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Here is one suggestion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRuYv_2NmRA Jim From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 11:13:48 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:13:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 12:21:18 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:21:18 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com> What about, If(A5=0,A5=A7) So it only takes the value once. Sommat like that. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 17:14 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jan 5 12:30:33 2010 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:30:33 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com> References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <63386E012638421A9BC1804A5D59B11E@jt2c> Except it won't. The problem with Excel is auto-calculation. Every time A7 changes, this cell will update to the present value. I'm not sure there's a way to do it without manually entering the data once it's there, or Copy/Paste Special Values. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 January 2010 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question What about, If(A5=0,A5=A7) So it only takes the value once. Sommat like that. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 17:14 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 12:43:11 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:43:11 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <63386E012638421A9BC1804A5D59B11E@jt2c> References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com> <63386E012638421A9BC1804A5D59B11E@jt2c> Message-ID: <4b438879.0d67f10a.03a3.5a6b@mx.google.com> Wot 'bout a function to do the same? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 05 January 2010 18:31 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question Except it won't. The problem with Excel is auto-calculation. Every time A7 changes, this cell will update to the present value. I'm not sure there's a way to do it without manually entering the data once it's there, or Copy/Paste Special Values. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 January 2010 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question What about, If(A5=0,A5=A7) So it only takes the value once. Sommat like that. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 17:14 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Jan 5 13:00:16 2010 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:00:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> Message-ID: I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the formula, then paste special and select 'values' Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 13:04:01 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:04:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005><4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com> <63386E012638421A9BC1804A5D59B11E@jt2c> Message-ID: <7F39B0C4E58F48E9999DAECD677213A0@s1800> That works, John! Thank you. I think there was some command in 1-2-3 which did that, but I had never found it in Excel. Great! Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Except it won't. The problem with Excel is auto-calculation. Every time A7 > changes, this cell will update to the present value. I'm not sure there's > a > way to do it without manually entering the data once it's there, or > Copy/Paste Special Values. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: 05 January 2010 18:21 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > What about, > > If(A5=0,A5=A7) > > So it only takes the value once. Sommat like that. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 17:14 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so > that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype > 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 13:05:58 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:05:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438356.0f67f10a.0e4d.689a@mx.google.com><63386E012638421A9BC1804A5D59B11E@jt2c> <4b438879.0d67f10a.03a3.5a6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <69356F70A58443518501B21BA5DC7C1E@s1800> Thanks, Max, but I want to completely decouple it from the other cell. 0 was just an example. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Wot 'bout a function to do the same? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 05 January 2010 18:31 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Except it won't. The problem with Excel is auto-calculation. Every time A7 > changes, this cell will update to the present value. I'm not sure there's > a > way to do it without manually entering the data once it's there, or > Copy/Paste Special Values. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: 05 January 2010 18:21 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > What about, > > If(A5=0,A5=A7) > > So it only takes the value once. Sommat like that. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 17:14 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so > that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype > 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 13:07:10 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:07:10 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com> Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the formula, then paste special and select 'values' Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi, and Happy New Year, I cannot find the following function in Excel: I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present value. example: A5 contains formula =A7 A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to retype 500 into A5. thanks Lembit _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 13:24:48 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:24:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> Max, Great idea, but there a many places with 8 and more digits, and retyping is the safest way to get errors in. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the > formula, then paste special and select 'values' > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit > Soobik > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present > value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to > retype 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 13:26:41 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:26:41 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com> <050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> Message-ID: <4b4392af.0d67f10a.0c13.6339@mx.google.com> Ah so! Now I understand, Kemo Saby... Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 19:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question Max, Great idea, but there a many places with 8 and more digits, and retyping is the safest way to get errors in. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the > formula, then paste special and select 'values' > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit > Soobik > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present > value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to > retype 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 13:25:31 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:25:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> Message-ID: <089A77547CF248599C275BF891FD3D51@s1800> Thanks, Ed, yes, that worked fine. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the > formula, then paste special and select 'values' > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit > Soobik > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present > value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to > retype 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Jan 5 13:39:46 2010 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:39:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <089A77547CF248599C275BF891FD3D51@s1800> Message-ID: <516E567AC53B4E69AC41646407228398@MINSTER> In 123 it was /Range Values IIRC. Andy -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 19:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question Thanks, Ed, yes, that worked fine. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the > formula, then paste special and select 'values' > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit > Soobik > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi, and Happy New Year, > > I cannot find the following function in Excel: > I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present > value. > example: > A5 contains formula =A7 > A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 > so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to > retype 500 into A5. > > thanks > Lembit > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 15:59:52 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:59:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com><050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> <4b4392af.0d67f10a.0c13.6339@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <12C6B68B11F64929AFB36443EA08D90C@s1800> ahaaa, so you think that old German guy doesn't understand Indian dialects? ;-) Lone Ranger looking in an Indian dictionary and discovering that kemosabe is "an Apache expression for a horse's rear end." http://www.write101.com/kemosabe.htm good night Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Ah so! > > Now I understand, Kemo Saby... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 19:25 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Max, > Great idea, but there a many places with 8 and more digits, and retyping > is > the safest way to get errors in. > Lembit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > >> Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed >> Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the >> formula, then paste special and select 'values' >> >> >> Ed Tesiny >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >> Soobik >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> Hi, and Happy New Year, >> >> I cannot find the following function in Excel: >> I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present >> value. >> example: >> A5 contains formula =A7 >> A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 >> so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to >> retype 500 into A5. >> >> thanks >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 16:06:53 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:06:53 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <12C6B68B11F64929AFB36443EA08D90C@s1800> References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com><050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> <4b4392af.0d67f10a.0c13.6339@mx.google.com> <12C6B68B11F64929AFB36443EA08D90C@s1800> Message-ID: <4b43b809.1067f10a.0921.51f8@mx.google.com> Ha ha! I prefer the one above it.... Another suggestion has been that Tonto, (whose name means "stupid" according to some interpretations) responded by calling the Lone Ranger "qui no sabe" which roughly translates from Spanish as "he who knows nothing" or "clueless." Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 05 January 2010 22:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question ahaaa, so you think that old German guy doesn't understand Indian dialects? ;-) Lone Ranger looking in an Indian dictionary and discovering that kemosabe is "an Apache expression for a horse's rear end." http://www.write101.com/kemosabe.htm good night Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Ah so! > > Now I understand, Kemo Saby... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 19:25 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Max, > Great idea, but there a many places with 8 and more digits, and retyping > is > the safest way to get errors in. > Lembit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > >> Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed >> Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the >> formula, then paste special and select 'values' >> >> >> Ed Tesiny >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >> Soobik >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> Hi, and Happy New Year, >> >> I cannot find the following function in Excel: >> I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present >> value. >> example: >> A5 contains formula =A7 >> A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 >> so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to >> retype 500 into A5. >> >> thanks >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 16:00:54 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:00:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <516E567AC53B4E69AC41646407228398@MINSTER> Message-ID: <912B094B2A554F42A29677D6081E561D@s1800> Could well be, Andy.....last time I used 123 was about 20 years ago :) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lacey" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > In 123 it was /Range Values IIRC. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 19:26 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > > Thanks, Ed, > yes, that worked fine. > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > >>I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the >> formula, then paste special and select 'values' >> >> >> Ed Tesiny >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >> Soobik >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> Hi, and Happy New Year, >> >> I cannot find the following function in Excel: >> I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present >> value. >> example: >> A5 contains formula =A7 >> A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 >> so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to >> retype 500 into A5. >> >> thanks >> Lembit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jan 5 16:41:13 2010 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:41:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005>, <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c>, <49D3F31FD8004B05B3C941DECD1A6894@HAL9005><4B3A9054.4613.385D866@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><7F546B4A0317480DA998D764A5DDE2E2@HAL9005> <4b438e1a.0f67f10a.0e4d.6b86@mx.google.com><050DA461B3A8468AA8B6811789DD7949@s1800> <4b4392af.0d67f10a.0c13.6339@mx.google.com><12C6B68B11F64929AFB36443EA08D90C@s1800> <4b43b809.1067f10a.0921.51f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: gotcha.. wasnt that a fine approach to find out what you think of me... :) - he, who knows nothing... Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > Ha ha! > > I prefer the one above it.... > > Another suggestion has been that Tonto, (whose name means "stupid" > according > to some interpretations) responded by calling the Lone Ranger "qui no > sabe" > which roughly translates from Spanish as "he who knows nothing" or > "clueless." > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 05 January 2010 22:00 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > ahaaa, > so you think that old German guy doesn't understand Indian dialects? > ;-) > Lone Ranger looking in an Indian dictionary and discovering that kemosabe > is > > "an Apache expression for a horse's rear end." > http://www.write101.com/kemosabe.htm > > good night > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > >> Ah so! >> >> Now I understand, Kemo Saby... >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik >> Sent: 05 January 2010 19:25 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> Max, >> Great idea, but there a many places with 8 and more digits, and retyping >> is >> the safest way to get errors in. >> Lembit >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Wanadoo" >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >> >> >>> Why not just type it in then - quicker than copy-n-paste? >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed >>> Sent: 05 January 2010 19:00 >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question >>> >>> I believe Jon was right, highlight and copy the cell(s) that contant the >>> formula, then paste special and select 'values' >>> >>> >>> Ed Tesiny >>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit >>> Soobik >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question >>> >>> Hi, and Happy New Year, >>> >>> I cannot find the following function in Excel: >>> I have a formula in one cell and want to convert it to the present >>> value. >>> example: >>> A5 contains formula =A7 >>> A7 contains 500 therefore I see 500 in A5 I need to do something with A5 >>> so that it contains 500 even if I change A7 to 0 no, I do not want to >>> retype 500 into A5. >>> >>> thanks >>> Lembit >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 6 12:47:05 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:47:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005> <4b3a34fa.0d67f10a.0c13.ffffb8a1@mx.google.com> <9AFE1C54E62245B8908F56EB091BAD0A@HAL9005> <75D19076F86E45A6B2F76924EA47A74A@HAL9005> <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c> <5F999BD20F4840699CDA9159F562F6F6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5C3D8895C640498A8600A3EBB49B276E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The new Google phone Nexus is hitting the road in a short time. No price is stated but it will be comparable to the iPhone. It will most likely only be available in the US for the time being so we are all safe...for a while. AFAIK the internal OS coding is all in compiled Java. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/05/nexus-one-videos The ads are MAC-like. This should all be a grand competition between MAC and big G and hopefully no single provider, like iPhone, will have a monopoly and then maybe we will see some reasonable prices. Jim From rustykh at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 12:56:47 2010 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 In-Reply-To: References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005> <4b3a34fa.0d67f10a.0c13.ffffb8a1@mx.google.com> <9AFE1C54E62245B8908F56EB091BAD0A@HAL9005> <75D19076F86E45A6B2F76924EA47A74A@HAL9005> <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c> <5F999BD20F4840699CDA9159F562F6F6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5C3D8895C640498A8600A3EBB49B276E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <149526.81020.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I don't know. I think Google already knows enough about us from the internet. I have the no-script add-on installed in Firefox and I'll bet 95% of the websites have the google-analytics script on them. I don't think I need them to know all about my phone usage. ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 12:47:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 The new Google phone Nexus is hitting the road in a short time. No price is stated but it will be comparable to the iPhone. It will most likely only be available in the US for the time being so we are all safe...for a while. AFAIK the internal OS coding is all in compiled Java. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/05/nexus-one-videos The ads are MAC-like. This should all be a grand competition between MAC and big G and hopefully no single provider, like iPhone, will have a monopoly and then maybe we will see some reasonable prices. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 13:34:25 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:34:25 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 In-Reply-To: <149526.81020.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <0673D299CEEB4B8795151B0C69F99777@HAL9005> <4b3a34fa.0d67f10a.0c13.ffffb8a1@mx.google.com> <9AFE1C54E62245B8908F56EB091BAD0A@HAL9005> <75D19076F86E45A6B2F76924EA47A74A@HAL9005> <8DC04E61871348E8972914BF3A90063F@jt2c> <5F999BD20F4840699CDA9159F562F6F6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5C3D8895C640498A8600A3EBB49B276E@creativesystemdesigns.com> , <149526.81020.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502B2388223@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> I got a Samsung Jet for Christmas. Does everything I need including sync to exchange and wifi. Nice 5 mega pixel camera and a nice screen. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond [rustykh at yahoo.com] Sent: 06 January 2010 18:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 I don't know. I think Google already knows enough about us from the internet. I have the no-script add-on installed in Firefox and I'll bet 95% of the websites have the google-analytics script on them. I don't think I need them to know all about my phone usage. ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 12:47:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Your next phone Chapter 2 The new Google phone Nexus is hitting the road in a short time. No price is stated but it will be comparable to the iPhone. It will most likely only be available in the US for the time being so we are all safe...for a while. AFAIK the internal OS coding is all in compiled Java. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/05/nexus-one-videos The ads are MAC-like. This should all be a grand competition between MAC and big G and hopefully no single provider, like iPhone, will have a monopoly and then maybe we will see some reasonable prices. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 6 16:28:56 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:28:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries Message-ID: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. The battery life has declined to about 1 hour. He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. Seems rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a laptop battery? This one is used a LOT. TIA Rocky From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 16:38:59 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:38:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: <89D1E47505694FD4915EA7609F3DC417@SusanOne> Ours lasted forever, but we didn't use it much. Susan H. > but anyway - how much life can one expect from a laptop battery? This one > is used a LOT. > From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 17:14:07 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: I believe they are rated for a specific number of cycles. The more often you discharge and recharge the quicker they wear out. They usually offer upgraded batteries with more cells in them that would last longer since they wouldn't normally be as fully discharged. And many systems offer you a second battery so you could rotate them somehow although I don't know how you would recharge the "other one" while one was in the machine. Any battery powered device will eventually wear out the battery. I don't run my laptops on battery much, I generally have them tethered to their power cord 90% of the time, so I really have no idea of how long of life they had "before" or now for that matter. I think they only were good for about an hour or two when they were new. Much also depends on what kind of work you are doing. How many times it has to spin the hard drive etc. Or how computationally intensive the processes you are doing are. Laptops generally have power management set so that the chip runs SLOWER when it can to save power. I know my laptops were all set to run in a lower screen brightness under battery verses plugged in which was one reason I usually plugged it in. Buy another battery and keep the other one as a second. GK On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. ?The battery life has declined to about > 1 hour. ?He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is telling > him that the battery isn't covered after one year. ?Seems rather mean to me > but anyway - how much life can one expect from a laptop battery? ?This one > is used a LOT. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 6 17:27:20 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: <89D1E47505694FD4915EA7609F3DC417@SusanOne> References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> <89D1E47505694FD4915EA7609F3DC417@SusanOne> Message-ID: <1F4892D807FD450B931BF5DD3038C7E3@HAL9005> That's why I try to work as little possible myself. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries Ours lasted forever, but we didn't use it much. Susan H. > but anyway - how much life can one expect from a laptop battery? This > one is used a LOT. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 6 17:29:53 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:29:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: I think I may talked the Dell tech rep into a replacement - he put two boys through college and has a soft spot for college kids. Max uses his a LOT and usually on the battery because they take them to class. Hopefully they'll replace the current 6 cell with a 9 cell. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries I believe they are rated for a specific number of cycles. The more often you discharge and recharge the quicker they wear out. They usually offer upgraded batteries with more cells in them that would last longer since they wouldn't normally be as fully discharged. And many systems offer you a second battery so you could rotate them somehow although I don't know how you would recharge the "other one" while one was in the machine. Any battery powered device will eventually wear out the battery. I don't run my laptops on battery much, I generally have them tethered to their power cord 90% of the time, so I really have no idea of how long of life they had "before" or now for that matter. I think they only were good for about an hour or two when they were new. Much also depends on what kind of work you are doing. How many times it has to spin the hard drive etc. Or how computationally intensive the processes you are doing are. Laptops generally have power management set so that the chip runs SLOWER when it can to save power. I know my laptops were all set to run in a lower screen brightness under battery verses plugged in which was one reason I usually plugged it in. Buy another battery and keep the other one as a second. GK On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. ?The battery life has declined to > about > 1 hour. ?He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is > telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. ?Seems > rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a > laptop battery? ?This one is used a LOT. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 17:35:52 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:35:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: <397BFE1B1AD243DC9E58A2460E0DCFA1@SusanOne> Cool... ;) Can I have that tech rep's name? :) I've got 3 kids in college... Okay, so I'm a liar, but I could have! It won't be long before my grandchildren are in college! Hey, I'm going back to college this spring -- I start an art class at U of K in February -- that should do it! ;) "Dear Dell tech rep -- you talked to my friend Rocky and he said I could get a free laptop!" Susan H. I think I may talked the Dell tech rep into a replacement - he put two boys through college and has a soft spot for college kids. Max uses his a LOT and usually on the battery because they take them to class. Hopefully they'll replace the current 6 cell with a 9 cell. From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 08:12:11 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:12:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: Jeese you are going to make us Gentiles start beleiving that Jewish stereotype thing here again. Don't you ever pay for anything? ;-) GK On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I think I may talked the Dell tech rep into a replacement - he put two boys > through college and has a soft spot for college kids. ?Max uses his a LOT > and usually on the battery because they take them to class. ?Hopefully > they'll replace the current 6 cell with a 9 cell. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries > > I believe they are rated for a specific number of cycles. The more often you > discharge and recharge the quicker they wear out. > > They usually offer upgraded batteries with more cells in them that would > last longer since they wouldn't normally be as fully discharged. > And many systems offer you a second battery so you could rotate them somehow > although I don't know how you would recharge the "other one" > while one was in the machine. > > Any battery powered device will eventually wear out the battery. > > I don't run my laptops on battery much, I generally have them tethered to > their power cord 90% of the time, so I really have no idea of how long of > life they had "before" or now for that matter. I think they only were good > for about an hour or two when they were new. > > Much also depends on what kind of work you are doing. How many times it has > to spin the hard drive etc. Or how computationally intensive the processes > you are doing are. Laptops generally have power management set so that the > chip runs SLOWER when it can to save power. > I know my laptops were all set to run in a lower screen brightness under > battery verses plugged in which was one reason I usually plugged it in. > > Buy another battery and keep the other one as a second. > > GK > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. ?The battery life has declined to >> about >> 1 hour. ?He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is >> telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. ?Seems >> rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a >> laptop battery? ?This one is used a LOT. >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> >> >> Rocky >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 7 09:22:25 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:22:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: <1F6C535062E2489688A4AE7D6175F94E@HAL9005> Nah, we let the Gentiles to that. :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries Jeese you are going to make us Gentiles start beleiving that Jewish stereotype thing here again. Don't you ever pay for anything? ;-) GK On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I think I may talked the Dell tech rep into a replacement - he put two > boys through college and has a soft spot for college kids. ?Max uses > his a LOT and usually on the battery because they take them to class. ? > Hopefully they'll replace the current 6 cell with a 9 cell. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries > > I believe they are rated for a specific number of cycles. The more > often you discharge and recharge the quicker they wear out. > > They usually offer upgraded batteries with more cells in them that > would last longer since they wouldn't normally be as fully discharged. > And many systems offer you a second battery so you could rotate them > somehow although I don't know how you would recharge the "other one" > while one was in the machine. > > Any battery powered device will eventually wear out the battery. > > I don't run my laptops on battery much, I generally have them tethered > to their power cord 90% of the time, so I really have no idea of how > long of life they had "before" or now for that matter. I think they > only were good for about an hour or two when they were new. > > Much also depends on what kind of work you are doing. How many times > it has to spin the hard drive etc. Or how computationally intensive > the processes you are doing are. Laptops generally have power > management set so that the chip runs SLOWER when it can to save power. > I know my laptops were all set to run in a lower screen brightness > under battery verses plugged in which was one reason I usually plugged it in. > > Buy another battery and keep the other one as a second. > > GK > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. ?The battery life has declined to >> about >> 1 hour. ?He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is >> telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. ?Seems >> rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a >> laptop battery? ?This one is used a LOT. >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> >> >> Rocky >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 09:40:46 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:40:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: <1F6C535062E2489688A4AE7D6175F94E@HAL9005> References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> <1F6C535062E2489688A4AE7D6175F94E@HAL9005> Message-ID: Sorry. Thought we were on OT with this thread. I have to work up the nerve to complain. I's just not in my nature for the most part. Not that I don't complain about stuff, I just rarely complain to anyone that can actually do something about what I am complaining about. Good luck getting your new battery. GK On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Nah, we let the Gentiles to that. ?:) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:12 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries > > Jeese you are going to make us Gentiles start beleiving that Jewish > stereotype thing here again. Don't you ever pay for anything? ;-) > > GK > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> I think I may talked the Dell tech rep into a replacement - he put two >> boys through college and has a soft spot for college kids. ?Max uses >> his a LOT and usually on the battery because they take them to class. >> Hopefully they'll replace the current 6 cell with a 9 cell. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:14 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries >> >> I believe they are rated for a specific number of cycles. The more >> often you discharge and recharge the quicker they wear out. >> >> They usually offer upgraded batteries with more cells in them that >> would last longer since they wouldn't normally be as fully discharged. >> And many systems offer you a second battery so you could rotate them >> somehow although I don't know how you would recharge the "other one" >> while one was in the machine. >> >> Any battery powered device will eventually wear out the battery. >> >> I don't run my laptops on battery much, I generally have them tethered >> to their power cord 90% of the time, so I really have no idea of how >> long of life they had "before" or now for that matter. I think they >> only were good for about an hour or two when they were new. >> >> Much also depends on what kind of work you are doing. How many times >> it has to spin the hard drive etc. Or how computationally intensive >> the processes you are doing are. Laptops generally have power >> management set so that the chip runs SLOWER when it can to save power. >> I know my laptops were all set to run in a lower screen brightness >> under battery verses plugged in which was one reason I usually plugged it > in. >> >> Buy another battery and keep the other one as a second. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >>> Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. ?The battery life has declined to >>> about >>> 1 hour. ?He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is >>> telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. ?Seems >>> rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a >>> laptop battery? ?This one is used a LOT. >>> >>> >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Jan 7 16:05:33 2010 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:05:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries In-Reply-To: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> References: <09A8DC9F3B9D4E8D953212C3E534F7EC@HAL9005> Message-ID: I think almost all manufacturers exclude batteries from the extended warranty. Charge life varies. I have a Systemax that got close to 2 hrs early on and within a few months was down to 1.5 hours. I also have a thin Toshiba without a DVD drive that will get close to 4+ hours of continuous use. Both are 6 cell. Dell sells a 9 cell that's rated at 4+ hours but is usually an upgrade on most laptops. Their 6 cell is usually good for 2+ hours and we've had pretty good luck with them staying around that time limit. Ours tend to be plugged into the power supply most of the time. Perry -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:29 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Batteries Max's Dell laptop is 18 months old. The battery life has declined to about 1 hour. He does have the three year on-site warranty but Dell is telling him that the battery isn't covered after one year. Seems rather mean to me but anyway - how much life can one expect from a laptop battery? This one is used a LOT. TIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:40:55 2010 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:40:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RIP Yamaguchi-san Message-ID: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday Sutomo Yamaguchi died, at age 93. He is the only known survivor of the only two nuclear bomb-blasts in history. He went to Hiroshima on a business trip in 1945, arriving the day before the first nuclear explosion. Miraculously, he survived, the upper half of his body badly burned but for some reason his lower half was protected by his pants. After a brief visit to the hospital, he took the train home. To Nagasaki. He tried to explain to his family and friends that a single bomb had completely destroyed the entire city of Hiroshima. No one believed this possible. A few days later, it happened again, this time to his native city, Nagasaki. Again, he survived. He declared to himself, "After this, everything is a Gift." He lived to be 93 years old. Yesterday, he died. Rest In Peace, Yamaguchi-san! Arthur From bgeldart at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 16:00:23 2010 From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:00:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RIP Yamaguchi-san In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.co m> References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KW0003IX2GTP4E5@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Amazing! Every day _is_ a gift. At 1/9/2010 11:40 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >Yesterday Sutomo Yamaguchi died, at age 93. He is the only known survivor of >the only two nuclear bomb-blasts in history. He went to Hiroshima on a >business trip in 1945, arriving the day before the first nuclear explosion. >Miraculously, he survived, the upper half of his body badly burned but for >some reason his lower half was protected by his pants. After a brief visit >to the hospital, he took the train home. To Nagasaki. He tried to explain to >his family and friends that a single bomb had completely destroyed the >entire city of Hiroshima. No one believed this possible. > >A few days later, it happened again, this time to his native city, Nagasaki. >Again, he survived. He declared to himself, "After this, everything is a >Gift." He lived to be 93 years old. Yesterday, he died. Rest In Peace, >Yamaguchi-san! > >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Bob Geldart BGeldart at verizon.net Maynard, MA From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 9 19:03:47 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:03:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RIP Yamaguchi-san In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is an incredible tale... He was born to see and live through it all and he did. "After this, everything is a Gift." This could not be better said. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:41 AM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [dba-Tech] RIP Yamaguchi-san Yesterday Sutomo Yamaguchi died, at age 93. He is the only known survivor of the only two nuclear bomb-blasts in history. He went to Hiroshima on a business trip in 1945, arriving the day before the first nuclear explosion. Miraculously, he survived, the upper half of his body badly burned but for some reason his lower half was protected by his pants. After a brief visit to the hospital, he took the train home. To Nagasaki. He tried to explain to his family and friends that a single bomb had completely destroyed the entire city of Hiroshima. No one believed this possible. A few days later, it happened again, this time to his native city, Nagasaki. Again, he survived. He declared to himself, "After this, everything is a Gift." He lived to be 93 years old. Yesterday, he died. Rest In Peace, Yamaguchi-san! Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 10 00:21:30 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:21:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites In-Reply-To: <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: You can add a group of free gadgets to your web site: http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/foryourpage/index.html They look and work great. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 10 00:43:50 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:43:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com><77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5EF013A3D9E34222B72665D90CC7D5F1@HAL9005> There are apparently 169,862 of these gadgets. Who could have put them all together? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites You can add a group of free gadgets to your web site: http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/foryourpage/index.html They look and work great. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 10 01:57:57 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:57:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites In-Reply-To: <5EF013A3D9E34222B72665D90CC7D5F1@HAL9005> References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5EF013A3D9E34222B72665D90CC7D5F1@HAL9005> Message-ID: Don't look at me... I wonder how many are actually worth something? The calendars, clock and translators gadgets seem interesting... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites There are apparently 169,862 of these gadgets. Who could have put them all together? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites You can add a group of free gadgets to your web site: http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/foryourpage/index.html They look and work great. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 10 13:46:24 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:46:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar Message-ID: I'm looking for a small desktop calendar for XP - doesn't have to have any functions other than to show the month. Ay favorites? TIA Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 10 16:12:38 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:12:38 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4A50D6.22353.6E20ED2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I use the pop-up calendar function inside ATNotes - I have it set to "always on top" with WindowsKey +C as a hotkey to pop it up/down. ATNotes is available here (it's "discontinued" software so there won't be any updates, but it works fine for me on Vista) http://atnotes.free.fr/ -- Stuart On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:46, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm looking for a small desktop calendar for XP - doesn't have to have any > functions other than to show the month. Ay favorites? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 10 16:18:33 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:18:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar In-Reply-To: <4B4A50D6.22353.6E20ED2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4B4A50D6.22353.6E20ED2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart: Do you know if it will work on XP? Can it display a small calendar like the Vista gadget? I've downloaded 3-4 of them already and they turn out to be way too big. TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:13 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar I use the pop-up calendar function inside ATNotes - I have it set to "always on top" with WindowsKey +C as a hotkey to pop it up/down. ATNotes is available here (it's "discontinued" software so there won't be any updates, but it works fine for me on Vista) http://atnotes.free.fr/ -- Stuart On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:46, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm looking for a small desktop calendar for XP - doesn't have to have > any functions other than to show the month. Ay favorites? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 10 16:36:17 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:36:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar In-Reply-To: References: , <4B4A50D6.22353.6E20ED2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4B4A5661.1396.6F7B7CE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It works will on XP. I have it running on W2K, XP and Vista machines currently. A qick check give me 263 * 168 pixels on my laptops 1280 * 800 laptop screen. The whole download is about 700KB and in addition to the popup calendar, you get a reaaly neat "sticky notes" program with alarms, reminders etc. It's one of my most used utilities. In addition to a few visible ones, I have lots of "hidden" notes which I can pull up with a a hot key and a couple clicks - I use them to store all sorts of information which I need to access easily. I highly recommend it. -- Stuart On 10 Jan 2010 at 14:18, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Stuart: > > Do you know if it will work on XP? > Can it display a small calendar like the Vista gadget? I've downloaded 3-4 > of them already and they turn out to be way too big. > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:13 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar > > I use the pop-up calendar function inside ATNotes - I have it set to > "always on top" with WindowsKey +C as a hotkey to pop it up/down. > > ATNotes is available here (it's "discontinued" software so there won't be > any updates, but it works fine for me on Vista) > > http://atnotes.free.fr/ > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:46, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > I'm looking for a small desktop calendar for XP - doesn't have to have > > any functions other than to show the month. Ay favorites? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 10 19:26:36 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar In-Reply-To: <4B4A5661.1396.6F7B7CE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4B4A50D6.22353.6E20ED2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4B4A5661.1396.6F7B7CE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6AAACD9B6DF94854BD542D42397AB965@HAL9005> Thanks Stuart. Looks good. A little bigger than I wanted - I like the Vista one - but that does the trick. Until I upgrade this box to W7 then I can probably get the vista widgets. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar It works will on XP. I have it running on W2K, XP and Vista machines currently. A qick check give me 263 * 168 pixels on my laptops 1280 * 800 laptop screen. The whole download is about 700KB and in addition to the popup calendar, you get a reaaly neat "sticky notes" program with alarms, reminders etc. It's one of my most used utilities. In addition to a few visible ones, I have lots of "hidden" notes which I can pull up with a a hot key and a couple clicks - I use them to store all sorts of information which I need to access easily. I highly recommend it. -- Stuart On 10 Jan 2010 at 14:18, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Stuart: > > Do you know if it will work on XP? > Can it display a small calendar like the Vista gadget? I've downloaded 3-4 > of them already and they turn out to be way too big. > > TIA > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:13 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop Calendar > > I use the pop-up calendar function inside ATNotes - I have it set to > "always on top" with WindowsKey +C as a hotkey to pop it up/down. > > ATNotes is available here (it's "discontinued" software so there won't be > any updates, but it works fine for me on Vista) > > http://atnotes.free.fr/ > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Jan 2010 at 11:46, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > I'm looking for a small desktop calendar for XP - doesn't have to have > > any functions other than to show the month. Ay favorites? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:12:40 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:12:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Validation question Message-ID: <7DCC613B130E48558C7076BAE9DC3D94@SusanOne> The Data Validation command lets you enter meaningful text that Excel displays when you select a cell -- similar to a Comment, but different in purpose. I can't find a way to print these messages -- anyone know of a way? Susan H. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Jan 11 10:30:02 2010 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Validation question In-Reply-To: <7DCC613B130E48558C7076BAE9DC3D94@SusanOne> References: <7DCC613B130E48558C7076BAE9DC3D94@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4B4B520A.1060207@torchlake.com> Hi Susan, I used ALT+PrintScrn, then pasted the screen capture into Paint. I didn't find any other way. Is this useful to you? T Susan Harkins wrote: > The Data Validation command lets you enter meaningful text that Excel > displays when you select a cell -- similar to a Comment, but different in > purpose. > > I can't find a way to print these messages -- anyone know of a way? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:39:07 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:39:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Validation question References: <7DCC613B130E48558C7076BAE9DC3D94@SusanOne> <4B4B520A.1060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hmmmmmmmmmm... would beat a blank I guess. I just wondered if there was a built-in setting that I was missing. Thanks Tina! :) Susan h. > Hi Susan, > > I used ALT+PrintScrn, then pasted the screen capture into Paint. I > didn't find any other way. Is this useful to you? > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 11 12:04:09 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:04:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ten specialized web browsers In-Reply-To: References: <7DCC613B130E48558C7076BAE9DC3D94@SusanOne> <4B4B520A.1060207@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <66FAADC781B74F09B3234AC9EF9F2B2A@creativesystemdesigns.com> There are a number of browsers that are not the standards like IE, FF, Chrome, Safari and Opera. Here is a link to a list of 10 browsers not commonly used but are more specialized. http://sixrevisions.com/tools/10-web-browsers-you-probably-havent-heard-of And if you every wondered about the real performance scale of the various top browser here is a graph. http://sixrevisions.com/infographs/browser-performance Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 12:31:26 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:31:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5EF013A3D9E34222B72665D90CC7D5F1@HAL9005> Message-ID: I downloaded one recently that provides a contact us email page. Very useful, until after you use the contact us and the you get an add to link back to the author of the gadget. Nothing wrong with that really, but I choose to not use it, and instead stick with mailto: I was also conscious that he could have been harvesting the email addresses, as I did not have to specify which SMTP server to use. Having said that, there are lots of gadgets there for free that work a treat, I have used some of the RSS readers and they are super. You know, one of these I am going to download the internet to my pc and then I will have everything handy for myself ! thanks Mark 2010/1/10 Jim Lawrence > Don't look at me... I wonder how many are actually worth something? The > calendars, clock and translators gadgets seem interesting... > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites > > There are apparently 169,862 of these gadgets. Who could have put them all > together? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:22 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites > > You can add a group of free gadgets to your web site: > > http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/foryourpage/index.html > > They look and work great. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 11 12:40:55 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:40:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd1001090840j66e2a4f1qdf603c05c8dc8441@mail.gmail.com> <77196D497C9C4C5F922CB98D68E0EB8D@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5EF013A3D9E34222B72665D90CC7D5F1@HAL9005> Message-ID: <6D0145F1410A4D4DA3A8317D4F63E8D0@creativesystemdesigns.com> I guess you just can not be too careful. There are a lots of sample or free code out there but many come with caveat. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites I downloaded one recently that provides a contact us email page. Very useful, until after you use the contact us and the you get an add to link back to the author of the gadget. Nothing wrong with that really, but I choose to not use it, and instead stick with mailto: I was also conscious that he could have been harvesting the email addresses, as I did not have to specify which SMTP server to use. Having said that, there are lots of gadgets there for free that work a treat, I have used some of the RSS readers and they are super. You know, one of these I am going to download the internet to my pc and then I will have everything handy for myself ! thanks Mark 2010/1/10 Jim Lawrence > Don't look at me... I wonder how many are actually worth something? The > calendars, clock and translators gadgets seem interesting... > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites > > There are apparently 169,862 of these gadgets. Who could have put them all > together? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:22 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Free gadgets for your web sites > > You can add a group of free gadgets to your web site: > > http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/foryourpage/index.html > > They look and work great. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 09:29:59 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:29:59 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> Jim L., I was scanning through old dba-tech messages for backup hints and tricks, when I ran across this thread. I have some experience with Microsoft Virtual PC and "converting" hard disks on old PCs to virtual drives. Were you able to get your wife's old PC "virtualized"? I successfully converted two of my old workstations to virtual PCs. How did your experience turn out? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think that is a 'feature' of all the VPC versions. Once created it can > not > me modified externally. The other 'feature' is of course that it will not > allow a restore over the root drive which is what I would like to do. > > The next step I will try is to make an ISO of the original 60GB drive and > install it that way... That will take a long while. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:21 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > With MS Virtual PC 2007 it appears that the Virtual Disk Manager allows you > to change the type and increase the size to fixed drive - 60GB. I've never > done it though. > > I just added a second virtual drive to one of my VMs (very long process). > Problem is the VM it's assigned to didn't pick it up except in Disk > Manager, > where it doesn't let me do anything with it. I have yet to dig through any > documentation to see if there is something I need to do after creating > it... > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:27 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hi John: > > Thanks for the info. I have a DriveImageXML ISO and the process of > restoring > it to the new VPC (VirtualBox) drive is not an issue. The only problem is > that the restore features on DIX looks at the virtual drive it is about to > restore to and quits saying drive is not large enough. > > Of course the virtual drive is variable so as data is entered it will just > keep the drive expanding until the maximum of the real drive is reached. > > Now I have to figure out what to do. You can not re-set the size or > expansion method of the virtual drive when once created. The last thing I > would want is a fixed size drive... > > There may be a method of simply generating a file(s) that forces the > expansion of the virtual drive up to 60GB... gross in concept but for now I > can not think of a better method... > > Any thoughts? > > Jim > > From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:13:02 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:13:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been downsized from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the personal edition since it was only $50. Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to setting up a schedule for unattended backups. Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy of the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. She's been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech Edition will work properly. One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the 500 TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two production drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough room on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs extra drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she has of the way these image backup programs work. So, here are the questions: 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in backup drives? 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying that the hardware doesn't fail. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 12 10:30:31 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:30:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> Hi Steve, What technique do you use for doing this? I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP machine. The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a Win98 VM this but would welcome any suggestions. John B. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:46:05 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:46:05 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> Steve, DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 16:13 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Dear Group, My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been downsized from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the personal edition since it was only $50. Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to setting up a schedule for unattended backups. Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy of the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. She's been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech Edition will work properly. One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the 500 TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two production drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough room on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs extra drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she has of the way these image backup programs work. So, here are the questions: 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in backup drives? 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying that the hardware doesn't fail. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 12 10:50:02 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:50:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on each machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific files from the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if the HD failed and I had to restore the whole image if it would work. But the product seems to be very stable. BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job hunt going? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Dear Group, My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been downsized from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the personal edition since it was only $50. Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to setting up a schedule for unattended backups. Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy of the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. She's been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech Edition will work properly. One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the 500 TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two production drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough room on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs extra drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she has of the way these image backup programs work. So, here are the questions: 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in backup drives? 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying that the hardware doesn't fail. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:04:12 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:04:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> Max, Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY doesn't do that. Steve Erbach On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Steve, > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 16:13 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, > I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been > downsized > from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up > and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a > Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a > couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup > software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which > edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the > personal edition since it was only $50. > > Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she > was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to > setting up a schedule for unattended backups. > > Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about > $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy > of > the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes > took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. > > She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day > trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, > Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When > she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled > somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. > She's > been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech > Edition will work properly. > > One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data > drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the > 500 > TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two > production > drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough > room > on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, > apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs > extra > drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. > > Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups > and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she > has of the way these image backup programs work. > > So, here are the questions: > > 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in > backup drives? > 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are > SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? > 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? > 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with > Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? > 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of > cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? > > > That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying > that the hardware doesn't fail. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:11:05 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:11:05 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> How's the job hunt going? << Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on each > machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific files > from > the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if the HD failed and > I had to restore the whole image if it would work. > > But the product seems to be very stable. > > BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door > by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job hunt going? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:19:24 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:19:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4caf25.1701d00a.71cb.ffff9e0a@mx.google.com> I use Acronis for that. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 17:04 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Max, Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY doesn't do that. Steve Erbach On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Steve, > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 16:13 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, > I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been > downsized > from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up > and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a > Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a > couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup > software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which > edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the > personal edition since it was only $50. > > Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she > was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to > setting up a schedule for unattended backups. > > Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about > $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy > of > the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes > took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. > > She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day > trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, > Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When > she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled > somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. > She's > been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech > Edition will work properly. > > One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data > drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the > 500 > TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two > production > drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough > room > on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, > apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs > extra > drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. > > Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups > and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she > has of the way these image backup programs work. > > So, here are the questions: > > 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in > backup drives? > 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are > SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? > 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? > 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with > Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? > 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of > cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? > > > That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying > that the hardware doesn't fail. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:19:37 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:19:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> Why is a server any different? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 17:11 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> How's the job hunt going? << Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on each > machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific files > from > the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if the HD failed and > I had to restore the whole image if it would work. > > But the product seems to be very stable. > > BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door > by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job hunt going? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Jan 12 11:19:52 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:19:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For a server backup on small scale, you want either a big NAS (Network Attached Storage) or a tape drive with lots of tapes. We've got Veritas Backup Exec v10, with a robot tape library that can hold 83 Ultrium 3 tapes (400-800gb per tape). We typically backup around 3tb a night. I realise that's probably overkill for Janet's requirements, but scale it down a little and you can do it. An Ultrium 2 tape drive (an 8 tape carousel would work), with a rotation of tapes (200-400gb) for daily, weekly, monthly and annual backups would do the job perfectly. The jobs aer totally customisable with Backup Exec, and pretty straightforward to do. If you get stuck, there are plenty of forums and web pages offering advice etc. I don't know much about costs though, I don't do much on the server/hardware side any more these days. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> How's the job hunt going? << Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on > each machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific > files from the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if > the HD failed and I had to restore the whole image if it would work. > > But the product seems to be very stable. > > BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in > the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job > hunt going? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence > [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she > really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, > queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and > backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with > the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's > boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small > Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company > is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:25:02 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:25:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120925h6bea87d5r77e64b4123da1ca0@mail.gmail.com> Mr. President, I am honored, sir, to offer my poor knowledge to help you out! This applies to Microsoft Virtual PC. I used two free products to create VHDs from existing *Windows XP Pro*systems: WinImage ( http://www.winimage.com/download.htm) and Sysinternals Disk2vhd ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx). When I ran these programs on my old workstations, I simply saved the VHDs on my main system over the network. Then I created the VMs and used an ISO of the Windows XP installation disk on each VM to do a repair installation of XP. I presume that you know that that DOESN'T mean that first "repair" or recover choice on the first Windows installation screen. You have to pick a regular install of Windows...then the installation program detects that a version of Windows already exists and that you want to repair the existing installation. Those are the two basic steps. I had a hell of a time with my second attempt at doing this since the physical workstation's hard disk had registry errors. But after I ran PCTools Registry Mechanic, I used Disk2vhd to make the VHD and then successfully did a Windows repair and voil?! I tried doing the same process with an old Windows 95 laptop but I haven't been successful. Maybe a repair installation of Windows 98 would work, I don't know from personal experience. I, like Drew, have got multiple Windows VMs: Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, and 7 to go along with the two "conversion" VMs I mentioned. I also have a DOS VM I made with Drew's help. Installing those versions of Windows and DOS was pretty straightforward. For older versions of Windows I did need to use the older version of Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 to get the Virtual Machine Additions to work. Does that help? I would also say that DOS apps run well under Windows XP, even ones that use memory-resident utilities. Windows 98 ran DOS apps better than Windows 2000 did, but XP outshines either by a long way. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Steve, > What technique do you use for doing this? > > I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP > machine. > > The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. > > My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and > see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used > applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is > a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this > until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which > are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need > to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. > > I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a > Win98 > VM this but would welcome any suggestions. > > John B. > > From rustykh at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 11:26:47 2010 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I haven't installed an SBS 2008 server yet, but in SBS 2003 I've just used the built in windows backup and swap external USB drives to backup to. Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but I'm getting good backups. I've had to restore a few files at times so it gets tested. ________________________________ From: Steve Erbach To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:04:12 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Max, Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY doesn't do that. Steve Erbach On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Steve, > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 16:13 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, > I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been > downsized > from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up > and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a > Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a > couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup > software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which > edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the > personal edition since it was only $50. > > Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she > was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to > setting up a schedule for unattended backups. > > Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about > $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy > of > the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes > took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. > > She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day > trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, > Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When > she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled > somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. > She's > been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech > Edition will work properly. > > One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data > drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the > 500 > TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two > production > drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough > room > on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, > apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs > extra > drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. > > Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups > and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she > has of the way these image backup programs work. > > So, here are the questions: > > 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in > backup drives? > 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are > SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? > 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? > 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with > Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? > 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of > cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? > > > That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying > that the hardware doesn't fail. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:26:50 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:26:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> Max, Well, that's a good question. Apparently there *IS* a difference. Casper and Acronis sell versions specifically for servers. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why is a server any different? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 17:11 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Jan 12 11:31:32 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:31:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's probably to do with using RAID or scalability of sizes etc... Most home users aren't going to be backing up several Terabyte RAID arrays, where as companies may well do. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Max, Well, that's a good question. Apparently there *IS* a difference. Casper and Acronis sell versions specifically for servers. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why is a server any different? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 17:11 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY > clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would > be true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In > 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less > operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients > keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what > to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset > the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, > maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:32:31 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:32:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> Rusty, >> Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but I'm getting good backups. << That just KILLS me!! After all this time and all those myriad server crashes over the years, one would think that a bootable backup drive would be so desirable that companies would be screaming for that type of product. Is OS restoration followed by restoration of backup tapes or Windows backups a plot by IT types to keep their jobs? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I haven't installed an SBS 2008 server yet, but in SBS 2003 I've just used > the built in windows backup and swap external USB drives to backup to. > Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but > I'm getting good backups. I've had to restore a few files at times so it > gets tested. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Erbach > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:04:12 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Max, > > Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup > drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY > doesn't do that. > > Steve Erbach > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > > > Max > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:40:11 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:40:11 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4cb405.1c07d00a.3e24.ffffb199@mx.google.com> I have 2 x 1.5TB external USB drives. - circa ?300 the lot! OTT? Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: 12 January 2010 17:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups For a server backup on small scale, you want either a big NAS (Network Attached Storage) or a tape drive with lots of tapes. We've got Veritas Backup Exec v10, with a robot tape library that can hold 83 Ultrium 3 tapes (400-800gb per tape). We typically backup around 3tb a night. I realise that's probably overkill for Janet's requirements, but scale it down a little and you can do it. An Ultrium 2 tape drive (an 8 tape carousel would work), with a rotation of tapes (200-400gb) for daily, weekly, monthly and annual backups would do the job perfectly. The jobs aer totally customisable with Backup Exec, and pretty straightforward to do. If you get stuck, there are plenty of forums and web pages offering advice etc. I don't know much about costs though, I don't do much on the server/hardware side any more these days. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> How's the job hunt going? << Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on > each machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific > files from the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if > the HD failed and I had to restore the whole image if it would work. > > But the product seems to be very stable. > > BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in > the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job > hunt going? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence > [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she > really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, > queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and > backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with > the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's > boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small > Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company > is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 12 11:43:11 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:43:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> How's the job hunt going? << Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on > each machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific > files from the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if > the HD failed and I had to restore the whole image if it would work. > > But the product seems to be very stable. > > BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in > the door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job > hunt going? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence > [ www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she > really has no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, > queries, a little web design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and > backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with > the backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's > boss had a new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small > Business Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company > is a roommate of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 12 11:48:34 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:48:34 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4CB5F2.2070607@earthlink.net> Steve, >The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health >emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge >financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private >insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Yikes. Consider moving to Canada. PB ----- Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >>> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the >>> > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >>> How's the job hunt going? << >>> > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > >> I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on each >> machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific files >> from >> the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if the HD failed and >> I had to restore the whole image if it would work. >> >> But the product seems to be very stable. >> >> BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the >> door >> by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job hunt going? >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups >> >> Dear Group, >> >> My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. >> She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail >> high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ >> www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has >> no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little >> web >> design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! >> >> Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the >> backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a >> new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. >> That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. >> >> The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business >> Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate >> of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/12/10 07:35:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:48:51 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4cb606.170d660a.6774.ffffbec7@mx.google.com> I suppose I could do a mirror to both of my 1.5TB USB drives and after that, just do an xcopy32 to them. Periodically update the mirror. Have to think it through.. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 17:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rusty, >> Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but I'm getting good backups. << That just KILLS me!! After all this time and all those myriad server crashes over the years, one would think that a bootable backup drive would be so desirable that companies would be screaming for that type of product. Is OS restoration followed by restoration of backup tapes or Windows backups a plot by IT types to keep their jobs? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I haven't installed an SBS 2008 server yet, but in SBS 2003 I've just used > the built in windows backup and swap external USB drives to backup to. > Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but > I'm getting good backups. I've had to restore a few files at times so it > gets tested. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Erbach > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:04:12 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Max, > > Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup > drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY > doesn't do that. > > Steve Erbach > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > > > Max > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:49:35 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:49:35 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b4cb631.0aa1660a.755b.ffffe3e4@mx.google.com> Yeah, yeah, marketing scam or reality. Where is Jim? He will know. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 17:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Max, Well, that's a good question. Apparently there *IS* a difference. Casper and Acronis sell versions specifically for servers. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why is a server any different? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 17:11 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:50:41 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:50:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? << She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No health insurance through her company. >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << Har! >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. << Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover > the family? > > Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the > 'Medicare at 55' thing in. > > "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never > took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) > > In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client by > looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded > and I hooked one. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:54:09 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:54:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4B4CB5F2.2070607@earthlink.net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB5F2.2070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001120954s4c23cedfv215429febf6d6d7a@mail.gmail.com> Peter, That's a very kind suggestion. It isn't very far! I think I'll save a discussion of national health insurance for OT. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > Steve, > > >The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > >emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > >financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > >insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Yikes. Consider moving to Canada. > > PB > > ----- > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > Rocky, > > > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > > > > >>> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > >>> > > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > > > > >>> How's the job hunt going? << > >>> > > > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford > private > > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 12 12:00:19 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:00:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, here's to your good health! Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? << She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No health insurance through her company. >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << Har! >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new >> client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. << Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? > > Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. > > "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out > about it. :) > > In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY > clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would > be true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In > 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less > operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients > keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what > to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset > the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, > maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 12 12:05:45 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:05:45 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> Steve, My comments: A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going on that workstations and regular server does not. While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend on the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are mostly for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only be considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system from the backups. I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a server/client/network is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system this system Or 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their recommendations did not do their job well. I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( So in conclusion: If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis SBS version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a more simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in and make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 12 12:06:13 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:06:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or you could move to sunny San Diego: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/sof/1543952098.html R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? << She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No health insurance through her company. >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << Har! >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new >> client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. << Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? > > Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. > > "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out > about it. :) > > In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY > clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would > be true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In > 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less > operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients > keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what > to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset > the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, > maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 12:32:03 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:32:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> John, >> It's fairly obvious that 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system this system Or << Doesn't look like you finished your thought, there, pardner! >> If their server has a quality RAID system... << That appears to be debatable. What I was confused by was that the guys who installed the server (which took a HELL of a long time to do...formatting the RAID array took something like 12 hours on-site. They didn't have the smarts to do that at their shop!) speced out such a small RAID array...I believe it's only 70 GB. The 500 GB data drive doesn't have its own RAID array. Why they couldn't have made a RAID array to provide 500 GB is beyond me. I can't believe that they RECOMMENDED it. How is the business owner supposed to know? They also speced out only 4 GB of RAM. My old network admin had Janet's boss buy another 8 GB right away and that fixed some of the performance issues. I think that Janet has tried to get reliable image backups with so many different versions of Casper and Acronis now, that she's run into the problem of the VSS being hosed because of Acronis and not being able to completely uninstall it. This all makes Janet very crabby at times. I simply fail to see why such a small server should have so many backup problems. There's something going on here that the various software support folks just aren't touching. That is, Casper and Acronis. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > My comments: > A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is > capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. > > Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going > on > that workstations and regular server does not. > > While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also > think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend > on > the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are mostly > for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only be > considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery > option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system > from the backups. > > > I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a server/client/network > is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that > 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system > this > system > Or > 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their > recommendations > did not do their job well. > > I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( > > > So in conclusion: > If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis SBS > version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a more > simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in and > make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! > > From rustykh at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 12:54:47 2010 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:54:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438673.45288.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In my case, to save an hour or two of full system restoration time isn't worth the expense of the backup software. These are pretty small installations I'm dealing with. ________________________________ From: Steve Erbach To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:32:31 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rusty, >> Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but I'm getting good backups. << That just KILLS me!! After all this time and all those myriad server crashes over the years, one would think that a bootable backup drive would be so desirable that companies would be screaming for that type of product. Is OS restoration followed by restoration of backup tapes or Windows backups a plot by IT types to keep their jobs? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote: > I haven't installed an SBS 2008 server yet, but in SBS 2003 I've just used > the built in windows backup and swap external USB drives to backup to. > Yeah, it's slower to restore because you have to restore the OS first but > I'm getting good backups. I've had to restore a few files at times so it > gets tested. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Erbach > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:04:12 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Max, > > Well, the whole idea of using a clone/image-type backup is that the backup > drive is bootable. THAT'S the potential huge time-saver here. XCOPY > doesn't do that. > > Steve Erbach > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > DOS XCopy32 will do it all - with switches for incremental backup. > > You can also schedule it from windows scheduler. > > > > Max > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 16:02:26 2010 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:02:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4B4CB5F2.2070607@earthlink.net> References: <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB5F2.2070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4b4cf0d4.5444f10a.4490.ffff9cd5@mx.google.com> Apply for state aid, badger care MIGHT be available for you, depends on the total household income. You have been paying into these programs for years, why not try and collect some back> Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Steve, >The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health >emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge >financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private >insurance to cover serious hospitalization. Yikes. Consider moving to Canada. PB ----- Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >>> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the >>> > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >>> How's the job hunt going? << >>> > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > >> I have a real simple backup problem solved by using Norton Ghost on each >> machine with their own external HD. I've had to restore specific files >> from >> the Ghost image, so I know that's working. Don't know if the HD failed and >> I had to restore the whole image if it would work. >> >> But the product seems to be very stable. >> >> BTW, this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the >> door >> by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. How's the job hunt going? >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups >> >> Dear Group, >> >> My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. >> She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail >> high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ >> www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has >> no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little >> web >> design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! >> >> Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the >> backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a >> new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. >> That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. >> >> The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business >> Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate >> of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/12/10 07:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/12/10 01:35:00 From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 12 16:27:03 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:27:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4CF737.1070500@earthlink.net> >Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing >signs of increased activity? Roughly parallel with the US, not quite so severely affected b y the meltdown, perhaps because the banking system is better regulated than in the US. PB ----- Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, here's to your good health! > > Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing > signs of increased activity? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > >>> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's >>> > cover the family? << > > She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No > health insurance through her company. > > >>> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave >>> > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << > > [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. > > >>> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I >>> > never > took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << > > Har! > > >>> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new >>> client >>> > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. << > > Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer > PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I > hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's >> cover the family? >> >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave >> the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. >> >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I >> never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out >> about it. :) >> >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client >> by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - >> responded and I hooked one. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve >> Erbach >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups >> >> Rocky, >> >> On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY >> clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the >> > problems crop up. > >>>> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the >>>> >> door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << >> >> If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would >> be true. This backup thing defeats me. >> >> >>>> How's the job hunt going? << >>>> >> Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In >> 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less >> operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients >> keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what >> to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset >> the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, >> maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/12/10 07:35:00 > > From bheid at sc.rr.com Tue Jan 12 20:15:50 2010 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> Message-ID: <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> John, I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other than Vista is pretty easy. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Hi Steve, What technique do you use for doing this? I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP machine. The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a Win98 VM this but would welcome any suggestions. John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 20:22:44 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:22:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, >> Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? << I'm not sure what to look for. When I go to the local Walmart, the parking lot seems as full as it ever was. I haven't been to Barnes and Noble for a while, so I can't comment on retail book sales. I do know that the city of Neenah isn't going to get nearly the same level of state shared revenue as it has in the past...but Neenah has always been well-managed, in my opinion. Certainly better than our sister city, Menasha, which defaulted on a bond issue for its steam generating plant. The number of new IT jobs that I can apply for each week seems to have been steady, though I sort of expected a larger number of them with the new year. That hasn't happened. I have to apply to a couple new places each week to qualify for unemployment. I don't apply for fast food jobs; just for jobs that I'm at least marginally qualified for. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, here's to your good health! > > Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing > signs of increased activity? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? << > > She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No > health insurance through her company. > > >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << > > [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance > thing. > > >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never > took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) > << > > Har! > > >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new > >> client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. << > > Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to > offer > PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I > hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 12 21:02:07 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:02:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> The economic downturn has hit here. We lost our only carwash :o( Now I have to plan my carwashes during my trips. Seriously though, Restaurants have really felt the crunch. A number have gone out of business in surrounding communities and those on my client list are not doing too great either. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Well, here's to your good health! Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? << She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No health insurance through her company. >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << Har! >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new >> client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. << Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? > > Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. > > "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out > about it. :) > > In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY > clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would > be true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In > 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less > operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients > keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what > to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset > the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, > maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 12 21:52:53 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:52:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b701ca9403$e26b0e40$a7412ac0$@net> Steve, >> It's fairly obvious that 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system this system Or << Doesn't look like you finished your thought, there, pardner! --Bad writing is all ;) "did not do their job well." >> If their server has a quality RAID system... << That appears to be debatable. What I was confused by was that the guys who installed the server (which took a HELL of a long time to do...formatting the RAID array took something like 12 hours on-site. They didn't have the smarts to do that at their shop!) speced out such a small RAID array...I believe it's only 70 GB. The 500 GB data drive doesn't have its own RAID array. Why they couldn't have made a RAID array to provide 500 GB is beyond me. I can't believe that they RECOMMENDED it. How is the business owner supposed to know? --Considering how new this is it is hard to believe they installed 70GB drives! They also speced out only 4 GB of RAM. My old network admin had Janet's boss buy another 8 GB right away and that fixed some of the performance issues. --I think having this guy help out Janet at some cost is worth it. They will probably trust him in the future because what he has done so far has given them reason to. I think that Janet has tried to get reliable image backups with so many different versions of Casper and Acronis now, that she's run into the problem of the VSS being hosed because of Acronis and not being able to completely uninstall it. --I hate it when that happens. If you can, go in and scrub Acronis out of the system files and registry and then repair VSS. Is Acronis not willing to help? This all makes Janet very crabby at times. --Can't blame her for that. I simply fail to see why such a small server should have so many backup problems. There's something going on here that the various software support folks just aren't touching. That is, Casper and Acronis. --To tell truth it sounds like they got screwed by the hardware people right from the get-go. Did they custom build this server? Did your old network guy mention anything about non-standard hardware? Mind sending me the name of who did this (offlist) so I never waste my time meeting with them about sub-contracting? I recently picked up a new client that had previously been sold a "server" that was little more than a cheap PC kit from a mail order catalog. Piece of crap. It went down and I temporarily replaced it with a used Dell Dimension (it was all I had on hand) that I had that was ready to be scrapped while waiting for their new server. The Dell ran their system better! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > My comments: > A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is > capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. > > Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going > on > that workstations and regular server does not. > > While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also > think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend > on > the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are mostly > for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only be > considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery > option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system > from the backups. > > > I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a server/client/network > is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that > 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system > this > system > Or > 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their > recommendations > did not do their job well. > > I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( > > > So in conclusion: > If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis SBS > version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a more > simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in and > make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 12 22:08:45 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:08:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005><39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6915D7CAC76B41209F5102C71267EF78@HAL9005> Well, keep the faith. Better times are ahead, they say. The recovery has started here. Housing prices have turned up. Although unemployment is still high. However, if credit card solicitation are any canary, I'm back to an average of two per day from nothing early last year. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? << I'm not sure what to look for. When I go to the local Walmart, the parking lot seems as full as it ever was. I haven't been to Barnes and Noble for a while, so I can't comment on retail book sales. I do know that the city of Neenah isn't going to get nearly the same level of state shared revenue as it has in the past...but Neenah has always been well-managed, in my opinion. Certainly better than our sister city, Menasha, which defaulted on a bond issue for its steam generating plant. The number of new IT jobs that I can apply for each week seems to have been steady, though I sort of expected a larger number of them with the new year. That hasn't happened. I have to apply to a couple new places each week to qualify for unemployment. I don't apply for fast food jobs; just for jobs that I'm at least marginally qualified for. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, here's to your good health! > > Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you > seeing signs of increased activity? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't > >> Janet's > cover the family? << > > She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No > health insurance through her company. > > >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << > > [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance > thing. > > >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! > >> I > never > took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. > :) << > > Har! > > >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new > >> client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. << > > Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to > offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several > weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 03:06:55 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:06:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I am reading this thread with baited breath. ( By they way, is that the correct spelling of baited, should it be bated, as in unabated. Haha, I just googled this question, and if you do not mind, I will leave it here for amusement http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bated-breath.html ) Back to the thread. First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or if I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I will be good to go. To Bobby:My brother is trying to convince me to switch to VMWare instead of VM by MS, including the HyperV Services that I am happy with on W2k8. Do you think that VM ware is better, If so, should I try to install from scratch or can I load it on top of W2k8. I get the impression from a first pass on the VM ware site that there are two breeds of VM ware, on that installs over an existing OS and one that installs on a bare metal box - is that a correct assumption? If so, I have to assume that the bare metal box is much better. To All: This year I build a number of VM machines, Win2k3, 2k8, Vista, Win7, XP Pro etc. My experience was pretty much good. I can use them as IIS Servers, SQL Servers etc with no probs. However, when I try to use the Vista or the W7 machine as a Front End machine, IOW as a machine where the primary function is to server a fast GUI then I was dis-satasfied. IOW, I can use it for a few minutes or hours even, but when I was the sort of response time you get from a native machine, the VM was not giving it. Sure it can load MS word or VS2008, but I found small delays of 1/2 second to be tireseome when traversing VS2008 or SSMS etc. IOW, my personal summary was for rapid response from a GUI stick with physical machine, but the VM were really really good as a second choice. I built up a library of machine that I do not touch, and a second library that I use, but can delete and replace with the clean machine at anytime. One last thing, you can move machines from Virtual Server to HyperV, but you have to re-activate Windows when you move them. One other last thing, since I saw how good HyperV is, I do not wish to ever use Virtual Server again. AFAIK, HyperV requires W2k8 Hope someone benefits from this and you do not have to wait with bated breath again like me:) Mark 2010/1/13 Bobby Heid > John, > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other than > Vista is pretty easy. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hi Steve, > What technique do you use for doing this? > > I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP > machine. > > The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. > > My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and > see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used > applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is > a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this > until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which > are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need > to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. > > I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a > Win98 > VM this but would welcome any suggestions. > > John B. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 03:07:47 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:07:47 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120925h6bea87d5r77e64b4123da1ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <39cb22f31001120925h6bea87d5r77e64b4123da1ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Steve, 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > Mr. President, > > I am honored, sir, to offer my poor knowledge to help you out! > Ha ha, I love it, Mark > > This applies to Microsoft Virtual PC. > > I used two free products to create VHDs from existing *Windows XP > Pro*systems: WinImage ( > http://www.winimage.com/download.htm) and Sysinternals Disk2vhd ( > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx). When I > ran > these programs on my old workstations, I simply saved the VHDs on my main > system over the network. > > Then I created the VMs and used an ISO of the Windows XP installation disk > on each VM to do a repair installation of XP. I presume that you know that > that DOESN'T mean that first "repair" or recover choice on the first > Windows > installation screen. You have to pick a regular install of Windows...then > the installation program detects that a version of Windows already exists > and that you want to repair the existing installation. > > Those are the two basic steps. I had a hell of a time with my second > attempt at doing this since the physical workstation's hard disk had > registry errors. But after I ran PCTools Registry Mechanic, I used > Disk2vhd > to make the VHD and then successfully did a Windows repair and voil?! > > I tried doing the same process with an old Windows 95 laptop but I haven't > been successful. Maybe a repair installation of Windows 98 would work, I > don't know from personal experience. I, like Drew, have got multiple > Windows VMs: Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, and 7 to go along with the two > "conversion" VMs I mentioned. I also have a DOS VM I made with Drew's > help. > Installing those versions of Windows and DOS was pretty straightforward. > > For older versions of Windows I did need to use the older version of > Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 to get the Virtual Machine Additions to work. > > Does that help? > > I would also say that DOS apps run well under Windows XP, even ones that > use > memory-resident utilities. Windows 98 ran DOS apps better than Windows > 2000 > did, but XP outshines either by a long way. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Bartow wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > What technique do you use for doing this? > > > > I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP > > machine. > > > > The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. > > > > My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it > and > > see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little > used > > applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this > is > > a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this > > until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs > which > > are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I > need > > to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. > > > > I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a > > Win98 > > VM this but would welcome any suggestions. > > > > John B. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 03:23:45 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:23:45 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Steve, I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked well for three years now. This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as DeltaCopy only copies differences. 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A to a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you are ready to go. These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is stored on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or all equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter as a point in time archive. Hope that helps somewhat, Mark 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, > I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been > downsized > from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up > and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a > Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a > couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup > software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which > edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the > personal edition since it was only $50. > > Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she > was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to > setting up a schedule for unattended backups. > > Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about > $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy > of > the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes > took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. > > She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day > trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, > Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When > she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled > somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. > She's > been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech > Edition will work properly. > > One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data > drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the > 500 > TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two > production > drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough > room > on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, > apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs > extra > drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. > > Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups > and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she > has of the way these image backup programs work. > > So, here are the questions: > > 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in > backup drives? > 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are > SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? > 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? > 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with > Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? > 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of > cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? > > > That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying > that the hardware doesn't fail. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 03:39:45 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:39:45 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Steve, I should hare stressed one point here. ServerA has mirrored disks, so if I loose a disk, I should not loose the server. (machine B is the same BTW). But the big worry is always if anything goes wrong with ServerA, motherboard, video card, raid controller etc, I could loose the entire machine and it could takes days and days to get back from a failed raid controller. With machineB type configuration, I have a hot, ready to go, file sharing machine, that would allow 90% of the company to be backup up and running in minutes, and I could fix ServerA at my leisure. Oh One other thing, first thing I did when I went on-site three years ago was migrate the company off their old creaking Exchange Server and outlook, and move everything to Google App for Domains, so I have zero worries about backuping up or restoring their email systems. This is DeltaCopy http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp and if you do not like that, have a look at SyncToy by MS http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=c26efa36-98e0-4ee9-a7c5-98d0592d8c52&displaylang=en thanks Mark 2010/1/13 Mark Breen > Hello Steve, > > I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell > you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. > > 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror > certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked well > for three years now. > This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the > frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as > DeltaCopy only copies differences. > > 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A > to a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For > connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and > even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you are > ready to go. > > These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully > automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is stored > on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we > might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has access > to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or all > equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. > > 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter as > a point in time archive. > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > Mark > > > 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > > Dear Group, >> >> My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. >> She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail >> high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ >> www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really >> has >> no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little >> web >> design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! >> >> Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the >> backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a >> new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. >> That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. >> >> The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business >> Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a >> roommate >> of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? >> >> Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was >> installed, >> I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been >> downsized >> from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up >> and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a >> Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a >> couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup >> software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which >> edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the >> personal edition since it was only $50. >> >> Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she >> was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to >> setting up a schedule for unattended backups. >> >> Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally >> about >> $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy >> of >> the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes >> took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. >> >> She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day >> trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, >> Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. >> When >> she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was >> disabled >> somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. >> She's >> been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper >> Tech >> Edition will work properly. >> >> One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data >> drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the >> 500 >> TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two >> production >> drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough >> room >> on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, >> apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs >> extra >> drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. >> >> Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups >> and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she >> has of the way these image backup programs work. >> >> So, here are the questions: >> >> 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in >> backup drives? >> 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are >> SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? >> 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? >> 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with >> Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? >> 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of >> cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? >> >> >> That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and >> praying >> that the hardware doesn't fail. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:39:16 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:39:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <00b701ca9403$e26b0e40$a7412ac0$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> <00b701ca9403$e26b0e40$a7412ac0$@net> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001130639j52152170je488f33cda7fcfd0@mail.gmail.com> John, I was mistaken about the setup of Janet's server: its entire hard disk (>500 GB) is RAID 5, but it's been partitioned into a 70 GB applications drive and about 500 GB for data. My mistake. The server is a bona fide new HP server with all the fancy-schmancy extras like redundant power supplies, SAS 2.5" drives in a RAID 5 array, sneeze-through wind vents, and chrome fender dents. The server had some problems right out of the box because of a faulty UPS. Caused quite a few crashes early in the game. This was the first SBS 2008 installation for these guys. Clearly they don't know much, but the owner of the store did them a favor. Perhaps the idea of a bootable backup disk is a chimera. I was saying to Janet last night that if it were such a good idea then why don't more companies use it? I understand that server farms would be a bit of a poser...but, again, this situation seems tailor-made for a bootable backup...something that will cause the de facto network administrator the fewest headaches. As far as the fellow who recommended 12 GB of RAM on the server, he's brilliant but impossible to get ahold of. He also seemed to think that just regular home edition Casper would do the trick for the server. I don't have the knowledge of servers to know WHY home edition Casper isn't good enough. I'm going to check with Janet in a few minutes. Apparently, Casper Technical Edition started a backup last night with no problems. I don't know if it actually finished, though. >> --I hate it when that happens. If you can, go in and scrub Acronis out of the system files and registry and then repair VSS. Is Acronis not willing to help? << I've helped Janet find some technical help on-line. I don't know whether Acronis is willing to help. Janet is a bit impatient and would far rather have someone on the phone on whom she could focus her laser-like discontent. The pace of emails and such is like slow death for her. But I think she has made some progress on the VSS front. At least that Casper backup started last night. That means that the Windows VSS appears to be operating and that the Acronis custom (bastardized) version has been eradicated. I just wonder whether it's like poison ivy and is just waiting for next season to grow again! >> I recently picked up a new client that had previously been sold a "server" that was little more than a cheap PC kit from a mail order catalog. Piece of crap. It went down and I temporarily replaced it with a used Dell Dimension (it was all I had on hand) that I had that was ready to be scrapped while waiting for their new server. The Dell ran their system better! << I spent a fair amount of my time in the computer biz selling PCs ('83 - '90). I know for a fact that there were 286 class machines used as servers in the old days, before Microsoft acquired NetManager or whatever it was called and turned it into Windows networking. Granted, the things that have been added to servers these days are definite advancements in the art...but "servers" could be and were all sorts of various systems. I had a plain-jane 486 as a Netware file server for some years in our home office. Thanks for commiserating, Mr. President! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:52 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > > >> It's fairly obvious that > 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system > this > system > Or << > > Doesn't look like you finished your thought, there, pardner! > > --Bad writing is all ;) "did not do their job well." > > >> If their server has a quality RAID system... << > > That appears to be debatable. What I was confused by was that the guys who > installed the server (which took a HELL of a long time to do...formatting > the RAID array took something like 12 hours on-site. They didn't have the > smarts to do that at their shop!) speced out such a small RAID array...I > believe it's only 70 GB. The 500 GB data drive doesn't have its own RAID > array. Why they couldn't have made a RAID array to provide 500 GB is > beyond > me. I can't believe that they RECOMMENDED it. How is the business owner > supposed to know? > > --Considering how new this is it is hard to believe they installed 70GB > drives! > > They also speced out only 4 GB of RAM. My old network admin had Janet's > boss buy another 8 GB right away and that fixed some of the performance > issues. > > --I think having this guy help out Janet at some cost is worth it. They > will > probably trust him in the future because what he has done so far has given > them reason to. > > I think that Janet has tried to get reliable image backups with so many > different versions of Casper and Acronis now, that she's run into the > problem of the VSS being hosed because of Acronis and not being able to > completely uninstall it. > > --I hate it when that happens. If you can, go in and scrub Acronis out of > the system files and registry and then repair VSS. Is Acronis not willing > to > help? > > This all makes Janet very crabby at times. > > --Can't blame her for that. > > I simply fail to see why such a small server should have so many backup > problems. There's something going on here that the various software > support > folks just aren't touching. That is, Casper and Acronis. > > --To tell truth it sounds like they got screwed by the hardware people > right > from the get-go. Did they custom build this server? Did your old network > guy > mention anything about non-standard hardware? Mind sending me the name of > who did this (offlist) so I never waste my time meeting with them about > sub-contracting? I recently picked up a new client that had previously been > sold a "server" that was little more than a cheap PC kit from a mail order > catalog. Piece of crap. It went down and I temporarily replaced it with a > used Dell Dimension (it was all I had on hand) that I had that was ready to > be scrapped while waiting for their new server. The Dell ran their system > better! > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John Bartow wrote: > > > Steve, > > My comments: > > A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is > > capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. > > > > Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going > > on > > that workstations and regular server does not. > > > > While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also > > think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend > > on > > the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are > mostly > > for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only > be > > considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery > > option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system > > from the backups. > > > > > > I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a > server/client/network > > is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that > > 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system > > this > > system > > Or > > 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their > > recommendations > > did not do their job well. > > > > I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( > > > > > > So in conclusion: > > If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis > SBS > > version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a > more > > simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in > and > > make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! > From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:45:53 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:45:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001130645y554e59abx5eae26b64020840b@mail.gmail.com> Mark, >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a black art as security, methinks. That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second HP server. >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are good to go. << That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got all of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server to a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the backup drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile dictu! The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and printer definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that type of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking my head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup task as stated. Thanks for your input, Mark. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Steve, > > I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell > you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. > > 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror > certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked > well > for three years now. > This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the > frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as > DeltaCopy only copies differences. > > 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A > to > a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For > connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and > even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you are > ready to go. > > These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully > automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is stored > on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we > might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has access > to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or > all > equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. > > 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter as > a point in time archive. > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > Mark > > > 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > > > Dear Group, > > > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really > has > > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > > web > > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had > a > > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:46:50 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:46:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001130646k192e5845x32f89d4f8fd05929@mail.gmail.com> Mark, I will take a look at Google Apps for Domains. Thanks. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Steve, > > I should hare stressed one point here. > > ServerA has mirrored disks, so if I loose a disk, I should not loose the > server. (machine B is the same BTW). But the big worry is always if > anything goes wrong with ServerA, motherboard, video card, raid controller > etc, I could loose the entire machine and it could takes days and days to > get back from a failed raid controller. > > With machineB type configuration, I have a hot, ready to go, file sharing > machine, that would allow 90% of the company to be backup up and running in > minutes, and I could fix ServerA at my leisure. > > Oh One other thing, first thing I did when I went on-site three years ago > was migrate the company off their old creaking Exchange Server and outlook, > and move everything to Google App for Domains, so I have zero worries about > backuping up or restoring their email systems. > > This is DeltaCopy http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp > > and if you do not like that, have a look at SyncToy by MS > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=c26efa36-98e0-4ee9-a7c5-98d0592d8c52&displaylang=en > > > thanks > > Mark > > > From jerbach at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 09:39:24 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:39:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Hello! We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor and 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer not a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some serious performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at best, and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds for windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the background to cause it. Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for performance issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be custom-tweaked to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we use sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring and for WSUS). Thanks! Janet Erbach IT Administrator Natural Healthy Concepts www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 10:36:14 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:36:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001130836ic566a21n8cd3d429d1bcc554@mail.gmail.com> Mark, >> First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or if I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I will be good to go. << I'm sorry if I confused the issue. John asked about Windows 98. I have not converted a Windows 98 machine to a VM...I've only done it successfully with two Windows XP Pro machines. I had to dig out the XP disk because converting an existing physical XP machine to a VM requires that Windows XP be informed as to the different hardware available to it. It's similar to extracting a Windows hard disk from one machine and installing it into a completely different PC and trying to get it to boot. You have to run a repair on Windows to get it to recognize the new hardware and install the necessary drivers. The Sysinternals Disk2vhd program simply converts the existing hard disk to a VHD file with no alteration of the contents of the drive. The repair has to be done on Windows to get it to boot as a VM using Microsoft Virtual PC. My educated guess would be that something similar has to be done with any other virtualizing software before a converted bootable drive can be made to run under a virtualization scheme. My 2nd XP machine that I converted to a VM was a royal pain in the neck because its registry was a little flaky. I finally used PCTools Registry Mechanic to iron out its wobbles. That allowed a "clean" VHD to be created. THEN I could repair the Windows install. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I am reading this thread with baited breath. > > ( > By they way, is that the correct spelling of baited, should it be bated, as > in unabated. > > Haha, I just googled this question, and if you do not mind, I will leave it > here for amusement > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm > http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bated-breath.html > > ) > > > Back to the thread. > > First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a > repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not > have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I > want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or if > I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I > will > be good to go. > > To Bobby:My brother is trying to convince me to switch to VMWare instead of > VM by MS, including the HyperV Services that I am happy with on W2k8. Do > you think that VM ware is better, If so, should I try to install from > scratch or can I load it on top of W2k8. I get the impression from a first > pass on the VM ware site that there are two breeds of VM ware, on that > installs over an existing OS and one that installs on a bare metal box - is > that a correct assumption? If so, I have to assume that the bare metal box > is much better. > > > To All: > This year I build a number of VM machines, Win2k3, 2k8, Vista, Win7, XP Pro > etc. My experience was pretty much good. I can use them as IIS Servers, > SQL Servers etc with no probs. However, when I try to use the Vista or the > W7 machine as a Front End machine, IOW as a machine where the primary > function is to server a fast GUI then I was dis-satasfied. IOW, I can use > it for a few minutes or hours even, but when I was the sort of response > time > you get from a native machine, the VM was not giving it. Sure it can load > MS word or VS2008, but I found small delays of 1/2 second to be tireseome > when traversing VS2008 or SSMS etc. > > IOW, my personal summary was for rapid response from a GUI stick with > physical machine, but the VM were really really good as a second choice. > > I built up a library of machine that I do not touch, and a second library > that I use, but can delete and replace with the clean machine at anytime. > > One last thing, you can move machines from Virtual Server to HyperV, but > you > have to re-activate Windows when you move them. > One other last thing, since I saw how good HyperV is, I do not wish to ever > use Virtual Server again. > AFAIK, HyperV requires W2k8 > > Hope someone benefits from this and you do not have to wait with bated > breath again like me:) > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Bobby Heid > > > John, > > > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to > > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great > > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other than > > Vista is pretty easy. > > > > Bobby > From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 10:38:13 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:38:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001130838w3259f3e9p4be9692cf48b1af8@mail.gmail.com> Bobby, Are you saying that you restored from the Ghost image to the "fresh" virtual machine you created and voil?! The newly restored VM booted up without a hitch? Did the "fresh" virtual drive have to be prepped in any way? That is, did you "format" it first? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Bobby Heid wrote: > John, > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other than > Vista is pretty easy. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hi Steve, > What technique do you use for doing this? > > I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP > machine. > > The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. > > My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and > see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used > applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is > a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this > until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which > are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need > to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. > > I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a > Win98 > VM this but would welcome any suggestions. > > John B. > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 17:11:55 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:11:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve: Why not go the contractor route. Businesses are much more likely to take on a short-term contract and when you are finished you are gone... It is a lot cheaper for them and they are happy...but they pay you a premium price for the time you are there. If you get enough steady clients, you end up being paid a lot more than any regular staff, work a lot less, you can specialize in the type of work you like, get to do a lot more interesting jobs, no office politics to tolerate and you get treated better than regular staff. The only downside is that you have to keep you books and billing updated but after a few months you stop noticing the inconvenience. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? << I'm not sure what to look for. When I go to the local Walmart, the parking lot seems as full as it ever was. I haven't been to Barnes and Noble for a while, so I can't comment on retail book sales. I do know that the city of Neenah isn't going to get nearly the same level of state shared revenue as it has in the past...but Neenah has always been well-managed, in my opinion. Certainly better than our sister city, Menasha, which defaulted on a bond issue for its steam generating plant. The number of new IT jobs that I can apply for each week seems to have been steady, though I sort of expected a larger number of them with the new year. That hasn't happened. I have to apply to a couple new places each week to qualify for unemployment. I don't apply for fast food jobs; just for jobs that I'm at least marginally qualified for. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, here's to your good health! > > Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing > signs of increased activity? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? << > > She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No > health insurance through her company. > > >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << > > [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance > thing. > > >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never > took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) > << > > Har! > > >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new > >> client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. << > > Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to > offer > PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I > hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 17:17:57 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:17:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> Message-ID: Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid (at least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for life. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups The economic downturn has hit here. We lost our only carwash :o( Now I have to plan my carwashes during my trips. Seriously though, Restaurants have really felt the crunch. A number have gone out of business in surrounding communities and those on my client list are not doing too great either. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Well, here's to your good health! Are economic conditions up there still pretty moribund or are you seeing signs of increased activity? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Rocky, >> The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's cover the family? << She may have gotten a 40% raise recently but she's only part-time. No health insurance through her company. >> Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. << [Sigh!] I think you know my feelings on the national health insurance thing. >> "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out about it. :) << Har! >> In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new >> client by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - responded and I hooked one. << Hmm. Interesting idea. I tried posting a Craigslist ad for myself to offer PC revitalization for a flat fee...got no takers after several weeks. I hadn't thought about trolling for clients on it. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > The insurance thing sounds like a real high wire act. Doesn't Janet's > cover the family? > > Maybe the House/Senate reconciliation of the health bill will leave > the 'Medicare at 55' thing in. > > "If I knew something substantive about Windows Server" FAKE IT!!! I > never took a job that I knew how to do. And no one ever found out > about it. :) > > In the meantime can you pump your consulting? I just got a new client > by looking in Craig's list - saw 3-4 people looking for Access help - > responded and I hooked one. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY > clone/image-type program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would > be true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In > 35 days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less > operating as a sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients > keeping food on the table. The big question mark, of course, is what > to do if a health emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset > the possible huge financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, > maybe, to afford private insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 17:35:48 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:35:48 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A couple of years ago I installed a version of Windows Onecare on one station. It worked very well so I paid the $49.00 for a site licence and now backup all my stations to the servers. When the backup process first runs it builds a complete copy of your computer, on the backup computer and after that just does an incremental backup. It also handles the virus and firewall protection and does regular updates of itself. I have heard nothing good or bad about the Onecare product as it seems to float below the radar but it is just fine for me. On the other hand the DeltaCopy product seems like an excellent network/internet product/solution worthy of further investigation. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hello Steve, I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked well for three years now. This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as DeltaCopy only copies differences. 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A to a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you are ready to go. These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is stored on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or all equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter as a point in time archive. Hope that helps somewhat, Mark 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > Dear Group, > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really has > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a little > web > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss had a > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 system. > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > The company that installed the server had never installed Small Business > Server 2008 before...but the co-owner of the computer company is a roommate > of one of the boss's employees...so, lets give the kid a chance, eh? > > Well, they haven't been much help. Shortly after the server was installed, > I persuaded the network administrator of the place I had just been > downsized > from to come in on a weekend and take a look at the server and speed it up > and offer suggestions. He had recommended a backup system based on a > Thermaltake BlacX eSATA and USB docking station. Janet's boss purchased a > couple 500 GB Seagate drives to cycle in the docking station. For backup > software, the network admin recommended Casper. He didn't specify which > edition of Casper to use...so Janet's boss authorized the purchase of the > personal edition since it was only $50. > > Janet was able to get successful backups with Casper a few times...but she > was continually frustrated because NOTHING seemed to work with respect to > setting up a schedule for unattended backups. > > Lately she became a beta tester for the Casper Tech Edition, normally about > $550. As a "reward" for being a beta tester, her company got a free copy > of > the new version. This has also been a spotty performer. Casper sometimes > took over 12 hours to make a complete backup. > > She also tried Acronis Backup and Recovery 10 Server. There was a 15-day > trial edition. That installation exacerbated her problems. Apparently, > Acronis replaces the Windows Volume Shadow Copy with its own version. When > she went to un-install Acronis, the Volume Shadow Copy service was disabled > somehow and now Casper has even more problems since it relies on VSS. > She's > been trying to re-enable the Volume Shadow Copy service so that Casper Tech > Edition will work properly. > > One more thing: the server has a 70 GB SAS RAID 5 array and a 500 GB data > drive. Janet has attempted to backup both of these drives to one of the > 500 > TB drives in the docking station since ALL the space on those two > production > drives isn't used up. Acronis would often say that there wasn't enough > room > on the backup drive and abort. Another little "feature" of Acronis, > apparently, is that it makes a temporary image during backup and needs > extra > drive space...at least that's my (limited) understanding. > > Janet's boss has purchased a couple more 500 GB drives to use for backups > and Janet is juggling those as best she can with the limited knowledge she > has of the way these image backup programs work. > > So, here are the questions: > > 1. what do you think of using an external docking station to plug in > backup drives? > 2. what do you think of the cloning-type backup solutions that are > SUPPOSED to make bootable backups of a server? > 3. what do YOU use to backup your servers? > 4. what positive/negative experiences have you had with > Acronis/Casper/Ghost/etc.? > 5. should Janet recommend buying 1 TB drives for backups instead of > cramming two drives onto a 500 GB backup drive? > > > That'll do for now! This has been 9 or 10 months of struggling and praying > that the hardware doesn't fail. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 18:02:41 2010 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:02:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f31001131602v14388352r8095ee4f219e3d87@mail.gmail.com> Jim L., Well, I ran my own business for 15 years, so I'm familiar with the routine. I'm just a mediocre to poor businessman. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Steve: > > Why not go the contractor route. Businesses are much more likely to take on > a short-term contract and when you are finished you are gone... It is a lot > cheaper for them and they are happy...but they pay you a premium price for > the time you are there. > > If you get enough steady clients, you end up being paid a lot more than any > regular staff, work a lot less, you can specialize in the type of work you > like, get to do a lot more interesting jobs, no office politics to tolerate > and you get treated better than regular staff. The only downside is that > you > have to keep you books and billing updated but after a few months you stop > noticing the inconvenience. > > Jim > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 20:10:53 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:10:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4b4cb631.0aa1660a.755b.ffffe3e4@mx.google.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <4b4caf31.1701d00a.0f5b.ffffce3d@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120926u6bc071a3jfe68d0a052edc7b1@mail.gmail.com> <4b4cb631.0aa1660a.755b.ffffe3e4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I do not know which Jim you are talking about but I do know there is a lot of multiuser with multitasking going on in a Server and multiple services which are not going on in a desktop. The only real way to do a full server image is to go off-line. It is harder to shut down a server when a full backup is needed as it is usually the core to any operation so that type of work is usually late night work... Most bigger companies, have multiple synced servers, which use hardware syncing (RAID 7) so that one or more servers can be down when a full image is needed to be performed. (Most IT people, that I have ran in to, do not trust these shadow backup applications to do a full or complete job on a server.) It seems that companies are more concerned with their data than with the actual server OS. One more point that a lot of first time Techs do not understand is that if you use Active directory you need a backup server that is also using Active directory to sync. Otherwise in the event of a server crash there is no way to recover AD... other than full install from scratch... all groups, policies, services passwords etc must then be reinstalled. My understanding is that the small business server can not sync Active Directories among its other faults. I used that package once and never again so I am not in a position to either recommend or condemn its latest versions. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:50 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Yeah, yeah, marketing scam or reality. Where is Jim? He will know. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 12 January 2010 17:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Max, Well, that's a good question. Apparently there *IS* a difference. Casper and Acronis sell versions specifically for servers. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why is a server any different? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 12 January 2010 17:11 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Rocky, > > On individual workstations I'm sure that just about ANY clone/image-type > program works just fine. It's on a SERVER that the problems crop up. > > >> this place sounds like an idea opportunity to get your foot in the > door by doing a lot of pro bono stuff for them. << > > If I knew something substantive about Windows Server maybe that would be > true. This backup thing defeats me. > > >> How's the job hunt going? << > > Nada. I've officially applied for 94 jobs since I was downsized. In 35 > days it'll be one year since that event. I'm more-or-less operating as a > sole proprietor again with two of my oldest clients keeping food on the > table. The big question mark, of course, is what to do if a health > emergency happens. No insurance to somewhat offset the possible huge > financial burden. In a few months we'll be able, maybe, to afford private > insurance to cover serious hospitalization. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 20:33:59 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:33:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> Message-ID: I will concur with on this one John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Steve, My comments: A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going on that workstations and regular server does not. While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend on the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are mostly for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only be considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system from the backups. I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a server/client/network is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system this system Or 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their recommendations did not do their job well. I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( So in conclusion: If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis SBS version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a more simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in and make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 20:46:18 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:46:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <4b4ca753.0a04d00a.3b06.fffff756@mx.google.com> <39cb22f31001120904p21886d42k4ff5ea1c8c96c63e@mail.gmail.com> <961844.41173.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <39cb22f31001120932y6942bb7bv3092a89412207018@mail.gmail.com> <022201ca93b1$dcb2cbc0$96186340$@net> <39cb22f31001121032u2dfcc5d4p2c6a00816331482e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C1165EB7ACC4F929DB07B5D58454D42@creativesystemdesigns.com> Steve: If the client went on the cheap or the drives are huge, the RAID array and/or controller (A good RAID Dell controller can cost up to 6K) re-stripping a set of drives can take days... definitely a weekend project. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups John, >> It's fairly obvious that 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system this system Or << Doesn't look like you finished your thought, there, pardner! >> If their server has a quality RAID system... << That appears to be debatable. What I was confused by was that the guys who installed the server (which took a HELL of a long time to do...formatting the RAID array took something like 12 hours on-site. They didn't have the smarts to do that at their shop!) speced out such a small RAID array...I believe it's only 70 GB. The 500 GB data drive doesn't have its own RAID array. Why they couldn't have made a RAID array to provide 500 GB is beyond me. I can't believe that they RECOMMENDED it. How is the business owner supposed to know? They also speced out only 4 GB of RAM. My old network admin had Janet's boss buy another 8 GB right away and that fixed some of the performance issues. I think that Janet has tried to get reliable image backups with so many different versions of Casper and Acronis now, that she's run into the problem of the VSS being hosed because of Acronis and not being able to completely uninstall it. This all makes Janet very crabby at times. I simply fail to see why such a small server should have so many backup problems. There's something going on here that the various software support folks just aren't touching. That is, Casper and Acronis. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > My comments: > A server of this magnitude should be comprised of a RAID system that is > capable of recovering from on HD failure without hassle. > > Acronis has a version specifically for SBS. SBS has a lot of things going > on > that workstations and regular server does not. > > While I agree that having a bootable image backup is a great idea, I also > think that if the imaging idea is not working out then move on and depend > on > the RAID to be your HD disaster recovery method. Regular backups are mostly > for file recovery and, in lieu of an image backup, should probably only be > considered useful for that. Most backup apps include a disaster recovery > option where they can be booted from removal media and rebuild the system > from the backups. > > > I realize this is post mortem but the planning for a server/client/network > is the number one most important part. It's fairly obvious that > 1. the company they hired to supply the hardware and install the system > this > system > Or > 2. if they did, the person who made the decision to not follow their > recommendations > did not do their job well. > > I feel Janet's (and your vicarious) pain on this :o( > > > So in conclusion: > If there the server has a quality RAID system and you can't get Acronis SBS > version to operate effectively - give up on the imaging and move to a more > simple file backup system. SBS has one built in. I wish I could stop in and > make it all better for Janet! Best of luck my friend! > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 20:53:26 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:53:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Janet: I will forward this post to a friend who is a GURU in Windows Servers... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Hello! We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor and 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer not a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some serious performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at best, and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds for windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the background to cause it. Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for performance issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be custom-tweaked to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we use sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring and for WSUS). Thanks! Janet Erbach IT Administrator Natural Healthy Concepts www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 21:11:34 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001131602v14388352r8095ee4f219e3d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001131602v14388352r8095ee4f219e3d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh really, Steve?... probably not enough arrogance. Maybe you should look for a partner to be the front end man/lady... just kidding. I find you have to specialize. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Jim L., Well, I ran my own business for 15 years, so I'm familiar with the routine. I'm just a mediocre to poor businessman. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Steve: > > Why not go the contractor route. Businesses are much more likely to take on > a short-term contract and when you are finished you are gone... It is a lot > cheaper for them and they are happy...but they pay you a premium price for > the time you are there. > > If you get enough steady clients, you end up being paid a lot more than any > regular staff, work a lot less, you can specialize in the type of work you > like, get to do a lot more interesting jobs, no office politics to tolerate > and you get treated better than regular staff. The only downside is that > you > have to keep you books and billing updated but after a few months you stop > noticing the inconvenience. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 13 21:29:58 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:29:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In the meantime you should be able to download and run a test server with the copy from the following link: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Servers/Other-Servers/Windows-Small-Bu siness-Server.shtml HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:39 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Hello! We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor and 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer not a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some serious performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at best, and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds for windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the background to cause it. Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for performance issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be custom-tweaked to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we use sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring and for WSUS). Thanks! Janet Erbach IT Administrator Natural Healthy Concepts www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 13 22:14:38 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:14:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001131602v14388352r8095ee4f219e3d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005><39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001121822m2f5bf52dh7bb313b10ac9bd72@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001131602v14388352r8095ee4f219e3d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55C58941900749E5A48A085758846205@HAL9005> You know superior product and service will trump business acumen. IMO. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Jim L., Well, I ran my own business for 15 years, so I'm familiar with the routine. I'm just a mediocre to poor businessman. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Steve: > > Why not go the contractor route. Businesses are much more likely to > take on a short-term contract and when you are finished you are > gone... It is a lot cheaper for them and they are happy...but they pay > you a premium price for the time you are there. > > If you get enough steady clients, you end up being paid a lot more > than any regular staff, work a lot less, you can specialize in the > type of work you like, get to do a lot more interesting jobs, no > office politics to tolerate and you get treated better than regular > staff. The only downside is that you have to keep you books and > billing updated but after a few months you stop noticing the > inconvenience. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 02:59:55 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:59:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001130836ic566a21n8cd3d429d1bcc554@mail.gmail.com> References: <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> <39cb22f31001130836ic566a21n8cd3d429d1bcc554@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steve, that is great news, I will try Sysinternals today Mark 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > Mark, > > >> First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a > repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not > have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I > want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or if > I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I > will > be good to go. << > > I'm sorry if I confused the issue. John asked about Windows 98. I have > not > converted a Windows 98 machine to a VM...I've only done it successfully > with > two Windows XP Pro machines. > > I had to dig out the XP disk because converting an existing physical XP > machine to a VM requires that Windows XP be informed as to the different > hardware available to it. It's similar to extracting a Windows hard disk > from one machine and installing it into a completely different PC and > trying > to get it to boot. You have to run a repair on Windows to get it to > recognize the new hardware and install the necessary drivers. > > The Sysinternals Disk2vhd program simply converts the existing hard disk to > a VHD file with no alteration of the contents of the drive. The repair has > to be done on Windows to get it to boot as a VM using Microsoft Virtual PC. > My educated guess would be that something similar has to be done with any > other virtualizing software before a converted bootable drive can be made > to > run under a virtualization scheme. > > My 2nd XP machine that I converted to a VM was a royal pain in the neck > because its registry was a little flaky. I finally used PCTools Registry > Mechanic to iron out its wobbles. That allowed a "clean" VHD to be > created. > THEN I could repair the Windows install. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I am reading this thread with baited breath. > > > > ( > > By they way, is that the correct spelling of baited, should it be bated, > as > > in unabated. > > > > Haha, I just googled this question, and if you do not mind, I will leave > it > > here for amusement > > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm > > http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bated-breath.html > > > > ) > > > > > > Back to the thread. > > > > First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a > > repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not > > have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I > > want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or > if > > I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I > > will > > be good to go. > > > > To Bobby:My brother is trying to convince me to switch to VMWare instead > of > > VM by MS, including the HyperV Services that I am happy with on W2k8. Do > > you think that VM ware is better, If so, should I try to install from > > scratch or can I load it on top of W2k8. I get the impression from a > first > > pass on the VM ware site that there are two breeds of VM ware, on that > > installs over an existing OS and one that installs on a bare metal box - > is > > that a correct assumption? If so, I have to assume that the bare metal > box > > is much better. > > > > > > To All: > > This year I build a number of VM machines, Win2k3, 2k8, Vista, Win7, XP > Pro > > etc. My experience was pretty much good. I can use them as IIS Servers, > > SQL Servers etc with no probs. However, when I try to use the Vista or > the > > W7 machine as a Front End machine, IOW as a machine where the primary > > function is to server a fast GUI then I was dis-satasfied. IOW, I can > use > > it for a few minutes or hours even, but when I was the sort of response > > time > > you get from a native machine, the VM was not giving it. Sure it can > load > > MS word or VS2008, but I found small delays of 1/2 second to be tireseome > > when traversing VS2008 or SSMS etc. > > > > IOW, my personal summary was for rapid response from a GUI stick with > > physical machine, but the VM were really really good as a second choice. > > > > I built up a library of machine that I do not touch, and a second library > > that I use, but can delete and replace with the clean machine at anytime. > > > > One last thing, you can move machines from Virtual Server to HyperV, but > > you > > have to re-activate Windows when you move them. > > One other last thing, since I saw how good HyperV is, I do not wish to > ever > > use Virtual Server again. > > AFAIK, HyperV requires W2k8 > > > > Hope someone benefits from this and you do not have to wait with bated > > breath again like me:) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Bobby Heid > > > > > John, > > > > > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to > > > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great > > > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other > than > > > Vista is pretty easy. > > > > > > Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 14 03:14:12 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:14:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Message-ID: Hi all You may decide to run your server as a virtual machine. Create a snapshot of the machine and you are done. At least with VMware. The real power of this is, that once the snapshot has been made it can be copied to anywhere else. This means that you can have some alternative hardware and power it up with the ESXi or a host OS that supports VMware and create a virtual machine and load your snapshot. Restore your latest data backup (or move your NAS) and you are in business. /gustav From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 03:46:22 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:46:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Janet, In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and if it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something is using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. (I doubt it) 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. Does your machine come back to life? Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it will be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process that was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it was re-booted, it was OK. In summary, have you approx 9 GB ram free? on average is 99% of CPU resources free? Thanks Mark 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > Hello! > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor > and > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer not > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > serious > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > best, > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds for > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > background to cause it. > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for performance > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > custom-tweaked > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we use > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring > and > for WSUS). > > Thanks! > > Janet Erbach > IT Administrator > Natural Healthy Concepts > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 03:53:23 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:53:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001130645y554e59abx5eae26b64020840b@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001130645y554e59abx5eae26b64020840b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Steve, Sorry, I did not make one point clear. machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than 300 usd. If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can keep the 2nd set of hot backups off site. A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on site, then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a daily basis. BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. Mark 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > Mark, > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a > black art as security, methinks. > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second HP > server. > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are > good to go. << > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got all > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server to > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the > backup > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile dictu! > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and printer > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that type > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking > my > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup > task as stated. > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Steve, > > > > I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell > > you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. > > > > 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror > > certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked > > well > > for three years now. > > This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the > > frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as > > DeltaCopy only copies differences. > > > > 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A > > to > > a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For > > connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and > > even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you > are > > ready to go. > > > > These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully > > automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is > stored > > on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and > we > > might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has > access > > to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or > > all > > equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. > > > > 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter > as > > a point in time archive. > > > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > > > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > > > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really > > has > > > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a > little > > > web > > > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > > > > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > > > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss > had > > a > > > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 > system. > > > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 14 11:39:11 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:39:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> Message-ID: <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with a client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid (at least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for life. Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 03:04:50 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:04:50 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: Hey, Nice one John, It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost ?0 over a five year period. I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not really seem happy with it. Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) Mark 2010/1/14 John Bartow > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with > a > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > (at > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > life. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 03:16:44 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:16:44 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Django Anyone? Message-ID: Hello All, I recently heard about a framework named Django. As some that is only really a MS person, and little exposure to outside that world, has anyone any experience of this project? Any feedback or reviews? Does anyone have a perspective on how, or on which levels it compares to DotNetNuke (VB.Net)? http://www.djangoproject.com/ http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/overview/ I took the opinion that the vb list is for programmers and that this is programming related, hope that is OK? thanks Mark From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 03:25:46 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:25:46 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: Mark, That is brilliant. You cannot please some people however. I think you have done a fantastic job there. Max On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > Hey, Nice one John, > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost > ?0 over a five year period. > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not > really seem happy with it. > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > >> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with >> a >> client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his >> restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to >> settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But >> I >> do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups >> >> Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying >> invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so >> to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid >> (at >> least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for >> life. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 15 03:46:25 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:46:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) Message-ID: Hi Mark She should be kissing your shoes. Some people just don't pay attention when pearls are thrown in front of them. /gustav On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > Hey, Nice one John, > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost > ?0 over a five year period. > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not > really seem happy with it. > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > Mark From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jan 15 06:18:56 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:18:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com><39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com><7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005><39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com><00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net><00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: <24DC021A8DDC42209F7DF7FADA97B058@danwaters> Your website is great! So that's not the problem. I'm going to guess that she simply doesn't understand how a website like this can help her. In other words, she may not have marketing experience. If you know a small business startup consultant, they may be able to help her understand how this can help, or how she would want to change it to work for what she wants to do. I'd guess another possibility is that because these shoes look pretty high-end, they don't sell at high volume. It might be that selling this type of product is best done when the store is in the right location, and the selling is done by a salesperson who knows how to sell high-end products. By the way - what does 'Powered by Google Sites' mean? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hey, Nice one John, It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost ?0 over a five year period. I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not really seem happy with it. Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) Mark 2010/1/14 John Bartow > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with > a > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > (at > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > life. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 06:23:58 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:23:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <24DC021A8DDC42209F7DF7FADA97B058@danwaters> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> <24DC021A8DDC42209F7DF7FADA97B058@danwaters> Message-ID: what software did you use Mark to create this site? MAx On 15/01/2010, Dan Waters wrote: > Your website is great! So that's not the problem. > > I'm going to guess that she simply doesn't understand how a website like > this can help her. In other words, she may not have marketing experience. > If you know a small business startup consultant, they may be able to help > her understand how this can help, or how she would want to change it to work > for what she wants to do. > > I'd guess another possibility is that because these shoes look pretty > high-end, they don't sell at high volume. It might be that selling this > type of product is best done when the store is in the right location, and > the selling is done by a salesperson who knows how to sell high-end > products. > > By the way - what does 'Powered by Google Sites' mean? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Hey, Nice one John, > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost > ?0 over a five year period. > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not > really seem happy with it. > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > >> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with >> a >> client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his >> restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to >> settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But >> I >> do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups >> >> Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying >> invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so >> to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid >> (at >> least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for >> life. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 15 06:29:01 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:29:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: The following article is blaming IE for the hack on Google, last month. That is quite an assertion: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/microsoft-warns-of-ie-security -flaw-used-in-google-attacks.ars Supposedly the defect affects all IE 6, 7, & 8 and windows 2000, XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, 2008 rc2 and Windows 7 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 15 06:34:36 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:34:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: <3B74D6B048A3457F8B4D44CA9A08FFE2@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is a great job Mark. Unfortunately, free is rarely appreciated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hey, Nice one John, It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost ?0 over a five year period. I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not really seem happy with it. Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) Mark 2010/1/14 John Bartow > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with > a > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > (at > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > life. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 15 06:38:22 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:38:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Django Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DEE53702D844FDEA70002D5BD4435E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> There are a lot of frameworks out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: [dba-Tech] Django Anyone? Hello All, I recently heard about a framework named Django. As some that is only really a MS person, and little exposure to outside that world, has anyone any experience of this project? Any feedback or reviews? Does anyone have a perspective on how, or on which levels it compares to DotNetNuke (VB.Net)? http://www.djangoproject.com/ http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/overview/ I took the opinion that the vb list is for programmers and that this is programming related, hope that is OK? thanks Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jerbach at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:30:09 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:30:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001150630t56a8dd14vdc4b4bfec06f4179@mail.gmail.com> Jim - thank you for the link for running a test. I will be running that today. Mark - thank you for the 'where to start looking' basics. I have used task manager many times to see what's sucking up CPU time, but nothing really shows up (except for that one time where Acronis backup was using over 60%! I've uninstalled Acronis since then). I'll keep checking, though, and I'll use Process Explorer, too, to see if there's additional detail there that will show me something. I'll let you know what I find. Thank you both! Janet On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and if > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something is > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > (I doubt it) > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. Does > your machine come back to life? > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it will > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process that > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it was > re-booted, it was OK. > > In summary, > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > Hello! > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor > > and > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > not > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > serious > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > best, > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > for > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > background to cause it. > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > performance > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > custom-tweaked > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > use > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring > > and > > for WSUS). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Janet Erbach > > IT Administrator > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jerbach at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:46:03 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:46:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> Mark - If it's any comfort, there are some people who don't like ANYTHING right away unless they thought of it first. I work for someone like that: it can take her anywhere from a week to a month to warm up to something I create for her on my own - like an access program that saves her loads of time managing inventory, or a nifty web site graphic to catch the customer's eye. The only way I ever find out that she's warmed up to it (because she'll never say anything up front) is when I hear her talking about it as if it's always been there or she comes and asks me to update it in some way! Janet Erbach On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > She should be kissing your shoes. Some people just don't pay attention > when pearls are thrown in front of them. > > /gustav > > > On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > > Hey, Nice one John, > > > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate > it. > > > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, > in the > > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked > about her > > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 > minutes > > registered the domain, created the following website > www.stripeshoes.net and > > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a > ?1000 > > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is > will cost > > ?0 over a five year period. > > > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, > does not > > really seem happy with it. > > > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one > person > > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. > I did > > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more > product > > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 09:06:55 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:06:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ...probably because they cannot get their heads around it - so they dont really understand it - so they distrust it. Once they start to understand it they start to warm to it. Takes some hand-holding. max On 15/01/2010, Janet Erbach wrote: > Mark - > > If it's any comfort, there are some people who don't like ANYTHING right > away unless they thought of it first. I work for someone like that: it can > take her anywhere from a week to a month to warm up to something I create > for her on my own - like an access program that saves her loads of time > managing inventory, or a nifty web site graphic to catch the customer's > eye. The only way I ever find out that she's warmed up to it (because > she'll never say anything up front) is when I hear her talking about it as > if it's always been there or she comes and asks me to update it in some way! > > Janet Erbach > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Mark >> >> She should be kissing your shoes. Some people just don't pay attention >> when pearls are thrown in front of them. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: >> > Hey, Nice one John, >> > >> > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate >> it. >> > >> > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, >> in the >> > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked >> about her >> > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 >> minutes >> > registered the domain, created the following website >> www.stripeshoes.net and >> > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a >> ?1000 >> > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is >> will cost >> > ?0 over a five year period. >> > >> > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, >> does not >> > really seem happy with it. >> > >> > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one >> person >> > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. >> I did >> > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more >> product >> > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) >> > >> > Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 15 09:53:32 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: <006501ca95fa$e382c040$aa8840c0$@net> Hi Mark, Yes, it is nice. And that's exactly how I look at my business "helping people". IMO too many computer consultants/support staff look at computer consulting and support as working with technology instead of making technology work for their customers. This same guy asked me to come over and talk about his home computers and wireless networking this week with his family. During our discussion the issue of ISP and Phone/Television/Internet bundling to save money came up. (Working through understanding all of this is a major frustration for most people here.) He told his family a story about how frustrated he was when setting up his new restaurant five years ago. He was so frustrated with the phone company that he finally asked me if I would do it for him. I literally hate working with these companies but I did it. I negotiated the phone service and bought the phone system for him. I charged him full price for my time while doing it. He has, apparently, been grateful ever since. That is a nice web site for 0 minutes and little shoe knowledge! Sometimes people don't understand the benefits of websites enough to appreciate things like what you've done for her. Maybe someday she will. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hey, Nice one John, It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost ?0 over a five year period. I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not really seem happy with it. Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) Mark 2010/1/14 John Bartow > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with > a > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > (at > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > life. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 09:46:18 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:46:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> Two things: 1.) Some people don't like change. My husband would still be running Windows 3.1 if it were up to him. 2.) Not every business benefits from a web site. Susan H. ...probably because they cannot get their heads around it - so they dont really understand it - so they distrust it. Once they start to understand it they start to warm to it. Takes some hand-holding. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 10:21:44 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:21:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> Message-ID: I have a hard time agreeing with you on your point #2. There are a couple points that ANY business could benifit from. Show me the hours the store is open. Show me the location of the store. Show me the phone number of the store. Those are things I look for often on Brick and mortar stores. Tell me about any promotions or sales. Maybe some history. But at the very least, Location and Hours please. I suppose there could be SOME business that wouldn't apply to but I'm not envisioning them now. Never say never, and never say always. There are usually exceptions. Now granted, the amount of benifit derived from the site may not be all that much. I won't argue that. I suppose some businesses would NOT want to be found. GK On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Two things: > > 1.) Some people don't like change. My husband would still be running Windows > 3.1 if it were up to him. > > 2.) Not every business benefits from a web site. > > Susan H. -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 15 10:43:47 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:43:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hi all (Linux gurus included!) DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with international characters! Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the DeltaCopy folder: chmod.exe cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll cyggcc_s-1.dll cygiconv-2.dll cygintl-8.dll cygpopt-0.dll cygwin1.dll cygz.dll rsync.exe ssh.exe and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with international characters. But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the Registry as previously). It is explained here in detail: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a subfolder to the DeltaCopy folder. I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but negative. The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a shared folder on the remote machine: //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 Any ideas? /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> Hello Steve, Sorry, I did not make one point clear. machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than 300 usd. If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can keep the 2nd set of hot backups off site. A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on site, then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a daily basis. BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. Mark 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > Mark, > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a > black art as security, methinks. > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second HP > server. > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are > good to go. << > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got all > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server to > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the > backup > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile dictu! > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and printer > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that type > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking > my > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup > task as stated. > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Steve, > > > > I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can tell > > you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. > > > > 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror > > certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked > > well > > for three years now. > > This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase the > > frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, as > > DeltaCopy only copies differences. > > > > 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server A > > to > > a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For > > connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution and > > even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you > are > > ready to go. > > > > These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully > > automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is > stored > > on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, and > we > > might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has > access > > to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, or > > all > > equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. > > > > 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a quarter > as > > a point in time archive. > > > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server backups. > > > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > > > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence [ > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she really > > has > > > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a > little > > > web > > > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > > > > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with the > > > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss > had > > a > > > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 > system. > > > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 15 11:39:26 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:39:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001150630t56a8dd14vdc4b4bfec06f4179@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001150630t56a8dd14vdc4b4bfec06f4179@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Janet: My friend replied but he is working a double shift... day and evening server installs so he is a little over-loaded right now but he did say: SBS 2008 (R1) is basically "Vista server". It can work okay, but it's a bit of a pig. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Jim - thank you for the link for running a test. I will be running that today. Mark - thank you for the 'where to start looking' basics. I have used task manager many times to see what's sucking up CPU time, but nothing really shows up (except for that one time where Acronis backup was using over 60%! I've uninstalled Acronis since then). I'll keep checking, though, and I'll use Process Explorer, too, to see if there's additional detail there that will show me something. I'll let you know what I find. Thank you both! Janet On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and if > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something is > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > (I doubt it) > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. Does > your machine come back to life? > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it will > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process that > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it was > re-booted, it was OK. > > In summary, > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > Hello! > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor > > and > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > not > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > serious > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > best, > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > for > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > background to cause it. > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > performance > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > custom-tweaked > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > use > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring > > and > > for WSUS). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Janet Erbach > > IT Administrator > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jerbach at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 11:49:27 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:49:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001150630t56a8dd14vdc4b4bfec06f4179@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001150949t16a09585ma996fad9df7307c5@mail.gmail.com> I THOUGHT it was closer to Visa than to XP! And 'pig' is an understatement! Janet On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Janet: > > My friend replied but he is working a double shift... day and evening > server > installs so he is a little over-loaded right now but he did say: > > > SBS 2008 (R1) is basically "Vista server". It can work okay, but it's a bit > of a pig. > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:30 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance > > Jim - thank you for the link for running a test. I will be running that > today. > > Mark - thank you for the 'where to start looking' basics. I have used task > manager many times to see what's sucking up CPU time, but nothing really > shows up (except for that one time where Acronis backup was using over 60%! > I've uninstalled Acronis since then). I'll keep checking, though, and I'll > use Process Explorer, too, to see if there's additional detail there that > will show me something. I'll let you know what I find. > > Thank you both! > > Janet > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and > if > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something > is > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > (I doubt it) > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. > Does > > your machine come back to life? > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it > will > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process > that > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it > was > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > In summary, > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > processor > > > and > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > > not > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > > serious > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > > best, > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > > for > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > performance > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > custom-tweaked > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use > some > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > > use > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > monitoring > > > and > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > IT Administrator > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Fri Jan 15 12:27:54 2010 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:27:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does anyone calibrate their Laptop Batteries? Message-ID: http://www.mondonhs.com/tech/calibrate_the_notebook_pc_batter.htm Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation New York State OASAS 1450 Western Avenue Albany, NY 12203 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5228 EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us IMPORTANT: This E-mail may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. The use, distribution, transmittal or re-transmittal by an unintended recipient of any communication is prohibited without our express approval in writing or by e-mail. Any use, distribution, transmittal or re-transmittal by persons who are not intended recipients of this e-mail may be a violation of law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this transmission. All e-mails sent to or from NYS OASAS are to be used for our business purposes only. E-mails sent from or to NYS OASAS are subject to review by the Agency. From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:48:35 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:48:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does anyone calibrate their Laptop Batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to back in the 90's with my first laptop that was running first Windows 95 and then later 98. Not sure that applies in todays world as batteries and the charging circutry is better now. I didn't see any creattion date on that page. I wonder if it's current or ancient? GK On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > http://www.mondonhs.com/tech/calibrate_the_notebook_pc_batter.htm > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Avenue > Albany, NY 12203 > Phone: ?(518) 485-7189 > Fax: ?(518) 485-5228 > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > IMPORTANT: ?This E-mail may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. ?The use, distribution, transmittal or > re-transmittal by an unintended recipient of any communication is > prohibited without our express approval in writing or by e-mail. ?Any > use, distribution, transmittal or re-transmittal by persons who are not > intended recipients of this e-mail may be a violation of law and is > strictly prohibited. ? If you are not the intended recipient please > contact the sender and delete all copies. ?E-mail transmission cannot be > guaranteed to be secure or error-free. ? The sender therefore does not > accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this > transmission. ? All e-mails sent to or from NYS OASAS are to be used for > our business purposes only. ?E-mails sent from or to NYS OASAS are > subject to review by the Agency. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:53:58 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:53:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does anyone calibrate their Laptop Batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess the HP Battery Information Center does still recommend it. Every Three Months too. Ouch. Work work work. http://h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/ GK On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > I used to back in the 90's with my first laptop that was running first > Windows 95 and then later 98. Not sure that applies in todays world as > batteries and the charging circutry is better now. ?I didn't see any > creattion date on that page. I wonder if it's current or ancient? > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: >> http://www.mondonhs.com/tech/calibrate_the_notebook_pc_batter.htm >> >> Edward P. Tesiny >> Assistant Director for Evaluation >> New York State OASAS >> 1450 Western Avenue >> Albany, NY 12203 >> Phone: ?(518) 485-7189 >> Fax: ?(518) 485-5228 >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> >> IMPORTANT: ?This E-mail may contain confidential material for the sole >> use of the intended recipient. ?The use, distribution, transmittal or >> re-transmittal by an unintended recipient of any communication is >> prohibited without our express approval in writing or by e-mail. ?Any >> use, distribution, transmittal or re-transmittal by persons who are not >> intended recipients of this e-mail may be a violation of law and is >> strictly prohibited. ? If you are not the intended recipient please >> contact the sender and delete all copies. ?E-mail transmission cannot be >> guaranteed to be secure or error-free. ? The sender therefore does not >> accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this >> transmission. ? All e-mails sent to or from NYS OASAS are to be used for >> our business purposes only. ?E-mails sent from or to NYS OASAS are >> subject to review by the Agency. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:14:21 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:21 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> Susan, For some read "lots of people" For not every business read "all business will" Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 15 January 2010 15:46 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) Two things: 1.) Some people don't like change. My husband would still be running Windows 3.1 if it were up to him. 2.) Not every business benefits from a web site. Susan H. ...probably because they cannot get their heads around it - so they dont really understand it - so they distrust it. Once they start to understand it they start to warm to it. Takes some hand-holding. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:15:31 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:15:31 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <006501ca95fa$e382c040$aa8840c0$@net> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> <006501ca95fa$e382c040$aa8840c0$@net> Message-ID: <4b50bee7.0e67f10a.30d7.3674@mx.google.com> Yes, definitely. I always talk about "Features" and "Benefits". NOT the same thing, but kids in marketing think it is. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 15 January 2010 15:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hi Mark, Yes, it is nice. And that's exactly how I look at my business "helping people". IMO too many computer consultants/support staff look at computer consulting and support as working with technology instead of making technology work for their customers. This same guy asked me to come over and talk about his home computers and wireless networking this week with his family. During our discussion the issue of ISP and Phone/Television/Internet bundling to save money came up. (Working through understanding all of this is a major frustration for most people here.) He told his family a story about how frustrated he was when setting up his new restaurant five years ago. He was so frustrated with the phone company that he finally asked me if I would do it for him. I literally hate working with these companies but I did it. I negotiated the phone service and bought the phone system for him. I charged him full price for my time while doing it. He has, apparently, been grateful ever since. That is a nice web site for 0 minutes and little shoe knowledge! Sometimes people don't understand the benefits of websites enough to appreciate things like what you've done for her. Maybe someday she will. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hey, Nice one John, It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.net and created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost ?0 over a five year period. I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not really seem happy with it. Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I did tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) Mark 2010/1/14 John Bartow > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago with > a > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But I > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan so > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > (at > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > life. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Fri Jan 15 13:21:34 2010 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:21:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does anyone calibrate their Laptop Batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, Thanks for that link, I was wondering if you could check the status of the battery, I guess the answer is yes. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Does anyone calibrate their Laptop Batteries? I guess the HP Battery Information Center does still recommend it. Every Three Months too. Ouch. Work work work. http://h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/ GK On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > I used to back in the 90's with my first laptop that was running first > Windows 95 and then later 98. Not sure that applies in todays world as > batteries and the charging circutry is better now. ?I didn't see any > creattion date on that page. I wonder if it's current or ancient? > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tesiny, Ed wrote: >> http://www.mondonhs.com/tech/calibrate_the_notebook_pc_batter.htm >> >> Edward P. Tesiny >> Assistant Director for Evaluation >> New York State OASAS >> 1450 Western Avenue >> Albany, NY 12203 >> Phone: ?(518) 485-7189 >> Fax: ?(518) 485-5228 >> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >> >> >> IMPORTANT: ?This E-mail may contain confidential material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient. ?The use, distribution, >> transmittal or re-transmittal by an unintended recipient of any >> communication is prohibited without our express approval in writing >> or by e-mail. ?Any use, distribution, transmittal or re-transmittal >> by persons who are not intended recipients of this e-mail may be a >> violation of law and is strictly prohibited. ? If you are not the >> intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. ? >> E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. ? >> The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or >> omissions in the contents of this transmission. ? All e-mails sent to >> or from NYS OASAS are to be used for our business purposes only. ? >> E-mails sent from or to NYS OASAS are subject to review by the Agency. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:39:00 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:39:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> Message-ID: > For not every business read "all business will" =========This just isn't true. Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:49:05 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:05 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Name 1,000 Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 15 January 2010 19:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) > For not every business read "all business will" =========This just isn't true. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 15 14:56:51 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:56:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rainbow tables In-Reply-To: <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Message-ID: While waiting for a server to install and trying to get into some old XP computers the client had, I ran into the problem of login passwords to these old boxes. The client just wanted me to go into these old computers, clear out any personal information, remove the passwords or make it something super simple and then the client would send the old computers off to a school. The only problem is that no one knows the passwords anymore so I finally found a free brute force password recovery app called Ophcrack. The interesting thing about the app was the technology that it used... the algorithm is using Rainbow Tables. This is new to me but very interesting. I can see all sorts of possibilities such as super fast search routines etc... If anyone is interested in this check out the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 15:17:39 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:17:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rainbow tables In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4b50db92.0f67f10a.448c.ffff9b27@mx.google.com> Leading with my chin here, but I thought that binary chops were the fastest possible search algo. http://www.adit.co.uk/html/binary_chop.html "Well this could be improved and/or simplified in many cases depending upon the data being searched and the nature of the array. The function could also be written as a general purpose tool with the array to be searched being passed as well as the search value - well if we ever see a truly object oriented VB to implement it in." "The algorithm "Although the basic idea of binary search is comparatively straightforward, the details can be surprisingly tricky." - Professor Donald Knuth When Jon Bentley assigned it as a problem in a course for professional programmers, he found that an astounding ninety percent failed to code a binary search correctly after several hours of working on it[3], and another study shows that accurate code for it is only found in five out of twenty textbooks (Kruse, 1999). Furthermore, Bentley's own implementation of binary search, published in his 1986 book Programming Pearls, contains an error that remained undetected for over twenty years.[4]" Wikipedia max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 15 January 2010 20:57 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Rainbow tables While waiting for a server to install and trying to get into some old XP computers the client had, I ran into the problem of login passwords to these old boxes. The client just wanted me to go into these old computers, clear out any personal information, remove the passwords or make it something super simple and then the client would send the old computers off to a school. The only problem is that no one knows the passwords anymore so I finally found a free brute force password recovery app called Ophcrack. The interesting thing about the app was the technology that it used... the algorithm is using Rainbow Tables. This is new to me but very interesting. I can see all sorts of possibilities such as super fast search routines etc... If anyone is interested in this check out the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jerbach at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 14:37:07 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> Mark - I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right now we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. I've attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged into the server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is 4.9 high? Janet On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and if > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something is > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > (I doubt it) > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. Does > your machine come back to life? > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it will > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process that > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it was > re-booted, it was OK. > > In summary, > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > Hello! > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor > > and > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > not > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > serious > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > best, > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > for > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > background to cause it. > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > performance > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > custom-tweaked > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > use > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring > > and > > for WSUS). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Janet Erbach > > IT Administrator > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 16 01:52:51 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:52:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing your fired... In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The reason why Techs and Sale personalities do not get along and why Sales personalities should never run a business... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GM4Lt5k24s Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 03:54:27 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:54:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Django Anyone? In-Reply-To: <9DEE53702D844FDEA70002D5BD4435E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <9DEE53702D844FDEA70002D5BD4435E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, thank you, that was very useful. Mark 2010/1/15 Jim Lawrence > There are a lot of frameworks out there: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:17 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Discussion concerning > Visual > Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: [dba-Tech] Django Anyone? > > Hello All, > > I recently heard about a framework named Django. As some that is only > really a MS person, and little exposure to outside that world, has anyone > any experience of this project? Any feedback or reviews? > > Does anyone have a perspective on how, or on which levels it compares to > DotNetNuke (VB.Net)? > > http://www.djangoproject.com/ > http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/overview/ > > I took the opinion that the vb list is for programmers and that this is > programming related, hope that is OK? > > thanks > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 03:56:29 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:56:29 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Need to encrypt a volume anyone? Message-ID: Hello All, Just passing on a piece of software that I am about to install, I am told that this is considered robust, The software is TrueCrypt http://www.truecrypt.org/ hope it helps someone, Mark From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 03:58:26 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:58:26 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Need to encrypt a volume anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b518de8.1067f10a.4d5b.ffffb191@mx.google.com> Duh!! Where have you been? I have been shouting about Truecrypt for the past 4/5 years. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 16 January 2010 09:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Need to encrypt a volume anyone? Hello All, Just passing on a piece of software that I am about to install, I am told that this is considered robust, The software is TrueCrypt http://www.truecrypt.org/ hope it helps someone, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 04:01:18 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: 90 minutes, Max, and she has corporate email for employees (1 at the moment) and she can maintain the site herself for ever more, and it only costs ?7 .95 per year to renew the domain. I hate to see small business spending ?500 - ?1000 per year, over a five year period for websites that bring them no real value. I always tell them, for ?500 you can give it to someone else and you avoid a day of struggling with a web design concept, but for ?5000, would you re-consider. Assuming they will be in business in five years, thats what it will cost, and what I propose on Google apps costs nothing, zero euro :) I love it. I set up 17 websites with this system in four hours last year, admittedly they were all the same look and feel, but every site had two pages including contact us. Thanks for looking at it Max, Mark 2010/1/15 Max Wanadoo > Mark, > That is brilliant. You cannot please some people however. > I think you have done a fantastic job there. > Max > > > On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > > Hey, Nice one John, > > > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in > the > > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about > her > > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.netand > > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will > cost > > ?0 over a five year period. > > > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does > not > > really seem happy with it. > > > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I > did > > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > > > >> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago > with > >> a > >> client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > >> restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > >> settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! > But > >> I > >> do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > >> > >> Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > >> invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan > so > >> to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > >> (at > >> least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > >> life. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 04:08:04 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:08:04 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> Message-ID: <4b51902b.1067f10a.42dc.ffffb364@mx.google.com> Mark, I think it is an outstanding site. Showed it to the girls at work and they loved it. Can you divulge the software you use? I wouldn?t mind trying that myself. Ta Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 16 January 2010 10:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups 90 minutes, Max, and she has corporate email for employees (1 at the moment) and she can maintain the site herself for ever more, and it only costs ?7 .95 per year to renew the domain. I hate to see small business spending ?500 - ?1000 per year, over a five year period for websites that bring them no real value. I always tell them, for ?500 you can give it to someone else and you avoid a day of struggling with a web design concept, but for ?5000, would you re-consider. Assuming they will be in business in five years, thats what it will cost, and what I propose on Google apps costs nothing, zero euro :) I love it. I set up 17 websites with this system in four hours last year, admittedly they were all the same look and feel, but every site had two pages including contact us. Thanks for looking at it Max, Mark 2010/1/15 Max Wanadoo > Mark, > That is brilliant. You cannot please some people however. > I think you have done a fantastic job there. > Max > > > On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > > Hey, Nice one John, > > > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in > the > > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about > her > > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.netand > > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will > cost > > ?0 over a five year period. > > > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does > not > > really seem happy with it. > > > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I > did > > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > > > >> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago > with > >> a > >> client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > >> restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > >> settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! > But > >> I > >> do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > >> > >> Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > >> invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan > so > >> to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > >> (at > >> least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > >> life. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 04:45:27 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <4b51902b.1067f10a.42dc.ffffb364@mx.google.com> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> <4b51902b.1067f10a.42dc.ffffb364@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Guys, Sorry, I thought I mentioned the software, it is google apps. Have a look on www.google.com/a Here is my very quick low down on this suite of products 1) Two editions, standard and premium. Standard is free and I am using it now for 3.5 years and it is perfect. 2) It provides corporate standard email, though the gmail interface, yourname at yourdomain.xx 3) It provides website site hosting 4) It provides online website design software 5) It provides navigation tool for your webpages 6) There are thousands of gadgets you can plug into your pages, including maps, youtube, rss feeds etc 7) It provides POP access for the email as well, if you want 8) It provides domain level docs and spreadsheets 9) It provides calendar sharing. 10) no more exchange, no more pst files, no more hosting charges, no more backups 11) it is all FREE On the downside The software is easy to use, and is designed for the home user, unfortunately, it takes quite some some to become familiar enough with it for it to become easy to use, IOW, it is supposed to be easy to use, but the average user may not climb the hurdle to realise actually how easy it is. This software is a replacement for exchange and outlook, and enormous benefits to the small business. All by Google, all free and all robust. *Three ways to start using it* a) register a new domain with your registrar of choice, then create the google apps account, then point your new domain to the google apps account b) register a new domain though the integrated service that google provide and they do the linking for you, no extra cost, easier to do, but I prefer to manage my own domains. c) if you have an existing domain, you create the google account then change your DNS for your existing domain to point to the google service. *Email Only Or Web Only* If you have a website hosted already and want to keep it, you can still switch to google apps for your email and docs, in this case, you modify the MX Records for the email, but do not map the www cname for your site. This is also easy to do, and works a treat. You could also keep your email on exchange and use google apps for your web site design and hosting. If I can answer more questions, please ask. Thanks Mark 2010/1/16 Max Wanadoo > Mark, > > I think it is an outstanding site. Showed it to the girls at work and > they loved it. > > Can you divulge the software you use? I wouldn?t mind trying that myself. > > Ta > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 16 January 2010 10:01 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > 90 minutes, Max, and she has corporate email for employees (1 at the > moment) > and she can maintain the site herself for ever more, and it only costs ?7 > .95 per year to renew the domain. > > I hate to see small business spending ?500 - ?1000 per year, over a five > year period for websites that bring them no real value. I always tell > them, > for ?500 you can give it to someone else and you avoid a day of struggling > with a web design concept, but for ?5000, would you re-consider. > > Assuming they will be in business in five years, thats what it will cost, > and what I propose on Google apps costs nothing, zero euro :) > > I love it. > > I set up 17 websites with this system in four hours last year, admittedly > they were all the same look and feel, but every site had two pages > including > contact us. > > Thanks for looking at it Max, > > Mark > > > 2010/1/15 Max Wanadoo > > > Mark, > > That is brilliant. You cannot please some people however. > > I think you have done a fantastic job there. > > Max > > > > > > On 15/01/2010, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hey, Nice one John, > > > > > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > > > > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in > > the > > > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about > > her > > > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 > minutes > > > registered the domain, created the following website > www.stripeshoes.netand > > > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > > > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will > > cost > > > ?0 over a five year period. > > > > > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does > > not > > > really seem happy with it. > > > > > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > > > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. > I > > did > > > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > > > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > > > > > >> I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago > > with > > >> a > > >> client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > > >> restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted > to > > >> settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! > > But > > >> I > > >> do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > > Lawrence > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > > >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > >> > > >> Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > > >> invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment > plan > > so > > >> to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get > paid > > >> (at > > >> least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client > for > > >> life. > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 04:46:41 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:46:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <24DC021A8DDC42209F7DF7FADA97B058@danwaters> References: <39cb22f31001120813x62829453yb558f8434f1e571b@mail.gmail.com> <39cb22f31001120911x5ad6e3fr1021339beac1d443@mail.gmail.com> <7F99B1B09CF34812957C16570FC83A09@HAL9005> <39cb22f31001120950v12499fb0ke813ee71172ffa5d@mail.gmail.com> <00a601ca93fc$cd1186c0$67349440$@net> <00aa01ca9540$7bbbef00$7333cd00$@net> <24DC021A8DDC42209F7DF7FADA97B058@danwaters> Message-ID: Hello Dan, >By the way - what does 'Powered by Google Sites' mean? See reply below about Google Apps. I may have never clicked on the link, but that is what it means. Thanks Mark 2010/1/15 Dan Waters > Your website is great! So that's not the problem. > > I'm going to guess that she simply doesn't understand how a website like > this can help her. In other words, she may not have marketing experience. > If you know a small business startup consultant, they may be able to help > her understand how this can help, or how she would want to change it to work > for what she wants to do. > > I'd guess another possibility is that because these shoes look pretty > high-end, they don't sell at high volume. It might be that selling this > type of product is best done when the store is in the right location, and > the selling is done by a salesperson who knows how to sell high-end > products. > > By the way - what does 'Powered by Google Sites' mean? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Hey, Nice one John, > > It is nice to be able to help people and nice when they appreciate it. > > I spoke to a lady before Christmas that has just opened a shoe shop, in the > middle of a recession. Her products are lovely and when I asked about her > website, she said she did not have one. So I came home and in 90 minutes > registered the domain, created the following website www.stripeshoes.netand > created the user and email accounts for her to use. It is not a ?1000 > website, but it is free and if she maintains it for five years is will cost > ?0 over a five year period. > > I think that fact is lost on this lady however, and unfortunately, does not > really seem happy with it. > > Whats your opinion, is it terrible, awful or OK for a small one person > ladies shoe shop, which ultimately will require a visit to the store. I > did > tell her that she has to fill in more text, more pics and more product > details, as I do not know much about ladies shoes :) > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/14 John Bartow > > > I have been so lucky so far with this. I had a meeting a few days ago > with > > a > > client who is in trouble. I have been bartering with him since his > > restaurant has the best food in the area. He actually said he wanted to > > settle up with me rather than risk me not getting my fair share back! But > I > > do share your concerns and welcome your advice - thanks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:18 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > > > Watch out for potential bankruptcies, or client's holding off paying > > invoices... In some cases I have put a client on a monthly payment plan > so > > to stretch out the some large bills. The clients are happy, you get paid > > (at > > least most) and if they do get through the dip they are your client for > > life. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 05:09:29 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:09:29 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Janet, I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use another GB or even 1.5 GB. So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that is killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. It sounds like you are getting closer. thanks Mark 2010/1/15 Janet Erbach > Mark - > > I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right now > we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. > I've > attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged into > the > server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is 4.9 > high? > > Janet > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and > if > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something > is > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > (I doubt it) > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. > Does > > your machine come back to life? > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it > will > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process > that > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it > was > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > In summary, > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > processor > > > and > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > > not > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > > serious > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > > best, > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > > for > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > performance > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > custom-tweaked > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use > some > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > > use > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > monitoring > > > and > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > IT Administrator > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 06:08:38 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:08:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hello Gustav, First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about it and remarked to myself about the long file names being a silly limitation in DeltaCopy. As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it. >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do. Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client? Or are you not using the DeltaCopy UI at all? When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a Share really. One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client software in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server name correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the client could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK. Let me know if I can help more, thanks Mark 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock > Hi all (Linux gurus included!) > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with > international characters! > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the > DeltaCopy folder: > > chmod.exe > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll > cyggcc_s-1.dll > cygiconv-2.dll > cygintl-8.dll > cygpopt-0.dll > cygwin1.dll > cygz.dll > rsync.exe > ssh.exe > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with > international characters. > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the > Registry as previously). > It is explained here in detail: > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a subfolder to > the DeltaCopy folder. > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but negative. > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a shared > folder on the remote machine: > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 > > Any ideas? > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> > Hello Steve, > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear. > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, > you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than 300 > usd. > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can keep > the 2nd set of hot backups off site. > > A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on site, > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a > daily basis. > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. > > Mark > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > > Mark, > > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a > > black art as security, methinks. > > > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second > HP > > server. > > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no > domain > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you > are > > good to go. << > > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got > all > > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server > to > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the > > backup > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile > dictu! > > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and > printer > > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that > type > > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking > > my > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup > > task as stated. > > > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Mark Breen > wrote: > > > > > Hello Steve, > > > > > > I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread, but I can > tell > > > you what I do with a few servers that I am responsible for. > > > > > > 1) I have a spare machine on the network, and I use DeltaCopy to mirror > > > certain folders from Server A to machine B everynight. This has worked > > > well > > > for three years now. > > > This gives me hot backups, every 24 hours. I could actually increase > the > > > frequency to every 12 hours if I wished. Very little network traffic, > as > > > DeltaCopy only copies differences. > > > > > > 2) Using DeltaCopy again, I make a second sync of the files from Server > A > > > to > > > a WebServer that happens to exist in a data centre off site. For > > > connectivity I use Hamachi. You could offer the client this solution > and > > > even host the off-site machine at home, once Hamachi works at home you > > are > > > ready to go. > > > > > > These two options give me hot 24 hours, on and off site backups, fully > > > automated and cost almost zero. If Server A went down, all data is > > stored > > > on machine B, on site. Sure I would have to map the printers again, > and > > we > > > might have no domain controller for few days, but once everyone has > > access > > > to machine B, you are good to go. And of the building burns, floods, > or > > > all > > > equipment is stolen, you have 24 hours off site backups. > > > > > > 3) I periodically copy selected data onto CD / DVD / tape once a > quarter > > as > > > a point in time archive. > > > > > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Steve Erbach > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > My wife, Janet, wrote a while back asking for advice on server > backups. > > > > She's the *de facto* system administrator where she works, a retail > > > > high-end natural food supplement store with a large Internet presence > [ > > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com]. I said "de facto" because she > really > > > has > > > > no experience with hardware or networking. Databases, queries, a > > little > > > > web > > > > design, sure. Trouble-shooting network and backup issues? Yuck! > > > > > > > > Anyway, I've been, of course, privy to her continued struggles with > the > > > > backup issues she's been having. This all started when Janet's boss > > had > > > a > > > > new server installed. It's a Windows Small Business Server 2008 > > system. > > > > That's a hybrid of Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2005. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 07:19:12 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:19:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello All, Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about www.stripeshoes.net. The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! Mark From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 16 09:48:24 2010 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:48:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) Message-ID: Hi Mark That may be what is missing: Some nice pictures from and of the shop. But they will cost here some money ... except if you are a first class photographer too! /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 14:19 >>> Hello All, Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about www.stripeshoes.net. The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! Mark From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 16 10:01:47 2010 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:01:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hi Mark I use some remote (network) drives to be backed up. But network drive letters in Windows are not seem by Cygwin. Thus, these must be mounted the Linux way. This could be specified in version 1.5 with some fancy Registry entries, but this has changed completely as described in version 1.7. It is probably very simple to set up - if you just know how. A way around this is to specify the UNC path in the DC config file, like \\192.168.1.200\SomeFolder. You cannot write it directly via the GUI, neither will DC let you browse to those locations. Another limitation I've found is that rsync won't copy hidden and system files. That you could live with (if you are not using MS OneNote) but when such files are met, rsync raises an error and your session is reported as in error and will be repeated if you have set up DC to try multiple times in case of error. Now, SyncToy could be used instead for remote to local copy, but it doesn't support notifications - thus no e-mail reporting about the status of the backup. Why can one util do it all? /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 13:08 >>> Hello Gustav, First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about it and remarked to myself about the long file names being a silly limitation in DeltaCopy. As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it. >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do. Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client? Or are you not using the DeltaCopy UI at all? When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a Share really. One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client software in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server name correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the client could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK. Let me know if I can help more, thanks Mark 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock > Hi all (Linux gurus included!) > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with > international characters! > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the > DeltaCopy folder: > > chmod.exe > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll > cyggcc_s-1.dll > cygiconv-2.dll > cygintl-8.dll > cygpopt-0.dll > cygwin1.dll > cygz.dll > rsync.exe > ssh.exe > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with > international characters. > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the > Registry as previously). > It is explained here in detail: > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a subfolder to > the DeltaCopy folder. > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but negative. > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a shared > folder on the remote machine: > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 > > Any ideas? > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> > Hello Steve, > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear. > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, > you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than 300 > usd. > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can keep > the 2nd set of hot backups off site. > > A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on site, > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a > daily basis. > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. > > Mark > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > > Mark, > > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a > > black art as security, methinks. > > > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second HP > > server. > > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are > > good to go. << > > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got all > > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server to > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the backup > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile dictu! > > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and printer > > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that type > > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking my > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup > > task as stated. > > > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 16 11:47:10 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:47:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your site is excellent... I agree with Gustav on his comments though. What costs most and takes longest in any web site is the graphics and the design, especially if the client has a specific concept in mind. I find that the assembly of a layout, for a site may only take an evening but arriving at the right layout may take a few of days and the graphics can take a long time especially if they have to be processed in Photoshop... last site I did took over a week to do the graphics... Then there is documentation that is associated the graphics as well as over-view docs... Some sites like some eye-candy like a nice Flash header... Now if the client wants the ability to keep the site fresh by being able to add and change graphics and doc that can be a lot more time. I have seen trivial sites take 2 weeks or more to do and the client has to be billed appropriately. On the other hand all businesses these days need a web presents whether they believe it or not. It is like the old 'Yellow' page ad or business card all rolled into one and that is not counting the online shopping potential. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:48 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) Hi Mark That may be what is missing: Some nice pictures from and of the shop. But they will cost here some money ... except if you are a first class photographer too! /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 14:19 >>> Hello All, Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about www.stripeshoes.net. The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Jan 16 12:05:41 2010 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:05:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4B51FFF5.1020907@torchlake.com> Mark, You're a generous spirit. I hope that lady comes to realize it. T Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about > www.stripeshoes.net. > > The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. > > As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:32:44 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:32:44 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, I am reading your email and smiling. I also used synctoy, and as usual with MS, the GUI is nicer, friendly and appears easier to use. However, as you say, it does not offer the email notification that DeltaCopy uses. A much bigger PITA however, is that SyncToy seems to create a file in every folder that it backs up, this really bugs me, expecially because it is slow anyway, no faster than DeltaCopy without the extra clutter. Again, this comparison is typical of MS, I guess. I never new about the hidden / system files, thanks for letting me know about that. I am sorry, I have no suggestions how to get 1.7 set up. If I get a chance to play with it on a VM, I will report back. Good luck with it, Mark 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > I use some remote (network) drives to be backed up. But network drive > letters in Windows are not seem by Cygwin. Thus, these must be mounted the > Linux way. This could be specified in version 1.5 with some fancy Registry > entries, but this has changed completely as described in version 1.7. > It is probably very simple to set up - if you just know how. > > A way around this is to specify the UNC path in the DC config file, like > \\192.168.1.200\SomeFolder. You cannot write it directly via the GUI, > neither will DC let you browse to those locations. > > Another limitation I've found is that rsync won't copy hidden and system > files. That you could live with (if you are not using MS OneNote) but when > such files are met, rsync raises an error and your session is reported as in > error and will be repeated if you have set up DC to try multiple times in > case of error. > > Now, SyncToy could be used instead for remote to local copy, but it doesn't > support notifications - thus no e-mail reporting about the status of the > backup. > Why can one util do it all? > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 13:08 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about it > and remarked to myself about the long file names being a silly limitation > in DeltaCopy. > > As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with > Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it. > > >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do. > Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client? Or are you not using > the DeltaCopy UI at all? > > > When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a > Share > really. > > One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client > software > in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server > name > correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the client > could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the > Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK. > > Let me know if I can help more, > > thanks > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock > > > Hi all (Linux gurus included!) > > > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with > > international characters! > > > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the > > DeltaCopy folder: > > > > chmod.exe > > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll > > cyggcc_s-1.dll > > cygiconv-2.dll > > cygintl-8.dll > > cygpopt-0.dll > > cygwin1.dll > > cygz.dll > > rsync.exe > > ssh.exe > > > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with > > international characters. > > > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the > > Registry as previously). > > It is explained here in detail: > > > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table > > > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a subfolder > to > > the DeltaCopy folder. > > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but > negative. > > > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a > shared > > folder on the remote machine: > > > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 > > > > Any ideas? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> > > Hello Steve, > > > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear. > > > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte > > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. > > > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card > > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives > > > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, > > you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). > > > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than > 300 > > usd. > > > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can > keep > > the 2nd set of hot backups off site. > > > > A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on > site, > > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a > > daily basis. > > > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. > > > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > > > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much > a > > > black art as security, methinks. > > > > > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only > she > > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second > HP > > > server. > > > > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no > domain > > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you > are > > > good to go. << > > > > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got > all > > > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the > server to > > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the > backup > > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile > dictu! > > > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and > printer > > > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that > type > > > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am > shaking my > > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the > backup > > > task as stated. > > > > > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > > > > > Steve Erbach > > > Neenah, WI > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:35:56 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:35:56 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, I am tempted to go into the store and take some photos and then put them up, but I think it would just freak her out totally, but more importantly I am definitely not a first class photographer. Mark 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > That may be what is missing: Some nice pictures from and of the shop. > But they will cost here some money ... except if you are a first class > photographer too! > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 14:19 >>> > Hello All, > > Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about > www.stripeshoes.net. > > The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. > > As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:42:04 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:42:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jim, Speaking generally now, not related to any single website: I acknowledge everything you say below Jim, and I know it is true, but I cannot bear to spend time on stuff that may not give a return. This site needs more time, probably another 5 hours or so, but after that, I think it is into diminishing returns. If she offered to pay for 40 - 80 hours, I would not really be interested, primarily because I do not think that the ROI is there for her. She needs a web presence, sure, but as was mentioned earlier, the web presence is primarily, address, phone number and possibly opening hours, although in this case, they are assumed by all to be 09:00 - 18:00 Mon to Sat. I often steer away from projects where I do not believe there is a real ROI, such I might get a quick buck, but unless the customer is going to make increase money from my work, I will ultimately not get additional work. Thanks Mark 2010/1/16 Jim Lawrence > Your site is excellent... > > I agree with Gustav on his comments though. > > What costs most and takes longest in any web site is the graphics and the > design, especially if the client has a specific concept in mind. I find > that > the assembly of a layout, for a site may only take an evening but arriving > at the right layout may take a few of days and the graphics can take a long > time especially if they have to be processed in Photoshop... last site I > did > took over a week to do the graphics... Then there is documentation that is > associated the graphics as well as over-view docs... Some sites like some > eye-candy like a nice Flash header... Now if the client wants the ability > to > keep the site fresh by being able to add and change graphics and doc that > can be a lot more time. I have seen trivial sites take 2 weeks or more to > do > and the client has to be billed appropriately. > > On the other hand all businesses these days need a web presents whether > they > believe it or not. It is like the old 'Yellow' page ad or business card all > rolled into one and that is not counting the online shopping potential. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:48 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server > backups) > > Hi Mark > > That may be what is missing: Some nice pictures from and of the shop. > But they will cost here some money ... except if you are a first class > photographer too! > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 14:19 >>> > Hello All, > > Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about > www.stripeshoes.net. > > The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. > > As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:44:51 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:44:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel goal seek Message-ID: I'm trying to use Goal Seek to calculate the different components of a savings account. I've set it up and Goal Seek works correctly to determine the amount of each regular deposit. However, using the same spreadsheet, I can't get Goal Seek to calculate the number of deposits or the interest rate for a specific future value. I've entered the following formula in cell D2: =FV(C2,A2,B2) If cells A2 and C2 equal 24 and .02, respectively, I can return the amount of each deposit (164) to B2 using Goal Seek to find a future value of 5000. Similarly, if cells A2 and B2 equal 24 and 164, respectively, Goal Seek returns an interest rate of 219... um... no. If cells B2 and C2 equal 200 and .02, respectively, Goal Seek returns 48 for the number of deposits. The percentage rate format seems to be the culprit -- no matter what I format the cell as, Goal Seek seems to ignore me -- at least that's how it seems. I'm sure this is a simple question of me not knowing the right formula for D2 or I'm totally misunderstanding how Goal Seek works. In addition, why does Goal Seek always return a negative value? Susan H. From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:46:58 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:46:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web site (was: Once and for all time: server backups) In-Reply-To: <4B51FFF5.1020907@torchlake.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001150646j3d31a559r5f69bb81ec046f6e@mail.gmail.com> <2BA07D12296E4E96870C0AAD3688B756@SusanOne> <4b50bea1.0f67f10a.488d.ffff9494@mx.google.com> <4b50c6c8.0f67f10a.4c40.ffff9654@mx.google.com> <4B51FFF5.1020907@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hello Tina, thanks for your kind comment, but I am not so saintly. The lady's shop is a really beautiful shop, and the shoes she sells are absolutely breath taking. So the first benefit / feel good factor I received was having a chance to work with a high class product. It beats doing a website for the local factory. The second prospect is my wife has only two pleasures in life and shoes are one of them, so I suppose I was hoping for some kudus over the next year or two. But thank you anyway, Mark 2010/1/16 Tina Norris Fields > Mark, > You're a generous spirit. I hope that lady comes to realize it. > T > > Mark Breen wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Just wanted to say thanks for all the nice things you all said about > > www.stripeshoes.net. > > > > The shoes are absolutely beautiful in her shop. > > > > As I always say - So little time, so many shoes ! > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 16 15:48:52 2010 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:48:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hi Mark Yes, SyncToy is not fast but it seems very reliable. The folder file it creates is to uniqely identify each folder to allow you to rename them without fooling SyncToy. Most other tools - including rsync I guess - will either be fooled or start copying any file in these folders as new files. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 20:32 >>> Hello Gustav, I am reading your email and smiling. I also used synctoy, and as usual with MS, the GUI is nicer, friendly and appears easier to use. However, as you say, it does not offer the email notification that DeltaCopy uses. A much bigger PITA however, is that SyncToy seems to create a file in every folder that it backs up, this really bugs me, expecially because it is slow anyway, no faster than DeltaCopy without the extra clutter. Again, this comparison is typical of MS, I guess. I never new about the hidden / system files, thanks for letting me know about that. I am sorry, I have no suggestions how to get 1.7 set up. If I get a chance to play with it on a VM, I will report back. Good luck with it, Mark 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > I use some remote (network) drives to be backed up. But network drive > letters in Windows are not seem by Cygwin. Thus, these must be mounted the > Linux way. This could be specified in version 1.5 with some fancy Registry > entries, but this has changed completely as described in version 1.7. > It is probably very simple to set up - if you just know how. > > A way around this is to specify the UNC path in the DC config file, like > \\192.168.1.200\SomeFolder. You cannot write it directly via the GUI, > neither will DC let you browse to those locations. > > Another limitation I've found is that rsync won't copy hidden and system > files. That you could live with (if you are not using MS OneNote) but when > such files are met, rsync raises an error and your session is reported as in > error and will be repeated if you have set up DC to try multiple times in > case of error. > > Now, SyncToy could be used instead for remote to local copy, but it doesn't > support notifications - thus no e-mail reporting about the status of the > backup. > Why can one util do it all? > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 13:08 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about it > and remarked to myself about the long file names being a silly limitation > in DeltaCopy. > > As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with > Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it. > > >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do. > Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client? Or are you not using > the DeltaCopy UI at all? > > > When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a Share > really. > > One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client software > in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server name > correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the client > could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the > Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK. > > Let me know if I can help more, > > thanks > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock > > > Hi all (Linux gurus included!) > > > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with > > international characters! > > > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the > > DeltaCopy folder: > > > > chmod.exe > > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll > > cyggcc_s-1.dll > > cygiconv-2.dll > > cygintl-8.dll > > cygpopt-0.dll > > cygwin1.dll > > cygz.dll > > rsync.exe > > ssh.exe > > > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with > > international characters. > > > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the > > Registry as previously). > > It is explained here in detail: > > > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table > > > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a subfolder to > > the DeltaCopy folder. > > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but negative. > > > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a shared > > folder on the remote machine: > > > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 > > > > Any ideas? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> > > Hello Steve, > > > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear. > > > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a terabyte > > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. > > > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card > > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives > > > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and vollia, > > you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). > > > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than 300 > > usd. > > > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can keep > > the 2nd set of hot backups off site. > > > > A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on site, > > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on a > > daily basis. > > > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. > > > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > > > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as much a > > > black art as security, methinks. > > > > > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only she > > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a second HP > > > server. > > > > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no domain > > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, you are > > > good to go. << > > > > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has got all > > > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the server to > > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about conflicting > > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the backup > > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile dictu! > > > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and printer > > > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that that type > > > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am shaking my > > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the backup > > > task as stated. > > > > > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > > > > > Steve Erbach > > > Neenah, WI From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 12:53:21 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word/Acrobat compatiability Message-ID: Acrobat has totally usurped my Word menu -- adding two new menus! That seriously hampers some of my work. When shooting figures for Word blogs and articles, I can't show those Acrobat menus! Anyway to hide them? What a pia! I can't believe Acrobat and Office allow that without asking my permission or something -- or offering some alternative! I will probably just create a new toolbar and move them and close the toolbar unless I'm working with Acrobat. Susan H. From john at winhaven.net Sun Jan 17 21:39:37 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:39:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Mail for Win7 Message-ID: <000601ca97ef$dc1d5c10$94581430$@net> Is there some easy method of installing Windows Mail into Windows 7? (per user request) From john at winhaven.net Sun Jan 17 23:07:41 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:07:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Mail for Win7 Message-ID: <001401ca97fc$29e02a70$7da07f50$@net> Is there some easy method of installing Windows Mail into Windows 7? (per user request) From jerbach at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 08:56:09 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:56:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001180656s59c2581dq8bbc5fa9acf3327c@mail.gmail.com> Mark - Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory usage is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning off the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that made no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility of un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. It sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that I'll have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server application, so that should help a little. In theory. Janet On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use another > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that > is > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > thanks > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/15 Janet Erbach > > > Mark - > > > > I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right > now > > we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. > > I've > > attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged into > > the > > server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is > 4.9 > > high? > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen > wrote: > > > > > Hello Janet, > > > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% > - > > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this > and > > if > > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something > > is > > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > > (I doubt it) > > > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. > > Does > > > your machine come back to life? > > > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it > > will > > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process > > that > > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it > > was > > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > > > In summary, > > > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > > processor > > > > and > > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access > Developer > > > not > > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > > > serious > > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey > at > > > > best, > > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 > seconds > > > for > > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > > performance > > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > > custom-tweaked > > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use > > some > > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 > (we > > > use > > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > > monitoring > > > > and > > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > > IT Administrator > > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 18 09:02:08 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:02:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Message-ID: Hi Janet Didn't you have SQL Server installed and running? It can eat - or rather reserve - close to all available memory just to have it on hand. /gustav >>> jerbach at gmail.com 18-01-2010 15:56 >>> Mark - Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory usage is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning off the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that made no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility of un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. It sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that I'll have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server application, so that should help a little. In theory. Janet On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use another > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that is > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > thanks > > Mark From jerbach at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 09:11:49 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:11:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> I do have SQL installed - and when I look at resource use through SysInternals Process Explorer, sqlserver.exe is always at the top of the list. I thought I had set up the memory usage config for my sql application so that it wouldn't eat up all available memory...but now that you bring it up I'd better check it again. I may have it set up wrong... Janet On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Janet > > Didn't you have SQL Server installed and running? It can eat - or rather > reserve - close to all available memory just to have it on hand. > > /gustav > > >>> jerbach at gmail.com 18-01-2010 15:56 >>> > Mark - > > Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory > usage > is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning off > the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that > made > no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility of > un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look > into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. It > sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that I'll > have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're > also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server > application, so that should help a little. In theory. > > Janet > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run > > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use > another > > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. > > > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I > > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that > is > > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 12:30:42 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 12:43:01 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:43:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AEE45252BF94AB2B2CAD48807692999@creativesystemdesigns.com> MS SQL 2007 must take a lot of resources. I have an older Server2003 with both MS SQL 2005 and Reporting services running and when not under load take a scant 50MB, a far cry from the 6+ GB you are reporting. Here is a link that might give you some insight into how MS SQL consumes memory and suggested steps to take to reduce or manage impact: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321363 Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance I do have SQL installed - and when I look at resource use through SysInternals Process Explorer, sqlserver.exe is always at the top of the list. I thought I had set up the memory usage config for my sql application so that it wouldn't eat up all available memory...but now that you bring it up I'd better check it again. I may have it set up wrong... Janet On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Janet > > Didn't you have SQL Server installed and running? It can eat - or rather > reserve - close to all available memory just to have it on hand. > > /gustav > > >>> jerbach at gmail.com 18-01-2010 15:56 >>> > Mark - > > Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory > usage > is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning off > the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that > made > no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility of > un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look > into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. It > sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that I'll > have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're > also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server > application, so that should help a little. In theory. > > Janet > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run > > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use > another > > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. > > > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I > > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that > is > > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 18 13:01:16 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:01:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> Jim, Interesting. Does the size of national area affect how quickly the new technologies can be implemented across the nation? Is there a number of users relationship to speed? Some nations are losing speed which may be because more users are starting to use the same, unchanged network. Might it also be that some of these nations may not have many rural users? North American countries have a high percentage of their rural users connected. Many of these are left with little choice other than dial-up at this time. Questions, questions, questions... From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 18 13:05:13 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:05:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:11:49 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:11:49 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4b54b2b3.0a1ad00a.1e42.ffffaa3f@mx.google.com> Rocky, I think that is very astute. It certainly fits in with the UK and, just across the water, France where speeds in Paris, for example, are out of this World. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 18 January 2010 19:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 18 13:41:26 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:41:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <008301ca9876$39631c80$ac295580$@net> Good point -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 14:04:54 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:04:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> Message-ID: <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good questions John... I would suspect that our large rural areas have an effect on these statistics especially when small densities of people make the expansion of high speed internet costs prohibitive. The federal, provincial and municipal government did implement a fiber-optic backbone across the province but it is only used by the government. No joy there for the general population. On the other hand, countries like South Korea and Japan have a 50 percent fiber optic adoption ratio and many countries (over 20 at last count) are trying to get-an-edge by creating an enterprise friendly environment within their country. We do not even have a national fiber-optic program here. IMHO, I do not believe it is a situation that can not be left to linger for years... is would be like not having a national railway in the 1900s. I think a pro-active approach would give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent... especially in mid western and the manufacturing areas which have been so hard hit by the current recession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Jim, Interesting. Does the size of national area affect how quickly the new technologies can be implemented across the nation? Is there a number of users relationship to speed? Some nations are losing speed which may be because more users are starting to use the same, unchanged network. Might it also be that some of these nations may not have many rural users? North American countries have a high percentage of their rural users connected. Many of these are left with little choice other than dial-up at this time. Questions, questions, questions... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:15:17 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:15:17 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4b54c158.0702d00a.1eb3.ffff9916@mx.google.com> This might help. http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setup/wirelesstips.aspx max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 January 2010 20:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Good questions John... I would suspect that our large rural areas have an effect on these statistics especially when small densities of people make the expansion of high speed internet costs prohibitive. The federal, provincial and municipal government did implement a fiber-optic backbone across the province but it is only used by the government. No joy there for the general population. On the other hand, countries like South Korea and Japan have a 50 percent fiber optic adoption ratio and many countries (over 20 at last count) are trying to get-an-edge by creating an enterprise friendly environment within their country. We do not even have a national fiber-optic program here. IMHO, I do not believe it is a situation that can not be left to linger for years... is would be like not having a national railway in the 1900s. I think a pro-active approach would give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent... especially in mid western and the manufacturing areas which have been so hard hit by the current recession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Jim, Interesting. Does the size of national area affect how quickly the new technologies can be implemented across the nation? Is there a number of users relationship to speed? Some nations are losing speed which may be because more users are starting to use the same, unchanged network. Might it also be that some of these nations may not have many rural users? North American countries have a high percentage of their rural users connected. Many of these are left with little choice other than dial-up at this time. Questions, questions, questions... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 14:20:25 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:20:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2053D78123C14AD3980F9A59E294BCBB@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think you are right on money, there Rocky. But in my opinion, we can not rest on our laurels. In this new information age, coupled with a serious recession, we need every advantage and to provide every opportunity to encourage growth of our small to large businesses. On an aside; with a fully developed nation wide high speed connections, businesses could open up anywhere, where ever the rent is cheap and the environment is family friendly. This should at least slow the urbanization of the country. So how do you suggest we encourage our current monopolies or new providers to implement such a continent wide, fully integrated service? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 18 14:27:26 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:27:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com><007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5786F25F66B54BB1826179D319417B87@HAL9005> "give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent." this assumes, of course, that the current infrastructure is significantly inhibiting commerce. But I don't know that that's the case. I mean, I wonder if the average speed number can correlate to any economic consequence. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Good questions John... I would suspect that our large rural areas have an effect on these statistics especially when small densities of people make the expansion of high speed internet costs prohibitive. The federal, provincial and municipal government did implement a fiber-optic backbone across the province but it is only used by the government. No joy there for the general population. On the other hand, countries like South Korea and Japan have a 50 percent fiber optic adoption ratio and many countries (over 20 at last count) are trying to get-an-edge by creating an enterprise friendly environment within their country. We do not even have a national fiber-optic program here. IMHO, I do not believe it is a situation that can not be left to linger for years... is would be like not having a national railway in the 1900s. I think a pro-active approach would give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent... especially in mid western and the manufacturing areas which have been so hard hit by the current recession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Jim, Interesting. Does the size of national area affect how quickly the new technologies can be implemented across the nation? Is there a number of users relationship to speed? Some nations are losing speed which may be because more users are starting to use the same, unchanged network. Might it also be that some of these nations may not have many rural users? North American countries have a high percentage of their rural users connected. Many of these are left with little choice other than dial-up at this time. Questions, questions, questions... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:54:02 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:54:02 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <2053D78123C14AD3980F9A59E294BCBB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> <2053D78123C14AD3980F9A59E294BCBB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4b54ca72.0a04d00a.287c.23e2@mx.google.com> This might help http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setup/wirelesstips.aspx max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 January 2010 20:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds I think you are right on money, there Rocky. But in my opinion, we can not rest on our laurels. In this new information age, coupled with a serious recession, we need every advantage and to provide every opportunity to encourage growth of our small to large businesses. On an aside; with a fully developed nation wide high speed connections, businesses could open up anywhere, where ever the rent is cheap and the environment is family friendly. This should at least slow the urbanization of the country. So how do you suggest we encourage our current monopolies or new providers to implement such a continent wide, fully integrated service? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 15:14:06 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:14:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <4b54b2b3.0a1ad00a.1e42.ffffaa3f@mx.google.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> <4b54b2b3.0a1ad00a.1e42.ffffaa3f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <88BAEDC308A844B7B15F2215BA555FB4@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think high speed fiber-optic connections are incredible. I have witnessed 50GB files being simply dragged and dropped from one city to the next, with a delay similar to moving files across your desktop. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Rocky, I think that is very astute. It certainly fits in with the UK and, just across the water, France where speeds in Paris, for example, are out of this World. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 18 January 2010 19:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 15:40:40 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:40:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <5786F25F66B54BB1826179D319417B87@HAL9005> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9870$9e7f9180$db7eb480$@net> <1BC524CA5B37452D94EAC8DA6331C088@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5786F25F66B54BB1826179D319417B87@HAL9005> Message-ID: <37EDC6FE83314F2D90CDFAFDB7C2FA81@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have not done a great deal of research into how implementing high performance internet would over-all improve the situation. Its time for you to do some of the good research that you have become known for. I do know that my remote client support is negatively impacted and when I am in some remote region and I find it almost impossible to support any client from that region. I have gone so far as to rate motels and hotels by the quality of their internet connection and have used that information for accommodation selection or whether I will even reside in certain areas with poor communication. I have also found that it can limit client application choices as they are forced to accept some of the older desktop based technologies and limited internet integration. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:27 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds "give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent." this assumes, of course, that the current infrastructure is significantly inhibiting commerce. But I don't know that that's the case. I mean, I wonder if the average speed number can correlate to any economic consequence. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Good questions John... I would suspect that our large rural areas have an effect on these statistics especially when small densities of people make the expansion of high speed internet costs prohibitive. The federal, provincial and municipal government did implement a fiber-optic backbone across the province but it is only used by the government. No joy there for the general population. On the other hand, countries like South Korea and Japan have a 50 percent fiber optic adoption ratio and many countries (over 20 at last count) are trying to get-an-edge by creating an enterprise friendly environment within their country. We do not even have a national fiber-optic program here. IMHO, I do not believe it is a situation that can not be left to linger for years... is would be like not having a national railway in the 1900s. I think a pro-active approach would give our countrys' the structure to develop businesses in any area on the continent... especially in mid western and the manufacturing areas which have been so hard hit by the current recession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Jim, Interesting. Does the size of national area affect how quickly the new technologies can be implemented across the nation? Is there a number of users relationship to speed? Some nations are losing speed which may be because more users are starting to use the same, unchanged network. Might it also be that some of these nations may not have many rural users? North American countries have a high percentage of their rural users connected. Many of these are left with little choice other than dial-up at this time. Questions, questions, questions... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 18 15:41:12 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:41:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds In-Reply-To: <4b54ca72.0a04d00a.287c.23e2@mx.google.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <8D45C6B30BED4BE89510DFAC881319F0@HAL9005> <2053D78123C14AD3980F9A59E294BCBB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4b54ca72.0a04d00a.287c.23e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4B522AD28E5845EDAD14B24E3FB03894@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good info Max. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds This might help http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setup/wirelesstips.aspx max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 January 2010 20:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds I think you are right on money, there Rocky. But in my opinion, we can not rest on our laurels. In this new information age, coupled with a serious recession, we need every advantage and to provide every opportunity to encourage growth of our small to large businesses. On an aside; with a fully developed nation wide high speed connections, businesses could open up anywhere, where ever the rent is cheap and the environment is family friendly. This should at least slow the urbanization of the country. So how do you suggest we encourage our current monopolies or new providers to implement such a continent wide, fully integrated service? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Could the stats be skewed by the fact that he U.S. was the leader in developing the internet and dial-up was the dominant connection for so many years? Other countries, developing their internet infrastructure later may have leapfrogged right over the dial-up technology and so more of their connections would be high-speed, where in the U.S. the legacy of dial-up might lower our average? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Connection speeds Here is a little bit of trivia about the connection speeds standardized in countries around the world. At one time Canada and the US had the highest rating and now they are well below even the top 10. Without the higher speeds new technology can not be fully implemented. Other countries have taken the lead because of a more open enterprise culture or/and strongly directed government standards. Monopolies in both the US and Canada and the governments policies of let the market take care of itself has lead to this weakened position... Let us hope the government will take a more pro-active stance as it is unlikely monopolies have any impedus to improve. See the following link for the current statistics: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10434930-94.html Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Mon Jan 18 20:17:20 2010 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:17:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31001130838w3259f3e9p4be9692cf48b1af8@mail.gmail.com> References: <000c01ca452b$567ea0d0$037be270$@rr.com> <65AE8875BC2C4056B226EE59613F0430@creativesystemdesigns.com> <03bf01ca45cb$f2e6cc90$d8b465b0$@net> <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> <39cb22f31001130838w3259f3e9p4be9692cf48b1af8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701ca98ad$87982620$96c87260$@rr.com> Steve, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I was trying so many different things, I am not sure exactly what I did. This is what I think I did. Since I was running VMware workstation on the pc to be converted, I had to convert from another machine. 1) I installed VMware converter (VC) on the other machine. 2) I then ran VC against a Ghost 14 image on that target machine. 3) After the drive was created, I think that I then created a new VM how I wanted it and then connected it to the virtual drive created in #2. 4) Once I brought up the new VM, it all worked! I did have to re-authenticate windows, biut it was all done through the web. I did not have to call. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive Bobby, Are you saying that you restored from the Ghost image to the "fresh" virtual machine you created and voil?! The newly restored VM booted up without a hitch? Did the "fresh" virtual drive have to be prepped in any way? That is, did you "format" it first? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Bobby Heid wrote: > John, > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) to > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other than > Vista is pretty easy. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:31 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive > > Hi Steve, > What technique do you use for doing this? > > I am doing a job this week where I'm setting up VPC VMs on a new XP > machine. > > The client currently runs a number of DOS apps on a Win98 PC. > > My plans are to create a DOS VM and copy the DOS apps/files over to it and > see if I can skip Win98 altogether. But there may also be some little used > applications on this PC that may require Win98. The problem is that this is > a production machine and I can't have the time with it to determine this > until I get the apps/files/hardware all working for the DOS programs which > are vital to daily ops. Once that is accomplished I can determine if I need > to image the HD and create a Win98 VM. > > I was planning on using Acronis for imaging the HD and converting to a > Win98 > VM this but would welcome any suggestions. > > John B. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 19 12:06:35 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:06:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> Google has been going into over-drive mode trying to find the culprits who managed the break-in to the Google Gmail sites. To that end they have shut down the Beijing office while a forensic search of all data and communication records goes on...it may be a Google insider who had the required knowledge. Supposedly, a security hole in a number IE versions allowed the attack and governments all over the world seem to be very concerned. (As of yet the patch has not been completed.) http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10436618-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea. 1 The attack is considered a super sophisticated and required a number of integrated components to work. The nature of the attack is such that it is widely believed that the process was encourage and sponsored by the Chinese government who would have a vested interest in the discourse of foreign and local decedents. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora In addition, to the hacking of Google a number of companies were hacked and source code extracted which may have in turn been used to launch the Google attack that appears to have been the main object of the exercise: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10434721-245.html?tag=mncol;txt The actual code that utilized the IE hole has been posted according to the following link and if so it will not be long before every devious hacker and script kiddies will have a copy: http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-exploit-in-google-atta ck-now-public Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a patch can be created and distributed? That would be difficult as so many companies and individuals depend on IE to run their business. According to many experts the attack code can not be deployed unless the victim initially connects to a tricked up predatory site. AVG now has a free link-scanner which is supposed to catch or be able to identify links from your current web page that may be dangerous: http://linkscanner.avg.com The truth is, it is probably beyond the capability of any browser to be a hundred percent effective against an attack especially if the perpetrator is capable of investing unlimited resources, in such a venture. Jim From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:22:35 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:22:35 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in In-Reply-To: <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4b55f8af.0506d00a.2c1c.ffffd916@mx.google.com> I wonder what MS's take on this is. They are just as affected as Google. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 January 2010 18:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in Google has been going into over-drive mode trying to find the culprits who managed the break-in to the Google Gmail sites. To that end they have shut down the Beijing office while a forensic search of all data and communication records goes on...it may be a Google insider who had the required knowledge. Supposedly, a security hole in a number IE versions allowed the attack and governments all over the world seem to be very concerned. (As of yet the patch has not been completed.) http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10436618-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea. 1 The attack is considered a super sophisticated and required a number of integrated components to work. The nature of the attack is such that it is widely believed that the process was encourage and sponsored by the Chinese government who would have a vested interest in the discourse of foreign and local decedents. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora In addition, to the hacking of Google a number of companies were hacked and source code extracted which may have in turn been used to launch the Google attack that appears to have been the main object of the exercise: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10434721-245.html?tag=mncol;txt The actual code that utilized the IE hole has been posted according to the following link and if so it will not be long before every devious hacker and script kiddies will have a copy: http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-exploit-in-google-atta ck-now-public Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a patch can be created and distributed? That would be difficult as so many companies and individuals depend on IE to run their business. According to many experts the attack code can not be deployed unless the victim initially connects to a tricked up predatory site. AVG now has a free link-scanner which is supposed to catch or be able to identify links from your current web page that may be dangerous: http://linkscanner.avg.com The truth is, it is probably beyond the capability of any browser to be a hundred percent effective against an attack especially if the perpetrator is capable of investing unlimited resources, in such a venture. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 12:29:04 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:29:04 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in In-Reply-To: <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4B55F9F0.5090607@earthlink.net> Jim> Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a >patch can be created and distributed? For security & performance it seems reasonable to restrict IE use to (i) Microsoft sites and (ii) reputable sites that work correctly only with IE. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > Google has been going into over-drive mode trying to find the culprits who > managed the break-in to the Google Gmail sites. To that end they have shut > down the Beijing office while a forensic search of all data and > communication records goes on...it may be a Google insider who had the > required knowledge. Supposedly, a security hole in a number IE versions > allowed the attack and governments all over the world seem to be very > concerned. (As of yet the patch has not been completed.) > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10436618-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea. > 1 > > > The attack is considered a super sophisticated and required a number of > integrated components to work. The nature of the attack is such that it is > widely believed that the process was encourage and sponsored by the Chinese > government who would have a vested interest in the discourse of foreign and > local decedents. > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora > > > In addition, to the hacking of Google a number of companies were hacked and > source code extracted which may have in turn been used to launch the Google > attack that appears to have been the main object of the exercise: > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10434721-245.html?tag=mncol;txt > > > The actual code that utilized the IE hole has been posted according to the > following link and if so it will not be long before every devious hacker and > script kiddies will have a copy: > > http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-exploit-in-google-atta > ck-now-public > > > Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a > patch can be created and distributed? That would be difficult as so many > companies and individuals depend on IE to run their business. According to > many experts the attack code can not be deployed unless the victim initially > connects to a tricked up predatory site. > > AVG now has a free link-scanner which is supposed to catch or be able to > identify links from your current web page that may be dangerous: > > http://linkscanner.avg.com > > > The truth is, it is probably beyond the capability of any browser to be a > hundred percent effective against an attack especially if the perpetrator is > capable of investing unlimited resources, in such a venture. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00 > > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 19 12:49:39 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:49:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in In-Reply-To: <4b55f8af.0506d00a.2c1c.ffffd916@mx.google.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4b55f8af.0506d00a.2c1c.ffffd916@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It seems that many governments have stopped using IE until a patch can be built and deployed. I think Microsoft is working fulltime on this fix as it has been and is an ongoing public relations nightmare... I also wonder whether this will adversely affect them in the continuing browser wars? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in I wonder what MS's take on this is. They are just as affected as Google. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 January 2010 18:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in Google has been going into over-drive mode trying to find the culprits who managed the break-in to the Google Gmail sites. To that end they have shut down the Beijing office while a forensic search of all data and communication records goes on...it may be a Google insider who had the required knowledge. Supposedly, a security hole in a number IE versions allowed the attack and governments all over the world seem to be very concerned. (As of yet the patch has not been completed.) http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10436618-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea. 1 The attack is considered a super sophisticated and required a number of integrated components to work. The nature of the attack is such that it is widely believed that the process was encourage and sponsored by the Chinese government who would have a vested interest in the discourse of foreign and local decedents. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora In addition, to the hacking of Google a number of companies were hacked and source code extracted which may have in turn been used to launch the Google attack that appears to have been the main object of the exercise: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10434721-245.html?tag=mncol;txt The actual code that utilized the IE hole has been posted according to the following link and if so it will not be long before every devious hacker and script kiddies will have a copy: http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-exploit-in-google-atta ck-now-public Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a patch can be created and distributed? That would be difficult as so many companies and individuals depend on IE to run their business. According to many experts the attack code can not be deployed unless the victim initially connects to a tricked up predatory site. AVG now has a free link-scanner which is supposed to catch or be able to identify links from your current web page that may be dangerous: http://linkscanner.avg.com The truth is, it is probably beyond the capability of any browser to be a hundred percent effective against an attack especially if the perpetrator is capable of investing unlimited resources, in such a venture. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 19 12:50:37 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:50:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in In-Reply-To: <4B55F9F0.5090607@earthlink.net> References: <6ef6ac2c1001180711r276ccffaxdecccad2ee86a120@mail.gmail.com> <548B17C14CBE408E819139359B2C2828@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4B55F9F0.5090607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04B2BC4E89BD40FB9B11F58820F3DAE8@creativesystemdesigns.com> That would probably be a good suggestion... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The storm after the break in Jim> Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a >patch can be created and distributed? For security & performance it seems reasonable to restrict IE use to (i) Microsoft sites and (ii) reputable sites that work correctly only with IE. PB ----- Jim Lawrence wrote: > Google has been going into over-drive mode trying to find the culprits who > managed the break-in to the Google Gmail sites. To that end they have shut > down the Beijing office while a forensic search of all data and > communication records goes on...it may be a Google insider who had the > required knowledge. Supposedly, a security hole in a number IE versions > allowed the attack and governments all over the world seem to be very > concerned. (As of yet the patch has not been completed.) > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10436618-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea. > 1 > > > The attack is considered a super sophisticated and required a number of > integrated components to work. The nature of the attack is such that it is > widely believed that the process was encourage and sponsored by the Chinese > government who would have a vested interest in the discourse of foreign and > local decedents. > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora > > > In addition, to the hacking of Google a number of companies were hacked and > source code extracted which may have in turn been used to launch the Google > attack that appears to have been the main object of the exercise: > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10434721-245.html?tag=mncol;txt > > > The actual code that utilized the IE hole has been posted according to the > following link and if so it will not be long before every devious hacker and > script kiddies will have a copy: > > http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-exploit-in-google-atta > ck-now-public > > > Does this mean that we should stop using IE, as some have suggested, until a > patch can be created and distributed? That would be difficult as so many > companies and individuals depend on IE to run their business. According to > many experts the attack code can not be deployed unless the victim initially > connects to a tricked up predatory site. > > AVG now has a free link-scanner which is supposed to catch or be able to > identify links from your current web page that may be dangerous: > > http://linkscanner.avg.com > > > The truth is, it is probably beyond the capability of any browser to be a > hundred percent effective against an attack especially if the perpetrator is > capable of investing unlimited resources, in such a venture. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 19 13:13:19 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:13:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38A5E62834AF46FC881CC738EB1D13E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> I am current working with a Network Tech and good friend at a client's site installing the same server package. It is a porker; the first thing we did was turn off Exchange so it could run system in real time while we tried to configure it. There is a setting that will limit the built in MS SQL from consuming all the systems resources... I can send you info along as soon as I have the details...? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance Mark - I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right now we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. I've attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged into the server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is 4.9 high? Janet On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and if > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something is > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > (I doubt it) > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. Does > your machine come back to life? > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it will > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process that > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it was > re-booted, it was OK. > > In summary, > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > Hello! > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz processor > > and > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > not > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > serious > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > best, > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > for > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > background to cause it. > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > performance > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > custom-tweaked > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use some > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > use > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for monitoring > > and > > for WSUS). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Janet Erbach > > IT Administrator > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jerbach at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 15:02:39 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:02:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <38A5E62834AF46FC881CC738EB1D13E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> <38A5E62834AF46FC881CC738EB1D13E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001191302n562c458cp907dc92ca6a96f5e@mail.gmail.com> Sure - that would be fine! We are NOT running Exchange. We have no need of it, so all of those services are disabled (and the error logs complain about it EVERY DAY...there's no way to tell it to forget about it already). I also have set a couple of memory parameters in my sql database to try and limit usage, but I may not be doing it properly. So I would welcome that. Thanks! Janet On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I am current working with a Network Tech and good friend at a client's site > installing the same server package. It is a porker; the first thing we did > was turn off Exchange so it could run system in real time while we tried to > configure it. There is a setting that will limit the built in MS SQL from > consuming all the systems resources... I can send you info along as soon as > I have the details...? > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:37 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance > > Mark - > > I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right now > we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. > I've > attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged into > the > server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is 4.9 > high? > > Janet > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get 80% - > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this and > if > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of something > is > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > (I doubt it) > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. > Does > > your machine come back to life? > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, it > will > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process > that > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once it > was > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > In summary, > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > processor > > > and > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access Developer > > not > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do some > > > serious > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey at > > > best, > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 seconds > > for > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in the > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > performance > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > custom-tweaked > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use > some > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 (we > > use > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > monitoring > > > and > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > IT Administrator > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 06:05:19 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:05:19 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New virtual drive In-Reply-To: References: <19A1712F397A4A848E24CF9A4947F9D5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <004f01ca460a$163ec470$42bc4d50$@net> <109BADDD9A554C6BAC6F042BBB09EEFE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <39cb22f31001120729w59e14ee8n2923166ddddc7fd8@mail.gmail.com> <019801ca93a4$8ee396c0$acaac440$@net> <005301ca93f6$53564100$fa02c300$@rr.com> <39cb22f31001130836ic566a21n8cd3d429d1bcc554@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, Well I ran the P2V mentioned below and it worked a treat. The image is 80 GB. I think created a new machine in HyperV and it also worked a treat, and then booted the machine. After it booted, it said it must connect to MS to activate Windows, which is OK, I know the hardware is different. However, the machine is not seeing the network connection / internet and cannot connect to MS. The only other option is to phone MS but they say I need my CD to call out the PID Key. Believe it or not, I consciously threw out about 100 CD a few months ago, including loads of old Dell OS disks - including the OS for this laptop. I have other XP images and keys I can use, but I do not want to re-install XP on the V machine, it defeats of the purpose of the P2V tool. So, any ideas how I will get the newly imaged V machine to see the internet through HyperV. I have installed the legacy network and bound it to the physical card on the host machine. TIA Mark 2010/1/14 Mark Breen > Thanks Steve, > > that is great news, I will try Sysinternals today > > Mark > > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > Mark, >> >> >> First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a >> repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not >> have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop I >> want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or >> if >> I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I >> will >> be good to go. << >> >> I'm sorry if I confused the issue. John asked about Windows 98. I have >> not >> converted a Windows 98 machine to a VM...I've only done it successfully >> with >> two Windows XP Pro machines. >> >> I had to dig out the XP disk because converting an existing physical XP >> machine to a VM requires that Windows XP be informed as to the different >> hardware available to it. It's similar to extracting a Windows hard disk >> from one machine and installing it into a completely different PC and >> trying >> to get it to boot. You have to run a repair on Windows to get it to >> recognize the new hardware and install the necessary drivers. >> >> The Sysinternals Disk2vhd program simply converts the existing hard disk >> to >> a VHD file with no alteration of the contents of the drive. The repair >> has >> to be done on Windows to get it to boot as a VM using Microsoft Virtual >> PC. >> My educated guess would be that something similar has to be done with any >> other virtualizing software before a converted bootable drive can be made >> to >> run under a virtualization scheme. >> >> My 2nd XP machine that I converted to a VM was a royal pain in the neck >> because its registry was a little flaky. I finally used PCTools Registry >> Mechanic to iron out its wobbles. That allowed a "clean" VHD to be >> created. >> THEN I could repair the Windows install. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Erbach >> Neenah, WI >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Mark Breen wrote: >> >> > Hello All, >> > >> > I am reading this thread with baited breath. >> > >> > ( >> > By they way, is that the correct spelling of baited, should it be bated, >> as >> > in unabated. >> > >> > Haha, I just googled this question, and if you do not mind, I will leave >> it >> > here for amusement >> > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm >> > http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bated-breath.html >> > >> > ) >> > >> > >> > Back to the thread. >> > >> > First to Steve: you mentioned that you had to use an XP Cd to perform a >> > repair / upgrade. Is that because the machine was Win98? Could you not >> > have left it running as Win98. The reason I ask is I have an XP Laptop >> I >> > want to P2V so I am wondering will I still need to dig out a XP disk, or >> if >> > I am happy with the OS, can I use the tools you kindly recommdned and I >> > will >> > be good to go. >> > >> > To Bobby:My brother is trying to convince me to switch to VMWare instead >> of >> > VM by MS, including the HyperV Services that I am happy with on W2k8. >> Do >> > you think that VM ware is better, If so, should I try to install from >> > scratch or can I load it on top of W2k8. I get the impression from a >> first >> > pass on the VM ware site that there are two breeds of VM ware, on that >> > installs over an existing OS and one that installs on a bare metal box - >> is >> > that a correct assumption? If so, I have to assume that the bare metal >> box >> > is much better. >> > >> > >> > To All: >> > This year I build a number of VM machines, Win2k3, 2k8, Vista, Win7, XP >> Pro >> > etc. My experience was pretty much good. I can use them as IIS >> Servers, >> > SQL Servers etc with no probs. However, when I try to use the Vista or >> the >> > W7 machine as a Front End machine, IOW as a machine where the primary >> > function is to server a fast GUI then I was dis-satasfied. IOW, I can >> use >> > it for a few minutes or hours even, but when I was the sort of response >> > time >> > you get from a native machine, the VM was not giving it. Sure it can >> load >> > MS word or VS2008, but I found small delays of 1/2 second to be >> tireseome >> > when traversing VS2008 or SSMS etc. >> > >> > IOW, my personal summary was for rapid response from a GUI stick with >> > physical machine, but the VM were really really good as a second choice. >> > >> > I built up a library of machine that I do not touch, and a second >> library >> > that I use, but can delete and replace with the clean machine at >> anytime. >> > >> > One last thing, you can move machines from Virtual Server to HyperV, but >> > you >> > have to re-activate Windows when you move them. >> > One other last thing, since I saw how good HyperV is, I do not wish to >> ever >> > use Virtual Server again. >> > AFAIK, HyperV requires W2k8 >> > >> > Hope someone benefits from this and you do not have to wait with bated >> > breath again like me:) >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/1/13 Bobby Heid >> > >> > > John, >> > > >> > > I used VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) >> to >> > > convert my Vista64 PC using a Ghost 14 backup image to a VM with great >> > > success. I think, from what I read, that doing V2PC for stuff other >> than >> > > Vista is pretty easy. >> > > >> > > Bobby >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 06:13:38 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001180656s59c2581dq8bbc5fa9acf3327c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001180656s59c2581dq8bbc5fa9acf3327c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Janet, I have a large online asp.net web app that is running now for 2 years. It runs on a Dell Server with 2 GB ram, and a celeron processor, I bought the server for ?750 (approxd $1000 new from Dell). We handle 400 visitors per day to the site for two years. And performance is always perfectly fine. I think that one thing is hogging your memory and you have to find that. Moving SQL to another machine should not be a necessity for you, and certainly not to another expensive server. What about immediately on boot up, can you watch the services coming up and observer the memory increasing and identify the culprit? good luck, Mark 2010/1/18 Janet Erbach > Mark - > > Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory > usage > is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning off > the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that > made > no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility of > un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look > into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. It > sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that I'll > have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're > also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server > application, so that should help a little. In theory. > > Janet > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Janet, > > > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I run > > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use > another > > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical memory. > > > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when I > > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing that > > is > > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > 2010/1/15 Janet Erbach > > > > > Mark - > > > > > > I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. Right > > now > > > we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical memory. > > > I've > > > attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged > into > > > the > > > server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly 9g...Is > > 4.9 > > > high? > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Janet, > > > > > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get > 80% > > - > > > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check this > > and > > > if > > > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of > something > > > is > > > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > > > (I doubt it) > > > > > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of your > > > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill it. > > > Does > > > > your machine come back to life? > > > > > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, > it > > > will > > > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a process > > > that > > > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once > it > > > was > > > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > > > > > In summary, > > > > > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > > > processor > > > > > and > > > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access > > Developer > > > > not > > > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do > some > > > > > serious > > > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is pokey > > at > > > > > best, > > > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 > > seconds > > > > for > > > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in > the > > > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > > > performance > > > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > > > custom-tweaked > > > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also use > > > some > > > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver 2005 > > (we > > > > use > > > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > > > monitoring > > > > > and > > > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > > > IT Administrator > > > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 06:14:55 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Another aspect of DeltaCopy I liked was the integration with the Scheduler, I think it is possible to use switches with SyncToy but I did not get the working, did you? thanks Mark 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > Yes, SyncToy is not fast but it seems very reliable. > The folder file it creates is to uniqely identify each folder to allow you > to rename them without fooling SyncToy. Most other tools - including rsync I > guess - will either be fooled or start copying any file in these folders as > new files. > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 20:32 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > I am reading your email and smiling. > > I also used synctoy, and as usual with MS, the GUI is nicer, friendly and > appears easier to use. However, as you say, it does not offer the email > notification that DeltaCopy uses. A much bigger PITA however, is that > SyncToy seems to create a file in every folder that it backs up, this > really > bugs me, expecially because it is slow anyway, no faster than DeltaCopy > without the extra clutter. Again, this comparison is typical of MS, I > guess. > > I never new about the hidden / system files, thanks for letting me know > about that. > > I am sorry, I have no suggestions how to get 1.7 set up. If I get a chance > to play with it on a VM, I will report back. > > Good luck with it, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > > > Hi Mark > > > > I use some remote (network) drives to be backed up. But network drive > > letters in Windows are not seem by Cygwin. Thus, these must be mounted > the > > Linux way. This could be specified in version 1.5 with some fancy > Registry > > entries, but this has changed completely as described in version 1.7. > > It is probably very simple to set up - if you just know how. > > > > A way around this is to specify the UNC path in the DC config file, like > > \\192.168.1.200\SomeFolder. You cannot write it directly via the GUI, > > neither will DC let you browse to those locations. > > > > Another limitation I've found is that rsync won't copy hidden and system > > files. That you could live with (if you are not using MS OneNote) but > when > > such files are met, rsync raises an error and your session is reported as > in > > error and will be repeated if you have set up DC to try multiple times in > > case of error. > > > > Now, SyncToy could be used instead for remote to local copy, but it > doesn't > > support notifications - thus no e-mail reporting about the status of the > > backup. > > Why can one util do it all? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 13:08 >>> > > Hello Gustav, > > > > First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about > it > > and remarked to myself about the long file names being a silly > limitation > > in DeltaCopy. > > > > As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with > > Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it. > > > > >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > > What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do. > > Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client? Or are you not > using > > the DeltaCopy UI at all? > > > > > > When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a > Share > > really. > > > > One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client > software > > in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server > name > > correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the > client > > could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the > > Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK. > > > > Let me know if I can help more, > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock > > > > > Hi all (Linux gurus included!) > > > > > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with > > > international characters! > > > > > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the > > > DeltaCopy folder: > > > > > > chmod.exe > > > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll > > > cyggcc_s-1.dll > > > cygiconv-2.dll > > > cygintl-8.dll > > > cygpopt-0.dll > > > cygwin1.dll > > > cygz.dll > > > rsync.exe > > > ssh.exe > > > > > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with > > > international characters. > > > > > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7? > > > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the > > > Registry as previously). > > > It is explained here in detail: > > > > > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table > > > > > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a > subfolder to > > > the DeltaCopy folder. > > > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but > negative. > > > > > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a > shared > > > folder on the remote machine: > > > > > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0 > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>> > > > Hello Steve, > > > > > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear. > > > > > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a > terabyte > > > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration. > > > > > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card > > > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives > > > > > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and > vollia, > > > you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good). > > > > > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than > 300 > > > usd. > > > > > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can > keep > > > the 2nd set of hot backups off site. > > > > > > A tip: If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on > site, > > > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on > a > > > daily basis. > > > > > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread << > > > > > > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers. Backup is as > much a > > > > black art as security, methinks. > > > > > > > > That "hot" backup idea is good. I'll chat with Janet about it. Only > she > > > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a > second HP > > > > server. > > > > > > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no > domain > > > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B, > you are > > > > good to go. << > > > > > > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup > > > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has > got all > > > > of those things ready to go? I mean, with an image backup of the > server to > > > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about > conflicting > > > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the > backup > > > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile > dictu! > > > > The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and > printer > > > > definitions, etc. What is so frickin' magical about servers that > that type > > > > of backup can't be done? Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am > shaking my > > > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the > backup > > > > task as stated. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input, Mark. > > > > > > > > Steve Erbach > > > > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 20 06:27:02 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:27:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hi Mark I haven't tried to use SyncToy other than manually but will look into it some day ... /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-01-2010 13:14 >>> Hello Gustav, Another aspect of DeltaCopy I liked was the integration with the Scheduler, I think it is possible to use switches with SyncToy but I did not get the working, did you? thanks Mark 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > Yes, SyncToy is not fast but it seems very reliable. > The folder file it creates is to uniqely identify each folder to allow you > to rename them without fooling SyncToy. Most other tools - including rsync I > guess - will either be fooled or start copying any file in these folders as > new files. > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 20:32 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > I am reading your email and smiling. > > I also used synctoy, and as usual with MS, the GUI is nicer, friendly and > appears easier to use. However, as you say, it does not offer the email > notification that DeltaCopy uses. A much bigger PITA however, is that > SyncToy seems to create a file in every folder that it backs up, this really > bugs me, expecially because it is slow anyway, no faster than DeltaCopy > without the extra clutter. Again, this comparison is typical of MS, I guess. > > I never new about the hidden / system files, thanks for letting me know > about that. > > I am sorry, I have no suggestions how to get 1.7 set up. If I get a chance > to play with it on a VM, I will report back. > > Good luck with it, > > Mark From jerbach at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 08:30:21 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:30:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001180656s59c2581dq8bbc5fa9acf3327c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001200630q3665259cl6577cc479957bf5f@mail.gmail.com> Mark - The boot up suggestion is an excellent one. I think I will try that this weekend. In the meantime virtual memory usage is up to 9.4gb...so I'm just waiting for the whole thing to melt down. Then I can go home and forget about it!! You just made me think of something, though. Do you think it's possible that this is a hardware issue and not a software one? Janet On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Janet, > > I have a large online asp.net web app that is running now for 2 years. It > runs on a Dell Server with 2 GB ram, and a celeron processor, I bought the > server for ?750 (approxd $1000 new from Dell). We handle 400 visitors per > day to the site for two years. And performance is always perfectly fine. > > I think that one thing is hogging your memory and you have to find that. > Moving SQL to another machine should not be a necessity for you, and > certainly not to another expensive server. > > What about immediately on boot up, can you watch the services coming up and > observer the memory increasing and identify the culprit? > > good luck, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/18 Janet Erbach > > > Mark - > > > > Just as an update...As of this morning, virtual memory/physical memory > > usage > > is pretty near 7 gb. It's been that way all weekend. I tried turning > off > > the services I could find that were related to SBS Monitoring, but that > > made > > no difference in memory usage. I'm going to investigate the possibility > of > > un-installing Monitoring altogether; and then I'll probably have to look > > into disabling other SBS 'standard-you-gotta-have-em' services as well. > It > > sure looks to me like SBS 2008 is a resource hog by default, and that > I'll > > have to turn off quite a few things before I see any improvements. We're > > also looking at investing in a second server for our main sql server > > application, so that should help a little. In theory. > > > > Janet > > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Breen > wrote: > > > > > Hello Janet, > > > > > > I am not an expert, but I think it is high. Most of the OS's that I > run > > > only use about 1 GB, and then if I have SQL Server it can often use > > another > > > GB or even 1.5 GB. > > > > > > So what is using 9 GB of virtual memory, or even 4.9 of physical > memory. > > > > > > To repeat what I may not have said so clearly in my earlier email, when > I > > > have a machine that is crawling, I usually expect it to be one thing > that > > > is > > > killing the machine and when that is fixed, all comes back to normal. > > > > > > It sounds like you are getting closer. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/15 Janet Erbach > > > > > > > Mark - > > > > > > > > I used SysInternals Process explorer to look at resource usage. > Right > > > now > > > > we're using almost 4.9g of virtual memory and 4.4g of physical > memory. > > > > I've > > > > attached a screen shot. This last weekend when Steven and I logged > > into > > > > the > > > > server from home we found that virtual memory was up to nearly > 9g...Is > > > 4.9 > > > > high? > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Mark Breen > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Janet, > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, there are loads of tools, but you can usually get > > 80% > > > - > > > > > 90% of the problem by checking a few basics. > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12 GB is great, so you are probably only using 2-3 gb, check > this > > > and > > > > if > > > > > it is the case, forget about SQL Server. on the other hand of > > something > > > > is > > > > > using 9 - 10 gb you have a suspect. > > > > > (I doubt it) > > > > > > > > > > 2) Using plain old taskmgr , check what process is using most of > your > > > > > processing power - something is. Identify that process and kill > it. > > > > Does > > > > > your machine come back to life? > > > > > > > > > > Until these two steps are complete, I would not complicate matters, > > it > > > > will > > > > > be a simple problem and easy to fix, once you identify the culprit. > > > > > > > > > > I had a problem last year with McAfee AV and is was running a > process > > > > that > > > > > was killing the UI, I could not kill it, but could reboot, and once > > it > > > > was > > > > > re-booted, it was OK. > > > > > > > > > > In summary, > > > > > > > > > > have you approx 9 GB ram free? > > > > > on average is 99% of CPU resources free? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/13 Janet Erbach > > > > > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > > > > > We're running SBS 2008 on an HP Proliant 370 G5 with a 2.67ghz > > > > processor > > > > > > and > > > > > > 12gb of ram. I'm not an expert - (Damn it Jim, I'm an Access > > > Developer > > > > > not > > > > > > a Network Administrator!) - but I'm convinced that I need to do > > some > > > > > > serious > > > > > > performance tune-ups on the server. Console response time is > pokey > > > at > > > > > > best, > > > > > > and obscenely slow more often than I'd like - when it takes 30 > > > seconds > > > > > for > > > > > > windows explorer to load, there's got to be something going on in > > the > > > > > > background to cause it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me some pointers on where to start looking for > > > > > performance > > > > > > issues? Does the built-in SBS Monitoring software need to be > > > > > > custom-tweaked > > > > > > to prevent it from negatively impact performance? I could also > use > > > > some > > > > > > guidance in how to set memory usage allocations for sqlserver > 2005 > > > (we > > > > > use > > > > > > sql for our order processing application, and SBS uses it for > > > > monitoring > > > > > > and > > > > > > for WSUS). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Janet Erbach > > > > > > IT Administrator > > > > > > Natural Healthy Concepts > > > > > > www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 20 13:33:42 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:33:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating a Mac-on-Stick using Mini vMac Message-ID: Hi all If you have a 32 MB USB stick floating and don't know what else to do, you can turn it into a "Mac-on-Stick using Mini vMac" to simulate a retro Mac Classic: http://www.linuxbeacon.com/doku.php/minivmac Could be fun! /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 20 21:32:21 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:32:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating a Mac-on-Stick using Mini vMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Way cool. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:34 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating a Mac-on-Stick using Mini vMac Hi all If you have a 32 MB USB stick floating and don't know what else to do, you can turn it into a "Mac-on-Stick using Mini vMac" to simulate a retro Mac Classic: http://www.linuxbeacon.com/doku.php/minivmac Could be fun! /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 06:15:44 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:15:44 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Message-ID: Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 06:17:09 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:17:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: SBS 2008 performance In-Reply-To: References: <6ef6ac2c1001130739v35ccd3e5k9e21cdfc4c4b787e@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001151237w5c4a9af4gf5d76d2b1d252c8f@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001180656s59c2581dq8bbc5fa9acf3327c@mail.gmail.com> <6ef6ac2c1001200630q3665259cl6577cc479957bf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Janet No, I think you have one rogue application, and when you kill that, you will be back to having 1.7 GB used and all the rest will be perfect. And you will be a hero. You have to find that app that is leaking / hogging memory, HTH, thanks Mark 2010/1/20 Janet Erbach Mark - > > The boot up suggestion is an excellent one. I think I will try that this > weekend. In the meantime virtual memory usage is up to 9.4gb...so I'm just > waiting for the whole thing to melt down. Then I can go home and forget > about it!! > > You just made me think of something, though. Do you think it's possible > that this is a hardware issue and not a software one? > > Janet > > From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 21 07:11:31 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:11:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> Try Tree Size: This is the pro version - there is also a free version. http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/ Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 07:25:33 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:25:33 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> References: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> Message-ID: <4b5855fd.0506d00a.53ff.ffffab75@mx.google.com> You could also try here: http://download.cnet.com/windows/ type in disk space in the search box at the top and you will get 2256 hits. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 21 January 2010 13:12 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64 Bit Try Tree Size: This is the pro version - there is also a free version. http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/ Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 21 09:18:55 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:18:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD464A58CC34006BDA97D12912AD75C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: Check this out: http://bogdan.org.ua/2007/05/05/recommended-software-sequoia-view.html I have been using it as it is definitely one of the cutest programs of its type... a real original. I have had this free app for years and if you have any trouble getting it just drop a note and I will send to you. 8-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 21 09:22:03 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:22:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64Bit In-Reply-To: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> References: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> Message-ID: <40C5FDAAB2BB49B4B8ABBB9494951316@creativesystemdesigns.com> I can sure tell where TreeSize got their interface. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64Bit Try Tree Size: This is the pro version - there is also a free version. http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/ Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 21 09:48:53 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:48:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Message-ID: Hi Mark Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 09:55:18 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:55:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for W2K8 64Bit In-Reply-To: <40C5FDAAB2BB49B4B8ABBB9494951316@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <0879D1DF3202434DB97EFFE63F347D2C@danwaters> <40C5FDAAB2BB49B4B8ABBB9494951316@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I found my missing 100 GBs, it was shadow copies, they were enabled on the disk and I did not know. First I heard of them, although they look interesting. thanks for the hints for the tree browsers, Mark 2010/1/21 Jim Lawrence > I can sure tell where TreeSize got their interface. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody recommend a disk space analyzer for > W2K8 > 64Bit > > Try Tree Size: This is the pro version - there is also a free version. > > http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/ > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 > 64 > Bit > > Hello All, > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right > tool for the job. > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > of > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my > drive space. > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > the > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere > that I have to find, > > TIA > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 21 10:28:43 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:28:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Message-ID: I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? Thanks! Dan From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 11:44:00 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:44:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes Message-ID: I had a HP printer installed and I kept getting automated upgrade popups, that didn't work. The only way to dismiss the pop up is to reboot. I uninstalled the printer, thinking that would close that notification hole, but it didn't. I'm still getting them. Customer support is almost non-existent... took several minutes answer questions only to find myself in a hole. I'll probably call their 800 number today, if I can find a minute, but I don't expect much. Is there a way to close a specific notification process via some Windows or registry value? Susan H. From rustykh at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 11:54:21 2010 From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <752682.15736.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Have you checked Add/Remove Programs via Control Panel. HP likes to add more software than their printer uninstall gets rid of. Look for anything by HP and remove it. HTH, Rusty ________________________________ From: Susan Harkins To: DBA Tech List Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:44:00 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes I had a HP printer installed and I kept getting automated upgrade popups, that didn't work. The only way to dismiss the pop up is to reboot. I uninstalled the printer, thinking that would close that notification hole, but it didn't. I'm still getting them. Customer support is almost non-existent... took several minutes answer questions only to find myself in a hole. I'll probably call their 800 number today, if I can find a minute, but I don't expect much. Is there a way to close a specific notification process via some Windows or registry value? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 11:55:54 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:55:54 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Dan, No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two monitors here. I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar (and screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > Thanks! > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 11:58:10 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:58:10 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, this is brilliant, it looks little old fashioned, but it work great, and the histogram is much better than the previous utility as that only gave me a pie chart, with the histogram, I can see at a glance the sub directory and its further sub directories that are causing me the problem. thanks again, Mark 2010/1/21 Gustav Brock > Hi Mark > > Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: > > http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> > Hello All, > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right > tool for the job. > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > of > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my > drive space. > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > the > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere > that I have to find, > > TIA > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 11:58:53 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:58:53 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: <4DD464A58CC34006BDA97D12912AD75C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4DD464A58CC34006BDA97D12912AD75C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, thanks for the link, I could not see the download, and then clicked onto Gustav's link which is also great, thanks anyway, Mark 2010/1/21 Jim Lawrence > Hi Mark: > > Check this out: > > http://bogdan.org.ua/2007/05/05/recommended-software-sequoia-view.html > > I have been using it as it is definitely one of the cutest programs of its > type... a real original. I have had this free app for years and if you have > any trouble getting it just drop a note and I will send to you. 8-) > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 > 64 > Bit > > Hello All, > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right > tool for the job. > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > of > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my > drive space. > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > the > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere > that I have to find, > > TIA > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 12:07:59 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:07:59 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b58980e.0702d00a.06fd.ffffbc0c@mx.google.com> Hi Susan, On My system under Start/All Programs/HP there is an option HP Update. Clicking on that gives me the upgrade screen with a SETTINGS button on the bottom which gives me the options. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 21 January 2010 17:44 To: DBA Tech List Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes I had a HP printer installed and I kept getting automated upgrade popups, that didn't work. The only way to dismiss the pop up is to reboot. I uninstalled the printer, thinking that would close that notification hole, but it didn't. I'm still getting them. Customer support is almost non-existent... took several minutes answer questions only to find myself in a hole. I'll probably call their 800 number today, if I can find a minute, but I don't expect much. Is there a way to close a specific notification process via some Windows or registry value? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 12:16:11 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:16:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Closing up notification holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would try to use MSCONFIG to see what is starting up and then disable anything HP. http://www.winxptutor.com/msconfig.htm GK On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I had a HP printer installed and I kept getting automated upgrade popups, > that didn't work. The only way to dismiss the pop up is to reboot. > > I uninstalled the printer, thinking that would close that notification hole, > but it didn't. I'm still getting them. > > Customer support is almost non-existent... took several minutes answer > questions only to find myself in a hole. I'll probably call their 800 number > today, if I can find a minute, but I don't expect much. > > Is there a way to close a specific notification process via some Windows or > registry value? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 21 12:51:28 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:51:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> Hi Mark, I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' both of your monitors. What was it that you installed? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hello Dan, No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two monitors here. I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar (and screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > Thanks! > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 13:17:55 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:17:55 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b58a874.0f67f10a.6e96.645e@mx.google.com> Gustav, that is a great utility. Summary shows I have 2,500 Gbyte capacity It would be nice if it gave the breakdown between used and free. Thanks very much Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 21 January 2010 15:49 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hi Mark Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> Hello All, Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right tool for the job. I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts of the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my drive space. When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but the 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere that I have to find, TIA Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 15:39:50 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:39:50 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> Message-ID: Hello Dan, below is from Mr Colbys recent email it does work well so far - on Win2k8 BTW Mark I just found this, WAY COOL! It puts a toolbar at the bottom of the second monitor that displays the icons for the programs being displayed on the second monitor. How come no one told me about this? http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > Hi Mark, > > I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' both > of your monitors. > > What was it that you installed? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hello Dan, > > No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two monitors > here. > > I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar (and > screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, > > thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 15:40:34 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:40:34 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: <4b58a874.0f67f10a.6e96.645e@mx.google.com> References: <4b58a874.0f67f10a.6e96.645e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Max, i thought I was getting a super breakdown, are you not ? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Max Wanadoo > Gustav, that is a great utility. > > Summary shows I have 2,500 Gbyte capacity > > It would be nice if it gave the breakdown between used and free. > > Thanks very much > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: 21 January 2010 15:49 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for > W2K8 64 Bit > > Hi Mark > > Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: > > http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> > Hello All, > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right > tool for the job. > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > of > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my > drive space. > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > the > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere > that I have to find, > > TIA > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 16:12:33 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:12:33 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: References: <4b58a874.0f67f10a.6e96.645e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4b58d16f.0f67f10a.71b4.6fea@mx.google.com> Hi Mark, What I meant was that if you look at the summary level, you can hover on each pie segment and be told x Used and y Free for drive c: and then same for drive d: and so on, but there is no overall total use/free for the whole system. This mean that to get an overall summary of used/free I had to manually add c:,D:,F:,G:. At the lower, single drive display it was fine. Not criticising, just commenting. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 21 January 2010 21:41 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit Hello Max, i thought I was getting a super breakdown, are you not ? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Max Wanadoo > Gustav, that is a great utility. > > Summary shows I have 2,500 Gbyte capacity > > It would be nice if it gave the breakdown between used and free. > > Thanks very much > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: 21 January 2010 15:49 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for > W2K8 64 Bit > > Hi Mark > > Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: > > http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> > Hello All, > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the right > tool for the job. > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > of > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging my > drive space. > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > the > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding somewhere > that I have to find, > > TIA > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jan 21 16:41:18 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:41:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> Message-ID: <558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> Hi Mark, I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia software to manage my monitors. So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one physical monitor and half on the other. The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hello Dan, below is from Mr Colbys recent email it does work well so far - on Win2k8 BTW Mark I just found this, WAY COOL! It puts a toolbar at the bottom of the second monitor that displays the icons for the programs being displayed on the second monitor. How come no one told me about this? http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > Hi Mark, > > I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' both > of your monitors. > > What was it that you installed? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hello Dan, > > No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two monitors > here. > > I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar (and > screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, > > thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 03:55:32 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:55:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit In-Reply-To: <4b58d16f.0f67f10a.71b4.6fea@mx.google.com> References: <4b58a874.0f67f10a.6e96.645e@mx.google.com> <4b58d16f.0f67f10a.71b4.6fea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Max, thanks for your clarification, yes you are quite correct. I tend to think of the drives completely separately so never even thought to sum them, but I see what you mean. I have in my machine a 350 GB for C, and a 650 for D, and I am thinking of buying another, but not sure whether to go for eSata external or to go for a neat and clean internal. Is is correct to assume that eSata will be the same performance as an internal disk? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Max Wanadoo > Hi Mark, > What I meant was that if you look at the summary level, you can hover on > each pie segment and be told x Used and y Free for drive c: and then same > for drive d: and so on, but there is no overall total use/free for the > whole system. > > This mean that to get an overall summary of used/free I had to manually add > c:,D:,F:,G:. > > At the lower, single drive display it was fine. > > Not criticising, just commenting. > > Thanks > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 21 January 2010 21:41 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for > W2K8 64 Bit > > Hello Max, > > i thought I was getting a super breakdown, are you not ? > > thanks > > Mark > > > 2010/1/21 Max Wanadoo > > > Gustav, that is a great utility. > > > > Summary shows I have 2,500 Gbyte capacity > > > > It would be nice if it gave the breakdown between used and free. > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > > Sent: 21 January 2010 15:49 > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for > > W2K8 64 Bit > > > > Hi Mark > > > > Scanner from Steffen Gerlach does exactly that: > > > > http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/ > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 21-01-2010 13:15 >>> > > Hello All, > > > > Can anybody reccommend a disk space analyser for W2K8 64 Bit? > > > > I have an older program that but is slow and I am not sure it is the > right > > tool for the job. > > > > I want a neat, pretty program, that is fast, that will give me pie charts > > of > > the drive, and allow me to drill down into the folders that are hogging > my > > drive space. > > > > When I individually check all the root folders, they come to 200 GB, but > > the > > 680 GB drive has only 80 GB remaining, so there is 400 GB hiding > somewhere > > that I have to find, > > > > TIA > > > > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 03:58:04 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:58:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> <558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> Message-ID: Hello Dan, thanks for the response, I have an ATI Card, do you think that ATI can also span the desktop like that, or is it a new feature to nVidia? Apart from the dialog box issue, do you like it? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, > and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia > software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical > monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hello Dan, > > below is from Mr Colbys recent email > > it does work well so far - on Win2k8 BTW > > Mark > > > > I just found this, WAY COOL! It puts a toolbar at the bottom of the second > monitor that displays > the icons for the programs being displayed on the second monitor. > > How come no one told me about this? > > http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm > > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' > both > > of your monitors. > > > > What was it that you installed? > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > > > Hello Dan, > > > > No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two > monitors > > here. > > > > I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar > (and > > screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > > > > > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > > > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > > > > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > > > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jan 22 07:59:18 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:59:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters><558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> Message-ID: <7A07EBA68E4C4416BA999239C34DCBD6@danwaters> Hi Mark, With Nvidia, there is a software utility to manage some aspects of how the desktop is displayed - and spanning is not new. I would guess that there may be something similar for an ATI card. Nvidia is fine, but I just do programming, no games or graphics. Without having any experience with ATI, I can't compare. Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hello Dan, thanks for the response, I have an ATI Card, do you think that ATI can also span the desktop like that, or is it a new feature to nVidia? Apart from the dialog box issue, do you like it? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, > and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia > software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical > monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hello Dan, > > below is from Mr Colbys recent email > > it does work well so far - on Win2k8 BTW > > Mark > > > > I just found this, WAY COOL! It puts a toolbar at the bottom of the second > monitor that displays > the icons for the programs being displayed on the second monitor. > > How come no one told me about this? > > http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm > > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' > both > > of your monitors. > > > > What was it that you installed? > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > > > Hello Dan, > > > > No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two > monitors > > here. > > > > I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual taskbar > (and > > screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > > > > > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a dialog box > > > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > > > > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let me > > > determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jan 22 08:05:47 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:05:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <7A07EBA68E4C4416BA999239C34DCBD6@danwaters> References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters><558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> <7A07EBA68E4C4416BA999239C34DCBD6@danwaters> Message-ID: Windows XP SP3 (and probably above) has a multi-monitor display wizard which will help you do that too. I have to run it every time I update my nVidia drivers, just to get my monitors displaying correctly. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hi Mark, With Nvidia, there is a software utility to manage some aspects of how the desktop is displayed - and spanning is not new. I would guess that there may be something similar for an ATI card. Nvidia is fine, but I just do programming, no games or graphics. Without having any experience with ATI, I can't compare. Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hello Dan, thanks for the response, I have an ATI Card, do you think that ATI can also span the desktop like that, or is it a new feature to nVidia? Apart from the dialog box issue, do you like it? thanks Mark 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one > taskbar, and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm > using Nvidia software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which > physical monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hello Dan, > > below is from Mr Colbys recent email > > it does work well so far - on Win2k8 BTW > > Mark > > > > I just found this, WAY COOL! It puts a toolbar at the bottom of the second > monitor that displays > the icons for the programs being displayed on the second monitor. > > How come no one told me about this? > > http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm > > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I'm going to guess that you do not have your desktop set up to 'span' > both > > of your monitors. > > > > What was it that you installed? > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark > > Breen > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:56 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > > > Hello Dan, > > > > No, sorry, I have never experienced what you describe with my two > monitors > > here. > > > > I presume that you did see John Colbys recent link to the dual > > taskbar > (and > > screen flip button). I installed it and like it a lot, > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/1/21 Dan Waters > > > > > > > > I use two monitors with the desktop across both. Whenever a > > > dialog box > > > opens, it sits half on one and half on the other. > > > > > > Does anyone know of some kind of utility program which would let > > > me determine which monitor the dialog box opens on? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com Fri Jan 22 08:47:05 2010 From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:47:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters> <558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> Message-ID: Dan, If you open Control Panel and then run the Nvidia nVeiw Desktop Manager, on the 'Windows' tab there is a combo box labeled 'Dialog Positioning'. With luck that will held. Having said that, on my dual monitor system the dialog combo is set at 'No repositioning' and my dialog boxes do not come spread across the two monitors. But on searching the held file for 'position dialog' I see that the solution is simple. Open the nVidia control panel and in the 'Select a Category' screen click 'Display'. On the next screen select 'Change display configuration' (in the 'Multiple Displays' section of the screen.) You will then see several choices of display modes to use. You probably have chosen 'As one large horizontal desktop (Horizontal Span)', but if you choose the last option: 'Configured independently from each other (Dualview)' your problem should be fixed. Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hi Mark, I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia software to manage my monitors. So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one physical monitor and half on the other. The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. Thanks! Dan From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 22 10:09:59 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:09:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Message-ID: Dear List: I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. TV has all conceivable inputs. Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 pin external monitor jack. What do I need to do this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jan 22 10:12:35 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:12:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My Samsung LCD TV has a VGA input, just plugs straight into that from the monitor output of the laptop... Doesn't do sound though, unless you plug another cable into the headphone socket. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Dear List: I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. TV has all conceivable inputs. Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 pin external monitor jack. What do I need to do this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 22 10:30:59 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:30:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is one o' them VGA-VGA cables. I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no problem. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV My Samsung LCD TV has a VGA input, just plugs straight into that from the monitor output of the laptop... Doesn't do sound though, unless you plug another cable into the headphone socket. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10 PM To: List Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Dear List: I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. TV has all conceivable inputs. Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 pin external monitor jack. What do I need to do this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 10:27:32 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:27:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well you wouldn't WANT to use S- Video as that is an inferrior technology. As a last resort maybe. I use the VGA input on my HDTV currently. Not from a laptop but from a desktop. I have a new video card with an HDMI out that I intend to use in the future but just haven't found the time to swap it out. Maybe this weekend. If your TV doesn't have a VGA input you will need a VGA to HDMI converter. http://www.frys.com/product/6023838?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG That is only for video of course. Sound is another matter. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. ?TV has all conceivable inputs. > Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 pin > external monitor jack. ?What do I need to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 10:35:35 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:35:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> Message-ID: Often you can borrow one off another monitor. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, Dang! ?So does mine! ?That was too easy. ?All I need now is one o' > them VGA-VGA cables. > > I want it for pictures mostly not sound. ?So no problem there. ?I also have > the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no problem. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - > Slough > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > My Samsung LCD TV has a VGA input, just plugs straight into that from the > monitor output of the laptop... Doesn't do sound though, unless you plug > another cable into the headphone socket. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10 PM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Dear List: > > I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. ?TV has all conceivable inputs. > Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 pin > external monitor jack. ?What do I need to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and > privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than > the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in > error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from > your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 22 10:47:42 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:47:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2318A95E9BC8472AB883BBD16832E7EE@HAL9005> Quite a bit pricier solution than a VGA-VGA cable. But would the picture quality be better? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Well you wouldn't WANT to use S- Video as that is an inferrior technology. As a last resort maybe. I use the VGA input on my HDTV currently. Not from a laptop but from a desktop. I have a new video card with an HDMI out that I intend to use in the future but just haven't found the time to swap it out. Maybe this weekend. If your TV doesn't have a VGA input you will need a VGA to HDMI converter. http://www.frys.com/product/6023838?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG That is only for video of course. Sound is another matter. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. ?TV has all conceivable inputs. > Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 > pin external monitor jack. ?What do I need to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 22 10:48:53 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:48:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most of 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're butt's on the sofa. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Often you can borrow one off another monitor. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well, Dang! ?So does mine! ?That was too easy. ?All I need now is one o' > them VGA-VGA cables. > > I want it for pictures mostly not sound. ?So no problem there. ?I also > have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no problem. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon > - Slough > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > My Samsung LCD TV has a VGA input, just plugs straight into that from > the monitor output of the laptop... Doesn't do sound though, unless > you plug another cable into the headphone socket. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10 PM > To: List > Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Dear List: > > I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. ?TV has all conceivable inputs. > Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 > pin external monitor jack. ?What do I need to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 10:56:29 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:56:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <2318A95E9BC8472AB883BBD16832E7EE@HAL9005> References: <2318A95E9BC8472AB883BBD16832E7EE@HAL9005> Message-ID: I would think probably not. You are still putting out VGA resolution on the computer end. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Quite a bit pricier solution than a VGA-VGA cable. ?But would the picture > quality be better? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:28 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Well you wouldn't WANT to use S- Video as that is an inferrior technology. > As a last resort maybe. > > I use the VGA input on my HDTV currently. Not from a laptop but from a > desktop. I have a new video card with an HDMI out that I intend to use in > the future but just haven't found the time to swap it out. Maybe this > weekend. > > If your TV doesn't have a VGA input you will need a VGA to HDMI converter. > > http://www.frys.com/product/6023838?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG > > That is only for video of course. Sound is another matter. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> Dear List: >> >> I want to interface a laptop with my HDTV. ?TV has all conceivable inputs. >> Laptop has no S-Video (that would have been too easy) only standard 15 >> pin external monitor jack. ?What do I need to do this? >> >> MTIA >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 858-259-4334 >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 11:01:36 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:01:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> Message-ID: That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a wireless mouse and keyboard. Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have done that once. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. ?Most of 'em are > short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're butt's on the > sofa. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >> Well, Dang! ?So does mine! ?That was too easy. ?All I need now is one o' >> them VGA-VGA cables. >> >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. ?So no problem there. ?I also >> have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no problem. >> >> R >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 22 11:19:26 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] OT: MagicISO (was: Windows 7 .. I'm VERY impressed) Message-ID: Hi Drew Where have you been? This is exactly what I have been looking for! Now, notice this gem on that site: Create Windows 98/ME/NT/2K/XP/2003 all in one installation DVD http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-create-multi-os-cd.htm Also, as VMware prefers FLP floppy images: Open / Edit / Extract floppy disk image file Support any floppy disk image file. (FLP, DSK, BFI, BWI and so on) /gustav >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 22-01-2010 06:46 >>> As for the ISO images, try this: http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-magicdisc-overview.htm Get the 106 version, behind the Windows 7 link (and one of the others I think). I can install that version on anything (just put it on a netbook running XP pro the other day, and it runs fine in Windows 7 64 bit and Vista 32/64 bit). In vista and 7, you'll be prompted about an unsigned driver, but it works great. You can add as many Virtual CD/DVD-Roms as you want. (one of my favorite games is FreeSpace, and old 'space' game I got with my first PIII. It needs the DVD to play, so I usually have a drive specifically housing that iso image all the time on my laptop. Fun to play when I'm bored). It runs in your system tray, and is very user friendly. It'll even make ISO images for you (and other formats if you want). I stick with ISO. Did you know another feature of Windows 7 is that it will natively burn an ISO image to a blank CD/DVD with no other software? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 22 11:34:14 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:34:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005><97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> Message-ID: <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun than the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I promised myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless exercise which I need. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a wireless mouse and keyboard. Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have done that once. GK On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. ?Most of > 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're > butt's on the sofa. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: >> Well, Dang! ?So does mine! ?That was too easy. ?All I need now is one o' >> them VGA-VGA cables. >> >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. ?So no problem there. ?I >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no problem. >> >> R >> -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 23 12:38:08 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:38:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup Message-ID: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? PB From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 15:57:29 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:57:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. It doesn't store drive images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly backups. http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ GK On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more > efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough > capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, > partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're > going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 23 15:59:46 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:59:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names Message-ID: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> On an XP Pro SP2 box, a: is a floppy, c: is sysdrive, d: and e: are CD/DVD drives, f: and higher are network drives. Renaming e: sets the name of f: to the name of e:, and vice-versa. Does anyone know a fix for this particular Gates bug? PB From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Jan 23 16:28:38 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:28:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> Gary, thanks, PB. Gary Kjos wrote: > I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. It doesn't store drive > images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a > usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. > So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. > I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other > functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly > backups. > > http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ > > GK > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more >> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough >> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, >> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're >> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? >> >> PB >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:49:35 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:49:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I had been buying external USB drives and using them to backup but it was something I had to remember to do. This just takes care of it and if you need more space you can add more drives to the server pretty economically. GK On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > Gary, thanks, PB. > > Gary Kjos wrote: >> I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. ?It doesn't store drive >> images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a >> usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. >> So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. >> I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other >> functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly >> backups. >> >> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >> >>> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more >>> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough >>> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, >>> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're >>> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? >>> >>> PB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 23 16:56:19 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01ca9c7f$491038e0$db30aaa0$@net> Try Rebit -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] backup To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:57:39 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:57:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names In-Reply-To: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> References: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Where are you doing this rename? Control Panel/Administrative tools/System Management/ Drive Management or something like that? And what are you trying to rename it to? A different letter alltogether like J? GK On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On an XP Pro SP2 box, a: is a floppy, c: is sysdrive, d: and e: are > CD/DVD drives, f: and higher are network drives. Renaming e: sets the > name of f: to the name of e:, and vice-versa. Does anyone know a fix for > this particular Gates bug? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jan 24 01:49:38 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:49:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names In-Reply-To: References: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B5BFB92.9020800@earthlink.net> Gary, In Win Explorer. Any drive can have a name in addition to its drive letter designation. When I rename e: to, say, "DVDwrite", WinExplorer also changes the name of f: to "DVDWrite". PB ----- Gary Kjos wrote: > Where are you doing this rename? Control Panel/Administrative > tools/System Management/ Drive Management or something like that? And > what are you trying to rename it to? A different letter alltogether > like J? > > GK > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On an XP Pro SP2 box, a: is a floppy, c: is sysdrive, d: and e: are >> CD/DVD drives, f: and higher are network drives. Renaming e: sets the >> name of f: to the name of e:, and vice-versa. Does anyone know a fix for >> this particular Gates bug? >> >> PB >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 03:31:36 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:31:36 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names In-Reply-To: References: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4b5c138c.0e67f10a.295e.0309@mx.google.com> Don't forget the good 'ole DOS SUBST command is useful too. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 23 January 2010 22:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names Where are you doing this rename? Control Panel/Administrative tools/System Management/ Drive Management or something like that? And what are you trying to rename it to? A different letter alltogether like J? GK On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On an XP Pro SP2 box, a: is a floppy, c: is sysdrive, d: and e: are > CD/DVD drives, f: and higher are network drives. Renaming e: sets the > name of f: to the name of e:, and vice-versa. Does anyone know a fix for > this particular Gates bug? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 03:35:17 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:35:17 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> Gary, Don?t forget that scheduling a SyncToy (v 2.1 available now) will do this for you automatically. Set up a basic schedule, (Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Task Scheduler). In the right panel (Actions) click on Create Basic Task. Follow the prompts I do this to backup onto USB external drives. Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 23 January 2010 22:50 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] backup I had been buying external USB drives and using them to backup but it was something I had to remember to do. This just takes care of it and if you need more space you can add more drives to the server pretty economically. GK On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > Gary, thanks, PB. > > Gary Kjos wrote: >> I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. ?It doesn't store drive >> images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a >> usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. >> So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. >> I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other >> functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly >> backups. >> >> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ >> >> GK >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >> >>> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more >>> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with enough >>> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five PCs, >>> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're >>> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? >>> >>> PB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 07:02:38 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:02:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows confuses two drive names In-Reply-To: <4B5BFB92.9020800@earthlink.net> References: <4B5B7152.8050200@earthlink.net> <4B5BFB92.9020800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oh I see. Not the drive letter, the NAME. Like you said. I've never changed names on drives. GK On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > Gary, > > In Win Explorer. Any drive can have a name in addition to its drive > letter designation. When I rename e: to, say, "DVDwrite", WinExplorer > also changes the name of f: to "DVDWrite". > > PB > > ----- > > Gary Kjos wrote: >> Where are you doing this rename? ?Control Panel/Administrative >> tools/System Management/ Drive Management or something like that? And >> what are you trying to rename it to? ?A different letter alltogether >> like J? >> >> GK >> >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >> >>> On an XP Pro SP2 box, a: is a floppy, c: is sysdrive, d: and e: are >>> CD/DVD drives, f: and higher are network drives. Renaming e: sets the >>> name of f: to the name of e:, and vice-versa. Does anyone know a fix for >>> this particular Gates bug? >>> >>> PB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 12:41:12 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:41:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anybody use Acrobat? Message-ID: <804482C3E81941FEBF59CCB74D1E006A@SusanOne> I am just lost... I've revised a pdf document using the text edit tool. But Acrobat is showing it in a markup state. How do I get it to accept the changes and then show those changes? I checked help, but I guess I just don't know the right terminology. I found a review toolbar which let me show and hide changes. I found a commit command -- didn't do a thing. I found an accept command -- didn't do a thing. Well, I'm sure they're doing something, but I'm just not doing it all in the right order or I can't find a way to finalize it. What a mess... Susan H. From marklbreen at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 15:56:21 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:56:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hey Rocky, I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. Just something to keep in mind, Enjoy, Mark 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable tonight > and > see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun than the program I > have to write this morning which, if I do it, I promised myself to go to > the > gym and engage in some brainless exercise which I need. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a wireless > mouse and keyboard. > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just suggesting > something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put the > camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have done > that > once. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most of > > 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're > > butt's on the sofa. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is one o' > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > >> > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > problem. > >> > >> R > >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 16:02:26 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:02:26 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4b5cc3f3.1818d00a.4756.ffffd364@mx.google.com> Mark, Don't forget you can now buy 5 Metre long High-Speed HDMI Flat Cables. These support higher quality audio formats and full HD 100p video resolution plus high-speed data transfer (10.2 Gbit/s) Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 24 January 2010 21:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Hey Rocky, I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. Just something to keep in mind, Enjoy, Mark 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable tonight > and > see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun than the program I > have to write this morning which, if I do it, I promised myself to go to > the > gym and engage in some brainless exercise which I need. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a wireless > mouse and keyboard. > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just suggesting > something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put the > camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have done > that > once. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most of > > 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're > > butt's on the sofa. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is one o' > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > >> > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > problem. > >> > >> R > >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 24 16:11:56 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:11:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005><97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005><0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> Message-ID: <97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005> No HDMI output from the laptop but I could plug the headphone jack into the sound of the TV. But I'm not sure why - I've got You Tube on the HDTV through the Blu-Ray player. I suppose I could stream movies through the comp but we've not got 8750 channels of TV with about 20 dedicated movie channels and TIVO. And no time to watch TV!! :( R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Hey Rocky, I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. Just something to keep in mind, Enjoy, Mark 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable > tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun than > the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I promised > myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless exercise which I > need. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a > wireless mouse and keyboard. > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just > suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put > the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have > done that once. > > GK > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most of > > 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're > > butt's on the sofa. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is one o' > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > >> > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > problem. > >> > >> R > >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 25 03:08:55 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:08:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Astaro free firewall and more Message-ID: Hi all Anyone using the free Astaro Security Gateway (firewall, DNS server and more)? This is not a private firewall like Windows firewall but a stand-alone appliance. It's downloadable as a normal install for an Intel based pc or as a VMware appliance, either full featured for home use or with the essential features only for business use: Networking: Internet Router, Bridging, DNS server & proxy, DynDNS, DHCP server & relay, NTP support, automatic QoS Network Security: Stateful Packet Inspection Firewall & Network Address translation (DNAT/SNAT/Masquerading) Remote Access: PPTP and L2TP over IPSec support (including iPhone support) http://www.astaro.com/landingpages/en-worldwide-essential-firewall It is a bit hard to locate information on the site but a comparison chart is here: http://www.astaro.com/astaro-security-gateway-edition-comparison A web based management console is free as well to download. Recommended hardware seems to be dual-core and 1 GB ram but that is probably to carry full load so I guess in some situations a little less will do. /gustav From jerbach at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 08:50:00 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:50:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> I just downloaded and am testing a freeware program called 'Uranium'. It has a built in scheduler, gives you the option of selecting the folders you want to backup, and allows you to backup the files in zip or uncrompressed format. I'm testing it out now; I'm backing up my PC to the server. So far so good... Janet Erbach On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Gary, > > Don?t forget that scheduling a SyncToy (v 2.1 available now) will do this > for you automatically. > > Set up a basic schedule, (Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Task > Scheduler). > > In the right panel (Actions) click on Create Basic Task. Follow the prompts > > I do this to backup onto USB external drives. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: 23 January 2010 22:50 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] backup > > I had been buying external USB drives and using them to backup but it > was something I had to remember to do. This just takes care of it and > if you need more space you can add more drives to the server pretty > economically. > > GK > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > > Gary, thanks, PB. > > > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. It doesn't store drive > >> images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a > >> usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. > >> So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. > >> I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other > >> functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly > >> backups. > >> > >> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ > >> > >> GK > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley > >> wrote: > >> > >>> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more > >>> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with > enough > >>> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five > PCs, > >>> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're > >>> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? > >>> > >>> PB > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 > 07:33:00 > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Jan 25 10:03:31 2010 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:03:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5DC0D3.6070801@earthlink.net> Janet, thanks for the heads-up on "Uranium", I'll also give it a try. PB ----- Janet Erbach wrote: > I just downloaded and am testing a freeware program called 'Uranium'. It > has a built in scheduler, gives you the option of selecting the folders you > want to backup, and allows you to backup the files in zip or uncrompressed > format. I'm testing it out now; I'm backing up my PC to the server. So > far so good... > > Janet Erbach > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > >> Gary, >> >> Don't forget that scheduling a SyncToy (v 2.1 available now) will do this >> for you automatically. >> >> Set up a basic schedule, (Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Task >> Scheduler). >> >> In the right panel (Actions) click on Create Basic Task. Follow the prompts >> >> I do this to backup onto USB external drives. >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: 23 January 2010 22:50 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] backup >> >> I had been buying external USB drives and using them to backup but it >> was something I had to remember to do. This just takes care of it and >> if you need more space you can add more drives to the server pretty >> economically. >> >> GK >> >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >> >>> Gary, thanks, PB. >>> >>> Gary Kjos wrote: >>> >>>> I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. It doesn't store drive >>>> images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a >>>> usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. >>>> So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. >>>> I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other >>>> functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly >>>> backups. >>>> >>>> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ >>>> >>>> GK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more >>>>> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with >>>>> >> enough >> >>>>> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five >>>>> >> PCs, >> >>>>> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're >>>>> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? >>>>> >>>>> PB >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 >>>> >> 07:33:00 >> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2642 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 25 16:19:30 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:19:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Astaro free firewall and more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D891C88D6C94C7C99585E2909915562@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is great info Gustav. I do not need it right now but it looks like a great network data control point. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:09 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Astaro free firewall and more Hi all Anyone using the free Astaro Security Gateway (firewall, DNS server and more)? This is not a private firewall like Windows firewall but a stand-alone appliance. It's downloadable as a normal install for an Intel based pc or as a VMware appliance, either full featured for home use or with the essential features only for business use: Networking: Internet Router, Bridging, DNS server & proxy, DynDNS, DHCP server & relay, NTP support, automatic QoS Network Security: Stateful Packet Inspection Firewall & Network Address translation (DNAT/SNAT/Masquerading) Remote Access: PPTP and L2TP over IPSec support (including iPhone support) http://www.astaro.com/landingpages/en-worldwide-essential-firewall It is a bit hard to locate information on the site but a comparison chart is here: http://www.astaro.com/astaro-security-gateway-edition-comparison A web based management console is free as well to download. Recommended hardware seems to be dual-core and 1 GB ram but that is probably to carry full load so I guess in some situations a little less will do. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 25 16:20:42 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:20:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] backup In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F385F22C6FF49B79F3B67F86CDF4FA1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It sounds very interesting Janet. I will have to take a look. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] backup I just downloaded and am testing a freeware program called 'Uranium'. It has a built in scheduler, gives you the option of selecting the folders you want to backup, and allows you to backup the files in zip or uncrompressed format. I'm testing it out now; I'm backing up my PC to the server. So far so good... Janet Erbach On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Gary, > > Don't forget that scheduling a SyncToy (v 2.1 available now) will do this > for you automatically. > > Set up a basic schedule, (Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Task > Scheduler). > > In the right panel (Actions) click on Create Basic Task. Follow the prompts > > I do this to backup onto USB external drives. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: 23 January 2010 22:50 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] backup > > I had been buying external USB drives and using them to backup but it > was something I had to remember to do. This just takes care of it and > if you need more space you can add more drives to the server pretty > economically. > > GK > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > > Gary, thanks, PB. > > > > Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I use A Windows Home Server system for backup. It doesn't store drive > >> images but file by file backups which are then reassembled into a > >> usable drive with a client recovery disk should a restore be needed. > >> So identical files on multiple systems are not copied multiple times. > >> I use an HP brand server they call a Mediasmart. It does provide other > >> functionality but I have mostly used mine just for the nightly > >> backups. > >> > >> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ > >> > >> GK > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Peter Brawley > >> wrote: > >> > >>> To keep reasonably recent backup images of 5 PCs, is there a more > >>> efficient method than to buy a caddy and a hard drive for it with > enough > >>> capacity to hold comfortably more than total used space on the five > PCs, > >>> partition the hard drive so it has a partition for each drive we're > >>> going to back up, then run cloneZilla from each PC as often as we need? > >>> > >>> PB > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 > 07:33:00 > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Jan 25 17:03:06 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:03:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: References: <11F8B91D8F494156BE643B1AA998ADC5@danwaters><558BADBEDA0F4D70AD8BF1C9E6C61066@danwaters> Message-ID: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> Hi Lambert, That worked! I have not been using DualView because that put the taskbar all the way across both monitors, which I liked. But by using DualView, the taskbar is only on the primary (left) monitor, and that's where all the system dialog boxes now center on. I'll live with the short taskbar. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:47 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Dan, If you open Control Panel and then run the Nvidia nVeiw Desktop Manager, on the 'Windows' tab there is a combo box labeled 'Dialog Positioning'. With luck that will held. Having said that, on my dual monitor system the dialog combo is set at 'No repositioning' and my dialog boxes do not come spread across the two monitors. But on searching the held file for 'position dialog' I see that the solution is simple. Open the nVidia control panel and in the 'Select a Category' screen click 'Display'. On the next screen select 'Change display configuration' (in the 'Multiple Displays' section of the screen.) You will then see several choices of display modes to use. You probably have chosen 'As one large horizontal desktop (Horizontal Span)', but if you choose the last option: 'Configured independently from each other (Dualview)' your problem should be fixed. Lambert :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:41 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Hi Mark, I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia software to manage my monitors. So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one physical monitor and half on the other. The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 25 22:58:03 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:58:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mac universe In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5B4210.3050900@earthlink.net> <4B5B7816.2020804@earthlink.net> <4b5c1468.1067f10a.34d4.025e@mx.google.com> <6ef6ac2c1001250650ra075eactbe123c7ce5113368@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B932B49017047398B22A63CB5CF597E@creativesystemdesigns.com> For all those who have not had a chance to read this article here is an abridged history of the Apple word and the incredible Steve Jobs. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=1890&tag=nl.e101 It is all very interesting reading. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 25 23:38:18 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:38:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> References: , , <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> Message-ID: <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Have you tried Multimonitor Taskbar from MediaChance? http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2010 at 17:03, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Lambert, > > That worked! I have not been using DualView because that put the taskbar > all the way across both monitors, which I liked. But by using DualView, the > taskbar is only on the primary (left) monitor, and that's where all the > system dialog boxes now center on. I'll live with the short taskbar. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:47 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Dan, > > If you open Control Panel and then run the Nvidia nVeiw Desktop Manager, on > the 'Windows' tab there is a combo box labeled 'Dialog Positioning'. With > luck that will held. > > Having said that, on my dual monitor system the dialog combo is set at 'No > repositioning' and my dialog boxes do not come spread across the two > monitors. But on searching the held file for 'position dialog' I see that > the solution is simple. > > Open the nVidia control panel and in the 'Select a Category' screen click > 'Display'. On the next screen select 'Change display configuration' (in the > 'Multiple Displays' section of the screen.) You will then see several > choices of display modes to use. You probably have chosen 'As one large > horizontal desktop (Horizontal Span)', but if you choose the last option: > 'Configured independently from each other (Dualview)' your problem should be > fixed. > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:41 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, > and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia > software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical > monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 26 01:24:56 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:24:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is so neat Stuart. I could have used the Pro version when I was working with the investor managers at HSBC last summer... some of these guys had 6 screens off their computers and the software controlling the whole mess takes the skill of a nuclear physicist and the patience of Job, just to configure. Do I have any of those characteristics?... no, but I know how to use the phone. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Have you tried Multimonitor Taskbar from MediaChance? http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2010 at 17:03, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Lambert, > > That worked! I have not been using DualView because that put the taskbar > all the way across both monitors, which I liked. But by using DualView, the > taskbar is only on the primary (left) monitor, and that's where all the > system dialog boxes now center on. I'll live with the short taskbar. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:47 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Dan, > > If you open Control Panel and then run the Nvidia nVeiw Desktop Manager, on > the 'Windows' tab there is a combo box labeled 'Dialog Positioning'. With > luck that will held. > > Having said that, on my dual monitor system the dialog combo is set at 'No > repositioning' and my dialog boxes do not come spread across the two > monitors. But on searching the held file for 'position dialog' I see that > the solution is simple. > > Open the nVidia control panel and in the 'Select a Category' screen click > 'Display'. On the next screen select 'Change display configuration' (in the > 'Multiple Displays' section of the screen.) You will then see several > choices of display modes to use. You probably have chosen 'As one large > horizontal desktop (Horizontal Span)', but if you choose the last option: > 'Configured independently from each other (Dualview)' your problem should be > fixed. > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:41 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, > and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia > software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical > monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 04:18:39 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:18:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> <97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005> Message-ID: >And no time to watch TV!! :( Haha Nice one Rocky, And more to the point, you have a shelf of books. In the last few years, I have tried to only buy / read books that have won prizes for literature. I am enjoying reading and watching less and less TV, although I do like the movies, Best Mark 2010/1/24 Rocky Smolin > No HDMI output from the laptop but I could plug the headphone jack into the > sound of the TV. But I'm not sure why - I've got You Tube on the HDTV > through the Blu-Ray player. I suppose I could stream movies through the > comp but we've not got 8750 channels of TV with about 20 dedicated movie > channels and TIVO. > > And no time to watch TV!! :( > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Hey Rocky, > > I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC into the > TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on the sofa wiht > wireless kbd. All good. > > Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop instead, it > sends the audio as well as the video. > > Just something to keep in mind, > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > > > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable > > tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun than > > the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I promised > > myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless exercise which I > > need. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a > > wireless mouse and keyboard. > > > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just > > suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put > > the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might have > > done that once. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most of > > > 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while you're > > > butt's on the sofa. > > > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > > Kjos > > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is one > o' > > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > > >> > > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > > problem. > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jan 26 08:43:58 2010 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:43:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning In-Reply-To: <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did try that, and I did get another taskbar on the right side monitor, but I couldn't move it to the top, and it didn't show any buttons. So something didn't work on my PC. I'll be fine with one taskbar on the left monitor. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning Have you tried Multimonitor Taskbar from MediaChance? http://www.mediachance.com/free/multimon.htm -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2010 at 17:03, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Lambert, > > That worked! I have not been using DualView because that put the taskbar > all the way across both monitors, which I liked. But by using DualView, the > taskbar is only on the primary (left) monitor, and that's where all the > system dialog boxes now center on. I'll live with the short taskbar. > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:47 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Dan, > > If you open Control Panel and then run the Nvidia nVeiw Desktop Manager, on > the 'Windows' tab there is a combo box labeled 'Dialog Positioning'. With > luck that will held. > > Having said that, on my dual monitor system the dialog combo is set at 'No > repositioning' and my dialog boxes do not come spread across the two > monitors. But on searching the held file for 'position dialog' I see that > the solution is simple. > > Open the nVidia control panel and in the 'Select a Category' screen click > 'Display'. On the next screen select 'Change display configuration' (in the > 'Multiple Displays' section of the screen.) You will then see several > choices of display modes to use. You probably have chosen 'As one large > horizontal desktop (Horizontal Span)', but if you choose the last option: > 'Configured independently from each other (Dualview)' your problem should be > fixed. > > Lambert :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:41 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dialog Box Positioning > > Hi Mark, > > I just looked at this. It isn't something I need because my one taskbar, > and the desktop, already spans across both monitors. I'm using Nvidia > software to manage my monitors. > > So, my PC sees my desktop as a single 3200 X 1200 virtual monitor, and when > a dialog box pops up, it goes right in the middle of that, half on one > physical monitor and half on the other. > > The MultiMon taskbar program wasn't designed to determine which physical > monitor a dialog box should center on when it opens. > > Thanks! > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 26 09:36:02 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:36:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005><97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005><0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005><97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <353F80A4B2EB495EB6C39CE2849208CB@HAL9005> I'm getting my books through Dover Thrift Editions - got turned on to them by Max when he was in high school - his lit class used them (http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-literature-dover-thrift-editi ons.html). Dirt cheap and the best of literature. Reading House of the Seven Gables at the moment - Hawthorne - just finished The Scarlet Letter. Never read either one. Been reading a lot of Dickens - man, that guy could write! Voltaire, Chekov, Lewis - this is great stuff! Joyce is up next (already did the Dubliners), then some Russians. All stuff I never read in high school when I should have been. Try Shelley's Frankenstein - nothing at all like the movie. But I still want to watch TV!!! R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV >And no time to watch TV!! :( Haha Nice one Rocky, And more to the point, you have a shelf of books. In the last few years, I have tried to only buy / read books that have won prizes for literature. I am enjoying reading and watching less and less TV, although I do like the movies, Best Mark 2010/1/24 Rocky Smolin > No HDMI output from the laptop but I could plug the headphone jack > into the sound of the TV. But I'm not sure why - I've got You Tube on > the HDTV through the Blu-Ray player. I suppose I could stream movies > through the comp but we've not got 8750 channels of TV with about 20 > dedicated movie channels and TIVO. > > And no time to watch TV!! :( > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Hey Rocky, > > I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC > into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on > the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. > > Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop > instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. > > Just something to keep in mind, > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > > > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable > > tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun > > than the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I > > promised myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless > > exercise which I need. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a > > wireless mouse and keyboard. > > > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just > > suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put > > the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might > > have done that once. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most > > > of 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while > > > you're butt's on the sofa. > > > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > > Kjos > > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is > > >> one > o' > > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > > >> > > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > > problem. > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 26 12:35:46 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:35:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <353F80A4B2EB495EB6C39CE2849208CB@HAL9005> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005> <97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005> <0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005> <97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005> <353F80A4B2EB495EB6C39CE2849208CB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <741C4229D54543A28C62B161D1F49EFD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ulysses by James Joyce should keep you busy or challenged for a while... checking your dictionary. It uses something like 30,000+ different words. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV I'm getting my books through Dover Thrift Editions - got turned on to them by Max when he was in high school - his lit class used them (http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-literature-dover-thrift-editi ons.html). Dirt cheap and the best of literature. Reading House of the Seven Gables at the moment - Hawthorne - just finished The Scarlet Letter. Never read either one. Been reading a lot of Dickens - man, that guy could write! Voltaire, Chekov, Lewis - this is great stuff! Joyce is up next (already did the Dubliners), then some Russians. All stuff I never read in high school when I should have been. Try Shelley's Frankenstein - nothing at all like the movie. But I still want to watch TV!!! R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV >And no time to watch TV!! :( Haha Nice one Rocky, And more to the point, you have a shelf of books. In the last few years, I have tried to only buy / read books that have won prizes for literature. I am enjoying reading and watching less and less TV, although I do like the movies, Best Mark 2010/1/24 Rocky Smolin > No HDMI output from the laptop but I could plug the headphone jack > into the sound of the TV. But I'm not sure why - I've got You Tube on > the HDTV through the Blu-Ray player. I suppose I could stream movies > through the comp but we've not got 8750 channels of TV with about 20 > dedicated movie channels and TIVO. > > And no time to watch TV!! :( > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Hey Rocky, > > I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC > into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on > the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. > > Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop > instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. > > Just something to keep in mind, > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > > > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable > > tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun > > than the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I > > promised myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless > > exercise which I need. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a > > wireless mouse and keyboard. > > > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just > > suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put > > the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might > > have done that once. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most > > > of 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while > > > you're butt's on the sofa. > > > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > > Kjos > > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is > > >> one > o' > > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > > >> > > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > > problem. > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 26 12:58:31 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:58:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV In-Reply-To: <741C4229D54543A28C62B161D1F49EFD@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <7ABD87E31C094C7F95BD8F9FB9C3F4FA@HAL9005><97A3A56E031A4D79B2443821284F1481@HAL9005><0B736952B28D4019B0782320098F8A36@HAL9005><97DE54C2017040E6954E2A628EEE619D@HAL9005><353F80A4B2EB495EB6C39CE2849208CB@HAL9005> <741C4229D54543A28C62B161D1F49EFD@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <553CCDC4DC8E48EF8437FB51A14BD59D@HAL9005> ON the list - showed up during Jeopardy last night. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV Ulysses by James Joyce should keep you busy or challenged for a while... checking your dictionary. It uses something like 30,000+ different words. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV I'm getting my books through Dover Thrift Editions - got turned on to them by Max when he was in high school - his lit class used them (http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-literature-dover-thrift-editi ons.html). Dirt cheap and the best of literature. Reading House of the Seven Gables at the moment - Hawthorne - just finished The Scarlet Letter. Never read either one. Been reading a lot of Dickens - man, that guy could write! Voltaire, Chekov, Lewis - this is great stuff! Joyce is up next (already did the Dubliners), then some Russians. All stuff I never read in high school when I should have been. Try Shelley's Frankenstein - nothing at all like the movie. But I still want to watch TV!!! R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV >And no time to watch TV!! :( Haha Nice one Rocky, And more to the point, you have a shelf of books. In the last few years, I have tried to only buy / read books that have won prizes for literature. I am enjoying reading and watching less and less TV, although I do like the movies, Best Mark 2010/1/24 Rocky Smolin > No HDMI output from the laptop but I could plug the headphone jack > into the sound of the TV. But I'm not sure why - I've got You Tube on > the HDTV through the Blu-Ray player. I suppose I could stream movies > through the comp but we've not got 8750 channels of TV with about 20 > dedicated movie channels and TIVO. > > And no time to watch TV!! :( > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > Hey Rocky, > > I was using the VGA to TV cable and then had the audio from the PC > into the TV also, which allowed me to view web casts while sitting on > the sofa wiht wireless kbd. All good. > > Then I discovered that if I use the HDMI output from the laptop > instead, it sends the audio as well as the video. > > Just something to keep in mind, > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > 2010/1/22 Rocky Smolin > > > Well, you're right - I'm definitely going to try the short cable > > tonight and see what happens. In fact, that sounds like more fun > > than the program I have to write this morning which, if I do it, I > > promised myself to go to the gym and engage in some brainless > > exercise which I need. > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:02 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > That's why I use a desktop computer, sitting next to the TV with a > > wireless mouse and keyboard. > > > > Looks like you will need to buy a longer cable then. I was just > > suggesting something you might have on hand for a proof of concept. > > > > My TV also has an SD card slot in the front that can be used to put > > the camera memory card directly into for viewing pictures. Might > > have done that once. > > > > GK > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > wrote: > > > Yeah, but it would be nice to have a longer one - like 10'. Most > > > of 'em are short so you can't have the laptop on your lap while > > > you're butt's on the sofa. > > > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > > Kjos > > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:36 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comp to TV > > > > > > Often you can borrow one off another monitor. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Well, Dang! So does mine! That was too easy. All I need now is > > >> one > o' > > >> them VGA-VGA cables. > > >> > > >> I want it for pictures mostly not sound. So no problem there. I > > >> also have the right adapters for my stereo so if I need sound, no > > problem. > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 26 14:28:52 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:28:52 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation In-Reply-To: <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi all: Have you ever imaged a FAT32 drive and then attempted to restore it to a NTFS drive?... for my imager of choice, DriveImage XML, it was a disaster. It took me about a day to realize what the problem was. I did not even know that XP could be installed on a FAT32 drive but it can. I finally formatted the destination drive in NTFS, installing a bare-bones XP and I am in the process of restoring all the files, individually... a long and slow process as care must be made not to over-right any of the required NTFS components. (The registry could get real ugly... but I do not know.) If anyone else has run across this problem and has found a good quick solution and better method, or has any warnings of their own, please share. Jim From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 26 15:23:26 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:23:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation In-Reply-To: References: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca9ecd$cc6006d0$65201470$@net> Hi Jim, I may be mistaken but wasn't there a utility for converting Fat32 to BTFS? IOW if so, would it save time to restore the Fat32 image to the new drive and then convert it to NTFS? John B. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 27 00:46:01 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:46:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtualization on a shoestring In-Reply-To: <002b01ca9ecd$cc6006d0$65201470$@net> References: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <002b01ca9ecd$cc6006d0$65201470$@net> Message-ID: <787FD321712D4E648B61FAB9020810F3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Virtualization on a showstring: http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2010/01/shoestring.php Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 27 01:02:39 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:02:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation In-Reply-To: <002b01ca9ecd$cc6006d0$65201470$@net> References: <1E57E0ABC87D4630AAD905E2C9E51A8B@danwaters> <4B5E7FCA.3975.479833A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <27B8889F605B4C368AA84F365841A71C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <002b01ca9ecd$cc6006d0$65201470$@net> Message-ID: The trouble is that the FAT drive is that it is the main drive of the main estimator for this company. The present FAT drive is too small and needs to be upgraded and entire system has to be moved...intact and no downtime. There is not enough room on the drive to convert from FAT to NTFS... only 5 GB left. Any other good thoughts or ideas? (I have left it for a bit as I can not install the new drive during the week and must do all work on their system on the weekends. :-)) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation Hi Jim, I may be mistaken but wasn't there a utility for converting Fat32 to BTFS? IOW if so, would it save time to restore the Fat32 image to the new drive and then convert it to NTFS? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 27 01:16:33 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:16:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation Message-ID: Hi Jim I think John's idea is to copy the old partition to a new FAT32 partition, then convert the new partition to NTFS. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 27-01-2010 08:02 >>> The trouble is that the FAT drive is that it is the main drive of the main estimator for this company. The present FAT drive is too small and needs to be upgraded and entire system has to be moved...intact and no downtime. There is not enough room on the drive to convert from FAT to NTFS... only 5 GB left. Any other good thoughts or ideas? (I have left it for a bit as I can not install the new drive during the week and must do all work on their system on the weekends. :-)) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation Hi Jim, I may be mistaken but wasn't there a utility for converting Fat32 to BTFS? IOW if so, would it save time to restore the Fat32 image to the new drive and then convert it to NTFS? John B. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 27 09:01:08 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:01:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101ca9f61$8eaa4cd0$abfee670$@net> Hi Jim, Yes, Gustav is correct. Sorry about the typos (BTFS!). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:17 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation Hi Jim I think John's idea is to copy the old partition to a new FAT32 partition, then convert the new partition to NTFS. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 27-01-2010 08:02 >>> The trouble is that the FAT drive is that it is the main drive of the main estimator for this company. The present FAT drive is too small and needs to be upgraded and entire system has to be moved...intact and no downtime. There is not enough room on the drive to convert from FAT to NTFS... only 5 GB left. Any other good thoughts or ideas? (I have left it for a bit as I can not install the new drive during the week and must do all work on their system on the weekends. :-)) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tricky situation Hi Jim, I may be mistaken but wasn't there a utility for converting Fat32 to BTFS? IOW if so, would it save time to restore the Fat32 image to the new drive and then convert it to NTFS? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 29 06:02:14 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:02:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network drawing and admin tool Message-ID: Hi all Can anyone recommend a good tool to create _and_ maintain a drawing of networks including IP addresses, host- and usernames, passwords, etc? We are about reconfiguring our network and, though tiny compared to a enterprise network, I've found that with two geographic locations, virtual servers, internal/external/remote backup systems with configurations and schedules, admin remote desktop access, LogMeIn accounts, multiple spam filters and mail servers, database servers, ftp server, inside/outside IP addresses, etc., and remote web access for the users to much of this, it's becoming a mess. Ideally I would like to have a drawing I can hand to a skilled techie and he/she would in 10 minutes be able to have a clear idea what to do to perform some task, where to look for log files, where to locate backup configurations for routers, etc. For example, VMware sports an internal or virtual network on a physical machine which can have a quite specific configuration if the virtual servers are for outside access. Most tools I've seen through the years deal with network and physical machines and are not easy to use for virtual machines (which always runs on a physical machine you also need to control). Another example: SOHO routers have these days a web interface but how do you document the setup of such routers? Sometimes you have a quite convoluted system of port redirections and firewall configuration. To make prints of these pages looks somewhat old-fashioned to me. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 29 10:54:55 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:54:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Message-ID: Hi all Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking and testing. It just doesn't pay off. HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: http://www.gbridge.com/ This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny tool. This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: http://www.centered.com/ This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions of files when updated at the main server. Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at Amazon. Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station (actually an old laptop with an external drive). So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should fail. If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even three. Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery where the above backup setup is for file backup only. /gustav From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 15:51:32 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:51:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Odd opening page with IE 7 Message-ID: I've been using IE 7 for a long time. Just recently, it began to open to the following page: http://runonce.msn.com/runonce3.aspx I can't get rid of this -- any help? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 15:59:13 2010 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Odd opening page with IE 7 Message-ID: Nevermind -- fixed it. Thanks anyway. Susan H. > I've been using IE 7 for a long time. Just recently, it began to open to > the following page: > > http://runonce.msn.com/runonce3.aspx > > I can't get rid of this -- any help? > > Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 30 02:14:49 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:14:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A25D51E6F34499A8EA1E94531DFAAEA@creativesystemdesigns.com> A great piece of research Gustav... I have often wondered why there were not more backup applications taking advantage of the windows 'shadow backup' feature and it seems Second Copy does a just fine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:55 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hi all Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking and testing. It just doesn't pay off. HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: http://www.gbridge.com/ This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny tool. This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: http://www.centered.com/ This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions of files when updated at the main server. Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at Amazon. Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station (actually an old laptop with an external drive). So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should fail. If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even three. Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery where the above backup setup is for file backup only. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 06:37:39 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all know. Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. Thanks also for the intro to second copy. I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on the customers Win2K3 server machine. Options are DeltaCopy SyncToy SecondCopy GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) MS Windows Backup No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back possibilities. It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and use. Any thoughts anyone? thanks Mark On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking > and testing. It just doesn't pay off. > > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: > > http://www.gbridge.com/ > > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. > > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny > tool. > > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: > > http://www.centered.com/ > > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions > of files when updated at the main server. > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at > Amazon. > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station > (actually an old laptop with an external drive). > > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: > > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup > > This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should > fail. > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even > three. > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery > where the above backup setup is for file backup only. > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 06:38:30 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:38:30 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should have included Janets Uranium in that list of backup options also, sorry Janet :) Mark On 30 January 2010 12:37, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Gustav, > > Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all > know. > > Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few > machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if > for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. > > Thanks also for the intro to second copy. > > I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site > backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG > encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. > > I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on > the customers Win2K3 server machine. > > Options are > > DeltaCopy > SyncToy > SecondCopy > GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) > MS Windows Backup > > No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer > > The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or > preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, > and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back > possibilities. > > It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including > showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and > use. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > thanks > > Mark > > > > > On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a >> combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync >> errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation >> and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking >> and testing. It just doesn't pay off. >> >> HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: >> >> http://www.gbridge.com/ >> >> This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your >> Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface >> to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and >> extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some >> method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. >> >> You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and >> remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny >> tool. >> >> This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). >> In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: >> >> http://www.centered.com/ >> >> This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions >> of files when updated at the main server. >> Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at >> Amazon. >> Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station >> (actually an old laptop with an external drive). >> >> So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: >> >> 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy >> 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge >> 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup >> >> This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is >> satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should >> fail. >> If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows >> Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. >> Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible >> failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, >> the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even >> three. >> Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow >> copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery >> where the above backup setup is for file backup only. >> >> /gustav >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 30 10:37:06 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:37:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is very interesting listening to your remote and backup solutions. I use Hamachi, in conjunction with Windows server admin terminal and remote product (Remote Desktop), on all my clients. Regardless of how their DNS changes through their own system or ISP or web site issues (The clients or myself have a few web sites or parts of sites supported off the local servers) there is always a way in... I have never ran across a more reliable connection method. There is also LogMeIn Pro which provides all those connection features required. A few local support companies use this product with all their clients. There is also a LogMeIn Backup/Sync application which integrates with their remote product. The prices for a single user are $70 and $40 CAN, a year, respectively. LogMeIn is the owner of Hamachi (bought Hamachi out a few years ago) and therefore uses Hamachi's VPN, security and dedicated addresses. I was trying to use Microsoft's OneCare backup system. Unfortunately, it is as 'dumb as a box of rocks' went it comes to reconnecting to a remote server. As soon as the remote station or server has to be rebooted OnCare can no longer connect again... you could enter the login credentials, as presented, as many times as you want, no joy. Even with the remote server clearly connected via file explorer... exasperating to say the least. The product is not a total right-off as by going in the products options and resetting backup path, it will then allow it to reconnect. OneCare could be a good product if this issue was resolved as it is only 40 for 3 stations. That is my take on the current status on small integrated remote and backup systems. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hello Gustav, Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all know. Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. Thanks also for the intro to second copy. I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on the customers Win2K3 server machine. Options are DeltaCopy SyncToy SecondCopy GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) MS Windows Backup No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back possibilities. It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and use. Any thoughts anyone? thanks Mark On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking > and testing. It just doesn't pay off. > > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: > > http://www.gbridge.com/ > > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. > > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny > tool. > > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: > > http://www.centered.com/ > > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions > of files when updated at the main server. > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at > Amazon. > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station > (actually an old laptop with an external drive). > > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: > > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup > > This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should > fail. > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even > three. > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery > where the above backup setup is for file backup only. > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 14:02:37 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:02:37 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, If I understand you right you said the following 1) MS One Care is a project I have to purchase 2) MS One Care is suitable client to local backup files to usb drives Is that right? I guess that my real question is "what software should I use to schedule backup of data to local usb drives on W2K3 Small Business Edition" thanks Mark On 30 January 2010 16:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It is very interesting listening to your remote and backup solutions. > > I use Hamachi, in conjunction with Windows server admin terminal and remote > product (Remote Desktop), on all my clients. Regardless of how their DNS > changes through their own system or ISP or web site issues (The clients or > myself have a few web sites or parts of sites supported off the local > servers) there is always a way in... I have never ran across a more > reliable > connection method. > > There is also LogMeIn Pro which provides all those connection features > required. A few local support companies use this product with all their > clients. There is also a LogMeIn Backup/Sync application which integrates > with their remote product. The prices for a single user are $70 and $40 > CAN, > a year, respectively. LogMeIn is the owner of Hamachi (bought Hamachi out a > few years ago) and therefore uses Hamachi's VPN, security and dedicated > addresses. > > I was trying to use Microsoft's OneCare backup system. Unfortunately, it is > as 'dumb as a box of rocks' went it comes to reconnecting to a remote > server. As soon as the remote station or server has to be rebooted OnCare > can no longer connect again... you could enter the login credentials, as > presented, as many times as you want, no joy. Even with the remote server > clearly connected via file explorer... exasperating to say the least. The > product is not a total right-off as by going in the products options and > resetting backup path, it will then allow it to reconnect. OneCare could be > a good product if this issue was resolved as it is only 40 for 3 stations. > > That is my take on the current status on small integrated remote and backup > systems. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Hello Gustav, > > Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all > know. > > Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few > machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if > for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. > > Thanks also for the intro to second copy. > > I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site > backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG > encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. > > I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on > the customers Win2K3 server machine. > > Options are > > DeltaCopy > SyncToy > SecondCopy > GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) > MS Windows Backup > > No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer > > The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or > preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, > and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back > possibilities. > > It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including > showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and > use. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > thanks > > Mark > > > > > On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a > > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync > > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation > > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking > > and testing. It just doesn't pay off. > > > > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: > > > > http://www.gbridge.com/ > > > > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your > > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface > > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and > > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some > > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. > > > > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and > > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny > > tool. > > > > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). > > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: > > > > http://www.centered.com/ > > > > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions > > of files when updated at the main server. > > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at > > Amazon. > > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station > > (actually an old laptop with an external drive). > > > > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: > > > > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy > > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge > > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup > > > > This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is > > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should > > fail. > > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows > > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. > > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible > > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, > > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even > > three. > > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow > > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery > > where the above backup setup is for file backup only. > > > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 30 14:55:17 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:55:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark: In the scenario it would work perfectly. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hello Jim, If I understand you right you said the following 1) MS One Care is a project I have to purchase 2) MS One Care is suitable client to local backup files to usb drives Is that right? I guess that my real question is "what software should I use to schedule backup of data to local usb drives on W2K3 Small Business Edition" thanks Mark On 30 January 2010 16:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It is very interesting listening to your remote and backup solutions. > > I use Hamachi, in conjunction with Windows server admin terminal and remote > product (Remote Desktop), on all my clients. Regardless of how their DNS > changes through their own system or ISP or web site issues (The clients or > myself have a few web sites or parts of sites supported off the local > servers) there is always a way in... I have never ran across a more > reliable > connection method. > > There is also LogMeIn Pro which provides all those connection features > required. A few local support companies use this product with all their > clients. There is also a LogMeIn Backup/Sync application which integrates > with their remote product. The prices for a single user are $70 and $40 > CAN, > a year, respectively. LogMeIn is the owner of Hamachi (bought Hamachi out a > few years ago) and therefore uses Hamachi's VPN, security and dedicated > addresses. > > I was trying to use Microsoft's OneCare backup system. Unfortunately, it is > as 'dumb as a box of rocks' went it comes to reconnecting to a remote > server. As soon as the remote station or server has to be rebooted OnCare > can no longer connect again... you could enter the login credentials, as > presented, as many times as you want, no joy. Even with the remote server > clearly connected via file explorer... exasperating to say the least. The > product is not a total right-off as by going in the products options and > resetting backup path, it will then allow it to reconnect. OneCare could be > a good product if this issue was resolved as it is only 40 for 3 stations. > > That is my take on the current status on small integrated remote and backup > systems. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Hello Gustav, > > Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all > know. > > Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few > machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if > for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. > > Thanks also for the intro to second copy. > > I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site > backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG > encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. > > I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on > the customers Win2K3 server machine. > > Options are > > DeltaCopy > SyncToy > SecondCopy > GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) > MS Windows Backup > > No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer > > The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or > preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, > and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back > possibilities. > > It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including > showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and > use. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > thanks > > Mark > > > > > On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a > > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync > > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation > > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking > > and testing. It just doesn't pay off. > > > > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: > > > > http://www.gbridge.com/ > > > > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your > > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface > > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and > > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some > > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. > > > > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and > > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny > > tool. > > > > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). > > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: > > > > http://www.centered.com/ > > > > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions > > of files when updated at the main server. > > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at > > Amazon. > > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station > > (actually an old laptop with an external drive). > > > > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: > > > > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy > > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge > > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup > > > > This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is > > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should > > fail. > > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows > > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. > > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible > > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, > > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even > > three. > > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow > > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery > > where the above backup setup is for file backup only. > > > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 15:04:20 2010 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:04:20 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups In-Reply-To: References: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4b649ee9.0e67f10a.495b.fffff34e@mx.google.com> Hi Mark, I am using synctoy with windows scheduler onto 1.5Tbyte USB Drives. HTH Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 30 January 2010 20:03 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups Hello Jim, If I understand you right you said the following 1) MS One Care is a project I have to purchase 2) MS One Care is suitable client to local backup files to usb drives Is that right? I guess that my real question is "what software should I use to schedule backup of data to local usb drives on W2K3 Small Business Edition" thanks Mark On 30 January 2010 16:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It is very interesting listening to your remote and backup solutions. > > I use Hamachi, in conjunction with Windows server admin terminal and remote > product (Remote Desktop), on all my clients. Regardless of how their DNS > changes through their own system or ISP or web site issues (The clients or > myself have a few web sites or parts of sites supported off the local > servers) there is always a way in... I have never ran across a more > reliable > connection method. > > There is also LogMeIn Pro which provides all those connection features > required. A few local support companies use this product with all their > clients. There is also a LogMeIn Backup/Sync application which integrates > with their remote product. The prices for a single user are $70 and $40 > CAN, > a year, respectively. LogMeIn is the owner of Hamachi (bought Hamachi out a > few years ago) and therefore uses Hamachi's VPN, security and dedicated > addresses. > > I was trying to use Microsoft's OneCare backup system. Unfortunately, it is > as 'dumb as a box of rocks' went it comes to reconnecting to a remote > server. As soon as the remote station or server has to be rebooted OnCare > can no longer connect again... you could enter the login credentials, as > presented, as many times as you want, no joy. Even with the remote server > clearly connected via file explorer... exasperating to say the least. The > product is not a total right-off as by going in the products options and > resetting backup path, it will then allow it to reconnect. OneCare could be > a good product if this issue was resolved as it is only 40 for 3 stations. > > That is my take on the current status on small integrated remote and backup > systems. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups > > Hello Gustav, > > Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all > know. > > Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few > machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if > for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools. > > Thanks also for the intro to second copy. > > I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site > backups. As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG > encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each. > > I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on > the customers Win2K3 server machine. > > Options are > > DeltaCopy > SyncToy > SecondCopy > GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities) > MS Windows Backup > > No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer > > The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or > preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, > and Monthly and Annual backup sets. This would give step back > possibilities. > > It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including > showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and > use. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > thanks > > Mark > > > > > On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a > > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync > > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation > > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking > > and testing. It just doesn't pay off. > > > > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge: > > > > http://www.gbridge.com/ > > > > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your > > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface > > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and > > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some > > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings. > > > > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and > > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny > > tool. > > > > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home). > > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy: > > > > http://www.centered.com/ > > > > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions > > of files when updated at the main server. > > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at > > Amazon. > > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station > > (actually an old laptop with an external drive). > > > > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server: > > > > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy > > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge > > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup > > > > This forms a 2? way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is > > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should > > fail. > > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows > > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup. > > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible > > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern, > > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even > > three. > > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow > > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery > > where the above backup setup is for file backup only. > > > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Jan 30 19:49:38 2010 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:49:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network drawing and admin tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01caa217$a625c0c0$f2714240$@rr.com> I don't know if this is still the case, but there was something with Visio where it could document your network. Not sure if it was an add-in or something native to Visio. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Network drawing and admin tool Hi all Can anyone recommend a good tool to create _and_ maintain a drawing of networks including IP addresses, host- and usernames, passwords, etc? We are about reconfiguring our network and, though tiny compared to a enterprise network, I've found that with two geographic locations, virtual servers, internal/external/remote backup systems with configurations and schedules, admin remote desktop access, LogMeIn accounts, multiple spam filters and mail servers, database servers, ftp server, inside/outside IP addresses, etc., and remote web access for the users to much of this, it's becoming a mess. Ideally I would like to have a drawing I can hand to a skilled techie and he/she would in 10 minutes be able to have a clear idea what to do to perform some task, where to look for log files, where to locate backup configurations for routers, etc. For example, VMware sports an internal or virtual network on a physical machine which can have a quite specific configuration if the virtual servers are for outside access. Most tools I've seen through the years deal with network and physical machines and are not easy to use for virtual machines (which always runs on a physical machine you also need to control). Another example: SOHO routers have these days a web interface but how do you document the setup of such routers? Sometimes you have a quite convoluted system of port redirections and firewall configuration. To make prints of these pages looks somewhat old-fashioned to me. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 31 19:40:09 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:40:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there an end to computer power growth? In-Reply-To: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <02359BFEA75D4E66B890D28C16034C86@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is there an end to Moore's law of computers and how soon will it be reached? The following article discusses this inedibility. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/why-the-computer-is-doomed/ar ticle1449339 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 31 21:28:56 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:28:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there an end to computer power growth? In-Reply-To: <02359BFEA75D4E66B890D28C16034C86@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <3549BD3E522545A4BE49484A10F6365C@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <02359BFEA75D4E66B890D28C16034C86@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4B664A78.7554.403F80@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I dont' know whether I can swallow that :-) On 31 Jan 2010 at 17:40, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The following article discusses this inedibility.