From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 02:09:53 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:09:53 +0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on Open Source - Linix Derivatives
In-Reply-To: <4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00911010109s3e12759eq2dddd5059ed2004a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Stuart,

that is very useful, thank you very much.

It serves as a TOC for the windows Open Source, and I guess it it worth
checking in from time to time to see what is there,

What I was curious about was whether most Linux Open Source eventually do
support windows also, or is it only a subset of the entire Linux world that
bothers to produce a Windows Exe.  Any thoughts?

thanks again

Mark


2009/11/1 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>

> There is a great deal of open source software  available for Windows.
>
> Check out Open Disk for a start. I periodically pay my $20 and get sent the
> latest versions
> on CD.
>
> http://www.theopendisc.com/
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 1 Nov 2009 at 9:29, Mark Breen wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently started using FileZilla, which is really super. I also
> recently
> > discovered GIMP, another open source excellent piece of software.
> >
> > Seeing Jim's recent mention of Clonezila, it caused me to wonder about
> the
> > frequency of Windows based versions of the Linux Open Source product. It
> is
> > normal, do the Linux community usually produce a Windows Version of their
> > product?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  1 03:25:31 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:25:31 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on Open Source - Linix Derivatives
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00911010109s3e12759eq2dddd5059ed2004a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<c7fd28d00911010109s3e12759eq2dddd5059ed2004a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AED540B.14823.15710618@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I really don't know, but just about all  of the common applications that I hear about people 
using on Linux  can be found on OpenDisk.  There may well be thousands of other Linux 
only applications, but I don't mix in those circles and don't here about them.


-- 
Stuart

On 1 Nov 2009 at 16:09, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello Stuart,
> 
> that is very useful, thank you very much.
> 
> It serves as a TOC for the windows Open Source, and I guess it it worth
> checking in from time to time to see what is there,
> 
> What I was curious about was whether most Linux Open Source eventually do
> support windows also, or is it only a subset of the entire Linux world that
> bothers to produce a Windows Exe.  Any thoughts?
> 
> thanks again
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 2009/11/1 Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> 
> > There is a great deal of open source software  available for Windows.
> >
> > Check out Open Disk for a start. I periodically pay my $20 and get sent the
> > latest versions
> > on CD.
> >
> > http://www.theopendisc.com/
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 1 Nov 2009 at 9:29, Mark Breen wrote:
> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently started using FileZilla, which is really super. I also
> > recently
> > > discovered GIMP, another open source excellent piece of software.
> > >
> > > Seeing Jim's recent mention of Clonezila, it caused me to wonder about
> > the
> > > frequency of Windows based versions of the Linux Open Source product. It
> > is
> > > normal, do the Linux community usually produce a Windows Version of their
> > > product?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Nov  1 09:48:50 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:48:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00910311835t3c721b3aled1dec23755d8e60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com>	<018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net>
	<4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com>
	<c7fd28d00910311835t3c721b3aled1dec23755d8e60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEDADE2.7060509@torchlake.com>

Hi Mark,

Yes, I like to show off a real hard drive to my newbie students, too.  
That's probably what I will do with this one.

T

Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> Over the last few years, I have had relatively few disk failures, but once I
> get over the initial shock of losing a drive, I am always delighted because
> it gives me an excuse to open the drive and show some one how beautiful the
> inside is.  Inside your hard drive is a very clean place.
>
> Have fun with it, you may think it is pretty enough to be an ornament of
> sorts.
>
> Mark
>
> 2009/11/1 Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>
>   
>> Hi John,
>>
>> SpinRite is running on level 4 - smooth as silk until it reached
>> cylinder 4,141, head 252.  Here it is laboriously climbing through
>> sectors - up to sector 41 as I am typing this message.
>>
>> Perhaps the thing to do is just replace the hard drive.  It is a Western
>> Digital 60GB drive, identified in Setup as: WD600BB-75CAA0.
>>
>> I can boot to Windows (it's XP, not XP Pro) and do lots of stuff, but
>> there's a good chance if I let it sit for a few hours, it will suddenly
>> not find the hard drive.  Frequently, there is a boot message that the
>> hard drive is operating outside of normal specs, strike F1 to continue
>> or F2 for Setup.  Sometimes in that situation, Setup does not see the
>> hard drive, sometimes it does.  Usually F1 continues the boot sequence,
>> although occasionally it stops again, this time with a "no keyboard"
>> message.
>>
>> What kinds of hard drives do you have lying around, and why are you
>> willing to part with one?  For how much?
>>
>> Thanks so much for your response and help.
>>
>> T
>>
>> John Bartow wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Tina,
>>> Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to
>>>       
>> go
>>     
>>> through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a
>>> ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me
>>> know.
>>>
>>> If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the
>>> computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from
>>> scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it
>>> will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it
>>>       
>> has
>>     
>>> less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs
>>> from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers
>>>       
>> for
>>     
>>> the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and
>>> install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to
>>> install so don't bother watching them once started :o)
>>>
>>> Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security)
>>>       
>> until
>>     
>>> done with all of this.
>>>
>>> Good Luck Tina!
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>>> Fields
>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time.  I've been given
>>> a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing.  I would
>>> like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and
>>> see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and
>>> others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for
>>> me.  Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little
>>> guidance.  Okay?  I'm listening.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> T
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>>>
>>>
>>>       
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Nov  1 09:50:59 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:50:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over
In-Reply-To: <003401ca5a5d$a0209a30$e061ce90$@net>
References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com>	<018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net><4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com>
	<003401ca5a5d$a0209a30$e061ce90$@net>
Message-ID: <4AEDAE63.9050603@torchlake.com>

Hi John,

Well SpinRite says to get everything I really want off this drive and 
replace it.  The message in the bright red box is pretty clear!  So, my 
friend, I'm looking for one of those good cast-off drives you have - 
60GB or better, if possible. 

We just got home from church and it seems our furnace is not working.  
Got to go do something about that.

T

John Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> If SpinRite doesn't solve the issue then it is time to junk it! The WD
> drives with "BB" in the model number are the low end drives.
>  
> I remove the good parts from PCs I'm recycling. Often times the PC is not
> wanted because the processor is too slow. The RAM and HD are usually OK.
> Sometimes I get some other parts like card readers, etc.
>
> I'm willing to part with them because I have so many. I'll check and see
> what I have and let you know. Shipping cost reimbursement is all I'd ask
> for.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:34 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over
>
> Hi John,
>
> SpinRite is running on level 4 - smooth as silk until it reached 
> cylinder 4,141, head 252.  Here it is laboriously climbing through 
> sectors - up to sector 41 as I am typing this message. 
>
> Perhaps the thing to do is just replace the hard drive.  It is a Western 
> Digital 60GB drive, identified in Setup as: WD600BB-75CAA0.
>
> I can boot to Windows (it's XP, not XP Pro) and do lots of stuff, but 
> there's a good chance if I let it sit for a few hours, it will suddenly 
> not find the hard drive.  Frequently, there is a boot message that the 
> hard drive is operating outside of normal specs, strike F1 to continue 
> or F2 for Setup.  Sometimes in that situation, Setup does not see the 
> hard drive, sometimes it does.  Usually F1 continues the boot sequence, 
> although occasionally it stops again, this time with a "no keyboard" 
> message. 
>
> What kinds of hard drives do you have lying around, and why are you 
> willing to part with one?  For how much?
>
> Thanks so much for your response and help.
>
> T
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Hi Tina,
>> Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to
>>     
> go
>   
>> through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a
>> ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me
>> know.
>>
>> If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the
>> computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from
>> scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it
>> will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it
>>     
> has
>   
>> less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs
>> from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers
>>     
> for
>   
>> the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and
>> install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to
>> install so don't bother watching them once started :o)
>>
>> Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security)
>>     
> until
>   
>> done with all of this.
>>
>> Good Luck Tina!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time.  I've been given 
>> a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing.  I would 
>> like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and 
>> see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and 
>> others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for 
>> me.  Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little 
>> guidance.  Okay?  I'm listening.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> T
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>   
>>     
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  3 21:08:26 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:08:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A reference set for languages
In-Reply-To: <4AED540B.14823.15710618@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<c7fd28d00911010109s3e12759eq2dddd5059ed2004a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AED540B.14823.15710618@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <364BB29B0660453FA929FF58A4E540AD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a great language reference set for you programmers:

http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic17947.htm

Enjoy
Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  5 08:58:03 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:58:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and geo-aware
In-Reply-To: <364BB29B0660453FA929FF58A4E540AD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<c7fd28d00911010109s3e12759eq2dddd5059ed2004a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AED540B.14823.15710618@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<364BB29B0660453FA929FF58A4E540AD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <32B0DEBEA08D47FA8A46AC1E7093AC95@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

As our web technology continues to mature it has become apparent that your
next big application will not be desktop but web based. If you need any more
proof link and read the attached article:

http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/what-your-web-apps-will-be-like-i
n-2014-646680

A lot of research was made to gather references to various emerging and
stabilizing technologies... well worth the read.

Jim



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  5 14:11:46 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:11:46 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and geo-aware
In-Reply-To: <32B0DEBEA08D47FA8A46AC1E7093AC95@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>,
	<364BB29B0660453FA929FF58A4E540AD@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<32B0DEBEA08D47FA8A46AC1E7093AC95@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Your's maybe - not mine.  I develop *business* solutions, not Web 2.0 crap.


Not all of us live in areas where web based applications are even possible, let alone 
preferable.

Many organisations don't let their staff have internet access for all sorts of valid reasons.
 
Very few organisations that I know about are prepared to trust their corporate data to an 
anonymous "cloud".

One day maybe, but certainly not in the next few years.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2009 at 6:58, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> As our web technology continues to mature it has become apparent that your
> next big application will not be desktop but web based. If you need any more
> proof link and read the attached article:
> 
> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/what-your-web-apps-will-be-like-i
> n-2014-646680
> 
> A lot of research was made to gather references to various emerging and
> stabilizing technologies... well worth the read.
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  5 20:16:08 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:16:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and geo-aware
In-Reply-To: <4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<364BB29B0660453FA929FF58A4E540AD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<32B0DEBEA08D47FA8A46AC1E7093AC95@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You do not have to have external internet access to be able to run a web
based application. Most of the companies that I have helped build web apps
for run them on their intranet. Most banks are in the process of upgrading
and run either web apps or Citrix based programs... all through virtual
pipes linked straight to command center. Web access can be completely
controlled through configured Cisco routers where all but one or two IP
addresses are blocked.

Franchises that are in the process of converting are companies like
Superstore, Wal-Mart, Costco, Stables, Future Shop, Sony, McDonalds and a
host of smaller chains. Many are working out special arrangement with Google
and other web based giants. 

It just makes them extremely flexible and the programs can run on any
platforms the company may have... from DOS to Windows to MAC to Linux, on
servers and on stations. The companies do not have to continually be
upgrading their hardware to be able to handle the latest and greatest. 

Managers and specialized offsite home and travelling staff may have special
remote access. The other plus is that all the data is live and real-time
everywhere and can backed up virtually instantaneously.

These companies are ultra-security conscience and even I have to have a
special time-limited passes that may be couriered to me through over night
delivery just to have access to their server rooms or privileged access to
their business desktops. 

An interesting aside:
I have a friend that does a lot of business for Honda, out of Japan,
developing internal advertisement material and pamphlets. Japan is almost
completely linked by fiber-optic cables. It was great to watch him remotely
drag a 15GB file from some server in a place like Sayama and drop it on a
server in Tokyo (that is not the head quarters but the name escapes me). It
was as if they were merely directories on the same computer. Just a brief
moment of confirmation and done... 

All their internal manuals, brochures, advertisement and announcement are
delivered via web based applications.    

Times are changing Stuart.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and
geo-aware

Your's maybe - not mine.  I develop *business* solutions, not Web 2.0 crap.


Not all of us live in areas where web based applications are even possible,
let alone 
preferable.

Many organisations don't let their staff have internet access for all sorts
of valid reasons.
 
Very few organisations that I know about are prepared to trust their
corporate data to an 
anonymous "cloud".

One day maybe, but certainly not in the next few years.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2009 at 6:58, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> As our web technology continues to mature it has become apparent that your
> next big application will not be desktop but web based. If you need any
more
> proof link and read the attached article:
> 
>
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/what-your-web-apps-will-be-like-i
> n-2014-646680
> 
> A lot of research was made to gather references to various emerging and
> stabilizing technologies... well worth the read.
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  5 21:16:21 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:16:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and geo-aware
In-Reply-To: <4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The article you first referred to was about  World Wide Web based applications and "the 
cloud" etc.  

Now you are talking about something different.

Your examples which run on  intranets and use their own in house data stores are not "web 
based",  they are just thin client applications that use an HTTP server and a browser as the 
front end - nothing at all to do with the "World Wide Web" other than that they use the same 
technology.

I doubt very much that your friend used "the web"  to move that file.   The World Wide Web 
is not the Internet - and vice versa.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2009 at 18:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You do not have to have external internet access to be able to run a web
> based application. Most of the companies that I have helped build web apps
> for run them on their intranet. Most banks are in the process of upgrading
> and run either web apps or Citrix based programs... all through virtual
> pipes linked straight to command center. Web access can be completely
> controlled through configured Cisco routers where all but one or two IP
> addresses are blocked.
> 
> Franchises that are in the process of converting are companies like
> Superstore, Wal-Mart, Costco, Stables, Future Shop, Sony, McDonalds and a
> host of smaller chains. Many are working out special arrangement with Google
> and other web based giants. 
> 
> It just makes them extremely flexible and the programs can run on any
> platforms the company may have... from DOS to Windows to MAC to Linux, on
> servers and on stations. The companies do not have to continually be
> upgrading their hardware to be able to handle the latest and greatest. 
> 
> Managers and specialized offsite home and travelling staff may have special
> remote access. The other plus is that all the data is live and real-time
> everywhere and can backed up virtually instantaneously.
> 
> These companies are ultra-security conscience and even I have to have a
> special time-limited passes that may be couriered to me through over night
> delivery just to have access to their server rooms or privileged access to
> their business desktops. 
> 
> An interesting aside:
> I have a friend that does a lot of business for Honda, out of Japan,
> developing internal advertisement material and pamphlets. Japan is almost
> completely linked by fiber-optic cables. It was great to watch him remotely
> drag a 15GB file from some server in a place like Sayama and drop it on a
> server in Tokyo (that is not the head quarters but the name escapes me). It
> was as if they were merely directories on the same computer. Just a brief
> moment of confirmation and done... 
> 
> All their internal manuals, brochures, advertisement and announcement are
> delivered via web based applications.    
> 
> Times are changing Stuart.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and
> geo-aware
> 
> Your's maybe - not mine.  I develop *business* solutions, not Web 2.0 crap.
> 
> 
> Not all of us live in areas where web based applications are even possible,
> let alone 
> preferable.
> 
> Many organisations don't let their staff have internet access for all sorts
> of valid reasons.
>  
> Very few organisations that I know about are prepared to trust their
> corporate data to an 
> anonymous "cloud".
> 
> One day maybe, but certainly not in the next few years.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 5 Nov 2009 at 6:58, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Hi All:
> > 
> > As our web technology continues to mature it has become apparent that your
> > next big application will not be desktop but web based. If you need any
> more
> > proof link and read the attached article:
> > 
> >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/what-your-web-apps-will-be-like-i
> > n-2014-646680
> > 
> > A lot of research was made to gather references to various emerging and
> > stabilizing technologies... well worth the read.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  5 22:16:26 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:16:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and geo-aware
In-Reply-To: <4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Actually it can be... it is just how you control it through your office or
extend it further. 

Regardless of how web applications are used, they are all thin-client
(though a healthy set of JavaScript can extend it far beyond just thin
client) and the internal designs and deployment are absolutely identical. It
is not just cloud computing... it is communications whether it is external
or internal.

I am sure you have email, Google map, time clocks, weather forecasting,
stock feeds, mini vids and zip code lookup routines running from you desktop
programs. If you gave me appropriate money I could convert virtually any of
your client's desktop programs to web designed application deliveried via
some Apache, IIS or Streaming server box onsite or extend it to some remote
country.

The internet is what the WWW runs on and it can be used in many ways. My
friend was actually connecting via a term server connection, off his Mac.

And to summarize; as I just can not say it better than you: "...they are
just thin client applications that use an HTTP server and a browser as the
front end - nothing at all to do with the "World Wide Web" other than that
they use the same technology." ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and
geo-aware

The article you first referred to was about  World Wide Web based
applications and "the 
cloud" etc.  

Now you are talking about something different.

Your examples which run on  intranets and use their own in house data stores
are not "web 
based",  they are just thin client applications that use an HTTP server and
a browser as the 
front end - nothing at all to do with the "World Wide Web" other than that
they use the same 
technology.

I doubt very much that your friend used "the web"  to move that file.   The
World Wide Web 
is not the Internet - and vice versa.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Nov 2009 at 18:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You do not have to have external internet access to be able to run a web
> based application. Most of the companies that I have helped build web apps
> for run them on their intranet. Most banks are in the process of upgrading
> and run either web apps or Citrix based programs... all through virtual
> pipes linked straight to command center. Web access can be completely
> controlled through configured Cisco routers where all but one or two IP
> addresses are blocked.
> 
> Franchises that are in the process of converting are companies like
> Superstore, Wal-Mart, Costco, Stables, Future Shop, Sony, McDonalds and a
> host of smaller chains. Many are working out special arrangement with
Google
> and other web based giants. 
> 
> It just makes them extremely flexible and the programs can run on any
> platforms the company may have... from DOS to Windows to MAC to Linux, on
> servers and on stations. The companies do not have to continually be
> upgrading their hardware to be able to handle the latest and greatest. 
> 
> Managers and specialized offsite home and travelling staff may have
special
> remote access. The other plus is that all the data is live and real-time
> everywhere and can backed up virtually instantaneously.
> 
> These companies are ultra-security conscience and even I have to have a
> special time-limited passes that may be couriered to me through over night
> delivery just to have access to their server rooms or privileged access to
> their business desktops. 
> 
> An interesting aside:
> I have a friend that does a lot of business for Honda, out of Japan,
> developing internal advertisement material and pamphlets. Japan is almost
> completely linked by fiber-optic cables. It was great to watch him
remotely
> drag a 15GB file from some server in a place like Sayama and drop it on a
> server in Tokyo (that is not the head quarters but the name escapes me).
It
> was as if they were merely directories on the same computer. Just a brief
> moment of confirmation and done... 
> 
> All their internal manuals, brochures, advertisement and announcement are
> delivered via web based applications.    
> 
> Times are changing Stuart.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Complete connectivity, centralized data and
> geo-aware
> 
> Your's maybe - not mine.  I develop *business* solutions, not Web 2.0
crap.
> 
> 
> Not all of us live in areas where web based applications are even
possible,
> let alone 
> preferable.
> 
> Many organisations don't let their staff have internet access for all
sorts
> of valid reasons.
>  
> Very few organisations that I know about are prepared to trust their
> corporate data to an 
> anonymous "cloud".
> 
> One day maybe, but certainly not in the next few years.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 5 Nov 2009 at 6:58, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Hi All:
> > 
> > As our web technology continues to mature it has become apparent that
your
> > next big application will not be desktop but web based. If you need any
> more
> > proof link and read the attached article:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/what-your-web-apps-will-be-like-i
> > n-2014-646680
> > 
> > A lot of research was made to gather references to various emerging and
> > stabilizing technologies... well worth the read.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 07:38:59 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:38:59 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  8 10:51:54 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:51:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mechanized Olympics
In-Reply-To: <4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E1C9118E72C14310B1EE6ADE1A960123@creativesystemdesigns.com>



Here is a first look at our competitors in actions:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8346185.stm ;-)

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  8 11:36:04 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:36:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 08:57:54 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:57:54 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:00:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:00:02 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
In-Reply-To: <4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the
BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in
to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check
for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max




From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Nov  9 09:04:03 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:04:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
In-Reply-To: <4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207A27A64C6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Check out the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Some of them are reset by removing the CMOS battery, some by setting a jumper on the board. Others might need some kind of override on the BIOS or something.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Nov  9 09:22:38 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:22:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:34:38 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:34:38 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:35:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:35:28 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207A27A64C6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207A27A64C6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
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Wow, that was a bit  easy.  I just flicked out the cmos battery, waited a
few secs,  put it back in and rebooted.

Thanks Jon

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Check out the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Some of them are
reset by removing the CMOS battery, some by setting a jumper on the board.
Others might need some kind of override on the BIOS or something.



Jon

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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the
BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in
to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check
for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Nov  9 09:40:35 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:40:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E814@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

We are actually agreeing, I just did not express myself clearly. The cable is not there to use as a hoist, it is indeed supposed to guide the payload up. The way in which the lifting force is applied is what all the testing / contests are about. Some are trying laser impulses, some have mechanical motive forces, but at the end of the day it's all about getting material into orbit with much less energy expended than rockets currently use.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Nov  9 09:43:29 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:43:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
In-Reply-To: <4af836cc.05ae660a.5e9b.34f9@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207A27A64C6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<4af836cc.05ae660a.5e9b.34f9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E818@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

You might want to look around the BIOS screens for an option to reload all the default settings too. The settings in force after the battery in/out move might be sub-optimal.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Wow, that was a bit  easy.  I just flicked out the cmos battery, waited a few secs,  put it back in and rebooted.

Thanks Jon

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Check out the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Some of them are reset by removing the CMOS battery, some by setting a jumper on the board.
Others might need some kind of override on the BIOS or something.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  9 09:47:29 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:47:29 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com><4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0526CBC8465147279AD99E4D0785F5C2@HAL9005>

The vehicle climbs the cable.  I can't remember the book or the author -
someone on the list will - but there's a sci-fi story about just this thing
- complete with some math and physics.  Wonderful story.  Who can remember?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:47:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:47:49 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E814@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E814@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4af839b4.0aec660a.08e4.421b@mx.google.com>

Yes, which is my point.  If the cable is there as a guide only (and this
appears to be the case) and there is concern about what material to use
because of the weight etc, then  I am  asking, why not use a laser light to
guide it up to the oribiting space station with another laser doing the
pushing.  Who knows, it might be possible to do this?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:41
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

We are actually agreeing, I just did not express myself clearly. The cable
is not there to use as a hoist, it is indeed supposed to guide the payload
up. The way in which the lifting force is applied is what all the testing /
contests are about. Some are trying laser impulses, some have mechanical
motive forces, but at the end of the day it's all about getting material
into orbit with much less energy expended than rockets currently use.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  9 09:48:43 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:48:43 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <54B7A7BE87B4468BB46D0B60FA5EE741@HAL9005>

Gotta find that story for you - tells all about how the cable is used to
hoist things into space.  Asimov?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:48:51 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:48:51 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
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References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82e7b.0707d00a.48b4.ffffa3ac@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207A27A64C6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>	<4af836cc.05ae660a.5e9b.34f9@mx.google.com>
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Yes, I just selected "default" and  it gave me the system back with basic
windows etc, but everything on the HD appears to be gone.

Max


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:43
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

You might want to look around the BIOS screens for an option to reload all
the default settings too. The settings in force after the battery in/out
move might be sub-optimal.

Lambert 

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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:35 AM
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Wow, that was a bit  easy.  I just flicked out the cmos battery, waited a
few secs,  put it back in and rebooted.

Thanks Jon

Max



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Slough
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:04
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Check out the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Some of them are
reset by removing the CMOS battery, some by setting a jumper on the board.
Others might need some kind of override on the BIOS or something.



Jon

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Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the
BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in
to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check
for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  9 09:50:42 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:50:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
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References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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Check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

And I think this may be the book I'm thinking of - from the Wiki article:

In 1979, space elevators were introduced to a broader audience with the
simultaneous publication of Arthur C. Clarke's novel, The Fountains of
Paradise, in which engineers construct a space elevator on top of a mountain
peak in the fictional island country of Taprobane (loosely based on Sri
Lanka, albeit moved south to the Equator),

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


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Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


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Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:51:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:51:03 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <0526CBC8465147279AD99E4D0785F5C2@HAL9005>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com><4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
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Don't think so, Rocky. They are not giving $2M dollars away for a gadget to
climb a cable.  The motive power has to come from the laser.  If the cable
is providing any "push/pull"  of any kind they will not get the  award.

Max


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:47
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The vehicle climbs the cable.  I can't remember the book or the author -
someone on the list will - but there's a sci-fi story about just this thing
- complete with some math and physics.  Wonderful story.  Who can remember?

Rocky
 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:51:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:51:39 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
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References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
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Yes, but that is fiction...this is FACT.

Max


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:49
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

Gotta find that story for you - tells all about how the cable is used to
hoist things into space.  Asimov?

Rocky
 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 10:00:15 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:00:15 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
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Good, interesting link there, Rocky.

The project I quoted though, was not mentioned and must be something else.
I don't think we need a physical structure.  What I mean is,  if we have
magnetism, which repulses, and we can  float huge trains on them, albeit a
few cms, and we have laser propulsion, we might,  one day, be able to have
enough motive potential to move off the planet.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

Check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

And I think this may be the book I'm thinking of - from the Wiki article:

In 1979, space elevators were introduced to a broader audience with the
simultaneous publication of Arthur C. Clarke's novel, The Fountains of
Paradise, in which engineers construct a space elevator on top of a mountain
peak in the fictional island country of Taprobane (loosely based on Sri
Lanka, albeit moved south to the Equator),

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From bgeldart at verizon.net  Mon Nov  9 09:50:10 2009
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:50:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0KSU0062KN5IF0Z9@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Basically, you're looking at an elevator system. The space payloads 
would be pulled up along the calbe.

BTW, Clarke also thought of the geo-synchronous satellites, allowing 
the space communications and GPS systems now in such profusion.

There are a number of current SF stories using this idea as a reality.


At 11/9/2009 09:57 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote:
>What is the purpose of the cable?
>
>If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?
>
>Max
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty
>
>That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
>on 35,000 km cable?
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/
>
>The future is coming...
>
>Max
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  9 10:26:45 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:26:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af83a74.0710660a.12cf.4f30@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com><4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com><0526CBC8465147279AD99E4D0785F5C2@HAL9005>
	<4af83a74.0710660a.12cf.4f30@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0045E7A8C4B5491AA4D3275E2D5D0803@HAL9005>

The cable is stationary.  In the books (fiction) I've read about this and in
the speculative papers, the motive power is mechanical.  I'm not sure how
you can get enough power from a laser to provide thurst to lift anything of
significant weight.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

Don't think so, Rocky. They are not giving $2M dollars away for a gadget to
climb a cable.  The motive power has to come from the laser.  If the cable
is providing any "push/pull"  of any kind they will not get the  award.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:47
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The vehicle climbs the cable.  I can't remember the book or the author -
someone on the list will - but there's a sci-fi story about just this thing
- complete with some math and physics.  Wonderful story.  Who can remember?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  9 15:27:36 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:27:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D5F1807E42EF4915B63E3A3DC04CA018@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I think the laser supplies the lift with energy... They actually had planes
flying with the use of micro-waves being beamed at them as Micro-waves are
very directional...laser are even more so...like a remote plug in power
cable.

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

Max


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  9 16:46:49 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:46:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is some more information on geosynchronous orbits, from our friends at
wikipedia again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

The main problem with this whole concept is the weight of the cable and the
added drag from the shearing force caused the friction of the atmosphere.
 
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

Check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

And I think this may be the book I'm thinking of - from the Wiki article:

In 1979, space elevators were introduced to a broader audience with the
simultaneous publication of Arthur C. Clarke's novel, The Fountains of
Paradise, in which engineers construct a space elevator on top of a mountain
peak in the fictional island country of Taprobane (loosely based on Sri
Lanka, albeit moved south to the Equator),

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is
there for stability.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a
rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles
up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that
could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

What is the purpose of the cable?

If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be
on 35,000 km cable?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/

The future is coming...

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From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us  Mon Nov  9 17:26:39 2009
From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:26:39 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
	<B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F1CFDBE@ntx7>

I think I read that the cable was an ultra thin carbon fiber made from buckyballs/carbon nanotubes.



PR

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



Here is some more information on geosynchronous orbits, from our friends at

wikipedia again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit



The main problem with this whole concept is the weight of the cable and the

added drag from the shearing force caused the friction of the atmosphere.



Jim





-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:51 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



Check this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator



And I think this may be the book I'm thinking of - from the Wiki article:



In 1979, space elevators were introduced to a broader audience with the

simultaneous publication of Arthur C. Clarke's novel, The Fountains of

Paradise, in which engineers construct a space elevator on top of a mountain

peak in the fictional island country of Taprobane (loosely based on Sri

Lanka, albeit moved south to the Equator),



Rocky





-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is

there for stability.



Max





-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a

rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles

up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that

could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.



Lambert



-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



What is the purpose of the cable?



If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?



Max





-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be

on 35,000 km cable?



Jim





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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo

Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/



The future is coming...



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  9 16:28:30 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:28:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password
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Max:

Make sure you have the SATA settings on... as the older motherboards were
set to IDE by default.

JIm

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:49 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Yes, I just selected "default" and  it gave me the system back with basic
windows etc, but everything on the HD appears to be gone.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:43
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

You might want to look around the BIOS screens for an option to reload all
the default settings too. The settings in force after the battery in/out
move might be sub-optimal.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:35 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Wow, that was a bit  easy.  I just flicked out the cmos battery, waited a
few secs,  put it back in and rebooted.

Thanks Jon

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 09 November 2009 15:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Check out the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Some of them are
reset by removing the CMOS battery, some by setting a jumper on the board.
Others might need some kind of override on the BIOS or something.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] BIOS Password

Hi,

I have an old PC which I want to give to somebody but I cannot recall the
BIOS password.

I intend to wipe it clean and do a fresh install for him but cannot get in
to it - some password eh?

I am not really interested in the contents of the HD but would like to check
for any stuff first if it was possible to get it booted.

Any suggestions guys?

Max


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  9 23:56:32 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:56:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F1CFDBE@ntx7>
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Message-ID: <0FE6E035503C45B6AD0D1423A5ECC2D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I wonder what the weight is per kilometer?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty

I think I read that the cable was an ultra thin carbon fiber made from
buckyballs/carbon nanotubes.



PR

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



Here is some more information on geosynchronous orbits, from our friends at

wikipedia again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit



The main problem with this whole concept is the weight of the cable and the

added drag from the shearing force caused the friction of the atmosphere.



Jim





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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:51 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



Check this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator



And I think this may be the book I'm thinking of - from the Wiki article:



In 1979, space elevators were introduced to a broader audience with the

simultaneous publication of Arthur C. Clarke's novel, The Fountains of

Paradise, in which engineers construct a space elevator on top of a mountain

peak in the fictional island country of Taprobane (loosely based on Sri

Lanka, albeit moved south to the Equator),



Rocky





-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



No, it is the force of the laser which takes it up.  The  cable, afaik, is

there for stability.



Max





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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

Sent: 09 November 2009 15:23

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



The point of the cable is to use it to get things into space without using a

rocket. The theory is that given a geostationary satellite (@ 22,000 miles

up) you could have a cable running all the way down to the ground and that

could be used to get more stuff up there without rockets.



Lambert



-----Original Message-----

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:58 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



What is the purpose of the cable?



If it is just to "guide" then why not use a laser beam?



Max





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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Sent: 08 November 2009 17:36

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



That is real cool... I wonder what the effects of wind and weather would be

on 35,000 km cable?



Jim





-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:39 AM

To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'

Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737313/ns/technology_and_science-space/



The future is coming...



Max





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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 10 09:43:51 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:43:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
Message-ID: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>

In my list of installed programs I have 

Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (No size)

Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (184MB)

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack2 (178MB)

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP! (28.18MB)

DO I need all those versions?

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:54:54 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:54:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word save when existing question
Message-ID: <04C78306CE604B6FB4B348BC45E4C798@SusanOne>

Why does Word ask me if I want to save changes when exiting a document that 
I haven't changed? I know I've read about this somewhere, but now... I just 
can't remember what I read.

Thanks!
Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 13:00:06 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:00:06 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word save when existing question
In-Reply-To: <04C78306CE604B6FB4B348BC45E4C798@SusanOne>
References: <04C78306CE604B6FB4B348BC45E4C798@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4af9b83b.0a04d00a.594c.ffffcabe@mx.google.com>

Could be you have some properties being auto-updated, eg a date field which
is set to enter "today's date"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 November 2009 18:55
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word save when existing question

Why does Word ask me if I want to save changes when exiting a document that 
I haven't changed? I know I've read about this somewhere, but now... I just 
can't remember what I read.

Thanks!
Susan H. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 10 13:21:35 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:21:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
In-Reply-To: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>
References: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

I do not think they are as each version supersedes the other.

They are needed only if you have compiled a module under one Framework or
the other as builds may not be fully backward compatible. The latest
Framework supports all previous versions. There were issues between 1.1 and
version so that version should not used.

If you are challenged for room or just wanting to clean up and have no old
code to manage just uninstall all versions and re-install the latest.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:44 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS

In my list of installed programs I have 

Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (No size)

Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (184MB)

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack2 (178MB)

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP! (28.18MB)

DO I need all those versions?

MTIA

 

Rocky

 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 10 15:01:57 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:01:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
In-Reply-To: <57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>,
	<57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I understand it, they are like the old VB runtimes.  ie if you have a VB4 application and a 
VB6 application, you needed to have both runtimes on your machine.   Same to a certain 
extent with .net frameworks.

Here's a couple of pointers:

http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_net_framework_and_do_i_need_all_these_versions.html

and

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/07/20/multiple-versions-of-microsoft-net-
framework-in-add-or-remove-programs/

<quote>
In short, it is a must to have have .NET Framework 2 and 3 installed for 3.5. As for .NET 
Framework 1.0 and 1.1, you can safely uninstall them. Do note that there are some 
applications that are configured to use specific versions of .NET even though you have the 
latest one installed. If you get that error, you can reinstall back the .NET Framework 1.0 / 
1.1.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart

On 10 Nov 2009 at 11:21, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I do not think they are as each version supersedes the other.
> 
> They are needed only if you have compiled a module under one Framework or
> the other as builds may not be fully backward compatible. The latest
> Framework supports all previous versions. There were issues between 1.1 and
> version so that version should not used.
> 
> If you are challenged for room or just wanting to clean up and have no old
> code to manage just uninstall all versions and re-install the latest.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:44 AM
> To: List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
> 
> In my list of installed programs I have 
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (No size)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (184MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack2 (178MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP! (28.18MB)
> 
> DO I need all those versions?
> 
> MTIA
> 
>  
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 10 15:43:32 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:43:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
In-Reply-To: <4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>,
	<57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <263B26E46A5B43399374BA3FBC812609@HAL9005>

Well, this looks like the definitive answer from your link:

To cut to the chase: I wouldn't delete a thing. It possible that you do, in
fact, need all those different versions of .NET - or not. We could go
through a long exhaustive search to see which programs you have installed
might require one version or the other, but in my opinion it's just not
worth it.

Disk space is cheap.  It ain't broke.  I'll stop trying to fix it. 

Thanks to all.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS

As I understand it, they are like the old VB runtimes.  ie if you have a VB4
application and a 
VB6 application, you needed to have both runtimes on your machine.   Same to
a certain 
extent with .net frameworks.

Here's a couple of pointers:

http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_net_framework_and_do_i_need_all_these_version
s.html

and

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/07/20/multiple-versions-of-microsof
t-net-
framework-in-add-or-remove-programs/

<quote>
In short, it is a must to have have .NET Framework 2 and 3 installed for
3.5. As for .NET Framework 1.0 and 1.1, you can safely uninstall them. Do
note that there are some applications that are configured to use specific
versions of .NET even though you have the latest one installed. If you get
that error, you can reinstall back the .NET Framework 1.0 / 1.1.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart

On 10 Nov 2009 at 11:21, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I do not think they are as each version supersedes the other.
> 
> They are needed only if you have compiled a module under one Framework or
> the other as builds may not be fully backward compatible. The latest
> Framework supports all previous versions. There were issues between 1.1
and
> version so that version should not used.
> 
> If you are challenged for room or just wanting to clean up and have no old
> code to manage just uninstall all versions and re-install the latest.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:44 AM
> To: List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
> 
> In my list of installed programs I have 
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (No size)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (184MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack2 (178MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP! (28.18MB)
> 
> DO I need all those versions?
> 
> MTIA
> 
>  
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Nov 10 16:59:24 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:59:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word save when existing question
In-Reply-To: <04C78306CE604B6FB4B348BC45E4C798@SusanOne>
References: <04C78306CE604B6FB4B348BC45E4C798@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AF9F04C.3000405@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,

If one opens a dialog box and makes no changes, but uses the close or OK 
button to close it instead of the cancel button or ESC key, the program 
treats that as a change.  The command sent in to the CPU is something 
like this:  "look at the settings in this dialog box and accept them."   
It makes no difference at all that the user didn't actually make any 
changes, the computer got a command to accept settings and interprets 
that as a change.

I hope this is helpful,
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> Why does Word ask me if I want to save changes when exiting a document that 
> I haven't changed? I know I've read about this somewhere, but now... I just 
> can't remember what I read.
>
> Thanks!
> Susan H. 
>
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>
>   


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 11 05:42:14 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:42:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Program in Linux and Windows
In-Reply-To: <4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>
	<57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <9B4D8504ABF942E3B533FA4CDA2A2F5E@creativesystemdesigns.com>


According to the article at the end of the link:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/novell-plugs-linux-developers-vis
ual-studio-655

...we can program, using Visual Studio in Microsoft IDE for cross-platform
application development. The possibility has been discussed for years and
now it looks like it is a reality.

Jim



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 11 06:35:41 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:35:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Program in Linux and Windows
Message-ID: <safabdbb.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Interesting! Download is here:

http://go-mono.com/monovs/

and a single license is USD 99 for one year of updates and support.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-11-2009 12:42 >>>

According to the article at the end of the link:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/novell-plugs-linux-developers-visual-studio-655

...we can program, using Visual Studio in Microsoft IDE for cross-platform
application development. The possibility has been discussed for years and
now it looks like it is a reality.

Jim




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 11 07:08:51 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:08:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Program in Linux and Windows
Message-ID: <safac595.005@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Note that it can create a SUSE Powered Appliance - a VMware vmdk file - ready to go:

  http://go-mono.com/monovs/guides/blog_engine_round_trip/create_appliance/

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-11-2009 13:35 >>>
Hi Jim

Interesting! Download is here:

http://go-mono.com/monovs/ 

and a single license is USD 99 for one year of updates and support.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-11-2009 12:42 >>>

According to the article at the end of the link:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/novell-plugs-linux-developers-visual-studio-655 

...we can program, using Visual Studio in Microsoft IDE for cross-platform
application development. The possibility has been discussed for years and
now it looks like it is a reality.

Jim




From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us  Tue Nov 10 13:57:47 2009
From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:57:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beam  me up Scotty
In-Reply-To: <0FE6E035503C45B6AD0D1423A5ECC2D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
	<B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F1CFDBE@ntx7>
	<0FE6E035503C45B6AD0D1423A5ECC2D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F23103D@ntx7>

I couldn?t find information on the weight of the proposed ribbon, and I?m sure as the technology grows, that the space elevator will happen.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength

The newly discovered colossal carbon tube<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_carbon_tube> is a variant of the carbon nanotube on a much larger scale. Its breaking length is 6066 km, sufficient to build a space elevator, and has been fabricated in larger sizes (on the scale of centimeters) than carbon nanotubes.
Specific tensile strength of various materials

Material<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material>  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

Strength
(MPa<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megapascal>)  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

Density
(g/cm?<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density>)  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

Specific Strength
(kN?m/kg)  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

Breaking length
(km<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilometer>)  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

source  [cid:image001.gif at 01CA61D3.10434C00] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength>

Carbon nanotube<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube>

62,000

1.34

46,268

4,716

Colossal carbon tube<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_carbon_tube>

6,900

.116

59,483

6,066

[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength#cite_note-CCT-11>






Another interesting article on how the space elevator might work.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space-elevator.htm







PR

Phil Rosenkranz | Program Coordinator/Applications Specialist |  Yakima County Public Services

Direct 509.574.2250 | Toll Free 800.572.7354 | Fax 509.574.2301



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:57 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beam me up Scotty



I wonder what the weight is per kilometer?



Jim

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:56:36 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:56:36 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Script errors
In-Reply-To: <safac595.005@cactus.dk>
References: <safac595.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4afaeccc.170d660a.653f.3dff@mx.google.com>


I keep getting this error with IE.

"An error has occurred in the script on this page"

Any idea how to turn this off.  I have checked everything  in options that
looks remotely like it might  do  the job, but it comes up on every page I
access.

Thanks

Max




From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 11 11:00:18 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:00:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Script errors
In-Reply-To: <4afaeccc.170d660a.653f.3dff@mx.google.com>
References: <safac595.005@cactus.dk>
	<4afaeccc.170d660a.653f.3dff@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4AFAEDA2.7040706@earthlink.net>

Max,

Is 
http://www.vistaarticles.com/articles/168/1/An-Error-Has-Occurred-in-the-Script-on-This-Page 
relevant?

PB

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> I keep getting this error with IE.
>
> "An error has occurred in the script on this page"
>
> Any idea how to turn this off.  I have checked everything  in options that
> looks remotely like it might  do  the job, but it comes up on every page I
> access.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
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>
>   


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:19:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:19:43 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE Script errors
In-Reply-To: <4AFAEDA2.7040706@earthlink.net>
References: <safac595.005@cactus.dk>	<4afaeccc.170d660a.653f.3dff@mx.google.com>
	<4AFAEDA2.7040706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4afaf233.07a5660a.5f7a.73b5@mx.google.com>

Thanks Peter,

That did not work, but I saw that the script  error  was always related to
the AOL browser toolbar, so I disabled that and it appears to have done the
trick.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: 11 November 2009 17:00
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE Script errors

Max,

Is 
http://www.vistaarticles.com/articles/168/1/An-Error-Has-Occurred-in-the-Scr
ipt-on-This-Page 
relevant?

PB

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> I keep getting this error with IE.
>
> "An error has occurred in the script on this page"
>
> Any idea how to turn this off.  I have checked everything  in options that
> looks remotely like it might  do  the job, but it comes up on every page I
> access.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 11 11:57:03 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:57:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
In-Reply-To: <4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <C0C5A6070F554A458E19FA5FB7670E34@HAL9005>
	<57CB6A1B17CF44B6AE4BC411E3E44910@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF9D4C5.30964.9331322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <291A6093B19A4A0EA5E7EECEDD67F8B2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have never looked to close are the particular .Net framework(s) on any
client's computers. 

If it is like the links you have provided, it can be very gross and will
only grow worse as desktop applications are brought forward from older
systems. I wonder at what point it all hits the wall. When doing a new
install all the versions of Framework are not included.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS

As I understand it, they are like the old VB runtimes.  ie if you have a VB4
application and a 
VB6 application, you needed to have both runtimes on your machine.   Same to
a certain 
extent with .net frameworks.

Here's a couple of pointers:

http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_net_framework_and_do_i_need_all_these_version
s.html

and

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/07/20/multiple-versions-of-microsof
t-net-
framework-in-add-or-remove-programs/

<quote>
In short, it is a must to have have .NET Framework 2 and 3 installed for
3.5. As for .NET 
Framework 1.0 and 1.1, you can safely uninstall them. Do note that there are
some 
applications that are configured to use specific versions of .NET even
though you have the 
latest one installed. If you get that error, you can reinstall back the .NET
Framework 1.0 / 
1.1.
</quote>

-- 
Stuart

On 10 Nov 2009 at 11:21, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Rocky:
> 
> I do not think they are as each version supersedes the other.
> 
> They are needed only if you have compiled a module under one Framework or
> the other as builds may not be fully backward compatible. The latest
> Framework supports all previous versions. There were issues between 1.1
and
> version so that version should not used.
> 
> If you are challenged for room or just wanting to clean up and have no old
> code to manage just uninstall all versions and re-install the latest.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:44 AM
> To: List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Extra .NETS
> 
> In my list of installed programs I have 
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (No size)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (184MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack2 (178MB)
> 
> Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP! (28.18MB)
> 
> DO I need all those versions?
> 
> MTIA
> 
>  
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 12 05:24:27 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:24:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] New features for BING
In-Reply-To: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F23103D@ntx7>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
	<B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F1CFDBE@ntx7>
	<0FE6E035503C45B6AD0D1423A5ECC2D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F23103D@ntx7>
Message-ID: <982C3CDBA48F466F9D3EFA4F4D5E4488@creativesystemdesigns.com>

BING, the new Microsft search engine is getting a bunch more features. Some
of them look very interesting.

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/11/bing-gets-a-bunch-of-new-search
-features

Jim



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 08:19:11 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:19:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
Message-ID: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>

My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not 
good, right?

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 13 08:56:33 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:56:33 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <9C8DEE3746E847FF9CA6497538D69D45@HAL9005>

Can't be good.  Could be the bearing going out.  But it's kind enough to
give you a warning.  I'd start putting a copy of everything on an external
drive.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:19 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
good, right?

Susan H. 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 13 08:59:46 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:59:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <9E755446856149FE9265F20F35FD1D9B@danwaters>

Hi Susan,

Go Here Now!  http://www.westerndigital.com/en/

Get the drive part number you need.

Then go here.  http://www.amazon.com

Be safe!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not 
good, right?

Susan H. 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 11:11:04 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:11:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950911130911s273569e8u3346728d1fb40730@mail.gmail.com>

As Rocky said, nice enough of it to give you warning. Might go on like
that for a long time. Or not work the next time you try to use it.
Back up more frequently and thoroughly at the least and get a
replacement lined up if you can. A tool like Spinrite could maybe help
but if it's bearings there isn't much that can be done short of
replacement.

Good luck. May the force be with you.

GK

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
> good, right?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 13 12:58:36 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:58:36 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>

Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
yes but not whine.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not 
good, right?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 14:39:43 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:39:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
Message-ID: <543A5EF5306345BBBCEBE3BE1B3BD49B@SusanOne>

It could be anything John -- the computer is exhibiting other symptoms. I 
can be working fine, with several apps open, and no problem and then all the 
sudden, it just locks up and I have to hard boot -- I get that End Program 
message from Windows alot. I try to close things down properly and sometimes 
I can, but just as often... I have to turn off the power.

Then this morning... the whine.

It's an old computer and I don't mind repairing rather than buying new -- I 
just don't need anything more powerful for writing and that's all I'm doing 
now.

Interestingly, the same thing's happening to both systems. I keep them 
turned off at night now instead of leaving them on 24/7 and for some reason, 
that seems to help.

Susan H.


> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
> yes but not whine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
> good, right?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 13 15:47:51 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:47:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <543A5EF5306345BBBCEBE3BE1B3BD49B@SusanOne>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
	<543A5EF5306345BBBCEBE3BE1B3BD49B@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C14A5FE6636742C788CBE9C0AA38F160@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Check your power supply as well as your CPU fan. If the power fan or CPU fan
are having issues sometime the system will just stop. The CPU fan generally
can get away with a dusting with a que-tip and maybe a very small dot of oil
under the lable in the fan center.

Cheap Power fans only run for about 2 to 5 years. If you have any
intermittent power issues where you are at note that the power fan unit is
designed to quit before any damage to the motherboard. In my line of work I
replace one to two a week.

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

It could be anything John -- the computer is exhibiting other symptoms. I 
can be working fine, with several apps open, and no problem and then all the

sudden, it just locks up and I have to hard boot -- I get that End Program 
message from Windows alot. I try to close things down properly and sometimes

I can, but just as often... I have to turn off the power.

Then this morning... the whine.

It's an old computer and I don't mind repairing rather than buying new -- I 
just don't need anything more powerful for writing and that's all I'm doing 
now.

Interestingly, the same thing's happening to both systems. I keep them 
turned off at night now instead of leaving them on 24/7 and for some reason,

that seems to help.

Susan H.


> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
> yes but not whine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
> good, right?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From bgeldart at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 16:00:04 2009
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:00:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
Message-ID: <0KT200L2EIHFK7QB@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

FWIW --

My Dell Inspiron over a year ago started this surging whine--very 
quietly but noticeably. May have been going on for some time, but 
didn't seem to notice it until after I'd had it a year or so. Went 
out and got another drive as a clone backup, using a drive dock 
(toaster) and Acronis.

After more than a year, I'm now of the opinion that it's the fan. I 
think the power supply is set to surge this way, somewhat like when 
it is first turned on.

I do clone the drive every couple of weeks, though, just to be on the 
safe side. I know drives fail, but in my experience with dozens of 
PCs since 1980, personal and professional, I think I've only had 3 or 
4 fail on me.

Bob

At 11/13/2009 01:58 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
>yes but not whine.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
>To: DBA Tech List
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
>My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
>good, right?
>
>Susan H.


Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
Maynard, MA  

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 13 17:19:40 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:19:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <0KT200L2EIHFK7QB@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
	<0KT200L2EIHFK7QB@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4AFDE98C.7040205@earthlink.net>

Yes, I've got rid of such a whine and heat-related freezeups by 
replacing the CPU fan.

PB

Bob Geldart wrote:
> FWIW --
>
> My Dell Inspiron over a year ago started this surging whine--very 
> quietly but noticeably. May have been going on for some time, but 
> didn't seem to notice it until after I'd had it a year or so. Went 
> out and got another drive as a clone backup, using a drive dock 
> (toaster) and Acronis.
>
> After more than a year, I'm now of the opinion that it's the fan. I 
> think the power supply is set to surge this way, somewhat like when 
> it is first turned on.
>
> I do clone the drive every couple of weeks, though, just to be on the 
> safe side. I know drives fail, but in my experience with dozens of 
> PCs since 1980, personal and professional, I think I've only had 3 or 
> 4 fail on me.
>
> Bob
>
> At 11/13/2009 01:58 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
>> yes but not whine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
>> To: DBA Tech List
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>>
>> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
>> good, right?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>     
>
>
> Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
> Maynard, MA  
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>   


From kens.programming at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 17:24:36 2009
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (kens.programming)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:24:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
In-Reply-To: <C14A5FE6636742C788CBE9C0AA38F160@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>
	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net>
	<543A5EF5306345BBBCEBE3BE1B3BD49B@SusanOne>
	<C14A5FE6636742C788CBE9C0AA38F160@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <DED91D5F745D46E18F443B0DA894B2AD@STOKER.com>

Susan,

I had some very similar issues with my computer.  My office just seems to
collect dust, especially in my boxes.  I removed the fans from the top of
the heatsinks and vacuumed out the heatsink coils and after buttoning them
back on, she runs quietly and I haven't had the freeze ups since.

Thanks
 
Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:48 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

Check your power supply as well as your CPU fan. If the power fan or CPU fan
are having issues sometime the system will just stop. The CPU fan generally
can get away with a dusting with a que-tip and maybe a very small dot of oil
under the lable in the fan center.

Cheap Power fans only run for about 2 to 5 years. If you have any
intermittent power issues where you are at note that the power fan unit is
designed to quit before any damage to the motherboard. In my line of work I
replace one to two a week.

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hard drive

It could be anything John -- the computer is exhibiting other symptoms. I 
can be working fine, with several apps open, and no problem and then all the

sudden, it just locks up and I have to hard boot -- I get that End Program 
message from Windows alot. I try to close things down properly and sometimes

I can, but just as often... I have to turn off the power.

Then this morning... the whine.

It's an old computer and I don't mind repairing rather than buying new -- I 
just don't need anything more powerful for writing and that's all I'm doing 
now.

Interestingly, the same thing's happening to both systems. I keep them 
turned off at night now instead of leaving them on 24/7 and for some reason,

that seems to help.

Susan H.


> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
> yes but not whine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
> good, right?
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 19:19:06 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:19:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne>	<026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net><0KT200L2EIHFK7QB@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<4AFDE98C.7040205@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7DC2254695664F15BBF9457518E8EE19@SusanOne>

Well, I hadn't considered that, but it seems like a good place to start.

Susan H.

> Yes, I've got rid of such a whine and heat-related freezeups by
> replacing the CPU fan.
>
> PB
>
> Bob Geldart wrote:
>> FWIW --
>>
>> My Dell Inspiron over a year ago started this surging whine--very
>> quietly but noticeably. May have been going on for some time, but
>> didn't seem to notice it until after I'd had it a year or so. Went
>> out and got another drive as a clone backup, using a drive dock
>> (toaster) and Acronis.
>>
>> After more than a year, I'm now of the opinion that it's the fan. I
>> think the power supply is set to surge this way, somewhat like when
>> it is first turned on.
>>
>> I do clone the drive every couple of weeks, though, just to be on the
>> safe side. I know drives fail, but in my experience with dozens of
>> PCs since 1980, personal and professional, I think I've only had 3 or
>> 4 fail on me.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> At 11/13/2009 01:58 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>>
>>> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. 
>>> Click
>>> yes but not whine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
>>> Harkins
>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
>>> To: DBA Tech List
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>>>
>>> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
>>> good, right?
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
>> Maynard, MA
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 11/13/09 07:54:00
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 19:19:33 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:19:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
References: <435CAE3DD0E14FB7A1812882DA6932AE@SusanOne><026a01ca6493$4e109480$ea31bd80$@net><543A5EF5306345BBBCEBE3BE1B3BD49B@SusanOne><C14A5FE6636742C788CBE9C0AA38F160@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DED91D5F745D46E18F443B0DA894B2AD@STOKER.com>
Message-ID: <F8FB5AF9B50740DBB7248B01FA09FDF7@SusanOne>

Another good suggestion. I'll definitely try it.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> I had some very similar issues with my computer.  My office just seems to
> collect dust, especially in my boxes.  I removed the fans from the top of
> the heatsinks and vacuumed out the heatsink coils and after buttoning them
> back on, she runs quietly and I haven't had the freeze ups since.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
> Check your power supply as well as your CPU fan. If the power fan or CPU 
> fan
> are having issues sometime the system will just stop. The CPU fan 
> generally
> can get away with a dusting with a que-tip and maybe a very small dot of 
> oil
> under the lable in the fan center.
>
> Cheap Power fans only run for about 2 to 5 years. If you have any
> intermittent power issues where you are at note that the power fan unit is
> designed to quit before any damage to the motherboard. In my line of work 
> I
> replace one to two a week.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:40 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>
> It could be anything John -- the computer is exhibiting other symptoms. I
> can be working fine, with several apps open, and no problem and then all 
> the
>
> sudden, it just locks up and I have to hard boot -- I get that End Program
> message from Windows alot. I try to close things down properly and 
> sometimes
>
> I can, but just as often... I have to turn off the power.
>
> Then this morning... the whine.
>
> It's an old computer and I don't mind repairing rather than buying new --  
> I
> just don't need anything more powerful for writing and that's all I'm 
> doing
> now.
>
> Interestingly, the same thing's happening to both systems. I keep them
> turned off at night now instead of leaving them on 24/7 and for some 
> reason,
>
> that seems to help.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Are you sure it's not the fan? I've never heard a hard drive whine. Click
>> yes but not whine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:19 AM
>> To: DBA Tech List
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard drive
>>
>> My hard drive is beginning to whine ever once in a while -- probably not
>> good, right?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 15 18:59:48 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:59:48 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] google dreamers?
Message-ID: <4B00A404.4070103@earthlink.net>

Google management say that after they update Google Docs 30-50 times, 
it'll be on a par with Word, and then "most enterprises will be able to 
get rid of Microsoft Office" 
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/google_on_docs_and_office/). 
Don't many Office customers rely on interplay amongst Word, Excel & 
Access? What are Google planners smoking?

PB


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 15 19:08:26 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:08:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The glorious rant
In-Reply-To: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F23103D@ntx7>
References: <c7fd28d00910311829x60000963s1fd2515fde14b081@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF33182.15572.39D9197@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4996D3B7113643A2AD26C5E0F3B29991@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4AF39505.16766.2BFA84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865850ED3344117A3C54742DBF1AB5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af5791c.1818d00a.4ff4.5fba@mx.google.com>
	<4C017FE441CE46F1AC2BA9D3062E045E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4af82dfb.0a1ad00a.234c.ffff9604@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23D5E807@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4af8369a.05ae660a.5e9b.3451@mx.google.com>
	<C49F1205B1984C959EA6273007BE3A9B@HAL9005>
	<B9C6385D1E3947DAA9B93DB16CE515DE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F1CFDBE@ntx7>
	<0FE6E035503C45B6AD0D1423A5ECC2D5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469046F23103D@ntx7>
Message-ID: <51D5F47086AC4BC28C5FD2E7906C8D4F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This is what happens when OT is mixed with the Tech list:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtm
l-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454

So be careful.

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 15 19:39:34 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:39:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] google dreamers?
In-Reply-To: <4B00A404.4070103@earthlink.net>
References: <4B00A404.4070103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9C1F0434922D4A059A8FA002047C9543@creativesystemdesigns.com>

In theory, Google has both a document, spreadsheet and presentation
application which can share data.... not to mention Gmail and cross-platform
browser Chrome/Chromium and a host of other related apps. In the meantime,
so as to leave the field wide open Microsoft has been dumbing down MS
Access. (MS realizes that if you make a program so simple any idiot can use
it only a idiot will want to use it) <evil grin>

I think Google is throwing down the gauntlet and staking out 'their'
territory. Microsoft is trying to do the same with some new up and coming
cloud and web apps of their own as well as pushing SharePoint but they are a
little behind the curve and may even be a little extended after reducing
many of their development staff.

Right now Microsoft is getting hit from all sides. OpenOffice, which a
couple of years ago was a fairly buggy package has finally matured and will
share data between their apps... and you can not beat the price on the
desktop. People have started to actually ask for OO so people are learning
even though I have been continually recommending MSOffice for the desktop.

Then there is the Virtual drives. These are just drives used by customers so
they can extend their use of older office packages.

..and finally Google is coming on strong.

Jim 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] google dreamers?

Google management say that after they update Google Docs 30-50 times, 
it'll be on a par with Word, and then "most enterprises will be able to 
get rid of Microsoft Office" 
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/google_on_docs_and_office/). 
Don't many Office customers rely on interplay amongst Word, Excel & 
Access? What are Google planners smoking?

PB
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 07:57:34 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:57:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] You too, can be famous! ;)
Message-ID: <F3418422EE0A45E6887D2B9086104C8B@SusanOne>



I'm going to write a series of articles of favorite/least favorite
tips/features in the Office applications. The selling point is they're not
mine, but from developers at large. If you want to play, I'll include your
contact information in the article -- similar to the security and add-in
articles I wrote last year.

<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497>

I'm starting with Word -- if you're interested, I'll need your favorite
all-time Word tip/feature and your least favorite feature.  Please mail them 
to me privately -- ss harkins at gmail dot com -- so we don't upset the kind 
moderators!

Thanks!
Susan 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 16:06:29 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:06:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
Message-ID: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>

I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, double-click, 
enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working with 
people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!

Susan H. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 16 16:11:02 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:11:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
References: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B01CDF6.25299.3435522@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do you need to enter different times, or are you just interested in the current time in 
different locations?


On 16 Nov 2009 at 17:06, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, double-click, 
> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working with 
> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Mon Nov 16 16:14:56 2009
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
References: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B01CEE0.6080007@trapo.com>

Try the World Clock add-on to Firefox
(https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12142).

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, double-click, 
> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working with 
> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!
>
> Susan H. 
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>   


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 16:15:53 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:15:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
References: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
	<4B01CDF6.25299.3435522@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <8EEECAED3BDC4685AFBE60C078AD902F@SusanOne>

Different times.

Susan H.


> Do you need to enter different times, or are you just interested in the 
> current time in
> different locations?
>
>> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, 
>> double-click,
>> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working 
>> with
>> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 16 16:17:37 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:17:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
References: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F41667EAE0F9409A814A9A57D34546C3@danwaters>

Hi Susan,

If you double-click on your clock in the task bar, the clock screen will
open.  The 2nd tab is call 'Time Zones'.  Select the right time zone and
push Apply.  Then go back to the clock to see the correct time.

This is a clunky solution (you'll need to change it back), but perhaps it
will help till you find something better.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:06 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones

I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, double-click,

enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working with 
people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 16:18:13 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:18:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
References: <76C1E3945E8A4771A2FDC1E4697881B2@SusanOne>
	<4B01CEE0.6080007@trapo.com>
Message-ID: <28BCD19B863443828FD382A8E4681238@SusanOne>

I'm using IE. My copy of Firefox ate itself several months ago. I've not 
bothered to reinstall it.

Susan H.


> Try the World Clock add-on to Firefox
> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12142).
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, 
>> double-click,
>> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working 
>> with
>> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov 16 16:39:50 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:39:50 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <28BCD19B863443828FD382A8E4681238@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3213A3B0A7354729A35C8FF4CE563942@MINSTER>

Hi Susan

I rely on http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Easy-peasy

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 16 November 2009 22:18
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] time zones


I'm using IE. My copy of Firefox ate itself several months ago. I've not 
bothered to reinstall it.

Susan H.


> Try the World Clock add-on to Firefox
> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12142).
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar, 
>> double-click,
>> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working 
>> with
>> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 03:40:03 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:40:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <3213A3B0A7354729A35C8FF4CE563942@MINSTER>
References: <28BCD19B863443828FD382A8E4681238@SusanOne>
	<3213A3B0A7354729A35C8FF4CE563942@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00911170140j477cda10n48601be5f4743197@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Susan,

Me too, and as Andy says, it is easy-peasy.

If you are struggling with the added complications of day light saving
times, you will love the feature that says "Time now in Dublin is 09:38".
 This takes the ambiguity out of it you may be GMT-5  and may know that
Dublin is GMT+0, but do we  add or subtract an hour for day light saving
time?????  So that is why I love Time now is .......

As I have said before, I cannot understand why the whole world does not just
use the same time as me in Ireland :)

Mark


2009/11/16 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi Susan
>
> I rely on http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
>
> Easy-peasy
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 16 November 2009 22:18
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] time zones
>
>
> I'm using IE. My copy of Firefox ate itself several months ago. I've not
> bothered to reinstall it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Try the World Clock add-on to Firefox
> > (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12142).
> >
> > Susan Harkins wrote:
> >> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar,
> >> double-click,
> >> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working
> >> with
> >> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:31:44 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:31:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] time zones
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00911170140j477cda10n48601be5f4743197@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28BCD19B863443828FD382A8E4681238@SusanOne>	<3213A3B0A7354729A35C8FF4CE563942@MINSTER>
	<c7fd28d00911170140j477cda10n48601be5f4743197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b02de06.0837560a.0ee9.ffffa3bf@mx.google.com>

Is it possible to have this in the system tray?

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 17 November 2009 09:40
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] time zones

Hi Susan,

Me too, and as Andy says, it is easy-peasy.

If you are struggling with the added complications of day light saving
times, you will love the feature that says "Time now in Dublin is 09:38".
 This takes the ambiguity out of it you may be GMT-5  and may know that
Dublin is GMT+0, but do we  add or subtract an hour for day light saving
time?????  So that is why I love Time now is .......

As I have said before, I cannot understand why the whole world does not just
use the same time as me in Ireland :)

Mark


2009/11/16 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi Susan
>
> I rely on http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
>
> Easy-peasy
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 16 November 2009 22:18
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] time zones
>
>
> I'm using IE. My copy of Firefox ate itself several months ago. I've not
> bothered to reinstall it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Try the World Clock add-on to Firefox
> > (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12142).
> >
> > Susan Harkins wrote:
> >> I desperately need a small app that I can add to the task bar,
> >> double-click,
> >> enter a time and get the right time in another time zone. I'm working
> >> with
> >> people all over the world right now and it's driving me nuts!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 17 11:59:46 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:59:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Paul Spinks
Message-ID: <4B02E492.80006@earthlink.net>

Wikipedia says he invented the pivot table in 1979. That'd be for Lotus. 
Anybody know how Microsoft acquired a trademark (!) on "Pivot Table"?

PB


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 18:19:54 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:19:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Paul Spinks
In-Reply-To: <4B02E492.80006@earthlink.net>
References: <4B02E492.80006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950911171619y6745d1c2p2e44724d06e14aba@mail.gmail.com>

I believe that pivot table with two words is the generic term and
PivotTable one word is the trademark

GK

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Wikipedia says he invented the pivot table in 1979. That'd be for Lotus.
> Anybody know how Microsoft acquired a trademark (!) on "Pivot Table"?
>
> PB
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>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 17 19:29:46 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:29:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Paul Spinks
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950911171619y6745d1c2p2e44724d06e14aba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B02E492.80006@earthlink.net>
	<aea6c4950911171619y6745d1c2p2e44724d06e14aba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B034E0A.5020906@earthlink.net>

Don't ya love Bill Gates!

PB

Gary Kjos wrote:
> I believe that pivot table with two words is the generic term and
> PivotTable one word is the trademark
>
> GK
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
>   
>> Wikipedia says he invented the pivot table in 1979. That'd be for Lotus.
>> Anybody know how Microsoft acquired a trademark (!) on "Pivot Table"?
>>
>> PB
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 18 10:27:09 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:27:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Machine SID Duplication Myth
Message-ID: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>

Wow, this is something of a surprise. Guess you can't always trust the
experts know what they're doing either:
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2009/11/03/3291024.aspx
 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 12:44:10 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:44:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Machine SID Duplication Myth
In-Reply-To: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
References: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
Message-ID: <96F0977A8DC34C40BB45CE9505FE6F5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That's a good one John. I wasted much of my youth changing SIDs ;-) There
are times when a whole building, 15 floors in one case and after cloning the
hundreds of PCs, we dutifully went from floor to floor, office to office
changing the SIDs from large check lists... The provincial government, our
employer at the time, is comprised of one huge domain of thousands of
computers only separated by various subnets and groups. This tedious
process, kept the company I was working for at the time, busy for months.

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:27 AM
To: _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Machine SID Duplication Myth

Wow, this is something of a surprise. Guess you can't always trust the
experts know what they're doing either:
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2009/11/03/3291024.aspx
 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 18 16:05:00 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:05:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Today's XKCD
In-Reply-To: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
References: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
Message-ID: <4B046F8C.17183.D8A8E9F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

How true!!!

http://xkcd.com/664/

-- 
Stuart





From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 16:48:27 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:48:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Today's XKCD
In-Reply-To: <4B046F8C.17183.D8A8E9F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
	<4B046F8C.17183.D8A8E9F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <748B75FA25714C1FAD06C98D919FC02E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I agree Stuart... If you ever walk on water it becomes an expectation and
the new standard that you must now continually maintain but not at an
increase in your rate.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Today's XKCD

How true!!!

http://xkcd.com/664/

-- 
Stuart



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 16:50:22 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:50:22 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new cloudy day
In-Reply-To: <96F0977A8DC34C40BB45CE9505FE6F5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
	<96F0977A8DC34C40BB45CE9505FE6F5F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <92F516140CB44D73AB70AF9AC5903362@creativesystemdesigns.com>


I do not know what to thing of this blog posting. It sounds intriguing:

http://jungleg.com/2009/11/17/microsoft-azure-is-the-new-outlook/

Any thoughts?

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 19 09:23:24 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:23:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Silverlight 4 free beta download
In-Reply-To: <4B046F8C.17183.D8A8E9F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <024301ca686b$f999b530$eccd1f90$@net>
	<4B046F8C.17183.D8A8E9F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <95F883832A1B4FCBB7CDB2BA6A117ACE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Silverlight 4 beta has announced a free beta download today. The following
link is to a blog that explains and show some code and/or description of the
products new features.

http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/11/18/whats-new-in-silverlight-4-compl
ete-guide-new-features.aspx?utm_source=Twitter-timheuer

Is Silverlight supposed to be Flash-killer or just a proprietary way to
deliver content to the browser? (the new desktop)

Jim



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 19 17:17:13 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:17:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaspersky?
Message-ID: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>

I'm trying to clean up a friend's computer. A MalwareBytes scan is still 
running; it's found 211 infections so far. Some of the trojans are 
webhijackers preventing any browser from connecting to the AVG or SpyBot 
site and redirecting security searches to malware sites masquerading as 
security software vendors.

The machine has a paid-for Kaspersky Antivirus installation running. 
Obviously Kaspersky failed bigtime. It even got a good review from CNet 
(have they been biought too?).

Anybody know anything about Kaspersky?

PB





From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 19 21:51:49 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:51:49 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaspersky?
In-Reply-To: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <032c01ca6994$c9ab6650$5d0232f0$@net>

I have removed it from a number of PCs. Things worked better when I replaced
it with Vipre ;o)

I just installed Vipre (site license) into an office that had these products
on various pcs: Norton, McAfee, Kaspersky, Avast, Norman, Xysoft(?),
Adaware, AVG, Spybot and OneCare every PC had some kind of infection except
one of the two Avast PCs (on which the user is somewhat computer literate).
It was an attorney's office! I can't imagine what kind of information could
have been reaped from there via spyware. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaspersky?

I'm trying to clean up a friend's computer. A MalwareBytes scan is still 
running; it's found 211 infections so far. Some of the trojans are 
webhijackers preventing any browser from connecting to the AVG or SpyBot 
site and redirecting security searches to malware sites masquerading as 
security software vendors.

The machine has a paid-for Kaspersky Antivirus installation running. 
Obviously Kaspersky failed bigtime. It even got a good review from CNet 
(have they been biought too?).

Anybody know anything about Kaspersky?

PB



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 20 08:12:49 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:12:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaspersky?
In-Reply-To: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F282A3A7CA4E417EA02A078103064886@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The only direct connection I have had with Kaspersky software was when I was
asked by a client to install they paid for version and the computer would no
longer boot up... Needless to say it was removed and I have never used it
since.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaspersky?

I'm trying to clean up a friend's computer. A MalwareBytes scan is still 
running; it's found 211 infections so far. Some of the trojans are 
webhijackers preventing any browser from connecting to the AVG or SpyBot 
site and redirecting security searches to malware sites masquerading as 
security software vendors.

The machine has a paid-for Kaspersky Antivirus installation running. 
Obviously Kaspersky failed bigtime. It even got a good review from CNet 
(have they been biought too?).

Anybody know anything about Kaspersky?

PB



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 19:23:19 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:23:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anyone help this reader with PP?
Message-ID: <F3A5D60492E94E6089B6199B61DE20B5@SusanOne>

>From a reader: 

I found your instructions for looping an introductory portion of a presentation until the lower corner is clicked, where I installed an action button hyper linking the introduction/loop slides to the first slide in the actual presentation.  When I click on the action button, I am taken to the first slide in the presentation, which I've set up as a black slide.  This slide is set up to advance on mouse click, but instead of advancing to the next slide in the presentation it goes back to the last viewed slide in the introductory loop.  I've spent hours trying to figure this out and my presentation is due Monday.  I pray you can help.

I have Power Point version 2002

Susan H. 

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Nov 23 10:04:34 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anyone help this reader with PP?
In-Reply-To: <F3A5D60492E94E6089B6199B61DE20B5@SusanOne>
References: <F3A5D60492E94E6089B6199B61DE20B5@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B0AB292.1040306@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,
Just came across this - probably too late, but it sounds to me as though 
the mouse click action is simply pointed at the wrong thing, and not 
properly identifying the "next slide in the presentation."  Another 
thought - if nothing else works, how about sticking in a hypertext link 
to the correct slide.
All of this is off the top of my head - untested.
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> >From a reader: 
>
> I found your instructions for looping an introductory portion of a presentation until the lower corner is clicked, where I installed an action button hyper linking the introduction/loop slides to the first slide in the actual presentation.  When I click on the action button, I am taken to the first slide in the presentation, which I've set up as a black slide.  This slide is set up to advance on mouse click, but instead of advancing to the next slide in the presentation it goes back to the last viewed slide in the introductory loop.  I've spent hours trying to figure this out and my presentation is due Monday.  I pray you can help.
>
> I have Power Point version 2002
>
> Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 12:19:24 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:19:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook, browsing email question
Message-ID: <850AC903F6FB4466ADB2D5223E894CF9@SusanOne>

I've created an All Mail search folder, but thumbing through all the email 
is awkward. Is there a way to force Outlook to move from subfolder to 
subfolder (there are many) instead of from message to message?

Susan H. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 26 22:40:56 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:40:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The start of the internet...the first router
In-Reply-To: <032c01ca6994$c9ab6650$5d0232f0$@net>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
	<032c01ca6994$c9ab6650$5d0232f0$@net>
Message-ID: <8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Do you want to know where the first internet was started and the first
router that ran it...? Here it is:

http://www.motherboard.tv/2009/11/25/this-computer-gave-birth-to-the-interne
t

Great stuff... It should bring tears to any geeks eyes. 

Jim



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 27 07:56:57 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:56:57 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FFB611B9D0B54758B00DB54A899CE498@MINSTER>

Hi all

Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets
sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows
works.

Cheers

Andy



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Nov 27 08:03:37 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:03:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <FFB611B9D0B54758B00DB54A899CE498@MINSTER>
References: <8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FFB611B9D0B54758B00DB54A899CE498@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207AE0D0CBC@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

How about Wordpad?


Jon

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Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF

Hi all

Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows works.

Cheers

Andy

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 27 08:28:25 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:28:25 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207AE0D0CBC@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <36D6508E6DEA4AD7A8A9B4497D169C88@MINSTER>

Hi Jon
Never thought of that, but in fact it's no good. When I open the file with
Wordpad it just shows a small part of the whole. I know this because when I
open it in Word it does at least show the whole file but freezes after a
couple of Page Ups and Downs.

andy

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Slough
Sent: 27 November 2009 14:04
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RTF


How about Wordpad?


Jon

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Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:57 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF

Hi all

Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets
sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows
works.

Cheers

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 08:35:04 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:35:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <36D6508E6DEA4AD7A8A9B4497D169C88@MINSTER>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207AE0D0CBC@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
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Message-ID: <c7fd28d00911270635r39262ea7uefa97f6622a6e5b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

does UltraEdit open rtf docs?

thanks

Mark



2009/11/27 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi Jon
> Never thought of that, but in fact it's no good. When I open the file with
> Wordpad it just shows a small part of the whole. I know this because when I
> open it in Word it does at least show the whole file but freezes after a
> couple of Page Ups and Downs.
>
> andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
> Slough
> Sent: 27 November 2009 14:04
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RTF
>
>
> How about Wordpad?
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:57 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets
> sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
> hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
> viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
> view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows
> works.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 27 08:47:09 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:47:09 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00911270635r39262ea7uefa97f6622a6e5b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E55170F9995421286EAE8764837BF0B@MINSTER>

Sorry, I should have added the word "free" between "good" and "utility".

Andy

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Sent: 27 November 2009 14:35
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RTF


Hi Andy,

does UltraEdit open rtf docs?

thanks

Mark



2009/11/27 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi Jon
> Never thought of that, but in fact it's no good. When I open the file with
> Wordpad it just shows a small part of the whole. I know this because when
I
> open it in Word it does at least show the whole file but freezes after a
> couple of Page Ups and Downs.
>
> andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
> Slough
> Sent: 27 November 2009 14:04
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RTF
>
>
> How about Wordpad?
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:57 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
>
> Hi all
>
> Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site
gets
> sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
> hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
> viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
> view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone
knows
> works.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 27 09:20:21 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:20:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
Message-ID: <sb0ffc63.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

You could try using a version of the Word Viewer - a free download from MS.
If that fails too, the received RTFs are buggy and should be corrected at the source.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 27-11-2009 14:56 >>>
Hi all

Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets
sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows
works.

Cheers

Andy




From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 27 09:23:39 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:23:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to be
random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of lines
or spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a suggestion
for a solution??  Thanks.
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Avenue
Albany, NY 12203
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5228
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 09:44:55 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:44:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950911270744p587c4e3by4f5fb822fbeb1279@mail.gmail.com>

Are you using a mouse or the touchpad?  If it's a mouse you should try
to clean any dust or other matter out of the lens if it's optical or
open it up and clean out the ball and rollers if it's not. If it's the
touchpad I might try to clean it with some 409 or something. Might be
static too I suppose since we are entering that static season.

Lots of hits on a google search for "Laptop Cursor moves by itself".
Most solutions I looked at suggested a virus or a trojan. So you want
to make sure you are up to date with your protection.

This page seemed to have a possible fix - forcing a recalibration of
the touchpad using the "four finger salute"

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Three_known_touchpad_issues

Best of luck with it.

GK

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> My HP laptop is acting up. ?When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
> Word) the cursor decides to move on its own. ?Where it goes seems to be
> random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of lines
> or spaces. ?I reloaded the drivers, no change. ?Anyone have a suggestion
> for a solution?? ?Thanks.
>
> Edward P. Tesiny



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Nov 27 09:51:05 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:51:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950911270744p587c4e3by4f5fb822fbeb1279@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<aea6c4950911270744p587c4e3by4f5fb822fbeb1279@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207AE0D0DB6@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

If you can turn the touchpad off and use a mouse, that'd be good too, sometimes you can hit it with the heel of your hand when typing...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own

Are you using a mouse or the touchpad?  If it's a mouse you should try to clean any dust or other matter out of the lens if it's optical or open it up and clean out the ball and rollers if it's not. If it's the touchpad I might try to clean it with some 409 or something. Might be static too I suppose since we are entering that static season.

Lots of hits on a google search for "Laptop Cursor moves by itself".
Most solutions I looked at suggested a virus or a trojan. So you want to make sure you are up to date with your protection.

This page seemed to have a possible fix - forcing a recalibration of the touchpad using the "four finger salute"

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Three_known_touchpad_issues

Best of luck with it.

GK

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
> Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to
> be random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of
> lines or spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a
> suggestion for a solution??  Thanks.
>
> Edward P. Tesiny



--
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 27 09:52:47 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:52:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950911270744p587c4e3by4f5fb822fbeb1279@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<aea6c4950911270744p587c4e3by4f5fb822fbeb1279@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D90@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Thanks Gary, I'll try Google again.  I'm using the touchpad and I have a furnace humidifier so the relative humidity is good in the house.  Laptop is 5 years old, maybe it's time to retire it.


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own

Are you using a mouse or the touchpad?  If it's a mouse you should try to clean any dust or other matter out of the lens if it's optical or open it up and clean out the ball and rollers if it's not. If it's the touchpad I might try to clean it with some 409 or something. Might be static too I suppose since we are entering that static season.

Lots of hits on a google search for "Laptop Cursor moves by itself".
Most solutions I looked at suggested a virus or a trojan. So you want to make sure you are up to date with your protection.

This page seemed to have a possible fix - forcing a recalibration of the touchpad using the "four finger salute"

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Three_known_touchpad_issues

Best of luck with it.

GK

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> My HP laptop is acting up. ?When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
> Word) the cursor decides to move on its own. ?Where it goes seems to 
> be random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of 
> lines or spaces. ?I reloaded the drivers, no change. ?Anyone have a 
> suggestion for a solution?? ?Thanks.
>
> Edward P. Tesiny



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garykjos at gmail.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 27 10:00:29 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:00:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
Message-ID: <sb1005c7.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Ed

When this happens to me I know it's time to go to bed.

/gustav

PS: It's Friday.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
> Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to 
> be random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of 
> lines or spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a 
> suggestion for a solution??  Thanks.
>
> Edward P. Tesiny





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 27 10:04:10 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:04:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <492E581DA1484232A11589A5F223CC00@HAL9005>

Could it be in the touch pad?  Can you disable the touchpad to see if the
movement stops?  Do you have a mouse hooked up as well?  If so, does the
problem persist when you yank the mouse?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 7:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own

My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to be
random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of lines or
spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a suggestion for a
solution??  Thanks.
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Avenue
Albany, NY 12203
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5228
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Nov 27 10:11:21 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:11:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The start of the internet...the first router
In-Reply-To: <8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net><032c01ca6994$c9ab6650$5d0232f0$@net>
	<8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Jim, that is delightful. 
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Do you want to know where the first internet was started and the first
> router that ran it...? Here it is:
>
> http://www.motherboard.tv/2009/11/25/this-computer-gave-birth-to-the-interne
> t
>
> Great stuff... It should bring tears to any geeks eyes. 
>
> Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 27 17:43:21 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:43:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why we ignore security advice.
In-Reply-To: <4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>,
	<8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4B106419.32707.5B98FAF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

<http://research.microsoft.com/en-
us/um/people/cormac/papers/2009/SoLongAndNoThanks.pdf>

ABSTRACT:

It is often suggested that users are hopelessly lazy and unmotivated on security questions.?? 
They chose weak passwords, ignore security warnings, and are oblivious to certificates 
errors.?? We argue that users? rejection of the security advice they receive is entirely rational 
from? an? economic perspective.?? The? advice? offers? to shield them from the direct costs of 
attacks, but burdens them with far greater indirect costs in the form of effort. Looking at 
various examples of security advice we find that the advice is complex and growing, but the 
benefit is largely speculative or moot. For example, much of the advice concerning 
passwords is outdated and does little to address actual treats, and fully 100% of certificate 
error warnings appear to be false positives.? Further, if users spent even a minute a day 
reading URLs to avoid phishing, the cost (in terms of user time) would be two orders? of? 
magnitude? greater? than? all? phishing? losses. Thus we find that most security advice simply 
offers a poor cost-benefit tradeoff to users and is rejected.? Security advice is a daily burden, 
applied to the whole population, while an upper bound on the benefit is the harm suffered by 
the fraction that become victims annually.? When that fraction is small, designing security 
advice that is beneficial is very hard.? For example, it makes little sense to burden all users 
with a daily task to spare 0.01% of them a modest annual pain.?
Stuart McLachlan



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 27 18:09:21 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:09:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<492E581DA1484232A11589A5F223CC00@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015F0AF2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

I went to the control panel, mouse and pretty much set all the settings to default, seems to haveworked for now.

________________________________

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Fri 11/27/2009 11:04 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own



Could it be in the touch pad?  Can you disable the touchpad to see if the
movement stops?  Do you have a mouse hooked up as well?  If so, does the
problem persist when you yank the mouse?

Rocky


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 7:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own

My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to be
random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of lines or
spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a suggestion for a
solution??  Thanks.

Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Avenue
Albany, NY 12203
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5228
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From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 06:36:02 2009
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:36:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015F0AF2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<492E581DA1484232A11589A5F223CC00@HAL9005>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015F0AF2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <4f4bf9510911280436g29315160jce575c732d638561@mail.gmail.com>

Well I went to the control panel and selected most of the defaults/resets
for the mouse and it appears the problem is solved for now.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>wrote:

> I went to the control panel, mouse and pretty much set all the settings to
> default, seems to haveworked for now.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Fri 11/27/2009 11:04 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
>
>
>
> Could it be in the touch pad?  Can you disable the touchpad to see if the
> movement stops?  Do you have a mouse hooked up as well?  If so, does the
> problem persist when you yank the mouse?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 7:24 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
>
> My HP laptop is acting up.  When typing, (Outlook, Outlook Express,
> Word) the cursor decides to move on its own.  Where it goes seems to be
> random, it will skip to the right, left, up or down any number of lines or
> spaces.  I reloaded the drivers, no change.  Anyone have a suggestion for a
> solution??  Thanks.
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Avenue
> Albany, NY 12203
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5228
> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov 28 09:08:50 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:08:50 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] RTF
In-Reply-To: <sb0ffc63.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <795885A8E20442C1AD3DE44657081054@MINSTER>

Thanks Gustav

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 27 November 2009 15:20
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RTF


Hi Andy

You could try using a version of the Word Viewer - a free download from MS.
If that fails too, the received RTFs are buggy and should be corrected at
the source.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 27-11-2009 14:56 >>>
Hi all

Anyone know a good utility to view RTF's? A user at my customer's site gets
sent refgularly an email with an attached RTF document, and every time it
hangs Word when it's opened. Thought I might see if there was a good RTF
viewing utility. Google just leads me to RTFViewer which doesn't so much
view as turn an RTF into an EXE, so I'm looking for one which someone knows
works.

Cheers

Andy


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 28 11:09:22 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:09:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why we ignore security advice.
In-Reply-To: <4B106419.32707.5B98FAF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>,
	<8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>
	<4B106419.32707.5B98FAF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4B115942.5010903@torchlake.com>

A very interesting article, Stuart.  Thanks.  The author makes a point 
that is hard to refute in terms of cost-benefit ratio to the user.  
Still, I just can't break the habit of trying to keep my stuff secure.  
So, even if it takes me more than a couple minutes a year, I'm going to 
keep my protection up-to-date and run my scans regularly.  As for 
passwords, I keep them in an encrypted file somewhere I know how to 
find.  Thanks again, a good read.  :-)
T

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> <http://research.microsoft.com/en-
> us/um/people/cormac/papers/2009/SoLongAndNoThanks.pdf>
>
> ABSTRACT:
>
> It is often suggested that users are hopelessly lazy and unmotivated on security questions.   
> They chose weak passwords, ignore security warnings, and are oblivious to certificates 
> errors.   We argue that users? rejection of the security advice they receive is entirely rational 
> from  an  economic perspective.   The  advice  offers  to shield them from the direct costs of 
> attacks, but burdens them with far greater indirect costs in the form of effort. Looking at 
> various examples of security advice we find that the advice is complex and growing, but the 
> benefit is largely speculative or moot. For example, much of the advice concerning 
> passwords is outdated and does little to address actual treats, and fully 100% of certificate 
> error warnings appear to be false positives.  Further, if users spent even a minute a day 
> reading URLs to avoid phishing, the cost (in terms of user time) would be two orders  of  
> magnitude  greater  than  all  phishing  losses. Thus we find that most security advice simply 
> offers a poor cost-benefit tradeoff to users and is rejected.  Security advice is a daily burden, 
> applied to the whole population, while an upper bound on the benefit is the harm suffered by 
> the fraction that become victims annually.  When that fraction is small, designing security 
> advice that is beneficial is very hard.  For example, it makes little sense to burden all users 
> with a daily task to spare 0.01% of them a modest annual pain. 
> Stuart McLachlan
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>   


From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 05:21:39 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:21:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursor Moving On Its Own
In-Reply-To: <4f4bf9510911280436g29315160jce575c732d638561@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634D8D@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<492E581DA1484232A11589A5F223CC00@HAL9005>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015F0AF2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<4f4bf9510911280436g29315160jce575c732d638561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950911290321r3b062914ufe4f3b5731504ad8@mail.gmail.com>

Great! Hope it stays fixed.

GK

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I went to the control panel and selected most of the defaults/resets
> for the mouse and it appears the problem is solved for now.
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>wrote:
>
>> I went to the control panel, mouse and pretty much set all the settings to
>> default, seems to haveworked for now.
>>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 09:33:40 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:33:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why we ignore security advice.
In-Reply-To: <4B115942.5010903@torchlake.com>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
	<8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>
	<4B106419.32707.5B98FAF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4B115942.5010903@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00911290733r58d51a99vc7e86a26c73b06b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have a wonderful free program named Whisper32
<http://www.snapfiles.com/get/whisperxp.html>that I am using for a year now,
it stores all my passwords, in encrypted form, and it has a super facility
to generate strong passwords.  When I create a new users nowadays, I first
enter the username in Whisper32
<http://www.snapfiles.com/get/whisperxp.html>and then I generate a 10 - 20
character super strong password.  I no longer attempt to remember the
passwords other than a few systems.

I have also used it from time to time to change passwords with people,
although to do that, one must first agree on the password for the Whisper
that will be exchanged.  IOW, this works if you have to regularly share
confidential data but less useful for a one off situation.

Of course the whisper32 file must also have a big long password, but once I
remember that, I have all my passwords.  from time to time, I email the file
to myself, so if I lost the file, it would be backed up in Gmail archives.

It takes one of the stresses off me.

Mark


2009/11/28 Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>

> A very interesting article, Stuart.  Thanks.  The author makes a point
> that is hard to refute in terms of cost-benefit ratio to the user.
> Still, I just can't break the habit of trying to keep my stuff secure.
> So, even if it takes me more than a couple minutes a year, I'm going to
> keep my protection up-to-date and run my scans regularly.  As for
> passwords, I keep them in an encrypted file somewhere I know how to
> find.  Thanks again, a good read.  :-)
> T
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > <http://research.microsoft.com/en-
> > us/um/people/cormac/papers/2009/SoLongAndNoThanks.pdf>
> >
> > ABSTRACT:
> >
> > It is often suggested that users are hopelessly lazy and unmotivated on
> security questions.
> > They chose weak passwords, ignore security warnings, and are oblivious to
> certificates
> > errors.   We argue that users? rejection of the security advice they
> receive is entirely rational
> > from  an  economic perspective.   The  advice  offers  to shield them
> from the direct costs of
> > attacks, but burdens them with far greater indirect costs in the form of
> effort. Looking at
> > various examples of security advice we find that the advice is complex
> and growing, but the
> > benefit is largely speculative or moot. For example, much of the advice
> concerning
> > passwords is outdated and does little to address actual treats, and fully
> 100% of certificate
> > error warnings appear to be false positives.  Further, if users spent
> even a minute a day
> > reading URLs to avoid phishing, the cost (in terms of user time) would be
> two orders  of
> > magnitude  greater  than  all  phishing  losses. Thus we find that most
> security advice simply
> > offers a poor cost-benefit tradeoff to users and is rejected.  Security
> advice is a daily burden,
> > applied to the whole population, while an upper bound on the benefit is
> the harm suffered by
> > the fraction that become victims annually.  When that fraction is small,
> designing security
> > advice that is beneficial is very hard.  For example, it makes little
> sense to burden all users
> > with a daily task to spare 0.01% of them a modest annual pain.
> > Stuart McLachlan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 29 11:06:34 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:06:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why we ignore security advice.
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00911290733r58d51a99vc7e86a26c73b06b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B05D1F9.9020407@earthlink.net>
	<8B2FF8BFDAE84FC0B4996159F98517B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4B0FFA29.8060806@torchlake.com>
	<4B106419.32707.5B98FAF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4B115942.5010903@torchlake.com>
	<c7fd28d00911290733r58d51a99vc7e86a26c73b06b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFAF69662C4648C98086C256352E6291@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Max:

This is definitely a very useful program. A lot of my clients use it. My
personal passwords I remember as there are only about 40. 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why we ignore security advice.

Hello All,

I have a wonderful free program named Whisper32
<http://www.snapfiles.com/get/whisperxp.html>that I am using for a year now,
it stores all my passwords, in encrypted form, and it has a super facility
to generate strong passwords.  When I create a new users nowadays, I first
enter the username in Whisper32
<http://www.snapfiles.com/get/whisperxp.html>and then I generate a 10 - 20
character super strong password.  I no longer attempt to remember the
passwords other than a few systems.

I have also used it from time to time to change passwords with people,
although to do that, one must first agree on the password for the Whisper
that will be exchanged.  IOW, this works if you have to regularly share
confidential data but less useful for a one off situation.

Of course the whisper32 file must also have a big long password, but once I
remember that, I have all my passwords.  from time to time, I email the file
to myself, so if I lost the file, it would be backed up in Gmail archives.

It takes one of the stresses off me.

Mark


2009/11/28 Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>

> A very interesting article, Stuart.  Thanks.  The author makes a point
> that is hard to refute in terms of cost-benefit ratio to the user.
> Still, I just can't break the habit of trying to keep my stuff secure.
> So, even if it takes me more than a couple minutes a year, I'm going to
> keep my protection up-to-date and run my scans regularly.  As for
> passwords, I keep them in an encrypted file somewhere I know how to
> find.  Thanks again, a good read.  :-)
> T
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > <http://research.microsoft.com/en-
> > us/um/people/cormac/papers/2009/SoLongAndNoThanks.pdf>
> >
> > ABSTRACT:
> >
> > It is often suggested that users are hopelessly lazy and unmotivated on
> security questions.
> > They chose weak passwords, ignore security warnings, and are oblivious
to
> certificates
> > errors.   We argue that users? rejection of the security advice they
> receive is entirely rational
> > from  an  economic perspective.   The  advice  offers  to shield them
> from the direct costs of
> > attacks, but burdens them with far greater indirect costs in the form of
> effort. Looking at
> > various examples of security advice we find that the advice is complex
> and growing, but the
> > benefit is largely speculative or moot. For example, much of the advice
> concerning
> > passwords is outdated and does little to address actual treats, and
fully
> 100% of certificate
> > error warnings appear to be false positives.  Further, if users spent
> even a minute a day
> > reading URLs to avoid phishing, the cost (in terms of user time) would
be
> two orders  of
> > magnitude  greater  than  all  phishing  losses. Thus we find that most
> security advice simply
> > offers a poor cost-benefit tradeoff to users and is rejected.  Security
> advice is a daily burden,
> > applied to the whole population, while an upper bound on the benefit is
> the harm suffered by
> > the fraction that become victims annually.  When that fraction is small,
> designing security
> > advice that is beneficial is very hard.  For example, it makes little
> sense to burden all users
> > with a daily task to spare 0.01% of them a modest annual pain.
> > Stuart McLachlan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 30 11:18:50 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:18:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Desktops
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Hi All:

Is there a market for virtual desktops? The following company seems to think
so:

http://www.2x.com/virtualdesktop/vdsfeatures.html

Is the desktop being seriously challenged or is this just a nitch market?

Jim



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 30 18:17:19 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:17:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Label Printer
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Dear List(s):

I have a client who wants a label printer - single labels off a roll. It
will be printing the label from a record in my database from a bound form.
So I want as simple as possible.  Haven't fooled with these for years.  Any
recommendations - cheap, simple, easy to drive from an Access app?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky