From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep  1 01:00:44 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:00:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another challenger
In-Reply-To: <4A9BF513.7070307@torchlake.com>
References: <2B5E8C013F13403F989C42A154C2BB3A@SusanOne>
	<4A9BF513.7070307@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <3CE9952DE77242239DD4D5EF16E9A3EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

According to the following link, Microsoft has a new challenger:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/technology/business-computing/31virtual.ht
ml

Jim



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Sep  1 08:37:20 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:37:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup
command prompt and type in bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup CD. 
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Sep  1 09:13:41 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:13:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm 


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type
in bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD. 
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Sep  1 09:55:44 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:55:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 11:51:11 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:51:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Sep  1 14:29:38 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:29:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>

Path of least resistance!


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 14:38:01 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:38:01 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>
	<F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
Message-ID: <4a9d7856.1701d00a.0193.19d7@mx.google.com>

Yeah, but sometimes when your trouble shooting people find it hard to step
back and say "what am I actually trying to do".  

I do this and I call it lateral thinking but actually it is just a reality
check.

I think it is worth a few merit marks anyway.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:30
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Path of least resistance!


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Sep  1 15:01:16 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:01:16 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <4a9d7856.1701d00a.0193.19d7@mx.google.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com><F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
	<4a9d7856.1701d00a.0193.19d7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B88F175C2AF44688BBBBFBEDF4834EFC@jt2c>

You're too kind :-)


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:38
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Yeah, but sometimes when your trouble shooting people find it hard to step
back and say "what am I actually trying to do".  

I do this and I call it lateral thinking but actually it is just a reality
check.

I think it is worth a few merit marks anyway.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:30
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Path of least resistance!


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Sep  1 15:02:57 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:02:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>,
	<F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C99@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Broke the Mother Board connector. Was a push connector and I pulled it of the wires. Have to bring it into work tomorrow and get it fixed.
Sometimes I hate computers

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda [jon at tydda.plus.com]
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:29
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Path of least resistance!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 15:08:20 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:08:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <B88F175C2AF44688BBBBFBEDF4834EFC@jt2c>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com><F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>	<4a9d7856.1701d00a.0193.19d7@mx.google.com>
	<B88F175C2AF44688BBBBFBEDF4834EFC@jt2c>
Message-ID: <4a9d7f72.1c05d00a.0ddf.0836@mx.google.com>

I know, it is my generous nature.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 01 September 2009 21:01
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

You're too kind :-)


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:38
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Yeah, but sometimes when your trouble shooting people find it hard to step
back and say "what am I actually trying to do".  

I do this and I call it lateral thinking but actually it is just a reality
check.

I think it is worth a few merit marks anyway.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:30
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Path of least resistance!


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and 
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep  1 16:54:49 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:54:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C99@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C81@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<6CC1A3E73DA3466ABB2245E657820668@Mattys>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514AA@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207312690E2@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<4a9d5133.1818d00a.7e52.0036@mx.google.com>
	<F3BB6619C0354A0EB9F7154A8B553136@jt2c>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C99@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CCA420F3929C4AA4A190BA3D5B79EA4F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Didn't push the release chip in... easy to do... sometimes I wonder why
computers were not designed to be assembled and disassembled with a hammer
and slot screw-driver. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Broke the Mother Board connector. Was a push connector and I pulled it of
the wires. Have to bring it into work tomorrow and get it fixed.
Sometimes I hate computers

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
[jon at tydda.plus.com]
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:29
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Path of least resistance!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 01 September 2009 17:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Good lateral thinking Jon

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 01 September 2009 15:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Can't you take the drive out, slave it into another system, format it and
start again, and do it properly this time? ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Martin,
Maybe you can get some ideas here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318728

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] stuffed install

Oh, is this that thing where you go to the setup command prompt and type in
bootcfg /rebuild?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] stuffed install


>I screwed up an OS install. Windows and now I get NTLDR is missing and
>cannot boot from CD. I also get an error when I rerun the Windows setup
CD.
>Its driving me nuts.
>
> Nothing I do seems to boot this thing. Any help appreciated.
>
> Winner gets a link to an online demo of Access Web Databases - VBG
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  2 10:58:44 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:58:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Serious storage on a budget
In-Reply-To: <3CE9952DE77242239DD4D5EF16E9A3EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <2B5E8C013F13403F989C42A154C2BB3A@SusanOne>
	<4A9BF513.7070307@torchlake.com>
	<3CE9952DE77242239DD4D5EF16E9A3EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D6EC15724EAD4E13AA3849C5EBB2ABF2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For you fellows that need some serious storage but can not afford to pay too
much here is something you might be interested in. 

http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-chea
p-cloud-storage/

Jim 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 11:23:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:23:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Serious storage on a budget
In-Reply-To: <D6EC15724EAD4E13AA3849C5EBB2ABF2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <2B5E8C013F13403F989C42A154C2BB3A@SusanOne>	<4A9BF513.7070307@torchlake.com>	<3CE9952DE77242239DD4D5EF16E9A3EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D6EC15724EAD4E13AA3849C5EBB2ABF2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4a9e9c18.0508d00a.7c14.0e61@mx.google.com>

Fascinating stuff.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 September 2009 16:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Serious storage on a budget

For you fellows that need some serious storage but can not afford to pay too
much here is something you might be interested in. 

http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-chea
p-cloud-storage/

Jim 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 11:37:56 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:37:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Corrupted Workbook
Message-ID: <31AF394249394BFF976A9C37D76F1F11@SusanOne>

I'm writing about recovering corrupted workbook files today. If you have a 
technique you'd like to share and I don't already have it, I'll be sure to 
credit you with the tip and include contact information, if you'd like.

I've already compiled a lot of methods -- Excel's built-in recovery 
features, opening the file in Word or WordPad, change the extension, set 
calculation mode to Manual before opening, move the file, Office Tools, 
reference corrupted data in new workbook, OpenOffice....

Full recovery isn't necessary -- just extracting data from a corrupted file 
may be the best you can get sometimes. Also, if you've used a third-party 
product and would like to recommend it, I'll probably list a few of those 
too.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 10:12:11 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:12:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question -- favor
Message-ID: <3173D8F1F9884EF38FD1C81BE4444857@SusanOne>

I'm not running Outlook 2007, I'm running 2003 and 2010 (beta). Would 
someone mind checking something for me in 2007?

In 2010, you can quickly change a message's format from the ribbon as 
follows:

In Outlook 2010 (still in beta), it's a bit easier. Select the Format Text 
tab in the new message window and choose a format from the Format group.



Does 2007 have the same ribbon tab and Format group? Also, to change the 
default setting in 2010, you do the following:



Click the Office button (tab).

In the left panel, select Outlook and then click Options.

In the left panel, choose Mail.

Select a format in the Compose Messages section.





I'm assuming these tasks are the same in 2007 -- can someone verify that for 
me?



Thanks!

Susan H.



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  3 11:01:47 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:01:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question -- favor
In-Reply-To: <3173D8F1F9884EF38FD1C81BE4444857@SusanOne>
References: <3173D8F1F9884EF38FD1C81BE4444857@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <019f01ca2caf$d7902ed0$86b08c70$@net>

Yes - it appears the same on the message ribbon in Outlook 2007 (what's
wrong MS, getting lazy, not confusing us again by subtlety changing the
ribbons?

The main programs options are different in Outlook 2007 as there is still a
menu like Outlook 2003, so: Tools | Options [Mail Format]

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:12 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question -- favor



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 11:06:08 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:06:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question -- favor
References: <3173D8F1F9884EF38FD1C81BE4444857@SusanOne>
	<019f01ca2caf$d7902ed0$86b08c70$@net>
Message-ID: <CC93F6A6707F4F24B99A8F2ACCBDD82C@SusanOne>

Thanks for checking John -- I appreciate it!

Susan H.


> Yes - it appears the same on the message ribbon in Outlook 2007 (what's
> wrong MS, getting lazy, not confusing us again by subtlety changing the
> ribbons?
>
> The main programs options are different in Outlook 2007 as there is still 
> a
> menu like Outlook 2003, so: Tools | Options [Mail Format]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question -- favor
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 15:23:39 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:23:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

this Blocked File is an issue if you do not anticipate it, it is a bigger
issue if you are playing with Virtual machines and regularly copying whole
directories across the network.  I am happily using Streams.EXE for the last
few weeks and it works a treat.

To avoid problems read the article at

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897440.aspx


Here is a snip from MS's site
<

Introduction

The NTFS file system provides applications the ability to create alternate
data streams of information. By default, all data is stored in a file's main
unnamed data stream, but by using the syntax 'file:stream', you are able to
read and write to alternates. Not all applications are written to access
alternate streams, but you can demonstrate streams very simply. First,
change to a directory on a NTFS drive from within a command prompt. Next,
type 'echo hello > test:stream'. You've just created a stream named 'stream'
that is associated with the file 'test'. Note that when you look at the size
of test it is reported as 0, and the file looks empty when opened in any
text editor. To see your stream enter 'more < test:stream' (the type command
doesn't accept stream syntax so you have to use more).

NT does not come with any tools that let you see which NTFS files have
streams associated with them, so I've written one myself. Streams will
examine the files and directories (note that directories can also have
alternate data streams) you specify and inform you of the name and sizes of
any named streams it encounters within those files. Streams makes use of an
undocumented native function for retrieving file stream information.


Using Streams

*Usage: streams [-s] [-d] <file or directory>*
*-s*Recurse subdirectories.*-d*Delete streams.
Streams takes wildcards e.g. 'streams *.txt'.
/>


I do hope that it is useful for someone,
thanks

Mark Breen




2009/8/27 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>

> Stuart:
>
> "At the bottom of the General tan is a section labeled "Security". and the
> wording "This file came from another computer and might be blocked to help
> protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this. "
>
> I don't have any of that.  There's a security tab but no Unblock option.
> I'm
> running Vista Ultimate.
>
> Rocky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
>
> Two ways:
>
> 1. Rught click on it and select Properties.
>
> At the bottom of the General tan is a section labelled "Security". and the
> wording "This file came from another computer and might beblocked to help
> protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this.  Then run
> the program.  The last step is essential.  If you jus unblock it but don't
> run it it stays blocked.
>
> 2. When you get the security warning, de-select the check box at the bottom
> of the dialog.
> "Always ask before opening this file".
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Aug 2009 at 6:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
> > stop asking me every time I run it?
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  3 16:33:16 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:33:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

This could be very useful if it allows streams that are web based...

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question

Hello All,

this Blocked File is an issue if you do not anticipate it, it is a bigger
issue if you are playing with Virtual machines and regularly copying whole
directories across the network.  I am happily using Streams.EXE for the last
few weeks and it works a treat.

To avoid problems read the article at

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897440.aspx


Here is a snip from MS's site
<

Introduction

The NTFS file system provides applications the ability to create alternate
data streams of information. By default, all data is stored in a file's main
unnamed data stream, but by using the syntax 'file:stream', you are able to
read and write to alternates. Not all applications are written to access
alternate streams, but you can demonstrate streams very simply. First,
change to a directory on a NTFS drive from within a command prompt. Next,
type 'echo hello > test:stream'. You've just created a stream named 'stream'
that is associated with the file 'test'. Note that when you look at the size
of test it is reported as 0, and the file looks empty when opened in any
text editor. To see your stream enter 'more < test:stream' (the type command
doesn't accept stream syntax so you have to use more).

NT does not come with any tools that let you see which NTFS files have
streams associated with them, so I've written one myself. Streams will
examine the files and directories (note that directories can also have
alternate data streams) you specify and inform you of the name and sizes of
any named streams it encounters within those files. Streams makes use of an
undocumented native function for retrieving file stream information.


Using Streams

*Usage: streams [-s] [-d] <file or directory>*
*-s*Recurse subdirectories.*-d*Delete streams.
Streams takes wildcards e.g. 'streams *.txt'.
/>


I do hope that it is useful for someone,
thanks

Mark Breen




2009/8/27 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>

> Stuart:
>
> "At the bottom of the General tan is a section labeled "Security". and the
> wording "This file came from another computer and might be blocked to help
> protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this. "
>
> I don't have any of that.  There's a security tab but no Unblock option.
> I'm
> running Vista Ultimate.
>
> Rocky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
>
> Two ways:
>
> 1. Rught click on it and select Properties.
>
> At the bottom of the General tan is a section labelled "Security". and the
> wording "This file came from another computer and might beblocked to help
> protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this.  Then run
> the program.  The last step is essential.  If you jus unblock it but don't
> run it it stays blocked.
>
> 2. When you get the security warning, de-select the check box at the
bottom
> of the dialog.
> "Always ask before opening this file".
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 27 Aug 2009 at 6:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
> > How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
> > stop asking me every time I run it?
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 03:38:46 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:38:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909040138n22e94ac8m358c7b350b67b0f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,
Not sure what you mean by streams that are web based.

Am I unaware of what you are referring to, or has the ambiguous names
MS gave to this concept confused the issue for you?

for streams read "Files that came from another machines that this one"
for the functionality being delivered, read "Unblock *.* /s

what were you referring to?

thanks

Mark




2009/9/3 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> Hi Mark:
>
> This could be very useful if it allows streams that are web based...
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
>
> Hello All,
>
> this Blocked File is an issue if you do not anticipate it, it is a bigger
> issue if you are playing with Virtual machines and regularly copying whole
> directories across the network.  I am happily using Streams.EXE for the
> last
> few weeks and it works a treat.
>
> To avoid problems read the article at
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897440.aspx
>
>
> Here is a snip from MS's site
> <
>
> Introduction
>
> The NTFS file system provides applications the ability to create alternate
> data streams of information. By default, all data is stored in a file's
> main
> unnamed data stream, but by using the syntax 'file:stream', you are able to
> read and write to alternates. Not all applications are written to access
> alternate streams, but you can demonstrate streams very simply. First,
> change to a directory on a NTFS drive from within a command prompt. Next,
> type 'echo hello > test:stream'. You've just created a stream named
> 'stream'
> that is associated with the file 'test'. Note that when you look at the
> size
> of test it is reported as 0, and the file looks empty when opened in any
> text editor. To see your stream enter 'more < test:stream' (the type
> command
> doesn't accept stream syntax so you have to use more).
>
> NT does not come with any tools that let you see which NTFS files have
> streams associated with them, so I've written one myself. Streams will
> examine the files and directories (note that directories can also have
> alternate data streams) you specify and inform you of the name and sizes of
> any named streams it encounters within those files. Streams makes use of an
> undocumented native function for retrieving file stream information.
>
>
> Using Streams
>
> *Usage: streams [-s] [-d] <file or directory>*
> *-s*Recurse subdirectories.*-d*Delete streams.
> Streams takes wildcards e.g. 'streams *.txt'.
> />
>
>
> I do hope that it is useful for someone,
> thanks
>
> Mark Breen
>
>
>
>
> 2009/8/27 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>
> > Stuart:
> >
> > "At the bottom of the General tan is a section labeled "Security". and
> the
> > wording "This file came from another computer and might be blocked to
> help
> > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this. "
> >
> > I don't have any of that.  There's a security tab but no Unblock option.
> > I'm
> > running Vista Ultimate.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
> >
> > Two ways:
> >
> > 1. Rught click on it and select Properties.
> >
> > At the bottom of the General tan is a section labelled "Security". and
> the
> > wording "This file came from another computer and might beblocked to help
> > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this.  Then run
> > the program.  The last step is essential.  If you jus unblock it but
> don't
> > run it it stays blocked.
> >
> > 2. When you get the security warning, de-select the check box at the
> bottom
> > of the dialog.
> > "Always ask before opening this file".
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 27 Aug 2009 at 6:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
> > > stop asking me every time I run it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 04:02:50 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:02:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Serious storage on a budget
In-Reply-To: <4a9e9c18.0508d00a.7c14.0e61@mx.google.com>
References: <2B5E8C013F13403F989C42A154C2BB3A@SusanOne>
	<4A9BF513.7070307@torchlake.com>
	<3CE9952DE77242239DD4D5EF16E9A3EA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D6EC15724EAD4E13AA3849C5EBB2ABF2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4a9e9c18.0508d00a.7c14.0e61@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909040202i39fab7ddnc6f7dc926d6c9dd6@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, absolutely fascinating,
I loved this

I never can understand why people pay such big money for storage.

Mark




2009/9/2 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>

> Fascinating stuff.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 02 September 2009 16:59
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Serious storage on a budget
>
> For you fellows that need some serious storage but can not afford to pay
> too
> much here is something you might be interested in.
>
>
> http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-chea
> p-cloud-storage/
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 05:54:06 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:54:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1 FULL
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Message-ID: <4aa0f202.0af6660a.0f11.ffff8ca1@mx.google.com>

Shamil, with your interest in both Web Sites AND VB, I thought you might
like a look at this.

Max


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep  4 09:28:14 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:28:14 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1	FULL
	CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...
Message-ID: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Thanks for the Friday input.

It sounds more along the line of Drew: ASP Classic and some dll files doing stuff.
By the why, does anyone still program in VB? Except Drew, of course ...

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 04-09-2009 12:54 >>>
Shamil, with your interest in both Web Sites AND VB, I thought you might
like a look at this.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 09:39:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:39:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions:
	A1	FULL	CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...
In-Reply-To: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>
References: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>

> By the why, does anyone still program in VB?

I think it is a throwback to the days when a person could code anything with
a small footprint, fast processing, and rapid deployment all combined.

You know, before BLOAT and before "Ease of Use" became a dirty word.  

Whatever we do now with the new-fangled programming languages, nothing
changes to what is delivered to the client.  

However the stuff behind the screen is manipulated matters not a jot to the
client.  All he sees is what is on the screen.  

Today we have the equivalent for hyperbole for languages in multitude of
dialects.  Every person who develops a new language does more to increase
the height of the Tower of Babel then they do to reduce it.

What we need is one programming language incorporating the best of all.  In
the same way we need one language for all mankind.

Well, you did ask!

Max


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 04 September 2009 15:28
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1 FULL
CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...

Hi Max

Thanks for the Friday input.

It sounds more along the line of Drew: ASP Classic and some dll files doing
stuff.
By the why, does anyone still program in VB? Except Drew, of course ...

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 04-09-2009 12:54 >>>
Shamil, with your interest in both Web Sites AND VB, I thought you might
like a look at this.

Max


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Subject: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1 FULL CGI/ASP Website
Using only VB6, with Login, Administration, and Internal Messaging (Updated)



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep  4 10:03:02 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:03:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00909040138n22e94ac8m358c7b350b67b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d00909040138n22e94ac8m358c7b350b67b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDF00299892F4BC29B988FE1AC53CCC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

Looking at the description closer, I am not sure this little apps function
is exactly my understanding of streaming.

I have worked on streaming from applications like a Flash or Red server, or
streaming of images from ADO with MS SQL server. My understanding of
streaming is the ability the pass data from one object to another in a non
synchronize way... more like a continuous bit stream or broadcast rather
than in blocks and in a separate pipe and background process.

Maybe if you describe how you have utilized this little app, to solve a
problem and provide some sample coding that would be a better explanation.

Jim
  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question

Hello Jim,
Not sure what you mean by streams that are web based.

Am I unaware of what you are referring to, or has the ambiguous names
MS gave to this concept confused the issue for you?

for streams read "Files that came from another machines that this one"
for the functionality being delivered, read "Unblock *.* /s

what were you referring to?

thanks

Mark




2009/9/3 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> Hi Mark:
>
> This could be very useful if it allows streams that are web based...
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
>
> Hello All,
>
> this Blocked File is an issue if you do not anticipate it, it is a bigger
> issue if you are playing with Virtual machines and regularly copying whole
> directories across the network.  I am happily using Streams.EXE for the
> last
> few weeks and it works a treat.
>
> To avoid problems read the article at
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897440.aspx
>
>
> Here is a snip from MS's site
> <
>
> Introduction
>
> The NTFS file system provides applications the ability to create alternate
> data streams of information. By default, all data is stored in a file's
> main
> unnamed data stream, but by using the syntax 'file:stream', you are able
to
> read and write to alternates. Not all applications are written to access
> alternate streams, but you can demonstrate streams very simply. First,
> change to a directory on a NTFS drive from within a command prompt. Next,
> type 'echo hello > test:stream'. You've just created a stream named
> 'stream'
> that is associated with the file 'test'. Note that when you look at the
> size
> of test it is reported as 0, and the file looks empty when opened in any
> text editor. To see your stream enter 'more < test:stream' (the type
> command
> doesn't accept stream syntax so you have to use more).
>
> NT does not come with any tools that let you see which NTFS files have
> streams associated with them, so I've written one myself. Streams will
> examine the files and directories (note that directories can also have
> alternate data streams) you specify and inform you of the name and sizes
of
> any named streams it encounters within those files. Streams makes use of
an
> undocumented native function for retrieving file stream information.
>
>
> Using Streams
>
> *Usage: streams [-s] [-d] <file or directory>*
> *-s*Recurse subdirectories.*-d*Delete streams.
> Streams takes wildcards e.g. 'streams *.txt'.
> />
>
>
> I do hope that it is useful for someone,
> thanks
>
> Mark Breen
>
>
>
>
> 2009/8/27 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>
> > Stuart:
> >
> > "At the bottom of the General tan is a section labeled "Security". and
> the
> > wording "This file came from another computer and might be blocked to
> help
> > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this. "
> >
> > I don't have any of that.  There's a security tab but no Unblock option.
> > I'm
> > running Vista Ultimate.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
> >
> > Two ways:
> >
> > 1. Rught click on it and select Properties.
> >
> > At the bottom of the General tan is a section labelled "Security". and
> the
> > wording "This file came from another computer and might beblocked to
help
> > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this.  Then
run
> > the program.  The last step is essential.  If you jus unblock it but
> don't
> > run it it stays blocked.
> >
> > 2. When you get the security warning, de-select the check box at the
> bottom
> > of the dialog.
> > "Always ask before opening this file".
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 27 Aug 2009 at 6:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> >
> > > How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
> > > stop asking me every time I run it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep  4 12:24:56 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:24:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Of great concern
In-Reply-To: <EDF00299892F4BC29B988FE1AC53CCC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d00909040138n22e94ac8m358c7b350b67b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<EDF00299892F4BC29B988FE1AC53CCC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <2214E90903D04572B62A7B9482C0FEFA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This is of great concern for me.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137508/EC_opens_deeper_probe_of_Orac
le_Sun_merger?source=rss_bi

It is not so much that there will be limited access to options, though that
is a concern; it is that products like MySQL will not longer be a source of
innovation.

We all remember when Microsoft bought up FoxBase with it incredible search
engine. At the time FoxBase was the database of all small to medium
companies. FoxBase is gone, its technology stripped out for the use of other
fledgling databases like MS Access, its designers absorbed away to other
project like the then new DB MS SQL 6.x and finally under resourced and
marketed, it has faded away.

MySQL has grown in size and power and now is a challenger for many high
priced and corporate databases. It has also been a source of many brilliant
innovations from the very best minds of students, doing their thesis on data
structures to senior system architects implementing some design discovery,
each in turn adding a bit more to this system. In effect it has become a
global community database design project.

If Oracle, the epitome of a corporation, can resist the temptation to simply
absorb MySQL into its corporate environment that will be excellent but if
not it will be a sad day as Coorporations are rarely the creator of
innovation but only the sellers of it.

Jim  



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep  4 15:26:37 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:26:37 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1 FULL
	CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...
In-Reply-To: <4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>
References: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>,
	<4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4AA177FD.21179.8EFCFCB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Sep 2009 at 15:39, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> I think it is a throwback to the days when a person could code anything with
> a small footprint, fast processing, and rapid deployment all combined.
> 

Those days are still here. You are describing PB/WIn from PowerBasic

> You know, before BLOAT and before "Ease of Use" became a dirty word.  
> 

That is a real compiler directive in PB/Win:
<quote>
#BLOAT metastatement
Purpose
 Artificially inflate the disk image size of a compiled program.
 Syntax
 #BLOAT size_expression
 Remarks
 #BLOAT allows the creation of artificially bloated program files on disk, in order to match or 
exceed that generated by competing "BloatWare" compilers.  #BLOAT does not affect the 
memory image size (running size) of a compiled program.
 </quote>

> Whatever we do now with the new-fangled programming languages, nothing
> changes to what is delivered to the client.  
> 

I'm right in the processing of re-writing the VB6 data entry applications for the PNG Electoral 
Roll in PB/Win.  Looks exactly the same, but it's smaller and faster with no dependencies on 
registered components so it's zero configuration on workstation.
 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 15:33:53 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:33:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1
	FULL	CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...
In-Reply-To: <4AA177FD.21179.8EFCFCB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>,
	<4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>
	<4AA177FD.21179.8EFCFCB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4aa179e3.0c58560a.7aa3.ffffed81@mx.google.com>

You missed the bit where it says...

<quote>
<invoke XML Bloat thingy.>
.
.
.
.
<.XML bloat>
</quote>



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 04 September 2009 21:27
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World Submissions: A1 FULL
CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...

On 4 Sep 2009 at 15:39, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> I think it is a throwback to the days when a person could code anything
with
> a small footprint, fast processing, and rapid deployment all combined.
> 

Those days are still here. You are describing PB/WIn from PowerBasic

> You know, before BLOAT and before "Ease of Use" became a dirty word.  
> 

That is a real compiler directive in PB/Win:
<quote>
#BLOAT metastatement
Purpose
 Artificially inflate the disk image size of a compiled program.
 Syntax
 #BLOAT size_expression
 Remarks
 #BLOAT allows the creation of artificially bloated program files on disk,
in order to match or 
exceed that generated by competing "BloatWare" compilers.  #BLOAT does not
affect the 
memory image size (running size) of a compiled program.
 </quote>

> Whatever we do now with the new-fangled programming languages, nothing
> changes to what is delivered to the client.  
> 

I'm right in the processing of re-writing the VB6 data entry applications
for the PNG Electoral 
Roll in PB/Win.  Looks exactly the same, but it's smaller and faster with no
dependencies on 
registered components so it's zero configuration on workstation.
 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 18:32:30 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:32:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
Message-ID: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/HA011163551033.aspx

Now, I've always read that you should reduce graphics to 72 dpi because 
that's the best you're going to see in a presentation -- and accommodate 
individual graphics accordingly if you need better print quality or you're 
outputting to film slides. This guy says that doesn't apply.

Anyone want to shed some light on this for me?

Susan H. 



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Sep  4 18:41:47 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 00:41:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
References: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <51D3D9952488404796F7B253B8FAE8B8@jt2c>

I don't know about that, but I did hear some great advice about Powerpoint
pesentations:

They should be like a woman's skirt. Long enough to cover everything, but
short enough to be of interest...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 05 September 2009 00:33
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/HA011163551033.aspx

Now, I've always read that you should reduce graphics to 72 dpi because
that's the best you're going to see in a presentation -- and accommodate
individual graphics accordingly if you need better print quality or you're
outputting to film slides. This guy says that doesn't apply.

Anyone want to shed some light on this for me?

Susan H. 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep  4 18:44:57 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:44:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
References: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AA1A679.31307.9A566FE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should be same pixel size 
as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate pixels.


On 4 Sep 2009 at 19:32, Susan Harkins wrote:

> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/HA011163551033.aspx
> 
> Now, I've always read that you should reduce graphics to 72 dpi because 
> that's the best you're going to see in a presentation -- and accommodate 
> individual graphics accordingly if you need better print quality or you're 
> outputting to film slides. This guy says that doesn't apply.
> 
> Anyone want to shed some light on this for me?
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 18:50:50 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 00:50:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <51D3D9952488404796F7B253B8FAE8B8@jt2c>
References: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
	<51D3D9952488404796F7B253B8FAE8B8@jt2c>
Message-ID: <4aa1a80b.0c58560a.7aa3.4367@mx.google.com>

I bet you get smacked for that!!! LOL

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 05 September 2009 00:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution

I don't know about that, but I did hear some great advice about Powerpoint
pesentations:

They should be like a woman's skirt. Long enough to cover everything, but
short enough to be of interest...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 05 September 2009 00:33
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/HA011163551033.aspx

Now, I've always read that you should reduce graphics to 72 dpi because
that's the best you're going to see in a presentation -- and accommodate
individual graphics accordingly if you need better print quality or you're
outputting to film slides. This guy says that doesn't apply.

Anyone want to shed some light on this for me?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 09:13:02 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:13:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
References: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>
	<4AA1A679.31307.9A566FE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2219803248CF4A01B1AC756B73B9968C@SusanOne>

I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its 
display size?

Susan H.


> He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should be 
> same pixel size
> as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate 
> pixels.



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Sep  5 09:33:10 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:33:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocking in IE8
Message-ID: <C41545F6EF7B41BB926F2ACF99E966C8@jt2c>

Sorry for the cross post, but I just found this and thought everyone should
know.
 
I've been using Ad-Block Pro for a couple of years, but when I upgraded to
IE8, it stopped working, which was REALLY annoying.
 
I've found a really useful accident that is included with IE8 that'll block
ads for you, without having to download or install anything!
 
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/04/03/ie8-ad-block
ing-with-the-inprivate-filter.aspx
 
Hope someone else finds it as useful as I did!
 
 
Jon


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep  5 09:40:50 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:40:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
Message-ID: <saa294bc.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

That's what you have the dpi (dots per inch) for: size = dots / dpi

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-09-2009 16:13 >>>
I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its display size?

Susan H.


> He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should be same pixel size
> as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate pixels.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 10:37:28 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:37:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
References: <saa294bc.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <8A471FA7F5D649C5A7C21808ED40808C@SusanOne>

Yes, I can see where they two might conflict -- you don't want to degrade 
the picture within the context of the resulting picture's pixel size -- I 
get that -- well, I think I do.

What I'm wondering is this -- can you even compare dpi resolution to pixel 
size, when discussing the actual graphic's size. If you insert a 300 dpi 
file, when a 72 dpi will do... does the size of the graphic file matter or 
not? A 72 dpi file will be much smaller than a 300 dpi. It should matter. At 
least, I thought it did.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan
>
> That's what you have the dpi (dots per inch) for: size = dots / dpi
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-09-2009 16:13 >>>
> I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its 
> display size?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should 
>> be same pixel size
>> as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate 
>> pixels.
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 11:04:51 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:04:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Javascript being blocked in IE8
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909050904v462dbaf8n26f7f0f948302a8a@mail.gmail.com>

Can you tell me how to remove the Javascript block that seems to be
occurring in my instance of IE8?
Thx,
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 11:15:41 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:15:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Workgroups
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909050915g1cdf2b1fy991c64f113f0e92@mail.gmail.com>

I have a desktop running Windows Server 64 bit and a notebook running Vista.
Both have been designated as belonging to the Camelot workgroup, But they
cannot see each other. I have marked a directory as Shared on both
computers. What am I failing to do? How can I fix this? Currently I'm
copying files from one to the other using a flash drive, but I would like to
move beyond this.
TIA,
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 11:30:38 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:30:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have an example Non-Disclosure Agreement they would be willing
to share? I need one now and don't really want to write one. Meanwhile, I'll
try Google and Bing and see what I can find.
TIA,
Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  5 11:49:41 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:49:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <711458D7F25543348607D5C854E27848@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I do have one but it is 20 pages long with phases like 'first born',
'criminal record' and as I remember some paragraph about being 'burned at
the steak'. (I believe it was something to do with meat preparation.)

I do not know whether I am even allowed to divulge the agreement but if you
want I will dig through the small print.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA

Does anyone have an example Non-Disclosure Agreement they would be willing
to share? I need one now and don't really want to write one. Meanwhile, I'll
try Google and Bing and see what I can find.
TIA,
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  5 11:50:03 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:50:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocking in IE8
In-Reply-To: <C41545F6EF7B41BB926F2ACF99E966C8@jt2c>
References: <C41545F6EF7B41BB926F2ACF99E966C8@jt2c>
Message-ID: <74880D85FD0B4A1DA38EBC92BE7F1C8D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the tip Jon.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocking in IE8

Sorry for the cross post, but I just found this and thought everyone should
know.
 
I've been using Ad-Block Pro for a couple of years, but when I upgraded to
IE8, it stopped working, which was REALLY annoying.
 
I've found a really useful accident that is included with IE8 that'll block
ads for you, without having to download or install anything!
 
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/04/03/ie8-ad-block
ing-with-the-inprivate-filter.aspx
 
Hope someone else finds it as useful as I did!
 
 
Jon
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  5 11:52:51 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:52:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Workgroups
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909050915g1cdf2b1fy991c64f113f0e92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909050915g1cdf2b1fy991c64f113f0e92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75C5A5415B99430DA47D5CDB582C79CF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

There could be a lot of reasons... so I will ask the obvious: You have a
common WG or Domain setup on both computers yet? By the way what windows
server are you talking about?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Workgroups

I have a desktop running Windows Server 64 bit and a notebook running Vista.
Both have been designated as belonging to the Camelot workgroup, But they
cannot see each other. I have marked a directory as Shared on both
computers. What am I failing to do? How can I fix this? Currently I'm
copying files from one to the other using a flash drive, but I would like to
move beyond this.
TIA,
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:14:28 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:14:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Workgroups
In-Reply-To: <75C5A5415B99430DA47D5CDB582C79CF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0909050915g1cdf2b1fy991c64f113f0e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<75C5A5415B99430DA47D5CDB582C79CF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909051014p4eeaa637j4b1a472b769813b9@mail.gmail.com>

When I originally set the computers up, I supplied the same workgroup name
for both computers. But that's all I did. Is there a separate step in which
I "set up" the workgroup? The server is running Windows Server Enterprise,
copyright 2007, with SP1.
Arthur

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> There could be a lot of reasons... so I will ask the obvious: You have a
> common WG or Domain setup on both computers yet? By the way what windows
> server are you talking about?
>
> Jim
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:22:56 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:22:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA
In-Reply-To: <711458D7F25543348607D5C854E27848@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<711458D7F25543348607D5C854E27848@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909051022j6783c03dtcad282753e7917b9@mail.gmail.com>

I found one using Bing. Thanks, though.
Arthur

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I do have one but it is 20 pages long with phases like 'first born',
> 'criminal record' and as I remember some paragraph about being 'burned at
> the steak'. (I believe it was something to do with meat preparation.)
>
> I do not know whether I am even allowed to divulge the agreement but if you
> want I will dig through the small print.
>
> Jim
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Sep  5 15:24:46 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:24:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909050930x4d9b715cj31af89e130d628d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB46C1C88F148739E2814EDEF39CA2F@HAL9005>

Set a couple off-line.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] NDA

Does anyone have an example Non-Disclosure Agreement they would be willing
to share? I need one now and don't really want to write one. Meanwhile, I'll
try Google and Bing and see what I can find.
TIA,
Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  5 16:51:14 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 07:51:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <2219803248CF4A01B1AC756B73B9968C@SusanOne>
References: <80C6147D86BA4669A1914798D2D63BEE@SusanOne>,
	<2219803248CF4A01B1AC756B73B9968C@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AA2DD52.24202.E63A80C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Take a 10 megapixel picture from a digital camera it will be 
2592 x 3872 pixels in size.   If you display it full screen, its display size may be 1280 x 800 
or some other figure dependent on the resolution of your display.

When you include an image as part of a Powerpoint slide, its display size could be anything.
In that situation, you should ideally use a good editor to crop and then resize/resample the 
image so that it is the same size as the display area you want it in.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Sep 2009 at 10:13, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its 
> display size?
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should be 
> > same pixel size
> > as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate 
> > pixels.
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  5 17:02:12 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:02:12 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <8A471FA7F5D649C5A7C21808ED40808C@SusanOne>
References: <saa294bc.066@cactus.dk>,
	<8A471FA7F5D649C5A7C21808ED40808C@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AA2DFE4.25332.E6DAEEF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

DPI and pixel size are two different things.   

DPI is a printing *resolution*.  ie how many dots will be displayed on each linear inch of the 
display medium, be it paper, or computer screen (when you talk about projection screens, 
DPI becomes meaningless). (It can also be the scanning resolution of a scanned image).

Pixel size is number of distinct dots in the actualy image.


Just found this which will explain it better than I can.

http://www.pptxtreme.com/help/psdimport/ResolutionExplainedPixelsDPIInches.html$


-- 
Stuart


On 5 Sep 2009 at 11:37, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Yes, I can see where they two might conflict -- you don't want to degrade 
> the picture within the context of the resulting picture's pixel size -- I 
> get that -- well, I think I do.
> 
> What I'm wondering is this -- can you even compare dpi resolution to pixel 
> size, when discussing the actual graphic's size. If you insert a 300 dpi 
> file, when a 72 dpi will do... does the size of the graphic file matter or 
> not? A 72 dpi file will be much smaller than a 300 dpi. It should matter. At 
> least, I thought it did.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> > Hi Susan
> >
> > That's what you have the dpi (dots per inch) for: size = dots / dpi
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-09-2009 16:13 >>>
> > I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its 
> > display size?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should 
> >> be same pixel size
> >> as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate 
> >> pixels.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  5 17:06:54 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:06:54 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerPoint and resolution
In-Reply-To: <8A471FA7F5D649C5A7C21808ED40808C@SusanOne>
References: <saa294bc.066@cactus.dk>,
	<8A471FA7F5D649C5A7C21808ED40808C@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AA2E0FE.10927.E71FF50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

DPI and pixel size are two different things.   

DPI is a printing *resolution*.  ie how many dots will be displayed on each linear inch of the 
display medium, be it paper, or computer screen (when you talk about projection screens, 
DPI becomes meaningless). (It can also be the scanning resolution of a scanned image).

Pixel size is number of distinct dots in the actualy image.

"A 72 dpi file will be much smaller than a 300 dpi".  

Not if the first one is 2592 x 3872 pixels and the second one is 300 x 300. 
The difference is that the first one will print out at 26 in x  54 in in size, the other one will 
print as a 1 inch square.

Just found this which will explain it better than I can.

http://www.pptxtreme.com/help/psdimport/ResolutionExplainedPixelsDPIInches.html$


-- 
Stuart


On 5 Sep 2009 at 11:37, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Yes, I can see where they two might conflict -- you don't want to degrade 
> the picture within the context of the resulting picture's pixel size -- I 
> get that -- well, I think I do.
> 
> What I'm wondering is this -- can you even compare dpi resolution to pixel 
> size, when discussing the actual graphic's size. If you insert a 300 dpi 
> file, when a 72 dpi will do... does the size of the graphic file matter or 
> not? A 72 dpi file will be much smaller than a 300 dpi. It should matter. At 
> least, I thought it did.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> > Hi Susan
> >
> > That's what you have the dpi (dots per inch) for: size = dots / dpi
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-09-2009 16:13 >>>
> > I am pixel challenged... how can an image's pixel size be anything but its 
> > display size?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> He's spot on.  DPI is meaningless in this contecxt.   Your image should 
> >> be same pixel size
> >> as its display size.  Anything else and the display needs to interpolate 
> >> pixels.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 09:52:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:52:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: 6 keys to virtual team success
Message-ID: <4aa51e1f.02225e0a.037b.7ed5@mx.google.com>

This may be useful for some projects.

 

Max

 

Feed: Microsoft At Work
Posted on: 07 September 2009 00:00
Author: Microsoft At Work
Subject: 6 keys to virtual team success

 


Working across multiple time zones? Here's how to master virtual collaboration.


View article... <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9681449> 



From pharold at proftesting.com  Tue Sep  8 10:24:05 2009
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Friday's Visual Basic World
	Submissions:A1	FULL	CGI/ASP Website Using only VB6 ...
In-Reply-To: <4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>
References: <saa1403d.058@cactus.dk>
	<4aa126ef.1f205e0a.4db9.ffffa6b5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B6A38A2@exchange.ptiorl.local>

 
> By the why, does anyone still program in VB?

6.0.  Anytime I really need to get something done.

Perry 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 08:49:06 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:49:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
Message-ID: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne>

When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change it, 
but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like you 
should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting yet. 
Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, doesn't 
seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you should have 
to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing style -- you 
should be able to reset the default to the existing style.

Anyone know how?

Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 09:10:24 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:10:24 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>

Format / Print Styles / Save Style

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change it, 
but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like you 
should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting yet. 
Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, doesn't 
seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you should have 
to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing style -- you 
should be able to reset the default to the existing style.

Anyone know how?

Susan H. 

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Sep 10 09:15:29 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:15:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne>
	<4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page Setup, Define Print Styles.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

Format / Print Styles / Save Style

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like you should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting yet.
Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.

Anyone know how?

Susan H.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 09:20:20 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:20:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne>	<4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <4aa90b6c.0c58560a.09cf.ffffa508@mx.google.com>

I think you are correct for 2003. I am (currently) in 2007


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: 10 September 2009 15:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page
Setup, Define Print Styles.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

Format / Print Styles / Save Style

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change it,
but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like you
should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting yet.
Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, doesn't
seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you should have
to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing style -- you
should be able to reset the default to the existing style.

Anyone know how?

Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 11:30:22 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:30:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>

It doesn't stick.

I want the Print dialog to automatically default to another setting other 
than Memo style -- I can't get anything to stick. I choose them, but the 
next time I print, the Memo Style option is the default.

Susan H.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question


> Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page 
> Setup, Define Print Styles.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> Format / Print Styles / Save Style
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change 
> it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like 
> you should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting 
> yet.
> Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, 
> doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you 
> should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing 
> style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.
>
> Anyone know how?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Sep 10 12:34:08 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:34:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A51F7F3@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>


 In Outlook 2003 you do

File/Page Setup/Define Print Styles

And then choose the style you want, then hit the Close button. The chosen style with then 'Stick': i.e. be the style that Outlook defaults to.

If you just choose an alternate style in the print dialog then it will not be used by default next time.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

It doesn't stick.

I want the Print dialog to automatically default to another setting other than Memo style -- I can't get anything to stick. I choose them, but the next time I print, the Memo Style option is the default.

Susan H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question


> Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page 
> Setup, Define Print Styles.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> Format / Print Styles / Save Style
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change 
> it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like 
> you should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting 
> yet.
> Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, 
> doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you 
> should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing 
> style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.
>
> Anyone know how?
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 12:44:24 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:44:24 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4aa93b48.0a04d00a.46bb.115e@mx.google.com>

Outlook 2007
File
Print
Define Styles
Pick one
Click Copy
Give it a name in the top box "Style Name" eg, Susan
Go through and make changes.
Save

That is your selected style until you change it.
Outlook 2007
File
Print
Define Styles
Pick your choice.



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 September 2009 17:30
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

It doesn't stick.

I want the Print dialog to automatically default to another setting other 
than Memo style -- I can't get anything to stick. I choose them, but the 
next time I print, the Memo Style option is the default.

Susan H.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question


> Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page 
> Setup, Define Print Styles.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> Format / Print Styles / Save Style
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change 
> it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems like

> you should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting 
> yet.
> Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, 
> doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you 
> should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing 
> style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.
>
> Anyone know how?
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential 
> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities 
> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this 
> transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete 
> the material from your system.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 14:11:02 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:11:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909101211n6df6da83ib8bee39375d2fdaa@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded RubyStack...bin to install it into my Ubuntu VM and now cannot
figure out which program to open it with. Does anyone know how to open/run
such a file?
TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:47:15 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:47:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A51F7F3@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CA46CC7122744127B0B23F6664548526@SusanOne>

Okay, here's what happens. I change the setting using the Define Print 
Styles list from File | Page Setup | Define Print Styles. Specially, I 
change it from Memo to Table. Then, I click Close.

When I open the Print dialog box, it still says Memo.

When I reopen the lists using File | Page Setup | Define Print Styles -- it 
has retained the Table setting. It just doesn't seem to make it to the Print 
dialog box.

Now, my copy of Outlook 2003 is compromised, so maybe it just isn't working 
right, but if I change the setting as above, should Table then be the 
default setting in the Print dialog box as well?

Susan H.

>
> In Outlook 2003 you do
>
> File/Page Setup/Define Print Styles
>
> And then choose the style you want, then hit the Close button. The chosen 
> style with then 'Stick': i.e. be the style that Outlook defaults to.
>
> If you just choose an alternate style in the print dialog then it will not 
> be used by default next time.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> It doesn't stick.
>
> I want the Print dialog to automatically default to another setting other 
> than Memo style -- I can't get anything to stick. I choose them, but the 
> next time I print, the Memo Style option is the default.
>
> Susan H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
>
>> Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, Page
>> Setup, Define Print Styles.
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>>
>> Format / Print Styles / Save Style
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>> Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
>> To: DBA Tech List
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>>
>> When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can change
>> it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a nuisance. Seems 
>> like
>> you should be able to reset this default, but I haven't found the setting
>> yet.
>> Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too,
>> doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think you
>> should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an existing
>> style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.
>>
>> Anyone know how?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential
>> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities
>> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this
>> transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete
>> the material from your system.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:49:44 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:49:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
	<4aa93b48.0a04d00a.46bb.115e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F7232E7B248A4A8D825596ED92889F80@SusanOne>


> Outlook 2007
> File
> Print
> Define Styles
> Pick one
> Click Copy
> Give it a name in the top box "Style Name" eg, Susan
> Go through and make changes.
> Save
>
> That is your selected style until you change it.

====Nope... next time I open the Print dialog, it's back to Memo. Am I the 
only one having this problem????

Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:58:46 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:58:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <F7232E7B248A4A8D825596ED92889F80@SusanOne>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>	<4aa93b48.0a04d00a.46bb.115e@mx.google.com>
	<F7232E7B248A4A8D825596ED92889F80@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4aa968dc.0702d00a.2aef.3b96@mx.google.com>

Just followed my steps.
Created a new style use the copy/edit. Gave it a name MyStyle.
Selected it.
Preview it.
Exit Outlook
Opened Outlook
File/Print
My selection is still selected as MyStyle



Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 10 September 2009 21:50
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question


> Outlook 2007
> File
> Print
> Define Styles
> Pick one
> Click Copy
> Give it a name in the top box "Style Name" eg, Susan
> Go through and make changes.
> Save
>
> That is your selected style until you change it.

====Nope... next time I open the Print dialog, it's back to Memo. Am I the 
only one having this problem????

Susan H. 

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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Sep 10 16:16:47 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:16:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <CA46CC7122744127B0B23F6664548526@SusanOne>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com><A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A51F7F3@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CA46CC7122744127B0B23F6664548526@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A51F877@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Sounds like it's time to run 'Detect and Repair' on the Help menu.

When I carry out the same steps as you (in Outlook 2003): File | Page Setup | Define Print Styles, the chosen print style is the one selected when the Print dialog is opened.


Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question

Okay, here's what happens. I change the setting using the Define Print Styles list from File | Page Setup | Define Print Styles. Specially, I change it from Memo to Table. Then, I click Close.

When I open the Print dialog box, it still says Memo.

When I reopen the lists using File | Page Setup | Define Print Styles -- it has retained the Table setting. It just doesn't seem to make it to the Print dialog box.

Now, my copy of Outlook 2003 is compromised, so maybe it just isn't working right, but if I change the setting as above, should Table then be the default setting in the Print dialog box as well?

Susan H.

>
> In Outlook 2003 you do
>
> File/Page Setup/Define Print Styles
>
> And then choose the style you want, then hit the Close button. The 
> chosen style with then 'Stick': i.e. be the style that Outlook defaults to.
>
> If you just choose an alternate style in the print dialog then it will 
> not be used by default next time.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
> It doesn't stick.
>
> I want the Print dialog to automatically default to another setting 
> other than Memo style -- I can't get anything to stick. I choose them, 
> but the next time I print, the Memo Style option is the default.
>
> Susan H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tydda Jon - Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>
>
>> Not sure what version of Outlook that's for, but in 2003 it's File, 
>> Page Setup, Define Print Styles.
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max 
>> Wanadoo
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:10 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>>
>> Format / Print Styles / Save Style
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
>> Harkins
>> Sent: 10 September 2009 14:49
>> To: DBA Tech List
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
>>
>> When printing a message, Outlook defaults to Memo Style. You can 
>> change it, but if you have to change it every time, that's a 
>> nuisance. Seems like you should be able to reset this default, but I 
>> haven't found the setting yet.
>> Help talks about modifying and creating print styles, but that too, 
>> doesn't seem like the best solution to this problem. I don't think 
>> you should have to modify Memo style to be exactly the same as an 
>> existing style -- you should be able to reset the default to the existing style.
>>
>> Anyone know how?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain 
>> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other 
>> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you 
>> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender 
>> immediately and delete the material from your system.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 10 17:19:28 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:19:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909101211n6df6da83ib8bee39375d2fdaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909101211n6df6da83ib8bee39375d2fdaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4565981CD2324C0D8AD05C616A4F4278@creativesystemdesigns.com>

What is it called... any extension?

It depends on the file compression method but 
tar cvf Source.tar DestinationDir ususally works.

But being lazy try the following link: 

http://www.rubyinside.com/how-to-install-a-ruby-18-stack-on-ubuntu-810-from-
scratch-1566.html

HTH 
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Question

I downloaded RubyStack...bin to install it into my Ubuntu VM and now cannot
figure out which program to open it with. Does anyone know how to open/run
such a file?
TIA,
Arthur
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 18:04:50 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:04:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <EDF00299892F4BC29B988FE1AC53CCC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1A6CC52644A849CF97D389D89A3316E1@HAL9005>
	<4A96AD47.188.8379B8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<C448FBE9FF8C4452B8EF9AD7B0FE0D6B@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d00909031323p18ffddber1f510980e722df90@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0C5BE48D05E4A39A4D6E10DA3595548@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d00909040138n22e94ac8m358c7b350b67b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<EDF00299892F4BC29B988FE1AC53CCC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909101604j445f1903x868b159c91cbdcc6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,
This application calls files that came from one File system to another a new
'stream'.  Vista requires you to unblock files from other streams.

This is the annoying "unblock this file" that this thread started on.

However, the reason I posted about this little application is that it allows
you to unblock an entire set of folders and files, which I find very useful.

Like I said, it probably should be named "Vista Folder Unblocker Utility"

HTH

Mark



2009/9/4 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> Hi Mark:
>
> Looking at the description closer, I am not sure this little apps function
> is exactly my understanding of streaming.
>
> I have worked on streaming from applications like a Flash or Red server, or
> streaming of images from ADO with MS SQL server. My understanding of
> streaming is the ability the pass data from one object to another in a non
> synchronize way... more like a continuous bit stream or broadcast rather
> than in blocks and in a separate pipe and background process.
>
> Maybe if you describe how you have utilized this little app, to solve a
> problem and provide some sample coding that would be a better explanation.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:39 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
>
> Hello Jim,
> Not sure what you mean by streams that are web based.
>
> Am I unaware of what you are referring to, or has the ambiguous names
> MS gave to this concept confused the issue for you?
>
> for streams read "Files that came from another machines that this one"
> for the functionality being delivered, read "Unblock *.* /s
>
> what were you referring to?
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> 2009/9/3 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
>
> > Hi Mark:
> >
> > This could be very useful if it allows streams that are web based...
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > this Blocked File is an issue if you do not anticipate it, it is a bigger
> > issue if you are playing with Virtual machines and regularly copying
> whole
> > directories across the network.  I am happily using Streams.EXE for the
> > last
> > few weeks and it works a treat.
> >
> > To avoid problems read the article at
> >
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897440.aspx
> >
> >
> > Here is a snip from MS's site
> > <
> >
> > Introduction
> >
> > The NTFS file system provides applications the ability to create
> alternate
> > data streams of information. By default, all data is stored in a file's
> > main
> > unnamed data stream, but by using the syntax 'file:stream', you are able
> to
> > read and write to alternates. Not all applications are written to access
> > alternate streams, but you can demonstrate streams very simply. First,
> > change to a directory on a NTFS drive from within a command prompt. Next,
> > type 'echo hello > test:stream'. You've just created a stream named
> > 'stream'
> > that is associated with the file 'test'. Note that when you look at the
> > size
> > of test it is reported as 0, and the file looks empty when opened in any
> > text editor. To see your stream enter 'more < test:stream' (the type
> > command
> > doesn't accept stream syntax so you have to use more).
> >
> > NT does not come with any tools that let you see which NTFS files have
> > streams associated with them, so I've written one myself. Streams will
> > examine the files and directories (note that directories can also have
> > alternate data streams) you specify and inform you of the name and sizes
> of
> > any named streams it encounters within those files. Streams makes use of
> an
> > undocumented native function for retrieving file stream information.
> >
> >
> > Using Streams
> >
> > *Usage: streams [-s] [-d] <file or directory>*
> > *-s*Recurse subdirectories.*-d*Delete streams.
> > Streams takes wildcards e.g. 'streams *.txt'.
> > />
> >
> >
> > I do hope that it is useful for someone,
> > thanks
> >
> > Mark Breen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/27 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> >
> > > Stuart:
> > >
> > > "At the bottom of the General tan is a section labeled "Security". and
> > the
> > > wording "This file came from another computer and might be blocked to
> > help
> > > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this. "
> > >
> > > I don't have any of that.  There's a security tab but no Unblock
> option.
> > > I'm
> > > running Vista Ultimate.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vista Question
> > >
> > > Two ways:
> > >
> > > 1. Rught click on it and select Properties.
> > >
> > > At the bottom of the General tan is a section labelled "Security". and
> > the
> > > wording "This file came from another computer and might beblocked to
> help
> > > protect this computer". Click the "Unblock" button beside this.  Then
> run
> > > the program.  The last step is essential.  If you jus unblock it but
> > don't
> > > run it it stays blocked.
> > >
> > > 2. When you get the security warning, de-select the check box at the
> > bottom
> > > of the dialog.
> > > "Always ask before opening this file".
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 27 Aug 2009 at 6:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
> > > > stop asking me every time I run it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Sep 10 20:21:34 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:21:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
In-Reply-To: <4aa968dc.0702d00a.2aef.3b96@mx.google.com>
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>	<4aa93b48.0a04d00a.46bb.115e@mx.google.com>	<F7232E7B248A4A8D825596ED92889F80@SusanOne>
	<4aa968dc.0702d00a.2aef.3b96@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca327e$34135230$9c39f690$@net>

Nope, didn't work. I always want the calendar to print in the Calendar
Details Style. But it always defaults to Monthly Style. I tried your steps
(have 2007) and copied Calendar Details Style, naming it CalendarDetails.
Still defaults to Monthly.


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
> 
> Just followed my steps.
> Created a new style use the copy/edit. Gave it a name MyStyle.
> Selected it.
> Preview it.
> Exit Outlook
> Opened Outlook
> File/Print
> My selection is still selected as MyStyle
> 
> 
> 
> Max
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: 10 September 2009 21:50
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
> 
> 
> > Outlook 2007
> > File
> > Print
> > Define Styles
> > Pick one
> > Click Copy
> > Give it a name in the top box "Style Name" eg, Susan
> > Go through and make changes.
> > Save
> >
> > That is your selected style until you change it.
> 
> ====Nope... next time I open the Print dialog, it's back to Memo. Am I
> the
> only one having this problem????
> 
> Susan H.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:58:39 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:58:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook default print style question
References: <67B29DFA565F43FF8F335F81716796A1@SusanOne><4aa90927.0c58560a.09cf.ffff9ee8@mx.google.com>	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207390679FA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><3950EC271D2A470D8D3225579D350F63@SusanOne>	<4aa93b48.0a04d00a.46bb.115e@mx.google.com>	<F7232E7B248A4A8D825596ED92889F80@SusanOne><4aa968dc.0702d00a.2aef.3b96@mx.google.com>
	<000001ca327e$34135230$9c39f690$@net>
Message-ID: <FE07E23A926345E9A312DEF5569C1AC8@SusanOne>

At least it isn't just me then. What a mystery.

Susan H. 


Nope, didn't work. I always want the calendar to print in the Calendar
Details Style. But it always defaults to Monthly Style. I tried your steps
(have 2007) and copied Calendar Details Style, naming it CalendarDetails.
Still defaults to Monthly.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 11 02:41:59 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:41:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fixing you own computer
In-Reply-To: <4565981CD2324C0D8AD05C616A4F4278@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0909101211n6df6da83ib8bee39375d2fdaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4565981CD2324C0D8AD05C616A4F4278@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <23BE2764F0DE47ED9DF11DE878323D94@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is an interesting link if you would like to fix your own computers.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-sites-to-learn-how-to-repair-your-own-compute
r

Jim



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 11 09:32:25 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:32:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
Message-ID: <saaa7ba8.092@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Any methods to do that silently?

I've come this far with Ghostscript:

gswin32c -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=page%d.pdf multipage.pdf

which should split multipage.pdf into page1.pdf, page2.pdf, etc. but no cigar because:

"the one page per file feature is not supported by all devices; in particular it does not work with document-oriented output devices like pdfwrite .."

and then the doc refers to the "-dFirstPage and -dLastPage switches .. for a way to extract single pdf pages."
But that would mean I should somehow find out the count of pages, say 38, and then call Ghostscript 38 times - not very smart.

There must be some other method.

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 11 10:11:20 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:11:20 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
Message-ID: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Found the method here at pdftk, PDF Tool Kit:

  http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/

Burst a Single PDF Document into Single Pages and Report its Data to doc_data.txt
  pdftk multipage.pdf burst

will produce a series of page files named pg_0001.pdf etc.
And it runs fast as well.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-09-2009 16:32 >>>
Hi all

Any methods to do that silently?

I've come this far with Ghostscript:

gswin32c -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=page%d.pdf multipage.pdf

which should split multipage.pdf into page1.pdf, page2.pdf, etc. but no cigar because:

"the one page per file feature is not supported by all devices; in particular it does not work with document-oriented output devices like pdfwrite .."

and then the doc refers to the "-dFirstPage and -dLastPage switches .. for a way to extract single pdf pages."
But that would mean I should somehow find out the count of pages, say 38, and then call Ghostscript 38 times - not very smart.

There must be some other method.

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 11 11:12:37 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:12:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
In-Reply-To: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
References: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <10D20FD90A99437C90E2743A225F34D9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the tip Gustav. I do not need it now but it is good to know such
a trick. This burst method will also run at the command prompt I assume.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages

Hi all

Found the method here at pdftk, PDF Tool Kit:

  http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/

Burst a Single PDF Document into Single Pages and Report its Data to
doc_data.txt
  pdftk multipage.pdf burst

will produce a series of page files named pg_0001.pdf etc.
And it runs fast as well.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-09-2009 16:32 >>>
Hi all

Any methods to do that silently?

I've come this far with Ghostscript:

gswin32c -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=page%d.pdf
multipage.pdf

which should split multipage.pdf into page1.pdf, page2.pdf, etc. but no
cigar because:

"the one page per file feature is not supported by all devices; in
particular it does not work with document-oriented output devices like
pdfwrite .."

and then the doc refers to the "-dFirstPage and -dLastPage switches .. for a
way to extract single pdf pages."
But that would mean I should somehow find out the count of pages, say 38,
and then call Ghostscript 38 times - not very smart.

There must be some other method.

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 11:13:37 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:13:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
In-Reply-To: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
References: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909110913s6a5bc596se1b9d958f40df6cd@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,
I find this desire interesting since my problems have typically involved the
reverse: combine several PDFs into one. For that I use Attac Consulting's
PDF class stuff. But I have yet to need the ability to split a single PDF
into multiple one-page sends. This makes me curious. Why do you need to do
this?

A.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Found the method here at pdftk, PDF Tool Kit:
>
>  http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
>
> Burst a Single PDF Document into Single Pages and Report its Data to
> doc_data.txt
>  pdftk multipage.pdf burst
>
> will produce a series of page files named pg_0001.pdf etc.
> And it runs fast as well.
>
> /gustav
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 11:44:23 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:23 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Function gotcha with use of asterisk
In-Reply-To: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
References: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4aaa7e9d.0506d00a.0c82.ffffce38@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

The u/m Gotcha was posted on sqlservercentral.  Below is the opening para.
If you want to see code explaining this, etc, you will need a free
subscription

The home page is:

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/

The bug is at:

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/User+Defined+Function+%28UDF%29/627
30/

Function gotcha with use of asterisk
Introduction

During a recent upgrade of our software, I discovered what I assume is a
little-known gotcha that I feel appropriate to document and pass on. The
gotcha occurs with user-defined table functions (UDFs), when selecting
columns from a table using the asterisk (select all) method. The problem
then occurs only when columns are subsequently added or removed from the
based over table without recreating the function. When these conditions
occur, it results in interesting and undesirable output. The SQL below
illustrates this problem using SQL 2000.


Watch for wrap

Max






From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 13:42:06 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:42:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Function gotcha with use of asterisk
In-Reply-To: <4aaa7e9d.0506d00a.0c82.ffffce38@mx.google.com>
References: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
	<4aaa7e9d.0506d00a.0c82.ffffce38@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909111142h10208b90gfe53b0faca0efe61@mail.gmail.com>

IMO this is a bug due to bad programming on the developer's side. To wit:
To assemble all the columns, drag and drop their names from the UI. No big
deal. Perhaps if you have 244 columns it's a big deal, but in general I
forbid my developers from using * in lieu of a list of columns. As the
author said, he's lazy, but there is no excuse for being that lazy IMO. Far
better to name the columns of interest than to grab any and every thing
within the table. Most often you just want several columns of interest, not
them all, and using * is not only lazy but wasteful of resources.

Arthur

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The u/m Gotcha was posted on sqlservercentral.  Below is the opening para.
> If you want to see code explaining this, etc, you will need a free
> subscription
>
> The home page is:
>
> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/
>
> The bug is at:
>
>
> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/User+Defined+Function+%28UDF%29/627
> 30/
>
> Function gotcha with use of asterisk
> Introduction
>
> During a recent upgrade of our software, I discovered what I assume is a
> little-known gotcha that I feel appropriate to document and pass on. The
> gotcha occurs with user-defined table functions (UDFs), when selecting
> columns from a table using the asterisk (select all) method. The problem
> then occurs only when columns are subsequently added or removed from the
> based over table without recreating the function. When these conditions
> occur, it results in interesting and undesirable output. The SQL below
> illustrates this problem using SQL 2000.
>
>
> Watch for wrap
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 13:47:37 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:47:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
Message-ID: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>

One of my publishers uses AIM and Yahoo IM's -- I've downloaded and 
installed both. Yesterday, everything was fine. Today, Vipre will not run 
with AIM up. If I load AIM, Vipre disables itself. If I turn AIM off, Vipre 
enables itself.

I need them both -- any suggestions?

Susan H. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 11 13:52:28 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:52:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Function gotcha with use of asterisk
In-Reply-To: <4aaa7e9d.0506d00a.0c82.ffffce38@mx.google.com>
References: <saaa84d0.096@cactus.dk>
	<4aaa7e9d.0506d00a.0c82.ffffce38@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8BAE93C308BD448693DB851922519770@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for ther tip Max.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:44 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Function gotcha with use of asterisk

Hi All,

The u/m Gotcha was posted on sqlservercentral.  Below is the opening para.
If you want to see code explaining this, etc, you will need a free
subscription

The home page is:

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/

The bug is at:

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/User+Defined+Function+%28UDF%29/627
30/

Function gotcha with use of asterisk
Introduction

During a recent upgrade of our software, I discovered what I assume is a
little-known gotcha that I feel appropriate to document and pass on. The
gotcha occurs with user-defined table functions (UDFs), when selecting
columns from a table using the asterisk (select all) method. The problem
then occurs only when columns are subsequently added or removed from the
based over table without recreating the function. When these conditions
occur, it results in interesting and undesirable output. The SQL below
illustrates this problem using SQL 2000.


Watch for wrap

Max




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 11 16:09:03 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:09:03 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
Message-ID: <saaad8aa.098@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

The pdftk _is_ a command line tool. 

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 11-09-2009 18:12 >>>
Thanks for the tip Gustav. I do not need it now but it is good to know such
a trick. This burst method will also run at the command prompt I assume.

Jim

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:11 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages

Hi all

Found the method here at pdftk, PDF Tool Kit:

  http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ 

Burst a Single PDF Document into Single Pages and Report its Data to
doc_data.txt
  pdftk multipage.pdf burst

will produce a series of page files named pg_0001.pdf etc.
And it runs fast as well.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-09-2009 16:32 >>>
Hi all

Any methods to do that silently?

I've come this far with Ghostscript:

gswin32c -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=page%d.pdf multipage.pdf

which should split multipage.pdf into page1.pdf, page2.pdf, etc. but no cigar because:

"the one page per file feature is not supported by all devices; in particular it does not work with document-oriented output devices like pdfwrite .."

and then the doc refers to the "-dFirstPage and -dLastPage switches .. for a way to extract single pdf pages."
But that would mean I should somehow find out the count of pages, say 38, and then call Ghostscript 38 times - not very smart.

There must be some other method.

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 11 16:49:13 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:49:13 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Split multi-page PDF file into single pages
Message-ID: <saaae20b.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Combining is called merge and is invoked by a cat command:

Merge Two or More PDFs into a New Document
  pdftk 1.pdf 2.pdf 3.pdf cat output 123.pdf
or (Using Handles):
  pdftk A=1.pdf B=2.pdf cat A B output 12.pdf
or (Using Wildcards):
  pdftk *.pdf cat output combined.pdf

I split the multi-page pdf into single files because it - for one month - contains all pay slips for an employer while (of course) individual pay slips should be e-mailed to each employee as an attached pdf file. Further, a small app (C# using XML as storage) extracts the pay slip info of the pdf files for archiving and controlling the distribution via e-mail. For this I use the ps2txt util:

  http://www.verydoc.com/ps-to-text.html

which without a license runs in demo mode which only will convert "a few pages". Thus I let it read only one page documents to play safe. It is a command line tool with no GUI.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 11-09-2009 18:13 >>>
Gustav,
I find this desire interesting since my problems have typically involved the
reverse: combine several PDFs into one. For that I use Attac Consulting's
PDF class stuff. But I have yet to need the ability to split a single PDF
into multiple one-page sends. This makes me curious. Why do you need to do
this?

A.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Found the method here at pdftk, PDF Tool Kit:
>
>  http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ 
>
> Burst a Single PDF Document into Single Pages and Report its Data to doc_data.txt
>  pdftk multipage.pdf burst
>
> will produce a series of page files named pg_0001.pdf etc.
> And it runs fast as well.
>
> /gustav





From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 11 17:06:58 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:06:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
In-Reply-To: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004c01ca332c$2e7f4230$8b7dc690$@net>

Hi Susan,
Never heard of such a thing. Maybe the icon is just disappearing from the
systray? Check with the task list and see if SBAMsvc.exe is running. If so
then Vipre is running. If SBAMTray.exe is running then its just a Windows
glitch if it isn't then it is Vipre's systray icon function not working
correctly - no big deal either way.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:48 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre

One of my publishers uses AIM and Yahoo IM's -- I've downloaded and 
installed both. Yesterday, everything was fine. Today, Vipre will not run 
with AIM up. If I load AIM, Vipre disables itself. If I turn AIM off, Vipre 
enables itself.

I need them both -- any suggestions?

Susan H. 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 17:11:09 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:11:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
In-Reply-To: <004c01ca332c$2e7f4230$8b7dc690$@net>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
	<004c01ca332c$2e7f4230$8b7dc690$@net>
Message-ID: <4aaacb20.0707d00a.718a.ffff8510@mx.google.com>

What OS susan?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: 11 September 2009 23:07
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre

Hi Susan,
Never heard of such a thing. Maybe the icon is just disappearing from the
systray? Check with the task list and see if SBAMsvc.exe is running. If so
then Vipre is running. If SBAMTray.exe is running then its just a Windows
glitch if it isn't then it is Vipre's systray icon function not working
correctly - no big deal either way.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:48 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre

One of my publishers uses AIM and Yahoo IM's -- I've downloaded and 
installed both. Yesterday, everything was fine. Today, Vipre will not run 
with AIM up. If I load AIM, Vipre disables itself. If I turn AIM off, Vipre 
enables itself.

I need them both -- any suggestions?

Susan H. 

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Sep 11 18:15:46 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:15:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
In-Reply-To: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A54CD968B9DF490E96F29F47CCA9B7A3@jt2c>

Trillian! You can run AIM, Yahoo, MSN and ICQ all at the same time in one
client. Doesn't use half the memory, and it's great. Been using it for about
10 years now.


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 11 September 2009 19:48
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre

One of my publishers uses AIM and Yahoo IM's -- I've downloaded and
installed both. Yesterday, everything was fine. Today, Vipre will not run
with AIM up. If I load AIM, Vipre disables itself. If I turn AIM off, Vipre
enables itself.

I need them both -- any suggestions?

Susan H. 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 20:55:29 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:55:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
In-Reply-To: <A54CD968B9DF490E96F29F47CCA9B7A3@jt2c>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
	<A54CD968B9DF490E96F29F47CCA9B7A3@jt2c>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909111855y70a6d7c5y30fc48bc3f521af2@mail.gmail.com>

I am unsure how to respond to this. Are you saying that you like our
offering? Or that there is some conflict we didn't anticipate when ours is
combined with others? We will look into the latter if that is the case.
Arthur

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Trillian! You can run AIM, Yahoo, MSN and ICQ all at the same time in one
> client. Doesn't use half the memory, and it's great. Been using it for
> about
> 10 years now.
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 03:17:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:17:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909111855y70a6d7c5y30fc48bc3f521af2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>	<A54CD968B9DF490E96F29F47CCA9B7A3@jt2c>
	<29f585dd0909111855y70a6d7c5y30fc48bc3f521af2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4aab5970.1c05d00a.47bb.06da@mx.google.com>

Trillion is a product which is like an umbrella Client which allows  you to
integrate all the others into one place.

http://www.trillian.im/

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 12 September 2009 02:55
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Problem with Vipre

I am unsure how to respond to this. Are you saying that you like our
offering? Or that there is some conflict we didn't anticipate when ours is
combined with others? We will look into the latter if that is the case.
Arthur

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Trillian! You can run AIM, Yahoo, MSN and ICQ all at the same time in one
> client. Doesn't use half the memory, and it's great. Been using it for
> about
> 10 years now.
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 12 21:36:13 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:36:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoom in
In-Reply-To: <4aab5970.1c05d00a.47bb.06da@mx.google.com>
References: <EB30B145011D481088C27ECD8313C414@SusanOne>
	<A54CD968B9DF490E96F29F47CCA9B7A3@jt2c>
	<29f585dd0909111855y70a6d7c5y30fc48bc3f521af2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4aab5970.1c05d00a.47bb.06da@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3A502E7FFE5C4F00AF06C7F76CE5172C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is some excellent zoom in videos:

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x4mva0/video/x4mv3m_zoom-into-aluminium_t
ech

Jim



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 13:13:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:13:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solar Panels
Message-ID: <4aae87ee.1818d00a.33c6.34af@mx.google.com>

Just upgraded  to the latest single user model

http://imgur.com/eePBp.jpg



Max

 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 14 18:51:54 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:51:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solar Panels
In-Reply-To: <4aae87ee.1818d00a.33c6.34af@mx.google.com>
References: <4aae87ee.1818d00a.33c6.34af@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <44F4AA5E1E114792BE4F6964242AC200@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Now I know. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solar Panels

Just upgraded  to the latest single user model

http://imgur.com/eePBp.jpg



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 07:29:06 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:29:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Mobile app sees science go global
Message-ID: <4ab0da39.1f205e0a.7ca9.fffff4b5@mx.google.com>

Useful for anybody?

 

Max

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 16 September 2009 13:05
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Mobile app sees science go global

 


Researchers have demonstrated a mobile application that will allow the collection, analysis, and distribution of data worldwide.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/sci/tech/8258501.stm>  article...



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 16 08:45:18 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:45:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Mobile app sees science go global
In-Reply-To: <4ab0da39.1f205e0a.7ca9.fffff4b5@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab0da39.1f205e0a.7ca9.fffff4b5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1CEA00C381394866AF0E0374298A78DF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Interesting... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:29 AM
To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Mobile app sees science go global

Useful for anybody?

 

Max

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 16 September 2009 13:05
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Mobile app sees science go global

 


Researchers have demonstrated a mobile application that will allow the
collection, analysis, and distribution of data worldwide.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/sci/tech/8258501.stm>  article...

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Sep 17 09:03:56 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:03:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
Message-ID: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>

Hi,

Here's the situation:
Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.  
Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.  
Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away. 
Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the 
printer.  Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed 
over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen 
fine - will not print.  Documents copied from the headquarters computer 
onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected - 
will not print as long as the VPN is active.  The print facility message 
is that the printer is not responding.
Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.

I do not understand why this is.  Does anybody here have an idea?  TIA

T



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Sep 17 09:10:28 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:10:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solar Panels
In-Reply-To: <4aae87ee.1818d00a.33c6.34af@mx.google.com>
References: <4aae87ee.1818d00a.33c6.34af@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4AB24354.7060902@torchlake.com>

Nice cozy switchboard, there!  :-)
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Just upgraded  to the latest single user model
>
> http://imgur.com/eePBp.jpg
>
>
>
> Max
>
>  
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:28:05 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:28:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
In-Reply-To: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tina,

Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's the situation:
> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
> printer. ?Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
> fine - will not print. ?Documents copied from the headquarters computer
> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
> will not print as long as the VPN is active. ?The print facility message
> is that the printer is not responding.
> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>
> I do not understand why this is. ?Does anybody here have an idea? ?TIA
>
> T
>
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-- 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:39:06 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:39:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
Message-ID: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>

I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time 
ago.

Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would 
have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we 
don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything 
about brands, features, gotchas, etc.

Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price 
balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.

Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:47:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:47:28 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>

I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  They have
all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous capacity).  Got
them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 17 September 2009 15:39
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time 
ago.

Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would 
have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we 
don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything 
about brands, features, gotchas, etc.

Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price 
balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.

Susan H. 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep 17 09:49:50 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:49:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters>

Is this for Backup?

If so, then you don't need a high-powered drive.  I use a WD Green drive -
it's quiet and cool.  As far as disk reliability vs. brand I don't have
enough experience for a recommendation.

I use Ghost 9 for automated backup.  The weekly backup takes about 45
minutes, and daily incremental backups take about 5 minutes.  These are set
to run automatically late in the evening so I don't even notice. (I think
the latest version of Ghost is 14!)

What size?  It depends on how many weekly backups of your C drive you want
to keep.  If you currently have, say, 50 Gb of data on your C drive, and you
want to keep 4 weekly backups of your C drive, then you'll need at least 200
Gb on your backup drive.  However, hard drives are pretty inexpensive so you
can easily afford more than you need.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:39 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time
ago.

Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would
have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we
don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything
about brands, features, gotchas, etc.

Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price balance
-- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:50:24 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:50:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5D37044F58E04BAFA9899E36065F56D4@SusanOne>

Sterling? Really????? ;)

I'm shopping in the wrong currency. :)

Can't you hear that jingle jangle sound.... oh yeah... money money money by 
the pound! <sorry>

Susan H.

I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  They have
all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous capacity).  Got
them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:55:58 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:55:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters>
Message-ID: <0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>

Not exclusively. I'm going to move everything but the current working files 
to the external drive for storage and I'll be backing up my current work, 
but that only involves a few files daily. I'm not going to update my entire 
C: drive -- it just isn't necessary for me.

Susan H.


> Is this for Backup?
>
> If so, then you don't need a high-powered drive.  I use a WD Green drive -
> it's quiet and cool.  As far as disk reliability vs. brand I don't have
> enough experience for a recommendation.
>
> I use Ghost 9 for automated backup.  The weekly backup takes about 45
> minutes, and daily incremental backups take about 5 minutes.  These are 
> set
> to run automatically late in the evening so I don't even notice. (I think
> the latest version of Ghost is 14!)
>
> What size?  It depends on how many weekly backups of your C drive you want
> to keep.  If you currently have, say, 50 Gb of data on your C drive, and 
> you
> want to keep 4 weekly backups of your C drive, then you'll need at least 
> 200
> Gb on your backup drive.  However, hard drives are pretty inexpensive so 
> you
> can easily afford more than you need.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:01:15 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:01:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <5D37044F58E04BAFA9899E36065F56D4@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>	<4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>
	<5D37044F58E04BAFA9899E36065F56D4@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4ab24f5e.0a04d00a.04cd.ffffacc7@mx.google.com>

?130 EACH not the lot...<big silly>

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 17 September 2009 15:50
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

Sterling? Really????? ;)

I'm shopping in the wrong currency. :)

Can't you hear that jingle jangle sound.... oh yeah... money money money by 
the pound! <sorry>

Susan H.

I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  They have
all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous capacity).  Got
them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:06:57 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:06:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
	<aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab250b4.0a1ad00a.72db.ffffa868@mx.google.com>

Susan, have you emailed them...they have a mailing  list and I am on it and
there are all sorts of questions asked along these lines.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 17 September 2009 15:28
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?

Hi Tina,

Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's the situation:
> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
> printer. ?Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
> fine - will not print. ?Documents copied from the headquarters computer
> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
> will not print as long as the VPN is active. ?The print facility message
> is that the printer is not responding.
> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>
> I do not understand why this is. ?Does anybody here have an idea? ?TIA
>
> T
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:07:36 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:07:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909170807j55d70a02k53506c038caf083b@mail.gmail.com>

It would seem that prices in Canada are a lot prettier. I haven't checked
1.5TB drives, but I can buy a 1TB drive for $99 CDN, which loosely
translated into Sterling is about 55 pounds I think.
Arthur

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  They
> have
> all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous capacity).  Got
> them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.
>
>
> Max
>
>


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:12:17 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:12:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950909170812p1e88c7c0ud89bebef163bca28@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bunch of them I've bought over the years. They keep making
them bigger and I keep filling them up. I've not had one give me any
trouble so I can't say as any of them are better or worse than the
others. I usually look for Western Digital drives but mostly because
that is what I have had success with. I would always tend to stick
with a recognisable brand. Seagate or Western Digital either one would
work for me. All of them should be USB 2.0 now. Some might also have
firewire or other connection methods but USB is the most common and I
have found works well for me since the update to version 2 five or so
years ago.

Good luck shopping.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time
> ago.
>
> Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would
> have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we
> don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything
> about brands, features, gotchas, etc.
>
> Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price
> balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.
>
> Susan H.
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:12:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:12:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909170807j55d70a02k53506c038caf083b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>	<4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909170807j55d70a02k53506c038caf083b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab251fd.0a1ad00a.7155.ffffa408@mx.google.com>

Choices then.  I am happy with mine. I dropped one of them from table height
to the floor (carpeted) zero damage.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 17 September 2009 16:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

It would seem that prices in Canada are a lot prettier. I haven't checked
1.5TB drives, but I can buy a 1TB drive for $99 CDN, which loosely
translated into Sterling is about 55 pounds I think.
Arthur

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  They
> have
> all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous capacity).  Got
> them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.
>
>
> Max
>
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 10:14:45 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:14:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
In-Reply-To: <4ab250b4.0a1ad00a.72db.ffffa868@mx.google.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
	<aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab250b4.0a1ad00a.72db.ffffa868@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950909170814h3795012fq460f651d662f9f92@mail.gmail.com>

Huh?  ;-)  Susan who?  e-mailed them about what?  What's that got to
do with Tina and her VPN issue?

Off on a tangent here Max?  <GRIN>

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Susan, have you emailed them...they have a mailing ?list and I am on it and
> there are all sorts of questions asked along these lines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 17 September 2009 15:28
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
>
> Hi Tina,
>
> Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
> remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
> number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
> anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
> TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
> access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
> down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
> the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
> but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
> think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
> of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here's the situation:
>> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
>> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
>> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
>> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
>> printer. ?Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
>> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
>> fine - will not print. ?Documents copied from the headquarters computer
>> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
>> will not print as long as the VPN is active. ?The print facility message
>> is that the printer is not responding.
>> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>>
>> I do not understand why this is. ?Does anybody here have an idea? ?TIA
>>
>> T

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Sep 17 10:15:36 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:15:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950909170812p1e88c7c0ud89bebef163bca28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950909170812p1e88c7c0ud89bebef163bca28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE632073D770E4B@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

The only thing you might want to keep an eye out for is spin speed. As they're just laptop hard drives, most of the ones I've seen are 5400 rpm, which can be kinda slow when you're transferring large amounts of data. Look for 7200rpm or higher (although the 10,000 will be way more expensive).


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

I have a bunch of them I've bought over the years. They keep making them bigger and I keep filling them up. I've not had one give me any trouble so I can't say as any of them are better or worse than the others. I usually look for Western Digital drives but mostly because that is what I have had success with. I would always tend to stick with a recognisable brand. Seagate or Western Digital either one would work for me. All of them should be USB 2.0 now. Some might also have firewire or other connection methods but USB is the most common and I have found works well for me since the update to version 2 five or so years ago.

Good luck shopping.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long
> time ago.
>
> Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online --
> would have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit
> funds and we don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't
> know anything about brands, features, gotchas, etc.
>
> Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price
> balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.
>
> Susan H.
>


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep 17 10:27:38 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:27:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <024d01ca37ab$63d095f0$2b71c1d0$@net>

Hi Susan,
I recommend Western Digital drives. I've had the best success with them over
the years. But in general they're all fairly decent. I think 1TB is probably
the best value right now.

John B
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:39 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time 
ago.

Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would 
have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we 
don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything 
about brands, features, gotchas, etc.

Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price 
balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.

Susan H. 

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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Sep 17 10:33:39 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:33:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A718B66@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Whatever brand you buy (and I tend to go with Fantom drives) I would recommend getting those with a FireWire interface rather than USB, even better, FireWire 2. The reason I suggest this is that with FireWire you can daisy chain them together. You only need one FireWire port on the host machine and all the drives run off it. No need to use up all your machines USB ports or to invest in USB hubs. FireWire 2 gives you up to 800MBS throughput. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time ago.

Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything about brands, features, gotchas, etc.

Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.

Susan H. 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Sep 17 10:47:51 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:47:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection? - SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
	<aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB25A27.5040802@torchlake.com>

Hi Gary,

Okay, we got the solution.  It turned out that the IP address for the 
local printer and the printer at headquarters were the same.  Thus, we 
were confusing the print facility - trying to print to the wrong printer 
and not knowing it.

Thanks for replying.  Thought you'd like to know the result.

T

Gary Kjos wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
> remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
> number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
> anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
> TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
> access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
> down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
> the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
> but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
> think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
> of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here's the situation:
>> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
>> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
>> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
>> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
>> printer.  Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
>> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
>> fine - will not print.  Documents copied from the headquarters computer
>> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
>> will not print as long as the VPN is active.  The print facility message
>> is that the printer is not responding.
>> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>>
>> I do not understand why this is.  Does anybody here have an idea?  TIA
>>
>> T
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


From bgeldart at verizon.net  Thu Sep 17 10:31:17 2009
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:31:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <0KQ400HTBHAS5YZ0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

FWIW,

I got a 500G drive a few months ago to backup my internal 750, 
planning to put data on the second drive internally.

Someone suggested a docking station ("toaster"), and I'm quite happy 
with it. Can run off USB, or (as I have it) SATA connection. I can 
easily pop in the external HD, do a clone of the main internal, or an 
incremental with another data drive, then pop the drive out and store 
it off site.

I used to have two internal drives, each with a backup area for the 
other. As a data drive, the second was using the PC's power supply 
constantly to just keep the drive running. The external docking 
station doesn't do that.

There are some tricks to get used to, like getting the PC to 
recognize the external drive. I plug in the drive, turn on the dock, 
then reboot the PC, and all is well. But I can't swap drives while 
the PC is on and have it see the external drive.

But as I say, I like the setup.

Just another thought.

Bob

At 9/17/2009 10:39 AM, you wrote:
>I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long time
>ago.
>
>Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online -- would
>have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and we
>don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything
>about brands, features, gotchas, etc.
>
>Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price
>balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.
>
>Susan H.
>
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Maynard, MA  

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 11:08:03 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection? - SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <4AB25A27.5040802@torchlake.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>
	<aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB25A27.5040802@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950909170908qd4d794crd7f92763b20ab38c@mail.gmail.com>

Cool. Glad you got it resolved and thanks for sharing the solution.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> Okay, we got the solution. ?It turned out that the IP address for the
> local printer and the printer at headquarters were the same. ?Thus, we
> were confusing the print facility - trying to print to the wrong printer
> and not knowing it.
>
> Thanks for replying. ?Thought you'd like to know the result.
>
> T
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>> Hi Tina,
>>
>> Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
>> remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
>> number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
>> anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
>> TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
>> access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
>> down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
>> the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
>> but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
>> think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
>> of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here's the situation:
>>> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
>>> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
>>> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
>>> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
>>> printer. ?Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
>>> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
>>> fine - will not print. ?Documents copied from the headquarters computer
>>> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
>>> will not print as long as the VPN is active. ?The print facility message
>>> is that the printer is not responding.
>>> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>>>
>>> I do not understand why this is. ?Does anybody here have an idea? ?TIA
>>>
>>> T
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Sep 17 11:10:58 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:10:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4ab251fd.0a1ad00a.7155.ffffa408@mx.google.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>	<4ab24c1a.0707d00a.1e14.ffffc6a0@mx.google.com><29f585dd0909170807j55d70a02k53506c038caf083b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab251fd.0a1ad00a.7155.ffffa408@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8BC70271BFB04BA7AF67165AD337527C@HAL9005>

Max uses a Passport at school. Small. Inexpensive. Reliable.  Noah's got an
Iomega.  Same thing. Both well under $100 for I think about 250GB.  

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

Choices then.  I am happy with mine. I dropped one of them from table height
to the floor (carpeted) zero damage.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 17 September 2009 16:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

It would seem that prices in Canada are a lot prettier. I haven't checked
1.5TB drives, but I can buy a 1TB drive for $99 CDN, which loosely
translated into Sterling is about 55 pounds I think.
Arthur

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have bought THREE in the last month.  Two for work, one for me.  
> They have all been Seagate Desktop External Drives, 1.5Tb (enormous 
> capacity).  Got them from PC-World for ?130 sterling.
>
>
> Max
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Sep 17 11:55:16 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:55:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters>
	<0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,

Jumping in here to keep you from having the same difficulty I had.  I 
used an external hard drive for all my archived inactive files, also for 
all my photos, and for all my genealogical research.  External drive so 
as not to overload my drive C:  So, far, so good.  What I failed to do 
was to make backups of the external hard drive, too.  So, when it failed 
last winter, I had a very big OOPS - one that a geek like me should 
never have!  Thank God for SpinRite!  Long, long hours (days, weeks, 
even months) later, virtually all data recovered but, oh my what a hassle! 

Bottom line - if the external drive is the only place you have some 
important data, get another drive to put several backups on.  Back up 
the important stuff on both your main drive (C:) and your faithful 
external drive.

The drive that failed was a Simple Tech - though that is a one-off 
experience.  My replacement drives are:  a pretty little Toshiba 500GB 
(I do mean pretty - sleek black with white and gray swoop designs - 
about the size of a children's pack of playing cards), and a WD 1TB "Book."

Hope this helps,
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> Not exclusively. I'm going to move everything but the current working files 
> to the external drive for storage and I'll be backing up my current work, 
> but that only involves a few files daily. I'm not going to update my entire 
> C: drive -- it just isn't necessary for me.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Is this for Backup?
>>
>> If so, then you don't need a high-powered drive.  I use a WD Green drive -
>> it's quiet and cool.  As far as disk reliability vs. brand I don't have
>> enough experience for a recommendation.
>>
>> I use Ghost 9 for automated backup.  The weekly backup takes about 45
>> minutes, and daily incremental backups take about 5 minutes.  These are 
>> set
>> to run automatically late in the evening so I don't even notice. (I think
>> the latest version of Ghost is 14!)
>>
>> What size?  It depends on how many weekly backups of your C drive you want
>> to keep.  If you currently have, say, 50 Gb of data on your C drive, and 
>> you
>> want to keep 4 weekly backups of your C drive, then you'll need at least 
>> 200
>> Gb on your backup drive.  However, hard drives are pretty inexpensive so 
>> you
>> can easily afford more than you need.
>>     
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 11:54:45 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:54:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950909170814h3795012fq460f651d662f9f92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB241CC.5050300@torchlake.com>	<aea6c4950909170728v19137ee6uf1cdf57cbe5d6490@mail.gmail.com>	<4ab250b4.0a1ad00a.72db.ffffa868@mx.google.com>
	<aea6c4950909170814h3795012fq460f651d662f9f92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab269fc.0702d00a.78ce.ffffe38d@mx.google.com>

Yeah, somewhat...comes from too many emails at the same time.

Anyway, glad your sorted Tina.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 17 September 2009 16:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?

Huh?  ;-)  Susan who?  e-mailed them about what?  What's that got to
do with Tina and her VPN issue?

Off on a tangent here Max?  <GRIN>

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Susan, have you emailed them...they have a mailing ?list and I am on it
and
> there are all sorts of questions asked along these lines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 17 September 2009 15:28
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN messing with the printer connection?
>
> Hi Tina,
>
> Our old VPN system at work allowed us to print to either local or
> remote printers. Our NEW MORE SECURE VPN where we now have to enter a
> number of a key fob like device now doesn't allow us to print locally
> anymore. While you are connected to the VPN you are essentially
> TUNNELED IN to the remote network and so your system can't really
> access any of the local stuff anymore until that VPN tunnel is shut
> down. At least that is my understanding. If you had a printer wired to
> the system you are VPN'ing from you MIGHT be able to print on that,
> but because your local printer is going through the local network, I
> think you are out of luck there. Let me emphacise that I AM NOT much
> of an expert on networking stuff. I'm just a user.
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here's the situation:
>> Computer connected to the Internet with a high-speed broadband Wimax.
>> Printer networked by cable to the local computer through the a router.
>> Much of the computer work is done over a VPN situated many states away.
>> Local documents, resident on the local computer, print fine to the
>> printer. ?Documents resident on the headquarters computer and accessed
>> over the VPN will not print on the local printer - display on the screen
>> fine - will not print. ?Documents copied from the headquarters computer
>> onto the local computer will print fine if the VPN is not connected -
>> will not print as long as the VPN is active. ?The print facility message
>> is that the printer is not responding.
>> Shut down the VPN and try again, the document prints just fine.
>>
>> I do not understand why this is. ?Does anybody here have an idea? ?TIA
>>
>> T

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 12:45:45 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:45:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>
	<4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>

So, you need backups for the backups. : )

Yes, I plan to move most of my digital photos to the hard drive, so I guess 
that's a good plan Tina.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan,
> What I failed to do
> was to make backups of the external hard drive, too.  So, when it failed
> last winter, I had a very big OOPS - one that a geek like me should
> never have!  Thank God for SpinRite!  Long, long hours (days, weeks,
> even months) later, virtually all data recovered but, oh my what a hassle!



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep 17 13:06:20 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:06:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>
	<23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3D320EE45AD64B7E817F9AD2F9D12AD2@danwaters>

Susan,

I do recommend that you do backup your entire C drive on a weekly basis,
with incremental backups daily.  This process should be automated.

This way you have duplicates of all your files, and you don't have to count
on yourself to remember which files were changed and which weren't.

In addition, if your C Drive crashes, you can quickly recover.  First put a
new C drive in.  Then start the PC using the Ghost emergency disk - I think
you can format the new disk with this (if not then format the new disk on a
working PC).  Then you can continue to use the emergency disk to do a
Restore of every file on the Backup disk, and you then have your PC right
back where it was at your most recent daily backup!

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

So, you need backups for the backups. : )

Yes, I plan to move most of my digital photos to the hard drive, so I guess
that's a good plan Tina.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan,
> What I failed to do
> was to make backups of the external hard drive, too.  So, when it 
> failed last winter, I had a very big OOPS - one that a geek like me 
> should never have!  Thank God for SpinRite!  Long, long hours (days, 
> weeks, even months) later, virtually all data recovered but, oh my what a
hassle!

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Sep 17 13:11:00 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:11:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>
	<23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Susan,
If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
for $59.99 


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

So, you need backups for the backups. : )

Yes, I plan to move most of my digital photos to the hard drive, so I
guess that's a good plan Tina.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan,
> What I failed to do
> was to make backups of the external hard drive, too.  So, when it 
> failed last winter, I had a very big OOPS - one that a geek like me 
> should never have!  Thank God for SpinRite!  Long, long hours (days, 
> weeks, even months) later, virtually all data recovered but, oh my
what a hassle!

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:15:28 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:15:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
	<3D320EE45AD64B7E817F9AD2F9D12AD2@danwaters>
Message-ID: <79345EB0FDC045BFA5D64F7A92B4F4A0@SusanOne>

Well, if I worked the way you guys do, that would make good sense. My needs 
are very limited:

1.) I have only a few working files at any giving time and they are mostly 
doc files with example mdb's, code modules, etc. -- a backup to an external 
drive once a day will fill the bill. I haven't done any serious development 
in a few years.
2.) I don't have the extended software needs most of you do. If I had to 
rebuild my system, I'd just reinstall the little software that I use --  
Windows, Office, the Express suite and I'd be done. I use all default 
settings because I have to -- I have to know what they are when I'm writing 
so I don't miss steps, etc.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> I do recommend that you do backup your entire C drive on a weekly basis,
> with incremental backups daily.  This process should be automated.
>
> This way you have duplicates of all your files, and you don't have to 
> count
> on yourself to remember which files were changed and which weren't.
>
> In addition, if your C Drive crashes, you can quickly recover.  First put 
> a
> new C drive in.  Then start the PC using the Ghost emergency disk - I 
> think
> you can format the new disk with this (if not then format the new disk on 
> a
> working PC).  Then you can continue to use the emergency disk to do a
> Restore of every file on the Backup disk, and you then have your PC right
> back where it was at your most recent daily backup!



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:16:12 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:16:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>

No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have 
everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.

Susan H.

> Susan,
> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
> for $59.99



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Sep 17 13:38:05 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:38:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9
	416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF
	@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4AB2820D.4070404@torchlake.com>

Hi again Susan,

Sam's Club is where I found mine for very low prices - about $50 for the 
500GB Toshiba, and something like $89 or so for the 1TB WD.  I think 
they were both on a special sale, but, hey - I couldn't beat those prices!
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have 
> everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.
>
> Susan H.
>
>   
>> Susan,
>> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
>> for $59.99
>>     
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:38:57 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:38:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters>
	<0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>
	<4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>
	<23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950909171138m79ebb9feqb9dd730d2872897c@mail.gmail.com>

If you had two smaller ones verses one big one and then rotate them
that might give you some reduntant backup in case one of them failed.
You could keep one in the fireproof safe or at your daughter's house
when it wasn't being used.

GK

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, you need backups for the backups. : )
>
> Yes, I plan to move most of my digital photos to the hard drive, so I guess
> that's a good plan Tina.
>
> Susan H.
>
>> Hi Susan,
>> What I failed to do
>> was to make backups of the external hard drive, too. ?So, when it failed
>> last winter, I had a very big OOPS - one that a geek like me should
>> never have! ?Thank God for SpinRite! ?Long, long hours (days, weeks,
>> even months) later, virtually all data recovered but, oh my what a hassle!
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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Gary Kjos
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 17 13:46:54 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:46:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4AB2820D.4070404@torchlake.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9	416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF	@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
	<4AB2820D.4070404@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4AB2841E.7060808@earthlink.net>

Those prices are below Amazon's!

P.

Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi again Susan,
>
> Sam's Club is where I found mine for very low prices - about $50 for the 
> 500GB Toshiba, and something like $89 or so for the 1TB WD.  I think 
> they were both on a special sale, but, hey - I couldn't beat those prices!
> T
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>   
>> No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have 
>> everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Susan,
>>> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
>>> for $59.99
>>>     
>>>       
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:50:36 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:50:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4AB2820D.4070404@torchlake.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9	416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF	@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
	<4AB2820D.4070404@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ab2851b.0702d00a.78ce.2489@mx.google.com>

Sounds like good value there Tina

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: 17 September 2009 19:38
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

Hi again Susan,

Sam's Club is where I found mine for very low prices - about $50 for the 
500GB Toshiba, and something like $89 or so for the 1TB WD.  I think 
they were both on a special sale, but, hey - I couldn't beat those prices!
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have 
> everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.
>
> Susan H.
>
>   
>> Susan,
>> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
>> for $59.99
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 13:53:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:53:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4ab285d1.1c07d00a.1c8e.6049@mx.google.com>

Personally I have had bad experiences with Maxtor.  Despite the name <g>

But,  I would say, don't buy 50Gb.  Go for 1.5 or 2Tb.  Then you can forget
about upgrading for a while.

As others have posted, buy two and back one up to the other.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 17 September 2009 19:16
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have 
everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.

Susan H.

> Susan,
> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
> for $59.99

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Thu Sep 17 15:15:16 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:15:16 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4ab285d1.1c07d00a.1c8e.6049@mx.google.com>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne><225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters><0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne><4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com><23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
	<4ab285d1.1c07d00a.1c8e.6049@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4D0E3833498A4C08905267B329BB26AC@jt2c>

Nowt wrong with Maxtor, I've had terrible experiences with Seagata
Barracudas, but never a problem with Maxtors.


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 17 September 2009 19:54
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

Personally I have had bad experiences with Maxtor.  Despite the name <g>

But,  I would say, don't buy 50Gb.  Go for 1.5 or 2Tb.  Then you can forget
about upgrading for a while.

As others have posted, buy two and back one up to the other.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 17 September 2009 19:16
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive

No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have
everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.

Susan H.

> Susan,
> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch 
> for $59.99

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 15:45:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:45:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <4D0E3833498A4C08905267B329BB26AC@jt2c>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
	<225608E175814AA2A3302D04D9AC3E11@danwaters>
	<0AF6861BC19B4B6A94EED6D2271B9416@SusanOne>
	<4AB269F4.60609@torchlake.com>
	<23D9D7234FB74F5497F83452D822BD95@SusanOne>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7015514EF@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<43C418D0F7BB4E97B3527BEB3E09E90F@SusanOne>
	<4ab285d1.1c07d00a.1c8e.6049@mx.google.com>
	<4D0E3833498A4C08905267B329BB26AC@jt2c>
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0909171345sfe15638k41c4f16ceae83c42@mail.gmail.com>

Well, as theYanks would say YMMV (your mileage may vary) XX


On 9/17/09, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> Nowt wrong with Maxtor, I've had terrible experiences with Seagata
> Barracudas, but never a problem with Maxtors.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: 17 September 2009 19:54
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
>
> Personally I have had bad experiences with Maxtor.  Despite the name <g>
>
> But,  I would say, don't buy 50Gb.  Go for 1.5 or 2Tb.  Then you can forget
> about upgrading for a while.
>
> As others have posted, buy two and back one up to the other.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 17 September 2009 19:16
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
>
> No, I don't, but I'm only 30 minutes from Lexington and they have
> everything... well, except a good fish sandwich.
>
> Susan H.
>
>> Susan,
>> If you have a Staples near you you can pickup a 500Gb Maxtor One Touch
>> for $59.99
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Sep 17 17:45:54 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:45:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
In-Reply-To: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
References: <BB37D965BF2845149131B0E4DFB3093F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006d01ca37e8$9de373b0$d9aa5b10$@net>

I got a Seagate-FreeAgent Desk 500GB External USB 2.0 Hard
Drive-Silver-ST305004FD for about $100 at Best Buy. I've been using it for
daily backups since April with no problems. I use the included backup
software to back up MyDocuments and MyPictures and a couple other
directories that are located elsewhere. I have it back up automatically at
10:00am every day and do not notice any slowdown or interference with
whatever else I'm doing at the time.


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:39 AM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] External hard drive
> 
> I'm going to buy an external hard drive -- should've done it a long
> time
> ago.
> 
> Any recommendations? I need to buy one locally instead of online --
> would
> have to make a 2 hour trip into the credit union to deposit funds and
> we
> don't "do" credit. They have them at Wal-mart, just don't know anything
> about brands, features, gotchas, etc.
> 
> Seems to me like it should just be a question of size versus price
> balance -- I'm not expecting this to be a difficult process.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 07:26:00 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:26:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone here use Ruby on Rails? I'm working my way through the RoR Bible
and I have a couple of questions.
TIA,
Arthur


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 17:44:17 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:44:17 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Arthur,
never used it but would love to hear what you think about it,

Did you read Dreaming in Code that Shamil mentioned a few months ago?
 really fascinating book.

thanks

Mark



2009/9/18 Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>

> Does anyone here use Ruby on Rails? I'm working my way through the RoR
> Bible
> and I have a couple of questions.
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 07:13:13 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:13:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>

As I mentioned, I'm just getting started with RoR, but so far I'm very
impressed with it. It makes several assumptions such as "convention over
configuration", which means roughly that you will name various objects in a
certain way. With a single command, you can create a whole directory tree
for your application, complete with development, test and production
directories. Many of the objects created within this tree, as well as the
tables you create in the database and even their column names, are assumed
to be called xxx. You can disobey these conventions but to do so costs you a
lot in terms of automation. I'm prepared to pay that price.
There are a couple of standard installation packages that include everything
you'll need. By everything I mean apache, a local web server called Webrick,
MySQL and of course Ruby on Rails itself. itselfI used an increasingly
popular one called Bitnami Rubystack.

The language is a dynamic language. No variables need be declared before
use, and should you want to, you could change the datatype of a given
variable anytime you want to.

The approach takes a little getting used to, but results in very clean and
minimal code. Following the instructions in the Getting Started chapter, I
had a simple web site up and running (addressing a single table) complete
with a start page, all the CRUD methods, and pages to add new records and
edit existing records. This whole process took maybe 15 minutes.

I'll continue to report on RoR as I progress through the book I'm following
(Ruby on Rails Bible, by Timothy Fisher).

A.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Arthur,
> never used it but would love to hear what you think about it,
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 08:22:50 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:22:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chome Question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone here (besides me) use Google Chrome as their browser? I cannot
figure out how to enable JavaScript within it. Anyone know?
TIA,
Arthur


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Sep 19 09:04:47 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:04:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chome Question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4E4FF.6050006@torchlake.com>

Arthur,

I found the comment that Chrome enables javascript by default. 

Also found this suggestion:  Go to Start > Run and type in:
C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Local 
Settings\ApplicationData\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe 
-enable-javascript

That should do it. 

Hope this helps,
T


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Does anyone here (besides me) use Google Chrome as their browser? I cannot
> figure out how to enable JavaScript within it. Anyone know?
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 19 09:32:52 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:32:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>

>You can disobey these conventions but to do so costs you a
>lot in terms of automation. I'm prepared to pay that price.
>There are a couple of standard installation packages that include everything
>you'll need. By everything I mean apache, a local web server called Webrick,
>MySQL and of course Ruby on Rails itself. itselfI used an increasingly
>popular one called Bitnami Rubystack.

If you want to use the RoR directory structure, how does that play with 
PHP & Perl projects already running under an existing Apache installation?

P.

-----

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> As I mentioned, I'm just getting started with RoR, but so far I'm very
> impressed with it. It makes several assumptions such as "convention over
> configuration", which means roughly that you will name various objects in a
> certain way. With a single command, you can create a whole directory tree
> for your application, complete with development, test and production
> directories. Many of the objects created within this tree, as well as the
> tables you create in the database and even their column names, are assumed
> to be called xxx. You can disobey these conventions but to do so costs you a
> lot in terms of automation. I'm prepared to pay that price.
> There are a couple of standard installation packages that include everything
> you'll need. By everything I mean apache, a local web server called Webrick,
> MySQL and of course Ruby on Rails itself. itselfI used an increasingly
> popular one called Bitnami Rubystack.
>
> The language is a dynamic language. No variables need be declared before
> use, and should you want to, you could change the datatype of a given
> variable anytime you want to.
>
> The approach takes a little getting used to, but results in very clean and
> minimal code. Following the instructions in the Getting Started chapter, I
> had a simple web site up and running (addressing a single table) complete
> with a start page, all the CRUD methods, and pages to add new records and
> edit existing records. This whole process took maybe 15 minutes.
>
> I'll continue to report on RoR as I progress through the book I'm following
> (Ruby on Rails Bible, by Timothy Fisher).
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello Arthur,
>> never used it but would love to hear what you think about it,
>>
>>
>>     
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 19 09:34:21 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:34:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chome Question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7855E4DAFA64A96A4B87BBD8EFC837B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Arthur:

Select the little wrench icon on the top right corner, then from the popdown
list select 'options', then 'Under the Hood' tab, then under 'Network'
change Proxy Settings button and then it will popup IE setting (built in
Windows), select the 'Security' tab, press 'Custom Level'. In the Security
Settings - Internet Zone dialog box, click Enable for Active Scripting in
the Scripting and your done.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chome Question

Does anyone here (besides me) use Google Chrome as their browser? I cannot
figure out how to enable JavaScript within it. Anyone know?
TIA,
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 10:12:11 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:12:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chome Question
In-Reply-To: <E7855E4DAFA64A96A4B87BBD8EFC837B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <29f585dd0909190622l2edfb080h81c54860a6e2903@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7855E4DAFA64A96A4B87BBD8EFC837B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909190812l214871afwbedf1ea8a0deb1e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim
That worked nicely.

A.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Select the little wrench icon on the top right corner, then from the
> popdown
> list select 'options', then 'Under the Hood' tab, then under 'Network'
> change Proxy Settings button and then it will popup IE setting (built in
> Windows), select the 'Security' tab, press 'Custom Level'. In the Security
> Settings - Internet Zone dialog box, click Enable for Active Scripting in
> the Scripting and your done.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 10:55:16 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:55:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have any clue about this sort of mix-and-match approach. I did
notice something within the NetBeans IDE (Ruby Project) that suggests that
you can mix-and-match but I haven't made it far enough up the learning curve
to be confident of trying this.
Back in our old days (Artful.Lib), as you recall, we had opinionated ideas
about directory structures etc. We didn't go nearly as far as RoR does in
embracing the convention-over-configuration premise, but we were on the
right track -- lazy is best: obey some conventions to reap maximum benefit.

I've just finished installing the Ruby/JRuby plugin for NetBeans and am
going to spend half this weekend experimenting. (The other half will be
devoted to designing Version 2 of an inherited app that is sorely in need of
a normalization redesign.)

For a semi-retired hobbyist, I sure seem busy (at least to me). "I tried to
get out, but they kept dragging me back in." c.f. Godfather LOL. Every step
of the way, it gets more complex. When you and I started with computing,
learning CP/M and dBASE II and WordStar, I thought then that careers in this
business were done -- it was already simple enough that anyone could be her
own MayTag repairPerson. Turns out I was woefully wrong. Which, if I still
wanted a career in this business, might be regarded as a godsend. However, I
am not really that interested any more in a career in this business, and am
increasingly happy with my semi-retired status. Now I can concentrate on
such things as Genetic Algorithms, learning Mandarin, completing my
tabla-solo-generator, and taking the teleological approach to the chess
problem (as opposed to the brute-force Deep Blue approach -- in this case I
have a feeling that I'm right, and that Deep Blue is all wrong, but I'm one
old guy competing with a huge corporation with pockets deeper than the Grand
Canyon).

I have a current arrangement with a married couple in this complex: a
one-hour lesson per day in language skills. The couple of interest consists
of a husband who speaks Cantonese and a wife who speaks Mandarin, both of
whom want to improve their English skills. We have decided that it's best
for me to learn Mandarin first, and once I have the four tones down pat,
then we can expand to the seven Cantonese tones. So far I cannot say very
much: I can say Good Morning and Good Afternoon; I can count, I can list the
days of the week and the months of the year and I can pretty quickly
determine whether one of the dwellers in my complex speaks Cantonese or
Mandarin. Inch by inch. It helps to have a lesson per day -- it really
helps!

There are fundamental differences between Chinese (meaning
Cantonese+Mandarin) and English. One huge difference is that in Chinese
there is no "cast" of a verb. Whether you mean past, present or future, the
verb remains the same, and whether you mean Person (singular, single-plural,
etc.) the verb itself doesn't change, only its prefix. Similarly for tense.
It's all implied by context and a prefix or suffix here or there.

Half of my last lesson (this is a two-way street) I devoted to the concept
of tense. I know my way around English fairly well, but I decided that given
the differences I would stop at Past, Present, Future and Conditional. Later
for Conditional Past PluPerfect and so on. (Back when I was a kid, we
studied Latin and French as well as English, and had word-games with tense,
making up sentences  in the most complex tenses, such as "He would have been
being ..." I guess that's why I never became a soccer star.

The complex I'm living in now is occupied by approximately 80% people of
Chinese origin, the majority of whom can speak English barely if at all. But
I can pretty quickly detect whether they speak Cantonese (the majority) or
Mandarin (maybe 20% max), and in the halls or the elevators I listen for a
moment and then say either Nihau or JoSan, assuming it's morning, or other
variants for later in the day (equivalent to the Spanish Buenas Diaz, Buenas
Tardes, Buenas Noches).

A really interesting thing happened recently. My Chinese tutor-couple and I
meet daily in the rooftop greenhouse, which has tables and chairs and a
sunroof and loads of plants, and we were doing our lessons, when another
elderly Mandarin-speaking woman entered to water her plants, and saw us
learning our lessons. At the time she said nothing, not wanting to
interrupt; she watered her plants and left. Next morning I entered the
elevator and there she was, and seeing me she positively beamed with
pleasure, and said "Your Mandarin is Very Good!" (clearly a flattering lie,
but one delivered with encouragement and even a thumbs-up).

I think that this is more a statement about the English-speaking
Torontonians in this neighbourhood than it is about me. I can't yet speak
anything significant, much less deliver a comment about what I recently
thought or dreamt or experienced. But it would appear that my meager
attempts to learn Chinese are met with pleasure and resounding
encouragement. I am guessing that these people are used to being excluded
and therefore tend to be insular, and that my attempts to enter their world
are surprising -- judging by the look on that woman's face when we shared an
elevator and she gave me the Two Thumbs Up.

So I guess this can be considered an experiment to discover whether you can
teach an old dog a new trick. At the rate we're progressing, I think that
within a year of daily lessons, I will be able to bargain in Chinatown LOL.

Arthur


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 11:05:42 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:05:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab5017b.0707d00a.3efb.3bd2@mx.google.com>

Priceless.  Good luck to you Arthur and WELL DONE!

Lovely story.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 19 September 2009 16:55
To: Peter Brawley
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Clare Fuller
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails

I wouldn't have any clue about this sort of mix-and-match approach. I did
notice something within the NetBeans IDE (Ruby Project) that suggests that
you can mix-and-match but I haven't made it far enough up the learning curve
to be confident of trying this.
Back in our old days (Artful.Lib), as you recall, we had opinionated ideas
about directory structures etc. We didn't go nearly as far as RoR does in
embracing the convention-over-configuration premise, but we were on the
right track -- lazy is best: obey some conventions to reap maximum benefit.

I've just finished installing the Ruby/JRuby plugin for NetBeans and am
going to spend half this weekend experimenting. (The other half will be
devoted to designing Version 2 of an inherited app that is sorely in need of
a normalization redesign.)

For a semi-retired hobbyist, I sure seem busy (at least to me). "I tried to
get out, but they kept dragging me back in." c.f. Godfather LOL. Every step
of the way, it gets more complex. When you and I started with computing,
learning CP/M and dBASE II and WordStar, I thought then that careers in this
business were done -- it was already simple enough that anyone could be her
own MayTag repairPerson. Turns out I was woefully wrong. Which, if I still
wanted a career in this business, might be regarded as a godsend. However, I
am not really that interested any more in a career in this business, and am
increasingly happy with my semi-retired status. Now I can concentrate on
such things as Genetic Algorithms, learning Mandarin, completing my
tabla-solo-generator, and taking the teleological approach to the chess
problem (as opposed to the brute-force Deep Blue approach -- in this case I
have a feeling that I'm right, and that Deep Blue is all wrong, but I'm one
old guy competing with a huge corporation with pockets deeper than the Grand
Canyon).

I have a current arrangement with a married couple in this complex: a
one-hour lesson per day in language skills. The couple of interest consists
of a husband who speaks Cantonese and a wife who speaks Mandarin, both of
whom want to improve their English skills. We have decided that it's best
for me to learn Mandarin first, and once I have the four tones down pat,
then we can expand to the seven Cantonese tones. So far I cannot say very
much: I can say Good Morning and Good Afternoon; I can count, I can list the
days of the week and the months of the year and I can pretty quickly
determine whether one of the dwellers in my complex speaks Cantonese or
Mandarin. Inch by inch. It helps to have a lesson per day -- it really
helps!

There are fundamental differences between Chinese (meaning
Cantonese+Mandarin) and English. One huge difference is that in Chinese
there is no "cast" of a verb. Whether you mean past, present or future, the
verb remains the same, and whether you mean Person (singular, single-plural,
etc.) the verb itself doesn't change, only its prefix. Similarly for tense.
It's all implied by context and a prefix or suffix here or there.

Half of my last lesson (this is a two-way street) I devoted to the concept
of tense. I know my way around English fairly well, but I decided that given
the differences I would stop at Past, Present, Future and Conditional. Later
for Conditional Past PluPerfect and so on. (Back when I was a kid, we
studied Latin and French as well as English, and had word-games with tense,
making up sentences  in the most complex tenses, such as "He would have been
being ..." I guess that's why I never became a soccer star.

The complex I'm living in now is occupied by approximately 80% people of
Chinese origin, the majority of whom can speak English barely if at all. But
I can pretty quickly detect whether they speak Cantonese (the majority) or
Mandarin (maybe 20% max), and in the halls or the elevators I listen for a
moment and then say either Nihau or JoSan, assuming it's morning, or other
variants for later in the day (equivalent to the Spanish Buenas Diaz, Buenas
Tardes, Buenas Noches).

A really interesting thing happened recently. My Chinese tutor-couple and I
meet daily in the rooftop greenhouse, which has tables and chairs and a
sunroof and loads of plants, and we were doing our lessons, when another
elderly Mandarin-speaking woman entered to water her plants, and saw us
learning our lessons. At the time she said nothing, not wanting to
interrupt; she watered her plants and left. Next morning I entered the
elevator and there she was, and seeing me she positively beamed with
pleasure, and said "Your Mandarin is Very Good!" (clearly a flattering lie,
but one delivered with encouragement and even a thumbs-up).

I think that this is more a statement about the English-speaking
Torontonians in this neighbourhood than it is about me. I can't yet speak
anything significant, much less deliver a comment about what I recently
thought or dreamt or experienced. But it would appear that my meager
attempts to learn Chinese are met with pleasure and resounding
encouragement. I am guessing that these people are used to being excluded
and therefore tend to be insular, and that my attempts to enter their world
are surprising -- judging by the look on that woman's face when we shared an
elevator and she gave me the Two Thumbs Up.

So I guess this can be considered an experiment to discover whether you can
teach an old dog a new trick. At the rate we're progressing, I think that
within a year of daily lessons, I will be able to bargain in Chinatown LOL.

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 11:45:55 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:45:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <4ab5017b.0707d00a.3efb.3bd2@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab5017b.0707d00a.3efb.3bd2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909190945y171e818bpf36e1048aa22b55c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Max
A.


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 13:00:50 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:00:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
Message-ID: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>

 

Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

 

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
&tag=nl.e064

 

 

Max

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 18:26:26 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:26:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909191626i5accc13le7ca5544a542daa3@mail.gmail.com>

I run Sun's VirtualBox on my AMD-64 bit box with an NVidia video driver and
a 22" Acer monitor and 4GB of RAM. For the most part, I love what I am
getting, but there is one funny thing that puzzles me. I have several
virtual machines installed: Ubuntu Linux, and two different instances of
winXP, one devoted to my Bitnami Rubystack installation and the other to XP
+ Office 2007 + various SPs. The latter opens in a relatively large screen,
but the Bitnami one opens in a smaller window which will not expand beyond
its initial size. I don't know what I did to create these differences, but I
would really enjoy figuring out how to increase the size of the Bitnami XP
VM.
Should I maybe destroy it and start over? I cannot remember what I did to
create the nice big XP window, but that's how I would like the BitNami XP
installation to appear in a window sized similarly.

These problems aside, and my ignorance about Hyper-V and other offerings
admitted, I really like Sun's VirtualBox. At the moment I am running two
instances of XP and one instance of Ubuntu, all on top of Windows Sever 2008
SP2, and everything works lovely. I am slowly concluding that this is the
way to go, in future: for every client project, a VM that emulates his/her
installation. Nothing wrong with a dozen VMs, only two or three of which are
running at any given moment.

(Another question, whose answer I suppose I can look up, but thought it
might prove fruitful to make it a public question: given four slots, what's
the maximum amount of RAM I can plonk into this baby? Are there 4GB chips?
That would take me to 16GB and doubtless that would be very cool in a
VirtualBox environment!)

And just to tie all this up, a segue back to the poetry thread, from T.S.
Eliot:

I grow old, I grow old,
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

A.

-- 
Semi-retired SQL guru, interested in interesting projects not YAFOES (yet
another friendly order entry system).


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 03:20:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:20:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cheap .biz domains
Message-ID: <4ab5e5f1.1c05d00a.4499.ffff9d14@mx.google.com>

Get a cheap domain at 123reg.co.uk (?2.80 for a .biz.  

 Max



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 20 10:19:57 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:19:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE934191AA934609A67EF866CC1DDDC5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

So which version of RoR are you working on Mandarin or Cantonese? Keep up
the good work Arthur... you are obviously not fit for retirement. ;-) 

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:55 AM
To: Peter Brawley
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Clare Fuller
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails

I wouldn't have any clue about this sort of mix-and-match approach. I did
notice something within the NetBeans IDE (Ruby Project) that suggests that
you can mix-and-match but I haven't made it far enough up the learning curve
to be confident of trying this.
Back in our old days (Artful.Lib), as you recall, we had opinionated ideas
about directory structures etc. We didn't go nearly as far as RoR does in
embracing the convention-over-configuration premise, but we were on the
right track -- lazy is best: obey some conventions to reap maximum benefit.

I've just finished installing the Ruby/JRuby plugin for NetBeans and am
going to spend half this weekend experimenting. (The other half will be
devoted to designing Version 2 of an inherited app that is sorely in need of
a normalization redesign.)

For a semi-retired hobbyist, I sure seem busy (at least to me). "I tried to
get out, but they kept dragging me back in." c.f. Godfather LOL. Every step
of the way, it gets more complex. When you and I started with computing,
learning CP/M and dBASE II and WordStar, I thought then that careers in this
business were done -- it was already simple enough that anyone could be her
own MayTag repairPerson. Turns out I was woefully wrong. Which, if I still
wanted a career in this business, might be regarded as a godsend. However, I
am not really that interested any more in a career in this business, and am
increasingly happy with my semi-retired status. Now I can concentrate on
such things as Genetic Algorithms, learning Mandarin, completing my
tabla-solo-generator, and taking the teleological approach to the chess
problem (as opposed to the brute-force Deep Blue approach -- in this case I
have a feeling that I'm right, and that Deep Blue is all wrong, but I'm one
old guy competing with a huge corporation with pockets deeper than the Grand
Canyon).

I have a current arrangement with a married couple in this complex: a
one-hour lesson per day in language skills. The couple of interest consists
of a husband who speaks Cantonese and a wife who speaks Mandarin, both of
whom want to improve their English skills. We have decided that it's best
for me to learn Mandarin first, and once I have the four tones down pat,
then we can expand to the seven Cantonese tones. So far I cannot say very
much: I can say Good Morning and Good Afternoon; I can count, I can list the
days of the week and the months of the year and I can pretty quickly
determine whether one of the dwellers in my complex speaks Cantonese or
Mandarin. Inch by inch. It helps to have a lesson per day -- it really
helps!

There are fundamental differences between Chinese (meaning
Cantonese+Mandarin) and English. One huge difference is that in Chinese
there is no "cast" of a verb. Whether you mean past, present or future, the
verb remains the same, and whether you mean Person (singular, single-plural,
etc.) the verb itself doesn't change, only its prefix. Similarly for tense.
It's all implied by context and a prefix or suffix here or there.

Half of my last lesson (this is a two-way street) I devoted to the concept
of tense. I know my way around English fairly well, but I decided that given
the differences I would stop at Past, Present, Future and Conditional. Later
for Conditional Past PluPerfect and so on. (Back when I was a kid, we
studied Latin and French as well as English, and had word-games with tense,
making up sentences  in the most complex tenses, such as "He would have been
being ..." I guess that's why I never became a soccer star.

The complex I'm living in now is occupied by approximately 80% people of
Chinese origin, the majority of whom can speak English barely if at all. But
I can pretty quickly detect whether they speak Cantonese (the majority) or
Mandarin (maybe 20% max), and in the halls or the elevators I listen for a
moment and then say either Nihau or JoSan, assuming it's morning, or other
variants for later in the day (equivalent to the Spanish Buenas Diaz, Buenas
Tardes, Buenas Noches).

A really interesting thing happened recently. My Chinese tutor-couple and I
meet daily in the rooftop greenhouse, which has tables and chairs and a
sunroof and loads of plants, and we were doing our lessons, when another
elderly Mandarin-speaking woman entered to water her plants, and saw us
learning our lessons. At the time she said nothing, not wanting to
interrupt; she watered her plants and left. Next morning I entered the
elevator and there she was, and seeing me she positively beamed with
pleasure, and said "Your Mandarin is Very Good!" (clearly a flattering lie,
but one delivered with encouragement and even a thumbs-up).

I think that this is more a statement about the English-speaking
Torontonians in this neighbourhood than it is about me. I can't yet speak
anything significant, much less deliver a comment about what I recently
thought or dreamt or experienced. But it would appear that my meager
attempts to learn Chinese are met with pleasure and resounding
encouragement. I am guessing that these people are used to being excluded
and therefore tend to be insular, and that my attempts to enter their world
are surprising -- judging by the look on that woman's face when we shared an
elevator and she gave me the Two Thumbs Up.

So I guess this can be considered an experiment to discover whether you can
teach an old dog a new trick. At the rate we're progressing, I think that
within a year of daily lessons, I will be able to bargain in Chinatown LOL.

Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 20 10:36:04 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:36:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
In-Reply-To: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <91BE92DC96BF47B98899F2D4C0E39D78@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is brilliant Max! 

I am not sure what security features my daughters use on their laptops but I
will send this link along.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:01 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

 

Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

 

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
&tag=nl.e064

 

 

Max

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 20 11:46:53 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:46:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909191626i5accc13le7ca5544a542daa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909191626i5accc13le7ca5544a542daa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4CCF98967B441F08CA4466670CC6D18@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Theoretically, 16 exabytes can be supported by a 64 bit hardware... now
reality. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

It is all so hardware architecture and OS dependent. I believe your Acer has
an internal 52bit bus and an AMD64 chip is 44bit and is therefore limited.
The new Windows 7 64 bit can access up to 196GB of RAM while the Vista can
access up to 128GB of RAM but this depends on the versions.

The new Snow Leopard from Mac is supposed to be a true 64bit OS. I
understand the Ubuntu 9.x, with the Ubuntu server header
(http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution)
can be set to be able to access 16TB of RAM but this is all again, hardware
dependant.

I have never been able to get more than 4GB of RAM addressable on most
inexpensive 64bit motherboards and that would include Acer (32 or 64). That
is the reason I bought an Asus 64 bit quad core motherboard as it seems to
have no problem accessing 8GB of RAM (the maximum I could afford at the
time).

I am by no means an expert at this but these are my experiences. I have
found that the theoritical limit has nothing to do with the real limit.

HTH more than confuses.

Jim   


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions

I run Sun's VirtualBox on my AMD-64 bit box with an NVidia video driver and
a 22" Acer monitor and 4GB of RAM. For the most part, I love what I am
getting, but there is one funny thing that puzzles me. I have several
virtual machines installed: Ubuntu Linux, and two different instances of
winXP, one devoted to my Bitnami Rubystack installation and the other to XP
+ Office 2007 + various SPs. The latter opens in a relatively large screen,
but the Bitnami one opens in a smaller window which will not expand beyond
its initial size. I don't know what I did to create these differences, but I
would really enjoy figuring out how to increase the size of the Bitnami XP
VM.
Should I maybe destroy it and start over? I cannot remember what I did to
create the nice big XP window, but that's how I would like the BitNami XP
installation to appear in a window sized similarly.

These problems aside, and my ignorance about Hyper-V and other offerings
admitted, I really like Sun's VirtualBox. At the moment I am running two
instances of XP and one instance of Ubuntu, all on top of Windows Sever 2008
SP2, and everything works lovely. I am slowly concluding that this is the
way to go, in future: for every client project, a VM that emulates his/her
installation. Nothing wrong with a dozen VMs, only two or three of which are
running at any given moment.

(Another question, whose answer I suppose I can look up, but thought it
might prove fruitful to make it a public question: given four slots, what's
the maximum amount of RAM I can plonk into this baby? Are there 4GB chips?
That would take me to 16GB and doubtless that would be very cool in a
VirtualBox environment!)

And just to tie all this up, a segue back to the poetry thread, from T.S.
Eliot:

I grow old, I grow old,
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

A.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 14:18:38 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:18:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
In-Reply-To: <91BE92DC96BF47B98899F2D4C0E39D78@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
	<91BE92DC96BF47B98899F2D4C0E39D78@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4ab68043.0a04d00a.1c4c.ffffb820@mx.google.com>

Jim, I would suggest that she does not pass over any email details but
instead, set up a new Gmail account for this purposed and in the settings of
that, do a redirect to her main account.  That way she will get the emails
without compromising her passwords etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 20 September 2009 16:36
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

That is brilliant Max! 

I am not sure what security features my daughters use on their laptops but I
will send this link along.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:01 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

 

Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

 

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
&tag=nl.e064

 

 

Max

 

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 14:53:52 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:53:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909201253m27293c63y9d1a850ded19aff1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Arthur,
Your lucky to be in an area where you can speak Chinese on a daily basis.  I
think that it is almost impossible to learn a language unless you are
exposed to it.

If you have a chance to visit China at some stage you should try it.  I have
been five times and it is a wonderful place.  The people are great, the
environment feels safe and the food is the best in the world.

I love China.  It can be intense, and even lonely, but it is always pure
China.

You can visit China without the need to go with a tour, and you do not need
to stay in expensive hotels designed for westerners.  I think once you go
there, you are likely to return regularly.

Good luck with your language training,

Mark


2009/9/19 Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>

> I wouldn't have any clue about this sort of mix-and-match approach. I did
> notice something within the NetBeans IDE (Ruby Project) that suggests that
> you can mix-and-match but I haven't made it far enough up the learning
> curve
> to be confident of trying this.
> Back in our old days (Artful.Lib), as you recall, we had opinionated ideas
> about directory structures etc. We didn't go nearly as far as RoR does in
> embracing the convention-over-configuration premise, but we were on the
> right track -- lazy is best: obey some conventions to reap maximum benefit.
>
> I've just finished installing the Ruby/JRuby plugin for NetBeans and am
> going to spend half this weekend experimenting. (The other half will be
> devoted to designing Version 2 of an inherited app that is sorely in need
> of
> a normalization redesign.)
>
> For a semi-retired hobbyist, I sure seem busy (at least to me). "I tried to
> get out, but they kept dragging me back in." c.f. Godfather LOL. Every step
> of the way, it gets more complex. When you and I started with computing,
> learning CP/M and dBASE II and WordStar, I thought then that careers in
> this
> business were done -- it was already simple enough that anyone could be her
> own MayTag repairPerson. Turns out I was woefully wrong. Which, if I still
> wanted a career in this business, might be regarded as a godsend. However,
> I
> am not really that interested any more in a career in this business, and am
> increasingly happy with my semi-retired status. Now I can concentrate on
> such things as Genetic Algorithms, learning Mandarin, completing my
> tabla-solo-generator, and taking the teleological approach to the chess
> problem (as opposed to the brute-force Deep Blue approach -- in this case I
> have a feeling that I'm right, and that Deep Blue is all wrong, but I'm one
> old guy competing with a huge corporation with pockets deeper than the
> Grand
> Canyon).
>
> I have a current arrangement with a married couple in this complex: a
> one-hour lesson per day in language skills. The couple of interest consists
> of a husband who speaks Cantonese and a wife who speaks Mandarin, both of
> whom want to improve their English skills. We have decided that it's best
> for me to learn Mandarin first, and once I have the four tones down pat,
> then we can expand to the seven Cantonese tones. So far I cannot say very
> much: I can say Good Morning and Good Afternoon; I can count, I can list
> the
> days of the week and the months of the year and I can pretty quickly
> determine whether one of the dwellers in my complex speaks Cantonese or
> Mandarin. Inch by inch. It helps to have a lesson per day -- it really
> helps!
>
> There are fundamental differences between Chinese (meaning
> Cantonese+Mandarin) and English. One huge difference is that in Chinese
> there is no "cast" of a verb. Whether you mean past, present or future, the
> verb remains the same, and whether you mean Person (singular,
> single-plural,
> etc.) the verb itself doesn't change, only its prefix. Similarly for tense.
> It's all implied by context and a prefix or suffix here or there.
>
> Half of my last lesson (this is a two-way street) I devoted to the concept
> of tense. I know my way around English fairly well, but I decided that
> given
> the differences I would stop at Past, Present, Future and Conditional.
> Later
> for Conditional Past PluPerfect and so on. (Back when I was a kid, we
> studied Latin and French as well as English, and had word-games with tense,
> making up sentences  in the most complex tenses, such as "He would have
> been
> being ..." I guess that's why I never became a soccer star.
>
> The complex I'm living in now is occupied by approximately 80% people of
> Chinese origin, the majority of whom can speak English barely if at all.
> But
> I can pretty quickly detect whether they speak Cantonese (the majority) or
> Mandarin (maybe 20% max), and in the halls or the elevators I listen for a
> moment and then say either Nihau or JoSan, assuming it's morning, or other
> variants for later in the day (equivalent to the Spanish Buenas Diaz,
> Buenas
> Tardes, Buenas Noches).
>
> A really interesting thing happened recently. My Chinese tutor-couple and I
> meet daily in the rooftop greenhouse, which has tables and chairs and a
> sunroof and loads of plants, and we were doing our lessons, when another
> elderly Mandarin-speaking woman entered to water her plants, and saw us
> learning our lessons. At the time she said nothing, not wanting to
> interrupt; she watered her plants and left. Next morning I entered the
> elevator and there she was, and seeing me she positively beamed with
> pleasure, and said "Your Mandarin is Very Good!" (clearly a flattering lie,
> but one delivered with encouragement and even a thumbs-up).
>
> I think that this is more a statement about the English-speaking
> Torontonians in this neighbourhood than it is about me. I can't yet speak
> anything significant, much less deliver a comment about what I recently
> thought or dreamt or experienced. But it would appear that my meager
> attempts to learn Chinese are met with pleasure and resounding
> encouragement. I am guessing that these people are used to being excluded
> and therefore tend to be insular, and that my attempts to enter their world
> are surprising -- judging by the look on that woman's face when we shared
> an
> elevator and she gave me the Two Thumbs Up.
>
> So I guess this can be considered an experiment to discover whether you can
> teach an old dog a new trick. At the rate we're progressing, I think that
> within a year of daily lessons, I will be able to bargain in Chinatown LOL.
>
> Arthur
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 20 15:38:18 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:38:18 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions
Message-ID: <sab6aef5.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That is probably the setting in the VM for screen size (size of Desktop)

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 20-09-2009 01:26 >>>

.. I cannot remember what I did to create the nice big XP window, but that's how I would like the BitNami XP installation to appear in a window sized similarly.




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 17:08:29 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:08:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PCs
Message-ID: <4ab6a823.0508d00a.20e2.ffff9dcd@mx.google.com>

I have just done a rebuild and  lost a lot of my stuff.

 

Can anybody remember  please, what the URL was for the 4 x virtual PCs that
came with the utility I posted about a month ago.

 

Thanks

 

Max

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 18:32:35 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:32:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00909201253m27293c63y9d1a850ded19aff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909201253m27293c63y9d1a850ded19aff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909201632j508650aah25b8f807c994fb8b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim and Mark for your encouragement in this adventure. As to the RoR
aspect of this thread, I eventually found my way out of the jungle to a
clearing, as it were, and have taken time to pause for a breather. The RoR
paradigm/framework is very interesting, I'm learning. It assumes the
Model/View/Controller setup for everything (i.e. every table and its
children), and also assumes three project-subpaths (development, test and
production). Within that structure lies Migrations, a directory containing
scripts to move the significant aspects of a project from development to
test to production.
I think that experienced developers of any professional app tend to follow
this structure anyway, but it is nice to have the whole tree laid out for
you in a single command.

The part you have to do by hand, not surprisingly, is "create the forms".
That's pretty simple, given all the scaffolding already provided by RoR. A
few lines of HTML and you're there, and the app runs. Since my last post I
have progressed to a classic master-detail form and it was a breeze.

More reports to come.

Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 19:06:32 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:06:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions
In-Reply-To: <sab6aef5.023@cactus.dk>
References: <sab6aef5.023@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909201706t24edc186h285b7db029d39985@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all. I found the magic setting. When creating the VM, I got a couple
of messages saying something like "your NVidia does not support this,
proceed at your peril". I chose to proceed and guess what, my NVidia chip
does support these higher resolutions and thus larger frame sizes. Kewl! As
I write this, I have Windows Server 2008 as the main bootup, plus VMs
consisting of XP+Bitnami Rubystack and XP+Office 2007, and also Ubuntu. I
like this a LOT. In addition, I installed the Guest Additions (available
from the VirtualBox Devices menu -- last item on the menu) and this install
totally liberated the VMs and AM (Actual Machine or base OS, call it what
you wish).
This setup is totally amazing. I confess that I haven't spent much time at
all with Hyper-V and VMWare, but I am sooo satisfied with VirtualBox that I
have no plans to go beyond this. I have two instances of XP and one instance
of Ubuntu Linux all riding atop the base instance of Windows Server 2008 R2,
and I am one happy camper!

Meanwhile, I have some Mandarin to learn and some Mandarin-to-English
lessons to prepare. Compared with English, Mandarin is a world apart. The
concepts of tense and person do not affect the verbs, for example. This
(from the Chinese point of view) is a huge stumbling block, so in my half of
the lessons, I must introduce the concept of tense. This is causing me to
revisit stuff I learned 40+ years ago and can barely recall. I have numerous
cobwebs to dust away, and rediscover the meaning of "past pluperfect" and
the conditional tenses and so on. Wow. It's been Never since I had to
explain these, and it's a stretch for me to reach back into the definitions
and re-activate their meanings and intent.

In sum, I am learning three languages at once. The obvious two are Cantonese
and Mandarin, but I am also (re)learning English. There is an old phrase by
one of the linguistic pioneers, I forget whom, but long before Chomsky,
which says "Don't ask a fish to explain water." By extension, don't ask a
person to explain air. "Without it we would die" is about all that we can
say about it, whether from Fish or Human.

This reminds me of APL. I once worked with a financial wiz whose linguistic
specialty was APL and he even had a special keyboard designed for APL
programmers. I know virtually nothing about APL but was forced into
interpreting some of his code and to patch into his results. APL has
numerous commands that execute matrix-multipication and numerous other
dances upon the numbers. All of it went way over my head. But what I did
notice and admire about the language was its concision. What might have
taken 100 lines of C and 1000 lines of VB.NET or C#.NET or Eiffel etc., took
a single line (albeit incomprehensible to anyone outside the priesthood).

Anything doable in any programming language is by definition translatable to
another language. And therein lies the problem. Anders has addressed this
problem and he is a much smarter man than I. I walk in his shadows, at the
best of times, but in fact I am a few kilometres behind him, to put it most
optimistically.

Now and then, we encounter a Great Mind, and Anders exhibits all the
qualities of this category. I would love to sit in a room with him for an
hour, in the hope that some particles of his genus might enfuse my body and
I might grow from the experience.

A.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That is probably the setting in the VM for screen size (size of Desktop)
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 20-09-2009 01:26 >>>
>
> .. I cannot remember what I did to create the nice big XP window, but
> that's how I would like the BitNami XP installation to appear in a window
> sized similarly.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



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another friendly order entry system).


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Sep 20 19:15:48 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:15:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909201706t24edc186h285b7db029d39985@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sab6aef5.023@cactus.dk>
	<29f585dd0909201706t24edc186h285b7db029d39985@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68AA963F9878464D9ED46EF1C738BB4A@HAL9005>

Air is like sex...it's not important unless you're not getting any.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 5:07 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Questions

Thanks all. I found the magic setting. When creating the VM, I got a couple
of messages saying something like "your NVidia does not support this,
proceed at your peril". I chose to proceed and guess what, my NVidia chip
does support these higher resolutions and thus larger frame sizes. Kewl! As
I write this, I have Windows Server 2008 as the main bootup, plus VMs
consisting of XP+Bitnami Rubystack and XP+Office 2007, and also Ubuntu. I
like this a LOT. In addition, I installed the Guest Additions (available
from the VirtualBox Devices menu -- last item on the menu) and this install
totally liberated the VMs and AM (Actual Machine or base OS, call it what
you wish).
This setup is totally amazing. I confess that I haven't spent much time at
all with Hyper-V and VMWare, but I am sooo satisfied with VirtualBox that I
have no plans to go beyond this. I have two instances of XP and one instance
of Ubuntu Linux all riding atop the base instance of Windows Server 2008 R2,
and I am one happy camper!

Meanwhile, I have some Mandarin to learn and some Mandarin-to-English
lessons to prepare. Compared with English, Mandarin is a world apart. The
concepts of tense and person do not affect the verbs, for example. This
(from the Chinese point of view) is a huge stumbling block, so in my half of
the lessons, I must introduce the concept of tense. This is causing me to
revisit stuff I learned 40+ years ago and can barely recall. I have numerous
cobwebs to dust away, and rediscover the meaning of "past pluperfect" and
the conditional tenses and so on. Wow. It's been Never since I had to
explain these, and it's a stretch for me to reach back into the definitions
and re-activate their meanings and intent.

In sum, I am learning three languages at once. The obvious two are Cantonese
and Mandarin, but I am also (re)learning English. There is an old phrase by
one of the linguistic pioneers, I forget whom, but long before Chomsky,
which says "Don't ask a fish to explain water." By extension, don't ask a
person to explain air. "Without it we would die" is about all that we can
say about it, whether from Fish or Human.

This reminds me of APL. I once worked with a financial wiz whose linguistic
specialty was APL and he even had a special keyboard designed for APL
programmers. I know virtually nothing about APL but was forced into
interpreting some of his code and to patch into his results. APL has
numerous commands that execute matrix-multipication and numerous other
dances upon the numbers. All of it went way over my head. But what I did
notice and admire about the language was its concision. What might have
taken 100 lines of C and 1000 lines of VB.NET or C#.NET or Eiffel etc., took
a single line (albeit incomprehensible to anyone outside the priesthood).

Anything doable in any programming language is by definition translatable to
another language. And therein lies the problem. Anders has addressed this
problem and he is a much smarter man than I. I walk in his shadows, at the
best of times, but in fact I am a few kilometres behind him, to put it most
optimistically.

Now and then, we encounter a Great Mind, and Anders exhibits all the
qualities of this category. I would love to sit in a room with him for an
hour, in the hope that some particles of his genus might enfuse my body and
I might grow from the experience.

A.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That is probably the setting in the VM for screen size (size of 
> Desktop)
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 20-09-2009 01:26 >>>
>
> .. I cannot remember what I did to create the nice big XP window, but 
> that's how I would like the BitNami XP installation to appear in a 
> window sized similarly.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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another friendly order entry system).
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 20 19:54:15 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:54:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909201632j508650aah25b8f807c994fb8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0909180526u10d4eb9fqfda6b6b504f41d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909181544v195e65cdhc7fcec22513125ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909190513q77056bbbnbc1862cff49bb69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4EB94.6020208@earthlink.net>
	<29f585dd0909190855j1fb9ad3dy1a402e72cbf0efaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7fd28d00909201253m27293c63y9d1a850ded19aff1@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909201632j508650aah25b8f807c994fb8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C85B921645B4428D8022EF47C8CB19C0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Send links to your new site. We will be glad to help.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ruby on Rails

Thanks Jim and Mark for your encouragement in this adventure. As to the RoR
aspect of this thread, I eventually found my way out of the jungle to a
clearing, as it were, and have taken time to pause for a breather. The RoR
paradigm/framework is very interesting, I'm learning. It assumes the
Model/View/Controller setup for everything (i.e. every table and its
children), and also assumes three project-subpaths (development, test and
production). Within that structure lies Migrations, a directory containing
scripts to move the significant aspects of a project from development to
test to production.
I think that experienced developers of any professional app tend to follow
this structure anyway, but it is nice to have the whole tree laid out for
you in a single command.

The part you have to do by hand, not surprisingly, is "create the forms".
That's pretty simple, given all the scaffolding already provided by RoR. A
few lines of HTML and you're there, and the app runs. Since my last post I
have progressed to a classic master-detail form and it was a breeze.

More reports to come.

Arthur
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Sep 21 09:35:49 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:35:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
In-Reply-To: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4AB78F45.2090505@torchlake.com>

Max,
Thanks for this link.  It is definitely an interesting option.  I will 
pass it along to my friends and family members, especially the ones who 
have to cart their laptops around - say, from one class to another in 
high school or college.  Thanks again.
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
>  
>
> Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
>
>  
>
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
> <http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
> &tag=nl.e064
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Max
>
>  
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 11:47:00 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:47:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
In-Reply-To: <4AB78F45.2090505@torchlake.com>
References: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>
	<4AB78F45.2090505@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ab7ae4b.1818d00a.2ca9.3290@mx.google.com>

Hi Tina,
I would suggest however, that they set up a new email account just for this
activity thereby retaining the password etc for their normal account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: 21 September 2009 15:36
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.

Max,
Thanks for this link.  It is definitely an interesting option.  I will 
pass it along to my friends and family members, especially the ones who 
have to cart their laptops around - say, from one class to another in 
high school or college.  Thanks again.
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
>  
>
> Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
>
>  
>
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
> <http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
> &tag=nl.e064
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Max
>
>  
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 15:46:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:46:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple Versions of MS Access
Message-ID: <4ab7e662.0a1ad00a.6235.0905@mx.google.com>

 

Peters Software newsletter just received give this link to Allan Browne's
site which is very useful

 

http://allenbrowne.com/bug-17.html

 

My Access 2007 takes 50 seconds to install and load when l move from Access
2003

And vice versa take 15 seconds.

 

Max

 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 21 20:31:44 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:31:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple Versions of MS Access
In-Reply-To: <4ab7e662.0a1ad00a.6235.0905@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab7e662.0a1ad00a.6235.0905@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A7F8C4DE76684D2A879BE89C011AF915@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the info, Max... you must have anticipated my current
predicament.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:46 PM
To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Multiple Versions of MS Access

 

Peters Software newsletter just received give this link to Allan Browne's
site which is very useful

 

http://allenbrowne.com/bug-17.html

 

My Access 2007 takes 50 seconds to install and load when l move from Access
2003

And vice versa take 15 seconds.

 

Max

 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Sep 22 07:53:19 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:53:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
In-Reply-To: <4ab7ae4b.1818d00a.2ca9.3290@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab51c79.0702d00a.5184.1641@mx.google.com>	<4AB78F45.2090505@torchlake.com>
	<4ab7ae4b.1818d00a.2ca9.3290@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8C8BF.6080008@torchlake.com>

Hi Max,
Yes, I agree.
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> I would suggest however, that they set up a new email account just for this
> activity thereby retaining the password etc for their normal account.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:36
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
>
> Max,
> Thanks for this link.  It is definitely an interesting option.  I will 
> pass it along to my friends and family members, especially the ones who 
> have to cart their laptops around - say, from one class to another in 
> high school or college.  Thanks again.
> T
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>   
>>  
>>
>> Interesting alternative to protect your laptop.
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543
>> <http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1543&tag=nl.e064>
>> &tag=nl.e064
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Max
>>
>>  
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 12:16:11 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:16:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista problem with updates
Message-ID: <701F1176300745A8A762E7D6A12147F0@SusanOne>

A Vista system is refusing to update -- Automatic Update is on and it runs, 
but then displays "red security can not update" -- any idea what that means 
and how to fix it?

Susan H. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 23 12:20:36 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:20:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another battle ground
In-Reply-To: <4ab7e662.0a1ad00a.6235.0905@mx.google.com>
References: <4ab7e662.0a1ad00a.6235.0905@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0BAA7FD174CE49BF8A4D183EAC0DFB0F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I wonder how long Microsoft will allow Google to inject its' Chrome frame
into its IE?

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_launches_chrome_frame_internet_e
xplorer_plugin.php

Jim



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Sep 23 12:31:47 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:31:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista problem with updates
In-Reply-To: <701F1176300745A8A762E7D6A12147F0@SusanOne>
References: <701F1176300745A8A762E7D6A12147F0@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A7191BF@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Answer here perhaps?

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/e59ab7b7-546b-4e35-8f6c-43fd7ba5cbd9 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista problem with updates

A Vista system is refusing to update -- Automatic Update is on and it runs, but then displays "red security can not update" -- any idea what that means and how to fix it?

Susan H. 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 12:34:07 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:34:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista problem with updates
In-Reply-To: <701F1176300745A8A762E7D6A12147F0@SusanOne>
References: <701F1176300745A8A762E7D6A12147F0@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4aba5c34.1818d00a.1008.2610@mx.google.com>

Hi Susan,
I would say turn his anti virus and secury oof...disconect from internet and
the run it,

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 23 September 2009 18:16
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vista problem with updates

A Vista system is refusing to update -- Automatic Update is on and it runs, 
but then displays "red security can not update" -- any idea what that means 
and how to fix it?

Susan H. 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Sep 23 18:47:04 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:47:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FileMaker Pro
Message-ID: <45B9B9105F6E445C87AC927D4BECA8EB@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have a potential project with a guy who wants me to create a rather large
application in Filemaker Pro.  He's a Mac guy and so has that orientation.
Filemaker is cross platform and he likes that.

Has anyone had any experience with Filemaker?  Advantages/disadvantage vs.
Access?

MTIA

Rocky

 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 19:02:09 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:02:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
Message-ID: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne>

I use MS Office Professional Edition 2003 -- well, I have 2007 and 2010, but 
I actually use 2003. I know that I've had OneNote installed, because I wrote 
about it when 2003 came out. I don't have it now. During the writing process 
I'm sure I was using a beta and I guess I didn't end up with a version that 
has OneNote.

Can I get OneNote 2003? I've been running circles around Microsoft.com and 
I'll be danged if I can find it. Everything takes me to 2007. I find 
references to 2003, but they all go to upgrades and service pack downloads. 
Best I can tell, OneNote doesn't come with the 2007 suite either -- I only 
found it sold separately, just like batteries.

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Sep 23 21:08:51 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:08:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
In-Reply-To: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne>
References: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <EF9B40F8E08044ABA013C928A37B82C2@HAL9005>

Looks like you can get it pretty cheap on EBay.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:02 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003

I use MS Office Professional Edition 2003 -- well, I have 2007 and 2010, but
I actually use 2003. I know that I've had OneNote installed, because I wrote
about it when 2003 came out. I don't have it now. During the writing process
I'm sure I was using a beta and I guess I didn't end up with a version that
has OneNote.

Can I get OneNote 2003? I've been running circles around Microsoft.com and
I'll be danged if I can find it. Everything takes me to 2007. I find
references to 2003, but they all go to upgrades and service pack downloads. 
Best I can tell, OneNote doesn't come with the 2007 suite either -- I only
found it sold separately, just like batteries.

Susan H. 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 24 05:33:01 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:33:01 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Push Email with ActiveSync
Message-ID: <sabb6711.015@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Have you ever wondered how this works? Being being on line/air without being on-line?

Here's how it works with HTTP and a small trick:

  http://notbrainsurgery.livejournal.com/35306.html 

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 06:46:06 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:46:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
In-Reply-To: <EF9B40F8E08044ABA013C928A37B82C2@HAL9005>
References: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne>
	<EF9B40F8E08044ABA013C928A37B82C2@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909240446x60d7fd69ud48a309fb919a968@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall that  OneNote 2007 is incompatible with 2003 and therefore
the latter is removed when you install 2007. I could be wrong, though. Maybe
that was Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:02 PM
> To: DBA Tech List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
>
> I use MS Office Professional Edition 2003 -- well, I have 2007 and 2010,
> but
> I actually use 2003. I know that I've had OneNote installed, because I
> wrote
> about it when 2003 came out. I don't have it now. During the writing
> process
> I'm sure I was using a beta and I guess I didn't end up with a version that
> has OneNote.
>
> Can I get OneNote 2003? I've been running circles around Microsoft.com and
> I'll be danged if I can find it. Everything takes me to 2007. I find
> references to 2003, but they all go to upgrades and service pack downloads.
> Best I can tell, OneNote doesn't come with the 2007 suite either -- I only
> found it sold separately, just like batteries.
>
> Susan H.
>
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another friendly order entry system).


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 07:24:21 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:24:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
References: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne>
	<EF9B40F8E08044ABA013C928A37B82C2@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <73A3EA0BDCE24077AEED1025DBE1875A@SusanOne>

I don't want to PAY for it! ;) Criminy!!!!

<snicker> 

Susan H. 


> Looks like you can get it pretty cheap on EBay.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 07:27:43 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:27:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote 2003
References: <9E8E85228A88409698976D500FF8326B@SusanOne><EF9B40F8E08044ABA013C928A37B82C2@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0909240446x60d7fd69ud48a309fb919a968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <069DCBEF1C2245C09F21D24B6E1737B7@SusanOne>

I uninstalled 2007 a while back and put it on a different system because 
that installing business was so annoying.

I checked the stats on Microsoft.com and OneNote isn't listed with my 
version. In fact, I can't find it listed with any version of 2003.

Susan H.

>I seem to recall that  OneNote 2007 is incompatible with 2003 and therefore
> the latter is removed when you install 2007. I could be wrong, though. 
> Maybe
> that was Outlook.

>> Can I get OneNote 2003? I've been running circles around Microsoft.com 
>> and
>> I'll be danged if I can find it. Everything takes me to 2007. I find
>> references to 2003, but they all go to upgrades and service pack 
>> downloads.
>> Best I can tell, OneNote doesn't come with the 2007 suite either -- I 
>> only
>> found it sold separately, just like batteries.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 11:00:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:00:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
Message-ID: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>

FYI

VirtualBox is FREE.  Here is the PDF link.

Max


Thank you for your interest in Sun's xVM VirtualBox. Learn more about it in our guide "Optimizing Your Desktop Using Sun xVM VirtualBox" 

http://www.sun.com/offers/docs/xvm_virtualbox_bp.pdf

The following information will help you navigate through our extensive online
resource center:

* VirtualBox downloads, features, FAQ and Community Resources
   http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/
* VirtualBox open source online meeting place
   http://www.virtualbox.org/
* VirtualBox online forums
   http://forums.virtualbox.org/

Thank you again for your interest and we hope you enjoy the world's most popular open source virtualization software! 





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 14:51:38 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:51:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express question on signatures
Message-ID: <117F77F7E1E04B2F8F4D2824FD93E8EE@SusanOne>

I set up signatures for two different accounts. When I click Create to open 
a new email window, it automatically defaults to the default account 
message. When I change that account using the From control's dropdown list, 
OE does NOT update the signature.

I think I get that, the message already exists, but how do you get around 
it? How do I get Create to create a message for an account other than the 
default _before_ I open the email window? What am I missing?

Susan H. 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 15:28:13 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:28:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
References: <Aco9IQy2KXYFYpoySCiHy1/E8qvFJQADuK0Q>
	<4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big fan of VirtualBox. I run it on a AMD 64 with 4GB of RAM and
Windows Server 2008, and it flies. I have VMs devoted to Ubuntu, XP running
Ruby on Rails, and XP running Office 2007 and Office 2003. After installing
the Guest Additions, you get extra capabilities like the ability to resize
the VM screen so you can take advantage of a big monitor or even two of
them. Very nice! And a complete end to the conflicts I was having between
Office 2007 and 2003 side by side (repeatedly having them go into
installation mode after I switched between them, and also References to 11.0
vs. 12.0). All a thing of the past.
Arthur

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI
>
> VirtualBox is FREE.  Here is the PDF link.
>
> Max
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 15:49:18 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:49:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop
	Using	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Aco9IQy2KXYFYpoySCiHy1/E8qvFJQADuK0Q>	<4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>

Wow. Impressive. I am going to install VB this weekend.

Are there any special "precautions" I need take Arthur?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 24 September 2009 21:28
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
VirtualBox

I'm a big fan of VirtualBox. I run it on a AMD 64 with 4GB of RAM and
Windows Server 2008, and it flies. I have VMs devoted to Ubuntu, XP running
Ruby on Rails, and XP running Office 2007 and Office 2003. After installing
the Guest Additions, you get extra capabilities like the ability to resize
the VM screen so you can take advantage of a big monitor or even two of
them. Very nice! And a complete end to the conflicts I was having between
Office 2007 and 2003 side by side (repeatedly having them go into
installation mode after I switched between them, and also References to 11.0
vs. 12.0). All a thing of the past.
Arthur

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI
>
> VirtualBox is FREE.  Here is the PDF link.
>
> Max
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 01:36:40 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:36:40 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Inno Setup 5.3.5 released
Message-ID: <4abc651f.0a04d00a.3da0.7d66@mx.google.com>

Any interest to anybody?

Max

Inno Setup 5.3.5 has been released. Among other things, this version
includes even more support for new Windows 7 features.

Download:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/isdl.php

For the complete list of what's new/changed, see:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/files/is5-whatsnew.htm

The documentation is now also officially available online:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/ishelp/

To directly link to a certain section of the help file use links as:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/ishelp/index.php?topic=iconssection&anchor=AppUser
ModelID

To support the continued development Inno Setup, please consider
donating to the project. See http://www.jrsoftware.org/isdonate.php for
more information. To all those who donated so far, regardless of the
amount, thank you very much! It is greatly appreciated. In addition to
donating directly, you can also support Inno Setup indirectly by using
the products of those who donated, like Scooter Software's Beyond
Compare at http://www.scootersoftware.com/

Finally, if you speak Albanian, please vote on the Albanian candidate
official translation by Besmir Godole:
http://jrsoftware.org/files/istrans/#candidate

Greetings,
Martijn Laan and Jordan Russell
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 06:12:20 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:12:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909250412m5059a487kdfb0876c70217952@mail.gmail.com>

None that I can think of, other than to make sure you've got plenty of space
available to store the VBs. Another consideration is 32- v. 64-bit. My HP
Pavilion a1450n has an AMD duo core and I run Windows Server 64-bit on it. I
kicked it up to 4GB of RAM, and that really helps a lot. You can do fine in
32-bit but you have to stop at 3GB of RAM if you go that way. Also, make
sure that you install the Guest Additions on each VM that you create. (To do
so, on the menu of the VM itself, select Machines, then Install Guest
Additions.) This gives you a bunch of cool features not available otherwise,
such as copy-paste between VMs or the host, ability to expand the VM window
size, etc.)
A.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow. Impressive. I am going to install VB this weekend.
>
> Are there any special "precautions" I need take Arthur?
>
> Max
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 06:16:08 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:16:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909250412m5059a487kdfb0876c70217952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909250412m5059a487kdfb0876c70217952@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>

aaahhh.  Guest Editions sounds good. Thanks for that.
I too have an HP Pavilian, but the slim version.
I saw today that they had discontinued it and I am a bit peeved at
that as I have only had it a couple of months.
max


On 25/09/2009, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> None that I can think of, other than to make sure you've got plenty of space
> available to store the VBs. Another consideration is 32- v. 64-bit. My HP
> Pavilion a1450n has an AMD duo core and I run Windows Server 64-bit on it. I
> kicked it up to 4GB of RAM, and that really helps a lot. You can do fine in
> 32-bit but you have to stop at 3GB of RAM if you go that way. Also, make
> sure that you install the Guest Additions on each VM that you create. (To do
> so, on the menu of the VM itself, select Machines, then Install Guest
> Additions.) This gives you a bunch of cool features not available otherwise,
> such as copy-paste between VMs or the host, ability to expand the VM window
> size, etc.)
> A.
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow. Impressive. I am going to install VB this weekend.
>>
>> Are there any special "precautions" I need take Arthur?
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 25 07:39:34 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:39:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Inno Setup 5.3.5 released
In-Reply-To: <4abc651f.0a04d00a.3da0.7d66@mx.google.com>
References: <4abc651f.0a04d00a.3da0.7d66@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D193D795F2A4A33B6DB088988218E33@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

The Chrome frame IE plugin;
 
(http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_launches_chrome_frame_internet_
explorer_plugin.php)

, not only allows IE8 to take advantage of the extended new web features but
according to benchmarks allows IE8 to run 10 times faster:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138459/IE8_runs_10_times_faster_with
_Google_plug_in

That sort of makes this plug-in a must have plug-in for IE8 browser users as
well as developers.

Jim  



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 09:58:49 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:58:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anybody know a lot about Google calendar
Message-ID: <F3F949534E6D4D46968D57269F1FD32E@SusanOne>

One of the publishers I'm working with requires that I maintain a calendar 
on Goggle. Well, this morning, it asked me if I wanted to convert my 
calendar to EST -- well... duh...yes... I guess. Why would it have been 
anything else?

So, I said yes and everything moved -- all my events are now 5 or 6 hours 
earlier than they should be. So, I set out to fix them. Even though they are 
repeating events, saving the change to one does not update the rest.

This is a real pia... anyone have any idea what I can do? I could delete it 
and start over I guess, but I really shouldn't have to.

Susan H. 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 10:37:49 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:37:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909250412m5059a487kdfb0876c70217952@mail.gmail.com>
	<cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>

Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified
and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS,
whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this
OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots
ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest
level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager,
thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then
create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them,
e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS,
but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love
to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....

Meanwhile, learning Mandarin an hour a day is going very well. Thanks to my
instructors (a married couple who live in the building) I am learning pretty
rapidly, and  improving their English significantly too. They have a program
that is a Mandarin-English dictionary of sorts, but much more. I forgot to
ask for the URL today, but it's a free download and it should help me even
more.

To keep this vaguely on topic, i.e. programming languages, the differences
between languages can be striking. APL for example has language constructs
that are at best extremely difficult to translate into a language such as
C#, VB.NET, etc.: matrix multiplication is expressed with a couple of
characters in APL and numerous lines of code in any of the others
mentioned.

Speaking of which, Dr. Dobbs used to have an annual contest for
C-obfuscation: write a chunk of working C that runs successfully and
delivers the desired result, but is challenging to comprehend. Maybe we
should launch similar contests at DatabaseAvisors.com. Could be fun.

A.


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> aaahhh.  Guest Editions sounds good. Thanks for that.
> I too have an HP Pavilian, but the slim version.
> I saw today that they had discontinued it and I am a bit peeved at
> that as I have only had it a couple of months.
> max
>
>
> On 25/09/2009, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> > None that I can think of, other than to make sure you've got plenty of
> space
> > available to store the VBs. Another consideration is 32- v. 64-bit. My HP
> > Pavilion a1450n has an AMD duo core and I run Windows Server 64-bit on
> it. I
> > kicked it up to 4GB of RAM, and that really helps a lot. You can do fine
> in
> > 32-bit but you have to stop at 3GB of RAM if you go that way. Also, make
> > sure that you install the Guest Additions on each VM that you create. (To
> do
> > so, on the menu of the VM itself, select Machines, then Install Guest
> > Additions.) This gives you a bunch of cool features not available
> otherwise,
> > such as copy-paste between VMs or the host, ability to expand the VM
> window
> > size, etc.)
> > A.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Wow. Impressive. I am going to install VB this weekend.
> >>
> >> Are there any special "precautions" I need take Arthur?
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 11:03:35 2009
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:03:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anybody know a lot about Google calendar
In-Reply-To: <F3F949534E6D4D46968D57269F1FD32E@SusanOne>
References: <F3F949534E6D4D46968D57269F1FD32E@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920909250903o125b6b96g1c932b651935c74e@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if it is set to UTC/GMT initally. That would account for 5-6
hour difference.

Bryan

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> One of the publishers I'm working with requires that I maintain a calendar
> on Goggle. Well, this morning, it asked me if I wanted to convert my
> calendar to EST -- well... duh...yes... I guess. Why would it have been
> anything else?
>
> So, I said yes and everything moved -- all my events are now 5 or 6 hours
> earlier than they should be. So, I set out to fix them. Even though they are
> repeating events, saving the change to one does not update the rest.
>
> This is a real pia... anyone have any idea what I can do? I could delete it
> and start over I guess, but I really shouldn't have to.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Sep 25 13:27:26 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:27:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop
	Using	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909241328n144dafe2t8a14d4a165809afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abbdb75.0707d00a.6ab5.4a73@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909250412m5059a487kdfb0876c70217952@mail.gmail.com>
	<cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A1E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>


 In theory I'd say you are right, but the problem is probably that there has to be some sort of reasonably proficient OS to run the thing on top of as *something* has to provide the underlying services: you know dull stuff like disk access, screen updates, port management etc.

So I guess it boils down to which base OS has smallest footprint: Windows, OS X, Linux, or Solaris which are the major OS platforms that VirtualBox will run on (though there are no guest additions for OS X).


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS, whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager, thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them, e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS, but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 25 13:45:00 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:45:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop	Using
	VirtualBox
Message-ID: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur and Lambert

You are looking for the VMware ESXi Hypervisor:

http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/features.html 

As for MS Virtual PC, it runs on Windows only. However, it is said to "reuse" a lot of the resources of the hosting OS, thus the sum of ram and resources consumed by a host OS plus a guest OS might be lower than that for, say, a Linux OS hosting a VMware guest with Windows OS. 
Thus, if you plan to run a setup with Windows guest OSs only, it might be a good combo having Windows 64-bit running as host OS for a collection of Virtual PCs with various Windows OSs. I having investigated this further, so I have no real life figures. 

/gustav


>>> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com 25-09-2009 20:27 >>>

 In theory I'd say you are right, but the problem is probably that there has to be some sort of reasonably proficient OS to run the thing on top of as *something* has to provide the underlying services: you know dull stuff like disk access, screen updates, port management etc.

So I guess it boils down to which base OS has smallest footprint: Windows, OS X, Linux, or Solaris which are the major OS platforms that VirtualBox will run on (though there are no guest additions for OS X).


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS, whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager, thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them, e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS, but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....





From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Sep 25 14:01:17 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:01:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your
	Desktop	Using	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Thanks for that Gustav.

I wonder, can one 'dual boot' a vmware system. What I mean is can you have a native OS (Say XP) on one partition that boots normally, and be able to optionally boot the VMWare environment instead. That way I could install it on another partition to check it out.

Otherwise I'd need some 'naked hardware' to check it out on.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:45 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Hi Arthur and Lambert

You are looking for the VMware ESXi Hypervisor:

http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/features.html 

As for MS Virtual PC, it runs on Windows only. However, it is said to "reuse" a lot of the resources of the hosting OS, thus the sum of ram and resources consumed by a host OS plus a guest OS might be lower than that for, say, a Linux OS hosting a VMware guest with Windows OS. 
Thus, if you plan to run a setup with Windows guest OSs only, it might be a good combo having Windows 64-bit running as host OS for a collection of Virtual PCs with various Windows OSs. I having investigated this further, so I have no real life figures. 

/gustav


>>> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com 25-09-2009 20:27 >>>

 In theory I'd say you are right, but the problem is probably that there has to be some sort of reasonably proficient OS to run the thing on top of as *something* has to provide the underlying services: you know dull stuff like disk access, screen updates, port management etc.

So I guess it boils down to which base OS has smallest footprint: Windows, OS X, Linux, or Solaris which are the major OS platforms that VirtualBox will run on (though there are no guest additions for OS X).


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS, whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager, thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them, e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS, but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 25 16:16:21 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:16:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
	VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>,
	<cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD3325.20915.2CF34287@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

VirtualBox , VirtualPC etc are Type 2 Hypervisors
If you want a Type 1, it is going to cost you.

Straight steal from Wikipedia:

Hypervisors are classified in two types:[1]

    * Type 1 (or native, bare-metal) hypervisors are software systems that run directly on the 
host's hardware as a hardware control and guest operating system monitor. A guest 
operating system thus runs on another level above the hypervisor.

    This is the classic implementation of virtual machine architectures; the original hypervisor 
was CP/CMS, developed at IBM in the 1960s, ancestor of IBM's current z/VM.

    More recent examples are VMware ESX Server, LynxSecure from LynuxWorks, L4 
microkernels including OKL4 from Open Kernel Labs, Real-Time Systems RTS-Hypervisor, 
VirtualLogix VLX, TRANGO (now VMware MVP), IBM POWER Hypervisor (PowerVM), IBM 
System z Hypervisor (PR/SM), Microsoft Hyper-V (released in June 2008), Xen, Citrix 
XenServer, Oracle VM Server, Parallels Server (released in 2008), ScaleMP vSMP 
Foundation (released in 2005) , Sun's Logical Domains Hypervisor (released in 2005), Wind 
River's hypervisor and VxWorks MILS Platform, XtratuM.
...
    * Type 2 (or hosted) hypervisors are software applications running within a conventional 
operating system environment. Considering the hypervisor layer being a distinct software 
layer, guest operating systems thus run at the third level above the hardware.

    Examples include VMware Server (formerly known as GSX), VMware Workstation, 
VMware Fusion, the open source QEMU, Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server 
products, Sun's (formerly InnoTek) VirtualBox, KUKA's [RTOSWin] [1] product family as 
well as Parallels Workstation and Parallels Desktop and TenAsys' eVM. 


-- 
Stuart

On 25 Sep 2009 at 11:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified
> and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS,
> whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this
> OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots
> ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest
> level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager,
> thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then
> create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them,
> e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
> This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS,
> but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love
> to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 25 16:20:46 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:20:46 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome IE Plugin - was Inno Setup 5.3.5 released
In-Reply-To: <8D193D795F2A4A33B6DB088988218E33@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4abc651f.0a04d00a.3da0.7d66@mx.google.com>,
	<8D193D795F2A4A33B6DB088988218E33@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4ABD342E.25175.2CF74FA1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Must have unless you believe MS.  See below

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Sep 2009 at 5:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> That sort of makes this plug-in a must have plug-in for IE8 browser users as
> well as developers.

Article as follows:

Browser security vs. competition ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------

25.09.2009 12:32

Microsoft warns of Google's Chrome plug-in

For security reasons, Microsoft has advised against installing Google's
Chrome Frame[1], a plug-in that allows Chrome's rendering engine to be
used inside of Internet Explorer.  In an interview, a Microsoft
spokesperson told US news site Ars Technica[2] that, "With Internet
Explorer 8, we made significant advancements and updates to make the
browser safer for our customers". The spokesperson said, "Given the
security issues with plug-ins in general and Google Chrome in particular,
Google Chrome Frame running as a plug-in has doubled the attach area for
malware and malicious scripts", referring to such phishing and malware
studies like those[3] by NSS Labs[4] which say that Internet Explorer is
the most secure browser.

Microsoft's statement has already triggered some controversial
responses. For instance, the Ars Technica article points out that
Chrome was the only browser left standing after day one of the Pwn2own
security competition[5] - unlike Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer.
For the obsolete Internet Explorer 6 and IE7, which are considered unsafe
and are also suitable for Chrome Frame, the plug-in is even likely to
improve security levels.

According to Google, Chrome Frame was developed because the Microsoft
browser lacks HTML5 capabilities.  In a post[6] on the Google Wave
Developer Blog, Google Wave developer Lars Rasmussen said that,
particularly when working on Google Wave, developers noticed that Internet
Explorer has not kept up with recent developments in web technology.  Its
JavaScript performance is also far too slow, he said. Participants in the
extended beta testing of Wave that starts next week will need to switch to
Chrome, Safari or Firefox, or install Chrome Frame. According to the blog,
Google is releasing the plug-in so that the Google Wave team no longer has
to spend many hours adapting Wave for Internet Explorer and in future can
focus on improving Wave for all users.

Some observers suspect[7] that the real reason for Microsoft's warning is
that the software giant intends to protect its own Internet Explorer
platform from third party influence - and weaken its much-noticed
competitor, Wave[8], in the process. Incidentally, the IE Tab[9] Internet
Explorer add-on for Firefox has existed for years - without causing
anybody in the Mozilla community any major problems.

(crve[10])

This features's URL: 
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/114325

Links in this feature:
  [1]
  http://www.h-online.com/open/Google-launches-Chrome-Frame-for-IE--/news/
  114305 [2]
  http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-google-chrome-fr
  ame-makes-ie-less-secure.ars [3]
  http://blogs.msdn.com/architecture/archive/2009/08/13/internet-explorer-
  8-rated-tops-against-malware-and-phishing-attacks.aspx [4]
  http://nsslabs.com [5]
  http://www.h-online.com/security/Pwn2Own-2009-ends-Smartphones-Chrome-un
  broken--/news/112907 [6]
  http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-wave-in-internet-explor
  er.html [7]
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/24/google_chrome_frame_kerfuffle/
  [8]
  http://www.h-online.com/open/Google-Wave-The-instant-wiki-communicator--
  /news/113410 [9] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419
  [10] mailto:crve at h-online.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright 2009 Heise Zeitschriften Verlag


Stuart McLachlan



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 25 16:22:52 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:22:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing
	Your	Desktop	Using	VirtualBox
Message-ID: <sabd50e9.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

I don't think so. The ESXi is extremely tight and is intended for nothing else than serving the VMware environment. Note too, that it runs on certified hardware only which mainly is newer brand named servers:

http://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php

/gustav

>>> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com 25-09-2009 21:01 >>>
Thanks for that Gustav.

I wonder, can one 'dual boot' a vmware system. What I mean is can you have a native OS (Say XP) on one partition that boots normally, and be able to optionally boot the VMWare environment instead. That way I could install it on another partition to check it out.

Otherwise I'd need some 'naked hardware' to check it out on.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:45 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Hi Arthur and Lambert

You are looking for the VMware ESXi Hypervisor:

http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/features.html 

As for MS Virtual PC, it runs on Windows only. However, it is said to "reuse" a lot of the resources of the hosting OS, thus the sum of ram and resources consumed by a host OS plus a guest OS might be lower than that for, say, a Linux OS hosting a VMware guest with Windows OS. 
Thus, if you plan to run a setup with Windows guest OSs only, it might be a good combo having Windows 64-bit running as host OS for a collection of Virtual PCs with various Windows OSs. I having investigated this further, so I have no real life figures. 

/gustav


>>> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com 25-09-2009 20:27 >>>

 In theory I'd say you are right, but the problem is probably that there has to be some sort of reasonably proficient OS to run the thing on top of as *something* has to provide the underlying services: you know dull stuff like disk access, screen updates, port management etc.

So I guess it boils down to which base OS has smallest footprint: Windows, OS X, Linux, or Solaris which are the major OS platforms that VirtualBox will run on (though there are no guest additions for OS X).


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using VirtualBox

Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS, whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager, thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them, e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS, but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 25 16:27:36 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:27:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop	Using
	VirtualBox
Message-ID: <sabd51f7.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

A little update of this is needed as the VMware ESXi is free to download and use.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 25-09-2009 23:16 >>>
VirtualBox , VirtualPC etc are Type 2 Hypervisors
If you want a Type 1, it is going to cost you.

Straight steal from Wikipedia:

Hypervisors are classified in two types:[1]

    * Type 1 (or native, bare-metal) hypervisors are software systems that run directly on the 
host's hardware as a hardware control and guest operating system monitor. A guest 
operating system thus runs on another level above the hypervisor.

    This is the classic implementation of virtual machine architectures; the original hypervisor 
was CP/CMS, developed at IBM in the 1960s, ancestor of IBM's current z/VM.

    More recent examples are VMware ESX Server, LynxSecure from LynuxWorks, L4 
microkernels including OKL4 from Open Kernel Labs, Real-Time Systems RTS-Hypervisor, 
VirtualLogix VLX, TRANGO (now VMware MVP), IBM POWER Hypervisor (PowerVM), IBM 
System z Hypervisor (PR/SM), Microsoft Hyper-V (released in June 2008), Xen, Citrix 
XenServer, Oracle VM Server, Parallels Server (released in 2008), ScaleMP vSMP 
Foundation (released in 2005) , Sun's Logical Domains Hypervisor (released in 2005), Wind 
River's hypervisor and VxWorks MILS Platform, XtratuM.
...
    * Type 2 (or hosted) hypervisors are software applications running within a conventional 
operating system environment. Considering the hypervisor layer being a distinct software 
layer, guest operating systems thus run at the third level above the hardware.

    Examples include VMware Server (formerly known as GSX), VMware Workstation, 
VMware Fusion, the open source QEMU, Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server 
products, Sun's (formerly InnoTek) VirtualBox, KUKA's [RTOSWin] [1] product family as 
well as Parallels Workstation and Parallels Desktop and TenAsys' eVM. 


-- 
Stuart

On 25 Sep 2009 at 11:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Although I have made everything work satisfactorily, I still am mystified
> and concerned that things are inverted. It seems that I must run a basic OS,
> whether Ubuntu or XP or Windows Server, and then run VirtualBox inside this
> OS. This seems to be fundamentally backwards: the first thing that boots
> ought to be a minimal OS + VirtualBox or any similar VM manager: the lowest
> level ought to be just that -- no applications at all, save the VM manager,
> thus preserving the max RAM for the VMs. Given such a layout, I could then
> create a dozen VMs and stuff only the apps of interest into each of them,
> e.g. Vista in one, XP in another, Ubuntu in another, etc.
> This is pretty much what I do anyway, despite the overhead of the first OS,
> but I currently live with it (and also with my impecuniousness -- would love
> to cram 8GB in this sucker!). Ah well, another day....




From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 25 16:55:29 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:55:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop Using
 VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <4ABD3325.20915.2CF34287@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4abb97b4.0a04d00a.4f02.4c1d@mx.google.com>,
	<cda8f54e0909250416w246c1d80n5ca4b061ab7a8b4d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<29f585dd0909250837p44e2c549p728dc5b5c5d539fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ABD3325.20915.2CF34287@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4ABD3C51.2000100@earthlink.net>

So to minimise resource usage by the host of VirtualBox, why not use a 
small Linux OS rather than Windows?

PB

-----

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> VirtualBox , VirtualPC etc are Type 2 Hypervisors
> If you want a Type 1, it is going to cost you.
>
> Straight steal from Wikipedia:
>
> Hypervisors are classified in two types:[1]
>
>     * Type 1 (or native, bare-metal) hypervisors are software systems that run directly on the 
> host's hardware as a hardware control and guest operating system monitor. A guest 
> operating system thus runs on another level above the hypervisor.
>
>     This is the classic implementation of virtual machine architectures; the original hypervisor 
> was CP/CMS, developed at IBM in the 1960s, ancestor of IBM's current z/VM.
>
>     More recent examples are VMware ESX Server, LynxSecure from LynuxWorks, L4 
> microkernels including OKL4 from Open Kernel Labs, Real-Time Systems RTS-Hypervisor, 
> VirtualLogix VLX, TRANGO (now VMware MVP), IBM POWER Hypervisor (PowerVM), IBM 
> System z Hypervisor (PR/SM), Microsoft Hyper-V (released in June 2008), Xen, Citrix 
> XenServer, Oracle VM Server, Parallels Server (released in 2008), ScaleMP vSMP 
> Foundation (released in 2005) , Sun's Logical Domains Hypervisor (released in 2005), Wind 
> River's hypervisor and VxWorks MILS Platform, XtratuM.
> ...
>     * Type 2 (or hosted) hypervisors are software applications running within a conventional 
> operating system environment. Considering the hypervisor layer being a distinct software 
> layer, guest operating systems thus run at the third level above the hardware.
>
>     Examples include VMware Server (formerly known as GSX), VMware Workstation, 
> VMware Fusion, the open source QEMU, Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server 
> products, Sun's (formerly InnoTek) VirtualBox, KUKA's [RTOSWin] [1] product family as 
> well as Parallels Workstation and Parallels Desktop and TenAsys' eVM. 
>
>
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date: 09/25/09 05:51:00
>
>   


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 25 17:04:02 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:04:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop	Using
	VirtualBox
Message-ID: <sabd5a89.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Peter

That is in fact what the ESX is. But for VMware only ...
I don't know for sure, but I would expect VirtualBox to run in a slim Solaris environment.

/gustav


>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 25-09-2009 23:55 >>>
So to minimise resource usage by the host of VirtualBox, why not use a small Linux OS rather than Windows?

PB





From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 25 17:15:04 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:15:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Your Blueprint: Optimizing Your Desktop	Using
 VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <sabd5a89.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sabd5a89.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4ABD40E8.5080209@earthlink.net>

Gustav,

Thanks.

PB

-----

Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> That is in fact what the ESX is. But for VMware only ...
> I don't know for sure, but I would expect VirtualBox to run in a slim Solaris environment.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>   
>>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 25-09-2009 23:55 >>>
>>>>         
> So to minimise resource usage by the host of VirtualBox, why not use a small Linux OS rather than Windows?
>
> PB
>
>
>
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>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 18:14:55 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:14:55 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anybody know a lot about Google calendar
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920909250903o125b6b96g1c932b651935c74e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F3F949534E6D4D46968D57269F1FD32E@SusanOne>
	<e04a6c920909250903o125b6b96g1c932b651935c74e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00909251614r71efe7bflc1580bff77c9ca77@mail.gmail.com>

I just cannot understand why the whole world does not just use GMT and make
it easy on us all ;)
--
Mark in Ireland


2009/9/25 Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>

> I wonder if it is set to UTC/GMT initally. That would account for 5-6
> hour difference.
>
> Bryan
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > One of the publishers I'm working with requires that I maintain a
> calendar
> > on Goggle. Well, this morning, it asked me if I wanted to convert my
> > calendar to EST -- well... duh...yes... I guess. Why would it have been
> > anything else?
> >
> > So, I said yes and everything moved -- all my events are now 5 or 6 hours
> > earlier than they should be. So, I set out to fix them. Even though they
> are
> > repeating events, saving the change to one does not update the rest.
> >
> > This is a real pia... anyone have any idea what I can do? I could delete
> it
> > and start over I guess, but I really shouldn't have to.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 22:11:03 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:11:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome IE Plugin - was Inno Setup 5.3.5 released
In-Reply-To: <4ABD342E.25175.2CF74FA1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4abc651f.0a04d00a.3da0.7d66@mx.google.com>
	<8D193D795F2A4A33B6DB088988218E33@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ABD342E.25175.2CF74FA1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909252011i2552151bmda17c338b59f5629@mail.gmail.com>

As for me, I abandoned IE long ago, when FireFox was released. Then I
abandoned FireFox for Chrome. I love Chrome. I don't give two sh*ts about IE
or the Chrome plug-in. at the moment I'm totally dedicated to Chrome.
A.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Must have unless you believe MS.  See below
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 07:36:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:36:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 08:49:08 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:49:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for this, Max. I'll download CloneZilla and give it a whirl.
A.


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 10:09:14 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:09:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>

Everything I have tried on my Drive c: so far has worked without any effect
of running Clonezilla, Arthur.

If you get a change to restore from it, I would appreciate knowing the
outcome.

Thanks a lot.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 26 September 2009 14:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Thanks for this, Max. I'll download CloneZilla and give it a whirl.
A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 10:34:04 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:34:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909260834v6d8b6b66saa07899cb05fca2c@mail.gmail.com>

I hope that I don't have need to restore it, Max LOL. But in the interests
of national security, I suppose that I'd best check it out.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Everything I have tried on my Drive c: so far has worked without any effect
> of running Clonezilla, Arthur.
>
> If you get a change to restore from it, I would appreciate knowing the
> outcome.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Max
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 10:40:58 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:40:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909260834v6d8b6b66saa07899cb05fca2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>	<29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>	<4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260834v6d8b6b66saa07899cb05fca2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe361d.1c05d00a.5535.0f4a@mx.google.com>

Good man, yourself.

Don't forget to make some changes to the C: drive BEFORE restoring so that
we can see if it did restore correctly. Ha!

Arthur, will Clonezilla be able to backup one of the Virtuals.  Probably
not, as the virtual wont be mounted when you boot from the DVD.  Whadda
think?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

I hope that I don't have need to restore it, Max LOL. But in the interests
of national security, I suppose that I'd best check it out.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Everything I have tried on my Drive c: so far has worked without any
effect
> of running Clonezilla, Arthur.
>
> If you get a change to restore from it, I would appreciate knowing the
> outcome.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Max
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 10:48:25 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:48:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe361d.1c05d00a.5535.0f4a@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260834v6d8b6b66saa07899cb05fca2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4abe361d.1c05d00a.5535.0f4a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0909260848i127368fcla933562098f815eb@mail.gmail.com>

I am speaking totally out of ignorance here, Max, but my WAG would be:
a) if the VMs are on c:\ then they might be backed up automagically;
b) if CloneZilla is installed on each VM, no problem, but it would require
manual initiation.

Once I've installed it on the main OS, I shall try choice b and report what
happens.
A.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good man, yourself.
>
> Don't forget to make some changes to the C: drive BEFORE restoring so that
> we can see if it did restore correctly. Ha!
>
> Arthur, will Clonezilla be able to backup one of the Virtuals.  Probably
> not, as the virtual wont be mounted when you boot from the DVD.  Whadda
> think?
>
> Max
>
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 10:56:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:56:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909260848i127368fcla933562098f815eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>	<29f585dd0909260649o2bdcb5fo29f67dd7e7476b7d@mail.gmail.com>	<4abe2eae.1c05d00a.23c5.4aa0@mx.google.com>	<29f585dd0909260834v6d8b6b66saa07899cb05fca2c@mail.gmail.com>	<4abe361d.1c05d00a.5535.0f4a@mx.google.com>
	<29f585dd0909260848i127368fcla933562098f815eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4abe39c3.0702d00a.0b5c.1e77@mx.google.com>

Yes, a) will backup everything on c:, but what I meant was b). If we just
wanted to create an image for each virtual we had installed, independent of
C:\ or any other virtual, could we do that?  

If we could, that would be cool, but I somehow *think* we are not going to
be able to do that and have to revert to a) to do it, and that is a slow
job.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

I am speaking totally out of ignorance here, Max, but my WAG would be:
a) if the VMs are on c:\ then they might be backed up automagically;
b) if CloneZilla is installed on each VM, no problem, but it would require
manual initiation.

Once I've installed it on the main OS, I shall try choice b and report what
happens.
A.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good man, yourself.
>
> Don't forget to make some changes to the C: drive BEFORE restoring so that
> we can see if it did restore correctly. Ha!
>
> Arthur, will Clonezilla be able to backup one of the Virtuals.  Probably
> not, as the virtual wont be mounted when you boot from the DVD.  Whadda
> think?
>
> Max
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 26 10:56:53 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:56:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 11:01:56 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:01:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>

THAT is a very good question.

The only way to find out is to get a sacrificial PC, image it, destroy the
boot sector electronically (not physically, of course) and then boot from
Clinezilla, restore the image and try it.

Go on, you know you want to know - we all do!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 26 11:13:26 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:13:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <77743CA3C0324924A867FF880A393BA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Max:

Just bumped it the Utube video on the product:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WGSMHWV73s

...Or get a brand new drive, that has not been formatted yet and re-image
over it. If the new drive boots...perfect.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

THAT is a very good question.

The only way to find out is to get a sacrificial PC, image it, destroy the
boot sector electronically (not physically, of course) and then boot from
Clinezilla, restore the image and try it.

Go on, you know you want to know - we all do!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 11:30:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:30:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <77743CA3C0324924A867FF880A393BA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>	<8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>
	<77743CA3C0324924A867FF880A393BA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4abe41c0.1c05d00a.23c5.7319@mx.google.com>

That sort of defeats the object. What I want to create periodic images when
I get to certain points knowing that I would be happy to restore to that
point (A bit like the native Restore Point).  I don't want to swap disks,
or, hang on, maybe I do.  If I were to buy a smaller disk and then image
onto that and then boot from it, I can then rerun clonezilla to do another
image onto my large (main) disk which is now corrupt.

Hmm, yeah, that might work...long way round though. I cant view the video
because my connection is too slow.

What would be the implication with MS?  I understand that part of the
Key-Installation is to take a snapshot of the system and the create havoc if
you change something like a hard drive?

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 17:13
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi Max:

Just bumped it the Utube video on the product:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WGSMHWV73s

...Or get a brand new drive, that has not been formatted yet and re-image
over it. If the new drive boots...perfect.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

THAT is a very good question.

The only way to find out is to get a sacrificial PC, image it, destroy the
boot sector electronically (not physically, of course) and then boot from
Clinezilla, restore the image and try it.

Go on, you know you want to know - we all do!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 26 12:09:15 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:09:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe41c0.1c05d00a.23c5.7319@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
	<8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>
	<77743CA3C0324924A867FF880A393BA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4abe41c0.1c05d00a.23c5.7319@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <084F32BC63DF41D994A9E7175381D823@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I was only meantioning it because most of my recent client and personal
upgardes have been because one or more of their drives has simply ran out of
room. 

Aside: I deal with a number of imaging clients; photoshop, XSI, Illustrator,
photgraphs etc. and they can use drive space up at unbelievable speeds. One
client filled a new 300GB drive in 2 weeks on one project! (They now have
4TB worth of space. 4 x 500GB plus 2 x 1TB and I hope the power supply holds
out.) 

Just ran across this open-source package that might another interesting
product along the line of Clonezilla.

It called FOG. It is open source and also clones all distros Linux, Windows
and Mac, has a GUI and can be used as an enterprise solution on your
business or home network.

http://www.fogproject.org

There is also a comparative conversation, long on conversation and short on
details, giving a comparison of FOG and Clonezella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIHN_ublWJ4

(I really hate the prattling... get to meat... but it does give some broad
point reviews.) 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:30 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sort of defeats the object. What I want to create periodic images when
I get to certain points knowing that I would be happy to restore to that
point (A bit like the native Restore Point).  I don't want to swap disks,
or, hang on, maybe I do.  If I were to buy a smaller disk and then image
onto that and then boot from it, I can then rerun clonezilla to do another
image onto my large (main) disk which is now corrupt.

Hmm, yeah, that might work...long way round though. I cant view the video
because my connection is too slow.

What would be the implication with MS?  I understand that part of the
Key-Installation is to take a snapshot of the system and the create havoc if
you change something like a hard drive?

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 17:13
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi Max:

Just bumped it the Utube video on the product:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WGSMHWV73s

...Or get a brand new drive, that has not been formatted yet and re-image
over it. If the new drive boots...perfect.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

THAT is a very good question.

The only way to find out is to get a sacrificial PC, image it, destroy the
boot sector electronically (not physically, of course) and then boot from
Clinezilla, restore the image and try it.

Go on, you know you want to know - we all do!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 12:19:04 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:19:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <084F32BC63DF41D994A9E7175381D823@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>	<8E4E0A9E25C5432D83923414817EE31E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4abe3b06.1c05d00a.713b.ffffa542@mx.google.com>	<77743CA3C0324924A867FF880A393BA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4abe41c0.1c05d00a.23c5.7319@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Jim,
Don't forget that Clonezilla has a CloneServer option (name may be wrong)
which runs on a server..check it out.

With regard to your megabuck client, it sounds to me as if they are create
backups at every stop and never go back and wipe them out as they proceed.
IOW, I don't believe they have a 300Gb file.  Am I wrong?

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 18:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

I was only meantioning it because most of my recent client and personal
upgardes have been because one or more of their drives has simply ran out of
room. 

Aside: I deal with a number of imaging clients; photoshop, XSI, Illustrator,
photgraphs etc. and they can use drive space up at unbelievable speeds. One
client filled a new 300GB drive in 2 weeks on one project! (They now have
4TB worth of space. 4 x 500GB plus 2 x 1TB and I hope the power supply holds
out.) 

Just ran across this open-source package that might another interesting
product along the line of Clonezilla.

It called FOG. It is open source and also clones all distros Linux, Windows
and Mac, has a GUI and can be used as an enterprise solution on your
business or home network.

http://www.fogproject.org

There is also a comparative conversation, long on conversation and short on
details, giving a comparison of FOG and Clonezella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIHN_ublWJ4

(I really hate the prattling... get to meat... but it does give some broad
point reviews.) 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:30 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sort of defeats the object. What I want to create periodic images when
I get to certain points knowing that I would be happy to restore to that
point (A bit like the native Restore Point).  I don't want to swap disks,
or, hang on, maybe I do.  If I were to buy a smaller disk and then image
onto that and then boot from it, I can then rerun clonezilla to do another
image onto my large (main) disk which is now corrupt.

Hmm, yeah, that might work...long way round though. I cant view the video
because my connection is too slow.

What would be the implication with MS?  I understand that part of the
Key-Installation is to take a snapshot of the system and the create havoc if
you change something like a hard drive?

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 17:13
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi Max:

Just bumped it the Utube video on the product:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WGSMHWV73s

...Or get a brand new drive, that has not been formatted yet and re-image
over it. If the new drive boots...perfect.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

THAT is a very good question.

The only way to find out is to get a sacrificial PC, image it, destroy the
boot sector electronically (not physically, of course) and then boot from
Clinezilla, restore the image and try it.

Go on, you know you want to know - we all do!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

That sounds excellent Max. I have never used Clonezilla before but now you
have saved me the trouble. My only question would be; If the boot drive
fails will the restored drive boot? In otherwards, does it restore the boot
sectors?

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Hi, I pass this info on for anybody who is thinking about creating a system
image.

I have just had to rebuild my HP Pavilion and then installed all the
software etc,  followed by all the updates, etc.  Took absolutely hours and
hours.

I then  wanted to take a snapshot image of my Drive C: so that if it happens
again, I can just restore the image.

The software I used was Clonezilla which is FREE opensource software.

It took about 4 hours to copy 582 Gb disk with 124 Gb used.  The image
created on my USB Seagate 1.5Tb HD was 82 Gb.  I believe Clonezilla only
copies sectors physically used.

Warning: there is no lovely GUI interface. You create a CD  from an image
and then change you bios setting to ensure you boot from the CD.

At various times it will ask you for information, in particular which drive
you want backing up and which drive you are backing up to.  Make sure you
GET THIS right and read the screen slowly and carefully.

I haven't got the patience to spend another 4 hours to test the restore, but
to do so, you boot from the CD again and then select the option to Restore
instead of Create image.

It was painless and appeared to have gone through without a hitch.  My
system is a 64bit OS running Windows Vista Home Premium and the Clonezilla
was the 32bit program.  Don't be frightened about the use of exe with the
words linux in the  title, it works just fine on windows.

It also creates a text file with the parameters to run it again - don't know
where it put it though!!  Hope I can find it, because then I can rerun this
from a batch file overnight at regular intervals.

Next job it to make sure everything loads and runs ok and then to install
the VirtualBox stuff.

Max


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Sep 28 08:09:53 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:09:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla
In-Reply-To: <4abe361d.1c05d00a.5535.0f4a@mx.google.com>
References: <sabd2bd8.065@cactus.dk>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452A33@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4abe0ae2.1c07d00a.7bfb.25e6@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452ACF@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I use Drive Image XML for the same purpose.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

It take about an hour for it to make a compressed image of my 50Gig Windows XP partition, and you can make the image on a live running system (it does shadow copies). Restoration is just as fast, or a bit faster. I do the restoration using a BartPE boot disk.

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

As for backing up virtual disk images. I can only speak about virtual box. The manual expressly says not to use a simple copy process, and the system has a cloning process that should be used instead. Something to do with identifying the image volume correctly if I recall.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:41 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

Good man, yourself.

Don't forget to make some changes to the C: drive BEFORE restoring so that we can see if it did restore correctly. Ha!

Arthur, will Clonezilla be able to backup one of the Virtuals.  Probably not, as the virtual wont be mounted when you boot from the DVD.  Whadda think?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 26 September 2009 16:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Create System Image using Clonezilla

I hope that I don't have need to restore it, Max LOL. But in the interests of national security, I suppose that I'd best check it out.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Everything I have tried on my Drive c: so far has worked without any
effect
> of running Clonezilla, Arthur.
>
> If you get a change to restore from it, I would appreciate knowing the 
> outcome.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Max
>
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Sep 28 17:20:58 2009
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:20:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome IE Plugin - was Inno Setup 5.3.5 released
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0909252011i2552151bmda17c338b59f5629@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP168E2B123B20871790C511D2D60@phx.gbl>

Well, I like Chrome, but certainly not exclusively.  Two killer points for me, even on Chrome 3:  some web sites (or
parts of) just don't work properly with it;  and there's *still* no Print Preview.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 26 September 2009 04:11
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chrome IE Plugin - was Inno Setup 5.3.5 released


As for me, I abandoned IE long ago, when FireFox was released. Then I abandoned FireFox for Chrome. I love Chrome. I
don't give two sh*ts about IE or the Chrome plug-in. at the moment I'm totally dedicated to Chrome. A.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Must have unless you believe MS.  See below
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Sep 29 14:02:18 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:02:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mounting Windows File Systems
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23452DC2@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Does anyone have any information on how to mount a windows file system from a Unix system?

Lambert


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 30 03:13:18 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:13:18 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
Message-ID: <sac32f49.066@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small
servers?

Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about
$0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using
200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding.

Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out
any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features
or services.

One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less
power.

However, that is not enough. Other ideas are:

1. Move services to "the cloud". 
This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but
introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed
bandwidth of internet connections.

2. Introduce standby methods for servers.
Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the
OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while
keeping it responsive?

3. Introduce shut-down of servers.
If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity.
Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most
machines are capable of.

4. Move server OS to laptops. 
Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible
and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to
use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in
emergency power supply (the battery).

If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical
experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn.

/gustav



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Sep 30 03:20:04 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:20:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
In-Reply-To: <sac32f49.066@cactus.dk>
References: <sac32f49.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207861F4DF8@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Hi Gustav

I've not done anything with servers, but I did implement this: http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=power_mgt.pr_power_mgt_ez_gpo

It's a group policy add-in that'll tell all your computers when to activate the screensavers, go into standby and/or when to hibernate. It's worked really well here, and it gives you a spreadsheet where you can work out your annual power savings. We're looking at saving around $70,000 a year just at this site.

We have also started using VMWare and Terminal servers to cut down on the amount of physical servers in the comms rack. One big meaty VMWare server can host several smaller servers that don't need the muscle (print server etc), and means it doesn't have the power consumption issues.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:13 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi all

Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small servers?

Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about
$0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using 200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding.

Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features or services.

One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less power.

However, that is not enough. Other ideas are:

1. Move services to "the cloud".
This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed bandwidth of internet connections.

2. Introduce standby methods for servers.
Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while keeping it responsive?

3. Introduce shut-down of servers.
If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity.
Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most machines are capable of.

4. Move server OS to laptops.
Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in emergency power supply (the battery).

If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn.

/gustav

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 30 03:47:52 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:47:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
Message-ID: <sac33762.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

Thanks, that tools look nice. However, it seems aimed at workstations.
Have you used it for servers?

And right, consolidating of physical servers should be on the list as
well. For us, we already use VMware where we can. Highly recommended.

/gustav


>>> jon.tydda at lonza.com 30-09-2009 10:20:04 >>>
Hi Gustav

I've not done anything with servers, but I did implement this:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=power_mgt.pr_power_mgt_ez_gpo 

It's a group policy add-in that'll tell all your computers when to
activate the screensavers, go into standby and/or when to hibernate.
It's worked really well here, and it gives you a spreadsheet where you
can work out your annual power savings. We're looking at saving around
$70,000 a year just at this site.

We have also started using VMWare and Terminal servers to cut down on
the amount of physical servers in the comms rack. One big meaty VMWare
server can host several smaller servers that don't need the muscle
(print server etc), and means it doesn't have the power consumption
issues.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:13 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi all

Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small
servers?

Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about
$0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using
200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding.

Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out
any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features
or services.

One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less
power.

However, that is not enough. Other ideas are:

1. Move services to "the cloud".
This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but
introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed
bandwidth of internet connections.

2. Introduce standby methods for servers.
Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the
OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while
keeping it responsive?

3. Introduce shut-down of servers.
If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity.
Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most
machines are capable of.

4. Move server OS to laptops.
Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible
and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to
use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in
emergency power supply (the battery).

If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical
experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn.

/gustav


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Sep 30 03:49:59 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:49:59 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
In-Reply-To: <sac33762.071@cactus.dk>
References: <sac33762.071@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207861F4E48@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

No, we don't use it on servers. I get shouted at when I even suggest it :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:48 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi Jon

Thanks, that tools look nice. However, it seems aimed at workstations.
Have you used it for servers?

And right, consolidating of physical servers should be on the list as well. For us, we already use VMware where we can. Highly recommended.

/gustav


>>> jon.tydda at lonza.com 30-09-2009 10:20:04 >>>
Hi Gustav

I've not done anything with servers, but I did implement this:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=power_mgt.pr_power_mgt_ez_gpo

It's a group policy add-in that'll tell all your computers when to activate the screensavers, go into standby and/or when to hibernate.
It's worked really well here, and it gives you a spreadsheet where you can work out your annual power savings. We're looking at saving around $70,000 a year just at this site.

We have also started using VMWare and Terminal servers to cut down on the amount of physical servers in the comms rack. One big meaty VMWare server can host several smaller servers that don't need the muscle (print server etc), and means it doesn't have the power consumption issues.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:13 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi all

Has anyone worked seriously with minimizing power consumption of small servers?

Here, charges for electricity has reached a new high at about
$0.35/?0.25 per kWh. This means that power costs for a machine using 200W running continuously will reach $610/?430 per year. No kidding.

Thus, for ourselves and a couple of clients, we are trying to work out any model for reducing these costs while, of course, not losing features or services.

One method is easy: Replace existing servers with new models using less power.

However, that is not enough. Other ideas are:

1. Move services to "the cloud".
This cuts power costs as well as machine inventory costs to zero but introduces new costs for rental of CPU time and probably higher speed bandwidth of internet connections.

2. Introduce standby methods for servers.
Quite often servers are idle at night or most of the night. But is the OS (typical Windows) able to set the machine at some standby level while keeping it responsive?

3. Introduce shut-down of servers.
If OS permits, shut down the server after some time of inactivity.
Power must be turned on by a remote call of Wake-up-LAN which most machines are capable of.

4. Move server OS to laptops.
Laptops are per definition built to consume as little power as possible and do have all sorts of hardware that can control or be controlled to use only the power needed. As an additional bonus, laptops have built in emergency power supply (the battery).

If any of you have had similar considerations and/or practical experiences implementing these, I would be pleased to learn.

/gustav
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 30 04:01:50 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:01:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
Message-ID: <sac33aae.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

There you see. This is not easy! 
Of course, a mail server must be running continuously. Or does it? For a domestic company with 9-17 working hours, how much mail arrives during night? Could it be delayed until, say, 07.00?

Also, this is where a cloud server may be fine. At least at Amazon Web Services you can adjust the available CPU power up and down during the day or week, thus minimizing your costs in quiet hours.

/gustav


>>> jon.tydda at lonza.com 30-09-2009 10:49:59 >>>
No, we don't use it on servers. I get shouted at when I even suggest it :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:48 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi Jon

Thanks, that tools look nice. However, it seems aimed at workstations.
Have you used it for servers?

And right, consolidating of physical servers should be on the list as well. For us, we already use VMware where we can. Highly recommended.

/gustav





From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Sep 30 04:08:42 2009
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:42 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
In-Reply-To: <sac33aae.075@cactus.dk>
References: <sac33aae.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63207861F4E7F@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Well that's easy for us, our mail server is 1200 miles away in Switzerland, and is most definitely "someone else's problem" :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:02 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi Jon

There you see. This is not easy!
Of course, a mail server must be running continuously. Or does it? For a domestic company with 9-17 working hours, how much mail arrives during night? Could it be delayed until, say, 07.00?

Also, this is where a cloud server may be fine. At least at Amazon Web Services you can adjust the available CPU power up and down during the day or week, thus minimizing your costs in quiet hours.

/gustav


>>> jon.tydda at lonza.com 30-09-2009 10:49:59 >>>
No, we don't use it on servers. I get shouted at when I even suggest it :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:48 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption

Hi Jon

Thanks, that tools look nice. However, it seems aimed at workstations.
Have you used it for servers?

And right, consolidating of physical servers should be on the list as well. For us, we already use VMware where we can. Highly recommended.

/gustav



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 09:03:08 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: End of email?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 30 11:17:10 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:17:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome vs IE vs FF
In-Reply-To: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <759C963B0D714B5C9A1E6D59A205E576@creativesystemdesigns.com>

And so the battle continues:

http://www.itworld.com/internet/79264/mozilla-slams-googles-chrome-frame-bro
wser-soup

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 30 11:24:10 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:24:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
Microsoft at:

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials

Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan
alones like Vipre etc?

Jim



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Sep 30 14:35:52 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:35:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
	<6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <2331F5530C0142D3AC23C55FACD4B6D8@jt2c>

No, because people will want security software that works properly :-)


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 30 September 2009 17:24
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
Microsoft at:

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials

Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan
alones like Vipre etc?

Jim

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Sep 30 14:38:15 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:38:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
	<6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>

Hi Jim,
It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so
they're giving it away. Time will tell.

I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware that
MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and such. If
these companies thought their free products would hurt their sales they
wouldn't be giving them away.

John B.
BTW I think everyone should say adios to the suites from Symantec, Micro
Trend, McAfee, Panda... ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:24 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
Microsoft at:

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials

Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan
alones like Vipre etc?

Jim

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From bgeldart at verizon.net  Wed Sep 30 16:08:23 2009
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:08:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
	<6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>
Message-ID: <0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Also note that the product requires "genuine MS Windows", which may 
seem logical and reasonable, but what other MS products might be 
required later, or might require to be updated, or might be required 
to run as MS deems appropriate.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 03:38 PM, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so
>they're giving it away. Time will tell.
>
>I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware that
>MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
>Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and such. If
>these companies thought their free products would hurt their sales they
>wouldn't be giving them away.
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
>Microsoft at:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
>
>Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan
>alones like Vipre etc?
>
>Jim


Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
Maynard, MA  

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Sep 30 16:20:00 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:20:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com><6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com><019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>
	<0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>

Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS
Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them from
cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect
ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
Sent: 30 September 2009 22:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Also note that the product requires "genuine MS Windows", which may seem
logical and reasonable, but what other MS products might be required later,
or might require to be updated, or might be required to run as MS deems
appropriate.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 03:38 PM, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so 
>they're giving it away. Time will tell.
>
>I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware 
>that MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
>Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and 
>such. If these companies thought their free products would hurt their 
>sales they wouldn't be giving them away.
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by 
>Microsoft at:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
>
>Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even 
>stan alones like Vipre etc?
>
>Jim


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Maynard, MA
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Sep 30 16:30:26 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:30:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com><6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com><019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>
	<0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23453030@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Well of course *you* would not suffer because your AV software is up to date. Right? 

By analogy: if I don't have a driver's license should I be able to get insurance for my car and expect claims to be paid? Or should I in fact not be allowed to drive the car in the first place. 

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them from cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
Sent: 30 September 2009 22:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Also note that the product requires "genuine MS Windows", which may seem logical and reasonable, but what other MS products might be required later, or might require to be updated, or might be required to run as MS deems appropriate.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 03:38 PM, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so 
>they're giving it away. Time will tell.
>
>I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware 
>that MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
>Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and 
>such. If these companies thought their free products would hurt their 
>sales they wouldn't be giving them away.
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by 
>Microsoft at:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
>
>Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even 
>stan alones like Vipre etc?
>
>Jim


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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Sep 30 16:43:27 2009
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:43:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23453030@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com><6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com><019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net><0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E23453030@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <D918FCDCE36F4562A987BF267D00F63F@jt2c>

Well yes, both good points. There should be a way to prevent "unprotected"
computers from going online... I suspect people might not be too happy about
that though if they get the notification telling them that their pc is too
infected...


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 30 September 2009 22:30
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Well of course *you* would not suffer because your AV software is up to
date. Right? 

By analogy: if I don't have a driver's license should I be able to get
insurance for my car and expect claims to be paid? Or should I in fact not
be allowed to drive the car in the first place. 

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS
Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them from
cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect
ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
Sent: 30 September 2009 22:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft

Also note that the product requires "genuine MS Windows", which may seem
logical and reasonable, but what other MS products might be required later,
or might require to be updated, or might be required to run as MS deems
appropriate.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 03:38 PM, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so 
>they're giving it away. Time will tell.
>
>I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware 
>that MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
>Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and 
>such. If these companies thought their free products would hurt their 
>sales they wouldn't be giving them away.
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by 
>Microsoft at:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
>
>Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even 
>stan alones like Vipre etc?
>
>Jim


Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
Maynard, MA
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 30 16:49:25 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:49:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server with low power consumption
In-Reply-To: <sac33aae.075@cactus.dk>
References: <sac33aae.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4AC3D265.18221.46D151AC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Most of my mail arrives during the night.  That's because it is working hours for you guys 
then.

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Sep 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Jon
> 
> There you see. This is not easy! Of course, a mail server must be
> running continuously. Or does it? For a domestic company with 9-17
> working hours, how much mail arrives during night? Could it be delayed
> until, say, 07.00? 
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 30 16:56:09 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:56:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>,
	<6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3D3F9.10414.46D77BD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

>From the latest Sunbelt News  (sure it's bound to be biased, but they are valid points):

You may have heard about 'Microsoft Security Essentials' (MSE), that will be released 
today, which is the no-charge replacement for their paid Windows Live OneCare antivirus 
and antispyware product. Security companies unanimously dismissed MSE as proof that 
Microsoft could not compete in the paying market. ("They could not get people to buy it so 
now they are giving it away"). Some people might ask about the differences with VIPRE so 
here are a few points:
MSE does NOT protect your incoming email (!)
MSE Scan speed is SLOW
MSE does not have real-time customizable monitors
MSE does not have advanced malware behavior analysis
MSE does not have live U.S. based Tech Support or Chat
In other words, you get what you pay for, as not protecting incoming email is like locking the 
house but leaving the front door wide open. Here is a one page PDF with the differences:
http://www.sunbeltsecuritynews.com/YABGIR/090930-VIPRE_vs_MSE

Also this comment the other day on The Register is relevant:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/ms_security_essentials/

Microsoft said its primary targets are the millions of Windows users that currently have no 
protection at all, rather than any concerted effort to poach users from McAfee and 
Symantec and certainly not for workplace PCs. For business customers, Microsoft is 
continuing to offer Forefront Client Security, which provides centralised management and 
reporting capabilities. MSE might be appropriate for consumers and home offices, but 
businesses of all sizes need to look elsewhere.

-- 
Stuart


On 30 Sep 2009 at 9:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
> Microsoft at:
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
> 
> Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even stan
> alones like Vipre etc?
> 
> Jim
> 
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From bgeldart at verizon.net  Wed Sep 30 17:27:49 2009
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:27:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>
References: <4ac36537.1438560a.62e0.10a4@mx.google.com>
	<6A29B9EF83F945458E34DD2881B7BB3B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<019d01ca4205$8df1bc60$a9d53520$@net>
	<0KQS00ME9YQ27RKO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<B578DFD9462249A8815C1299E84F3432@jt2c>
Message-ID: <0KQT000CU4GO62Q4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>


Not a problem with requiring _licensed_ copies of Windows.

My concern was more that MS might they require IE be the default 
browser, or require the latest version or patch, or require that 
non-MS products be uninstalled.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 05:20 PM, you wrote:
>Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS
>Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them from
>cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect
>ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
>Sent: 30 September 2009 22:08
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
>
>Also note that the product requires "genuine MS Windows", which may seem
>logical and reasonable, but what other MS products might be required later,
>or might require to be updated, or might be required to run as MS deems
>appropriate.
>
>Bob
>
>At 9/30/2009 03:38 PM, you wrote:
> >Hi Jim,
> >It's been said that they can't sell it because it's not good enough so
> >they're giving it away. Time will tell.
> >
> >I see this as an advantage to stopping some of the widespread malware
> >that MS can detect and clean but not a solution a business should consider.
> >Similar to AVG or the better free solutions like Avira Free AV and
> >such. If these companies thought their free products would hurt their
> >sales they wouldn't be giving them away.
> >
> >John B.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >A free antivirus and antispyware software suite is being released by
> >Microsoft at:
> >
> >http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
> >
> >Does this mean 'adios' to suites from Symantec, Micro Trend and even
> >stan alones like Vipre etc?
> >
> >Jim
>
>
>Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
>Maynard, MA
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 18:49:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:49:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
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Bob, 

MS has never done this (insisted you use IE) and I doubt if they will do so
now.  There are so many anti-this and anti-that against them they tread very
carefully.


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
Sent: 30 September 2009 23:28
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft


Not a problem with requiring _licensed_ copies of Windows.

My concern was more that MS might they require IE be the default 
browser, or require the latest version or patch, or require that 
non-MS products be uninstalled.

Bob

At 9/30/2009 05:20 PM, you wrote:
>Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS
>Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them
from
>cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect
>ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?
>
>
>Jon
>
sors.com



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 30 21:48:30 2009
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:48:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
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	<4ac3eeb7.1c07d00a.54a1.491f@mx.google.com>
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Max,

>MS has never done this (insisted you use IE) and I doubt if they will do so
>now.  There are so many anti-this and anti-that against them they tread very
>carefully.

Not exactly perhaps, but those "anti-..." measures result from courts in 
Europe, and even in the US, finding MS guilty of trying to enforce IE as 
a monopoly browser; nice summary at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft.

PB

-----/**/

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Bob, 
>
> MS has never done this (insisted you use IE) and I doubt if they will do so
> now.  There are so many anti-this and anti-that against them they tread very
> carefully.
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Geldart
> Sent: 30 September 2009 23:28
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free security software from Microsoft
>
>
> Not a problem with requiring _licensed_ copies of Windows.
>
> My concern was more that MS might they require IE be the default 
> browser, or require the latest version or patch, or require that 
> non-MS products be uninstalled.
>
> Bob
>
> At 9/30/2009 05:20 PM, you wrote:
>   
>> Isn't there some kind of moral reason for them to NOT require genuine MS
>> Windows? By denying it to people who have pirated copies, it stops them
>>     
> from
>   
>> cleaning up their computers, and allows them to continue to try to infect
>> ours. Why should I suffer because someone can't install MS security tools?
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>     
> sors.com
>
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