[dba-Tech] Really and for true, how can I...

Lembit Soobik lembit.dbamail at t-online.de
Sat May 31 10:59:07 CDT 2008


thank you, Bill,

I'm using Acronis 11 home right now, and intend to get to Echo WS, so your 
input helped me.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Patten" <bill_patten at embarqmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Really and for true, how can I...


> Steve, before you go to all that trouble, and you can easily practice on 
> a
> different PC, check out Acronis Universal Restore. It has many of the
> drivers needed built into it. If you look on there site you will find
> Acronis has a package deal for Echo Workstation and Universal restore for
> about $89. I know personally of 2 cases where it saved the day.
>
> I had a friend that tried to restore a PC image on a laptop. It would not
> work, and windows repair would not fix it. He used the Universal repair 
> and
> on the first try got the image working.
>
> I have a Vista 64 machine that I set up with Raid 0 etc. and had all kinds
> of problems with the Intel/Dell/64 bit combination. One of the suggested
> solutions was to revert back to the Auto Raid choice in the ROM Bios. It
> would not boot. A restore would not work, booting with the Vista disk and
> repair would not work. So I tested trying to install a fresh Vista
> installation with that configuration and it worked, indicating that Vista
> install did in fact have the correct drivers.
>
> So then I made an image using Acronis Workstation Echo, created a boot CD
> from the Acronis install and clicked the use Universal Restore when I 
> built
> it.
>
> Made the change in the bios, installed a fresh SATA drive, booted to the 
> CD
> and viola, it worked. The system has been working for about a month now 
> and
> is much more stable the before.
>
> It's a fairly low risk deal as long has you hang on to the original disk,
> you can always go back if needed. And by the way I did not use DVD's or
> anything just placed the image on my server, then when I booted on boot 
> cd,
> went across the network and restored. Oh Acronis Boot disk will find most
> networks and even USB's
>
> If I can be of more help or you have any questions give me a shout.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> PS, No I do not work for or have any affiliation with Acronis.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Really and for true, how can I...
>
>
> Lembit,
>
> It isn't magic, no; but if the goal is to get up and running on a new
> system with all the old software, burning DVDs takes longer.
>
> I am eager to try this controller card method.
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> USA
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Lembit Soobik
> <lembit.dbamail at t-online.de> wrote:
>> thanks, Steve.
>>
>> doing image backups to DVD is no magic, is it?
>> so if that path works, I much prefer it.
>>
>> OTOH, your step 3 sounds like requiring black magic?
>> "Unhook the new PC's C: drive from its internal
>>> controllers and just let it sit there unpowered for a while. (I'm not
>>> sure whether the new PC should be booted with just the new IDE
>>> controller card installed."
>>
>> are you going to try that?
>>
>> Lembit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Really and for true, how can I...
>>
>>
>>> Lembit, Jon, and Jim L.,
>>>
>>> Our network administrator at work had good things to say about
>>> Acronis.  However he seemed to think that to really get the "restore
>>> the system to dissimilar hardware" to work right, one needed to do
>>> image backups onto DVD.  That's what he said.
>>>
>>> He did offer an alternative, though, one that might just do the trick.
>>> Here's the routine (assuming IDE drives...but it's similar for SATA):
>>>
>>> 1) Install a new IDE controller card in the old PC and make sure the
>>> current drivers are installed.
>>>
>>> 2) Shut down the old PC, disconnect the C: drive (the one you want to
>>> transfer to the new box) from the internal IDE controller, wire it up
>>> to the new IDE controller, and fire up the old PC to ensure that the
>>> C: drive will boot from the new controller.  Shut down.
>>>
>>> 3) Install that same new IDE controller card in the NEW PC along with
>>> the old C: drive.  Unhook the new PC's C: drive from its internal
>>> controllers and just let it sit there unpowered for a while. (I'm not
>>> sure whether the new PC should be booted with just the new IDE
>>> controller card installed.  I'm not clear on whether the ROMs in the
>>> PC are supposed to recognize the new hardware first...if that's even
>>> something that normally happens.  Does the hard disk store all the
>>> configuration information?)
>>>
>>> 4) Fire up the NEW PC.  The old disk drive SHOULD boot from that new
>>> IDE controller.  Then Windows on the old drive will detect that
>>> there's new hardware that requires drivers: sound, video, etc.  The
>>> key to all this is that the drive should "know" about the controller
>>> it's hooked to.  All the other drivers are secondary to the disk
>>> controller.  If the boot drive already has drivers for that particular
>>> controller then it should be happy to boot from it and the rest of the
>>> drivers can be installed when the "new hardware detected" messages
>>> appear.
>>>
>>> 5) Once all the drivers are installed, the old drive should be ready
>>> to go as the main boot drive in the new system with all the old
>>> programs in place and ready to go.
>>>
>>> 6) Finally, reconnect the new drive in a slave mode, use Casper (our
>>> net admin's favorite) to clone the old drive onto the new one, unhook
>>> the old drive and set the new drive to be the master, and fire up the
>>> new PC with its newly cloned new drive...and Bob's your uncle, Fanny's
>>> your aunt.
>>>
>>> All of this is simpler if one uses SATA drives, but the fact that it
>>> appears possible with plain old IDE drives is very encouraging...all
>>> for the cost of an IDE controller and Casper.
>>>
>>> Steve Erbach
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