From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  1 10:09:22 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:09:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
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Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
Boggles the mind it does.

http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html

Jim




From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 10:25:28 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:25:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
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And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)

http://xkcd.com/

Janet

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
> explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> Boggles the mind it does.
>
> http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
>
> Jim
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun  1 10:30:27 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:30:27 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
Message-ID: <sc0543d0.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Oh my, isn't that a geek. I would never have thought of writing an interpreter myself and have no idea of what Scheme is. 

But he mentions Lisp which I have only played with but find fascinating - which reminds me of Prolog which is so different and probably would have put me in some other corner of that class - with less than 10% raising our hands I guess! Could be fun to read it up again - to be realistic, that would not be before I retire ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 01-06-2010 17:09 >>>
Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
Boggles the mind it does.

http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html 

Jim





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  1 11:23:58 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:23:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
In-Reply-To: <sc0543d0.051@cactus.dk>
References: <sc0543d0.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F2FA5B4D2DC54E5BA2A9964ECCDFF12C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I think Prologue would have put you in a class of 1%... The last time I
played with Prologue, I had a Commadore64 and two 1541 floppy drives.

As for schema which I also know nothing about; I posted an article which
included Schema, which I will assume is a good description, about what
Schema is and does:

http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/#scheme

When I ever retire, I fully plan to waste a lot of time digging into the
some of the esiteric languages... but I am seriously planning on moving
ahead with the Cassandra Project.

The only thing that is holding me back is time and money... "minor details"
but my son-in-law is finally coming to Canada and should be here shortly
after the end of July and in addition I have been approached by a good
friend, a business expert, on whether I wish to go in with him on a grand
business deal... so who knows it may all come together yet...

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:30 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?

Hi Jim

Oh my, isn't that a geek. I would never have thought of writing an
interpreter myself and have no idea of what Scheme is. 

But he mentions Lisp which I have only played with but find fascinating -
which reminds me of Prolog which is so different and probably would have put
me in some other corner of that class - with less than 10% raising our hands
I guess! Could be fun to read it up again - to be realistic, that would not
be before I retire ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 01-06-2010 17:09 >>>
Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
Boggles the mind it does.

http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html 

Jim



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  1 11:51:39 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:51:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
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I saw that too... very funny. 

So how is your MSBS doing? 

A client that I have been dealing with, recently, when a fellow IT guy added
a new user, had an entire block of data disappear. Fortunately it was
totally backed up but so freaky and unexplained. It is a strange product to
say the least... real time desktop updates are not a good idea unless every
computer is the same and the install will remain static.

We have taken every percussion; a blessed cross, brought back from the holy
land, hangs above the black box that holds it, a sprinkling of holy water
and we may have a priest do an exorcism on it if any thing else goes
wrong,...again. I do suspect that some dark cult from the bowels of Redmond
created the beast.

I hope everything is going well with you.

Jim
  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?

And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)

http://xkcd.com/

Janet

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
> explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> Boggles the mind it does.
>
> http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
>
> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 12:06:51 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:06:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
In-Reply-To: <157842A6824747319E6ED676CCE32B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sbf5734b.084@cactus.dk>
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	<4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<157842A6824747319E6ED676CCE32B93@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilsPS_JBIoq9BW1f_jo45vrOeQqyIgEsztMo2-c@mail.gmail.com>

Do you mean the Small Business Server Installation from HELL?? We had a SBS
2008 seriously professional tech (he's done over 200 installations in the
past couple of years) remote in and conduct an assessment.  He says our
server has 1-3 years left to live based on the way the original install was
screwed up.  He said it was very obvious that the install was done by guys
who treated it like a Server 2003 install - which means it's been doomed to
die from the start.  In cpu-intensive aaaaaagony.

Ok, so that's an overly dramatic way to put it.  But it is essentially
true.  The tech recommended using their service to hand-hold and
patch/repair our current install every month for a year or so, and then
start over with a clean install.  But their monthly fee for said service is
WAY out of the ballpark, so I'm back to hunting for someone local with
enough experience to help us.  But that was before you suggested the
exorcisim/holy water approach.  It may well be easier to find a local priest
with SBS 2008 experience than it has been finding a consultant!!

Thanks for asking...it helps to have a sympathetic audience!  ;)

Janet

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I saw that too... very funny.
>
> So how is your MSBS doing?
>
> A client that I have been dealing with, recently, when a fellow IT guy
> added
> a new user, had an entire block of data disappear. Fortunately it was
> totally backed up but so freaky and unexplained. It is a strange product to
> say the least... real time desktop updates are not a good idea unless every
> computer is the same and the install will remain static.
>
> We have taken every percussion; a blessed cross, brought back from the holy
> land, hangs above the black box that holds it, a sprinkling of holy water
> and we may have a priest do an exorcism on it if any thing else goes
> wrong,...again. I do suspect that some dark cult from the bowels of Redmond
> created the beast.
>
> I hope everything is going well with you.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:25 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
>
>  And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)
>
> http://xkcd.com/
>
> Janet
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
> > explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> > Boggles the mind it does.
> >
> > http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  1 12:49:31 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:49:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
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Hi Janet:

If the tech you have is so good as to be able to do a proper install it may
be worth doing exactly that. It should not take longer than a day and if it
cost one thousand dollars it will be cheaper in the long run.

A friend had an expert from a company called StrangeLoops do his commercial
web site, cost him a couple of grand and it was the best investment he ever
made, he says.

In our case, we had the very best Guru from here go over the product item
per item and the install was apparently done correctly. All that he could
recommend were a few small adjustments... which we did... or a complete
re-install but no guarantees that it would solve anything.

Then there is Microsoft, they do have some very good people who can assist
with an install and it might only cost a few hundred. 

I would recommend you dump the specs; user lists, policies etc and do a
complete data backup, get another set of hard drives and replace the ones
you have and do the complete install yourself with the help from your remote
guru IT guy. You could do it all via a laptop, webcam and remote connection.
It should not take anything more than a day and you would definitely be an
expert by the end of it. It would of course blow a weekend but I am sure
your office would compensate.

Just a thought.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?

Do you mean the Small Business Server Installation from HELL?? We had a SBS
2008 seriously professional tech (he's done over 200 installations in the
past couple of years) remote in and conduct an assessment.  He says our
server has 1-3 years left to live based on the way the original install was
screwed up.  He said it was very obvious that the install was done by guys
who treated it like a Server 2003 install - which means it's been doomed to
die from the start.  In cpu-intensive aaaaaagony.

Ok, so that's an overly dramatic way to put it.  But it is essentially
true.  The tech recommended using their service to hand-hold and
patch/repair our current install every month for a year or so, and then
start over with a clean install.  But their monthly fee for said service is
WAY out of the ballpark, so I'm back to hunting for someone local with
enough experience to help us.  But that was before you suggested the
exorcisim/holy water approach.  It may well be easier to find a local priest
with SBS 2008 experience than it has been finding a consultant!!

Thanks for asking...it helps to have a sympathetic audience!  ;)

Janet

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I saw that too... very funny.
>
> So how is your MSBS doing?
>
> A client that I have been dealing with, recently, when a fellow IT guy
> added
> a new user, had an entire block of data disappear. Fortunately it was
> totally backed up but so freaky and unexplained. It is a strange product
to
> say the least... real time desktop updates are not a good idea unless
every
> computer is the same and the install will remain static.
>
> We have taken every percussion; a blessed cross, brought back from the
holy
> land, hangs above the black box that holds it, a sprinkling of holy water
> and we may have a priest do an exorcism on it if any thing else goes
> wrong,...again. I do suspect that some dark cult from the bowels of
Redmond
> created the beast.
>
> I hope everything is going well with you.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:25 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
>
>  And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)
>
> http://xkcd.com/
>
> Janet
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
> > explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> > Boggles the mind it does.
> >
> > http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 13:00:20 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:00:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
In-Reply-To: <30C9E0B7FCB44D418B65B7A0CF683CBA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<30C9E0B7FCB44D418B65B7A0CF683CBA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil2ErMkMy0z2tq8MALd0s5sFL3Vb41xHSMUc34L@mail.gmail.com>

Jim -

Thanks for the ideas!  I never thought of Microsoft, and I never thought of
trying to cut a custom deal with the guru for a remote install.  I'm going
to try and reach a decision on this whole thing in the next week, and I'll
let you know what we decide to do.  Thank you again - those are both
excellent ideas!

Janet

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Janet:
>
> If the tech you have is so good as to be able to do a proper install it may
> be worth doing exactly that. It should not take longer than a day and if it
> cost one thousand dollars it will be cheaper in the long run.
>
> A friend had an expert from a company called StrangeLoops do his commercial
> web site, cost him a couple of grand and it was the best investment he ever
> made, he says.
>
> In our case, we had the very best Guru from here go over the product item
> per item and the install was apparently done correctly. All that he could
> recommend were a few small adjustments... which we did... or a complete
> re-install but no guarantees that it would solve anything.
>
> Then there is Microsoft, they do have some very good people who can assist
> with an install and it might only cost a few hundred.
>
> I would recommend you dump the specs; user lists, policies etc and do a
> complete data backup, get another set of hard drives and replace the ones
> you have and do the complete install yourself with the help from your
> remote
> guru IT guy. You could do it all via a laptop, webcam and remote
> connection.
> It should not take anything more than a day and you would definitely be an
> expert by the end of it. It would of course blow a weekend but I am sure
> your office would compensate.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
>
> Do you mean the Small Business Server Installation from HELL?? We had a SBS
> 2008 seriously professional tech (he's done over 200 installations in the
> past couple of years) remote in and conduct an assessment.  He says our
> server has 1-3 years left to live based on the way the original install was
> screwed up.  He said it was very obvious that the install was done by guys
> who treated it like a Server 2003 install - which means it's been doomed to
> die from the start.  In cpu-intensive aaaaaagony.
>
> Ok, so that's an overly dramatic way to put it.  But it is essentially
> true.  The tech recommended using their service to hand-hold and
> patch/repair our current install every month for a year or so, and then
> start over with a clean install.  But their monthly fee for said service is
> WAY out of the ballpark, so I'm back to hunting for someone local with
> enough experience to help us.  But that was before you suggested the
> exorcisim/holy water approach.  It may well be easier to find a local
> priest
> with SBS 2008 experience than it has been finding a consultant!!
>
> Thanks for asking...it helps to have a sympathetic audience!  ;)
>
> Janet
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > I saw that too... very funny.
> >
> > So how is your MSBS doing?
> >
> > A client that I have been dealing with, recently, when a fellow IT guy
> > added
> > a new user, had an entire block of data disappear. Fortunately it was
> > totally backed up but so freaky and unexplained. It is a strange product
> to
> > say the least... real time desktop updates are not a good idea unless
> every
> > computer is the same and the install will remain static.
> >
> > We have taken every percussion; a blessed cross, brought back from the
> holy
> > land, hangs above the black box that holds it, a sprinkling of holy water
> > and we may have a priest do an exorcism on it if any thing else goes
> > wrong,...again. I do suspect that some dark cult from the bowels of
> Redmond
> > created the beast.
> >
> > I hope everything is going well with you.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:25 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
> >
> >  And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link
> he
> > > explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> > > Boggles the mind it does.
> > >
> > > http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jun  1 16:21:55 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:21:55 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are not uber Geeks an inspiration to us all?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqo-_yZuVXQw_ywwjWIIv99D67rzMxyM78WTYL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sbf5734b.084@cactus.dk>,
	<C680202481E6432D8F7E5C9A4D0103DF@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<AANLkTimqo-_yZuVXQw_ywwjWIIv99D67rzMxyM78WTYL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C0579F3.5758.49DBB99@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You would have been better off using the permanent link http://xkcd.com/747/
so that someone catching up on their email in a couple of days time  ( or much later if looking 
through the archives) will get it.

In a day or so, the relevance of http://xkcd.com to this subject will not be so apparent.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Jun 2010 at 10:25, Janet Erbach wrote:

> And in case there is any doubt as to the true definition of 'Geek'...:)
> 
> http://xkcd.com/
> 
> Janet
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Here is an interesting story from an uber geek. In the following link he
> > explains how he hacked together a 200 line interpreter in an evening...
> > Boggles the mind it does.
> >
> > http://rpal.sourceforge.net/oneday.html
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  3 02:03:08 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 00:03:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is IE8 crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4C0579F3.5758.49DBB99@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sbf5734b.084@cactus.dk>
	<C680202481E6432D8F7E5C9A4D0103DF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTimqo-_yZuVXQw_ywwjWIIv99D67rzMxyM78WTYL@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C0579F3.5758.49DBB99@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <FD6D92FE7B664E5CBA0FFC8A5E455182@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I must have been out of the loop but I have just installed the latest
version of IE8 on one of my test computers as I am doing a series of browser
tests for a new client's web site.

It appears the IE8 does not support IFRAMES even for local domains... This
is going to require a major rewrite with a lot of coding... as well it
screws up JQuery in various ways. To say the least IE8 looks like a
nightmare.

Any help or suggestions?

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  3 11:34:06 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:34:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is IE8 crippled?
In-Reply-To: <FD6D92FE7B664E5CBA0FFC8A5E455182@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sbf5734b.084@cactus.dk>
	<C680202481E6432D8F7E5C9A4D0103DF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTimqo-_yZuVXQw_ywwjWIIv99D67rzMxyM78WTYL@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C0579F3.5758.49DBB99@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<FD6D92FE7B664E5CBA0FFC8A5E455182@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5BAE3E27B20D4255B445D8173B0C3DD7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The problem has been solved and the reason discovered... I posted the cause
and simple solution on the Accessd List.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:03 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is IE8 crippled?
Importance: High

I must have been out of the loop but I have just installed the latest
version of IE8 on one of my test computers as I am doing a series of browser
tests for a new client's web site.

It appears the IE8 does not support IFRAMES even for local domains... This
is going to require a major rewrite with a lot of coding... as well it
screws up JQuery in various ways. To say the least IE8 looks like a
nightmare.

Any help or suggestions?

Jim

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun  9 11:29:56 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:29:56 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenSolaris, ZFS
Message-ID: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Are any of you running OpenSolaris and the file system ZFS?

http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/

I'm testing this on an old machine and everything seems fine but I wonder if anyone has experience - good or bad - with this combo?

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  9 11:58:36 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:58:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenSolaris, ZFS
In-Reply-To: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A0DA5B860BD14F1AB2DDB0972B942B7D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have not personally done anything with the product but I do know of a
government office that used it exclusively as their desktop and ran their
ArcInfo (terrestrial CAD/Database application) on it for years. They may be
still using it now.

My friend said that the platform was very stable but I understand that
Oracle may not be supporting the product in the same way SUN was. Whether
this means they will be moving it into the fold and charging for it or
selling it in conjunction with some of their other products or separating
themselves for the product and allowing it to go the free-lance Open Source
route, I do not know.

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:30 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenSolaris, ZFS

Hi all

Are any of you running OpenSolaris and the file system ZFS?

http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/

I'm testing this on an old machine and everything seems fine but I wonder if
anyone has experience - good or bad - with this combo?

/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  9 14:54:13 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:54:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new Uber Geek
In-Reply-To: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Guys:

Here is a new Uber Geek toy that you simply can not do without.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tw7RG5J0RY&feature=player_embedded#!

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 10 10:05:36 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:05:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out the
Anagram Server at:

http://wordsmith.org/anagram

Jim



From jerbach at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 10:40:39 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:40:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com>

Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 'wonkiest
users'!  I love it!

Janet

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out the
> Anagram Server at:
>
> http://wordsmith.org/anagram
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 10 10:53:24 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:53:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk><351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com><0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>

I typed in Rocky Smolin and got Sickly Moron.  I am not amused. (OK, I'm a
little amused)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:41 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server

Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 'wonkiest
users'!  I love it!

Janet

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out 
> the Anagram Server at:
>
> http://wordsmith.org/anagram
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jerbach at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 10:59:39 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:59:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com>
	<D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>

Does it make you feel better that 'Steve Erbach' comes back as 'Beaver
Chest'?  :)

Janet



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I typed in Rocky Smolin and got Sickly Moron.  I am not amused. (OK, I'm a
> little amused)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
>
> Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 'wonkiest
> users'!  I love it!
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out
> > the Anagram Server at:
> >
> > http://wordsmith.org/anagram
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 10 11:11:40 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:11:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk><351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com><0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com><AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com><D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BD5D6123F8942A48A98EBE1981206B1@HAL9005>

I've seen his picture...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server

Does it make you feel better that 'Steve Erbach' comes back as 'Beaver
Chest'?  :)

Janet



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I typed in Rocky Smolin and got Sickly Moron.  I am not amused. (OK, 
> I'm a little amused)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet 
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
>
> Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 
> 'wonkiest users'!  I love it!
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check 
> > out the Anagram Server at:
> >
> > http://wordsmith.org/anagram
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Jun 11 09:11:29 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:11:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <1BD5D6123F8942A48A98EBE1981206B1@HAL9005>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk><351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com><0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com><AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com><D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>	<AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BD5D6123F8942A48A98EBE1981206B1@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <024601cb096f$fcca7e60$f65f7b20$@net>

lol

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server

I've seen his picture...

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server

Does it make you feel better that 'Steve Erbach' comes back as 'Beaver
Chest'?  :)

Janet



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I typed in Rocky Smolin and got Sickly Moron.  I am not amused. (OK, 
> I'm a little amused)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet 
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
>
> Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 
> 'wonkiest users'!  I love it!
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check 
> > out the Anagram Server at:
> >
> > http://wordsmith.org/anagram
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Jun 11 09:11:29 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:11:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<AANLkTinz6GQ0THqGZZAxcSFdKjhCYCoXITcb2PHoNTwx@mail.gmail.com>	<D03DA8A919714AA48AE39FA8BCD95993@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTin9lgy_OzY2kcnAHksNv_RNAyaE_kWx7BT7ru90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <024501cb096f$fca913b0$f5fb3b10$@net>

How about "banjo throw"

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server

Does it make you feel better that 'Steve Erbach' comes back as 'Beaver
Chest'?  :)

Janet



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Rocky Smolin
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I typed in Rocky Smolin and got Sickly Moron.  I am not amused. (OK, I'm a
> little amused)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
>
> Jim - this is brilliant!  I typed in 'network issues' and got 'wonkiest
> users'!  I love it!
>
> Janet
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out
> > the Anagram Server at:
> >
> > http://wordsmith.org/anagram
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 11 15:55:07 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:55:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The strange case of IE
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil16vfAsctlD7e5-p_5ZAXVOpuRQpGxHpo9DqUa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTil16vfAsctlD7e5-p_5ZAXVOpuRQpGxHpo9DqUa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C01A673768AA4A2BAC6377EB254FE643@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

We, as web site designers, spend much of our lives working around various IE
bugs. I am just finishing spending two days completing a client's site and
then another day fixing the strangeness of IE.

The web sites I research for specific web site features, always have a
section at the bottom explaining how to resolve issues with IE.

Here is a link to the best grouping of IE bugs and either the methods to
resolve them or links for further information. There are also further links
to resolving other IE oddities:

http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
-internet-explorer-6-bugs


I hope this helps.

Jim   



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 03:04:30 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:04:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anagram Server
In-Reply-To: <0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant Jim, thank you for passing that on

I like Stackoverflow, but we would never be allowed to do this on
Stackoverflow.  I think they will need to modify the policy, otherwise they
may eventually run out of stream.

Mark


On 10 June 2010 16:05, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> For those with truly nothing better to do with their time... check out the
> Anagram Server at:
>
> http://wordsmith.org/anagram
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 12 10:24:46 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:24:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Does anyone here use OpenDNS? 

It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the usual
reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on. <Evil grin>

https://www.opendns.com/start/

It seems like it could be a good product.

Jim 



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 11:22:32 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>

Jim,

>Does anyone here use OpenDNS?

I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now 
go with the default.

PB

-----

On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>
> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the usual
> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil grin>
>
> https://www.opendns.com/start/
>
> It seems like it could be a good product.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date: 06/11/10 18:35:00
>
>    


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 12 12:28:27 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:28:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Peter:

Would you have any recommendations or suggestions in getting started with
the product...? I am looking to share data files but do not know what format
they are using or what are the methods of updating and retrieving records.

What sort of performance does this site give?

TIA
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS

Jim,

>Does anyone here use OpenDNS?

I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now 
go with the default.

PB

-----

On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>
> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the usual
> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil
grin>
>
> https://www.opendns.com/start/
>
> It seems like it could be a good product.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date: 06/11/10
18:35:00
>
>    
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 14:49:09 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:49:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
	<BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>

Hi Jim,

I just changed DNS server addresses and forgot about it. Sorry, I never 
any of their customising services.

P.

-----

On 6/12/2010 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Would you have any recommendations or suggestions in getting started with
> the product...? I am looking to share data files but do not know what format
> they are using or what are the methods of updating and retrieving records.
>
> What sort of performance does this site give?
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
>
> Jim,
>
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>      
> I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now
> go with the default.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>
>> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the usual
>> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil
>>      
> grin>
>    
>> https://www.opendns.com/start/
>>
>> It seems like it could be a good product.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date: 06/11/10
>>      
> 18:35:00
>    
>>
>>      
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2932 - Release Date: 06/11/10 18:35:00
>
>    


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jun 12 16:50:50 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:50:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
Message-ID: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Same here. It is good as an alternative if your default DNS servers of your ISP seem to behave strangely, which we have seen more than twice. But I don't like the URL "guessing" feature they offer - more confusing than resolving.

However, these days Google offer free DNS as well at 8.8.8.8, an address you can't forget, thus perfect for high priority service calls.

OpenDNS doesn't offer any file sharing to my knowledge. Are you mixing something up?

/gustav


>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 12-06-2010 21:49 >>>
Hi Jim,

I just changed DNS server addresses and forgot about it. Sorry, I never 
any of their customising services.

P.

-----

On 6/12/2010 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Would you have any recommendations or suggestions in getting started with
> the product...? I am looking to share data files but do not know what format
> they are using or what are the methods of updating and retrieving records.
>
> What sort of performance does this site give?
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
>
> Jim,
>
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>      
> I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now
> go with the default.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>
>> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the usual
>> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil
>>      
> grin>
>    
>> https://www.opendns.com/start/ 
>>
>> It seems like it could be a good product.
>>
>> Jim




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 12 17:20:54 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:20:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
In-Reply-To: <4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
	<BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <24F686D137E442F1849F9E05B3C7E84A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I have just spent two extra days on designing a web site to work with IE and
it various flavours. Last week it was the same and next week I am doing a
major POS web site and rest assured if I have to make this site IE compliant
it will cost me and the client's a number of days and thousands of dollars.

On Monday, as the site is internal, I will be making a strong pitch to not
use IE at all and may be going so far as to remove direct IE access from all
the desktops.

http://lifehacker.com/5164286/windows-7-lets-you-finally-uninstall-internet-
explorer-kinda


How to work around some of the most serious IE bugs up to memory leaks and
system crashes...

http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
-internet-explorer-6-bugs


Amongst us web site designers there is slowly becoming a united dislike for
Microsoft's unwillingness to embrace the new industry standards. MS of all
the companies has the depth and resources to easily reach the current
standards and become a leader again. I can not explain their reasoning and
reluctance to move on but now I can only move to another product and wait.

http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html


Jim  



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 12 17:46:30 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:46:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>
References: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1691E30F7B104BDFBDADEF0F5E7CBAE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Must have gotten a sector cross-linked... 
  
Maybe Google might be a better and more universal option. Thanks for the
information Gustav.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:51 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS

Hi Jim

Same here. It is good as an alternative if your default DNS servers of your
ISP seem to behave strangely, which we have seen more than twice. But I
don't like the URL "guessing" feature they offer - more confusing than
resolving.

However, these days Google offer free DNS as well at 8.8.8.8, an address you
can't forget, thus perfect for high priority service calls.

OpenDNS doesn't offer any file sharing to my knowledge. Are you mixing
something up?

/gustav


>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 12-06-2010 21:49 >>>
Hi Jim,

I just changed DNS server addresses and forgot about it. Sorry, I never 
any of their customising services.

P.

-----

On 6/12/2010 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Would you have any recommendations or suggestions in getting started with
> the product...? I am looking to share data files but do not know what
format
> they are using or what are the methods of updating and retrieving records.
>
> What sort of performance does this site give?
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
>
> Jim,
>
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>      
> I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now
> go with the default.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>
>> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the
usual
>> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil
>>      
> grin>
>    
>> https://www.opendns.com/start/ 
>>
>> It seems like it could be a good product.
>>
>> Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 12 17:51:10 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
In-Reply-To: <1691E30F7B104BDFBDADEF0F5E7CBAE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>
	<1691E30F7B104BDFBDADEF0F5E7CBAE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FFFB40DDADC4454CBEE5FEF2874A717A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

...and further to check out link:

http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html

Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 3:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS

Must have gotten a sector cross-linked... 
  
Maybe Google might be a better and more universal option. Thanks for the
information Gustav.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:51 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS

Hi Jim

Same here. It is good as an alternative if your default DNS servers of your
ISP seem to behave strangely, which we have seen more than twice. But I
don't like the URL "guessing" feature they offer - more confusing than
resolving.

However, these days Google offer free DNS as well at 8.8.8.8, an address you
can't forget, thus perfect for high priority service calls.

OpenDNS doesn't offer any file sharing to my knowledge. Are you mixing
something up?

/gustav


>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 12-06-2010 21:49 >>>
Hi Jim,

I just changed DNS server addresses and forgot about it. Sorry, I never 
any of their customising services.

P.

-----

On 6/12/2010 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Would you have any recommendations or suggestions in getting started with
> the product...? I am looking to share data files but do not know what
format
> they are using or what are the methods of updating and retrieving records.
>
> What sort of performance does this site give?
>
> TIA
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenDNS
>
> Jim,
>
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>      
> I have, and it worked fine, but my carrier fixed its problems, so I now
> go with the default.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> On 6/12/2010 10:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>    
>> Does anyone here use OpenDNS?
>>
>> It sounds like an interesting product but I have not pursued for the
usual
>> reason; not enough time to research and no client to test it on.<Evil
>>      
> grin>
>    
>> https://www.opendns.com/start/ 
>>
>> It seems like it could be a good product.
>>
>> Jim


_______________________________________________
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 06:18:46 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:18:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
In-Reply-To: <24F686D137E442F1849F9E05B3C7E84A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
	<BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>
	<24F686D137E442F1849F9E05B3C7E84A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwulz54XFb3NKGx8exwmD6D3UhI0b79L5coc3E@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,

Do you use DotNetNuke?

if not, what do you build your sites with?

thanks

Mark



On 12 June 2010 23:20, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have just spent two extra days on designing a web site to work with IE
> and
> it various flavours. Last week it was the same and next week I am doing a
> major POS web site and rest assured if I have to make this site IE
> compliant
> it will cost me and the client's a number of days and thousands of dollars.
>
> On Monday, as the site is internal, I will be making a strong pitch to not
> use IE at all and may be going so far as to remove direct IE access from
> all
> the desktops.
>
>
> http://lifehacker.com/5164286/windows-7-lets-you-finally-uninstall-internet-
> explorer-kinda
>
>
> How to work around some of the most serious IE bugs up to memory leaks and
> system crashes...
>
>
> http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
> -internet-explorer-6-bugs
>
>
> Amongst us web site designers there is slowly becoming a united dislike for
> Microsoft's unwillingness to embrace the new industry standards. MS of all
> the companies has the depth and resources to easily reach the current
> standards and become a leader again. I can not explain their reasoning and
> reluctance to move on but now I can only move to another product and wait.
>
> http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html
>
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 13 12:16:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:16:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwulz54XFb3NKGx8exwmD6D3UhI0b79L5coc3E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0DF9E7794359450696680EB76784489B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA73DFB7517946B4B77598348C12A2E9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13B448.3030601@earthlink.net>
	<BF68D285E85C4928A976DC15463DA342@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>
	<24F686D137E442F1849F9E05B3C7E84A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AANLkTinwulz54XFb3NKGx8exwmD6D3UhI0b79L5coc3E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30C3156E44474CDC8866ED0985BC6731@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I wrote one app in DotNet but when it was finally running trying to fix
things caused some issues. 

It took days to work through all the various classes and time was of an
essence. It ended up taken too long just to do the simplest things... (I
have not mastered C# and that will probably take a while.) The program ran
so much slower as much of the functionality runs back at the server end.

Most of my current apps use as much JavaScript, JQuery, CSS, AJAX etc as
possible. I have a cluster of re-useable C# components, (I have begged
borrowed and stolen as I have been phasing out all the ASP stuff) that I
would call a connection interface framework and then everything else I build
into the SQL BE as a series of SPs... many which are again re-useable. It is
my attempt at building a truly distributive system.  

When my understanding of C# is better I might again go back hacking and
mashing apps together using DNN. 

Client's put as much emphasis (more) on user interface so being able to
produce good graphics, excellent layouts and smooth transitions is as
important as a BE. Clients will pay 10 times as much for a good layout... so
guess where most of my time placed?  

Right now too much of my time is involved with hardware and BE installs so
my studying will have to wait until the fall. ;-) 

Jim




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest

Hello Jim,

Do you use DotNetNuke?

if not, what do you build your sites with?

thanks

Mark



On 12 June 2010 23:20, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have just spent two extra days on designing a web site to work with IE
> and
> it various flavours. Last week it was the same and next week I am doing a
> major POS web site and rest assured if I have to make this site IE
> compliant
> it will cost me and the client's a number of days and thousands of
dollars.
>
> On Monday, as the site is internal, I will be making a strong pitch to not
> use IE at all and may be going so far as to remove direct IE access from
> all
> the desktops.
>
>
>
http://lifehacker.com/5164286/windows-7-lets-you-finally-uninstall-internet-
> explorer-kinda
>
>
> How to work around some of the most serious IE bugs up to memory leaks and
> system crashes...
>
>
>
http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
> -internet-explorer-6-bugs
>
>
> Amongst us web site designers there is slowly becoming a united dislike
for
> Microsoft's unwillingness to embrace the new industry standards. MS of all
> the companies has the depth and resources to easily reach the current
> standards and become a leader again. I can not explain their reasoning and
> reluctance to move on but now I can only move to another product and wait.
>
> http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html
>
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 14 14:02:21 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:02:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] THe most powerful supercomputer
In-Reply-To: <FFFB40DDADC4454CBEE5FEF2874A717A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>
	<1691E30F7B104BDFBDADEF0F5E7CBAE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FFFB40DDADC4454CBEE5FEF2874A717A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <9D0EA974D9AB42F89E75C2029187E7C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The following post suggest Linix is used on all the most powerful computer
systems in the world... so it is not MS... now that is a surprise. But with
that aside what is the most power super computer in the world? (In other
words what is the best game machine. ;-))

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1611

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 15 09:55:26 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:55:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <9D0EA974D9AB42F89E75C2029187E7C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc141d69.044@cactus.dk>
	<1691E30F7B104BDFBDADEF0F5E7CBAE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FFFB40DDADC4454CBEE5FEF2874A717A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9D0EA974D9AB42F89E75C2029187E7C7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FC8CFDCE10694923894576835A988DA7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-
industry/

Jim



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 15 10:38:19 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:38:19 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
Message-ID: <sc17baab.090@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation: 32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-industry/

Jim




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 15 12:45:44 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:45:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <sc17baab.090@cactus.dk>
References: <sc17baab.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <82378F6FBC404C6B91DDE1D48E0EFFDD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day. 

I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
have problems or no longer supports their requirements. 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-
industry/

Jim


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 16 01:38:43 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:38:43 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
Message-ID: <sc188dba.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24 hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond. 
My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while providing enough performance.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day. 

I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
have problems or no longer supports their requirements. 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server- 
industry/

Jim





From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 10:19:15 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:19:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <sc188dba.009@cactus.dk>
References: <sc188dba.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <9A246C7901FC4DDD9A9DBBAAC1E9F3E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Here is a couple links that might interest you.

http://beagleboard.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board


An aside:

I understand the power costs over in much of Europe are very high. 

We here on the north coast of the NA continent are quite spoiled with some
of the cheapest power (all hydro) anywhere so it has never been a real
concern. (that is why Microsoft and Google are situated here along with a
host of other companies... cheap power.) 

An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage), heating with electricty pays
between $12.00 and $15.00 CDN (10 to 12 EUR) per month. Business rates are
lower (35 kW per month and up).

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:39 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24
hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond. 
My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while
providing enough performance.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day. 

I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
have problems or no longer supports their requirements. 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-

industry/

Jim



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 16 10:40:17 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:40:17 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
Message-ID: <sc190c8f.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Cute indeed! But I would need a rather normal board with more ram, PCI bus, etc. which could run Win2003. At best in a 19" rack housing.

Those power costs you mention, we can only dream about ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-06-2010 17:19 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Here is a couple links that might interest you.

http://beagleboard.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board 


An aside:

I understand the power costs over in much of Europe are very high. 

We here on the north coast of the NA continent are quite spoiled with some
of the cheapest power (all hydro) anywhere so it has never been a real
concern. (that is why Microsoft and Google are situated here along with a
host of other companies... cheap power.) 

An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage), heating with electricty pays
between $12.00 and $15.00 CDN (10 to 12 EUR) per month. Business rates are
lower (35 kW per month and up).

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:39 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24
hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond. 
My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while
providing enough performance.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day. 

I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
have problems or no longer supports their requirements. 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server- 

industry/

Jim




From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 16 10:57:33 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:57:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <9A246C7901FC4DDD9A9DBBAAC1E9F3E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc188dba.009@cactus.dk>
	<9A246C7901FC4DDD9A9DBBAAC1E9F3E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4C18F46D.4040406@earthlink.net>

Jim,

>  An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage)

You mean 1.5K-3K sq ft, right?

PB

-----

On 6/16/2010 10:19 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Here is a couple links that might interest you.
>
> http://beagleboard.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board
>
>
> An aside:
>
> I understand the power costs over in much of Europe are very high.
>
> We here on the north coast of the NA continent are quite spoiled with some
> of the cheapest power (all hydro) anywhere so it has never been a real
> concern. (that is why Microsoft and Google are situated here along with a
> host of other companies... cheap power.)
>
> An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage), heating with electricty pays
> between $12.00 and $15.00 CDN (10 to 12 EUR) per month. Business rates are
> lower (35 kW per month and up).
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24
> hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond.
> My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while
> providing enough performance.
>
> /gustav
>
>    
>>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45>>>
>>>>          
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
> some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day.
>
> I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
> their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
> requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
> have problems or no longer supports their requirements.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
> 32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
> four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
> For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...
>
> /gustav
>
>
>    
>>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55>>>
>>>>          
> Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
> a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
> CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
> to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy...
>
> They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
> pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
> subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
> big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
> turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.
>
> But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
> and need performance you just pay... well until now:
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-
>
> industry/
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 11:00:58 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:00:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
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Hi Jim,

I know some people that do no even know what C# means and they  make quite a
lot of money building big websites with DNN.  They call themselves System
Integrators.  Just plug your module and play.

I now what you mean about "too many things to learn, only about 20 - 30
years left to live"

Mark



On 13 June 2010 18:16, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I wrote one app in DotNet but when it was finally running trying to fix
> things caused some issues.
>
> It took days to work through all the various classes and time was of an
> essence. It ended up taken too long just to do the simplest things... (I
> have not mastered C# and that will probably take a while.) The program ran
> so much slower as much of the functionality runs back at the server end.
>
> Most of my current apps use as much JavaScript, JQuery, CSS, AJAX etc as
> possible. I have a cluster of re-useable C# components, (I have begged
> borrowed and stolen as I have been phasing out all the ASP stuff) that I
> would call a connection interface framework and then everything else I
> build
> into the SQL BE as a series of SPs... many which are again re-useable. It
> is
> my attempt at building a truly distributive system.
>
> When my understanding of C# is better I might again go back hacking and
> mashing apps together using DNN.
>
> Client's put as much emphasis (more) on user interface so being able to
> produce good graphics, excellent layouts and smooth transitions is as
> important as a BE. Clients will pay 10 times as much for a good layout...
> so
> guess where most of my time placed?
>
> Right now too much of my time is involved with hardware and BE installs so
> my studying will have to wait until the fall. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> Do you use DotNetNuke?
>
> if not, what do you build your sites with?
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 12 June 2010 23:20, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have just spent two extra days on designing a web site to work with IE
> > and
> > it various flavours. Last week it was the same and next week I am doing a
> > major POS web site and rest assured if I have to make this site IE
> > compliant
> > it will cost me and the client's a number of days and thousands of
> dollars.
> >
> > On Monday, as the site is internal, I will be making a strong pitch to
> not
> > use IE at all and may be going so far as to remove direct IE access from
> > all
> > the desktops.
> >
> >
> >
>
> http://lifehacker.com/5164286/windows-7-lets-you-finally-uninstall-internet-
> > explorer-kinda
> >
> >
> > How to work around some of the most serious IE bugs up to memory leaks
> and
> > system crashes...
> >
> >
> >
>
> http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
> > -internet-explorer-6-bugs
> >
> >
> > Amongst us web site designers there is slowly becoming a united dislike
> for
> > Microsoft's unwillingness to embrace the new industry standards. MS of
> all
> > the companies has the depth and resources to easily reach the current
> > standards and become a leader again. I can not explain their reasoning
> and
> > reluctance to move on but now I can only move to another product and
> wait.
> >
> > http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 12:20:31 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:20:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <sc190c8f.020@cactus.dk>
References: <sc190c8f.020@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <9B7B2F7C8B704E388B3A4661DE516D3C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The older computers usually need less power to run as their CPU could not
heat a house and if you do not need the performance why upgrade. One of the
costs of the new 64bit multi-core systems is costs of keeping the unit from
frying.

As most of the cost of running a computer is cooling, being able to remove
the computer case and racking the systems in a lower basement should cut
costs.  
 
If you have a sizable computer farm it would be well worth moving it to this
region. Not only are the power costs considerably less but access to high
speed pipes are cheaper. Most major centers have fiber-optic backbones. The
internet makes supporting a remote system relatively easy.

Google rack mounts all their computers. They just place each row of boards
vertical, have a single power supply, that plugs into all the boards on the
row, the row stack is 4 to 5 high and each column has a single large fan at
the bottom blowing up. That way of mounting a cluster of computers is
supposed to be very cost effective. 

According to someone that was working at Google, (no one is supposed to know
where Google's main computer site is) they are planning to carve a large
cave into a mountain, run up a couple of shafts inside, exiting far above
and then using the venturi effect to create the appropriate refrigeration...
Heady stuff.

Jim


 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:40 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Cute indeed! But I would need a rather normal board with more ram, PCI bus,
etc. which could run Win2003. At best in a 19" rack housing.

Those power costs you mention, we can only dream about ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-06-2010 17:19 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Here is a couple links that might interest you.

http://beagleboard.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board 


An aside:

I understand the power costs over in much of Europe are very high. 

We here on the north coast of the NA continent are quite spoiled with some
of the cheapest power (all hydro) anywhere so it has never been a real
concern. (that is why Microsoft and Google are situated here along with a
host of other companies... cheap power.) 

An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage), heating with electricty pays
between $12.00 and $15.00 CDN (10 to 12 EUR) per month. Business rates are
lower (35 kW per month and up).

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:39 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24
hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond. 
My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while
providing enough performance.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45 >>>
Hi Gustav:

Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day. 

I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
have problems or no longer supports their requirements. 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Hi Jim

Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential limitation:
32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit or
four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55 >>>
Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling fans,
a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy... 

They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and never
turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.

But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
and need performance you just pay... well until now:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-


industry/

Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 12:23:11 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:23:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
In-Reply-To: <4C18F46D.4040406@earthlink.net>
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Very observant... yes you are right of course. 8-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better

Jim,

>  An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage)

You mean 1.5K-3K sq ft, right?

PB

-----

On 6/16/2010 10:19 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Here is a couple links that might interest you.
>
> http://beagleboard.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board
>
>
> An aside:
>
> I understand the power costs over in much of Europe are very high.
>
> We here on the north coast of the NA continent are quite spoiled with some
> of the cheapest power (all hydro) anywhere so it has never been a real
> concern. (that is why Microsoft and Google are situated here along with a
> host of other companies... cheap power.)
>
> An average house here (15 to 30K sq footage), heating with electricty pays
> between $12.00 and $15.00 CDN (10 to 12 EUR) per month. Business rates are
> lower (35 kW per month and up).
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes, but these old boxes use a lot of power, and if such a box runs for 24
> hours that _really_ adds up on this side of the pond.
> My thought was that an Atom-based board would use far less power while
> providing enough performance.
>
> /gustav
>
>    
>>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 19:45>>>
>>>>          
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Some of the best servers I have worked with are old beater boxes running
> some form of Linux but seem unfazed with 10,000 hits a day.
>
> I was working on an old Win2000 box that this company has been running as
> their web server and it seems secure and able to handle their web site
> requirements just fine.... so I recommended they keep it until it starts
> have problems or no longer supports their requirements.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Faster, cheaper and better
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Certainly interesting for the big guys though with one potential
limitation:
> 32-bit only. However, for a web site, who cares if you run sixteen 32-bit
or
> four 64-bit virtual servers in parallel?
> For normal use it could be cool with a 8 or 16 x Atom CPU board ...
>
> /gustav
>
>
>    
>>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-06-2010 16:55>>>
>>>>          
> Servers can be very expensive as they require huge boxes, many cooling
fans,
> a power supply that requires the biggest UPS, heatsink and more fans. The
> CPUs have fans and heatsinks as big as a head. It requires two people just
> to roll them into place. Then we throw in redundancy...
>
> They can be a really pain in the back; literally... I know. Most of the
> pain, I understand is in the price (far beyond my pay grade) and
> subsequently the maintenance and power consumption. They suck power
> big-time. It is like turning on an electric stove or 20 hot plates and
never
> turning them off... no wonder they need their own power circuits.
>
> But there isn't much that can be done about it. If you have a lot of data
> and need performance you just pay... well until now:
>
>
http://venturebeat.com/2010/06/13/seamicro-drops-an-atom-bomb-on-the-server-
>
> industry/
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 12:55:21 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:55:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
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Oh so true... so much to learn and so little time. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:01 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest

Hi Jim,

I know some people that do no even know what C# means and they  make quite a
lot of money building big websites with DNN.  They call themselves System
Integrators.  Just plug your module and play.

I now what you mean about "too many things to learn, only about 20 - 30
years left to live"

Mark



On 13 June 2010 18:16, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I wrote one app in DotNet but when it was finally running trying to fix
> things caused some issues.
>
> It took days to work through all the various classes and time was of an
> essence. It ended up taken too long just to do the simplest things... (I
> have not mastered C# and that will probably take a while.) The program ran
> so much slower as much of the functionality runs back at the server end.
>
> Most of my current apps use as much JavaScript, JQuery, CSS, AJAX etc as
> possible. I have a cluster of re-useable C# components, (I have begged
> borrowed and stolen as I have been phasing out all the ASP stuff) that I
> would call a connection interface framework and then everything else I
> build
> into the SQL BE as a series of SPs... many which are again re-useable. It
> is
> my attempt at building a truly distributive system.
>
> When my understanding of C# is better I might again go back hacking and
> mashing apps together using DNN.
>
> Client's put as much emphasis (more) on user interface so being able to
> produce good graphics, excellent layouts and smooth transitions is as
> important as a BE. Clients will pay 10 times as much for a good layout...
> so
> guess where most of my time placed?
>
> Right now too much of my time is involved with hardware and BE installs so
> my studying will have to wait until the fall. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE 6 and the rest
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> Do you use DotNetNuke?
>
> if not, what do you build your sites with?
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 12 June 2010 23:20, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have just spent two extra days on designing a web site to work with IE
> > and
> > it various flavours. Last week it was the same and next week I am doing
a
> > major POS web site and rest assured if I have to make this site IE
> > compliant
> > it will cost me and the client's a number of days and thousands of
> dollars.
> >
> > On Monday, as the site is internal, I will be making a strong pitch to
> not
> > use IE at all and may be going so far as to remove direct IE access from
> > all
> > the desktops.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
http://lifehacker.com/5164286/windows-7-lets-you-finally-uninstall-internet-
> > explorer-kinda
> >
> >
> > How to work around some of the most serious IE bugs up to memory leaks
> and
> > system crashes...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fix-25
> > -internet-explorer-6-bugs
> >
> >
> > Amongst us web site designers there is slowly becoming a united dislike
> for
> > Microsoft's unwillingness to embrace the new industry standards. MS of
> all
> > the companies has the depth and resources to easily reach the current
> > standards and become a leader again. I can not explain their reasoning
> and
> > reluctance to move on but now I can only move to another product and
> wait.
> >
> > http://www.bringdownie6.com/bring-down-ie-6.html
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 14:58:33 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:58:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The programmers lot
In-Reply-To: <20EEAA09A9A04288A648DB892B22B02F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc0fddc6.074@cactus.dk>
	<351D610C490A4678A19798A1993C9C74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<AANLkTike7_DM8mEHOhJZzgC066ISEg6Hy26uxV3ePwrH@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4C13E4B5.20300@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <B7C09089955E49FF831164ADE0207282@creativesystemdesigns.com>

After running a double shift to make my clients happy, I find myself in a
down mood... maybe it is to do with no sleep or is it the calls from the
client saying the colour is wrong... (I am sorry I did not remember which
bilious shade of green you wanted... Oh, you want it to work with IE...)

Here is a link/post that seems to understand; couldn't have been written by
a manager or any of the sales staff:

http://johnnance01.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/never-trust-a-programmer/

Jim



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 05:28:31 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:28:31 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Calling all you guys interesting in Cloud Computing -
	Azure / S3 / EC and Scrum techniques
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Guys,

Last year Shamil kicked off a scrum team which about five / six people
participated in.  We did a project and it was fun.  I think one or two
people ended up with the lions share of the work but in general it was fun
and the project is more or less complete / dormant now and is available on
codeplex.

I would love if we could do another project whereby we create a real world,
demo app that runs on Azure or S3.

I know almost nothing about it but I am intrigued to imagine that both my
data (my Database) and my application (my IIS Server and IIS Code)  are all
running on thousands of different servers and yet never on any one
particular machine.

If I understand it right, Azure / S3 / EC is not virtual, or even clustered
servers:  it is a service that offer interfaces for running objects or
processing and storing data.

Would we like to start a project designed with the intention of learning
cloud computing?

I would nominate Shamil to be a Chief Scientist and CEO, I would take his
lead in all things technical, and I would suggest that us mere mortals do
the heavy lifting, IOW we do not end up forcing Shamil or Gustav to be
pushed into quietly writing the code but we do it and we share the workload
and we all learn.  Shamil will guide is and assist but he will not write our
homework for us.  We have to learn it ourselves.

If we do it, I would suggest that we take it one step at a time and for the
first version, we create an application to store the just the Customers
table in the cloud.  When all interested parties have built that and seen it
working really live, we can move on to Order and Products etc.  Maybe
finally, we could even put in a credit card processing element, or VAT
number verification (like Gustav mentioned last year).

I am also interested in exploring Amazons S3 and EC2

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
<http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/>http://aws.amazon.com/
<http://aws.amazon.com/>http://aws.amazon.com/s3/
<http://aws.amazon.com/s3/>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsazure/

<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsazure/>What else do we need to read up on,
 we actually need a program of education for the next six months.  By that
time we might be telling all customers "Sql Server is the old way, nowadays
I only store data in the cloud" ;)

BTW, I have not spoken to Shamil about this, and I hope he does not mind
me nominating him, I think that his technical leadership in our group over
so long qualifies him for this role (for this project anyway).

Thanks to all you good friends,

Mark


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 18 09:48:59 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:48:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Calling all you guys interesting in Cloud Computing
	-	Azure / S3 / EC and Scrum techniques
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

It seems like a good learning project but there seems to be a price tag
associated, with all these products, just getting setup and testing.

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:29 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.;
Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Discussion concerning MS SQL
Server
Subject: [dba-Tech] Calling all you guys interesting in Cloud Computing -
Azure / S3 / EC and Scrum techniques

Hello Guys,

Last year Shamil kicked off a scrum team which about five / six people
participated in.  We did a project and it was fun.  I think one or two
people ended up with the lions share of the work but in general it was fun
and the project is more or less complete / dormant now and is available on
codeplex.

I would love if we could do another project whereby we create a real world,
demo app that runs on Azure or S3.

I know almost nothing about it but I am intrigued to imagine that both my
data (my Database) and my application (my IIS Server and IIS Code)  are all
running on thousands of different servers and yet never on any one
particular machine.

If I understand it right, Azure / S3 / EC is not virtual, or even clustered
servers:  it is a service that offer interfaces for running objects or
processing and storing data.

Would we like to start a project designed with the intention of learning
cloud computing?

I would nominate Shamil to be a Chief Scientist and CEO, I would take his
lead in all things technical, and I would suggest that us mere mortals do
the heavy lifting, IOW we do not end up forcing Shamil or Gustav to be
pushed into quietly writing the code but we do it and we share the workload
and we all learn.  Shamil will guide is and assist but he will not write our
homework for us.  We have to learn it ourselves.

If we do it, I would suggest that we take it one step at a time and for the
first version, we create an application to store the just the Customers
table in the cloud.  When all interested parties have built that and seen it
working really live, we can move on to Order and Products etc.  Maybe
finally, we could even put in a credit card processing element, or VAT
number verification (like Gustav mentioned last year).

I am also interested in exploring Amazons S3 and EC2

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
<http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/>http://aws.amazon.com/
<http://aws.amazon.com/>http://aws.amazon.com/s3/
<http://aws.amazon.com/s3/>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsazure/

<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsazure/>What else do we need to read up on,
 we actually need a program of education for the next six months.  By that
time we might be telling all customers "Sql Server is the old way, nowadays
I only store data in the cloud" ;)

BTW, I have not spoken to Shamil about this, and I hope he does not mind
me nominating him, I think that his technical leadership in our group over
so long qualifies him for this role (for this project anyway).

Thanks to all you good friends,

Mark
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 18 10:06:27 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:06:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fractal Art
In-Reply-To: <6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is an interesting link.

TechRepublic posted the link to a site where you can download a fractal
engine and be able to produce fabulous art pieces. The site also explains
how factual design engine works and theory behind it. (There is a version
that runs on Mac and Linux as well as Windows):

http://fractalfoundation.wolfesongs.com/?page_id=180

...and... 

http://fractalfoundation.org/resources/fractal-software : for downloading as
the link is not clear

Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 21 11:36:56 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:36:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Behind FaceBook
In-Reply-To: <7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The FaceBook site is by far the largest single database in the world. The
amount of data that this organization moves daily is almost on an
unimaginable scale.

The interesting point is that all the software they use is open-source.
There are a number of fabulous packages they use. 

I had set up a site with Erlan a while back but simply ran out of time (the
curse of the working man) and space to get the product fully operational and
am now preparing to get a group project together to implement Cassandra but
not until this fall at the earliest... we are planning a business around
this implementation. I have already downloaded HipHop for PHP and done some
testing... I just do not have enough PHP code to really test this app as
what is faster than instantaneous...

The following link is fascinating; with a list of software that you too
could use to create another FaceBook sized application or just build a super
fast website of your own:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/06/18/the-software-behind-facebook/

Check it out... 

Jim    



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 21 12:00:30 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:00:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] ChromeOS
In-Reply-To: <D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <687C6DC5702948C296EDD8E1A91FA741@creativesystemdesigns.com>

ChromeOS is a new operating system being created by Google and it appears
that as soon as it makes it official entrance, later this fall, Dell is in
the final stages of arranging to distrib the new OS on their laptops. 

This should be interesting to say the least:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/dell-in-talks-with-google-ove
r-chrome-os/article1611591/

Has anyone here used and tested the beta versions of ChromeOS on one of
their computers?

Jim 



From jerbach at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 20:40:54 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:40:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Behind FaceBook
In-Reply-To: <D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1DDA8D7E-094E-42F1-89B8-13C97470FA6D@gmail.com>

Jim -

Speaking of writing another facebook...have you seen this?


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html?dbk

Steven came across it somewhere.

Janet Erbach

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:36 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The FaceBook site is by far the largest single database in the  
> world. The
> amount of data that this organization moves daily is almost on an
> unimaginable scale.
>
> The interesting point is that all the software they use is open- 
> source.
> There are a number of fabulous packages they use.
>
> I had set up a site with Erlan a while back but simply ran out of  
> time (the
> curse of the working man) and space to get the product fully  
> operational and
> am now preparing to get a group project together to implement  
> Cassandra but
> not until this fall at the earliest... we are planning a business  
> around
> this implementation. I have already downloaded HipHop for PHP and  
> done some
> testing... I just do not have enough PHP code to really test this  
> app as
> what is faster than instantaneous...
>
> The following link is fascinating; with a list of software that you  
> too
> could use to create another FaceBook sized application or just build  
> a super
> fast website of your own:
>
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/06/18/the-software-behind-facebook/
>
> Check it out...
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 21 21:03:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:03:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software Behind FaceBook
In-Reply-To: <1DDA8D7E-094E-42F1-89B8-13C97470FA6D@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimwQ2rx0w9mtLVDbgQUAhjbgBuYut7DZ18Cti6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E63DA74F1C24830BFDD3448C3B3F802@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<7A6692377C2A404BAC9BD428039A3AC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D7BAEA189A664249AD4128F08C176CD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1DDA8D7E-094E-42F1-89B8-13C97470FA6D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F15A81853EEF4A71BAC010B30AC75816@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The first statement, in the article, against FaceBook absorbing all the
information we are will to give it has never been my concern.

<Rant mode on>
My concerns is that they (FaceBook) feel they now own that information and
are free to sell any personal information, they have collected to the
highest bidder and that information that you have given them is now their
property.
<Rant mode off>

More power to these guys...

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 6:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software Behind FaceBook

Jim -

Speaking of writing another facebook...have you seen this?


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html?dbk

Steven came across it somewhere.

Janet Erbach

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:36 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The FaceBook site is by far the largest single database in the  
> world. The
> amount of data that this organization moves daily is almost on an
> unimaginable scale.
>
> The interesting point is that all the software they use is open- 
> source.
> There are a number of fabulous packages they use.
>
> I had set up a site with Erlan a while back but simply ran out of  
> time (the
> curse of the working man) and space to get the product fully  
> operational and
> am now preparing to get a group project together to implement  
> Cassandra but
> not until this fall at the earliest... we are planning a business  
> around
> this implementation. I have already downloaded HipHop for PHP and  
> done some
> testing... I just do not have enough PHP code to really test this  
> app as
> what is faster than instantaneous...
>
> The following link is fascinating; with a list of software that you  
> too
> could use to create another FaceBook sized application or just build  
> a super
> fast website of your own:
>
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/06/18/the-software-behind-facebook/
>
> Check it out...
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun 23 07:58:33 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:58:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Evolution of the Mouse
Message-ID: <242426549EE24DD4949FC948528E6940@HAL9005>

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-435230.html?tag=nl.e099.dl
100623
<http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-435230.html?tag=nl.e099.d
l100623&tag=nl.e099> &tag=nl.e099

Interesting series of patents

 

Rocky

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 25 09:21:06 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:21:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Evolution of the Mouse
In-Reply-To: <242426549EE24DD4949FC948528E6940@HAL9005>
References: <242426549EE24DD4949FC948528E6940@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A2D02C12DC0D421BA250A389C85F11AE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is cool Rocky... good link(s).

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:59 AM
To: 'Off Topic'; List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Evolution of the Mouse

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-435230.html?tag=nl.e099.dl
100623
<http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-435230.html?tag=nl.e099.d
l100623&tag=nl.e099> &tag=nl.e099

Interesting series of patents

 

Rocky

 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 25 09:29:25 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:29:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Apple of the world (10 things.)
In-Reply-To: <242426549EE24DD4949FC948528E6940@HAL9005>
References: <242426549EE24DD4949FC948528E6940@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <747E3E13FAB44A81BB7E670E1923D57A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is a very neat article...."Why is Apple the Coolest Company in the
World?" Though obviously written from an Apple enthusiast's point of view,
it is a very full and interesting commentary on today's industry:

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/147/apple-nation.html

Jim



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 28 07:19:25 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:19:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] For audio: The Levelator
Message-ID: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Don't know if any of you produce podcasts or similar containing "the spoken word" but, in case you do, here is an excellent (and free!) tool for automatic control of loudness in such productions:

http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator 

<quote>
[it] adjusts the audio levels within your podcast or other audio file for variations from one speaker to the next, for example. It's not a compressor, normalizer or limiter although it contains all three. It's much more than those tools, and it's much simpler to use. 
The UI is dirt-simple: Drag-and-drop any WAV or AIFF file onto The Leveler's application window, and a few moments later you'll find a new version which just sounds better.
</quote>

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 28 11:35:50 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:35:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
In-Reply-To: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Even though the product is fully Open Source, Google, Microsoft, IBM and
Adobe are partners in the product's design.

The product is named Zend Framework; an open source, object-oriented web
application framework. What the product will allow you to do is to connect
and mange data from virtually any data source and across the web. 

Aside: It is written in PHP 5, and runs in conjunction with IIS or Apache.
(And if you have not done so already you can easily installs with the latest
version of PHP on your IIS server... Here is one link to the hundreds of
help links for installing PHP: 
http://www.wikihow.com/Install-PHP-5-for-IIS-6)


Zend Framework will support databases like MySQL, Oracle, IBM DB2, Microsoft
SQL Server, PostgreSQL, SQLite, and Informix Dynamic Server, to name but a
few data sources and supports flat database systems and memory files as well
Add to that email systems, using all the standard protocols like Maildir,
POP3 and IMAP4...

It even supports basic Cloud data; check out the following:
http://www.simplecloud.org/


Check it out: http://framework.zend.com/. 

There are instructing on how to set it up, where to get some IDEs to tweak
the code etc.

This could be the sole application all you web application developers will
need to connect your pretty FE with any BE Database or databases... One stop
shopping!

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 28 11:59:21 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:59:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] For audio: The Levelator
In-Reply-To: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <91438C139DFE4189BC00186E0101F377@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the heads up. I downloaded it right away but will have to put it
aside up I get my work done. ;-) Work just gets in the way of all my
distractions.

Great reference 
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:19 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] For audio: The Levelator

Hi all

Don't know if any of you produce podcasts or similar containing "the spoken
word" but, in case you do, here is an excellent (and free!) tool for
automatic control of loudness in such productions:

http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator 

<quote>
[it] adjusts the audio levels within your podcast or other audio file for
variations from one speaker to the next, for example. It's not a compressor,
normalizer or limiter although it contains all three. It's much more than
those tools, and it's much simpler to use. 
The UI is dirt-simple: Drag-and-drop any WAV or AIFF file onto The Leveler's
application window, and a few moments later you'll find a new version which
just sounds better.
</quote>

/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 28 12:04:07 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:04:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
In-Reply-To: <4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
	<4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <509A6D9566B845EF813B09264806F71E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

If you are thinking of taking a serious look at Zend Framework here is a
link to a little tutorial of how you would/could setup a medium sized
business using the product.

http://akrabat.com/zend-framework-tutorial/

Jim



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jun 28 16:33:05 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:33:05 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
In-Reply-To: <4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>,
	<4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4C291511.16335.18AF207C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just because I an feeling even more pedantic than usual this morning - maildir is a 
specification,but not a protocol <g>

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Jun 2010 at 9:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Add to that email systems, using all the standard protocols like Maildir,
> POP3 and IMAP4...



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 28 21:48:03 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:48:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
In-Reply-To: <4C291511.16335.18AF207C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>
	<4604B3642DB0443C97FC959D2DAE5E15@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4C291511.16335.18AF207C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6529D4E404514A148B3C5CA4902272FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You are being pedantic and yes, you are right. You did read it. :-)

So what do you think about the Zend Framework?

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework

Just because I an feeling even more pedantic than usual this morning -
maildir is a 
specification,but not a protocol <g>

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Jun 2010 at 9:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Add to that email systems, using all the standard protocols like Maildir,
> POP3 and IMAP4...

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jun 28 22:17:52 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:17:52 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
In-Reply-To: <6529D4E404514A148B3C5CA4902272FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sc28af90.012@cactus.dk>,
	<4C291511.16335.18AF207C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<6529D4E404514A148B3C5CA4902272FA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4C2965E0.15674.19EAC92F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm going to start playing with it when I get some time.  It looks promising.

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Jun 2010 at 19:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You are being pedantic and yes, you are right. You did read it. :-)
> 
> So what do you think about the Zend Framework?
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] An open source Middle tier Framework
> 
> Just because I an feeling even more pedantic than usual this morning -
> maildir is a 
> specification,but not a protocol <g>
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 28 Jun 2010 at 9:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Add to that email systems, using all the standard protocols like Maildir,
> > POP3 and IMAP4...
>