[dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups

Mark Breen marklbreen at gmail.com
Sat Jan 30 14:02:37 CST 2010


Hello Jim,

If I understand you right you said the following

1) MS One Care is a project I have to purchase
2) MS One Care is suitable client to local backup files to usb drives

Is that right?

I guess that my real question is "what software should I use to schedule
backup of data to local usb drives on W2K3  Small Business Edition"

thanks

Mark


On 30 January 2010 16:37, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It is very interesting listening to your remote and backup solutions.
>
> I use Hamachi, in conjunction with Windows server admin terminal and remote
> product (Remote Desktop), on all my clients. Regardless of how their DNS
> changes through their own system or ISP or web site issues (The clients or
> myself have a few web sites or parts of sites supported off the local
> servers) there is always a way in... I have never ran across a more
> reliable
> connection method.
>
> There is also LogMeIn Pro which provides all those connection features
> required. A few local support companies use this product with all their
> clients. There is also a LogMeIn Backup/Sync application which integrates
> with their remote product. The prices for a single user are $70 and $40
> CAN,
> a year, respectively. LogMeIn is the owner of Hamachi (bought Hamachi out a
> few years ago) and therefore uses Hamachi's VPN, security and dedicated
> addresses.
>
> I was trying to use Microsoft's OneCare backup system. Unfortunately, it is
> as 'dumb as a box of rocks' went it comes to reconnecting to a remote
> server. As soon as the remote station or server has to be rebooted OnCare
> can no longer connect again... you could enter the login credentials, as
> presented, as many times as you want, no joy. Even with the remote server
> clearly connected via file explorer... exasperating to say the least. The
> product is not a total right-off as by going in the products options and
> resetting backup path, it will then allow it to reconnect. OneCare could be
> a good product if this issue was resolved as it is only 40 for 3 stations.
>
> That is my take on the current status on small integrated remote and backup
> systems.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:38 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Once and for all time: server backups
>
> Hello Gustav,
>
> Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up and let us all
> know.
>
> Gbridge looks great, I currently have Hamachi installed in quite a few
> machines now, but I will keep Gbridge in mind for my next remote link, if
> for no other reason, than to try out another tool / set of tools.
>
> Thanks also for the intro to second copy.
>
> I have to install two 1 TB USB disks this week as alternating off site
> backups.  As the data is sensitive, I am in the process of creating 1 TG
> encrypted volumes - it takes 16 hours each.
>
> I then have to figure out the best / simplest way to mirror one folder on
> the customers Win2K3 server machine.
>
> Options are
>
> DeltaCopy
> SyncToy
> SecondCopy
> GBridge (maybe but I do not need the remote facilities)
> MS Windows Backup
>
> No MS Exchange and no MS SQL Serer
>
> The data I am backing up is approx 20 GB, so I have the storage options or
> preparing - like the olden days with tapes - a daily, Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
>  and Monthly and Annual backup sets.  This would give step back
> possibilities.
>
> It is low budget - I want to complete 100% the task in one day including
> showing the customer how it all works and that it is easy to understand and
> use.
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 29 January 2010 16:54, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Sadly, we had to give up on DeltaCopy and rsync. This is just not a
> > combo for Windows machines with a WAN in between - to many protocol sync
> > errors, troubles with security settings on folders, and an installation
> > and configuration task that takes a top notch techie _days_ for tweaking
> > and testing. It just doesn't pay off.
> >
> > HOWever, we found a small gem, Gbridge:
> >
> >  http://www.gbridge.com/
> >
> > This is a unique combo of VPN connection with authentication via your
> > Google account, a backup program, a folder sync, a secure web interface
> > to your file store, remote control (with a little help from VNC), and
> > extensive logging - at zero cost. The only feature missing is some
> > method to e-mail a summarized report of the happenings.
> >
> > You can connect any count of machines both from your intranet and
> > remote invited machines, you could even build an extranet with this tiny
> > tool.
> >
> > This we use for backing up to a remote location (my home).
> > In addition we backup to a local machine using Second Copy:
> >
> >  http://www.centered.com/
> >
> > This is not free but cheap and features archiving of previous versions
> > of files when updated at the main server.
> > Finally the main server is backed via MySecureBackup to "the cloud" at
> > Amazon.
> > Everything is run an controlled from a dedicated backup station
> > (actually an old laptop with an external drive).
> >
> > So now we have a setup for backing up the main file server:
> >
> > 1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy
> > 2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge
> > 3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup
> >
> > This forms a 2½ way backup setup (2. will fail if 1. fails) which is
> > satisfactory as a 2 way system is minimum in case one system should
> > fail.
> > If you change the main server (NetWare at the moment) to a Windows
> > Server, Gbridge could run on that and you had a 3 way setup.
> > Of course, the backup station represents a single point of possible
> > failure but for operation only, not for storage. If that is a concern,
> > the operations of this machine could be split onto two machines or even
> > three.
> > Further, with a Windows Server you could activate its default shadow
> > copying backup for a fourth backup system suited for a system recovery
> > where the above backup setup is for file backup only.
> >
> > /gustav
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