From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 11:07:17 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:07:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>

For $44 billion, no less. Wow.

A.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  1 11:18:40 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:18:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401c864f6$7deaa040$0401a8c0@M90>

I think I'll just whip out my credit card and see if I can buy it.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:07 PM
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Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo

For $44 billion, no less. Wow.

A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 11:45:31 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:45:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <004401c864f6$7deaa040$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<004401c864f6$7deaa040$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802010945q6904466cuafa9ff54ea2ef438@mail.gmail.com>

Outbid them, JC, go for it. I assume that you knew:

a) Bill is short for Billions;
b) BillG is short for bilge.

A.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 12:18 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
wrote:

> I think I'll just whip out my credit card and see if I can buy it.  ;-)
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  1 12:31:27 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:31:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200802011831.m11IVKjI024622@databaseadvisors.com>

WOW is right!

I get quite a number of trade rags and I don't recall seeing any rumors to
this intent.

I'm not too familiar with MSN/Live/whatever they call it these days. I have
to use it for my MSDN login and that's about it.  I use Yahoo all the time
though and I think their latest web mail and personal home page stuff is
great. I still use Google as my main search engine though.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  1 13:09:28 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:09:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
Message-ID: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I lost my Ghost 10.0 disk.  Not like me.  But yesterday Fry's had a Norton
Internet Security 2008/Ghost 12.0 package deal - $70.  After rebates...$0.
Price was right.  So I got it, loaded the Ghost, did my backup.
 
Now I've got this Internet Security 2008 thing as well as a Partition Magic
8.0 CD (all part of the package).  I'm using AVG and Sygate which seem to
work well and have Comodo on the list to try.  
 
Trash 'em?  Use 'em?  Has Norton gotten any better since the days when they
were really intrusive AND shaky?
 
Is Partition Magic a good product?  And, if so, what's it good for?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 13:20:20 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:20:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>

Partition Magic is IMHO a great product. It's especially useful if you run
multiple Operating Systems, but even without that, it's good for
partitioning and repartitioning drives, and also cloning one to another (as
when you replace a disk with a bigger one).

A.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
>
> Is Partition Magic a good product?  And, if so, what's it good for?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Feb  1 14:01:51 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:01:51 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c8650d$49071400$0200a8c0@jt2b>

I'll agree with that. PM is fantastic software, does what the disk manager
in window should do, but actually works properly. Although in theory, you're
only going to need to use it once, it's a great piece of software to have
lying around somewhere, just in case.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 01 February 2008 19:20
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!

Partition Magic is IMHO a great product. It's especially useful if you run
multiple Operating Systems, but even without that, it's good for
partitioning and repartitioning drives, and also cloning one to another (as
when you replace a disk with a bigger one).

A.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
>
> Is Partition Magic a good product?  And, if so, what's it good for?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  1 14:04:24 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:04:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200802012004.m11K4Gd1007556@databaseadvisors.com>

Also great when you buy a new pc that the manufacturer has portioned the
hard drive in the bizarre manner that some do. Most large PC makers
partition the hard drive with a huge System Restore partition. I recently
worked on an IBM ThinkPad with 10 or 20 GB in reserve. The reserve had
little on it and the OS's partition was nearly full. I also worked on an
Acer which had a 160 GB drive partitioned with 80 GB as a reserve partition.
That's absurd!

XP can't solve that dilemma on its own. You need a partition manager for
fixing that.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller

Partition Magic is IMHO a great product. It's especially useful if you run
multiple Operating Systems, but even without that, it's good for
partitioning and repartitioning drives, and also cloning one to another (as
when you replace a disk with a bigger one).



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  1 14:04:24 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:04:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200802012004.m11K4Gs4007557@databaseadvisors.com>

I've read the reviews but am skeptical. I ordered NIS 2008 and will be
testing it over the next few weeks. If you'd like to do the same please let
us know what you discover.

Of particular interest to me is:
-System overhead / resources used - the reviews I've read don't mention this
and NIS has been notorious for using a lot of resources
-System conflicts NIS 2005-2007 has been notorious for causing problems -
not something I look for in a utility program
-SPAM filtering capability - Norton antispam has been at best sub par in the
past.
-Anti-spyware - pre 2008, Norton antispyware has been weak to say the least.
Antispyware today needs to stop spyware from installing in the first place
not just clean it after the fact - the freebies can do that. Unfortunately
the damage can be done by the time one gets around to cleaning it up.

I would expect that their Anti-virus and Firewall would be as good or better
than in the past and not of concern.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  1 14:27:55 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:27:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <200802012004.m11K4Gs4007557@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<200802012004.m11K4Gs4007557@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c86510$edfa8700$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Well, please let me know what you find out.  Norton used to be the Cadillac
of AV.  Then they ran into some speed bumps.  If the 2008 suite is good,
doesn't hog resources, doesn't cause things to slow down, doesn't prevent
things from running that should - maybe I give it a try again.

Problem is, of course, with AVG, updates are free.  Norton wants $$.
Although I actually don't think I ever paid for Norton in all the years I
used it because they're always giving it away.  So every year instead of
renewing my subscription, I'd go out and another free (after rebates) one.
just like this year.  

I think 2005 was the last one I got.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!

I've read the reviews but am skeptical. I ordered NIS 2008 and will be
testing it over the next few weeks. If you'd like to do the same please let
us know what you discover.

Of particular interest to me is:
-System overhead / resources used - the reviews I've read don't mention this
and NIS has been notorious for using a lot of resources -System conflicts
NIS 2005-2007 has been notorious for causing problems - not something I look
for in a utility program -SPAM filtering capability - Norton antispam has
been at best sub par in the past.
-Anti-spyware - pre 2008, Norton antispyware has been weak to say the least.
Antispyware today needs to stop spyware from installing in the first place
not just clean it after the fact - the freebies can do that. Unfortunately
the damage can be done by the time one gets around to cleaning it up.

I would expect that their Anti-virus and Firewall would be as good or better
than in the past and not of concern.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Feb  1 14:32:44 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:32:44 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000501c86511$99eb6750$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

Yes that was a great deal!  And now it's sold out at Frys.  :-(

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:09 PM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!

I lost my Ghost 10.0 disk.  Not like me.  But yesterday Fry's had a Norton
Internet Security 2008/Ghost 12.0 package deal - $70.  After rebates...$0.
Price was right.  So I got it, loaded the Ghost, did my backup.
 
Now I've got this Internet Security 2008 thing as well as a Partition Magic
8.0 CD (all part of the package).  I'm using AVG and Sygate which seem to
work well and have Comodo on the list to try.  
 
Trash 'em?  Use 'em?  Has Norton gotten any better since the days when they
were really intrusive AND shaky?
 
Is Partition Magic a good product?  And, if so, what's it good for?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  1 14:42:53 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:42:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <000501c86511$99eb6750$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000501c86511$99eb6750$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005201c86513$05169850$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

They're pushing Ghost 12.0 today for free.  Watch the ads through - the
Norton deal comes round every 4-6 weeks seems like.

Rocky 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!

Hi Rocky,

Yes that was a great deal!  And now it's sold out at Frys.  :-(

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:09 PM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!

I lost my Ghost 10.0 disk.  Not like me.  But yesterday Fry's had a Norton
Internet Security 2008/Ghost 12.0 package deal - $70.  After rebates...$0.
Price was right.  So I got it, loaded the Ghost, did my backup.
 
Now I've got this Internet Security 2008 thing as well as a Partition Magic
8.0 CD (all part of the package).  I'm using AVG and Sygate which seem to
work well and have Comodo on the list to try.  
 
Trash 'em?  Use 'em?  Has Norton gotten any better since the days when they
were really intrusive AND shaky?
 
Is Partition Magic a good product?  And, if so, what's it good for?
 
TIA
 
Rocky
 


 	
	
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 14:44:13 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:44:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <002d01c8650d$49071400$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c8650d$49071400$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802011244m70b29696x379c9d6afd487849@mail.gmail.com>

Ya gotta love gmail, if only for its occasionally hilarious attempts to
match the ads with relevant advertisements. Alongside this "partition"
thread appeared an ad for toilet partitions! I'd love to see that in
Partition Manager... Partition | Create | NTFS, Linux, Linux Swap, FAT, FAT
32, Toilet.

A.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> I'll agree with that. PM is fantastic software, does what the disk manager
> in window should do, but actually works properly. Although in theory,
> you're
> only going to need to use it once, it's a great piece of software to have
> lying around somewhere, just in case.
>
>
> Jon
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb  3 09:39:49 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:39:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802011244m70b29696x379c9d6afd487849@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com><002d01c8650d$49071400$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<29f585dd0802011244m70b29696x379c9d6afd487849@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c8667b$03849410$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Regarding Partition Magic anybody who knows the program:  

My Dell came pre-partitioned C: @ 52.7GB and D: @ 17.8.  D: is named
'Backup'.  But I've never seen anything in 'Backup' except a hidden file
called NG Recovery Point Storage.ini.

So I'm wondering if I can use Partition Magic to transfer some of that space
from D: to C:  10-15 GB.  I suppose I should leave some space on D: for
'Backup' although I don't know why?

Any insight, anybody?

TIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!

Ya gotta love gmail, if only for its occasionally hilarious attempts to
match the ads with relevant advertisements. Alongside this "partition"
thread appeared an ad for toilet partitions! I'd love to see that in
Partition Manager... Partition | Create | NTFS, Linux, Linux Swap, FAT, FAT
32, Toilet.

A.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> I'll agree with that. PM is fantastic software, does what the disk 
> manager in window should do, but actually works properly. Although in 
> theory, you're only going to need to use it once, it's a great piece 
> of software to have lying around somewhere, just in case.
>
>
> Jon
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 09:46:11 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:46:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8667b$03849410$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003f01c86505$f8897920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0802011120s3071eea2pfd185ec088272fb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c8650d$49071400$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<29f585dd0802011244m70b29696x379c9d6afd487849@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c8667b$03849410$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802030746j41d2a1ebg61ae2f4f834427b9@mail.gmail.com>

I _think_ that the Backup partitition is for a backup of your system files.
That's how it is on my Toshiba notebook. PM will allow you to shrink it.
First shrink it say to 11 GB and indicate that you want the space placed
before it not after it. That placement will then let you expand c:\ to fill
the empty space created in the first step.

hth,
Arthur

On Sun, Feb 3, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Regarding Partition Magic anybody who knows the program:
>
> My Dell came pre-partitioned C: @ 52.7GB and D: @ 17.8.  D: is named
> 'Backup'.  But I've never seen anything in 'Backup' except a hidden file
> called NG Recovery Point Storage.ini.
>
> So I'm wondering if I can use Partition Magic to transfer some of that
> space
> from D: to C:  10-15 GB.  I suppose I should leave some space on D: for
> 'Backup' although I don't know why?
>
> Any insight, anybody?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:44 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!
>
> Ya gotta love gmail, if only for its occasionally hilarious attempts to
> match the ads with relevant advertisements. Alongside this "partition"
> thread appeared an ad for toilet partitions! I'd love to see that in
> Partition Manager... Partition | Create | NTFS, Linux, Linux Swap, FAT,
> FAT
> 32, Toilet.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll agree with that. PM is fantastic software, does what the disk
> > manager in window should do, but actually works properly. Although in
> > theory, you're only going to need to use it once, it's a great piece
> > of software to have lying around somewhere, just in case.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Feb  3 12:38:24 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:38:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8667b$03849410$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200802031838.m13IcDXP032215@databaseadvisors.com>

Many of the major manufacturers do that. Some of them also have a backup
solution which places system snapshots and backups of personal files on that
partition. However, this is of little comfort if the hard drive goes down as
the partitions go with it.

If you have the recovery disks you don't need the HD based recovery option.
And since you should make backups on another source of media I suggest you
do that and then use Partition Manager to merge the recovery (or whatever
they call it) partition it into your main partition. On some systems this
will double your main partition!

I'm doing this to an Acer Aspire at this moment.

HTH
John B



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 12:59:29 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:59:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] question on file
Message-ID: <000601c86696$ea8e9700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

While copying a directory to disk I kept getting a message about a file having attached information that might be lost -- the file name was thumbs.db. 

Anyone know what that is?

Susan H. 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb  3 13:14:42 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:14:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <200802031838.m13IcDXP032215@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000d01c8667b$03849410$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <005d01c86699$0817dc30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Cool.  Thank you.  I'm Ghosting regularly to an external HD so I feel like
that's enough security. Also, every file I change gets copied to machine #2.
And machine #2 has its own external HD.

Now all I need is some off site backup - preferably on another continent.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:38 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton!

Many of the major manufacturers do that. Some of them also have a backup
solution which places system snapshots and backups of personal files on that
partition. However, this is of little comfort if the hard drive goes down as
the partitions go with it.

If you have the recovery disks you don't need the HD based recovery option.
And since you should make backups on another source of media I suggest you
do that and then use Partition Manager to merge the recovery (or whatever
they call it) partition it into your main partition. On some systems this
will double your main partition!

I'm doing this to an Acer Aspire at this moment.

HTH
John B

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb  3 13:15:34 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:15:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] question on file
In-Reply-To: <000601c86696$ea8e9700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000601c86696$ea8e9700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005e01c86699$275217a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I run into that too.  I think it's created when you ask for a folder to be
viewed as thumbnails.  I just said OK and nothing bad ever happened.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:59 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] question on file

While copying a directory to disk I kept getting a message about a file
having attached information that might be lost -- the file name was
thumbs.db. 

Anyone know what that is?

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 13:20:41 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:20:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] question on file
References: <000601c86696$ea8e9700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<005e01c86699$275217a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001001c86699$ee6d9e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

That makes sense Rocky, many of my folders are set to Thumbnails. 

Susan H. 


>I run into that too.  I think it's created when you ask for a folder to be
> viewed as thumbnails.  I just said OK and nothing bad ever happened.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 13:28:57 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] setup wizard
Message-ID: <000601c8669b$07a3f9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My Internet connection is cable. I only have one system hooked in. I need to take this system offline, reformat, and start over. I'm wondering if the Setup Wizard will move my internet connection settings to the other system? Am I going to get that lucky? I think I can set the other system up manually if necessary, but the wizard would certainly be easier. 

Susan H. 

From john at winhaven.net  Sun Feb  3 15:06:59 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:06:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton!
In-Reply-To: <005d01c86699$0817dc30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200802032106.m13L6mBs020293@databaseadvisors.com>

I'd guess you could work that out with Shamil, Lembit, Stuart, Andy, Darren,
Erwin, Helmut, A.D.Tejpal, Jon, Martin, Eoin, Steve Schapel, and the list
goes on :o)



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Feb  3 16:30:23 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:30:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] setup wizard
In-Reply-To: <000601c8669b$07a3f9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000601c8669b$07a3f9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003601c866b4$5e235760$0401a8c0@M90>

Susan,

If you don't already have one, get a router / firewall.  They range from $50
to $200.  The $50 end will probably suffice.  A router is the single most
important thing you can do to protect your system from viruses.  As a bonus,
with a router there will likely be no "internet setup".  I have had cable
internet for about 6 years and never had to use the silly disk to do
anything.  Plug in the router, plug your computer into the router and go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:29 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] setup wizard

My Internet connection is cable. I only have one system hooked in. I need to
take this system offline, reformat, and start over. I'm wondering if the
Setup Wizard will move my internet connection settings to the other system?
Am I going to get that lucky? I think I can set the other system up manually
if necessary, but the wizard would certainly be easier. 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 17:32:31 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:32:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] setup wizard
References: <000601c8669b$07a3f9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003601c866b4$5e235760$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001601c866bd$0d767be0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

We didn't use a disk to setup this one with cable Internet, but a technician 
did come out and set it up -- comes with service and apparently, they prefer 
it that way. I'm sure I can do it all manually by just checking the settings 
first, but I thought the wizard would make it easier.

Routers on my list, but I don't have one right now.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> If you don't already have one, get a router / firewall.  They range from 
> $50
> to $200.  The $50 end will probably suffice.  A router is the single most
> important thing you can do to protect your system from viruses.  As a 
> bonus,
> with a router there will likely be no "internet setup".  I have had cable
> internet for about 6 years and never had to use the silly disk to do
> anything.  Plug in the router, plug your computer into the router and go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:29 PM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] setup wizard
>
> My Internet connection is cable. I only have one system hooked in. I need 
> to
> take this system offline, reformat, and start over. I'm wondering if the
> Setup Wizard will move my internet connection settings to the other 
> system?
> Am I going to get that lucky? I think I can set the other system up 
> manually
> if necessary, but the wizard would certainly be easier.
>
> Susan H.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 10:12:24 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:12:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 7 Security Question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802040812i8b9e0al5e62fcaf97a3d828@mail.gmail.com>

IE 7 keeps popping up this message to the effect that a site is trying to
open the page "about:blank" in my Trusted Sites; do I want to allow it? How
in tarnation can I make this go away? I've tried lowering the settings to
medium and that's not enough. When I open my iGoogle page it asks me about 7
times (one for each gadget I've installed).

TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 10:09:57 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:09:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked
Message-ID: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My browser's been hi-jacked. Micro Trend's Hijack finds it and I can delete it, but it comes back. My system's a mess anyway, so I'm just going to reformat and start over -- it's time, without or without the hijack. 

What I'm wondering is this -- if I visit a site using a cookie password, can the hijack file see the cookie? 

Susan H. 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb  5 10:24:58 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:24:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked
In-Reply-To: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00bc01c86813$a7063b90$0401a8c0@M90>

>What I'm wondering is this -- if I visit a site using a cookie password,
can the hijack file see the cookie? 

YES!  "Hijacks" can be actual programs running on your computer and can do
anything they want including keyboard capture of passwords etc.  This is a
nasty issue and you should take care of it ASAP.  

INSTALL A ROUTER.  

INSTALL A ROUTER.  

INSTALL A ROUTER.  

I CANNOT SAY THAT ENOUGH.   

Routers cause this process called Network Address Translation which
basically hides your machine from the internet.  All by itself that prevents
a lot of nasty attacks.  I have read that a computer purchased from Best Buy
(or anyone else) and installed raw (unprotected) on the internet will be
infected within 30 minutes.


INSTALL A ROUTER.  

INSTALL A ROUTER.  

INSTALL A ROUTER.  

I CANNOT SAY THAT ENOUGH.   

Routers are not rocket science.  Buy it, plug it in to the cable modem, plug
your computer into the router.  DONE (for the majority of people).

If I hear that you have cleaned up your computer and NOT installed a router
I will...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:10 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked

My browser's been hi-jacked. Micro Trend's Hijack finds it and I can delete
it, but it comes back. My system's a mess anyway, so I'm just going to
reformat and start over -- it's time, without or without the hijack. 

What I'm wondering is this -- if I visit a site using a cookie password, can
the hijack file see the cookie? 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 10:31:54 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:31:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked
References: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00bc01c86813$a7063b90$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002d01c86814$b91cdbd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> If I hear that you have cleaned up your computer and NOT installed a 
> router
> I will...

====If you were on OT, you'd know this was on my list of new purchases, 
right after a new mop. :)

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb  5 11:01:32 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:01:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked
In-Reply-To: <002d01c86814$b91cdbd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne><00bc01c86813$a7063b90$0401a8c0@M90>
	<002d01c86814$b91cdbd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00c101c86818$c27fd340$0401a8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  Move it up on your list. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked

> If I hear that you have cleaned up your computer and NOT installed a 
> router I will...

====If you were on OT, you'd know this was on my list of new purchases,
right after a new mop. :)

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 12:29:18 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:29:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
Message-ID: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My copy of Outlook 2003 is hosed -- has been for a long time and I've even mentioned it here. I uninstalled and reinstalled, but didn't help. Basically, I can open it and see stuff, I just can't do anything. 

I installed it temporarily on a system that's not connected to the Internet, so I can't activate it, but thought I could use it - just writing, so need specific step instruction. I'm not trying to use it. Anyway, the Rules and Alert Wizard isn't available -- just isn't on the Tools menu. I can't imagine that not activating it could be the problem. 

Anyone have any clues? I tried a custom reinstall to make sure the wizard isn't an optional installation and didn't find anything. 

Susan H. 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  5 13:02:12 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:02:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked
In-Reply-To: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002401c86811$8ec27320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A0806E26A83D44BBBF85B0DD7886903B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Susan:

Yes, a site can view any of your cookies...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:10 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] hi-jacked

My browser's been hi-jacked. Micro Trend's Hijack finds it and I can delete
it, but it comes back. My system's a mess anyway, so I'm just going to
reformat and start over -- it's time, without or without the hijack. 

What I'm wondering is this -- if I visit a site using a cookie password, can
the hijack file see the cookie? 

Susan H. 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  5 13:07:50 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:07:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
In-Reply-To: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <63001DCE3C704E7AB2F35BF4320563C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Susan:

When Outlook reaches its limits things start to happen. It has a maximum
size and after that it has to start archiving and this adds some more issues
to the mix.

I have not tried it myself but a fellow tech, after his client had a series
of outlook problems decided to migrate everyone to Thunderbird. It is not
the perfect answer but it allows 2GB per directory and is can be networked
within an office. I have been told that it is very stable as well. Might be
worth investigating?

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question

My copy of Outlook 2003 is hosed -- has been for a long time and I've even
mentioned it here. I uninstalled and reinstalled, but didn't help.
Basically, I can open it and see stuff, I just can't do anything. 

I installed it temporarily on a system that's not connected to the Internet,
so I can't activate it, but thought I could use it - just writing, so need
specific step instruction. I'm not trying to use it. Anyway, the Rules and
Alert Wizard isn't available -- just isn't on the Tools menu. I can't
imagine that not activating it could be the problem. 

Anyone have any clues? I tried a custom reinstall to make sure the wizard
isn't an optional installation and didn't find anything. 

Susan H. 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  5 13:33:52 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:33:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphic name
In-Reply-To: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Does anyone know the name of the little graphic that is used, in addition,
to validate a person's user name and password, on many sites? 

The name has slipped my mind...

TIA
Jim 



From poc231st at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  5 15:39:57 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:39:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name
In-Reply-To: <ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl>


Hi allWe are instituting a file naming convention in our office.  

Name can not start with a number. 
can not have spaces 
can not have special characters except for underscore _.
dates have to be yyyymmdd yyyymm 
We are looking for a software package that would enable us to search through folders and list files that do not match our new criteria.  I thought I saw something about this recently on either AccessD or here.  
 
I tried google but haven't devised the best search criteria keep getting up around 500,000 or more.  
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
************************ Patti OConnor***********************
_________________________________________________________________
Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix".
http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

From poc231st at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  5 15:56:35 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:56:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IM's
In-Reply-To: <00c301c86418$33df8b20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F3131F6EE@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<00c301c86418$33df8b20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W31E49525A1210A206ECE21842C0@phx.gbl>


I have used Trillian for years.  I have friends all over with Aim, Aol, Yahoo, MSN and ICQ. Trillian works great and I don't have to have 4 different things open but still talk to anyone. 
I can log the conversation and save as a file on my harddrive.  See who is on. 
************************ Patti OConnor***********************> -----Original Message-----> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins> Sent: 31 January 2008 14:37> To: DBA Tech List> Subject: [dba-Tech] IM's>>> Do any of you still use IM's? If so, which ones and do you use them> productively? What are the security risks?>> Susan H.
_________________________________________________________________
Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!
http://biggestloser.msn.com/

From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Feb  5 16:03:13 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:03:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008c01c86842$e77c9190$b675b4b0$@rr.com>

Patti,

I do not know of any particular software, but you could write a program
using powershell, Access, or any other language to scan your file system and
use regular expressions to pick out the non-compliant file names.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Patti OConnor
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; pattioc at yahoo.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name


Hi allWe are instituting a file naming convention in our office.  

Name can not start with a number. 
can not have spaces 
can not have special characters except for underscore _.
dates have to be yyyymmdd yyyymm 
We are looking for a software package that would enable us to search through
folders and list files that do not match our new criteria.  I thought I saw
something about this recently on either AccessD or here.  
 
I tried google but haven't devised the best search criteria keep getting up
around 500,000 or more.  
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
************************ Patti OConnor***********************



From poc231st at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:09:17 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:09:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <200802011831.m11IVKjI024622@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <29f585dd0802010907m493f048cv7e4dc68105e68a6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200802011831.m11IVKjI024622@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W224F92859C5601228CDB5B842C0@phx.gbl>


I am not real happy about hearing this.  I mainly use my yahoo accounts because they work, look good and don't get the amount of spam my other accounts do.  MS messes up most of what they touch.  I haven't gotten into gmail but think I will after hearing this. The windows live looks ok but I haven't used it much.
 
My roadrunner mail was my main mail for many years but when they hooked up with aol about 6 years ago the garbage and spam went off the wall.  I wrote to them several times and got no response. 
So then I went to free hotmail because I could bring it into outlook and outlook express. New people can not unless they pay a fee. No way was I going to pay for hotmail while still having to pay roadrunner.  Then they would not let new people do The Spam on Hotmail got too much.  A  friend told me about yahoo and I liked it. Even though I can't bring it into outlook I don't care.  For the last 4 years I have used the Yahoo as my main account.  
 
************************ Patti OConnor***********************> From: john at winhaven.net> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:31:27 -0600> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS to buy Yahoo> > WOW is right!> > I get quite a number of trade rags and I don't recall seeing any rumors to> this intent.> > I'm not too familiar with MSN/Live/whatever they call it these days. I have> to use it for my MSDN login and that's about it. I use Yahoo all the time> though and I think their latest web mail and personal home page stuff is> great. I still use Google as my main search engine though.> > _______________________________________________> dba-Tech mailing list> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_________________________________________________________________
Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix".
http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

From poc231st at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:12:55 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:12:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name
In-Reply-To: <008c01c86842$e77c9190$b675b4b0$@rr.com>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl> 
	<008c01c86842$e77c9190$b675b4b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W42D7761C9D57B215C3BCB1842C0@phx.gbl>


Thanks Bobby
I really don't have time to write that and test it out right now.  We are talking millions of files to search through.  I was hoping there was a free or shareware item existing.  
If things get tough then I may have to 
Thanks************************ Patti OConnor***********************> From: bheid at sc.rr.com> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:03:13 -0500> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] file name> > Patti,> > I do not know of any particular software, but you could write a program> using powershell, Access, or any other language to scan your file system and> use regular expressions to pick out the non-compliant file names.> > Bobby> > -----Original Message-----> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Patti OConnor> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:40 PM> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; pattioc at yahoo.com> Subject: [dba-Tech] file name> > > Hi allWe are instituting a file naming convention in our office. > > Name can not start with a number. > can not have spaces > can not have special characters except for underscore _.> dates have to be yyyymmdd yyyymm > We are looking for a software package that would enable us to search through> folders and list files that do not match our new criteria. I thought I saw> something about this recently on either AccessD or here. > > I tried google but haven't devised the best search criteria keep getting up> around 500,000 or more. > Any help will be greatly appreciated.> Thanks> ************************ Patti OConnor***********************> > _______________________________________________> dba-Tech mailing list> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb  5 17:36:44 2008
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:36:44 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick help needed re Super Tuesday
Message-ID: <004701c8684f$f806cf00$6d01a8c0@Kathryn>

Someone posted a link a week or two ago where you did a poll like thing answering questions, then it showed who best fit your criteria. Bad description but someone should know what I mean. I need to take another look at that site before I make my final descision and I vote as soon as my husband gets home from work. Help!

--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net   

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Feb  5 17:41:29 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:41:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>,
	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47A980C9.6626.A80B488@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Agent Ransack - freeware from 
http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download.aspx

It includes a Wizard which helps you build the RegEx for the filenames.
(don't know quite how you'd build a regex for the dates though?)


On 5 Feb 2008 at 16:39, Patti OConnor wrote:

> 
> Hi allWe are instituting a file naming convention in our office.  
> 
> Name can not start with a number. 
> can not have spaces 
> can not have special characters except for underscore _.
> dates have to be yyyymmdd yyyymm 
> We are looking for a software package that would enable us to search through folders and list files that do not match our new criteria.  I thought I saw something about this recently on either AccessD or here.  
>  
> I tried google but haven't devised the best search criteria keep getting up around 500,000 or more.  
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> ************************ Patti OConnor***********************
> _________________________________________________________________
> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix".
> http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> 





From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Feb  5 17:50:52 2008
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:50:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick help needed re Super Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <004701c8684f$f806cf00$6d01a8c0@Kathryn>
Message-ID: <004c01c86851$f19f7ca0$6d01a8c0@Kathryn>

Sorry, wrong list. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: 05 Feb 2008 3:37 pm
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick help needed re Super Tuesday
> 
> Someone posted a link a week or two ago where you did a poll 
> like thing answering questions, then it showed who best fit 
> your criteria. Bad description but someone should know what I 
> mean. I need to take another look at that site before I make 
> my final descision and I vote as soon as my husband gets home 
> from work. Help!

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From poc231st at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  6 09:48:34 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:48:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] file name
In-Reply-To: <47A980C9.6626.A80B488@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>,
	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<BAY123-W13C1529B425960DB1EC246842C0@phx.gbl> 
	<47A980C9.6626.A80B488@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W3691E559F7F4529156F84E842D0@phx.gbl>


Thanks will check it out************************ Patti OConnor***********************> From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:41:29 +1000> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] file name> > Agent Ransack - freeware from > http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download.aspx> > It includes a Wizard which helps you build the RegEx for the filenames.> (don't know quite how you'd build a regex for the dates though?)> > > On 5 Feb 2008 at 16:39, Patti OConnor wrote:> > > > > Hi allWe are instituting a file naming convention in our office. > > > > Name can not start with a number. > > can not have spaces > > can not have special characters except for underscore _.> > dates have to be yyyymmdd yyyymm > > We are looking for a software package that would enable us to search through folders and list files that do not match our new criteria. I thought I saw something about this recently on either AccessD or here. > > > > I tried google but haven't devised the best search criteria keep getting up around 500,000 or more. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated.> > Thanks> > ************************ Patti OConnor***********************> > _________________________________________________________________> > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix".> > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> > _______________________________________________> > dba-Tech mailing list> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > > > > > _______________________________________________> dba-Tech mailing list> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 10:28:41 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:28:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
Message-ID: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 

From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Feb  6 10:35:31 2008
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:35:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005e01c868de$4b48cdb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>


ActiveX looks to be vulnerable and might be part of
your troubles:

http://www.codeproject.com/News.aspx?nwid=5902

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack


> Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. 
> What happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? 
> It's opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still 
> hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then 
> the hi-jack reclaims my browser.
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 10:55:34 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:55:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<005e01c868de$4b48cdb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <006501c868e1$1891fc90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Interesting -- my daughter uses my system and she has a MySpace account. 
:( In my case, this hijacker's got both IE and Firefox and the article 
suggests it's just an IE problem -- did you guys get that from the article?

Susan H.


>
> ActiveX looks to be vulnerable and might be part of
> your troubles:
>
> http://www.codeproject.com/News.aspx?nwid=5902
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:28 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
>
>
>> Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do.
>> What happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and 
>> reopen?
>> It's opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
>> hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then
>> the hi-jack reclaims my browser.
>>
>> Susan H.
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 14:47:19 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:47:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<63001DCE3C704E7AB2F35BF4320563C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <008801c86901$846a4560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I deleted  a bunch of old mail, but still no help. I'm going to archive a 
bunch later and see what happens.

Susan H.
> I have not tried it myself but a fellow tech, after his client had a 
> series
> of outlook problems decided to migrate everyone to Thunderbird. It is not
> the perfect answer but it allows 2GB per directory and is can be networked
> within an office. I have been told that it is very stable as well. Might 
> be
> worth investigating?



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 19:16:55 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:16:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <008801c86901$846a4560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<63001DCE3C704E7AB2F35BF4320563C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<008801c86901$846a4560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <80355322F333465581FF699A9492890D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Has anyone being having problems with IE7 not displaying? 

I believe it is something to do with the latest Flash update, as it seems to
only be affected by sites that have some Flash on the page. There are no
error messages just a blank screen... FF has no such issues and unless a
resolution is forth coming will have to set the default to FF.

Any thoughts?

Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 19:27:31 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:27:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Susan:

You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check the
following site out for how to access these parameters

HTH
Jim

PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What
happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's
opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the
hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb  6 19:35:14 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:35:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <005701c86929$b01c00e0$0401a8c0@M90>

>PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)

THANK YOU JIM!

I keep saying this and I keep getting ignored.  

I think some people just like their computer serving up spam in a botnet.
It makes them feel like the computer is contributing to the world in some
small way.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Hi Susan:

You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check the
following site out for how to access these parameters

HTH
Jim

PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What
happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's
opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the
hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 19:49:18 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:49:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001601c8692b$a8d17a70$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

What are the Run folders? I'm familiar with the registry and know how to 
change/add/delete, but I don't know what a Run folder is. Also, you didn't 
include a url, did you mean to?

Susan H.


> Hi Susan:
>
> You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check 
> the
> following site out for how to access these parameters



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 20:03:50 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:03:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <005701c86929$b01c00e0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<005701c86929$b01c00e0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <38CE9E97D2D44F818A5F088951772251@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I must be honest with you John in saying my hacked son-in-law received very
little sympathy from the rest of the clan and as my immediate friends are a
bunch of computer nerds, he ended up being the butt of many a joke.... He
may even become an urban legend... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

>PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)

THANK YOU JIM!

I keep saying this and I keep getting ignored.  

I think some people just like their computer serving up spam in a botnet.
It makes them feel like the computer is contributing to the world in some
small way.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Hi Susan:

You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check the
following site out for how to access these parameters

HTH
Jim

PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What
happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's
opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the
hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
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dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 20:05:33 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:05:33 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <001601c8692b$a8d17a70$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001601c8692b$a8d17a70$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <5640E912DC834EC7AEE8E3C28F25AF73@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Now look who is not being too sharp... Here is a link that will help:
http://www.cexx.org/startup.htm

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:49 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

What are the Run folders? I'm familiar with the registry and know how to 
change/add/delete, but I don't know what a Run folder is. Also, you didn't 
include a url, did you mean to?

Susan H.


> Hi Susan:
>
> You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check 
> the
> following site out for how to access these parameters

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 20:17:32 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:17:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com><001601c8692b$a8d17a70$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<5640E912DC834EC7AEE8E3C28F25AF73@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000401c8692f$9c0a01a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks Jim -- read it, went through it, but it didn't help -- but I'm glad I 
read it.

Susan H.


> Now look who is not being too sharp... Here is a link that will help:
> http://www.cexx.org/startup.htm



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb  6 20:33:13 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:33:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <38CE9E97D2D44F818A5F088951772251@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002201c868dd$56d722e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><171C1718E2E8474494AF816B426F9B9D@creativesystemdesigns.com><005701c86929$b01c00e0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<38CE9E97D2D44F818A5F088951772251@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c86931$c9fa7ed0$0401a8c0@M90>

What is very disturbing to me is that the cable companies don't merge the
cable modem part into a router and just provide a one stop solution to their
clients.  EVERYONE needs a firewall / router, and the cable companies should
step up and do it.  In one fell swoop a lot of this hijack nonsense would
just go away. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

I must be honest with you John in saying my hacked son-in-law received very
little sympathy from the rest of the clan and as my immediate friends are a
bunch of computer nerds, he ended up being the butt of many a joke.... He
may even become an urban legend... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

>PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between 
>the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)

THANK YOU JIM!

I keep saying this and I keep getting ignored.  

I think some people just like their computer serving up spam in a botnet.
It makes them feel like the computer is contributing to the world in some
small way.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Hi Susan:

You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check the
following site out for how to access these parameters

HTH
Jim

PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What
happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's
opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the
hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Feb  6 21:07:17 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:07:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <80355322F333465581FF699A9492890D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200802070307.m17377x8029401@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim,
If you care to send a link to a web site wear this occurs I would be glad to
test a few PCs here to see if I can replicate the problem.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 21:58:36 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:58:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <200802070307.m17377x8029401@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <80355322F333465581FF699A9492890D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200802070307.m17377x8029401@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <C69408DB9A9D4C6CA0576776E533E5B4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

That would be simple... One of the fellows from the Access list has the
following web site: (there are many... this one has flash...)

Greg Worthey
Worthey Solutions
www.worthey.com

...and this page does not show up on my version of IE7 but FF2 has no such
issue.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

Hi Jim,
If you care to send a link to a web site wear this occurs I would be glad to
test a few PCs here to see if I can replicate the problem.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  6 23:00:14 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:00:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphic name
In-Reply-To: <ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<ECD779EA1FD44DD68007B3D40FC3454D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FCEE017B235B48408EA2CA2AEDD80499@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For those that wish to know what the little validation graphic that appears
with a username and password that is designed to stop automated site
cracking methods... it is called a Captcha
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha).

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphic name

Hi All:

Does anyone know the name of the little graphic that is used, in addition,
to validate a person's user name and password, on many sites? 

The name has slipped my mind...

TIA
Jim 

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From djkr at msn.com  Thu Feb  7 03:55:27 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:55:27 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <C69408DB9A9D4C6CA0576776E533E5B4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV163B2B22BFAEC161A37144D22E0@phx.gbl>

That web site works ok here on IE7 - provided you allow ActiveX etc to run.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 February 2008 03:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying


Hi John:

That would be simple... One of the fellows from the Access list has the
following web site: (there are many... this one has flash...)

Greg Worthey
Worthey Solutions
www.worthey.com

..and this page does not show up on my version of IE7 but FF2 has no such
issue.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

Hi Jim,
If you care to send a link to a web site wear this occurs I would be glad to
test a few PCs here to see if I can replicate the problem.

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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Thu Feb  7 05:14:21 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:14:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
References: <80355322F333465581FF699A9492890D@creativesystemdesigns.com><200802070307.m17377x8029401@databaseadvisors.com>
	<C69408DB9A9D4C6CA0576776E533E5B4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002601c8697a$96e7a830$1800a8c0@s1800>

displays ok here with IE 7.0.5730.11

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying


> Hi John:
>
> That would be simple... One of the fellows from the Access list has the
> following web site: (there are many... this one has flash...)
>
> Greg Worthey
> Worthey Solutions
> www.worthey.com
>
> ...and this page does not show up on my version of IE7 but FF2 has no such
> issue.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:07 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
>
> Hi Jim,
> If you care to send a link to a web site wear this occurs I would be glad 
> to
> test a few PCs here to see if I can replicate the problem.
>
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From James at fcidms.com  Thu Feb  7 08:20:55 2008
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:20:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <005b01c86931$c9fa7ed0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008001c86994$a783fb20$800101df@fci.local>

When my latest DSL modem died (it's the third one to die since I signed up
for the service), I had to get a new one from Verizon and the new one has a
built-in 1 port router and firewall.  Since I already have a router/firewall
it wasn't really necessary for me but it shows there are some ISPs that are
doing something about the hijacking problem. 

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

What is very disturbing to me is that the cable companies don't merge the
cable modem part into a router and just provide a one stop solution to their
clients.  EVERYONE needs a firewall / router, and the cable companies should
step up and do it.  In one fell swoop a lot of this hijack nonsense would
just go away. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

I must be honest with you John in saying my hacked son-in-law received very
little sympathy from the rest of the clan and as my immediate friends are a
bunch of computer nerds, he ended up being the butt of many a joke.... He
may even become an urban legend... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

>PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between 
>the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)

THANK YOU JIM!

I keep saying this and I keep getting ignored.  

I think some people just like their computer serving up spam in a botnet.
It makes them feel like the computer is contributing to the world in some
small way.  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:28 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Hi Susan:

You could try check the 'Run' folders and setting in your Regedit. Check the
following site out for how to access these parameters

HTH
Jim

PS But before that, turn off your computer and attach a ROUTER between the
modem and your computer. (My son-in-law had his new XP installation hacked
in less than half an hour after he started it up without a Router attached.)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

Okay, I know that while hi-jacked, the hi-jackers can follow what I do. What
happens if I open the browser, reclaim my homepage, close and reopen? It's
opening to the homepage I want, not the hi-jack page, so am I still
hi-jacked or not? It stays that way until I reboot the system, and then the
hi-jack reclaims my browser. 

Susan H. 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb  7 08:28:53 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:28:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <008001c86994$a783fb20$800101df@fci.local>
References: <005b01c86931$c9fa7ed0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<008001c86994$a783fb20$800101df@fci.local>
Message-ID: <006c01c86995$c4747830$0401a8c0@M90>

James,

That is good to know.  Having a one port "router" works just fine as long as
the firewall is built-in.  I hope that it provided wireless but even if it
doesn't at least the firewall is now in place.  If you need more than that
then a gigabit switch is the real solution.  That way all of your computers
get gigabit access to each other and can access the internet as desired.

This just makes business sense for the ISPs.  They are the ones that are
having to battle botnets created from their client's computers.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

When my latest DSL modem died (it's the third one to die since I signed up
for the service), I had to get a new one from Verizon and the new one has a
built-in 1 port router and firewall.  Since I already have a router/firewall
it wasn't really necessary for me but it shows there are some ISPs that are
doing something about the hijacking problem. 

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

What is very disturbing to me is that the cable companies don't merge the
cable modem part into a router and just provide a one stop solution to their
clients.  EVERYONE needs a firewall / router, and the cable companies should
step up and do it.  In one fell swoop a lot of this hijack nonsense would
just go away. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack

I must be honest with you John in saying my hacked son-in-law received very
little sympathy from the rest of the clan and as my immediate friends are a
bunch of computer nerds, he ended up being the butt of many a joke.... He
may even become an urban legend... Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb  7 08:34:46 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:34:46 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV163B2B22BFAEC161A37144D22E0@phx.gbl>
References: <C69408DB9A9D4C6CA0576776E533E5B4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BLU103-DAV163B2B22BFAEC161A37144D22E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A473AB1814B249D4BFF64D8639E164F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John and Lembit:

It should run if ActiveX components are enabled and they are. It is
something more than that. 

I will continue to search....

Thanks
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:55 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

That web site works ok here on IE7 - provided you allow ActiveX etc to run.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 February 2008 03:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying


Hi John:

That would be simple... One of the fellows from the Access list has the
following web site: (there are many... this one has flash...)

Greg Worthey
Worthey Solutions
www.worthey.com

..and this page does not show up on my version of IE7 but FF2 has no such
issue.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

Hi Jim,
If you care to send a link to a web site wear this occurs I would be glad to
test a few PCs here to see if I can replicate the problem.

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb  7 08:53:13 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:53:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
Message-ID: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>

I have a daily scheduled backup that should be running every afternoon.  The
schedule says it should take place but there is only a single file in the
backup directory and it is dated the first day that I set these up.  I can
see a "month" in the backup utility and it shows daily events.  

Any clue why it wouldn't fire?
How do I just say "run this event"?  I can't seem to just say "do this
backup job".
Why are Microsoft's utilities so sucky?

8-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb  7 09:06:29 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:06:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001501c8699b$047da690$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hi John,

I use Ghost 9 - and it doesn't suck.

Look through all the tabs/pages/properties of your scheduled task - they are
not completely intuitive.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

I have a daily scheduled backup that should be running every afternoon.  The
schedule says it should take place but there is only a single file in the
backup directory and it is dated the first day that I set these up.  I can
see a "month" in the backup utility and it shows daily events.  

Any clue why it wouldn't fire?
How do I just say "run this event"?  I can't seem to just say "do this
backup job".
Why are Microsoft's utilities so sucky?

8-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb  7 09:37:45 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:37:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <001501c8699b$047da690$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<001501c8699b$047da690$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006e01c8699f$630f6910$0401a8c0@M90>

Dan,

I bought a backup package (acronis) but it only runs on "workstations".  I
am trying to do this on my Windows Home Server which is based on Windows
2003.  Once you step up to server products it is expected that you have
million dollar IT budgets and the utilities can cost 10 times as much. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

Hi John,

I use Ghost 9 - and it doesn't suck.

Look through all the tabs/pages/properties of your scheduled task - they are
not completely intuitive.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

I have a daily scheduled backup that should be running every afternoon.  The
schedule says it should take place but there is only a single file in the
backup directory and it is dated the first day that I set these up.  I can
see a "month" in the backup utility and it shows daily events.  

Any clue why it wouldn't fire?
How do I just say "run this event"?  I can't seem to just say "do this
backup job".
Why are Microsoft's utilities so sucky?

8-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Feb  7 09:57:57 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:57:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] another question on browser hi-jack
In-Reply-To: <008001c86994$a783fb20$800101df@fci.local>
Message-ID: <200802071557.m17FvrPJ024339@databaseadvisors.com>

AT&T is now supplying their customers with a 2Wire DSL modem/4 port
Router/Wireless Access Point combination that supports WPA2. The amazing
thing is that they actually have the thing set up pretty good right from the
start. The firewall is turned on (which many units don't do by default). I
rename the SSID to something understandable and change the wireless security
to WPA2. I've only had one unit go bad in about a year now. Actually went
out to set that one up yesterday. Took about 5 minutes.



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Feb  7 10:03:10 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:03:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <006e01c8699f$630f6910$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200802071603.m17G36HG026401@databaseadvisors.com>

There are some products starting to emerge that are directly aimed at
Windows Home Server (less cost than corp. server apps). I recently ran
across a server based security suite like this.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:38 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

Dan,

I bought a backup package (acronis) but it only runs on "workstations".  I
am trying to do this on my Windows Home Server which is based on Windows
2003.  Once you step up to server products it is expected that you have
million dollar IT budgets and the utilities can cost 10 times as much. 



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Feb  7 10:03:10 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:03:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200802071603.m17G38km026409@databaseadvisors.com>

Is this scheduled via window's scheduled tasks or the app's own scheduler?



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb  7 10:14:10 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:14:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <200802071603.m17G38km026409@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<200802071603.m17G38km026409@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <007401c869a4$79bcf9c0$0401a8c0@M90>

The apps own scheduler. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:03 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

Is this scheduled via window's scheduled tasks or the app's own scheduler?

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Feb  7 10:22:29 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:22:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <007401c869a4$79bcf9c0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200802071622.m17GMOGa002766@databaseadvisors.com>

OK, second question - if you look at the Windows task scheduler does the
apps schedule item show there too?

Some apps use their own interface but utilize the WTS (some Symantec
products, some CA products, etc).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:14 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

The apps own scheduler. 



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Feb  7 10:22:29 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:22:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
In-Reply-To: <C69408DB9A9D4C6CA0576776E533E5B4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200802071622.m17GMOlB002771@databaseadvisors.com>

Jim,
I can not replicate the issue.

If you haven't yet, the flash support center may help:
http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/

BTW
Nice example, one of the most clever flash inclusions I've seen.

John B
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:59 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

Hi John:

That would be simple... One of the fellows from the Access list has the
following web site: (there are many... this one has flash...)

Greg Worthey
Worthey Solutions
www.worthey.com

...and this page does not show up on my version of IE7 but FF2 has no such
issue.

Jim



From pharold at proftesting.com  Thu Feb  7 12:25:32 2008
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying
References: <002b01c86825$06870610$4b3a8343@SusanOne><63001DCE3C704E7AB2F35BF4320563C7@creativesystemdesigns.com><008801c86901$846a4560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<80355322F333465581FF699A9492890D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B129CD0@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Do you have Google task bar installed?  We've had a couple machines that
IE7 went haywire after task bar was added and cleared up after it was
uninstalled.


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:17 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE7 not dosplaying

Hi All:

Has anyone being having problems with IE7 not displaying? 

I believe it is something to do with the latest Flash update, as it
seems to only be affected by sites that have some Flash on the page.
There are no error messages just a blank screen... FF has no such issues
and unless a resolution is forth coming will have to set the default to
FF.

Any thoughts?

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb  7 15:36:19 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:36:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing
In-Reply-To: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I had been having some problems with the scheduler and had assumed it was
something to with my servers.... it may not be but from then on I have been
using the old NT 'AT' command to set time events. Also have been using the
SyncToy app but have found that the old command XCOPY performs a faster and
more complete backup. 

A friend at the local government office sent me links to a backup software
that they have been using:

Here's the URL to FreeNAS: http://www.freenas.org/
...and NasLite: http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php
...and backup - JaBack 7:
http://www.hiteksoftware.com/jaba/data-backup-software.htm

I can not speak from first hand experience for the above applications but
they sound good.

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Scheduled Backup not firing

I have a daily scheduled backup that should be running every afternoon.  The
schedule says it should take place but there is only a single file in the
backup directory and it is dated the first day that I set these up.  I can
see a "month" in the backup utility and it shows daily events.  

Any clue why it wouldn't fire?
How do I just say "run this event"?  I can't seem to just say "do this
backup job".
Why are Microsoft's utilities so sucky?

8-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From poc231st at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  7 16:03:36 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:03:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Foxpro dbf corrupt
In-Reply-To: <16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W1B74BE384F0A8AABC2A5E842E0@phx.gbl>


in Access there is compact and repair
how do you fix a foxpro dbf that comes up saying it is corrupt and I can't even view it.
 
we are trying to run a monthly update for the 1st time since the owner left so this is a bit of a problem
 
Thanks 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 17:00:07 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:00:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Foxpro dbf corrupt
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W1B74BE384F0A8AABC2A5E842E0@phx.gbl>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BAY123-W1B74BE384F0A8AABC2A5E842E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802071500s52714f59xc7aacc7c99c0810c@mail.gmail.com>

There's a company called dbf-doctor with a product that repairs corrupt dbf
files. I used to use it long ago, but haven't worked with dbfs lately so I
don't know how it is now. I hope that you have a backup of the original
file(s).

Arthur

On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Patti OConnor <poc231st at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> in Access there is compact and repair
> how do you fix a foxpro dbf that comes up saying it is corrupt and I can't
> even view it.
>
> we are trying to run a monthly update for the 1st time since the owner
> left so this is a bit of a problem
>
> Thanks
> ************************ Patti OConnor***********************
>


From poc231st at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  7 17:44:03 2008
From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:44:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Foxpro dbf corrupt
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802071500s52714f59xc7aacc7c99c0810c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BAY123-W1B74BE384F0A8AABC2A5E842E0@phx.gbl> 
	<29f585dd0802071500s52714f59xc7aacc7c99c0810c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W228CA3D8367858D5C7899E842E0@phx.gbl>


Thanks  will look into it
we are hoping the dbf is on the backup we have for last update
we shall see
thanks again************************ Patti OConnor***********************> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:00:07 -0500> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Foxpro dbf corrupt> > There's a company called dbf-doctor with a product that repairs corrupt dbf> files. I used to use it long ago, but haven't worked with dbfs lately so I> don't know how it is now. I hope that you have a backup of the original> file(s).> > Arthur> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Patti OConnor <poc231st at hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> > in Access there is compact and repair> > how do you fix a foxpro dbf that comes up saying it is corrupt and I can't> > even view it.> >> > we are trying to run a monthly update for the 1st time since the owner> > left so this is a bit of a problem> >> > Thanks> > ************************ Patti OConnor***********************> >> _______________________________________________> dba-Tech mailing list> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 11:21:21 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:21:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] shared folders question
Message-ID: <001801c86a77$086972c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My systems aren't networked and I just don't remember the answer to this one -- by default, are local folders public or private? 

Susan H. 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  8 11:21:24 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
Message-ID: <00f601c86a77$08192fe0$0401a8c0@M90>

I am trying to copy a 30 gig file from one computer to another.  Task
Manager shows it "bursting" transmission at 30-40% of network bandwidth for
10 or 20 seconds and then transferring at 3% or so for 10 minutes or so.
While it is bursting it shows "will complete in 10 minutes", when it trails
off it shows "will complete in 160 minutes".  Obviously I want this thing to
finish so I can copy the next file.

Any idea why I would be seeing something like this?

Actually I just took a bathroom break and while thinking about it I may have
come up with the answer.  Software raid 0.  The destination disk is a
software raid 0 drive using three different drives.  Perhaps the destination
computer is caching a bunch of data and then runs out of room to cache more
while it writes the data out to the Raid1 volume.  Which would answer the
question of why I would choose JBOD over RAID0.  The write calculations
required to do RAID0.

On a related note, I decided to test this theory.  I shut off the computer
and started fiddling with the drives.  I decided to just move the drives out
of my WHS box and place them in my SQL Server box and ran square up against
my power supply.  I have a 700 watt supply in there but when I added the
three drives into that box the system would turn on, then right back off.
When I disconnected the new drives the computer turned on just fine.  These
are old western digital caviar 250 gig drives, the kind that came out when
the SATA drives were just entering the market, with a normal power connector
and a SATA connector.  Anyway, my 700 watt supply just wouldn't handle the
load.

Sigh.

I now have 4 of these old WD drives just sitting there.  A terabyte of
identical drives and no home for them.  I guess I will tear open one of my
other boxes and see if I can get them mounted in some other system.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  8 11:30:29 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:30:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
Message-ID: <s7ac9fed.096@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Perhaps the drives or the controller can be set for (individual) delayed spin-up?
That could be done for SCSI drives. Not sure about IDE drives.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-02-2008 18:21 >>>
I am trying to copy a 30 gig file from one computer to another.  Task
Manager shows it "bursting" transmission at 30-40% of network bandwidth for
10 or 20 seconds and then transferring at 3% or so for 10 minutes or so.
While it is bursting it shows "will complete in 10 minutes", when it trails
off it shows "will complete in 160 minutes".  Obviously I want this thing to
finish so I can copy the next file.

Any idea why I would be seeing something like this?

Actually I just took a bathroom break and while thinking about it I may have
come up with the answer.  Software raid 0.  The destination disk is a
software raid 0 drive using three different drives.  Perhaps the destination
computer is caching a bunch of data and then runs out of room to cache more
while it writes the data out to the Raid1 volume.  Which would answer the
question of why I would choose JBOD over RAID0.  The write calculations
required to do RAID0.

On a related note, I decided to test this theory.  I shut off the computer
and started fiddling with the drives.  I decided to just move the drives out
of my WHS box and place them in my SQL Server box and ran square up against
my power supply.  I have a 700 watt supply in there but when I added the
three drives into that box the system would turn on, then right back off.
When I disconnected the new drives the computer turned on just fine.  These
are old western digital caviar 250 gig drives, the kind that came out when
the SATA drives were just entering the market, with a normal power connector
and a SATA connector.  Anyway, my 700 watt supply just wouldn't handle the
load.

Sigh.

I now have 4 of these old WD drives just sitting there.  A terabyte of
identical drives and no home for them.  I guess I will tear open one of my
other boxes and see if I can get them mounted in some other system.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  8 11:55:48 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:55:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
In-Reply-To: <s7ac9fed.096@cactus.dk>
References: <s7ac9fed.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00fa01c86a7b$d6cdc3b0$0401a8c0@M90>

The raid controller is supposed to do that for all the drives under its
control (8 drives).  I would have to check to see if that is enabled or not.
I think it is not up to the drives, but rather the controller. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:30 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts

Hi John

Perhaps the drives or the controller can be set for (individual) delayed
spin-up?
That could be done for SCSI drives. Not sure about IDE drives.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-02-2008 18:21 >>>
I am trying to copy a 30 gig file from one computer to another.  Task
Manager shows it "bursting" transmission at 30-40% of network bandwidth for
10 or 20 seconds and then transferring at 3% or so for 10 minutes or so.
While it is bursting it shows "will complete in 10 minutes", when it trails
off it shows "will complete in 160 minutes".  Obviously I want this thing to
finish so I can copy the next file.

Any idea why I would be seeing something like this?

Actually I just took a bathroom break and while thinking about it I may have
come up with the answer.  Software raid 0.  The destination disk is a
software raid 0 drive using three different drives.  Perhaps the destination
computer is caching a bunch of data and then runs out of room to cache more
while it writes the data out to the Raid1 volume.  Which would answer the
question of why I would choose JBOD over RAID0.  The write calculations
required to do RAID0.

On a related note, I decided to test this theory.  I shut off the computer
and started fiddling with the drives.  I decided to just move the drives out
of my WHS box and place them in my SQL Server box and ran square up against
my power supply.  I have a 700 watt supply in there but when I added the
three drives into that box the system would turn on, then right back off.
When I disconnected the new drives the computer turned on just fine.  These
are old western digital caviar 250 gig drives, the kind that came out when
the SATA drives were just entering the market, with a normal power connector
and a SATA connector.  Anyway, my 700 watt supply just wouldn't handle the
load.

Sigh.

I now have 4 of these old WD drives just sitting there.  A terabyte of
identical drives and no home for them.  I guess I will tear open one of my
other boxes and see if I can get them mounted in some other system.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Feb  8 12:09:50 2008
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:09:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] shared folders question
References: <001801c86a77$086972c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B129D91@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Unless they're shared they're private. 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:21 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] shared folders question

My systems aren't networked and I just don't remember the answer to this
one -- by default, are local folders public or private? 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 12:17:40 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:17:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] shared folders question
References: <001801c86a77$086972c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B129D91@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <006101c86a7e$e81eb810$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

That's what I thought -- it makes the most sense, but wanted to confirm. 
Thank you.

Susan H.


> Unless they're shared they're private.



From rustykh at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 12:39:33 2008
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:39:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
Message-ID: <124962.72737.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>

If you can't find a place for them in another system, there's always the option of buying external usb drive enclosures and using them as backup drives.  Maybe you have client that could use them on their system(s)?

----- Original Message ----
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 11:21:24 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts


I 
am 
trying 
to 
copy 
a 
30 
gig 
file 
from 
one 
computer 
to 
another.  
Task
Manager 
shows 
it 
"bursting" 
transmission 
at 
30-40% 
of 
network 
bandwidth 
for
10 
or 
20 
seconds 
and 
then 
transferring 
at 
3% 
or 
so 
for 
10 
minutes 
or 
so.
While 
it 
is 
bursting 
it 
shows 
"will 
complete 
in 
10 
minutes", 
when 
it 
trails
off 
it 
shows 
"will 
complete 
in 
160 
minutes".  
Obviously 
I 
want 
this 
thing 
to
finish 
so 
I 
can 
copy 
the 
next 
file.

Any 
idea 
why 
I 
would 
be 
seeing 
something 
like 
this?

Actually 
I 
just 
took 
a 
bathroom 
break 
and 
while 
thinking 
about 
it 
I 
may 
have
come 
up 
with 
the 
answer.  
Software 
raid 
0.  
The 
destination 
disk 
is 
a
software 
raid 
0 
drive 
using 
three 
different 
drives.  
Perhaps 
the 
destination
computer 
is 
caching 
a 
bunch 
of 
data 
and 
then 
runs 
out 
of 
room 
to 
cache 
more
while 
it 
writes 
the 
data 
out 
to 
the 
Raid1 
volume.  
Which 
would 
answer 
the
question 
of 
why 
I 
would 
choose 
JBOD 
over 
RAID0.  
The 
write 
calculations
required 
to 
do 
RAID0.

On 
a 
related 
note, 
I 
decided 
to 
test 
this 
theory.  
I 
shut 
off 
the 
computer
and 
started 
fiddling 
with 
the 
drives.  
I 
decided 
to 
just 
move 
the 
drives 
out
of 
my 
WHS 
box 
and 
place 
them 
in 
my 
SQL 
Server 
box 
and 
ran 
square 
up 
against
my 
power 
supply.  
I 
have 
a 
700 
watt 
supply 
in 
there 
but 
when 
I 
added 
the
three 
drives 
into 
that 
box 
the 
system 
would 
turn 
on, 
then 
right 
back 
off.
When 
I 
disconnected 
the 
new 
drives 
the 
computer 
turned 
on 
just 
fine.  
These
are 
old 
western 
digital 
caviar 
250 
gig 
drives, 
the 
kind 
that 
came 
out 
when
the 
SATA 
drives 
were 
just 
entering 
the 
market, 
with 
a 
normal 
power 
connector
and 
a 
SATA 
connector.  
Anyway, 
my 
700 
watt 
supply 
just 
wouldn't 
handle 
the
load.

Sigh.

I 
now 
have 
4 
of 
these 
old 
WD 
drives 
just 
sitting 
there.  
A 
terabyte 
of
identical 
drives 
and 
no 
home 
for 
them.  
I 
guess 
I 
will 
tear 
open 
one 
of 
my
other 
boxes 
and 
see 
if 
I 
can 
get 
them 
mounted 
in 
some 
other 
system.

John 
W. 
Colby
Colby 
Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  8 13:03:32 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:03:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
In-Reply-To: <124962.72737.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <124962.72737.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c86a85$4c964410$0401a8c0@M90>

Isn't your reply interesting.  See my original message below.

8-)

I
Think
Something
Happened
Between
You
And
Me 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts

If you can't find a place for them in another system, there's always the
option of buying external usb drive enclosures and using them as backup
drives.  Maybe you have client that could use them on their system(s)?

----- Original Message ----
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 11:21:24 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts


I
am
trying
to
copy
a
30
gig
file
from
one
computer
to
another.  
Task
Manager
shows
it
"bursting" 
transmission
at
30-40%
of
network
bandwidth
for
10
or
20
seconds
and
then
transferring
at
3%
or
so
for
10
minutes
or
so.
While
it
is
bursting
it
shows
"will
complete
in
10
minutes",
when
it
trails
off
it
shows
"will
complete
in
160
minutes".  
Obviously
I
want
this
thing
to
finish
so
I
can
copy
the
next
file.

Any
idea
why
I
would
be
seeing
something
like
this?

Actually
I
just
took
a
bathroom
break
and
while
thinking
about
it
I
may
have
come
up
with
the
answer.  
Software
raid
0.  
The
destination
disk
is
a
software
raid
0
drive
using
three
different
drives.  
Perhaps
the
destination
computer
is
caching
a
bunch
of
data
and
then
runs
out
of
room
to
cache
more
while
it
writes
the
data
out
to
the
Raid1
volume.  
Which
would
answer
the
question
of
why
I
would
choose
JBOD
over
RAID0.  
The
write
calculations
required
to
do
RAID0.

On
a
related
note,
I
decided
to
test
this
theory.  
I
shut
off
the
computer
and
started
fiddling
with
the
drives.  
I
decided
to
just
move
the
drives
out
of
my
WHS
box
and
place
them
in
my
SQL
Server
box
and
ran
square
up
against
my
power
supply.  
I
have
a
700
watt
supply
in
there
but
when
I
added
the
three
drives
into
that
box
the
system
would
turn
on,
then
right
back
off.
When
I
disconnected
the
new
drives
the
computer
turned
on
just
fine.  
These
are
old
western
digital
caviar
250
gig
drives,
the
kind
that
came
out
when
the
SATA
drives
were
just
entering
the
market,
with
a
normal
power
connector
and
a
SATA
connector.  
Anyway,
my
700
watt
supply
just
wouldn't
handle
the
load.

Sigh.

I
now
have
4
of
these
old
WD
drives
just
sitting
there.  
A
terabyte
of
identical
drives
and
no
home
for
them.  
I
guess
I
will
tear
open
one
of
my
other
boxes
and
see
if
I
can
get
them
mounted
in
some
other
system.

John
W. 
Colby
Colby
Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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mailing
list
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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 13:21:24 2008
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:21:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
Message-ID: <863105.76808.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

That's a strange one.  I wonder if this reply will do the same thing.

----- Original Message ----
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 1:03:32 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts


Isn't 
your 
reply 
interesting.  
See 
my 
original 
message 
below.

8-)

I
Think
Something
Happened
Between
You
And
Me 


John 
W. 
Colby
Colby 
Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original 
Message-----
From: 
dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
On 
Behalf 
Of 
Rusty 
Hammond
Sent: 
Friday, 
February 
08, 
2008 
1:40 
PM
To: 
Discussion 
of 
Hardware 
and 
Software 
issues
Subject: 
Re: 
[dba-Tech] 
why 
oh 
why 
- 
big 
copy 
bursts

If 
you 
can't 
find 
a 
place 
for 
them 
in 
another 
system, 
there's 
always 
the
option 
of 
buying 
external 
usb 
drive 
enclosures 
and 
using 
them 
as 
backup
drives.  
Maybe 
you 
have 
client 
that 
could 
use 
them 
on 
their 
system(s)?

dba-Tech 
mailing 
list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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http://www.databaseadvisors.com






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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb  8 13:39:16 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:39:16 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
In-Reply-To: <00f601c86a77$08192fe0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <00f601c86a77$08192fe0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F0B27FF2D2344772B876C1AAF8459C87@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Is this selling yet? http://www.gizmag.com/go/5396/

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts

I am trying to copy a 30 gig file from one computer to another.  Task
Manager shows it "bursting" transmission at 30-40% of network bandwidth for
10 or 20 seconds and then transferring at 3% or so for 10 minutes or so.
While it is bursting it shows "will complete in 10 minutes", when it trails
off it shows "will complete in 160 minutes".  Obviously I want this thing to
finish so I can copy the next file.

Any idea why I would be seeing something like this?

Actually I just took a bathroom break and while thinking about it I may have
come up with the answer.  Software raid 0.  The destination disk is a
software raid 0 drive using three different drives.  Perhaps the destination
computer is caching a bunch of data and then runs out of room to cache more
while it writes the data out to the Raid1 volume.  Which would answer the
question of why I would choose JBOD over RAID0.  The write calculations
required to do RAID0.

On a related note, I decided to test this theory.  I shut off the computer
and started fiddling with the drives.  I decided to just move the drives out
of my WHS box and place them in my SQL Server box and ran square up against
my power supply.  I have a 700 watt supply in there but when I added the
three drives into that box the system would turn on, then right back off.
When I disconnected the new drives the computer turned on just fine.  These
are old western digital caviar 250 gig drives, the kind that came out when
the SATA drives were just entering the market, with a normal power connector
and a SATA connector.  Anyway, my 700 watt supply just wouldn't handle the
load.

Sigh.

I now have 4 of these old WD drives just sitting there.  A terabyte of
identical drives and no home for them.  I guess I will tear open one of my
other boxes and see if I can get them mounted in some other system.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  8 13:51:29 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:51:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts
In-Reply-To: <F0B27FF2D2344772B876C1AAF8459C87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00f601c86a77$08192fe0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<F0B27FF2D2344772B876C1AAF8459C87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01c86a8b$ff816e50$0401a8c0@M90>

Well  I bought one yesterday.  They assured me that it would allow my home
office network to transmit data a million times faster. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:39 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts

Hi John:

Is this selling yet? http://www.gizmag.com/go/5396/

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] why oh why - big copy bursts

I am trying to copy a 30 gig file from one computer to another.  Task
Manager shows it "bursting" transmission at 30-40% of network bandwidth for
10 or 20 seconds and then transferring at 3% or so for 10 minutes or so.
While it is bursting it shows "will complete in 10 minutes", when it trails
off it shows "will complete in 160 minutes".  Obviously I want this thing to
finish so I can copy the next file.

Any idea why I would be seeing something like this?

Actually I just took a bathroom break and while thinking about it I may have
come up with the answer.  Software raid 0.  The destination disk is a
software raid 0 drive using three different drives.  Perhaps the destination
computer is caching a bunch of data and then runs out of room to cache more
while it writes the data out to the Raid1 volume.  Which would answer the
question of why I would choose JBOD over RAID0.  The write calculations
required to do RAID0.

On a related note, I decided to test this theory.  I shut off the computer
and started fiddling with the drives.  I decided to just move the drives out
of my WHS box and place them in my SQL Server box and ran square up against
my power supply.  I have a 700 watt supply in there but when I added the
three drives into that box the system would turn on, then right back off.
When I disconnected the new drives the computer turned on just fine.  These
are old western digital caviar 250 gig drives, the kind that came out when
the SATA drives were just entering the market, with a normal power connector
and a SATA connector.  Anyway, my 700 watt supply just wouldn't handle the
load.

Sigh.

I now have 4 of these old WD drives just sitting there.  A terabyte of
identical drives and no home for them.  I guess I will tear open one of my
other boxes and see if I can get them mounted in some other system.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Feb  8 14:39:52 2008
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:39:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] question on file
In-Reply-To: <001001c86699$ee6d9e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000601c86696$ea8e9700$4b3a8343@SusanOne><005e01c86699$275217a0$
	0301a8c0@HAL9005> <001001c86699$ee6d9e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330193E656@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>


If it says "yank attached thumbnails" it might hurt. (Hey, at least I
waited till Friday)
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] question on file

That makes sense Rocky, many of my folders are set to Thumbnails. 

Susan H. 


>I run into that too.  I think it's created when you ask for a folder to
be
> viewed as thumbnails.  I just said OK and nothing bad ever happened.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb  8 20:05:20 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:05:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rar vs winzip
Message-ID: <010901c86ac0$39accc30$0401a8c0@M90>

I am zipping up some of my big databases in order to get a backup without
the size.  I have always used Winzip but also have RAR installed so I
decided to try both.  I have a quad core on the SQL Server, and it turns out
that Winzip uses a bit of each core but mostly one.  RAR OTOH seems to use
LOTS of all 4 cores, and compresses about 4 times faster than Winzip, I
assume as a result of more efficient usage of the additional processing
power in the additional cores.

OTOH you can winzip and do other things.  RAR tends to suck about 80% of all
4 cores so it is pretty slow doing anything else.  But if you need to zip
something up as quickly as possible then RAR seems to be the one to use.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 11 01:28:49 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:28:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Feb 11 01:44:54 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:44:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90><16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277150@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Euh, there where no updates from MS..., tomorrow is patch Tuesday.

I always auto update workstations and since a year or so, also
servers...
I don't have the time anymore to do this al manually, and it's more
secure, viruses and Trojans are very nasty these days...

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially
assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the
clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the
event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the
server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and
especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active
directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 11 03:26:25 2008
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:26:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277150@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90><16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277150@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net>

PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then 
Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about 
v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading 
(in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know 
a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple 
partitions &c?

PB


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Feb 11 03:48:50 2008
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:48:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Try
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.

Helmut







-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
Brawley
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
(in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
partitions &c?

PB
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Feb 11 04:06:26 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:06:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277152@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Acronis is great. There is also VCOM (cheaper), sometimes works great
but also had horror stories with it.

I also must say that Acronis sometimes refuses to resize a partition
with a bad block, it's a company policy not to resize when bad blocks. I
then use VCOM because VCOM does not care about bad blocks. Which is not
good, but it does the trick.

Same comment on Powerquest/Symantec. I cant use Symantec (v8) on a lot
of computers because half of de cd drives are not supported. Is probably
a simple driver thing but in the meanwhile it caused a lot of grieve.

But Acronis is the best and most expensive. But really love them.

I did had some XP boot probs with Acronis (and even worse with vcom). In
case of Acronis a simple bootrepair was sufficient.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Kotsch
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

Try
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use
their
backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.

Helmut







-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
Brawley
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
(in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
partitions &c?

PB
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Feb 11 04:25:59 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:25:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277152@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <002801c86c98$803a1ca0$1800a8c0@s1800>

I am very happy with Acronis, both - the partition manager (Disk Director) 
and TrueImage.
the Disk Director saved me recently. I had used the XP diskmanager to change 
teh drive letter
of some partitions, which it did without any questions.
But then guess what: it had not only changed the drive letter but also 
erased the partitions.  :-(
Acronis disk director got all the data back for me.  :-)

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Acronis is great. There is also VCOM (cheaper), sometimes works great
> but also had horror stories with it.
>
> I also must say that Acronis sometimes refuses to resize a partition
> with a bad block, it's a company policy not to resize when bad blocks. I
> then use VCOM because VCOM does not care about bad blocks. Which is not
> good, but it does the trick.
>
> Same comment on Powerquest/Symantec. I cant use Symantec (v8) on a lot
> of computers because half of de cd drives are not supported. Is probably
> a simple driver thing but in the meanwhile it caused a lot of grieve.
>
> But Acronis is the best and most expensive. But really love them.
>
> I did had some XP boot probs with Acronis (and even worse with vcom). In
> case of Acronis a simple bootrepair was sufficient.
>
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
> Kotsch
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> Try
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>
> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use
> their
> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
> Brawley
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
> partitions &c?
>
> PB
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Feb 11 06:11:39 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:11:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90><16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003801c86ca7$42207220$0401a8c0@M90>

I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Mon Feb 11 06:45:18 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:45:18 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

I spent a day playing with Group Policies in Active Directory, and there
are all sorts of options for Windows Update via WSUS... You can tell it
to install everything that doesn't require a reboot without asking the
users, or to install the recommended updates as well as the security
updates. All great for me, as it means I don't have to go around 175
computers and run windows update any more :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 11 February 2008 12:12
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would
cause my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work
done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially
assumed there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of
the clocks had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the
event log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the
server.... Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on;
and especially not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active
directory and these effects rippled through to each station and each
station was auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Feb 11 08:35:33 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:35:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>

Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active Directory,
in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that I have never
looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to download and tell
me that it is available.  I then do the install and reboot when it is
convenient to me.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I spent a day playing with Group Policies in Active Directory, and there are
all sorts of options for Windows Update via WSUS... You can tell it to
install everything that doesn't require a reboot without asking the users,
or to install the recommended updates as well as the security updates. All
great for me, as it means I don't have to go around 175 computers and run
windows update any more :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 11 February 2008 12:12
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially
assumed there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of
the clocks had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the
event log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the
server.... Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on;
and especially not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active
directory and these effects rippled through to each station and each
station was auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Feb 11 12:38:47 2008
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:38:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>

Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is Sort Of Hands 
On - even close?
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active Directory,
> in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that I have never
> looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to download and tell
> me that it is available.  I then do the install and reboot when it is
> convenient to me.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>   


From drboz at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 11 12:48:43 2008
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:48:43 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c86cde$ba7f17d0$6501a8c0@Don>

Small Office / Home Office

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


> Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is Sort Of Hands
> On - even close?
> Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>> Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active 
>> Directory,
>> in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that I have never
>> looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to download and 
>> tell
>> me that it is available.  I then do the install and reboot when it is
>> convenient to me.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Feb 11 12:51:30 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:51:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>

LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 

VERY hands on!  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is Sort Of Hands On
- even close?
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active 
> Directory, in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that 
> I have never looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to 
> download and tell me that it is available.  I then do the install and 
> reboot when it is convenient to me.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>   
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Feb 11 13:07:41 2008
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:07:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFF10@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

I think Small Office/Home Office

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
> 
> Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is 
> Sort Of Hands 
> On - even close?
> Tina
> 
> jwcolby wrote:
> > Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use 
> Active Directory,
> > in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that 
> I have never
> > looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to 
> download and tell
> > me that it is available.  I then do the install and reboot 
> when it is
> > convenient to me.
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> >   
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 11 14:13:54 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:13:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <003801c86ca7$42207220$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<003801c86ca7$42207220$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <988CEA44DF1546BCAC49E44AE5184852@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ahh, you understand... I had to work all Sunday to fix the damage caused the
update.... To say the least I am not amused. MS should have a setting when
an update will require a reboot it either does not install or not perform a
reboot until manually confirmed. Servers sometimes can not just be rebooted
without causing damage.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 11 14:16:55 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:16:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <58A43410DD984ACEA527DFB3EBC8AFB1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Jon:

This is excellent news... Though it should not be difficult to find this
setting any tips would be greatly appreciated.

You are brilliant.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I spent a day playing with Group Policies in Active Directory, and there
are all sorts of options for Windows Update via WSUS... You can tell it
to install everything that doesn't require a reboot without asking the
users, or to install the recommended updates as well as the security
updates. All great for me, as it means I don't have to go around 175
computers and run windows update any more :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 11 February 2008 12:12
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would
cause my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work
done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially
assumed there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of
the clocks had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the
event log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the
server.... Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on;
and especially not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active
directory and these effects rippled through to each station and each
station was auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Feb 11 14:15:33 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:15:33 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <988CEA44DF1546BCAC49E44AE5184852@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90><16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com><63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com><003801c86ca7$42207220$0401a8c0@M90>
	<988CEA44DF1546BCAC49E44AE5184852@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c86cea$dbaa7e70$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Start, Run, GPedit.msc, in the Local Computer Policy (top half), go to
Administrative Templates, Windows Components, then Windows Updates. In there
are the policies I was talking about, you can set it to not install the ones
that will require a reboot but install the rest, also loads of other things.

There's an explanation page for each one in there as well, so you know
what's going on.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 11 February 2008 20:14
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Ahh, you understand... I had to work all Sunday to fix the damage caused the
update.... To say the least I am not amused. MS should have a setting when
an update will require a reboot it either does not install or not perform a
reboot until manually confirmed. Servers sometimes can not just be rebooted
without causing damage.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Feb 11 14:22:17 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:22:17 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <58A43410DD984ACEA527DFB3EBC8AFB1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
	<58A43410DD984ACEA527DFB3EBC8AFB1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c86ceb$cc45f3f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Can I forward that to my boss? Pay reviews next month :-P


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 11 February 2008 20:17
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Jon:

This is excellent news... Though it should not be difficult to find this
setting any tips would be greatly appreciated.

You are brilliant.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I spent a day playing with Group Policies in Active Directory, and there are
all sorts of options for Windows Update via WSUS... You can tell it to
install everything that doesn't require a reboot without asking the users,
or to install the recommended updates as well as the security updates. All
great for me, as it means I don't have to go around 175 computers and run
windows update any more :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 11 February 2008 12:12
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially
assumed there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of
the clocks had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the
event log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the
server.... Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on;
and especially not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active
directory and these effects rippled through to each station and each
station was auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Feb 11 16:34:17 2008
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90><47B09637.20
	306@torchlake.com> <006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com>

Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO 
too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
Best regards,
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 
>
> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is Sort Of Hands On
> - even close?
> Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active 
>> Directory, in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though that 
>> I have never looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell it to 
>> download and tell me that it is available.  I then do the install and 
>> reboot when it is convenient to me.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>   
>>     
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Feb 11 16:43:37 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:43:37 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90><47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>
	<006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c86cff$8adbcca0$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO
too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
Best regards,
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 
>
> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Okay, what is SOHO?  I haven't figured it out unless it is Sort Of 
> Hands On
> - even close?
> Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> Well... I hate to admit it but I am a SOHO and I don't use Active 
>> Directory, in fact i use a simple workgroup.  I must admit though 
>> that I have never looked at tweaking the Windows update. I just tell 
>> it to download and tell me that it is available.  I then do the 
>> install and reboot when it is convenient to me.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>   
>>     
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 11 17:03:11 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:03:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <002e01c86cea$dbaa7e70$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <006d01c86999$2a8fd080$0401a8c0@M90>
	<16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<63EA15D282DA4E3D84C3171ACDD81F44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<003801c86ca7$42207220$0401a8c0@M90>
	<988CEA44DF1546BCAC49E44AE5184852@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<002e01c86cea$dbaa7e70$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <D39FAE175387475FBF7AA1F36977DE8E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jon:

Thanks for the information... it will be applied shortly. 

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:16 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Start, Run, GPedit.msc, in the Local Computer Policy (top half), go to
Administrative Templates, Windows Components, then Windows Updates. In there
are the policies I was talking about, you can set it to not install the ones
that will require a reboot but install the rest, also loads of other things.

There's an explanation page for each one in there as well, so you know
what's going on.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 11 February 2008 20:14
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Ahh, you understand... I had to work all Sunday to fix the damage caused the
update.... To say the least I am not amused. MS should have a setting when
an update will require a reboot it either does not install or not perform a
reboot until manually confirmed. Servers sometimes can not just be rebooted
without causing damage.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

I stopped doing it automatically (the install part) because it would cause
my SQL Server to reboot right in the middle of trying to get work done. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


This morning all the computers and router was off-line. I initially assumed
there had been a power outage but then became aware that none of the clocks
had suffered the same fate.

It took a while to figure out what had happen but after checking the event
log it was noted that a MS auto update had gone through on the server....
Yes, I know what you are going to say; "Never auto update on; and especially
not server."

There had been an auto update and the update affected the active directory
and these effects rippled through to each station and each station was
auto-rebooted.

So never have MS auto-update on...

Jim   

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb 11 17:25:56 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:25:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters>

A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most expensive).

http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

Try
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.

Helmut







-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
Brawley
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
(in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
partitions &c?

PB
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 18:38:01 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:38:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
Message-ID: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I've been asked to write an article on Excel charts, aimed at IT professionals. The charts are no problem, but I'd like to see how IT professionals use them. If you fit that category and you've got a few Excel charts I can review, please let me know. 

Thanks!
Susan Harkins

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb 11 18:57:48 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:57:48 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
In-Reply-To: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004201c86d12$499c2d30$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Susan - do a search on 'Excel Dashboards' for numerous examples.  I can't
really think of any unique 'method' by which IT would use Excel Charts -
just the content that is specific to what they do.  

Some guesses:

% Uptime
TCO
Anticipated future replacement costs month by month
Internal Customer Satisfaction 
Asset placement by value (who gets the best toys?)
Maintenance time by asset class or type

HTH!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:38 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts

I've been asked to write an article on Excel charts, aimed at IT
professionals. The charts are no problem, but I'd like to see how IT
professionals use them. If you fit that category and you've got a few Excel
charts I can review, please let me know. 

Thanks!
Susan Harkins
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 19:00:58 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:00:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
References: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004201c86d12$499c2d30$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000e01c86d12$bc0d0d30$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks Dan! BTW, what's TCO?

Susan H.


> Susan - do a search on 'Excel Dashboards' for numerous examples.  I can't
> really think of any unique 'method' by which IT would use Excel Charts -
> just the content that is specific to what they do.
>
> Some guesses:
>
> % Uptime
> TCO
> Anticipated future replacement costs month by month
> Internal Customer Satisfaction
> Asset placement by value (who gets the best toys?)
> Maintenance time by asset class or type
>
> HTH!
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:38 PM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
>
> I've been asked to write an article on Excel charts, aimed at IT
> professionals. The charts are no problem, but I'd like to see how IT
> professionals use them. If you fit that category and you've got a few 
> Excel
> charts I can review, please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan Harkins
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 11 19:13:42 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:13:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.

Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, networks,
portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML file
can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
from the image.

I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to go
to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
anywhere on the network. 

Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right and
it is sledge hammer simple. 

You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm         

The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a drive
to a larger size.

The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast rollout. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most expensive).

http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

Try
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.

Helmut







-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
Brawley
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
(in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
partitions &c?

PB
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Feb 11 19:12:49 2008
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:12:49 +1100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
References: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001b01c86d14$631122a0$6401a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Susan - the only example I can suggest is the Gantt chart which I know lots 
of IT people use for project management. (Having said that, most of them 
also use Microsoft Project) But for those who don't know Project, then the 
concept of the chart is to estimate and track use of time and resources for 
an IT development project, from analysis/design to implementation/testing.
hth
Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts


> I've been asked to write an article on Excel charts, aimed at IT 
> professionals. The charts are no problem, but I'd like to see how IT 
> professionals use them. If you fit that category and you've got a few 
> Excel charts I can review, please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan Harkins
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 19:14:08 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:14:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts
In-Reply-To: <000e01c86d12$bc0d0d30$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <001701c86d0f$878beb10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004201c86d12$499c2d30$0300a8c0@danwaters>
	<000e01c86d12$bc0d0d30$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802111714j16f4a1e6x834ac6185651f89@mail.gmail.com>

Total cost of ownership (i.e. Linux is free, Linux support costs, Linux
gurus cost, TCO is $xxx).

On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dan! BTW, what's TCO?
>
> Susan H.
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Feb 11 19:58:50 2008
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:58:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <003c01c86cff$8adbcca0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90><47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>	<006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>	<47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com>
	<003c01c86cff$8adbcca0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <47B0FD5A.7020503@torchlake.com>

Jon,
Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:
> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>
>
> Jon 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO
> too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
> Best regards,
> Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 
>>
>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb 11 21:47:00 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:47:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <47B0FD5A.7020503@torchlake.com>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90><47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>	<006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>	<47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com><003c01c86cff$8adbcca0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<47B0FD5A.7020503@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <004601c86d29$eca54540$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I'll guess!

SME = Smart Microsoft Engineer


It's just a guess . . .
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Jon,
Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:
> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>
>
> Jon 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO
> too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
> Best regards,
> Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 
>>
>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb 11 22:21:29 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:21:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <004601c86d29$eca54540$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>,
	<47B0FD5A.7020503@torchlake.com>,
	<004601c86d29$eca54540$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <47B1AB69.22965.2A672F1F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Small to Medium Enterprise - the next level above SOHO. ( aka Micro Enterprise)

The terms have slightly different definitions around the world.

For instance:

In Australia and New Zealand, Enteeprises are generally grouped as:
Micro  < 5 people
Small  < 20 
Medium < 200

the EU definitions of Enterprises are:
Micro (SOHO) < 10 people
Small  < 50 
Medium < 250

In Canada, they use
Micro <5
Small <50 (service oriented) or 100 (goods production)
Medium < 500


On 11 Feb 2008 at 21:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> I'll guess!
> 
> SME = Smart Microsoft Engineer
> 
> 
> It's just a guess . . .
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
> 
> Jon,
> Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
> Tina
> 
> Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
> >
> >
> > Jon 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> > Fields
> > Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
> >
> > Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO
> > too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
> > Best regards,
> > Tina
> >
> > jwcolby wrote:
> >   
> >> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office. 
> >>
> >> VERY hands on!  ;-)
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>     
> >
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From drboz at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 11 22:13:14 2008
From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:13:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet><003901c86cbb$5c10d3f0$0401a8c0@M90><47B09637.20306@torchlake.com>	<006001c86cdf$1ddeb2e0$0401a8c0@M90>	<47B0CD69.3030001@torchlake.com><003c01c86cff$8adbcca0$0200a8c0@jt2b><47B0FD5A.7020503@torchlake.com>
	<004601c86d29$eca54540$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <018201c86d2d$977e4590$6501a8c0@Don>

Or perhaps... Subject Matter Expert

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


> I'll guess!
>
> SME = Smart Microsoft Engineer
>
>
> It's just a guess . . .
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Jon,
> Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
> Tina
>
> Jon Tydda wrote:
>> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>>
>> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a SOHO
>> too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now.
>> Best regards,
>> Tina
>>
>> jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office.
>>>
>>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Tue Feb 12 03:12:27 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:12:27 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B6@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

"Small/Medium Enterprise" apparently. More than 100 employees :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: 12 February 2008 01:59
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


Jon,
Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:
> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a 
> SOHO too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now. Best 
> regards, Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office.
>>
>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>
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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Tue Feb 12 03:12:52 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:12:52 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B7@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

It's good but it's not right. And it's going on the CV :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 12 February 2008 03:47
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I'll guess!

SME = Smart Microsoft Engineer


It's just a guess . . .
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Jon,
Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:
> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a 
> SOHO too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now. Best 
> regards, Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office.
>>
>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Tue Feb 12 05:18:10 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:18:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters>
	<D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>

"> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout. "

what are SID capabilities, please?

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>
> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
> took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, networks,
> portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
> strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
> into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
> compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML 
> file
> can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
> from the image.
>
> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to 
> go
> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
> anywhere on the network.
>
> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right and
> it is sledge hammer simple.
>
> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>
> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a 
> drive
> to a larger size.
>
> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
> Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most 
> expensive).
>
> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> Try
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>
> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
> Brawley
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
> partitions &c?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Tue Feb 12 05:20:07 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:20:07 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B9@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

Security ID's in Windows. It's the information on each account used on a
network or domain that gives an account an individual reference, even if
it's deleted and another one created with the same name. 


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
Soobik
Sent: 12 February 2008 11:18
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


"> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only
failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
> rollout. "

what are SID capabilities, please?

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to 
> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>
> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long

> it took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, 
> networks, portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple 
> of hot imaging strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It 
> can split backups into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses 
> various level of compression. As well as a data file an XML file is 
> created and the XML file can be used to specify whether all the data 
> or specific data is recovered from the image.
>
> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me 
> to
> go
> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive
to
> anywhere on the network.
>
> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right

> and it is sledge hammer simple.
>
> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>
> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a
> drive
> to a larger size.
>
> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only 
> failing would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a 
> maulticast rollout.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> A site I like to read when selecting software is 
> www.toptenreviews.com. Acronis True Image is at the top of their list 
> (and not the most expensive).
>
> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut 
> Kotsch
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> Try http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>
> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use 
> their backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter 
> Brawley
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then 
> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about 
> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other 
> leading (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does 
> anyone know a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, 
> multiple partitions &c?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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>
>
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Tue Feb 12 05:54:27 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:54:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B9@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <00e301c86d6e$04ff4ed0$1800a8c0@s1800>

thank you, Jon,
I guess I should not have asked - now more confused than before.
anyway, I guess I dont need to understand that if I dont work with big 
networks and servers and such.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon.tydda at alcontrol.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Security ID's in Windows. It's the information on each account used on a
> network or domain that gives an account an individual reference, even if
> it's deleted and another one created with the same name.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
> Soobik
> Sent: 12 February 2008 11:18
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> "> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only
> failing
>> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
>> rollout. "
>
> what are SID capabilities, please?
>
> thank you
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
>> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
>> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>>
>> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long
>
>> it took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across,
>> networks, portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple
>> of hot imaging strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It
>> can split backups into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses
>> various level of compression. As well as a data file an XML file is
>> created and the XML file can be used to specify whether all the data
>> or specific data is recovered from the image.
>>
>> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me
>> to
>> go
>> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive
> to
>> anywhere on the network.
>>
>> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right
>
>> and it is sledge hammer simple.
>>
>> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>>
>> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a
>> drive
>> to a larger size.
>>
>> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only
>> failing would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a
>> maulticast rollout.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> A site I like to read when selecting software is
>> www.toptenreviews.com. Acronis True Image is at the top of their list
>> (and not the most expensive).
>>
>> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
>> Kotsch
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> Try http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>>
>> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use
>> their backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>>
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
>> Brawley
>> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
>> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>>
>> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
>> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
>> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other
>> leading (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does
>> anyone know a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs,
>> multiple partitions &c?
>>
>> PB
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> 11.02.2008 17:28
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>>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb 12 06:35:25 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:35:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
In-Reply-To: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B7@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2B7@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <008c01c86d73$be5d6ec0$0401a8c0@M90>

LOL.  An oxymoron almost I would say. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

It's good but it's not right. And it's going on the CV :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 12 February 2008 03:47
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates


I'll guess!

SME = Smart Microsoft Engineer


It's just a guess . . .
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates

Jon,
Okay, I'll bite - what's that?
Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:
> Ooh, guess we're an SME then :-P
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: 11 February 2008 22:34
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Never set your system to auto-updates
>
> Thanks John, and all others who also responded.  Now I know - I'm a 
> SOHO too, I just didn't have the cool terminology until now. Best 
> regards, Tina
>
> jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> LOL, VERY CLOSE.  Small Office Home Office.
>>
>> VERY hands on!  ;-)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Feb 12 07:17:56 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:17:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters><D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <000c01c86d79$b4a48390$0300a8c0@danwaters>

>From www.toptenreviews.com:

Change SID  
SID, Security Identifier, is a unique code that identifies a computer and
its privileges in a network (a group of connected computers). Some disk
imaging software allows you to change this code when you make an exact copy
of a hard drive, since two hard drives with the same SID can cause errors in
network communications.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

"> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout. "

what are SID capabilities, please?

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>
> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
> took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, networks,
> portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
> strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
> into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
> compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML 
> file
> can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
> from the image.
>
> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to 
> go
> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
> anywhere on the network.
>
> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right and
> it is sledge hammer simple.
>
> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>
> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a 
> drive
> to a larger size.
>
> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
> Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most 
> expensive).
>
> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> Try
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>
> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
> Brawley
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
> partitions &c?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Tue Feb 12 07:30:46 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:30:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters><D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<000c01c86d79$b4a48390$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000a01c86d7b$799ee2c0$1800a8c0@s1800>

aahhh, that starts making sense

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> >From www.toptenreviews.com:
>
> Change SID
> SID, Security Identifier, is a unique code that identifies a computer and
> its privileges in a network (a group of connected computers). Some disk
> imaging software allows you to change this code when you make an exact 
> copy
> of a hard drive, since two hard drives with the same SID can cause errors 
> in
> network communications.
>
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> "> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only 
> failing
>> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
>> rollout. "
>
> what are SID capabilities, please?
>
> thank you
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
>> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
>> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>>
>> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
>> took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, 
>> networks,
>> portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
>> strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
>> into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
>> compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML
>> file
>> can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
>> from the image.
>>
>> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to
>> go
>> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
>> anywhere on the network.
>>
>> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right 
>> and
>> it is sledge hammer simple.
>>
>> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>>
>> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a
>> drive
>> to a larger size.
>>
>> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
>> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
>> rollout.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
>> Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most
>> expensive).
>>
>> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> Try
>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>>
>> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use 
>> their
>> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>>
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
>> Brawley
>> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
>> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>>
>> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
>> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
>> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
>> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
>> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
>> partitions &c?
>>
>> PB
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Tue Feb 12 07:42:35 2008
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:42:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC 2007 copy/paste disk crash
In-Reply-To: <16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000001c86d7d$2058cfd0$a917c048@fred6998b25045>

I was preparing to use one of my saved virtual pc's after months of not
using the program. To prepare a new permutation I did a copy/paste of one of
the existing folders. (Oops!)

After a short wait (during which I didn't kick or jar it) the computer
rebooted and wouldn't start XP. After some flailing, I Checked the disk with
SpinRite and found about 5% unrecoverable data (with ~2 percent that I had
to skip as it estimated 13K hours to recover while working on it) and, after
about 50 hours, am now 56% of the way through the SpinRite run. (A couple of
months ago the disk was clean in the SpinRite run, taking about 18 hours.)

Most of my files were backed up to another hard drive and/or JungleDisk, so
it hasn't been a disaster -- just a time waster (particularly since I had
used a DOS batch file to do the backup, which copied many both
before-and-after file moves).

I've now placed a text file in my VPC directory with the name "Don't Copy
These Folders.txt", with an explanation inside.

It looks like my FAT was also damaged as an important directory (that wasn't
backed up) is missing. I have two requests:

1) Recommendations on a FAT-rebuild program that works with NTFS?

2) Recommendations on a backup program for copying files (with some
versioning) to a local hard disk. (I saw some nice comments on FileBack PC,
but haven't tried it.)

Fred




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 08:57:55 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:57:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel limits
Message-ID: <00bf01c86d89$c764d380$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Anyone know what the limit is for an Excel dropdown list or have a link bookmarked where I might find it? 

Susan Harkins

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 12 11:17:35 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:17:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters>
	<D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <914E3390AF7C42BBA2D6E988D2C97279@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Lembit:

I am sure by now it has been described but the issue is when you as the IT
guy are doing a large roll-out, of say 50 stations, from a single image if
the systems sees every new station as the same computer it will not be able
to identify one from the other. In many cases a site license can have a
couple hundred possible SIDs but only one image. Some of the image backup
programs, like Norton's Ghost, will allow you to enter a list of IDs on the
host image computer and the app will automatically assign a different ID per
station as the roll-out proceeds.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility

"> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout. "

what are SID capabilities, please?

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>
> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
> took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, networks,
> portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
> strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
> into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
> compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML 
> file
> can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
> from the image.
>
> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to 
> go
> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
> anywhere on the network.
>
> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right and
> it is sledge hammer simple.
>
> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>
> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a 
> drive
> to a larger size.
>
> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast 
> rollout.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
> Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most 
> expensive).
>
> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> Try
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>
> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use their
> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
> Brawley
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
> partitions &c?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Feb 12 12:20:51 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP
Message-ID: <200802121820.m1CIKcfP013960@databaseadvisors.com>

Opinions wanted: based on you experience, what would you consider to be the
minimum acceptable specs for running VPC on XP? Lets say the VPS would be XP
with O2007.
 
John B.


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 13:34:08 2008
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:34:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPC 2007 copy/paste disk crash
In-Reply-To: <000001c86d7d$2058cfd0$a917c048@fred6998b25045>
References: <16A45B3450764FB0BBB8CC5D3E229B3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<000001c86d7d$2058cfd0$a917c048@fred6998b25045>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950802121134m304c39fbkf812691517a5da43@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fred,

Sorry to hear of your hardware problems but it does sound like you are
on the road to recovery. I don't have an answer for your question on
generational backup solutions or file allocation table recovery
solutions. Maybe a reply will keep the thread alive until someone else
sees it though ;-)

Good luck!

GK

On 2/12/08, Fred Hooper <fahooper at trapo.com> wrote:
> I was preparing to use one of my saved virtual pc's after months of not
> using the program. To prepare a new permutation I did a copy/paste of one of
> the existing folders. (Oops!)
>
> After a short wait (during which I didn't kick or jar it) the computer
> rebooted and wouldn't start XP. After some flailing, I Checked the disk with
> SpinRite and found about 5% unrecoverable data (with ~2 percent that I had
> to skip as it estimated 13K hours to recover while working on it) and, after
> about 50 hours, am now 56% of the way through the SpinRite run. (A couple of
> months ago the disk was clean in the SpinRite run, taking about 18 hours.)
>
> Most of my files were backed up to another hard drive and/or JungleDisk, so
> it hasn't been a disaster -- just a time waster (particularly since I had
> used a DOS batch file to do the backup, which copied many both
> before-and-after file moves).
>
> I've now placed a text file in my VPC directory with the name "Don't Copy
> These Folders.txt", with an explanation inside.
>
> It looks like my FAT was also damaged as an important directory (that wasn't
> backed up) is missing. I have two requests:
>
> 1) Recommendations on a FAT-rebuild program that works with NTFS?
>
> 2) Recommendations on a backup program for copying files (with some
> versioning) to a local hard disk. (I saw some nice comments on FileBack PC,
> but haven't tried it.)
>
> Fred
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 12 14:34:50 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:34:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP
In-Reply-To: <200802121820.m1CIKcfP013960@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200802121820.m1CIKcfP013960@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6C5AF4C9DB3D4E159C03EA04412B70F3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

John:

Memory, I think I think is the main requirement for all VPC activity. A
couple of Gigs will solve most issues.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP

Opinions wanted: based on you experience, what would you consider to be the
minimum acceptable specs for running VPC on XP? Lets say the VPS would be XP
with O2007.
 
John B.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 14:36:24 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:36:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP
In-Reply-To: <6C5AF4C9DB3D4E159C03EA04412B70F3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <200802121820.m1CIKcfP013960@databaseadvisors.com>
	<6C5AF4C9DB3D4E159C03EA04412B70F3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802121236k295b30faj9006d746455a71c8@mail.gmail.com>

I personally would double that, so each VM has a bit less than 2 gigs to
work in. Which assumes, of course, that you have ambitions, as do I, to run
more than one VM simultaneously.

Arthur

On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> John:
>
> Memory, I think I think is the main requirement for all VPC activity. A
> couple of Gigs will solve most issues.
>
> Jim
>


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Tue Feb 12 15:44:44 2008
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:44:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
References: <47B014C1.1060604@earthlink.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBGEFKDNAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><003501c86d05$74314830$0300a8c0@danwaters><D1B6681424184CD5872488CBB3F496D2@creativesystemdesigns.com><00bd01c86d68$f3b9b700$1800a8c0@s1800>
	<914E3390AF7C42BBA2D6E988D2C97279@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001801c86dc0$7b673950$1800a8c0@s1800>

I see,
so these 50 PCs have all identical lets say C-drives - except for the SID.
makes sense.
never thought of such scenario, but understand.

thank you
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility


> Hi Lembit:
>
> I am sure by now it has been described but the issue is when you as the IT
> guy are doing a large roll-out, of say 50 stations, from a single image if
> the systems sees every new station as the same computer it will not be 
> able
> to identify one from the other. In many cases a site license can have a
> couple hundred possible SIDs but only one image. Some of the image backup
> programs, like Norton's Ghost, will allow you to enter a list of IDs on 
> the
> host image computer and the app will automatically assign a different ID 
> per
> station as the roll-out proceeds.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
> "> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only 
> failing
>> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
>> rollout. "
>
> what are SID capabilities, please?
>
> thank you
> Lembit
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>
>
>> Just a note, probably late in this tread but let me be so bold as to
>> recommend a piece of software for doing system image backups.
>>
>> Just recently, used it to restore 200GB of data... do not ask who long it
>> took but it worked flawlessly. It can backup and restore across, 
>> networks,
>> portable drives and even IP addresses. It can use a couple of hot imaging
>> strategies like Volume locking and Shadow services. It can split backups
>> into DVDs, CDs or even smaller drives. It also uses various level of
>> compression. As well as a data file an XML file is created and the XML
>> file
>> can be used to specify whether all the data or specific data is recovered
>> from the image.
>>
>> I use the package in conjunction with the BartPE disk. This allows me to
>> go
>> to various client sites, boot up from DVD and image the current drive to
>> anywhere on the network.
>>
>> Though the package is not as sophisticated as some, the price is right 
>> and
>> it is sledge hammer simple.
>>
>> You can see it at http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm
>>
>> The one feature that it does not have is the ability to re-partition a
>> drive
>> to a larger size.
>>
>> The app 'Acronis True Image' looks like a great package. Its only failing
>> would be not having SID capabilities would when doing a maulticast
>> rollout.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:26 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> A site I like to read when selecting software is www.toptenreviews.com.
>> Acronis True Image is at the top of their list (and not the most
>> expensive).
>>
>> http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:49 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>> Try
>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>>
>> you can download a trial version. I haven't used it so far but I use 
>> their
>> backup program TRUEIMAGE which is perfect.
>>
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Peter
>> Brawley
>> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 10:26
>> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Betreff: [dba-Tech] hd partition utility
>>
>>
>> PowerQuest's Partition Manager was terrific up to version 7. Then
>> Symantec bought 'em. There are lots of horror stories out there about
>> v8. No thanks. There are horror stories about some of the other leading
>> (in terms of downloads at cnet) partition managers too. Does anyone know
>> a reliable partition manager that can handle 250G HDs, multiple
>> partitions &c?
>>
>> PB
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Feb 13 01:11:53 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:11:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802121236k295b30faj9006d746455a71c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200802130711.m1D7BWB0005501@databaseadvisors.com>

I won't be running more than one at a time but thanks for the warning :o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller

I personally would double that, so each VM has a bit less than 2 gigs to
work in. Which assumes, of course, that you have ambitions, as do I, to run
more than one VM simultaneously.

Arthur



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Feb 13 01:11:53 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:11:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Machine on XP
In-Reply-To: <6C5AF4C9DB3D4E159C03EA04412B70F3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200802130711.m1D7BXFI005503@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence


John:

Memory, I think I think is the main requirement for all VPC activity. A
couple of Gigs will solve most issues.  

Jim



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 08:04:04 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:04:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>

I've just listened to a story on CBC Radio about the US border guards
seizing laptops, iPods and Blackberrys from CDN visitors to the USA, then
downloading their entire contents. In one case, the laptop was passworded;
the owner refused to divulge the password; he was jailed and brought before
a grand jury, which ordered him to divulge the password or remain in jail
until he did. After a week, a judge overturned the order. A lawyer from a
CDN firm said that his firm's policy is now that all its lawyers cross the
border with empty Blackberrys and laptops. The laptops contain only the OS
and a browser so the lawyers can get to their web site.

The EFF is fighting these rulings, but that could take a while.

A.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb 13 08:50:18 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:50:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c86e4f$c0566ba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

What is the EFF?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:04 AM
To: Russell Freeland; Brian Russell; Peter Brawley
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika

I've just listened to a story on CBC Radio about the US border guards
seizing laptops, iPods and Blackberrys from CDN visitors to the USA, then
downloading their entire contents. In one case, the laptop was passworded;
the owner refused to divulge the password; he was jailed and brought before
a grand jury, which ordered him to divulge the password or remain in jail
until he did. After a week, a judge overturned the order. A lawyer from a
CDN firm said that his firm's policy is now that all its lawyers cross the
border with empty Blackberrys and laptops. The laptops contain only the OS
and a browser so the lawyers can get to their web site.

The EFF is fighting these rulings, but that could take a while.

A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 09:22:04 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:22:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <000c01c86e4f$c0566ba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01c86e4f$c0566ba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802130722p4901430bl359e25921ec22dd1@mail.gmail.com>

The Electronic Frontier Foundation. Lotus inventor Mitch Kapor was one of
the earliest involved.

A.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> What is the EFF?
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 13 09:37:15 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:37:15 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <000c01c86e4f$c0566ba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01c86e4f$c0566ba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003401c86e56$4f589f70$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Edmonton Foo Fighters?

R
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:50 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

What is the EFF?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:04 AM
To: Russell Freeland; Brian Russell; Peter Brawley
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika

I've just listened to a story on CBC Radio about the US border guards
seizing laptops, iPods and Blackberrys from CDN visitors to the USA, then
downloading their entire contents. In one case, the laptop was passworded;
the owner refused to divulge the password; he was jailed and brought before
a grand jury, which ordered him to divulge the password or remain in jail
until he did. After a week, a judge overturned the order. A lawyer from a
CDN firm said that his firm's policy is now that all its lawyers cross the
border with empty Blackberrys and laptops. The laptops contain only the OS
and a browser so the lawyers can get to their web site.

The EFF is fighting these rulings, but that could take a while.

A.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 13 12:40:28 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:40:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Are these types of seizures standard practice now?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:04 AM
To: Russell Freeland; Brian Russell; Peter Brawley
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika

I've just listened to a story on CBC Radio about the US border guards
seizing laptops, iPods and Blackberrys from CDN visitors to the USA, then
downloading their entire contents. In one case, the laptop was passworded;
the owner refused to divulge the password; he was jailed and brought before
a grand jury, which ordered him to divulge the password or remain in jail
until he did. After a week, a judge overturned the order. A lawyer from a
CDN firm said that his firm's policy is now that all its lawyers cross the
border with empty Blackberrys and laptops. The laptops contain only the OS
and a browser so the lawyers can get to their web site.

The EFF is fighting these rulings, but that could take a while.

A.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 12:57:56 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:57:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My bil travels across the border with no problems. Now, he's a truck driver 
and I doubt he's taking a laptop, but they're not making a big deal of 
searching his cargo or anything.

I have to be honest with you Jim -- I seriously doubt that they have the 
manpower to search every laptop coming into the states.

Susan H.


> Are these types of seizures standard practice now?



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 13:39:46 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>

Thus Susan subtly raises the issue of racial profiling. Unfortunately, the
boys at the border don't seem eager to be so pigeonholed. Interviewed this
morning were a couple of Muslims, a couple of Jews, and a wasp lawyer. Oh, I
forgot, a First Nations activist en route to a conference.

A.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> My bil travels across the border with no problems. Now, he's a truck
> driver
> and I doubt he's taking a laptop, but they're not making a big deal of
> searching his cargo or anything.
>
> I have to be honest with you Jim -- I seriously doubt that they have the
> manpower to search every laptop coming into the states.
>
> Susan H.
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 13 15:03:31 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:03:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or lawyers;
especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border. Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Thus Susan subtly raises the issue of racial profiling. Unfortunately, the
boys at the border don't seem eager to be so pigeonholed. Interviewed this
morning were a couple of Muslims, a couple of Jews, and a wasp lawyer. Oh, I
forgot, a First Nations activist en route to a conference.

A.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> My bil travels across the border with no problems. Now, he's a truck
> driver
> and I doubt he's taking a laptop, but they're not making a big deal of
> searching his cargo or anything.
>
> I have to be honest with you Jim -- I seriously doubt that they have the
> manpower to search every laptop coming into the states.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 16:20:00 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:20:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com><2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com><009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>
	<E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Good thing about the lawyers... never met one yet that I didn't want to 
hang.

Susan H.


> Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or 
> lawyers;
> especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border. Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 13 17:04:02 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:04:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>
	<E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <049E20ECC1824E5883666C872AD24BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

When working at one company, one of the supervisors, a fellow named Ted,
came in and let go a tirade that lasted a good 20 minutes. When he had
departed, to dead silence, one of the quietest members of the team said "I
guess Will Rogers never meet Ted."

The following roar of laughter could even be heard by Ted.

...and not shooting, drowning or any other forms of mercy killing?
  
Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Good thing about the lawyers... never met one yet that I didn't want to 
hang.

Susan H.


> Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or 
> lawyers;
> especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border. Jim

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Feb 13 17:04:46 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:04:46 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <049E20ECC1824E5883666C872AD24BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com><2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com><009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com><E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com><00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<049E20ECC1824E5883666C872AD24BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c86e94$d3825b90$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Um, explanation for a young(ish!) Non-American?  :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 13 February 2008 23:04
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

When working at one company, one of the supervisors, a fellow named Ted,
came in and let go a tirade that lasted a good 20 minutes. When he had
departed, to dead silence, one of the quietest members of the team said "I
guess Will Rogers never meet Ted."

The following roar of laughter could even be heard by Ted.

...and not shooting, drowning or any other forms of mercy killing?
  
Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Good thing about the lawyers... never met one yet that I didn't want to
hang.

Susan H.


> Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or 
> lawyers; especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border. 
> Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 13 17:55:41 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:55:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <003f01c86e94$d3825b90$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com>
	<E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<049E20ECC1824E5883666C872AD24BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<003f01c86e94$d3825b90$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <62777AD6AAA040E3A87D08F333C02FAA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Will Rogers is a good-hearted character, performer and humorist from central
USA, from a number of years ago. He was noted for his gift of putting anyone
at ease from the elite to the most humble. The words "I never yet met a man
that I didn't like." was one of the quotes attributed to him. See the
following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers for further
details.

Sorry to make the assumption that everyone knew what I was talking about. It
will happen again.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Um, explanation for a young(ish!) Non-American?  :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 13 February 2008 23:04
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

When working at one company, one of the supervisors, a fellow named Ted,
came in and let go a tirade that lasted a good 20 minutes. When he had
departed, to dead silence, one of the quietest members of the team said "I
guess Will Rogers never meet Ted."

The following roar of laughter could even be heard by Ted.

...and not shooting, drowning or any other forms of mercy killing?
  
Jim    

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Good thing about the lawyers... never met one yet that I didn't want to
hang.

Susan H.


> Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or 
> lawyers; especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border. 
> Jim

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Feb 13 17:57:59 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:57:59 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amerika
In-Reply-To: <62777AD6AAA040E3A87D08F333C02FAA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com><2E8AED91922D40E188CF6620C371B31A@creativesystemdesigns.com><009301c86e72$637aabd0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><29f585dd0802131139n5229576du1c5b2ce747bab614@mail.gmail.com><E081C3BBDF1746AF9FC6799A26FF8B93@creativesystemdesigns.com><00fb01c86e8f$368406e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><049E20ECC1824E5883666C872AD24BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com><003f01c86e94$d3825b90$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<62777AD6AAA040E3A87D08F333C02FAA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Ah, I've heard that quote before. Makes sense, thanks for the explanation,
and the belated chuckle... :-)


Jon 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 13 February 2008 23:56
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Will Rogers is a good-hearted character, performer and humorist from central
USA, from a number of years ago. He was noted for his gift of putting anyone
at ease from the elite to the most humble. The words "I never yet met a man
that I didn't like." was one of the quotes attributed to him. See the
following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers for further
details.

Sorry to make the assumption that everyone knew what I was talking about. It
will happen again.

Jim   

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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Um, explanation for a young(ish!) Non-American?  :-)


Jon

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Sent: 13 February 2008 23:04
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

When working at one company, one of the supervisors, a fellow named Ted,
came in and let go a tirade that lasted a good 20 minutes. When he had
departed, to dead silence, one of the quietest members of the team said "I
guess Will Rogers never meet Ted."

The following roar of laughter could even be heard by Ted.

...and not shooting, drowning or any other forms of mercy killing?
  
Jim    

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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Amerika

Good thing about the lawyers... never met one yet that I didn't want to
hang.

Susan H.


> Oh yes, clarity. The policy of 'You can never Trust other races or 
> lawyers; especially lawyers' is now to being enforced at the border.
> Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 14 00:34:37 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:34:37 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet MDB connection methos
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802130604p44890f35jbeb1a0c22c242a8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C132B755191462892F9E9FE658F0876@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

What connection method and code do you use to connect to an MDB DB on your
web sites? (I have only used MS SQL in the past and that is fairly straight
forward.) 

My client had originally hard coded the MDB location in a Global file
variable and used the DSN-less Database Connection method but that will not
work now that he is planning on migrating to a public internet hosting
company. Is there a way to pre-setup an ODBC Database Connection that would
work on any location?

Any insights and coding samples would be greatly appreciated.

TIA
Jim    



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 14 02:56:25 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:56:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027716C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

One of my clients got recently on a ip blacklist due to spam send from a
infected computer within the network, probably from end December till
last week.

Although I personally manage the network all computers had fully updated
virus scanners (McAfee) but I Installed Trend Micro halfway Januari so
posibly something went wrong migrating from one to another.

The Trojan was new and vicious and passed both virus scanners. Cause I
don't scan existing files (only write/modify) neither do a weekly scan
on desktops the Trojan managed to stay alive on this system... I do not
scan cause of user complaint of slow computers...

 

This brings up the discussion of using Blacklists like spamcop to me.

I looked into this matter 1 or 2 years ago and read several things about
it that Blacklists are not that good against spam and are a in forehand
lost fight against spam. Several  blacklists where stopping at that
moment, so I decided not to use the principle of a blacklist.

 

But, now I got forced in to the matter and noticed ISP are still using
blacklists. So I installed a blacklist on this customer server and on my
own server for evaluation purposes.

 

I already notices a major decrease in spam in my spam folder (I'm using
trend micro to detect spam), but the spam that is not detected by Trend
Micro is still getting in my inbox, I don't have the impression that
this is lowering, but I only installed it yesterday evening, I have to
be patient to see some real result.

 

My question is, what is the opinion and practical experience of the
people on this list that manage mailservers?

What about false positives?

 I want to know if I would need to configure blacklist by default on my
clients mail servers or not?

 

thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 14 03:29:18 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:29:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
Message-ID: <s7b41807.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

We used blacklist blocking for a while and later also a scanning spamfilter but at some point about a year ago we felt we were under attach as thousands and thousands of spam mails simply brought the filter to its knees.
Our present solution is Spambunker which we installed at that time and have worked with close to zero maintenance since. When it was installed, it was like closing a door as it works from minute one; no learning, no import of blacklists. Further, zero false positives and only modest hardware is required for even a high-traffic mail server.

It is not free but offered at a fair price: 

  http://www.spambunker.ch 

As for the infected workstation, we have CounterSpy from Sunbelt Software as first choice. Also Spybot Search & Destroy (free) and TrojanHunter and the Trend on-line scanner.
These days we've found that traditional virus scanners are of limited value if any at all. The trojan removers and blockers do the hard work. Indeed, CounterSpy is very effective and with a good UI which most normal users can grasp.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 09:56 >>>
One of my clients got recently on a ip blacklist due to spam send from a
infected computer within the network, probably from end December till
last week.

Although I personally manage the network all computers had fully updated
virus scanners (McAfee) but I Installed Trend Micro halfway Januari so
posibly something went wrong migrating from one to another.

The Trojan was new and vicious and passed both virus scanners. Cause I
don't scan existing files (only write/modify) neither do a weekly scan
on desktops the Trojan managed to stay alive on this system... I do not
scan cause of user complaint of slow computers...

 

This brings up the discussion of using Blacklists like spamcop to me.

I looked into this matter 1 or 2 years ago and read several things about
it that Blacklists are not that good against spam and are a in forehand
lost fight against spam. Several  blacklists where stopping at that
moment, so I decided not to use the principle of a blacklist.

 

But, now I got forced in to the matter and noticed ISP are still using
blacklists. So I installed a blacklist on this customer server and on my
own server for evaluation purposes.

 

I already notices a major decrease in spam in my spam folder (I'm using
trend micro to detect spam), but the spam that is not detected by Trend
Micro is still getting in my inbox, I don't have the impression that
this is lowering, but I only installed it yesterday evening, I have to
be patient to see some real result.

 

My question is, what is the opinion and practical experience of the
people on this list that manage mailservers?

What about false positives?

 I want to know if I would need to configure blacklist by default on my
clients mail servers or not?

 

thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

 

Internetwinkel op http://shop.ithelps.eu 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erwincraps 
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/erwincraps> 

www.ithelps.be/onsgezin <http://www.ithelps.be/onsgezin> 

bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be 
<http://www.friedacraps.be/> 

 

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 14 05:59:11 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:59:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
References: <s7b41807.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277170@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Gustav

I just visited their website but it is not clear to me on what base they
decide to accept or refuse a connection?
How do they decide if a remote server is trusty or not?


The big advantage of this solution, but also for blacklists is of course
the bandwidth that is saved by refusing to accept an e-mail rather then
analysing an e-mail after receiving it.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:29 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

We used blacklist blocking for a while and later also a scanning
spamfilter but at some point about a year ago we felt we were under
attach as thousands and thousands of spam mails simply brought the
filter to its knees.
Our present solution is Spambunker which we installed at that time and
have worked with close to zero maintenance since. When it was installed,
it was like closing a door as it works from minute one; no learning, no
import of blacklists. Further, zero false positives and only modest
hardware is required for even a high-traffic mail server.

It is not free but offered at a fair price: 

  http://www.spambunker.ch 

As for the infected workstation, we have CounterSpy from Sunbelt
Software as first choice. Also Spybot Search & Destroy (free) and
TrojanHunter and the Trend on-line scanner.
These days we've found that traditional virus scanners are of limited
value if any at all. The trojan removers and blockers do the hard work.
Indeed, CounterSpy is very effective and with a good UI which most
normal users can grasp.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 09:56 >>>
One of my clients got recently on a ip blacklist due to spam send from a
infected computer within the network, probably from end December till
last week.

Although I personally manage the network all computers had fully updated
virus scanners (McAfee) but I Installed Trend Micro halfway Januari so
posibly something went wrong migrating from one to another.

The Trojan was new and vicious and passed both virus scanners. Cause I
don't scan existing files (only write/modify) neither do a weekly scan
on desktops the Trojan managed to stay alive on this system... I do not
scan cause of user complaint of slow computers...

 

This brings up the discussion of using Blacklists like spamcop to me.

I looked into this matter 1 or 2 years ago and read several things about
it that Blacklists are not that good against spam and are a in forehand
lost fight against spam. Several  blacklists where stopping at that
moment, so I decided not to use the principle of a blacklist.

 

But, now I got forced in to the matter and noticed ISP are still using
blacklists. So I installed a blacklist on this customer server and on my
own server for evaluation purposes.

 

I already notices a major decrease in spam in my spam folder (I'm using
trend micro to detect spam), but the spam that is not detected by Trend
Micro is still getting in my inbox, I don't have the impression that
this is lowering, but I only installed it yesterday evening, I have to
be patient to see some real result.

 

My question is, what is the opinion and practical experience of the
people on this list that manage mailservers?

What about false positives?

 I want to know if I would need to configure blacklist by default on my
clients mail servers or not?

 

thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

 

Internetwinkel op http://shop.ithelps.eu 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erwincraps 
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/erwincraps> 

www.ithelps.be/onsgezin <http://www.ithelps.be/onsgezin> 

bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be 
<http://www.friedacraps.be/> 

 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 14 06:46:44 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
Message-ID: <s7b44666.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Basically it is quite simple. Any decent mail server which tries to deliver legitimate mail to your server behaves like a mature mail server. Such a mail server communicates with your server when it connects, and by analysing this communication pattern Spambunker determines if the sender is "real" and is addressing a valid account of the receiving domain. Those failing these tests are the bot machines and the ultra-high volume mail transmitting engines the pro spammers use. These engines fire off millions of spam mails and it could not be done if they should behave and study the answers from the receivers and act accordingly.

This is the key to the zero false positives and to the high capacity of Spambunker as spam mails are not even received not to say stored. Of course, some "amateur" spam may get through; this is typically spam sent from a Yahoo or AOL type of account but these large providers are so agile that such an account is closed quite fast. 
To give you an idea of how effective the filter is, I can tell that without a filter I receive several hundred spams per day. Spam addressed non-existing accounts of our domains are counted by the thousands per day. With the filter in action I receive an average of two spams per week.

One of our clients would receive about 20,000 spams per day without the filer, and while it peaked at us the count was well above 100,000.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 12:59 >>>
Hi Gustav

I just visited their website but it is not clear to me on what base they
decide to accept or refuse a connection?
How do they decide if a remote server is trusty or not?


The big advantage of this solution, but also for blacklists is of course
the bandwidth that is saved by refusing to accept an e-mail rather then
analysing an e-mail after receiving it.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:29 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

We used blacklist blocking for a while and later also a scanning
spamfilter but at some point about a year ago we felt we were under
attach as thousands and thousands of spam mails simply brought the
filter to its knees.
Our present solution is Spambunker which we installed at that time and
have worked with close to zero maintenance since. When it was installed,
it was like closing a door as it works from minute one; no learning, no
import of blacklists. Further, zero false positives and only modest
hardware is required for even a high-traffic mail server.

It is not free but offered at a fair price: 

  http://www.spambunker.ch 

As for the infected workstation, we have CounterSpy from Sunbelt
Software as first choice. Also Spybot Search & Destroy (free) and
TrojanHunter and the Trend on-line scanner.
These days we've found that traditional virus scanners are of limited
value if any at all. The trojan removers and blockers do the hard work.
Indeed, CounterSpy is very effective and with a good UI which most
normal users can grasp.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 09:56 >>>
One of my clients got recently on a ip blacklist due to spam send from a
infected computer within the network, probably from end December till
last week.

Although I personally manage the network all computers had fully updated
virus scanners (McAfee) but I Installed Trend Micro halfway Januari so
posibly something went wrong migrating from one to another.

The Trojan was new and vicious and passed both virus scanners. Cause I
don't scan existing files (only write/modify) neither do a weekly scan
on desktops the Trojan managed to stay alive on this system... I do not
scan cause of user complaint of slow computers...

 

This brings up the discussion of using Blacklists like spamcop to me.

I looked into this matter 1 or 2 years ago and read several things about
it that Blacklists are not that good against spam and are a in forehand
lost fight against spam. Several  blacklists where stopping at that
moment, so I decided not to use the principle of a blacklist.

 

But, now I got forced in to the matter and noticed ISP are still using
blacklists. So I installed a blacklist on this customer server and on my
own server for evaluation purposes.

 

I already notices a major decrease in spam in my spam folder (I'm using
trend micro to detect spam), but the spam that is not detected by Trend
Micro is still getting in my inbox, I don't have the impression that
this is lowering, but I only installed it yesterday evening, I have to
be patient to see some real result.

 

My question is, what is the opinion and practical experience of the
people on this list that manage mailservers?

What about false positives?

 I want to know if I would need to configure blacklist by default on my
clients mail servers or not?

 

thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 14 08:06:07 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:06:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
References: <s7b44666.071@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277177@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and
where back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:47 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

Basically it is quite simple. Any decent mail server which tries to
deliver legitimate mail to your server behaves like a mature mail
server. Such a mail server communicates with your server when it
connects, and by analysing this communication pattern Spambunker
determines if the sender is "real" and is addressing a valid account of
the receiving domain. Those failing these tests are the bot machines and
the ultra-high volume mail transmitting engines the pro spammers use.
These engines fire off millions of spam mails and it could not be done
if they should behave and study the answers from the receivers and act
accordingly.

This is the key to the zero false positives and to the high capacity of
Spambunker as spam mails are not even received not to say stored. Of
course, some "amateur" spam may get through; this is typically spam sent
from a Yahoo or AOL type of account but these large providers are so
agile that such an account is closed quite fast. 
To give you an idea of how effective the filter is, I can tell that
without a filter I receive several hundred spams per day. Spam addressed
non-existing accounts of our domains are counted by the thousands per
day. With the filter in action I receive an average of two spams per
week.

One of our clients would receive about 20,000 spams per day without the
filer, and while it peaked at us the count was well above 100,000.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 12:59 >>>
Hi Gustav

I just visited their website but it is not clear to me on what base they
decide to accept or refuse a connection?
How do they decide if a remote server is trusty or not?


The big advantage of this solution, but also for blacklists is of course
the bandwidth that is saved by refusing to accept an e-mail rather then
analysing an e-mail after receiving it.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:29 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

We used blacklist blocking for a while and later also a scanning
spamfilter but at some point about a year ago we felt we were under
attach as thousands and thousands of spam mails simply brought the
filter to its knees.
Our present solution is Spambunker which we installed at that time and
have worked with close to zero maintenance since. When it was installed,
it was like closing a door as it works from minute one; no learning, no
import of blacklists. Further, zero false positives and only modest
hardware is required for even a high-traffic mail server.

It is not free but offered at a fair price: 

  http://www.spambunker.ch 

As for the infected workstation, we have CounterSpy from Sunbelt
Software as first choice. Also Spybot Search & Destroy (free) and
TrojanHunter and the Trend on-line scanner.
These days we've found that traditional virus scanners are of limited
value if any at all. The trojan removers and blockers do the hard work.
Indeed, CounterSpy is very effective and with a good UI which most
normal users can grasp.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 09:56 >>>
One of my clients got recently on a ip blacklist due to spam send from a
infected computer within the network, probably from end December till
last week.

Although I personally manage the network all computers had fully updated
virus scanners (McAfee) but I Installed Trend Micro halfway Januari so
posibly something went wrong migrating from one to another.

The Trojan was new and vicious and passed both virus scanners. Cause I
don't scan existing files (only write/modify) neither do a weekly scan
on desktops the Trojan managed to stay alive on this system... I do not
scan cause of user complaint of slow computers...

 

This brings up the discussion of using Blacklists like spamcop to me.

I looked into this matter 1 or 2 years ago and read several things about
it that Blacklists are not that good against spam and are a in forehand
lost fight against spam. Several  blacklists where stopping at that
moment, so I decided not to use the principle of a blacklist.

 

But, now I got forced in to the matter and noticed ISP are still using
blacklists. So I installed a blacklist on this customer server and on my
own server for evaluation purposes.

 

I already notices a major decrease in spam in my spam folder (I'm using
trend micro to detect spam), but the spam that is not detected by Trend
Micro is still getting in my inbox, I don't have the impression that
this is lowering, but I only installed it yesterday evening, I have to
be patient to see some real result.

 

My question is, what is the opinion and practical experience of the
people on this list that manage mailservers?

What about false positives?

 I want to know if I would need to configure blacklist by default on my
clients mail servers or not?

 

thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 14 08:20:56 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:20:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
Message-ID: <s7b45c76.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

I don't really think so. Spammers need just to use - or distribute to the bots - an engine that acts as a true sending SMTP server. However, to make that work, a connection for delivery of one spam will consume many minutes contrary to the split second it takes for a bot to deliver to an unprotected mail server. And time is money; it just wouldn't be cost effective for the pro spammer.

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 15:06 >>>
Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and
where back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 14 08:53:37 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:53:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
References: <s7b45c76.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well, if this blacklisting doesn't work out for me, I know where to go
:-)
The price seems reasonable.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:21 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

I don't really think so. Spammers need just to use - or distribute to
the bots - an engine that acts as a true sending SMTP server. However,
to make that work, a connection for delivery of one spam will consume
many minutes contrary to the split second it takes for a bot to deliver
to an unprotected mail server. And time is money; it just wouldn't be
cost effective for the pro spammer.

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 15:06 >>>
Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and
where back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb 14 09:16:31 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:16:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <s7b45c76.075@cactus.dk>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <00dd01c86f1c$94f068d0$0401a8c0@M90>

Where did you get a price? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Well, if this blacklisting doesn't work out for me, I know where to go
:-)
The price seems reasonable.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:21 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

I don't really think so. Spammers need just to use - or distribute to the
bots - an engine that acts as a true sending SMTP server. However, to make
that work, a connection for delivery of one spam will consume many minutes
contrary to the split second it takes for a bot to deliver to an unprotected
mail server. And time is money; it just wouldn't be cost effective for the
pro spammer.

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 15:06 >>>
Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and where
back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 14 09:32:11 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:32:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
References: <s7b45c76.075@cactus.dk><430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<00dd01c86f1c$94f068d0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

http://www.aimconsulting.ch/en/spambunker/prices.html

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Where did you get a price? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Well, if this blacklisting doesn't work out for me, I know where to go
:-)
The price seems reasonable.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:21 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

I don't really think so. Spammers need just to use - or distribute to
the
bots - an engine that acts as a true sending SMTP server. However, to
make
that work, a connection for delivery of one spam will consume many
minutes
contrary to the split second it takes for a bot to deliver to an
unprotected
mail server. And time is money; it just wouldn't be cost effective for
the
pro spammer.

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 15:06 >>>
Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and
where
back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb 14 10:07:46 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:07:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <s7b45c76.075@cactus.dk><430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717A@stekelbes.ithelps.local><00dd01c86f1c$94f068d0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027717C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <00e001c86f23$bd665d40$0401a8c0@M90>

I like the price for 100 to 250 mail boxes.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

http://www.aimconsulting.ch/en/spambunker/prices.html

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Where did you get a price? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Well, if this blacklisting doesn't work out for me, I know where to go
:-)
The price seems reasonable.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:21 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use of Blacklists on mail servers

Hi Erwin

I don't really think so. Spammers need just to use - or distribute to the
bots - an engine that acts as a true sending SMTP server. However, to make
that work, a connection for delivery of one spam will consume many minutes
contrary to the split second it takes for a bot to deliver to an unprotected
mail server. And time is money; it just wouldn't be cost effective for the
pro spammer.

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 14-02-2008 15:06 >>>
Problem again is as always, that as soon as this kind of technology get
widespread, the spammers will adjust their software accordantly and where
back to square one.
So you better not tell this to everyone :-)



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb 14 12:40:17 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:40:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Server "benchmarks"
Message-ID: <00e601c86f39$0c614760$0401a8c0@M90>

I am in the process of running some "benchmarks" on my SQL Server machines.
I have two machines:

AMD Quad core, 4 GByte RAM - Running Windows 2003 x32 and SQL Server X32
AMD Dual Core, 8 gbytes RAM - Running Windows 2003 x64 and SQL Server X64

AMD Dual core, 4 GByte RAM - Running Windows 2003 x32 and SQL Server X32
AMD QUAD Core, 8 gbytes RAM - Running Windows 2003 x64 and SQL Server X64

I have a standard count database and resulting Excel workbook.  The database
4 base queries to pull data out of three different databases.  It then uses
17 "count" queries to get counts, usually with an ORDER BY clause to get the
counts by state, income band, age code etc.  This set of counts ultimately
pulls records from my 50 million record address table joined to a matching
50 million record criteria table, joined to a zip code table so the
resulting queries work the system pretty hard.  Both the quad core and the
dual core processor almost max the processor usage for all cores, you can
still see the top of the waveform but it is running 95% plus on all cores.
Page file usage is about 7.5 gig on the X64 system and 2.2 on the x32
system.  I am running both machines off of the Areca 1220 RAID controller,
however the RAID arrays are not identical because in the quad core x32
machine I have eight 500gb drives whereas in the dual core x64 machine I
have only three 500gb drives.  This can make a difference in some cases
since the streaming read speed is (No of Drives * Read speed of drive) so as
you add more drives to an array the streaming read speed off the array rises
linearly.  This means that the x64 system only has 3/8ths of the streaming
read speed of the x32 system.  I will be  adding more drives to that
controller some day but not anytime soon.

To summarize, the x32 system just happens to have my only quad core chip.
The x64 system just happens to have the dual core chip.  Both have maxed out
memory that I can provide based on the OS maximums and the motherboard
maximums.  I discovered after running all the tests that the X32 Quad was
running on only 2 gigs of ram, so I put in 4 gigs and reran all the tests
for that machine.

And for the results (drum roll please.....).

x4x32-2gb	x4x32-4gb	x2x32-4gb	x2x64-8gb	x4x64-8gb
Test
1:56		1:30		2:03		1:23		0:52
Age00_17
2:01		1:27		2:04		1:30		1:02
ByIncome
0:55		0:44		0:59		0:45		0:33
ByState
2:06		1:25		2:02		1:20		0:52
Age75 (by code within that field)
4:17		3:04		4:18		3:50		3:07
Cnt Boating (single count, no groupby)

So...

The dual core running x64 appears to run about as fast as the quad core
running x32 in all but one case.
The quad core running x64 has a clear advantage over the dual code or quad
core running x32 EXCEPT for that single case mentioned above, where it
almost catches up.
The additional 2 gigs of memory for the X32 makes a significant difference
as would be expected.


 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 09:25:10 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:25:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
Message-ID: <001101c86fe6$f6294480$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I have a couple of quick questions about media files -- I can look these up later, but I thought I'd ask incase someone knows off the top of their heads -- would save me some research time. 

1.) Do MPEG, AVI, and GIF files support both sounds and video? 

2.) Can you convert a media file to another format? If so, can you recommend a product?

Susan H. 

From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Fri Feb 15 09:27:59 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:27:59 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2DD@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

MPEG and AVI are video and sound, I think GIF is only an animated image,
but I could be wrong.

There are loads of file convertors, VideoRedo is one, can't think of any
off the top of my head, I don't really play much with that. Google
"Video file convertor", that might help :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Harkins
Sent: 15 February 2008 15:25
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files


I have a couple of quick questions about media files -- I can look these
up later, but I thought I'd ask incase someone knows off the top of
their heads -- would save me some research time. 

1.) Do MPEG, AVI, and GIF files support both sounds and video? 

2.) Can you convert a media file to another format? If so, can you
recommend a product?

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 09:39:58 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:39:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
References: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2DD@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>
Message-ID: <001601c86fe9$06df74f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Google
> "Video file convertor", that might help :-)

=====Thanks Jon -- I'll do that. 

Susan H. 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Fri Feb 15 10:03:41 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:03:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
References: <001101c86fe6$f6294480$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277189@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It's not recommended to convert video to another format, it's very time
consuming and you will loose quality because you convert from one lossy
compression to another. But of course it depends on your personal needs
and quality standards.

A Gif file is a 256 color (maximum) color picture.
A animated GIF is a sequence of GIF pictures, each picture (frame) has a
specific time to show.
So U you have for example 3 frames; Frame 1 displays 0.5 seconds, frame
2 shows 1 second and frame 3 show 0.1 second and it starts over again.
This technique is very efficient for animated pictures and low bandwith.
A lot of internet banners are in animated GIF.
Another advantage is that the background color can be transparent so it
blends in a website.

AVI and MPG/MPG are video formats having a constant frame rate per
second. For internet usually 15 frames a second. DV and DVD has 25
frames a seconds, PAL 29,97 frames (or something) seconds, NTSC 30 I
believe.

AVI and MPG/MPEG these files can be compressed with different codecs. So
its possible that one MPG files plays normaly, another does not show any
image or sound because your computer does not have the appropriate
codec.

Codec = coder/decoder

Erwin







-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:25 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files

I have a couple of quick questions about media files -- I can look these
up later, but I thought I'd ask incase someone knows off the top of
their heads -- would save me some research time. 

1.) Do MPEG, AVI, and GIF files support both sounds and video? 

2.) Can you convert a media file to another format? If so, can you
recommend a product?

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 10:09:15 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:09:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
References: <001101c86fe6$f6294480$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277189@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <004501c86fed$1e3aa030$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thank you Erwin -- I'm glad I asked -- that's really helpful. 

Susan H. 


> It's not recommended to convert video to another format, it's very time
> consuming and you will loose quality because you convert from one lossy
> compression to another. But of course it depends on your personal needs
> and quality standards.
> 
> A Gif file is a 256 color (maximum) color picture.
> A animated GIF is a sequence of GIF pictures, each picture (frame) has a
> specific time to show.
> So U you have for example 3 frames; Frame 1 displays 0.5 seconds, frame
> 2 shows 1 second and frame 3 show 0.1 second and it starts over again.
> This technique is very efficient for animated pictures and low bandwith.
> A lot of internet banners are in animated GIF.
> Another advantage is that the background color can be transparent so it
> blends in a website.
> 
> AVI and MPG/MPG are video formats having a constant frame rate per
> second. For internet usually 15 frames a second. DV and DVD has 25
> frames a seconds, PAL 29,97 frames (or something) seconds, NTSC 30 I
> believe.
> 
> AVI and MPG/MPEG these files can be compressed with different codecs. So
> its possible that one MPG files plays normaly, another does not show any
> image or sound because your computer does not have the appropriate
> codec.
> 
> Codec = coder/decoder
> 
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:25 PM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
> 
> I have a couple of quick questions about media files -- I can look these
> up later, but I thought I'd ask incase someone knows off the top of
> their heads -- would save me some research time. 
> 
> 1.) Do MPEG, AVI, and GIF files support both sounds and video? 
> 
> 2.) Can you convert a media file to another format? If so, can you
> recommend a product?
> 
> Susan H. 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 10:19:22 2008
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:19:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277189@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <001101c86fe6$f6294480$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277189@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:

>  AVI and MPG/MPG are video formats having a constant frame rate per
>  second. For internet usually 15 frames a second. DV and DVD has 25
>  frames a seconds, PAL 29,97 frames (or something) seconds, NTSC 30 I
>  believe.

Not that it matters that much, but PAL is around 25 (don't know the
actual number) and NTSC is 29.97. NTSC used to be 30 in the days of
Black & White, but when they had to add the colour information to the
signal then did some fancy math and came up with 29.97 as the frame
rate for NTSC. Let's not even talk about ATSC (North American Digital
Over The Air Broadcasting standards).

Like I said, it doesn't much matter, but it's one of the few things I
can remember these days,

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 15 10:51:26 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:51:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
Message-ID: <s7b5d135.002@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

PAL is always 25 fps. 
For NTSC a lengthy discussion can be found here:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NTSC 

You may need something strengthier than a Miller Light after perusing this in detail.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 15-02-2008 17:19 >>>
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:

>  AVI and MPG/MPG are video formats having a constant frame rate per
>  second. For internet usually 15 frames a second. DV and DVD has 25
>  frames a seconds, PAL 29,97 frames (or something) seconds, NTSC 30 I
>  believe.

Not that it matters that much, but PAL is around 25 (don't know the
actual number) and NTSC is 29.97. NTSC used to be 30 in the days of
Black & White, but when they had to add the colour information to the
signal then did some fancy math and came up with 29.97 as the frame
rate for NTSC. Let's not even talk about ATSC (North American Digital
Over The Air Broadcasting standards).

Like I said, it doesn't much matter, but it's one of the few things I
can remember these days,

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com 
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!" at an age of 27 ...




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Fri Feb 15 10:56:02 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:56:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
References: <s7b5d135.002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027718D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I stand corrected.
PAL=25fps

Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:51 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 11:04:36 2008
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:04:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027718D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <s7b5d135.002@cactus.dk>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027718D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920802150904m76859df2ydb17ac5b19d7b10a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>  PAL=25fps
>
>  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.

We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that
Gustav posted :)

Like I said, it really doesn't matter for computer videos.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 15 11:13:36 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:13:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
Message-ID: <s7b5d661.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin and Bryan

No killing or punishment.
I suggest a Friday beer! This goes for JC as well. His head must be spinning trying to get hold on all his CPUs and GBs.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 15-02-2008 18:04 >>>
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>  PAL=25fps
>
>  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.

We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that
Gustav posted :)

Like I said, it really doesn't matter for computer videos.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com 
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!" at an age of 27 ...





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb 15 11:27:35 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:27:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
In-Reply-To: <s7b5d661.003@cactus.dk>
References: <s7b5d661.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011201c86ff8$0e832f30$0401a8c0@M90>

Naw, on to other things. 

I was trying to discover whether or not upgrading my processors to the quad
core was worthwhile and whether upgrading the server OS and SQL Server to
x64 was worth while.  It certainly appears to be.  I will need to wait
awhile for the quad core upgrade as I am using the AMD Phenom and it has a
bug which will be fixed  in the next stepping due out next month.  I can do
an immediate upgrade to my other server though to install the X64 software.

Until a couple of months ago I had never tried to run X64.  I was just
afraid that I would spend dozens of hours trying to track down drivers and
such.  It turned out to "just work" which says something given that I am
doing hardware RAID as well (two different controllers now).  There are
still issues with things like virus scanners and software firewalls but
given that these are servers where I do not browse the internet or do email
the risk is substantially smaller than it otherwise might be.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files

Hi Erwin and Bryan

No killing or punishment.
I suggest a Friday beer! This goes for JC as well. His head must be spinning
trying to get hold on all his CPUs and GBs.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 15-02-2008 18:04 >>>
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>  PAL=25fps
>
>  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.

We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that Gustav
posted :)

Like I said, it really doesn't matter for computer videos.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!" at an age of 27 ...



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb 15 11:41:01 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:01 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Server "benchmarks"
In-Reply-To: <00e601c86f39$0c614760$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200802151740.m1FHeuen015628@databaseadvisors.com>

Anyone using or at least testing Windows Server 2008?

I see its available to MSDN subs now.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb 15 11:53:30 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:53:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Server "benchmarks"
In-Reply-To: <200802151740.m1FHeuen015628@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <00e601c86f39$0c614760$0401a8c0@M90>
	<200802151740.m1FHeuen015628@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <011301c86ffb$ad5fcbb0$0401a8c0@M90>

Not yet.  I am seeing betas but no RTM code.  Given what we know, SP1 will
be required before I go there.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:41 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQL Server "benchmarks"

Anyone using or at least testing Windows Server 2008?

I see its available to MSDN subs now.


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 15 12:05:51 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:05:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
Message-ID: <s7b5e2b4.009@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Doen't this prove it? Time for an afternoon beer!

After the next moon you'll be heading for an eight CPU machine ...

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-02-2008 18:27 >>>
Naw, on to other things. 

I was trying to discover whether or not upgrading my processors to the quad
core was worthwhile and whether upgrading the server OS and SQL Server to
x64 was worth while.  It certainly appears to be.  I will need to wait
awhile for the quad core upgrade as I am using the AMD Phenom and it has a
bug which will be fixed  in the next stepping due out next month.  I can do
an immediate upgrade to my other server though to install the X64 software.

Until a couple of months ago I had never tried to run X64.  I was just
afraid that I would spend dozens of hours trying to track down drivers and
such.  It turned out to "just work" which says something given that I am
doing hardware RAID as well (two different controllers now).  There are
still issues with things like virus scanners and software firewalls but
given that these are servers where I do not browse the internet or do email
the risk is substantially smaller than it otherwise might be.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files

Hi Erwin and Bryan

No killing or punishment.
I suggest a Friday beer! This goes for JC as well. His head must be spinning
trying to get hold on all his CPUs and GBs.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 15-02-2008 18:04 >>>
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>  PAL=25fps
>
>  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.

We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that Gustav
posted :)

Like I said, it really doesn't matter for computer videos.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com 
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!" at an age of 27 ...





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb 15 12:19:32 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:19:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
In-Reply-To: <s7b5e2b4.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s7b5e2b4.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011501c86fff$504e1fe0$0401a8c0@M90>

LOL.  I don't imbibe so a diet Pepsi will have to do.

Boy I do wish for an 8 core machine, but even more for a 64 gig motherboard.
Progress has stalled at my price range in terms of getting more memory on
the MB.  4 DIMMs are all we get, and DIMMs have stalled at 2 gigs / DIMM.
Memory keeps dropping in price but it doesn't help when you have maxed out
your memory size.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files

Hi John

Doen't this prove it? Time for an afternoon beer!

After the next moon you'll be heading for an eight CPU machine ...

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-02-2008 18:27 >>>
Naw, on to other things. 

I was trying to discover whether or not upgrading my processors to the quad
core was worthwhile and whether upgrading the server OS and SQL Server to
x64 was worth while.  It certainly appears to be.  I will need to wait
awhile for the quad core upgrade as I am using the AMD Phenom and it has a
bug which will be fixed  in the next stepping due out next month.  I can do
an immediate upgrade to my other server though to install the X64 software.

Until a couple of months ago I had never tried to run X64.  I was just
afraid that I would spend dozens of hours trying to track down drivers and
such.  It turned out to "just work" which says something given that I am
doing hardware RAID as well (two different controllers now).  There are
still issues with things like virus scanners and software firewalls but
given that these are servers where I do not browse the internet or do email
the risk is substantially smaller than it otherwise might be.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:14 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files

Hi Erwin and Bryan

No killing or punishment.
I suggest a Friday beer! This goes for JC as well. His head must be spinning
trying to get hold on all his CPUs and GBs.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at gmail.com 15-02-2008 18:04 >>>
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
<Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>  PAL=25fps
>
>  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.

We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that Gustav
posted :)

Like I said, it really doesn't matter for computer videos.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!" at an age of 27 ...



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb 15 12:34:07 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:34:07 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server platforms
In-Reply-To: <200802151740.m1FHeuen015628@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200802151834.m1FIY3P6008997@databaseadvisors.com>

I just chatted with the MSDN concierge. Windows Server 2008 RTM is posted as
a download. The disks should be out within a month.

BTW Windows Home Server will not be released to MSDN subscribers :o(

Any recommended links to OEM purchases?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb 15 15:19:39 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:19:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies
Message-ID: <013401c87018$79f4c6f0$0401a8c0@M90>

Is anyone using Shadow copies with Windows 2003?  Experiences with it,
comments about it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Feb 15 15:25:16 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:25:16 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies
In-Reply-To: <013401c87018$79f4c6f0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <013401c87018$79f4c6f0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005a01c87019$420c3a10$0200a8c0@jt2b>

We've got it on the servers at work, it's great, like an online mini backup.
Really worth it for those little cockups and you can let the users restore
their own files :-)


Jon

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Sent: 15 February 2008 21:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

Is anyone using Shadow copies with Windows 2003?  Experiences with it,
comments about it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Feb 15 17:01:01 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:01:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies
In-Reply-To: <005a01c87019$420c3a10$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <013401c87018$79f4c6f0$0401a8c0@M90>
	<005a01c87019$420c3a10$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <013501c87026$a3179900$0401a8c0@M90>

Do you think it would work for a full on backup system?  Any idea on how
long it takes to work its way through gigabytes of files? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

We've got it on the servers at work, it's great, like an online mini backup.
Really worth it for those little cockups and you can let the users restore
their own files :-)


Jon

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Sent: 15 February 2008 21:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

Is anyone using Shadow copies with Windows 2003?  Experiences with it,
comments about it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Feb 15 17:18:13 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:18:13 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies
In-Reply-To: <013501c87026$a3179900$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <013401c87018$79f4c6f0$0401a8c0@M90><005a01c87019$420c3a10$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<013501c87026$a3179900$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006401c87029$0963bac0$0200a8c0@jt2b>

As far as I'm aware, it takes a copy of the file system at intervals you set
(ours does it at 7pm every night, before the backups run, these then get
backed up to tape), and then you can tell it to hold on to so many days
worth (or a percentage of the hard drive space). I wouldn't rely on it as a
Backup (with a capital B), but it's a good cover for cockups in the last few
days. Obviously it won't go back very far, unless you give it TB of space,
in which case I want to see your server farm :-)

So in a short answer, no. And no. Hope that helps :-P


Jon

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Sent: 15 February 2008 23:01
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

Do you think it would work for a full on backup system?  Any idea on how
long it takes to work its way through gigabytes of files? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

We've got it on the servers at work, it's great, like an online mini backup.
Really worth it for those little cockups and you can let the users restore
their own files :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 15 February 2008 21:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Shadowed copies

Is anyone using Shadow copies with Windows 2003?  Experiences with it,
comments about it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Fri Feb 15 17:24:28 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Website dev question
Message-ID: <00ac01c87029$e8f26970$bad73c50$@rr.com>

Hey,

I have a friend that has a website.  He is looking for a solution that can
be added (he is not a developer, but he contracts with some that could apply
the stuff) that would give private messaging and a friends list type
functionality that would run against a MySQL database.  

Anyone have any information on anything like the above?  I am a
client-server developer but know little about web dev other than web
services.

Thanks,
Bobby


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Feb 15 18:50:21 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:50:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A few questions about media files
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920802150904m76859df2ydb17ac5b19d7b10a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s7b5d135.002@cactus.dk>,
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B027718D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>,
	<e04a6c920802150904m76859df2ydb17ac5b19d7b10a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47B6BFED.12150.3E3FADEF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Feb 2008 at 12:04, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu> wrote:
> > I stand corrected.
> >  PAL=25fps
> >
> >  Please don't shoot me before the weekend is over.
> 
> We won't shoot you. We'll just make you read the NTSC discussion that
> Gustav posted :)


Good old NTSC - Never Twice the Same Colour :-)




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 15 23:28:04 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:28:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday/weekend scaring reading: Wikipedia and JET
In-Reply-To: <s7b44666.071@cactus.dk>
References: <s7b44666.071@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1C3C9580BA064662AE607DBB7F0468FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

This Wikipedia article is comprised of 8 sections
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Jet_Database_Engine writing by
supposedly knowledgeable MDB experts. Below is posted one of the sections.
Who can find the most errors?:

<Section 1>
Architecture

Jet allowed the manipulation of relational database and was part of a
Relational Database Management System (RDBMS). It offered a single interface
that other software could use to access Microsoft databases and provided
support for security, referential integrity, transaction processing,
indexing, record and page locking, and data replication. In later versions,
the engine was extended to be able to run SQL queries, store character data
in Unicode format, create database views and allowed bi-directional
replication with Microsoft SQL Server.

There were three modules to Jet. One was the Native Jet ISAM Driver, a
dynamic link library (DLL) that could directly manipulate Microsoft Access
database files (MDB), which was a modified form of an Indexed Sequential
Access Method (ISAM) database. Another one of the modules were the ISAM
Drivers, DLLs that allowed access to ISAM databases, among them being Xbase,
Paradox, Btrieve and FoxPro files. The final module was the Data Access
Objects (DAO) DLL, DAO allowed programmers access to the Jet engine. It was
basically an object-oriented data language used by Visual Basic for
Applications and Visual Basic programmers to access Jet.

</Section 1>
 
There are so many flaws and half truths in this article it will take me a
while to know where to start. When we have finally corrected the 8 section
the present Wikipedia article can be replaced.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday/weekend scaring reading: Wikipedia and JET

I don't think it's fair to dump all this responsibility to correct this
entry upon Gustav. Even though he is a fabulously wealthy magnate with
billions to spare and allegedly retired, having nothing better to do than
play with scantily clad nympettes and write brilliant VBA code, we ought not
foist all this responsibility upon him. Amongst us all, we could revise this
entry to be accurate.

That's what Wikipedia is all about, IMO. Some dumbass posts his or her take
on some subject, and it gets revised by the more knowledgeable set of
readers and writers.

I've a niece in graduate school whose prof said, "Never trust Wikipedia". I
hate this response. It says to me, "I know where the author is incorrect,
but rather than post revisions, I shall instead declare the entire
enterprise worthless and beneath contempt."

Such persons can go fart in the nearest lake, IMO.

The whole point of Wikipedia is that we collectively fix its entries. In
this narrow and specific example, several of us, if not most, on this list,
know considerably more about JET that the author of the existing entry. The
original contributor may have thought herself in possession of most or all
the facts. Clearly this is not the case. But attacking her (or him) is
unproductive: let us fix the entry and let us not foist it upon Gustav to
fix it.

Let us not issue diatribes about the incorrectness of the original entry,
but simply and quietly and without malice render it more accurate.

How to coordinate our collective corrections is another issue, but one best
manage by Wiki itself. We can all contribute to the history of JET, to the
best of our abilities, and render this first submission a good start but
since enhanced.

A.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 07:48:20 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:48:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday/weekend scaring reading: Wikipedia and JET
References: <s7b44666.071@cactus.dk>
	<1C3C9580BA064662AE607DBB7F0468FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c870a3$a04c6340$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I eagerly await the revisions. :)

Susan H.


> Hi All:
>
> This Wikipedia article is comprised of 8 sections
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Jet_Database_Engine writing by
> supposedly knowledgeable MDB experts. Below is posted one of the sections.
> Who can find the most errors?:



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 16 13:52:51 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:52:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Library on the DBA site
In-Reply-To: <003d01c870a3$a11e3230$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s7b6ec5f.014@cactus.dk> <001201c8709f$b7bb5e40$0300a8c0@danwaters>
	<003d01c870a3$a11e3230$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <AAE8552D69A548299C361DB4731AB6FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

There is a new Library section added to the DBA
(http://www.databaseadvisors.com) web site. The section is split into 3
modules, one for books, one for articles and one for Podcast. 

This section is designed to high-lite the creations of list members. 

The present pages are by no means current or complete and are but a sample
of what our members have created. 

If you have more links and contribution please email me, Jim Lawrence at
webmaster at databaseadvisors.com
 
Regards
Jim     



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Feb 17 22:47:18 2008
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:47:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
Message-ID: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>

Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how much
memory you guys run on your desktops.

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows XP.
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
5) How do you set up your swap files?

My answers:
1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From john at winhaven.net  Sun Feb 17 22:59:13 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:59:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
In-Reply-To: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200802180459.m1I4wxID027998@databaseadvisors.com>

1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 2 gigs in desktops, 1 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) 4096 on C: (1 huge HD)




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb 17 23:18:12 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:18:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
In-Reply-To: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005801c871ed$a885d4b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I just bumped my main box a 3+GHz P4 running WXP  from 1GB to 2GB. Didn't
seem to make much difference in response time. Popular wisdom is that 1/2
gig is too little for  XP or Vista.

Adding memory was a piece of cake on this Dell box.  Pull the cover take out
the 1/2 gig modules.  Put in the 2 1 gig modules.  Done. 

These modern times - no jumpers, no bios mods.  Plug.  And play.

I never messed with the swap file.  Don't know where it is.  Where do you
set the size?

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount

Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how much
memory you guys run on your desktops.

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows XP.
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
5) How do you set up your swap files?

My answers:
1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 17 23:18:15 2008
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:18:15 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
In-Reply-To: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <47B91517.90009@earthlink.net>

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
XP,W2K
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows XP.
1G
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
2G
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
Yes
5) How do you set up your swap files?
I ignore them

PB

jwcolby wrote:
> Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how much
> memory you guys run on your desktops.
>
> 1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
> 2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows XP.
> 3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
> 4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
> 5) How do you set up your swap files?
>
> My answers:
> 1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
> 2) 512 mbytes
> 3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
> 4) Yes
> 5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Mon Feb 18 01:22:12 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:22:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
References: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0277195@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

1) Triple boot: XP for work/ XP for DJ'ing / Vista for
testing/experience
2) regular user 512MB, usually 1GB, 2G is pointless for regular users.
3) 2 GB (notebooks) 1 GB in desktops. The only way I get to and over 2
GB is when I load in a mass of pictures in Coreldraw. Even in Vista.
4) Yes, but it's not always clear what to do. I hate the principle of
per-2 they introduced again with some types after it was gone for so
many years (EDO RAM?). Some systems support per one and per 2, but it
will run slower when per one.
5) Read an tried a lot. It's mostly pointless.
Only two configs matter from y experience.
a) A swap file on a separate different physical disk, you don't use for
data (or not a lot like me).
In case of a laptop with two physical disks, like mine, don't do it, it
consumes more battery power because both disk are running all the time. 
b) "No swap file" for real time apps. But you most have plenty of RAM
for what you are doing.
I use "no swap file" for my "XP DJ'ing" boot. For a hobby I beatmix with
DJ software in my XP music boot. It's a common advice when u use
realtime apps with lots of disk activity. Good DJ software with a good
audio card uses has less than 10 milliseconds of buffer. Each little
"swap" at the wrong time can lead to a "crack" in the audio.

I tried a swap file on a "separate and dedicated" logical disk but on
the same physical disk as my os. This actually slows down your computer.
The disk head needs to move to much back and forward.

Setting a swap file on other logical disk than your os is rather a
commonly used solution when having not enough space.
You better not do that unless it's a separate physical disk.



Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount

Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how
much
memory you guys run on your desktops.

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows
XP.
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
5) How do you set up your swap files?

My answers:
1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Mon Feb 18 03:11:27 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:11:27 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2E3@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

These are my home desktop, work laptop and work desktop.

1) 2gb\1gb\1gb
2) XP\XP\2K
3) 2gb\1gb\1gb
4) Yes
5) 2.5 x RAM on separate drives if possible, otherwise 2.5 x RAM on C:


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 18 February 2008 04:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount


Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how
much memory you guys run on your desktops.

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows
XP.
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
5) How do you set up your swap files?

My answers:
1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com  Mon Feb 18 03:51:08 2008
From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:51:08 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
Message-ID: <E26A4B7632DFAC4F9390761336E47F31F1F2E6@HWEXCH99.alcuk.alcroot.itnet>

Ok, misread question 2 :-)

1gb would be my minimum, although I've used PCs with 512mb and even
256mb (or rather 248mb when you take away the 8mb that the video card
steals). Been upgrading them steadily at work though...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda 
Sent: 18 February 2008 09:11
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount


These are my home desktop, work laptop and work desktop.

1) 2gb\1gb\1gb
2) XP\XP\2K
3) 2gb\1gb\1gb
4) Yes
5) 2.5 x RAM on separate drives if possible, otherwise 2.5 x RAM on C:


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 18 February 2008 04:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount


Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how
much memory you guys run on your desktops.

1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows
XP.
3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
5) How do you set up your swap files?

My answers:
1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
2) 512 mbytes
3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
4) Yes
5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:03:10 2008
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:03:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Poll: System Memory amount
In-Reply-To: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
References: <014d01c871e9$57d38de0$0401a8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <7c8826480802181003m3f40a10ai95fa76ad161a0202@mail.gmail.com>

at work/ at home

1) windows xp professional/windows xp professional
2) 1 gig / 1 gig
3) 1 gig / 2 gig
4) no (company red tape) / yes
5) windows default / windows default


On 2/17/08, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Memory is incredibly cheap at least in the US.  I am interested in how
> much
> memory you guys run on your desktops.
>
> 1) What OS do you run on your personal / work machines.
> 2) What do you consider the minimum useful memory for running Windows XP.
> 3) How much do you have in your machine(s)
> 4) Are you comfortable adding memory to your machine(s)
> 5) How do you set up your swap files?
>
> My answers:
> 1) XP Professional, 2003 standard.
> 2) 512 mbytes
> 3) 4 gigs in desktops, 2 gigs in laptops
> 4) Yes
> 5) System administered on C:, 2X system memory on each additional drive
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Billy Pang
http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
"Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
Italian proverb


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 18 17:52:12 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:52:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Partition Magic
Message-ID: <00bc01c87289$48199020$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Somebody here, I think, knows how to work Partition Magic.  I loaded it but
got a little stumped.  I suppose I could read the tutorials but I'm a little
nervous about this.

What I want to do is take that backup partition dell gave me, which is 17GB
and either reduce it to 1GB and put the other 16 into the big partition, or
maybe just merge the whole 17GB into the big partition.  

I know there's a correct sequence of steps. I'm going to Ghost my hard drive
during dinner tonight, and see if I can't figure this out.

Any help gratefully accepted.

TIA 

Rocky



 	
	



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 18:50:10 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:50:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Partition Magic
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c87289$48199020$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00bc01c87289$48199020$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802181650g72c7fc1enfd1920d269266493@mail.gmail.com>

Make a copy of the backup partition too. Then resize it, placing the space
freed before it not after it. That will let you resize the c:\ partition to
include the space lying between the two partitions.

Arthur

On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Somebody here, I think, knows how to work Partition Magic.  I loaded it
> but
> got a little stumped.  I suppose I could read the tutorials but I'm a
> little
> nervous about this.
>
> What I want to do is take that backup partition dell gave me, which is
> 17GB
> and either reduce it to 1GB and put the other 16 into the big partition,
> or
> maybe just merge the whole 17GB into the big partition.
>
> I know there's a correct sequence of steps. I'm going to Ghost my hard
> drive
> during dinner tonight, and see if I can't figure this out.
>
> Any help gratefully accepted.
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Feb 19 00:28:48 2008
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:28:48 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Partition Magic
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802181650g72c7fc1enfd1920d269266493@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200802190628.m1J6SaJA001422@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Rocky, 
I think I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago. Arthur's advice is spot on.

You do not need to keep this partition if you have the CDs/DVDs that came
with the PC. Its just waste space - especially so since most manufacturers
size that partition _way_ too large. The manufacturers generally include the
restore disks in that partition but were forced to include disks a few years
ago too. Some manufacturers include a feature to perform backups or
snapshots which periodically record your main partition to this recovery
partition. But if the disk goes bad none of it matters cause its just a
partition. It's a silly concept in all. If they had included two separate
hard drives it would make some sense.

Take your time and read the directives and I'm sure you'll do fine.

Best of luck,
John B.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:50 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Partition Magic

Make a copy of the backup partition too. Then resize it, placing the space
freed before it not after it. That will let you resize the c:\ partition to
include the space lying between the two partitions.

Arthur

On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Somebody here, I think, knows how to work Partition Magic.  I loaded 
> it but got a little stumped.  I suppose I could read the tutorials but 
> I'm a little nervous about this.
>
> What I want to do is take that backup partition dell gave me, which is 
> 17GB and either reduce it to 1GB and put the other 16 into the big 
> partition, or maybe just merge the whole 17GB into the big partition.
>
> I know there's a correct sequence of steps. I'm going to Ghost my hard 
> drive during dinner tonight, and see if I can't figure this out.
>
> Any help gratefully accepted.
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Feb 19 14:59:21 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:59:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Students Out There?
Message-ID: <004601c8733a$4ce7dba0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

>From USA Today:

Microsoft is giving students free access to its most sophisticated tools for
writing software and making media-rich websites, a move that intensifies its
competition with Adobe Systems and could challenge open source software's
popularity.

The Redmond-based software maker said late Monday it will let students
download Visual Studio Professional Edition, a software development
environment; Expression Studio, which includes graphic design and website
and hybrid Web-desktop programming tools; and XNA Game Studio 2.0, a video
game development program.





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 18:31:52 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:31:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing to Word problem
Message-ID: <011101c87421$29a82f90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My husband is working on a data-gathering project at work. He has to import data (unknown source to him) into a Word document, but Word ignores the bottom margin. He has to insert a page break at the appropriate spot for each page. Any idea what he can do to make that happen automatically when he imports it -- I've personally never run across imported data that ignores the top and bottom margins that way. 

Susan H. 

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Feb 21 05:13:49 2008
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:13:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)
References: <s7bd62fa.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02771DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Bart's PE did not recognized the disk controller so I could not access
the disk.
Normally I would have moved the disk to another system, but I did manage
to boot in safe mode, do a chkdsk /f (cause I terminated the system when
it was in this loop) and now it boots normally...

Don't know if this really was the SP1 issue.
It does not seem to be installed.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

Interesting. Let us know if you succeed.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 11:25 >>>
I don't think so...

Boot with Bart's PE, 
Change security on "System Volume Information folder"
Recuperate previous "software" and "system" registry files
Rename current "software" and "system" registry files in
windows\system32\config folder
Copy the recuperated ones in the windows\system32\config folder

Reboot from disk and update again (without SP1)


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

What more to say than:
Happy reinstall!

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 10:48 >>>
Oh no....

I being punished for what I said yesterday....

I have a brand new HP laptop here, clients specifically demands for a
English windows
Yesterday I finished the Vista installation and windows update.

And you know what? Today I notice that laptop keeps resetting all the
time when booting :-(

I read this morning on ZDnet that Microsoft removed the SP1 update, but
apparently after I downloaded  it!!!

Erwin



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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 21 16:23:17 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:23:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02771DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <s7bd62fa.018@cactus.dk>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02771DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <009201c874d8$5bd542c0$137fc840$@rr.com>

Just as an FYI, it was not Windows update for Vista SP1, but it was Windows
Update for updates that are required to be able to apply Vista SP1 for when
Vista SP1 is released.  MS has removed those update items because of issues
like Erwin is having.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:14 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)

Bart's PE did not recognized the disk controller so I could not access
the disk.
Normally I would have moved the disk to another system, but I did manage
to boot in safe mode, do a chkdsk /f (cause I terminated the system when
it was in this loop) and now it boots normally...

Don't know if this really was the SP1 issue.
It does not seem to be installed.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

Interesting. Let us know if you succeed.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 11:25 >>>
I don't think so...

Boot with Bart's PE, 
Change security on "System Volume Information folder"
Recuperate previous "software" and "system" registry files
Rename current "software" and "system" registry files in
windows\system32\config folder
Copy the recuperated ones in the windows\system32\config folder

Reboot from disk and update again (without SP1)


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

What more to say than:
Happy reinstall!

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 10:48 >>>
Oh no....

I being punished for what I said yesterday....

I have a brand new HP laptop here, clients specifically demands for a
English windows
Yesterday I finished the Vista installation and windows update.

And you know what? Today I notice that laptop keeps resetting all the
time when booting :-(

I read this morning on ZDnet that Microsoft removed the SP1 update, but
apparently after I downloaded  it!!!

Erwin



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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 21 16:27:15 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:27:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)
In-Reply-To: <009201c874d8$5bd542c0$137fc840$@rr.com>
References: <s7bd62fa.018@cactus.dk>	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B02771DD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<009201c874d8$5bd542c0$137fc840$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <009301c874d8$e9a98ca0$bcfca5e0$@rr.com>

This is where I read about it:
http://redmondmag.com/news/rss.asp?editorialsid=9557


And here's what they suggest to do to fix it:
"White encouraged those suffering from the issue to use system restore to
correct it or call tech support at (866) PC-Safety."

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:23 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)

Just as an FYI, it was not Windows update for Vista SP1, but it was Windows
Update for updates that are required to be able to apply Vista SP1 for when
Vista SP1 is released.  MS has removed those update items because of issues
like Erwin is having.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:14 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vista SP1(moved to DBATech)

Bart's PE did not recognized the disk controller so I could not access
the disk.
Normally I would have moved the disk to another system, but I did manage
to boot in safe mode, do a chkdsk /f (cause I terminated the system when
it was in this loop) and now it boots normally...

Don't know if this really was the SP1 issue.
It does not seem to be installed.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

Interesting. Let us know if you succeed.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 11:25 >>>
I don't think so...

Boot with Bart's PE, 
Change security on "System Volume Information folder"
Recuperate previous "software" and "system" registry files
Rename current "software" and "system" registry files in
windows\system32\config folder
Copy the recuperated ones in the windows\system32\config folder

Reboot from disk and update again (without SP1)


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vista SP1

Hi Erwin

What more to say than:
Happy reinstall!

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 21-02-2008 10:48 >>>
Oh no....

I being punished for what I said yesterday....

I have a brand new HP laptop here, clients specifically demands for a
English windows
Yesterday I finished the Vista installation and windows update.

And you know what? Today I notice that laptop keeps resetting all the
time when booting :-(

I read this morning on ZDnet that Microsoft removed the SP1 update, but
apparently after I downloaded  it!!!

Erwin



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 19:20:07 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:20:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Data-Driven Calendar
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>

I'm on the lookout for a control that will display a calendar, but with each
date (perhaps) displaying a little data as well as the date. For example, an
event calendar for a night club showing who's playing on a given night, or
perhaps for a repertory cinema showing the movies playing each night. The
data would come from a simple SQL or even Access table; the trick is the
display aspect.

Anyone know where to find something like that? So far it's just for
something I'm building for my own education. I don't have any clients for
the app. It's a .NET web site for the music club I fantasize about owning :)

TIA,
Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Feb 22 19:46:55 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:46:55 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Data-Driven Calendar
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C007AF.8589.628013FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Take a look at 
http://it.cas.uc.edu/IT/how-to/HowToEventCalendar.aspx 
and
http://www.vsj.co.uk/dotnet/display.asp?id=296


On 22 Feb 2008 at 20:20, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I'm on the lookout for a control that will display a calendar, but with each
> date (perhaps) displaying a little data as well as the date. For example, an
> event calendar for a night club showing who's playing on a given night, or
> perhaps for a repertory cinema showing the movies playing each night. The
> data would come from a simple SQL or even Access table; the trick is the
> display aspect.
> 
> Anyone know where to find something like that? So far it's just for
> something I'm building for my own education. I don't have any clients for
> the app. It's a .NET web site for the music club I fantasize about owning :)



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 19:59:00 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:59:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Data-Driven Calendar
In-Reply-To: <47C007AF.8589.628013FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C007AF.8589.628013FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802221759g86ebac2y6b5594427a599d37@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome! Just what the doctor ordered. Thanks, Stuart.
A.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Take a look at
> http://it.cas.uc.edu/IT/how-to/HowToEventCalendar.aspx
> and
> http://www.vsj.co.uk/dotnet/display.asp?id=296
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 22 21:17:32 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:17:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interseting technology
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D0BE389EE5F4E97BC371FAECDC1F390@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is some more interesting technology along the lines as the macbook air
that should also be an interesting product:
http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 22 22:55:56 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:55:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP using
In-Reply-To: <47C007AF.8589.628013FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0802221720h332d3631o5c2bd5e3e0f66abb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C007AF.8589.628013FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <ADD42E63F3CC45C49187A0CF4D33382C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

I have been having a problem running the following script off my web server:

...
44: Dim fso
45: 
46: Set fso = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
...

It system bales on the above line with the following response:

Server object error 'ASP 0177: 800401f3' 
Server.CreateObject Failed 
/upload/uploader.asp, line 46 
800401f3

Considering that the latest version of scripting.filesystemobjects, for the
Server2003 have been installed and the system rebooted. It appears that all
the server objects have been registered properly; I.e: regsvr32 SCRRUN.DLL

..then when using FileMon (system Internal) the following error was isolated
when the code at line 46 was encountered:
w3wp.exe:4180	C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\comm\upload\test.asp	BUFFER OVERFLOW
Process that started it all:
w3wp.exe -a \\.\pipe\iisipm139307ef-2e69-47fa-a5fa-d53bc93ed026 -t 20 -ap
"DefaultAppPool" ... as if that would provide any clarity. 

There has been some info on the internet saying that setting w3wp.exe's
priority to Idle would solve the problem. This seems a little drastic and
the app would eventually crash anyway. There is a fix(???) out there that is
designed to manage this issue by toggling w3wp.exe to idle every second. 

http://www.linkhelpers.net/public/HeartBeat.zip	   

..but is this the solution?

Has anyone else seen this type of problem and found another solution? Maybe
there is something I have overlooked... or is Scripting.FileSystemObject
just too old of code to be running on a new server?

MTIA

Jim



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 09:16:13 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:16:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Good article
Message-ID: <00e501c876f8$33261580$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=303

=====I can't remember if I posted this last week when I first saw it or not -- if it's a repeat, I apologize. 

Susan H. 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 09:45:02 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:45:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
Message-ID: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't know what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though: 

"Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.

"I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
begins to get obscured."

I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows how to control this space, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!

Susan H. 

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Feb 24 10:15:26 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:15:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
In-Reply-To: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001201c87700$779bbe60$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Susan,

You can set indenting for a bullet style, but I don't know of a way to set
line spacing just for bullet styles.

Of course, you can modify line spacing by selecting Format | Paragraph and
working with the settings on that screen, including setting line spacing to
less than one.

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets

Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after
automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to
look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like
something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't know
what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though: 

"Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.

"I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
begins to get obscured."

I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows how
to control this space, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 24 10:18:56 2008
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:18:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
In-Reply-To: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <47C198F0.2070102@earthlink.net>

Susan

>"I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
>counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
>begins to get obscured."

Format | Paragraph | Index and spacing

PB

Susan Harkins wrote:
> Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't know what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though: 
>
> "Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
> that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
> lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
> the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
> difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.
>
> "I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
> counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
> begins to get obscured."
>
> I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows how to control this space, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!
>
> Susan H. 
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>
>
>   


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Feb 24 10:33:07 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:33:07 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
In-Reply-To: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001301c87702$efc0d090$0300a8c0@danwaters>

More on Bullets:

Format | Bullets & Numbering . . .
Then select a button style
Then push Customize to set indentation for that bullet style

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets

Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after
automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to
look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like
something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't know
what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though: 

"Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.

"I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
begins to get obscured."

I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows how
to control this space, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 10:44:01 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:44:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Set an entire HD r/o
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802240844r15819b1fq4e2229e98c7054a7@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to set an entire hard disk read-only? And if so, a way to set
it back to read-write once I'm done with my potentially catastrophic
experiment?

A.


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Feb 24 11:40:44 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:40:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Set an entire HD r/o
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802240844r15819b1fq4e2229e98c7054a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802240844r15819b1fq4e2229e98c7054a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c8770c$61fa84e0$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Yes. Login as an administrator, and set up another user which only has read
only access to that drive. Then login with THAT user, do your experiment,
and it should all be ok when you log back in as the admin.


Jon

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Sent: 24 February 2008 16:44
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Set an entire HD r/o

Is there a way to set an entire hard disk read-only? And if so, a way to set
it back to read-write once I'm done with my potentially catastrophic
experiment?

A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 11:50:01 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:50:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Set an entire HD r/o
In-Reply-To: <001501c8770c$61fa84e0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <29f585dd0802240844r15819b1fq4e2229e98c7054a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501c8770c$61fa84e0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802240950m524fef44v7942366cc7941179@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I'll give that a whirl.
A.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Yes. Login as an administrator, and set up another user which only has
> read
> only access to that drive. Then login with THAT user, do your experiment,
> and it should all be ok when you log back in as the admin.
>
>
> Jon
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 14:30:58 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:30:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Java or PHP adepts?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802241230y40e9c0c5y8417b34e0921f6c6@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone here adept at either Java or PHP or both? If so, please msg me
privately.

Arthur


From kp at sdsonline.net  Sun Feb 24 18:10:21 2008
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:10:21 +1100
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
References: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003f01c87742$d116ac10$6401a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Susan - maybe they need to go over the basics of Word paragraph formats to 
really understand what is happening with their bullets.

I would get them to:

- Select the entire block of text where the bullets are
- Use the Ctrl+Q format which will remove ANY paragraph formats in the 
select text.
- Turn on the Show/Hide icon so they can see any tabs / hard returns etc 
they have entered and remove them all.
- Use Format, Paragraph etc to create the bullets.
- Use Format, Paragraph etc. to re-apply the spacing they need (single, 
double or somewhere in between) that they need.

It sounds like they have some extra hard returns that they are not seeing? 
Ot a combination of difft. spacings in there which must be throwing out 
their spacing, so the Ctrl+Q should sort that out.....

And they may need to be reminded that:

- On the lines where they WANT a bullet they should use enter as they enter 
text.
- Where they want a line break but no bullet they should use Shift+enter to 
create a soft return.

hth
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:45 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets


> Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after 
> automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to 
> look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like 
> something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't know 
> what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though:
>
> "Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
> that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
> lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
> the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
> difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.
>
> "I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
> counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
> begins to get obscured."
>
> I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows 
> how to control this space, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 18:12:33 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:12:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
References: <011001c876fc$397ae290$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003f01c87742$d116ac10$6401a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <00f101c87743$1fe2ca90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

There's a lot of good ideas here Kath -- thanks!

Susan H.


> Susan - maybe they need to go over the basics of Word paragraph formats to
> really understand what is happening with their bullets.
>
> I would get them to:
>
> - Select the entire block of text where the bullets are
> - Use the Ctrl+Q format which will remove ANY paragraph formats in the
> select text.
> - Turn on the Show/Hide icon so they can see any tabs / hard returns etc
> they have entered and remove them all.
> - Use Format, Paragraph etc to create the bullets.
> - Use Format, Paragraph etc. to re-apply the spacing they need (single,
> double or somewhere in between) that they need.
>
> It sounds like they have some extra hard returns that they are not seeing?
> Ot a combination of difft. spacings in there which must be throwing out
> their spacing, so the Ctrl+Q should sort that out.....
>
> And they may need to be reminded that:
>
> - On the lines where they WANT a bullet they should use enter as they 
> enter
> text.
> - Where they want a line break but no bullet they should use Shift+enter 
> to
> create a soft return.
>
> hth
> Kath
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:45 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] automated bullets
>
>
>> Does anyone know if there's a way to control the leading before and after
>> automated bullets in any of the Word applications? I'm just beginning to
>> look around and I've never looked before -- this doesn't sound like
>> something I'm going to find. Here's what I got from the reader (don't 
>> know
>> what scrunch-up feature he's talking about though:
>>
>> "Hey, if you are the 'How do I' guy, then maybe you can do another thing
>> that I have trouble with in Powerpoint. It is the space between the
>> lines. When there are bullets, sometimes there is lots of space between
>> the lines. Sometimes there is much less. I don't know what's causing the
>> difference. Doesn't seem to be the font size.
>>
>> "I know there is a 'scrunch-up' command (and an 'un-scrunch-up'
>> counterpart), but you use that more than once or twice and the text
>> begins to get obscured."
>>
>> I probably don't need really specific instructions, but if someone knows
>> how to control this space, please point me in the right direction. 
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Susan H.
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 13:39:27 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:39:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Chinese spam
Message-ID: <044d01c877e6$239a7e50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Okay, this is a bit off topic, but why do I keep getting spam in Chinese? I mean, I can't read Chinese, don't visit sites that are in Chinese, and just have no clue who or why anyone would waste efforts by sending spam in Chinese. 

Susan H. 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 25 14:38:33 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:38:33 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Chinese spam
In-Reply-To: <044d01c877e6$239a7e50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <044d01c877e6$239a7e50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <471C83E60F96418796704486E5104E96@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It is no effort to send spam. 

Recently a friend had his mail server hacked and a very sophisticated
'zombie' was inserted that allowed mail from some other unknown location to
be forwarded, using a sequential numbering system to everyone. There were no
logs kept or anything that would get back to the hacker... This was not a
little hacker job but a highly complex piece of code probably written by
company that specializes in spam.

The only reason he found out was that his own mail was being blocked by his
ISP. For the last couple of weeks he has been trying to get his site off all
the black-lists. 

To make a short story long, the email spam you received is probably being
sent from some unaware server, feed from some remote site in China and it
just happened to increment to your mail address... random stuff.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:39 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Chinese spam

Okay, this is a bit off topic, but why do I keep getting spam in Chinese? I
mean, I can't read Chinese, don't visit sites that are in Chinese, and just
have no clue who or why anyone would waste efforts by sending spam in
Chinese. 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 14:50:51 2008
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:50:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Chinese spam
References: <044d01c877e6$239a7e50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<471C83E60F96418796704486E5104E96@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <04ff01c877f0$1d85bf20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well random makes sense. I don't really understand how or why, but I can 
accept that it's random.

Susan H.


> It is no effort to send spam.
>
>
> To make a short story long, the email spam you received is probably being
> sent from some unaware server, feed from some remote site in China and it
> just happened to increment to your mail address... random stuff.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 17:04:35 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:04:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Thu Feb 28 17:12:52 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:12:52 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301c87a5f$7196d010$0200a8c0@jt2b>

If there is I've not found one, sorry Arthur. Well, apart from keeping the
package it came in :-)


Jon

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: 28 February 2008 23:05
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 28 17:23:08 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:23:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007301c87a60$e0e719b0$a2b54d10$@rr.com>

I don't know of something that tells the type and speed of the RAM, but
Belarc Advisor will tell you how much is in each slot.

This is from my system:

2048 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM2' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' has 512 MB

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 28 17:24:32 2008
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:24:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <007401c87a61$15ed51b0$41c7f510$@rr.com>

These disclaimers are at the bottom of the report:
c. Memory slot contents may not add up to Installed Memory if some memory is
not recognized by Windows.
d. Memory slot contents is reported by the motherboard BIOS. Contact system
vendor if slot contents are wrong.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at sc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:23 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAM question

I don't know of something that tells the type and speed of the RAM, but
Belarc Advisor will tell you how much is in each slot.

This is from my system:

2048 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM2' has 512 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' has 512 MB

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From kens.programming at verizon.net  Thu Feb 28 17:26:55 2008
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (kens.programming)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:26:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c87a61$68b5f230$6b01a8c0@Stoker.com>

The closest I have come to something like this is called Belarc Advisor.
However, it doesn't tell me much about the RAM except which slots are
filled/empty and what the size in each slot is.  See below.

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
Slot 'A2' is Empty
Slot 'A3' is Empty

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 28 17:26:22 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:26:22 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I call the manufacturer.  Had to do this a couple times in the last few
months with my Dell boxes.  Give them the model, they can tell you right
away.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Thu Feb 28 17:37:06 2008
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:37:06 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>

Not quite, they'll tell you what SHOULD be in it, or their minimum spec.
What's actually in it could be completely different.

You can get pretty much the same thing (or the Kingston equivalent) using
their memory configurator at www.kingston.com, if it's a manufactured
computer/server, rather than a home built system.


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: 28 February 2008 23:26
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM question

I call the manufacturer.  Had to do this a couple times in the last few
months with my Dell boxes.  Give them the model, they can tell you right
away.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question

Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 17:41:34 2008
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:41:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>

And I don't see calling the manufacturer as being EASIER than opening
the cover. Especially since they made the covers so easy to pop off.

GK

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> Not quite, they'll tell you what SHOULD be in it, or their minimum spec.
>  What's actually in it could be completely different.
>
>  You can get pretty much the same thing (or the Kingston equivalent) using
>  their memory configurator at www.kingston.com, if it's a manufactured
>  computer/server, rather than a home built system.
>
>
>  Jon
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
>  Beach Access Software
>  Sent: 28 February 2008 23:26
>  To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>
>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM question
>
>  I call the manufacturer.  Had to do this a couple times in the last few
>  months with my Dell boxes.  Give them the model, they can tell you right
>  away.
>
>  Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
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>  [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:05 PM
>  To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>  Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
>
>  Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
>  opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
>  speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
>  although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
>  I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
>  avoid.
>
>  TIA,
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 17:51:49 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:51:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802281551n63d445d3i6c036a0483cc8d18@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, all.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> And I don't see calling the manufacturer as being EASIER than opening
> the cover. Especially since they made the covers so easy to pop off.
>
> GK
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 28 17:57:28 2008
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:57:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com><01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01bf01c87a65$ad166230$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Well, yeah.  But his parameter was "what kind of RAM is installed in a box
without  opening it?"

Follow the rules, now.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM question

And I don't see calling the manufacturer as being EASIER than opening the
cover. Especially since they made the covers so easy to pop off.

GK

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> Not quite, they'll tell you what SHOULD be in it, or their minimum spec.
>  What's actually in it could be completely different.
>
>  You can get pretty much the same thing (or the Kingston equivalent) 
> using  their memory configurator at www.kingston.com, if it's a 
> manufactured  computer/server, rather than a home built system.
>
>
>  Jon
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at  Beach Access Software
>  Sent: 28 February 2008 23:26
>  To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>
>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM question
>
>  I call the manufacturer.  Had to do this a couple times in the last 
> few  months with my Dell boxes.  Give them the model, they can tell 
> you right  away.
>
>  Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
>  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:05 PM
>  To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>  Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
>
>  Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without  
> opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, 
> the  speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. 
> Even better,  although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots
are available.
>  I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd 
> rather  avoid.
>
>  TIA,
>  Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 18:02:02 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:02:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <01bf01c87a65$ad166230$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bd01c87a61$54e21c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<008401c87a62$d44710f0$0200a8c0@jt2b>
	<aea6c4950802281541u74a9cd36j18c3e1f9a0f4b5f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bf01c87a65$ad166230$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802281602s1ec74d0av3cea86d215d40e5c@mail.gmail.com>

And besides opening it, I'd have to yank one of the chips so I can read the
label etc. Oh yeah, and locate my glasses first so I can read the label once
I yank the chip. "I grow old, I grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my
trousers rolled," as T.S. Eliot put it.

A.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Well, yeah.  But his parameter was "what kind of RAM is installed in a box
> without  opening it?"
>
> Follow the rules, now.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>


From djkr at msn.com  Thu Feb 28 18:56:48 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:56:48 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281602s1ec74d0av3cea86d215d40e5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV161E7A3738BD6DDDB7CC3AD2140@phx.gbl>

Two thoughts for you, Arthur (from someone older and wiser - well, lazier):

1.	RAM - I use Crucial's System Scanner -
http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/ - which gives you much of what you
want, maybe everything.  I like Crucial because they *guarantee* compatible
upgrades.  And their on-line live technical support seems good too.

But if you do open the box:
2.	Forget yanking the chip.  That's what I used to do.  Get a compact
digital camera with a reasonable macro facility, poke it into the PC and
blast away: obscurely placed tiny bits of information (serial numbers,
jumper settings, etc) yield up their secrets after a few attempts.  You can
probably blow up the picture enough not to need your glasses, *and* you've
got a documented record.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 29 February 2008 00:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM question


And besides opening it, I'd have to yank one of the chips so I can read the
label etc. Oh yeah, and locate my glasses first so I can read the label once
I yank the chip. "I grow old, I grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my
trousers rolled," as T.S. Eliot put it.

A.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Well, yeah.  But his parameter was "what kind of RAM is installed in a 
> box without  opening it?"
>
> Follow the rules, now.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 19:17:19 2008
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV161E7A3738BD6DDDB7CC3AD2140@phx.gbl>
References: <29f585dd0802281602s1ec74d0av3cea86d215d40e5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU103-DAV161E7A3738BD6DDDB7CC3AD2140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0802281717h5b9a8f68sfee78618f757e191@mail.gmail.com>

That's a nice little utility! It did precisely what I wanted.

A.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM, DJK(John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Two thoughts for you, Arthur (from someone older and wiser - well,
> lazier):
>
> 1.      RAM - I use Crucial's System Scanner -
> http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/ - which gives you much of what you
> want, maybe everything.  I like Crucial because they *guarantee*
> compatible
> upgrades.  And their on-line live technical support seems good too.
>
> But if you do open the box:
> 2.      Forget yanking the chip.  That's what I used to do.  Get a compact
> digital camera with a reasonable macro facility, poke it into the PC and
> blast away: obscurely placed tiny bits of information (serial numbers,
> jumper settings, etc) yield up their secrets after a few attempts.  You
> can
> probably blow up the picture enough not to need your glasses, *and* you've
> got a documented record.
>
> John
>


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Fri Feb 29 01:06:27 2008
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:06:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMELGDOAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

How about http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 00:05
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] RAM question


Is there a way to tell what kind of RAM is installed in a box without
opening it? I'd like to know the type of RAM, the size of the modules, the
speed, etc., and determine all this while the box is running. Even better,
although I don't expect it, would be to know how many slots are available.
I'll tear the box open if need be, I guess, but it's a hassle I'd rather
avoid.

TIA,
Arthur
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