were limited so I had to do what I had to do ;o)> > _______________________________________________> dba-Tech mailing list> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From eptept at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 17:14:04 2008 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:14:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Trashed? Message-ID: <4f4bf9510812281514h1cb9955l104ee338802bef86@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Sorry for the double post but I know Some don't subscribe to both. Our desktop, main PC, went out to lunch after my son did something...who knows. I know Trojan, worms and whatnot were downloadded. I spent the better part of 14 hours trying to get it back to normal...no luck. I downloaded ZoftSpySE, CyberDefender, T-R Trogran Remover 6.7.5 but no cigar. Ran these in windows, safe mode and no-safe mode. The system just crawls, cpu rarely goes over 1-3%. Do I have to reformat the disk and loose everything or is there a solution I missing. This is a royal pain in the a**, especially after running the system for 3 years without a hitch, Running AVG, Spy Sweeper, PC Tools Dr.....also have Adaware and Spybot on the PC. I suppose I could get all the files I need off in safe mode but if there is a way to systematically get this working again without losing files, that would be great. I thought there was someone who had a similar problem...but maybe that was at work. Any suggestions GREATLY appreciated. MTIA ED From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Sun Dec 28 17:43:51 2008 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Trashed? References: <4f4bf9510812281514h1cb9955l104ee338802bef86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <780FBFCE391549449E52F1D4F70D46AB@Mattys> You might want to try this www.gmer.net - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Tesiny" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" ; "Off Topic" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Trashed? > Hi All, > Sorry for the double post but I know Some don't subscribe to both. Our > desktop, main PC, went out to lunch after my son did something...who > knows. > I know Trojan, worms and whatnot were downloadded. I spent the better > part > of 14 hours trying to get it back to normal...no luck. I downloaded > ZoftSpySE, CyberDefender, T-R Trogran Remover 6.7.5 but no cigar. Ran > these > in windows, safe mode and no-safe mode. The system just crawls, cpu > rarely > goes over 1-3%. Do I have to reformat the disk and loose everything or is > there a solution I missing. This is a royal pain in the a**, especially > after running the system for 3 years without a hitch, Running AVG, Spy > Sweeper, PC Tools Dr.....also have Adaware and Spybot on the PC. I > suppose > I could get all the files I need off in safe mode but if there is a way to > systematically get this working again without losing files, that would be > great. I thought there was someone who had a similar problem...but maybe > that was at work. Any suggestions GREATLY appreciated. > MTIA > ED > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 29 02:38:09 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:38:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Trashed? Message-ID: Hi Ed Have in mind, that many trojan "removers" are fake. These are our proven tools for the task: TrojanHunter: http://www.misec.net/ Sunbelt Software Vipre: http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-office/vipre/ Spybot - Search & Destroy??: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html All have free fully functional trial versions for download. /gustav >>> eptept at gmail.com 29-12-2008 00:14 >>> Hi All, Sorry for the double post but I know Some don't subscribe to both. Our desktop, main PC, went out to lunch after my son did something...who knows. I know Trojan, worms and whatnot were downloadded. I spent the better part of 14 hours trying to get it back to normal...no luck. I downloaded ZoftSpySE, CyberDefender, T-R Trogran Remover 6.7.5 but no cigar. Ran these in windows, safe mode and no-safe mode. The system just crawls, cpu rarely goes over 1-3%. Do I have to reformat the disk and loose everything or is there a solution I missing. This is a royal pain in the a**, especially after running the system for 3 years without a hitch, Running AVG, Spy Sweeper, PC Tools Dr.....also have Adaware and Spybot on the PC. I suppose I could get all the files I need off in safe mode but if there is a way to systematically get this working again without losing files, that would be great. I thought there was someone who had a similar problem...but maybe that was at work. Any suggestions GREATLY appreciated. MTIA ED From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Dec 30 19:33:46 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:33:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Message-ID: You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:44:22 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:44:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? References: Message-ID: <029b01c96ae9$51a5e2c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Have you tried WordArt? Susan H. > You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a > table, but I can't find it. > > Can this be done? From bheid at sc.rr.com Tue Dec 30 19:57:58 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:57:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Dec 31 10:32:43 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:32:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? In-Reply-To: <029b01c96ae9$51a5e2c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> References: <029b01c96ae9$51a5e2c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <9C3AA8E5C1934D4D8326C1A7AE13C753@danwaters> Is that part of MS Word? Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Have you tried WordArt? Susan H. > You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a > table, but I can't find it. > > Can this be done? From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Dec 31 10:36:30 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:36:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? In-Reply-To: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> References: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> Message-ID: Each of these solutions will work! This also explained WordArt - which unfortunately is not in Word 2003. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 10:38:08 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:38:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? References: <029b01c96ae9$51a5e2c0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <9C3AA8E5C1934D4D8326C1A7AE13C753@danwaters> Message-ID: <040201c96b66$2b5cd470$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Yes, in 2007 it's part of the interface, in earlier versions you can still use it, but I don't recall just how to... there's probably an option for launching it. Check the Help because I just don't remember, and I don't remember if it prints upside down, but I think it does. Susan H. > Is that part of MS Word? From rustykh at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 10:41:43 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? References: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <661127.41147.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Dan, from Word 2003 help: 1. On the Drawing toolbar, click Insert WordArt . Note The Drawing toolbar appears in the lower left corner of the program window. If you don't see the Drawing toolbar, on the View menu, point to Toolbars, and then click Drawing. 2. Click the WordArt (WordArt: Text objects you create with ready-made effects to which you can apply additional formatting options.) effect you want, and then click OK. 3. In the Edit WordArt Text dialog box, type the text you want. 4. Do any of the following: * To change the font type, in the Font list, select a font. * To change the font size, in the Size list, select a size. * To make text bold, click the Bold button. * To make text italic, click the Italic button HTH Rusty ________________________________ From: Dan Waters To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:36:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Each of these solutions will work! This also explained WordArt - which unfortunately is not in Word 2003. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Dec 31 11:02:33 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:02:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? In-Reply-To: <661127.41147.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> <661127.41147.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15276C5BA7AB47B19F95FCBEF98C5417@danwaters> Hi Rusty - I spoke too quickly. What I should have said is that the ability to make upside-down text using WordArt is not in Word 2003. From the first reference that Bobby Heid gave you used to be able to do this using WordArt in Word 95 and previous, but not since then. Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Dan, from Word 2003 help: 1. On the Drawing toolbar, click Insert WordArt . Note The Drawing toolbar appears in the lower left corner of the program window. If you don't see the Drawing toolbar, on the View menu, point to Toolbars, and then click Drawing. 2. Click the WordArt (WordArt: Text objects you create with ready-made effects to which you can apply additional formatting options.) effect you want, and then click OK. 3. In the Edit WordArt Text dialog box, type the text you want. 4. Do any of the following: * To change the font type, in the Font list, select a font. * To change the font size, in the Size list, select a size. * To make text bold, click the Bold button. * To make text italic, click the Italic button HTH Rusty ________________________________ Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Each of these solutions will work! This also explained WordArt - which unfortunately is not in Word 2003. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 11:14:34 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:14:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? References: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> <661127.41147.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <15276C5BA7AB47B19F95FCBEF98C5417@danwaters> Message-ID: <781135.61680.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Okay. Well, that just makes me wonder what the new features are in the newer versions that make it so great that we have to have it. ;-) ________________________________ From: Dan Waters To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:02:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Hi Rusty - I spoke too quickly. What I should have said is that the ability to make upside-down text using WordArt is not in Word 2003. From the first reference that Bobby Heid gave you used to be able to do this using WordArt in Word 95 and previous, but not since then. Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Dan, from Word 2003 help: 1. On the Drawing toolbar, click Insert WordArt . Note The Drawing toolbar appears in the lower left corner of the program window. If you don't see the Drawing toolbar, on the View menu, point to Toolbars, and then click Drawing. 2. Click the WordArt (WordArt: Text objects you create with ready-made effects to which you can apply additional formatting options.) effect you want, and then click OK. 3. In the Edit WordArt Text dialog box, type the text you want. 4. Do any of the following: * To change the font type, in the Font list, select a font. * To change the font size, in the Size list, select a size. * To make text bold, click the Bold button. * To make text italic, click the Italic button HTH Rusty ________________________________ Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Each of these solutions will work! This also explained WordArt - which unfortunately is not in Word 2003. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Dec 31 18:11:37 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:11:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? In-Reply-To: <15276C5BA7AB47B19F95FCBEF98C5417@danwaters> References: <00a701c96aeb$34c1e170$9e45a450$@rr.com> <661127.41147.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <15276C5BA7AB47B19F95FCBEF98C5417@danwaters> Message-ID: <008a01c96ba5$83809df0$8a81d9d0$@rr.com> I was able to rotate Word Art in Word 2007. After creating the Word Art text, on the title bar there will be a WordArt Tools tab. In the Arrange section of the ribbon toolbar, the bottom right icon is rotate. Click on the Rotate icon and click either rotate right 90 2 times, rotate left 90 2 times, or More Rotation Options If you clicked on More Rotation Options, enter 180 in the rotation box. That will give you upside down text in Word 2007 Word Art. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Hi Rusty - I spoke too quickly. What I should have said is that the ability to make upside-down text using WordArt is not in Word 2003. From the first reference that Bobby Heid gave you used to be able to do this using WordArt in Word 95 and previous, but not since then. Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Dan, from Word 2003 help: 1. On the Drawing toolbar, click Insert WordArt . Note The Drawing toolbar appears in the lower left corner of the program window. If you don't see the Drawing toolbar, on the View menu, point to Toolbars, and then click Drawing. 2. Click the WordArt (WordArt: Text objects you create with ready-made effects to which you can apply additional formatting options.) effect you want, and then click OK. 3. In the Edit WordArt Text dialog box, type the text you want. 4. Do any of the following: * To change the font type, in the Font list, select a font. * To change the font size, in the Size list, select a size. * To make text bold, click the Bold button. * To make text italic, click the Italic button HTH Rusty ________________________________ Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Each of these solutions will work! This also explained WordArt - which unfortunately is not in Word 2003. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? Here's some ways I found (none of them really a good solution): http://word.mvps.org/faqs/DrwGrphcs/UpsideDownText.htm http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=251 Bobby -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] In Word - Upside Down Text? You'd think there would be a way to put upside down text in a cell in a table, but I can't find it. Can this be done? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com