From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 09:06:02 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:06:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063f01c9e2c2$1911cea0$4b356be0$@net> Hi Rocky, There's tons of registry cleaners on the web. Beware! Many of them can cause problems by being overly aggressive in their cleaning. IMO it really isn't necessary to clean the registry unless you are having problems. A safe registry cleaner is CCleaner. It may not appear to clean everything if you run it in comparison to other registry cleaners but it is safe for non-registry gurus to use and those others more than likely aren't. It's free and doesn't include adware, although it may include Yahoo toolbar with Ccleaner quick links on it in the setup so uncheck that option when installing (unless you want it). If I run into problems where I think registry cleaning (after an infection has been cleaned or something equally as traumatic) I then also run a registry defragger when completely finished with all other remediation processes. I find that Auslogics' Registry Defragger is very good (and free) Again, watch for the tag along Ask Toolbar during installation). I download it and their file defragger which is very quick (and free) and run it and then the registry defragger to optimize HD access speeds. When done I uninstall both because I schedule Windows defragger to do it from then on. Best of luck, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Dear List: I had an occasion to scan my registry for something and I see a whole lot of keys with a .com extension - tried a few in the browser and they don't link to anything. A couple of them are identified as attack sites. What's the best way to get rid of the junk - dangerous or otherwise? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 09:51:46 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:51:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry In-Reply-To: <063f01c9e2c2$1911cea0$4b356be0$@net> References: <063f01c9e2c2$1911cea0$4b356be0$@net> Message-ID: 'Best of luck' an appropriate closing. :) What I'm seeing in the *.com web site lists is a lot of places I didn't go to and don't want in my registry. But, as you say, if it ain't broke... Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Hi Rocky, There's tons of registry cleaners on the web. Beware! Many of them can cause problems by being overly aggressive in their cleaning. IMO it really isn't necessary to clean the registry unless you are having problems. A safe registry cleaner is CCleaner. It may not appear to clean everything if you run it in comparison to other registry cleaners but it is safe for non-registry gurus to use and those others more than likely aren't. It's free and doesn't include adware, although it may include Yahoo toolbar with Ccleaner quick links on it in the setup so uncheck that option when installing (unless you want it). If I run into problems where I think registry cleaning (after an infection has been cleaned or something equally as traumatic) I then also run a registry defragger when completely finished with all other remediation processes. I find that Auslogics' Registry Defragger is very good (and free) Again, watch for the tag along Ask Toolbar during installation). I download it and their file defragger which is very quick (and free) and run it and then the registry defragger to optimize HD access speeds. When done I uninstall both because I schedule Windows defragger to do it from then on. Best of luck, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Dear List: I had an occasion to scan my registry for something and I see a whole lot of keys with a .com extension - tried a few in the browser and they don't link to anything. A couple of them are identified as attack sites. What's the best way to get rid of the junk - dangerous or otherwise? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Jun 1 09:57:12 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:57:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry In-Reply-To: References: <063f01c9e2c2$1911cea0$4b356be0$@net> Message-ID: <3939E704A0DB4AA6A888263AA6DABA65@danwaters> I've been using 'Wise Registry Cleaner' for about a year now. They have free version - it distinguishes between what it feels safe to delete and not safe. There is a free version - and it can be opened, run, and closed with one click. I set this to run daily on my PC using a scheduled task. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry 'Best of luck' an appropriate closing. :) What I'm seeing in the *.com web site lists is a lot of places I didn't go to and don't want in my registry. But, as you say, if it ain't broke... Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Hi Rocky, There's tons of registry cleaners on the web. Beware! Many of them can cause problems by being overly aggressive in their cleaning. IMO it really isn't necessary to clean the registry unless you are having problems. A safe registry cleaner is CCleaner. It may not appear to clean everything if you run it in comparison to other registry cleaners but it is safe for non-registry gurus to use and those others more than likely aren't. It's free and doesn't include adware, although it may include Yahoo toolbar with Ccleaner quick links on it in the setup so uncheck that option when installing (unless you want it). If I run into problems where I think registry cleaning (after an infection has been cleaned or something equally as traumatic) I then also run a registry defragger when completely finished with all other remediation processes. I find that Auslogics' Registry Defragger is very good (and free) Again, watch for the tag along Ask Toolbar during installation). I download it and their file defragger which is very quick (and free) and run it and then the registry defragger to optimize HD access speeds. When done I uninstall both because I schedule Windows defragger to do it from then on. Best of luck, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Dear List: I had an occasion to scan my registry for something and I see a whole lot of keys with a .com extension - tried a few in the browser and they don't link to anything. A couple of them are identified as attack sites. What's the best way to get rid of the junk - dangerous or otherwise? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 10:21:19 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:21:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry In-Reply-To: <3939E704A0DB4AA6A888263AA6DABA65@danwaters> References: <063f01c9e2c2$1911cea0$4b356be0$@net> <3939E704A0DB4AA6A888263AA6DABA65@danwaters> Message-ID: <8375460238944A37922163B44FB0BBB3@HAL9005> Thanks. I'll give it a whirl - see what it says. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry I've been using 'Wise Registry Cleaner' for about a year now. They have free version - it distinguishes between what it feels safe to delete and not safe. There is a free version - and it can be opened, run, and closed with one click. I set this to run daily on my PC using a scheduled task. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry 'Best of luck' an appropriate closing. :) What I'm seeing in the *.com web site lists is a lot of places I didn't go to and don't want in my registry. But, as you say, if it ain't broke... Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Hi Rocky, There's tons of registry cleaners on the web. Beware! Many of them can cause problems by being overly aggressive in their cleaning. IMO it really isn't necessary to clean the registry unless you are having problems. A safe registry cleaner is CCleaner. It may not appear to clean everything if you run it in comparison to other registry cleaners but it is safe for non-registry gurus to use and those others more than likely aren't. It's free and doesn't include adware, although it may include Yahoo toolbar with Ccleaner quick links on it in the setup so uncheck that option when installing (unless you want it). If I run into problems where I think registry cleaning (after an infection has been cleaned or something equally as traumatic) I then also run a registry defragger when completely finished with all other remediation processes. I find that Auslogics' Registry Defragger is very good (and free) Again, watch for the tag along Ask Toolbar during installation). I download it and their file defragger which is very quick (and free) and run it and then the registry defragger to optimize HD access speeds. When done I uninstall both because I schedule Windows defragger to do it from then on. Best of luck, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Junk in the Registry Dear List: I had an occasion to scan my registry for something and I see a whole lot of keys with a .com extension - tried a few in the browser and they don't link to anything. A couple of them are identified as attack sites. What's the best way to get rid of the junk - dangerous or otherwise? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 12:49:20 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:49:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:05:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:05:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question Message-ID: Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following a lot -- If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:36:22 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:36:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a241fa8.0707d00a.55ab.6117@mx.google.com> Susan, If you are interested I can get details of a piece of software at work (free) which can send tons of stuff to the keyboard via a user designated hot-key(s) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 June 2009 19:06 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following a lot -- If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing <4a241fa8.0707d00a.55ab.6117@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <393D30291CCD46268ACD9E75B4C218B0@SusanOne> Thanks Max, but I wouldn't use it enough to warrant it, I don't imagine. Susan H. > Susan, > If you are interested I can get details of a piece of software at work > (free) which can send tons of stuff to the keyboard via a user designated > hot-key(s) > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 01 June 2009 19:06 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question > > Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following a > lot -- > > > > > > > > > > If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 14:00:00 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:00:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Message-ID: Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:07:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:07:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 14:08:41 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:08:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:11:34 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:11:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> <5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:16:10 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:16:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question In-Reply-To: <393D30291CCD46268ACD9E75B4C218B0@SusanOne> References: <4a241fa8.0707d00a.55ab.6117@mx.google.com> <393D30291CCD46268ACD9E75B4C218B0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a2428fd.0707d00a.7847.0810@mx.google.com> I'm not sure about that. I think that is true for me, but you as an Author(ess) would, I think, find yourself typing the same old Heading/Salutation/framework etc etc over and over again. You can do it all with (for example) Ctl-S (for Control Susan - assuming such a thing was possible!) and have it Launch Word, Open a template, populate it and position at the first para. Ctl-D (for example) would then despatch it to printer/email/both etc. Just for starters. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 June 2009 19:46 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question Thanks Max, but I wouldn't use it enough to warrant it, I don't imagine. Susan H. > Susan, > If you are interested I can get details of a piece of software at work > (free) which can send tons of stuff to the keyboard via a user designated > hot-key(s) > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 01 June 2009 19:06 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question > > Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following a > lot -- > > > > > > > > > > If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 14:22:11 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:22:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:30:06 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:30:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question References: <4a241fa8.0707d00a.55ab.6117@mx.google.com><393D30291CCD46268ACD9E75B4C218B0@SusanOne> <4a2428fd.0707d00a.7847.0810@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <98C40D67E1B94191AC9240A44060C9DC@SusanOne> Well, Okay -- you talked me into it. :) Thank you Max. Susan H. > I'm not sure about that. I think that is true for me, but you as an > Author(ess) would, I think, find yourself typing the same old > Heading/Salutation/framework etc etc over and over again. You can do it > all > with (for example) Ctl-S (for Control Susan - assuming such a thing was > possible!) and have it Launch Word, Open a template, populate it and > position at the first para. Ctl-D (for example) would then despatch it to > printer/email/both etc. > > Just for starters. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 01 June 2009 19:46 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question > > Thanks Max, but I wouldn't use it enough to warrant it, I don't imagine. > > Susan H. > > >> Susan, >> If you are interested I can get details of a piece of software at work >> (free) which can send tons of stuff to the keyboard via a user designated >> hot-key(s) >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: 01 June 2009 19:06 >> To: DBA Tech List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question >> >> Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following >> a >> lot -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing > > macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 14:31:05 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:59:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:59:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 15:58:13 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:58:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 16:02:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:02:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> <371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 16:05:23 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:05:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> ARE YOU CRAZY???? Why not just pull my heart and lungs out???!!!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 16:09:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:09:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a24437f.0506d00a.61b7.083b@mx.google.com> Ooohhh no, too messy. Easier to just deny internet accesses for a week (your grounded!) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 22:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate ARE YOU CRAZY???? Why not just pull my heart and lungs out???!!!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 1 16:28:57 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:28:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 1 16:31:15 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:31:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> <5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> <371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com> Did your virus scanner go into real-time protection mode and decided to re-index your drive? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate ARE YOU CRAZY???? Why not just pull my heart and lungs out???!!!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 16:32:50 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:32:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005><4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com><4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005><4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com><9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> Don't know. Or know how to find out. But it was Sygate and not AVG that was sucking up the cycles. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Did your virus scanner go into real-time protection mode and decided to re-index your drive? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate ARE YOU CRAZY???? Why not just pull my heart and lungs out???!!!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 16:38:23 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:38:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: 390, not 309. It's the step up in models from the IBM 360 Mainframe developed in the 60's. The 370 came along in the 70's and the 390 came along in the 90's. VSE is Virtual Systems Extended I beleive. I worked on a 360 and then on a 4331 that we updated to a 4361 which was similar archetecturally to the 370 and later 390 systems. I think the 4300 series was instead of a 380 model line in the 80's. I'm not available to go to Bermuda though. I do know some people that MIGHT BE though. Unfortunately my E-mail system is acting up at the moment so it might be tomorrow before I can contact them. How soon do you need to know John? GK On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM > To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? ?If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. ?Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. ?The > bank that I work for has two 390's ?in their Bermuda location. ?One > production and another for spare parts. ?The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. ?The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. ?If it > shuts down the bank is dead. ?It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. ?Probably a year away at a minimum. ?What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. ?I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. ? But you know me, I'm always optimistic. ? I anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses > (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person > that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. ?Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 17:00:11 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:00:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: I see three s/390 systems but of unspecifie model letter on Ebay. One is current bid of $10 Another is BUY IT NOW for $700 and the third is in someones STORE for $19,000 Heres some info on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S390 GK On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? ?If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. ?Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. ?The > bank that I work for has two 390's ?in their Bermuda location. ?One > production and another for spare parts. ?The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. ?The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. ?If it > shuts down the bank is dead. ?It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. ?Probably a year away at a minimum. ?What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. ?I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. ? But you know me, I'm always optimistic. ? I anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses > (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person > that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. ?Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 17:24:36 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:24:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: <089601c9e307$bf31adb0$3d950910$@net> I don't know, I left IBM when system 36 was the showpiece... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 17:24:36 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:24:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005><4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com><4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005><4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com><9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com> <17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <089701c9e307$bf556250$3e0026f0$@net> Do Yourself a favor and ditch them both. Vipre and SPF will takes less resources to run and do a better job. $50 covers all PCs in your house and SPF is free. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Don't know. Or know how to find out. But it was Sygate and not AVG that was sucking up the cycles. From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 17:24:36 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:24:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: <089801c9e307$bf8c29c0$3ea47d40$@net> As soon as you know let me know. This is via a retired IBMer whom I now support. It?s a hoot - his laptop never boots up it always IPLs. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? 390, not 309. It's the step up in models from the IBM 360 Mainframe developed in the 60's. The 370 came along in the 70's and the 390 came along in the 90's. VSE is Virtual Systems Extended I beleive. I worked on a 360 and then on a 4331 that we updated to a 4361 which was similar archetecturally to the 370 and later 390 systems. I think the 4300 series was instead of a 380 model line in the 80's. I'm not available to go to Bermuda though. I do know some people that MIGHT BE though. Unfortunately my E-mail system is acting up at the moment so it might be tomorrow before I can contact them. How soon do you need to know John? GK On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM > To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? ?If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. ?Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. ?The > bank that I work for has two 390's ?in their Bermuda location. ?One > production and another for spare parts. ?The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. ?The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. ?If it > shuts down the bank is dead. ?It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. ?Probably a year away at a minimum. ?What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. ?I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. ? But you know me, I'm always optimistic. ? I anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses > (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person > that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. ?Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 17:26:23 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: <08a901c9e307$ff25bfb0$fd713f10$@net> Yea, me too. If so you all would've seen this after I took the job! :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 1 17:42:43 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:42:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <089701c9e307$bf556250$3e0026f0$@net> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005><4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com><4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005><4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com><9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com><17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> <089701c9e307$bf556250$3e0026f0$@net> Message-ID: <613715BCDDAB45DB891B2888AC44D7DD@HAL9005> I'm running Sunbelt on the new Dell Vista Laptop. OK, I'll switch. The only thing I can't get around in Sunbelt is the incoming connection notices from my network and the 'make a rule' box is grayed out. Can't find where to set up a 'trusted zone' range of Ips. Am I missing it? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Do Yourself a favor and ditch them both. Vipre and SPF will takes less resources to run and do a better job. $50 covers all PCs in your house and SPF is free. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Don't know. Or know how to find out. But it was Sygate and not AVG that was sucking up the cycles. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 18:26:23 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:26:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <089801c9e307$bf8c29c0$3ea47d40$@net> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <089801c9e307$bf8c29c0$3ea47d40$@net> Message-ID: A cold boot is an IML. Warm boot is IPL. IML = Initial Microcode Load IPL = Initial Program Load For you young whipper snappers out there. I'd be plenty nervous about that hardware. It's the disk drives that will die first. Moving parts etc. Plenty of fans and stuff going on all over though I bet. GK On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM, John Bartow wrote: > As soon as you know let me know. This is via a retired IBMer whom I now > support. It?s a hoot - his laptop never boots up it always IPLs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:38 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > 390, not 309. ? It's the step up in models from the IBM 360 Mainframe > developed in the 60's. The 370 came along in the 70's and the 390 came > along in the 90's. VSE is Virtual Systems Extended I beleive. I worked > on a 360 and then on a 4331 that we updated to a 4361 which was > similar archetecturally to the 370 and later 390 systems. I think the > 4300 series was instead of a 380 model line in the 80's. > > I'm not available to go to Bermuda though. I do know some people that > MIGHT BE though. Unfortunately my E-mail system is acting up at the > moment so it might be tomorrow before I can contact them. How soon do > you need to know John? > > GK > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM >> To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? >> >> Just got this from a retired friend: >> >> Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are >> familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? ?If you do and they want to > make >> some very good money, please send me their contact details. ?Also, if you >> know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. ?The >> bank that I work for has two 390's ?in their Bermuda location. ?One >> production and another for spare parts. ?The hardware has been completely >> off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for >> something like 5 years. ?The only application that runs on it is the core >> banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. ?If it >> shuts down the bank is dead. ?It's a mess to say the least. >> >> The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking >> system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is >> complete. ?Probably a year away at a minimum. ?What we're trying to do is >> find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys > (knowledgable >> in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating > software >> and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable >> version. ?I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run >> to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in >> about 3 1/2 months. ? But you know me, I'm always optimistic. ? I > anticipate >> that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus > expenses >> (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person >> that puts the deal together. >> >> Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old >> hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. >> Looking forward to hearing from you. ?Talk soon. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 1 20:54:21 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance of languages In-Reply-To: <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: <9450FA58A3674E539F160629560DA31B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: I was hunting around for optimizers and ran across this site: http://gmarceau.qc.ca/blog/2009/05/speed-size-and-dependability-of.html The fellow who compiled the site is brilliant. He tested over 70 programming language for their performance. Most of the languages I have never heard of but the main core is represented. A few surprises like Ruby which is probably one of slowest (actually it is the slowest performer)... even slower than JavaScript and one of the star performers is FreeBasic. It appears that functionality has little to do with performance and more to do with the quality of the compiler. If JavaScript would just settle long enough and MS would quit trying to run independently from every other implementation, a real compiler could be created. Enjoy. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 1 21:27:48 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:27:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com> <5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005> <4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com> <4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com> <371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005> <4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com> <9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com> <17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> Message-ID: I guess you have run your TaskManager and checked to see what apps are sucking up the most resources? If not run taskmanager, select the Process tab, sort the tasks by CPU usage and if some program is sucking more than 30%, continuously, right-mouse click on the offending task and select 'End Process Tree'. If you then check the Performance tab and you should see a dramatic change on the graphs. You can always start your computer again and see if this operation restarts with the same issues....? HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Don't know. Or know how to find out. But it was Sygate and not AVG that was sucking up the cycles. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Did your virus scanner go into real-time protection mode and decided to re-index your drive? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate ARE YOU CRAZY???? Why not just pull my heart and lungs out???!!!!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It might be updating...it might be under attack...are they out to get you... Why not leave it running and pull the internet cable out. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 21:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I don't know WTF it's doing. I turned it off. I'm behind a hardware firewall in the router. I'll turn it back on again later. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Is it doing a scan? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Says Sygate is taking 15-25% and SQL Server a few more. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Hummpphh! They get like that sometimes. Do a Ctl-Alt-Del and see what task manager says about running processes. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:09 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate It's not talkin' -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate Have you asked it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 01 June 2009 20:00 To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Why is Sygate Personal Firewall suddenly taking up 15-25% of my CPU? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 22:45:26 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <089801c9e307$bf8c29c0$3ea47d40$@net> Message-ID: <008301c9e334$913f0240$b3bd06c0$@net> Thanks, I'll have to use IML when talking to him next time. He'll get a kick out of that :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? A cold boot is an IML. Warm boot is IPL. IML = Initial Microcode Load IPL = Initial Program Load For you young whipper snappers out there. I'd be plenty nervous about that hardware. It's the disk drives that will die first. Moving parts etc. Plenty of fans and stuff going on all over though I bet. From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 22:45:26 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance of languages In-Reply-To: <9450FA58A3674E539F160629560DA31B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <9450FA58A3674E539F160629560DA31B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <008201c9e334$90fe9de0$b2fbd9a0$@net> Would be nice but the turf battles continue and I don't see an end to this lousy war... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance of languages If JavaScript would just settle long enough and MS would quit trying to run independently from every other implementation, a real compiler could be created. From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 1 22:53:55 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:53:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate In-Reply-To: <613715BCDDAB45DB891B2888AC44D7DD@HAL9005> References: <4a2426e3.0508d00a.3cd3.2693@mx.google.com><5B813ADC229347FE9EB5767F63314526@HAL9005><4a2427e8.0a1ad00a.05e3.231f@mx.google.com><4a24333c.1c07d00a.408e.2d4c@mx.google.com><371F7272AB4248BC99897FF16B032210@HAL9005><4a2441dc.0707d00a.78db.2ac7@mx.google.com><9B273328006145FDB01938CE6C5A143F@HAL9005> <7C7F2214855C4DAEAE7B3CF1D9601708@creativesystemdesigns.com><17B630EE04754235A894736E4E6DE1E0@HAL9005> <089701c9e307$bf556250$3e0026f0$@net> <613715BCDDAB45DB891B2888AC44D7DD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <008501c9e335$c0834510$4189cf30$@net> The UI is bit out of date. SB never changed it they just updated the guts a bit after obtaining it from Kerio. SB is actually rewriting now and will incorporate an integrated management feature for people who use it and Vipre or CounterSpy. They won't be glopping everything together into a "security suite" though. Their number one goal after effectiveness is to keep their products fast and light on resources. Click Network Security and then Trusted Area. Ref: Page 7-22 Reference Manual http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/documents/sunbelt_personal_firewall_user_guid e.pdf HTH -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sygate I'm running Sunbelt on the new Dell Vista Laptop. OK, I'll switch. The only thing I can't get around in Sunbelt is the incoming connection notices from my network and the 'make a rule' box is grayed out. Can't find where to set up a 'trusted zone' range of Ips. Am I missing it? Rocky From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jun 2 07:52:25 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:52:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne><2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com><007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net><00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net><00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net><3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com><075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net><07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that system. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Jun 2 07:59:37 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:59:37 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne><2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com><007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net><00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net><00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net><3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com><075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net><07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that system. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 08:18:50 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:18:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906020618y6a833013m40508bc725a0b1c0@mail.gmail.com> I started on CP/M. That was even before DOS. An Apple II clone called a Unitron with 48 KB of RAM and a CP/M card with 64 KB of RAM. The Apple part of it ran Apple SOS, v. 3.3 IIRC. Arthur On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on > an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around > 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard > drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since > then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait > to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) > > The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and > doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that > system. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I > was an VAX guy. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Old IBM series > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM > To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The > bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One > production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it > shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I > anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus > expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the > person that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 09:54:38 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:54:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: Hi John, I have forwarded you the name, e-mail and phone number of my friend who would be fabulous for this project. He is a wizard with....well pretty much everything computer related. He has been writing stuff in JAVA of late but back in my mainframe days he was the guy I went to with any problem I had. He did the "systems" work on our mainframe - installing and maintaining the operating system and other infrastructure as well as engineering our major applications systems. There was literally NOTHING he couldn't solve. Smartest guy I have ever known I think. And he likes to be challenged so this might be a fun diversion for him. And he likes to travel. So all in all a good fit I think. He's been a independant consultant as long as I've known him - 35 or more years - and has been semi-retired for about the last 20 but continues to work for the challenges and for keeping busy and making some spending money of course. If you don't get the offline message, let me know and I will try again. GK On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? ?If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. ?Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. ?The > bank that I work for has two 390's ?in their Bermuda location. ?One > production and another for spare parts. ?The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. ?The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. ?If it > shuts down the bank is dead. ?It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. ?Probably a year away at a minimum. ?What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. ?I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. ? But you know me, I'm always optimistic. ? I anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses > (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person > that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. ?Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 2 11:40:08 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:40:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> Message-ID: <02c901c9e3a0$cacaf160$6060d420$@net> Thanks Gary, I received your offline message too. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 11:56:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:56:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne><2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com><007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net><00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net><00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net><3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com><075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net><07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: <4a2559db.09135e0a.55d6.ffffd0b9@mx.google.com> >> The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( That would make the student circa 11 years before memory kicked in. Bet the student is a female then.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 02 June 2009 14:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( Jon From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 2 12:03:25 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:03:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: <36A915A770A3415C86EE592AE5DB84F6@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is defintely classic. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that system. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 2 12:08:28 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:08:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net> <00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> Message-ID: <9C16C5DAB7BE437AB7C316B6240E6E0D@creativesystemdesigns.com> You mean 'Denial-Of-Service' ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that system. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I was an VAX guy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Old IBM series -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? Just got this from a retired friend: Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I anticipate that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the person that puts the deal together. Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 2 12:10:13 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:10:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906020618y6a833013m40508bc725a0b1c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> <29f585dd0906020618y6a833013m40508bc725a0b1c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4548B545D1B24747959A9846E6FA9FA8@creativesystemdesigns.com> ...and the MS backward slashes have been confusing me ever since. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? I started on CP/M. That was even before DOS. An Apple II clone called a Unitron with 48 KB of RAM and a CP/M card with 64 KB of RAM. The Apple part of it ran Apple SOS, v. 3.3 IIRC. Arthur On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on > an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around > 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard > drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since > then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait > to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) > > The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and > doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that > system. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I > was an VAX guy. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Old IBM series > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM > To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The > bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One > production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it > shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I > anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus > expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the > person that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 12:27:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:27:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <4548B545D1B24747959A9846E6FA9FA8@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne> <00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net> <3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net> <07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> <29f585dd0906020618y6a833013m40508bc725a0b1c0@mail.gmail.com> <4548B545D1B24747959A9846E6FA9FA8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4a256122.1c185e0a.4208.63d4@mx.google.com> I think I remember that but My short-term memory is not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my short-term memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 02 June 2009 18:10 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? ...and the MS backward slashes have been confusing me ever since. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? I started on CP/M. That was even before DOS. An Apple II clone called a Unitron with 48 KB of RAM and a CP/M card with 64 KB of RAM. The Apple part of it ran Apple SOS, v. 3.3 IIRC. Arthur On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on > an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around > 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard > drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since > then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait > to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) > > The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and > doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Hmmm, I was a UNIVAC 1100 guy, using EXEC 8. Actually really liked that > system. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:29 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Now that rings a bell... was that not back in the 70?... unfortunately I > was an VAX guy. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:31 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Old IBM series > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone > interested? > > Don't I wish I knew what a 309 D model was ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:49 AM > To: _DBA-OT; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? > > Just got this from a retired friend: > > Quick question - do you have any old buddies (retired or not) that are > familiar with VSE running on a 390 D model? If you do and they want to make > some very good money, please send me their contact details. Also, if you > know of any old 390 D's anywhere that could be purchased for parts. The > bank that I work for has two 390's in their Bermuda location. One > production and another for spare parts. The hardware has been completely > off maintenance for two years and the software hadn't been upgraded for > something like 5 years. The only application that runs on it is the core > banking system which is also about 5 versions of updates behind. If it > shuts down the bank is dead. It's a mess to say the least. > > The bank has hired EDS to convert us to a new, Group wide, core banking > system but we have to keep the old 390 running until the conversion is > complete. Probably a year away at a minimum. What we're trying to do is > find another machine for parts if needed and a team of 3 guys (knowledgable > in VSE) that are willing to work to upgrade one machine's operating software > and the application software in stages to bring it to the last stable > version. I figure that if no one bothers this team and they have free run > to do what they need to do and buy what they need, this could be done in > about 3 1/2 months. But you know me, I'm always optimistic. I > anticipate > that the bank would be willing to pay $400 per hour per person plus > expenses (living & travel) to make this happen, plus a finders fee for the > person that puts the deal together. > > Let me know if you know of anyone interested or if you know of any old > hardware sitting somewhere that needs moving and we'll be all over it. > Looking forward to hearing from you. Talk soon. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:37:02 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:37:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Message-ID: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> Trying to get an XP system connected via wireless adapter and router. We had one connected and it worked fine. This one is really being a pia... It's asking for a network key -- how do I determine the network key? I don't remember creating one, but it's possible that I did. Or, if the system generates it, how can I find it? I'm at a total loss. Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:44:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:44:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP (basic standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk and reinstall it. If you cannot get the key you will not get it. It will not be "found". Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody may be able to correct me. If you have a manual you may find what the default key is set to and try that. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 02 June 2009 20:37 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Trying to get an XP system connected via wireless adapter and router. We had one connected and it worked fine. This one is really being a pia... It's asking for a network key -- how do I determine the network key? I don't remember creating one, but it's possible that I did. Or, if the system generates it, how can I find it? I'm at a total loss. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jun 2 14:46:26 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:46:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? In-Reply-To: <4a2559db.09135e0a.55d6.ffffd0b9@mx.google.com> References: <57C5B04AF7ED4059A5DE505D861DA05F@SusanOne><2BD89CF688074D1F842695AFF80D694C@creativesystemdesigns.com><007e01c9dee7$87f03d90$97d0b8b0$@net><00ba01c9deec$0bfd2f40$23f78dc0$@net><00fa01c9def0$9df8dee0$d9ea9ca0$@net><3EE6D3098D4E49B5A7EDCB2C5B4D863F@creativesystemdesigns.com><075201c9e2e1$4ada76c0$e08f6440$@net><07e301c9e2ef$81d1c800$85755800$@net> <4a2559db.09135e0a.55d6.ffffd0b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Fraid not. Wouldn't mind sitting next to him so much if he was female! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 02 June 2009 17:57 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? >> The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of >> DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( That would make the student circa 11 years before memory kicked in. Bet the student is a female then.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 02 June 2009 14:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] nice short term job opportunity - anyone interested? God, I feel young. My first "PC" ran DOS 5.x with Windows 3.1 (I believe on an Amstrad PC1512, with 512k of RAM), which we then upgraded to 3.11 (around 1991/1992). I remember my dad's first 286, and the upgrade to the 40mb hard drive... Saw my first Pentium in 1996, and have followed Moore's Law since then. I'm currently using a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of RAM... Can't wait to see the entry level models in 5 years :-) The 21 year old "IT" student sitting next to me has never heard of DOS, and doesn't remember anything before Windows 98 :-( Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 2 14:48:44 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:48:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:37 PM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Trying to get an XP system connected via wireless adapter and router. We had one connected and it worked fine. This one is really being a pia... It's asking for a network key -- how do I determine the network key? I don't remember creating one, but it's possible that I did. Or, if the system generates it, how can I find it? I'm at a total loss. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jun 2 14:51:01 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:51:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> Message-ID: Susan, What brand wireless router Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:37 PM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Trying to get an XP system connected via wireless adapter and router. We had one connected and it worked fine. This one is really being a pia... It's asking for a network key -- how do I determine the network key? I don't remember creating one, but it's possible that I did. Or, if the system generates it, how can I find it? I'm at a total loss. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:02:50 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:02:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne><008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> Message-ID: Belkin Susan H. > Susan, > What brand wireless router > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:49 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the > bottom of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:37 PM > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > Trying to get an XP system connected via wireless adapter and router. We > had > > one connected and it worked fine. This one is really being a pia... > > It's asking for a network key -- how do I determine the network key? I > don't > > remember creating one, but it's possible that I did. Or, if the system > generates it, how can I find it? > > I'm at a total loss. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:04:32 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> Message-ID: <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom > of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. =======Under the Serial No: is the following IC: 3623A-blah, blah, blah Would that be it? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:06:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:06:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> > Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP (basic > standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). > If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk and > reinstall it. > If you cannot get the key you will not get it. It will not be "found". > > Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody may > be > able to correct me. If you have a manual you may find what the default > key > is set to and try that. ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't work. Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router too? Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 2 15:28:37 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:28:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> Message-ID: Why not just reset the router and stick a label with the new WEP/WAP code, along with username and password, on the router and this problem will never happen again. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom > of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. =======Under the Serial No: is the following IC: 3623A-blah, blah, blah Would that be it? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:33:06 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:33:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> Message-ID: <7E724E6F218749628462C1746D570D64@SusanOne> Interestingly, Bill typed in the name of the network and it took it... how odd is that? Whether it'll work or not remains to be seen. Susan H. > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom > of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:47:54 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:47:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Message-ID: Got it -- they shouldn't allow me near this stuff. :( I wrote it down in the little book that I use to keep all that stuff -- I have no recollection of doing it, but I did. Susan H. > Um...no... > > Susan H. >> Interestingly, Bill typed in the name of the network and it took it... >> how odd is that? Whether it'll work or not remains to be seen. > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:53:03 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:53:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: what was it? You can tell me...honest Max On 6/2/09, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Got it -- they shouldn't allow me near this stuff. :( > > I wrote it down in the little book that I use to keep all that stuff -- I > have no recollection of doing it, but I did. > > Susan H. > > > Um...no... > > > > Susan H. > > >> Interestingly, Bill typed in the name of the network and it took it... > >> how odd is that? Whether it'll work or not remains to be seen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jun 2 16:21:32 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:21:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne><4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> Message-ID: <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> I read in the instructions once for one of my routers that it had a reset button that set it back to factory spec including wiping out the WEP. It may be a small button you need to poke with a paper clip. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP > (basic > standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). > If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk > and reinstall it. > If you cannot get the key you will not get it. It will not be "found". > > Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody > may be able to correct me. If you have a manual you may find what the > default key is set to and try that. ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't work. Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router too? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 16:27:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:27:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne><4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a259952.0405560a.160a.247f@mx.google.com> I think you are right there Rocky. However, Susan has solved it. Glad you are back home safe... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 02 June 2009 22:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble I read in the instructions once for one of my routers that it had a reset button that set it back to factory spec including wiping out the WEP. It may be a small button you need to poke with a paper clip. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP > (basic > standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). > If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk > and reinstall it. > If you cannot get the key you will not get it. It will not be "found". > > Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody > may be able to correct me. If you have a manual you may find what the > default key is set to and try that. ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't work. Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router too? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jun 2 16:30:15 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:30:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <4a259952.0405560a.160a.247f@mx.google.com> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne><4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne><35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> <4a259952.0405560a.160a.247f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <282CF6C700B1401BA882CC9B8E845AAE@HAL9005> I only went to lunch with a friend. But I appreciate the concern. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble I think you are right there Rocky. However, Susan has solved it. Glad you are back home safe... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 02 June 2009 22:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble I read in the instructions once for one of my routers that it had a reset button that set it back to factory spec including wiping out the WEP. It may be a small button you need to poke with a paper clip. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP > (basic > standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). > If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk > and reinstall it. > If you cannot get the key you will not get it. It will not be "found". > > Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody > may be able to correct me. If you have a manual you may find what the > default key is set to and try that. ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't work. Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router too? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:35:01 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:35:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> Message-ID: My router will show the WPA shared key once you log into it as admin. I wrote the key on the manual and in my black book of system passwords and such. GK On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I read in the instructions once for one of my routers that it had a reset > button that set it back to factory spec including wiping out the WEP. ?It > may be a small button you need to poke with a paper clip. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > > >> Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP >> (basic >> standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). >> If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk >> and reinstall it. >> If you cannot get the key you will not get it. ?It will not be "found". >> >> Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody >> may be able to correct me. ?If you have a manual you may find what the >> default key is set to and try that. > > ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When > installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is > possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- > I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't > work. > > Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router > too? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:40:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:40:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a25aa7b.0637560a.6fcc.ffff9c37@mx.google.com> Why not write it on the base of the router? Who is going to see it? If it is 12345 write it as 54321 and confuse yourself. LOL Going to bed now. 11.40pm here Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 02 June 2009 23:35 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble My router will show the WPA shared key once you log into it as admin. I wrote the key on the manual and in my black book of system passwords and such. GK On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I read in the instructions once for one of my routers that it had a reset > button that set it back to factory spec including wiping out the WEP. ?It > may be a small button you need to poke with a paper clip. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > > >> Assuming it has been installed by you, you would have created a WEP >> (basic >> standard) key 5-13 ascii characters (there are higher levels). >> If you didn't install it then you need to get the installation disk >> and reinstall it. >> If you cannot get the key you will not get it. ?It will not be "found". >> >> Having said all that, there are some clever guys on here and somebody >> may be able to correct me. ?If you have a manual you may find what the >> default key is set to and try that. > > ===========When installing the router, it didn't ask for a key. When > installing the adapter the first time around (on a different system), it is > possible that I entered a key, but I can't find it written down anywhere -- > I have a pw that I use for everything (I know, I know...) and it doesn't > work. > > Are you saying I need to start over from scratch and reinstall the router > too? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:53:37 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:53:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: Message-ID: <1C55B72C15554AC3AB22BF698F02429D@SusanOne> I forgot already! ;) Susan H. > what was it? > > You can tell me...honest > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:56:39 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:56:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne><4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com><6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne><35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> Message-ID: My router will show the WPA shared key once you log into it as admin. ======I don't think I know how to do that -- are you talking about online using the ip address? Maybe ip is the wrong term... seriously -- they shouldn't let me near this stuff. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 2 18:01:49 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:01:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> Message-ID: <00ba01c9e3d6$1c882240$559866c0$@net> Don't think so. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom > of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. =======Under the Serial No: is the following IC: 3623A-blah, blah, blah Would that be it? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jun 2 18:02:29 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:02:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> Message-ID: <00e401c9e3d6$348381f0$9d8a85d0$@net> Ditto. You don't have to reinstall anything, unless you want to. Just reset the unit. To reconfigure it once you reset the unit then do Start | Run | CMD {enter} Then type ipconfig {enter} Open IE and type the default gateway number (listed in the results of the ipconfig command) into the address bar of IE. The config screen should come up for the Router/Wireless/etc. If it asks for a login/password I think the belkin is admin/password or admin blank. But if it isn't then it should also be listed in either the little manual that came with it or on the unit itself. Best bet though is to put Belkin Model so and so's default login and password into Google. That normally leads to the answer quite quickly. If you're neighbors aren't too close you don't really need a password. If they are make it something simple that you can remember or like Jim suggested-print it on a label and stick it to the device. I also use labels to identify all of those electrical supplies that everything had these days. That way I don't have to read the fine print to figure it out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble Why not just reset the router and stick a label with the new WEP/WAP code, along with username and password, on the router and this problem will never happen again. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the bottom > of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. =======Under the Serial No: is the following IC: 3623A-blah, blah, blah Would that be it? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jun 2 18:11:14 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:11:14 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne>, Message-ID: <4A25B192.29461.4E6C2DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Correct ( and IP address is the right term). Enter the IP address of the router in your web browser and you should be able log in to a "Control Panel" which lets you configure the router/wap - as long as you know the username/password for it. If you haven't set your own username/password, the default one will be in the router manual. On 2 Jun 2009 at 18:56, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > My router will show the WPA shared key once you log into it as admin. > > ======I don't think I know how to do that -- are you talking about online > using the ip address? Maybe ip is the wrong term... seriously -- they > shouldn't let me near this stuff. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 18:13:02 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:13:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <008d01c9e3bb$23c592b0$6b50b810$@net> <3DE55C94E5BC48319864857ED3808D72@SusanOne> <00e401c9e3d6$348381f0$9d8a85d0$@net> Message-ID: <58CA059DEB8B4AD893931693790F97EF@SusanOne> The real problem is that I just don't remember creating a key for it -- obviously I did, but ... Anyway, on a lark, I got out my password book and yelp... there it was. Now, why I didn't think of that a few hours ago, I just don't know... I do remember working online using the gateway number (couldn't remember that term) -- but I just don't remember creating any key! Can I stop now???? :) I've embarrassed myself enough for today -- but folks -- stay tuned tomorrow! Susan H. > Ditto. You don't have to reinstall anything, unless you want to. Just > reset > the unit. > To reconfigure it once you reset the unit then do Start | Run | CMD > {enter} > Then type ipconfig {enter} > Open IE and type the default gateway number (listed in the results of the > ipconfig command) into the address bar of IE. The config screen should > come > up for the Router/Wireless/etc. If it asks for a login/password I think > the > belkin is admin/password or admin blank. But if it isn't then it should > also > be listed in either the little manual that came with it or on the unit > itself. Best bet though is to put Belkin Model so and so's default login > and > password into Google. That normally leads to the answer quite quickly. > > If you're neighbors aren't too close you don't really need a password. If > they are make it something simple that you can remember or like Jim > suggested-print it on a label and stick it to the device. I also use > labels > to identify all of those electrical supplies that everything had these > days. > That way I don't have to read the fine print to figure it out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:29 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > Why not just reset the router and stick a label with the new WEP/WAP code, > along with username and password, on the router and this problem will > never > happen again. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble > > > >> Generally if the WAP comes with a network key it is recorded on the >> bottom >> of the unit by the serial number. Some use the serial number too. > > =======Under the Serial No: is the following > > IC: 3623A-blah, blah, blah > > Would that be it? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 21:37:31 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:37:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless trouble In-Reply-To: References: <616CB2CD26D243D4A97EA0F797562FD0@SusanOne> <4a258105.0405560a.6df9.6361@mx.google.com> <6ED9BFC748C34D0DA8AC43135FB8BF08@SusanOne> <35B8DB26A4CA448694E5B1CA7C1D0B6A@HAL9005> Message-ID: Yes. If I type in a certain IP address in a browser on a pc connected to the router it comes up with configuration info and lets me make changes etc. I have Linksys though. GK On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > My router will show the WPA shared key once you log into it as admin. > > ======I don't think I know how to do that -- are you talking about online > using the ip address? Maybe ip is the wrong term... seriously -- they > shouldn't let me near this stuff. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 05:38:44 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:38:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Short Cut Keys for Templates Message-ID: Susan, Apologies for delay. The short cut sofware I was talking about is called ShortKeys. The lite version is free. They are on www.shortkeys.com. Max From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:08:07 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:08:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Short Cut Keys for Templates References: Message-ID: <9438FBEFD5A74B2F95AFF3A593905B24@SusanOne> Thanks Max, I'll take a look! Susan H. > Susan, > > Apologies for delay. The short cut sofware I was talking about is called > ShortKeys. The lite version is free. They are on www.shortkeys.com. > > Max > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jun 3 11:26:06 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:26:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A26A41E.3020602@torchlake.com> Susan, Using the old-fashioned way, I typed Then I selected the entry, chose Insert > AutoText > New and gave it the name Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following a > lot -- > > > > > > > > > > If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:33:20 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:33:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question References: <4A26A41E.3020602@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Shown up... busted... humiliated... ;) Thanks Tina -- I just never even thought of doing it that way -- I was trying to enter it via the AutoText dialog box. Sounds like a tip to me! Tina, you'll be famous!!! ;) > Susan, > Using the old-fashioned way, I typed > > > > > > Then I selected the entry, chose Insert > AutoText > New and gave it the > name > Next, I typed get it to automatically fill in the rest of the entry. But the F3 combo works. > > Hope this helps, > T > > Susan Harkins wrote: >> Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following >> a >> lot -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing > > macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. >> >> Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jun 3 14:36:49 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:36:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question In-Reply-To: References: <4A26A41E.3020602@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4A26D0D1.1000302@torchlake.com> Cool! T Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Shown up... busted... humiliated... ;) > > Thanks Tina -- I just never even thought of doing it that way -- I was > trying to enter it via the AutoText dialog box. > > Sounds like a tip to me! Tina, you'll be famous!!! ;) > > > >> Susan, >> Using the old-fashioned way, I typed >> >> >> >> >> >> Then I selected the entry, chose Insert > AutoText > New and gave it the >> name > >> Next, I typed > get it to automatically fill in the rest of the entry. But the > F3 combo works. >> >> Hope this helps, >> T >> >> Susan Harkins wrote: >> >>> Can you include a line return in an AutoText entry? I type the following >>> a >>> lot -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If I could get Autotext to complete these entries by simply typing >> >> macros if I have to, but thought AutoText the easiest route. >>> >>> Susan H. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 14:38:58 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:38:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word AutoText question References: <4A26A41E.3020602@torchlake.com> <4A26D0D1.1000302@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <95892BC673474AE0BD5C1792345399B3@SusanOne> You'll see the link of facebook -- probably next Wednesday. :) Susan H. > Cool! >> Sounds like a tip to me! Tina, you'll be famous!!! ;) >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 06:50:31 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:50:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Message-ID: Rocky, you were concerned about cpu usage a day or so ago. This link shows how to monitor disk usage / thrashing etc. You may be able to use it to show what processes are using the cpu. watch for word wrap http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1213&tag=nl.e064 max From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Jun 4 07:56:29 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:56:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PP question In-Reply-To: <4B5706E5676B4EDEAF26ADC0AB8D32CF@SusanOne> References: <4B5706E5676B4EDEAF26ADC0AB8D32CF@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A27C47D.4040308@torchlake.com> Hi Susan, You have to have two monitors (or your monitor and a projector), and your computer has to be set for dual monitor support. Then, in the 'Set Up Show' dialog box, check Show Presenter View, select which screen will see the slide show and which screen will show the presenter view. T Susan Harkins wrote: > Regarding a PowerPoint presentation: > > Is there a way to show the slideshow to the audience and at the same view > all the slides, or at least the next few on my monitor? I want to see > what's up next without the audience seeing it. It seems like I've done this > before. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 4 09:09:19 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:09:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Max: Good link. I was using the task manager to find out who was hogging the cpu - it was my firewall. Don't know why. I've used the TM to find out what processes were running and clean out the unnecessary ones. Any process you don't know you can paste into a Google search and find out. Right now I have 46 processes running but most of them take 0 cpu. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Rocky, you were concerned about cpu usage a day or so ago. This link shows how to monitor disk usage / thrashing etc. You may be able to use it to show what processes are using the cpu. watch for word wrap http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1213&tag=nl.e064 max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 4 09:38:22 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:38:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> Try Process Explorer and Autoruns from Microsoft. They work together if you have them both. Like Task Manager on Steroids. In fact one option allows you to replace TM with PE. Right click menu has a number of helpful options one being Search Online (which uses your browser's default search engine). Autoruns is a startup manager that shows you everything that is automatically starting on your PC each time. Right Click to Process Explorer is very helpful at times. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx Very highly recommended, I use these everyday on every computer I work on. No installation, I have them on my USB stick. On my own PCs I place them in Windows\System32\ and then make a shortcut to those on my Start Menu/Desktop -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Max: Good link. I was using the task manager to find out who was hogging the cpu - it was my firewall. Don't know why. I've used the TM to find out what processes were running and clean out the unnecessary ones. Any process you don't know you can paste into a Google search and find out. Right now I have 46 processes running but most of them take 0 cpu. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Rocky, you were concerned about cpu usage a day or so ago. This link shows how to monitor disk usage / thrashing etc. You may be able to use it to show what processes are using the cpu. watch for word wrap http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1213&tag=nl.e064 max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 4 10:42:23 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:42:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> Message-ID: Well I got them both and the amount of information is staggering. Second only to the amount of information I didn't understand. :) But they're probably a good thing to have in the back pocket in case of a really odd problem. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 7:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Try Process Explorer and Autoruns from Microsoft. They work together if you have them both. Like Task Manager on Steroids. In fact one option allows you to replace TM with PE. Right click menu has a number of helpful options one being Search Online (which uses your browser's default search engine). Autoruns is a startup manager that shows you everything that is automatically starting on your PC each time. Right Click to Process Explorer is very helpful at times. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx Very highly recommended, I use these everyday on every computer I work on. No installation, I have them on my USB stick. On my own PCs I place them in Windows\System32\ and then make a shortcut to those on my Start Menu/Desktop -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Max: Good link. I was using the task manager to find out who was hogging the cpu - it was my firewall. Don't know why. I've used the TM to find out what processes were running and clean out the unnecessary ones. Any process you don't know you can paste into a Google search and find out. Right now I have 46 processes running but most of them take 0 cpu. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Rocky, you were concerned about cpu usage a day or so ago. This link shows how to monitor disk usage / thrashing etc. You may be able to use it to show what processes are using the cpu. watch for word wrap http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1213&tag=nl.e064 max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 4 11:09:33 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:09:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> Message-ID: <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jun 4 11:16:07 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:16:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> Message-ID: Just to echo what John says, these are great troubleshooting tools, I've used them a lot (in my current job and my last one), and they're on my memory stick of things to fix broken systems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 4 11:40:16 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:40:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> Message-ID: Oh, that's better. Not much in the Logon tab - rdpclip, Userinit Logon, Explorer, Adobe Speed Launch, ArcSoft Connect Daemon, ATICCC for my dual monitors, I think, AVG8_TRAY, Everything(waht a great program that is!), igfpers, IMJPMIG8.1, PHIME, Quick Time Task, Sygate, Sun Java Updater, type32, Outlook, Secunia, ctfmon, and Click Yes. Not a lot. My Winlogon list is even shorter - all Publisher=Microsoft except for one AVG and one ATI (dual monitors). Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:40:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:40:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> Message-ID: <4a27f901.01145e0a.37d7.5bbc@mx.google.com> Shame you're not nearer to Derby, Jon. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 04 June 2009 17:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Just to echo what John says, these are great troubleshooting tools, I've used them a lot (in my current job and my last one), and they're on my memory stick of things to fix broken systems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 4 12:10:44 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:10:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> Message-ID: <020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> I recommend unchecking: Adobe Speed Launch, Igfpers (Intel), Quick Time Task, Sun Java Updater, Outlook Don't know what these are Click Yes type32, IMJPMIG8.1, PHIME, ArcSoft Connect Daemon, I recommend uninstalling Secunia and running it from their web site once a week this eliminates the resource drain and eliminates the need for the Quick Time Task and Sun Java Updater items along with Windows Automatic Updates and Adobe Automatic update checking and a few others that I don't remember OTTOMH. I also recommend uninstalling AVG8 and replacing with Vipre or AntiVir. I've had quite a number of problems get through AVG lately. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Oh, that's better. Not much in the Logon tab - rdpclip, Userinit Logon, Explorer, Adobe Speed Launch, ArcSoft Connect Daemon, ATICCC for my dual monitors, I think, AVG8_TRAY, Everything(waht a great program that is!), igfpers, IMJPMIG8.1, PHIME, Quick Time Task, Sygate, Sun Java Updater, type32, Outlook, Secunia, ctfmon, and Click Yes. Not a lot. My Winlogon list is even shorter - all Publisher=Microsoft except for one AVG and one ATI (dual monitors). Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 4 15:40:26 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:40:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <4a27f901.01145e0a.37d7.5bbc@mx.google.com> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <4a27f901.01145e0a.37d7.5bbc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm in NW London, that's just that bit too far to do in a day. I can give you a list of things that I keep on my stick if you like? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 04 June 2009 17:41 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Shame you're not nearer to Derby, Jon. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 04 June 2009 17:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Just to echo what John says, these are great troubleshooting tools, I've used them a lot (in my current job and my last one), and they're on my memory stick of things to fix broken systems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:01:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:01:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <4a27f901.01145e0a.37d7.5bbc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a283638.1c215e0a.18b3.22eb@mx.google.com> Yeah, do that. It would be nice to see the programs you use. Thanks Grew up in Putney - know it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 04 June 2009 21:40 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging I'm in NW London, that's just that bit too far to do in a day. I can give you a list of things that I keep on my stick if you like? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 04 June 2009 17:41 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Shame you're not nearer to Derby, Jon. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 04 June 2009 17:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Just to echo what John says, these are great troubleshooting tools, I've used them a lot (in my current job and my last one), and they're on my memory stick of things to fix broken systems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jun 5 02:59:47 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:59:47 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <4a283638.1c215e0a.18b3.22eb@mx.google.com> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <4a27f901.01145e0a.37d7.5bbc@mx.google.com> <4a283638.1c215e0a.18b3.22eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Only from the Boat Race, never been there myself :-) On my memory stick I have the following: Process Explorer Startup.exe (similar to autoruns, but a much nicer interface) Vipre (very good antivirus and antispyware) Zonealarm (Free version of the firewall) Trojan Hunter (good for rooting out those little nasties that traditional AV's don't find) XP SP2 XP SP3 Vista SP1 Office 2003 SP3 IE7 IE8 Windows Installer 3.1 I used to have Stinger, Ad-Aware and Spybot, but I've found over the last 6 months that I just don't need them any more, since I installed Vipre, it's THAT good. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Yeah, do that. It would be nice to see the programs you use. Thanks Grew up in Putney - know it? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 04 June 2009 21:40 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging I'm in NW London, that's just that bit too far to do in a day. I can give you a list of things that I keep on my stick if you like? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 04 June 2009 17:41 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Shame you're not nearer to Derby, Jon. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 04 June 2009 17:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging Just to echo what John says, these are great troubleshooting tools, I've used them a lot (in my current job and my last one), and they're on my memory stick of things to fix broken systems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). That removes most of it from the list. The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned off you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave behind a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run CCleaner and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for items entered by malware. If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it dies-pronto! SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this thread. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 03:13:09 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:13:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: <020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> Message-ID: ClickYes is one of the loveliest programs ever written, you will not appreciate it until you need it, but when you need it, you will love it. http://www.contextmagic.com/express-clickyes/ Mark 2009/6/4 John Bartow > I recommend unchecking: > Adobe Speed Launch, > Igfpers (Intel), > Quick Time Task, > Sun Java Updater, > Outlook > > Don't know what these are > Click Yes > type32, > IMJPMIG8.1, > PHIME, > ArcSoft Connect Daemon, > > I recommend uninstalling Secunia and running it from their web site once a > week this eliminates the resource drain and eliminates the need for the > Quick Time Task and Sun Java Updater items along with Windows Automatic > Updates and Adobe Automatic update checking and a few others that I don't > remember OTTOMH. > > I also recommend uninstalling AVG8 and replacing with Vipre or AntiVir. > I've > had quite a number of problems get through AVG lately. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:40 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging > > Oh, that's better. > > Not much in the Logon tab - rdpclip, Userinit Logon, Explorer, Adobe Speed > Launch, ArcSoft Connect Daemon, ATICCC for my dual monitors, I think, > AVG8_TRAY, Everything(waht a great program that is!), igfpers, IMJPMIG8.1, > PHIME, Quick Time Task, Sygate, Sun Java Updater, type32, Outlook, Secunia, > ctfmon, and Click Yes. > > Not a lot. My Winlogon list is even shorter - all Publisher=Microsoft > except for one AVG and one ATI (dual monitors). > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:10 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging > > The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? > > Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). > That removes most of it from the list. > > The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned > off > you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those > are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. > > The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need > because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave > behind > a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if > nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run > CCleaner > and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) > that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. > > The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for > items entered by malware. > > If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is > also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility > using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a > security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process > there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it > dies-pronto! > > SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file > monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this > thread. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Jun 5 08:46:57 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> Message-ID: <00d601c9e5e4$1852bef0$48f83cd0$@net> Thanks, amazing, very nice niche product. Isn't it great how Microsoft can create the need for nitch products, for a "feature" that in the overall scheme of things serves no purpose in the first place? I have to wonder, how many spammers were stopped by the ridiculous "security" features of Outlook that this product is used to bypass? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging ClickYes is one of the loveliest programs ever written, you will not appreciate it until you need it, but when you need it, you will love it. http://www.contextmagic.com/express-clickyes/ Mark 2009/6/4 John Bartow > I recommend unchecking: > Adobe Speed Launch, > Igfpers (Intel), > Quick Time Task, > Sun Java Updater, > Outlook > > Don't know what these are > Click Yes > type32, > IMJPMIG8.1, > PHIME, > ArcSoft Connect Daemon, > > I recommend uninstalling Secunia and running it from their web site once a > week this eliminates the resource drain and eliminates the need for the > Quick Time Task and Sun Java Updater items along with Windows Automatic > Updates and Adobe Automatic update checking and a few others that I don't > remember OTTOMH. > > I also recommend uninstalling AVG8 and replacing with Vipre or AntiVir. > I've > had quite a number of problems get through AVG lately. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:40 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging > > Oh, that's better. > > Not much in the Logon tab - rdpclip, Userinit Logon, Explorer, Adobe Speed > Launch, ArcSoft Connect Daemon, ATICCC for my dual monitors, I think, > AVG8_TRAY, Everything(waht a great program that is!), igfpers, IMJPMIG8.1, > PHIME, Quick Time Task, Sygate, Sun Java Updater, type32, Outlook, Secunia, > ctfmon, and Click Yes. > > Not a lot. My Winlogon list is even shorter - all Publisher=Microsoft > except for one AVG and one ATI (dual monitors). > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:10 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Disk Hogging > > The AutoRuns list is eye opening isn't it? > > Go to the options menu and check hide Windows Entries. Click Refresh (F5). > That removes most of it from the list. > > The Logon tab is what is most user friendly. With Windows entries turned > off > you can uncheck most any item and it will not cause problems. Most of those > are auto update features for add-ins, system tray icons programs and such. > > The other items can be checked for trace items that you know you don't need > because you unistalled something. For instance Norton products leave > behind > a number of services and drivers. You can uncheck these and restart if > nothing barks (it won't) at you then delete them. Once deleted, run > CCleaner > and it will remove a whole slew of crap (CCleaner stands for Crap Cleaner) > that was left behind on disk and in registry because of those entries. > > The previously mentioned tabs and WinLogon are tabs to look through for > items entered by malware. > > If you adjust what you see in Process Explorer (via the View Menu) it is > also very eye-opening. How much memory is that simple "little" free utility > using? Also handy for checking on how much memory all of the processes of a > security application is using - min/max/ave. And when you kill a process > there it will not sit around and decide if it wants to comply, it > dies-pronto! > > SysInternals also has many other utilities like this - all free - file > monitoring would be another useful one for the original purpose of this > thread. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:00:08 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:00:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue Message-ID: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> I recently moved and have since attempted to re-setup my KOSS 4.1 speaker system. It's not fancy, in fact it cost less than $100 and that was years ago, but it does have 4 little speakers and a boom box thingie. Since re-set-uping the unit, the left speaker seems to have almost no juice. The right speaker plays fine and the left, if I hold it close to my ear, is emitting sound, but far too little. There are no readily apparent nobs with which to adust this imbalance. Anyone got a suggestion? If it matters, I'm running Vista. Thanks, A. From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jun 5 18:20:35 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Try switching the left and right speakers to see if it's the source or the speaker. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue I recently moved and have since attempted to re-setup my KOSS 4.1 speaker system. It's not fancy, in fact it cost less than $100 and that was years ago, but it does have 4 little speakers and a boom box thingie. Since re-set-uping the unit, the left speaker seems to have almost no juice. The right speaker plays fine and the left, if I hold it close to my ear, is emitting sound, but far too little. There are no readily apparent nobs with which to adust this imbalance. Anyone got a suggestion? If it matters, I'm running Vista. Thanks, A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:54:14 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:54:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906051654k3a95cce0kcd34b93921861b60@mail.gmail.com> Good idea! I shall try that immediately. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Try switching the left and right speakers to see if it's the source or the > speaker. > > Dan > > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jun 5 20:16:10 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:16:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A29C35A.3050803@earthlink.net> Years old setups develop increased resistance at connection points. Try cleaning them off or re-soldering, whichever applies. P. Arthur Fuller wrote: > I recently moved and have since attempted to re-setup my KOSS 4.1 speaker > system. It's not fancy, in fact it cost less than $100 and that was years > ago, but it does have 4 little speakers and a boom box thingie. Since > re-set-uping the unit, the left speaker seems to have almost no juice. The > right speaker plays fine and the left, if I hold it close to my ear, is > emitting sound, but far too little. There are no readily apparent nobs with > which to adust this imbalance. > > Anyone got a suggestion? If it matters, I'm running Vista. > > Thanks, > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2156 - Release Date: 06/05/09 06:24:00 > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 05:39:51 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 05:39:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd try to unplug and replug all the wires a couple times. If that doesn't help, perhaps some spray contact cleaner would give it a better contact. GK On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I recently moved and have since attempted to re-setup my KOSS 4.1 speaker > system. It's not fancy, in fact it cost less than $100 and that was years > ago, but it does have 4 little speakers and a boom box thingie. Since > re-set-uping the unit, the left speaker seems to have almost no juice. The > right speaker plays fine and the left, if I hold it close to my ear, is > emitting sound, but far too little. There are no readily apparent nobs with > which to adust this imbalance. > > Anyone got a suggestion? If it matters, I'm running Vista. > > Thanks, > A. -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 07:20:16 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:20:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] KOSS Speaker Issue In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906051600h6f1088e6t276b39e26b87cb38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906060520i1990a503oee723b0fe612b51c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Gary. I'll give that a shot. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > I'd try to unplug and replug all the wires a couple times. If that > doesn't help, perhaps some spray contact cleaner would give it a > better contact. > > GK > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 8 22:03:51 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:03:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security flaw used on the weekeend In-Reply-To: References: <014401c9e522$1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net> <01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net> <020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> Message-ID: <1B19BF3E3D744402BFAA40F98D93259F@creativesystemdesigns.com> This weekeend was busy but some companies may not have been so today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/08/webhost_attack Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 09:31:11 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:31:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above text at the beginning of a document Message-ID: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> I often copy tables into an empty Word document. Then, I want to position the cursor at the very beginning of that table and push it down a few lines and I can't figure out how to do it. There must be a way. If you've got one, I'll probably write it up and give you credit in my TR Office blog. No money in it -- it's a blog... but fun just the same. You can impress your boss, your wife/husband, your kids, your dog... ;) Tina's tip on multi-line AutoText entries from last week is up today. Thanks Tina! Thanks! Susan H. From djkr at msn.com Wed Jun 10 10:33:33 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:33:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above textat the beginning of a document In-Reply-To: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> Message-ID: Susan Ctrl+Home Enter OK? :-) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 10 June 2009 15:31 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above textat the beginning of a document I often copy tables into an empty Word document. Then, I want to position the cursor at the very beginning of that table and push it down a few lines and I can't figure out how to do it. There must be a way. If you've got one, I'll probably write it up and give you credit in my TR Office blog. No money in it -- it's a blog... but fun just the same. You can impress your boss, your wife/husband, your kids, your dog... ;) Tina's tip on multi-line AutoText entries from last week is up today. Thanks Tina! Thanks! Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 10:33:56 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:33:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above text at the beginning of a document In-Reply-To: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> References: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906100833o3b0ca4f5tc23fdbc411c8259b@mail.gmail.com> The only way that I've found to do this is to insert the carriage returns first and then copy the table. I too have tried dozens of other approaches and not yet found what you're looking for. A. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I often copy tables into an empty Word document. Then, I want to position > the cursor at the very beginning of that table and push it down a few lines > and I can't figure out how to do it. There must be a way. If you've got > one, > I'll probably write it up and give you credit in my TR Office blog. No > money > in it -- it's a blog... but fun just the same. You can impress your boss, > your wife/husband, your kids, your dog... ;) > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 10:36:23 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:36:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line abovetextat the beginning of a document References: Message-ID: Oh my... it works! Thank you!!! I will definitely write this one up -- thank you a bazillion times! Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJK(John) Robinson" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line abovetextat the beginning of a document > Susan > > Ctrl+Home > Enter > > OK? :-) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 10 June 2009 15:31 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above > textat > the beginning of a document > > > I often copy tables into an empty Word document. Then, I want to position > the cursor at the very beginning of that table and push it down a few > lines > and I can't figure out how to do it. There must be a way. If you've got > one, > > I'll probably write it up and give you credit in my TR Office blog. No > money > > in it -- it's a blog... but fun just the same. You can impress your boss, > your wife/husband, your kids, your dog... ;) > > Tina's tip on multi-line AutoText entries from last week is up today. > Thanks > > Tina! > > > > Thanks! > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 10:37:47 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:37:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line abovetext at the beginning of a document References: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0906100833o3b0ca4f5tc23fdbc411c8259b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Me too Arthur -- but John's keystroke works great! Susan H. > The only way that I've found to do this is to insert the carriage returns > first and then copy the table. I too have tried dozens of other approaches > and not yet found what you're looking for. From djkr at msn.com Wed Jun 10 10:48:19 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:48:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a lineabovetextat the beginning of a document In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're welcome, Susan. No dog to impress, but the local feral cats will be astonished - they think I'm just a sucker with food... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 10 June 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a lineabovetextat the beginning of a document Oh my... it works! Thank you!!! I will definitely write this one up -- thank you a bazillion times! Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJK(John) Robinson" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line abovetextat the beginning of a document > Susan > > Ctrl+Home > Enter > > OK? :-) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: 10 June 2009 15:31 > To: DBA Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line above > textat > the beginning of a document > > > I often copy tables into an empty Word document. Then, I want to > position the cursor at the very beginning of that table and push it > down a few lines and I can't figure out how to do it. There must be a > way. If you've got one, > > I'll probably write it up and give you credit in my TR Office blog. No > money > > in it -- it's a blog... but fun just the same. You can impress your > boss, your wife/husband, your kids, your dog... ;) > > Tina's tip on multi-line AutoText entries from last week is up today. > Thanks > > Tina! > > > > Thanks! > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jun 10 12:18:12 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:18:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a lineabovetextat the beginning of a document In-Reply-To: <014801c9e9e2$e0c92890$4201a8c0@dabsight> References: , <014801c9e9e2$e0c92890$4201a8c0@dabsight> Message-ID: <4A2FEAD4.18023.3BB5D6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I don't agree with "pre baiting" - I think it's cheating. When do you declare open season? :-) On 10 Jun 2009 at 16:48, DJK(John) Robinson wrote: > You're welcome, Susan. No dog to impress, but the local feral cats will be > astonished - they think I'm just a sucker with food... > > John > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 07:43:21 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:43:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a line abovetext at the beginning of a document In-Reply-To: References: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> <29f585dd0906100833o3b0ca4f5tc23fdbc411c8259b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Susan, Arthur and John, first of all, I was surprised that Susan could not insert the new line. Then following Arthur's comment, it appears that perhaps she was pasting a table into a new doc. So perhaps that was what was causing the problem. The main reason I am replying here is that it made me smile affectionality as it reminded me of Word Version 2.0 where we have to use the table Split function to get above line one where the table was at line one. While I am not still sure what problem you are having (because I h ave not experienced that since Word 2.0), but does a table split work for y ou? Anway, thanks for reminding me of my early days as a small business where I made money teaching secretaries how to use Word for Windows 2.0 :) those were good days, I would work approx three days per months, and drink beer the other 27 days :) Nowadays, I work 27 days and take care of wife and kids the other days, and zero beer :) I suppose I am happier also nowadays. Mark 2009/6/10 Susan Harkins > Me too Arthur -- but John's keystroke works great! > > Susan H. > > > > The only way that I've found to do this is to insert the carriage returns > > first and then copy the table. I too have tried dozens of other > approaches > > and not yet found what you're looking for. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 09:02:08 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:02:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question about Styles Message-ID: <29f585dd0906110702v71937e75uc88132ea5f1d125c@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying without success to create a dot file formatted like various manuals and PDF files I have seen, and I can't figure out how to do it. The look that I want has a line has headings progressively indented, with the normal text indended even more. That part is easy enough. But I want to add a line above (or below) the headings such that the line runs all the way to the right margin, irrespective of how much text there is. Trying line-above or line-below results in a line exactly as long as the text itself, and that's not what I want. Any ideas how to do this? TIA, Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 11 09:39:37 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:39:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question about Styles Message-ID: <380-220096411143937947@M2W010.mail2web.com> I think if you watch the margin markers at the top of the screen you'll see them moving in and out with the format of the text you're on. So the brute for method would be to put your line in where you want it and move the left margin marker for that line. I'd also try making the line with a specific style and see what happens when you copy and paste it into another part of the doc. How about a drawing or a text box to insert where you want it? Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: Arthur Fuller fuller.artful at gmail.com Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:02:08 -0400 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question about Styles I've been trying without success to create a dot file formatted like various manuals and PDF files I have seen, and I can't figure out how to do it. The look that I want has a line has headings progressively indented, with the normal text indended even more. That part is easy enough. But I want to add a line above (or below) the headings such that the line runs all the way to the right margin, irrespective of how much text there is. Trying line-above or line-below results in a line exactly as long as the text itself, and that's not what I want. Any ideas how to do this? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 10:03:45 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:03:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word quirk driving me nuts -- adding a lineabovetext at the beginning of a document References: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne><29f585dd0906100833o3b0ca4f5tc23fdbc411c8259b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7237F2C362144AEC8310D41A84F558F2@SusanOne> > first of all, I was surprised that Susan could not insert the new line. > Then following Arthur's comment, it appears that perhaps she was pasting a > table into a new doc. So perhaps that was what was causing the problem. =======Right, I paste the table into an otherwise empty document and by default it anchors to the first line and then, you can't get the cursor to the left of it to insert a new line above it. Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 11 12:51:57 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:51:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New interesting software In-Reply-To: References: <5B68367D93634636A6A8BD1658580FF1@SusanOne> Message-ID: There is a bit of interesting software around: First; NUTCH http://lucene.apache.org/nutch/index.html which is an open-source web search piece of software. According to Lucene, it adds web-specifics, such as a crawler, a link-graph database, parsers for HTML and other document formats, etc. Second; there is a Distribution of HADOOP now available at http://developer.yahoo.com. It is being toted as "... framework for running data-intensive applications on large clusters of commodity hardware." It is also supposed to be fully distributive..."It maps data-crunching tasks across distributed machines, splitting them into tiny sub-tasks, before reducing the results into one master calculation." Around this product there is a whole group of spin-off applications. If even comes with a full set of tools for development purposes. This is a super high end OS application and according to product developers, it is capable of splitting a request across 10,000 processor cores; simultaneously. It is also supposed to be 16 times faster than the Google search engine. Third; there is a product called HIVE (http://hadoop.apache.org/hive). According to the web site: HIVE is a data warehouse infrastructure built on top of Hadoop that provides tools to enable easy data summarization, adhoc querying and analysis of large datasets data stored in Hadoop files. It provides a mechanism to put structure on this data and it also provides a simple query language called Hive QL which is based on SQL and which enables users familiar with SQL to query this data. At the same time, this language also allows traditional map/reduce programmers to be able to plug in their custom mappers and reducers to do more sophisticated analysis which may not be supported by the built-in capabilities of the language. Microsoft has also introduced its own parallel or grid processing package called DRYAD http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/Dryad. Dryad is an infrastructure which allows a programmer to use the resources of a computer cluster or a data center for running data-parallel programs. A Dryad programmer can use thousands of machines, each of them with multiple processors or cores, without knowing anything about concurrent programming. It the application has its own programming language called DryadLINQ similar to LINQ. Microsoft has changed much of it attitudes towards the OpenSource community at least on a usage bases. MS has reversed its decision to replace the BE of Hotmail (FreeBSD). BING (http://www.bing.com/) is using much of it code from a recent acquisition of Powerset (http://www.Powerset.com) of which the core is mostly OpenSource and this code relates back to being a original contributor of Hadoop's HBase project... small world. Like Google with its customized/optimized file system or GFS (http://labs.google.com/papers/gfs.html) and its search engine MapReduce (http://labs.google.com/papers/mapreduce.html and http://labs.google.com/papers/mapreduce-osdi04-slides/index.html) both are proprietary systems How performance matches with these applications is going to be interesting to watch... Though it is unlikely that I will have some direct needs to implement this type of software I would very much like to do some serious testing. 8-) Jim From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jun 12 10:24:49 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:24:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question about Styles In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906110702v71937e75uc88132ea5f1d125c@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906110702v71937e75uc88132ea5f1d125c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A327341.1090903@torchlake.com> Hi Arthur, If you use the paragraph border instead, it works just fine. Whatever text you have, the bottom border of the paragraph goes to the margin. T Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've been trying without success to create a dot file formatted like various > manuals and PDF files I have seen, and I can't figure out how to do it. The > look that I want has a line has headings progressively indented, with the > normal text indended even more. That part is easy enough. But I want to add > a line above (or below) the headings such that the line runs all the way to > the right margin, irrespective of how much text there is. Trying line-above > or line-below results in a line exactly as long as the text itself, and > that's not what I want. > > Any ideas how to do this? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:27:42 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Question about Styles In-Reply-To: <4A327341.1090903@torchlake.com> References: <29f585dd0906110702v71937e75uc88132ea5f1d125c@mail.gmail.com> <4A327341.1090903@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906120827x4c6434c1s61c2b417e9a2f4d8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Tina, I'll give that a try right now. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > If you use the paragraph border instead, it works just fine. Whatever > text you have, the bottom border of the paragraph goes to the margin. > > T > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jun 12 10:52:36 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:52:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security flaw used on the weekeend In-Reply-To: <1B19BF3E3D744402BFAA40F98D93259F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <014401c9e522$ 1cefdbe0$56cf93a0$@net><01d601c9e52e$d9e83560$8db8a020$@net><020701c9e537$656a7f50$303f7df0$@net> <1B19BF3E3D744402BFAA40F98D93259F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4A3279C4.9000807@torchlake.com> OMG! T Jim Lawrence wrote: > This weekeend was busy but some companies may not have been so today: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/08/webhost_attack > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 11:16:50 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:16:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Casper and Virtual PC 2007 Message-ID: <39cb22f30906120916l45a827f1x57cf72baa84b25c4@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, Continuing to dabble with Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. I've increased the number of VPCs on my host system steadily. I now have: DOS 6.22 Windows 95B Windows 98SE Windows 2000 Windows XP 32-bit (3 of them) Windows 7 RC 32-bit Windows Server 2003 32-bit I eagerly downloaded the RC for Windows Server 2008 R2, but the installation routine says I need a 64-bit environment. With Virtual PC 2007, I can't create a 64-bit virtual PC even though my host OS is Windows XP x64. Oh, well. Anyway, one of the XP 32-bit VPCs is the one I managed to create from an existing XP system after much labor. My goal was to NOT have to re-install any of the software from this existing system which was about 8 old. But I made the mistake of making the hard disk the same size as the original: 20 GB. It has about 25% free space on it and I couldn't figure out how to convert the "fixed" virtual hard disk to a "dynamic". But then I remembered some other discussions about VPC on OT where Lembit, I think, said that he used Acronis to copy virtual drives. I use Casper 5.0 and I thought that it wouldn't do the same sort of thing. But then, since I'm still unencumbered with a job, I thought I'd create a new dynamic virtual hard disk with a 60 GB capacity and test whether Casper 5.0 would, indeed, create a bootable copy of my 20 GB virtual hard disk. Right now Casper is cloning the 20 GB virtual drive onto the 60 GB dynamic virtual drive. I don't know yet whether it will actually boot, but I should know if a short while. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.TheTownCrank.com From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 12:05:39 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Casper and Virtual PC 2007 In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30906120916l45a827f1x57cf72baa84b25c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30906120916l45a827f1x57cf72baa84b25c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30906121005r6b904c28h79c0e4a9f9019442@mail.gmail.com> ...and, by God! It worked! I'm sending this Gmail from Google Chrome from inside my newly cloned VPC with 60 GB of space instead of 20. Now, if I can only do what I did with my old-old workstation with my old workstation... Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > Continuing to dabble with Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. ?I've increased > the number of VPCs on my host system steadily. ?I now have: > > DOS 6.22 > Windows 95B > Windows 98SE > Windows 2000 > Windows XP 32-bit (3 of them) > Windows 7 RC 32-bit > Windows Server 2003 32-bit > > I eagerly downloaded the RC for Windows Server 2008 R2, but the > installation routine says I need a 64-bit environment. ?With Virtual > PC 2007, I can't create a 64-bit virtual PC even though my host OS is > Windows XP x64. ?Oh, well. > > Anyway, one of the XP 32-bit VPCs is the one I managed to create from > an existing XP system after much labor. ?My goal was to NOT have to > re-install any of the software from this existing system which was > about 8 old. ?But I made the mistake of making the hard disk the same > size as the original: 20 GB. ?It has about 25% free space on it and I > couldn't figure out how to convert the "fixed" virtual hard disk to a > "dynamic". > > But then I remembered some other discussions about VPC on OT where > Lembit, I think, said that he used Acronis to copy virtual drives. ?I > use Casper 5.0 and I thought that it wouldn't do the same sort of > thing. > > But then, since I'm still unencumbered with a job, I thought I'd > create a new dynamic virtual hard disk with a 60 GB capacity and test > whether Casper 5.0 would, indeed, create a bootable copy of my 20 GB > virtual hard disk. > > Right now Casper is cloning the 20 GB virtual drive onto the 60 GB > dynamic virtual drive. ?I don't know yet whether it will actually > boot, but I should know if a short while. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jun 12 12:57:26 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:57:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Casper and Virtual PC 2007 In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30906121005r6b904c28h79c0e4a9f9019442@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30906120916l45a827f1x57cf72baa84b25c4@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f30906121005r6b904c28h79c0e4a9f9019442@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A329706.80300@torchlake.com> Steve, This is truly great stuff. I'm looking around at all the spare boxen so I can do similar things - put virtual machines everywhere and ghost them. Sounds as though Casper is working well. T Steve Erbach wrote: > ...and, by God! It worked! I'm sending this Gmail from Google Chrome > from inside my newly cloned VPC with 60 GB of space instead of 20. > > Now, if I can only do what I did with my old-old workstation with my > old workstation... > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Dear Group, >> >> Continuing to dabble with Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. I've increased >> the number of VPCs on my host system steadily. I now have: >> >> DOS 6.22 >> Windows 95B >> Windows 98SE >> Windows 2000 >> Windows XP 32-bit (3 of them) >> Windows 7 RC 32-bit >> Windows Server 2003 32-bit >> >> I eagerly downloaded the RC for Windows Server 2008 R2, but the >> installation routine says I need a 64-bit environment. With Virtual >> PC 2007, I can't create a 64-bit virtual PC even though my host OS is >> Windows XP x64. Oh, well. >> >> Anyway, one of the XP 32-bit VPCs is the one I managed to create from >> an existing XP system after much labor. My goal was to NOT have to >> re-install any of the software from this existing system which was >> about 8 old. But I made the mistake of making the hard disk the same >> size as the original: 20 GB. It has about 25% free space on it and I >> couldn't figure out how to convert the "fixed" virtual hard disk to a >> "dynamic". >> >> But then I remembered some other discussions about VPC on OT where >> Lembit, I think, said that he used Acronis to copy virtual drives. I >> use Casper 5.0 and I thought that it wouldn't do the same sort of >> thing. >> >> But then, since I'm still unencumbered with a job, I thought I'd >> create a new dynamic virtual hard disk with a 60 GB capacity and test >> whether Casper 5.0 would, indeed, create a bootable copy of my 20 GB >> virtual hard disk. >> >> Right now Casper is cloning the 20 GB virtual drive onto the 60 GB >> dynamic virtual drive. I don't know yet whether it will actually >> boot, but I should know if a short while. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Erbach >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:30:18 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:30:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS on another port? Message-ID: <29f585dd0906121130h410017d1i93e0e2645c411392@mail.gmail.com> How would I go about configuring IIS to look at a port other than 80? And assuming that I succeed, what else do I have to change to recognize this? (such as SQL Server, etc.) TIA, Arthur From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:33:47 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Casper and Virtual PC 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A329706.80300@torchlake.com> References: <39cb22f30906120916l45a827f1x57cf72baa84b25c4@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f30906121005r6b904c28h79c0e4a9f9019442@mail.gmail.com> <4A329706.80300@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30906121133i7f5444d2waee34067043f615a@mail.gmail.com> Tina, I have to say that Windows XP x64 has been a very good platform for the purpose...especially with 8 GB of RAM! Based on what Drew has said about Virtual Server 2005, I think I may go in that direction to see if I can, indeed, install Windows Server 2008 as a virtual machine since I've got the ISO file for it already. VS 2005 is supposed to take advantage of multiple processors and create separate threads for the virtual machines running at the same time. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Steve, > This is truly great stuff. ?I'm looking around at all the spare boxen so > I can do similar things - put virtual machines everywhere and ghost > them. ?Sounds as though Casper is working well. > T > > Steve Erbach wrote: >> ...and, by God! ?It worked! ?I'm sending this Gmail from Google Chrome >> from inside my newly cloned VPC with 60 GB of space instead of 20. >> >> Now, if I can only do what I did with my old-old workstation with my >> old workstation... >> >> Steve Erbach From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 12 14:38:00 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:38:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS on another port? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906121130h410017d1i93e0e2645c411392@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906121130h410017d1i93e0e2645c411392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83E4F9EE9A274AB8AF2142193CFEBD2E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is this what you are looking for: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/149605 Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS on another port? How would I go about configuring IIS to look at a port other than 80? And assuming that I succeed, what else do I have to change to recognize this? (such as SQL Server, etc.) TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jun 14 18:11:27 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:11:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] History and today In-Reply-To: <4A327341.1090903@torchlake.com> References: <29f585dd0906110702v71937e75uc88132ea5f1d125c@mail.gmail.com> <4A327341.1090903@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <2529D8BEBB164C2C96192D94C2B92692@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is a link to some interesting facts about, how extensions such as com, prn, aux, nul etc., starting 30 plus years ago and are still affecting our web site development. There is probably not one of us who has not been caught, at least once, by this 'legacy' OS support bobby-trap. http://blog.bitquabit.com/2009/06/12/zombie-operating-systems-and-aspnet-mvc Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 20:48:21 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:48:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP system reformatted, can't get online Message-ID: <50834796ADF1412E80F321F6329EA6D4@SusanOne> A friend reformatted XP system -- can't get online. I told him to find his driver disk and then he'd be Okay -- he says there is no driver disk. How can there be no driver disk? How's he going to get online without the right drivers -- does XP reinstall those automatically? The last time I reformatted (and it's been long enough that I just don't remember) I had to reinstall all the drivers from a disk before anything worked right. He's got a 4 year old Gateway -- mine's a bit older, but shouldn't be that different. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 20:51:43 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:51:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: XP system reformatted, can't get online Message-ID: Additional information 4 year old Gateway -- full format, but only has one disk, and that's a recovery disk. Susan H. >A friend reformatted XP system -- can't get online. I told him to find his >driver disk and then he'd be Okay -- he says there is no driver disk. > > How can there be no driver disk? How's he going to get online without the > right drivers -- does XP reinstall those automatically? The last time I > reformatted (and it's been long enough that I just don't remember) I had > to reinstall all the drivers from a disk before anything worked right. > > He's got a 4 year old Gateway -- mine's a bit older, but shouldn't be that > different. > > Susan H. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jun 14 23:04:04 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:04:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: XP system reformatted, can't get online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A35C834.22470.8DBD4D9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Thr "Recovery Disk" for a lot of those systems is actually an XP installation disk which has been "slipstreamed" so that it already contains all of the necessary drivers for the various peripherals (network card, graphics card etc) as well as various bits of software. Did he reformat with the recovery disk or with a vanilla XP installation disk? -- Stuart On 14 Jun 2009 at 21:51, Susan Harkins wrote: > Additional information > > 4 year old Gateway -- full format, but only has one disk, and that's a > recovery disk. > > Susan H. > > > >A friend reformatted XP system -- can't get online. I told him to find his > >driver disk and then he'd be Okay -- he says there is no driver disk. > > > > How can there be no driver disk? How's he going to get online without the > > right drivers -- does XP reinstall those automatically? The last time I > > reformatted (and it's been long enough that I just don't remember) I had > > to reinstall all the drivers from a disk before anything worked right. > > > > He's got a 4 year old Gateway -- mine's a bit older, but shouldn't be that > > different. > > > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jun 15 03:56:09 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:56:09 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] "The publisher could not be verified" prompt running executable from network Message-ID: Hi all Something happened, I think, when upgrading to IE8. The above message now popped up again, very annoying indeed as I had to call the executable with Process.Start from a .Net application. If you google on the message, a lot of suggestions are found. All of these were tried and none helped. They may if you are running a pure Windows environment. If not, no dice. Also a suggestion to create a batch file and run that with command /c can be found and it works, but isn't really convincing. Finally I found this thread with a solution I can confirm: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winvista/1245053922 My issue was that I had put our local server in the area "Sites I trust". I moved it to "Local intranet" and bingo! Read my posted message below. /gustav Just found out that this is the solution too if you are running executables off a Novell NetWare server, like: file://nsbs65 Such a server is not automatically "discovered" as part of your local intranet by Windows. If you don't run in a Windows domain the other method mentioned in this thread about the group policy administrator is of no use, not even with Windows XP Professional. You could copy the executable to the local temp folder and run it from there but that's really a Laurel and Hardy work-around. I've found too, that you can just use Run from the Start menu and the control applet: inetcpl.cpl and - when done - a reboot isn't needed. /gustav On Sunday, March 29, 2009 at 11:28 am, Ray Marron wrote: >On XP Home, open IE7 & go to Tools|Internet Options|Security. Highlight the Local >Intranet zone and click the "Sites" button, then the "Advanced" button. Add an entry >for "file://computername", using the name of the computer you're running stuff from, >e.g. "file://larryXP". Reboot & you won't get those annoying prompts anymore. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 08:32:17 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:32:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: XP system reformatted, can't get online References: <4A35C834.22470.8DBD4D9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <23C627D4143049D0BA07563F118CA056@SusanOne> He says he used a recovery disk -- the one that came with the computer. I have gateways too, and they came with a recovery disk, and it's been a really long time, but I swear... I think I had a driver disk too. Or, is it possible that during the process, you're asked to reinstall drivers? Is that possible? Susan H. > Thr "Recovery Disk" for a lot of those systems is actually an XP > installation disk which has > been "slipstreamed" so that it already contains all of the necessary > drivers for the various > peripherals (network card, graphics card etc) as well as various bits of > software. > > Did he reformat with the recovery disk or with a vanilla XP installation > disk? > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Jun 2009 at 21:51, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Additional information >> >> 4 year old Gateway -- full format, but only has one disk, and that's a >> recovery disk. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >A friend reformatted XP system -- can't get online. I told him to find >> >his >> >driver disk and then he'd be Okay -- he says there is no driver disk. >> > >> > How can there be no driver disk? How's he going to get online without >> > the >> > right drivers -- does XP reinstall those automatically? The last time I >> > reformatted (and it's been long enough that I just don't remember) I >> > had >> > to reinstall all the drivers from a disk before anything worked right. >> > >> > He's got a 4 year old Gateway -- mine's a bit older, but shouldn't be >> > that >> > different. >> > >> > Susan H. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 15 09:48:24 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:48:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Message-ID: <200906151348.n5FDmQck031399@databaseadvisors.com> Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 15 08:54:00 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:54:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair In-Reply-To: <200906151348.n5FDmQck031399@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151348.n5FDmQck031399@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: I just started using the free version of Wise registry cleaner. Don't think it will do repair - seems to mostly delete registry entries that are invalid. But that might work and the price is right: Download from cnet: http://download.cnet.com/Wise-Registry-Cleaner/3000-2086_4-10605508.html Wise's poop sheet: http://free-registry-cleaner.wisecleaner.com/ Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Jun 15 08:55:40 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:55:40 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair In-Reply-To: <200906151348.n5FDmQck031399@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151348.n5FDmQck031399@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 15 10:29:11 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:29:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Message-ID: <200906151429.n5FETDQB009753@databaseadvisors.com> Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permissions-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 15 09:42:22 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:42:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair In-Reply-To: <200906151429.n5FETDQB009753@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151429.n5FETDQB009753@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <03359B0B887A47688B0B94CD71FBCED6@HAL9005> Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 15 10:48:11 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:48:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Message-ID: <200906151448.n5FEmIdv014980@databaseadvisors.com> Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 15 11:06:52 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair In-Reply-To: <200906151448.n5FEmIdv014980@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151448.n5FEmIdv014980@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <54EBC351AA3E429EA46DEE0C1C4D863D@HAL9005> Well, as long as you have the Drive Image you can't do too much damage, right? I mean you can always rewind to the current (broken) state, yes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 15 11:58:19 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:58:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <54EBC351AA3E429EA46DEE0C1C4D863D@HAL9005> Message-ID: For the sake of the archives. It was permissions in the registry which had somehow got messed up. This link tells you how to rest those back to defaults, which worked fine. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313222 Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 15 June 2009 17:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Well, as long as you have the Drive Image you can't do too much damage, right? I mean you can always rewind to the current (broken) state, yes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 12:09:23 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:09:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair - SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <54EBC351AA3E429EA46DEE0C1C4D863D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a368049.0a1ad00a.4bc4.106f@mx.google.com> Good catch Andy Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 15 June 2009 17:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair - SOLVED For the sake of the archives. It was permissions in the registry which had somehow got messed up. This link tells you how to rest those back to defaults, which worked fine. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313222 Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 15 June 2009 17:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Well, as long as you have the Drive Image you can't do too much damage, right? I mean you can always rewind to the current (broken) state, yes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 15 14:55:12 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:55:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is moving to a web based office solution. In-Reply-To: <200906151429.n5FETDQB009753@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151429.n5FETDQB009753@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <7FA2F1FD378A4CA1890FD484A5A11752@creativesystemdesigns.com> It appears that even Microsoft is moving to a fully web based office solution. It is looking like a pretty complete solution. I wonder what the costs will be and whether it is a cheaper and better solution to clients? For details and access to a trial version check the following link: http://www.microsoft.com/online/en-ca/trial.mspx?wt.srch=1# Next is a full database online or will the solutions be integrated with the super object based natural search engines type architecture? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 15 15:18:23 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:18:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair In-Reply-To: <200906151448.n5FEmIdv014980@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200906151448.n5FEmIdv014980@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <506CC398D8384EF69D22028B91FFF385@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Andy: Are you booting DriveImageXML from CD... If not I would suggest that as a backup from CD also captures the complete boot tracks... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 15 15:20:41 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:20:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair - SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <54EBC351AA3E429EA46DEE0C1C4D863D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4FC8ED5CCB6E4C0BBAE5DCD9B6222AE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Perfect Andy... I will save that link for future reference. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair - SOLVED For the sake of the archives. It was permissions in the registry which had somehow got messed up. This link tells you how to rest those back to defaults, which worked fine. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313222 Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 15 June 2009 17:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Well, as long as you have the Drive Image you can't do too much damage, right? I mean you can always rewind to the current (broken) state, yes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Don't trust them. I've had too many occasions when XP sees a restore point but then won't restore from it. So I'm doing an image backup with DriveImage. I fear this could go horribly wrong. But hey what's the worst that can happen? No, don't answer that. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 14:43 Do you have restore points? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Thanks for quick responses Jon & Rocky I don't know what to make of it really. As I say the pc's working fine so I suppose the registry can't be that hosed. But I can't reliably register or unregister anything. Logged on as user 1 I can reg certain DLL's but not others. Logged on as user 2 I can reg the ones user 1 can't but can't reg the ones that user 1 can. !!!!!!!! Tried creating a new user but that doesn't help me - fails the first register I tried. I don't know what to make of it. It smacks to me of a security issue, although then I'd have expected the error to say "You don't have rights to do this" or somesuch. Mmm, looks like my security thing may be right. I've just gone into the registry and indeed the keys are showing with different permissions. For some User 1 has Full Control and user 2's not mentioned. For others vice-versa. Just googled this and http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/reset-the-registry-and-the-file-permission s-in-windows-xp/ recommens using SecEdit to reset reg permissions. Very nervous. Anyone any experience here? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Date: 15/06/09 13:56 Ccleaner is pretty good at cleaning them up, but I don't know about repairing registries... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] XP registry repair Hi all Can anyone recommend a good, safe registry repair tool for XP? I've a machine here that's playing odd. Just trying to upgrade an existing accounts system, which goes fine on all other pc's but on this one it crashes when trying to register certain DLL's and OCX's. And you get a different set of failed files depending which user you're logged on as. There's a variety of messages from "Unspecified error" to "An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers" via "Exception occurred". Pc runs ok otherwise just can't register anything reliably. Thought a reg repairer might help. 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We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user-is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 16 09:29:40 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:29:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav: As the article(s) says it is an issue between older router equipment and Vista. I have a client who has a couple of laptops that use Vista and an older (3 years) wireless router. As soon as both of them try to connect wirelessly connection start dropping. I took the easy way out by just cabling both the offices and suggested that they may look at a new WiFi router in the future. Now only if an individual is wandering around the warehouse doing inventory do they use wireless. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user- is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jun 16 09:39:54 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:39:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP Message-ID: Hi Jim Yes, we will definitely look for a replacement for the DHCP service. Maybe leave the router and fire up the DHCP server of their Windows Server. How about that? We don't use this setup much but why not if that could solve the issue at nearly zero cost. The router is not with WiFi. That is handled with a WiFi bridge. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-06-2009 16:29 >>> Hi Gustav: As the article(s) says it is an issue between older router equipment and Vista. I have a client who has a couple of laptops that use Vista and an older (3 years) wireless router. As soon as both of them try to connect wirelessly connection start dropping. I took the easy way out by just cabling both the offices and suggested that they may look at a new WiFi router in the future. Now only if an individual is wandering around the warehouse doing inventory do they use wireless. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user- is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jun 16 10:02:40 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:02:40 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server Message-ID: Hi all Opera Unite - a sophisticated alternative to Emule and Bittorrent? http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-unite-developer-primer/ Opera Unite is, in short, a Web server running inside the Opera Web browser. This Web server allows the user to install services and share these services with their friends and colleagues (or everyone, if they wish). The interaction is all done via a central Opera Unite server * Opera Unite uses a proxy between the server and its clients (found at operaunite.com) to avoid the need for any special firewall configuration. /gustav From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Tue Jun 16 10:22:40 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:22:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server References: Message-ID: <47749A1AC4BD4A019C491E9A28D9259E@Mattys> Hi Gustav, It seems the server at dev.opera.com doesn't want to serve. What is this new item - in your opinion? Is it something like a Virtual Private Cloud? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server > Hi all > > Opera Unite - a sophisticated alternative to Emule and Bittorrent? > > http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-unite-developer-primer/ > > > Opera Unite is, in short, a Web server running inside the Opera Web > browser. This Web server allows the user to install services and share > these services with their friends and colleagues (or everyone, if they > wish). The interaction is all done via a central Opera Unite server * > Opera Unite uses a proxy between the server and its clients (found at > operaunite.com) to avoid the need for any special firewall configuration. > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 16 10:33:52 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:33:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF538651E804EE791B66F9F85ED6DC4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Wow that looks really neat and I will put aside some time to play with it. The two thoughts I do have are one, it is still very proprietary, as it appears to only work optimally between other Opera browsers and two, unless I missed something, it does not work like Emule or BitTorrent as they use distributive technology to move files very quickly across the web. But I like the streaming technology that it uses and would be interested in seeing if a package like Opera Unite could actually be used to make a desktop computer work like a streaming server. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:03 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server Hi all Opera Unite - a sophisticated alternative to Emule and Bittorrent? http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-unite-developer-primer/ Opera Unite is, in short, a Web server running inside the Opera Web browser. This Web server allows the user to install services and share these services with their friends and colleagues (or everyone, if they wish). The interaction is all done via a central Opera Unite server * Opera Unite uses a proxy between the server and its clients (found at operaunite.com) to avoid the need for any special firewall configuration. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jun 16 10:37:07 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:37:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server Message-ID: Hi Michael To me it looks more like a peer-to-peer web-service setup with the Opera Unite proxy as the central controller (and source for a single point of failure). Much like bittorrent and Napster but with filesharing replaced with web-services. Still thinking on some ideas for this ... /gustav >>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 16-06-2009 17:22 >>> Hi Gustav, It seems the server at dev.opera.com doesn't want to serve. What is this new item - in your opinion? Is it something like a Virtual Private Cloud? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera browser evolves as a multi-node web server > Hi all > > Opera Unite - a sophisticated alternative to Emule and Bittorrent? > > http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-unite-developer-primer/ > > > Opera Unite is, in short, a Web server running inside the Opera Web > browser. This Web server allows the user to install services and share > these services with their friends and colleagues (or everyone, if they > wish). The interaction is all done via a central Opera Unite server * > Opera Unite uses a proxy between the server and its clients (found at > operaunite.com) to avoid the need for any special firewall configuration. > > > /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 16 10:51:47 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:51:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A4879D185DA4DD0B88A1837128024C7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Clients like zero cost. ;-) There are Wi-Fi routers/hubs and there are top of the line systems. I have found that performance, in many case parallels the price. I have clients with some very nice Cisco Wi-Fi hubs/switches and they are rock solid. (They have some great software and when directly connected to a monitoring computer, you can watch performance graphs, see the strength of the connection signal, watch connection strength diminish as the remote moves further away from the receiver etc...) I have found that some inexpensive laptop computers do not connect and stay connected as reliability as some of the better brands... (I tend to recommend Toshiba and higher end Dell and IBM units) On the other hand, my $8.00 Wi-Fi hubs works great... for about 8 meters. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:40 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP Hi Jim Yes, we will definitely look for a replacement for the DHCP service. Maybe leave the router and fire up the DHCP server of their Windows Server. How about that? We don't use this setup much but why not if that could solve the issue at nearly zero cost. The router is not with Wi-Fi. That is handled with a Wi-Fi bridge. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-06-2009 16:29 >>> Hi Gustav: As the article(s) says it is an issue between older router equipment and Vista. I have a client who has a couple of laptops that use Vista and an older (3 years) wireless router. As soon as both of them try to connect wirelessly connection start dropping. I took the easy way out by just cabling both the offices and suggested that they may look at a new Wi-Fi router in the future. Now only if an individual is wandering around the warehouse doing inventory do they use wireless. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user- is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Tue Jun 16 12:10:00 2009 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:10:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Dickford Cohn Donation Fund In-Reply-To: <05bf01c9ee8b$3f2935e0$bd7ba1a0$@net> References: <05bf01c9ee8b$3f2935e0$bd7ba1a0$@net> Message-ID: "We're a family." Members often share that sentiment in their posts. The Database Advisor group is a family. It's obvious in our responses and brief explosions of humor that we care about one another. Dickford Cohn, a member of our family has suffered a great loss. Due to a fire, this member has lost his home and all of his belongings. He recently spent a number of weeks in the hospital, recovering from serious burns. You can read more about his horrific encounter with death in the online article, Hawker dragged from trailer fire. Keys News The DBA Board of Directors recently voted to accept donations from members on Dickford's behalf. The DBA organization will keep nothing for administrative purposes -- we will forward every cent donated to Dickford. >From the time of this message until July 31, 2009, every donation received will go to Dickford Cohn. Make your donation via our existing PayPal account link. 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Due to a fire, this member has lost his home and all of his belongings. He recently spent a number of weeks in the hospital, recovering from serious burns. You can read more about his horrific encounter with death in the online article, Hawker dragged from trailer fire. Keys News ( http://keysnews.com/node/13470 ) The DBA Board of Directors recently voted to accept donations from members on Dickford's behalf. The DBA organization will keep nothing for administrative purposes -- we will forward every cent donated to Dickford. >From the time of this message until July 31, 2009, every donation received will go to Dickford Cohn. Make your donation via our existing PayPal account link ( http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/dickford.asp ). If you prefer snail mail, please send donation to the following address: Database Advisors, Inc. 814 Peppard Drive Bel Air, MD 21014 Please make your check or money order payable to Database Advisors, Inc. As always, donations of any kind are not mandatory for membership. John R. Bartow President Database Advisors, Inc. Email: president at databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jun 16 15:46:13 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:46:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Message-ID: We're doing some heavy processing and were offered a Lenovo w/ Core 2 Quad processor, 8 Gb Ram, 1 Tb hard drive. 2 questions Do you need to have Win XP Pro 64x Edition to make use of the processor? Could you ghost a hard drive from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit one? MTIA Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation New York State OASAS 1450 Western Avenue Albany, NY 12203 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us IMPORTANT: This E-mail may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jun 16 15:56:07 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:56:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: 16 June 2009 21:46 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit We're doing some heavy processing and were offered a Lenovo w/ Core 2 Quad processor, 8 Gb Ram, 1 Tb hard drive. 2 questions Do you need to have Win XP Pro 64x Edition to make use of the processor? Could you ghost a hard drive from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit one? MTIA Ed Edward P. 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E-mails sent from or to NYS OASAS are subject to review by the Agency. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 07:43:25 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:43:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use it all you have to go to the 64 bit version. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), but > you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > Jon > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jun 17 07:53:35 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:53:35 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can't reconnect via DHCP Message-ID: Hi all, a follow-up We equipped a laptop with a fixed IP address but it still failed so we had to look elsewhere than at the DHCP function for the source of error. Further research revealed that those workstations never failing were connected to the right bank of 8 ports of 3 banks in total on a central Dell switch (not delivered by us) while all those that did fail - including the bridge for the WiFi and the workgroup printer - were connected to the left and center bank of ports. Only 7 nodes were attached; moving these to the right bank of ports seems to solve the issue. Fingers crossed. A new HP switch will be set up next week. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 16-06-2009 15:38 >>> Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user-is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 17 10:40:18 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:40:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is lucky that this type of hardware failure is rare. When you posed the question yesterday and said the problem was affecting multiple computers it seemed like it could be the answer... I am glad you discovered the source. I have had similar situations one being a bank and at 5:00AM with some earlier birds (managers, stock-brokers) drifting in... We started checking ports on a switch to find 8 ports on a bank dead. The worse incident was when I was working alone in a casino, clients were starting to pouring in and a couple of monitoring and application stations were refusing to connect... which meant the casino was effectively down... It was discovered that one bank on a switch was going off and on and there was no extra ports. I connected my tester hub to a live port and populated it with links from the defective bank... it worked until a new switch could be acquired... The new switch was rocketed in, with a police escort, in about 15 minutes but that is another story. ;-) Keep your fingers crossed. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:54 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP Hi all, a follow-up We equipped a laptop with a fixed IP address but it still failed so we had to look elsewhere than at the DHCP function for the source of error. Further research revealed that those workstations never failing were connected to the right bank of 8 ports of 3 banks in total on a central Dell switch (not delivered by us) while all those that did fail - including the bridge for the WiFi and the workgroup printer - were connected to the left and center bank of ports. Only 7 nodes were attached; moving these to the right bank of ports seems to solve the issue. Fingers crossed. A new HP switch will be set up next week. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 16-06-2009 15:38 >>> Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user- is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 17 10:46:36 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:46:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If any of you are working with web sites here is a very good summary on the new CSS3 standard. I am not sure whether it is all W3C compliant but most is: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/06/15/take-your-design-to-the-next-leve l-with-css3 Three of the great changes, that are more than overdue are standardized opaque code, curved corners for boxes and multi-columns. Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jun 17 10:56:14 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:56:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP Message-ID: Hi Jim Seems like similar cases, though we don't need a police escort! My colleague will sort this out next week. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 17-06-2009 17:40 >>> It is lucky that this type of hardware failure is rare. When you posed the question yesterday and said the problem was affecting multiple computers it seemed like it could be the answer... I am glad you discovered the source. I have had similar situations one being a bank and at 5:00AM with some earlier birds (managers, stock-brokers) drifting in... We started checking ports on a switch to find 8 ports on a bank dead. The worse incident was when I was working alone in a casino, clients were starting to pouring in and a couple of monitoring and application stations were refusing to connect... which meant the casino was effectively down... It was discovered that one bank on a switch was going off and on and there was no extra ports. I connected my tester hub to a live port and populated it with links from the defective bank... it worked until a new switch could be acquired... The new switch was rocketed in, with a police escort, in about 15 minutes but that is another story. ;-) Keep your fingers crossed. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:54 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista looses frequently LAN connection and can'treconnect via DHCP Hi all, a follow-up We equipped a laptop with a fixed IP address but it still failed so we had to look elsewhere than at the DHCP function for the source of error. Further research revealed that those workstations never failing were connected to the right bank of 8 ports of 3 banks in total on a central Dell switch (not delivered by us) while all those that did fail - including the bridge for the WiFi and the workgroup printer - were connected to the left and center bank of ports. Only 7 nodes were attached; moving these to the right bank of ports seems to solve the issue. Fingers crossed. A new HP switch will be set up next week. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 16-06-2009 15:38 >>> Hi all Anyone having trouble with this? We have a client where Vista client laptops frequently pops off and on the wired LAN. Sometimes the new DHCP request fails and the pc stays disconnected. Later you can reestablish connection. We located this: http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-45038-internet-disconnects-when-2nd-user- is-on#p45086 with links to these: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 and as the client often use sleep mode for the laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933872 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928152 The router is an older Zywall so the KB article may apply haven't check that yet - but I wonder if anyone have some other ideas? /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 17 12:37:00 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:37:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <762336FFE59A4E6A8BB2ABA542065ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Those of us web site designers should be concerned as it appears that IE still does not have a complete implementation of the CSS3 standards? I have no idea why this is so as MS was one of the companies on the W3C advisory consul and therefore would have been involved with much of the input. Fortunately all other current browsers do support CSS3 and they now make up 59% of the market, according to the latest stats: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Maybe MS is implementing these standards through it latest version of SilverLight? If anyone else has insight I would dearly like to hear it. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jun 17 16:42:32 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:42:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 In-Reply-To: <762336FFE59A4E6A8BB2ABA542065ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <762336FFE59A4E6A8BB2ABA542065ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4A396348.1598.16F1A26E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Web usage stats are very dubious. Compared to w2shcools 41% for IE, other usage tracking sites give much higher percentages. See for example: http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm 53% IE http://gs.statcounter.com/ 60% IE http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1 66% IE -- Stuart On 17 Jun 2009 at 10:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Fortunately all other current browsers do support CSS3 and they now make up > 59% of the market, according to the latest stats: > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jun 17 17:42:36 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:42:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 In-Reply-To: <4A396348.1598.16F1A26E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <762336FFE59A4E6A8BB2ABA542065ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4A396348.1598.16F1A26E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have noticed that. I guess it all depends and that could be why there is so many Safari hits on the http://www.apple.com web site? http://www.microsoft.com is starting to simply stop working for people viewing their site with browsers other than IE... now that might skew the browser percentages as well. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] CSS3 Web usage stats are very dubious. Compared to w2shcools 41% for IE, other usage tracking sites give much higher percentages. See for example: http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm 53% IE http://gs.statcounter.com/ 60% IE http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1 66% IE -- Stuart On 17 Jun 2009 at 10:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Fortunately all other current browsers do support CSS3 and they now make up > 59% of the market, according to the latest stats: > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 08:44:12 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:44:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Arthur and Jon, I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS to go for. Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure to encounter. On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do that over the next 12 - 18 months. I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside the VM Thanks for any thoughts you may have MArk 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use it all > you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), but > > you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jun 18 08:49:12 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:49:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run 64bit Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and 32 bit Oses, so I think that's the way forward. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hello Arthur and Jon, I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS to go for. Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure to encounter. On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do that over the next 12 - 18 months. I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside the VM Thanks for any thoughts you may have MArk 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use it > all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 08:55:40 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:55:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John, For the desktop, I feel pretty confident about installed W2k8 Server and the building a number of VM's including a development VM. But if I buy a new laptop with 6 GB would you install Vista Ultimate 64 bit, or would you consider formatting the new machine and trying to run Win 2K8 on a laptop, I am worrying about drivers and compatability of audio, video, blue tooth etc. Actually as I type this, I think that following is best Laptop - install 64 Vista Ultimate and any VM I care for Desktop - Install 64 Win2K8 and any VM I care for Thanks MArk 2009/6/18 Tydda Jon - Slough > We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run 64bit > Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and 32 bit Oses, > so I think that's the way forward. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit > > Hello Arthur and Jon, > I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS to > go for. > > Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM machines, > so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. > > If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put my VM > platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even Windows 2008 > Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform > > I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, I > guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. > > But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure to > encounter. > > On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I have > to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do that over > the next 12 - 18 months. > > I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit > laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? > > or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within the > laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista or XP32 bit > running smootly and older apps all working happily inside the VM > > Thanks for any thoughts you may have > > > MArk > > > > 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > > > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use it > > all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jun 18 08:58:58 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:58:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi John, For the desktop, I feel pretty confident about installed W2k8 Server and the building a number of VM's including a development VM. But if I buy a new laptop with 6 GB would you install Vista Ultimate 64 bit, or would you consider formatting the new machine and trying to run Win 2K8 on a laptop, I am worrying about drivers and compatability of audio, video, blue tooth etc. Actually as I type this, I think that following is best Laptop - install 64 Vista Ultimate and any VM I care for Desktop - Install 64 Win2K8 and any VM I care for Thanks MArk 2009/6/18 Tydda Jon - Slough > We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run > 64bit Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and > 32 bit Oses, so I think that's the way forward. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit > > Hello Arthur and Jon, > I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS > to go for. > > Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM > machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. > > If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put > my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even > Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform > > I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, > I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. > > But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure > to encounter. > > On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I > have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do > that over the next 12 - 18 months. > > I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit > laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? > > or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within > the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista > or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside > the VM > > Thanks for any thoughts you may have > > > MArk > > > > 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > > > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use > > it all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 11:21:42 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:21:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a3a699a.0506d00a.1ac2.05a5@mx.google.com> Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi John, For the desktop, I feel pretty confident about installed W2k8 Server and the building a number of VM's including a development VM. But if I buy a new laptop with 6 GB would you install Vista Ultimate 64 bit, or would you consider formatting the new machine and trying to run Win 2K8 on a laptop, I am worrying about drivers and compatability of audio, video, blue tooth etc. Actually as I type this, I think that following is best Laptop - install 64 Vista Ultimate and any VM I care for Desktop - Install 64 Win2K8 and any VM I care for Thanks MArk 2009/6/18 Tydda Jon - Slough > We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run > 64bit Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and > 32 bit Oses, so I think that's the way forward. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit > > Hello Arthur and Jon, > I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS > to go for. > > Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM > machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. > > If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put > my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even > Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform > > I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, > I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. > > But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure > to encounter. > > On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I > have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do > that over the next 12 - 18 months. > > I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit > laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? > > or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within > the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista > or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside > the VM > > Thanks for any thoughts you may have > > > MArk > > > > 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > > > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use > > it all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jun 18 11:27:45 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:27:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: <4a3a699a.0506d00a.1ac2.05a5@mx.google.com> References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> <4a3a699a.0506d00a.1ac2.05a5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Games are the only reason that hardware gets bigger and faster... I was brought up on games, from Jet Set Willy and Repton on our old BBC, to Bubble Ghost on our Amstrad 1512, Empire on my dad's 286, right up to Company of Heroes and Empire: Total War on my current Core 2 Quad... If they only made Guitar Hero for the PC, I could sell my playstation! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi John, For the desktop, I feel pretty confident about installed W2k8 Server and the building a number of VM's including a development VM. But if I buy a new laptop with 6 GB would you install Vista Ultimate 64 bit, or would you consider formatting the new machine and trying to run Win 2K8 on a laptop, I am worrying about drivers and compatability of audio, video, blue tooth etc. Actually as I type this, I think that following is best Laptop - install 64 Vista Ultimate and any VM I care for Desktop - Install 64 Win2K8 and any VM I care for Thanks MArk 2009/6/18 Tydda Jon - Slough > We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run > 64bit Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and > 32 bit Oses, so I think that's the way forward. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit > > Hello Arthur and Jon, > I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS > to go for. > > Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM > machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. > > If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put > my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even > Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform > > I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, > I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. > > But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure > to encounter. > > On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I > have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do > that over the next 12 - 18 months. > > I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit > laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? > > or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within > the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista > or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside > the VM > > Thanks for any thoughts you may have > > > MArk > > > > 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > > > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use > > it all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 11:39:31 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:39:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> <4a3a699a.0506d00a.1ac2.05a5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a3a6dc6.0702d00a.5489.07ef@mx.google.com> Well, confession time....I do like adventure games. The less graphics the better. I just loved the one, I think it was called Zork or sommat like that. You know the ones where you type in "pick up sword" and it responds "done" or the clever ones where you are on board a pirate ship and type in "Weigh Anchor" and it responds with "78 Kilograms - although why you would want to weigh a piece of metal is beyond me" and you go "uh?" until the penny drops. Graphic games are far too fast for my declining brain synapse - I get killed before I press start. Also, I have played networked Quake, but the other guys in the office got a great kick out of ganging up and zapping me just because I am better looking- sometimes it is hard being perfect! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 17:28 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Games are the only reason that hardware gets bigger and faster... I was brought up on games, from Jet Set Willy and Repton on our old BBC, to Bubble Ghost on our Amstrad 1512, Empire on my dad's 286, right up to Company of Heroes and Empire: Total War on my current Core 2 Quad... If they only made Guitar Hero for the PC, I could sell my playstation! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi John, For the desktop, I feel pretty confident about installed W2k8 Server and the building a number of VM's including a development VM. But if I buy a new laptop with 6 GB would you install Vista Ultimate 64 bit, or would you consider formatting the new machine and trying to run Win 2K8 on a laptop, I am worrying about drivers and compatability of audio, video, blue tooth etc. Actually as I type this, I think that following is best Laptop - install 64 Vista Ultimate and any VM I care for Desktop - Install 64 Win2K8 and any VM I care for Thanks MArk 2009/6/18 Tydda Jon - Slough > We have several servers here using Vmware. The servers themselves run > 64bit Windows OS, but they contain virtual machines with both 64 and > 32 bit Oses, so I think that's the way forward. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit > > Hello Arthur and Jon, > I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS > to go for. > > Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM > machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. > > If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put > my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even > Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform > > I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, > I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. > > But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure > to encounter. > > On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I > have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do > that over the next 12 - 18 months. > > I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit > laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? > > or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within > the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista > or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside > the VM > > Thanks for any thoughts you may have > > > MArk > > > > 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > > > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use > > it all you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), > > > but you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jun 18 11:43:39 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:43:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Message-ID: Hi Max Don't tell me you never played Tetris. Sadly, it doesn't run well on modern computers ... or my fingers are getting old and slow. And one day I may tell you about my MS Train Simulator - can be run with one finger while you watch TV! /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:21 >>> Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 11:57:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:57:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a3a71ff.0702d00a.5489.0b4c@mx.google.com> Tetris - No. Seen the words somewhere but that is about it. As for Train Simulator - I might be old and decrepit, but anything that only takes one finger to run whilst watching TV is hardly demanding. I need something to stimulate the old grey cells. Say, Zork 99. Why don't you write one in Access? I wrote Sudoku in Access if you would like a copy. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 18 June 2009 17:44 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi Max Don't tell me you never played Tetris. Sadly, it doesn't run well on modern computers ... or my fingers are getting old and slow. And one day I may tell you about my MS Train Simulator - can be run with one finger while you watch TV! /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:21 >>> Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 11:57:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:57:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <52CA1D97399E40D8954B05438A2CD039@jt2c> <29f585dd0906170543l57966986i780c5ac7eee287af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a3a7202.0702d00a.5489.0b53@mx.google.com> Me too Mark. I would be interested in the replies. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 18 June 2009 14:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hello Arthur and Jon, I am currently thinking of buying some hardware, but not sure which OS to go for. Regardless of which OS and hardware, I intend to include a few VM machines, so I may bey 6 or even 8 GB ram. If I buy a laptop, will I install Vista 64 bit Ultimate, and then put my VM platform on that Or wil I try to installed Windows 2003 or even Windows 2008 Server on the laptop and use that as the VM platform I may alternately buy a desktop, so act as a server, so in that case, I guess I will install Win 2K8 and add my VM machines to it freely. But I am nervous about 64 bit OS and comaptability problems I am sure to encounter. On thing that is clear is that if I wish to use from that 3 GB then I have to make the switch to 64 bit. I suppose we are all going to do that over the next 12 - 18 months. I am thinking if the 50 or so apps that I currnetly run on my 32 bit laptop, will they mostly run on a 64 bit OS? or alternately will i have to have a 32 bit OS running as a VM within the laptop? Is anyone doing that? ie, runing 64 bit OS, with Vista or XP32 bit running smootly and older apps all working happily inside the VM Thanks for any thoughts you may have MArk 2009/6/17 Arthur Fuller > Yes, the 32 bit version can only consume 3GB of your RAM, so to use it all > you have to go to the 64 bit version. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > No, XP 32 bit will use the processor (I've got one in my desktop), but > > you'll need 64 bit to use all that RAM. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jun 18 12:07:52 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:07:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Message-ID: Hi Max No Tetris? Poor you. The Train Simulator is relaxing, that's right. But it provides some exiting sounds like choo-choo occasionally or chufa-chufa-chufa for extended periods. Sudoku? No thanks. I wrote a solution app once, that's was more exiting than finding those digits. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:57 >>> Tetris - No. Seen the words somewhere but that is about it. As for Train Simulator - I might be old and decrepit, but anything that only takes one finger to run whilst watching TV is hardly demanding. I need something to stimulate the old grey cells. Say, Zork 99. Why don't you write one in Access? I wrote Sudoku in Access if you would like a copy. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 18 June 2009 17:44 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi Max Don't tell me you never played Tetris. Sadly, it doesn't run well on modern computers ... or my fingers are getting old and slow. And one day I may tell you about my MS Train Simulator - can be run with one finger while you watch TV! /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:21 >>> Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:23:14 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:23:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a3a7804.0508d00a.1eec.03e7@mx.google.com> I went here http://www.freetetris.org/ That was exciting.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 18 June 2009 18:08 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi Max No Tetris? Poor you. The Train Simulator is relaxing, that's right. But it provides some exiting sounds like choo-choo occasionally or chufa-chufa-chufa for extended periods. Sudoku? No thanks. I wrote a solution app once, that's was more exiting than finding those digits. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:57 >>> Tetris - No. Seen the words somewhere but that is about it. As for Train Simulator - I might be old and decrepit, but anything that only takes one finger to run whilst watching TV is hardly demanding. I need something to stimulate the old grey cells. Say, Zork 99. Why don't you write one in Access? I wrote Sudoku in Access if you would like a copy. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 18 June 2009 17:44 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit Hi Max Don't tell me you never played Tetris. Sadly, it doesn't run well on modern computers ... or my fingers are getting old and slow. And one day I may tell you about my MS Train Simulator - can be run with one finger while you watch TV! /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-06-2009 18:21 >>> Oh, how disappointed is this. Jon, you play GAMES! The last game I played was on a Commodore 64 called the Pharoah's Curse. It was also my first game and I thought what a waste of time. Chasing an animation that somebody dreamt up. It is like watching Coronation St. And E.Enders.... ...and I was looking up to yu.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 18 June 2009 14:59 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 64 vs. 32 Bit I'm not planning on going 64 bit myself until it's been proved that all my games will work on it :-) Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:22:46 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:22:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Message-ID: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone use Google Chrome? It takes a little adjusting, but I like it better than FireFox now. Anyway, I can't figure out how to change the location of downloads. I don't want to use the default location. TIA, Arthur From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:29:42 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:29:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a3d0e79.1701d00a.435d.0c91@mx.google.com> Lots of sites don't sit well with it. I cannot use one of my hosting account for exmple Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 June 2009 17:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Does anyone use Google Chrome? It takes a little adjusting, but I like it better than FireFox now. Anyway, I can't figure out how to change the location of downloads. I don't want to use the default location. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jun 20 11:38:53 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:38:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Message-ID: Hi Arthur Tools, Options, center tab: Minor adjustments. It is much faster than IE for many things but (for me) cannot be used universaly. /gustav -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 June 2009 17:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Does anyone use Google Chrome? It takes a little adjusting, but I like it better than FireFox now. Anyway, I can't figure out how to change the location of downloads. I don't want to use the default location. TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jun 20 11:46:03 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:46:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Just click on the little wrench at the top right corner of the browser panel then click on 'Options' on the popdown menu and then select the 'Minor Tweeks' tab. The rest is straight forward from there. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Does anyone use Google Chrome? It takes a little adjusting, but I like it better than FireFox now. Anyway, I can't figure out how to change the location of downloads. I don't want to use the default location. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:47:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:47:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906200947j1df2df74x958eaaeda90f972e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks! On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Just click on the little wrench at the top right corner of the browser > panel > then click on 'Options' on the popdown menu and then select the 'Minor > Tweeks' tab. The rest is straight forward from there. > > HTH > Jim > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 11:50:43 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:50:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <4a3d0e79.1701d00a.435d.0c91@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> <4a3d0e79.1701d00a.435d.0c91@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906200950t3d0a9160nc02a9c981fb915c6@mail.gmail.com> I haven't run into that problem yet, but if and when I do, FireFox is still loaded. Arthur On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Lots of sites don't sit well with it. I cannot use one of my hosting > account for exmple > > Max > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jun 20 12:41:11 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:41:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906200950t3d0a9160nc02a9c981fb915c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906200922l12d7eef6xd15e0f388cc2818a@mail.gmail.com> <4a3d0e79.1701d00a.435d.0c91@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0906200950t3d0a9160nc02a9c981fb915c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95E57666BFFD4C62867EADE94D05E634@creativesystemdesigns.com> Many sites are IE specific and the internal JavaScripting is different than the other browsers. MS handling of classes and call-backs are different and require extra code to manage. Their methods of handling security are quite different. IE uses ActiveX components and other browsers use 'plug-in'. Some of the latest features like CSS3, supported by all other major browsers is not supported by IE... they only support up to CSS2. Many smaller sites, that can not afford to support multiple browsers and Microsoft, have some pages that actually block all other browsers. I am not sure what the specific issues are but there you have it. Here is the definitive browser research link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome I haven't run into that problem yet, but if and when I do, FireFox is still loaded. Arthur On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Lots of sites don't sit well with it. I cannot use one of my hosting > account for exmple > > Max > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 04:57:53 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:57:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] PageFile.sys on Vista Message-ID: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> Is the Windows swap file still called pagefile.sys in Vista? I cannot seem to find it. I want to move the swap file to drive e:\ from drive c:\. TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jun 21 05:52:53 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:52:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] PageFile.sys on Vista In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It is on mine :-) You don't need to know its name. Go to Control Panel - System - Advanced System Settings - Advanced - Settings - Advanced - Virtual Memory Change Untick "Automatically manage...." Select Drive C Select No Page File Click Set (ignore the warning) Select Drive E Select System managed size Click Set -- Stuart On 21 Jun 2009 at 5:57, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is the Windows swap file still called pagefile.sys in Vista? I cannot seem > to find it. I want to move the swap file to drive e:\ from drive c:\. > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jun 21 13:38:45 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:38:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Great media center for any of your computer. In-Reply-To: <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi all: Had the application strongly recommended to me and if you watch videos and like to run vids off line or online it might be worth a gander. See it at: http://xbmc.org/ XBMC MEDIA CENTER XBMC is an award winning media center application for Linux, Mac OS X, Windows and XBox. The ultimate hub for all your media, XBMC is easy to use, looks slick, and has a large helpful community. Try it now! Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 09:04:15 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:04:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for SAP - HR Payroll Analyst Message-ID: <3E29F619A84D4D6E85443709BAA48FC9@SusanOne> If you have the skills to fill this position or know someone who does, please send me a resume. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 09:28:16 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:28:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing DLL Message-ID: <29f585dd0906220728y2a86b637k3f3fb818b5bcdccc@mail.gmail.com> I don't know how it happened (perhaps some utility that purports to clean up unwanted files or something), but I am now missing a DLL called MSVCR100.dll. I run Vista and Office 2003 and Office 2007. I cannot currently locate my Vista installation disk, and I don't even know whether that is where this DLL originated. If you has this file on your disk, please send it to me off-line. Also, if you know what program or OS installed this DLL, that info would also be appreciated. TIA, Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jun 22 10:11:24 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:11:24 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing DLL Message-ID: Hi Arthur It's the MS C++ runtime ... doesn't sound Office related, rather Visual Studio: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235264.aspx /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 22-06-2009 16:28 >>> I don't know how it happened (perhaps some utility that purports to clean up unwanted files or something), but I am now missing a DLL called MSVCR100.dll. I run Vista and Office 2003 and Office 2007. I cannot currently locate my Vista installation disk, and I don't even know whether that is where this DLL originated. If you has this file on your disk, please send it to me off-line. Also, if you know what program or OS installed this DLL, that info would also be appreciated. TIA, Arthur From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Mon Jun 22 10:22:36 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing DLL In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0906220728y2a86b637k3f3fb818b5bcdccc@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0906220728y2a86b637k3f3fb818b5bcdccc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Arthur, Here's another link that may help http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?Fee dbackID=462367 Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing DLL I don't know how it happened (perhaps some utility that purports to clean up unwanted files or something), but I am now missing a DLL called MSVCR100.dll. I run Vista and Office 2003 and Office 2007. I cannot currently locate my Vista installation disk, and I don't even know whether that is where this DLL originated. If you has this file on your disk, please send it to me off-line. Also, if you know what program or OS installed this DLL, that info would also be appreciated. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 11:31:51 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:31:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing DLL In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906220728y2a86b637k3f3fb818b5bcdccc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906220931w23f157ads131e0c542aec6078@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, guys, I'll track it down and take it from here. A. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Arthur, > Here's another link that may help > > http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?Fee > dbackID=462367 > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 23 00:15:32 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:15:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Use the BING search engine in code. In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi all: Microsoft is opening up the new BING search engine API and various related 'mash-ups'; even with open source product like JSON and protocols like SOAP and XML. There is code samples, editors, toolkits etc... Check it out: http://www.bing.com/developers Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jun 23 12:21:40 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:21:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mono controversy on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6C89CB3EC2BF46E08CC437F2BC3F6604@creativesystemdesigns.com> There is some controversy about Mono and subsequently the default installation of it with various Linux distros. If it gets distributed these packages I think it will be a big coupe for Microsoft and will cement and accelerate the acceptance of .Net. http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/67387.html?wlc=1245774446 Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 25 09:17:39 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:17:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] test Message-ID: <003f01c9f59f$b2452190$16cf64b0$@net> Test From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 25 09:21:11 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:21:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] test Message-ID: <004401c9f5a0$30eb9dd0$92c2d970$@net> Test From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jun 25 11:10:03 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:10:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] test In-Reply-To: <004401c9f5a0$30eb9dd0$92c2d970$@net> References: <004401c9f5a0$30eb9dd0$92c2d970$@net> Message-ID: Failed, I didn't see any messages... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] test Test _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 11:10:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:10:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] test In-Reply-To: <003f01c9f59f$b2452190$16cf64b0$@net> References: <003f01c9f59f$b2452190$16cf64b0$@net> Message-ID: <4a43a17c.1c07d00a.145b.5098@mx.google.com> It got as far as the UK... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 25 June 2009 15:18 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] test Test _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 11:28:32 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:28:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] test In-Reply-To: <4a43a17c.1c07d00a.145b.5098@mx.google.com> References: <003f01c9f59f$b2452190$16cf64b0$@net> <4a43a17c.1c07d00a.145b.5098@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <93F7403093A2422BBBD2C87566FA5FF6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think the DBA email server went off-line for part of last night... must have been a few hours. My ISP sent back this info: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed. The reason for the problem: 4.4.0 - Other network problem '[Errno 61] Connection refused' Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] test It got as far as the UK... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 25 June 2009 15:18 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] test Test _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 25 11:33:45 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:33:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] test In-Reply-To: References: <004401c9f5a0$30eb9dd0$92c2d970$@net> Message-ID: <004201c9f5b2$b5f536a0$21dfa3e0$@net> We were down for a bit, just checking. Bryan fixed us up and everyone else's email beat mine through anyway... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 12:52:03 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:52:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 13:05:25 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:05:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the new windows7 OS. Chck it out: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 25 13:07:28 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:07:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 25 13:10:11 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:10:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: I'm in. I got the Beta of Windows 7 and it looks good. I was wondering about converting it when the time got close to its expiry. I also have a Vista box I could upgrade to W7. Where do we sign up for the free upgrade? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the new windows7 OS. Chck it out: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 13:15:04 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:15:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jun 25 13:24:31 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:24:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com><3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9D24CC966B2E4B0C9E169BB179D70F0C@danwaters> Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 25 13:35:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:35:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com><3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9BD1F3DA69234F02983AC80CA5BA5704@HAL9005> I don't need the Maserati of computers for my work. So I find Dell to be unbeatable - somehow I got on their email promotion list and so every few days they send me some deal they have going. Like I got that new laptop with 3GB RAM duo-core 3GHz processor, DVD R/W, 15 inch screen, etc.,etc - shade under $500 delivered with on site warranty. When I need a desktop I go on the site, configure, order, and in a couple days it shows up at the door - I never have to leave my desk - certain charm about that. But they may not be so competitive at the high end - I don't know. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Jun 25 13:41:12 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:41:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] test In-Reply-To: <004201c9f5b2$b5f536a0$21dfa3e0$@net> Message-ID: Thanks to Bryan as ever -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 25 June 2009 17:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] test We were down for a bit, just checking. Bryan fixed us up and everyone else's email beat mine through anyway... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jun 25 13:54:23 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:54:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A43C7DF.6070107@earthlink.net> If the only upgrade path to 7 is via Vista, IMO they should give it away. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the > new windows7 OS. Chck it out: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.364 / Virus Database: 270.12.91/2201 - Release Date: 06/25/09 06:22:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 14:05:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:05:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <9BD1F3DA69234F02983AC80CA5BA5704@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com><3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <9BD1F3DA69234F02983AC80CA5BA5704@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a43ca84.0702d00a.60bf.0601@mx.google.com> >> I don't need the Maserati of computers for my work. Good point, rocky. I get impatient sometimes.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I don't need the Maserati of computers for my work. So I find Dell to be unbeatable - somehow I got on their email promotion list and so every few days they send me some deal they have going. Like I got that new laptop with 3GB RAM duo-core 3GHz processor, DVD R/W, 15 inch screen, etc.,etc - shade under $500 delivered with on site warranty. When I need a desktop I go on the site, configure, order, and in a couple days it shows up at the door - I never have to leave my desk - certain charm about that. But they may not be so competitive at the high end - I don't know. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 15:44:32 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:44:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <22C493D4F476404A9CBF7B13F8BD7290@creativesystemdesigns.com> Follow the link...? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 I'm in. I got the Beta of Windows 7 and it looks good. I was wondering about converting it when the time got close to its expiry. I also have a Vista box I could upgrade to W7. Where do we sign up for the free upgrade? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the new windows7 OS. Chck it out: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Jun 25 15:47:04 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:47:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 15:51:08 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:51:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <9D24CC966B2E4B0C9E169BB179D70F0C@danwaters> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <9D24CC966B2E4B0C9E169BB179D70F0C@danwaters> Message-ID: <3F6CFF86229D40078CBB6CEAA971C4B7@creativesystemdesigns.com> I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jun 25 15:53:36 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:53:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: <22C493D4F476404A9CBF7B13F8BD7290@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <22C493D4F476404A9CBF7B13F8BD7290@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <78FE2BC66A50494EB981DB540E32F6B4@HAL9005> The link was to the Register with the news. I thought maybe you knew how to actually sign up for the upgrade. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 Follow the link...? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 I'm in. I got the Beta of Windows 7 and it looks good. I was wondering about converting it when the time got close to its expiry. I also have a Vista box I could upgrade to W7. Where do we sign up for the free upgrade? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the new windows7 OS. Chck it out: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 15:53:46 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:53:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a43e3dc.1c07d00a.7fc2.5ab1@mx.google.com> Crickey, thanks for that John, I am going to run all this past my mate...way over my head...Off the shelf is sounding attractive. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 15:55:34 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:55:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: <4A43C7DF.6070107@earthlink.net> References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <4A43C7DF.6070107@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Isn't like asking someone to burn their hand on the stove before they get feed. ;-) I have never believed in torture as a way to enlightenment. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 If the only upgrade path to 7 is via Vista, IMO they should give it away. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the > new windows7 OS. Chck it out: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.364 / Virus Database: 270.12.91/2201 - Release Date: 06/25/09 06:22:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:00:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:00:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <3F6CFF86229D40078CBB6CEAA971C4B7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <9D24CC966B2E4B0C9E169BB179D70F0C@danwaters> <3F6CFF86229D40078CBB6CEAA971C4B7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4a43e575.0508d00a.3b3a.2d12@mx.google.com> Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 16:11:14 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:11:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 In-Reply-To: <78FE2BC66A50494EB981DB540E32F6B4@HAL9005> References: <00ad01c7a1b3$ba4c9ef0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> <22C493D4F476404A9CBF7B13F8BD7290@creativesystemdesigns.com> <78FE2BC66A50494EB981DB540E32F6B4@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2B173F29C97A41C783051DBA3A631981@creativesystemdesigns.com> Sorry... Jim If you get more info please post. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 The link was to the Register with the news. I thought maybe you knew how to actually sign up for the upgrade. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 Follow the link...? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 I'm in. I got the Beta of Windows 7 and it looks good. I was wondering about converting it when the time got close to its expiry. I also have a Vista box I could upgrade to W7. Where do we sign up for the free upgrade? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Deep discounts from MS on Windows7 There seems to be some very serious discounts and offers being given on the new windows7 OS. Chck it out: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/windows_7_price_discounts/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 16:15:19 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:15:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43e575.0508d00a.3b3a.2d12@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a43b948.0a1ad00a.28a0.2d7e@mx.google.com> <3B77247CD8134440956A534B753F299D@HAL9005> <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <9D24CC966B2E4B0C9E169BB179D70F0C@danwaters> <3F6CFF86229D40078CBB6CEAA971C4B7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4a43e575.0508d00a.3b3a.2d12@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you do decide to go to build your own I would recommend an ASUS motherboard... even over GigaByte. Very fast, reliable with all the latest bells-and-whistles and all OSs are compatible. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 25 16:33:46 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:33:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Jun 25 16:32:57 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:32:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, for the *best*, go for SuperMicro - though Asus and Gigabyte are certainly good. Best skip Intel, Abit, and some others - all of which work fine *most* of the time ... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 22:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment If you do decide to go to build your own I would recommend an ASUS motherboard... even over GigaByte. Very fast, reliable with all the latest bells-and-whistles and all OSs are compatible. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:38:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:38:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 25 16:47:17 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:47:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:59:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:59:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> Message-ID: <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> This... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx seems to indicate that there is no point in getting more than 3Gb memory unless I mover to 64 bit architecture which I wont do cos most apps run under 32 bit. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 17:02:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:02:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a43f3fd.0702d00a.0a9a.ffff824c@mx.google.com> Yes, just googled them. Very impressive. Top of range < ?400 with 128GB memory. But 32 bit software cant use it.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 22:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Well, for the *best*, go for SuperMicro - though Asus and Gigabyte are certainly good. Best skip Intel, Abit, and some others - all of which work fine *most* of the time ... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 22:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment If you do decide to go to build your own I would recommend an ASUS motherboard... even over GigaByte. Very fast, reliable with all the latest bells-and-whistles and all OSs are compatible. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Jun 25 17:11:42 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:11:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Most apps will run on both. But *drivers* is a different question. Don't go to 64-bit - yet - unless you *need* more than 3GB, as I said below. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment This... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx seems to indicate that there is no point in getting more than 3Gb memory unless I mover to 64 bit architecture which I wont do cos most apps run under 32 bit. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Jun 25 17:12:10 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:12:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> Message-ID: Don't knock Bolton! There are *two* good suppliers there - www.scan.co.uk and www.dabs.com Others I have used happily quite a few times are http://uk.insight.com/content/homepage/business - tends to have wider range, but be more expensive http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/home.html http://www.ebuyer.com/ And for RAM, Crucial guarantee compatibility: http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.aspx John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 20:29:33 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:29:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16D45F277EA848D4A45AE8FEB2E5AACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is a link to a website that does some comparisons to what they review as the best motherboards: http://www.testfreaks.com/motherboards HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Well, for the *best*, go for SuperMicro - though Asus and Gigabyte are certainly good. Best skip Intel, Abit, and some others - all of which work fine *most* of the time ... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 22:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment If you do decide to go to build your own I would recommend an ASUS motherboard... even over GigaByte. Very fast, reliable with all the latest bells-and-whistles and all OSs are compatible. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 20:33:18 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ...and of corse for the highest rated motherboard read: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/933/1 Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Well, for the *best*, go for SuperMicro - though Asus and Gigabyte are certainly good. Best skip Intel, Abit, and some others - all of which work fine *most* of the time ... John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 22:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment If you do decide to go to build your own I would recommend an ASUS motherboard... even over GigaByte. Very fast, reliable with all the latest bells-and-whistles and all OSs are compatible. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Did you read John Robinson's reply over on Tech? Whooo. I am thinking hard now. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 25 June 2009 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I agree with Dan. By the time you have finished building your own over-clocked system, with 64 bit quad, 16 GB of RAM and with an oil cooler, you will be asking yourself how you ever lived before. ;-) Jim PS I am teasing... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max, I built a PC about 2 years ago and did enjoy it! I think I got a little better value than buying something with equivalent specs. Of the top of my head - this looks like a fast system. You might price the components separately to find out if you're getting a deal. And a BD-ROM drive would cost a bit wouldn't it? If you are going to put this on the floor, you'll want a different case so that your USB, firewire, and audio ports are near the top instead of at the bottom. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 20:48:04 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> Message-ID: <8FD39272936A447AB981DB72EAEAB441@creativesystemdesigns.com> The ASUS motherboard (ASUS RampageII board was given a rating of 10 out of 10 on 3 hardware sites...) and are the highest rated boards in the business. I tend to recommend ASUS boards to all my clients as I can not afford to have a hardware failure or incompatibilty issues... as many go right into servers... I have servers that has not been down but for power failures or upgrades, in almost 8 years (24 x 365) and not one failure. Being a hardware guy I concurr with with you Jon. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 21:02:15 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:02:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906251902w479a7248s709e8989db48ba34@mail.gmail.com> Well, Max, there is a point, which involves running one or another VM. As for me, I run Sun's VirtualBox, and using it I can run an XP and an Ubuntu and a Vista all at once. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jun 25 21:10:50 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:10:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> References: <4a43beab.1c05d00a.4c5b.219d@mx.google.com> <4a43ee6a.0508d00a.5517.24a4@mx.google.com> <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> <4a43f32d.0702d00a.60bf.3efc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0686C997093844D4940DB511B51FB154@creativesystemdesigns.com> If you do get a 64 bit then the apps that can take advance of that architecture and the ones that will not work can go into a 32 bit Hyper-Virtual server/PC... no problem. I think 32bit are systems of the past and in 5 years 32bit applications will have to be virtualized to run on any system sold. But programs that are 64 in design really scream as they have quad processors. You can only get 4GB of RAM in a 32bit board but a whooping 128GB of RAM on a 64 bit board. Games, graphics, movies or any development of database work are through the roof, in comparison. The performance of a 32bit board is about a 10th of the performance of a 64bit. I have a Tosiba laptop 64bit, 2GB RAM but I only run a 32bit version of XP (64bit XP was flaky for some reason) and it works just fine. On another partition I have a 64bit version of Oracle Unbreakable (Redhat) Linux running and it also works just fine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment This... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx seems to indicate that there is no point in getting more than 3Gb memory unless I mover to 64 bit architecture which I wont do cos most apps run under 32 bit. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 26 01:03:16 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:03:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Windows 7 starts selling. Pre-order and get the Home Edition for $49.00 and Professional Edition for $99.00. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 01:13:24 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:13:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a446702.0506d00a.087a.ffffd106@mx.google.com> US or Canada or [gooblygook] only on the drop down combo. What happened to "favourite nation! ! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 26 June 2009 07:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Windows 7 starts selling. Pre-order and get the Home Edition for $49.00 and Professional Edition for $99.00. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 01:18:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:18:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LifeRay In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> Anybody got any experience of LifeRay www.liferay.com Particularly if they know of any other similar ones to compare it to. Thanks Max From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 26 01:37:33 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:37:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LifeRay In-Reply-To: <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not a clue but it looks very interesting... an open source FaceBook? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] LifeRay Anybody got any experience of LifeRay www.liferay.com Particularly if they know of any other similar ones to compare it to. Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 26 02:04:23 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:04:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> For all you who wanted to decorate the house or apartment on a 'shoe-string' budget check this out: http://www.kentucky.com/147/story/532854.html Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 02:12:35 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:12:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house In-Reply-To: <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0906260012p344784ebo75bc65449ae54a88@mail.gmail.com> That is truly awesome. I especially love the pool table. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jun 26 07:34:49 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:34:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Bolton - wasRE: Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: References: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> Message-ID: <415CAEFCC5004714817FD488DBEC108F@HAL9005> OK, OT for this list but I've heard Bolton used as a humorous reference in Britcoms - Python used to poke fun a Bolton. Why? What's funny about Bolton? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Don't knock Bolton! There are *two* good suppliers there - www.scan.co.uk and www.dabs.com Others I have used happily quite a few times are http://uk.insight.com/content/homepage/business - tends to have wider range, but be more expensive http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/home.html http://www.ebuyer.com/ And for RAM, Crucial guarantee compatibility: http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.aspx John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jun 26 07:37:21 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:37:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com><4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <734C71F715F44730A5EE77DBD203D17B@HAL9005> Fifty bucks!? I'm testing it for them now! (grumble, grumble) They oughta give me one don'tcha think? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Windows 7 starts selling. Pre-order and get the Home Edition for $49.00 and Professional Edition for $99.00. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jun 26 07:40:41 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:40:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house In-Reply-To: <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com><4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: So all I need is ten bucks and artistic talent? Hell, I'm halfway there! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house For all you who wanted to decorate the house or apartment on a 'shoe-string' budget check this out: http://www.kentucky.com/147/story/532854.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jun 26 07:43:07 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:43:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com><4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Which do you have? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house So all I need is ten bucks and artistic talent? Hell, I'm halfway there! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house For all you who wanted to decorate the house or apartment on a 'shoe-string' budget check this out: http://www.kentucky.com/147/story/532854.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 26 08:51:55 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:51:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <734C71F715F44730A5EE77DBD203D17B@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <734C71F715F44730A5EE77DBD203D17B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <62C0F88E87E04164AF0E99E4F5B9BD30@creativesystemdesigns.com> I agree... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Fifty bucks!? I'm testing it for them now! (grumble, grumble) They oughta give me one don'tcha think? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Windows 7 starts selling. Pre-order and get the Home Edition for $49.00 and Professional Edition for $99.00. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jun 26 08:52:27 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:52:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0906210257m18e55468p406aaafedf620423@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E1105.1519.B50EAA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a44684a.0702d00a.53b4.5e97@mx.google.com> <1F9100776E7E46148CDE20B3FF3ABBC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <51E5C067826D419391AC7E21B1F02383@creativesystemdesigns.com> So you are artist? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house So all I need is ten bucks and artistic talent? Hell, I'm halfway there! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] An inexpensive way to decorate the house For all you who wanted to decorate the house or apartment on a 'shoe-string' budget check this out: http://www.kentucky.com/147/story/532854.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 11:42:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:42:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Bolton - wasRE: Help Wanted to Choose Equipment In-Reply-To: <415CAEFCC5004714817FD488DBEC108F@HAL9005> References: <85E85B49BAEB473BADF588B187151A05@jt2c> <415CAEFCC5004714817FD488DBEC108F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a44fa88.0702d00a.53b4.10be@mx.google.com> Shouldn't be Bolton....I told 'em Oldham... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 June 2009 13:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Bolton - wasRE: Help Wanted to Choose Equipment OK, OT for this list but I've heard Bolton used as a humorous reference in Britcoms - Python used to poke fun a Bolton. Why? What's funny about Bolton? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Don't knock Bolton! There are *two* good suppliers there - www.scan.co.uk and www.dabs.com Others I have used happily quite a few times are http://uk.insight.com/content/homepage/business - tends to have wider range, but be more expensive http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/home.html http://www.ebuyer.com/ And for RAM, Crucial guarantee compatibility: http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.aspx John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against them :-) I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Is SCAN the motherboard type? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date if needs be without having to change the motherboard. I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is very very good. ?1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu (without looking) is usually around ?600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad 2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2). Hope that's some help Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Max Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the Maserati a bit?! Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If not, fine. The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected ('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work, and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to offer! *IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok, but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save money): ?162 from your guy, or ?143+delivery from Scan (who also offer installation damage insurance), or ?145 from ebuyer with free delivery. And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap *brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you? Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea. I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and (especially) lack of choice. Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok, but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard. If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf! HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi Rocky, No, I won't enjoy it - that is work... I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits. This sounds really appealing.. http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll enjoy? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment Hi All, I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my forte.. I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff. I need a compatible set of a. Motherboard b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible. c. Processor - fast a possible d. video card. I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc. No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external drives. I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU. Many thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jun 28 01:11:58 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:11:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] NedaNet In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271450m7a1aeab6j5d78c16482872a7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271450m7a1aeab6j5d78c16482872a7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4709AE.90709@earthlink.net> If you have a website, please consider giving it a link to NedaNet , a resource for Iranians and those who want to help them. PB From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 08:45:08 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:45:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Message-ID: Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 11:20:15 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:20:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html So it looks to be repairable. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? ?Are > there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq > and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't need > it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare > since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 28 11:56:27 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:56:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A47A0BB.4030700@embarqmail.com> Rocky, I know there is a Fry's in SD, but not how close your are to it. I bought a discontinued 120G 7200 rpm Toshiba Sata that was a special on the wall where the Hard Drives are for 49. Be sure to determine if you Laptop uses IDE or Sata. Bill From the Las Vegas Fry's. Gary Kjos wrote: > Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 > > http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html > > So it looks to be repairable. > > GK > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are >> there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq >> and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' >> to stop the third party replacements? >> >> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need >> it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare >> since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. >> >> >> MTIA, >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 11:57:50 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:57:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Gary: Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html So it looks to be repairable. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? ? > Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to > Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't > need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son > as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 11:58:58 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:58:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A47A0BB.4030700@embarqmail.com> References: <4A47A0BB.4030700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <25CF35D8B21245A9AFC3CF94383F7DD4@HAL9005> Yeah we got Fry's here. Guess I'll l have to go down and maybe take the machine with me - get a replacement. $49 is cheap enough to save the comp. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Rocky, I know there is a Fry's in SD, but not how close your are to it. I bought a discontinued 120G 7200 rpm Toshiba Sata that was a special on the wall where the Hard Drives are for 49. Be sure to determine if you Laptop uses IDE or Sata. Bill From the Las Vegas Fry's. Gary Kjos wrote: > Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 > > http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html > > So it looks to be repairable. > > GK > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth >> replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I >> have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' >> to stop the third party replacements? >> >> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I >> don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with >> my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. >> >> >> MTIA, >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 28 12:08:08 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:08:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2F48C457C9D14951AAE6FC5D9D44A4D4@jt2c> They are usually yes. You might need a screwdriver or something to undo the panel where it plugs in, and maybe bolt it into the tray, but after that it's a standard fitting to plug into. Just make sure you get it the right way up :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 June 2009 17:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Gary: Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html So it looks to be repairable. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? > Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to > Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done > something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't > need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son > as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on > their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 12:09:02 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:09:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the hard drive. Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf Which I got to from the list of manuals available here http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=442915& after searching for your model name on google and finding this Obviously watch for the wrap on those. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Gary: > > Thanks for the link. ?Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop > box? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 > > http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html > > So it looks to be repairable. > > GK > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Dear List: >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? >> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something > 'unique' >> to stop the third party replacements? >> >> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't >> need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son >> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their > computers now. >> >> >> MTIA, >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 28 13:11:59 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:11:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. Bill Gary Kjos wrote: > I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other > laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts > replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and > remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the > hard drive. > > Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system > > http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf > > > Which I got to from the list of manuals available here > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=442915& > > after searching for your model name on google and finding this > > > > Obviously watch for the wrap on those. > > GK > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Gary: >> >> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >> box? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >> >> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >> >> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >> >> So it looks to be repairable. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>> >> 'unique' >> >>> to stop the third party replacements? >>> >>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>> >> computers now. >> >>> MTIA, >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Smolin >>> >>> Beach Access Software >>> >>> 858-259-4334 >>> >>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> www.bchacc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 14:05:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:05:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a47bef5.0702d00a.53ad.ffffc56a@mx.google.com> Rocky, my last Dell laptop HD just had 2 screws holding it in (tiny bitty ones, so don?t loose them..) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 June 2009 17:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Gary: Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html So it looks to be repairable. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? ? > Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to > Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't > need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son > as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 15:12:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:12:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <412C4693AB754243B3C5EF4690FB9189@HAL9005> Thanks. I did find a site which showed how to deconstruct the R3000 with pictures and everything. So I'll probably salvage this box. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the hard drive. Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf Which I got to from the list of manuals available here http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& after searching for your model name on google and finding this Obviously watch for the wrap on those. GK On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Gary: > > Thanks for the link. ?Do you know if it's just swappable like a good > desktop box? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 > > http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html > > So it looks to be repairable. > > GK > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Dear List: >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? >> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go >> to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done >> something > 'unique' >> to stop the third party replacements? >> >> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I >> don't need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with >> my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent >> on their > computers now. >> >> >> MTIA, >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jun 28 15:42:54 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:42:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 28 16:09:49 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:09:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4A47DC1D.1040305@embarqmail.com> Hi Rocky, One more comment, I recently replaced a 5400 rpm with a 7200 rpm on a friends laptop and he could tell the difference in speed if that is of any importance. As you know Fry's will have a fairly large selection to choose from, I think IDE's are more expensive than SATA's but if a 7200 rpm is only 10 or so dollars more I'd use the faster drive. Bill Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Rocky: > > If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is > working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been > trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. > > One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to > the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of > the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw > drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there > can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful > to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been > removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. > > With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by > removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and > a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are > there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq > and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need > it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare > since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 28 16:15:08 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:15:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A47DC1D.1040305@embarqmail.com> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4A47DC1D.1040305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Oh that's definitely true. Don't touch a 4200rpm with a 10 foot bargepole, 5400's are acceptable, but 7200's really do fly. There's a seriously noticeable difference. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: 28 June 2009 22:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky, One more comment, I recently replaced a 5400 rpm with a 7200 rpm on a friends laptop and he could tell the difference in speed if that is of any importance. As you know Fry's will have a fairly large selection to choose from, I think IDE's are more expensive than SATA's but if a 7200 rpm is only 10 or so dollars more I'd use the faster drive. Bill Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Rocky: > > If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and > everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece > of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. > > One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get > access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, > do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very > small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw > sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws > depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can > be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. > > With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by > removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid > out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? > Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to > Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't > need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son > as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 17:49:56 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:49:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T work (if it fits)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 28 17:54:32 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:54:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: They come in the same flavours as pc hard drives, you've got IDE and SATA. If it's IDE, it'll have a bunch of about 20 pins in the back, if it's sata, it'll have two plastic slots at the back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 June 2009 23:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T work (if it fits)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 17:55:25 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:55:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A47DC1D.1040305@embarqmail.com> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4A47DC1D.1040305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <9A32C043DECF489A8DCC4E87E81E0DFB@HAL9005> Thank you. Here's hoping for a special at Fry's this week!! Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky, One more comment, I recently replaced a 5400 rpm with a 7200 rpm on a friends laptop and he could tell the difference in speed if that is of any importance. As you know Fry's will have a fairly large selection to choose from, I think IDE's are more expensive than SATA's but if a 7200 rpm is only 10 or so dollars more I'd use the faster drive. Bill Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Rocky: > > If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and > everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece > of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. > > One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get > access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, > do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very > small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw > sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws > depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can > be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. > > With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by > removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid > out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? > Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to > Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't > need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son > as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jun 28 18:03:50 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:03:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <86B37DB9888A4C409152CE20F108DBCD@HAL9005> Sounds like I should take the drive out of the comp and bring it along. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead They come in the same flavours as pc hard drives, you've got IDE and SATA. If it's IDE, it'll have a bunch of about 20 pins in the back, if it's sata, it'll have two plastic slots at the back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 June 2009 23:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T work (if it fits)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 28 18:07:55 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:07:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4A47F7CB.5020303@embarqmail.com> Hi Rocky, The easiest way is to just take the hard drive out (you will need to remove it to replace it anyway) and take it with you. Most have a small frame around them with tiny screws, just leave the frame until you get it back home and lay the 2 drives with the same side up and move the frame. Some LT manufacturers also have an adaptor that plugs into IDE's. It's easy to move but again pay attention to top and bottom. It does matter which one you buy and it needs to be a 2.5 inch, but if you take yours with you (It will fit in your shirt pocket) it's real easy to compare. Also be sure to look on the board where they hang some of the hard drives at Fry's, that is where the specials are. When I got mine for $49 most were &69 or more and as I said I was looking for SATA (Serail ATA) vs (PATA) Parallel ATA more commonly called IDE. Fry's does not stock a lot of IDE's for laptops anymore so if they are out, you may have go on line. If you do it is real important that you look for the correct type 2.5" IDE (PATA) or 2.5" SATA. You will learn a lot about SATA and or PATA at Fry's. The laptop drives look the same until you look at the plug, then it's easy. HTH Bill Rocky Smolin wrote: > Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said > that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed > to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T > work (if it fits)? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Hi Rocky: > > If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is > working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been > trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. > > One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to > the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of > the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw > drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there > can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful > to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been > removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. > > With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by > removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and > a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are > there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq > and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need > it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare > since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 28 18:09:34 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:09:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <86B37DB9888A4C409152CE20F108DBCD@HAL9005> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> <86B37DB9888A4C409152CE20F108DBCD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A47F82E.4040902@embarqmail.com> Looks like we were typing at the same time. Just remember that the special I got was not listed in their ads just a sticker underneath the drive on the wall. Bill Rocky Smolin wrote: > Sounds like I should take the drive out of the comp and bring it along. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:55 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > They come in the same flavours as pc hard drives, you've got IDE and SATA. > If it's IDE, it'll have a bunch of about 20 pins in the back, if it's sata, > it'll have two plastic slots at the back. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 28 June 2009 23:50 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said > that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed > to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T > work (if it fits)? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Hi Rocky: > > If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is > working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been > trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. > > One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to > the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of > the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw > drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there > can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful > to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been > removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. > > With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by > removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and > a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead > > Dear List: > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are > there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq > and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' > to stop the third party replacements? > > I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need > it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare > since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jun 28 18:14:09 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:14:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <86B37DB9888A4C409152CE20F108DBCD@HAL9005> References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> <86B37DB9888A4C409152CE20F108DBCD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <661A775ADA574BE2AC80826AB71DE08A@jt2c> Yeah, it can't hurt to do that. Although when you've got it out, it's so obviously one or the other, you should be ok. With IDE there are metal pins visible, with SATA there aren't. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 29 June 2009 00:04 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Sounds like I should take the drive out of the comp and bring it along. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead They come in the same flavours as pc hard drives, you've got IDE and SATA. If it's IDE, it'll have a bunch of about 20 pins in the back, if it's sata, it'll have two plastic slots at the back. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 June 2009 23:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T work (if it fits)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jun 28 22:09:07 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:09:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <1CD6E1D39DF544C5AC8FCFFED454EAAD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Just take it into the shop and say "I was a new terabyte drive for this laptop." And they will make sure you get the appropriate drive. Then just drop it in, close it up and save yourselve a couple hundred buck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:50 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Cool. Are most of the drives the same size and electronics? Someone said that it's probably an IDE drive but that don't mean much to me. As opposed to what? Is it possible to buy a replacement drive for a laptop that WON'T work (if it fits)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hi Rocky: If your lap top is running at the speed you are happy with and everything is working... yes, replace the hard drive... it is a piece of cake. I have been trained in Dell and IBM and the drives just slide out and clip back in. One very important trick: If you have to open the laptop up to get access to the HD and it is an older model, flip it over on its face, do a layout of the screw positions on a sheet of paper and with very small Phillips screw drivers or jewelers' drivers. Write the screw sizes of each hole... there can be up to 6 different type of screws depending on the model. Be careful to not lose any screws as they can be very small. Once the screws have been removed the back will just snap out and hard drive will be easy to remove. With some of the newer model laptops, a hard drive can be removed by removing a single panel on the back and then the drive is just slid out and a new drive slid in... 30 minute job. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Dear List: I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something 'unique' to stop the third party replacements? I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their computers now. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Jun 29 07:25:47 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:25:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >> hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 07:43:05 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:43:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4a48b6dd.0707d00a.7406.ffffc908@mx.google.com> ...dont know about anything else, but the connections are totally different. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: 29 June 2009 13:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >> hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Mon Jun 29 10:08:07 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:08:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4A48D8D7.6020107@embarqmail.com> Hi Tina, I think Jon explained it pretty well in 2 of his replys, see below. One other thing to note is that 5.25 and 2.5 SATA's use the same pin out so if you have one of the SATA to USB adapter you can check either. I have a Vantec SATA/IDE to USB adapter that also has an IDE port for the5.25 and another for the 2.5 allowing you to access a drive from any PC with a USB 2 connection. I use this all the time for file recovery and even scan and remove viruses. Bill They come in the same flavours as pc hard drives, you've got IDE and SATA. If it's IDE, it'll have a bunch of about 20 pins in the back, if it's sata, it'll have two plastic slots at the back. and Yeah, it can't hurt to do that. Although when you've got it out, it's so obviously one or the other, you should be ok. With IDE there are metal pins visible, with SATA there aren't. Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive > it is? > T > > Bill Patten wrote: > >> Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. >> >> Bill >> >> Gary Kjos wrote: >> >> >>> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >>> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >>> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >>> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >>> hard drive. >>> >>> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >>> >>> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >>> >>> >>> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=442915& >>> >>> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >>> >>> >>> >>> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Gary: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>>> box? >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>>> >>>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>>> >>>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>>> >>>> So it looks to be repairable. >>>> >>>> GK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 'unique' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>>> >>>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> computers now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> MTIA, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rocky Smolin >>>>> >>>>> Beach Access Software >>>>> >>>>> 858-259-4334 >>>>> >>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>>> >>>>> www.bchacc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary Kjos >>>> garykjos at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 10:13:39 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:13:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: The hardware specs generally tell you. If you search on the model the manufacturer usually has those available someplace on their website.. GK On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive > it is? > T > > Bill Patten wrote: >> Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. >> >> Bill >> >> Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >>> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >>> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >>> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >>> hard drive. >>> >>> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >>> >>> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >>> >>> >>> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=442915& >>> >>> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >>> >>> >>> >>> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Gary: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the link. ?Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>>> box? >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>>> >>>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>>> >>>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>>> >>>> So it looks to be repairable. >>>> >>>> GK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? >>>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 'unique' >>>> >>>> >>>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>>> >>>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I don't >>>>> need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>>> >>>>> >>>> computers now. >>>> >>>> >>>>> MTIA, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rocky Smolin >>>>> >>>>> Beach Access Software >>>>> >>>>> 858-259-4334 >>>>> >>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>>> >>>>> www.bchacc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary Kjos >>>> garykjos at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jun 29 11:02:06 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:02:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005><4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5584D1FDE85B4DC0AAE273673CA75FA1@HAL9005> Just talked to HP - comp was made in 2004 and IDE is the only compatible - took out the hard drive - easy - 2 screws - and the screws don't come out of the case to you can't possibly lose them. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead The hardware specs generally tell you. If you search on the model the manufacturer usually has those available someplace on their website.. GK On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of > drive it is? > T > > Bill Patten wrote: >> Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. >> >> Bill >> >> Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >>> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >>> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom >>> and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering >>> the hard drive. >>> >>> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >>> >>> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >>> >>> >>> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us >>> &lang=en&product=442915& >>> >>> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >>> >>> >> us&dlc=en&lang=en&tmp_track_link=ot_we/prodlink/en_us/442915/loc:0&c >>> c=us> >>> >>> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Gary: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the link. ?Do you know if it's just swappable like a >>>> good desktop box? >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary >>>> Kjos >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>>> >>>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>>> >>>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>>> >>>> So it looks to be repairable. >>>> >>>> GK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? >>>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to >>>>> go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've >>>>> done something >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 'unique' >>>> >>>> >>>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>>> >>>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I >>>>> don't need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school >>>>> with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely >>>>> dependent on their >>>>> >>>>> >>>> computers now. >>>> >>>> >>>>> MTIA, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rocky Smolin >>>>> >>>>> Beach Access Software >>>>> >>>>> 858-259-4334 >>>>> >>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>>> >>>>> www.bchacc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary Kjos >>>> garykjos at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 11:13:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:13:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <5584D1FDE85B4DC0AAE273673CA75FA1@HAL9005> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005><4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> <5584D1FDE85B4DC0AAE273673CA75FA1@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a48e82e.1701d00a.20ce.2421@mx.google.com> Well done, Rocky Now, set yourself up in business replacing laptop HDs. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 29 June 2009 17:02 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Just talked to HP - comp was made in 2004 and IDE is the only compatible - took out the hard drive - easy - 2 screws - and the screws don't come out of the case to you can't possibly lose them. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead The hardware specs generally tell you. If you search on the model the manufacturer usually has those available someplace on their website.. GK On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of > drive it is? > T > > Bill Patten wrote: >> Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. >> >> Bill >> >> Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >>> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >>> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom >>> and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering >>> the hard drive. >>> >>> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >>> >>> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >>> >>> >>> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us >>> &lang=en&product=442915& >>> >>> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >>> >>> >> us&dlc=en&lang=en&tmp_track_link=ot_we/prodlink/en_us/442915/loc:0&c >>> c=us> >>> >>> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Gary: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the link. ?Do you know if it's just swappable like a >>>> good desktop box? >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary >>>> Kjos >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>>> >>>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>>> >>>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>>> >>>> So it looks to be repairable. >>>> >>>> GK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. ?Is it worth replacing? >>>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to >>>>> go to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've >>>>> done something >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 'unique' >>>> >>>> >>>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>>> >>>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. ?So I >>>>> don't need it fixed. ?But I was going to send it back to school >>>>> with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely >>>>> dependent on their >>>>> >>>>> >>>> computers now. >>>> >>>> >>>>> MTIA, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rocky Smolin >>>>> >>>>> Beach Access Software >>>>> >>>>> 858-259-4334 >>>>> >>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>>> >>>>> www.bchacc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary Kjos >>>> garykjos at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 11:49:16 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks Message-ID: Interested in your experiences and opinions on netbook -- you're welcome to say anything you like. Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 11:51:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a48f12a.1818d00a.6a44.1a3c@mx.google.com> Who is this addressed to? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 29 June 2009 17:49 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks Interested in your experiences and opinions on netbook -- you're welcome to say anything you like. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 29 12:01:00 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:01:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com> There are 3 types of drives in normal practice. There is SCSI, 50 pins but never as far as I know used in laptops and generally only in server class machines, IDE, 40 pins (one missing pin to indicate which way to put the cable in) and the relatively new SATA, which looks like a telephone/LAN cable jack (This is the most common standard today and might replace the IDE.). There use to be a number of other type of connections but they are long since defuncked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >> hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 12:10:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:10:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> <420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4a48f596.0707d00a.73ff.1e6a@mx.google.com> Hm, Jim, I thought Scusi drives were being binned...am I wrong? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 18:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead There are 3 types of drives in normal practice. There is SCSI, 50 pins but never as far as I know used in laptops and generally only in server class machines, IDE, 40 pins (one missing pin to indicate which way to put the cable in) and the relatively new SATA, which looks like a telephone/LAN cable jack (This is the most common standard today and might replace the IDE.). There use to be a number of other type of connections but they are long since defuncked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >> hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 29 14:57:38 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:57:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d001c9f8f3$dad4f2a0$907ed7e0$@net> Love 'em for "normal" person use. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:49 AM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks Interested in your experiences and opinions on netbook -- you're welcome to say anything you like. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 15:13:10 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:13:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks References: <00d001c9f8f3$dad4f2a0$907ed7e0$@net> Message-ID: <4079EBAC181741A3BBF7F095E8621361@SusanOne> Spent some time reading about them -- sounds to me like they have some serious limits. Although, some reviews of a few newer ones look promising. Susan H. > Love 'em for "normal" person use. > > Interested in your experiences and opinions on netbook -- you're welcome > to > say anything you like. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 29 16:37:43 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:37:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <4a48f596.0707d00a.73ff.1e6a@mx.google.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> <420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4a48f596.0707d00a.73ff.1e6a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <53E3EA9FD3E84896B180EFDA053622C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have not heard about that. A friend recently updated his main servers to SCSI drives.. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hm, Jim, I thought Scusi drives were being binned...am I wrong? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 18:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead There are 3 types of drives in normal practice. There is SCSI, 50 pins but never as far as I know used in laptops and generally only in server class machines, IDE, 40 pins (one missing pin to indicate which way to put the cable in) and the relatively new SATA, which looks like a telephone/LAN cable jack (This is the most common standard today and might replace the IDE.). There use to be a number of other type of connections but they are long since defuncked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom and >> remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering the >> hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go to >>>> Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I don't >>>> need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school with my son >>>> as a spare since their academic lives are completely dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Jun 29 17:00:20 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:00:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <53E3EA9FD3E84896B180EFDA053622C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005><4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com><420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com><4a48f596.0707d00a.73ff.1e6a@mx.google.com> <53E3EA9FD3E84896B180EFDA053622C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1E70482F9D974AEAB53EA018F226E1F4@jt2c> The new servers we've got at work (both this job and my last one) came with SATA drives in them. I think they're probably cheaper than SCSI, and at 10,000 rpm, they're a decent enough speed to be used for servers. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 22:38 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead I have not heard about that. A friend recently updated his main servers to SCSI drives.. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hm, Jim, I thought Scusi drives were being binned...am I wrong? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 18:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead There are 3 types of drives in normal practice. There is SCSI, 50 pins but never as far as I know used in laptops and generally only in server class machines, IDE, 40 pins (one missing pin to indicate which way to put the cable in) and the relatively new SATA, which looks like a telephone/LAN cable jack (This is the most common standard today and might replace the IDE.). There use to be a number of other type of connections but they are long since defuncked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom >> and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering >> the hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky >> Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary >>> Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky >>> Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go >>>> to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I >>>> don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school >>>> with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely >>>> dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 29 18:12:04 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:12:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: <1E70482F9D974AEAB53EA018F226E1F4@jt2c> References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> <4A47B26F.2010708@embarqmail.com> <4A48B2CB.9030103@torchlake.com> <420901A2455B46A895EBBB094F34304E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4a48f596.0707d00a.73ff.1e6a@mx.google.com> <53E3EA9FD3E84896B180EFDA053622C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1E70482F9D974AEAB53EA018F226E1F4@jt2c> Message-ID: <4CD291DBAEFF4C9596311E06DAC0FF1E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Incredible cheaper and nearly as fast through put. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead The new servers we've got at work (both this job and my last one) came with SATA drives in them. I think they're probably cheaper than SCSI, and at 10,000 rpm, they're a decent enough speed to be used for servers. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 22:38 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead I have not heard about that. A friend recently updated his main servers to SCSI drives.. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Hm, Jim, I thought Scusi drives were being binned...am I wrong? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 29 June 2009 18:01 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead There are 3 types of drives in normal practice. There is SCSI, 50 pins but never as far as I know used in laptops and generally only in server class machines, IDE, 40 pins (one missing pin to indicate which way to put the cable in) and the relatively new SATA, which looks like a telephone/LAN cable jack (This is the most common standard today and might replace the IDE.). There use to be a number of other type of connections but they are long since defuncked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead Revealing my ignorance here - how does one determine which kind of drive it is? T Bill Patten wrote: > Based on the picture that Gary sent it is an IDE type drive. > > Bill > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I've no experience with that particular model but I've taken other >> laptops apart and they have all been very modular and parts >> replaceable. Just take some screws out of the panels in the bottom >> and remove those panels and you will no doubt find the one covering >> the hard drive. >> >> Here is a diagram on how to replace the harddrive in your system >> >> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00057184.pdf >> >> >> Which I got to from the list of manuals available here >> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en &product=442915& >> >> after searching for your model name on google and finding this >> >> >> >> Obviously watch for the wrap on those. >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rocky >> Smolin wrote: >> >> >>> Gary: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. Do you know if it's just swappable like a good desktop >>> box? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary >>> Kjos >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:20 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead >>> >>> Here's an 80 GB drive for $69 >>> >>> http://www.comptick.com/cq-r3at-80.html >>> >>> So it looks to be repairable. >>> >>> GK >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rocky >>> Smolin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 with a dead HD. Is it worth replacing? >>>> Are there lots of drives that can slide in there or do I have to go >>>> to Compaq and pay too much for a replacement because they've done something >>>> >>>> >>> 'unique' >>> >>> >>>> to stop the third party replacements? >>>> >>>> I've already replaced the machine with a Dell Inspiron 15. So I >>>> don't need it fixed. But I was going to send it back to school >>>> with my son as a spare since their academic lives are completely >>>> dependent on their >>>> >>>> >>> computers now. >>> >>> >>>> MTIA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin >>>> >>>> Beach Access Software >>>> >>>> 858-259-4334 >>>> >>>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>>> >>>> www.bchacc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Gary Kjos >>> garykjos at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 29 19:22:33 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:22:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A495AC9.28905.18D69619@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Handy unless you want to run Office 2007. Then that damned ribbon takes up far too much of the limited vertical resolution. (Oops, sorry! thought we were still on AccessDB ) On 29 Jun 2009 at 12:49, Susan Harkins wrote: > Interested in your experiences and opinions on netbook -- you're welcome to > say anything you like. > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 19:44:50 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks References: <4A495AC9.28905.18D69619@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4E3A03A31E6A42D8A9FB7392A9CCB3E0@SusanOne> Actually, I've already read that complaint in a professional review! ;) Susan H. > Handy unless you want to run Office 2007. Then that damned ribbon takes > up far too much > of the limited vertical resolution. (Oops, sorry! thought we were still > on AccessDB ) From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 29 20:27:57 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:27:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks In-Reply-To: <4E3A03A31E6A42D8A9FB7392A9CCB3E0@SusanOne> References: , <4E3A03A31E6A42D8A9FB7392A9CCB3E0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A496A1D.5578.19127800@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Are you saying I'm not a professional? :-) On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:44, Susan Harkins wrote: > Actually, I've already read that complaint in a professional review! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > Handy unless you want to run Office 2007. Then that damned ribbon takes > > up far too much > > of the limited vertical resolution. (Oops, sorry! thought we were still > > on AccessDB ) > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 21:09:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:09:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] netbooks References: , <4E3A03A31E6A42D8A9FB7392A9CCB3E0@SusanOne> <4A496A1D.5578.19127800@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6F840F9CC4854F39BD3C8AE04778F5D5@SusanOne> ooooooooooooo... sorry... you're not a computer journalist, are you? ;) Susan H. > Are you saying I'm not a professional? :-) > > On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:44, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Actually, I've already read that complaint in a professional review! ;) From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jun 29 23:49:53 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:49:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Hard Drive Dead In-Reply-To: References: <2887F0F0BEF9425495916F8F19CF668F@HAL9005> Message-ID: Cheap website... the cheapest I have seen for a long while: http://www.domainsatcost.ca $8.75 CAN, a year, for only 2 days. Jim