From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Mar 1 18:31:42 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:31:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] ASP nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0802281504v14994fe3u542d955e0d170e3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <650530F360604F188D1AB7F6B7258432@creativesystemdesigns.com> I run a test bed IIS 6 server for a number of client systems using everything from ColdFusion to PHP and from standard HTML to ASP.Net. A number of sites run straight ASP. (The Database Advisors web site http://www.databaseadvisors.com is one example.) Early last week, seeing the Server is 2003, an upgrade fro fso.objects was recommended via MS. The upload and install was performed and everything ran fine....NOT! >From then on ASP applications work fail. With the error: Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0201' Invalid Default Script Language The default script language specified for this application is invalid. There is nothing wrong with the IIS configuration, the security... to that end, the IIS server has been removed completely and replaced, twice. ASP is also completely replaced within this process. There is obviously nothing changed with IIS or ASP but the Server 2003 has had some subtle changes made to either the directory/file permissions or to some entry in the registry. A week later...no joy. Has anyone had similar problems and found a solution. (Sorry no current system backups... so the next step is a dreaded system re-install.) MTIA Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:49:25 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:49:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word export question Message-ID: <059301c87efa$06a43e10$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Does anyone know if there's a built-in way to export a TOC or end notes section? If there is, I can't find it. Susan Harkins From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 16:02:15 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:02:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Read Acrobat Forms? Message-ID: <29f585dd0803051402p7f77bd8xc940750e247fd0e7@mail.gmail.com> Several times I have written apps that create PDF files, but this time the client wants to know whether we can go in the reverse direction. People can fill in an Acrobat form then submit it to my client, who then wants to import the data from the form and plonk it into an Access database. I've never gone in this direction. Can it be done? It's a non-starter if it requires a full copy of Acrobat, since there will be several users in each of a couple of dozen offices and the client doesn't want to spend that much money on this process. Anyone know what the alternatives are? TIA, Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 17:45:03 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:45:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Read Acrobat Forms? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803051402p7f77bd8xc940750e247fd0e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803051402p7f77bd8xc940750e247fd0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CF307F.9020708@earthlink.net> >People can >fill in an Acrobat form then submit it to my client I think the licenced version of Foxit! 2.2 can do that, and it's a damn sight cheaper than Acrobat Professional. PB Arthur Fuller wrote: > Several times I have written apps that create PDF files, but this time the > client wants to know whether we can go in the reverse direction. People can > fill in an Acrobat form then submit it to my client, who then wants to > import the data from the form and plonk it into an Access database. I've > never gone in this direction. Can it be done? It's a non-starter if it > requires a full copy of Acrobat, since there will be several users in each > of a couple of dozen offices and the client doesn't want to spend that much > money on this process. > > Anyone know what the alternatives are? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 18:23:32 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:23:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Read Acrobat Forms? In-Reply-To: <47CF307F.9020708@earthlink.net> References: <29f585dd0803051402p7f77bd8xc940750e247fd0e7@mail.gmail.com> <47CF307F.9020708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803051623m5264d0c8t42b3477710441851@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I just cruised the site and emailed the company for more info. A. On 3/5/08, Peter Brawley wrote: > > >People can > >fill in an Acrobat form then submit it to my client > > > I think the licenced version of Foxit! 2.2 can do that, and it's a damn > sight cheaper than Acrobat Professional. > > PB > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 18:31:18 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:31:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form Message-ID: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> How does one create the equivalent of an Access autoform in single-row mode. It's simple enough to create a grid, but I need a single-row form, and I can't see a control like that. Do I have to build it control by control? Boring! Can't I just drag a table onto the form and indicate that I don't want a grid, but a single form? I like grids, but this app is different. Oh, if it matters, this is .NET 2005 talking to SQL 2005. TIA, Arthur From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Mar 8 18:47:24 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:47:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> Arthur, Couldn't you drag the fields to the form and then line up the fields so that it looks like a one-row grid? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form How does one create the equivalent of an Access autoform in single-row mode. It's simple enough to create a grid, but I need a single-row form, and I can't see a control like that. Do I have to build it control by control? Boring! Can't I just drag a table onto the form and indicate that I don't want a grid, but a single form? I like grids, but this app is different. Oh, if it matters, this is .NET 2005 talking to SQL 2005. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 19:03:32 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:03:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I guess. I'm just surprised that it must be done that way. One gets too used to Access's ease of use :) A. On 3/8/08, Bobby Heid wrote: > > Arthur, > > Couldn't you drag the fields to the form and then line up the fields so > that > it looks like a one-row grid? > > Bobby > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 19:18:32 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:18:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> I withdraw my complaint. The alignment and sizing features are even better than in Access. A. On 3/8/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, I guess. I'm just surprised that it must be done that way. One gets > too used to Access's ease of use :) > > A. > From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Mar 8 20:07:47 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:07:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> LOL. I know what you mean. Now that I'm in .Net (VS 2008), I find it sometimes archaic to go back to Access. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form I withdraw my complaint. The alignment and sizing features are even better than in Access. A. On 3/8/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, I guess. I'm just surprised that it must be done that way. One gets > too used to Access's ease of use :) > > A. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 8 20:12:45 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:12:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is AccessD down? Message-ID: <01dd01c8818b$110f6d00$0201a8c0@M90> I don't seem to be getting posts on the Access list. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 20:15:16 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:15:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is AccessD down? In-Reply-To: <01dd01c8818b$110f6d00$0201a8c0@M90> References: <01dd01c8818b$110f6d00$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803081815x13710e58tee0ed15869554915@mail.gmail.com> It's not down. A. On 3/8/08, jwcolby wrote: > > I don't seem to be getting posts on the Access list. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 8 22:28:50 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:28:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> Message-ID: <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:08 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form LOL. I know what you mean. Now that I'm in .Net (VS 2008), I find it sometimes archaic to go back to Access. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form I withdraw my complaint. The alignment and sizing features are even better than in Access. A. On 3/8/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, I guess. I'm just surprised that it must be done that way. One > gets too used to Access's ease of use :) > > A. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1318 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 2:01 PM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 06:38:45 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:38:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet to explore the differences between it and classic Python. A. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > Rocky > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 08:52:41 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:52:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would obviously be way more efficient. Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost identical. One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing to the problem it solves. I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the form and display the solution. There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the problem in the first place, but that aside....) Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, but that can wait for a while too. Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. TIA, Arthur On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this thing > in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself Python, and > have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet to explore the > differences between it and classic Python. > A. > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > Rocky > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 9 09:07:34 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:07:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com><000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com><29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com><000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com><002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c881ee$ec6e24a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Interesting. I started writing one with Noah (my younger son) but never finished it. We were using a brute force method of initializing each of the squares with all nine numbers and eliminating possibilities based on various rules. Got about half way there before other stuff got in the way and we never finished it. What methods are you using to solve the puzzle? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would obviously be way more efficient. Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost identical. One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing to the problem it solves. I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the form and display the solution. There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the problem in the first place, but that aside....) Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, but that can wait for a while too. Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. TIA, Arthur On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this > thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself > Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet > to explore the differences between it and classic Python. > A. > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > wrote: > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 09:28:07 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:28:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <000a01c881ee$ec6e24a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c881ee$ec6e24a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090728g7f1738a5le4ebd92b23aafcf4@mail.gmail.com> There's an intermediate table which I populate with a bunch of rows corresponding to the available numbers (unused) and a row-column designator. The number of rows manufactured for this table depends on the number of numbers supplied in the problem, obviously. From there, a series of elaborate joins to the Problem table's row eventually results in a solution. Arrays are obviously a much more efficient approach (one for each sub-square and a big one corresponding to my intermediate table), but I wanted to see if I could do it in TSQL alone. Now that I have proved that I can, I will eventually get around to doing it the "right" way. But I need to do a few more things to this program to make it presentable, first. When I've got the first version done, I'll post it, and then set to work on the array-version. A. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Interesting. I started writing one with Noah (my younger son) but never > finished it. We were using a brute force method of initializing each of > the > squares with all nine numbers and eliminating possibilities based on > various > rules. Got about half way there before other stuff got in the way and we > never finished it. > > What methods are you using to solve the puzzle? > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > > I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku problem > solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in TSQL no less > LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. I've tracked down > some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest one I've found so far > takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the code can be optimized > significantly, but I wanted to see whether I could do it in TSQL rather > than > simply using arrays, which would obviously be way more efficient. > > Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost > identical. > One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The > Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all the > magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing to the > problem it solves. > > I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I need > to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: > > 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. > 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the form > and > display the solution. > > There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to postpone > that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more than one > solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the problem in > the > first place, but that aside....) > > Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far avoided > because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, so they all > contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem could be posed > that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So eventually I will need > a > timer so I stop looking after a while. I think. I'm not sure whether I can > prove that problem X is unsolvable, but that can wait for a while too. > > Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution > form > on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect before I > open > the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT COUNT(*) but I'm > not > sure how to code that and obtain the result in a variable for inspection > so > I can act accordingly. > > One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write one > method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd want > to, > necessarily, it's more a theory question. > > TIA, > Arthur > > On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this > > thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself > > Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet > > to explore the differences between it and classic Python. > > A. > > > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 9 10:02:46 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:02:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives Message-ID: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: On the Properties for a local drive there's a box you can check to compress the drive to save space. Does anyone use this feature? How much compression do you get? And does this significantly impact storage and retrieval times? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 9 10:12:08 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:12:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090728g7f1738a5le4ebd92b23aafcf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com><000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com><29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com><000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com><002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com><000a01c881ee$ec6e24a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803090728g7f1738a5le4ebd92b23aafcf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c881f7$f1565010$0301a8c0@HAL9005> A: We used arrays. I'll send you our mdb off-line - maybe give you some ideas - with the caveat that it's not working correctly at this point. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form There's an intermediate table which I populate with a bunch of rows corresponding to the available numbers (unused) and a row-column designator. The number of rows manufactured for this table depends on the number of numbers supplied in the problem, obviously. From there, a series of elaborate joins to the Problem table's row eventually results in a solution. Arrays are obviously a much more efficient approach (one for each sub-square and a big one corresponding to my intermediate table), but I wanted to see if I could do it in TSQL alone. Now that I have proved that I can, I will eventually get around to doing it the "right" way. But I need to do a few more things to this program to make it presentable, first. When I've got the first version done, I'll post it, and then set to work on the array-version. A. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Interesting. I started writing one with Noah (my younger son) but > never finished it. We were using a brute force method of initializing > each of the squares with all nine numbers and eliminating > possibilities based on various rules. Got about half way there before > other stuff got in the way and we never finished it. > > What methods are you using to solve the puzzle? > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > > I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku > problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in > TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. > I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest > one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the > code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I > could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would > obviously be way more efficient. > > Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost > identical. > One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The > Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all > the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing > to the problem it solves. > > I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I > need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: > > 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. > 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the > form and display the solution. > > There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to > postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more > than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the > problem in the first place, but that aside....) > > Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far > avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, > so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem > could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So > eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I > think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, > but that can wait for a while too. > > Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution > form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect > before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT > COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a > variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. > > One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write > one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd > want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. > > TIA, > Arthur > > On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this > > thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself > > Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet > > to explore the differences between it and classic Python. > > A. > > > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: > 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 10:14:59 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:14:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives In-Reply-To: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090814r5800db82na504978aa2d3377f@mail.gmail.com> The biggest down side to compressing a drive is that in the event that something goes wrong, you may lose almost everything, if not everything, on the compressed drive. Given the cost of big drives now (I just checked my local store, called TigerDirect.ca, and 500GB drives are $99 -- mind you, that's CDN dollars and currently they are worth more than USA dollars, so your mileage may vary.) Back in the day (late 80s) when drives were about a dollar a meg, compression made sense. No more, IMO. A. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > > Dear List: > > On the Properties for a local drive there's a box you can check to > compress > the drive to save space. Does anyone use this feature? How much > compression > do you get? And does this significantly impact storage and retrieval > times? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 9 10:27:28 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:27:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: VS.NET equivalent of single-row form Message-ID: <002101c881fa$1591e870$0301a8c0@HAL9005> A: What is your email address now? The one I have is no longer valid. R -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form A: We used arrays. I'll send you our mdb off-line - maybe give you some ideas - with the caveat that it's not working correctly at this point. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form There's an intermediate table which I populate with a bunch of rows corresponding to the available numbers (unused) and a row-column designator. The number of rows manufactured for this table depends on the number of numbers supplied in the problem, obviously. From there, a series of elaborate joins to the Problem table's row eventually results in a solution. Arrays are obviously a much more efficient approach (one for each sub-square and a big one corresponding to my intermediate table), but I wanted to see if I could do it in TSQL alone. Now that I have proved that I can, I will eventually get around to doing it the "right" way. But I need to do a few more things to this program to make it presentable, first. When I've got the first version done, I'll post it, and then set to work on the array-version. A. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > Interesting. I started writing one with Noah (my younger son) but > never finished it. We were using a brute force method of initializing > each of the squares with all nine numbers and eliminating > possibilities based on various rules. Got about half way there before > other stuff got in the way and we never finished it. > > What methods are you using to solve the puzzle? > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > > I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku > problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in > TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. > I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest > one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the > code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I > could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would > obviously be way more efficient. > > Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost > identical. > One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The > Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all > the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing > to the problem it solves. > > I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I > need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: > > 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. > 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the > form and display the solution. > > There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to > postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more > than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the > problem in the first place, but that aside....) > > Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far > avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, > so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem > could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So > eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I > think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, > but that can wait for a while too. > > Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution > form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect > before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT > COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a > variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. > > One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write > one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd > want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. > > TIA, > Arthur > > On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this > > thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself > > Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet > > to explore the differences between it and classic Python. > > A. > > > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: > 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 10:35:35 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:35:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <002101c881fa$1591e870$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <002101c881fa$1591e870$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090835p2011746egab27a4c38499667e@mail.gmail.com> fuller.artful at gmail.com. On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > A: > > What is your email address now? The one I have is no longer valid. > > > R > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com > ] > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > A: > > We used arrays. I'll send you our mdb off-line - maybe give you some > ideas > - with the caveat that it's not working correctly at this point. > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:28 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > There's an intermediate table which I populate with a bunch of rows > corresponding to the available numbers (unused) and a row-column > designator. > The number of rows manufactured for this table depends on the number of > numbers supplied in the problem, obviously. From there, a series of > elaborate joins to the Problem table's row eventually results in a > solution. > > > Arrays are obviously a much more efficient approach (one for each > sub-square > and a big one corresponding to my intermediate table), but I wanted to see > if I could do it in TSQL alone. Now that I have proved that I can, I will > eventually get around to doing it the "right" way. But I need to do a few > more things to this program to make it presentable, first. When I've got > the > first version done, I'll post it, and then set to work on the > array-version. > > A. > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > > > Interesting. I started writing one with Noah (my younger son) but > > never finished it. We were using a brute force method of initializing > > each of the squares with all nine numbers and eliminating > > possibilities based on various rules. Got about half way there before > > other stuff got in the way and we never finished it. > > > > What methods are you using to solve the puzzle? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form > > > > > > I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku > > problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in > > TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. > > I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest > > one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the > > code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I > > could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would > > obviously be way more efficient. > > > > Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost > > identical. > > One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The > > Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all > > the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing > > to the problem it solves. > > > > I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I > > need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: > > > > 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. > > 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the > > form and display the solution. > > > > There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to > > postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more > > than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the > > problem in the first place, but that aside....) > > > > Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far > > avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, > > so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem > > could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So > > eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I > > think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, > > but that can wait for a while too. > > > > Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution > > form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect > > before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT > > COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a > > variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. > > > > One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write > > one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd > > want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. > > > > TIA, > > Arthur > > > > On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this > > > thing in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself > > > Python, and have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet > > > to explore the differences between it and classic Python. > > > A. > > > > > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: > > 3/8/2008 > > 10:14 AM > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 10:43:19 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:43:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] End of the Road for Hard Disks as We Know Them? Message-ID: <29f585dd0803090843y514d8fbck36c270b43b8a3445@mail.gmail.com> NanoChip has a 100GB storage chip underway. Intel is a big investor in the firm, which promises the chip in 2009, and says the design is scalable to 1TB. Is that a terabyte in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? See http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=281 A. From fahooper at trapo.com Sun Mar 9 11:15:00 2008 From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives In-Reply-To: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000001c88200$b9bc85d0$a917c048@fred6998b25045> I've used it frequently for the scratch space folder when building cognos cubes. There, it gives about a 5:1 space improvement with no apparent effect on run time. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:03 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives Dear List: On the Properties for a local drive there's a box you can check to compress the drive to save space. Does anyone use this feature? How much compression do you get? And does this significantly impact storage and retrieval times? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 9 11:23:10 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:23:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6644A68E3756464BA2769442C0ED1CE7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: It would be very interesting to see your solution when completed. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form I'm making big progress on this little toy! I'm writing a Sudoku problem solver. Actually I have already written the solver code -- in TSQL no less LOL), and I just need a test and display harness for it. I've tracked down some allegedly difficult problems and the hardest one I've found so far takes under 3 minutes to solve. No doubt the code can be optimized significantly, but I wanted to see whether I could do it in TSQL rather than simply using arrays, which would obviously be way more efficient. Anyway, here's my current problem: I have a pair of forms, almost identical. One addresses the Problems table, the other the Solutions table. The Problems table has an Identity key. The stored procedure that does all the magic creates a row in the Solutions table having the FK pointing to the problem it solves. I have a button on the Problems form that opens the Solutions form. I need to pass it the ProblemID and have it do one of two things: 1. If the solution exists, open the form and display it. 2. If the solution doesn't exist, solve the problem, then open the form and display the solution. There is a potential wrinkle down the road, but I'm prepared to postpone that part of the problem. (A given problem could have more than one solution; this is generally considered bad form in posing the problem in the first place, but that aside....) Actually, there is a second problem, too, which I have thus far avoided because I'm taking my problems from web sites and newspapers, so they all contain problems with solutions. But in theory, a problem could be posed that obeys the setup rules but has no solution. So eventually I will need a timer so I stop looking after a while. I think. I'm not sure whether I can prove that problem X is unsolvable, but that can wait for a while too. Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution form on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect before I open the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT COUNT(*) but I'm not sure how to code that and obtain the result in a variable for inspection so I can act accordingly. One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write one method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd want to, necessarily, it's more a theory question. TIA, Arthur On 3/9/08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > C# but I found it already. But I am going to do some parts of this thing > in Python, if only for the exercise. I've been teaching myself Python, and > have installed Iron Python, but haven't tried it out yet to explore the > differences between it and classic Python. > A. > > On 3/9/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > > > Are you using VB.NET? ASP.NET? Something else? > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 9 11:35:07 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:35:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives In-Reply-To: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <001101c881f6$a2b68e30$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <479E97D1B11C4A1194C650536B39772C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: The compression depends so much on the files being stored there. A couple of years ago I did an experiment to see how space I could gain on a Firewire connected drive. The drive was being used by my wife who needs a lot of picture storage. The result was that the drive access speed dropped and there was relatively little space gained. That is when I discovered that JPEG pictures do not compress so the whole effort was for not. But with word and spreadsheet documents, for example, there should be a decent space increase. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:03 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Compressing Drives Dear List: On the Properties for a local drive there's a box you can check to compress the drive to save space. Does anyone use this feature? How much compression do you get? And does this significantly impact storage and retrieval times? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 9 14:23:50 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:23:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] End of the Road for Hard Disks as We Know Them? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090843y514d8fbck36c270b43b8a3445@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803090843y514d8fbck36c270b43b8a3445@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c8821b$1aea26e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Did you see this link in the article? http://themeanestmanalive.blogspot.com/2008/01/mma-mathematician.html Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] End of the Road for Hard Disks as We Know Them? NanoChip has a 100GB storage chip underway. Intel is a big investor in the firm, which promises the chip in 2009, and says the design is scalable to 1TB. Is that a terabyte in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? See http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=281 A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Mar 9 17:21:44 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:21:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803081631s209fa43dt15468a8269b9535a@mail.gmail.com> <000901c8817f$249d2fd0$6dd78f70$@rr.com> <29f585dd0803081703y1ac8c211o5c590cfc24dcac9@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803081718h60d7b95k57e259b7b97cee71@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c8818a$5fdc1d30$1f945790$@rr.com> <002301c8819e$136a7960$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803090438g36e75cadj385c8922069213f@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0803090652w7b2a189awfb92db21cc3193f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c88233$f50cf830$df26e890$@rr.com> Arthur, Comments in-line. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VS.NET equivalent of single-row form >Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself here. I just need to open the Solution form >on the right solution (identified by ProblemID), and to detect before I open >the form whether there is a solution -- a simple SELECT COUNT(*) but I'm not >sure how to code that and obtain the result in a variable for inspection so >I can act accordingly. Look at the ExecuteScalar method on the Database object you are using. This method returns a scalar value from a stored procedure. The ExecuteNonQuery method calls the sproc, but does not expect a return value. You can get still get values back from the sproc if you used OUT parameters. If you want to return a recordset, you use the ExecuteReader method and then access the individual rows of the dataset returned via a DataReader object. I have used the MS Data Access Block, which to me, helps simply the data access in a mostly back-end agnostic way. >One more question: can I mix languages in a single module? e.g. write one >method in C# and another in VB and a third in Python? Not that I'd want to, >necessarily, it's more a theory question. Yes, if they are in different assemblies. I think, but am not sure that they would have to be in different projects. But, you can have multiple projects under one solution. >TIA, >Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 09:04:30 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:04:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? Message-ID: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/my-privacy/ Susan H. From jon.tydda at alcontrol.com Mon Mar 10 09:17:46 2008 From: jon.tydda at alcontrol.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:17:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? Message-ID: Not sure if I'm reading it properly, but wouldn't installing a firewall stop people from being able to hack your personal information, and a lot more besides? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 10 March 2008 14:05 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/my-privacy/ Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Mar 10 09:23:58 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:23:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? In-Reply-To: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001301c882ba$6117b250$0300a8c0@danwaters> I scanned the comments - generally not good. It's probably just a mechanism to lead you into purchases it will say that you need because of all the 'stuff' it will find on your PC. I'm not paranoid - am I? Some of the reviewers mentioned using CCleaner - which I also use and like. My favorite feature is that you can identify which cookies you want to keep, and delete the rest! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:05 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/my-privacy/ Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 09:30:28 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:30:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? References: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <001301c882ba$6117b250$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <029301c882bb$66de5080$4b3a8343@SusanOne> >I scanned the comments - generally not good. It's probably just a >mechanism > to lead you into purchases it will say that you need because of all the > 'stuff' it will find on your PC. I'm not paranoid - am I? =====Paranoid? Why do you think I asked!!!!????? :) Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Mar 10 12:36:25 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:36:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? In-Reply-To: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <020c01c882b8$bcd2e3f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <2FD56E2F74474F90B536D5F4F7525821@creativesystemdesigns.com> Interesting...? Sent the link on to some fellow home business friends and will see what they say. The program seems to be designed to track and find any personal information on your personal PC and of course there is going be. That is why we all have a Firewall-Router protecting our computers from the internet... we do don't we?? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:05 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone familiar with this? http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/my-privacy/ Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 10:51:50 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:51:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't find Database options in Word Message-ID: <001e01c8838f$e0caacc0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Word 2003 has the Database toolbar which makes it easy to grab Access data. Just display the toolbar -- it's a great tool. I can't find an equivalent in Word 2007 and can't find anything about it in Help or any reference document. Anyone know where the equivalent is in 2007? I know toolbars are gone, but I can't find anything anywhere that even resembles this 2003 feature. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 11:18:07 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:18:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Can't find Database options in Word Message-ID: <006601c88393$877c4a80$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Nevermind -- finally found it. You have to add it to the Quick Access toolbar. I actually looked for it before sending the first message and just managed to look right over it. :( Susan H. Word 2003 has the Database toolbar which makes it easy to grab Access data. Just display the toolbar -- it's a great tool. I can't find an equivalent in Word 2007 and can't find anything about it in Help or any reference document. Anyone know where the equivalent is in 2007? I know toolbars are gone, but I can't find anything anywhere that even resembles this 2003 feature. Susan H. From djkr at msn.com Tue Mar 11 19:50:23 2008 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:50:23 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug In-Reply-To: <006601c88393$877c4a80$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: "Microsoft admits big delay on Home Server bug fix" - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/11/microsoft_windows_home_server_bug/ I wonder what happened to the "evangelist" ... John From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Mar 11 20:12:15 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:12:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with dbReadOnly option Message-ID: <000301c883de$1bf15bc0$0300a8c0@danwaters> I've come across a problem that seems to be a bug. With this code: Dim stg As String Dim rst As DAO.Recordset stg = "SELECT * FROM tblTest" 1) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, dbReadOnly) 2) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, , dbReadOnly) 3) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, dbReadOnly, dbReadOnly) Line 1 works, as the help file says it should. But putting dbReadOnly into this position is now obsoleted. Line 2 does not work, but help says that this is now the correct way to do it. Line 3 does work, even though help explicitly says that this will cause an error. Anyone have similar experiences or know what is happening? Thanks! Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Mar 11 20:16:39 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:16:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug In-Reply-To: References: <006601c88393$877c4a80$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000101c883de$b998db00$0201a8c0@M90> I am not happy, I can tell you that. I always ran WHS on a RAID system which all by itself eliminated part of the problem. It ruenrd out that I also ran it on a Single Large Volume, which eliminated the rest of the problem. However those two "fixes" only work up to slightly less than 2 terabytes of storage at which point you have to add more storage to the pool. When you do that all hell breaks loose. Microsoft is madly minimizing the danger but it isn't as small as they would have us believe. I have no idea how I could have done so... ;-) but I managed to piss them off and they banned me from their forum as well. 8-0 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug "Microsoft admits big delay on Home Server bug fix" - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/11/microsoft_windows_home_server_bug/ I wonder what happened to the "evangelist" ... John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Mar 11 22:03:20 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:03:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug In-Reply-To: <000101c883de$b998db00$0201a8c0@M90> References: <006601c88393$877c4a80$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <000101c883de$b998db00$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: Hi John: Good for you John. Sometime these guys at MS get just too cocky. I am embroiled in a problem with my IIS server. After downloading and installing the latest Server2003 File System Objects package, my IIS stopped supporting ASP Two weeks later ASP still did not work so finally I phoned MS. After a numbers of visits, about 5 hours logged, two senior techs have ran out of solutions, on the incident and a third fellow will be phoning tomorrow. So far ASP will now display a web site but can not connect to a SQL server yet. There is a third piece to the puzzle that the ASP mail no longer works but as it was only just discovered they will not allow it as part of the single incident. Considering the problem was cause by one of their products it seems that I am paying for their mistake. The last time I phoned for help with product (1998-1999) from MS was when an IE version crashed (timed out in download... as their servers were over taxed) half way through an install. I had to re-install the server to fix that one. It was on my main NT server and again the incident was caused by one of their applications. Now I fell better. Well you should have everything running by June... race you. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug I am not happy, I can tell you that. I always ran WHS on a RAID system which all by itself eliminated part of the problem. It ruenrd out that I also ran it on a Single Large Volume, which eliminated the rest of the problem. However those two "fixes" only work up to slightly less than 2 terabytes of storage at which point you have to add more storage to the pool. When you do that all hell breaks loose. Microsoft is madly minimizing the danger but it isn't as small as they would have us believe. I have no idea how I could have done so... ;-) but I managed to piss them off and they banned me from their forum as well. 8-0 John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug "Microsoft admits big delay on Home Server bug fix" - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/11/microsoft_windows_home_server_bug/ I wonder what happened to the "evangelist" ... John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Mar 11 22:21:59 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:21:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with dbReadOnly option In-Reply-To: <000301c883de$1bf15bc0$0300a8c0@danwaters> References: <000301c883de$1bf15bc0$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <190B49C9A54F4555859E97B783C2780C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Without looking carefully into the issue you should note the parameters have a set of defaults if no value is stated and each of the parameters just translate to a numeric value. Example; and I am just substituting guess values as the real value will differ: dbOpenDynaset is a value of 2 (this is from memory...) dbReadOnly is a value of 4 ...and a space might have a default value of 4. There might be spaces for 5 parameter values and as long as the values fall within their appropriate positions, are appropriately a 'string' or 'numeric' and within the range of values expected, things will work but not necessarily as you expect. I.E.: Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, 2, 4) ' Is the same as: Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, dbReadOnly) Just as CurrentDb() is the same as DBEngine(0)(0) HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with dbReadOnly option I've come across a problem that seems to be a bug. With this code: Dim stg As String Dim rst As DAO.Recordset stg = "SELECT * FROM tblTest" 1) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, dbReadOnly) 2) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, , dbReadOnly) 3) Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenDynaset, dbReadOnly, dbReadOnly) Line 1 works, as the help file says it should. But putting dbReadOnly into this position is now obsoleted. Line 2 does not work, but help says that this is now the correct way to do it. Line 3 does work, even though help explicitly says that this will cause an error. Anyone have similar experiences or know what is happening? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 12 02:32:45 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug Message-ID: Hi John I would regard that as a compliment. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 12-03-2008 02:16 >>> I have no idea how I could have done so... ;-) but I managed to piss them off and they banned me from their forum as well. 8-0 From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 12 02:35:34 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:35:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug Message-ID: Hi Jim This is an example where it could have been an advantage to run it in a VMware virtual server, as this can take a snapshot of the complete installation before you apply anything new - patches, updates, new install, config changes etc. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-03-2008 04:03 >>> Hi John: Good for you John. Sometime these guys at MS get just too cocky. I am embroiled in a problem with my IIS server. After downloading and installing the latest Server2003 File System Objects package, my IIS stopped supporting ASP Two weeks later ASP still did not work so finally I phoned MS. After a numbers of visits, about 5 hours logged, two senior techs have ran out of solutions, on the incident and a third fellow will be phoning tomorrow. So far ASP will now display a web site but can not connect to a SQL server yet. There is a third piece to the puzzle that the ASP mail no longer works but as it was only just discovered they will not allow it as part of the single incident. Considering the problem was cause by one of their products it seems that I am paying for their mistake. The last time I phoned for help with product (1998-1999) from MS was when an IE version crashed (timed out in download... as their servers were over taxed) half way through an install. I had to re-install the server to fix that one. It was on my main NT server and again the incident was caused by one of their applications. Now I fell better. Well you should have everything running by June... race you. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 12 11:44:00 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interseting piece of software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <067892F05CD74F3D8D0A231574287B85@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is an interesting piece of software that is new or new to me. First the preamble: For a couple of years I have been using or trying to use 'Skype' as my long distance phone provider. The first year was a demo year, so there were no costs and I ran the product up on all the workstations. The next year I purchased it but just for my main business station. Now it works intermittently... It appears that the paid version of 'Skype' tries to make sure its license is not being abused by being run on multiple stations. The navigation of my router and server system is too complex for its little brain, at one point it produces a false negative and it stops running. No amount of calls and emails to Skype support has resolved the issue as it would probably take a redesign to fix their product. My son-in-law has sent me a link to what appears to be the next generation of internet long distance provider software and I am curious if anyone else is using, tried to use Gizmo?: http://www.gizmoproject.com/download.php Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 12 12:15:33 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:15:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav; you are right in that I should have made a backup/snap-shot/ISO before attempting to install... just getting careless but as a regular supply of updates arrive from MS and I have had no ill effects, for years. I just became a little complacent. It will be a while before I make that mistake again. ...But I made the decision to add a new server to the mix. The hardware should be box with capacity for 8GB and have a couple of half tera-byte drives. May only install 4GB now and 4 later. I have a new copy of MS Server enterprise 64 bit 2008 as well of SQL 2008 and hope to install them along with the new MS virtual servers. My plan is to make the base server as plain as possible and place all the functionality in the Virtual servers. According to MS, the new virtual servers only loss between 2 and 4 percent in performance in comparison with 15% for the older versions. There is also a snap-shot feature installed which parallels VMware's functionality. It should be ready by the weekend. So we will see... keep you posted. ...any insights? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug Hi Jim This is an example where it could have been an advantage to run it in a VMware virtual server, as this can take a snapshot of the complete installation before you apply anything new - patches, updates, new install, config changes etc. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-03-2008 04:03 >>> Hi John: Good for you John. Sometime these guys at MS get just too cocky. I am embroiled in a problem with my IIS server. After downloading and installing the latest Server2003 File System Objects package, my IIS stopped supporting ASP Two weeks later ASP still did not work so finally I phoned MS. After a numbers of visits, about 5 hours logged, two senior techs have ran out of solutions, on the incident and a third fellow will be phoning tomorrow. So far ASP will now display a web site but can not connect to a SQL server yet. There is a third piece to the puzzle that the ASP mail no longer works but as it was only just discovered they will not allow it as part of the single incident. Considering the problem was cause by one of their products it seems that I am paying for their mistake. The last time I phoned for help with product (1998-1999) from MS was when an IE version crashed (timed out in download... as their servers were over taxed) half way through an install. I had to re-install the server to fix that one. It was on my main NT server and again the incident was caused by one of their applications. Now I fell better. Well you should have everything running by June... race you. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 12 12:33:16 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:33:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug Message-ID: Hi Jim No, I have only worked with VMware. Sounds like a good setup. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-03-2008 18:15 >>> Gustav; you are right in that I should have made a backup/snap-shot/ISO before attempting to install... just getting careless but as a regular supply of updates arrive from MS and I have had no ill effects, for years. I just became a little complacent. It will be a while before I make that mistake again. ...But I made the decision to add a new server to the mix. The hardware should be box with capacity for 8GB and have a couple of half tera-byte drives. May only install 4GB now and 4 later. I have a new copy of MS Server enterprise 64 bit 2008 as well of SQL 2008 and hope to install them along with the new MS virtual servers. My plan is to make the base server as plain as possible and place all the functionality in the Virtual servers. According to MS, the new virtual servers only loss between 2 and 4 percent in performance in comparison with 15% for the older versions. There is also a snap-shot feature installed which parallels VMware's functionality. It should be ready by the weekend. So we will see... keep you posted. ...any insights? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Update on WHS corruption bug Hi Jim This is an example where it could have been an advantage to run it in a VMware virtual server, as this can take a snapshot of the complete installation before you apply anything new - patches, updates, new install, config changes etc. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-03-2008 04:03 >>> Hi John: Good for you John. Sometime these guys at MS get just too cocky. I am embroiled in a problem with my IIS server. After downloading and installing the latest Server2003 File System Objects package, my IIS stopped supporting ASP Two weeks later ASP still did not work so finally I phoned MS. After a numbers of visits, about 5 hours logged, two senior techs have ran out of solutions, on the incident and a third fellow will be phoning tomorrow. So far ASP will now display a web site but can not connect to a SQL server yet. There is a third piece to the puzzle that the ASP mail no longer works but as it was only just discovered they will not allow it as part of the single incident. Considering the problem was cause by one of their products it seems that I am paying for their mistake. The last time I phoned for help with product (1998-1999) from MS was when an IE version crashed (timed out in download... as their servers were over taxed) half way through an install. I had to re-install the server to fix that one. It was on my main NT server and again the incident was caused by one of their applications. Now I fell better. Well you should have everything running by June... race you. Jim From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 13 10:21:29 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:21:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Message-ID: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 10:40:25 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:40:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803130840w7618a75dr963007d2b3aa1549@mail.gmail.com> Not I. A. From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Mar 13 10:45:38 2008 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:45:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? References: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: No. Perry Harold Professional Testing Inc pharold at proftesting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:21 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Mar 13 10:58:10 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:58:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <200803131558.m2DFw9i0028552@databaseadvisors.com> Seems to be a bit slow today and I've had to refresh with Google a number of times because it came up blank. I can't get a video feed from CBC either. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 13 11:14:44 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <200803131558.m2DFw9i0028552@databaseadvisors.com> References: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> <200803131558.m2DFw9i0028552@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <000701c88525$5a001c60$0201a8c0@M90> Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Seems to be a bit slow today and I've had to refresh with Google a number of times because it came up blank. I can't get a video feed from CBC either. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 11:32:48 2008 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Message-ID: <827975.17452.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I wonder if there's been a line cut somewhere. I can't get through (via phone) to the company that provides pre-certification services for our health insurance. I've tried land line and cell phone. Cell phone gives a message that they are unable to connect, land line just gives a busy signal. ----- Original Message ---- From: jwcolby To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:14:44 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Seems to be a bit slow today and I've had to refresh with Google a number of times because it came up blank. I can't get a video feed from CBC either. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hkotsch at arcor.de Thu Mar 13 12:00:30 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:00:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <000701c88525$5a001c60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: John, here is the data from Germany. Lexington: 7976 / 645 Atlanta: 7600 / 636 Chicago: 6994 / 728 Dallas: 7367 / 714 kbits/sec I have a 16000 / 1000 connection. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von jwcolby Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Marz 2008 17:15 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Seems to be a bit slow today and I've had to refresh with Google a number of times because it came up blank. I can't get a video feed from CBC either. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Mar 13 13:28:21 2008 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:28:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <000701c88525$5a001c60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <200803131828.m2DISKQi017631@databaseadvisors.com> Seem to be a bit low for a couple but I can connect to all. Charter just loves to troubleshoot client locations when it is their internal problem :o( -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 13 14:03:11 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:03:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: References: <000701c88525$5a001c60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <001d01c8853c$e2582aa0$0201a8c0@M90> Thanks, John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? John, here is the data from Germany. Lexington: 7976 / 645 Atlanta: 7600 / 636 Chicago: 6994 / 728 Dallas: 7367 / 714 kbits/sec I have a 16000 / 1000 connection. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von jwcolby Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Marz 2008 17:15 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Seems to be a bit slow today and I've had to refresh with Google a number of times because it came up blank. I can't get a video feed from CBC either. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 13 14:06:06 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:06:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? In-Reply-To: <200803131828.m2DISKQi017631@databaseadvisors.com> References: <000701c88525$5a001c60$0201a8c0@M90> <200803131828.m2DISKQi017631@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <001e01c8853d$4afa8350$0201a8c0@M90> And now it is all working. But with Speedtest.net they have a history so I can show how bad it was if I ever need to. I think you are right, they send these flunkies who know pretty much nothing, they take signal level readings (mine was actually getting a signal a tad too high but out at the street the signal was waaaaay high. But that had nothing to do with anything that I was experiencing. He will report the street level signals and someone will adjust them, but that has nothing to do with whatever I was experiencing. It is just frustrating because I lose so much time whenever this happens. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Seem to be a bit low for a couple but I can connect to all. Charter just loves to troubleshoot client locations when it is their internal problem :o( -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? Try www.speedtest.net When the map of the US opens try hitting several different places. For me (in NC) Lexington, KY is fine (normal ping, 10m bit down, 1 mbit up), OTOH Atlanta is 100k down and 10k up. I was getting reliably high speeds to specific places such as Dallas Tx but reliably poor to chicago, NY etc. Further if I open a dos box and PING google, Yahoo, MSNBC, Microsoft etc. I get timeouts. If I ping www.Extremetech.com I get normal ping times. If I ping 4.2.2.1 (a domain name resolving system) I get 14 ms pings. I had Charter's "tech support" on the phone for an hour and they said "uhhh... Yup... It's not wurkin" and are sending a tech to my house. However my "neighbor" about a mile away has exactly the same problems. I just thought I'd ask a wider audience if anyone else in the US is seeing these symptoms. I have a tech coming to my house but they won't find anything here, of that I am certain now. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 16:37:55 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:37:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone out there having bad internet problems today? References: <000401c8851d$ea4fe730$0201a8c0@M90> <29f585dd0803130840w7618a75dr963007d2b3aa1549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c88553$49455740$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I've noticed that it's been slower than usual -- started yesterday. Susan H. > Not I. > > A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 13:54:06 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:54:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Turn of Research Pane Message-ID: <038401c88604$dbacdf70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Alt+double click is supposed to select an entire table -- well, Word is doing that, but Alt+single click also launches the Research pane -- is this some quirk on my system? I can't seem to use Alt+click to do anything without opening the Research pane. Susan H. From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Mar 14 14:14:33 2008 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:14:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Turn of Research Pane In-Reply-To: <038401c88604$dbacdf70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <038401c88604$dbacdf70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001501c88607$a2da07b0$0300a8c0@danwaters> Somewhere in the mouse control panel is an adjustment for the timing of double-clicking. Dan -----Original Message----- Subject: [dba-Tech] Turn of Research Pane Alt+double click is supposed to select an entire table -- well, Word is doing that, but Alt+single click also launches the Research pane -- is this some quirk on my system? I can't seem to use Alt+click to do anything without opening the Research pane. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 16:04:32 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:04:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing Autocomplete in Word 2007 Message-ID: <014d01c886e0$2ff300b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> AutoComplete (AutoCorrect Options, AutoText tab) seems to be missing from 2007, but here's what Help says on the subject (below) -- but I can't get this to work. Would somebody check this and see if it works? I don't get a screen tip at all -- nothing. Susan H. Microsoft Office Word and Microsoft Office Outlook offer a feature that helps you quickly enter calendar terms (such as the names of months and days of the week) more quickly. This feature is available whenever you are editing a document in Word or an item, such as an e-mail message, in Outlook. For example, after you type the letters thur, the program displays a ScreenTip (ScreenTip: A short description that appears when the user holds the mouse pointer over an object, such as a button or hyperlink.) that displays the word Thursday. You can press ENTER to insert this word or keep typing. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 16:17:52 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:17:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Word 2007 question Message-ID: <015a01c886e2$0e1e3250$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Given the nature of the new ribbon, do any of the groups have hotkeys the way the menus use to? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:25:30 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:25:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Another Word 2007 question Message-ID: <01af01c886ec$3a353af0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> nevermind -- just press Alt to see them all... SUsan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Harkins To: DBA Tech List Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Another Word 2007 question Given the nature of the new ribbon, do any of the groups have hotkeys the way the menus use to? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 17:45:55 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word 2007 field codes Message-ID: <01c201c886ee$5670a360$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Has 2007 eliminated fields? I can find the Insert Field command and I've added it to the Quick Access toolbar, but that seems odd to me. Form fields were a big deal in 2003, and I can't even get 2007 Help to acknowledge them. Did they revamp the feature and call it something else? I'm still looking, but if somebody knows, I could use a bit of insight. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 07:13:20 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:13:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics Message-ID: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> Here are some interesting stats about the job market for OSes, DBs and programming languages. A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Brawley Date: Mar 16, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: the db devel market To: Arthur Fuller http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarket-loc-en From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 09:58:05 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Turn of Research Pane References: <038401c88604$dbacdf70$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <001501c88607$a2da07b0$0300a8c0@danwaters> Message-ID: <007301c88776$29524f90$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Thanks Dan -- I tried it, but doesn't change anything -- with 2003 and 2007, [Alt]click opens the Research pane and I think we're just stuck with it and the previous shortcut (selecting in tables) is just gone. That combination still selects the table, but it also launches the Research pane -- truly odd little bug if you ask me. Susan H. > Somewhere in the mouse control panel is an adjustment for the timing of > double-clicking. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Mar 16 11:27:10 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:27:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. T. Arthur Fuller wrote: > Here are some interesting stats about the job market for OSes, DBs and > programming languages. > A. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peter Brawley > Date: Mar 16, 2008 1:42 AM > Subject: the db devel market > To: Arthur Fuller > > http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarket-loc-en > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 13:37:00 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> Several things puzzle me about these graphs and their market-reflections. I would have thought, for example, that Linux and Unix were interchangeable, that anyone good at Linux could apply for a Unix gig and vice-versa. But compare the gaps. Similarly, there are abundant code-translators that will switch VB.NET to C#. In fact, if you look at the two languages as in the tutorials supplied by MS, they are remarkably similar and it's no surprise that a program could go through and make the changes from one language to the other. Find the line-terminators and substitute semi-colons; flip declarations around slightly and lose the "Dim" word; wrap blocks in curly braces; etc. How hard is that? Admittedly some constructs are trickier, but it doesn't take very long looking at the step-by-step tutorial code to see the similarities. And yet the marketplace feels a greater lack of supply for C# than VB.NET, and also pays about $20 an hour more for C# too, judging by my local marketplace. This goes to prove, methinks, that elitism too has inheritance. C# is for "serious" programmers; VB for -- hmm, what's the opposite of serious? Amateur? Trivial? Casual? Pop? Anyway, you get my drift. Arthur On 3/16/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ > skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux > course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. > T. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 16 15:05:32 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:05:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72FAD3B483834D35B1A5132C55F84FB8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Arthur: We should be programming in Java and be using an Oracle backend. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics Here are some interesting stats about the job market for OSes, DBs and programming languages. A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Brawley Date: Mar 16, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: the db devel market To: Arthur Fuller http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarket-loc-en _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 16 15:47:39 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:47:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: I think they are. At one time I was a fully certified SCO Unix installer and administrator and I recognize virtually everything in Linux. I think a guru in Linux is guru in UNIX. I bet it is just because Linux can be free and UNIX can cost a lot of money and that makes it prestigious. The other point of the .Net languages is odd considering there is nothing that VB.Net can do the C#.Net can not, they can both be in the same assemblies at the same time (mix and match) and their performance times are identical. The whole thing relates around perception, prestige and that managers that hire the techs still have real idea about technology. When a manager asks whether a database can be programmed in MS Access that means he is looking for a system around 5 to 10 thousand as opposed to 20,000 to 50,000 that he would expect to pay for a Java/Oracle DB; add UNIX into the mix and you could add another 50,000 to the price. Perception = Reality. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics Several things puzzle me about these graphs and their market-reflections. I would have thought, for example, that Linux and Unix were interchangeable, that anyone good at Linux could apply for a Unix gig and vice-versa. But compare the gaps. Similarly, there are abundant code-translators that will switch VB.NET to C#. In fact, if you look at the two languages as in the tutorials supplied by MS, they are remarkably similar and it's no surprise that a program could go through and make the changes from one language to the other. Find the line-terminators and substitute semi-colons; flip declarations around slightly and lose the "Dim" word; wrap blocks in curly braces; etc. How hard is that? Admittedly some constructs are trickier, but it doesn't take very long looking at the step-by-step tutorial code to see the similarities. And yet the marketplace feels a greater lack of supply for C# than VB.NET, and also pays about $20 an hour more for C# too, judging by my local marketplace. This goes to prove, methinks, that elitism too has inheritance. C# is for "serious" programmers; VB for -- hmm, what's the opposite of serious? Amateur? Trivial? Casual? Pop? Anyway, you get my drift. Arthur On 3/16/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ > skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux > course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. > T. > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Mar 16 15:52:26 2008 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:52:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD888A.6090206@earthlink.net> Arthur, Jim >The other point of the .Net languages is odd considering there is nothing >that VB.Net can do the C#.Net can not, they can both be in the same >assemblies at the same time (mix and match) and their performance times are >identical. Arguably a machine can translate from one to the other much more easily than any hominid who has not fully assimilated each syntax, as few of us have. PB Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I think they are. At one time I was a fully certified SCO Unix installer and > administrator and I recognize virtually everything in Linux. I think a guru > in Linux is guru in UNIX. I bet it is just because Linux can be free and > UNIX can cost a lot of money and that makes it prestigious. > > The other point of the .Net languages is odd considering there is nothing > that VB.Net can do the C#.Net can not, they can both be in the same > assemblies at the same time (mix and match) and their performance times are > identical. > > The whole thing relates around perception, prestige and that managers that > hire the techs still have real idea about technology. When a manager asks > whether a database can be programmed in MS Access that means he is looking > for a system around 5 to 10 thousand as opposed to 20,000 to 50,000 that he > would expect to pay for a Java/Oracle DB; add UNIX into the mix and you > could add another 50,000 to the price. > > Perception = Reality. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics > > Several things puzzle me about these graphs and their market-reflections. I > would have thought, for example, that Linux and Unix were interchangeable, > that anyone good at Linux could apply for a Unix gig and vice-versa. But > compare the gaps. Similarly, there are abundant code-translators that will > switch VB.NET to C#. In fact, if you look at the two languages as in the > tutorials supplied by MS, they are remarkably similar and it's no surprise > that a program could go through and make the changes from one language to > the other. Find the line-terminators and substitute semi-colons; flip > declarations around slightly and lose the "Dim" word; wrap blocks in curly > braces; etc. How hard is that? > > Admittedly some constructs are trickier, but it doesn't take very long > looking at the step-by-step tutorial code to see the similarities. And yet > the marketplace feels a greater lack of supply for C# than VB.NET, and also > pays about $20 an hour more for C# too, judging by my local marketplace. > This goes to prove, methinks, that elitism too has inheritance. C# is for > "serious" programmers; VB for -- hmm, what's the opposite of serious? > Amateur? Trivial? Casual? Pop? Anyway, you get my drift. > > Arthur > > On 3/16/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ >> skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux >> course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. >> T. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 17 11:29:47 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:29:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system Message-ID: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Mar 17 16:22:51 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:22:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system In-Reply-To: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> References: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> The simply answer to that is. yes. The maximum amount of memory is less than the amount for the VM... of course. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Mon Mar 17 16:35:06 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:35:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system In-Reply-To: <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <007901c88876$c4e52850$4eaf78f0$@rr.com> I would think that if the RAM drive has a drive letter that you could just treat it as a shared folder and use it like a regular shared drive. Have not tried it with a RAM drive though. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system The simply answer to that is. yes. The maximum amount of memory is less than the amount for the VM... of course. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 17 18:41:12 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:41:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system In-Reply-To: <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <002601c88888$62becb60$0201a8c0@M90> I have not been able to do it. The host system ram drive is not considered a physical drive so I couldn't go that route. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system The simply answer to that is. yes. The maximum amount of memory is less than the amount for the VM... of course. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 17 18:53:54 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:53:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system In-Reply-To: <007901c88876$c4e52850$4eaf78f0$@rr.com> References: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90><91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007901c88876$c4e52850$4eaf78f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <002701c8888a$2927fcd0$0201a8c0@M90> Yes, but then you bump into the network speed issue. A local ram drive has insanely fast read speeds (2.2 gigaBYTES / second in local testing). I have been using a hardware RAM disk but the specific software trying to access that is not reliably co-operating. Strange things happen. OTOH using a 700 mb ran drive has bumped address validation rates from an absolute maximum ever seen of 5 million records / second (with the hardware ram drive) up to well over 8 million records / second. I was hoping to use a shared ram drive just to save memory but by making the VM big enough to contain a 700 mb ram drive I can do it entirely inside of the vm with only a slight drop in speed. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I would think that if the RAM drive has a drive letter that you could just treat it as a shared folder and use it like a regular shared drive. Have not tried it with a RAM drive though. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system The simply answer to that is. yes. The maximum amount of memory is less than the amount for the VM... of course. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Mar 18 00:03:25 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:03:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system In-Reply-To: <002601c88888$62becb60$0201a8c0@M90> References: <001601c8884c$1df64530$0201a8c0@M90> <91E1C60845DA4136B24C1502FF8B6821@creativesystemdesigns.com> <002601c88888$62becb60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: I do not think you can not open a ram-drive using memory outside the VM allocation. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I have not been able to do it. The host system ram drive is not considered a physical drive so I couldn't go that route. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system The simply answer to that is. yes. The maximum amount of memory is less than the amount for the VM... of course. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare - Sharing a ramdrive on the host system I am looking at running a VM where the software needs access to a ram drive on the host machine. Is this possible and how do I do it? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Mar 18 07:58:31 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:58:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com><47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DFBC77.2090306@torchlake.com> Arthur, I believe you have properly diagnosed the matter. "Elitism too has inheritance." Beautiful! So, what do we have to do to be taken "seriously"? Apparently, we have to be able to point to any programming language, any operating system, and any database management application, and say "Yes, of course I can do that, and I can charge you several thousand extra dollars for working in THIS one instead of THAT one." Hmm, quick refresher time for all - everyone into the pool! Tina Arthur Fuller wrote: > Several things puzzle me about these graphs and their market-reflections. I > would have thought, for example, that Linux and Unix were interchangeable, > that anyone good at Linux could apply for a Unix gig and vice-versa. But > compare the gaps. Similarly, there are abundant code-translators that will > switch VB.NET to C#. In fact, if you look at the two languages as in the > tutorials supplied by MS, they are remarkably similar and it's no surprise > that a program could go through and make the changes from one language to > the other. Find the line-terminators and substitute semi-colons; flip > declarations around slightly and lose the "Dim" word; wrap blocks in curly > braces; etc. How hard is that? > > Admittedly some constructs are trickier, but it doesn't take very long > looking at the step-by-step tutorial code to see the similarities. And yet > the marketplace feels a greater lack of supply for C# than VB.NET, and also > pays about $20 an hour more for C# too, judging by my local marketplace. > This goes to prove, methinks, that elitism too has inheritance. C# is for > "serious" programmers; VB for -- hmm, what's the opposite of serious? > Amateur? Trivial? Casual? Pop? Anyway, you get my drift. > > Arthur > > On 3/16/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ >> skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux >> course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. >> T. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 08:03:07 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:03:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: <47DFBC77.2090306@torchlake.com> References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> <47DFBC77.2090306@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803180603w35ec93f3u48294cd5d144b0dc@mail.gmail.com> Giving rise to a new acronym, EOPL (elitist-oriented programming language). I think I'll put that on my resume too! There's another funny one (strange funny): functional programming languages, which actually means that programs are understood as calls to mathematical functions, but it does give rise to the concept of non-functional programming languages. :) Arthur On 3/18/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > > Arthur, > > I believe you have properly diagnosed the matter. "Elitism too has > inheritance." Beautiful! > > So, what do we have to do to be taken "seriously"? Apparently, we have > to be able to point to any programming language, any operating system, > and any database management application, and say "Yes, of course I can > do that, and I can charge you several thousand extra dollars for working > in THIS one instead of THAT one." Hmm, quick refresher time for all - > everyone into the pool! > > > Tina > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Mar 18 08:14:57 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:14:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0803160513n7a81b5a5hafc24017ff1720ba@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4A5E.20704@torchlake.com> <29f585dd0803161137i4d41cf83teb4e76244c02ca28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DFC051.1050400@torchlake.com> Jim, I think you and Arthur have it pegged. It's a matter of perception, and elitism. Good thinking, you two. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I think they are. At one time I was a fully certified SCO Unix installer and > administrator and I recognize virtually everything in Linux. I think a guru > in Linux is guru in UNIX. I bet it is just because Linux can be free and > UNIX can cost a lot of money and that makes it prestigious. > > The other point of the .Net languages is odd considering there is nothing > that VB.Net can do the C#.Net can not, they can both be in the same > assemblies at the same time (mix and match) and their performance times are > identical. > > The whole thing relates around perception, prestige and that managers that > hire the techs still have real idea about technology. When a manager asks > whether a database can be programmed in MS Access that means he is looking > for a system around 5 to 10 thousand as opposed to 20,000 to 50,000 that he > would expect to pay for a Java/Oracle DB; add UNIX into the mix and you > could add another 50,000 to the price. > > Perception = Reality. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DB/OS market statistics > > Several things puzzle me about these graphs and their market-reflections. I > would have thought, for example, that Linux and Unix were interchangeable, > that anyone good at Linux could apply for a Unix gig and vice-versa. But > compare the gaps. Similarly, there are abundant code-translators that will > switch VB.NET to C#. In fact, if you look at the two languages as in the > tutorials supplied by MS, they are remarkably similar and it's no surprise > that a program could go through and make the changes from one language to > the other. Find the line-terminators and substitute semi-colons; flip > declarations around slightly and lose the "Dim" word; wrap blocks in curly > braces; etc. How hard is that? > > Admittedly some constructs are trickier, but it doesn't take very long > looking at the step-by-step tutorial code to see the similarities. And yet > the marketplace feels a greater lack of supply for C# than VB.NET, and also > pays about $20 an hour more for C# too, judging by my local marketplace. > This goes to prove, methinks, that elitism too has inheritance. C# is for > "serious" programmers; VB for -- hmm, what's the opposite of serious? > Amateur? Trivial? Casual? Pop? Anyway, you get my drift. > > Arthur > > On 3/16/08, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> Hmmm, verrrrrry interesting. So, we had better upgrade our Java and C++ >> skills, along with our Oracle and MS SQL skills. I just started a Linux >> course. Looks like that might have been a smart move. >> T. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 11:28:59 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:28:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object Message-ID: <025101c88915$3ab09a30$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I've run into this before and had trouble -- what is the simplest way to define a Range object using the current range selection in a sheet? For instance, if I select cells A1:B4, I want VBA to create a Range object that equals A1:B4. This shouldn't totally stump me, but I just can't get it and can't find anything in Help -- thought I was on the right track with CurrentRegion, but couldn't get it right. Susan H. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Mar 18 10:56:27 2008 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:56:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object Message-ID: <200803181658.m2IGw9UH019904@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Susan Not sure but does the Selection property help? As in Application.Selection which, according to Help, returns you a Range object if that's what's selected. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "DBA Tech List" Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object Date: 18/03/08 16:30 I've run into this before and had trouble -- what is the simplest way to define a Range object using the current range selection in a sheet? For instance, if I select cells A1:B4, I want VBA to create a Range object that equals A1:B4. This shouldn't totally stump me, but I just can't get it and can't find anything in Help -- thought I was on the right track with CurrentRegion, but couldn't get it right. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 12:13:44 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:13:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object References: <200803181658.m2IGw9UH019904@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <029701c8891b$74064770$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Thanks Andy -- that's it. I should pin this up someplace. I don't use it frequently, but when I do, I can never remember it! ;( Function CountRangeProperties() Dim rg As Range Set rg = Application.Selection Debug.Print rg.Address End Function Susan H. > Hi Susan > > Not sure but does the Selection property help? As in Application.Selection > which, according to Help, returns you a Range object if that's what's > selected. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Mar 18 12:35:56 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:35:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object In-Reply-To: <025101c88915$3ab09a30$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <025101c88915$3ab09a30$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <3E556CA1A6ED4D4882CC314A04AC5DFD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: Here is a piece of code I designed to delete a range within code. Public Function MoveRange() ' Create a range from the current row and first column ' and extending down to the last row of data. This function ' under program control, deletes the current row ' by copying all the data below the current position and ' to the last row of data and pasting it, overtop starting ' at the current position. ' This routine manges the problem of deleting an entite row ' but limiting the effect to a range of columns. ' Create by Jim Lawrence 15 July 2006. Dim lngRowPosition As Long Dim lngRowCount As Long Dim strCell As String ' Get currenty row position lngRowPosition = Application.ActiveCell.Row lngRowCount = 0 ' Establish the top left hand corner of the range strCell = "a" & lngRowPosition ' Stop screen display Application.ScreenUpdating = False ' Get the row count of the range from the current row ' to the last row with data. lngRowCount = GetRecordPosition() ' Set the start of the Range (top left-hand corner) Range(strCell).Select ' Select the data within the range coordinates, given the offset ' and copy all the data. The range selection is actaully one row below ' the current row and one row below the last row of data. Selection.CurrentRegion.Select Selection.Offset(lngRowPosition, 0).Resize(lngRowCount - lngRowPosition + 2).Select Selection.Copy ' Re-set the range start position Range(strCell).Select ' Now paste the data and clear the buffer ActiveSheet.Paste Application.CutCopyMode = False ' Turn on the screen display. Application.ScreenUpdating = True ' Set the current position to the initial start position Range(strCell).Select End Function Public Function GetRecordPosition() As Integer ' Find the last row with data below the start position Dim intCounter As Integer ' Set current row Range("a2").Select intCounter = 0 Do If IsEmpty(ActiveCell) = False Then intCounter = intCounter + 1 ActiveCell.Offset(1, 0).Select End If Loop Until IsEmpty(ActiveCell) = True ' Set back to current row Range("a2").Select GetRecordPosition = intCounter End Function HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:29 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Assign current selection to Range object I've run into this before and had trouble -- what is the simplest way to define a Range object using the current range selection in a sheet? For instance, if I select cells A1:B4, I want VBA to create a Range object that equals A1:B4. This shouldn't totally stump me, but I just can't get it and can't find anything in Help -- thought I was on the right track with CurrentRegion, but couldn't get it right. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 12:36:25 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:36:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Excel question Message-ID: <02b001c8891e$9fa9aae0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I want to loop through a Range object's properties and list the current setting. I'm getting nowhere, because I can't find a properties collection for the Range object. Of course, I'm thinking in Access VBA terms, so maybe this functionality just doesn't exist in Excel. But, here's what my head wants to do... For Each property in Range.Properties Debug.Print property.Name Debug.Print property.Value Next With the right declarations, this is easy in Access. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Mar 18 15:17:15 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:17:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VMs Message-ID: <006b01c88935$0f4e7090$0201a8c0@M90> 1) Can virtual machines be moved from host computer to host computer even if the host is a different hardware or OS? 2) What has to be done to execute such a move? 3) Can a virtual machine be simply copied, i.e. copy a directory or file to a new directory or file? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Mar 18 16:29:44 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:29:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VMs In-Reply-To: <006b01c88935$0f4e7090$0201a8c0@M90> References: <006b01c88935$0f4e7090$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47E03448.70404@torchlake.com> John, I don't know all those answers yet, but I believe the OS is a significant issue. When I was wondering which version of VM Player to download, my instructor said to download the one for my host OS because the VM would be built within the host OS environment (I'm working on learning Linux and intend to use a VM with the Linux VM Appliance for the course - later, I may dedicate a machine to Linux, but not right now). I'll be watching for answers from others who know more than I. Tina jwcolby wrote: > 1) Can virtual machines be moved from host computer to host computer even if > the host is a different hardware or OS? > 2) What has to be done to execute such a move? > 3) Can a virtual machine be simply copied, i.e. copy a directory or file to > a new directory or file? > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Mar 18 16:27:54 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:27:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Making a great workstation from Windows Server 2008 Message-ID: Hi all Yes, that can be done: http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=588 http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/ /gustav From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:13:14 2008 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:13:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VMs In-Reply-To: <006b01c88935$0f4e7090$0201a8c0@M90> References: <006b01c88935$0f4e7090$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, jwcolby wrote: > 1) Can virtual machines be moved from host computer to host computer even if > the host is a different hardware or OS? > 2) What has to be done to execute such a move? > 3) Can a virtual machine be simply copied, i.e. copy a directory or file to > a new directory or file? AFAIK, yes they can John. I'm not sure what specific files need to be transfered, but if you move all the directories that you are using for the VM then you should be good. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Mar 18 18:49:15 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:49:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Making a great workstation from Windows Server 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9207CEEEC8B247E9BA606F0F89AC8C3A@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is very interesting Gustav. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:28 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Making a great workstation from Windows Server 2008 Hi all Yes, that can be done: http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=588 http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/ /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 00:07:02 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:07:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Message-ID: <007501c8897f$11ddce60$0201a8c0@M90> Well I never got a software ram disk on the host showing as a shared ram disk on the VM, however... I have a Gigabyte iRam hardware ram disk which I have used with varying success for ages. It works just as advertised but Accuzip seems to have issues with using it sometimes. No se por que. The iRam is a 4 gig hardware ram disk that is SATA1 compatible. It plugs in to a PCI slot but only takes power from that. It actually communicates via an SATA port. Soooo... What I did was divide it into two partitions / volumes of 2 gigs apiece, though it is no longer clear that I even needed to do that. In the VM host software I added a new drive, which is just a virtual drive (file on a real disk). I made the new drive 2 gigs and placed the file on the RAM drive. I then turned on the VM. Once inside the VM I had to create a 2 gig partition and format it. I formatted it as an NTFS drive with 16K sectors (for speed reasons specific to Accuzip and what I am using it for). I then placed the files that I needed in a ram disk and started Accuzip and validated a 1 million record file. Voila, she works. I am getting 6.567 million records / hour, with a single processor VM machine. The VMWare runs on an AMD Phenom quad core with 8 gigs of RAM, Windows 2003x64. BTW, the VM is Windows 2003x32. On a real hardware machine with a dual core AMD, running Windows 2003x32 running that same iRam RAMDISK dedicated to that machine I was lucky to get 5.5 million records / hour, and actually averaged around 4 million - which at the time I thought was excellent. So basically by moving the Accuzip address validation software into a virtual machine, I INCREASED the speed of the software, using only a single core to do so. Not bad! 8-) Furthermore if you think about what I did I may be able to use the same concept to place virtual drives on a RAM disk in the host. However given that the hardware ram disk uses no host RAM the iRam might very well be a better solution anyway. I can now drop the memory dedicated to the VM since I was running a 700 meg RAM drive INSIDE if the VM. Since I am now using a virtual drive hosted on a hardware RAM drive on the host I can drop the VM memory by a like amount. My VM was using 3 gigs so if I drop the VM down to 2.3 gigs I may be able to run two VMs simultaneously. Or... On the VM host machine, run the vb.Net program that exports data from SQL Server out to the Accuzip VM. IOW run SQL Server 2005x64 and vb.Net, moving data out to Accuzip running on a virtual machine, and then back in to SQL Server, all on one single machine. We shall see. I just cut the VM back to 2.25 GBytes of memory and reran the address validation on the same 1 million records. I am still getting > 6.2 million records / hour. Now I need to run two VMs at the same time and see what I get. I will try that tomorrow. BTW running Accuzip native on the Windows 2003x64 with a 2 gig ram drive (carved out of memory) I was getting over 8 million records / hour, however that was also with all 4 cores available to the system and a memory RAM drive which is much faster. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 08:31:27 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:31:27 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Message-ID: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 08:48:48 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:48:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <009d01c889c7$f5b97b50$0201a8c0@M90> Jon, 1) Run chkdisk in safe mode. If Windows shuts down as it is writing to disk all manner of things can be mangled. Tell it to fix errors. 2) Uninstall the webcam driver and see if that helps 3)Get Memtest86, build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. Memory does go bad. The most likely culprits for blue screens are drivers and memory in that order. However disks tend to get munched (random writes in random places) during the blue screen so that just adds to the problem. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 08:55:16 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:55:16 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <009d01c889c7$f5b97b50$0201a8c0@M90> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> <009d01c889c7$f5b97b50$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000001c889c8$dd013ed0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Thanks John I'll let you know how it goes. Time to install a game on the work laptop while I do this... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 19 March 2008 13:49 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Jon, 1) Run chkdisk in safe mode. If Windows shuts down as it is writing to disk all manner of things can be mangled. Tell it to fix errors. 2) Uninstall the webcam driver and see if that helps 3)Get Memtest86, build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. Memory does go bad. The most likely culprits for blue screens are drivers and memory in that order. However disks tend to get munched (random writes in random places) during the blue screen so that just adds to the problem. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From James at fcidms.com Wed Mar 19 09:13:36 2008 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> Jon: What brand of computer do you have? We had a similar problem with 2 Dell desktops and, in both cases, it turned out to be a faulty video card. Eventually, both systems started failing on boot with a corrupt driver error and would only boot into safe mode. After replacing the cards, all the problems went away. You could even see that the capacitors on the cards had expanded and started leaking. If this is a desktop and you have a spare video card, try swapping them and see if the problem goes away. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 09:35:35 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:35:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> <00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803190735gf85fe98ua8129b003921e6b8@mail.gmail.com> There is also a virus whose name I cannot recall but whose symptoms are frequent reboots. A. From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 09:45:48 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:45:48 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> <00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> Message-ID: <000a01c889cf$ec0cda40$0400a8c0@jt2b> It's one I built myself... And I only replaced the video card less than a year ago, when the old one died. I'll check that out though, thanks. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Barash Sent: 19 March 2008 14:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Jon: What brand of computer do you have? We had a similar problem with 2 Dell desktops and, in both cases, it turned out to be a faulty video card. Eventually, both systems started failing on boot with a corrupt driver error and would only boot into safe mode. After replacing the cards, all the problems went away. You could even see that the capacitors on the cards had expanded and started leaking. If this is a desktop and you have a spare video card, try swapping them and see if the problem goes away. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 09:46:30 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:30 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803190735gf85fe98ua8129b003921e6b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b><00dd01c889cb$6cb72f10$6a00a8c0@fci.local> <29f585dd0803190735gf85fe98ua8129b003921e6b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c889d0$04ecf4a0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Sasser wasn't it? I'm pretty sure it's not a malware/virus/spyware thing. I've checked it with just about every piece of software in the world :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 19 March 2008 14:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... There is also a virus whose name I cannot recall but whose symptoms are frequent reboots. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 19 11:26:45 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:26:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Mar 19 11:43:45 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:43:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: It is the capacitors that get a bulge and fail. Resistors normally are not failing. My suggestion would be to do the extensive memory test as John W. Colby suggested. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 17:27 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 11:50:29 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:50:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK In-Reply-To: <007501c8897f$11ddce60$0201a8c0@M90> References: <007501c8897f$11ddce60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000e01c889e1$573dbd50$0201a8c0@M90> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Well I never got a software ram disk on the host showing as a shared ram disk on the VM, however... I have a Gigabyte iRam hardware ram disk which I have used with varying success for ages. It works just as advertised but Accuzip seems to have issues with using it sometimes. No se por que. The iRam is a 4 gig hardware ram disk that is SATA1 compatible. It plugs in to a PCI slot but only takes power from that. It actually communicates via an SATA port. Soooo... What I did was divide it into two partitions / volumes of 2 gigs apiece, though it is no longer clear that I even needed to do that. In the VM host software I added a new drive, which is just a virtual drive (file on a real disk). I made the new drive 2 gigs and placed the file on the RAM drive. I then turned on the VM. Once inside the VM I had to create a 2 gig partition and format it. I formatted it as an NTFS drive with 16K sectors (for speed reasons specific to Accuzip and what I am using it for). I then placed the files that I needed in a ram disk and started Accuzip and validated a 1 million record file. Voila, she works. I am getting 6.567 million records / hour, with a single processor VM machine. The VMWare runs on an AMD Phenom quad core with 8 gigs of RAM, Windows 2003x64. BTW, the VM is Windows 2003x32. On a real hardware machine with a dual core AMD, running Windows 2003x32 running that same iRam RAMDISK dedicated to that machine I was lucky to get 5.5 million records / hour, and actually averaged around 4 million - which at the time I thought was excellent. So basically by moving the Accuzip address validation software into a virtual machine, I INCREASED the speed of the software, using only a single core to do so. Not bad! 8-) Furthermore if you think about what I did I may be able to use the same concept to place virtual drives on a RAM disk in the host. However given that the hardware ram disk uses no host RAM the iRam might very well be a better solution anyway. I can now drop the memory dedicated to the VM since I was running a 700 meg RAM drive INSIDE if the VM. Since I am now using a virtual drive hosted on a hardware RAM drive on the host I can drop the VM memory by a like amount. My VM was using 3 gigs so if I drop the VM down to 2.3 gigs I may be able to run two VMs simultaneously. Or... On the VM host machine, run the vb.Net program that exports data from SQL Server out to the Accuzip VM. IOW run SQL Server 2005x64 and vb.Net, moving data out to Accuzip running on a virtual machine, and then back in to SQL Server, all on one single machine. We shall see. I just cut the VM back to 2.25 GBytes of memory and reran the address validation on the same 1 million records. I am still getting > 6.2 million records / hour. Now I need to run two VMs at the same time and see what I get. I will try that tomorrow. BTW running Accuzip native on the Windows 2003x64 with a 2 gig ram drive (carved out of memory) I was getting over 8 million records / hour, however that was also with all 4 cores available to the system and a memory RAM drive which is much faster. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 19 12:00:54 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:00:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank for that correction Helmut... Please replace the word Capacitors for the word Resistors. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Jim: It is the capacitors that get a bulge and fail. Resistors normally are not failing. My suggestion would be to do the extensive memory test as John W. Colby suggested. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 17:27 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 19 11:58:02 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:58:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Message-ID: Hi John Two instances of "the same" machine can easily run. I have had three web servers running in parallel. However, they must - of course - be configured to use different disk(file)s ... /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 17:50 >>> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 14:15:44 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:15:44 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <000301c889f5$a1d51bb0$0400a8c0@jt2b> I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems started, and I still can't log in. Event Type: Error Event Source: DCOM Event Category: None Event ID: 10000 Date: 19/03/2008 Time: 18:04:18 User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: JT2B Description: Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The error: "%%0" Happened while starting this command: %1 I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to dig out the install CD... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 14:36:38 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:36:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01c889f8$8d144630$0201a8c0@M90> They do both run, and they do both have their own virtual disks - files on a real physical ram disk). I even broke the physical ram drive into two volumes and had each VM place its virtual disk file on a separate volume. As long as they are not both running at the same time all is well but if they both run at the same time, one runs very slowly and then eventually reboots. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:58 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Hi John Two instances of "the same" machine can easily run. I have had three web servers running in parallel. However, they must - of course - be configured to use different disk(file)s ... /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 17:50 >>> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 14:51:32 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:51:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401c889fa$a209a6f0$0201a8c0@M90> It appears that when I start the second machine it hits the swap file a lot or something. These machines are each 2.X gigs of memory and need to be in order to run the process I am trying to run. The first one continues to run full speed but the second runs very slowly. One reason that I think the swap file may be involved is that the VM setup warns against setting up a vm with more than 3.X gigs of ram "or it will use the swap file and performance will suffer". I am guessing that the COMBINED memory for the two vms is exceeding this value and so the second machine started runs slowly. Just a guess though. Something is going wrong. That is in addition to the issue of the vm reboot though. The vm reboot appears to be something to do with both trying to run virtual disks where the vd files are on the same hardware ram disk. That too is just a guess. I don't really know enough to figure out how to figure out the causes of things like this, other than experimentation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:58 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Hi John Two instances of "the same" machine can easily run. I have had three web servers running in parallel. However, they must - of course - be configured to use different disk(file)s ... /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 17:50 >>> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 19 15:01:10 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:01:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <000301c889f5$a1d51bb0$0400a8c0@jt2b> References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> <000301c889f5$a1d51bb0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: Hi Jon: That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan of various help sites where this issue is discussed. There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-9480-f4ed 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems started, and I still can't log in. Event Type: Error Event Source: DCOM Event Category: None Event ID: 10000 Date: 19/03/2008 Time: 18:04:18 User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: JT2B Description: Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The error: "%%0" Happened while starting this command: %1 I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to dig out the install CD... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Mar 19 15:11:47 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:11:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jim: Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan of various help sites where this issue is discussed. There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-9480-f4ed 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems started, and I still can't log in. Event Type: Error Event Source: DCOM Event Category: None Event ID: 10000 Date: 19/03/2008 Time: 18:04:18 User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: JT2B Description: Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The error: "%%0" Happened while starting this command: %1 I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to dig out the install CD... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 19 17:02:08 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:02:08 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c88a0c$e048fee0$0400a8c0@jt2b> I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jim: Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan of various help sites where this issue is discussed. There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-9480-f4ed 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems started, and I still can't log in. Event Type: Error Event Source: DCOM Event Category: None Event ID: 10000 Date: 19/03/2008 Time: 18:04:18 User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: JT2B Description: Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The error: "%%0" Happened while starting this command: %1 I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to dig out the install CD... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Mar 19 17:13:50 2008 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:13:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <000601c88a0c$e048fee0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: Definitely also runs from a CD. Should also boot from an USB-Stick. Have not tried that jet. Talking of waste of a CD, you should google for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free downloadable CD-images that contain besides Memtest86 a lot of useful utilities. Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon Tydda Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 23:02 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jim: Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan of various help sites where this issue is discussed. There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-9480-f4ed 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems started, and I still can't log in. Event Type: Error Event Source: DCOM Event Category: None Event ID: 10000 Date: 19/03/2008 Time: 18:04:18 User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: JT2B Description: Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The error: "%%0" Happened while starting this command: %1 I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to dig out the install CD... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... 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Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 19 17:14:42 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:14:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Message-ID: Hi John That sounds likely. But how about adjusting down the ram use for each machine - just for a test. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 20:51 >>> It appears that when I start the second machine it hits the swap file a lot or something. These machines are each 2.X gigs of memory and need to be in order to run the process I am trying to run. The first one continues to run full speed but the second runs very slowly. One reason that I think the swap file may be involved is that the VM setup warns against setting up a vm with more than 3.X gigs of ram "or it will use the swap file and performance will suffer". I am guessing that the COMBINED memory for the two vms is exceeding this value and so the second machine started runs slowly. Just a guess though. Something is going wrong. That is in addition to the issue of the vm reboot though. The vm reboot appears to be something to do with both trying to run virtual disks where the vd files are on the same hardware ram disk. That too is just a guess. I don't really know enough to figure out how to figure out the causes of things like this, other than experimentation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:58 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Hi John Two instances of "the same" machine can easily run. I have had three web servers running in parallel. However, they must - of course - be configured to use different disk(file)s ... /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 17:50 >>> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Mar 19 17:27:16 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:27:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002b01c88a10$638fafd0$0201a8c0@M90> I will try that. I am limited how far down I can go because the software that I run is a pretty big "in memory" database. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:15 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Hi John That sounds likely. But how about adjusting down the ram use for each machine - just for a test. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 20:51 >>> It appears that when I start the second machine it hits the swap file a lot or something. These machines are each 2.X gigs of memory and need to be in order to run the process I am trying to run. The first one continues to run full speed but the second runs very slowly. One reason that I think the swap file may be involved is that the VM setup warns against setting up a vm with more than 3.X gigs of ram "or it will use the swap file and performance will suffer". I am guessing that the COMBINED memory for the two vms is exceeding this value and so the second machine started runs slowly. Just a guess though. Something is going wrong. That is in addition to the issue of the vm reboot though. The vm reboot appears to be something to do with both trying to run virtual disks where the vd files are on the same hardware ram disk. That too is just a guess. I don't really know enough to figure out how to figure out the causes of things like this, other than experimentation. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:58 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VMWare VM and shared RAMDISK Hi John Two instances of "the same" machine can easily run. I have had three web servers running in parallel. However, they must - of course - be configured to use different disk(file)s ... /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-03-2008 17:50 >>> I got two instances of the same virtual machine going this morning. A simple copy of the directory is mostly all that has to be done. There is some sort of machine ID which VMWare complains is duplicated when the second instance fires up, let VMWare correct that and then as the second instance starts it says there are two machines with the same name on the network. That required just setting the machine name to be different from the first and rebooting that VM. However the second machine will not run the software at the same time as the first. I set up virtual disks from the VM supervisor, one for each VM. Each is a file on the hardware ram disk in the VMWare host machine. I can set them up, format them etc but when the second VM starts to run it eventually reboots. I am guessing that it is a conflict with the SATA controller (when accessing the RAM disk) or some such. It doesn't matter, at this point I simply cannot run the second VM and have both access their respective virtual drives on the Hardware RAM disk. Sigh. I guess that is why we do testing eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bgeldart at verizon.net Wed Mar 19 20:39:42 2008 From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: <003601c889c5$8884db30$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <0JY0006D29TWES60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Jon A couple of years ago I started having problems similar to your--unanticipated reboots. Would happen downloading email, then when opening/closing CD apps, sometimes during startups. Send reports to MS and it would tell me it was a driver problem, but nothing more specific. Ran Memtest many times, usually turned up negative, would even reboot while running Memtest. Finally I realized it was the heat--happened mostly in summer and warmer days. Opened the case and vacuumed out the dust (a lot). Left the side off the box and aimed a small 6-inch personal fan against the box, turn it on when it seems warm, especially approaching 80F. Cleared the problem up immediately, and haven't had a similar shutdown in the couple of years since. Can't help you with the login problem, tho. Good luck, Bob At 3/19/2008 11:26 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >Hi Jon: > >Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board >or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor >is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > >Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone >could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > >For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while >I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it >showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I >clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the >only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not >used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated >the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc >for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, >so that's my tip of the day!). > >Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured >that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian >last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day >off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, >I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. >The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, >shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do >anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > >So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a >full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found >something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean >apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > >Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, >Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's >anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says >I'm not missing anything anyway... > >So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident >anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > >I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > >Jon Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA From fahooper at trapo.com Thu Mar 20 06:40:02 2008 From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:40:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <0JY0006D29TWES60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000c01c88a7f$244301f0$a917c048@fred6998b25045> I've heard of similar issues that were fixed by SpinRite. Fred -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Jon A couple of years ago I started having problems similar to your--unanticipated reboots. Would happen downloading email, then when opening/closing CD apps, sometimes during startups. Send reports to MS and it would tell me it was a driver problem, but nothing more specific. Ran Memtest many times, usually turned up negative, would even reboot while running Memtest. Finally I realized it was the heat--happened mostly in summer and warmer days. Opened the case and vacuumed out the dust (a lot). Left the side off the box and aimed a small 6-inch personal fan against the box, turn it on when it seems warm, especially approaching 80F. Cleared the problem up immediately, and haven't had a similar shutdown in the couple of years since. Can't help you with the login problem, tho. Good luck, Bob At 3/19/2008 11:26 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >Hi Jon: > >Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board >or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor >is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > >Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone >could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > >For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while >I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it >showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I >clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the >only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not >used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated >the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc >for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, >so that's my tip of the day!). > >Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured >that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian >last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day >off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, >I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. >The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, >shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do >anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > >So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a >full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found >something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean >apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > >Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, >Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's >anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says >I'm not missing anything anyway... > >So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident >anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > >I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > >Jon Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 07:45:01 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:45:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: <000601c88a0c$e048fee0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: Thanks Helmut. You are right in saying that everyone should have one of these Ultimate Boot CD's. I'm downloading my CD image right now. GK On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > Definitely also runs from a CD. Should also boot from an USB-Stick. Have not > tried that jet. Talking of waste of a CD, you should google for "Ultimate > Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free downloadable > CD-images that contain besides Memtest86 a lot of useful utilities. > Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. > > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon Tydda > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 23:02 > > > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) > > Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch > Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jim: > Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at www.memtest86.com/ > build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. > It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all kinds > of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Lawrence > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > Hi Jon: > > That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan of > various help sites where this issue is discussed. > > There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d1-4d05 > -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-9480-f4ed > 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav > Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the point/file/registry > that failed. The failed file could either be corrupt or most likely have > some permissions issues. > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server tells > me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run chkdsk on all my > drives, as well as run a system restore to a point before the problems > started, and I still can't log in. > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: DCOM > Event Category: None > Event ID: 10000 > Date: 19/03/2008 > Time: 18:04:18 > User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE > Computer: JT2B > Description: > Unable to start a DCOM Server: {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The > error: > "%%0" > Happened while starting this command: > %1 > > I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control > Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's time to > dig out the install CD... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jon: > > Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother board > or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the heat sensor > is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > > But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. To > check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. > If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. > Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a soldering gun > you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about $50.00 to $100.00 to > do the set. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if anyone > could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > > For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting itself while > I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when it restarted it > showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious error" message, so I > clicked on the box and it told me that I had an issue with a driver. Now the > only thing I've been using recently that would need a driver that I've not > used in a while is my webcam, so I went to the creative website, and updated > the driver (incidentally, they've got a great widget that searches your pc > for hardware, and shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, > so that's my tip of the day!). > > Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I figured > that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched back to Trillian > last night, and all was well. So I thought that seeing as how I have the day > off today, I'd try and work out what the problem is with MSN. Except today, > I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. > The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me in, > shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, I can't do > anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > > So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware 2007, a > full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan Hunter found > something in my download folder, and removed it, all the others were clean > apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > > Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, CCleaner, > Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to see if there's > anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with errors. Belarc says > I'm not missing anything anyway... > > So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident > anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > > I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Mar 20 07:57:02 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:57:02 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: References: <000601c88a0c$e048fee0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <002101c88a89$e4d276d0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Yeah, me too. The WMI tool came up with some errors that might be causing the problem, but as too how I change the permissions on it, I just don't know. It says to just use the WMIMGMT.MSC tool. So I open that up and it's empty... Plus there are over 23000 lines of WMIDIAG report to read. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 20 March 2008 12:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Thanks Helmut. You are right in saying that everyone should have one of these Ultimate Boot CD's. I'm downloading my CD image right now. GK On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > Definitely also runs from a CD. Should also boot from an USB-Stick. > Have not tried that jet. Talking of waste of a CD, you should google > for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free > downloadable CD-images that contain besides Memtest86 a lot of useful utilities. > Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. > > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon > Tydda > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 23:02 > > > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) > > Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut > Kotsch > Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jim: > Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at > www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. > It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all > kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim > Lawrence > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > Hi Jon: > > That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan > of various help sites where this issue is discussed. > > There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" > > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d > 1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-948 > 0-f4ed > 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav > Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the > point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be > corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server > tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run > chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point > before the problems started, and I still can't log in. > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: DCOM > Event Category: None > Event ID: 10000 > Date: 19/03/2008 > Time: 18:04:18 > User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE > Computer: JT2B > Description: > Unable to start a DCOM Server: > {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The > error: > "%%0" > Happened while starting this command: > %1 > > I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control > Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's > time to dig out the install CD... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jon: > > Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother > board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the > heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > > But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. > To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. > If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. > Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a > soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about > $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if > anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > > For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting > itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when > it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious > error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an > issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that > would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I > went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, > they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and > shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). > > Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I > figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched > back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that > seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the > problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. > The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me > in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, > I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > > So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware > 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan > Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the > others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > > Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, > CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to > see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with > errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... > > So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident > anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > > I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 08:19:42 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office Message-ID: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I'm trying to find out just what Live Office is, and frankly, not making much out of the marketing material. Since it's built on the SharePoint platform, I'm wondering if you have to actually have SharePoint to use it? If so, I don't see the point of Life Office -- seems redundant. However, if it allows you to exploit SP without actually have it, then I can see its use. Susan H. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 20 08:30:41 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:30:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office In-Reply-To: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> >and frankly, not making much out of the marketing material. ROTFL. Marketing material is aimed at folks who don't have a clue, but control the purse strings (how scary is THAT!!!). Big action words to make you visualize your company earning a billion bucks a week after buying the product. Nothing whatsoever as to what it actually does. I can't even read the stuff, it simply does not make any sense to me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:20 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office I'm trying to find out just what Live Office is, and frankly, not making much out of the marketing material. Since it's built on the SharePoint platform, I'm wondering if you have to actually have SharePoint to use it? If so, I don't see the point of Life Office -- seems redundant. However, if it allows you to exploit SP without actually have it, then I can see its use. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 08:34:46 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:34:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Live (Re: Live Office) References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <011601c88a8f$3215e030$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I just can't figure it out, and I need to. I "think" it's an easy and inexpensive way for individual users and small businesses to share information via the Internet, without actually have the development experience to do so -- but I'm still just guessing. And, it's Office Live, not Live Office -- just in case I confused anyone. :) Susan H. > Marketing material is aimed at folks who don't have a clue, but control > the > purse strings (how scary is THAT!!!). Big action words to make you > visualize your company earning a billion bucks a week after buying the > product. Nothing whatsoever as to what it actually does. I can't even > read > the stuff, it simply does not make any sense to me. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 08:36:41 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:36:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office In-Reply-To: <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: You don't need SharePoint. I would say its the first toe in the water for MS re Software as a Service. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 20 March 2008 13:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Live Office >and frankly, not making much out of the marketing material. ROTFL. Marketing material is aimed at folks who don't have a clue, but control the purse strings (how scary is THAT!!!). Big action words to make you visualize your company earning a billion bucks a week after buying the product. Nothing whatsoever as to what it actually does. I can't even read the stuff, it simply does not make any sense to me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:20 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office I'm trying to find out just what Live Office is, and frankly, not making much out of the marketing material. Since it's built on the SharePoint platform, I'm wondering if you have to actually have SharePoint to use it? If so, I don't see the point of Life Office -- seems redundant. However, if it allows you to exploit SP without actually have it, then I can see its use. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 08:42:37 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:42:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Yes, I'm sure you're right about that but at this point, I need answers to questions before I bother to continue -- that was my first question, so thank you. :) As for an Office Live web site -- do you pay a host or are you publishing your site on some huge MS server? What about domain names? Right now, it looks like you can publish lists from Outlook, Access, and Excel, and I'm not sure how helpful that is -- is it interactive? I mean, could I allow users to update Access data via a page published via Office Live? Susan H. > You don't need SharePoint. I would say its the first toe in the water for > MS re Software as a Service. > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 08:45:04 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:45:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office In-Reply-To: <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> , <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: The Office Live I use is free. Its a beta at the moment. Office Live Small Business is a different thing. See http://smallbusiness.officelive.com/ http://workspace.officelive.com/?lc=2057 I use Office Live Workspace. I think you are talking about Small Business version. Why dont oyu create an account on each and have a look. I am not sure if theres a cost for the small business version but I think they have a free offering. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com] Sent: 20 March 2008 13:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Live Office Yes, I'm sure you're right about that but at this point, I need answers to questions before I bother to continue -- that was my first question, so thank you. :) As for an Office Live web site -- do you pay a host or are you publishing your site on some huge MS server? What about domain names? Right now, it looks like you can publish lists from Outlook, Access, and Excel, and I'm not sure how helpful that is -- is it interactive? I mean, could I allow users to update Access data via a page published via Office Live? Susan H. > You don't need SharePoint. I would say its the first toe in the water for > MS re Software as a Service. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 08:56:10 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90>, <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <013a01c88a92$3b0d12f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > Why dont oyu create an account on each and have a look. I am not sure if > theres a cost for the small business version but I think they have a free > offering. =====I'm thinking about it -- as long as learning is free, I'm Okay with it. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:00:23 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:00:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90>, <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <01e201c88aa3$8dd50770$4b3a8343@SusanOne> > I use Office Live Workspace. ======Martin, how do you use it? Susan H. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 11:07:41 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:07:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Live Office In-Reply-To: <01e201c88aa3$8dd50770$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>, <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90>, <012601c88a90$4735c8d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> , <01e201c88aa3$8dd50770$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Mostly just somewhere to dump files to the web and pick them up anywhere. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com] Sent: 20 March 2008 16:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Live Office > I use Office Live Workspace. ======Martin, how do you use it? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Mar 20 11:17:02 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:17:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <002101c88a89$e4d276d0$0400a8c0@jt2b> References: <000601c88a0c$e048fee0$0400a8c0@jt2b> <002101c88a89$e4d276d0$0400a8c0@jt2b> Message-ID: <8F230B46543E46F8A82F0EF1FEC86D56@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Jon: Look for the word 'denied' or other similar text in the WMIDIAG report. Another go way to trace a permissions error is to run the Process Monitor. Run the monitor, run the process that would create the WMI error and then stop the monitor. Within its few hundred lines of summary it will show the exact process being run, file being accessed and the error response. That way you should be able to find the offending file. It may be a directory, file or registry permissions or corruption error. This process should bring the resolution closer. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Yeah, me too. The WMI tool came up with some errors that might be causing the problem, but as too how I change the permissions on it, I just don't know. It says to just use the WMIMGMT.MSC tool. So I open that up and it's empty... Plus there are over 23000 lines of WMIDIAG report to read. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 20 March 2008 12:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Thanks Helmut. You are right in saying that everyone should have one of these Ultimate Boot CD's. I'm downloading my CD image right now. GK On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > Definitely also runs from a CD. Should also boot from an USB-Stick. > Have not tried that jet. Talking of waste of a CD, you should google > for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free > downloadable CD-images that contain besides Memtest86 a lot of useful utilities. > Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. > > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon > Tydda > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 23:02 > > > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) > > Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut > Kotsch > Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jim: > Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at > www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. > It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all > kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim > Lawrence > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > Hi Jon: > > That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan > of various help sites where this issue is discussed. > > There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" > > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d > 1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-948 > 0-f4ed > 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav > Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the > point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be > corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server > tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run > chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point > before the problems started, and I still can't log in. > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: DCOM > Event Category: None > Event ID: 10000 > Date: 19/03/2008 > Time: 18:04:18 > User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE > Computer: JT2B > Description: > Unable to start a DCOM Server: > {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The > error: > "%%0" > Happened while starting this command: > %1 > > I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control > Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's > time to dig out the install CD... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jon: > > Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother > board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the > heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > > But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. > To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. > If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. > Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a > soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about > $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if > anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > > For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting > itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when > it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious > error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an > issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that > would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I > went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, > they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and > shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). > > Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I > figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched > back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that > seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the > problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. > The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me > in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, > I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > > So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware > 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan > Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the > others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > > Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, > CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to > see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with > errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... > > So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident > anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > > I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Mar 20 11:18:55 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:18:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Live (Re: Live Office) In-Reply-To: <011601c88a8f$3215e030$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90> <011601c88a8f$3215e030$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <222C08C7A81E4E5B8D627B81A2501AA2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Susan: It is definitely a SharePoint product. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:35 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Live (Re: Live Office) I just can't figure it out, and I need to. I "think" it's an easy and inexpensive way for individual users and small businesses to share information via the Internet, without actually have the development experience to do so -- but I'm still just guessing. And, it's Office Live, not Live Office -- just in case I confused anyone. :) Susan H. > Marketing material is aimed at folks who don't have a clue, but control > the > purse strings (how scary is THAT!!!). Big action words to make you > visualize your company earning a billion bucks a week after buying the > product. Nothing whatsoever as to what it actually does. I can't even > read > the stuff, it simply does not make any sense to me. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 12:01:46 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:01:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Live (Re: Live Office) References: <00ed01c88a8d$1ca953a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><001101c88a8e$98623060$0201a8c0@M90><011601c88a8f$3215e030$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <222C08C7A81E4E5B8D627B81A2501AA2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <024001c88aac$ba3a2580$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Yes, I know it's built on the SharePoint model, I just didn't know if you had to actually have SharePoint to use it. Looks like you don't, which makes it more assessable and frankly, makes the product make sense. Susan H. > > It is definitely a SharePoint product. From djkr at msn.com Thu Mar 20 20:59:17 2008 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:59:17 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Intel's smoke and mirrors In-Reply-To: <024001c88aac$ba3a2580$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Hi folks What's going on with Intel? I mean with the long-ago announcement of the non-extreme Yorkfield quad processors, delayed from January for some unlikely PR guff about AMD. It's the Q9300, Q9450 and Q9550 I'm talking about. Total silence. No processors (apart from a few lonely Engineering Samples). Can't they get them to work? Or can't they manufacture them at all? What's the story? My beef is that I've built my new PC, except for the Q9450 it's designed round. It's got loads of RAM, terabyte disks, Blu-ray, etc - but no brain. Useless! John From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 20 21:45:29 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:45:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwww internet? Message-ID: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> This is getting irritating. I am paying money for high speed and some fiber company between here and there is providing pitiful service. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 22:34:39 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:34:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwww internet? In-Reply-To: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803202034q78c14d95jbc84a24f85d4f0ca@mail.gmail.com> I definitely think that it is your ISP at fault, not the net. I'm getting lightning response and have been all day long. This is a cable connection here, and its response has always been stellar. Once in a long while, a thunderstorm has caused problems but they cleared that up pretty quickly. A. On 3/20/08, jwcolby wrote: > > This is getting irritating. I am paying money for high speed and some > fiber > company between here and there is providing pitiful service. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Mar 20 23:15:00 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:15:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwww internet? In-Reply-To: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <015b01c88b0a$218160c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> I sue this: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ to test my speed Right now I'm getting 9729 down and 980 up to Los Angeles; 9633 down and 958 up to New York; 9705 down and 970 up to Atlanta. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwww internet? This is getting irritating. I am paying money for high speed and some fiber company between here and there is providing pitiful service. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1337 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 8:10 PM From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 23:25:16 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:25:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwww internet? In-Reply-To: <015b01c88b0a$218160c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> <015b01c88b0a$218160c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <29f585dd0803202125i4f6c0dfdw37e7369ff91f7654@mail.gmail.com> I sue this? It's almost Friday and a good one at that, so I'll say this reminds me of the sushi for lawyers. It's called sosumi. A. On 3/20/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > I sue this: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ to test my speed > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Mar 20 23:58:38 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:58:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803202125i4f6c0dfdw37e7369ff91f7654@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90><015b01c88b0a$218160c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <29f585dd0803202125i4f6c0dfdw37e7369ff91f7654@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <018401c88b10$39fe16b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> But I never one anything. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? I sue this? It's almost Friday and a good one at that, so I'll say this reminds me of the sushi for lawyers. It's called sosumi. A. On 3/20/08, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > I sue this: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ to test my speed > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1337 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 8:10 PM From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 21 08:15:54 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:15:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Message-ID: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> Hi All, Some of you are knowledgeable about Linux, so I am turning to you for help. I'm enrolled in an HP Linux 101 class and I'm having some difficulties that have not yet received response from my classmates or instructor. Perhaps one (or more) of you will be able to point me in the right direction. The distro being used for this class is Fedora-7. I have done the long downloads to get the ISO image files - the full install DVD version and the Live Spin CD version. Preferring to go the virtual machine route, I have downloaded and installed the VMware Player. To get the Fedora-7 Appliance, I have downloaded and installed BitTorrent, and completed the 22-hour download of that Appliance. That seemed to be working just fine, and I had a nice virtual Fedora-7 machine running. In its initial setup it asked me to created a "regular user" profile, so as not to be always using the administrator level, root user power (and possibly screw up the things I am not yet familiar with). I did that, but felt uneasy, because I wondered how I would get back to the "root user" profile if I needed to. Well, in lesson 2, in the section on installing Fedora-7 in an actual partition on your hard drive, it states that during the setup you will meet the Set Root Password dialog box. In my virtual installation, that dialog box was never presented to me. Because I truly cannot afford to screw up my main computer, I did not want to play around with partitioning my C:\ drive, which is why I chose the virtual route. Lesson 4 is all about doing administrative things, which I cannot do because I cannot get into the "root user" profile. Since the VM Player route hadn't worked well, I went back over the documentation for lesson 2, where mention was also made of using the VM Server and configuring the VM to read the ISO file as an optical drive (no explanation, just mention). So, I downloaded and installed the VM Server - which required uninstalling the VM Player so the VM Server installation could reinstall it (not mentioned until well into the VM Server installation process, so start everything over AGAIN). Four experiments later, I have found how to do the configuration to use an ISO image file as an optical drive, but, the machine fails to start, sending a few error messages, including but not limited to: no operating system found, no VM Tools installed, and can't find floppy A:, and CD drive (0) will start disconnected. My questions could all be boiled down into one, I suppose: "What am I doing wrong?" But, the answer to that might require a full book, so I'll give more specific questions. 1) In an existing virtual Fedora-7 machine, where no password has been created (by the human trying to create this thing) for the root user profile, is there any way to get into the root user profile? 2) Is it possible to create a virtual Fedora-7 machine with a stop at the Set Root Password dialog box? 3) If it is not possible to do this in a virtual machine, can I set up a partition for my Fedora-7 operating system on my USB external hard drive? Any and all assistance in this will be appreciated. I need to know something about Linux, and I am being thwarted by hidden gotchas that nobody told me about, and for which, so far, I am receiving no assistance from my instructor or classmates. Thanks for putting up with my woes. Tina From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Mar 21 13:43:10 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:43:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hi Tina: Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic features that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil is in the details comes to mind) I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an Oracle Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which really is Debian with a pretty interface). To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or sudo and at that time you should be prompted for the root user username and password. I do not know why the install did not prompt you for root password and there is usually a request for partitioning of the remaining drive home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do that but I am not familiar with the differences related to Fedora. (Is not Fedora 8 out of beta?) Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines and will not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split between Linux and Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed me to select how much of the left space to use. Installed easily and sees the Windows partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB memory card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file on a Windows drive for particulars. Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with either Fedora or VMWare. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi All, Some of you are knowledgeable about Linux, so I am turning to you for help. I'm enrolled in an HP Linux 101 class and I'm having some difficulties that have not yet received response from my classmates or instructor. Perhaps one (or more) of you will be able to point me in the right direction. The distro being used for this class is Fedora-7. I have done the long downloads to get the ISO image files - the full install DVD version and the Live Spin CD version. Preferring to go the virtual machine route, I have downloaded and installed the VMware Player. To get the Fedora-7 Appliance, I have downloaded and installed BitTorrent, and completed the 22-hour download of that Appliance. That seemed to be working just fine, and I had a nice virtual Fedora-7 machine running. In its initial setup it asked me to created a "regular user" profile, so as not to be always using the administrator level, root user power (and possibly screw up the things I am not yet familiar with). I did that, but felt uneasy, because I wondered how I would get back to the "root user" profile if I needed to. Well, in lesson 2, in the section on installing Fedora-7 in an actual partition on your hard drive, it states that during the setup you will meet the Set Root Password dialog box. In my virtual installation, that dialog box was never presented to me. Because I truly cannot afford to screw up my main computer, I did not want to play around with partitioning my C:\ drive, which is why I chose the virtual route. Lesson 4 is all about doing administrative things, which I cannot do because I cannot get into the "root user" profile. Since the VM Player route hadn't worked well, I went back over the documentation for lesson 2, where mention was also made of using the VM Server and configuring the VM to read the ISO file as an optical drive (no explanation, just mention). So, I downloaded and installed the VM Server - which required uninstalling the VM Player so the VM Server installation could reinstall it (not mentioned until well into the VM Server installation process, so start everything over AGAIN). Four experiments later, I have found how to do the configuration to use an ISO image file as an optical drive, but, the machine fails to start, sending a few error messages, including but not limited to: no operating system found, no VM Tools installed, and can't find floppy A:, and CD drive (0) will start disconnected. My questions could all be boiled down into one, I suppose: "What am I doing wrong?" But, the answer to that might require a full book, so I'll give more specific questions. 1) In an existing virtual Fedora-7 machine, where no password has been created (by the human trying to create this thing) for the root user profile, is there any way to get into the root user profile? 2) Is it possible to create a virtual Fedora-7 machine with a stop at the Set Root Password dialog box? 3) If it is not possible to do this in a virtual machine, can I set up a partition for my Fedora-7 operating system on my USB external hard drive? Any and all assistance in this will be appreciated. I need to know something about Linux, and I am being thwarted by hidden gotchas that nobody told me about, and for which, so far, I am receiving no assistance from my instructor or classmates. Thanks for putting up with my woes. Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Mar 21 13:57:40 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:57:40 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... In-Reply-To: <8F230B46543E46F8A82F0EF1FEC86D56@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I gave up... took the hard drive out and reinstalled Windows on the other 200gb hard drive. Gave me the opportunity to install the lightscribe DVD writer I had, as well as the multi-card reader that was lying around too. Life's too short to troubleshoot WMI errors :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 20 March 2008 16:17 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Hi Jon: Look for the word 'denied' or other similar text in the WMIDIAG report. Another go way to trace a permissions error is to run the Process Monitor. Run the monitor, run the process that would create the WMI error and then stop the monitor. Within its few hundred lines of summary it will show the exact process being run, file being accessed and the error response. That way you should be able to find the offending file. It may be a directory, file or registry permissions or corruption error. This process should bring the resolution closer. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Yeah, me too. The WMI tool came up with some errors that might be causing the problem, but as too how I change the permissions on it, I just don't know. It says to just use the WMIMGMT.MSC tool. So I open that up and it's empty... Plus there are over 23000 lines of WMIDIAG report to read. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 20 March 2008 12:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... Thanks Helmut. You are right in saying that everyone should have one of these Ultimate Boot CD's. I'm downloading my CD image right now. GK On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > Definitely also runs from a CD. Should also boot from an USB-Stick. > Have not tried that jet. Talking of waste of a CD, you should google > for "Ultimate Boot CD": This will give you a large selection of free > downloadable CD-images that contain besides Memtest86 a lot of useful utilities. > Everybody working with PC's should have one of these CD's available. > > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon > Tydda > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 23:02 > > > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > I haven't run Memtest... I don't have a floppy drive any more :-) > > Can it be run from a cd? Although it seems such a waste of a cd... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut > Kotsch > Sent: 19 March 2008 20:12 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jim: > Did you run the memory test? If not, get Memtest86 at > www.memtest86.com/ build a floppy and let that run for a few hours. > It is my experience that if you have a memory problem you can get all > kinds of error messages that lead you in the wrong direction and waste your time. > > Helmut > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim > Lawrence > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Marz 2008 21:01 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > > Hi Jon: > > That is an ugly error; very difficult to resolve. I took a quick scan > of various help sites where this issue is discussed. > > There are a couple of tools suggested like: "WMI Diagnosis Utility" > > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7ba3cd6-18d > 1-4d05 -b11e-4c64192ae97d&displaylang=en)and the "Process Monitor" at > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/86a95979-23f8-45f5-948 > 0-f4ed > 9dab3aab.aspx?wt.svl=leftnav > Which will not solve a problem by will point you to the > point/file/registry that failed. The failed file could either be > corrupt or most likely have some permissions issues. > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:16 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > I'm getting lots of these in the Event Log. Googling the DCOM server > tells me that it's WMI that's the problem. However, I've now run > chkdsk on all my drives, as well as run a system restore to a point > before the problems started, and I still can't log in. > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: DCOM > Event Category: None > Event ID: 10000 > Date: 19/03/2008 > Time: 18:04:18 > User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE > Computer: JT2B > Description: > Unable to start a DCOM Server: > {73E709EA-5D93-4B2E-BBB0-99B7938DA9E4}. The > error: > "%%0" > Happened while starting this command: > %1 > > I found a page that told me to look at Component Services in Control > Panels/Administrative Tools, but it fails to open for me. Think it's > time to dig out the install CD... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: 19 March 2008 16:27 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Hi Jon: > > Have you checked the fans? If the fans are not working on the mother > board or the main power supply fans is not working correctly and the > heat sensor is set in your bios; that can cause you system to stop. > > But the most likely cause are Resisters... this happens all the time. > To check is the resisters on the mother board. You usually have about a dozen. > If you see ones with a bulge on the top or side you know you have a bad one. > Replacing them is about $1.50 each and if you are good with a > soldering gun you can replace then. Otherwise it will cost you about > $50.00 to $100.00 to do the set. > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer issues... > > Morning all, I'm having "issues" with my computer and wondered if > anyone could come up with some ideas that I haven't thought of... > > For the last couple of days, my pc has been randomly restarting > itself while I've been using it, which is kind of annoying. Once when > it restarted it showed me the "Windows has recovered from a serious > error" message, so I clicked on the box and it told me that I had an > issue with a driver. Now the only thing I've been using recently that > would need a driver that I've not used in a while is my webcam, so I > went to the creative website, and updated the driver (incidentally, > they've got a great widget that searches your pc for hardware, and > shows you the relevant drivers and utilities for it all, so that's my tip of the day!). > > Downloaded and installed those, next day it was doing it again. I > figured that the prolem might be with MSN Messenger, so I switched > back to Trillian last night, and all was well. So I thought that > seeing as how I have the day off today, I'd try and work out what the > problem is with MSN. Except today, I turn the computer on, and I can't get into anything other than safe mode. > The welcome screen appears, I choose a username, it starts to log me > in, shows my desktop, and then logs me out. Whichever account I use, > I can't do anything. Ctrl-alt-del doesn't work fast enough to bring up a process list. > > So I started in Safe Mode, ran Trojan Hunter, Counter Spy, Ad-Aware > 2007, a full AVG Virus Scan, Spybot and a Panda ActiveScan. Trojan > Hunter found something in my download folder, and removed it, all the > others were clean apart from the occasional cookie, which I removed. > > Started again, still no luck. Back to safe mode, disk cleanup, > CCleaner, Defrag. Nothing. Tried getting into Windows Update too, to > see if there's anything that I'm missing, but it keeps coming up with > errors. Belarc says I'm not missing anything anyway... > > So I'm stuck in safe mode - with no firewall, anti-virus or resident > anti-spyware... Any ideas? :-) > > I'm running XP Pro SP2, nothing special... > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free. > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 21 14:52:18 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:52:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, Well, you are more help than you think. Yes, Fedora-8 is out of beta, and I did download it, too, but the class is using Fedora-7, so that's what I'm trying to work with. As an assignment at the end of lesson 1, we were to got get our Fedora-7 and burn to DVD and/or CD, depending on whether we got the whole distro or the Live Spin. I got both, in both Fedora-7 and Fedora-8. Unbelievably long downloads - another mystery for me, there, since I have a high-speed wireless broadband connection of 11 Mbps, yet the download was going at speeds around 8-9 Kbps, but that is for another time - each of these efforts took about 12 hours. So, I have the DVD and CD for each of these two Fedora versions - all the files properly burned from the ISO. If I build a partition on my USB external drive and install Fedora-7 on it, maybe that way I can finally get this thing going. Thank you for the reassurance that it should work. I may come back and visit with you about the dual-booting option my instructor suggested. I just don't want to damage my Windows XP laptop, which is my main computer. (Yes, I do back things up, but still. . . .) I need to know about this stuff, so I'm not giving up. Thanks for your response. I'll most likely be back for more help. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic features > that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil is in the > details comes to mind) > > I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an Oracle > Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which really is > Debian with a pretty interface). > > To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or sudo > and at that time you should be prompted for the root user username and > password. I do not know why the install did not prompt you for root password > and there is usually a request for partitioning of the remaining drive > home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do that but I am not familiar > with the differences related to Fedora. (Is not Fedora 8 out of beta?) > > Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines and will > not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split between Linux and > Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed me to select how much of > the left space to use. Installed easily and sees the Windows > partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. > > I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some > computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. > > You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB memory > card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file on a Windows > drive for particulars. > > Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with either > Fedora or VMWare. > > HTH > Jim > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Mar 21 15:56:10 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:56:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000401c88b95$fed355b0$0201a8c0@M90> Does anyone know of a linux distro that has VMWare built in? Preferably one that could if necessary run off of CD or thumb drive? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Jim, Well, you are more help than you think. Yes, Fedora-8 is out of beta, and I did download it, too, but the class is using Fedora-7, so that's what I'm trying to work with. As an assignment at the end of lesson 1, we were to got get our Fedora-7 and burn to DVD and/or CD, depending on whether we got the whole distro or the Live Spin. I got both, in both Fedora-7 and Fedora-8. Unbelievably long downloads - another mystery for me, there, since I have a high-speed wireless broadband connection of 11 Mbps, yet the download was going at speeds around 8-9 Kbps, but that is for another time - each of these efforts took about 12 hours. So, I have the DVD and CD for each of these two Fedora versions - all the files properly burned from the ISO. If I build a partition on my USB external drive and install Fedora-7 on it, maybe that way I can finally get this thing going. Thank you for the reassurance that it should work. I may come back and visit with you about the dual-booting option my instructor suggested. I just don't want to damage my Windows XP laptop, which is my main computer. (Yes, I do back things up, but still. . . .) I need to know about this stuff, so I'm not giving up. Thanks for your response. I'll most likely be back for more help. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic > features that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil > is in the details comes to mind) > > I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an > Oracle Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which > really is Debian with a pretty interface). > > To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or > sudo and at that time you should be prompted for the root user > username and password. I do not know why the install did not prompt > you for root password and there is usually a request for partitioning > of the remaining drive home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do > that but I am not familiar with the differences related to Fedora. (Is > not Fedora 8 out of beta?) > > Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines > and will not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split > between Linux and Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed > me to select how much of the left space to use. Installed easily and > sees the Windows partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. > > I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some > computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. > > You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB > memory card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file > on a Windows drive for particulars. > > Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with > either Fedora or VMWare. > > HTH > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Fri Mar 21 16:39:03 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:39:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> Tina, You could always install VMware player and load the fedora 7 VMware image found here: http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/ Note that the image is 971MB. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Jim, Well, you are more help than you think. Yes, Fedora-8 is out of beta, and I did download it, too, but the class is using Fedora-7, so that's what I'm trying to work with. As an assignment at the end of lesson 1, we were to got get our Fedora-7 and burn to DVD and/or CD, depending on whether we got the whole distro or the Live Spin. I got both, in both Fedora-7 and Fedora-8. Unbelievably long downloads - another mystery for me, there, since I have a high-speed wireless broadband connection of 11 Mbps, yet the download was going at speeds around 8-9 Kbps, but that is for another time - each of these efforts took about 12 hours. So, I have the DVD and CD for each of these two Fedora versions - all the files properly burned from the ISO. If I build a partition on my USB external drive and install Fedora-7 on it, maybe that way I can finally get this thing going. Thank you for the reassurance that it should work. I may come back and visit with you about the dual-booting option my instructor suggested. I just don't want to damage my Windows XP laptop, which is my main computer. (Yes, I do back things up, but still. . . .) I need to know about this stuff, so I'm not giving up. Thanks for your response. I'll most likely be back for more help. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic features > that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil is in the > details comes to mind) > > I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an Oracle > Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which really is > Debian with a pretty interface). > > To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or sudo > and at that time you should be prompted for the root user username and > password. I do not know why the install did not prompt you for root password > and there is usually a request for partitioning of the remaining drive > home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do that but I am not familiar > with the differences related to Fedora. (Is not Fedora 8 out of beta?) > > Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines and will > not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split between Linux and > Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed me to select how much of > the left space to use. Installed easily and sees the Windows > partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. > > I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some > computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. > > You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB memory > card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file on a Windows > drive for particulars. > > Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with either > Fedora or VMWare. > > HTH > Jim > > > From bheid at sc.rr.com Fri Mar 21 16:55:34 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:55:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> Tina, I just re-read your post. I would probably recommend downloading Microsoft's Virtual PC and installing FC 7 onto that. Here is the home page for VPC 2007: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/default.mspx The VMware image is already configured for you. You can even have both VMware and VPC installed at the same time if you want to try both. As for download speed, you can only go as fast as the slowest link. So most likely the server you were downloading from was over burdened or it may be capping download speeds. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Tina, You could always install VMware player and load the fedora 7 VMware image found here: http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/ Note that the image is 971MB. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Jim, Well, you are more help than you think. Yes, Fedora-8 is out of beta, and I did download it, too, but the class is using Fedora-7, so that's what I'm trying to work with. As an assignment at the end of lesson 1, we were to got get our Fedora-7 and burn to DVD and/or CD, depending on whether we got the whole distro or the Live Spin. I got both, in both Fedora-7 and Fedora-8. Unbelievably long downloads - another mystery for me, there, since I have a high-speed wireless broadband connection of 11 Mbps, yet the download was going at speeds around 8-9 Kbps, but that is for another time - each of these efforts took about 12 hours. So, I have the DVD and CD for each of these two Fedora versions - all the files properly burned from the ISO. If I build a partition on my USB external drive and install Fedora-7 on it, maybe that way I can finally get this thing going. Thank you for the reassurance that it should work. I may come back and visit with you about the dual-booting option my instructor suggested. I just don't want to damage my Windows XP laptop, which is my main computer. (Yes, I do back things up, but still. . . .) I need to know about this stuff, so I'm not giving up. Thanks for your response. I'll most likely be back for more help. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic features > that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil is in the > details comes to mind) > > I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an Oracle > Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which really is > Debian with a pretty interface). > > To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or sudo > and at that time you should be prompted for the root user username and > password. I do not know why the install did not prompt you for root password > and there is usually a request for partitioning of the remaining drive > home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do that but I am not familiar > with the differences related to Fedora. (Is not Fedora 8 out of beta?) > > Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines and will > not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split between Linux and > Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed me to select how much of > the left space to use. Installed easily and sees the Windows > partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. > > I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some > computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. > > You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB memory > card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file on a Windows > drive for particulars. > > Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with either > Fedora or VMWare. > > HTH > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Mar 21 17:13:32 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:13:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> Message-ID: <254D2550083343DFA0F5672910E95D77@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thanks for the info Bobby. I did not know of that site. This is a very handy link. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Tina, You could always install VMware player and load the fedora 7 VMware image found here: http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/ Note that the image is 971MB. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Jim, Well, you are more help than you think. Yes, Fedora-8 is out of beta, and I did download it, too, but the class is using Fedora-7, so that's what I'm trying to work with. As an assignment at the end of lesson 1, we were to got get our Fedora-7 and burn to DVD and/or CD, depending on whether we got the whole distro or the Live Spin. I got both, in both Fedora-7 and Fedora-8. Unbelievably long downloads - another mystery for me, there, since I have a high-speed wireless broadband connection of 11 Mbps, yet the download was going at speeds around 8-9 Kbps, but that is for another time - each of these efforts took about 12 hours. So, I have the DVD and CD for each of these two Fedora versions - all the files properly burned from the ISO. If I build a partition on my USB external drive and install Fedora-7 on it, maybe that way I can finally get this thing going. Thank you for the reassurance that it should work. I may come back and visit with you about the dual-booting option my instructor suggested. I just don't want to damage my Windows XP laptop, which is my main computer. (Yes, I do back things up, but still. . . .) I need to know about this stuff, so I'm not giving up. Thanks for your response. I'll most likely be back for more help. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Each Linux distro is different from the others. There are basic features > that are similar but specifics can cause problems. (the devil is in the > details comes to mind) > > I have familiarity with Vector, Susi, Debian, Unbreakable-Linux (an Oracle > Redhat ripoff) and my definite favourite Ubuntu Linux (which really is > Debian with a pretty interface). > > To get to the root user just go to the command prompt and enter su or sudo > and at that time you should be prompted for the root user username and > password. I do not know why the install did not prompt you for root password > and there is usually a request for partitioning of the remaining drive > home/main/swap. Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu do that but I am not familiar > with the differences related to Fedora. (Is not Fedora 8 out of beta?) > > Both Unbreakable and Ubuntu are very friendly with Windows machines and will > not over-write any of the OS files. My laptop is split between Linux and > Windows and when the Linux was installed it allowed me to select how much of > the left space to use. Installed easily and sees the Windows > partition/file/printers/blue tooth wireless etc without any problem. > > I am not familiar with VMWare as I have either installed Linux on some > computer fully, partitioned or through a Windows Virtual Server. > > You should be able to install Fedora on a USB drive maybe even an 8GB memory > card. Ubuntu ISO can run off the DVD and only requires a file on a Windows > drive for particulars. > > Sorry I could not be more helpful but I have had no experience with either > Fedora or VMWare. > > HTH > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Fri Mar 21 17:07:27 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:07:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> Ok, one more time. I just found Tina's original post. Sorry for my prior replies clogging up the list. 1) To change the root password, at a console type 'passwd root' (without quotes) and press enter. I think it will then ask you for the new password. I think you can change passwords in the menu from System Settings. 2) Not that I know of. 3) I do not know. Bobby From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Mar 22 08:34:08 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:34:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> Hi Bobby, Actually, you've been very helpful. I did download the Microsoft Virtual PC as you suggested. I can tell you that it was a lot easier to set up than either the VMware Player or Server was. Somehow, my Fedora-7 DVD ISO got hosed during all my fooling around (I know better than to use my original, I always make a copy first - except this time - dang!), so I played with the Fedora-8 DVD ISO. Mostly that worked, except there is something going goofy with my display. Using the "text" setup method, I got all the way through the Fedora-8 installation in my MS Virtual PC. Everything said OK. Yay! Then, I tried to start the virtual machine, and it goes fine up to a point where suddenly the display changes from white text on black background, first to a green background, then to a scrambled image with impossible-to-make-out text. Faintly, in the background, I can see that one thing failed, but because of the garbled image I can not make out what it is that failed. With any luck, there will be a log file somewhere that I can check through. I've found another good link for downloading the Fedora-7 DVD ISO file - from Oregon State University's Open Source Lab - and am downloading a fresh copy at this very moment. It is moving considerably faster than the last time - could be because this is Saturday morning and there may be less traffic. I will keep you all apprised of my progress. I have to learn this stuff! And it's fun. If I weren't so pressed for time to get it accomplished, the several stutter starts and stops wouldn't bother me much. I learn every bit as much from the failures as I do from the successes, sometimes even more. Thanks for all your help, Tina Bobby Heid wrote: > Ok, one more time. I just found Tina's original post. Sorry for my prior > replies clogging up the list. > > 1) To change the root password, at a console type 'passwd root' (without > quotes) and press enter. I think it will then ask you for the new password. > I think you can change passwords in the menu from System Settings. > > 2) Not that I know of. > > 3) I do not know. > > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 22 08:39:56 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:39:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com><000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000e01c88c22$379ef480$0201a8c0@M90> And the Linux gurus wonder why nobody wants to get involved with Linux. Sheesh. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Bobby, Actually, you've been very helpful. I did download the Microsoft Virtual PC as you suggested. I can tell you that it was a lot easier to set up than either the VMware Player or Server was. Somehow, my Fedora-7 DVD ISO got hosed during all my fooling around (I know better than to use my original, I always make a copy first - except this time - dang!), so I played with the Fedora-8 DVD ISO. Mostly that worked, except there is something going goofy with my display. Using the "text" setup method, I got all the way through the Fedora-8 installation in my MS Virtual PC. Everything said OK. Yay! Then, I tried to start the virtual machine, and it goes fine up to a point where suddenly the display changes from white text on black background, first to a green background, then to a scrambled image with impossible-to-make-out text. Faintly, in the background, I can see that one thing failed, but because of the garbled image I can not make out what it is that failed. With any luck, there will be a log file somewhere that I can check through. I've found another good link for downloading the Fedora-7 DVD ISO file - from Oregon State University's Open Source Lab - and am downloading a fresh copy at this very moment. It is moving considerably faster than the last time - could be because this is Saturday morning and there may be less traffic. I will keep you all apprised of my progress. I have to learn this stuff! And it's fun. If I weren't so pressed for time to get it accomplished, the several stutter starts and stops wouldn't bother me much. I learn every bit as much from the failures as I do from the successes, sometimes even more. Thanks for all your help, Tina Bobby Heid wrote: > Ok, one more time. I just found Tina's original post. Sorry for my > prior replies clogging up the list. > > 1) To change the root password, at a console type 'passwd root' > (without > quotes) and press enter. I think it will then ask you for the new password. > I think you can change passwords in the menu from System Settings. > > 2) Not that I know of. > > 3) I do not know. > > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Mar 22 09:18:33 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:18:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <000e01c88c22$379ef480$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com><000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com><47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> <000e01c88c22$379ef480$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47E51539.2080904@torchlake.com> Ah John, always the optimist with the "bon mot"! Of course, if we were setting up Windows from scratch, we would be having similar issues. I suppose it is a good thing, though, to get down this much closer to the foundations of an OS and learn what really goes on. I need to know this stuff, so I will learn it. Then, I'll trade you knowledge for knowledge. Every time you describe a new setup with virtual machines inside virtual machines processing millions of records in seconds, or you craft some brilliant solution to a database problem, I quietly salute you and dream of the day when I know what you know. It tickles me silly on the odd occasion when I know something you don't and I get to share it with you. You and the other genius gurus on this list are my heroes. Tina jwcolby wrote: > And the Linux gurus wonder why nobody wants to get involved with Linux. > Sheesh. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 22 09:33:32 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:33:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E51539.2080904@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com><000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com><000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com><47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com><000e01c88c22$379ef480$0201a8c0@M90> <47E51539.2080904@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001001c88c29$b51bb9a0$0201a8c0@M90> ROTFLMAO. Genius and experience are two entirely different things. At 53 years old I have a lot of experience and so can do stuff (in my area of expertise) fast enough that it perhaps APPEARS to be genius. 'Tis not I assure you. What I have discovered however is that one does not have to be a genius to make a contribution, which is lucky for me. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Ah John, always the optimist with the "bon mot"! Of course, if we were setting up Windows from scratch, we would be having similar issues. I suppose it is a good thing, though, to get down this much closer to the foundations of an OS and learn what really goes on. I need to know this stuff, so I will learn it. Then, I'll trade you knowledge for knowledge. Every time you describe a new setup with virtual machines inside virtual machines processing millions of records in seconds, or you craft some brilliant solution to a database problem, I quietly salute you and dream of the day when I know what you know. It tickles me silly on the odd occasion when I know something you don't and I get to share it with you. You and the other genius gurus on this list are my heroes. Tina jwcolby wrote: > And the Linux gurus wonder why nobody wants to get involved with Linux. > Sheesh. > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 22 09:52:01 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:52:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803202034q78c14d95jbc84a24f85d4f0ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> <29f585dd0803202034q78c14d95jbc84a24f85d4f0ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c88c2c$49a15a60$0201a8c0@M90> Well, the unfortunate part is that whether you get lightning response is largely determined by the route through the internet. Of course that route changes depending on where you are located. IOW to get to New York (for example) your route is entirely different than mine. I am routed down to Atlanta, then up the east coast. The physical fibers (and the companies that maintain them) are entirely different from yours. The other day I did tracert and saw just fine hop times until I hit WVFiber.net at which point it slowed to a crawl. Literally dropping from 8 or 10 or 14 milliseconds per hop to hundreds of milliseconds per hop. The end result is that DEPENDING on WHERE I am trying to connect to (what route has to be taken) I get stellar performance or abysmal performance. Same day, same time, just different destinations, and thus different routings to get there. The other day ATT was doing this same thing. 150 milliseconds PER HOP and I had to take 4 or 5 or 6 hopps on ATT lines to get to places like Microsoft.com or MSNBC.com. So FOR ME, trying to get stuff off of Microsoft was horridly slow. However if I tried to browse www.extremetech.com the pages popped up before I clicked the hotlink. OK, not quite but you get the point. It turns out that my ROUTE to Extremetech is over fast hops the whole way. Just the luck of the draw. Today OTOH, ATT is giving me about 90 ms / hop. Not stellar but certainly way better than 150 ms / hop. For me to get to MSNBC for example I have to go through 8 hops JUST on ATT. The difference between 15 ms / hop and 150 ms / hop, multiplied by 8 hops across ATT translates to abysmal browsing performance. So in fact it does not appear to be my ISP at all. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? I definitely think that it is your ISP at fault, not the net. I'm getting lightning response and have been all day long. This is a cable connection here, and its response has always been stellar. Once in a long while, a thunderstorm has caused problems but they cleared that up pretty quickly. A. On 3/20/08, jwcolby wrote: > > This is getting irritating. I am paying money for high speed and some > fiber company between here and there is providing pitiful service. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Mar 22 10:48:54 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:48:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <24173C24F7E14EC5A16C730C14C642D0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tina: Sounds like or should I say looks like the video setup was incompatible with your laptop. That was one of the standard problems with older versions of Linux. The newer version should not have issues but I have heard of nothing about Fedora good or bad for years. Is your laptop 32 or 64 bit? Try googling your problem... I am always amazed how much is out there and if you had a problem some else probably did... HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Bobby, Actually, you've been very helpful. I did download the Microsoft Virtual PC as you suggested. I can tell you that it was a lot easier to set up than either the VMware Player or Server was. Somehow, my Fedora-7 DVD ISO got hosed during all my fooling around (I know better than to use my original, I always make a copy first - except this time - dang!), so I played with the Fedora-8 DVD ISO. Mostly that worked, except there is something going goofy with my display. Using the "text" setup method, I got all the way through the Fedora-8 installation in my MS Virtual PC. Everything said OK. Yay! Then, I tried to start the virtual machine, and it goes fine up to a point where suddenly the display changes from white text on black background, first to a green background, then to a scrambled image with impossible-to-make-out text. Faintly, in the background, I can see that one thing failed, but because of the garbled image I can not make out what it is that failed. With any luck, there will be a log file somewhere that I can check through. I've found another good link for downloading the Fedora-7 DVD ISO file - from Oregon State University's Open Source Lab - and am downloading a fresh copy at this very moment. It is moving considerably faster than the last time - could be because this is Saturday morning and there may be less traffic. I will keep you all apprised of my progress. I have to learn this stuff! And it's fun. If I weren't so pressed for time to get it accomplished, the several stutter starts and stops wouldn't bother me much. I learn every bit as much from the failures as I do from the successes, sometimes even more. Thanks for all your help, Tina Bobby Heid wrote: > Ok, one more time. I just found Tina's original post. Sorry for my prior > replies clogging up the list. > > 1) To change the root password, at a console type 'passwd root' (without > quotes) and press enter. I think it will then ask you for the new password. > I think you can change passwords in the menu from System Settings. > > 2) Not that I know of. > > 3) I do not know. > > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 10:44:20 2008 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] To 86 Message-ID: <29f585dd0803220844k60ff65cfpc5d18ebe3a440f02@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know where this term came from? It's a verb, and it means "to destroy", or "to file in the circular bin", etc. It came from the film biz, that's all I know. It indicates that the 86-ed scene will not be shot, or if it was shot, it will be discarded. I have googled several etymology sites without success. TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Mar 22 10:53:57 2008 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:53:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? In-Reply-To: <001101c88c2c$49a15a60$0201a8c0@M90> References: <000001c88afd$a36a22a0$0201a8c0@M90> <29f585dd0803202034q78c14d95jbc84a24f85d4f0ca@mail.gmail.com> <001101c88c2c$49a15a60$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: There use to be a site out there that would show the over-all performance of the world internet. It was free then. I wonder if there is an equivalent out there? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? Well, the unfortunate part is that whether you get lightning response is largely determined by the route through the internet. Of course that route changes depending on where you are located. IOW to get to New York (for example) your route is entirely different than mine. I am routed down to Atlanta, then up the east coast. The physical fibers (and the companies that maintain them) are entirely different from yours. The other day I did tracert and saw just fine hop times until I hit WVFiber.net at which point it slowed to a crawl. Literally dropping from 8 or 10 or 14 milliseconds per hop to hundreds of milliseconds per hop. The end result is that DEPENDING on WHERE I am trying to connect to (what route has to be taken) I get stellar performance or abysmal performance. Same day, same time, just different destinations, and thus different routings to get there. The other day ATT was doing this same thing. 150 milliseconds PER HOP and I had to take 4 or 5 or 6 hopps on ATT lines to get to places like Microsoft.com or MSNBC.com. So FOR ME, trying to get stuff off of Microsoft was horridly slow. However if I tried to browse www.extremetech.com the pages popped up before I clicked the hotlink. OK, not quite but you get the point. It turns out that my ROUTE to Extremetech is over fast hops the whole way. Just the luck of the draw. Today OTOH, ATT is giving me about 90 ms / hop. Not stellar but certainly way better than 150 ms / hop. For me to get to MSNBC for example I have to go through 8 hops JUST on ATT. The difference between 15 ms / hop and 150 ms / hop, multiplied by 8 hops across ATT translates to abysmal browsing performance. So in fact it does not appear to be my ISP at all. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is anyone (in the us) seeing slooooooowwwwwwinternet? I definitely think that it is your ISP at fault, not the net. I'm getting lightning response and have been all day long. This is a cable connection here, and its response has always been stellar. Once in a long while, a thunderstorm has caused problems but they cleared that up pretty quickly. A. On 3/20/08, jwcolby wrote: > > This is getting irritating. I am paying money for high speed and some > fiber company between here and there is providing pitiful service. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From drboz at pacbell.net Sat Mar 22 11:37:12 2008 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:37:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] To 86 References: <29f585dd0803220844k60ff65cfpc5d18ebe3a440f02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c88c3a$fb1f8d80$6501a8c0@Don> I think it originated in the "bar" business. Meaning that the bartender stopped serving alcohol to an individual or group. 86 were the last two digits of the law that made it illegal to serve more alcohol to someone who was drunk. The basic meaning that I understand for 86'd is that you have been cut off. Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] To 86 > Does anyone know where this term came from? It's a verb, and it means "to > destroy", or "to file in the circular bin", etc. It came from the film > biz, > that's all I know. It indicates that the 86-ed scene will not be shot, or > if > it was shot, it will be discarded. I have googled several etymology sites > without success. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Mar 22 11:45:49 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:45:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] To 86 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0803220844k60ff65cfpc5d18ebe3a440f02@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0803220844k60ff65cfpc5d18ebe3a440f02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01c88c3c$2f703bb0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Try this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=86 Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] To 86 Does anyone know where this term came from? It's a verb, and it means "to destroy", or "to file in the circular bin", etc. It came from the film biz, that's all I know. It indicates that the 86-ed scene will not be shot, or if it was shot, it will be discarded. I have googled several etymology sites without success. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 3/21/2008 5:52 PM From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Mar 22 13:04:10 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:04:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <24173C24F7E14EC5A16C730C14C642D0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> <24173C24F7E14EC5A16C730C14C642D0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <47E54A1A.5090109@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 9400, 32-bit, Intel duo core processors T2300 1.66GHz. The Screen is ATI Mobility Radeon X1400. I will do as you suggest and Google the matter. I heard that there could sometimes be video issues, but I wasn't listening closely. Now, I need to do that. Thanks. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Sounds like or should I say looks like the video setup was incompatible with > your laptop. That was one of the standard problems with older versions of > Linux. The newer version should not have issues but I have heard of nothing > about Fedora good or bad for years. Is your laptop 32 or 64 bit? > > Try googling your problem... I am always amazed how much is out there and if > you had a problem some else probably did... > > HTH > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress > > Hi Bobby, > > Actually, you've been very helpful. I did download the Microsoft > Virtual PC as you suggested. I can tell you that it was a lot easier to > set up than either the VMware Player or Server was. Somehow, my > Fedora-7 DVD ISO got hosed during all my fooling around (I know better > than to use my original, I always make a copy first - except this time - > dang!), so I played with the Fedora-8 DVD ISO. Mostly that worked, > except there is something going goofy with my display. Using the "text" > setup method, I got all the way through the Fedora-8 installation in my > MS Virtual PC. Everything said OK. Yay! Then, I tried to start the > virtual machine, and it goes fine up to a point where suddenly the > display changes from white text on black background, first to a green > background, then to a scrambled image with impossible-to-make-out text. > Faintly, in the background, I can see that one thing failed, but because > of the garbled image I can not make out what it is that failed. With > any luck, there will be a log file somewhere that I can check through. > > I've found another good link for downloading the Fedora-7 DVD ISO file - > from Oregon State University's Open Source Lab - and am downloading a > fresh copy at this very moment. It is moving considerably faster than > the last time - could be because this is Saturday morning and there may > be less traffic. I will keep you all apprised of my progress. I have > to learn this stuff! And it's fun. If I weren't so pressed for time to > get it accomplished, the several stutter starts and stops wouldn't > bother me much. I learn every bit as much from the failures as I do > from the successes, sometimes even more. > > Thanks for all your help, > Tina > > Bobby Heid wrote: > >> Ok, one more time. I just found Tina's original post. Sorry for my prior >> replies clogging up the list. >> >> 1) To change the root password, at a console type 'passwd root' (without >> quotes) and press enter. I think it will then ask you for the new >> > password. > >> I think you can change passwords in the menu from System Settings. >> >> 2) Not that I know of. >> >> 3) I do not know. >> >> Bobby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:15:18 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:15:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel charts -- save me Message-ID: <028501c88c51$213d6350$4b3a8343@SusanOne> I need someone to help me with an article on Excel charts, aimed at IT professionals/departments. I'll write it, I just need someone with IT experience to come up with example worksheets/charts. I need several of them, and it's Okay to use the same data -- but the charts do need to be appropriately used given the data and the chart's purpose -- no forcing data into a strange format -- it has to make sense. Share byline and fee for charts... :) Susan H. From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Mar 22 14:46:02 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:46:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress In-Reply-To: <47E54A1A.5090109@torchlake.com> References: <47E3B50A.2070103@torchlake.com> <47E411F2.7060801@torchlake.com> <000801c88b9b$fbcb1000$f3613000$@rr.com> <000901c88b9e$4a6dc2a0$df4947e0$@rr.com> <000a01c88b9f$f36088b0$da219a10$@rr.com> <47E50AD0.3000808@torchlake.com> <24173C24F7E14EC5A16C730C14C642D0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <47E54A1A.5090109@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001301c88c55$5c905210$15b0f630$@rr.com> Tina, When installing to VPC or VMware (which, by the way, you can only load VMware image in, you have to have workstation or server to create a VM), the VM emulates the graphics card. So it really should not matter what the host graphics card is. If you have the time, I would recommend downloading the FC7 VMware image (linked to earlier) and see if you can open it properly in the VMware player. It might have just been something that you selected during the install. I purchased VMware workstation because I prefer it over VPC. One thing is that VMware supports USB devices other than a mouse and keyboard. Plus, I find it more configurable. But you can't beat the price of VPC. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux Newbie in Distress Hi Jim, My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 9400, 32-bit, Intel duo core processors T2300 1.66GHz. The Screen is ATI Mobility Radeon X1400. I will do as you suggest and Google the matter. I heard that there could sometimes be video issues, but I wasn't listening closely. Now, I need to do that. Thanks. Tina Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Sounds like or should I say looks like the video setup was incompatible with > your laptop. That was one of the standard problems with older versions of > Linux. The newer version should not have issues but I have heard of nothing > about Fedora good or bad for years. Is your laptop 32 or 64 bit? > > Try googling your problem... I am always amazed how much is out there and if > you had a problem some else probably did... > > HTH > Jim From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 24 11:14:39 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:14:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Using both NICS Message-ID: <003301c88dca$29fa0320$0201a8c0@M90> I have two Server 2003 machines which run SQL Server 2005. I have these large databases (100-250 gig files) which I need to ship back and forth between the two servers. It literally takes hours to send these files between these two machines over gigabit NICS and a gigabit switch. The motherboards in these machines have dual NICs. Is there any way to tell SQL Server 2003 to use both NICS to send data out of the machine, and to receive data into the machine. IOW can I cut my time in 1/2 somehow by using both NICs simultaneously? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Mar 24 14:31:28 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:31:28 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Using both NICS In-Reply-To: <003301c88dca$29fa0320$0201a8c0@M90> References: <003301c88dca$29fa0320$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <002101c88de5$a8042410$0400a8c0@jt2c> Yes. I'm using both NICs on my desktop. You can either run them as two NICs at 100mb each, or bridge them. Mine gives 1gb when I do that. We've done the same on the servers at work, which are 2000 and 2003. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 24 March 2008 16:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Using both NICS I have two Server 2003 machines which run SQL Server 2005. I have these large databases (100-250 gig files) which I need to ship back and forth between the two servers. It literally takes hours to send these files between these two machines over gigabit NICS and a gigabit switch. The motherboards in these machines have dual NICs. Is there any way to tell SQL Server 2003 to use both NICS to send data out of the machine, and to receive data into the machine. IOW can I cut my time in 1/2 somehow by using both NICs simultaneously? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Mar 24 14:55:26 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:55:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Using both NICS Message-ID: Hi John I don't think so, but some NICs have four ports which you can run in parallel (trunc) _if_ the switch allows. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-03-2008 17:14 >>> I have two Server 2003 machines which run SQL Server 2005. I have these large databases (100-250 gig files) which I need to ship back and forth between the two servers. It literally takes hours to send these files between these two machines over gigabit NICS and a gigabit switch. The motherboards in these machines have dual NICs. Is there any way to tell SQL Server 2003 to use both NICS to send data out of the machine, and to receive data into the machine. IOW can I cut my time in 1/2 somehow by using both NICs simultaneously? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 15:22:29 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:22:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Statistical Data Analyst sites Message-ID: <001601c88f7f$1f20f010$4b3a8343@SusanOne> A reader, who's a Statistical Data Analyst is looking for sites with lots of information on SQL/SAS/EXCEL programming. Any recommendations? Susan H. From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Mar 26 15:34:59 2008 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Statistical Data Analyst sites In-Reply-To: <001601c88f7f$1f20f010$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <001601c88f7f$1f20f010$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Do they use SPSS? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Susan Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:22 PM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Statistical Data Analyst sites > > A reader, who's a Statistical Data Analyst is looking for > sites with lots of information on SQL/SAS/EXCEL programming. > Any recommendations? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 15:41:29 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:41:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Statistical Data Analyst sites References: <001601c88f7f$1f20f010$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <005001c88f81$c7a7df80$4b3a8343@SusanOne> No. Susan H. > Do they use SPSS? > >> A reader, who's a Statistical Data Analyst is looking for >> sites with lots of information on SQL/SAS/EXCEL programming. >> Any recommendations? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 26 19:12:19 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:12:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Message-ID: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Mar 26 19:23:47 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:23:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email In-Reply-To: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <006301c88fa0$d32c3c10$7984b430$@rr.com> Have you tried cutting and pasting? I'm not sure whether HTML or rich text format (for the email) would be best. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:12 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 26 21:10:46 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email In-Reply-To: <006301c88fa0$d32c3c10$7984b430$@rr.com> References: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <006301c88fa0$d32c3c10$7984b430$@rr.com> Message-ID: <025501c88faf$c571fdd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Well there's this real nice logo and a "For Immediate Release" graphic of text box or something - it's in the header of the doc so when you select all, it doesn't get selected. I was thinking about maybe printing to a pdf and using Irfan to convert to a jpg but that seems a bit awkward. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Have you tried cutting and pasting? I'm not sure whether HTML or rich text format (for the email) would be best. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:12 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM From joeo at appoli.com Wed Mar 26 22:06:21 2008 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:06:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email In-Reply-To: <025501c88faf$c571fdd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005><006301c88fa0$d32c3c10$7984b430$@rr.com> <025501c88faf$c571fdd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky, Did you try File, Send To, Mail Recepient? Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Well there's this real nice logo and a "For Immediate Release" graphic of text box or something - it's in the header of the doc so when you select all, it doesn't get selected. I was thinking about maybe printing to a pdf and using Irfan to convert to a jpg but that seems a bit awkward. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Have you tried cutting and pasting? I'm not sure whether HTML or rich text format (for the email) would be best. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:12 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Mar 26 22:42:19 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:42:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email In-Reply-To: References: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005><006301c88fa0$d32c3c10$7984b430$@rr.com><025501c88faf$c571fdd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <027c01c88fbc$8ed20010$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Just tried it. Almost. But no header graphics - just the text. I'm going to try moving the graphics out of the header and see if I can make an email that looks like the doc. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Rocky, Did you try File, Send To, Mail Recepient? Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Well there's this real nice logo and a "For Immediate Release" graphic of text box or something - it's in the header of the doc so when you select all, it doesn't get selected. I was thinking about maybe printing to a pdf and using Irfan to convert to a jpg but that seems a bit awkward. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:24 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Have you tried cutting and pasting? I'm not sure whether HTML or rich text format (for the email) would be best. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:12 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1345 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 6:50 PM From adtp at airtelmail.in Wed Mar 26 23:46:42 2008 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:16:42 +0530 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email References: <024101c88f9f$38ff8120$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002001c88fc5$b3a01040$6057a27a@personald6374f> Rocky, My sample db named Report_SendInMailBody might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D. You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs. Brief description is given below. Best wishes, A.D.Tejpal ------------ Report_SendInMailBody (Sample Db) Brief Description ============================ (a) This sample db demonstrates sending an access report by placing it in the body of eMail message. (b) Though sending a report as an attachment, using DoCmd.SendObject command is pretty straightforward, including it in the body of eMail itself, requires some extra measures. (c) Word and Outlook objects are used in this approach and should therefore be available on sender's computer. (d) It should also be ensured that Word is the default editor for Outlook. (click Tools > Options > Mail Format, make sure that check box labeled "Use Microsoft Word to edit e-mail messages" is in selected state). Note: Each time Outlook is used for sending messages programmatically, the user is required to clear a warning message (informing that some program is trying to send a message through Outlook). If manual intervention in this regard is to be circumvented, third party utility like ClickYes could be used. Version - Access 2000 File Format References: Outlook Object Library Word Object Library ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software To: List Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 05:42 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Doc in an Email Dear List: I have a nice press release from Apress on my book - nicely laid out with with their header. It's in a word doc and I'd like to insert the whole thing as it appears in an email instead of sending it as an attachment which may get blocked or not read. How best to do that? MTIA, Rocky From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Mar 27 10:54:48 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:54:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Message-ID: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com> Hi All, Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question but involves Access. The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces that definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the database, to use only the features the client actually uses and wants, to restore the switchboard interface the client likes, and then split the sucker into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here is the puzzle: client uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB external drive. Is this do-able? What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual machine to run another version of Office. Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? Thanks, Tina From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 11:09:08 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:09:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90> Tina, The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. IIWM, I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you need not only office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other apps that you use all the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta haves", then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K on another copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small but still probably at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, buy a small laptop hard drive and an external USB driven container to put it in. Place all the VMs on that and carry that around in your briefcase or laptop case. As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The HOST machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. This is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the server software on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and go. You can of course also place the server install package on the disk along with the VMs but then you have to do the VM server software install on any machine that you want to run the VMs on. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi All, Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question but involves Access. The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces that definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the database, to use only the features the client actually uses and wants, to restore the switchboard interface the client likes, and then split the sucker into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here is the puzzle: client uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB external drive. Is this do-able? What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual machine to run another version of Office. Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? Thanks, Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Mar 27 11:51:19 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:51:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com> <000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com> Hey John, Thanks for the reply. It's not a thumb drive, it's a powered 120 GB external hard drive, USB connected to my main computer, which is a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop. Let's see if my thinking is fitting in with what you have just told me. 1) I install the VM Server software on my host machine (already done). 2) I create my VM with WindowsXP Pro as the OS. 3) I install onto my VM the "stuff I gotta have." 4) I copy my VM to provide one each for whatever versions of Office I need. 5) Now, I copy my completed VMs to my external hard drive. 6) Can I then delete the original VMs that I made on my main machine hard drive? For the class I'm taking on Linux, I installed a VM for Fedora-7 on my external hard drive, and it ran. I'm wanting to put as much as possible off on the external drive to keep the main computer as free as possible. So far, the difference in speed hasn't been a real factor. I don't deal in "humungous" databases the way you do. Could happen, some day, though, so I take your advice seriously. Thanks again for the reply. Am I thinking straight, here? Tina jwcolby wrote: > Tina, > > The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. IIWM, > I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you need not only > office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other apps that you use all > the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. > > Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta haves", > then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K on another > copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small but still probably > at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, buy a small laptop hard > drive and an external USB driven container to put it in. Place all the VMs > on that and carry that around in your briefcase or laptop case. > > As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The HOST > machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. This > is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the server software > on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and go. You can of > course also place the server install package on the disk along with the VMs > but then you have to do the VM server software install on any machine that > you want to run the VMs on. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access > > Hi All, > > Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question but > involves Access. > > The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. > That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the table > relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces that definitely > are out of whack. I am going to remodel the database, to use only the > features the client actually uses and wants, to restore the switchboard > interface the client likes, and then split the sucker into a proper BE and > FE. Client agrees. Here is the puzzle: client uses Access97. My machine > is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. > > I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that machine > (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - unbelievable!). I would > like that machine to reside on my USB external drive. Is this do-able? > What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? > > I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. The MS > VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual machine to run > another version of Office. > > Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? > > Thanks, > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 12:23:59 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:23:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> Ahh... Good job, teach me to READ the original post closely. 8-0 Yep, yep and yep. You can make them locally, then copy them to the external drive, and yes, delete the originals on the main machine once they are moved. As long as the host machine has the VM server software installed you can even move them from machine to machine for processing. I have two fairly hefty servers and a laptop. I have installed the server software on all the machines so I can just execute the VMs wherever I need to. External drives are really pretty speedy. Often the USB channel can read / write as fast as the disk so there is no apparent effect of running external. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hey John, Thanks for the reply. It's not a thumb drive, it's a powered 120 GB external hard drive, USB connected to my main computer, which is a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop. Let's see if my thinking is fitting in with what you have just told me. 1) I install the VM Server software on my host machine (already done). 2) I create my VM with WindowsXP Pro as the OS. 3) I install onto my VM the "stuff I gotta have." 4) I copy my VM to provide one each for whatever versions of Office I need. 5) Now, I copy my completed VMs to my external hard drive. 6) Can I then delete the original VMs that I made on my main machine hard drive? For the class I'm taking on Linux, I installed a VM for Fedora-7 on my external hard drive, and it ran. I'm wanting to put as much as possible off on the external drive to keep the main computer as free as possible. So far, the difference in speed hasn't been a real factor. I don't deal in "humungous" databases the way you do. Could happen, some day, though, so I take your advice seriously. Thanks again for the reply. Am I thinking straight, here? Tina jwcolby wrote: > Tina, > > The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. > IIWM, I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you need > not only office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other apps > that you use all the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. > > Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta > haves", then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K > on another copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small > but still probably at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, buy > a small laptop hard drive and an external USB driven container to put > it in. Place all the VMs on that and carry that around in your briefcase or laptop case. > > As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The HOST > machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. > This is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the server > software on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and go. > You can of course also place the server install package on the disk > along with the VMs but then you have to do the VM server software > install on any machine that you want to run the VMs on. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access > > Hi All, > > Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question but > involves Access. > > The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. > That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the > table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces that > definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the database, to > use only the features the client actually uses and wants, to restore > the switchboard interface the client likes, and then split the sucker > into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here is the puzzle: client > uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. > > I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that > machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - > unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB external drive. Is this do-able? > What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? > > I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. > The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual > machine to run another version of Office. > > Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? > > Thanks, > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Mar 27 13:49:02 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:49:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com> <000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com> John, Thanks again for the reply. Now, here comes my VM newbie dumb question. For the Linux machine, I had to download a "Linux appliance." (This was a VMWare Server installation, so a VMWare appliance.) For the Windows VM, I'm using the Microsoft Virtual PC. Where do I go for the appropriate "Windows appliance" (or whatever name it gets in the Microsoft setting)? Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Tina jwcolby wrote: > Ahh... Good job, teach me to READ the original post closely. 8-0 > > Yep, yep and yep. You can make them locally, then copy them to the external > drive, and yes, delete the originals on the main machine once they are > moved. > > As long as the host machine has the VM server software installed you can > even move them from machine to machine for processing. I have two fairly > hefty servers and a laptop. I have installed the server software on all the > machines so I can just execute the VMs wherever I need to. > > External drives are really pretty speedy. Often the USB channel can read / > write as fast as the disk so there is no apparent effect of running > external. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:51 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access > > Hey John, > > Thanks for the reply. It's not a thumb drive, it's a powered 120 GB > external hard drive, USB connected to my main computer, which is a Dell > Inspiron 9400 laptop. > > Let's see if my thinking is fitting in with what you have just told me. > 1) I install the VM Server software on my host machine (already done). > 2) I create my VM with WindowsXP Pro as the OS. > 3) I install onto my VM the "stuff I gotta have." > 4) I copy my VM to provide one each for whatever versions of Office I need. > 5) Now, I copy my completed VMs to my external hard drive. > 6) Can I then delete the original VMs that I made on my main machine hard > drive? > > For the class I'm taking on Linux, I installed a VM for Fedora-7 on my > external hard drive, and it ran. I'm wanting to put as much as possible off > on the external drive to keep the main computer as free as possible. So > far, the difference in speed hasn't been a real factor. I don't deal in > "humungous" databases the way you do. Could happen, some day, though, so I > take your advice seriously. > > Thanks again for the reply. Am I thinking straight, here? > > Tina > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Tina, >> >> The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. >> IIWM, I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you need >> not only office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other apps >> that you use all the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. >> >> Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta >> haves", then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K >> on another copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small >> but still probably at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, buy >> a small laptop hard drive and an external USB driven container to put >> it in. Place all the VMs on that and carry that around in your briefcase >> > or laptop case. > >> As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The HOST >> machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. >> This is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the server >> software on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and go. >> You can of course also place the server install package on the disk >> along with the VMs but then you have to do the VM server software >> install on any machine that you want to run the VMs on. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access >> >> Hi All, >> >> Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question but >> involves Access. >> >> The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. >> That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the >> table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces that >> definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the database, to >> use only the features the client actually uses and wants, to restore >> the switchboard interface the client likes, and then split the sucker >> into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here is the puzzle: client >> uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. >> >> I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that >> machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - >> unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB external >> > drive. Is this do-able? > >> What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? >> >> I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. >> The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual >> machine to run another version of Office. >> >> Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? >> >> Thanks, >> Tina >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 14:29:17 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:29:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> You know what, I do not use the Microsoft VM stuff. There are a couple of reasons, the MS VMs can't see USB ports apparently, and also the disks that you can create and add to the VM are not as flexible from the way I read it. So basically I use the VMWare server. It loads on top of my Windows 2003 Server OS and can run several different VMs at the same time. It can also operate in native 64 bit mode and one of my Windows 2003 servers is running the x64 version. I can't help you at all with the MS version of VMs. You don't have to use them though. In fact the same VM that runs on a Linux VM Server machine can be moved to and run on the VMWare server software running on top of a Windows OS, or so I understand. One of the VERY cool things about the VMWare stuff. The Windows VMs can only run on Windows host OSes. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access John, Thanks again for the reply. Now, here comes my VM newbie dumb question. For the Linux machine, I had to download a "Linux appliance." (This was a VMWare Server installation, so a VMWare appliance.) For the Windows VM, I'm using the Microsoft Virtual PC. Where do I go for the appropriate "Windows appliance" (or whatever name it gets in the Microsoft setting)? Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Tina jwcolby wrote: > Ahh... Good job, teach me to READ the original post closely. 8-0 > > Yep, yep and yep. You can make them locally, then copy them to the > external drive, and yes, delete the originals on the main machine once > they are moved. > > As long as the host machine has the VM server software installed you > can even move them from machine to machine for processing. I have two > fairly hefty servers and a laptop. I have installed the server > software on all the machines so I can just execute the VMs wherever I need to. > > External drives are really pretty speedy. Often the USB channel can > read / write as fast as the disk so there is no apparent effect of > running external. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:51 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access > > Hey John, > > Thanks for the reply. It's not a thumb drive, it's a powered 120 GB > external hard drive, USB connected to my main computer, which is a > Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop. > > Let's see if my thinking is fitting in with what you have just told me. > 1) I install the VM Server software on my host machine (already done). > 2) I create my VM with WindowsXP Pro as the OS. > 3) I install onto my VM the "stuff I gotta have." > 4) I copy my VM to provide one each for whatever versions of Office I need. > 5) Now, I copy my completed VMs to my external hard drive. > 6) Can I then delete the original VMs that I made on my main machine > hard drive? > > For the class I'm taking on Linux, I installed a VM for Fedora-7 on my > external hard drive, and it ran. I'm wanting to put as much as > possible off on the external drive to keep the main computer as free > as possible. So far, the difference in speed hasn't been a real > factor. I don't deal in "humungous" databases the way you do. Could > happen, some day, though, so I take your advice seriously. > > Thanks again for the reply. Am I thinking straight, here? > > Tina > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Tina, >> >> The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. >> IIWM, I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you >> need not only office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other >> apps that you use all the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. >> >> Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta >> haves", then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K >> on another copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small >> but still probably at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, >> buy a small laptop hard drive and an external USB driven container to >> put it in. Place all the VMs on that and carry that around in your >> briefcase >> > or laptop case. > >> As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The >> HOST machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. >> This is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the >> server software on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and go. >> You can of course also place the server install package on the disk >> along with the VMs but then you have to do the VM server software >> install on any machine that you want to run the VMs on. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access >> >> Hi All, >> >> Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question >> but involves Access. >> >> The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. >> That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the >> table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces >> that definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the >> database, to use only the features the client actually uses and >> wants, to restore the switchboard interface the client likes, and >> then split the sucker into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here >> is the puzzle: client uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office 2003. >> >> I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that >> machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - >> unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB >> external >> > drive. Is this do-able? > >> What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? >> >> I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. >> The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual >> machine to run another version of Office. >> >> Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? >> >> Thanks, >> Tina >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 14:47:53 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:47:53 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>,<000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. To answer your question I think? You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Mar 27 15:13:23 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:13:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587 e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com> <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47EBFFE3.2000000@torchlake.com> Thanks for trying, anyway. I may put a new VM in the WMWare Server, too, and talk more with you about it. Tina jwcolby wrote: > You know what, I do not use the Microsoft VM stuff. There are a couple of > reasons, the MS VMs can't see USB ports apparently, and also the disks that > you can create and add to the VM are not as flexible from the way I read it. > So basically I use the VMWare server. It loads on top of my Windows 2003 > Server OS and can run several different VMs at the same time. It can also > operate in native 64 bit mode and one of my Windows 2003 servers is running > the x64 version. > > I can't help you at all with the MS version of VMs. You don't have to use > them though. In fact the same VM that runs on a Linux VM Server machine can > be moved to and run on the VMWare server software running on top of a > Windows OS, or so I understand. One of the VERY cool things about the > VMWare stuff. The Windows VMs can only run on Windows host OSes. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access > > John, > Thanks again for the reply. > Now, here comes my VM newbie dumb question. > For the Linux machine, I had to download a "Linux appliance." (This was a > VMWare Server installation, so a VMWare appliance.) For the Windows VM, I'm > using the Microsoft Virtual PC. Where do I go for the appropriate "Windows > appliance" (or whatever name it gets in the Microsoft setting)? > Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. > Tina > > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Ahh... Good job, teach me to READ the original post closely. 8-0 >> >> Yep, yep and yep. You can make them locally, then copy them to the >> external drive, and yes, delete the originals on the main machine once >> they are moved. >> >> As long as the host machine has the VM server software installed you >> can even move them from machine to machine for processing. I have two >> fairly hefty servers and a laptop. I have installed the server >> software on all the machines so I can just execute the VMs wherever I need >> > to. > >> External drives are really pretty speedy. Often the USB channel can >> read / write as fast as the disk so there is no apparent effect of >> running external. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:51 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access >> >> Hey John, >> >> Thanks for the reply. It's not a thumb drive, it's a powered 120 GB >> external hard drive, USB connected to my main computer, which is a >> Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop. >> >> Let's see if my thinking is fitting in with what you have just told me. >> 1) I install the VM Server software on my host machine (already done). >> 2) I create my VM with WindowsXP Pro as the OS. >> 3) I install onto my VM the "stuff I gotta have." >> 4) I copy my VM to provide one each for whatever versions of Office I >> > need. > >> 5) Now, I copy my completed VMs to my external hard drive. >> 6) Can I then delete the original VMs that I made on my main machine >> hard drive? >> >> For the class I'm taking on Linux, I installed a VM for Fedora-7 on my >> external hard drive, and it ran. I'm wanting to put as much as >> possible off on the external drive to keep the main computer as free >> as possible. So far, the difference in speed hasn't been a real >> factor. I don't deal in "humungous" databases the way you do. Could >> happen, some day, though, so I take your advice seriously. >> >> Thanks again for the reply. Am I thinking straight, here? >> >> Tina >> >> jwcolby wrote: >> >> >>> Tina, >>> >>> The first question is why the thumb drive? They are small and slow. >>> IIWM, I would do it on a normal external disk. Remember that you >>> need not only office but Windows itself. Plus you likely want other >>> apps that you use all the time such as 3DFTP or UltraEdit or FireFox. >>> >>> Once you have the VM created and all set up with these "also gotta >>> haves", then copy the VM and install Office97 on one copy, Office 2K >>> on another copy, Office 2K3 on another copy etc. They will be small >>> but still probably at least 10 gigs or so each. Having done that, >>> buy a small laptop hard drive and an external USB driven container to >>> put it in. Place all the VMs on that and carry that around in your >>> briefcase >>> >>> >> or laptop case. >> >> >>> As for whether the VMs will run over a usb, AFAIK they will. The >>> HOST machine has to have the SERVER software installed to run it however. >>> This is another reason to bring along your laptop. Install the >>> server software on that and then just plug in the disk to your laptop and >>> > go. > >>> You can of course also place the server install package on the disk >>> along with the VMs but then you have to do the VM server software >>> install on any machine that you want to run the VMs on. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >>> Norris Fields >>> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:55 AM >>> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Double-posting, since this is a technical virtual machine question >>> but involves Access. >>> >>> The database I wrote about that got corrupted has been mostly repaired. >>> That is to say the tables are intact, all the data are there, and the >>> table relationships are good. However, there are bits and pieces >>> that definitely are out of whack. I am going to remodel the >>> database, to use only the features the client actually uses and >>> wants, to restore the switchboard interface the client likes, and >>> then split the sucker into a proper BE and FE. Client agrees. Here >>> is the puzzle: client uses Access97. My machine is WinXP Pro with Office >>> > 2003. > >>> I would like to install a virtual machine and run Office 97 in that >>> machine (yes, I still have a licensed copy on the shelf - >>> unbelievable!). I would like that machine to reside on my USB >>> external >>> >>> >> drive. Is this do-able? >> >> >>> What are the gotchas I need to watch out for? >>> >>> I have Microsoft's VirtualPC installed as well as VMWare's Server. >>> The MS VirtualPC seems the better candidate for making a virtual >>> machine to run another version of Office. >>> >>> Suggestions? Ideas? Watch-out fors? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tina >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Mar 27 15:24:05 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:24:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 15:35:29 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:35:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> The whole "buy a version of windows to run on your already running version of windows" is a little lame. OTOH if you are a linux guru you can run linux on the hardware (server) and then run your XP License on the virtual machine. Do you need a new copy of XP for every virtual machine if you are only running one VM at a time? Hmm... I think they (MS) are trying to handle the instance of companies running 5 virtual machines AT THE SAME TIME on a single server. Obviously you need a new license of Windows for each VM in that case. It is not so obvious in your case. If you are a developer, you would be well advised to get the action pack which gives you 10 copies of the various Oss anyway, then you have plenty to go around. Of course that also costs a cool $300 per year. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 15:43:24 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:43:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>,<000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: John Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS licensing when I get back to work. We will be running development platforms for each developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office 2007/VS 2005 and SQL Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. The theory as I understand it is that you do need a licence for each OS running in a VM and that applies to Office etc as well. I will get a better picture of what they expect once I get back to work. I think its just like having another physical machine sitting beside you and they would expect licences for that. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 20:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access The whole "buy a version of windows to run on your already running version of windows" is a little lame. OTOH if you are a linux guru you can run linux on the hardware (server) and then run your XP License on the virtual machine. Do you need a new copy of XP for every virtual machine if you are only running one VM at a time? Hmm... I think they (MS) are trying to handle the instance of companies running 5 virtual machines AT THE SAME TIME on a single server. Obviously you need a new license of Windows for each VM in that case. It is not so obvious in your case. If you are a developer, you would be well advised to get the action pack which gives you 10 copies of the various Oss anyway, then you have plenty to go around. Of course that also costs a cool $300 per year. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 15:53:21 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:53:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90> <47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90> , <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina I believe there is a way to clone a hard drive to a Virtual Machine. I have never done it I just reinstalled from disc and then updated the OS using Windows update. This link looks at it http://kbalertz.com/912826/create-Virtual-image-using-backup-image.aspx I know how you feel re the rabbit hole. Took me all week to set up a Windows Server and SharePoint VM. I have done basic virtual pcs before for Office versions and once you have them set up and running they are great. I now have multiple VMs available depending on what I want to do. If I trash one which I am sure to do with the SharePoint stuff I just reload a copy I have made. As long as you have tons of RAM they are a great tool. Anything I can help with just shout. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields [tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 20:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 16:05:28 2008 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:05:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <002d01c8904e$4d534210$4b3a8343@SusanOne> What is MOSS? Susan H. > John > > Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS licensing > when I get back to work. We will be running development platforms for each > developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office 2007/VS 2005 and SQL > Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 16:12:57 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:12:57 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <002d01c8904e$4d534210$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> , <002d01c8904e$4d534210$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. Its the paid for version. Sort of sits on top of Windows SharePoint Services and gives you the Enterprise features. Here s a shameless plug! For those in the Microsoft world this is where its all going to be for the next few years. http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blogs/GetThePoint/default.aspx I am the good looking one second down on the left. VBG Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 21:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access What is MOSS? Susan H. > John > > Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS licensing > when I get back to work. We will be running development platforms for each > developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office 2007/VS 2005 and SQL > Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 16:28:34 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:28:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <000b01c89051$83c6be50$0201a8c0@M90> Which would imply that if a VM isn't running, then you don't need a license for that machine, at that instance. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access John Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS licensing when I get back to work. We will be running development platforms for each developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office 2007/VS 2005 and SQL Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. The theory as I understand it is that you do need a licence for each OS running in a VM and that applies to Office etc as well. I will get a better picture of what they expect once I get back to work. I think its just like having another physical machine sitting beside you and they would expect licences for that. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 20:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access The whole "buy a version of windows to run on your already running version of windows" is a little lame. OTOH if you are a linux guru you can run linux on the hardware (server) and then run your XP License on the virtual machine. Do you need a new copy of XP for every virtual machine if you are only running one VM at a time? Hmm... I think they (MS) are trying to handle the instance of companies running 5 virtual machines AT THE SAME TIME on a single server. Obviously you need a new license of Windows for each VM in that case. It is not so obvious in your case. If you are a developer, you would be well advised to get the action pack which gives you 10 copies of the various Oss anyway, then you have plenty to go around. Of course that also costs a cool $300 per year. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of > Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then > simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 16:30:13 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:30:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90>, <47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <000c01c89051$bec1c5e0$0201a8c0@M90> >As long as you have tons of RAM they are a great tool. This is the reason I like to run the VMs on a 64 bit OS. I can install 8 gigs of ram on my motherboard and use all of it in a 64 bit OS, then use most of that 8 gigs to assign to VMs. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:53 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Tina I believe there is a way to clone a hard drive to a Virtual Machine. I have never done it I just reinstalled from disc and then updated the OS using Windows update. This link looks at it http://kbalertz.com/912826/create-Virtual-image-using-backup-image.aspx I know how you feel re the rabbit hole. Took me all week to set up a Windows Server and SharePoint VM. I have done basic virtual pcs before for Office versions and once you have them set up and running they are great. I now have multiple VMs available depending on what I want to do. If I trash one which I am sure to do with the SharePoint stuff I just reload a copy I have made. As long as you have tons of RAM they are a great tool. Anything I can help with just shout. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields [tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 20:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 27 16:31:14 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:31:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <002d01c8904e$4d534210$4b3a8343@SusanOne> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> <002d01c8904e$4d534210$4b3a8343@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000d01c89051$e2c32650$0201a8c0@M90> >What is MOSS? It is fuzzy stuff that grows on the south side of trees. Really useful if you are lost in the woods. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access What is MOSS? Susan H. > John > > Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS > licensing when I get back to work. We will be running development > platforms for each developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office > 2007/VS 2005 and SQL Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 16:41:38 2008 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:41:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <000b01c89051$83c6be50$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> , <000b01c89051$83c6be50$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: Well I know thats the case with Active Passive SQL Server clustering. You only need one licence until the second machine kicks in. I don't believe that the case with a VM. If they treat a VM as a physical machine then you need a licence. However for Windows Server 2003 I also think your point is true. You need only licence running instances of Win Server. I also read Vista Enterprise allows you to have 4 VM with a single licence. But I do think that if you have 3 VMs running XP Pro then you need three licences. The fact they are turned if doesn't matter. In our case re developers VMs I think they will tell us we need to licence al of the software. As you can see there is a lot of I think here. Licence requirements from MS are as clear as mud. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 21:28 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Which would imply that if a VM isn't running, then you don't need a license for that machine, at that instance. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access John Its an issue we have come up against. I have a meeting with MS licensing when I get back to work. We will be running development platforms for each developer - Windows Server 2003/MOSS 2007/Office 2007/VS 2005 and SQL Server. The cost to us for each VM could be huge. The theory as I understand it is that you do need a licence for each OS running in a VM and that applies to Office etc as well. I will get a better picture of what they expect once I get back to work. I think its just like having another physical machine sitting beside you and they would expect licences for that. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services Queen's University Riddel Hall 185 Stranmillis Road Belfast BT9 5EE Tel : 02890974465 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 27 March 2008 20:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access The whole "buy a version of windows to run on your already running version of windows" is a little lame. OTOH if you are a linux guru you can run linux on the hardware (server) and then run your XP License on the virtual machine. Do you need a new copy of XP for every virtual machine if you are only running one VM at a time? Hmm... I think they (MS) are trying to handle the instance of companies running 5 virtual machines AT THE SAME TIME on a single server. Obviously you need a new license of Windows for each VM in that case. It is not so obvious in your case. If you are a developer, you would be well advised to get the action pack which gives you 10 copies of the various Oss anyway, then you have plenty to go around. Of course that also costs a cool $300 per year. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Hi Martin, Given that I have a full XP Pro installation on my computer (with all the updates), is there any way to share that OS with a Virtual Machine? Or, would I take my installation CDs (that came with my computer), and copy them into a folder to be shared? Right now, I feel a little bit like Alice after she fell down the rabbit hole. Each solution seems to have a catch I can't quite get around. I don't have multiple licenses for my Windows XP Pro. I do have an older Windows XP Home lying around somewhere, and I have Win98 still installed on one machine. For helping my client, I may be better off just installing Access 97 on my Win98 machine - if that isn't going to ruin my Access 2K already installed on that machine. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? I've casually read a few of the threads about multiple Access versions installed on the same machine, but I didn't pay a lot of attention, because I didn't need to know at that time. Still falling down the rabbit hole, eager for any assistance before the Red Queen orders my head be chopped off!! Thanks, Tina Martin W Reid wrote: > I just installed a server farm at home using Virtual PC on an external Hard Drive. Made it up as I went along but now have a SharePoint server VM up and running. > > To answer your question I think? > > You can download fully working Virtual Machine but in the case of > Windows you simply treat it as another physical machine and install every thing from the ground up. You will have to have a copy of XP or Visa to install as the OS on the Virtual PC. You will also need a licence for the OS on the VM and for everything you put on it. > > You can put the XP installation files on the host machine and then > simply share the folder with the Virtual PC thats how I did it. I did find after the OS was installed everything installed better if the install files when run directly on the VM. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > Queen's University > Riddel Hall > 185 Stranmillis Road > Belfast > BT9 5EE > Tel : 02890974465 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Mar 27 16:54:39 2008 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] There's an update to VMware Workstation 6.x In-Reply-To: References: <47EBC348.4000101@torchlake.com><000801c89024$e39c41b0$0201a8c0@M90><47EBD087.5020401@torchlake.com><000c01c8902f$587e1620$0201a8c0@M90><47EBEC1E.2050400@torchlake.com>, <000001c89040$d985f240$0201a8c0@M90><47EC0265.5020005@torchlake.com>, <000801c8904a$194b3d00$0201a8c0@M90> , <000b01c89051$83c6be50$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <009401c89055$28cfdc30$7a6f9490$@rr.com> With all the talk of VMs, I thought some of you might like to know. The latest version is 6.0.3. http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/ Bobby From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Mar 27 17:59:32 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:59:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VM for different versions of Access Message-ID: Hi Tina No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 28 10:30:30 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:30:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED0F16.1050902@torchlake.com> Thank you Gustav, On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the process. First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to un-install the entire Office Suite? Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current version. How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? Am I understanding the process correctly? Thanks for your help, Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. > Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>> > .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Mar 28 10:46:13 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:46:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access Message-ID: Hi Tina I don't think you will need to uninstall Office 2003. This is, by the way, not that easy if you want to erase any track from it. I have not installed the updates for the different versions in any particular order (don't recall which). I have not installed the latest update for 2002/XP and 2003 as they kill the option to update linked Excel files. /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 16:30:30 >>> Thank you Gustav, On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the process. First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to un-install the entire Office Suite? Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current version. How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? Am I understanding the process correctly? Thanks for your help, Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. > Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>> > .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Mar 28 10:56:32 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:56:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47ED0F16.1050902@torchlake.com> References: <47ED0F16.1050902@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001201c890ec$4bb71370$0201a8c0@M90> Tina, Yes, you have to install updates for the older programs as you install the program itself. There are things installed later that can prevent installing the updates in previous versions. Office is really a mess from an installation point of view. You place each version in its own directory but files still "leak out" into the system directory, and also into the registry. So yes, install 97 and ALL of its updates, then the next version, then the next etc. All the available updates before moving on to the next version. Even when you do this, there were versions that insisted on an "install" if another version was the last used. I don't really remember them much any more since I am now doing all of my dev work in 2003, even for older versions such as 2000 and XP (2002). You really might want to just install 97 and then 2003 and be done with it. My experience is that 2003 is flawlessly backwards compatible with 2000 and 2002. 97 as you know is a completely different beastie and if you still need it... well you still need it. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access Thank you Gustav, On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the process. First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to un-install the entire Office Suite? Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current version. How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? Am I understanding the process correctly? Thanks for your help, Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. > Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>> > .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 28 12:54:11 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:54:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VMfor different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <001201c890ec$4bb71370$0201a8c0@M90> References: <47ED0F16.1050902@torchlake.com> <001201c890ec$4bb71370$0201a8c0@M90> Message-ID: <47ED30C3.1040803@torchlake.com> Hi John, Yes, I will still need it. Before I dive into taking apart my current installation, I've come up with another idea. Let's see if this one makes sense. I have my licensed Win98 and Win98-second-edition-update discs. What if I build a VM for Win98 and do all its updates - some probably won't be available anymore, since MS stopped supporting it last June - then, install Access 97 on that VM? That way I have the thing I need to help my client - who sees absolutely no reason at this time to buy new software - and I don't have to take apart my current Office 2003 installation. Please send up a signal if this is a bad idea. Tina jwcolby wrote: > Tina, > > Yes, you have to install updates for the older programs as you install the > program itself. There are things installed later that can prevent > installing the updates in previous versions. > > Office is really a mess from an installation point of view. You place each > version in its own directory but files still "leak out" into the system > directory, and also into the registry. > > So yes, install 97 and ALL of its updates, then the next version, then the > next etc. All the available updates before moving on to the next version. > > Even when you do this, there were versions that insisted on an "install" if > another version was the last used. I don't really remember them much any > more since I am now doing all of my dev work in 2003, even for older > versions such as 2000 and XP (2002). > > You really might want to just install 97 and then 2003 and be done with it. > My experience is that 2003 is flawlessly backwards compatible with 2000 and > 2002. 97 as you know is a completely different beastie and if you still > need it... well you still need it. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:30 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM > for different versions of Access > > Thank you Gustav, > > On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the updates > except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for others. Just so > I fully understand the process I will need, and whatever "gotchas" are > likely to come along, please walk me through the process. > > First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to > un-install the entire Office Suite? > > Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any other > versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current version. > > How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and > installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I install > Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get its updates > - and so on until the whole project is complete? > > Am I understanding the process correctly? > > Thanks for your help, > Tina > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Tina >> >> No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP >> > Pro. > >> Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" >> > options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft > Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. > >> /gustav >> >> >> >>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 28 13:01:34 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:01:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED327E.9010508@torchlake.com> Hi Gustav, Let me get this clear. Are you saying that I don't have to un-install Office 2003, just uninstall Access 2003, then install Access 97, then reinstall Access 2003? Sorry to be dense about this, and thanks again for your help. Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > I don't think you will need to uninstall Office 2003. This is, by the way, not that easy if you want to erase any track from it. > > I have not installed the updates for the different versions in any particular order (don't recall which). > I have not installed the latest update for 2002/XP and 2003 as they kill the option to update linked Excel files. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 16:30:30 >>> >>>> > Thank you Gustav, > > On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the > updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for > others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and > whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the > process. > > First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to > un-install the entire Office Suite? > > Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any > other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current > version. > > How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and > installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I > install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get > its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? > > Am I understanding the process correctly? > > Thanks for your help, > Tina > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Tina >> >> No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. >> Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Mar 28 13:06:16 2008 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:06:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VMfor different versions of Access In-Reply-To: <47ED30C3.1040803@torchlake.com> References: <47ED0F16.1050902@torchlake.com><001201c890ec$4bb71370$0201a8c0@M90> <47ED30C3.1040803@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001c01c890fe$6c244b70$0201a8c0@M90> That certainly sounds like a plan. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VMfor different versions of Access Hi John, Yes, I will still need it. Before I dive into taking apart my current installation, I've come up with another idea. Let's see if this one makes sense. I have my licensed Win98 and Win98-second-edition-update discs. What if I build a VM for Win98 and do all its updates - some probably won't be available anymore, since MS stopped supporting it last June - then, install Access 97 on that VM? That way I have the thing I need to help my client - who sees absolutely no reason at this time to buy new software - and I don't have to take apart my current Office 2003 installation. Please send up a signal if this is a bad idea. Tina jwcolby wrote: > Tina, > > Yes, you have to install updates for the older programs as you install > the program itself. There are things installed later that can prevent > installing the updates in previous versions. > > Office is really a mess from an installation point of view. You place > each version in its own directory but files still "leak out" into the > system directory, and also into the registry. > > So yes, install 97 and ALL of its updates, then the next version, then > the next etc. All the available updates before moving on to the next version. > > Even when you do this, there were versions that insisted on an > "install" if another version was the last used. I don't really > remember them much any more since I am now doing all of my dev work in > 2003, even for older versions such as 2000 and XP (2002). > > You really might want to just install 97 and then 2003 and be done with it. > My experience is that 2003 is flawlessly backwards compatible with > 2000 and 2002. 97 as you know is a completely different beastie and > if you still need it... well you still need it. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:30 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: > VM for different versions of Access > > Thank you Gustav, > > On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the > updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for > others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and > whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the process. > > First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to > un-install the entire Office Suite? > > Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any > other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current version. > > How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and > installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I > install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go > get its updates > - and so on until the whole project is complete? > > Am I understanding the process correctly? > > Thanks for your help, > Tina > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Tina >> >> No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on >> WinXP >> > Pro. > >> Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" >> > options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default > "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. > >> /gustav >> >> >> >>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Mar 28 13:18:38 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:18:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access Message-ID: Hi Tina I can't guarantee anything, and some warn against it, but we've never seen troubles with A2003 and A97 combined as long as you don't install to the default "Microsoft Office" folder. They are quite different, for example does A97 not know anything about ADO. Also, an Office Clean 97 util exists which cleans all Office 97 if you should wish so. So I would create a backup and/or restore point and install A97. Don't forget to use the SR-2 (Service Release 2) version. Use custom intall and select only those items needed - you can always add more items later. Also remove the Office quick start from the Start Up entry in the Start menu should it be installed. /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 19:01:34 >>> Hi Gustav, Let me get this clear. Are you saying that I don't have to un-install Office 2003, just uninstall Access 2003, then install Access 97, then reinstall Access 2003? Sorry to be dense about this, and thanks again for your help. Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > I don't think you will need to uninstall Office 2003. This is, by the way, not that easy if you want to erase any track from it. > > I have not installed the updates for the different versions in any particular order (don't recall which). > I have not installed the latest update for 2002/XP and 2003 as they kill the option to update linked Excel files. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 16:30:30 >>> >>>> > Thank you Gustav, > > On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the > updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for > others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and > whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the > process. > > First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to > un-install the entire Office Suite? > > Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any > other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current > version. > > How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and > installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I > install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get > its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? > > Am I understanding the process correctly? > > Thanks for your help, > Tina > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Tina >> >> No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. >> Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Mar 28 13:35:34 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:35:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple versions Access on one machine - Was: VM for different versions of Access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED3A76.8080605@torchlake.com> Thanks again, Gustav. I'm now noodling two pretty good possibilities. I'll let everybody know how this works out for me. Tina Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > I can't guarantee anything, and some warn against it, but we've never seen troubles with A2003 and A97 combined as long as you don't install to the default "Microsoft Office" folder. > They are quite different, for example does A97 not know anything about ADO. Also, an Office Clean 97 util exists which cleans all Office 97 if you should wish so. > > So I would create a backup and/or restore point and install A97. Don't forget to use the SR-2 (Service Release 2) version. Use custom intall and select only those items needed - you can always add more items later. Also remove the Office quick start from the Start Up entry in the Start menu should it be installed. > > /gustav > > >>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 19:01:34 >>> >>>> > Hi Gustav, > > Let me get this clear. Are you saying that I don't have to un-install > Office 2003, just uninstall Access 2003, then install Access 97, then > reinstall Access 2003? > > Sorry to be dense about this, and thanks again for your help. > > Tina > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Tina >> >> I don't think you will need to uninstall Office 2003. This is, by the way, not that easy if you want to erase any track from it. >> >> I have not installed the updates for the different versions in any particular order (don't recall which). >> I have not installed the latest update for 2002/XP and 2003 as they kill the option to update linked Excel files. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 28-03-2008 16:30:30 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Thank you Gustav, >> >> On my current main computer I am running Office 2003, with all the >> updates except SP3, which I understand has caused difficulties for >> others. Just so I fully understand the process I will need, and >> whatever "gotchas" are likely to come along, please walk me through the >> process. >> >> First, I would un-install my current Access version - do I need to >> un-install the entire Office Suite? >> >> Second, I would install Access 97 in its own folder, followed by any >> other versions I wish, each in its own folder, until I get to my current >> version. >> >> How would I handle the several updates that had been downloaded and >> installed, and which, presumably will have to be reinstalled? Do I >> install Access 97, go get its updates, install the next version, go get >> its updates - and so on until the whole project is complete? >> >> Am I understanding the process correctly? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Tina >> >> >> Gustav Brock wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Tina >>> >>> No problem. I have all Access versions from 2.0 to 2007 installed on WinXP Pro. >>> Just install from oldest to newest and _always_ deselect any "upgrade" options, and _always_ install to another folder than the default "Microsoft Office". Replace this with "Microsoft Office 97" and so on. >>> >>> /gustav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 27-03-2008 21:24 >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> .. Or, do I dare install Access 97 on my Windows XP Pro machine? >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Mar 29 13:23:26 2008 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:23:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to watch what the computer is sending out Message-ID: <47EE891E.1090504@torchlake.com> Hi All, I really don't like automatic updates, for a number of reasons, my own paranoia being one. But, also, when the computer takes off to go see if there's a new version of Java, or Windows, or a new driver for the mouse, or whatever, it often causes other running processes to delay - like recognizing my typing keystrokes, for instance - which is very frustrating. So, for the most part, I turn them off and choose my own time to go look for updates. Not all my automatic stuff is off, though - heck, you have to have some level of automatic update on in order to access Windows Update when you want to - so I have it set to notify me but not download. Other stuff is still making automatic trips out and about the Internet, and I don't know who or what it is. How do I look to see which of my programs and devices is calling home? Thanks for teaching me. Tina From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 14:44:40 2008 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:44:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to watch what the computer is sending out In-Reply-To: <47EE891E.1090504@torchlake.com> References: <47EE891E.1090504@torchlake.com> Message-ID: You could set your firewall software to require notification for all outgoing traffic. Then anything wants to talk to the outside world, it asks for permission. GK On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi All, > > I really don't like automatic updates, for a number of reasons, my own > paranoia being one. But, also, when the computer takes off to go see if > there's a new version of Java, or Windows, or a new driver for the > mouse, or whatever, it often causes other running processes to delay - > like recognizing my typing keystrokes, for instance - which is very > frustrating. So, for the most part, I turn them off and choose my own > time to go look for updates. > > Not all my automatic stuff is off, though - heck, you have to have some > level of automatic update on in order to access Windows Update when you > want to - so I have it set to notify me but not download. Other stuff > is still making automatic trips out and about the Internet, and I don't > know who or what it is. How do I look to see which of my programs and > devices is calling home? > > Thanks for teaching me. > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Mar 29 14:55:45 2008 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:55:45 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to watch what the computer is sending out In-Reply-To: References: <47EE891E.1090504@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001801c891d6$e09d6760$0200a8c0@jt2c> Yep, but that'll get really old, really quickly! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 29 March 2008 19:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to watch what the computer is sending out You could set your firewall software to require notification for all outgoing traffic. Then anything wants to talk to the outside world, it asks for permission. GK On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi All, > > I really don't like automatic updates, for a number of reasons, my > own paranoia being one. But, also, when the computer takes off to go > see if there's a new version of Java, or Windows, or a new driver for > the mouse, or whatever, it often causes other running processes to > delay - like recognizing my typing keystrokes, for instance - which > is very frustrating. So, for the most part, I turn them off and > choose my own time to go look for updates. > > Not all my automatic stuff is off, though - heck, you have to have > some level of automatic update on in order to access Windows Update > when you want to - so I have it set to notify me but not download. > Other stuff is still making automatic trips out and about the > Internet, and I don't know who or what it is. How do I look to see > which of my programs and devices is calling home? > > Thanks for teaching me. > Tina > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Mar 30 23:44:08 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:44:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses Message-ID: <00bc01c892e9$db4d4a50$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Dear List: Is there a way to validate an email address without actually sending an email and waiting for the bounce? Something akin to pinging an IP address? TIA Rocky From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Mar 31 01:36:53 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:36:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses Message-ID: Hi Rocky Not really. Some spam filters accept all mail to learn from it, only forwarding (of course) those e-mails not detected as spam and with a valid receiver. Some mail servers accept all mail but quietly drop e-mails with no valid receiver. This is too prevent spammers from guessing valid accounts by brute force methods (semi random generated account names). So what you effectively can check is if an e-mail address will not be bounced. Or you can put it this way: If you will be able to deliver an e-mail without but not if it also will reach a receiving account. Further, some mail servers use gray listing which means that an unknown sender will be asked to try again because the server claims to be busy. It will continue to reply this way for an hour or so. Thus, a custom validating function of yours will have to take this into account /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-03-2008 06:44 >>> Dear List: Is there a way to validate an email address without actually sending an email and waiting for the bounce? Something akin to pinging an IP address? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Mar 31 08:13:17 2008 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:13:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301c89330$fc61a4b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Gustav: I'm really looking to cull the old addresses from my address book where the address is truly dead. Not too concerned about spam filters. These are all addresses I've sent stuff to before and gotten through. I guess a 'test' email to the whole list is the best way. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:37 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses Hi Rocky Not really. Some spam filters accept all mail to learn from it, only forwarding (of course) those e-mails not detected as spam and with a valid receiver. Some mail servers accept all mail but quietly drop e-mails with no valid receiver. This is too prevent spammers from guessing valid accounts by brute force methods (semi random generated account names). So what you effectively can check is if an e-mail address will not be bounced. Or you can put it this way: If you will be able to deliver an e-mail without but not if it also will reach a receiving account. Further, some mail servers use gray listing which means that an unknown sender will be asked to try again because the server claims to be busy. It will continue to reply this way for an hour or so. Thus, a custom validating function of yours will have to take this into account /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-03-2008 06:44 >>> Dear List: Is there a way to validate an email address without actually sending an email and waiting for the bounce? Something akin to pinging an IP address? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release Date: 3/30/2008 12:32 PM From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Mar 31 08:29:23 2008 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:29:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses Message-ID: Hi Rocky In that case I would just send them a friendly notice, that you still hold the address on your list. You could even offer the receiver to be taken off should he/she wish to. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-03-2008 15:13 >>> Gustav: I'm really looking to cull the old addresses from my address book where the address is truly dead. Not too concerned about spam filters. These are all addresses I've sent stuff to before and gotten through. I guess a 'test' email to the whole list is the best way. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:37 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Validating Email Addresses Hi Rocky Not really. Some spam filters accept all mail to learn from it, only forwarding (of course) those e-mails not detected as spam and with a valid receiver. Some mail servers accept all mail but quietly drop e-mails with no valid receiver. This is too prevent spammers from guessing valid accounts by brute force methods (semi random generated account names). So what you effectively can check is if an e-mail address will not be bounced. Or you can put it this way: If you will be able to deliver an e-mail without but not if it also will reach a receiving account. Further, some mail servers use gray listing which means that an unknown sender will be asked to try again because the server claims to be busy. It will continue to reply this way for an hour or so. Thus, a custom validating function of yours will have to take this into account /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 31-03-2008 06:44 >>> Dear List: Is there a way to validate an email address without actually sending an email and waiting for the bounce? Something akin to pinging an IP address? TIA Rocky