From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 1 01:21:30 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:21:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Message-ID: Hi Stuart But do you read the mail while you are at sleep? If your mail server is off-line until 05:00 most mail will have been delivered before 07:00. Thus, the server could be turned off or put in standby mode between, say, 01:00 and 05:00, which means a reduction in power consumption of 16%. Yes, I know, I know - but this is just an example of the alternative thinking I believe many of us will be forced into, and at least you may prepare answers for "why not" when the powers that be challenge you. And they will. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 30-09-2009 23:49 >>> Most of my mail arrives during the night. That's because it is working hours for you guys then. -- Stuart On 30 Sep 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Jon > > There you see. This is not easy! Of course, a mail server must be > running continuously. Or does it? For a domestic company with 9-17 > working hours, how much mail arrives during night? Could it be delayed > until, say, 07.00? From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 04:23:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:23:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <4AC4187E.8000107@earthlink.net> References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com> <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net> <0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <0KQT000CU4GO62Q4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <4ac3eeb7.1c07d00a.54a1.491f@mx.google.com> <4AC4187E.8000107@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4ac47521.0405560a.420e.05b8@mx.google.com> Yes, that is why I don't think they will change position. This is what I meant by "anti-....". They know that the EU will look for any excuse to jump in. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 01 October 2009 03:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft Max, >MS has never done this (insisted you use IE) and I doubt if they will do so >now. There are so many anti-this and anti-that against them they tread very >carefully. Not exactly perhaps, but those "anti-..." measures result from courts in Europe, and even in the US, finding MS guilty of trying to enforce IE as a monopoly browser; nice summary at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft. PB -----/**/ Max Wanadoo wrote: > Bob, > > MS has never done this (insisted you use IE) and I doubt if they will do so > now. There are so many anti-this and anti-that against them they tread very > carefully. > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart > Sent: 30 September 2009 23:28 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft > > > Not a problem with requiring _licensed_ copies of Windows. > > My concern was more that MS might they require IE be the default > browser, or require the latest version or patch, or require that > non-MS products be uninstalled. > > Bob > > At 9/30/2009 05:20 PM, you wrote: > >> Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS >> Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them >> > from > >> cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect >> ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools? >> >> >> Jon >> >> > sors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2405 - Release Date: 09/30/09 10:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 1 10:36:59 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:36:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft In-Reply-To: <019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net> References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com> <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net> Message-ID: <48DB421858904484902F2A40CE47F2DB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ha ha ha... I was wondering what the comments would be. I just installed Vipre, a couple of days ago, on a client server, one that they had a full enterprise version of Symantecs on (They felt Vipre would be better priced and the Symantecs license was coming to an end). Ran Vipre once and dicovered one Adware, one Trojan and two miscellaneous viruses that Symantecs had missed. Enough said. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft Hi Jim, It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so they're giving it away. Time will tell. I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware that MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider. Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and such. If these companies thought their free products would hurt their sales they wouldn't be giving them away. John B. BTW I think everyone should say adios to the suites from Symantec, Micro Trend, McAfee, Panda... ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan alones like Vipre etc? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 1 11:39:05 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:39:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B106774FD434A8288CD0B2BC84B2F90@creativesystemdesigns.com> Gustav: Servers have to be running 24x7. The main costs of a computer are: 1. Monitors and on a server. Removing them and doing a remote connection is a gimme. 2. Hard drives. The power costs can be reduces by using larger drives instead of adding more drives. The newer drivers are much more efficient anyway. If you really want to reduce the costs upgrade the older failed drives to use laptop drives 3. The various cooling fans. Google has a site with thousands of computers and the way they lower the costs is by removing all the mother boards from any cases. Stacking them, in the open, in groups, lining them up and down vertically and having a single fan blowing up from underneath. You can also make sure the computers are in an area where there is decent ventilation (a closet is not where they should be stored) and maybe even an air-conditioning area. Maybe storing them in a dry basement where the temperature remains cool? You can also set the computers bios to only turn on and off the CPU or video fans when the temperature exceeds a certain value. Of course you could always off-load some of the least used server apps to remote inexpensive hosts, where electricity is cheap. (Switzerland or Canada (west coast)) HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:13 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi all Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small servers? Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about $0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using 200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding. Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features or services. One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less power. However, that is not enough. Other ideas are: 1. Move services to "the cloud". This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed bandwidth of internet connections. 2. Introduce standby methods for servers. Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while keeping it responsive? 3. Introduce shut-down of servers. If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity. Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most machines are capable of. 4. Move server OS to laptops. Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in emergency power supply (the battery). If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 17:46:32 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:46:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r Message-ID: I bought a huge package of dvd-r's and the cd-burner won't recognize them. It is old, but there were no cd-r's and I thought maybe they were obsolete -- are they? Didn't realize mine wouldn't recognize dvd-r though. Anything I can do to force my system to write to a dvd-r? Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 1 18:05:46 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:05:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6128DCA597B84A38A9CB233ECE663D44@HAL9005> AFAIK, you'd have to upgrade the drive to a DVD writer to use those disks. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:47 PM To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r I bought a huge package of dvd-r's and the cd-burner won't recognize them. It is old, but there were no cd-r's and I thought maybe they were obsolete -- are they? Didn't realize mine wouldn't recognize dvd-r though. Anything I can do to force my system to write to a dvd-r? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 18:10:17 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:10:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r References: <6128DCA597B84A38A9CB233ECE663D44@HAL9005> Message-ID: <49702FA5FF0342A782C5191D8679BAD6@SusanOne> Crap... Okay... what about this. If I save my pictures to CD-R and get a new computer with a DVD-RW drive, will I be able to view those pictures off the CD-R? Susan H. > AFAIK, you'd have to upgrade the drive to a DVD writer to use those disks. > > Anything I can do to force my system to write to a dvd-r? From bheid at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 1 18:32:23 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:32:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r In-Reply-To: <49702FA5FF0342A782C5191D8679BAD6@SusanOne> References: <6128DCA597B84A38A9CB233ECE663D44@HAL9005> <49702FA5FF0342A782C5191D8679BAD6@SusanOne> Message-ID: <000301ca42ef$6dc75f40$49561dc0$@rr.com> Yes, you can read and write CDs on a DVD writer drive. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r Crap... Okay... what about this. If I save my pictures to CD-R and get a new computer with a DVD-RW drive, will I be able to view those pictures off the CD-R? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 18:48:49 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:48:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r References: <6128DCA597B84A38A9CB233ECE663D44@HAL9005><49702FA5FF0342A782C5191D8679BAD6@SusanOne> <000301ca42ef$6dc75f40$49561dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: yeah! :) Curious that it can't read to write to it, but it'll be able to read from it? Two different technologies? Susan H. > Yes, you can read and write CDs on a DVD writer drive. From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 2 07:55:09 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:55:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r In-Reply-To: References: <6128DCA597B84A38A9CB233ECE663D44@HAL9005><49702FA5FF0342A782C5191D8679BAD6@SusanOne> <000301ca42ef$6dc75f40$49561dc0$@rr.com> Message-ID: All DVD drives can read CDs. All DVD burning drives can read and write CDs No CD drive can read any DVD. Very different technologies! Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] cd-r or dvd-r yeah! :) Curious that it can't read to write to it, but it'll be able to read from it? Two different technologies? Susan H. > Yes, you can read and write CDs on a DVD writer drive. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 2 10:05:56 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:05:56 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Message-ID: Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 01-10-2009 18:39 >>> Gustav: Servers have to be running 24x7. The main costs of a computer are: 1. Monitors and on a server. Removing them and doing a remote connection is a gimme. 2. Hard drives. The power costs can be reduces by using larger drives instead of adding more drives. The newer drivers are much more efficient anyway. If you really want to reduce the costs upgrade the older failed drives to use laptop drives 3. The various cooling fans. Google has a site with thousands of computers and the way they lower the costs is by removing all the mother boards from any cases. Stacking them, in the open, in groups, lining them up and down vertically and having a single fan blowing up from underneath. You can also make sure the computers are in an area where there is decent ventilation (a closet is not where they should be stored) and maybe even an air-conditioning area. Maybe storing them in a dry basement where the temperature remains cool? You can also set the computers bios to only turn on and off the CPU or video fans when the temperature exceeds a certain value. Of course you could always off-load some of the least used server apps to remote inexpensive hosts, where electricity is cheap. (Switzerland or Canada (west coast)) HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:13 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi all Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small servers? Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about $0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using 200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding. Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features or services. One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less power. However, that is not enough. Other ideas are: 1. Move services to "the cloud". This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed bandwidth of internet connections. 2. Introduce standby methods for servers. Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while keeping it responsive? 3. Introduce shut-down of servers. If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity. Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most machines are capable of. 4. Move server OS to laptops. Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in emergency power supply (the battery). If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn. /gustav From jeff.developer at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 10:51:46 2009 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:51:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing Message-ID: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> Any suggestions for a free (or very low cost) video conferrencing setup? This might be only a one time deal, or it could become a daily occurance. -- Jeff Barrows From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:45:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:45:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing In-Reply-To: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ac62e3d.0508d00a.156f.4cdb@mx.google.com> Jeff, you could try Skype or one of the IM's Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: 02 October 2009 16:52 To: Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing Any suggestions for a free (or very low cost) video conferrencing setup? This might be only a one time deal, or it could become a daily occurance. -- Jeff Barrows _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:50:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:50:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing In-Reply-To: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ac62f68.0707d00a.6abd.16b8@mx.google.com> Just done a quick search of Free Video Conferencing. Lots of hits, but webex.co.uk do more and its free (they say). Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: 02 October 2009 16:52 To: Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing Any suggestions for a free (or very low cost) video conferrencing setup? This might be only a one time deal, or it could become a daily occurance. -- Jeff Barrows _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 12:36:00 2009 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:36:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing In-Reply-To: <4ac62f68.0707d00a.6abd.16b8@mx.google.com> References: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> <4ac62f68.0707d00a.6abd.16b8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2dad32080910021036p3493949r1205cfbd2ba47432@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Max, I will check it out. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Just done a quick search of Free Video Conferencing. > > Lots of hits, but webex.co.uk do more and its free (they say). > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows > Sent: 02 October 2009 16:52 > To: Tech List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing > > Any suggestions for a free (or very low cost) video conferrencing setup? > This might be only a one time deal, or it could become a daily occurance. > > -- > Jeff Barrows > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Jeff Barrows From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Oct 2 18:30:31 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:30:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing In-Reply-To: <4ac62f68.0707d00a.6abd.16b8@mx.google.com> References: <2dad32080910020851t6d61b003x9ee9322e5b1bec2b@mail.gmail.com> <4ac62f68.0707d00a.6abd.16b8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <63EA8548D3B0429097AC9F3C14266E7A@jt2c> We use Webex at work, and it's very easy to set up and use. The only hard bit (we have) is getting all the PA equipment working in the room and getting people to talk into the hand held microphones properly... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 02 October 2009 17:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing Just done a quick search of Free Video Conferencing. Lots of hits, but webex.co.uk do more and its free (they say). Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: 02 October 2009 16:52 To: Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Conferrencing Any suggestions for a free (or very low cost) video conferrencing setup? This might be only a one time deal, or it could become a daily occurance. -- Jeff Barrows _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 3 09:02:40 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:02:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Message-ID: Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 09:26:45 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:26:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ac75f2b.0508d00a.40a5.04fc@mx.google.com> Team viewer works for me rocky (free) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 03 October 2009 15:03 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 09:38:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:38:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Message-ID: <4ac76204.1818d00a.53db.169a@mx.google.com> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-googl e-wave Any body got an invite? Max From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 3 09:48:22 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:48:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07B6F21C24804230979E1D2195FEC37D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: Similar to TeamViewer there is also LogMeIn (I have at least 40 sites with this on it) The product uses the Hamachi VPN technology for absolute security. https://secure.logmein.com/products/free HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 3 10:02:27 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:02:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: <07B6F21C24804230979E1D2195FEC37D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <07B6F21C24804230979E1D2195FEC37D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005> Looks like a slick solution. But I would like something that doesn't require any interaction from the target machine or pop up anything on the target. Just want to see what processes are running. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Hi Rocky: Similar to TeamViewer there is also LogMeIn (I have at least 40 sites with this on it) The product uses the Hamachi VPN technology for absolute security. https://secure.logmein.com/products/free HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 10:11:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:11:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005> References: <07B6F21C24804230979E1D2195FEC37D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ac769c2.0702d00a.3065.ffffb89b@mx.google.com> Either of these will work, just log to the other machine and run TaskManager. Its all yours! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 03 October 2009 16:02 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Looks like a slick solution. But I would like something that doesn't require any interaction from the target machine or pop up anything on the target. Just want to see what processes are running. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Hi Rocky: Similar to TeamViewer there is also LogMeIn (I have at least 40 sites with this on it) The product uses the Hamachi VPN technology for absolute security. https://secure.logmein.com/products/free HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 3 10:21:52 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:21:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005> References: <07B6F21C24804230979E1D2195FEC37D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005> Message-ID: <00B18FA900B349ED8E0C1EBB4E676FED@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do not think there is. If that could happen every computer would be hackable by anyone. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Looks like a slick solution. But I would like something that doesn't require any interaction from the target machine or pop up anything on the target. Just want to see what processes are running. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Hi Rocky: Similar to TeamViewer there is also LogMeIn (I have at least 40 sites with this on it) The product uses the Hamachi VPN technology for absolute security. https://secure.logmein.com/products/free HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 3 10:40:19 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:40:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02f901ca443f$d18170b0$74845210$@net> Hi Rocky, It's not windows task manager but I believe this will allow you to do what you need - PStools: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896649.aspx HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:03 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 3 11:17:00 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:17:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Message-ID: Hi Max https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/ /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 03-10-2009 16:38 >>> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-google-wave Any body got an invite? Max From hkotsch at arcor.de Sat Oct 3 11:21:15 2009 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:21:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How about "Advanced Remote Info" at http://masterbootrecord.de/english/advancedremoteinfo.php. Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009 16:03 An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Betreff: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer Dear List(s): Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer on my local network to see what is running on another computer? MTIA Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 11:30:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:30:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> Thanks Gustav. Appreciated Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 03 October 2009 17:17 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Hi Max https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/ /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 03-10-2009 16:38 >>> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-googl e-wave Any body got an invite? Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 3 19:03:12 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:03:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer In-Reply-To: <00B18FA900B349ED8E0C1EBB4E676FED@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <8C5905C728924198976095D2E5817391@HAL9005>, <00B18FA900B349ED8E0C1EBB4E676FED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4AC7E640.27844.56BEE103@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If you have admin privileges on the other machine, we discussed this the other day on Access D where Darren wanted to check whether a specific applicationwas running on a server from inside Access. Here's a modification of that code which wll list all running processes on another machine. Function ProcessesRunning(strServer As String) As Boolean Dim Process As Object Dim strObject As String strObject = "winmgmts://" & strServer For Each Process In GetObject(strObject).InstancesOf("win32_process") Debug.Print Process.Name Next End Function -- Stuart On 3 Oct 2009 at 8:21, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I do not think there is. If that could happen every computer would be > hackable by anyone. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:02 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer > > Looks like a slick solution. But I would like something that doesn't > require any interaction from the target machine or pop up anything on the > target. Just want to see what processes are running. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer > > Hi Rocky: > > Similar to TeamViewer there is also LogMeIn (I have at least 40 sites with > this on it) The product uses the Hamachi VPN technology for absolute > security. > > https://secure.logmein.com/products/free > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:03 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking at another computer > > Dear List(s): > > Is there a way that I can run the task manager or equivalent on one computer > on my local network to see what is running on another computer? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 20:53:58 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:53:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive In-Reply-To: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> References: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4AC80036.9060303@earthlink.net> What would be the best thumb drive for carrying round .ppt presentations and the like? PB From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 3 22:03:03 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:03:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive In-Reply-To: <4AC80036.9060303@earthlink.net> References: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> <4AC80036.9060303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5CE8A1F27FB644348921C664E6E56EB6@HAL9005> AFAICT they're all the same. Just picked up 4gb for $12 at Fry's. I'll never fill it up. I've got a 512MB one. I never ran out of space for any reason on that one either. I had several. I can't see any difference at al among them. Really remarkable technology. I mean the actual chip itself that holds 4 billion bytes (what's that like 32 billion transistors?) is teeny. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive What would be the best thumb drive for carrying round .ppt presentations and the like? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 3 22:13:30 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:13:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive In-Reply-To: <5CE8A1F27FB644348921C664E6E56EB6@HAL9005> References: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> <4AC80036.9060303@earthlink.net> <5CE8A1F27FB644348921C664E6E56EB6@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002101ca44a0$a69d1910$f3d74b30$@rr.com> Well, there are speed differences. Some of them are much faster than others. I do not have any details on which are faster, but I do know they exist. If you have to copy a large amount of data, you;ll appreciate the speed. I had a 16GB drive that I filled up all of the time - transferring large files/images/etc., between systems. It's nice when you can carry a few DVD ISO images around. I personally like the Corsair drives. Although I do not think they are the fastest or best, but that are a good value for the money. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive AFAICT they're all the same. Just picked up 4gb for $12 at Fry's. I'll never fill it up. I've got a 512MB one. I never ran out of space for any reason on that one either. I had several. I can't see any difference at al among them. Really remarkable technology. I mean the actual chip itself that holds 4 billion bytes (what's that like 32 billion transistors?) is teeny. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive What would be the best thumb drive for carrying round .ppt presentations and the like? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 22:31:17 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:31:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive In-Reply-To: <002101ca44a0$a69d1910$f3d74b30$@rr.com> References: <4ac77c35.0707d00a.5db9.0aa0@mx.google.com> <4AC80036.9060303@earthlink.net> <5CE8A1F27FB644348921C664E6E56EB6@HAL9005> <002101ca44a0$a69d1910$f3d74b30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4AC81705.1040406@earthlink.net> Thanks Rocky, Bobby. PB ----- Bobby Heid wrote: > Well, there are speed differences. Some of them are much faster than > others. I do not have any details on which are faster, but I do know they > exist. If you have to copy a large amount of data, you;ll appreciate the > speed. > > I had a 16GB drive that I filled up all of the time - transferring large > files/images/etc., between systems. It's nice when you can carry a few DVD > ISO images around. > > I personally like the Corsair drives. Although I do not think they are the > fastest or best, but that are a good value for the money. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:03 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive > > AFAICT they're all the same. Just picked up 4gb for $12 at Fry's. I'll > never fill it up. I've got a 512MB one. I never ran out of space for any > reason on that one either. > > I had several. I can't see any difference at al among them. > > Really remarkable technology. I mean the actual chip itself that holds 4 > billion bytes (what's that like 32 billion transistors?) is teeny. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:54 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Best thumb drive > > What would be the best thumb drive for carrying round .ppt presentations and > the like? > > PB > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2411 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 4 06:17:01 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:17:01 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Message-ID: Hi all Please note that Google Wave is open source. This means that you can download and run your own Wave server (Java) or build one yourself as the protocol (similar to IMAP, POP3 and SMTP) is open sourced as an extension to XMPP (Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol): http://www.waveprotocol.org/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3920 /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 03-10-2009 18:17 >>> Hi Max https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/ /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 03-10-2009 16:38 >>> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-google-wave Any body got an invite? Max From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Oct 4 09:58:18 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:58:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 4 10:24:07 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:24:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> Message-ID: <24E4759D466941CFAF91E0257B1F2463@HAL9005> How about an external HD like the WD Passport? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:28:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:28:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4ac8bf12.0a1ad00a.7ded.6d26@mx.google.com> Robby, this is NOT my experience. I use these extensively. EG: One has a 4gb encrypted file (TrueCrypt) which holds ALL my main mdb and associated files - everything. I have two of these (and a bunch of other stuff) on these and on other memory sticks. All sorts of stuff shuffling back and forward between home and work, etc. NEVER, EVER had any problems with them. NEVER once have they let me down. YMMV but for me, I swear by them. I have 2 x 16GB and about 5-6 varying size others. All with different stuff on them. Download. Documents. Etc. If I had a need for onboard, online memory I would have a look at this. I had not thought of doing this so I had never thought of it. HTH Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 04 October 2009 15:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 4 10:58:05 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:58:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: <4ac8bf12.0a1ad00a.7ded.6d26@mx.google.com> References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> <4ac8bf12.0a1ad00a.7ded.6d26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It was not many years ago than when we were depending on tapes to backup/hold all our important data. We all know how dependable tapes are... It was a good idea, at the time, as the hard drives of the day were just as likely to quit with no prior notice. Keeping data safe was a matter of keep ahead of the various media failures. Today, harddrives and USB sticks are very reliable... I have clients with harddrives that have lasted almost 10 years and USB sticks which have lasted 5 years... all working continuously. It always takes company or government techs a little longer to accept any new technology. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:28 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Robby, this is NOT my experience. I use these extensively. EG: One has a 4gb encrypted file (TrueCrypt) which holds ALL my main mdb and associated files - everything. I have two of these (and a bunch of other stuff) on these and on other memory sticks. All sorts of stuff shuffling back and forward between home and work, etc. NEVER, EVER had any problems with them. NEVER once have they let me down. YMMV but for me, I swear by them. I have 2 x 16GB and about 5-6 varying size others. All with different stuff on them. Download. Documents. Etc. If I had a need for onboard, online memory I would have a look at this. I had not thought of doing this so I had never thought of it. HTH Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 04 October 2009 15:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 4 11:17:37 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:17:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32ECD1134A7E4CE0A2AC6691A5439453@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav and Max: It looks like a multi-protocol real-time streaming engine? I wonder how many protocols it can stream and how designable it is? Can it stream more than code based protocols? Can it stream such objects as Flash or Audio? This technology asks more questions than it answers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:17 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Hi all Please note that Google Wave is open source. This means that you can download and run your own Wave server (Java) or build one yourself as the protocol (similar to IMAP, POP3 and SMTP) is open sourced as an extension to XMPP (Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol): http://www.waveprotocol.org/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3920 /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 03-10-2009 18:17 >>> Hi Max https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/ /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 03-10-2009 16:38 >>> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-googl e-wave Any body got an invite? Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 4 12:39:16 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:39:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Message-ID: Hi Bobby OK, what I was looking for is if anyone _does_ use such drives this way. Could I be the first one? As for reliability, does your opinion reflect actual or second hand experience? We and our clients have used these since day one and, in fact, the only one I've ever seen fail is one of the original IBM USB Memory Key (19K4513): http://www.buycoms.com/spec.asp?ProductTypeID=2&ProductID=58 I still keep it as a collector's item in the original box! /gustav >>> bheid at sc.rr.com 04-10-2009 16:58 >>> I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 4 13:07:02 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:07:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Message-ID: Hi Jim It supports video with audio so I guess "audio only" as well: http://code.google.com/intl/da/apis/wave/ This page is in a language people like us understands: http://code.google.com/intl/uk/apis/wave/guide.html /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 04-10-2009 18:17 >>> Hi Gustav and Max: It looks like a multi-protocol real-time streaming engine? I wonder how many protocols it can stream and how designable it is? Can it stream more than code based protocols? Can it stream such objects as Flash or Audio? This technology asks more questions than it answers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:17 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Google wave explained Hi all Please note that Google Wave is open source. This means that you can download and run your own Wave server (Java) or build one yourself as the protocol (similar to IMAP, POP3 and SMTP) is open sourced as an extension to XMPP (Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol): http://www.waveprotocol.org/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3920 /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 03-10-2009 18:17 >>> Hi Max https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignup/ /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 03-10-2009 16:38 >>> http://lifehacker.com/5372987/two+minute-video-makes-a-lot-of-sense-of-google-wave Any body got an invite? Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 14:24:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:24:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: <24E4759D466941CFAF91E0257B1F2463@HAL9005> References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> <24E4759D466941CFAF91E0257B1F2463@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ac8f696.0a04d00a.26d5.4c2d@mx.google.com> Not sure what you mean by this Rocky, I have a 500Gb and a 1.5Tb hard drive both attached to my PC as well as the various memory sticks. ALL connect via the USB connector(s). How do you define "External". To me, all of the above PLUS the integral HD 600Gb are all treated the same. I see no difference between them as far a usage is concerned. The only difference is that I can pick all of them, with the exception of one, and easily and quickly, move them to another PC and back again. I think that is the way of the future and maybe I am there already. LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 04 October 2009 16:24 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption How about an external HD like the WD Passport? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 14:27:18 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:27:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com> <4ac8bf12.0a1ad00a.7ded.6d26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ac8f735.1c07d00a.36c5.1c2d@mx.google.com> Agreed ( as usual ) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 04 October 2009 16:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption It was not many years ago than when we were depending on tapes to backup/hold all our important data. We all know how dependable tapes are... It was a good idea, at the time, as the hard drives of the day were just as likely to quit with no prior notice. Keeping data safe was a matter of keep ahead of the various media failures. Today, harddrives and USB sticks are very reliable... I have clients with harddrives that have lasted almost 10 years and USB sticks which have lasted 5 years... all working continuously. It always takes company or government techs a little longer to accept any new technology. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:28 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Robby, this is NOT my experience. I use these extensively. EG: One has a 4gb encrypted file (TrueCrypt) which holds ALL my main mdb and associated files - everything. I have two of these (and a bunch of other stuff) on these and on other memory sticks. All sorts of stuff shuffling back and forward between home and work, etc. NEVER, EVER had any problems with them. NEVER once have they let me down. YMMV but for me, I swear by them. I have 2 x 16GB and about 5-6 varying size others. All with different stuff on them. Download. Documents. Etc. If I had a need for onboard, online memory I would have a look at this. I had not thought of doing this so I had never thought of it. HTH Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 04 October 2009 15:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Oct 4 14:46:16 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:46:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> I have a 16GB Corsair thumb drive that died. Now, I do carry it around with me. For a drive that stays plugged in, I do not know about the reliability of that setup. I just know many people that have had USB thumb drives die on them. I will say that I have had a usb thumb drive connected to my PC for ready boost for about 2 years with no problems. These drives still usually have much slower access times. Basically, I just do not trust the flash drives enough yet to have important data on them. As for the external drives, the downside to those are the transfer speed unless you are using an eSATA connection, which are pretty speedy. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:39 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Bobby OK, what I was looking for is if anyone _does_ use such drives this way. Could I be the first one? As for reliability, does your opinion reflect actual or second hand experience? We and our clients have used these since day one and, in fact, the only one I've ever seen fail is one of the original IBM USB Memory Key (19K4513): http://www.buycoms.com/spec.asp?ProductTypeID=2&ProductID=58 I still keep it as a collector's item in the original box! /gustav >>> bheid at sc.rr.com 04-10-2009 16:58 >>> I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 15:18:10 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:18:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? Message-ID: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> A whole slew of people are now sending me messages saying that they are following me on Twitter. I don't know what Twitter is, or why people are following me on Twitter, or why anyone would want to follow me on Twitter, or why I would want to be on Twitter. But I have received approximately 100 messages saying that people are following me on Twitter. I admit that I am a senior citizen but I have no idea what these people are following me for, and no idea what Twitter is, nor any idea how to prevent these messages. Apparently I am too old for this stuff. People I have never heard of are tracking me on Twitter, and I don't even know what Twitter is. But I guess that I am way out of the loop, because even Jay Leno makes reference to it. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 4 15:25:12 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:25:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 4 15:43:48 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption In-Reply-To: <4ac8f696.0a04d00a.26d5.4c2d@mx.google.com> References: <001b01ca4503$1c01d120$54057360$@rr.com><24E4759D466941CFAF91E0257B1F2463@HAL9005> <4ac8f696.0a04d00a.26d5.4c2d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9BA81BAD47484BC2A86B47428A579829@HAL9005> EHD I think of as 200GB+ - the USB drive 1-10GB. But functionally, yes, they're both the same. Just saw a 1TB at Fry's for $99. I let the feeling pass. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Not sure what you mean by this Rocky, I have a 500Gb and a 1.5Tb hard drive both attached to my PC as well as the various memory sticks. ALL connect via the USB connector(s). How do you define "External". To me, all of the above PLUS the integral HD 600Gb are all treated the same. I see no difference between them as far a usage is concerned. The only difference is that I can pick all of them, with the exception of one, and easily and quickly, move them to another PC and back again. I think that is the way of the future and maybe I am there already. LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 04 October 2009 16:24 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption How about an external HD like the WD Passport? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption I would not trust a USB stick (or thumb drive) on a server (or a pc for that matter). They just are not dependable enough. The lowest power consumption would come from using one or more of the newer SSD drives. Although they will cost you. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption Hi Jim True, most production servers need to run continuously. My question is related to small setups, thus your #3 probably not implementable; however, your #2 about the diskdrives is certainly valid as 2?" drives have become common for many tasks. A variation on this is USB sticks. Now in the multi GB range, has anyone used these for system disks? As for #1 we do this routinely. Highly recommended as you can access the server screen both on-site and off-site. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 4 15:46:03 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:46:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You apparently signed up somewhere along the way. I did during the Iranian elections to see how the protesters were using Twitter to organize and evade the police. Occasionally, I get an email from someone saying they're not following me on Twitter. But they'll be sorely disappointed because I never twit. Or tweet is the proper word. Nobody wants to twit. Or be twitted. Or be a twit. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? A whole slew of people are now sending me messages saying that they are following me on Twitter. I don't know what Twitter is, or why people are following me on Twitter, or why anyone would want to follow me on Twitter, or why I would want to be on Twitter. But I have received approximately 100 messages saying that people are following me on Twitter. I admit that I am a senior citizen but I have no idea what these people are following me for, and no idea what Twitter is, nor any idea how to prevent these messages. Apparently I am too old for this stuff. People I have never heard of are tracking me on Twitter, and I don't even know what Twitter is. But I guess that I am way out of the loop, because even Jay Leno makes reference to it. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 4 16:00:36 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:00:36 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? Message-ID: Hi Arthur You are just getting old, however not older than you can easily catch up. The only thing that is difficult to understand about Twitter is that there is no more to understand than this is for the internet what SMS (or text message) is for the cell phone. The header "What are you doing?" says it all. This is so childish and egocentric that you have to be a teenager to appreciate it. Why bother other people about your current doings of this and that unless you really believe this is important for someone: "I'm checking e-mail". Who cares? Shamil and I are joining out of curiosity (we interchanged no more than two messages to find out). Mark Breen is too. As for the messages you receive, if the sender names look strange to you, these are probably just trying to get your attention - only to pass it on to some pornographic site. I can see an account, Artfull (Arthur Fuller), is that you? Following T. Avery and J. Donovan. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 04-10-2009 22:18 >>> A whole slew of people are now sending me messages saying that they are following me on Twitter. I don't know what Twitter is, or why people are following me on Twitter, or why anyone would want to follow me on Twitter, or why I would want to be on Twitter. But I have received approximately 100 messages saying that people are following me on Twitter. I admit that I am a senior citizen but I have no idea what these people are following me for, and no idea what Twitter is, nor any idea how to prevent these messages. Apparently I am too old for this stuff. People I have never heard of are tracking me on Twitter, and I don't even know what Twitter is. But I guess that I am way out of the loop, because even Jay Leno makes reference to it. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 4 16:16:24 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:16:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: 12 USB ports? Nice. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 4 22:22:44 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:22:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8738923A065B45A59C9A9CB36E39AF16@creativesystemdesigns.com> Do they mean another Arthur? ...Or maybe they have heard of your exploits and fans will not be denied. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? A whole slew of people are now sending me messages saying that they are following me on Twitter. I don't know what Twitter is, or why people are following me on Twitter, or why anyone would want to follow me on Twitter, or why I would want to be on Twitter. But I have received approximately 100 messages saying that people are following me on Twitter. I admit that I am a senior citizen but I have no idea what these people are following me for, and no idea what Twitter is, nor any idea how to prevent these messages. Apparently I am too old for this stuff. People I have never heard of are tracking me on Twitter, and I don't even know what Twitter is. But I guess that I am way out of the loop, because even Jay Leno makes reference to it. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 02:58:18 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:58:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? In-Reply-To: <8738923A065B45A59C9A9CB36E39AF16@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd0910041318m12fc62berf2e54e3fe4432e2a@mail.gmail.com> <8738923A065B45A59C9A9CB36E39AF16@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Arthur, It is also possible that another spam trick has evolved whereby they now email you, with a link to their profile (the pornographic site, that is), to say that they are following you on twitter, even if you have not created a twitter account. I joined twitter on 31st Dec 2008 but so far have not seen any value in it. I hear some people talking on the DNN podcasts about how they have to switch off twitter for a few hours to concentrate on work, I cannot believe they they waste so much time. One site I found which seemed interesting was TwitScoop http://www.twitscoop.com/ According tot them "Never miss the buzz Watch the trends live on the cloud, tweet from your account." This site has a cloud that is changing as words become popular, Mark 2009/10/5 Jim Lawrence > Do they mean another Arthur? > > ...Or maybe they have heard of your exploits and fans will not be denied. > ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:18 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] What is Twitter and Why Should I be Interested? > > A whole slew of people are now sending me messages saying that they are > following me on Twitter. I don't know what Twitter is, or why people are > following me on Twitter, or why anyone would want to follow me on Twitter, > or why I would want to be on Twitter. But I have received approximately 100 > messages saying that people are following me on Twitter. I admit that I am > a > senior citizen but I have no idea what these people are following me for, > and no idea what Twitter is, nor any idea how to prevent these messages. > Apparently I am too old for this stuff. People I have never heard of are > tracking me on Twitter, and I don't even know what Twitter is. But I guess > that I am way out of the loop, because even Jay Leno makes reference to it. > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 5 09:55:58 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:55:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> Hi Jim, A few months ago someone here pointed out to me that Acronis Backup & Recovery can turn a disk image into a VM. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 5 11:27:02 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:27:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> Message-ID: <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: Thanks for the info. I have a DriveImageXML ISO and the process of restoring it to the new VPC (VirtualBox) drive is not an issue. The only problem is that the restore features on DIX looks at the virtual drive it is about to restore to and quits saying drive is not large enough. Of course the virtual drive is variable so as data is entered it will just keep the drive expanding until the maximum of the real drive is reached. Now I have to figure out what to do. You can not re-set the size or expansion method of the virtual drive when once created. The last thing I would want is a fixed size drive... There may be a method of simply generating a file(s) that forces the expansion of the virtual drive up to 60GB... gross in concept but for now I can not think of a better method... Any thoughts? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi Jim, A few months ago someone here pointed out to me that Acronis Backup & Recovery can turn a disk image into a VM. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 5 12:25:43 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:25:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si lverlight-291?source=fssr Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 5 15:27:49 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:27:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Access Mag is back In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5E0018A10DD14C8795EF7826ABDB4D50@creativesystemdesigns.com> According to Helen Feddema, a long time MS Access supporter Smart Access is back! A great magazine that was put together by over a 100 Access professionals for more than 10 years. Over 400 articles from Smart Access are now accessible in digital format. Click here: http://click.office-watch.com/t/33888675/17856031/82781/0 Jim From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 5 17:20:46 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:20:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> With MS Virtual PC 2007 it appears that the Virtual Disk Manager allows you to change the type and increase the size to fixed drive - 60GB. I've never done it though. I just added a second virtual drive to one of my VMs (very long process). Problem is the VM it's assigned to didn't pick it up except in Disk Manager, where it doesn't let me do anything with it. I have yet to dig through any documentation to see if there is something I need to do after creating it... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:27 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi John: Thanks for the info. I have a DriveImageXML ISO and the process of restoring it to the new VPC (VirtualBox) drive is not an issue. The only problem is that the restore features on DIX looks at the virtual drive it is about to restore to and quits saying drive is not large enough. Of course the virtual drive is variable so as data is entered it will just keep the drive expanding until the maximum of the real drive is reached. Now I have to figure out what to do. You can not re-set the size or expansion method of the virtual drive when once created. The last thing I would want is a fixed size drive... There may be a method of simply generating a file(s) that forces the expansion of the virtual drive up to 60GB... gross in concept but for now I can not think of a better method... Any thoughts? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi Jim, A few months ago someone here pointed out to me that Acronis Backup & Recovery can turn a disk image into a VM. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 5 23:08:26 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:08:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ACAC2BA.3030202@earthlink.net> W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If > it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render > unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si > lverlight-291?source=fssr > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2415 - Release Date: 10/05/09 06:19:00 > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 6 01:01:05 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:01:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard Message-ID: Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. Just my opinion. http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=bb1 /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 06:08 >>> W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If > it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render > unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si > lverlight-291?source=fssr > > Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 6 02:46:07 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:46:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACAF5BF.50006@earthlink.net> >Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with >Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. AFAIK it's not an illness, it's a personality variant, but fair enough: Web languages are for everyone, not just for geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Gustav Brock wrote: > Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. > Just my opinion. > > http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=bb1 > > /gustav > > > >>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 06:08 >>> >>>> > W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". > CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that > dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. > > Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who > don't get out enough. > > PB > > ----- > > Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If >> it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render >> unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. >> >> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si >> lverlight-291?source=fssr >> >> Jim >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2415 - Release Date: 10/05/09 06:19:00 > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 04:18:36 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:18:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a while, but have not found a suitable place to ask. I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I bought the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI outputs on the back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the card both at 1920 x 1600, which is really great. However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know the name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or PCI, but I am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is about 5-6 inches long, there are about four or five other sockets on the mobo, but they are all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when I saw them. Initially I thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in this machine other than the video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only supports one video card? thanks for any info, Mark 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my > wife's > old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the > only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA > connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in > addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed > 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port > connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I > have > not figured out how to configure it as of yet. > > She seems happy but for how long? > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and > simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was > 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists > about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand > experience. > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > MTIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Oct 6 04:34:40 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:34:40 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you've got a PCI-Express video card. I think that the smaller ones are another type of PCI-E. I've not seen any motherboards that only come with one full size slot though, maybe you were really lucky there :-) You would need another full size PCI-E slot to put another card in though, I don't think you can get cards to fit the smaller PCI-E slots. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hello Jim, May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a while, but have not found a suitable place to ask. I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I bought the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI outputs on the back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the card both at 1920 x 1600, which is really great. However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know the name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or PCI, but I am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is about 5-6 inches long, there are about four or five other sockets on the mobo, but they are all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when I saw them. Initially I thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in this machine other than the video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only supports one video card? thanks for any info, Mark 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my > wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory > and CPU. > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with > taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA > connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS > configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; > from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility > it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The > board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to > configure it as of yet. > > She seems happy but for how long? > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) > and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old > drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some > talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I > have had no first hand experience. > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > MTIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 05:16:52 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:16:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jon, thanks for the terminology, yes what you describe sounds correct. Do I get it right that mobo's usually have more them one PCI-Express?, whats normal two or three? So what will I do with all the NE2000 network cards that I have here and the 3COM 3c905's :) Oh, and all the 56k modems I also have ? Mark 2009/10/6 Tydda Jon - Slough > Sounds like you've got a PCI-Express video card. I think that the smaller > ones are another type of PCI-E. > > I've not seen any motherboards that only come with one full size slot > though, maybe you were really lucky there :-) > > You would need another full size PCI-E slot to put another card in though, > I don't think you can get cards to fit the smaller PCI-E slots. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hello Jim, > May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a while, > but have not found a suitable place to ask. > > I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I bought > the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI outputs on the > back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the card both at 1920 x > 1600, which is really great. > > However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really > because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. > When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is > installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know the > name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or PCI, but I > am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is about 5-6 inches > long, there are about four or five other sockets on the mobo, but they are > all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when I saw them. Initially I > thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in this machine other than the > video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. > > Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only supports > one video card? > > thanks for any info, > > Mark > > > > > 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > > > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my > > wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory > > and CPU. > > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with > > taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD > drive, $40. > > > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA > > connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS > > configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; > > from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility > > it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The > > board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to > > configure it as of yet. > > > > She seems happy but for how long? > > > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) > > and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old > > drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some > > talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I > > have had no first hand experience. > > > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > > > MTIA > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Oct 6 05:25:49 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:25:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Mine's got 4 full sized slots and two small ones, but it was a top of the range mobo when I bought it. Asus P5-DH (or some such combination of letters). As for all the other cards, I guess you'll either have to put them in a drawer (especially the 56k modem!) or see if you can get a convertor for them. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hello Jon, thanks for the terminology, yes what you describe sounds correct. Do I get it right that mobo's usually have more them one PCI-Express?, whats normal two or three? So what will I do with all the NE2000 network cards that I have here and the 3COM 3c905's :) Oh, and all the 56k modems I also have ? Mark 2009/10/6 Tydda Jon - Slough > Sounds like you've got a PCI-Express video card. I think that the > smaller ones are another type of PCI-E. > > I've not seen any motherboards that only come with one full size slot > though, maybe you were really lucky there :-) > > You would need another full size PCI-E slot to put another card in > though, I don't think you can get cards to fit the smaller PCI-E slots. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hello Jim, > May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a > while, but have not found a suitable place to ask. > > I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I > bought the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI > outputs on the back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the > card both at 1920 x 1600, which is really great. > > However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really > because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. > When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is > installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know > the name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or > PCI, but I am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is > about 5-6 inches long, there are about four or five other sockets on > the mobo, but they are all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when > I saw them. Initially I thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in > this machine other than the video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. > > Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only > supports one video card? > > thanks for any info, > > Mark > > > > > 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > > > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in > > my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for > > memory and CPU. > > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with > > taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical > > DVD > drive, $40. > > > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, > > eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS > > configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; > > from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility > > it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The > > board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to > > configure it as of yet. > > > > She seems happy but for how long? > > > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) > > and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old > > drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some > > talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I > > have had no first hand experience. > > > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > > > MTIA > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 06:49:39 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:49:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> Message-ID: <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think that is a 'feature' of all the VPC versions. Once created it can not me modified externally. The other 'feature' is of course that it will not allow a restore over the root drive which is what I would like to do. The next step I will try is to make an ISO of the original 60GB drive and install it that way... That will take a long while. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive With MS Virtual PC 2007 it appears that the Virtual Disk Manager allows you to change the type and increase the size to fixed drive - 60GB. I've never done it though. I just added a second virtual drive to one of my VMs (very long process). Problem is the VM it's assigned to didn't pick it up except in Disk Manager, where it doesn't let me do anything with it. I have yet to dig through any documentation to see if there is something I need to do after creating it... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:27 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi John: Thanks for the info. I have a DriveImageXML ISO and the process of restoring it to the new VPC (VirtualBox) drive is not an issue. The only problem is that the restore features on DIX looks at the virtual drive it is about to restore to and quits saying drive is not large enough. Of course the virtual drive is variable so as data is entered it will just keep the drive expanding until the maximum of the real drive is reached. Now I have to figure out what to do. You can not re-set the size or expansion method of the virtual drive when once created. The last thing I would want is a fixed size drive... There may be a method of simply generating a file(s) that forces the expansion of the virtual drive up to 60GB... gross in concept but for now I can not think of a better method... Any thoughts? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi Jim, A few months ago someone here pointed out to me that Acronis Backup & Recovery can turn a disk image into a VM. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my wife's old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I have not figured out how to configure it as of yet. She seems happy but for how long? Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand experience. Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 06:57:15 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:57:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: <4ACAC2BA.3030202@earthlink.net> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ACAC2BA.3030202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <722CB670E0984F5C9F6AAFD771D02461@creativesystemdesigns.com> Frames will work if the content is from the original site or if the site is a 'trusted' site. The whole concern thing about frames was originally due to some coding errors in the original JavaScript that would allow a Framed site to take over the current host. That can not happen any more as all browsers have been fixed. The last time that could happen was back in the '90s. ...But some perceptions persist. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If > it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render > unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si > lverlight-291?source=fssr > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2415 - Release Date: 10/05/09 06:19:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 07:01:07 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:01:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <783B2F038FDB433881438A8F3EB6C8FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have not seen a Webring for years... Replaced by MySpace, FaceBook, etc... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. Just my opinion. http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=bb1 /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 06:08 >>> W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. If > it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render > unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si > lverlight-291?source=fssr > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 07:26:06 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:26:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <08E83D86B7A6413D9C41B1CFA2CD2C1B@creativesystemdesigns.com> There are three types of Video cards, PCI, AGP and the new standard PCI Express (New standard). The layout on each slot is different so they are not inter-changeable. If your computer is within the last 2 years then it has a PCI Express slot. If you want the capability of more than 2 monitors you will have to buy the appropriate video cards: http://www.9xmedia.com/products/video_cards/index.php (I have installed a lot of 4x monitor video cards for investment sections of banks.) I have not seen those 'mini' slots that you describe before. Just read the code off the MoBo and 'Google' it. Here is a link to the range of MoBo slots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Motherboard_expansion_slot HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hello Jim, May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a while, but have not found a suitable place to ask. I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I bought the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI outputs on the back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the card both at 1920 x 1600, which is really great. However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know the name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or PCI, but I am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is about 5-6 inches long, there are about four or five other sockets on the mobo, but they are all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when I saw them. Initially I thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in this machine other than the video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only supports one video card? thanks for any info, Mark 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my > wife's > old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the > only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA > connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in > addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed > 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port > connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I > have > not figured out how to configure it as of yet. > > She seems happy but for how long? > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and > simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was > 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists > about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand > experience. > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > MTIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 07:30:37 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:30:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <078B37BE64D9484BB9CB6459C990919E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Mark: Here is a page on the slot your curious about. They appear to be mini PCI express cards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hello Jim, May I ask you a question that I have been trying to figure out for a while, but have not found a suitable place to ask. I have a new Dell PC with the intel i7 processor, I upgraded when I bought the machine to include the 4850 video card. It has two DVI outputs on the back and I can sucessfully run two monitors from the card both at 1920 x 1600, which is really great. However, I am now curious how I would run a third monitor - not really because I think I would use it, mostly just wondering whether I could do it. When I look at the connector on the video card, and the socket it is installed in, there is only one such socket. Sorry that I do not know the name of the socket. In the olden days, it would have been ISA or PCI, but I am not sure what this socket is called. The 4850 socket is about 5-6 inches long, there are about four or five other sockets on the mobo, but they are all only approx 1 inch long, I was shocked when I saw them. Initially I thought, Hey there are no expansion slots in this machine other than the video card, then I saw these little baby sockets. Are they new? I guess so, but does that mean that this mobo only supports one video card? thanks for any info, Mark 2009/10/4 Jim Lawrence > Last night I installed a new ASUS M4A78 Plus mother (2600 MHz), in my > wife's > old computer. The motherboard was $100, $30 x 2GB for memory and CPU. > Quad-core AMD... the whole arrangement came to about $230 with taxes... the > only additional expense was having to get an optical DVD drive, $40. > > The new board comes with a 1 GB NIC, two video card slots, eSATA/SATA > connection, 5 on the board and two off the back (all BIOS configurable), in > addition it come with 12 USB ports (auto-sensing; from legacy to high speed > 2.0), sound and for backward compatibility it comes with COM and LPT port > connectors as well as IDE slots. The board also supports Firewire but I > have > not figured out how to configure it as of yet. > > She seems happy but for how long? > > Now the question. I hope to just install a virtual PC (VirtualBox?) and > simple install the old XP boot drive in/on the virtual. The old drive was > 60GB and the new one is 500GB. I remember there was some talk, on the Lists > about just backing up a drive on to a VPC but I have had no first hand > experience. > > Any suggestions? Best methods? Best software? Gotcas? Etc.. > > MTIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 08:29:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:29:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Emails Scammed Message-ID: <4acb4654.1c07d00a.19d7.5d29@mx.google.com> There we are Arthur, now you know where your emails go to. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8292299.stm Max From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 6 11:34:32 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard In-Reply-To: <722CB670E0984F5C9F6AAFD771D02461@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ACAC2BA.3030202@earthlink.net> <722CB670E0984F5C9F6AAFD771D02461@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ACB7198.1040100@earthlink.net> Jim, thanks for that heads-up. P. Jim Lawrence wrote: > Frames will work if the content is from the original site or if the site is > a 'trusted' site. The whole concern thing about frames was originally due to > some coding errors in the original JavaScript that would allow a Framed site > to take over the current host. That can not happen any more as all browsers > have been fixed. The last time that could happen was back in the '90s. > > ...But some perceptions persist. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:08 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard > > W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". > CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that > dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. > > Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who > don't get out enough. > > PB > > ----- > > Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> HTML 5 standard is on the horizon and seems on its way to W3C acceptance. >> > If > >> it is completed to its early specifications would it eliminate or render >> unnecessary such protocols as Flash and SilverLight. >> >> >> > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-si > >> lverlight-291?source=fssr >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2415 - Release Date: 10/05/09 >> > 06:19:00 > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2417 - Release Date: 10/06/09 06:50:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 12:18:47 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams Message-ID: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 13:47:44 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:47:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com> I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 13:57:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:57:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 6 14:53:08 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:53:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> It could have been worse... your not out of civilisation until you can not plug in your laptop. Jim PS I am using Clonezilla to create a ISO backup... It took me 5 reboots to figure out that when selecting drives, it required a tab to the OK before pressing ... But basically the rest is brain dead so I had no trouble using it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 6 15:03:21 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:03:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com><0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com><4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I think getting away from it all is quite liberating, and definitely good for you. Went camping for aw eek over the summer, and although I took my camera and a charger, and we all had mobile phones, but that was it. No email, no facebook, no nothing. We survived ok without it, and it was kinda nice. Maybe I'm just odd though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 20:53 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams It could have been worse... your not out of civilisation until you can not plug in your laptop. Jim PS I am using Clonezilla to create a ISO backup... It took me 5 reboots to figure out that when selecting drives, it required a tab to the OK before pressing ... But basically the rest is brain dead so I had no trouble using it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 15:06:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:06:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com> <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4acba356.0508d00a.2e30.4550@mx.google.com> Yes, it is free so we cannot complain about the UI. I am hoping Arthur has had the courage to restore the image to see if it works both ways. I am upgrading my connection speed next week so I will be able to do some further testing then. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 20:53 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams It could have been worse... your not out of civilisation until you can not plug in your laptop. Jim PS I am using Clonezilla to create a ISO backup... It took me 5 reboots to figure out that when selecting drives, it required a tab to the OK before pressing ... But basically the rest is brain dead so I had no trouble using it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 15:07:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:07:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com><0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com><4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4acba383.0a1ad00a.1d56.ffffb4e4@mx.google.com> You? Odd? Nah! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 06 October 2009 21:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I think getting away from it all is quite liberating, and definitely good for you. Went camping for aw eek over the summer, and although I took my camera and a charger, and we all had mobile phones, but that was it. No email, no facebook, no nothing. We survived ok without it, and it was kinda nice. Maybe I'm just odd though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 20:53 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams It could have been worse... your not out of civilisation until you can not plug in your laptop. Jim PS I am using Clonezilla to create a ISO backup... It took me 5 reboots to figure out that when selecting drives, it required a tab to the OK before pressing ... But basically the rest is brain dead so I had no trouble using it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 6 15:18:54 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:18:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <4acba383.0a1ad00a.1d56.ffffb4e4@mx.google.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com><0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com><4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> <253A6896A229409A8FD7CCC8B2849C3B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4acba383.0a1ad00a.1d56.ffffb4e4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <44244FE72A3E4032A96B6BF1F6F8AFFB@jt2c> You're too kind. I was hoping someone would say that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 06 October 2009 21:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams You? Odd? Nah! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 06 October 2009 21:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I think getting away from it all is quite liberating, and definitely good for you. Went camping for aw eek over the summer, and although I took my camera and a charger, and we all had mobile phones, but that was it. No email, no facebook, no nothing. We survived ok without it, and it was kinda nice. Maybe I'm just odd though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 20:53 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams It could have been worse... your not out of civilisation until you can not plug in your laptop. Jim PS I am using Clonezilla to create a ISO backup... It took me 5 reboots to figure out that when selecting drives, it required a tab to the OK before pressing ... But basically the rest is brain dead so I had no trouble using it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the internet caf?.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell though. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no doubt! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Electric Dreams How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 6 15:56:45 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:56:45 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com>, <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ACBAF0D.171.658744D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Last Christmas, I spent four weeks cruising arounnd Milne Bay on a 30ft Wharram catamaran. Just enough electricity from solar power to keep the instruments and navigation lights running. Apart from that, no "mod cons" at all. It was great. -- Stuart On 6 Oct 2009 at 19:57, Max Wanadoo wrote: > I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the > internet caf?.. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams > > I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a > good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After > a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell > though. ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams > > There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no > doubt! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Electric Dreams > > > > > How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made > to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes > family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 16:48:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:48:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams In-Reply-To: <4ACBAF0D.171.658744D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4acb7c0e.0aaa660a.4845.4031@mx.google.com>, <0A918C64B20F4771A672C4A1A329FEA0@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <4acb9344.0a04d00a.0f46.204d@mx.google.com> <4ACBAF0D.171.658744D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4acbbb34.0a04d00a.3371.446e@mx.google.com> Four weeks! Guess you got lost eh? Take a power pack next time. And a few beer packs too. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 06 October 2009 21:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams Last Christmas, I spent four weeks cruising arounnd Milne Bay on a 30ft Wharram catamaran. Just enough electricity from solar power to keep the instruments and navigation lights running. Apart from that, no "mod cons" at all. It was great. -- Stuart On 6 Oct 2009 at 19:57, Max Wanadoo wrote: > I once went 13 hours without email. When we landed I went straight to the > internet caf?.. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 06 October 2009 19:48 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams > > I used to take the family camping and the most advancements we had was a > good Coleman's stove, a good Coleman's lantern and a portable cooler. After > a couple of days you don't notice it...those couple of days were hell > though. ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:19 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Electric Dreams > > There would be a few people on this list that would be v.e.r.y. upset no > doubt! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 06 October 2009 17:04 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Electric Dreams > > > > > How will one family survive being stripped of their modern gadgets and made > to live with 1970s' technology? Electric Dreams put the Sullivan-Barnes > family from Reading to the test. So long texting, hello Teasmade. > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 7 02:31:25 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:31:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can not afford MS Visio? In-Reply-To: References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi All: If you can not afford Microsoft Visio there is an inexpensive alternative: http://dia-installer.de/index_en.html Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 15:46:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:46:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Icons Message-ID: <4accfe24.170e660a.1714.2a5b@mx.google.com> Hi Guys, I downloaded this file but it has not extension. Anybody know how to open it and extract the icons? http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=459981 &tag=nl.e530 Max From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 7 16:09:30 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:09:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Icons Message-ID: Hi Max The main file is a zip file. It contains icon libraries, icl files, intended for your desktop (theme). /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 07-10-2009 22:46 >>> Hi Guys, I downloaded this file but it has not extension. Anybody know how to open it and extract the icons? http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=459981 &tag=nl.e530 Max From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Oct 7 16:15:00 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Icons In-Reply-To: <4accfe24.170e660a.1714.2a5b@mx.google.com> References: <4accfe24.170e660a.1714.2a5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ACD04D4.1070909@torchlake.com> Max, I downloaded it and it came as <> Inside were some 21 separate files, most with the extension ".icl" Hope this helps, T Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > I downloaded this file but it has not extension. Anybody know how to open > it and extract the icons? > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=459981 > > &tag=nl.e530 > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 9 06:25:12 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:25:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Recruit Autistics (was: HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard) Message-ID: Hi all These people have very special skills: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-10/ff_smartlist_sonne /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 09:46 >>> >Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with >Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. AFAIK it's not an illness, it's a personality variant, but fair enough: Web languages are for everyone, not just for geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Gustav Brock wrote: > Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. > Just my opinion. > > http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=bb1 > > /gustav > > > >>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 06:08 >>> >>>> > W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". > CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that > dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. > > Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who > don't get out enough. > > PB From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 06:52:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:52:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Recruit Autistics (was: HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> I'm with you on that Gustav. Saw a friend of mine the other day, he's only got one arm...! "Where you off to?" - I shouted. "To change a light bulb" he said... "That's going to be awkward isn't it...?" "Not really..." he said, "I've still got the receipt." :-) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 09 October 2009 12:25 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Recruit Autistics (was: HTML 5, emerging new W3C standard) Hi all These people have very special skills: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-10/ff_smartlist_sonne /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 09:46 >>> >Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with >Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. AFAIK it's not an illness, it's a personality variant, but fair enough: Web languages are for everyone, not just for geeks who don't get out enough. PB ----- Gustav Brock wrote: > Sorry Peter, but I don't think we should make fun of people with Asperger Syndrome - or any other syndrome or illness for that matter. > Just my opinion. > > http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=bb1 > > /gustav > > > >>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 06-10-2009 06:08 >>> >>>> > W3C seems to have been taken over by religionists. Frames are "bad". > CSS2 is "good". Like coding religionists of bygone years telling us that > dynamically typed languages were "bad", only O-O code was "good", &c. > > Web languages are for everyone, not just for Asperger geeks who > don't get out enough. > > PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 9 10:09:11 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:09:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now MAC In-Reply-To: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> MAC has long cast themselves as rebelling against the establishment of IBM/MS. But are they now more concerned on blocking competition than innovation? http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mp3s/big-bother-dvd-jon-has-steve-jobs -in-a-twist-20091009-gpu7.html Jim From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 9 11:06:06 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:06:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now MAC In-Reply-To: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <070b01ca48fa$6849c790$38dd56b0$@net> IMO Mac is all about blocking the competition. That's why there are only MAC computers from Apple (there was a short period where other manufacturers could build MAC computers). They bundle tons of things with their OS that MS would be in court for. And they're not overly friendly to their 3rd party developers, hence, all the bad vibes over the iPhone apps that being blocked. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Now MAC MAC has long cast themselves as rebelling against the establishment of IBM/MS. But are they now more concerned on blocking competition than innovation? http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mp3s/big-bother-dvd-jon-has-steve-jobs -in-a-twist-20091009-gpu7.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 9 12:40:38 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:40:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now MAC In-Reply-To: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi All: In further information to my previous post, here is a link to the new app allowing completely open access to and from your ipod, iphone blackberry etc.: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 12 15:00:01 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:00:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:12:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:12:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> I *think* it is possible, but has anybody measure the speed of *thought*? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Oct 12 15:29:50 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:29:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at theLarge Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <89BE8F2B0EC94C87A01CBBE6345F9C2C@jt2c> It's quite slow for some people :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 12 October 2009 21:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at theLarge Hadron Collider I *think* it is possible, but has anybody measure the speed of *thought*? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Mon Oct 12 15:33:27 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well it says "that this effect could be exploited to propel an initially stationary mass to a good fraction of the speed of light." So the answer to your question is No. A fraction of the speed of light is not greater than the SOL. It seems like the only person using the SF term "Hyperdrive" is the blogger. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:46:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:46:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at theLarge Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: <89BE8F2B0EC94C87A01CBBE6345F9C2C@jt2c> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> <89BE8F2B0EC94C87A01CBBE6345F9C2C@jt2c> Message-ID: <4ad395c0.0707d00a.6b4c.64d9@mx.google.com> Ya talking about me again, Jon? Eh! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 12 October 2009 21:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at theLarge Hadron Collider It's quite slow for some people :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 12 October 2009 21:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at theLarge Hadron Collider I *think* it is possible, but has anybody measure the speed of *thought*? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:47:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:47:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ad395f6.0a04d00a.5307.6741@mx.google.com> So could an ion drive, but you might have to hang around for a few billion years before anything started happening... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 12 October 2009 21:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider Well it says "that this effect could be exploited to propel an initially stationary mass to a good fraction of the speed of light." So the answer to your question is No. A fraction of the speed of light is not greater than the SOL. It seems like the only person using the SF term "Hyperdrive" is the blogger. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 12 15:52:22 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:52:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the LargeHadron Collider In-Reply-To: <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Duh.... well under light speed I predict. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the LargeHadron Collider I *think* it is possible, but has anybody measure the speed of *thought*? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:57:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:57:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the LargeHadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ad38dd2.0702d00a.5865.4d6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ad39832.0707d00a.6cf6.6663@mx.google.com> Maybe the hadron collider will provide the answers, assuming it doesn't annihilate us first. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:52 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the LargeHadron Collider Duh.... well under light speed I predict. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the LargeHadron Collider I *think* it is possible, but has anybody measure the speed of *thought*? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 12 October 2009 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Oct 12 16:57:59 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:57:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I bet they're talking about JET - I've heard it's pretty fast! ;-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Hyperdrive Propulsion Could Be Tested at the Large Hadron Collider A hyper drive populsion system is being mathematically created... Is faster than light speeds possible? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24211 According to these calculations it is possible. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 13 10:48:20 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:48:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Drive uses In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: The following link gave me a few tips on things I did not know about USB drives, supporting sites and possibilities. Maybe some of you have not tried these features: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/itdojo/?p=1078&tag=nl.e101 HTH someone. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 14 10:42:31 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:42:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new search engine; Yebol In-Reply-To: <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone been looking at this new search engine? http://www.yebol.com It looks very promising. Now Yahoo, Bing, Wolframalpha and of course Google have some more competition. Jim From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Wed Oct 14 11:00:10 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:00:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP software and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is there some easier way? thank you Lembit From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 14 11:21:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:21:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP software and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is there some easier way? thank you Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 14 11:25:07 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:25:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Lembit: Have you looked at: http://portableapps.com and http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6160062.html?tag=leftCol; post-108 Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP software and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is there some easier way? thank you Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Wed Oct 14 11:46:22 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:46:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> Message-ID: <7D8FA752CB294C74992E9FCDC9B14C0F@s1800> Thank you, rocky, just reading it now Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > > what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? > I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP > software > and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is > there some easier way? > > thank you > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Wed Oct 14 11:51:38 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:51:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6C51ED15F8F24AC2A3CC9DDC6D8BC304@s1800> thank you, Jim, the second one is the same as what Rocky sent. the first one I need to find out what it really is. thanks Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Hi Lembit: > > Have you looked at: > http://portableapps.com > > and > > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6160062.html?tag=leftCol; > post-108 > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > > what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? > I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP > software > and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) > is there some easier way? > > thank you > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 14 13:00:14 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:00:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable In-Reply-To: <6C51ED15F8F24AC2A3CC9DDC6D8BC304@s1800> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6C51ED15F8F24AC2A3CC9DDC6D8BC304@s1800> Message-ID: <075040AEA0494BC1BD4EBC137D7C3820@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Lembit: If you need a fully working copy, with networking and backup software ,of a Bart's PE image, ready to go, for your USB stick, I can send you link, to a prebuilt, so you can download and use it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable thank you, Jim, the second one is the same as what Rocky sent. the first one I need to find out what it really is. thanks Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Hi Lembit: > > Have you looked at: > http://portableapps.com > > and > > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6160062.html?tag=leftCol; > post-108 > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > > what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? > I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP > software > and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) > is there some easier way? > > thank you > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Wed Oct 14 13:29:43 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:29:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com><6C51ED15F8F24AC2A3CC9DDC6D8BC304@s1800> <075040AEA0494BC1BD4EBC137D7C3820@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hey, Jim, that is sure helpfull tia Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Hi Lembit: > > If you need a fully working copy, with networking and backup software ,of > a > Bart's PE image, ready to go, for your USB stick, I can send you link, to > a > prebuilt, so you can download and use it. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > thank you, Jim, > > the second one is the same as what Rocky sent. the first one I need to > find > out what it really is. > > thanks > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lawrence" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > >> Hi Lembit: >> >> Have you looked at: >> http://portableapps.com >> >> and >> >> > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6160062.html?tag=leftCol; >> post-108 >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >> >> >> what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on >> it)? >> I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP >> software >> and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) >> is there some easier way? >> >> thank you >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 14 15:09:30 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:09:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Message-ID: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Oct 14 15:21:56 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:21:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4DE5C22ACEEF43248D022F9898800613@jt2c> As I remember, LCD is for screens up to 50", and plasma is for screens of over 50". Or at least it used to be... Read this for details: http://www.which.co.uk/advice/lcd-vs-plasma-tvs/index.jsp Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:23:06 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: My understanding is that LCD does better in rooms that have other light sources like windows. Plasma does better in darker spaces. Plasma screens are generally shinier so they have more reflections so they tend to need darker rooms to minimize those reflections. LCD tends to be BRIGHTER so it can also handle brighter rooms from that way too. Plasma is thought to produce better BLACKS than LCD though which tends to have more dark grey blacks. This information may be somewhat dated though as I haven't been keeping up with recent developments in TV technology. I would guess that the gaps have closed and it's not as big of a deal. Size may be your determinating factor though. Plasma's are not afailable in as many sizes as LCD's seem to be. And LCD's are only available up to about 50" or they get seriously expensive above that size. If you want 60 or up you might look at DLP rear projection. They are only about 16 inches deep and you can go up to 73" diagonal. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: We have an LCD in a 40" in a fairly bright room and it works just fine. We also have a DLP 62" and it works better with the shades drawn when it's a sunny day. Even though it has a anti-glare screen on it there is still quite a bit of reflection. But that TV is 5 years old now and people are still awed by the picture on it too. GK > Dear Lists: > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at > a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference between LCD and > plasma? ?Which one to get? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 14 15:26:24 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:26:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: <55F363E292F24118B95D542CAFE4E956@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky... May I be so bold as to suggest checking out the following: http://www.yebol.com/newsearch?key=compare+LCD+and+plasma&t=s&x=0&y=0 Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:10 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Oct 14 15:30:46 2009 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:30:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: These links might help: http://tinyurl.com/yjvk4hc http://tinyurl.com/yf9gfjt http://tinyurl.com/2oa7xk Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 22:10 An: 'Off Topic'; List Betreff: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:30:24 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:30:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> Rocky, I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:39:49 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:39:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Samsung is certainly a well respected brand. It's amazing when you see the wall of TV's in the store how much better some look than others do when they are side by side. Granted ALL those TV's will probably look much better than the TV you already have at home, but if you can get a better picture for similar money, why not. When we bought our 40"LCD we went to the store specifically to look at a Samsung model I had investigated online. The TV was intended to go in my wife's main viewing room and so she had the final judgement on it. She took one look at the TV and didn't care for it, not because the picture was deficient in any way, because the BEZEL AROUND THE SCREEN was a shiny black color. She preferred a MATTE FINISH on that bezel. There was a Sony right next to the Samsung we were looking at. It had a SILVER bezel. She didn't like that either. The pictures on the two were very similar. So we were dissapointed for a bit. Then around the corner on the end of the aisle in the store we found another Sony jsut the same as the one next to the Samsung only with a flat black bezel. It was one of only TWO they had of that model so we snapped it up. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Rocky, > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor > in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. > > All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > Dear Lists: > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at > a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference between LCD and > plasma? ?Which one to get? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:44:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:44:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ad6382b.0702d00a.715f.ffffcd80@mx.google.com> Well, women are well known for their technical prowess, Gary. I asked the woman at work what car she drove and she said a Red One. Max p.s Mine is shiny black - looks great when switched off and you don?t knotice it when turned on. I have a special duster for wiping it to avoid scratches etc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 14 October 2009 21:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Samsung is certainly a well respected brand. It's amazing when you see the wall of TV's in the store how much better some look than others do when they are side by side. Granted ALL those TV's will probably look much better than the TV you already have at home, but if you can get a better picture for similar money, why not. When we bought our 40"LCD we went to the store specifically to look at a Samsung model I had investigated online. The TV was intended to go in my wife's main viewing room and so she had the final judgement on it. She took one look at the TV and didn't care for it, not because the picture was deficient in any way, because the BEZEL AROUND THE SCREEN was a shiny black color. She preferred a MATTE FINISH on that bezel. There was a Sony right next to the Samsung we were looking at. It had a SILVER bezel. She didn't like that either. The pictures on the two were very similar. So we were dissapointed for a bit. Then around the corner on the end of the aisle in the store we found another Sony jsut the same as the one next to the Samsung only with a flat black bezel. It was one of only TWO they had of that model so we snapped it up. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Rocky, > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor > in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. > > All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > Dear Lists: > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at > a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference between LCD and > plasma? ?Which one to get? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Oct 14 15:44:36 2009 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:44:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <93F3C498B4994723A6E56B0BC17A6EEB@jt2c> Samsung definitely make the best screens. We've got a 37" LCD... We went out to look at a Sony, a Panasonic and a Philips. Those three models were next to each other in the shop, and just to the right was this Samsung which blew them all out of the water, AND was around ?100 less... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 14 October 2009 21:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:52:31 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:52:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <55F363E292F24118B95D542CAFE4E956@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <55F363E292F24118B95D542CAFE4E956@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Be sure to look at the PUBLISHED DATE on any information you look at on websites. I found several issues and direct contradictions in the first article that link Jim posted brought up. Looked closer at it I found it was from 2007. Things have changed since then. Unless you plan to buy a 2007 model. ;-) I didn't look at any further of the searches results, the rest could have been more current. Heck maybe you got a different sequence of results than I did even. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Rocky... May I be so bold as to suggest checking out the following: > > http://www.yebol.com/newsearch?key=compare+LCD+and+plasma&t=s&x=0&y=0 > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:10 PM > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > Dear Lists: > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at > a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference between LCD and > plasma? ?Which one to get? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Wed Oct 14 16:08:44 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:08:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> Message-ID: Don't forget to check out LED screens - they use the newer Organic LED technology. Actively emitting light rather than passively blocking the transmission of light (LCD). Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:10 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 14 16:20:53 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:20:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable In-Reply-To: References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com> <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6C51ED15F8F24AC2A3CC9DDC6D8BC304@s1800> <075040AEA0494BC1BD4EBC137D7C3820@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <19F975B099164003BC9B1FEDFD290808@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Lembit: Here is the download link for ISO file: http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48dlt Just install this on your USB stick. If you need a program to do that check out http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable Hey, Jim, that is sure helpfull tia Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Hi Lembit: > > If you need a fully working copy, with networking and backup software ,of > a > Bart's PE image, ready to go, for your USB stick, I can send you link, to > a > prebuilt, so you can download and use it. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > thank you, Jim, > > the second one is the same as what Rocky sent. the first one I need to > find > out what it really is. > > thanks > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lawrence" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > >> Hi Lembit: >> >> Have you looked at: >> http://portableapps.com >> >> and >> >> > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6160062.html?tag=leftCol; >> post-108 >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >> >> >> what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on >> it)? >> I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP >> software >> and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) >> is there some easier way? >> >> thank you >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 14 18:18:45 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 14 18:23:16 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:23:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at night mostly. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 14 19:40:11 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:40:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> Hi Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia thin frame 42" LCD last year and like it a lot. I had intentions of buying a Samsung as their LCD technology is supposed to be the best but all of their sets had a shiny frame, wider around the screen. The Sony was the only one with then thinner frame option (albeit only in the top two most expensive models of Bravia). I had a chance to see them both on display next to umpteen other brands and I couldn't tell the difference between the Sony and the Samsung so the frame won the day. Obviously because it was one of the more expensive Sony Models it had all kinds of added bells and whistles too but I don't use those much. Also some of the LCD TVs now have a rather shiny surface on them and given the light coming in from every direction in our living room I think it would have been as distracting as a plasma TV (which were all glass covered and shiny surfaced). I guess in the end absolute best picture wasn't the biggest factor in our purchase because if the shiny frame or surface distracts from the picture then is it really the absolute best? Best of luck! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at night mostly. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Dear Lists: I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 14 20:17:39 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> Message-ID: <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> Rocky, I ran up against the shiny issue with the Samsungs, but in each size range there are different types of screen finishes. My TV (LN52A530): http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52B530-52-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001U3Y8P4/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255568591&sr=8-1 has a matte finish on the screen. I wanted this because I have windows on the opposite side of the room from the TV. Supposedly, the matte finish causes a lessening of the contrast ration. I do not notice a problem with shiny bezel. I had a little bit different experience while looking for TVs. I originally was going for a Sony Bravia. But at Best Buy (and a few other stores), the Samsungs had a better picture to me. I do not think that you would go wrong with either one of the Sonys or Samsungs. Check them out and decide for yourself. Just remember that there are many models for a given size and brand. One thing to make sure of is that it has enough inputs (HDMI, component, etc.) for your needs. I would also look into the 120Hz over the 60Hz models. As for the 240Hz, I am not sure they are worth the extra models. As for the plasmas, I feel that generally, they are on the way out. The thinness of the TV was not important to me as I have the TV in a built-in area on a stand and can only view the TV from the front. The LED back-lit TVS will give you the thinnest TVs. But I do not know a whole bunch about them as I could not see paying the (to me) very high premium for the LED TVs over the LCS tvs. I have Time Warner cable and hooking the TV up to the HD cable box has a beautiful picture that really seems to have a 3d look to it. I love it! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Hi Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia thin frame 42" LCD last year and like it a lot. I had intentions of buying a Samsung as their LCD technology is supposed to be the best but all of their sets had a shiny frame, wider around the screen. The Sony was the only one with then thinner frame option (albeit only in the top two most expensive models of Bravia). I had a chance to see them both on display next to umpteen other brands and I couldn't tell the difference between the Sony and the Samsung so the frame won the day. Obviously because it was one of the more expensive Sony Models it had all kinds of added bells and whistles too but I don't use those much. Also some of the LCD TVs now have a rather shiny surface on them and given the light coming in from every direction in our living room I think it would have been as distracting as a plasma TV (which were all glass covered and shiny surfaced). I guess in the end absolute best picture wasn't the biggest factor in our purchase because if the shiny frame or surface distracts from the picture then is it really the absolute best? Best of luck! John B. From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 14 20:21:27 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:21:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001c01ca4d35$d1888130$74998390$@rr.com> In addition, my TV's retail price has dropped by about $500. I got a good deal on the TV when I got it for $1500. The Amazon price is pretty good. Bobby From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 14 20:44:02 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:44:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> Message-ID: <04A744645D294C62A79CAA96F357DBF6@HAL9005> 120Hz over the 60Hz What's that referring to - refresh rate? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I ran up against the shiny issue with the Samsungs, but in each size range there are different types of screen finishes. My TV (LN52A530): http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52B530-52-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001U3Y8P4/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255568591&sr=8-1 has a matte finish on the screen. I wanted this because I have windows on the opposite side of the room from the TV. Supposedly, the matte finish causes a lessening of the contrast ration. I do not notice a problem with shiny bezel. I had a little bit different experience while looking for TVs. I originally was going for a Sony Bravia. But at Best Buy (and a few other stores), the Samsungs had a better picture to me. I do not think that you would go wrong with either one of the Sonys or Samsungs. Check them out and decide for yourself. Just remember that there are many models for a given size and brand. One thing to make sure of is that it has enough inputs (HDMI, component, etc.) for your needs. I would also look into the 120Hz over the 60Hz models. As for the 240Hz, I am not sure they are worth the extra models. As for the plasmas, I feel that generally, they are on the way out. The thinness of the TV was not important to me as I have the TV in a built-in area on a stand and can only view the TV from the front. The LED back-lit TVS will give you the thinnest TVs. But I do not know a whole bunch about them as I could not see paying the (to me) very high premium for the LED TVs over the LCS tvs. I have Time Warner cable and hooking the TV up to the HD cable box has a beautiful picture that really seems to have a 3d look to it. I love it! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Hi Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia thin frame 42" LCD last year and like it a lot. I had intentions of buying a Samsung as their LCD technology is supposed to be the best but all of their sets had a shiny frame, wider around the screen. The Sony was the only one with then thinner frame option (albeit only in the top two most expensive models of Bravia). I had a chance to see them both on display next to umpteen other brands and I couldn't tell the difference between the Sony and the Samsung so the frame won the day. Obviously because it was one of the more expensive Sony Models it had all kinds of added bells and whistles too but I don't use those much. Also some of the LCD TVs now have a rather shiny surface on them and given the light coming in from every direction in our living room I think it would have been as distracting as a plasma TV (which were all glass covered and shiny surfaced). I guess in the end absolute best picture wasn't the biggest factor in our purchase because if the shiny frame or surface distracts from the picture then is it really the absolute best? Best of luck! John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 14 21:04:03 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:04:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <04A744645D294C62A79CAA96F357DBF6@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net> <001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> <04A744645D294C62A79CAA96F357DBF6@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002201ca4d3b$c4cc4110$4e64c330$@rr.com> Yes, it is the refresh rate. It helps reduce stutter (well, that's what I call it). It is when a fast moving object ghosts as it moves. On my TV, the circuitry to reduce this stutter only happens when connected via HDMI. Although I rarely saw it via component cable before my HDMI cables came in. But when you do see it, you'll know it. I noticed a difference after moving from component to HDMI. BTW, monoprice.com has great prices on cables and such. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma 120Hz over the 60Hz What's that referring to - refresh rate? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, I ran up against the shiny issue with the Samsungs, but in each size range there are different types of screen finishes. My TV (LN52A530): http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52B530-52-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001U3Y8P4/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255568591&sr=8-1 has a matte finish on the screen. I wanted this because I have windows on the opposite side of the room from the TV. Supposedly, the matte finish causes a lessening of the contrast ration. I do not notice a problem with shiny bezel. I had a little bit different experience while looking for TVs. I originally was going for a Sony Bravia. But at Best Buy (and a few other stores), the Samsungs had a better picture to me. I do not think that you would go wrong with either one of the Sonys or Samsungs. Check them out and decide for yourself. Just remember that there are many models for a given size and brand. One thing to make sure of is that it has enough inputs (HDMI, component, etc.) for your needs. I would also look into the 120Hz over the 60Hz models. As for the 240Hz, I am not sure they are worth the extra models. As for the plasmas, I feel that generally, they are on the way out. The thinness of the TV was not important to me as I have the TV in a built-in area on a stand and can only view the TV from the front. The LED back-lit TVS will give you the thinnest TVs. But I do not know a whole bunch about them as I could not see paying the (to me) very high premium for the LED TVs over the LCS tvs. I have Time Warner cable and hooking the TV up to the HD cable box has a beautiful picture that really seems to have a 3d look to it. I love it! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma Hi Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia thin frame 42" LCD last year and like it a lot. I had intentions of buying a Samsung as their LCD technology is supposed to be the best but all of their sets had a shiny frame, wider around the screen. The Sony was the only one with then thinner frame option (albeit only in the top two most expensive models of Bravia). I had a chance to see them both on display next to umpteen other brands and I couldn't tell the difference between the Sony and the Samsung so the frame won the day. Obviously because it was one of the more expensive Sony Models it had all kinds of added bells and whistles too but I don't use those much. Also some of the LCD TVs now have a rather shiny surface on them and given the light coming in from every direction in our living room I think it would have been as distracting as a plasma TV (which were all glass covered and shiny surfaced). I guess in the end absolute best picture wasn't the biggest factor in our purchase because if the shiny frame or surface distracts from the picture then is it really the absolute best? Best of luck! John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 14 22:42:07 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:42:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a slight edge in our unofficial poll. Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's up with that? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM To: Off Topic Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, evidently. Alice > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at night mostly. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > Wanadoo > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > Rocky, > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is faster. > > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > Dear Lists: > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 04:17:54 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hello Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, it is not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for watching webcasts or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently switch the youtube feed to full screen on the tv, which is really cool. I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all while sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press pause with a wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male cable plugged into the back of the TV. It also has an audio out connector, so I use an Arcam high quality audio amplifier and a pair of large heavy speakers as the audio output. It has a software controlled ability to disable the onboard speakers, so the sound is slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off the amp, or have to fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv through the amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, Digital TV, or BlueRay. The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. HTH, Mark 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a > slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - > flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's > up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice > > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. > > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in > > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at > night mostly. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Wanadoo > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Rocky, > > > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. > > > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a > > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. > > > > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. > > > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > > To: 'Off Topic'; List > > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Dear Lists: > > > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. > > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference > > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 04:49:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:49:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: Mark, I do the same but I used the HDMI connection. I also have it set up so that my PC *sees* two monitors, I use the 2nd monitor for the internet stuff, browsers etc and the PC monitor for my emails, DB etc, Works brilliantly and the color/contrast sheer beauty of the 50" plasma Samsung is beyond this world. max On 15/10/2009, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Rocky, > I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, it is > not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for watching webcasts > or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently switch the youtube feed to > full screen on the tv, which is really cool. > > I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all while > sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press pause with a > wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male cable plugged into > the back of the TV. It also has an audio out connector, so I use an Arcam > high quality audio amplifier and a pair of large heavy speakers as the audio > output. It has a software controlled ability to disable the onboard > speakers, so the sound is slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off the > amp, or have to fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv > through the amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, > Digital TV, or BlueRay. > > The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. > > HTH, > > Mark > > > > 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - >> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's >> up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >> > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at >> night mostly. >> > >> > R >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> > >> > Bobby >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> > Wanadoo >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Rocky, >> > >> > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> > >> > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> faster. >> > >> > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> > >> > Max >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> > Smolin >> > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> > To: 'Off Topic'; List >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Dear Lists: >> > >> > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> > >> > TIA >> > >> > Rocky >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-OT mailing list >> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 15 06:00:33 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:00:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide view. :-) T Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a > slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - > flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice > >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at >> > night mostly. > >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> > faster. > >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 06:07:19 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:07:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the remote. wide or normal, your choice! On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because > he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts > the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the topic > or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide view. :-) > T > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - >> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's >> up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >> >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at >>> >> night mostly. >> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >>> >> faster. >> >>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Oct 15 06:10:32 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: My Samsung is cleverer than that... It can tell from the broadcast what it's supposed to be showing and automagically shows it in the best format. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the remote. wide or normal, your choice! On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because > he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts > the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the > topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide > view. :-) T > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >> Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >> >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >>> watch at >>> >> night mostly. >> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>> is >>> >> faster. >> >>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 06:17:10 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:17:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: oh yeah, forgot that, Jon. Mine also :- 1. Makes coffee with two headache pills or 2. Pours a glass of wine depending on my mood - assessed by the current health of my Tamagotchi. Clever things these Samsugs. I am teaching mine to program. Max On 15/10/2009, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > My Samsung is cleverer than that... It can tell from the broadcast what it's > supposed to be showing and automagically shows it in the best format. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the remote. > wide or normal, your choice! > > On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: >> That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because >> he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts >> the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the >> topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide >> view. :-) T >> >> Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >>> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>> screen. What's up with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>> Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>> >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >>>> watch at >>>> >>> night mostly. >>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>> Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>> is >>>> >>> faster. >>> >>>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and > privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than > the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in > error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 15 06:50:27 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:50:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4AD70C83.5010004@torchlake.com> Yeah, that's pretty much how I do it, too - the menu is on-screen. T Max Wanadoo wrote: > yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the > remote. wide or normal, your choice! > > On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because >> he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts >> the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the topic >> or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide view. :-) >> T >> >> Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >>> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - >>> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's >>> up >>> with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, >>> evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>> >>> >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at >>>> >>>> >>> night mostly. >>> >>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >>>> >>>> >>> faster. >>> >>> >>>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Oct 15 06:51:24 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:51:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4AD70CBC.5060601@torchlake.com> Max, Let me know how the programming goes. :-) T Max Wanadoo wrote: > oh yeah, forgot that, Jon. > > Mine also :- > > 1. Makes coffee with two headache pills or > 2. Pours a glass of wine > > depending on my mood - assessed by the current health of my Tamagotchi. > > Clever things these Samsugs. I am teaching mine to program. > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > >> My Samsung is cleverer than that... It can tell from the broadcast what it's >> supposed to be showing and automagically shows it in the best format. >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:07 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma >> >> yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the remote. >> wide or normal, your choice! >> >> On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: >> >>> That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because >>> he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts >>> the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the >>> topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide >>> view. :-) T >>> >>> Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> >>>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >>>> >>>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >>>> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>>> >>>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>>> screen. What's up with that? >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>>> Whalen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>>> To: Off Topic >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>>> drawbacks, evidently. >>>> >>>> Alice >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >>>>> watch at >>>>> >>>>> >>>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>>> Heid >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>> >>>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>>>> >>>>> Bobby >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>>> Wanadoo >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>> >>>>> Rocky, >>>>> >>>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>>>> >>>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> >>>> faster. >>>> >>>> >>>>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>>>> >>>>> Max >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>>> Smolin >>>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>> >>>>> Dear Lists: >>>>> >>>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>>>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and >> privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than >> the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in >> error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from >> your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 06:54:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:54:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4AD70CBC.5060601@torchlake.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> <4AD70CBC.5060601@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I told it C# and it started singing in Soprano! Back to the drawing board. max On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Max, > Let me know how the programming goes. :-) > T > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> oh yeah, forgot that, Jon. >> >> Mine also :- >> >> 1. Makes coffee with two headache pills or >> 2. Pours a glass of wine >> >> depending on my mood - assessed by the current health of my Tamagotchi. >> >> Clever things these Samsugs. I am teaching mine to program. >> >> Max >> >> >> On 15/10/2009, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: >> >>> My Samsung is cleverer than that... It can tell from the broadcast what >>> it's >>> supposed to be showing and automagically shows it in the best format. >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:07 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the >>> remote. >>> wide or normal, your choice! >>> >>> On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: >>> >>>> That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because >>>> he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts >>>> the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the >>>> topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide >>>> view. :-) T >>>> >>>> Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >>>>> >>>>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >>>>> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>>>> >>>>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>>>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>>>> screen. What's up with that? >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>>>> Whalen >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>>>> To: Off Topic >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>> >>>>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>>>> drawbacks, evidently. >>>>> >>>>> Alice >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>>>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >>>>>> watch at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> night mostly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>>>> Heid >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months >>>>>> now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobby >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>>>> Wanadoo >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>>> >>>>>> Rocky, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>>>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>>>>> >>>>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> faster. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>>>>> >>>>>> Max >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>>>> Smolin >>>>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Lists: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>>>>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> Rocky >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential >>> and >>> privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than >>> the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in >>> error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from >>> your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Thu Oct 15 06:55:00 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:55:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> I have now gone through this exercise. everything was as expected, except for the last step, where the BartPE has to be put on the stick with the command pe2usb -f d: here it tells me the stick is too big (it is 16 G) and it is FAT32 and it cannot be formated to FAT or FAT16 also, when I try to format it in explorer, it only allows FAT32 now what? any idea? Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > > what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? > I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP > software > and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is > there some easier way? > > thank you > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Oct 15 07:00:14 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:00:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail In-Reply-To: <4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> <4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> Message-ID: Hi Lembit If you go to Device Manager, then find the disk drive under "disk drives", right click on it and go to properties, then choose the Policies tab, and maksure that "Optimise for performance" is selected, rather than "optimise for quick removal". That will let you format as NTFS. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail I have now gone through this exercise. everything was as expected, except for the last step, where the BartPE has to be put on the stick with the command pe2usb -f d: here it tells me the stick is too big (it is 16 G) and it is FAT32 and it cannot be formated to FAT or FAT16 also, when I try to format it in explorer, it only allows FAT32 now what? any idea? Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > > what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on it)? > I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP > software > and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is > there some easier way? > > thank you > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 08:25:55 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:25:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: So you connect the VGA input on the TV to the external VGA port on the laptop? My old laptop had an S-Video port which was cool because I could use my big TV as a monitor. My new laptop doesn't have that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Hello Rocky, I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, it is not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for watching webcasts or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently switch the youtube feed to full screen on the tv, which is really cool. I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all while sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press pause with a wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male cable plugged into the back of the TV. It also has an audio out connector, so I use an Arcam high quality audio amplifier and a pair of large heavy speakers as the audio output. It has a software controlled ability to disable the onboard speakers, so the sound is slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off the amp, or have to fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv through the amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, Digital TV, or BlueRay. The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. HTH, Mark 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > drawbacks, evidently. > > Alice > > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. > > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in > > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd > > watch at > night mostly. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby > > Heid > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Wanadoo > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Rocky, > > > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. > > > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a > > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which > > is > faster. > > > > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. > > > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > > To: 'Off Topic'; List > > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Dear Lists: > > > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. > > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference > > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:29:04 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:29:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: I bet it has a HDMI. Have you looked. New TVs have them too. Ma On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So you connect the VGA input on the TV to the external VGA port on the > laptop? > > My old laptop had an S-Video port which was cool because I could use my big > TV as a monitor. My new laptop doesn't have that. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:18 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Hello Rocky, > I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, it is > not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for watching webcasts > or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently switch the youtube feed to > full screen on the tv, which is really cool. > > I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all while > sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press pause with a > wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male cable plugged into > the back of the TV. It also has an audio out connector, so I use an Arcam > high quality audio amplifier and a pair of large heavy speakers as the audio > output. It has a software controlled ability to disable the onboard > speakers, so the sound is slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off the > amp, or have to fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv > through the amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, > Digital TV, or BlueRay. > > The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. > > HTH, > > Mark > > > > 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >> > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >> > watch at >> night mostly. >> > >> > R >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> > Heid >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> > >> > Bobby >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> > Wanadoo >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Rocky, >> > >> > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> > >> > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >> > is >> faster. >> > >> > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> > >> > Max >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> > Smolin >> > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> > To: 'Off Topic'; List >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Dear Lists: >> > >> > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> > >> > TIA >> > >> > Rocky >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-OT mailing list >> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 08:35:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:35:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <7507B1B0856E4746862083E6DF0226F8@HAL9005> What does it look like? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I bet it has a HDMI. Have you looked. New TVs have them too. Ma On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So you connect the VGA input on the TV to the external VGA port on the > laptop? > > My old laptop had an S-Video port which was cool because I could use > my big TV as a monitor. My new laptop doesn't have that. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:18 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Hello Rocky, > I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, > it is not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for > watching webcasts or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently > switch the youtube feed to full screen on the tv, which is really cool. > > I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all > while sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press > pause with a wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male > cable plugged into the back of the TV. It also has an audio out > connector, so I use an Arcam high quality audio amplifier and a pair > of large heavy speakers as the audio output. It has a software > controlled ability to disable the onboard speakers, so the sound is > slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off the amp, or have to > fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv through the > amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, Digital TV, or BlueRay. > > The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. > > HTH, > > Mark > > > > 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >> Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >> > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright >> > in the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >> > watch at >> night mostly. >> > >> > R >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> > Heid >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> > >> > Bobby >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> > Wanadoo >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Rocky, >> > >> > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> > >> > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >> > is >> faster. >> > >> > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> > >> > Max >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> > Smolin >> > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> > To: 'Off Topic'; List >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> > >> > Dear Lists: >> > >> > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> > >> > TIA >> > >> > Rocky >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-OT mailing list >> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Thu Oct 15 08:37:55 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:55 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail References: <4acf242e.0baa660a.1502.ffff9bf2@mx.google.com><3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com><435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005><4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> Message-ID: <9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> Thank you, Jon, wow, there they hide format options. Now I formatted it w. NTFS and then ran the pe2usb without the -f, so it would not try to format it with FAT. this worked for transfer, and it shows that it has MBR, but it won't boot, although I can set the bios to boot from it. So now I'm installing WinXP on it. curious whether that will work Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail > Hi Lembit > > If you go to Device Manager, then find the disk drive under "disk drives", > right click on it and go to properties, then choose the Policies tab, and > maksure that "Optimise for performance" is selected, rather than "optimise > for quick removal". That will let you format as NTFS. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail > > I have now gone through this exercise. > everything was as expected, except for the last step, where the BartPE has > to be put on the stick with the command > > pe2usb -f d: > > here it tells me the stick is too big (it is 16 G) and it is FAT32 and it > cannot be formated to FAT or FAT16 > > also, when I try to format it in explorer, it only allows FAT32 > > now what? any idea? > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable > > >> Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >> >> >> what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on >> it)? >> I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP >> software >> and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is >> there some easier way? >> >> thank you >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this > transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete > the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:11:20 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:11:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a > slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - > flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. ?What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:17:19 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:17:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have not seen before " If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? Max On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format > content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or > satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use > cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I > tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting > events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to > resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that > they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to > go back to "regular" TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same > size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that > match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in > the same size screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the > other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need > to decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray > DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that > you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P > because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the > difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P > picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in > 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively > expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a > decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should > find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a > screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on > either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with > weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you > don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at > those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using > the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy > surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, > reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - >> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. ?What's >> up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:18:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:18:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: I agree with Gary. Get the biggest you can afford. Get surround sound for that "great experience" or put good quality ear phones on (I use wireless ones) so that I dont distrub the neighbours. I can then pop to the loo without missing a word said...great stuff! max On 15/10/2009, Max Wanadoo wrote: > sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have > not seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use >> cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I >> tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting >> events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to >> resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that >> they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to >> go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that >> match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in >> the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need >> to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P >> because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the >> difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P >> picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in >> 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively >> expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a >> decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should >> find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a >> screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on >> either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with >> weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >>> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt >>> - >>> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. >>> ?What's >>> up >>> with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, >>> evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >>>> at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:24:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:24:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail In-Reply-To: <9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> References: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> <4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> <9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> Message-ID: Lembit, when you get this working, any chance of posting exactly how it is done. I would like to do this with XP and Vista and Win7 (evenutally) max On 15/10/2009, Lembit Soobik wrote: > Thank you, Jon, > wow, there they hide format options. > Now I formatted it w. NTFS and then ran the pe2usb without the -f, so it > would not try to format it with FAT. > this worked for transfer, and it shows that it has MBR, but it won't boot, > although I can set the bios to boot from it. > So now I'm installing WinXP on it. > curious whether that will work > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail > > >> Hi Lembit >> >> If you go to Device Manager, then find the disk drive under "disk drives", >> >> right click on it and go to properties, then choose the Policies tab, and >> maksure that "Optimise for performance" is selected, rather than "optimise >> >> for quick removal". That will let you format as NTFS. >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:55 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail >> >> I have now gone through this exercise. >> everything was as expected, except for the last step, where the BartPE has >> >> to be put on the stick with the command >> >> pe2usb -f d: >> >> here it tells me the stick is too big (it is 16 G) and it is FAT32 and it >> cannot be formated to FAT or FAT16 >> >> also, when I try to format it in explorer, it only allows FAT32 >> >> now what? any idea? >> >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rocky Smolin" >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >> >> >>> Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >>> >>> >>> what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on >>> it)? >>> I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP >>> software >>> and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) is >>> there some easier way? >>> >>> thank you >>> Lembit >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential >> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities >> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this >> transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete >> the material from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 09:40:21 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:40:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> Good info. My biggest problem with the whole idea is how little we currently watch TV. I would say we average maybe 1 hour a day. I don't count watching the news while I'm making dinner. The mute is on during the commercials and because I'm busy at the stove I miss about 1/2 the news anyway. And we have 4 TVs. The one in the bedroom is virtually never used. The one in my office hardly ever. The main box right now is a 32". 19" high. So is the 16:9 stuff all HD? I haven't even looked at how much of our cable stuff is HD. So a 50" diagonal would be about 28" high? The current one I ran the sound out to the stereo (which is hardly used either) but it was a PITA having the extra remote for the sound. I suppose a newer TV will have a more universal remote which could run the stereo as well. So the current spec is 1080p, 120Hz, LCD. Size - TBD. Vendor - Sony and Samsung. Maybe I should just lay down until the feeling passes. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. ?What's up with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > drawbacks, evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:49:09 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:49:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> Message-ID: while your lying down, watch telly..... On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Good info. My biggest problem with the whole idea is how little we > currently watch TV. I would say we average maybe 1 hour a day. I don't > count watching the news while I'm making dinner. The mute is on during the > commercials and because I'm busy at the stove I miss about 1/2 the news > anyway. And we have 4 TVs. The one in the bedroom is virtually never used. > The one in my office hardly ever. > > The main box right now is a 32". 19" high. So is the 16:9 stuff all HD? I > haven't even looked at how much of our cable stuff is HD. So a 50" diagonal > would be about 28" high? > > The current one I ran the sound out to the stereo (which is hardly used > either) but it was a PITA having the extra remote for the sound. I suppose a > newer TV will have a more universal remote which could run the stereo as > well. > > So the current spec is 1080p, 120Hz, LCD. Size - TBD. Vendor - Sony and > Samsung. > > Maybe I should just lay down until the feeling passes. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:11 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for > the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or > watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable > and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to > stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - > Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to > narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this > year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" > TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size > screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the > movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size > screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. > First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to > decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you > should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now > anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told > that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and > 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as > that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was > out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so > that probably won't be a decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find > out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at > least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the > most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger > IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't > have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well > when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with > the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for > your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good > stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. ?What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >>> at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Thu Oct 15 09:39:23 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:39:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail References: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com><435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005><4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800><9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> Message-ID: right now it has screwed up the winxp on the original HD. it went through the install (from a slipstreamed winXP sp3 to the usbStick, but at the second reboot it would not start win again. not with or without the stick. tells me now it is missing a filed named hal.dll in windows\system32 trying to get that with an Acronis boot disk Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail > Lembit, when you get this working, any chance of posting exactly how > it is done. I would like to do this with XP and Vista and Win7 > (evenutally) > max > > > On 15/10/2009, Lembit Soobik wrote: >> Thank you, Jon, >> wow, there they hide format options. >> Now I formatted it w. NTFS and then ran the pe2usb without the -f, so it >> would not try to format it with FAT. >> this worked for transfer, and it shows that it has MBR, but it won't >> boot, >> although I can set the bios to boot from it. >> So now I'm installing WinXP on it. >> curious whether that will work >> >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail >> >> >>> Hi Lembit >>> >>> If you go to Device Manager, then find the disk drive under "disk >>> drives", >>> >>> right click on it and go to properties, then choose the Policies tab, >>> and >>> maksure that "Optimise for performance" is selected, rather than >>> "optimise >>> >>> for quick removal". That will let you format as NTFS. >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >>> Soobik >>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:55 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - 1st fail >>> >>> I have now gone through this exercise. >>> everything was as expected, except for the last step, where the BartPE >>> has >>> >>> to be put on the stick with the command >>> >>> pe2usb -f d: >>> >>> here it tells me the stick is too big (it is 16 G) and it is FAT32 and >>> it >>> cannot be formated to FAT or FAT16 >>> >>> also, when I try to format it in explorer, it only allows FAT32 >>> >>> now what? any idea? >>> >>> Lembit >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rocky Smolin" >>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >>> >>> >>>> Check this out - #2: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=931 >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >>>> Soobik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable >>>> >>>> >>>> what's the easiest way to make an USB-stick bootable (to put WinXP on >>>> it)? >>>> I have found a website which seems pretty complicated, using an HP >>>> software >>>> and pulling some files from a win server sp1 and cooking it all ... :) >>>> is >>>> there some easier way? >>>> >>>> thank you >>>> Lembit >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential >>> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities >>> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this >>> transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete >>> the material from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:57:42 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:57:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> Message-ID: Yeah, most of the new equipment includes a universal remote that will run other stuff. With our cable system we have to pay extra for HD service. I think the broadcast channels are still available in HD regardless but you don't get the other HD channels unless you subscribe. You nedd to stop trying to cost justify the purchase. It doesn't matter that you only watch one hour per day. So one hour per day is still 7 hours per WEEK. That should be the best experience it can be shouldn't it? ;-) I think you are probably thinking that you don't WANT TO watch more TV either right? Having a good setup won't MAKE YOU watch more TV, it will just allow you to enjoy the time you do spend watching it more. Unless your stereo can do 5.1 surround or better you should consider replacing it too. Really. The rear channels make a HUGE difference. The Center Channel makes a huge difference too. The Subwoofer is dramatic but not as big of a deal as the center and rear channels are in my opinion. My receiver is the hub of my system. Everything feeds into the receiver and the switching between content is done there. I also have a universal remote but it's not one I got with any of my devices, it's a seperate unit. It is programable through a USB connection on a PC, so you select all the devices you need to control on the PC and then download those settings to the remote. Works much slicker than trying to set code numbers in remotes. When you watch some concert DVD's with the surround system working you will understand. Granted, for watching the news - especially since you are not really watching the news - it would seem to not make much difference. I do enjoy having our local news in HD myself. I've kind of become an HD snob though too. I'd rather watch ANYTHING in HD rather than ANYTHING ELSE not in HD. GK On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Good info. ?My biggest problem with the whole idea is how little we > currently watch TV. ?I would say we average maybe 1 hour a day. I don't > count watching the news while I'm making dinner. ?The mute is on during the > commercials and because I'm busy at the stove I miss about 1/2 the news > anyway. ?And we have 4 TVs. ?The one in the bedroom is virtually never used. > The one in my office hardly ever. > > The main box right now is a 32". ?19" high. ?So is the 16:9 stuff all HD? ?I > haven't even looked at how much of our cable stuff is HD. ?So a 50" diagonal > would be about 28" high? > > The current one I ran the sound out to the stereo (which is hardly used > either) but it was a PITA having the extra remote for the sound. I suppose a > newer TV will have a more universal remote which could run the stereo as > well. > > So the current spec is 1080p, 120Hz, LCD. ?Size - TBD. ?Vendor - Sony and > Samsung. > > Maybe I should just lay down until the feeling passes. > > R > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 10:22:29 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:22:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> Don't think I've got it. It's a Dell Inspiron 1545 - 3 USBs, VGA, Ethernet, SD MMC slot, mike and headphone holes - that's all. I paid $430 for it on sale from Dell. So I'm not complaining. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have not seen before " If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? Max On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format > content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or > satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use > cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I > tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting > events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to > resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that > they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to > go back to "regular" TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same > size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that > match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in > the same size screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the > other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need > to decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray > DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that > you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P > because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the > difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P > picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in > 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively > expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a > decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should > find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a > screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on > either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with > weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you > don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at > those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using > the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy > surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, > reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. ?What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >> Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>> watch at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>> is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 10:30:45 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:30:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> Message-ID: VGA will convert to HDMI. You just need a converter cable http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-VGA-HD15-Male-Cable/dp/B001OLCHJ6 GK On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Don't think I've got it. ?It's a Dell Inspiron 1545 - 3 USBs, VGA, Ethernet, > SD MMC slot, mike and headphone holes - that's all. I paid $430 for it on > sale from Dell. ?So I'm not complaining. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > sorta "D" shaped. ?Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have not > seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! ?Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use >> cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I >> tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting >> events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to >> resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that >> they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to >> go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that >> match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in >> the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) ?Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need >> to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P >> because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the >> difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P >> picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in >> 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively >> expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a >> decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? ?I would say you should >> find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a >> screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on >> either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with >> weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... ?If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >>> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>> screen. ?What's up with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>> Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>>> watch at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>> Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>> is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 10:33:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:33:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> Message-ID: Well, that apart, you will still enjoy it purely as a TV. I have to say that there are days when I never even turn the TV on. But when I do, I enjoy something I never had before in any TV. Bigger IS better. IMO of course. It most certainly will have an HMDI and will be there waiting for you when you upgrade the Laptop. There is a cable-len limitations on the HDMI cable - I think it is a couple of metres or thereabouts. max On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Don't think I've got it. It's a Dell Inspiron 1545 - 3 USBs, VGA, Ethernet, > SD MMC slot, mike and headphone holes - that's all. I paid $430 for it on > sale from Dell. So I'm not complaining. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have not > seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use >> cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I >> tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting >> events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to >> resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that >> they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to >> go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that >> match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in >> the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need >> to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P >> because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the >> difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P >> picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in >> 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively >> expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a >> decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should >> find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a >> screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on >> either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with >> weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >>> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>> screen. ?What's up with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>> Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>>> watch at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>> Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>> is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 10:45:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:45:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> Message-ID: Oh, cool. So all I need now is a TV with HDMI input. Hmmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma VGA will convert to HDMI. You just need a converter cable http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-VGA-HD15-Male-Cable/dp/B001OLCHJ6 GK On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Don't think I've got it. ?It's a Dell Inspiron 1545 - 3 USBs, VGA, > Ethernet, SD MMC slot, mike and headphone holes - that's all. I paid > $430 for it on sale from Dell. ?So I'm not complaining. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > Wanadoo > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > sorta "D" shaped. ?Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have > not seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! ?Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I >> use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels >> and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some >> sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I >> still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I >> am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content >> you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" >> that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit >> cheaper in the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) ?Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't >> need to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with >> 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell >> the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the >> 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was >> availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was >> prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that >> probably won't be a decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? ?I would say you >> should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that >> has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol >> numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of >> us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... ?If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to >>> have a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>> screen. ?What's up with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>> Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright >>>> in the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>>> watch at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>> Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>> is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 15 10:46:37 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:46:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><4887CAC1BE9F49D9B57A01D399421B20@HAL9005> Message-ID: We have TIVO and they've got all sorts of stuff about lacing your PC and internet into the TIVO but I never paid much attention to it. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Well, that apart, you will still enjoy it purely as a TV. I have to say that there are days when I never even turn the TV on. But when I do, I enjoy something I never had before in any TV. Bigger IS better. IMO of course. It most certainly will have an HMDI and will be there waiting for you when you upgrade the Laptop. There is a cable-len limitations on the HDMI cable - I think it is a couple of metres or thereabouts. max On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Don't think I've got it. It's a Dell Inspiron 1545 - 3 USBs, VGA, > Ethernet, SD MMC slot, mike and headphone holes - that's all. I paid > $430 for it on sale from Dell. So I'm not complaining. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > Wanadoo > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have > not seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I >> use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels >> and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some >> sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I >> still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I >> am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content >> you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" >> that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit >> cheaper in the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't >> need to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with >> 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell >> the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the >> 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was >> availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was >> prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that >> probably won't be a decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you >> should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that >> has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol >> numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of >> us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to >>> have a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >>> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >>> screen. ?What's up with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >>> Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright >>>> in the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>>> watch at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>>> Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>>> is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 13:18:34 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Kellogs down under In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad7678d.09cc660a.718a.1bc4@mx.google.com> http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,26213432-5014239,00.html Oz first again. Max From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 15 14:58:18 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:58:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Kellogs down under In-Reply-To: <4ad7678d.09cc660a.718a.1bc4@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4ad7678d.09cc660a.718a.1bc4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <82E42D42F44B46C5A045021D585F53F1@creativesystemdesigns.com> We are not in Kansas any more. It just goes to prove that technology does not have to be useful. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Kellogs down under http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,26213432-5014239,00.html Oz first again. Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 02:59:34 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:59:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hello Max, I have a machine with a HDMI so I am now excited to check that out, as I mentioned, the VGA was Ok for watching youtube, but it was too tiring on the eyes to use as a browser. I will let you all know, Yours Excitedly Mark 2009/10/15 Max Wanadoo > I bet it has a HDMI. Have you looked. New TVs have them too. > Ma > > > On 15/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > So you connect the VGA input on the TV to the external VGA port on the > > laptop? > > > > My old laptop had an S-Video port which was cool because I could use my > big > > TV as a monitor. My new laptop doesn't have that. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:18 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Hello Rocky, > > I bought a Sony Bravia last year and it has a VGA input on the back, it > is > > not great for browsing the internet, but it is great for watching > webcasts > > or youtube. The PC / TV seems to intelligently switch the youtube feed > to > > full screen on the tv, which is really cool. > > > > I recently watched a series of DotNetNuke videos from my laptop all while > > sitting on the sofa, relaxing and still being able to press pause with a > > wireless kbd and mouse. I just have a VGA male to male cable plugged > into > > the back of the TV. It also has an audio out connector, so I use an > Arcam > > high quality audio amplifier and a pair of large heavy speakers as the > audio > > output. It has a software controlled ability to disable the onboard > > speakers, so the sound is slick, but best of all, I never ever turn off > the > > amp, or have to fiddle with the controls as I play the output from the tv > > through the amp, regardless of whether that output originates in VHS, > > Digital TV, or BlueRay. > > > > The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. > > > > HTH, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > > > >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > >> > >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > >> > >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > >> screen. What's up with that? > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > >> To: Off Topic > >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > >> > >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > >> drawbacks, evidently. > >> > >> Alice > >> > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. > >> > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in > >> > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd > >> > watch at > >> night mostly. > >> > > >> > R > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby > >> > Heid > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM > >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > >> > > >> > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months > now. > >> > > >> > Bobby > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > >> > Wanadoo > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM > >> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > >> > > >> > Rocky, > >> > > >> > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > >> > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. > >> > > >> > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a > >> > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which > >> > is > >> faster. > >> > > >> > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. > >> > > >> > Max > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > >> > Smolin > >> > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > >> > To: 'Off Topic'; List > >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > >> > > >> > Dear Lists: > >> > > >> > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. > >> > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference > >> > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? > >> > > >> > TIA > >> > > >> > Rocky > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-OT mailing list > >> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-OT mailing list > >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 06:21:14 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:21:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote Backup Storage Message-ID: Hi guys, Does anybody have any recommendations for remote sites for backups, preferrably FREE of course. I would like to be able to upload our systems database etc, everynight as part of our Disaster Recovery Plan. Thanks Max From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 16 07:17:22 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:17:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote Backup Storage Message-ID: Hi Max Jungle Disk who uses Amazon as "media", thus not free but _very_ cheap. http://www.jungledisk.com/ Highly recommended. Or zip the database files and attach them to an e-mail you send to an GMail account of yours for the purpose (free). /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-10-2009 13:21 >>> Hi guys, Does anybody have any recommendations for remote sites for backups, preferrably FREE of course. I would like to be able to upload our systems database etc, everynight as part of our Disaster Recovery Plan. Thanks Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:52:59 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:52:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote Backup Storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gustav, The Google option was very good lateral thinking. The limitations are too small for my needs but worth remembering for smaller DBs. The other one I will look into. Cheers Max On 16/10/2009, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Max > > Jungle Disk who uses Amazon as "media", thus not free but _very_ cheap. > > http://www.jungledisk.com/ > > Highly recommended. > Or zip the database files and attach them to an e-mail you send to an GMail > account of yours for the purpose (free). > > /gustav > > >>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-10-2009 13:21 >>> > Hi guys, > Does anybody have any recommendations for remote sites for backups, > preferrably FREE of course. > > I would like to be able to upload our systems database etc, everynight > as part of our Disaster Recovery Plan. > > Thanks > Max > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 07:56:32 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> <4AD70CBC.5060601@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <013401ca4e60$16856bb0$43904310$@net> -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I told it C# and it started singing in Soprano! Back to the drawing board. max On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Max, > Let me know how the programming goes. :-) > T From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 07:56:32 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <4AD700D1.9070808@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <013501ca4e60$16db53e0$4491fba0$@net> My Bravia has a setting for auto screen size which I can then override with the remote if I so desire. I recently used it on a video disk that someone recorded wrong. The people were all wider than they were supposed to be so I used one of the stretch methods to get them video to appear as it should have. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma My Samsung is cleverer than that... It can tell from the broadcast what it's supposed to be showing and automagically shows it in the best format. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma yes, but (on mine) you can switch back-n-forth with a click of the remote. wide or normal, your choice! On 15/10/2009, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > That's a choice you make in the setup menu. My hubby loves it because > he wants the picture nice and wide. I dislike it because it distorts > the image. We flip back and forth on the setting depending on the > topic or who is the main TV watcher - so, it's usually set to the wide > view. :-) T > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. What's up with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >> Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >> drawbacks, evidently. >> >> Alice >> >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd >>> watch at >>> >> night mostly. >> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>> is >>> >> faster. >> >>> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 07:56:32 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <013601ca4e60$1703c370$450b4a50$@net> Hi Mark, My Bravia has 4 HDMI posts, a VGA, USB, composite video, direct link, digital port, S-video, (basically ports ad nauseum) - and an Ethernet port which I use to connect to my home network. I can then view photos, music and video from my PC. I also bought a Sony Bravia InterLink module (add-on) off of eBay (in the box new). It gives me direct access from the TV to the Internet sources such as YouTube, Amazon Video on demand, CBS, Slacker Radio, etc. It came with a $99 coupon for Amazon Video on Demand so the cost was a wash and I've enjoyed it. I'm kind of chuckling at this thread while thinking to myself "don't any of these guys have wives?" How the unit looks was an important factor in our purchase. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma The TV also as a ethernet port but I have not figured that one out yet. HTH, Mark 2009/10/15 Rocky Smolin > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a > slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - > flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. What's > up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice > > Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. > > Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in > > the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch at > night mostly. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Wanadoo > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Rocky, > > > > I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. > > It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. > > > > As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a > > 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. > > > > All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. > > > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 > > To: 'Off Topic'; List > > Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Dear Lists: > > > > I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. > > Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference > > between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-OT mailing list > > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 08:06:22 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <39EEC19941274B6EADAA7E8471D0A041@HAL9005> Message-ID: <014101ca4e61$756332b0$60299810$@net> I have a choice of which speaker system to use right on the TV's remote. Presently I have just my headphones or the built-in speakers. I flip to headphones and it shuts the other speakers down. The other issue with sound systems is that newer ones have HDMI interface cables which allow the different components to control each other (at least in the Sony world). I'm fairly certain that I will eventually get a Sony surround sound system and Sony Blueray player. (I'm waiting until they have a Blueray player that plays and records to BR, DVD and CD that's in my price range.) I'm in no hurry since "Leave it to Beaver" looks and sounds pretty good right now ;o) I didn't plan on buying a flat screen this soon either but situation demanded it. We're now big TV watchers either. I think I've played Slacker radio through it almost as much as watching shows. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma The current one I ran the sound out to the stereo (which is hardly used either) but it was a PITA having the extra remote for the sound. I suppose a newer TV will have a more universal remote which could run the stereo as well. From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 08:06:22 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a > slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt - > flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. ?What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 08:06:22 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <014501ca4e61$75a60810$60f21830$@net> I have wireless earphones too - great addition! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I agree with Gary. Get the biggest you can afford. Get surround sound for that "great experience" or put good quality ear phones on (I use wireless ones) so that I dont distrub the neighbours. I can then pop to the loo without missing a word said...great stuff! max On 15/10/2009, Max Wanadoo wrote: > sorta "D" shaped. Bit like the VGA but "thicker" round the edges. > They are not compatible so you cannot make a mistake. > > You will not have seen one before, so "it is something that you have > not seen before " > > If you recognise it, then that is not it! Does that make sense? > > Max > > > On 15/10/2009, Gary Kjos wrote: >> YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. >> Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others >> dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format >> content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or >> satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? >> Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use >> cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I >> tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting >> events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to >> resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that >> they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to >> go back to "regular" TV. >> >> LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same >> size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that >> match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in >> the same size screen. >> >> I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the >> other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger >> ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need >> to decide between the two formats. >> >> If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray >> DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that >> you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P >> because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the >> difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P >> picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in >> 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively >> expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a >> decision point for you. >> >> How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should >> find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a >> screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on >> either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with >> weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. >> >> Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you >> don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at >> those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using >> the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy >> surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, >> reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin >> wrote: >>> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >>> >>> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have a >>> slight edge in our unofficial poll. >>> >>> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is fercockt >>> - >>> flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider screen. >>> ?What's >>> up >>> with that? >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >>> To: Off Topic >>> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's >>> drawbacks, >>> evidently. >>> >>> Alice >>>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >>>> at >>> night mostly. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>>> Wanadoo >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Rocky, >>>> >>>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>>> >>>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >>> faster. >>>> >>>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>> Smolin >>>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>>> >>>> Dear Lists: >>>> >>>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Rocky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-OT mailing list >>>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:31:33 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:31:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternative to Adobe Message-ID: I need an open source (free) app that will open Word and PDF and let me alter them. Is there such a beast? Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:41:18 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:41:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternative to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: here is a good overview of free stuff. http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-pdf-writer.htm max On 16/10/2009, Susan Harkins wrote: > I need an open source (free) app that will open Word and PDF and let me > alter them. Is there such a beast? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 09:08:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:08:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> Message-ID: <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. ?What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 16 09:13:55 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:13:55 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: Go to a proper electrical retailer and compare the picture quality of any of the brands you're interested in. Then you won't even think about LG or Toshiba once you've seen the Sony's and Samsungs, honestly. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:08 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 09:18:20 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:18:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: I have two friends that have LG and like them a lot. Both are pretty technologically in the know and are hard to please and tend to investigate all options before spending money too. Toshiba's radio ads say they are top of the line but I don't know anyone who has one. They did take a beating in the whole HD-DVD thing before Blu-Ray won out. ;-) You might look at Sams Club too. They do both Sony and Samsung. Amazon also is a good source although I would recommend you go to a brick and mortar store and see the products pictures before you buy any TV online. Possible you could save the cost of membership there on a TV purchase. GK. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. ?Any opinions on those? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Good bit of advice! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for > the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or > watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable > and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to > stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - > Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to > narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this > year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" > TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size > screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the > movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size > screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. > First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) ?Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to > decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you > should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now > anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told > that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and > 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as > that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was > out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so > that probably won't be a decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? ?I would say you should find > out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at > least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the > most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger > IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... ?If you don't > have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well > when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with > the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for > your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good > stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. ?What's > up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >>> at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Fri Oct 16 08:08:45 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:08:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - statusl References: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com><22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com><435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005><4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800><9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> Message-ID: I have used the TechRepublic article by Greg Shulz "creating a bootable USB flash drive for Windows XP" that is: I have a PC which can be set in BIOS to boot from an USB flash drive I have a 16 GB USB stick the procedure in above article is: - extract the two files setupldr.bin and expand ramdisk.sy_ from the Windows Server 2003 SP1 - run Bart PE-builder 3.110a using above files - use PEbuilders pe2usb to transfer the files to the stick. issues: - pe2usb -f d: tries to format the stick as FAT for which the 16G stick is too big. - formating the stick to FAT32 and then using the above without -f (no format) does not succeed in transferring the files. - formatting the stick to NTFS allows the program to transfer the files, but the resulting stick does not boot (tried it on 2 different PCs) next: looking for a different method. Saw one that uses an HP utility to format the stick. Lembit From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 16 10:55:27 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:55:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - statusl In-Reply-To: References: <3C666B03C9144800990DBAFF05DA5C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <22FD86CC635343FE948DC480668DCCF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <185BD1F84339439A991F92AB18F8EC17@creativesystemdesigns.com> <435C62014B51415BB88DAB1A1423EDA9@HAL9005> <4A7B5B0531FB49F389D5DCDFF965AB8C@s1800> <9B13E26119B1486E8C17F4C1AEF75B47@s1800> Message-ID: Hi Lembit: Have you looked at this forum: http://www.911cd.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10806&st=0 ...and check out the following... http://usb.smithtech.us/pe/instructions.htm ...or you could try something like: Try making it active using Diskpart instead of PEToUSB: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/26/using-diskpartexe-as-disk-managemen t-alternative-in-windows-vista-2000-2003-and-xp start -> run -> diskpart type "list disk" without the quotes and press enter. type "select disk n" without the quotes and press enter, where n is the disk number of the USB drive. do the same as above, but replace "disk" with "partition". type "active" without the quotes and press enter type "exit" without the quotes and press enter. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] make USB-stick bootable - statusl I have used the TechRepublic article by Greg Shulz "creating a bootable USB flash drive for Windows XP" that is: I have a PC which can be set in BIOS to boot from an USB flash drive I have a 16 GB USB stick the procedure in above article is: - extract the two files setupldr.bin and expand ramdisk.sy_ from the Windows Server 2003 SP1 - run Bart PE-builder 3.110a using above files - use PEbuilders pe2usb to transfer the files to the stick. issues: - pe2usb -f d: tries to format the stick as FAT for which the 16G stick is too big. - formating the stick to FAT32 and then using the above without -f (no format) does not succeed in transferring the files. - formatting the stick to NTFS allows the program to transfer the files, but the resulting stick does not boot (tried it on 2 different PCs) next: looking for a different method. Saw one that uses an HP utility to format the stick. Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 11:08:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:08:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> I concur with what Jon said. Samsung is No.1 for me. It stood our heads and shoulders above the others on display. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. ?What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 16 11:22:57 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:22:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Really? The ones at my local Comet were all on the floor... :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I concur with what Jon said. Samsung is No.1 for me. It stood our heads and shoulders above the others on display. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 11:25:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:25:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ad89e9f.0a1ad00a.1c77.51ff@mx.google.com> Ha! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 16 October 2009 17:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Really? The ones at my local Comet were all on the floor... :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I concur with what Jon said. Samsung is No.1 for me. It stood our heads and shoulders above the others on display. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 11:42:55 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:42:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> (rim shot) Thank you. You've been a wonderful audience... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Really? The ones at my local Comet were all on the floor... :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I concur with what Jon said. Samsung is No.1 for me. It stood our heads and shoulders above the others on display. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 12:18:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:18:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo In-Reply-To: <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> Rocky, I know from our previous discussions that you have multi-language software. This link (free) may help when converting English to ?? http://www.lingoversity.com/ built-in English and Spanish interface languages built-in access to 2900 online dictionaries supported translation between 970 language pairs Max From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 12:42:12 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:42:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo In-Reply-To: <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7688070D431D4751B22AA9171F9C0E37@HAL9005> Looks cool but the on-line dictionaries, which I already have bookmarked seem to be the primary feature. And those unfortunately are not too good with technical terms line bill of materials or work order. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo Rocky, I know from our previous discussions that you have multi-language software. This link (free) may help when converting English to ?? http://www.lingoversity.com/ built-in English and Spanish interface languages built-in access to 2900 online dictionaries supported translation between 970 language pairs Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 13:04:03 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:04:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. It's a pretty good size for the room its in. What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Go to a proper electrical retailer and compare the picture quality of any of the brands you're interested in. Then you won't even think about LG or Toshiba once you've seen the Sony's and Samsungs, honestly. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:08 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. Any opinions on those? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Good bit of advice! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" TV. LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size screen. I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger ;-) Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to decide between the two formats. If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. How big it the TV you are planning to replace? I would say you should find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... If you don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. GK On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So it sounds like LCD over plasma. Yes? > > And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have > a slight edge in our unofficial poll. > > Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is > fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider > screen. What's up > with that? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma > > I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's drawbacks, > evidently. > > Alice >> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). The room is bright in >> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). I suppose we'd watch >> at > night mostly. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >> Heid >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. Had it about 4 months now. >> >> Bobby >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Rocky, >> >> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >> It is fantastic. Had it for about 18 months now. >> >> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is > faster. >> >> All I know is that I have never regretted buying my Samsung. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin >> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. So what's the difference >> between LCD and plasma? Which one to get? >> >> TIA >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 13:12:47 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:12:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: 40" or Maybe 42" http://www.screenmath.com/ GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty good size > for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - > Slough > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:14 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Go to a proper electrical retailer and compare the picture quality of any of > the brands you're interested in. Then you won't even think about LG or > Toshiba once you've seen the Sony's and Samsungs, honestly. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:08 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. ?Any opinions on those? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Good bit of advice! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format content for > the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or satellite or > watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use cable > and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I tend to > stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting events - > Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to resort to > narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that they go HD this > year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" > TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same size > screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that match the > movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in the same size > screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. > First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) ?Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need to > decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray DVD's, you > should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that you can find now > anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P because I was told > that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the difference between 720p and > 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as > that was all that was availaible in 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was > out then it was prohibitively expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so > that probably won't be a decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? ?I would say you should find > out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a screen at > least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on either. For the > most part though, especially for those of us with weakening eyesight, bigger > IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... ?If you don't > have a surround sound system, you definately should look at those as well > when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using the TV speakers with > the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy surround system will do for > your viewing experience. Center channel, reat channel, subwoofer. Good > stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. ?What's > up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd watch >>> at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and > privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than > the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in > error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 14:08:02 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:08:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: Thank you. Is there anything that is NOT on the web? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma 40" or Maybe 42" http://www.screenmath.com/ GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty good > size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon > - Slough > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:14 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Go to a proper electrical retailer and compare the picture quality of > any of the brands you're interested in. Then you won't even think > about LG or Toshiba once you've seen the Sony's and Samsungs, honestly. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:08 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Costco has mostly LG and Toshiba. ?Any opinions on those? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:06 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Good bit of advice! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:11 AM > To: Off Topic > Cc: List > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > YOU decide to stretch or not stretch when the content is not 16x9. > Many people feel that bigger is better even if it's distorted. Others > dislike the distortion. I generally just avoid the narrow format > content for the most part. Are you going to be connecting to cable or > satellite or watching over the air via antenna? Or mostly DVD's? > Pretty much all the prime time network stuff is wide screen now. I use > cable and we have about 50 High Definition wide screen channels and I > tend to stick to those about 95% of the time. There are some sporting > events - Minnesota Gopher Hockey in particular - that I still have to > resort to narrow screen content on. Or did last year. I am hoping that > they go HD this year. Once you taste the HD content you won't want to go back to "regular" > TV. > > LCD uses less electricity. LCD is much LIGHTER in weight for the same > size screen. LCD is a bit brighter. Plasma has more "true colors" that > match the movie theater picture supposedly. Plasma is a bit cheaper in > the same size screen. > > I personally wouldn't go to the store thinking you want one or the other. > First decide the SIZE you want. Then go at least one bigger > ;-) ?Then go and see what your choices are. Chances are you won't need > to decide between the two formats. > > If you want begger than 40inches or if you will be doing blue ray > DVD's, you should only consider 1080P & 120Hz. Maybe that is all that > you can find now anyway. When we bought our 40" Sony we went with 720P > because I was told that at 40 inches and below you can't tell the > difference between 720p and 1080P. We are very happy with the 720P > picture. My 62Inch DLP is 1080i as that was all that was availaible in > 2004. 1080P came out later or if it was out then it was prohibitively > expensive. Most TV's now do 1080P though so that probably won't be a decision point for you. > > How big it the TV you are planning to replace? ?I would say you should > find out how TALL that picture is and then look for a TV that has a > screen at least that same height regardless of the diagonol numbers on > either. For the most part though, especially for those of us with > weakening eyesight, bigger IS better. > > Oh, and one further thing..... don't forget about SOUND...... ?If you > don't have a surround sound system, you definately should look at > those as well when you are buying the TV. If' you've only been using > the TV speakers with the old TV you WILL BE AMAZED what even a chinsy > surround system will do for your viewing experience. Center channel, > reat channel, subwoofer. Good stuff. > > GK > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: >> So it sounds like LCD over plasma. ? Yes? >> >> And a toss up between Samsung and Sony although Samsung seems to have >> a slight edge in our unofficial poll. >> >> Now, another thing I've seen on these TVs - the aspect ratio is >> fercockt - flattened out, regular picture stretched to fit the wider >> screen. ?What's > up >> with that? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alice >> Whalen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: Off Topic >> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >> >> I have heard that plasmas are being phased out. Gravity has it's > drawbacks, >> evidently. >> >> Alice >>> Well it sounds like Samsung has the inside track on these lists. >>> Still can't figure LCD vs. plasma (vs. LED?). ?The room is bright in >>> the daytime, dark at night (no surprise there). ?I suppose we'd >>> watch at >> night mostly. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby >>> Heid >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:19 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> I have a 52" Samsung 120Hz LCD and love it. ?Had it about 4 months now. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >>> Wanadoo >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:30 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Rocky, >>> >>> I have a 50" Plasma from Samsung. >>> It is fantastic. ?Had it for about 18 months now. >>> >>> As well as the other stuff that people have pointed out, there is a >>> 2xfactor in refresh rate between the two but I cannot recall which >>> is >> faster. >>> >>> All I know is that I have never ?regretted buying my Samsung. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>> Smolin >>> Sent: 14 October 2009 21:10 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma >>> >>> Dear Lists: >>> >>> I'm getting some pressure to upgrade our big TV to a flat screen. >>> Looked at a few in Frys the other day. ?So what's the difference >>> between LCD and plasma? ?Which one to get? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-OT mailing list >>> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 14:31:03 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > 40" ?or Maybe 42" > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty good >> size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >> >> Rocky >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 16 14:43:33 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:43:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <034401ca4e98$f2024130$d606c390$@net> LOL! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > 40" ?or Maybe 42" > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty good >> size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >> >> Rocky >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 14:50:47 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:50:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with a good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to figure out what's the difference. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > 40" ?or Maybe 42" > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty >> good size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >> >> Rocky >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 15:10:19 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: You really need to go have a looksee at them first hand. THEN do some research. As Jon said, when you see them all side by side, certain brands and models will jump out at you. Researching first is going to take a lot longer in my opinion as there are a LOT of model numbers. They use different model numbers for different stores even. That is their way of getting around the price matching thing. Sams club has it's own model numbers of many branded TV's. Costco probably does too. Nobody else has those same models and so they can't sell the same model for the same price because they sell the same TV with a different model number. They do it with Tires too ;-) Won't hurt you to study up a bit before you go there but don't beat yourself up too much on it. Often they have a different selection of brands and models in the store verses online too. That's just the way it is. You can look at all the numbers, contrast ratios and brightness ratings, until you see the picture with your own eyes it's all academic. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. ?Frys > doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with a > good web site. ?Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. ? With a > spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). ?So now I have to > figure out what's the difference. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma >> >> 40" ?or Maybe 42" >> >> http://www.screenmath.com/ >> >> GK >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin >> wrote: >>> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty >>> good size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >>> >>> Rocky >>> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 15:48:17 2009 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: <21902.84289.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Something else I've noticed in price differences on same size screens is the number and types of input connections they have. For example, one 42" may have one HDMI, one VGA, and one Auxillary input (for VCR/DVD/Blu Ray). The other may have two HDMI, one VGA, one S-Video, and two Auxillary. If you don't need all of those inputs and the other features are the same, you could save a little money. HTH, Rusty ________________________________ From: Gary Kjos To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 3:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma You really need to go have a looksee at them first hand. THEN do some research. As Jon said, when you see them all side by side, certain brands and models will jump out at you. Researching first is going to take a lot longer in my opinion as there are a LOT of model numbers. They use different model numbers for different stores even. That is their way of getting around the price matching thing. Sams club has it's own model numbers of many branded TV's. Costco probably does too. Nobody else has those same models and so they can't sell the same model for the same price because they sell the same TV with a different model number. They do it with Tires too ;-) Won't hurt you to study up a bit before you go there but don't beat yourself up too much on it. Often they have a different selection of brands and models in the store verses online too. That's just the way it is. You can look at all the numbers, contrast ratios and brightness ratings, until you see the picture with your own eyes it's all academic. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. Frys > doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with a > good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a > spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to > figure out what's the difference. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> Thank you. Is there anything that is NOT on the web? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma >> >> 40" or Maybe 42" >> >> http://www.screenmath.com/ >> >> GK >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin >> wrote: >>> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. It's a pretty >>> good size for the room its in. What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >>> >>> Rocky >>> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 16:05:37 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:05:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hello Rocky, As many people have said here, there is an astonishing difference between models. I viewed three different models, all Sony and all recent models but some were really useless. I cannot imagine buying one of the useless ones. I suppose the usual rules apply, best the best you can justify on the day, and never think about it again. Do think about the sound though. My brother in law bought the same TV as me, and he is so frustrated when he comes to our house and hears the sound from a decent set of external speakers. I have no souround, and no intention of getting them just simple left and right, but they are originally from a HI system and I drive it with a 50 watt RMS amp and when you turn it up, can you feel the concrete vibrate. There is a sony souround system but it is expensive. Good Luck and enjoy. You only buy a TV three of four times in your life, bit like a bed I guess. Mark 2009/10/16 Rocky Smolin > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. Frys > doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with > a > good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a > spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to > figure out what's the difference. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > Thank you. Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > > > 40" or Maybe 42" > > > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: > >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. It's a pretty > >> good size for the room its in. What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? > >> > >> Rocky > >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 18:31:02 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:31:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: <39F78BBE2D1B464FA01AE437919D03B0@HAL9005> Very true. But shopping from my chair is too easy. I wanted to figure out enough so I could be 1/2 way intelligent while I'm looking at them. Guess it's time to go to the store. Now my FIL hated the Samsung - took his back - and ended up with Panasonic. My best friend in Chicago has a Panasonic. And likes it. FIL says Vizio is good but inexpensive because it's the Chinese brand. Maybe I'll make one more internet stop at cnet reviews. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 1:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma You really need to go have a looksee at them first hand. THEN do some research. As Jon said, when you see them all side by side, certain brands and models will jump out at you. Researching first is going to take a lot longer in my opinion as there are a LOT of model numbers. They use different model numbers for different stores even. That is their way of getting around the price matching thing. Sams club has it's own model numbers of many branded TV's. Costco probably does too. Nobody else has those same models and so they can't sell the same model for the same price because they sell the same TV with a different model number. They do it with Tires too ;-) Won't hurt you to study up a bit before you go there but don't beat yourself up too much on it. Often they have a different selection of brands and models in the store verses online too. That's just the way it is. You can look at all the numbers, contrast ratios and brightness ratings, until you see the picture with your own eyes it's all academic. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. ? > Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I > know of with a good web site. ?Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - > 1080p/120Hz. ? With a spread of about $300 from low to high > ($1200-$1500). ?So now I have to figure out what's the difference. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma >> >> 40" ?or Maybe 42" >> >> http://www.screenmath.com/ >> >> GK >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin >> >> wrote: >>> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty >>> good size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >>> >>> Rocky >>> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 18:34:18 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2513B6781AC54BE6BC33DBABACFC7E15@HAL9005> What made the useless ones useless? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Hello Rocky, As many people have said here, there is an astonishing difference between models. I viewed three different models, all Sony and all recent models but some were really useless. I cannot imagine buying one of the useless ones. I suppose the usual rules apply, best the best you can justify on the day, and never think about it again. Do think about the sound though. My brother in law bought the same TV as me, and he is so frustrated when he comes to our house and hears the sound from a decent set of external speakers. I have no souround, and no intention of getting them just simple left and right, but they are originally from a HI system and I drive it with a 50 watt RMS amp and when you turn it up, can you feel the concrete vibrate. There is a sony souround system but it is expensive. Good Luck and enjoy. You only buy a TV three of four times in your life, bit like a bed I guess. Mark 2009/10/16 Rocky Smolin > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. > Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I > know of with a > good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a > spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to > figure out what's the difference. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > Thank you. Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > > > 40" or Maybe 42" > > > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. It's a pretty > >> good size for the room its in. What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? > >> > >> Rocky > >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 20:50:48 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:50:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <39F78BBE2D1B464FA01AE437919D03B0@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> <39F78BBE2D1B464FA01AE437919D03B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: I know. I do that too. Don't forget Amazon. I like to browse the user entered reviews. You have to take them womewhat with a dash of salt as satisfied customers are not as likely to participate in that kind of thing as dissatisfied ones are, but reading a few of the reviews gives me comfort. Best Buy has customer entered reviews on their website too. It's not something I would really base a decision on one way or the other on it's own, but it's a little more information to move you off the bubble between "warm and fuzzy" and "this just isn't quite the one". In some ways your decision could be considered easier than it would have been 4 years ago. More brands and models to choose from but more of them are good too. I don't think you will be going terribly wrong with ANY of the name brands. Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Toshiba, Sharp. Pioneer and Hitachi also make TV's. LG, Phillips. Westinghouse. Visio. Most of the brands have a variety of model lines. They have an entry level set a middle of the road and a top end with the nosebleed price. Really though, when you look at them side by side in the store you will gravitate towards a couple. The colors will just be more vivid and the picture will seem to POP at your eyes a bit more than the others. Hopefully the store hasn't tweaked the picture but I would have to think that most stores are not going to bother with that since it would take WORK. Just go and have a look with the idea that your just there to have a look and not buy that day. A true shopping trip not a buying trip. See what you like and what you don't. It's your eyes that count most here. The rest doesn't really matter. On the other hand, the absolute worst TV you see in the store is likely going to look ten times better than your old TV since it will be HD and your current TV isn't. I'm still amazed watching sports in HD. You can see the individual blades of grass on the field. And the SOUND. TV has 5.1 sound now. Don't forget the sound system. ;-) You need all those 6 channels. You can keep your speakers, but look at getting a receiver and a center and a couple rear speakers. Center Channel is important, be good to spend some money there. The rear speakers don't need to be all that special though. Just look. And listen in this case. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Very true. ?But shopping from my chair is too easy. ?I wanted to figure out > enough so I could be 1/2 way intelligent while I'm looking at them. ?Guess > it's time to go to the store. > > Now my FIL hated the Samsung - took his back - and ended up with Panasonic. > My best friend in Chicago has a Panasonic. ?And likes it. FIL says Vizio is > good but inexpensive because it's the Chinese brand. > > Maybe I'll make one more internet stop at cnet reviews. > > > > Rocky > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 16 22:32:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:32:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005><39F78BBE2D1B464FA01AE437919D03B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Reviews: I was thinking of the technical reviews you get on sites like Cnet - not customer reviews. Well, it's hot and sunny here so first things first - bike ride tomorrow, then maybe to the club for some laps in the pool. THEN, maybe a quick trip to Best Buy, Frys, Sears. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma I know. I do that too. Don't forget Amazon. I like to browse the user entered reviews. You have to take them womewhat with a dash of salt as satisfied customers are not as likely to participate in that kind of thing as dissatisfied ones are, but reading a few of the reviews gives me comfort. Best Buy has customer entered reviews on their website too. It's not something I would really base a decision on one way or the other on it's own, but it's a little more information to move you off the bubble between "warm and fuzzy" and "this just isn't quite the one". In some ways your decision could be considered easier than it would have been 4 years ago. More brands and models to choose from but more of them are good too. I don't think you will be going terribly wrong with ANY of the name brands. Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Toshiba, Sharp. Pioneer and Hitachi also make TV's. LG, Phillips. Westinghouse. Visio. Most of the brands have a variety of model lines. They have an entry level set a middle of the road and a top end with the nosebleed price. Really though, when you look at them side by side in the store you will gravitate towards a couple. The colors will just be more vivid and the picture will seem to POP at your eyes a bit more than the others. Hopefully the store hasn't tweaked the picture but I would have to think that most stores are not going to bother with that since it would take WORK. Just go and have a look with the idea that your just there to have a look and not buy that day. A true shopping trip not a buying trip. See what you like and what you don't. It's your eyes that count most here. The rest doesn't really matter. On the other hand, the absolute worst TV you see in the store is likely going to look ten times better than your old TV since it will be HD and your current TV isn't. I'm still amazed watching sports in HD. You can see the individual blades of grass on the field. And the SOUND. TV has 5.1 sound now. Don't forget the sound system. ;-) You need all those 6 channels. You can keep your speakers, but look at getting a receiver and a center and a couple rear speakers. Center Channel is important, be good to spend some money there. The rear speakers don't need to be all that special though. Just look. And listen in this case. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Very true. ?But shopping from my chair is too easy. ?I wanted to > figure out enough so I could be 1/2 way intelligent while I'm looking > at them. ?Guess it's time to go to the store. > > Now my FIL hated the Samsung - took his back - and ended up with Panasonic. > My best friend in Chicago has a Panasonic. ?And likes it. FIL says > Vizio is good but inexpensive because it's the Chinese brand. > > Maybe I'll make one more internet stop at cnet reviews. > > > > Rocky > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 03:34:46 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:34:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <2513B6781AC54BE6BC33DBABACFC7E15@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> <2513B6781AC54BE6BC33DBABACFC7E15@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hello Rocky, I reviewed a model type which Sony refer to here in Europe as the 4500 series, it is one of the higher quality screens. But they also have a 4000 and 3500 series, and probably a whole lot more as well. I went to a store that had a discontined 52" 3500 series, and it was looking at an old cine camera playing against your curtins, really crap quality, but it was 52" so someone bought them. I saw the 4000 series playing the same movie simultaneously with the 4500 and to a novice like me, the 4500 was better, so I bought that one. My BIL that I mentioned did originally want to buy the samsung also, in his opinion, Sony and Samsung have this figured out, and it matter not much whether you buy Samsung or Sony. Enjoy the bike ride, I have one, but mostly I prefer to go out for a 4 mile walk these days, Mark 2009/10/17 Rocky Smolin > What made the useless ones useless? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > Hello Rocky, > As many people have said here, there is an astonishing difference between > models. > > I viewed three different models, all Sony and all recent models but some > were really useless. I cannot imagine buying one of the useless ones. I > suppose the usual rules apply, best the best you can justify on the day, > and > never think about it again. > > Do think about the sound though. My brother in law bought the same TV as > me, and he is so frustrated when he comes to our house and hears the sound > from a decent set of external speakers. I have no souround, and no > intention of getting them just simple left and right, but they are > originally from a HI system and I drive it with a 50 watt RMS amp and when > you turn it up, can you feel the concrete vibrate. There is a sony > souround > system but it is expensive. > > Good Luck and enjoy. > > You only buy a TV three of four times in your life, bit like a bed I guess. > > Mark > > > > > 2009/10/16 Rocky Smolin > > > It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. > > Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I > > know of with a > > good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With > a > > spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to > > figure out what's the difference. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:31 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > > > Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: > > > Thank you. Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > > Kjos > > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > > > > > 40" or Maybe 42" > > > > > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > > > > > > wrote: > > >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. It's a pretty > > >> good size for the room its in. What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? > > >> > > >> Rocky > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 03:55:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:55:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad98680.0a1ad00a.1c69.ffff9e1d@mx.google.com> Hahahaha... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 16 October 2009 20:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Not anymore. I just looked. Everything is there. GK On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Thank you. ?Is there anything that is NOT on the web? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma > > 40" ?or Maybe 42" > > http://www.screenmath.com/ > > GK > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> So our current tube is a 32" diagonal - 20H x 26W. ?It's a pretty good >> size for the room its in. ?What size in the 16:9 is equivalent? >> >> Rocky >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 04:31:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:31:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo In-Reply-To: <7688070D431D4751B22AA9171F9C0E37@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com><000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> <7688070D431D4751B22AA9171F9C0E37@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ad98eed.0a1ad00a.1c70.ffffabd3@mx.google.com> Try this: http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|Bill%20of%20Material http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|work%20in%20progress Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 18:42 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Looks cool but the on-line dictionaries, which I already have bookmarked seem to be the primary feature. And those unfortunately are not too good with technical terms line bill of materials or work order. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo Rocky, I know from our previous discussions that you have multi-language software. This link (free) may help when converting English to ?? http://www.lingoversity.com/ built-in English and Spanish interface languages built-in access to 2900 online dictionaries supported translation between 970 language pairs Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 10:53:34 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:53:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar's time slot options Message-ID: You can change the Calendar view's default time slot from 30 minutes to one of several other options by right-clicking the Calendar view, choosing Other Settings and choosing an option from the Time Scale control. The list of possibilities is odd. First, it's rather short. Second, why would 6 minutes be more universal than say, 20 or 45 minutes? As far as I can tell, we're limited to only those options -- can't find a way to add an item to this list. Does anyone know if that's possible? Susan H. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 17 16:35:37 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:35:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar's time slot options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ADA38A9.13449.5EBD69E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Scum sucking, bottom dwellers use 6 minute billing blocks - ask any lawyer :-) Can't answer your other question. -- Stuart On 17 Oct 2009 at 11:53, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can change the Calendar view's default time slot from 30 minutes to one > of several other options by right-clicking the Calendar view, choosing Other > Settings and choosing an option from the Time Scale control. > > The list of possibilities is odd. First, it's rather short. Second, why > would 6 minutes be more universal than say, 20 or 45 minutes? > > As far as I can tell, we're limited to only those options -- can't find a > way to add an item to this list. Does anyone know if that's possible? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Oct 17 16:44:14 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar's time slot options In-Reply-To: <4ADA38A9.13449.5EBD69E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ADA38A9.13449.5EBD69E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5CD45C2EADFE4162AAC687DB68242AF8@danwaters> 6 minute billing blocks? Sounds good to me!! ;-) Dan PS - 6 minutes is just 1/10 of one hour - a logical division. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar's time slot options Scum sucking, bottom dwellers use 6 minute billing blocks - ask any lawyer :-) Can't answer your other question. -- Stuart On 17 Oct 2009 at 11:53, Susan Harkins wrote: > You can change the Calendar view's default time slot from 30 minutes to one > of several other options by right-clicking the Calendar view, choosing Other > Settings and choosing an option from the Time Scale control. > > The list of possibilities is odd. First, it's rather short. Second, why > would 6 minutes be more universal than say, 20 or 45 minutes? > > As far as I can tell, we're limited to only those options -- can't find a > way to add an item to this list. Does anyone know if that's possible? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 17 17:46:18 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:46:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000301ca4f7b$a418c960$ec4a5c20$@rr.com> Rocky, Frys has lots of em! There are 6 46" Samsungs on the first page. http://www.frys.com/catreq/-9778 That's where I got my 52" Samsung. Some of the differences are the contrast ratio (shiny has higher ratio), number of HDMI ports, etc. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with a good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to figure out what's the difference. R From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 17 17:47:44 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:47:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005><8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005><39F78BBE2D1B464FA01AE437919D03B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000401ca4f7b$d7885bd0$86991370$@rr.com> In end, I find personal reviews better than the "official" reviews. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Reviews: I was thinking of the technical reviews you get on sites like Cnet - not customer reviews. Well, it's hot and sunny here so first things first - bike ride tomorrow, then maybe to the club for some laps in the pool. THEN, maybe a quick trip to Best Buy, Frys, Sears. Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 17 18:08:00 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:08:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <000301ca4f7b$a418c960$ec4a5c20$@rr.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com><3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005><014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net><4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <8BB88684148D44EB95EFF83E3A9C3DBE@HAL9005> <000301ca4f7b$a418c960$ec4a5c20$@rr.com> Message-ID: <2E8C1C08A2214B2BBA2BA0687B72597C@HAL9005> I looked at some today. Damned if I can tell any more than the slightest difference among them. Of course, I was only looking at the good ones. :) But one useful thing: I was after 46". Now I'm thinking 52-55. OK Fry's here we come. Also had to call the cable company. No point getting the HD TV without HD cable signal. They'll give me a converter box. Swell Another piece of hardware - another outlet. Rocky P.S. Saw some LED panels. They looked pretty sharp. LG 47" 240Hz - $1500. 55" - $2000 -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma Rocky, Frys has lots of em! There are 6 46" Samsungs on the first page. http://www.frys.com/catreq/-9778 That's where I got my 52" Samsung. Some of the differences are the contrast ratio (shiny has higher ratio), number of HDMI ports, etc. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] LCD vs Plasma It looks like 46" is my sweet spot. So now I'm looking for vendors. Frys doesn't carry either. Best Buy is the only place local that I know of with a good web site. Sony has 3 and Samsung 2 46" models - 1080p/120Hz. With a spread of about $300 from low to high ($1200-$1500). So now I have to figure out what's the difference. R _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 06:58:45 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:58:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 and SQL 2008 Message-ID: <29f585dd0910190458q64314ff5n695f57ec1bc9cc35@mail.gmail.com> I've installed Windows 7 on one box and then tried to install SQL 2008. Immediately I get a message that says there are incompatibilities, and that installing SP1 will fix them. But this is unclear to me. Am I supposed to proceed with the installation, then download the SP1 and run it? Or skip the original installation and just run SP1? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 19 07:12:50 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:12:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 and SQL 2008 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0910190458q64314ff5n695f57ec1bc9cc35@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0910190458q64314ff5n695f57ec1bc9cc35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADC57C2.20263.5E4F036@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Install and then upgrade to SP1 -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2009 at 7:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've installed Windows 7 on one box and then tried to install SQL 2008. > Immediately I get a message that says there are incompatibilities, and that > installing SP1 will fix them. But this is unclear to me. Am I supposed to > proceed with the installation, then download the SP1 and run it? Or skip the > original installation and just run SP1? > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 19 10:25:16 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:25:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: [dba-OT] Suze Orman Rips a Poker Player Out a New One ... Message-ID: <4FD1A52C4F4049839DEE15C1416926DB@HAL9005> Turns out not to be as simple as stopping by Fry's and snagging a TV. Gotta get the cable upgraded to digital and get the converter box. Gotta get TIVO upgraded to HD so we can see what we record in HD. Learned something really critical (I think) about HDTV - response time is more important that refresh rate. The boxes I'm looking at have response time from 8ms down to 2. I'm being told to get the 2ms and 240Hz refresh. Gotta go up to Colorado this week for the parole hearing so it looks like this may be next weekend's project. Missed a deal at Fry's for a high end 47" Samsung - they were throwing in a Blu-Ray player - 1400 bucks. But, yeah, the picture quality is as different as going to color from my B&W TV. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:32 AM To: Off Topic Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Suze Orman Rips a Poker Player Out a New One ... > Is it too late to cancel my HDTV project and just shoot all the f*****s? =========Jacob (my son) has a great setup and he gets a lot of quality "on-demand" programming. I can't remember if he's got HD or plasma -- I wouldn't know, but wow... it looks fantastic -- like being right there. Incredible picture. He also TIVO's stuff, so he always has something interesting to watch. I'm envious. :) Susan H _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Oct 19 10:39:10 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:39:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: HDTV Selection In-Reply-To: <4FD1A52C4F4049839DEE15C1416926DB@HAL9005> References: <4FD1A52C4F4049839DEE15C1416926DB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <16824774FD194753B49052CA08E87AA6@danwaters> Hi Rocky, You do NOT necessarily need to upgrade to digital cable. When I first got my HDTV, I was just going for the 1080P movies and an improved picture for everything else. But it turned out that my local CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and FOX broadcast stations show up in HD across analog cable. ABC and FOX are in 720P, the others are in 1080I. The cable stations will not tell you that they send HD signals across analog cable, but I suspect that they do it because US Federal law requires them too. This was a great surprise, as I watch these stations frequently. I do live in a large metropolitan area (Minneapolis) so maybe that helps. Watching the Vikings beat Baltimore yesterday (although just barely) in 1080i on CBS was great! I'd do some long screen comparisons of TV's with different specs before you put down the larger bucks. Everyone's eyes are different, and you may not be able to tell. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:25 AM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: [dba-OT] Suze Orman Rips a Poker Player Out a New One ... Turns out not to be as simple as stopping by Fry's and snagging a TV. Gotta get the cable upgraded to digital and get the converter box. Gotta get TIVO upgraded to HD so we can see what we record in HD. Learned something really critical (I think) about HDTV - response time is more important that refresh rate. The boxes I'm looking at have response time from 8ms down to 2. I'm being told to get the 2ms and 240Hz refresh. Gotta go up to Colorado this week for the parole hearing so it looks like this may be next weekend's project. Missed a deal at Fry's for a high end 47" Samsung - they were throwing in a Blu-Ray player - 1400 bucks. But, yeah, the picture quality is as different as going to color from my B&W TV. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:32 AM To: Off Topic Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Suze Orman Rips a Poker Player Out a New One ... > Is it too late to cancel my HDTV project and just shoot all the f*****s? =========Jacob (my son) has a great setup and he gets a lot of quality "on-demand" programming. I can't remember if he's got HD or plasma -- I wouldn't know, but wow... it looks fantastic -- like being right there. Incredible picture. He also TIVO's stuff, so he always has something interesting to watch. I'm envious. :) Susan H _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:03:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:03:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Parking Fines Message-ID: <4adc8de9.08b6660a.45c9.16c7@mx.google.com> Can we not just hang these vermin.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7872299.stm Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:18:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:18:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] clock ticking Message-ID: <4adc916d.06e2660a.2607.02b5@mx.google.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7832652.stm Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:22:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:22:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free Message-ID: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ Max From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Oct 19 11:24:37 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:24:37 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] clock ticking In-Reply-To: <4adc916d.06e2660a.2607.02b5@mx.google.com> References: <4adc916d.06e2660a.2607.02b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Uh, that's from January... And the date specified in the code was sometime in March, I think... I seem to remember it being something of an anti-climax. Perhaps it was an AV company doing it to scare everyone?? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] clock ticking http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7832652.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 19 11:39:32 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:39:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> References: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0757B9F35FA34354A6D2F5DA6A149456@HAL9005> Yeah but is it any good? Better than Sygate? AVG? Malwarebytes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] free http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:43:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:43:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <0757B9F35FA34354A6D2F5DA6A149456@HAL9005> References: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> <0757B9F35FA34354A6D2F5DA6A149456@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4adc9754.09a1660a.5a98.0d63@mx.google.com> I am happy with everything else they do generally speaking. It free, supported with auto updates. MS are always going to be on top of updates as and when required. I am going for it. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 October 2009 17:40 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Yeah but is it any good? Better than Sygate? AVG? Malwarebytes? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] free http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 19 13:11:05 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:11:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Message-ID: <036f01ca50e7$86653e90$932fbbb0$@net> Hi all, I tried upgrading a Thinkpad SSHD with a larger 128GB SSHD by imaging the existing 64GB SSHD over to it. The imaging system shows everything transferred and it is bootable but the Thinkpad won't boot from it. Any ideas? John B. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 19 14:39:35 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:39:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <036f01ca50e7$86653e90$932fbbb0$@net> References: <036f01ca50e7$86653e90$932fbbb0$@net> Message-ID: <2E401D39DDF04802BE93ABA22721BCE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: If the hard drive you are copying from or to is currently running as the primary/boot drive, the boot tracks will not be copied or copied correctly which means the destination drive will not be bootable. You have to do the imaging from an external boot disk/USB/CD/DVD. That can either be done from a CD boot image of PE Builder, Clonezilla, Ghost etc. You can download a fully networkable PE builder ISO, with DriveImageXML from the following link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48dlt ..or try the Clonezilla live ISO which will also build a boot disk: http://www.clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Hi all, I tried upgrading a Thinkpad SSHD with a larger 128GB SSHD by imaging the existing 64GB SSHD over to it. The imaging system shows everything transferred and it is bootable but the Thinkpad won't boot from it. Any ideas? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 19 14:50:58 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:50:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <2E401D39DDF04802BE93ABA22721BCE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <036f01ca50e7$86653e90$932fbbb0$@net> <2E401D39DDF04802BE93ABA22721BCE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <000301ca50f5$7ae4b920$70ae2b60$@net> Jim, Thanks. But I actually removed the original disk and hooked them both to another PC to clone them. If I hook this new SSHD to another system it will attempt to boot (but can't because the hardware is so much different-I just did it to see if the disk would attempt to boot). I run into out of the ordinary issues like this with Thinkpads and I thought maybe it had to do with some bios security issue. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Hi John: If the hard drive you are copying from or to is currently running as the primary/boot drive, the boot tracks will not be copied or copied correctly which means the destination drive will not be bootable. You have to do the imaging from an external boot disk/USB/CD/DVD. That can either be done from a CD boot image of PE Builder, Clonezilla, Ghost etc. You can download a fully networkable PE builder ISO, with DriveImageXML from the following link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48dlt ..or try the Clonezilla live ISO which will also build a boot disk: http://www.clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Hi all, I tried upgrading a Thinkpad SSHD with a larger 128GB SSHD by imaging the existing 64GB SSHD over to it. The imaging system shows everything transferred and it is bootable but the Thinkpad won't boot from it. Any ideas? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 19 14:59:23 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:59:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo In-Reply-To: <4ad98eed.0a1ad00a.1c70.ffffabd3@mx.google.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> <7688070D431D4751B22AA9171F9C0E37@HAL9005> <4ad98eed.0a1ad00a.1c70.ffffabd3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <433C7035BD334CF699ABF72F35340B5D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Max: I will be incorporating this code into a clients site for fun and profit. I hope this translation effort is better that the 'Babble Fish' translator that we use on the DBA site. (I have not yet been able to find a translator that will translate between American English and the Queen's English.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Try this: http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|Bill%20of%20Material http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|work%20in%20progress Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 18:42 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Looks cool but the on-line dictionaries, which I already have bookmarked seem to be the primary feature. And those unfortunately are not too good with technical terms line bill of materials or work order. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo Rocky, I know from our previous discussions that you have multi-language software. This link (free) may help when converting English to ?? http://www.lingoversity.com/ built-in English and Spanish interface languages built-in access to 2900 online dictionaries supported translation between 970 language pairs Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 19 15:09:10 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:09:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <000301ca50f5$7ae4b920$70ae2b60$@net> References: <036f01ca50e7$86653e90$932fbbb0$@net> <2E401D39DDF04802BE93ABA22721BCE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <000301ca50f5$7ae4b920$70ae2b60$@net> Message-ID: <7D7D0C973145479B91AB6BA1FA013DF4@creativesystemdesigns.com> John: It might be a BIOS issue but why would the ThinkPad be so different but who knows. The drive could also be encrypted to the BIOS. I have heard of it but never have seen it done. I have done upgrades on Toshiba and Dell and have never has any problems. (Later this month or next month I will be upgrading a huge number of Dells. I have no idea how many but I was told I would be managing two or three other people and the task would take a week.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Jim, Thanks. But I actually removed the original disk and hooked them both to another PC to clone them. If I hook this new SSHD to another system it will attempt to boot (but can't because the hardware is so much different-I just did it to see if the disk would attempt to boot). I run into out of the ordinary issues like this with Thinkpads and I thought maybe it had to do with some bios security issue. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Hi John: If the hard drive you are copying from or to is currently running as the primary/boot drive, the boot tracks will not be copied or copied correctly which means the destination drive will not be bootable. You have to do the imaging from an external boot disk/USB/CD/DVD. That can either be done from a CD boot image of PE Builder, Clonezilla, Ghost etc. You can download a fully networkable PE builder ISO, with DriveImageXML from the following link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48dlt ..or try the Clonezilla live ISO which will also build a boot disk: http://www.clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Thinkpad Hi all, I tried upgrading a Thinkpad SSHD with a larger 128GB SSHD by imaging the existing 64GB SSHD over to it. The imaging system shows everything transferred and it is bootable but the Thinkpad won't boot from it. Any ideas? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Oct 14 20:45:16 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:45:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <001c01ca4d35$d1888130$74998390$@rr.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net><001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com> <001c01ca4d35$d1888130$74998390$@rr.com> Message-ID: <9B36019DBC724BB4B41A4CC363D75327@danwaters> I got a Sony Bravia KDL XBR 46 in December. Love it! Big sale on Amazon - $1800 + free Sony blue ray disc player. This has a matte screen - it reflects some of a bright light, by I don't really see a dim light. My favorite feature is the on-screen TV Guide! Also - don't look for a 240Hz - I read a detailed review somewhere and people can only see the difference in test patterns. The Vikings look great every week! Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In addition, my TV's retail price has dropped by about $500. I got a good deal on the TV when I got it for $1500. The Amazon price is pretty good. Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 19 15:23:42 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:23:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In-Reply-To: <9B36019DBC724BB4B41A4CC363D75327@danwaters> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005><4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <003401ca4d30$0e222c50$2a6684f0$@net><001b01ca4d35$499e3170$dcda9450$@rr.com><001c01ca4d35$d1888130$74998390$@rr.com> <9B36019DBC724BB4B41A4CC363D75327@danwaters> Message-ID: I'm told that in fast action 240 will make a difference. But what I was also told yesterday is that the response time is more important - how fast the diode can turn on and off. The TVs I looked at range from 2 to 8 ms. And 2 is noticeable better than 8. So I was told. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma I got a Sony Bravia KDL XBR 46 in December. Love it! Big sale on Amazon - $1800 + free Sony blue ray disc player. This has a matte screen - it reflects some of a bright light, by I don't really see a dim light. My favorite feature is the on-screen TV Guide! Also - don't look for a 240Hz - I read a detailed review somewhere and people can only see the difference in test patterns. The Vikings look great every week! Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LCD vs Plasma In addition, my TV's retail price has dropped by about $500. I got a good deal on the TV when I got it for $1500. The Amazon price is pretty good. Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:23:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:23:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo In-Reply-To: <433C7035BD334CF699ABF72F35340B5D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <0BAB2882D1F9429C8FC7F78B1D974E59@HAL9005> <4ad63509.1701d00a.5e1e.3723@mx.google.com> <000c01ca4d24$add26a50$09773ef0$@rr.com> <4AD694DA.6010104@gmail.com> <3CD5933E08B84A10B98B071A94A54D1A@HAL9005> <014c01ca4e61$763e9e90$62bbdbb0$@net> <4D2B7B8CA5354855A2C83418C552A5EB@HAL9005> <4ad89aa5.0707d00a.7bb8.ffffef20@mx.google.com> <1E3B032E32814F88806B35959EC70A0E@HAL9005> <4ad8aae8.1701d00a.55ec.1d53@mx.google.com> <7688070D431D4751B22AA9171F9C0E37@HAL9005> <4ad98eed.0a1ad00a.1c70.ffffabd3@mx.google.com> <433C7035BD334CF699ABF72F35340B5D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4adccadc.0338560a.0ffc.085d@mx.google.com> Hi Jim, You know that you can also do translations direct from the Google Toolbar. As regards American/British English, it is not the words so much as the spelling. Ie, Color/Colour. There is an option to "Detect Language" but it wont help with spelling. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 October 2009 20:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Max: I will be incorporating this code into a clients site for fun and profit. I hope this translation effort is better that the 'Babble Fish' translator that we use on the DBA site. (I have not yet been able to find a translator that will translate between American English and the Queen's English.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Try this: http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|Bill%20of%20Material http://www.translate.google.com/translate_t#en|be|work%20in%20progress Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 16 October 2009 18:42 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lingo Looks cool but the on-line dictionaries, which I already have bookmarked seem to be the primary feature. And those unfortunately are not too good with technical terms line bill of materials or work order. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Lingo Rocky, I know from our previous discussions that you have multi-language software. This link (free) may help when converting English to ?? http://www.lingoversity.com/ built-in English and Spanish interface languages built-in access to 2900 online dictionaries supported translation between 970 language pairs Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 04:08:56 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:08:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hosting Message-ID: Those of you looking for hosting plans may find this interesting. http://www.best10webhosting.net/?u=uk max From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 20 05:04:35 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:04:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <320DF1D442924205818757DCCC7759AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is excellent info Max. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Hosting Those of you looking for hosting plans may find this interesting. http://www.best10webhosting.net/?u=uk max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 20 05:09:21 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:09:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS SQL Reporting solutions In-Reply-To: <320DF1D442924205818757DCCC7759AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <320DF1D442924205818757DCCC7759AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <92F5DC9E36EF4F89A95D9C29330B14FE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: If any of you have been working with solving problems with MS SQL Reporting, here is a good article on various solutions http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/reporting-services/ten-common-sql-server-repo rting-services-challenges-and-solutions/?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=em ail&utm_content=ReportingServicesChallenges20091019&ut (Watch for wrap...) Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 12:57:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:57:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Message-ID: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> There we go. Future for those living in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Oct 20 13:12:14 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:12:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second half-century as they were in their first" ... and retire at 100... ;( Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 13:11:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:11:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Super-size TVs Message-ID: <4addfd95.15185e0a.7827.1798@mx.google.com> Get your large TV now, before it is too late.!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8310496.stm Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 20 October 2009 11:11 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Super-size TVs View article... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 13:17:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:17:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> Message-ID: <4addfed6.0710660a.0ee0.36d9@mx.google.com> Hmmm. More like ..." and do not draw your state pension until you have paid for it twice over..." Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 20 October 2009 19:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second half-century as they were in their first" ... and retire at 100... ;( Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 20 13:34:04 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:34:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8EDF49C140A748FE95D731B903003A44@creativesystemdesigns.com> Cyborg? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops There we go. Future for those living in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 20 16:33:52 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:33:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> Message-ID: <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over a beer last night. We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same age. We all lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None of us have and desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > half-century as they were in their first" > > ... and retire at 100... ;( > > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > > > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bgeldart at verizon.net Tue Oct 20 16:17:55 2009 From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:17:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0KRU00BYV1VWG33W@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> We are in our mid 60s dealing with parents in their 90s. Not much to look forward to... At 10/20/2009 01:57 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: >There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:09:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:09:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <9DD255E8752340A39FC488ACE8DAC32C@s1800> <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. thanks max (aka cyborg) On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over > a beer last > night. > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same > age. We all > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > of us have and > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second >> half-century as they were in their first" >> >> ... and retire at 100... ;( >> >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Wanadoo" >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops >> >> >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. >> > >> > >> > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 20 17:36:04 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:36:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg for years. On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > thanks > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over > > a beer last > > night. > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same > > age. We all > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > > of us have and > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > >> half-century as they were in their first" > >> > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > >> > >> Lembit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > >> > >> > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:40:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:40:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we eat, yes? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg for years. On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > thanks > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over > > a beer last > > night. > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same > > age. We all > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > > of us have and > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > >> half-century as they were in their first" > >> > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > >> > >> Lembit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > >> > >> > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 20 17:56:53 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:56:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ADE4035.1558.D58F146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I was about the same 15 years ago when I started exercising again, now I stay around 85Kgs. What do I eat? Anything I feel like - and probably not nearly enough fruit and vegetables, but I do take my coffee black without sugar. :-) My simple rule is - calories out need to equal calories in. It doesn't matter what you eat or drink. You need to make sure that you get enough of the essential nutrients, so you do need a mixed diet including protein, fruit, vegetables, dairy etc for the various vitamins and minerals. Once you are past the point where you have your minimum requirements of the essential elements, it doesn't matter what else you eat (fish and chips, meat pies, black forest cake, ... take your pick) - you just need to burn off the extra calories by staying active. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:40, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we > eat, yes? > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It > works for me, I > drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg > for years. > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > > > thanks > > > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject > over > > > a beer last > > > night. > > > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the > same > > > age. We all > > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. > None > > > of us have and > > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > > >> half-century as they were in their first" > > >> > > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > > >> > > >> Lembit > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > >> > > >> > > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 01:00:45 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:00:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ADE4035.1558.D58F146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ADE4035.1558.D58F146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4adea399.0a04d00a.770f.ffff8d20@mx.google.com> Sounds sensible. Thanks Stuart. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 20 October 2009 23:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops I was about the same 15 years ago when I started exercising again, now I stay around 85Kgs. What do I eat? Anything I feel like - and probably not nearly enough fruit and vegetables, but I do take my coffee black without sugar. :-) My simple rule is - calories out need to equal calories in. It doesn't matter what you eat or drink. You need to make sure that you get enough of the essential nutrients, so you do need a mixed diet including protein, fruit, vegetables, dairy etc for the various vitamins and minerals. Once you are past the point where you have your minimum requirements of the essential elements, it doesn't matter what else you eat (fish and chips, meat pies, black forest cake, ... take your pick) - you just need to burn off the extra calories by staying active. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:40, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we > eat, yes? > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It > works for me, I > drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg > for years. > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > > > thanks > > > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject > over > > > a beer last > > > night. > > > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the > same > > > age. We all > > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. > None > > > of us have and > > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > > >> half-century as they were in their first" > > >> > > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > > >> > > >> Lembit > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > >> > > >> > > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 01:57:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:57:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Switchword In-Reply-To: <4ADE4035.1558.D58F146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ADE4035.1558.D58F146@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4adeb0e2.1438560a.4cb0.1a17@mx.google.com> For those who like to program skills games. http://www.eastoftheweb.com/games/index.php?p=games/switchword/single Max From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Oct 21 10:36:29 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:36:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> References: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ADF2A7D.4050804@earthlink.net> Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 11:15:22 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:15:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4ADF2A7D.4050804@earthlink.net> References: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> <4ADF2A7D.4050804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 21 11:52:57 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:52:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> References: <4adc9272.0710660a.62d6.02bd@mx.google.com> <4ADF2A7D.4050804@earthlink.net> <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2D18480A14934B0C99675780596AACDC@creativesystemdesigns.com> It will be great to see the products paired against similar applications both free and paid for. All would be tested against a large set of current and old trojans/spamware/viruses/zombies/etc from super simple annoyances (there is actually a program you can download for free from which you can build a virus by choosing features from various popdown menus and then it can send to your friends of choice) all the way to root-kits. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 14:01:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:01:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Technology news Message-ID: <4adf5ab5.0c11660a.5218.240e@mx.google.com> Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 21 October 2009 12:41 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Technology news View article... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 14:02:34 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:02:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: What's in our food? Message-ID: <4adf5ad9.0ab6660a.02f2.1308@mx.google.com> Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 21 October 2009 13:08 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: What's in our food? View article... From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 21 22:56:21 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:56:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well the first thing is input/output. Input more calories than you burn and you store the excess as fat. So reduce calories, fat gets converted to energy, you lose weight. It's really that simple. Except... The problem is that you're hungry a lot. Which is very bad for the mood. It won't kill you but you'll be no fun. So what to do? I would recommend easting a close to unprocessed food as possible. No tins, no bags, no snacks, no prepackaged dinners, no sodas, etc. Eat raw. If you cook, cook from raw. This will probably have a side effect of reducing fat as a percent of calories. But it will also force you to look around for stuff like fruits and vegetables as a substitute for the processed food you're eating now. So you can probably keep the hungries away and still burn more calories than you're consuming. A gram of protein has 4 calories. A gram of carbohydrate has 9 calories. A gram of fat has 9 calories. You total intake of fat calories should be less than 30% of the total. 20% is better. Unfortunately there's no substitute for knowing what the calorie, fat, protein, carb, sodium content is of everything you eat. A calorie restricted diet might also be the key to living to 120 in good health, if you're a lab rat. They've shown that it works in the lab. So try living on 1200 calories a day for a couple of years. Of course, maybe you don't want to live that way for another 60 years. The flip side of the input/output thing is of course to increase output. You're en ex-military guy so you know how to exercise. Just have to find something that's entertaining and doable in that crappy climate. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we eat, yes? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg for years. On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > thanks > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over > > a beer last > > night. > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same > > age. We all > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > > of us have and > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > >> half-century as they were in their first" > >> > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > >> > >> Lembit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > >> > >> > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 01:55:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:55:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> You're absolutely right Rocky. In summary then, I can blame it on the crappy climate! ROTFL. I think I need to do a mixture of all and try to find out what is the breakdown for protein/carbs/fat for the main stuff I eat. AND exercise more! Best get this off-topic now before I get my wrist slapped. Thanks for the input. Thanks also to Stuart Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 22 October 2009 04:56 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Well the first thing is input/output. Input more calories than you burn and you store the excess as fat. So reduce calories, fat gets converted to energy, you lose weight. It's really that simple. Except... The problem is that you're hungry a lot. Which is very bad for the mood. It won't kill you but you'll be no fun. So what to do? I would recommend easting a close to unprocessed food as possible. No tins, no bags, no snacks, no prepackaged dinners, no sodas, etc. Eat raw. If you cook, cook from raw. This will probably have a side effect of reducing fat as a percent of calories. But it will also force you to look around for stuff like fruits and vegetables as a substitute for the processed food you're eating now. So you can probably keep the hungries away and still burn more calories than you're consuming. A gram of protein has 4 calories. A gram of carbohydrate has 9 calories. A gram of fat has 9 calories. You total intake of fat calories should be less than 30% of the total. 20% is better. Unfortunately there's no substitute for knowing what the calorie, fat, protein, carb, sodium content is of everything you eat. A calorie restricted diet might also be the key to living to 120 in good health, if you're a lab rat. They've shown that it works in the lab. So try living on 1200 calories a day for a couple of years. Of course, maybe you don't want to live that way for another 60 years. The flip side of the input/output thing is of course to increase output. You're en ex-military guy so you know how to exercise. Just have to find something that's entertaining and doable in that crappy climate. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we eat, yes? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg for years. On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need > to loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do > pull ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a > non-alcoholic bar which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > thanks > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same subject over > > a beer last > > night. > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at the same > > age. We all > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > > of us have and > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their second > >> half-century as they were in their first" > >> > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > >> > >> Lembit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > >> > >> > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 22 08:20:40 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:20:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com>, <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> And now the bad news: http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/CollegeStudents/calculator/alcoholc alc.aspx And why? http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/alcohol.htm But you can always find a study to suit your preferences: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Alcoholcaloriesandweight.html Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops You're absolutely right Rocky. In summary then, I can blame it on the crappy climate! ROTFL. I think I need to do a mixture of all and try to find out what is the breakdown for protein/carbs/fat for the main stuff I eat. AND exercise more! Best get this off-topic now before I get my wrist slapped. Thanks for the input. Thanks also to Stuart Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 22 October 2009 04:56 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Well the first thing is input/output. Input more calories than you burn and you store the excess as fat. So reduce calories, fat gets converted to energy, you lose weight. It's really that simple. Except... The problem is that you're hungry a lot. Which is very bad for the mood. It won't kill you but you'll be no fun. So what to do? I would recommend easting a close to unprocessed food as possible. No tins, no bags, no snacks, no prepackaged dinners, no sodas, etc. Eat raw. If you cook, cook from raw. This will probably have a side effect of reducing fat as a percent of calories. But it will also force you to look around for stuff like fruits and vegetables as a substitute for the processed food you're eating now. So you can probably keep the hungries away and still burn more calories than you're consuming. A gram of protein has 4 calories. A gram of carbohydrate has 9 calories. A gram of fat has 9 calories. You total intake of fat calories should be less than 30% of the total. 20% is better. Unfortunately there's no substitute for knowing what the calorie, fat, protein, carb, sodium content is of everything you eat. A calorie restricted diet might also be the key to living to 120 in good health, if you're a lab rat. They've shown that it works in the lab. So try living on 1200 calories a day for a couple of years. Of course, maybe you don't want to live that way for another 60 years. The flip side of the input/output thing is of course to increase output. You're en ex-military guy so you know how to exercise. Just have to find something that's entertaining and doable in that crappy climate. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we eat, yes? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've stayed around 85Kg for years. On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL > > Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. > > Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet > style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need to > loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do pull > ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a non-alcoholic bar > which I use daily (for my pull ups). > > Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of > lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. > > thanks > > max (aka cyborg) > > > > On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same > > subject over > > a beer last > > night. > > > > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at > > the same > > age. We all > > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. None > > of us have and > > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their > >> second half-century as they were in their first" > >> > >> ... and retire at 100... ;( > >> > >> Lembit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Max Wanadoo" > >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > >> > >> > >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 08:41:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:41:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> Message-ID: well, that has cheered me up....not! I think I will go to the pub and think about it... max On 22/10/2009, Rocky Smolin wrote: > And now the bad news: > > http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/CollegeStudents/calculator/alcoholc > alc.aspx > > And why? > > http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/alcohol.htm > > But you can always find a study to suit your preferences: > > http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Alcoholcaloriesandweight.html > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > You're absolutely right Rocky. In summary then, I can blame it on the > crappy climate! ROTFL. > > I think I need to do a mixture of all and try to find out what is the > breakdown for protein/carbs/fat for the main stuff I eat. AND exercise > more! > > Best get this off-topic now before I get my wrist slapped. Thanks for the > input. > > Thanks also to Stuart > > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 22 October 2009 04:56 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > Well the first thing is input/output. Input more calories than you burn and > you store the excess as fat. So reduce calories, fat gets converted to > energy, you lose weight. It's really that simple. Except... > > The problem is that you're hungry a lot. Which is very bad for the mood. > It won't kill you but you'll be no fun. So what to do? > > I would recommend easting a close to unprocessed food as possible. No > tins, no bags, no snacks, no prepackaged dinners, no sodas, etc. Eat raw. > If you cook, cook from raw. This will probably have a side effect of > reducing fat as a percent of calories. But it will also force you to look > around for stuff like fruits and vegetables as a substitute for the > processed food you're eating now. So you can probably keep the hungries > away and still burn more calories than you're consuming. > > A gram of protein has 4 calories. > A gram of carbohydrate has 9 calories. > A gram of fat has 9 calories. > > You total intake of fat calories should be less than 30% of the total. 20% > is better. > > Unfortunately there's no substitute for knowing what the calorie, fat, > protein, carb, sodium content is of everything you eat. A calorie > restricted diet might also be the key to living to 120 in good health, if > you're a lab rat. They've shown that it works in the lab. So try living on > 1200 calories a day for a couple of years. Of course, maybe you don't want > to live that way for another 60 years. > > The flip side of the input/output thing is of course to increase output. > You're en ex-military guy so you know how to exercise. Just have to find > something that's entertaining and doable in that crappy climate. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:41 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > Yeah, I am 98 Kgs....walking wont do it. What do you EAT. We are what we > eat, yes? > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 20 October 2009 23:36 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > > Start walking! A couple of brisk 5 - 7 km walks a week will do wonders. It > works for me, I drink a fair bit and don't worry about my diet - but I've > stayed around 85Kg > for years. > > > On 20 Oct 2009 at 23:09, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> "Over a beer". Right, that's a good start LOL >> >> Serious question now guys, Girls switch off here. >> >> Now 65, belly getting too big. Back suspect. Need a "reasonable" diet >> style of living that I can do for myself without being a Fad. Need to >> loose the belly before it "grows". Muscles fairly good. Can do pull >> ups etc. Have a bar which I use daily. also have a non-alcoholic bar >> which I use daily (for my pull ups). >> >> Any "sensible" suggestions welcome. Do not suggest change of >> lifestyle, rather a more sensible style of eating, sort of thing. >> >> thanks >> >> max (aka cyborg) >> >> >> >> On 20/10/2009, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> > A bunch of us in our late 50's and 60's were discssing the same >> > subject > over >> > a beer last >> > night. >> > >> > We all reckon we are in *far* better shape than our fathers were at >> > the > same >> > age. We all >> > lead active lives and intend to do so for a great many years to come. > None >> > of us have and >> > desire to "retire" - we all enjoy what we are doing too much. >> > >> > -- >> > Stuart >> > >> > >> > On 20 Oct 2009 at 20:12, Lembit Soobik wrote: >> > >> >> "to ensure that people can continue being as active during their >> >> second half-century as they were in their first" >> >> >> >> ... and retire at 100... ;( >> >> >> >> Lembit >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Max Wanadoo" >> >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57 PM >> >> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops >> >> >> >> >> >> > There we go. Future for those living in the UK. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314442.stm >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dba-Tech mailing list >> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 11:35:32 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:35:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Breen Date: 2009/10/22 Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Hello Max, As an Irish guy that was drinking beer, wine and whiskey for 24 years, I have an additional suggestion to make. As an experiment two years ago, I gave up drinking. I assumed that my life would be crappy, and I would not feel much different. What I did not expect was that I experienced all upside, and no downside. So not want to bore anyone but I am a normal enough guy, living a normal enough life, and all is the same as before, except I do not drink. In fact, I do not even think about it. I can go out to dinner, or to weddings or parties and happily drink sparkling water and once I passed in the initial 3 months of missing it, I never even think about it. My wife has a glass of wine and I just order sparkling. Honestly I wish I tried it when I was younger. On last comment, When I stopped, I did stop going to the pub, and yes that does create a vacumn, but guess what, you find something else that fills that space and the something else can be great. Cheers, Mine's a water BTW Mark 2009/10/22 Max Wanadoo well, that has cheered me up....not! > > I think I will go to the pub and think about it... > > max > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:12:53 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:12:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] google street view Message-ID: <4ae092b2.0d375e0a.3c54.6b3e@mx.google.com> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1922981 Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:17:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:17:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <4ADE2CC0.25787.D0CEF04@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ae093d2.11435e0a.15f6.437a@mx.google.com> Haha thanks Mark, I actually drink very little beer or larger - maybe 1 pint a week - True! I drink mostly vodka and soda water as an alcoholic drink. And then not every day. I do drink lots of tea and coffee though. I never drink coke, pepsi, or any "soft" drink. I don't eat sweets, chocs etc. I prefer savoury to sweet. I think it is more a "life style" problem. I need to get away from the keyboard and out into the open air - but as Rocky correctly pointed out, the weather here is crappy! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 22 October 2009 17:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: FW: Hang in there pops ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Breen Date: 2009/10/22 Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Hello Max, As an Irish guy that was drinking beer, wine and whiskey for 24 years, I have an additional suggestion to make. As an experiment two years ago, I gave up drinking. I assumed that my life would be crappy, and I would not feel much different. What I did not expect was that I experienced all upside, and no downside. So not want to bore anyone but I am a normal enough guy, living a normal enough life, and all is the same as before, except I do not drink. In fact, I do not even think about it. I can go out to dinner, or to weddings or parties and happily drink sparkling water and once I passed in the initial 3 months of missing it, I never even think about it. My wife has a glass of wine and I just order sparkling. Honestly I wish I tried it when I was younger. On last comment, When I stopped, I did stop going to the pub, and yes that does create a vacumn, but guess what, you find something else that fills that space and the something else can be great. Cheers, Mine's a water BTW Mark 2009/10/22 Max Wanadoo well, that has cheered me up....not! > > I think I will go to the pub and think about it... > > max > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:20:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:20:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline Message-ID: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October 2009 15:31 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Bumblebee decline Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? View article... From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:47:23 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:47:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: FW: Hang in there pops In-Reply-To: <4ae093d2.11435e0a.15f6.437a@mx.google.com> References: <4addfa23.0e0f660a.7f15.06d7@mx.google.com> <4ADE3B54.7014.D45DFA9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ade3c7c.0707d00a.17b2.5852@mx.google.com> <4ae00202.0c135e0a.2c10.7a69@mx.google.com> <3E3E218FBE364CE688F4AB9AF9DECAD2@HAL9005> <4ae093d2.11435e0a.15f6.437a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Max, Well, in Ireland, the weather is even more crappy, but as my wife says, "We are not Disprins" I find that I wrote more software when I go for a walk in the moring, having said that, I do not go every day, but I am trying to go four - five times per week, do not make it every week. Cheers, Mark 2009/10/22 Max Wanadoo > Haha thanks Mark, > > I actually drink very little beer or larger - maybe 1 pint a week - True! > > I drink mostly vodka and soda water as an alcoholic drink. And then not > every day. I do drink lots of tea and coffee though. > > I never drink coke, pepsi, or any "soft" drink. I don't eat sweets, chocs > etc. I prefer savoury to sweet. > > I think it is more a "life style" problem. I need to get away from the > keyboard and out into the open air - but as Rocky correctly pointed out, > the weather here is crappy! > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 22 October 2009 17:36 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: FW: Hang in there pops > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mark Breen > Date: 2009/10/22 > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Hang in there pops > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > > Hello Max, > As an Irish guy that was drinking beer, wine and whiskey for 24 years, I > have an additional suggestion to make. > > As an experiment two years ago, I gave up drinking. I assumed that my life > would be crappy, and I would not feel much different. What I did not > expect > was that I experienced all upside, and no downside. > > So not want to bore anyone but I am a normal enough guy, living a normal > enough life, and all is the same as before, except I do not drink. In > fact, > I do not even think about it. > > I can go out to dinner, or to weddings or parties and happily drink > sparkling water and once I passed in the initial 3 months of missing it, I > never even think about it. My wife has a glass of wine and I just order > sparkling. > > Honestly I wish I tried it when I was younger. > > On last comment, When I stopped, I did stop going to the pub, and yes that > does create a vacumn, but guess what, you find something else that fills > that space and the something else can be great. > > Cheers, > > Mine's a water BTW > > Mark > > > 2009/10/22 Max Wanadoo > > well, that has cheered me up....not! > > > > I think I will go to the pub and think about it... > > > > max > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:53:30 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:53:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anyone suggest a Windows good client for mySQL Message-ID: Hello All, I have to assist a friend tomorrow in connecting to a mySQL database and starting to build some queries. I intend to show him the differences between writing queries in MS Access when linked to mySQL, and using pass-through queries within Access. I will also be explaining the benefits of having a few views created also. What I am looking for is a Windows based GUI tool that would connect to mySQL and allow him to build queries with click and drag like SSMS or Access does. This evening I have downloaded and installed two tools, one is the default GUI as shipped by mySQL and another is named EnginSite. Both seem, on initial looking anyway, to to allow me to drag a few fields from a table, but they do not seems to allow me to drag two or three tables and for the joins to be done in the GUI. Would anyone have any suggestions? TIA for your time, Mark From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 14:32:07 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:32:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline In-Reply-To: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 22 October 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 22 14:40:12 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:40:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock thing really ruins your whole day. Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field of clover somewhere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 22 14:59:27 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:59:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 Today In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi All: You can now download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/ee364693.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock thing really ruins your whole day. Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field of clover somewhere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Oct 22 15:27:34 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:27:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you treat the ground early in the Spring that should keep them away. Last year I had a nest in the stone wall in front of the house, treated the ground early and they didn't come back this year. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 15:53:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:53:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 Today In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae0c649.0707d00a.5824.ffffefb1@mx.google.com> Worth reading this Jim, http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/3/B5379D88-51D7-4240-9423-CE14275 02784/VS2010Beta2Readme.htm all sorts of issues to be aware of. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 October 2009 20:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 Today Hi All: You can now download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/ee364693.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock thing really ruins your whole day. Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field of clover somewhere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 15:54:31 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:54:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: According to most of the website research I have done they only use a nest for one year. http://www.pestproducts.com/bumble-bees.htm says this... "The queen bumble bee comes out of hibernation every spring to find a new spot to build her nest and start a new colony. This queen bee was fertilized the previous season and has managed to live through the winter months. The same nesting spot (from previous seasons) are rarely used. A suitable place for nesting is usually on the ground, beneath a flat object. An old mouse hole or similar hole in the ground is preferred if it is underneath an old tarp, flat stone or man made objects such as a deck. The hole chosen by the queen bee is first padded by pieces of vegetation such as dry grass or moss." So I'm hoping that is the case and they will be someplace else next year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > If you treat the ground early in the Spring that should keep them away. > Last year I had a nest in the stone wall in front of the house, treated > the ground early and they didn't come back this year. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:32 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline > > I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was > wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are > valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals > who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. > > I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that > they won't be tolerated another year. > > GK > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Max >> >> >> >> Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > >> 2009 15:31 >> Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content >> Subject: Bumblebee decline >> >> >> >> >> Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't > touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can > anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? >> >> >> View article... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 15:59:11 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:59:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: These are not the kind of bees that beekeepers deal with. Those are a different animal. Supposedly they don't use the same nest over again. But they may have a nest CLOSE to the previous one. So we won't know until spring if we are free of them for 2010. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock > thing really ruins your whole day. > > Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field > of clover somewhere. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline > > I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was > wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are > valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who > attacked me and my wife. Self defense. > > I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that > they won't be tolerated another year. > > GK > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Max >> >> >> >> Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October >> 2009 15:31 >> Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content >> Subject: Bumblebee decline >> >> >> >> >> Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, > but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done > to halt or reverse their decline? >> >> >> View article... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 22 17:55:07 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:55:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2Today In-Reply-To: <4ae0c649.0707d00a.5824.ffffefb1@mx.google.com> References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> <4ae0c649.0707d00a.5824.ffffefb1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Just because a program does not play well with others, not even itself, requires half a dozen registry hacks, is virtually incompatible with everything, takes more resources than a network and ships with a manual that is more focused on just getting the thing running than actually using it does not mean it is not ready for prime time Max. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2Today Worth reading this Jim, http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/3/B5379D88-51D7-4240-9423-CE14275 02784/VS2010Beta2Readme.htm all sorts of issues to be aware of. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 October 2009 20:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 Today Hi All: You can now download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/ee364693.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock thing really ruins your whole day. Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field of clover somewhere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 02:02:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:02:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2Today In-Reply-To: References: <4ae09481.11435e0a.15f6.442d@mx.google.com> <4ae0c649.0707d00a.5824.ffffefb1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae15533.0c58560a.1fb6.ffffb2d7@mx.google.com> Indeed, but programs as you describe normally come with a high price tag and a support team staffed by people who do not know how it works! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 October 2009 23:55 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2Today Just because a program does not play well with others, not even itself, requires half a dozen registry hacks, is virtually incompatible with everything, takes more resources than a network and ships with a manual that is more focused on just getting the thing running than actually using it does not mean it is not ready for prime time Max. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2Today Worth reading this Jim, http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/3/B5379D88-51D7-4240-9423-CE14275 02784/VS2010Beta2Readme.htm all sorts of issues to be aware of. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 October 2009 20:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 Today Hi All: You can now download Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/ee364693.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline One nest more or less won't make a difference but that anaphylactic shock thing really ruins your whole day. Maybe you can call a local beekeeper and have them relocated to a nice field of clover somewhere. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Bumblebee decline I had a nest of Bumblebees living under my front step all summer. Was wishing they would go away but I didn't disturb them as I know they are valuable to the environment. I did have to take out a couple individuals who attacked me and my wife. Self defense. I'm hoping they find a new home next year. My wife Marty has stated that they won't be tolerated another year. GK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 22 October > 2009 15:31 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Bumblebee decline > > > > > Bumblebees pollinate many crops and flowers that honeybees don't touch, but like them have suffered similar 'colony collapse'. Can anything be done to halt or reverse their decline? > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 02:10:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:10:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Message-ID: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 23 08:35:19 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:35:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access In-Reply-To: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> References: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 08:42:47 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:42:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access In-Reply-To: References: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> Woah, Lambert. I have just heard what I *think* is disturbing news. If I upgrade to Windows 7, do I have to also upgrade to Office 2007? I would like to keep 2003 without having to go into XP Compatability mode. And does the 32bit or 64bit have any bearing on this. This is turning out to be a minefield? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 14:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Oct 23 08:59:51 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:59:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access In-Reply-To: <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> References: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: According to this 200x SP3 is compatible. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/Details.aspx?type=Software&p=Microsoft%20Office%20Word%202003%20Service%20Pack%203&v=Microsoft&uid=11&pf=6&pi=8&c=Business%20%26%20Home%20Office&sc=Office%20Suites&os=32-bit This is page 7 of the MS 'Business and Home Office' page on the compatibility site. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/default.aspx Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Woah, Lambert. I have just heard what I *think* is disturbing news. If I upgrade to Windows 7, do I have to also upgrade to Office 2007? I would like to keep 2003 without having to go into XP Compatability mode. And does the 32bit or 64bit have any bearing on this. This is turning out to be a minefield? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 14:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:02:23 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:02:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access In-Reply-To: References: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1b781.09cc660a.1a17.ffff9b27@mx.google.com> Thank you Lambert! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 15:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access According to this 200x SP3 is compatible. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/Details.aspx? type=Software&p=Microsoft%20Office%20Word%202003%20Service%20Pack%203&v=Micr osoft&uid=11&pf=6&pi=8&c=Business%20%26%20Home%20Office&sc=Office%20Suites&o s=32-bit This is page 7 of the MS 'Business and Home Office' page on the compatibility site. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/default.aspx Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Woah, Lambert. I have just heard what I *think* is disturbing news. If I upgrade to Windows 7, do I have to also upgrade to Office 2007? I would like to keep 2003 without having to go into XP Compatability mode. And does the 32bit or 64bit have any bearing on this. This is turning out to be a minefield? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 14:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:07:00 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:07:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Message-ID: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Well, isn?t this spot on! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Clock change View article... From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 09:39:29 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:39:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No no no, I LIKE being different to Europe. We invented standard time, we SHOULD be different to everyone else! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Well, isn't this spot on! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Clock change View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:41:45 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:41:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c0bb.09cc660a.1a17.ffffb818@mx.google.com> Jon, you ARE different. Trust me! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change No no no, I LIKE being different to Europe. We invented standard time, we SHOULD be different to everyone else! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:07 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Well, isn't this spot on! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Clock change View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:45:44 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:45:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c1ab.02e2660a.6590.ffffd513@mx.google.com> Jon: If you saw Country file this week (on BBC1), you would have seen the cows milking themselves. Some farms have installed a machine whereby the cows, when they feel the udder full, make their OWN WAY to this particular barn and stand in the right place whereby a robot milking machine attaches "milkers" to the teats and milks the cow without any human being there. Apparently milk yield has gone up 40% and the quality of the milk has gone up as well as the cow are no longer distressed waiting to be milked. Apparently, "normal" cows get milked twice a day by humans. When the cow is left to its own, it milks itself FOUR times a day. Do we even need farmers? AND, more importantly do we need Winter time? Max No no no, I LIKE being different to Europe. We invented standard time, we SHOULD be different to everyone else! Jon /www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Oct 23 09:48:05 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:48:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net> Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn?t this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:49:05 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:49:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Message-ID: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:49:45 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:49:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Message-ID: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:51:23 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:51:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> Drop the "sideways" and I would agree LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 15:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn?t this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:53:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:53:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 09:55:54 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:55:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net> <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I thought Irish time flowed slowly into a pint glass... and was worth the wait! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Drop the "sideways" and I would agree LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 15:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn't this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October > 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: > 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 09:55:45 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:55:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net>, <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> It stands still! martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com] Sent: 23 October 2009 15:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Drop the "sideways" and I would agree LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 15:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn?t this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:57:17 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:57:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What's available. Susan H. >> collaborative choices > > What does this mean? > I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office > users. > What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility > besides the following: > > Office Live Workspace > SharePoint > The Cloud > Goggle Docs > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 09:57:31 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:57:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:58:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:58:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net>, <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4ae1c4af.06e2660a.6be0.24ee@mx.google.com> Nope! It flows....oooohhh, the Guinness, the Guinness,... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 23 October 2009 15:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change It stands still! martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com] Sent: 23 October 2009 15:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Drop the "sideways" and I would agree LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 15:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn't this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:59:29 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net> <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c4e6.0e0f660a.7713.ffffb0cf@mx.google.com> Spot on! That's a first, Jon LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change I thought Irish time flowed slowly into a pint glass... and was worth the wait! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Drop the "sideways" and I would agree LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 15:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Max, Every tribe must have its own time zone! But remember that Irish time flows sideways. P. ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, isn't this spot on! > > > > Max > > > > Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October > 2009 13:50 > Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content > Subject: Clock change > > > > > > > View article... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2453 - Release Date: > 10/23/09 06:56:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 09:59:50 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:59:50 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Message-ID: Hi Susan Groove. And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there accessible by computers via the Internet. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 23-10-2009 16:49 >>> I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:00:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:00:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c509.0baa660a.3b91.1cd3@mx.google.com> Coffee, tea, vodka or water. Your choice. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices What's available. Susan H. >> collaborative choices > > What does this mean? > I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office > users. > What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility > besides the following: > > Office Live Workspace > SharePoint > The Cloud > Goggle Docs > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:00:59 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:00:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com> Oh,sorry see what you mean. But I still don't understand the phraseology "collaborative choices". Sound weird. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices What's available. Susan H. >> collaborative choices > > What does this mean? > I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office > users. > What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility > besides the following: > > Office Live Workspace > SharePoint > The Cloud > Goggle Docs > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:03:53 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:03:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: Message-ID: <3181FE3A33724208B9337FCD117B5364@SusanOne> > Hi Susan > > Groove. > > And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there > accessible by computers via the Internet. =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that one. Thanks! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:05:17 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> collaboratative? Susan H. > Oh,sorry see what you mean. But I still don't understand the phraseology > "collaborative choices". Sound weird. > > What's available. > > Susan H. > > >>> collaborative choices >> >> What does this mean? > >> I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office >> users. >> What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility >> besides the following: >> >> Office Live Workspace >> SharePoint >> The Cloud >> Goggle Docs >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:05:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:05:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:08:02 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:08:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com> <6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> Message-ID: You're just being silly now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices collaboratative? Susan H. > Oh,sorry see what you mean. But I still don't understand the > phraseology "collaborative choices". Sound weird. > > What's available. > > Susan H. > > >>> collaborative choices >> >> What does this mean? > >> I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office >> users. >> What else is out there for Office users who need this type of >> flexibility besides the following: >> >> Office Live Workspace >> SharePoint >> The Cloud >> Goggle Docs >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:09:48 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:09:48 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not really... Just somewhere where you can keep everything together but without having to give access to your network to external clients, and vice versa. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:11:21 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne><4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com><4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com><6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> Message-ID: I haven't a funny bone in my body!!!!!!! ;) Susan H. > You're just being silly now :-) > > collaboratative? > >> Oh,sorry see what you mean. But I still don't understand the >> phraseology "collaborative choices". Sound weird. > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:11:33 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:11:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Does this help? "What is SharePoint? Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 is an integrated suite of server capabilities that can help improve organizational effectiveness by providing comprehensive content management and enterprise search, accelerating shared business processes, and facilitating information-sharing across boundaries for better business insight. Additionally, this collaboration and content management server provides IT professionals and developers with the platform and tools they need for server administration, application extensibility, and interoperability." http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/Pages/Default.aspx Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:13:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:13:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> Ummm, that doesn't sound very exciting. What happens if we have OUR.XLS on "somewhere" and I decide to work on it and you do too a few minutes later. How does "Collaborative Choices" handle that? Clearly, I am off the pace here! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Not really... Just somewhere where you can keep everything together but without having to give access to your network to external clients, and vice versa. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:15:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:15:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1c892.08b6660a.49a7.34a4@mx.google.com> Obviously NOT written by a Brit. You tell me Jon, then I will understand. Couple of sentances. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Does this help? "What is SharePoint? Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 is an integrated suite of server capabilities that can help improve organizational effectiveness by providing comprehensive content management and enterprise search, accelerating shared business processes, and facilitating information-sharing across boundaries for better business insight. Additionally, this collaboration and content management server provides IT professionals and developers with the platform and tools they need for server administration, application extensibility, and interoperability." http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/Pages/Default.aspx Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:19:59 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:19:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't know, to be honest. I just create sites and assign users. Don't have to actually use them myself. I'd imagine that it's similar to how it would work on a normal network, either the document is shared, or it says "Someone else has this file open, would you like to view it as read-only?" Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:14 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ummm, that doesn't sound very exciting. What happens if we have OUR.XLS on "somewhere" and I decide to work on it and you do too a few minutes later. How does "Collaborative Choices" handle that? Clearly, I am off the pace here! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Not really... Just somewhere where you can keep everything together but without having to give access to your network to external clients, and vice versa. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:20:05 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c892.08b6660a.49a7.34a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01CED60DD70E4071AB352821A8FB74C2@SusanOne> Jon... he's setting you up. :) Susan H. > Obviously NOT written by a Brit. You tell me Jon, then I will understand. > > Couple of sentances. > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 10:28:06 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:28:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access In-Reply-To: <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> References: <4ae156e1.0710660a.326a.2e35@mx.google.com> <4ae1b2e9.1ade660a.584d.2b9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <84ABA70B24374D45A282529C35481FC2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Think virtual drives Max. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 6:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Woah, Lambert. I have just heard what I *think* is disturbing news. If I upgrade to Windows 7, do I have to also upgrade to Office 2007? I would like to keep 2003 without having to go into XP Compatability mode. And does the 32bit or 64bit have any bearing on this. This is turning out to be a minefield? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 14:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:29:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:29:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1cbda.07a5660a.0fc0.2ec6@mx.google.com> So, where does the "collaborative" bit come in. Even reading the verbiage from MS, I am at a loss to understand what this new "thing" offers (sorry, for the lack of words, but I think you will know its Friday and my brain is running down..) There has to be a Marketing Strategy here to get people to buy-in to it, so what is it actually offering? Susan: I am NOT winding Jon up, thank you. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I don't know, to be honest. I just create sites and assign users. Don't have to actually use them myself. I'd imagine that it's similar to how it would work on a normal network, either the document is shared, or it says "Someone else has this file open, would you like to view it as read-only?" Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:14 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ummm, that doesn't sound very exciting. What happens if we have OUR.XLS on "somewhere" and I decide to work on it and you do too a few minutes later. How does "Collaborative Choices" handle that? Clearly, I am off the pace here! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Not really... Just somewhere where you can keep everything together but without having to give access to your network to external clients, and vice versa. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:28 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Think virtual drives Max. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 6:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Woah, Lambert. I have just heard what I *think* is disturbing news. If I upgrade to Windows 7, do I have to also upgrade to Office 2007? I would like to keep 2003 without having to go into XP Compatability mode. And does the 32bit or 64bit have any bearing on this. This is turning out to be a minefield? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 23 October 2009 14:35 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Try here http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html Says that there are drivers for Access. I'm guessing its ODBC drivers. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Office and Access Does anybody have an info with regard to using Open Office in place of MS Office, particularly with regard to integrating Access into it in the same way as you can with Word and Excel? Thanks Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 10:31:56 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:31:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ...In the name of convenience and compatibility. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change Well, isn't this spot on! Max Feed: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Posted on: 23 October 2009 13:50 Author: BBC (UK) Homepage main promotional content Subject: Clock change View article... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 23 10:35:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:35:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne><4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com><4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com><6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> Message-ID: What about your humerus? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I haven't a funny bone in my body!!!!!!! ;) Susan H. > You're just being silly now :-) > > collaboratative? > >> Oh,sorry see what you mean. But I still don't understand the >> phraseology "collaborative choices". Sound weird. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 10:36:48 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:36:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 10:38:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:38:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8E9AEA900B8444BBB6848DDC1AF637C7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is tht not one of the reasons for Google Wave? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Oct 23 10:38:21 2009 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:38:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net>, <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE1CDED.3030401@earthlink.net> > It stands still! Since St Patrick in the south, 1691 in the north. P. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:38:19 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:38:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne><4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com><4ae1c540.09cc660a.78ab.ffffe752@mx.google.com><6DB139509AB64A3AAAB24837662A0B71@SusanOne> Message-ID: <6901B3487D764DC7BC456753182322EA@SusanOne> My editors say I don't have one! ;) Susan H. > What about your humerus? > > > I haven't a funny bone in my body!!!!!!! ;) > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:39:10 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:39:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> <4ae1cbda.07a5660a.0fc0.2ec6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Because users "collaborate" on the same files? Max... put down the pint... leave the pub... :) Susan H. > So, where does the "collaborative" bit come in. Even reading the verbiage > from MS, I am at a loss to understand what this new "thing" offers (sorry, > for the lack of words, but I think you will know its Friday and my brain > is > running down..) There has to be a Marketing Strategy here to get people > to > buy-in to it, so what is it actually offering? > > Susan: I am NOT winding Jon up, thank you. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:40:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:40:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ae1ce6d.0710660a.2c6c.40c2@mx.google.com> We don't do lynching...your confusing us with USA. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:40:48 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:40:48 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <8E9AEA900B8444BBB6848DDC1AF637C7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <8E9AEA900B8444BBB6848DDC1AF637C7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I think so, but Sharepoint has been out for years. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Is tht not one of the reasons for Google Wave? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:42:17 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:42:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <4ae1cbda.07a5660a.0fc0.2ec6@mx.google.com> References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> <4ae1cbda.07a5660a.0fc0.2ec6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Because you can "collaborate" on the same project stuff together. I vaguely understand how it works, and what you use it for, but it's kinda hard to explain. We have lots of sharepoints set up, and you can restrict users to only being able to see the ones they want. I suppose it's like your file server but with the correct permissions on each folder or drive (and god knows how often that happens!) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:29 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices So, where does the "collaborative" bit come in. Even reading the verbiage from MS, I am at a loss to understand what this new "thing" offers (sorry, for the lack of words, but I think you will know its Friday and my brain is running down..) There has to be a Marketing Strategy here to get people to buy-in to it, so what is it actually offering? Susan: I am NOT winding Jon up, thank you. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I don't know, to be honest. I just create sites and assign users. Don't have to actually use them myself. I'd imagine that it's similar to how it would work on a normal network, either the document is shared, or it says "Someone else has this file open, would you like to view it as read-only?" Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:14 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ummm, that doesn't sound very exciting. What happens if we have OUR.XLS on "somewhere" and I decide to work on it and you do too a few minutes later. How does "Collaborative Choices" handle that? Clearly, I am off the pace here! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Not really... Just somewhere where you can keep everything together but without having to give access to your network to external clients, and vice versa. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Ah, right. Something like version control. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices These are ways that more than one person can use the same documents without necessarily being in the same building, domain or network, or needing to email them backwards and forwards, thereby removing the likelihood of creating multiple copies of documents, and not knowing which one is the current version. At least, that's what we use sharepoint for... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices > collaborative choices What does this mean? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 15:50 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I'll be running a poll next week on collaborative choices for Office users. What else is out there for Office users who need this type of flexibility besides the following: Office Live Workspace SharePoint The Cloud Goggle Docs Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:47:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:47:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having secret laws. Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but they were all GREAT BRITAINS! Rant over! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:48:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:48:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <257083B8891742EDB1A9419E9EC8FFFB@SusanOne> <4ae1c36a.190c660a.67b5.ffff9fb0@mx.google.com> <4ae1c663.0af5660a.5cce.081c@mx.google.com> <4ae1c840.0aa1660a.09fc.ffffe7d8@mx.google.com> <4ae1cbda.07a5660a.0fc0.2ec6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1d06a.0aaa660a.78f8.2991@mx.google.com> Oh, if I must... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 16:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Because users "collaborate" on the same files? Max... put down the pint... leave the pub... :) Susan H. > So, where does the "collaborative" bit come in. Even reading the verbiage > from MS, I am at a loss to understand what this new "thing" offers (sorry, > for the lack of words, but I think you will know its Friday and my brain > is > running down..) There has to be a Marketing Strategy here to get people > to > buy-in to it, so what is it actually offering? > > Susan: I am NOT winding Jon up, thank you. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Oct 23 10:50:33 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:50:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <3181FE3A33724208B9337FCD117B5364@SusanOne> References: <3181FE3A33724208B9337FCD117B5364@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4AE1D0C9.3050205@torchlake.com> Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can raise the issue. T Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Groove. >> >> And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there >> accessible by computers via the Internet. >> > > =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa > will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that > one. > > Thanks! > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:51:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:51:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change In-Reply-To: <4AE1CDED.3030401@earthlink.net> References: <4ae1b897.0c11660a.0d51.ffffad35@mx.google.com> <4AE1C225.80409@earthlink.net>, <4ae1c2fd.190c660a.67b5.ffff9e92@mx.google.com> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <4AE1CDED.3030401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4ae1d12c.190c660a.67b5.ffffc150@mx.google.com> Peter, I bow to your greater understanding of the time line in the wee land across the Irish Sea (latitude of 53 o 00' N and longitude of 8 o 00' W. to be more precise) Max http://www.mapsofworld.com/lat_long/ireland-lat-long.html -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 23 October 2009 16:38 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Clock change > It stands still! Since St Patrick in the south, 1691 in the north. P. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 23 10:52:14 2009 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:52:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That'll get you put on a list somewhere... But I heartily agree! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having secret laws. Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but they were all GREAT BRITAINS! Rant over! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:55:33 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:55:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae1d208.0aec660a.2a7e.ffffdb8d@mx.google.com> So, you have now joined me on that list...lol.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT That'll get you put on a list somewhere... But I heartily agree! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having secret laws. Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but they were all GREAT BRITAINS! Rant over! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 10:56:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:56:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Message-ID: Hi Tina Bad advice I think. What should Susan write about this related to MS Office and the subject other than some chit-chat not useful for anyone? /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 23-10-2009 17:50 >>> Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can raise the issue. T Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Groove. >> >> And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there >> accessible by computers via the Internet. >> > > =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa > will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that > one. > > Thanks! > > Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 10:59:12 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:59:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Message-ID: Hi Max That list is the OT list. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 17:55 >>> So, you have now joined me on that list...lol.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT That'll get you put on a list somewhere... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:00:33 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:00:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae1d334.02a1660a.1486.ffffb571@mx.google.com> Oooohhh. Stands back, folds arms and goes into "Watch and enjoy mode" Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:57 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Tina Bad advice I think. What should Susan write about this related to MS Office and the subject other than some chit-chat not useful for anyone? /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 23-10-2009 17:50 >>> Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can raise the issue. T Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Groove. >> >> And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there >> accessible by computers via the Internet. >> > > =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa > will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that > one. > > Thanks! > > Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:02:45 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:02:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae1d3b7.06e2660a.6be0.4980@mx.google.com> Or the Friday OT List. It is Friday here, Gustav. Not sure where you are LOL. Down the pub probably. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:59 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Hi Max That list is the OT list. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 17:55 >>> So, you have now joined me on that list...lol.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT That'll get you put on a list somewhere... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 11:05:54 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:05:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Message-ID: Hi Max Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that calls for it. You know that. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 18:00 >>> Oooohhh. Stands back, folds arms and goes into "Watch and enjoy mode" Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:57 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Tina Bad advice I think. What should Susan write about this related to MS Office and the subject other than some chit-chat not useful for anyone? /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 23-10-2009 17:50 >>> Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can raise the issue. T Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Groove. >> >> And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there >> accessible by computers via the Internet. >> > > =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa > will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that > one. > > Thanks! > > Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 11:08:15 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:08:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Message-ID: Hi Max I'm at work. Trying to work. That could be a twitter message, but who cares? /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 18:02 >>> Or the Friday OT List. It is Friday here, Gustav. Not sure where you are LOL. Down the pub probably. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:59 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Hi Max That list is the OT list. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 17:55 >>> So, you have now joined me on that list...lol.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT That'll get you put on a list somewhere... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:12:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:12:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae1d5f2.0aec660a.2a7e.ffffe5ad@mx.google.com> Me? I know nuthin...I just a poor Brit... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 17:06 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Max Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that calls for it. You know that. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 18:00 >>> Oooohhh. Stands back, folds arms and goes into "Watch and enjoy mode" Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:57 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Tina Bad advice I think. What should Susan write about this related to MS Office and the subject other than some chit-chat not useful for anyone? /gustav >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 23-10-2009 17:50 >>> Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can raise the issue. T Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Hi Susan >> >> Groove. >> >> And "The Cloud" is just a generic name for "something" out there >> accessible by computers via the Internet. >> > > =======Yeah, I wondered if I should put it in the list. If I don't, some sa > will say, "Why didn't you include "The Cloud?????" I'm still debating that > one. > > Thanks! > > Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 11:13:42 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:13:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae1ce6d.0710660a.2c6c.40c2@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1ce6d.0710660a.2c6c.40c2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <31FCCD2445A64984B1510DAD19B71067@creativesystemdesigns.com> Max: We are talking to a world audience here. Maybe I should have added shoot, beheaded, blown up etc. As for time, why should we change things? It worked for the Sumerians so why not us. We owe them a debt of gratitude for their system based on 60. 60 seconds, 60 minutes and 24 hours per day and 24 time zones around the world that calculates to 360 degrees or 15 degrees per hour. Degrees calculate out in the same method 45? 12' 09.12764"; degrees, minutes and seconds. (Notice that angles smaller than a second calculates out to decimal base.) So quickly in your head calculate how many seconds in time calculates to one second in angle or world circumference? It is such a simple system. No wonder it has lasted for 7000 years and has resisted every attempt change it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT We don't do lynching...your confusing us with USA. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 11:17:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:17:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com> The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having secret laws. Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but they were all GREAT BRITAINS! Rant over! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:19:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:19:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <31FCCD2445A64984B1510DAD19B71067@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1ce6d.0710660a.2c6c.40c2@mx.google.com> <31FCCD2445A64984B1510DAD19B71067@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ae1d7af.0af6660a.5637.ffffcb1b@mx.google.com> I love the dissertation, but off course I think.... But hey, I didn?t know that. Was that about the time they thought the World was flat and the Earth the centre of the Universe? Bet the hadn't heard of StarGate, eh? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 17:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Max: We are talking to a world audience here. Maybe I should have added shoot, beheaded, blown up etc. As for time, why should we change things? It worked for the Sumerians so why not us. We owe them a debt of gratitude for their system based on 60. 60 seconds, 60 minutes and 24 hours per day and 24 time zones around the world that calculates to 360 degrees or 15 degrees per hour. Degrees calculate out in the same method 45? 12' 09.12764"; degrees, minutes and seconds. (Notice that angles smaller than a second calculates out to decimal base.) So quickly in your head calculate how many seconds in time calculates to one second in angle or world circumference? It is such a simple system. No wonder it has lasted for 7000 years and has resisted every attempt change it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT We don't do lynching...your confusing us with USA. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:20:20 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:20:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <5AB2ADE488FD4365B871837EE428E07F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ae1d02f.06a1660a.7f37.fffffe13@mx.google.com> <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ae1d7d7.0aaa660a.4a46.fffff390@mx.google.com> Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of beheading... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having secret laws. Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but they were all GREAT BRITAINS! Rant over! Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled and maybe even lynched? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT It couldn't happen in USA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm Max _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:20:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:20:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae1d7f6.09cc660a.1a17.fffff219@mx.google.com> Not me...where's the ice cubes... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 17:08 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Hi Max I'm at work. Trying to work. That could be a twitter message, but who cares? /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 18:02 >>> Or the Friday OT List. It is Friday here, Gustav. Not sure where you are LOL. Down the pub probably. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 16:59 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Hi Max That list is the OT list. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 17:55 >>> So, you have now joined me on that list...lol.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 23 October 2009 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT That'll get you put on a list somewhere... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:35:46 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:35:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: <4ae1d334.02a1660a.1486.ffffb571@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm not really writing about it -- just a poll question and if "the cloud" is a valid choice, I should probably include it -- I just haven't decided if it's really a valid choice where Office is concerned. I wouldn't say the chit chat is valueless. First, it helps the editor focus content for the blog. Second, if it sparks a discussion, someone might learn something useful. Susan H. > Oooohhh. > > Stands back, folds arms and goes into "Watch and enjoy mode" > > Hi Tina > > Bad advice I think. What should Susan write about this related to MS > Office > and the subject other than some chit-chat not useful for anyone? > Put it in, Susan, by referring to it as what it is - then nobody can > raise the issue. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:39:06 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:39:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices References: Message-ID: <3A7D63A914874F8A841338B10C4B36B6@SusanOne> Gustav, I get a couple dozen technology magazines every month and every one has a story or two on the cloud, every month! I don't get it either. I have still, yet, to actually read a story about actual users and benefits -- it's all speculation, expectation... no users! I've stopped reading about it, at least for now. Susan H. > Hi Max > > Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that > calls for it. You know that. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 12:03:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:03:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <3A7D63A914874F8A841338B10C4B36B6@SusanOne> References: <3A7D63A914874F8A841338B10C4B36B6@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4ae1e1de.0e0f660a.587c.194e@mx.google.com> Susan, that is how I felt about "collaborative choices". I understand the words, I don't understand what is the meaning behind them. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 17:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Gustav, I get a couple dozen technology magazines every month and every one has a story or two on the cloud, every month! I don't get it either. I have still, yet, to actually read a story about actual users and benefits -- it's all speculation, expectation... no users! I've stopped reading about it, at least for now. Susan H. > Hi Max > > Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that > calls for it. You know that. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 23 12:47:02 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:47:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Message-ID: Hi Max This is what it is about: http://www.google.com/google-d-s/intl/en/tour2.html Note that saving documents is done continuously automatically. This is so clever that I wonder why so few use it. Tradition, I guess. Lack of features, some claim, but I think the features of these limited applications cover 95% of the average user's demand. "The Cloud" here means that you have no idea of where your application nor your data physically reside, and you never will and you don't care. Actually, they are replicated to multiple locations. But this is not MS Office. Documents can be read and exported as doc and xls files but that is not real time. It is great, however, for backup to your own premises. MS has announced a similar limited service for Office 10. I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 19:03 >>> Susan, that is how I felt about "collaborative choices". I understand the words, I don't understand what is the meaning behind them. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 17:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Gustav, I get a couple dozen technology magazines every month and every one has a story or two on the cloud, every month! I don't get it either. I have still, yet, to actually read a story about actual users and benefits -- it's all speculation, expectation... no users! I've stopped reading about it, at least for now. Susan H. > Hi Max > > Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that > calls for it. You know that. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 12:56:19 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:56:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae1ee54.0c135e0a.2c10.28d3@mx.google.com> Thank you Gustav Have a good weekend. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 23 October 2009 18:47 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Max This is what it is about: http://www.google.com/google-d-s/intl/en/tour2.html Note that saving documents is done continuously automatically. This is so clever that I wonder why so few use it. Tradition, I guess. Lack of features, some claim, but I think the features of these limited applications cover 95% of the average user's demand. "The Cloud" here means that you have no idea of where your application nor your data physically reside, and you never will and you don't care. Actually, they are replicated to multiple locations. But this is not MS Office. Documents can be read and exported as doc and xls files but that is not real time. It is great, however, for backup to your own premises. MS has announced a similar limited service for Office 10. I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 19:03 >>> Susan, that is how I felt about "collaborative choices". I understand the words, I don't understand what is the meaning behind them. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 17:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Gustav, I get a couple dozen technology magazines every month and every one has a story or two on the cloud, every month! I don't get it either. I have still, yet, to actually read a story about actual users and benefits -- it's all speculation, expectation... no users! I've stopped reading about it, at least for now. Susan H. > Hi Max > > Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that > calls for it. You know that. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 12:57:46 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:57:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounds like a good implementation. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:47 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Hi Max This is what it is about: http://www.google.com/google-d-s/intl/en/tour2.html Note that saving documents is done continuously automatically. This is so clever that I wonder why so few use it. Tradition, I guess. Lack of features, some claim, but I think the features of these limited applications cover 95% of the average user's demand. "The Cloud" here means that you have no idea of where your application nor your data physically reside, and you never will and you don't care. Actually, they are replicated to multiple locations. But this is not MS Office. Documents can be read and exported as doc and xls files but that is not real time. It is great, however, for backup to your own premises. MS has announced a similar limited service for Office 10. I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 23-10-2009 19:03 >>> Susan, that is how I felt about "collaborative choices". I understand the words, I don't understand what is the meaning behind them. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 23 October 2009 17:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices Gustav, I get a couple dozen technology magazines every month and every one has a story or two on the cloud, every month! I don't get it either. I have still, yet, to actually read a story about actual users and benefits -- it's all speculation, expectation... no users! I've stopped reading about it, at least for now. Susan H. > Hi Max > > Oh Max. It's not Susan that writes chit-chat but this hyped item that > calls for it. You know that. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 13:28:55 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:28:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAB@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing? Really well! I have been using it for some time and I like it and will be rolling it out next year internally. I watched a Google docs video today and it was really impressive, quick, multiple authors and very slick. Just goggle Office Web Apps to see some screen shots and video. We use SharePoint because we want total control over everything. Office is built to work with SharePoint and it does it well. SharePoint 2010 and Office 2010 does it even better. We have 30,000 users on it now and its very slick. Saying that it keeps me busy and it is a huge bit of software to manage plus its infrastructure but it fits well into a total MS solution. basically from the Desktop to the Internet in a controlled and secure environment which we have total control over. We also have workflow, archive, records management, audit, single sign on, version history, integration with Excel Services, Forms Services plus some new items in the new version. We have enterprise level Search almost out of the box plus a ton of other stuff we have not even turn-on on yet like presence management, voice and video etc. For example research between researcher in any University in the world. We build a site, add in the users form the AD and they are up and running in about 5 mins. Again all within our control. We can also front almost any large scale database with it and we can then present information from there to the end user via a single interface. There are of course many issues and a huge learning curve for an install of our size but for us its worth it. We run 4 front end web servers, 4 application servers and four clustered SQL 2006 Databases on a 10TB SAN. Martin /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 23 13:40:00 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:40:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAB@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAB@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: That sounds like an excellent working system and it seems to be able to expand out to virtually any size. Now it looks like there are going to be many choices and the market has really opened up. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing? Really well! I have been using it for some time and I like it and will be rolling it out next year internally. I watched a Google docs video today and it was really impressive, quick, multiple authors and very slick. Just goggle Office Web Apps to see some screen shots and video. We use SharePoint because we want total control over everything. Office is built to work with SharePoint and it does it well. SharePoint 2010 and Office 2010 does it even better. We have 30,000 users on it now and its very slick. Saying that it keeps me busy and it is a huge bit of software to manage plus its infrastructure but it fits well into a total MS solution. basically from the Desktop to the Internet in a controlled and secure environment which we have total control over. We also have workflow, archive, records management, audit, single sign on, version history, integration with Excel Services, Forms Services plus some new items in the new version. We have enterprise level Search almost out of the box plus a ton of other stuff we have not even turn-on on yet like presence management, voice and video etc. For example research between researcher in any University in the world. We build a site, add in the users form the AD and they are up and running in about 5 mins. Again all within our control. We can also front almost any large scale database with it and we can then present information from there to the end user via a single interface. There are of course many issues and a huge learning curve for an install of our size but for us its worth it. We run 4 front end web servers, 4 application servers and four clustered SQL 2006 Databases on a 10TB SAN. Martin /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 13:44:28 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:44:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAB@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AE126BAC@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Jim >From what I see especially with MS they are betting the farm on SharePoint tightly coupled with Office. The system we have is actually over engineered just in case but it does leave us a lot of room for growth. SharePoint farms are easy to grow just stick another server in. We are actually looking a Virtual Machines for a lot for this. All the devs work on VMs. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence [accessd at shaw.ca] Sent: 23 October 2009 19:40 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices That sounds like an excellent working system and it seems to be able to expand out to virtually any size. Now it looks like there are going to be many choices and the market has really opened up. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Question on collaborative choices I wonder if and how they will implement the real time editing? Really well! I have been using it for some time and I like it and will be rolling it out next year internally. I watched a Google docs video today and it was really impressive, quick, multiple authors and very slick. Just goggle Office Web Apps to see some screen shots and video. We use SharePoint because we want total control over everything. Office is built to work with SharePoint and it does it well. SharePoint 2010 and Office 2010 does it even better. We have 30,000 users on it now and its very slick. Saying that it keeps me busy and it is a huge bit of software to manage plus its infrastructure but it fits well into a total MS solution. basically from the Desktop to the Internet in a controlled and secure environment which we have total control over. We also have workflow, archive, records management, audit, single sign on, version history, integration with Excel Services, Forms Services plus some new items in the new version. We have enterprise level Search almost out of the box plus a ton of other stuff we have not even turn-on on yet like presence management, voice and video etc. For example research between researcher in any University in the world. We build a site, add in the users form the AD and they are up and running in about 5 mins. Again all within our control. We can also front almost any large scale database with it and we can then present information from there to the end user via a single interface. There are of course many issues and a huge learning curve for an install of our size but for us its worth it. We run 4 front end web servers, 4 application servers and four clustered SQL 2006 Databases on a 10TB SAN. Martin /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Fri Oct 23 16:12:59 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:12:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: And were those three items *definitely* viruses, or false positives? Did it clean them? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 21 October 2009 17:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 23 16:23:35 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:23:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae1d7d7.0aaa660a.4a46.fffff390@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com>, <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <4ae1d7d7.0aaa660a.4a46.fffff390@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. -- Stuart On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of beheading... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having > secret laws. > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > Rant over! > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > and maybe even lynched? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Oct 23 16:54:42 2009 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com>, <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <4ae1d7d7.0aaa660a.4a46.fffff390@mx.google.com> <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <912645.84216.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'll need a pint to ponder the question over. Rusty ________________________________ From: Stuart McLachlan To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 4:23:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. -- Stuart On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of beheading... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having > secret laws. > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > Rant over! > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > and maybe even lynched? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 22:42:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:42:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com>, <42C6844EF43F42F9BD35E7E9EBFEF9DB@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <4ae1d7d7.0aaa660a.4a46.fffff390@mx.google.com> <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4ae277be.0506d00a.7649.0046@mx.google.com> I give up. I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer but am no wiser unless it is something to do with Queen of Sheba and a Rolex watch. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 23 October 2009 22:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. -- Stuart On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of beheading... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to do > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop having > secret laws. > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be British > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in Eire, > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > Rant over! > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > and maybe even lynched? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 22:43:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:43:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: References: <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae27803.0702d00a.20f5.4edc@mx.google.com> Don't know John, I just removed them. If MS didn't know what they were then that was good enough for me. Nothing untoward has happened, so.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: 23 October 2009 22:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free And were those three items *definitely* viruses, or false positives? Did it clean them? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 21 October 2009 17:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 23 23:23:51 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:23:51 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4ae277be.0506d00a.7649.0046@mx.google.com> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com>, <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ae277be.0506d00a.7649.0046@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4AE28157.3202.1DF75F2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Ancient Iraq and is among the earliest known works of literary writings. Scholars believe that it originated as a series of Sumerian legends and poems about the mythological hero-king Gilgamesh, which were gathered into a longer Akkadian poem much later; the most complete version existing today is preserved on 12 clay tablets in the library collection of the 7th century BCE Assyrian king Ashurbanipal. Translation here: http://www.interfaith.org/ancient/mesopotamia/epic-of-gilgamesh/ Tablet 1 includes the sentence: "She-who-must-be-obeyed fashioned his body's self." -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2009 at 4:42, Max Wanadoo wrote: > I give up. > I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer but am no wiser unless it > is something to do with Queen of Sheba and a Rolex watch. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 23 October 2009 22:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". > > Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. > > A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of > beheading... > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to > do > > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop > having > > secret laws. > > > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be > British > > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in > Eire, > > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > > > Rant over! > > > > Max > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > > and maybe even lynched? > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > > > > > Max > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 02:52:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:52:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4AE28157.3202.1DF75F2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com>, <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4ae277be.0506d00a.7649.0046@mx.google.com> <4AE28157.3202.1DF75F2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4ae2b268.0702d00a.20f5.ffff8997@mx.google.com> Sounds like mutilation to me. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 October 2009 05:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Ancient Iraq and is among the earliest known works of literary writings. Scholars believe that it originated as a series of Sumerian legends and poems about the mythological hero-king Gilgamesh, which were gathered into a longer Akkadian poem much later; the most complete version existing today is preserved on 12 clay tablets in the library collection of the 7th century BCE Assyrian king Ashurbanipal. Translation here: http://www.interfaith.org/ancient/mesopotamia/epic-of-gilgamesh/ Tablet 1 includes the sentence: "She-who-must-be-obeyed fashioned his body's self." -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2009 at 4:42, Max Wanadoo wrote: > I give up. > I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer but am no wiser unless it > is something to do with Queen of Sheba and a Rolex watch. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 23 October 2009 22:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". > > Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. > > A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of > beheading... > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to > do > > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop > having > > secret laws. > > > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be > British > > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in > Eire, > > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > > > Rant over! > > > > Max > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > > and maybe even lynched? > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > > > > > Max > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 24 03:30:30 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:30:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT In-Reply-To: <4AE28157.3202.1DF75F2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ae1c274.170d660a.45e3.ffffc691@mx.google.com> <4AE21ED7.18609.1C769A02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4ae277be.0506d00a.7649.0046@mx.google.com> <4AE28157.3202.1DF75F2C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: A very lusty piece of proses if I ever read one... Things have not changed much in 4000 years. Good digging Stuart. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Ancient Iraq and is among the earliest known works of literary writings. Scholars believe that it originated as a series of Sumerian legends and poems about the mythological hero-king Gilgamesh, which were gathered into a longer Akkadian poem much later; the most complete version existing today is preserved on 12 clay tablets in the library collection of the 7th century BCE Assyrian king Ashurbanipal. Translation here: http://www.interfaith.org/ancient/mesopotamia/epic-of-gilgamesh/ Tablet 1 includes the sentence: "She-who-must-be-obeyed fashioned his body's self." -- Stuart On 24 Oct 2009 at 4:42, Max Wanadoo wrote: > I give up. > I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer but am no wiser unless it > is something to do with Queen of Sheba and a Rolex watch. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 23 October 2009 22:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > Or as Rumpole was wont to say "she who must be obeyed". > > Which ties us in nicely with the other thread about time and the Sumerians. > > A virtual pint to the first person who can say what the tie in is. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 23 Oct 2009 at 17:20, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Your lucky...here it is "Commander in Chief" with the power of > beheading... > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 17:17 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > The Brits have to first stop treating their men like second rate citzens. > > The Brits out here describ their wives as mangement for good reason. ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > Well as far as I am concerned, if you want to be British all you have to > do > > is act like a Brit. Lose the strange garbs, the foreign language, the > > foreign culture. Stop treating woman like second rate citizens. Stop > > stoning women who were raped and thus became dirty. Stop killing your > > daughters and sons who marry in spite of their parents wishes. Stop > having > > secret laws. > > > > Embrace the society you espouse to join and become part of it. > > > > Colour, creed, culture has nothing to do with it. If you want to be > British > > then BE British! Some of the best brits we have ever had were born in > Eire, > > India, Africa, the West Indies, etc. Some were white, some were not, but > > they were all GREAT BRITAINS! > > > > Rant over! > > > > Max > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: 23 October 2009 16:37 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > I ask you why would any politician want to be questioned, jeered, heckled > > and maybe even lynched? > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:49 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday OT > > > > It couldn't happen in USA. > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8271710.stm > > > > > > > > Max > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 24 13:56:28 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:56:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <4ae27803.0702d00a.20f5.4edc@mx.google.com> References: <4adf33a8.0baa660a.7412.32a4@mx.google.com> <4ae27803.0702d00a.20f5.4edc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <064d01ca54db$b18f9af0$14aed0d0$@net> What they may have been were items in AVG's quarantine or (unimportant) traces of those items that AVG didn't remove. I've seen this happen in the past with products that want to "prove" they are better than the competition. Usually the free downloads that scan but don't remove until you purchase the activation key. I think this is probably where the fake anti-virus people got their idea from originally . But actually AVG has not been all that good over the past year. I no longer use it and have replaced all of my client's AVG security with either Vipre or Antivir. Eventually time will tell if MS can provide an effective security product. They couldn't with "Windows Defender" so my guess is no but I'd love to be proven wrong. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Don't know John, I just removed them. If MS didn't know what they were then that was good enough for me. Nothing untoward has happened, so.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: 23 October 2009 22:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free And were those three items *definitely* viruses, or false positives? Did it clean them? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 21 October 2009 17:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Sat Oct 24 18:57:52 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:57:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] free In-Reply-To: <064d01ca54db$b18f9af0$14aed0d0$@net> Message-ID: "...time will tell..." Yes, and meanwhile I shall not entrust any valuable system to depending it! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 24 October 2009 19:56 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free What they may have been were items in AVG's quarantine or (unimportant) traces of those items that AVG didn't remove. I've seen this happen in the past with products that want to "prove" they are better than the competition. Usually the free downloads that scan but don't remove until you purchase the activation key. I think this is probably where the fake anti-virus people got their idea from originally . But actually AVG has not been all that good over the past year. I no longer use it and have replaced all of my client's AVG security with either Vipre or Antivir. Eventually time will tell if MS can provide an effective security product. They couldn't with "Windows Defender" so my guess is no but I'd love to be proven wrong. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Don't know John, I just removed them. If MS didn't know what they were then that was good enough for me. Nothing untoward has happened, so.... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: 23 October 2009 22:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free And were those three items *definitely* viruses, or false positives? Did it clean them? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 21 October 2009 17:15 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Hi Peter, I have removed AVG Enterprise edition and installed the Security_Essentials in their place on 3 machines. On one machine it found 3 items that AVG had never picked up. So far, I am delighted with it. You do have to uninstall other AV software as part of the installation, so to save time, you should do that before you start installing it, otherwise you only have to start over needlessly. Time will tell, but for me, so far so good. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 21 October 2009 16:36 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] free Max, Thanks for posting this link. This review says "even for free software, and from Microsoft, it's pretty weird." Another review says it's OK but weak, and a third recommends it. I'm left to wonder if it adds significant functionality to what other free AV tools like AFG offer. Any ideas? PB ----- Max Wanadoo wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ > > > > Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: > 10/19/09 06:40:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 10:53:19 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:53:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Message-ID: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 25 12:57:09 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:57:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2058458741514DEEBBF23D134FD996D7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: If you can get to the original computer that has the Office loaded, you can use 'keyfinder' from MagicJellyBean. Use: http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder so you can document the keys of your Windows and Office products in the unlikely event that you lose access to your product keys... I general make a complete file of a client's office products and store or save that list in the event of data crash or loss. I carry it with me at all times on my USB stick. At the very worst he could just download a copy of OpenOffice: http://download.openoffice.org and continue on. It reads all the MS Office formats. Some of my clients who either had lost their original disks, had pirated copies or who just wanted to try something different went that route and after a couple of weeks noticed no difference in functionality or features. Note: That this is only so with the spreadsheet and word products... I have no experience with the other components. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 13:43:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:43:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <2058458741514DEEBBF23D134FD996D7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <2058458741514DEEBBF23D134FD996D7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim. Couple of good options there. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Hi Rocky: If you can get to the original computer that has the Office loaded, you can use 'keyfinder' from MagicJellyBean. Use: http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder so you can document the keys of your Windows and Office products in the unlikely event that you lose access to your product keys... I general make a complete file of a client's office products and store or save that list in the event of data crash or loss. I carry it with me at all times on my USB stick. At the very worst he could just download a copy of OpenOffice: http://download.openoffice.org and continue on. It reads all the MS Office formats. Some of my clients who either had lost their original disks, had pirated copies or who just wanted to try something different went that route and after a couple of weeks noticed no difference in functionality or features. Note: That this is only so with the spreadsheet and word products... I have no experience with the other components. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 25 16:05:35 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:05:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4AE4BD9F.24663.26B2DACF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 25 Oct 2009 at 8:53, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List(s): > > My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced > the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to > me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was > able to do. > > When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he > can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which > is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not > registered. > > So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and > I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register > the copy he's using. > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 25 16:10:08 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:10:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It is stored in the Registry, but I have no idea how to get it - it is buried somewhere in there in an encrypted format. If you can boot the drive, Magic Jelly Bean Keyfinder will find that and other MS product keys for you. http://www.magicaljellybean.com/ Since it is a Sourcedforge, project, you may be able to work out how to get the infor from an off-line registry by looking at the source code. http://sourceforge.net/projects/keyfinder/files/ -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2009 at 8:53, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List(s): > > My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced > the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to > me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was > able to do. > > When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he > can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which > is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not > registered. > > So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and > I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register > the copy he's using. > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 16:24:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:24:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said the drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or the OS got hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. But they swapped it out. They want it back of course so they can return it to the vendor and get credit. But I fought with them to let me have it until Max gets home or break so he can see if there's anything else on there that I missed that he needs. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key It is stored in the Registry, but I have no idea how to get it - it is buried somewhere in there in an encrypted format. If you can boot the drive, Magic Jelly Bean Keyfinder will find that and other MS product keys for you. http://www.magicaljellybean.com/ Since it is a Sourcedforge, project, you may be able to work out how to get the infor from an off-line registry by looking at the source code. http://sourceforge.net/projects/keyfinder/files/ -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2009 at 8:53, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List(s): > > My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced > the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to > me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was > able to do. > > When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he > can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which > is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not > registered. > > So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and > I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register > the copy he's using. > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Sun Oct 25 16:40:29 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:40:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <95710ED280164C63A2FF151A324930E9@s1800> have you tried to repair the MBR? something like this: boot from your WinXP CD select recovery console select the drive do chkdsk /r then fixmbr HTH Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said the > drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or the OS got > hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. But they swapped it > out. They want it back of course so they can return it to the vendor and > get credit. But I fought with them to let me have it until Max gets home > or > break so he can see if there's anything else on there that I missed that > he > needs. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > It is stored in the Registry, but I have no idea how to get it - it is > buried somewhere in there in an encrypted format. > > If you can boot the drive, Magic Jelly Bean Keyfinder will find that and > other MS product keys for you. http://www.magicaljellybean.com/ > > Since it is a Sourcedforge, project, you may be able to work out how to > get > the infor from an off-line registry by looking at the source code. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/keyfinder/files/ > > -- > Stuart > > > On 25 Oct 2009 at 8:53, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Dear List(s): >> >> My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell > replaced >> the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive >> to >> me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I >> was >> able to do. >> >> When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he >> can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone >> which >> is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not >> registered. >> >> So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, > and >> I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register >> the copy he's using. >> >> MTIA, >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 16:42:15 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:42:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Message-ID: Have you talked to Microsoft? See if you have any options there? IF you can prove you are you or he is he maybe they can help you out somehow. Good to put those license codes someplace safe. Didn't you just get the Action Pack again? If so you have 10 licenses there. GK On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said the > drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or the OS got > hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. ?But they swapped it > out. ?They want it back of course so they can return it to the vendor and > get credit. ?But I fought with them to let me have it until Max gets home or > break so he can see if there's anything else on there that I missed that he > needs. > > R > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 16:51:56 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:51:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Message-ID: Here's a freeware utility that has a bunch of options.... http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html Here's instructions from Microsoft on what to do.... http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA011508341033.aspx Student versions are cheap at least aren't they? GK On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Have you talked to Microsoft? See if you have any options there? ?IF > you can prove you are you or he is he maybe they can help you out > somehow. Good to put those license codes someplace safe. > > Didn't you just get the Action Pack again? ?If so you have 10 licenses there. > > GK > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said the >> drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or the OS got >> hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. ?But they swapped it >> out. ?They want it back of course so they can return it to the vendor and >> get credit. ?But I fought with them to let me have it until Max gets home or >> break so he can see if there's anything else on there that I missed that he >> needs. >> >> R >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 16:59:45 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:59:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Message-ID: Out of the action pack. But I got a legit key from a friend - if that works - problem solved. Otherwise - Plan B. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Have you talked to Microsoft? See if you have any options there? IF you can prove you are you or he is he maybe they can help you out somehow. Good to put those license codes someplace safe. Didn't you just get the Action Pack again? If so you have 10 licenses there. GK On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said > the drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or > the OS got hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. ?But > they swapped it out. ?They want it back of course so they can return > it to the vendor and get credit. ?But I fought with them to let me > have it until Max gets home or break so he can see if there's anything > else on there that I missed that he needs. > > R > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 25 17:02:23 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:02:23 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005>, , Message-ID: <4AE4CAEF.12266.26E6DAC0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Nirsoft make som good stuff. Their WirelessKeyView was very useful a couple of weeks ago. Had a call from a client I had done a bit of work for months ago. I had logged into their wireless network at the time. They had since lost the record of the WEP key for their WAP. I found WirelessKeyView throough Google, downloaded and ran it and was able to tell the client what their key was over the phone. On 25 Oct 2009 at 16:51, Gary Kjos wrote: > Here's a freeware utility that has a bunch of options.... > > http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 17:04:46 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:04:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><4AE4BEB0.16904.26B704DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><5BBFA3582BE8411EB367DE6F8E32111D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <8035A87F28E54AC3B93CE92EB2D57537@HAL9005> The product key viewer looks like it'll work. $25. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Here's a freeware utility that has a bunch of options.... http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html Here's instructions from Microsoft on what to do.... http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA011508341033.aspx Student versions are cheap at least aren't they? GK On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Have you talked to Microsoft? See if you have any options there? ?IF > you can prove you are you or he is he maybe they can help you out > somehow. Good to put those license codes someplace safe. > > Didn't you just get the Action Pack again? ?If so you have 10 licenses there. > > GK > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said >> the drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or >> the OS got hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. ?But >> they swapped it out. ?They want it back of course so they can return >> it to the vendor and get credit. ?But I fought with them to let me >> have it until Max gets home or break so he can see if there's >> anything else on there that I missed that he needs. >> >> R >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 25 17:05:18 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:05:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005>, , Message-ID: <4AE4CB9E.19299.26E987F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Just came across this one (not free, but there is a "Try for free" button): http://recover-keys.com/en/index.html Scan another Windows or another HDD Do you have more than one Windows operating system installed on single PC? Want to scan another HDD for activation keys? Want to retrieve product serial numbers from hard disc which don't want to boot normally? Recover Keys can scan another Windows for product keys, bootable or not. Since, most of the products keys are located in Windows Registry our little but powerful program can scan through registry of external Windows system, all you need to do is to select "Scan another Windows system" action and choose path to another Windows folder, Recover Keys will do the rest. -- Stuart On 25 Oct 2009 at 16:51, Gary Kjos wrote: > Here's a freeware utility that has a bunch of options.... > > http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html > > Here's instructions from Microsoft on what to do.... > > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA011508341033.aspx > > Student versions are cheap at least aren't they? > > GK > > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > Have you talked to Microsoft? See if you have any options there? ?IF > > you can prove you are you or he is he maybe they can help you out > > somehow. Good to put those license codes someplace safe. > > > > Didn't you just get the Action Pack again? ?If so you have 10 licenses there. > > > > GK > > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Can't boot from the drive - that was the original problem - Dell said the > >> drive was fried but I think either the boot track went south or the OS got > >> hosed and could have been reloaded after a reformat. ?But they swapped it > >> out. ?They want it back of course so they can return it to the vendor and > >> get credit. ?But I fought with them to let me have it until Max gets home or > >> break so he can see if there's anything else on there that I missed that he > >> needs. > >> > >> R > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 25 19:04:28 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:04:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Message-ID: Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Oct 25 19:27:22 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:27:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101ca55d3$16376530$42a62f90$@rr.com> Great choice and congrats on your purchase. I'm sure you'll love it! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:04 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 03:00:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:00:08 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> What size? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 05:12:43 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:12:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forgot to tell you to not go for the top end HDMI cables. It's digital. It either works or it doesn't. There are plenty of cheaper HDMI cables available that work just as good as the expensive ones. Now maybe the better ones are better sheilded or something and will work better over time or have better connectors on the ends that won't develop a later problem due to corrosion or something. Glad to hear you made the decision. Just in time for the winter viewing season. Big deal down in your area I'm sure right? GK On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 > > They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. > > Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and > the financing comes through on those though. ?What's up with those > cables???? > > Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more > channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. > Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we > ever learn to use it. > > Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. ?Not > home theater but - step at a time. > > The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the > grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but > satisfying. ?And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've > seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. > > Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's > night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been > upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. ?We'll go up > later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. > > > Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, > blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. > > Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. > > Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. ?Really nice picture. ?You > can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master > Card. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 26 08:49:53 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:49:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: 46". R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line What size? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 26 10:36:35 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:36:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including installation keys: http://www.gtopala.com/ Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick or any other location. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 26 11:13:52 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:13:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: So the installation keys AR in the registry somewhere? However, looks like the freeware version doesn't give you license information? Or does it. A bit unclear on the site. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including installation keys: http://www.gtopala.com/ Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick or any other location. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 26 12:09:10 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:09:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <1C94D11452E34C8DB7F1EF218A07C9D4@creativesystemdesigns.com> The MagicBean KeyFinder is free and does provide all MS product licence information. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:14 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key So the installation keys AR in the registry somewhere? However, looks like the freeware version doesn't give you license information? Or does it. A bit unclear on the site. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including installation keys: http://www.gtopala.com/ Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick or any other location. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:22:03 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:22:03 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> Small. Surprised you didn't go for a large set. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line 46". R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line What size? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 26 12:49:25 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:49:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <007b01ca5664$a8ce6f60$fa6b4e20$@net> Different software keeps it in different places but for the most part it is in the registry. The free version gives you everything but I don't think it will print out license info. I use it a lot. Quick download to try and since there's no installation it can't screw up your system. BTW if you open regedit there are options to connect to a networked computer's registry or you can "import a hive file" which would be a specific registry file. I've had some discussions with security vendors on adding the ability to scan the registry of a dismounted hard drive in order to clean the hard drive of both malicious file (directly) and malicious registry settings (via mounting the disembodied hard drive's registry files via one of the above options. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:14 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key So the installation keys AR in the registry somewhere? However, looks like the freeware version doesn't give you license information? Or does it. A bit unclear on the site. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including installation keys: http://www.gtopala.com/ Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick or any other location. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key Dear List(s): My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was able to do. When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not registered. So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register the copy he's using. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 26 12:59:05 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:59:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance 46 was best. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Small. Surprised you didn't go for a large set. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line 46". R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line What size? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 13:26:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:26:28 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ae5e9e5.0a04d00a.662d.ffffcfd6@mx.google.com> That sound about right Rocky. I am approx 8-10 feet depending where I sit and the 50" is good. 6-9 feet, the 46" sound ok. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 17:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance 46 was best. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Small. Surprised you didn't go for a large set. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line 46". R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line What size? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those cables???? Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we ever learn to use it. Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not home theater but - step at a time. The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master Card. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 13:29:11 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:29:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Message-ID: She? You listened to a WOMAN ABOUT A TV? ha ha ha ha GK On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. > Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being > traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - > overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance > 46 was best. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Small. ?Surprised you didn't go for a large set. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > 46". > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > What size? > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 > > They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. > > Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and > the financing comes through on those though. ?What's up with those > cables???? > > Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more > channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. > Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we > ever learn to use it. > > Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. ?Not > home theater but - step at a time. > > The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the > grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but > satisfying. ?And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've > seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. > > Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's > night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been > upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. ?We'll go up > later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. > > > Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, > blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. > > Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. > > Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. ?Really nice picture. ?You > can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master > Card. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Oct 26 13:34:46 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:34:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <1C94D11452E34C8DB7F1EF218A07C9D4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <1C94D11452E34C8DB7F1EF218A07C9D4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4AE5EBC6.40907@torchlake.com> Man, that is slick! Very cool. Thanks. T Jim Lawrence wrote: > The MagicBean KeyFinder is free and does provide all MS product licence > information. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:14 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > So the installation keys AR in the registry somewhere? > > However, looks like the freeware version doesn't give you license > information? Or does it. A bit unclear on the site. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:37 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including > installation keys: > http://www.gtopala.com/ > > Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick > or any other location. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > Dear List(s): > > My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell replaced > the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send the drive to > me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable files. Which I was > able to do. > > When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, he > can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from someone which > is working but in a few days it's going to stop working because it's not > registered. > > So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If so, and > I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he could register > the copy he's using. > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 13:35:05 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:35:05 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4ae5ebef.0508d00a.1930.ffffeb69@mx.google.com> Gary, he didn?t say he passed the remote to her... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 26 October 2009 18:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line She? You listened to a WOMAN ABOUT A TV? ha ha ha ha GK On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. > Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being > traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - > overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance > 46 was best. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Small. ?Surprised you didn't go for a large set. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > 46". > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > What size? > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 > > They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. > > Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and > the financing comes through on those though. ?What's up with those > cables???? > > Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more > channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. > Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we > ever learn to use it. > > Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. ?Not > home theater but - step at a time. > > The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the > grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but > satisfying. ?And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've > seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. > > Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's > night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been > upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. ?We'll go up > later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. > > > Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, > blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. > > Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. > > Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. ?Really nice picture. ?You > can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master > Card. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Oct 26 14:04:19 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:04:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com><4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com><00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4AE5F2B3.2040501@torchlake.com> Oooooooooooooooooooh Gary! Picking a fight? :-) T Gary Kjos wrote: > She? You listened to a WOMAN ABOUT A TV? > > ha ha ha ha > > GK > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. >> Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being >> traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - >> overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance >> 46 was best. >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >> >> Small. Surprised you didn't go for a large set. >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >> >> 46". >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >> >> What size? >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >> Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 >> To: 'Off Topic'; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >> >> Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 >> >> They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. >> >> Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and >> the financing comes through on those though. What's up with those >> cables???? >> >> Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more >> channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. >> Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we >> ever learn to use it. >> >> Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. Not >> home theater but - step at a time. >> >> The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the >> grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but >> satisfying. And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've >> seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. >> >> Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's >> night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been >> upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. We'll go up >> later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. >> >> >> Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, >> blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. >> >> Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. >> >> Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. Really nice picture. You >> can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master >> Card. >> >> >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:08:43 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:08:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: <4AE5F2B3.2040501@torchlake.com> References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com> <4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com> <00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> <4AE5F2B3.2040501@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Who me? I thought this was the OT list. Ooops my bad. I best be ducking and running. GK On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Oooooooooooooooooooh Gary! ?Picking a fight? ?:-) > T > > Gary Kjos wrote: >> She? ?You listened to a WOMAN ABOUT A TV? >> >> ha ha ha ha >> >> GK >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. >>> Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and being >>> traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright - >>> overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that distance >>> 46 was best. >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >>> >>> Small. ?Surprised you didn't go for a large set. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >>> >>> 46". >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >>> >>> What size? >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin >>> Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 >>> To: 'Off Topic'; List >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line >>> >>> Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 >>> >>> They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. >>> >>> Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes and >>> the financing comes through on those though. ?What's up with those >>> cables???? >>> >>> Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many more >>> channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. >>> Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be if we >>> ever learn to use it. >>> >>> Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. ?Not >>> home theater but - step at a time. >>> >>> The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at the >>> grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable but >>> satisfying. ?And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi we've >>> seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. >>> >>> Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was boy's >>> night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but hasn't been >>> upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told her. ?We'll go up >>> later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. >>> >>> >>> Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get Netflix, >>> blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. >>> >>> Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. >>> >>> Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. ?Really nice picture. ?You >>> can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else there's Master >>> Card. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 26 14:47:43 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:47:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line In-Reply-To: References: <4ae5570e.170e660a.2cdd.5e20@mx.google.com><4ae5dae2.0c11660a.056b.494b@mx.google.com><00B344E4C1384C40A6B5428FC4C05302@HAL9005> Message-ID: <95FDF6AF9916487D85B2FE98C9DE2A3F@HAL9005> Oh, Gary that is SO last century! R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line She? You listened to a WOMAN ABOUT A TV? ha ha ha ha GK On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Has to do with the size of the space and the distance from the viewer. > Sales person who helped us said some of the 55s were coming back and > being traded for smaller ones because they were found to be too bright > - overpowering. Our seating is 6-9 feet from the TV. She said at that > distance > 46 was best. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:22 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Small. ?Surprised you didn't go for a large set. > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 13:50 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > 46". > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:00 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > What size? > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: 26 October 2009 00:04 > To: 'Off Topic'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] The Bottom Line > > Samsung LN46B750 - $1350 > > They threw in a Samsung - BD-P1600 blu-ray to sweeten the deal. > > Couple of HDMI cables - won't know the final cost until escrow closes > and the financing comes through on those though. ?What's up with those > cables???? > > Upgraded the Cable to get HD and got the converter box- now have many > more channels I won't watch than before - but the monthly cost didn't go up. > Also got a remote that supposed to be universal and seems it will be > if we ever learn to use it. > > Hooked it up to my Sony stereo with a couple of good Klipsch speakers. ? > Not home theater but - step at a time. > > The only blu-ray DVDs we could get last night were at the $1 kiosk at > the grocery store - Casino Royale - not a bad Bond flic - predictable > but satisfying. ?And The Fifth Element - Bruce Willis - lamest sci-fi > we've seen. Ever. But so campy it was entertaining. > > Pundit was out of town on a women's retreat in the mountains so it was > boy's night - me and Noah - a high tech evening. She's back now but > hasn't been upstairs where the 'unit' is located and we haven't told > her. ?We'll go up later to watch 60 minutes or something. Guess we get the Simpsons in HD now. > > > Next step - run a cat-5 from the router to the blu-ray and get > Netflix, blockbuster, Pandora,and you tube on the HDTV through the blu-ray. > > Next step - upgrade the TIVO to an HD or DVR equivalent. > > Watched some National Geographic, Animal planet. ?Really nice picture. ? > You can see the individual blades of grass. For everything else > there's Master Card. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 26 16:17:32 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:17:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005>, <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <4AE611EC.17344.2BE4287D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's what I need. Belarc is good, but I don't want to instal it on every machine that I am working one. I'm checking it out right now! -- Stuart On26 Oct 2009 at 10:36, John Bartow wrote: > Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including > installation keys: > http://www.gtopala.com/ > > Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick > or any other location. > From djkr at msn.com Wed Oct 28 10:10:26 2009 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:10:26 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <4AE5EBC6.40907@torchlake.com> Message-ID: (cross-posted to AccessD - happened to see it there first) http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/ Rocky In case you haven't tried Ralph's suggestion: do - it's brilliant! It works on Win7 too, though it doesn't say so. It retrieves keys for Windows, Office, Project and others. It certainly works on another PC's system disk attached to yours as a local disk, for instance in a USB-attached caddy. What it doesn't seem to do is to work across a network - which may just be a good thing! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: 26 October 2009 18:35 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key Man, that is slick! Very cool. Thanks. T Jim Lawrence wrote: > The MagicBean KeyFinder is free and does provide all MS product > licence information. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:14 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > So the installation keys AR in the registry somewhere? > > However, looks like the freeware version doesn't give you license > information? Or does it. A bit unclear on the site. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:37 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including > installation keys: http://www.gtopala.com/ > > Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB > stick or any other location. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:53 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key > > Dear List(s): > > My son Max's HD in his Dell LT crapped out about a month ago. Dell > replaced the drive. Of course, he had no backups. I told him to send > the drive to me to see if I could recover some of the irreplaceable > files. Which I was able to do. > > When I bought him this system I also got him Office 2007. OF course, > he can't find the original install disk, but he got a copy from > someone which is working but in a few days it's going to stop working > because it's not registered. > > So my question is - is the key stored in the registry somewhere? If > so, and I could find it on the old HD, I could email it to him, he > could register the copy he's using. > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 28 12:49:52 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:49:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office Key In-Reply-To: <4AE611EC.17344.2BE4287D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005>, <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <4AE611EC.17344.2BE4287D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00da01ca57f7$0e282110$2a786330$@net> Hi Stuart, Hope it does what you need. I find it useful for documenting all of the software keys rather than just the MS keys. I have a whole slew of key finders in my toolbox (including Belarc and Magic Jelly Bean) but I generally only use this one now. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office Key That's what I need. Belarc is good, but I don't want to instal it on every machine that I am working one. I'm checking it out right now! -- Stuart On26 Oct 2009 at 10:36, John Bartow wrote: > Another products that does hardware and software inventory, including > installation keys: > http://www.gtopala.com/ > > Very fast and no installation needed so you can run it from your USB stick > or any other location. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 00:36:46 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:36:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 40th year of the internet In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <064829CE042D4FC2A75A8C79262960AB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Today is the 40th anniversary of the internet. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/102909-happy-40th-birthday.html Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 00:53:46 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:53:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: Today was an interesting day. A call from a small site announced that they could not get any stations running. Fortunate there was only 7 stations and one server. The server was running without issue but all stations were just in a continuous reboot mode. It appears that some kind of virus or malware had been seeded on each station and it activated at exactly the same time on each. I have never seen anything like this before. Vipre was installed on each station, with full-time protection activated and nothing was announced or stopped. Though no data was lost each station had to be re-installed. Has anyone heard of this before? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 01:21:39 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:21:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just opened a small coffee shop. I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making this system operational. Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 30 02:50:44 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Message-ID: Hi Jim Interesting. We have a client running an Win XP 24 hours/day as a terminal server. Yesterday morning the client complainted that "it is beeping all the time". The reason was a continous reboot. When booting, this Lenovo publishes two beeps. It reached the XP logo with the running bar and then - after some seconds - reboot. It has been taken to repair - for a defect disk or some paging file issue - but I will pass this info at once. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 30-10-2009 06:53 >>> Today was an interesting day. A call from a small site announced that they could not get any stations running. Fortunate there was only 7 stations and one server. The server was running without issue but all stations were just in a continuous reboot mode. It appears that some kind of virus or malware had been seeded on each station and it activated at exactly the same time on each. I have never seen anything like this before. Vipre was installed on each station, with full-time protection activated and nothing was announced or stopped. Though no data was lost each station had to be re-installed. Has anyone heard of this before? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 03:27:54 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:27:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free DropBox of unlimited size that anyone can build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those who use DropBox technology would it not be nice to be able to create your own client/server which would be limited only by the size of your server hard drive space. http://fak3r.com/2009/09/14/howto-build-your-own-open-source-dropbox-clone Hope this help someone. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 30 08:17:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:17:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <6C59497B5E714BF4AE8B1A3FD1902785@HAL9005> What was the fix? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Today was an interesting day. A call from a small site announced that they could not get any stations running. Fortunate there was only 7 stations and one server. The server was running without issue but all stations were just in a continuous reboot mode. It appears that some kind of virus or malware had been seeded on each station and it activated at exactly the same time on each. I have never seen anything like this before. Vipre was installed on each station, with full-time protection activated and nothing was announced or stopped. Though no data was lost each station had to be re-installed. Has anyone heard of this before? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 30 08:18:08 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:18:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: You definitely got the best of that deal. Bet you get referrals, too. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just opened a small coffee shop. I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making this system operational. Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 08:23:33 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:23:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Excellent! GK On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just > opened a small coffee shop. > > I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store > POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the > controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station > running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the > various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making > this system operational. > > Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited > supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 09:52:00 2009 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <100407.57614.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sounds like a win-win. If you don't mind sharing, what open source software did you use? ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:21:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just opened a small coffee shop. I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making this system operational. Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 30 10:06:19 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> Message-ID: <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> Hi Jim, Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries of equipment ;o) If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but to email the office administrator. I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get back up is to reimage all of the stations. In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are command line options available.) If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They evaluate these and add them to their detections. BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security software was on the server? Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. Best of luck in resolving it. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 11:24:13 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:24:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <6C59497B5E714BF4AE8B1A3FD1902785@HAL9005> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <6C59497B5E714BF4AE8B1A3FD1902785@HAL9005> Message-ID: Re-install. 8-( Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:17 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash What was the fix? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Today was an interesting day. A call from a small site announced that they could not get any stations running. Fortunate there was only 7 stations and one server. The server was running without issue but all stations were just in a continuous reboot mode. It appears that some kind of virus or malware had been seeded on each station and it activated at exactly the same time on each. I have never seen anything like this before. Vipre was installed on each station, with full-time protection activated and nothing was announced or stopped. Though no data was lost each station had to be re-installed. Has anyone heard of this before? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 12:24:08 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:24:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: <100407.57614.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <100407.57614.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8EE9131679E5489993ED787E4879C5E5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ubuntu OS, Apache (AMP... website software), Mosaic (FF for internet connection), Kontact suite (for handling emails, notes, task list, ordering etc...), Pidgin (MSN type software), Skype (long distance phone software), Munin (site monitoring software), Open Office (office), UltraVNC (remote support software), BackupPC and Clonezilla (for backup), GnuCash (accounting), PhpPointOfSale (Core POS system), VisualBox (Running some of their older favourite Windows apps), Wine (Still in test mode) and my own custom design of cobbled together POS and accounting mix... Went with a local company that handled Visa/MC/Debit etc.. through a web connection. That is all I can remember off the top of my head. It took a month just to figure out all the pieces and figure out how to assemble it all. For a partial listing of the most visible OS software check out the following site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open_source_software_packages I am still working on a web based set of POS systems that are cross-platform but it is a very big project and paying work just keeps getting in the way. 8-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cheap install Sounds like a win-win. If you don't mind sharing, what open source software did you use? ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:21:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just opened a small coffee shop. I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making this system operational. Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 30 12:42:18 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:42:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> Message-ID: <404E4C2C7A1A4BBCADBC5C82EA558DB8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John; That is all good advice. I have taken the liberty to attach one of the corrupted drives off the server and will be doing exactly as you suggest. I will give Sunsoft call after I have done some preliminary investigations. I plan to hit the corrupt drive with everything I can think of. The server has the same software protection as the rest of the stations. The only thing the server has different is that it is not directly accessible by the workers or do they know how to even login to it... that knowledge is between the owner and me. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Hi Jim, Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries of equipment ;o) If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but to email the office administrator. I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get back up is to reimage all of the stations. In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are command line options available.) If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They evaluate these and add them to their detections. BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security software was on the server? Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. Best of luck in resolving it. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rustykh at yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 13:30:41 2009 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install In-Reply-To: <8EE9131679E5489993ED787E4879C5E5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <97D0EEA48CEF4BD79B7DDA1CB7D6A22F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <100407.57614.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8EE9131679E5489993ED787E4879C5E5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <186343.17663.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> That's great. Thanks for the list. I read a lot about what's available in opensource and even an occasional review, but it's nice to hear when someone is actually using it and it's working. ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 12:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cheap install Ubuntu OS, Apache (AMP... website software), Mosaic (FF for internet connection), Kontact suite (for handling emails, notes, task list, ordering etc...), Pidgin (MSN type software), Skype (long distance phone software), Munin (site monitoring software), Open Office (office), UltraVNC (remote support software), BackupPC and Clonezilla (for backup), GnuCash (accounting), PhpPointOfSale (Core POS system), VisualBox (Running some of their older favourite Windows apps), Wine (Still in test mode) and my own custom design of cobbled together POS and accounting mix... Went with a local company that handled Visa/MC/Debit etc.. through a web connection. That is all I can remember off the top of my head. It took a month just to figure out all the pieces and figure out how to assemble it all. For a partial listing of the most visible OS software check out the following site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open_source_software_packages I am still working on a web based set of POS systems that are cross-platform but it is a very big project and paying work just keeps getting in the way. 8-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cheap install Sounds like a win-win. If you don't mind sharing, what open source software did you use? ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:21:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap install A few weeks ago I did a free install for this older couple who had just opened a small coffee shop. I installed 3 older stations (beater boxes), one was for the front store POS, one for the back office accounting and business work and one for the controlling server. I only charged for the parts needed to get each station running and $50.00 per station. That fee I split up and sent off to the various Open Source companies who had contributed their software to making this system operational. Everything has been working perfectly since then and I now have an unlimited supply of free coffee and small snacks... well worth the trade. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Oct 30 19:06:14 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:06:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over Message-ID: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> Hi, Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little guidance. Okay? I'm listening. Thanks, T From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 20:53:38 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:53:38 +0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hello Tina, first thing it so ensure that you have some drivers for your network card. If you cannot get on the net to pull down the drivers you need after you re-install, you are stuck even before you can get going. Second thing is that if you are installed Vista or later, it will be easier thatn XP / Win2k3 or earlier. These older OS's look for a SATA driver, Vista, and presumably W7 and Wk28 seem to boot without needing to preload a SATA driver. Once you get the machine booting from your CD and you have a driver for the network card, you just follow the steps. By the time you have it finished, and windows patched, and perhaps office installed, you will have eaten at least eight hours. Let us know if you do it in less :) There are utils out there to scan the drive, if it is really faulty, you could do the 8 hours and then it will fail again! Good Luck and enjoy, try to do it with Vista if you can, it will avoid the inital DOS screen and the "Press F8 to load hard Disk Driver" Mark 2009/10/31 Tina Norris Fields > Hi, > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > Thanks, > T > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 00:57:23 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:57:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <95DCD16BC20544A8BF3212DCAD9280E1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tina: 1. Number one question, do you have the original XP disk or a similar media. 2. If the answer is yes and you would like to do a totally new install go to section 4 and follow items a to c, then put the XP disk in the CDROM drive format and install. 3. You will need to make a complete copy of the current OS by doing a complete image backup of the hard drive. You can either use Clonezilla or a properly prepared Barts PE disk. To do this type of image backup you will need to a new CD disk and a CD drive that will allow you to write to it. How to decide which image application you need. a. If you have a portable hard drive with sufficient capacity that you can attach to your ailing computer, Clonezilla is your best choice: http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge (the 'live' iso) b. If you have a network and computers on that LAN with sufficient space Barts PE disk with DriveImageXML is your choice. If you need it I will send you a link to a prebuilt ISO disk. c. When you have the copies of Clonezilla or/and Barts PE DriveImage ISO use either to build yourself a CD. The resultant CD disk will be self booting. I will assume you have products like Nero/ImgBurn/latest Window (Vista/7) that will provide the capability to burn an ISO to the CDROM. d. If your old computer does not boot to the CD drive initially you are going to have to set that first. Depending on the computer, in most cases pressing the key just after rebooting will set you into the hardware system mode. From there you can select the Boot order section and if the CDROM is not the first item in the boot order list set it so. That is usually accomplished by navigating, with the cursor keys and by pressing the PgUp and PgDwn keys to choose and set the option. When satisfied press to exit and 'Y' and to accept and reboot. e. When the newly created CD, boots up you will be immediately prompted as to which drive to backup and subsequently the destination of the backup; if you are using Clonezilla or if Barts PE, you will have set the networking option affirmatively, input the appropriate workgroup/domain and then navigate to the DriveImageXML menu option. Then you will be prompted to select the source and destination. Either process, depending on the size of the drive to be backedup/imaged can take a fair amount of time. 4. You will have purchased a new hard drive and wish to replace to current one. a. This can be accomplished by removing the left side panel on your computer by removing the two Phillips or thumb screws at the back of the computer and sliding the panel off revealing the computers contents. (This assumes a standard computer box layout) Smaller desktop box varieties may require the entire top to be removed. Again this is accomplished by removing the Phillips screws at the back of the case and sliding off the top. b. Remove the old hard drive. Depending on the type of drive it will be either IDE (a wide flat multi-pin cable) or a SATA (thin red cable). Remove the cables from the old hard drive, both data and power. (There should be no concern about taking them off as they will only go back on in one way.) c. There will be two or four Phillips screws to be removed so the old hard drive can be slid out and the new one slid in. Replace the screws into the new drive and attach the data and power supply cables. Make sure all cables are again secure as unrelated cables may have become loosened because of the replacement process. Now replace the side panel, secure and turn on the computer. d. Boot again via the CDROM and as explained in section 3 item e but in this case reverse the process. Browse to the saved directory, in the case of Clonezilla or browse to the saved directory and select the XML file in the case of DriveImageXML. If the process proceeds unimpaired the new hard drive should now boot up appropriately once the CD have been removed. That is the quick and simple... It is not too simple but I assume little knowledge on either imaging drives or replacing them. This was typed very fast so there may be gram/sp errors but HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over Hi, Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little guidance. Okay? I'm listening. Thanks, T _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 31 11:51:39 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:51:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> Hi Tina, Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to go through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me know. If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it has less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers for the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to install so don't bother watching them once started :o) Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security) until done with all of this. Good Luck Tina! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over Hi, Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little guidance. Okay? I'm listening. Thanks, T _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 12:25:03 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:25:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] GIT software. Competition for Visual SourceSafe In-Reply-To: <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> Message-ID: Here is a little software package which the author of this article claims is superior to Visual SourceSafe. I have used neither package extensively (actually only VS in its infancy) as Subversions seems to be enough for me. My development teams have never been more than 3 and generally only one so even subversion is little more than an archive and backup application which is just fine. According to this article, as stated, GIT is superior to VS. GIT seems very feature laden and it looks like it could be very useful and a product worthy of investigation. http://www.lexparse.com/2009/10/30/git-and-microsoft-development-a-success-s tory If you check out the article and review the comments they are very interesting. The product is very powerful and used by many developers; I.E. the Linux Kernel, Perl, Gnome, Ruby on Rails, Android, Wine, Debian etc...and it is a Linux based Open Source application. A link to GIT: http://git-scm.com and a list of its contributors: http://git-scm.com/about Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 12:52:13 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:52:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> Message-ID: <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: I have thrown every virus and malware and rootkit product against the drives that failed. Nothing! My current theory is that a Microsoft update is the culprit but have yet to find any data on it. I checked the drive update logs and it reveals that MS performed its last update at 3:00AM, the morning before the crash. The logs show no errors or issues during the process but 5 hours later all the computers were locked in an endless boot cycle. I have been combing the net but have as yet found no references to that particular update and errors... Any thoughts? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Hi Jim, Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries of equipment ;o) If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but to email the office administrator. I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get back up is to reimage all of the stations. In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are command line options available.) If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They evaluate these and add them to their detections. BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security software was on the server? Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. Best of luck in resolving it. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Oct 31 13:19:46 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:19:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <95DCD16BC20544A8BF3212DCAD9280E1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <95DCD16BC20544A8BF3212DCAD9280E1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4AEC7FC2.9030702@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, Thanks for all this good information. Some of it I already know and have done before. Some of it I know intellectually but have never actually done before. I'm printing this off and putting it in my "how to" book. Thanks again. This computer comes from friends who have already replaced it with a newer model. And, no, of course they don't know where the original XP disk is. I count it a major success to have convinced them that the set of disks that came with the new computer must be put in a safe place where they can find them "just in case." However, I do have a working registered copy of WinXP Pro that I can use. There is nothing on this used computer that I want to keep. I had thought to just format the hard drive and install WinXP Pro from my disk. I have set the boot sequence to 1) floppy drive, 2) CD drive, 3) hard drive. There is reason to believe that this hard drive is truly going bad, so I may be simply replacing it after all. I will keep you posted. Thanks, T Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > 1. Number one question, do you have the original XP disk or a similar media. > > 2. If the answer is yes and you would like to do a totally new install go to > section 4 and follow items a to c, then put the XP disk in the CDROM drive > format and install. > > 3. You will need to make a complete copy of the current OS by doing a > complete image backup of the hard drive. You can either use Clonezilla or a > properly prepared Barts PE disk. To do this type of image backup you will > need to a new CD disk and a CD drive that will allow you to write to it. > > How to decide which image application you need. > a. If you have a portable hard drive with sufficient capacity that you can > attach to your ailing computer, Clonezilla is your best choice: > http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge (the 'live' iso) > > b. If you have a network and computers on that LAN with sufficient space > Barts PE disk with DriveImageXML is your choice. If you need it I will send > you a link to a prebuilt ISO disk. > > c. When you have the copies of Clonezilla or/and Barts PE DriveImage ISO use > either to build yourself a CD. The resultant CD disk will be self booting. I > will assume you have products like Nero/ImgBurn/latest Window (Vista/7) that > will provide the capability to burn an ISO to the CDROM. > > d. If your old computer does not boot to the CD drive initially you are > going to have to set that first. Depending on the computer, in most cases > pressing the key just after rebooting will set you into the > hardware system mode. From there you can select the Boot order section and > if the CDROM is not the first item in the boot order list set it so. That is > usually accomplished by navigating, with the cursor keys and by pressing the > PgUp and PgDwn keys to choose and set the option. When satisfied press > to exit and 'Y' and to accept and reboot. > > e. When the newly created CD, boots up you will be immediately prompted as > to which drive to backup and subsequently the destination of the backup; if > you are using Clonezilla or if Barts PE, you will have set the networking > option affirmatively, input the appropriate workgroup/domain and then > navigate to the DriveImageXML menu option. Then you will be prompted to > select the source and destination. Either process, depending on the size of > the drive to be backedup/imaged can take a fair amount of time. > > 4. You will have purchased a new hard drive and wish to replace to current > one. > a. This can be accomplished by removing the left side panel on your computer > by removing the two Phillips or thumb screws at the back of the computer and > sliding the panel off revealing the computers contents. (This assumes a > standard computer box layout) Smaller desktop box varieties may require the > entire top to be removed. Again this is accomplished by removing the > Phillips screws at the back of the case and sliding off the top. > > b. Remove the old hard drive. Depending on the type of drive it will be > either IDE (a wide flat multi-pin cable) or a SATA (thin red cable). Remove > the cables from the old hard drive, both data and power. (There should be no > concern about taking them off as they will only go back on in one way.) > > c. There will be two or four Phillips screws to be removed so the old hard > drive can be slid out and the new one slid in. Replace the screws into the > new drive and attach the data and power supply cables. Make sure all cables > are again secure as unrelated cables may have become loosened because of the > replacement process. Now replace the side panel, secure and turn on the > computer. > > d. Boot again via the CDROM and as explained in section 3 item e but in this > case reverse the process. Browse to the saved directory, in the case of > Clonezilla or browse to the saved directory and select the XML file in the > case of DriveImageXML. > > If the process proceeds unimpaired the new hard drive should now boot up > appropriately once the CD have been removed. > > That is the quick and simple... It is not too simple but I assume little > knowledge on either imaging drives or replacing them. > > This was typed very fast so there may be gram/sp errors but HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over > > Hi, > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > Thanks, > T > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Oct 31 13:34:16 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:34:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> Message-ID: <4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com> Hi John, SpinRite is running on level 4 - smooth as silk until it reached cylinder 4,141, head 252. Here it is laboriously climbing through sectors - up to sector 41 as I am typing this message. Perhaps the thing to do is just replace the hard drive. It is a Western Digital 60GB drive, identified in Setup as: WD600BB-75CAA0. I can boot to Windows (it's XP, not XP Pro) and do lots of stuff, but there's a good chance if I let it sit for a few hours, it will suddenly not find the hard drive. Frequently, there is a boot message that the hard drive is operating outside of normal specs, strike F1 to continue or F2 for Setup. Sometimes in that situation, Setup does not see the hard drive, sometimes it does. Usually F1 continues the boot sequence, although occasionally it stops again, this time with a "no keyboard" message. What kinds of hard drives do you have lying around, and why are you willing to part with one? For how much? Thanks so much for your response and help. T John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to go > through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a > ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me > know. > > If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the > computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from > scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it > will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it has > less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs > from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers for > the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and > install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to > install so don't bother watching them once started :o) > > Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security) until > done with all of this. > > Good Luck Tina! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over > > Hi, > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > Thanks, > T > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Oct 31 13:45:17 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:45:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005><021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net><028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4AEC85BD.6010100@torchlake.com> Jim, I have forwarded to you a recent copy of the Redmond Report with an article about Win 7 migration woes - a handful of installations get part of the way through and then go into endless loops. The article mentions a workaround. I hope this helps. T Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > I have thrown every virus and malware and rootkit product against the drives > that failed. Nothing! > > My current theory is that a Microsoft update is the culprit but have yet to > find any data on it. I checked the drive update logs and it reveals that MS > performed its last update at 3:00AM, the morning before the crash. The logs > show no errors or issues during the process but 5 hours later all the > computers were locked in an endless boot cycle. > > I have been combing the net but have as yet found no references to that > particular update and errors... > > Any thoughts? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:06 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash > > Hi Jim, > Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. > > If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system > update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. > Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe > that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries > of equipment ;o) > > If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it > (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or > the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre > Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's > history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but > to email the office administrator. > > I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. > > Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get > back up is to reimage all of the stations. > > In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and > scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, > Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have > confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services > running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns > I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with > Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and > the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are > command line options available.) > > If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware > products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They > evaluate these and add them to their detections. > > BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server > didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security > software was on the server? > > Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. > > Best of luck in resolving it. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 13:54:40 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:54:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEC7FC2.9030702@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <95DCD16BC20544A8BF3212DCAD9280E1@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4AEC7FC2.9030702@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <9B9099AF72ED4BBDA0E6B1667752B305@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tina: Hard drives are really cheap now considering the capacity you can get for less than $200... 2TB for $189. Then as you are considering just throw out the old drive and pop a new one in and it a done deal. If you want to stay on the cheap I have seen secondhand 100GB drives selling for $40.00. Glad you can use the info I sent. Good luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over Hi Jim, Thanks for all this good information. Some of it I already know and have done before. Some of it I know intellectually but have never actually done before. I'm printing this off and putting it in my "how to" book. Thanks again. This computer comes from friends who have already replaced it with a newer model. And, no, of course they don't know where the original XP disk is. I count it a major success to have convinced them that the set of disks that came with the new computer must be put in a safe place where they can find them "just in case." However, I do have a working registered copy of WinXP Pro that I can use. There is nothing on this used computer that I want to keep. I had thought to just format the hard drive and install WinXP Pro from my disk. I have set the boot sequence to 1) floppy drive, 2) CD drive, 3) hard drive. There is reason to believe that this hard drive is truly going bad, so I may be simply replacing it after all. I will keep you posted. Thanks, T Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > 1. Number one question, do you have the original XP disk or a similar media. > > 2. If the answer is yes and you would like to do a totally new install go to > section 4 and follow items a to c, then put the XP disk in the CDROM drive > format and install. > > 3. You will need to make a complete copy of the current OS by doing a > complete image backup of the hard drive. You can either use Clonezilla or a > properly prepared Barts PE disk. To do this type of image backup you will > need to a new CD disk and a CD drive that will allow you to write to it. > > How to decide which image application you need. > a. If you have a portable hard drive with sufficient capacity that you can > attach to your ailing computer, Clonezilla is your best choice: > http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge (the 'live' iso) > > b. If you have a network and computers on that LAN with sufficient space > Barts PE disk with DriveImageXML is your choice. If you need it I will send > you a link to a prebuilt ISO disk. > > c. When you have the copies of Clonezilla or/and Barts PE DriveImage ISO use > either to build yourself a CD. The resultant CD disk will be self booting. I > will assume you have products like Nero/ImgBurn/latest Window (Vista/7) that > will provide the capability to burn an ISO to the CDROM. > > d. If your old computer does not boot to the CD drive initially you are > going to have to set that first. Depending on the computer, in most cases > pressing the key just after rebooting will set you into the > hardware system mode. From there you can select the Boot order section and > if the CDROM is not the first item in the boot order list set it so. That is > usually accomplished by navigating, with the cursor keys and by pressing the > PgUp and PgDwn keys to choose and set the option. When satisfied press > to exit and 'Y' and to accept and reboot. > > e. When the newly created CD, boots up you will be immediately prompted as > to which drive to backup and subsequently the destination of the backup; if > you are using Clonezilla or if Barts PE, you will have set the networking > option affirmatively, input the appropriate workgroup/domain and then > navigate to the DriveImageXML menu option. Then you will be prompted to > select the source and destination. Either process, depending on the size of > the drive to be backedup/imaged can take a fair amount of time. > > 4. You will have purchased a new hard drive and wish to replace to current > one. > a. This can be accomplished by removing the left side panel on your computer > by removing the two Phillips or thumb screws at the back of the computer and > sliding the panel off revealing the computers contents. (This assumes a > standard computer box layout) Smaller desktop box varieties may require the > entire top to be removed. Again this is accomplished by removing the > Phillips screws at the back of the case and sliding off the top. > > b. Remove the old hard drive. Depending on the type of drive it will be > either IDE (a wide flat multi-pin cable) or a SATA (thin red cable). Remove > the cables from the old hard drive, both data and power. (There should be no > concern about taking them off as they will only go back on in one way.) > > c. There will be two or four Phillips screws to be removed so the old hard > drive can be slid out and the new one slid in. Replace the screws into the > new drive and attach the data and power supply cables. Make sure all cables > are again secure as unrelated cables may have become loosened because of the > replacement process. Now replace the side panel, secure and turn on the > computer. > > d. Boot again via the CDROM and as explained in section 3 item e but in this > case reverse the process. Browse to the saved directory, in the case of > Clonezilla or browse to the saved directory and select the XML file in the > case of DriveImageXML. > > If the process proceeds unimpaired the new hard drive should now boot up > appropriately once the CD have been removed. > > That is the quick and simple... It is not too simple but I assume little > knowledge on either imaging drives or replacing them. > > This was typed very fast so there may be gram/sp errors but HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over > > Hi, > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > Thanks, > T > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 13:57:21 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:57:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <4AEC85BD.6010100@torchlake.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4AEC85BD.6010100@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4D4145ED11A7441B98E273721CB6400B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tina: Thanks for that information. Though not exactly what I need it does point me to the cause of the particular problem and suggests what the cause and what, with some search, the solution can be. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Jim, I have forwarded to you a recent copy of the Redmond Report with an article about Win 7 migration woes - a handful of installations get part of the way through and then go into endless loops. The article mentions a workaround. I hope this helps. T Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > I have thrown every virus and malware and rootkit product against the drives > that failed. Nothing! > > My current theory is that a Microsoft update is the culprit but have yet to > find any data on it. I checked the drive update logs and it reveals that MS > performed its last update at 3:00AM, the morning before the crash. The logs > show no errors or issues during the process but 5 hours later all the > computers were locked in an endless boot cycle. > > I have been combing the net but have as yet found no references to that > particular update and errors... > > Any thoughts? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:06 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash > > Hi Jim, > Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. > > If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system > update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. > Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe > that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries > of equipment ;o) > > If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it > (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or > the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre > Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's > history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but > to email the office administrator. > > I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. > > Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get > back up is to reimage all of the stations. > > In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and > scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, > Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have > confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services > running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns > I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with > Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and > the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are > command line options available.) > > If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware > products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They > evaluate these and add them to their detections. > > BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server > didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security > software was on the server? > > Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. > > Best of luck in resolving it. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 31 14:06:26 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:06:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <000b01ca5a5d$3eea95e0$bcbfc1a0$@net> Hi Jim, Looks like it may have been a windows update malfunction. I have had a few issues with Windows Update that sound somewhat similar. I suggest a Windows repair. Major hassle but it may solve the issue. I've gotten into the habit of turning any active scanning security products off when running manual windows updates. I also manually use Secunia's web based scanner for other products. That seems to help with the .Net updates but even this doesn't seem to be the full answer. Do you utilize WSUS on any of your systems? John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Hi John: I have thrown every virus and malware and rootkit product against the drives that failed. Nothing! My current theory is that a Microsoft update is the culprit but have yet to find any data on it. I checked the drive update logs and it reveals that MS performed its last update at 3:00AM, the morning before the crash. The logs show no errors or issues during the process but 5 hours later all the computers were locked in an endless boot cycle. I have been combing the net but have as yet found no references to that particular update and errors... Any thoughts? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Hi Jim, Holy crap! I haven't seen anything that extreme. If all the stations were the same hardware, it may have been a system update. I've had the reboot cycle happen to a couple of PCs because of that. Although having all the same hardware in one office sounds great maybe that's a drawback and I should feel lucky I have to work on such menageries of equipment ;o) If it was malicious software then it sounds like Vipre caught part of it (probably a rootkit) and disabled it but missed another dependant part or the malware damaged some part of the Windows startup system. If it is Vipre Enterprise the malware detections would be listed in the server's history/quarantine. I have mine set to now announce anything to the user but to email the office administrator. I suggest contacting Sunbelt immediately upon issues like this. Of course if you have an imaging server system setup the easiest way to get back up is to reimage all of the stations. In the meantime I'd dismount one of the stations hard drives and attach and scan it with a "cleaning" machine loaded with Malwarebytes, AntiVir, Stinger, Rootkit Revealer and any other anti-malware products you have confidence in. (I install them without active protection type services running.) Once done I remount the HD and start in safe mode. Using Autoruns I would disable all unnecessary startups and services. Run a deep scan with Vipre in safe mode to clean the registry. (If this is Vipre Enterprise and the agent's options did not include these abilities via the GUI there are command line options available.) If you copy the logs or zip the quarantine files from the other anti-malware products you can submit them to Sunbelt via their support page. They evaluate these and add them to their detections. BTW were these PCs, terminal server stations or what? Odd that the server didn't get hit at all. I'd be very suspicious of that. What security software was on the server? Arg, these mal-ware programmers are getting far too good at what they do. Best of luck in resolving it. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Oct 31 14:09:09 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:09:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> <4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <003401ca5a5d$a0209a30$e061ce90$@net> Hi Tina, If SpinRite doesn't solve the issue then it is time to junk it! The WD drives with "BB" in the model number are the low end drives. I remove the good parts from PCs I'm recycling. Often times the PC is not wanted because the processor is too slow. The RAM and HD are usually OK. Sometimes I get some other parts like card readers, etc. I'm willing to part with them because I have so many. I'll check and see what I have and let you know. Shipping cost reimbursement is all I'd ask for. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:34 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over Hi John, SpinRite is running on level 4 - smooth as silk until it reached cylinder 4,141, head 252. Here it is laboriously climbing through sectors - up to sector 41 as I am typing this message. Perhaps the thing to do is just replace the hard drive. It is a Western Digital 60GB drive, identified in Setup as: WD600BB-75CAA0. I can boot to Windows (it's XP, not XP Pro) and do lots of stuff, but there's a good chance if I let it sit for a few hours, it will suddenly not find the hard drive. Frequently, there is a boot message that the hard drive is operating outside of normal specs, strike F1 to continue or F2 for Setup. Sometimes in that situation, Setup does not see the hard drive, sometimes it does. Usually F1 continues the boot sequence, although occasionally it stops again, this time with a "no keyboard" message. What kinds of hard drives do you have lying around, and why are you willing to part with one? For how much? Thanks so much for your response and help. T John Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to go > through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a > ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me > know. > > If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the > computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from > scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it > will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it has > less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs > from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers for > the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and > install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to > install so don't bother watching them once started :o) > > Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security) until > done with all of this. > > Good Luck Tina! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over > > Hi, > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > Thanks, > T > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 31 17:03:32 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:03:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Major site crash In-Reply-To: <000b01ca5a5d$3eea95e0$bcbfc1a0$@net> References: <337061D9901D419188041ACF59A8E66B@HAL9005> <021b01ca5652$1aa46990$4fed3cb0$@net> <028101ca5972$893e3660$9bbaa320$@net> <6D8B1503B0EC485890C9A8B78051F5EE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <000b01ca5a5d$3eea95e0$bcbfc1a0$@net> Message-ID: <8E7CF6E0951B45D0ADDEAE21E5ABC9CB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: I have been going through the update log but there is no obvious culprit. It does sound like windows REPAIR is the only option... :-( Lucky it is only 7 computers. (Too small of system to have a full-server remote Work Station deployment applications installed ($700 plus for SSA the last time I looked) but too large to be an easy update... it will probably take 2 days to complete.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Major site crash Hi Jim, Looks like it may have been a windows update malfunction. I have had a few issues with Windows Update that sound somewhat similar. I suggest a Windows repair. Major hassle but it may solve the issue. I've gotten into the habit of turning any active scanning security products off when running manual windows updates. I also manually use Secunia's web based scanner for other products. That seems to help with the .Net updates but even this doesn't seem to be the full answer. Do you utilize WSUS on any of your systems? John B From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:29:11 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:29:11 +0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on Open Source - Linix Derivatives Message-ID: Hello All, I recently started using FileZilla, which is really super. I also recently discovered GIMP, another open source excellent piece of software. Seeing Jim's recent mention of Clonezila, it caused me to wonder about the frequency of Windows based versions of the Linux Open Source product. It is normal, do the Linux community usually produce a Windows Version of their product? TIA Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:35:35 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:35:35 +0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over In-Reply-To: <4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com> References: <4AEB7F76.7030703@torchlake.com> <018e01ca5a4a$6ab9c640$402d52c0$@net> <4AEC8328.6000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hi Tina, Over the last few years, I have had relatively few disk failures, but once I get over the initial shock of losing a drive, I am always delighted because it gives me an excuse to open the drive and show some one how beautiful the inside is. Inside your hard drive is a very clean place. Have fun with it, you may think it is pretty enough to be an ornament of sorts. Mark 2009/11/1 Tina Norris Fields > Hi John, > > SpinRite is running on level 4 - smooth as silk until it reached > cylinder 4,141, head 252. Here it is laboriously climbing through > sectors - up to sector 41 as I am typing this message. > > Perhaps the thing to do is just replace the hard drive. It is a Western > Digital 60GB drive, identified in Setup as: WD600BB-75CAA0. > > I can boot to Windows (it's XP, not XP Pro) and do lots of stuff, but > there's a good chance if I let it sit for a few hours, it will suddenly > not find the hard drive. Frequently, there is a boot message that the > hard drive is operating outside of normal specs, strike F1 to continue > or F2 for Setup. Sometimes in that situation, Setup does not see the > hard drive, sometimes it does. Usually F1 continues the boot sequence, > although occasionally it stops again, this time with a "no keyboard" > message. > > What kinds of hard drives do you have lying around, and why are you > willing to part with one? For how much? > > Thanks so much for your response and help. > > T > > John Bartow wrote: > > Hi Tina, > > Run SpinRite and have do a check of the entire hard drive. Doesn't pay to > go > > through installing the OS from scratch if the hard drive is bad. I have a > > ton of hard drives laying around here if you need a different one let me > > know. > > > > If you have a Product Key number (on the MS sticker) on the case of the > > computer you can use a disk with the same product to install Windows from > > scratch. Then you won't need to worry about formatting or anything as it > > will be an option in the installation procedure. If installing XP and it > has > > less than SP2 then download SP2 and SP3 on you main PC. Install those SPs > > from a USB stick as soon as Windows install is done. If you need drivers > for > > the PC you can download them from the manufacturer's web support site and > > install them from a USB stick too. XP, SP2 and SP3 will take some time to > > install so don't bother watching them once started :o) > > > > Also don't bother installing any additional apps (including security) > until > > done with all of this. > > > > Good Luck Tina! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > > Fields > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:06 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Format hard drive and start over > > > > Hi, > > > > Please hold my hand while I do this for the first time. I've been given > > a used Win XP machine, with a 60GB hard drive that is failing. I would > > like to reformat this hard drive and reinstall the operating system and > > see if I can get some good out of the machine - for teaching kids and > > others, and for playing around; this is not a production machine for > > me. Before I dive into this for the first time, I would like a little > > guidance. Okay? I'm listening. > > > > Thanks, > > T > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 31 23:30:10 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:30:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Question on Open Source - Linix Derivatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AED0ED2.3127.1462A213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> There is a great deal of open source software available for Windows. Check out Open Disk for a start. I periodically pay my $20 and get sent the latest versions on CD. http://www.theopendisc.com/ -- Stuart On 1 Nov 2009 at 9:29, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I recently started using FileZilla, which is really super. I also recently > discovered GIMP, another open source excellent piece of software. > > Seeing Jim's recent mention of Clonezila, it caused me to wonder about the > frequency of Windows based versions of the Linux Open Source product. It is > normal, do the Linux community usually produce a Windows Version of their > product? > > TIA > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com