From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 03:47:58 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:47:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky,

I love Chrome so much that on my two current machines, I do not even have
FireFox installed.

Does everyone not use Chrome, if not why?  Compatibility problems?  Or just
personal preference?

Thanks

Mark


On 28 February 2010 20:00, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Firefox is a fix...
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> >Upgrading IE to IE8 on a PC running XP sp2, I got more than the usual
> >aliquot of Microsoft bugs and self-promoting pollution---I got an
> >anomaly I can't find a fix for, no home page button! Anybody know how
> >to fix that?
>
> Found an answer at
> http://www.nerdgrind.com/add-internet-explorer-8-home-page-button/.
>
> Apparently there's no fix for IE8 slowness. Thanks to Microsoft for not
> tempting me to increase my use of IE8.
>
> PB
>
>
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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Mon Mar  1 04:43:32 2010
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:43:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>
	<4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net><82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D347D7F546F54D4583B2DB5A9099F13A@s1800>

Me,
I avoid Google like hell for their obsession to save everything about 
everybody anytime eternally.

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8


> Hi Rocky,
>
> I love Chrome so much that on my two current machines, I do not even have
> FireFox installed.
>
> Does everyone not use Chrome, if not why?  Compatibility problems?  Or 
> just
> personal preference?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 28 February 2010 20:00, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
>> Firefox is a fix...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>>
>> >Upgrading IE to IE8 on a PC running XP sp2, I got more than the usual
>> >aliquot of Microsoft bugs and self-promoting pollution---I got an
>> >anomaly I can't find a fix for, no home page button! Anybody know how
>> >to fix that?
>>
>> Found an answer at
>> http://www.nerdgrind.com/add-internet-explorer-8-home-page-button/.
>>
>> Apparently there's no fix for IE8 slowness. Thanks to Microsoft for not
>> tempting me to increase my use of IE8.
>>
>> PB
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  1 05:02:28 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 03:02:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Chrome is the fastest loader but FF has the most tools and plugins and W3C
compliant which makes it the product of chose for anyone doing web
development.

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8

Hi Rocky,

I love Chrome so much that on my two current machines, I do not even have
FireFox installed.

Does everyone not use Chrome, if not why?  Compatibility problems?  Or just
personal preference?

Thanks

Mark


On 28 February 2010 20:00, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Firefox is a fix...
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> >Upgrading IE to IE8 on a PC running XP sp2, I got more than the usual
> >aliquot of Microsoft bugs and self-promoting pollution---I got an
> >anomaly I can't find a fix for, no home page button! Anybody know how
> >to fix that?
>
> Found an answer at
> http://www.nerdgrind.com/add-internet-explorer-8-home-page-button/.
>
> Apparently there's no fix for IE8 slowness. Thanks to Microsoft for not
> tempting me to increase my use of IE8.
>
> PB
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  1 08:18:56 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 06:18:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>
	<4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net><82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>

Inertia.  OK - I'll chrome today and see what's what.  How about Bing?
That's getting a lot of favorable reviews.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8

Hi Rocky,

I love Chrome so much that on my two current machines, I do not even have
FireFox installed.

Does everyone not use Chrome, if not why?  Compatibility problems?  Or just
personal preference?

Thanks

Mark


On 28 February 2010 20:00, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Firefox is a fix...
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Brawley
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> >Upgrading IE to IE8 on a PC running XP sp2, I got more than the usual 
> >aliquot of Microsoft bugs and self-promoting pollution---I got an 
> >anomaly I can't find a fix for, no home page button! Anybody know how 
> >to fix that?
>
> Found an answer at
> http://www.nerdgrind.com/add-internet-explorer-8-home-page-button/.
>
> Apparently there's no fix for IE8 slowness. Thanks to Microsoft for 
> not tempting me to increase my use of IE8.
>
> PB
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  1 11:31:05 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:31:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IDEs may be too much
In-Reply-To: <EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <163FA041BD3F488184AF8B82C8B08304@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Are we too dependant on IDEs? 

I do a variety of programming and still support some of the older command
like interfaces and sometimes them are quiet refreshing to work in... Isn't
that right Stuart? 

I have a large older client that their entire main application has been
carefully hand written. It runs super fast and when it fails we replace the
hardware. Their main POS application has been running 24x7 for over 20
years. The app does have a nice interface but once under the hood... it is
all hand coded. 

Here is an interesting link and the author writes to the question of IDEs:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/28/ides_versus_the_people

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  1 11:50:48 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:50:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10
In-Reply-To: <EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <422C1E59EC0C4744AE2CF820271B9467@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For all you geeks out there who dabble in Ubuntu Linux here is latest
version and it supports iPhone and iPod right out of the box...no
downloading tar-balls and compiling and patching and hacking and hours on
the forums:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/28/ubuntu-10-04-supports-iphone-and-ipo
d-touch-out-of-the-box

Oh, yes Ubuntu 10 (Lucid Lynx by name) is not ready for prime-time but very
soon... still at the Alpha stage but you can test it and see if you like it
without even having to install it. You can just run it from a CD/DVD, 32 and
64 bit and Desktop and Server versions are available:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3

Jim 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar  1 12:18:00 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:18:00 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10
In-Reply-To: <422C1E59EC0C4744AE2CF820271B9467@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>
	<4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net><82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005><c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com><EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<422C1E59EC0C4744AE2CF820271B9467@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <583C1B1ADDAE46A5A98A46B50E46539A@HAL9005>

Forwarded to Noah.  He abandoned Windows and loaded Ubuntu on his laptop.
Uses Open Office.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

For all you geeks out there who dabble in Ubuntu Linux here is latest
version and it supports iPhone and iPod right out of the box...no
downloading tar-balls and compiling and patching and hacking and hours on
the forums:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/28/ubuntu-10-04-supports-iphone-and-ipo
d-touch-out-of-the-box

Oh, yes Ubuntu 10 (Lucid Lynx by name) is not ready for prime-time but very
soon... still at the Alpha stage but you can test it and see if you like it
without even having to install it. You can just run it from a CD/DVD, 32 and
64 bit and Desktop and Server versions are available:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3

Jim 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 13:04:58 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:04:58 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10
In-Reply-To: <583C1B1ADDAE46A5A98A46B50E46539A@HAL9005>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net><4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net><82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005><c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com><EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com><422C1E59EC0C4744AE2CF820271B9467@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<583C1B1ADDAE46A5A98A46B50E46539A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <D57C32BC470C46659A90B2FD852C7348@Server>

So would be if it wasn't for Access.

MS is abandoning one of the few things that keep people tied to them.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 01 March 2010 18:18
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

Forwarded to Noah.  He abandoned Windows and loaded Ubuntu on his laptop.
Uses Open Office.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

For all you geeks out there who dabble in Ubuntu Linux here is latest
version and it supports iPhone and iPod right out of the box...no
downloading tar-balls and compiling and patching and hacking and hours on
the forums:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/28/ubuntu-10-04-supports-iphone-and-ipo
d-touch-out-of-the-box

Oh, yes Ubuntu 10 (Lucid Lynx by name) is not ready for prime-time but very
soon... still at the Alpha stage but you can test it and see if you like it
without even having to install it. You can just run it from a CD/DVD, 32 and
64 bit and Desktop and Server versions are available:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  1 13:32:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:32:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10
In-Reply-To: <D57C32BC470C46659A90B2FD852C7348@Server>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<EADCE64C9687460E89CCD1064BE4B0CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<422C1E59EC0C4744AE2CF820271B9467@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<583C1B1ADDAE46A5A98A46B50E46539A@HAL9005>
	<D57C32BC470C46659A90B2FD852C7348@Server>
Message-ID: <F05D063E99474203A5B57BCE8A0BCDF5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

But is not MS moving everyone to the VS and away from the now almost defunct
MS Access? Interestingly, as I understand it; I have not tried to deploy it
yet, that VS/.Net now runs in a Mono frame work:

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

I agree with you as my biggest current project is a MS Access one and I have
many clients using Access.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:05 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

So would be if it wasn't for Access.

MS is abandoning one of the few things that keep people tied to them.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 01 March 2010 18:18
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

Forwarded to Noah.  He abandoned Windows and loaded Ubuntu on his laptop.
Uses Open Office.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu 10

For all you geeks out there who dabble in Ubuntu Linux here is latest
version and it supports iPhone and iPod right out of the box...no
downloading tar-balls and compiling and patching and hacking and hours on
the forums:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/28/ubuntu-10-04-supports-iphone-and-ipo
d-touch-out-of-the-box

Oh, yes Ubuntu 10 (Lucid Lynx by name) is not ready for prime-time but very
soon... still at the Alpha stage but you can test it and see if you like it
without even having to install it. You can just run it from a CD/DVD, 32 and
64 bit and Desktop and Server versions are available:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3

Jim 

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 04:27:36 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:27:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net> <4B8AB420.70707@earthlink.net>
	<82D97D6777A74B2CA9D3A38C970BBCD5@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003010147p36860ef5oc9ce18efc5eb2d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com>

Haha Rocky,

I am a fan of Google because I like quick simple software.  I understand
Lembit's concerns but for what ever reason, perhaps I am careless, I do not
care what Google store on me, or alternately, I am happy to trade that for
almost 100% service from Google, almost 100% of the time.

On the other hand, my Brother-In-Law, who visits our house regularly, works
for Microsoft.  He is a nice guy, but I love to tease him by citing examples
of how bad Bing is.  I tell my kids - knowing they will repeat it back to
him - that Bing simply doesn't work.

On a serious note though, try bing and then try google, I never see what I
want in the top results in Bing and almost always get it on the nail in
Google.  Hard to argue with that.  I expecially love examples where I am
searching for MS products, I save those up to show Paul, my BIL, how google
is better at finding MS products that Bing is.  haha.

On another note, my kids asked me if you search for Google in the Google
search engine, would it break the internet?  I said that I was not sure but
it would be quite dangerous if it did bring down the whole internet.  Does
anyone here know if it would be safe ?

haha, and also, I just remembered that my MIL told my BIL that she wanted to
find bing but could not find it, so she searched for it on google.  haha,
that annoyed him :)


Mark


On 1 March 2010 14:18, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Inertia.  OK - I'll chrome today and see what's what.  How about Bing?
> That's getting a lot of favorable reviews.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:48 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> Hi Rocky,
>
> I love Chrome so much that on my two current machines, I do not even have
> FireFox installed.
>
> Does everyone not use Chrome, if not why?  Compatibility problems?  Or just
> personal preference?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 28 February 2010 20:00, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Firefox is a fix...
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> > Brawley
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
> >
> > >Upgrading IE to IE8 on a PC running XP sp2, I got more than the usual
> > >aliquot of Microsoft bugs and self-promoting pollution---I got an
> > >anomaly I can't find a fix for, no home page button! Anybody know how
> > >to fix that?
> >
> > Found an answer at
> > http://www.nerdgrind.com/add-internet-explorer-8-home-page-button/.
> >
> > Apparently there's no fix for IE8 slowness. Thanks to Microsoft for
> > not tempting me to increase my use of IE8.
> >
> > PB
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar  2 05:39:51 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:39:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>,
	<5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>,
	<c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B8CF907.31138.119B2B02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,020,000,000 for google. (0.17 seconds) 

Feel free to check out the first 2 billion or so results,  If you want to know what the last link is, 
it's here:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/lastpage.htm


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Mar 2010 at 10:27, Mark Breen wrote:

> On another note, my kids asked me if you search for Google in the Google
> search engine, would it break the internet?  I said that I was not sure but
> it would be quite dangerous if it did bring down the whole internet.  Does
> anyone here know if it would be safe ?



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  2 06:13:29 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 04:13:29 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <4B8CF907.31138.119B2B02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>
	<5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8CF907.31138.119B2B02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7584DA71E9824C008F0DD14A1F3EF57C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Well I guess that is the end of it... finally I can relax. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,020,000,000 for google. (0.17 seconds) 

Feel free to check out the first 2 billion or so results,  If you want to
know what the last link is, 
it's here:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/lastpage.htm


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Mar 2010 at 10:27, Mark Breen wrote:

> On another note, my kids asked me if you search for Google in the Google
> search engine, would it break the internet?  I said that I was not sure
but
> it would be quite dangerous if it did bring down the whole internet.  Does
> anyone here know if it would be safe ?

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 08:37:46 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:37:46 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <7584DA71E9824C008F0DD14A1F3EF57C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net><5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005><c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com><4B8CF907.31138.119B2B02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7584DA71E9824C008F0DD14A1F3EF57C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <780A616E47C34282B6ADC64454B305B3@Server>

Oops, sorry Jim.

Just posted some more pages...

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 March 2010 12:13
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8

Well I guess that is the end of it... finally I can relax. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,020,000,000 for google. (0.17 seconds) 

Feel free to check out the first 2 billion or so results,  If you want to
know what the last link is, it's here:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/lastpage.htm


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Mar 2010 at 10:27, Mark Breen wrote:

> On another note, my kids asked me if you search for Google in the Google
> search engine, would it break the internet?  I said that I was not sure
but
> it would be quite dangerous if it did bring down the whole internet.  Does
> anyone here know if it would be safe ?

_______________________________________________
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 02:51:17 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:51:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ie8
In-Reply-To: <780A616E47C34282B6ADC64454B305B3@Server>
References: <4B89958E.8090708@earthlink.net>
	<5ADA4E4E5B9F41B9A2CB4BECB7CF1EBD@HAL9005>
	<c7fd28d01003020227u1f0a0ee7wabbd808e41851fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8CF907.31138.119B2B02@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7584DA71E9824C008F0DD14A1F3EF57C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<780A616E47C34282B6ADC64454B305B3@Server>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d01003030051n461770e3v236ea93b60eeffd0@mail.gmail.com>

hahaha, absolutely Brilliant Max,

that is nearly as funny as last year when Rocky asked if you can buy
everything on the internet nowadays and Gary replied with "Yes, I just
checked"

Thanks for making me laugh Max and Jim,

Mark



On 2 March 2010 14:37, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oops, sorry Jim.
>
> Just posted some more pages...
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 02 March 2010 12:13
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> Well I guess that is the end of it... finally I can relax. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:40 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ie8
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 2,020,000,000 for google. (0.17 seconds)
>
> Feel free to check out the first 2 billion or so results,  If you want to
> know what the last link is, it's here:
> http://www.w3schools.com/html/lastpage.htm
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 2 Mar 2010 at 10:27, Mark Breen wrote:
>
> > On another note, my kids asked me if you search for Google in the Google
> > search engine, would it break the internet?  I said that I was not sure
> but
> > it would be quite dangerous if it did bring down the whole internet.
>  Does
> > anyone here know if it would be safe ?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 18:07:50 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:07:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] links on site
Message-ID: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>

Is there anyway to tell what sites a Web page links to? 

Susan H. 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar  3 23:33:11 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:33:11 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] links on site
In-Reply-To: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B8F4617.31658.1A9831F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Maybe  

If it's a plain HTML page, you can view the source and  parse out the links.  That's the way 
google etc crawl the net following links.  That is assuming they are real links and not links to 
othe PHP, ASP etc pages which do redirecting.

If it's a  PHP, ASP etc page, anything could be happening "under the hood" when you click on 
something in the page.

http://www.susanharkins.com is a classic example of links to .aspx pages.  There is no way 
to tell where they go without actually clicking on them.


-- 
Stuart

On 3 Mar 2010 at 19:07, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Is there anyway to tell what sites a Web page links to? 
> 
> Susan H. 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar  4 01:33:11 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:33:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] links on site
Message-ID: <sb8f7063.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Lots of tools out there. Just google on:

  extract links from page

This works for free for five lookups:

http://www.iwebtool.com/link_extractor 

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 04-03-2010 01:07 >>>
Is there anyway to tell what sites a Web page links to? 

Susan H. 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 10:49:49 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:49:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP developers
Message-ID: <52A54581F7104275A2D2A196CBD81A5C@SusanOne>

Any PHP developers looking for part-time freelance work? 

Susan H. 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 12:07:06 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:07:06 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] links on site
In-Reply-To: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>

If you hover over the link, the  address  will appear  in the status bar at
the bottom  left of the screen.

There are also many plugins which will notify you of phishing  sites etc.

Max

(ie8 anyway)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:08 AM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] links on site

Is there anyway to tell what sites a Web page links to? 

Susan H. 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  4 14:01:13 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:01:13 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>
	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>
Message-ID: <d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>

Microsoft is finally updating from its 2000 browser... IE 9 beta will be ready for download on March 19th....It is also starting to support HTML 5!

For details about the product check out the video link:?
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-First-look-at-the-new-JS-Engine

It still has a long way to go before it match Chrome performance but finally IE will be in the race.

If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your browser of choice and run the following link from SunSpider:?http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html

Jim


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  4 14:32:26 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:32:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>
	<d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B9018DA.70006@earthlink.net>

Jim

 > If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your 
browser of choice ...

LOL my latest installation of IE8 ran for a week before refusing to load 
any more pages. Typically, Microsoft "help" suggests the fault lies with 
other software (eg antivirus). Typically, that's not so.

Such crooks, Microsoft.

PB

-----

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Microsoft is finally updating from its 2000 browser... IE 9 beta will be ready for download on March 19th....It is also starting to support HTML 5!
>
> For details about the product check out the video link: 
> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-First-look-at-the-new-JS-Engine
>
> It still has a long way to go before it match Chrome performance but finally IE will be in the race.
>
> If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your browser of choice and run the following link from SunSpider: http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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>
>   


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  4 16:04:37 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:04:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>
	<d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B902E75.2040608@earthlink.net>

Jim

 > If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your 
browser of choice ...

LOL my latest installation of IE8 ran for a week before refusing to load 
any more pages. Typically, Microsoft "help" suggests the fault lies with 
other software (eg antivirus). Typically, that's not so. Such crooks, 
Microsoft.

PB

-----

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Microsoft is finally updating from its 2000 browser... IE 9 beta will be ready for download on March 19th....It is also starting to support HTML 5!
>
> For details about the product check out the video link: 
> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-First-look-at-the-new-JS-Engine
>
> It still has a long way to go before it match Chrome performance but finally IE will be in the race.
>
> If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your browser of choice and run the following link from SunSpider: http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>
>   


From bheid at sc.rr.com  Thu Mar  4 16:35:54 2010
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:35:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <4B9018DA.70006@earthlink.net>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>	<d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
	<4B9018DA.70006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501cabbeb$0d33aec0$279b0c40$@rr.com>

I have been running IE 8 on multiple PCs since it came out with no problems.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9

Jim

 > If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your 
browser of choice ...

LOL my latest installation of IE8 ran for a week before refusing to load 
any more pages. Typically, Microsoft "help" suggests the fault lies with 
other software (eg antivirus). Typically, that's not so.

Such crooks, Microsoft.

PB

-----




From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  4 18:15:59 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:15:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <001501cabbeb$0d33aec0$279b0c40$@rr.com>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>	<d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>	<4B9018DA.70006@earthlink.net>
	<001501cabbeb$0d33aec0$279b0c40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B904D3F.8020205@earthlink.net>

 > I have been running IE 8 on multiple PCs since it came out with no 
problems.

And if that were most everyone's experience, what I posted would be 
incorrect. Unfortunately MS software is designed mostly to sell other MS 
software, and the result is often unreliable software.

PB

----

Bobby Heid wrote:
> I have been running IE 8 on multiple PCs since it came out with no problems.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
>
> Jim
>
>  > If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your 
> browser of choice ...
>
> LOL my latest installation of IE8 ran for a week before refusing to load 
> any more pages. Typically, Microsoft "help" suggests the fault lies with 
> other software (eg antivirus). Typically, that's not so.
>
> Such crooks, Microsoft.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>
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>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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>
>   


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  4 19:10:35 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:10:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is updating IE to version 9
In-Reply-To: <d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
References: <62A595A7E1EB457CA2CB6BC2ADD1911B@SusanOne>	<9A2D964D03CC4C858CE054673BE2FD07@Server>
	<d09ac7a62fe40.4b8fa109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B905A0B.7080607@earthlink.net>

On my runs, Google Chrome is on average twice as fast as FireFox.

PB

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Microsoft is finally updating from its 2000 browser... IE 9 beta will be ready for download on March 19th....It is also starting to support HTML 5!
>
> For details about the product check out the video link: 
> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-First-look-at-the-new-JS-Engine
>
> It still has a long way to go before it match Chrome performance but finally IE will be in the race.
>
> If you want to test your browser's Java Script performance load your browser of choice and run the following link from SunSpider: http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 19:34:00
>
>   


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 08:57:49 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:57:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you show the day number in Outlook
Message-ID: <807FA9F3C6464A57B2B32CB09D698257@SusanOne>

I wrote a blog on displaying the week number (from the beginning of the 
year) in Outlook's Date Navigator -- it's just a simple setting.

Anyone know if you can do the same thing showing the day number -- for 
instance, February 1 would be day 32.

Susan H. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  5 11:30:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:30:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mole whackers
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCEAOGLAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <8CC89131D36DF47-5FB8-1166@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCEAOGLAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <83A5BAB9FAB24EAA8F0DA61D415B76CF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

As I think about Toyota's problems I seriously doubt whether they caused
them by being shoddy or too fast in their designing... I think they are
suffering from time honoured rule of programming which states that "There is
not one significant piece of programming code without one significant
programming error."

The following link describes programmers a 'Mole Whacker':
http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/bug-free-software-dream-554

As more and more cars hit the market with more high tech electronics expect
more weird anomalies occurring... Let the carnage and law suits continue.
;-)

Jim 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 13:21:11 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:21:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP developers
In-Reply-To: <52A54581F7104275A2D2A196CBD81A5C@SusanOne>
References: <52A54581F7104275A2D2A196CBD81A5C@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd1003081121g246b3e1fl652b8a00aad4574c@mail.gmail.com>

Sure! I'm in.

A.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any PHP developers looking for part-time freelance work?
>
> Susan H.
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 13:25:56 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:25:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost CDs etc.
Message-ID: <29f585dd1003081125u35c736f6ma5a81fca496b7053@mail.gmail.com>

I wish that various vendors would employ the various RFID technologies to
let me know where the hell my CD for Windows 2008 Server has gone! I can't
recall loaning it to anyone, and I have searched all the likely places
within my home, and I cannot find the bloody thing. Something I did recently
hosed the Windows Server 2008 bootup (in a dual-boot box) and now virtually
anything I do results immediately in a "Insufficient Memory" message.

In the absence of said boot disk, does anyone have any idea how to fix this?
While awaiting brilliant suggestions, I'll keep searching and re-searching
for said boot disk.

TIA,
Arthur


From jerbach at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 14:24:32 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:24:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost CDs etc.
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1003081125u35c736f6ma5a81fca496b7053@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1003081125u35c736f6ma5a81fca496b7053@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003081224jcbed917pb72f5e8c9d2e5d26@mail.gmail.com>

William Hindman pointed me to the sbs2k yahoo group for server issues...he
said it's a very good resource.  You could try them while the search is on:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sbs2k/

Good luck!

Janet Erbach

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I wish that various vendors would employ the various RFID technologies to
> let me know where the hell my CD for Windows 2008 Server has gone! I can't
> recall loaning it to anyone, and I have searched all the likely places
> within my home, and I cannot find the bloody thing. Something I did
> recently
> hosed the Windows Server 2008 bootup (in a dual-boot box) and now virtually
> anything I do results immediately in a "Insufficient Memory" message.
>
> In the absence of said boot disk, does anyone have any idea how to fix
> this?
> While awaiting brilliant suggestions, I'll keep searching and re-searching
> for said boot disk.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 14:37:25 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:37:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost CDs etc.
In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1003081224jcbed917pb72f5e8c9d2e5d26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1003081125u35c736f6ma5a81fca496b7053@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003081224jcbed917pb72f5e8c9d2e5d26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd1003081237s67a4b125h2840cb97aed77a48@mail.gmail.com>

I did manage to locate an eval version of SBS2k8 in my disk set. Do you
think it's possible to install this atop/overwrite my existing winserver2k8
installation? It's a 180-day eval so that would get me over the hump in the
short term.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Janet Erbach <jerbach at gmail.com> wrote:

> William Hindman pointed me to the sbs2k yahoo group for server issues...he
> said it's a very good resource.  You could try them while the search is on:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sbs2k/
>
> Good luck!
>
> Janet Erbach
>


From jerbach at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 14:54:51 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:54:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost CDs etc.
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1003081237s67a4b125h2840cb97aed77a48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1003081125u35c736f6ma5a81fca496b7053@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003081224jcbed917pb72f5e8c9d2e5d26@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd1003081237s67a4b125h2840cb97aed77a48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003081254t2f867b9eh9c550bf56767e02@mail.gmail.com>

If the eval is fully functional, I don't know why you couldn't.  If you can
locate your registration # (i.e. if you have it recorded somewhere other
than the sticker on the install disk) you might be able to activate your
eval version into the 'real' thing right away.

Janet

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I did manage to locate an eval version of SBS2k8 in my disk set. Do you
> think it's possible to install this atop/overwrite my existing winserver2k8
> installation? It's a 180-day eval so that would get me over the hump in the
> short term.
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Janet Erbach <jerbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > William Hindman pointed me to the sbs2k yahoo group for server
> issues...he
> > said it's a very good resource.  You could try them while the search is
> on:
> >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sbs2k/
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Janet Erbach
> >
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>


From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 08:51:19 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:51:19 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE8 or Windows 7
Message-ID: <4b97b0de.5544f10a.0584.0ef7@mx.google.com>

Has anyone else had trouble with IE8 or Windows 7 deleting your saved user
name and passwords?  I use My Yahoo as my home page and every so often, I
need to re-enter my information.  I realize that some pages automatically
clear your information and this is not what is happening to me.  I have
re-entered my information, clicked on 'keep me logged in for X weeks', etc,
and 5 - 10 minutes later I have to do it all over again.

Any ideas on what I can do to stop this from happening?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 



From jerbach at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 09:02:33 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:02:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE8 or Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4b97b0de.5544f10a.0584.0ef7@mx.google.com>
References: <4b97b0de.5544f10a.0584.0ef7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003100702r2e8965a2uf23ed2f1e72f269@mail.gmail.com>

That's interesting - now that you mention it, there are several web sites I
visit regularly that 'refuse' to remember my login info even though I've
checked the 'remember me' box time and time again.  It never occured to me
that IE8 might be the culprit...if there's a fix for this type of thing I'll
be interested too.

Janet Erbach
IT Administrator
Natural Healthy Concepts

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone else had trouble with IE8 or Windows 7 deleting your saved user
> name and passwords?  I use My Yahoo as my home page and every so often, I
> need to re-enter my information.  I realize that some pages automatically
> clear your information and this is not what is happening to me.  I have
> re-entered my information, clicked on 'keep me logged in for X weeks', etc,
> and 5 - 10 minutes later I have to do it all over again.
>
> Any ideas on what I can do to stop this from happening?
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Mar 10 09:06:30 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:06:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE8 or Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1003100702r2e8965a2uf23ed2f1e72f269@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b97b0de.5544f10a.0584.0ef7@mx.google.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003100702r2e8965a2uf23ed2f1e72f269@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C74C00992@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Actually, now you mention it, I've got a similar issue - I have a couple of sites that remember my username, but refuse to atuomatically enter the password. There was an update recently that made it work for a day or two last month, but then it's reverted to type and doesn't any more. I'm using IE8 and XP SP3...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE8 or Windows 7

That's interesting - now that you mention it, there are several web sites I visit regularly that 'refuse' to remember my login info even though I've checked the 'remember me' box time and time again.  It never occured to me that IE8 might be the culprit...if there's a fix for this type of thing I'll be interested too.

Janet Erbach
IT Administrator
Natural Healthy Concepts

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone else had trouble with IE8 or Windows 7 deleting your saved
> user name and passwords?  I use My Yahoo as my home page and every so
> often, I need to re-enter my information.  I realize that some pages
> automatically clear your information and this is not what is happening
> to me.  I have re-entered my information, clicked on 'keep me logged
> in for X weeks', etc, and 5 - 10 minutes later I have to do it all over again.
>
> Any ideas on what I can do to stop this from happening?
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 08:32:33 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:32:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook interface is too small
Message-ID: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>

I got an email this morning from a some-time client -- one of the agents has 
a new computer and Outlook's interface is really small. I told her about 
Ctrl+Scroll Wheel, which helps her for now.

I'm going to stop in at lunch and take a look -- but she says everything 
else is normal, it's just Outlook. It could be as simple as resetting the 
resolution, but if everything else looks right to her, that might not be the 
right thing to do.

Anyone seen this before?

Susan H. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 12 10:05:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:05:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again
In-Reply-To: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>

There is now a fundimental change in the hard drive industry. The new
technology is going to change the sectors size from 512 to 4096. All the
newer OSs are aware of this change but XP is not... so if a hard drive fails
you might just be out of luck.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8557144.stm

Jim 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 12 10:21:31 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:21:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again
In-Reply-To: <C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
	<C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>

****************************
To help Windows XP cope, advanced format drives will be able to pretend they
still use sectors 512 bytes in size. 

"All other things being equal you will have a noticeable hard drive
reduction in performance," said Mr Burks, adding that, in some
circumstances, it could make a drive 10% slower.  
****************************

I can live with that.  Until W7 SP3 when they make it REALLY work with
Access. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again

There is now a fundimental change in the hard drive industry. The new
technology is going to change the sectors size from 512 to 4096. All the
newer OSs are aware of this change but XP is not... so if a hard drive fails
you might just be out of luck.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8557144.stm

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 12 11:12:57 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again
In-Reply-To: <386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
	<C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Then you have to ask yourself... will Access still work? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:22 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again

****************************
To help Windows XP cope, advanced format drives will be able to pretend they
still use sectors 512 bytes in size. 

"All other things being equal you will have a noticeable hard drive
reduction in performance," said Mr Burks, adding that, in some
circumstances, it could make a drive 10% slower.  
****************************

I can live with that.  Until W7 SP3 when they make it REALLY work with
Access. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you are holding on to your XP...think again

There is now a fundimental change in the hard drive industry. The new
technology is going to change the sectors size from 512 to 4096. All the
newer OSs are aware of this change but XP is not... so if a hard drive fails
you might just be out of luck.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8557144.stm

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 15 12:29:20 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:29:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office free on the web
In-Reply-To: <ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
	<C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
	<ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It looks like Microsoft Office products will be free on the web, at least
Word, Excel and Powerpoint if you have a Windows Live account

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/enterprise/word-excel-powerpoint--free-o
n-the-web-20100315-q7g7.html

They are going head to head with Google and many of the other similar web
products which have been slowly growing in popularity and use. 

So it looks like the web is finally here when the number one desktop is
moving to the web.
 
Jim 



From jerbach at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 14:49:45 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:49:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office free on the web
In-Reply-To: <1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
	<C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
	<ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003151249o3edcb7edt13282c1ae9a48a2c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that, Jim.  That makes me feel better about all those times I
re-used my installation id over and over (and over) again to set up Word and
Excel when we went through a business growth spurt...;)

Janet erbach


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It looks like Microsoft Office products will be free on the web, at least
> Word, Excel and Powerpoint if you have a Windows Live account
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/enterprise/word-excel-powerpoint--free-o
> n-the-web-20100315-q7g7.html
>
> They are going head to head with Google and many of the other similar web
> products which have been slowly growing in popularity and use.
>
> So it looks like the web is finally here when the number one desktop is
> moving to the web.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 15 15:42:39 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:42:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 or not?
In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1003151249o3edcb7edt13282c1ae9a48a2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne>
	<C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
	<ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003151249o3edcb7edt13282c1ae9a48a2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB81F86B221144DCA573856410F6697E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The quandary of whether to rely on Windows 7 or not is going on in many
offices.

The other day I sat in on a round table discussion, at a client's, on
whether the desktop machines should be moved to Windows 7 or is there
alternatives. This was not a small client as their scope covers the entire
country and their installed base is 100K or more. In the last 8 years they
have moved from a Windows back end to a Linux/Unix one and now they are
discussion whether the desktop should be next.

I am of two minds on this. 

Here is a commentary from the senior editor of TechRepublic on that exact
subject: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3917&tag=nl.e101

Jim



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Mar 15 16:41:33 2010
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:41:33 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 or not?
In-Reply-To: <FB81F86B221144DCA573856410F6697E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne><C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com><386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005><ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com><1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com><6ef6ac2c1003151249o3edcb7edt13282c1ae9a48a2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB81F86B221144DCA573856410F6697E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7318B6154D634BDA86B58692570F9D6F@jt2c>

We're going Windows 7 when we roll out our next batch of Laptops in June,
and the next batch of desktops in August. I've already got it on my desktop
at work (Lenovo M57, 2x2.33 ghz, 2gb ram) and it's running pretty smoothly.
The only thing I really can't stand about it is that the standard text size
for the Windows font is bigger than XP, so you can't fit as much on your
screen... And you can make it bigger, but no smaller.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 15 March 2010 20:43
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 or not?

The quandary of whether to rely on Windows 7 or not is going on in many
offices.

The other day I sat in on a round table discussion, at a client's, on
whether the desktop machines should be moved to Windows 7 or is there
alternatives. This was not a small client as their scope covers the entire
country and their installed base is 100K or more. In the last 8 years they
have moved from a Windows back end to a Linux/Unix one and now they are
discussion whether the desktop should be next.

I am of two minds on this. 

Here is a commentary from the senior editor of TechRepublic on that exact
subject: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3917&tag=nl.e101

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 21:48:44 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:48:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 or not?
In-Reply-To: <FB81F86B221144DCA573856410F6697E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <C5ADF0D0F8C441E3A35FB8C06653EC24@SusanOne><C27E7531949D46DFB5DC3A1FBE543510@creativesystemdesigns.com><386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005><ECE20DC2C26F4565930137FF7BACCBC8@creativesystemdesigns.com><1452618E950A4807B1AD46D347BB4DDE@creativesystemdesigns.com><6ef6ac2c1003151249o3edcb7edt13282c1ae9a48a2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB81F86B221144DCA573856410F6697E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <B5FC6AF509614A33889D416F7188F733@Server>

If I were making that decision I would err on the side of where the
knowledge of my Support Staff lay.  Fire fighting with relatively new Oss
for that many Seats if not something to contemplate.  If you really wanted
an alternative OS then, as you point out, go virtual but leave the
underlying  OS where the  knowledge lies.

As Charlotte points out elsewhere on the List, the upfront language is of
relative insignigicance as  it compiles down to CLR
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms131102.aspx
 
Similarly, once your OS  has loaded it is a  matter of  extreme indifference
to your users what lies behind the desktop, only that it is stable and
supported.

Personally, I would say Win 7 and not one of the myriad of  "me too" Oss out
there.

Max


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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 or not?

The quandary of whether to rely on Windows 7 or not is going on in many
offices.

The other day I sat in on a round table discussion, at a client's, on
whether the desktop machines should be moved to Windows 7 or is there
alternatives. This was not a small client as their scope covers the entire
country and their installed base is 100K or more. In the last 8 years they
have moved from a Windows back end to a Linux/Unix one and now they are
discussion whether the desktop should be next.

I am of two minds on this. 

Here is a commentary from the senior editor of TechRepublic on that exact
subject: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3917&tag=nl.e101

Jim

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 16 08:36:12 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:36:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Hi all

I know how to map a drive in a login script, but does anyone know if it's possible to map drives with alternate credentials? If so, how would I do it? It's for a Windows environment...

Thanks


Jon



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IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
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Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Mar 16 08:48:42 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:48:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

See here...

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/net_use.mspx?mfr=true

If looks like you need to add /user:someuser and add an asterisk after the volume name to get a password prompt.

Lambert 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:36 AM
To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

Hi all

I know how to map a drive in a login script, but does anyone know if it's possible to map drives with alternate credentials? If so, how would I do it? It's for a Windows environment...

Thanks


Jon



Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 16 08:51:13 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:51:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AEAB@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Thanks Lambert... now why didn't that come up when I was googling for it?


Jon

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 16 March 2010 13:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

See here...

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/net_use.mspx?mfr=true

If looks like you need to add /user:someuser and add an asterisk after the volume name to get a password prompt.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:36 AM
To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

Hi all

I know how to map a drive in a login script, but does anyone know if it's possible to map drives with alternate credentials? If so, how would I do it? It's for a Windows environment...

Thanks


Jon



Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Mar 16 12:20:02 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:20:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AEAB@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AEAB@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3EAD@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

My search term on Google was "net use command" and the MS link was first up.

Lambert 

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

Thanks Lambert... now why didn't that come up when I was googling for it?


Jon

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Sent: 16 March 2010 13:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

See here...

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/net_use.mspx?mfr=true

If looks like you need to add /user:someuser and add an asterisk after the volume name to get a password prompt.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:36 AM
To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Login Scripts

Hi all

I know how to map a drive in a login script, but does anyone know if it's possible to map drives with alternate credentials? If so, how would I do it? It's for a Windows environment...

Thanks


Jon



Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
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Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 12:41:55 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:41:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS GP (formerly Great Plains)
Message-ID: <29f585dd1003171041y14742403i32d611b1df95124c@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone use this software? I have an opportunity for a short-term
contract to write some custom reports from its database. IIRC, back before
MS bought it, GP was written against a Btrieve back end. I'm assuming that
after the acquisition, the BE was replaced with some version of SQL Server.
I've been cruising the GP site, but so far have not stumbled upon an answer
to this question. My guess is that prior to the MS acquisition SQL Server
was not the BE, but at some point it became the BE, replacing Btrieve or
whatever was the original BE.

Can anyone verify or refute my suppositions? Any info or links much
appreciated. I would love to get this gig, not least because it's in the
same building as my residence, so it's a one-floor elevator ride to go to
work LOL.

Arthur


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 17 13:14:14 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:14:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS GP (formerly Great Plains)
Message-ID: <sba12a28.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

I haven't (GP is not used here) but it seems that you are right:

  http://www.download3k.com/Press-Great-Plains-Support-on-MSDE-and-SQL-Express.html 

Also, many reporting options are possible:

  http://www.download3k.com/Press-Great-Plains-Reports-Design-Crystal-SRS-MS.html 

including Microsoft SQL Server Reporting Services which you (can) create in Visual Studio (here we go again). If you are not familiar with this, you could use this opportunity to be so - I think you will like it.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 17-03-2010 18:41 >>>
Does anyone use this software? I have an opportunity for a short-term
contract to write some custom reports from its database. IIRC, back before
MS bought it, GP was written against a Btrieve back end. I'm assuming that
after the acquisition, the BE was replaced with some version of SQL Server.
I've been cruising the GP site, but so far have not stumbled upon an answer
to this question. My guess is that prior to the MS acquisition SQL Server
was not the BE, but at some point it became the BE, replacing Btrieve or
whatever was the original BE.

Can anyone verify or refute my suppositions? Any info or links much
appreciated. I would love to get this gig, not least because it's in the
same building as my residence, so it's a one-floor elevator ride to go to
work LOL.

Arthur




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Mar 17 14:37:51 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:37:51 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS GP (formerly Great Plains)
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1003171041y14742403i32d611b1df95124c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1003171041y14742403i32d611b1df95124c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469BC68319@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

This any help

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms994230.aspx

Martin


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Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller [fuller.artful at gmail.com]
Sent: 17 March 2010 17:41
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS GP (formerly Great Plains)

Does anyone use this software? I have an opportunity for a short-term
contract to write some custom reports from its database. IIRC, back before
MS bought it, GP was written against a Btrieve back end. I'm assuming that
after the acquisition, the BE was replaced with some version of SQL Server.
I've been cruising the GP site, but so far have not stumbled upon an answer
to this question. My guess is that prior to the MS acquisition SQL Server
was not the BE, but at some point it became the BE, replacing Btrieve or
whatever was the original BE.

Can anyone verify or refute my suppositions? Any info or links much
appreciated. I would love to get this gig, not least because it's in the
same building as my residence, so it's a one-floor elevator ride to go to
work LOL.

Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 18 02:06:05 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:06:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free UML tool
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is a link to a complete UML graphic tool, free for non commercial uses:

http://www.visual-paradigm.com/solution/freeumltool/?src=google&kw=uml%20dep
loyment%20diagram

Jim



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 04:17:01 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:17:01 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free UML tool
In-Reply-To: <8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <78D245E2EDB8479EA3FDECA52154D1F4@Server>

Great link Jim,

I have sent that on to a few  people.  Tons of stuff there.

Max
 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free UML tool

Here is a link to a complete UML graphic tool, free for non commercial uses:

http://www.visual-paradigm.com/solution/freeumltool/?src=google&kw=uml%20dep
loyment%20diagram

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 18 12:24:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:24:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] TV delivered via our internet
In-Reply-To: <8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FD4F927B0D5D4F04B9DB296786FB5B44@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It looks as though Google is making a play to be the delivery provider of
the TV industry. It is not just Google but an Intel and Sony coalition.
Google's open-source Android OS will be the platform.... (This could be yet
another challenge for Microsoft's dominance of the desktop?) 

So it might be soon that we can watch any or all entertainment via our PCs.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-google-plans-to-take-over-the-tv-business
-2010-3

Jim



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 12:44:33 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:44:33 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] TV delivered via our internet
In-Reply-To: <FD4F927B0D5D4F04B9DB296786FB5B44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320C7874AE89@chvex03.lonzagroup.net><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E838B3DFC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><8DC80B0346F048828FE4D87D609BACDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FD4F927B0D5D4F04B9DB296786FB5B44@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <E13794CFC6DD4C29BADB369973973505@Server>


Well that's ok. I have already moved my PC onto my TV so my PC screen is
doing nothing...

Let's all swap..

Max
 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] TV delivered via our internet

It looks as though Google is making a play to be the delivery provider of
the TV industry. It is not just Google but an Intel and Sony coalition.
Google's open-source Android OS will be the platform.... (This could be yet
another challenge for Microsoft's dominance of the desktop?) 

So it might be soon that we can watch any or all entertainment via our PCs.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-google-plans-to-take-over-the-tv-business
-2010-3

Jim

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 12:59:30 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:59:30 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com>
	<39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 18 13:38:08 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:38:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com>	<39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com>
	<627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
Message-ID: <007001cac6ca$31e97f80$95bc7e80$@net>

I believe the catch is that it no longer supports some of the older versions
of Windows - like win98, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 13:43:41 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:43:41 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <007001cac6ca$31e97f80$95bc7e80$@net>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com>	<39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com><627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
	<007001cac6ca$31e97f80$95bc7e80$@net>
Message-ID: <85396E53345D4A778E880F2F1340D1A6@Server>


Thanks John,

That is not a concern in  my case..anything else?

Thanks

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:38 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I believe the catch is that it no longer supports some of the older versions
of Windows - like win98, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:00 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 18 14:49:55 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:49:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com>
	<39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com>
	<627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
Message-ID: <8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 

Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 15:30:19 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:30:19 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com><4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com><39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com><627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
	<8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <14396CABBA54421390876B0CD16A89ED@Server>


Seems like I am getting nowhere fast.

Win 7 virutal PC requires Prof, Ultimate etc. I have Home Edition.

Sun Virtual box is for x86 architecture.

Any other  alternatives Jim?

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 

Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 16:03:59 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:03:59 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com><4b7f19c6.1c07d00a.3ed7.4601@mx.google.com><39cb22f31002200523i44f9024dxced0cf6dcf670a94@mail.gmail.com><627C0628F83E42AF9BD446072A052B45@Server>
	<8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>

Ha.
I was confusing myself there Jim. 
I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS from my
pre-installed software.
Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have aleady
paid for this one?

Any thoughts>

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 

Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 18 18:06:25 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:06:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>
Message-ID: <4BA2B1F1.16378.1D3573C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You will need an installation disk for whatever OS you want to put on a virtual machine. 

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:03, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Ha.
> I was confusing myself there Jim. 
> I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS from my
> pre-installed software.
> Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have aleady
> paid for this one?
> 
> Any thoughts>
> 
> Max
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
> assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
> disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
> redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 
> 
> Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
> around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
> prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.
> 
> It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.
> 
> So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
> another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc
> 
> Am I reading this right or is there a catch?
> 
> ALL thoughs most appreciated.
> 
> Max
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 18:39:42 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:39:42 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <4BA2B1F1.16378.1D3573C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>
	<4BA2B1F1.16378.1D3573C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4865AA5986D447CF96B1CAB0279E4B4B@Server>


Hmmphh. Not what I was hoping to hear.

If I have a  legit OS on this machine why can I not  run an  application on
it?
That is all a Vbox is is another application. I don't need another  OS if I
want to run an emulator or similar..  I can download tons of emulators and
play DOS/windows games/etc, etc as  much  as  I want without having to
install another OS

Just another way  to coin the money...I detect  Ubunto coming my way...and
bye bye MS.

Thanks anyway for replying Stuart.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

You will need an installation disk for whatever OS you want to put on a
virtual machine. 

--
Stuart

On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:03, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Ha.
> I was confusing myself there Jim. 
> I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS 
> from my pre-installed software.
> Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have 
> aleady paid for this one?
> 
> Any thoughts>
> 
> Max
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest 
> you assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean 
> total disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a 
> reliable redundant system was (still is) a real challenge.
> 
> Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved 
> around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max 
> Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought 
> it prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.
> 
> It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.
> 
> So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and 
> another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc
> 
> Am I reading this right or is there a catch?
> 
> ALL thoughs most appreciated.
> 
> Max
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Mar 18 19:07:17 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:07:17 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <4865AA5986D447CF96B1CAB0279E4B4B@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4BA2B1F1.16378.1D3573C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4865AA5986D447CF96B1CAB0279E4B4B@Server>
Message-ID: <4BA2C035.14306.1D6D2DFC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No, a VBox is not another application, nor is it an emulator.  

It is a "virtual" computer. When you create a new  virtual machine, it is just like a newly 
bought computer without an operating system.  Do you have the instal disk for your legit OS?  
If so, use that to create one VM.  Once you have done a basic instal of an OS once, you can 
clone that machine as many times as you want.

If you want to check out Ubuntu,  create a new VM and instal Ubuntu on it :-)

-- 
Stuart 



On 18 Mar 2010 at 23:39, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> 
> Hmmphh. Not what I was hoping to hear.
> 
> If I have a  legit OS on this machine why can I not  run an  application on
> it?
> That is all a Vbox is is another application. I don't need another  OS if I
> want to run an emulator or similar..  I can download tons of emulators and
> play DOS/windows games/etc, etc as  much  as  I want without having to
> install another OS
> 
> Just another way  to coin the money...I detect  Ubunto coming my way...and
> bye bye MS.
> 
> Thanks anyway for replying Stuart.
> 
> Max
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> You will need an installation disk for whatever OS you want to put on a
> virtual machine. 
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:03, Max Wanadoo wrote:
> 
> > Ha.
> > I was confusing myself there Jim. 
> > I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS 
> > from my pre-installed software.
> > Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have 
> > aleady paid for this one?
> > 
> > Any thoughts>
> > 
> > Max
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> > Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> > 
> > I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest 
> > you assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean 
> > total disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a 
> > reliable redundant system was (still is) a real challenge.
> > 
> > Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved 
> > around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max 
> > Wanadoo
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> > 
> > I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought 
> > it prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.
> > 
> > It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.
> > 
> > So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and 
> > another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc
> > 
> > Am I reading this right or is there a catch?
> > 
> > ALL thoughs most appreciated.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Thu Mar 18 19:19:22 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:19:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <4865AA5986D447CF96B1CAB0279E4B4B@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8578CB1D9CFF4CE9A1B9BDD2B8F1C479@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server><4BA2B1F1.16378.1D3573C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4865AA5986D447CF96B1CAB0279E4B4B@Server>
Message-ID: <DD7FD2672A56434094A7E2A78A2A6AFC@BPCS>

Max,

I have read that if you have or use Acronis to create backup images you can 
convert the TIB (Acronis backup file) to a VHD file which is a virtual 
machine.

I haven't tried this yet but probably will at some point as I use Acronis to 
backup all my machines.


This URL tells how it is supposed to work
http://kb.acronis.com/content/3499

HTH

Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:39 PM
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007


Hmmphh. Not what I was hoping to hear.

If I have a  legit OS on this machine why can I not  run an  application on
it?
That is all a Vbox is is another application. I don't need another  OS if I
want to run an emulator or similar..  I can download tons of emulators and
play DOS/windows games/etc, etc as  much  as  I want without having to
install another OS

Just another way  to coin the money...I detect  Ubunto coming my way...and
bye bye MS.

Thanks anyway for replying Stuart.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

You will need an installation disk for whatever OS you want to put on a
virtual machine.

--
Stuart

On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:03, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Ha.
> I was confusing myself there Jim.
> I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS
> from my pre-installed software.
> Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have
> aleady paid for this one?
>
> Any thoughts>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
>
> I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest
> you assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean
> total disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a
> reliable redundant system was (still is) a real challenge.
>
> Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
> around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max
> Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
>
> I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought
> it prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.
>
> It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.
>
> So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
> another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc
>
> Am I reading this right or is there a catch?
>
> ALL thoughs most appreciated.
>
> Max
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 18 21:24:29 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:24:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
In-Reply-To: <7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>
References: <39cb22f31002191436v40159930la46bb6e13e2735de@mail.gmail.com>
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	<7974666105C842D7ADB94C228759C325@Server>
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Hi Max:

Here is a piece of software from VMWare that will create a physical drive to
a Virtual file: http://www.vmware.com/products/converter

And doing the same with VirtualBox:
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows

You will have to get the MergeIDE file:
http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Migrate_Windows/MergeIDE.zip
Windows memorizes which IDE/ATA controller it was installed on and fails to
boot in case the controller changes. The above app fixes that issue.

HTH
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

Ha.
I was confusing myself there Jim. 
I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS from my
pre-installed software.
Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have aleady
paid for this one?

Any thoughts>

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 

Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007

I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.

It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.

So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc

Am I reading this right or is there a catch?

ALL thoughs most appreciated.

Max

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 19 10:07:14 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:07:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
Message-ID: <sba3a136.048@cactus.dk>

Hi Max and Stuart

Except if you dowload and install the free "Windows XP Mode":

  http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx 

or for that matter any other ready-cooked virtual machine called a "virtual appliance".

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-03-2010 00:06 >>>
You will need an installation disk for whatever OS you want to put on a virtual machine. 

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:03, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Ha.
> I was confusing myself there Jim. 
> I have now installed the Sun virtual box but it didn't take the OS from my
> pre-installed software.
> Surely I don't have to go buy another version of my OS  when I have aleady
> paid for this one?
> 
> Any thoughts>
> 
> Max
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I suppose you have a Terabyte drive(s) or larger... I would suggest you
> assemble more computers as one major screw up on any OS would mean total
> disaster. I have 5 servers and a bunch of PCs and building a reliable
> redundant system was (still is) a real challenge. 
> 
> Virtual PC/Servers are a good alternative as the virtuals can be moved
> around...but they are slower than dedicated systems.  
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual PC 2007
> 
> I am just on the point of installing this on my Win 7 PC but thought it
> prudent to see if you guys have any thoughts one way or the other.
> 
> It says "multiple OS" and come pre-figures with XP.
> 
> So, presumably I can use the XP one AND install another for Vista and
> another for Win 7 and another for O2k3 and another for O2k7 etc
> 
> Am I reading this right or is there a catch?
> 
> ALL thoughs most appreciated.
> 
> Max




From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Mar 19 11:32:11 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:32:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to 800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 11:40:05 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:40:05 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <A3685871A5C744DE9E5724468C3C27DC@Server>

Mine came pre-installed but it is Englaise (United Kingdom).

And that appears in the Formats under  Control Panel as well.

They also have language packs for places like Manitoba, N.Carolina, Florida,
etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't
available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our
corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in
the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at
changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can
handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or
Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to
800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL
complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than
useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 19 11:50:55 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:50:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <9A175195CBD34F2F8A283645CF9EDF37@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I can commensurate about your problems. We too have hundreds of installs
with a sorts of spelling and grammerical errors.

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't
available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our
corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in
the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at
changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can
handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or
Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to
800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL
complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than
useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 19 11:55:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:55:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A3685871A5C744DE9E5724468C3C27DC@Server>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<A3685871A5C744DE9E5724468C3C27DC@Server>
Message-ID: <1D2AA88499584D37BBF7215811C9AC24@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Yes they do but the dictionaries are much smaller. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Mine came pre-installed but it is Englaise (United Kingdom).

And that appears in the Formats under  Control Panel as well.

They also have language packs for places like Manitoba, N.Carolina, Florida,
etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't
available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our
corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in
the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at
changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can
handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or
Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to
800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL
complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than
useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Mar 19 12:10:52 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:10:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A3685871A5C744DE9E5724468C3C27DC@Server>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
	<A3685871A5C744DE9E5724468C3C27DC@Server>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3F32@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

So when you open control panel, do you have the category for "Personalisation" or "Personalization"?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 19 March 2010 16:40
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Mine came pre-installed but it is Englaise (United Kingdom).

And that appears in the Formats under  Control Panel as well.

They also have language packs for places like Manitoba, N.Carolina, Florida, etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to 800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 12:16:46 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:16:46 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3F32@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
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Message-ID: <C2138995DAFD4C078C71AF11768A1BAF@Server>


If I r/click on desktop I get "Pesonalize". I then click on Control Panel
and on "...Region" etc and it defaults to English so that must have been
selected by whoever installed it.

Also in the control panel, again it is spelled "Appearance and
PersonaliZation" so that may be embedded in the OS.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

So when you open control panel, do you have the category for
"Personalisation" or "Personalization"?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 19 March 2010 16:40
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Mine came pre-installed but it is Englaise (United Kingdom).

And that appears in the Formats under  Control Panel as well.

They also have language packs for places like Manitoba, N.Carolina, Florida,
etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't
available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our
corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in
the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at
changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can
handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or
Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to
800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL
complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than
useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Mar 19 12:22:17 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:22:17 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
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Oh, so what you're saying is that if everything is set to UK English, then I have the UK Language pack, and Microsoft simply haven't bothered to make it affect the actual OS?

Yet they're happy to go to the bother of writing one for Sanskrit, Latin and Semaphore?

Amazes me, it really does...

Anyway, time I was out of here. Good weekend all :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 19 March 2010 17:17
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"


If I r/click on desktop I get "Pesonalize". I then click on Control Panel and on "...Region" etc and it defaults to English so that must have been selected by whoever installed it.

Also in the control panel, again it is spelled "Appearance and PersonaliZation" so that may be embedded in the OS.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

So when you open control panel, do you have the category for "Personalisation" or "Personalization"?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 19 March 2010 16:40
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Mine came pre-installed but it is Englaise (United Kingdom).

And that appears in the Formats under  Control Panel as well.

They also have language packs for places like Manitoba, N.Carolina, Florida, etc.

Max


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to 800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
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Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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http://www.lonza.com



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 19 14:50:06 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:50:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6320E110D3EEA@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
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'bout time you all conformed ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 language packs - "en-GB where are you?"

Hi all

Does anyone know if you can install Windows 7 with UK English? It wasn't
available on our build, but we all thought that was a vaguery of our
corporate install system, but UK English doesn't appear to be available in
the language settings... this means I'll be stuck with having to look at
changing my "color" and "personalization" forever, and I'm not sure I can
handle it!!

Apparently I can install it in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, even Hindi or
Cuneiform but not UK English...

It's not just that it's annoying me, we're going to be rolling this out to
800 users in the next couple of months, and I don't want them ALL
complaining at me!

I have checked on google and microsoft.com, but they're somewhat less than
useful...


Jon


Jon Tydda MCP
IT Support Analyst

Lonza Biologics PLC
228 Bath Road
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 4DX
UK
Tel:  +44 (0) 1753 777077
Fax: +44 (0) 1753 777001

Registered Number: 2742471


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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 14:19:42 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:19:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter
Message-ID: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>

Hey all,

Just wondering if any of you have and are willing to share a sample of a
letter you use to introduce yourselves to potential clients.  I would prefer
not to create one from scratch if I don?t have to.

Anyone willing to share could send me their samples at my GMAIL account
listed below.


Many Thanks in Advance!

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 21 16:43:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:43:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter
Message-ID: <4BA69305.12585.2C5CBDCB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I basically use a mashup of what's on my website, particularly the home page.

http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

Feel free to use what you want from it - a lot of it is based on what I have seen on other sites, 
including those of some list members :-)

-- 
Stuart


On 21 Mar 2010 at 14:19, Jeff B wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Just wondering if any of you have and are willing to share a sample of a
> letter you use to introduce yourselves to potential clients.  I would prefer
> not to create one from scratch if I don?t have to.
> 
> Anyone willing to share could send me their samples at my GMAIL account
> listed below.
> 
> 
> Many Thanks in Advance!
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
> ?
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 21 23:25:36 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:25:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter
In-Reply-To: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jeff:

I do not use many introduction letters as most of my clients are long term
or just refer me to other clients. I do have a web site, with a testimonial
page(s) that I can refer any prospective customers to.

http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/documents/document_main.asp

...there is also a page that allows a client to pass comments and even
select the latest reference letter. I must admit that is a little out of
date.

http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp (PS I am rebuilding
the Captcha code and you just have to key in 123456 to get it to work.) 

If you do not have a web site it is one of those essentials in this day and
age. It is like having a business card and a phone number... It all gives
you credibility.

If you find any ideas useful help yourself.
 
Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:20 PM
To: AccessD; Dba-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter

Hey all,

Just wondering if any of you have and are willing to share a sample of a
letter you use to introduce yourselves to potential clients.  I would prefer
not to create one from scratch if I don?t have to.

Anyone willing to share could send me their samples at my GMAIL account
listed below.


Many Thanks in Advance!

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com



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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 04:28:03 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:28:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter
In-Reply-To: <B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
	<B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jeff,

and if you do not have a website and want one that just costs $10 for the
domain that takes 30 minutes to set up, including company based email, take
a look at Google Apps.

Mark


On 22 March 2010 04:25, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jeff:
>
> I do not use many introduction letters as most of my clients are long term
> or just refer me to other clients. I do have a web site, with a testimonial
> page(s) that I can refer any prospective customers to.
>
> http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/documents/document_main.asp
>
> ...there is also a page that allows a client to pass comments and even
> select the latest reference letter. I must admit that is a little out of
> date.
>
> http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp (PS I am
> rebuilding
> the Captcha code and you just have to key in 123456 to get it to work.)
>
> If you do not have a web site it is one of those essentials in this day and
> age. It is like having a business card and a phone number... It all gives
> you credibility.
>
> If you find any ideas useful help yourself.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: AccessD; Dba-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Introduction Letter
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wondering if any of you have and are willing to share a sample of a
> letter you use to introduce yourselves to potential clients.  I would
> prefer
> not to create one from scratch if I don?t have to.
>
> Anyone willing to share could send me their samples at my GMAIL account
> listed below.
>
>
> Many Thanks in Advance!
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 22 11:11:57 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:11:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Accessing databases anywhere
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
	<B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E1A27C9457341599BB157B1C02929EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft is working to create another standard protocol and this protocol
will give developers (and eventually power users) easy access to data, from
any database, over the internet...

I do not know why a specific protocol is needed if it will just create
another Asynchronous standard like XML or AJAX but I am sure I am missing
something. If on the other hand this is a synchronous standard, I would be
amazed. Tight binding of the BE and FE is a dead, especially over the
unstable internet and it limited band-width... or maybe it is a streaming
data format?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000783-264.html

Maybe one of you other very bright guys can check further as I am in a
client's office and may be pulled away at any time. ;-)

Jim    



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 22 11:15:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:15:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The proposed OData protocol
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
	<B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70D7004AE6844341B13C242456507925@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Just got to this link but have to go for a meeting:

http://www.odata.org/developers/protocols/overview



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 22 11:16:25 2010
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:16:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Accessing databases anywhere
In-Reply-To: <4E1A27C9457341599BB157B1C02929EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>	<B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E1A27C9457341599BB157B1C02929EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4BA797D9.8060205@earthlink.net>

" ... make information that's stuck in databases reachable with the same 
standards used to retrieve Web pages ...", sickly comic even for M$oft..

PB

-----

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Microsoft is working to create another standard protocol and this protocol
> will give developers (and eventually power users) easy access to data, from
> any database, over the internet...
>
> I do not know why a specific protocol is needed if it will just create
> another Asynchronous standard like XML or AJAX but I am sure I am missing
> something. If on the other hand this is a synchronous standard, I would be
> amazed. Tight binding of the BE and FE is a dead, especially over the
> unstable internet and it limited band-width... or maybe it is a streaming
> data format?
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000783-264.html
>
> Maybe one of you other very bright guys can check further as I am in a
> client's office and may be pulled away at any time. ;-)
>
> Jim    
>
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 22 11:20:53 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The super geek who created JSON
In-Reply-To: <70D7004AE6844341B13C242456507925@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAp0OhAAAAAAAAAQAAAAL5/gfFtGsE2Pf90RU8pn+BQAAABJbnRyb2R1Y3Rpb24gTGV0dGVyAA==@gmail.com>
	<B32DB30738C643D4B4EB6EEE4697FEC9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<c7fd28d01003220228h190ae15ewbdbb8488a29d842b@mail.gmail.com>
	<70D7004AE6844341B13C242456507925@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <B417F5A06DCC46F283A69C0D421EBB67@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is a great little interview with Doug Crockford, the man behind
JavaScript Object Notation (JSON). 

http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/doug-crockford-geek-of-t
he-week/?utm_source=simpletalk&utm_medium=email-main&utm_content=DougCrockfo
rdGOTW-20100322&utm_campaign=Opinion

Jim 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Mar 22 16:53:35 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:53:35 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Accessing databases anywhere
In-Reply-To: <4E1A27C9457341599BB157B1C02929EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4BA7E6DF.21981.318C5120@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oh Puhleease!

How can you use the words "Microsoft" and "standard" in the same sentence with a straight 
face?

Name one "standard" that Microsoft have ever created!

They have always *created* propietary protocols.

Whenever they have *adopted* a standard protocol they have "expanded and enhanced" it 
so it within theri own bits and pieces so that it ceases to be a real standard.

<quote>
At its Mix conference this week, Microsoft touted an interface called the Open Data Protocol, 
or OData. Specifically, the company announced an OData software developer kit to let 
programmers more easily use it and said it wants to standardize OData. 
</quote>

Looks like they just want to take control how OData evolves.   See http://www.odata.org


-- 
Stuart


On 22 Mar 2010 at 9:11, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Microsoft is working to create another standard protocol and this protocol
> will give developers (and eventually power users) easy access to data, from
> any database, over the internet...
> 
> I do not know why a specific protocol is needed if it will just create
> another Asynchronous standard like XML or AJAX but I am sure I am missing
> something. If on the other hand this is a synchronous standard, I would be
> amazed. Tight binding of the BE and FE is a dead, especially over the
> unstable internet and it limited band-width... or maybe it is a streaming
> data format?
> 
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000783-264.html
> 
> Maybe one of you other very bright guys can check further as I am in a
> client's office and may be pulled away at any time. ;-)
> 
> Jim    
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 22 18:23:58 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:23:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Accessing databases anywhere
In-Reply-To: <4BA7E6DF.21981.318C5120@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E1A27C9457341599BB157B1C02929EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4BA7E6DF.21981.318C5120@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E7E11B8C9A51485A8D11D1FF23204AE4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I was being a bit sarcastic there but W3C was also mentioned in article.
These are truly 2 opposites. ;-) But to give MS their due they are trying to
comply with W3C HTML5 standard in their IE9 beta.

Jim

   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Accessing databases anywhere

Oh Puhleease!

How can you use the words "Microsoft" and "standard" in the same sentence
with a straight 
face?

Name one "standard" that Microsoft have ever created!

They have always *created* propietary protocols.

Whenever they have *adopted* a standard protocol they have "expanded and
enhanced" it 
so it within theri own bits and pieces so that it ceases to be a real
standard.

<quote>
At its Mix conference this week, Microsoft touted an interface called the
Open Data Protocol, 
or OData. Specifically, the company announced an OData software developer
kit to let 
programmers more easily use it and said it wants to standardize OData. 
</quote>

Looks like they just want to take control how OData evolves.   See
http://www.odata.org


-- 
Stuart


On 22 Mar 2010 at 9:11, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Microsoft is working to create another standard protocol and this protocol
> will give developers (and eventually power users) easy access to data,
from
> any database, over the internet...
> 
> I do not know why a specific protocol is needed if it will just create
> another Asynchronous standard like XML or AJAX but I am sure I am missing
> something. If on the other hand this is a synchronous standard, I would be
> amazed. Tight binding of the BE and FE is a dead, especially over the
> unstable internet and it limited band-width... or maybe it is a streaming
> data format?
> 
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000783-264.html
> 
> Maybe one of you other very bright guys can check further as I am in a
> client's office and may be pulled away at any time. ;-)
> 
> Jim    
> 
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 15:53:25 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:53:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] (cross posted) Looking for some Crystal Reports help
Message-ID: <2dad32081003241353x605dfa9fs3558d54395696b6@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone done a crystal report for shipping labels where you know the
total number of cartons, but do not have a record for each carton?

For example, I have 1 record telling me there will be 9 cartons.  I need to
be able to loop through the records and print a label for each carton.

-- 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD

Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 16:42:31 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:42:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove series from the legend in an Excel chart
Message-ID: <8F6D874EBA3A4FF88200964EF45D8849@SusanOne>

Can you remove a series from the legend in an Excel chart? I'd like to keep 
the chart, but I have one series that I'd like to remove from it.

Susan H. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 24 16:48:48 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:48:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] (cross posted) Looking for some Crystal Reports help
In-Reply-To: <2dad32081003241353x605dfa9fs3558d54395696b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32081003241353x605dfa9fs3558d54395696b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BAA88C0.30251.4AA348F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Classic situation for a "numbers table" or "dimension table".
Create a table called tblNumbers containing a single PK field. Populate it
with numbers from 1 to whatever you may need.  Then include that table in
your query

SELECT QyrLabels.Name, qryLabels,Adress,, tblNumbers.Number,
qryLabels.Cartons
FROM qryLables, tblNumbers
WHERE tblNumbers.Number<=[Cartons];
Order by Name,Number

will return something like

Name    Address    Number   Cartons
Joe      1 Main St      1                3
Joe      1 Main St      2                3
Joe      1 Main St      3                3
Fred     2 New St     1                 2
Fred     2 New St     2                 2

-- 
Stuart


On 24 Mar 2010 at 15:53, Jeff Barrows wrote:

> Has anyone done a crystal report for shipping labels where you know the
> total number of cartons, but do not have a record for each carton?
> 
> For example, I have 1 record telling me there will be 9 cartons.  I need to
> be able to loop through the records and print a label for each carton.
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
> 
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
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Stuart McLachlan



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 24 23:34:03 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:34:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] break key
Message-ID: <CE953E340F284D2A85EDBC9C0D197D0E@HAL9005>

On my Dell Inspiron there's no Break key so I can't do Ctrl-Break to break
into the CBF.  Does anyone know if there's an equivalent to Ctrl-Break on
this kind of keyboard?

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 11:33:48 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:33:48 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] break key
In-Reply-To: <CE953E340F284D2A85EDBC9C0D197D0E@HAL9005>
References: <CE953E340F284D2A85EDBC9C0D197D0E@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0BA71855753B4239811914C15BF4881A@Server>

https://www.support.com/Community/forums/p/6110/7664.aspx


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Dell+1545+break+key&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&a
ql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


Tons there


Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:34 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [dba-Tech] break key

On my Dell Inspiron there's no Break key so I can't do Ctrl-Break to break
into the CBF.  Does anyone know if there's an equivalent to Ctrl-Break on
this kind of keyboard?

MTIA

 

Rocky

 




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 26 02:30:31 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:30:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!
Message-ID: <00ab01caccb6$37c9d9d0$a75d8d70$@net>

My 16 GB Centon USB Memory Stick lost all of its data today.
 
I Used the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to reformat it an dit appeared to
work but now I have only 15 GB of space available.
 
Any ideas?


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Mar 26 18:11:05 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:11:05 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!
In-Reply-To: <00ab01caccb6$37c9d9d0$a75d8d70$@net>
References: <00ab01caccb6$37c9d9d0$a75d8d70$@net>
Message-ID: <4BAD3F09.29293.F4246DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There's "GB" and there's "GB" depending on who you ask.

Disk manufacturers always use 1000^3 (a gigabyte by definition) when calculating GB, 

Windows uses 1024^3 (technically a gibibyte). 

Your manufacturer's 16 GB is only equivalent to 15 of Microsoft's


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte for all the gory details.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2010 at 2:30, John Bartow wrote:

> My 16 GB Centon USB Memory Stick lost all of its data today.
>  
> I Used the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to reformat it an dit appeared to
> work but now I have only 15 GB of space available.
>  
> Any ideas?
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 26 18:37:58 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:37:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!
In-Reply-To: <4BAD3F09.29293.F4246DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00ab01caccb6$37c9d9d0$a75d8d70$@net>
	<4BAD3F09.29293.F4246DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004901cacd3d$5e718ec0$1b54ac40$@net>

I can see that but it was always reported as 16 before this incident. A
Windows Update? ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!

There's "GB" and there's "GB" depending on who you ask.

Disk manufacturers always use 1000^3 (a gigabyte by definition) when
calculating GB, 

Windows uses 1024^3 (technically a gibibyte). 

Your manufacturer's 16 GB is only equivalent to 15 of Microsoft's


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte for all the gory details.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2010 at 2:30, John Bartow wrote:

> My 16 GB Centon USB Memory Stick lost all of its data today.
>  
> I Used the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to reformat it an dit appeared
to
> work but now I have only 15 GB of space available.
>  
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From rustykh at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 28 09:31:54 2010
From: rustykh at yahoo.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!
In-Reply-To: <004901cacd3d$5e718ec0$1b54ac40$@net>
References: <00ab01caccb6$37c9d9d0$a75d8d70$@net>
	<4BAD3F09.29293.F4246DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<004901cacd3d$5e718ec0$1b54ac40$@net>
Message-ID: <417922.27583.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I don't remember if you can do in on a usb flash drive, but did you maybe change the type of formatting used?  Like the old DOS format to NTFS?





________________________________
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:37:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!

I can see that but it was always reported as 16 before this incident. A
Windows Update? ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!

There's "GB" and there's "GB" depending on who you ask.

Disk manufacturers always use 1000^3 (a gigabyte by definition) when
calculating GB, 

Windows uses 1024^3 (technically a gibibyte). 

Your manufacturer's 16 GB is only equivalent to 15 of Microsoft's


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte for all the gory details.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2010 at 2:30, John Bartow wrote:

> My 16 GB Centon USB Memory Stick lost all of its data today.
>  
> I Used the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to reformat it an dit appeared
to
> work but now I have only 15 GB of space available.
>  
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 28 12:49:45 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:49:45 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!
Message-ID: <sbafb2ff.012@cactus.dk>

Hi John

There is no (noticeable) difference between the gross capacity between FAT32 or NTSF formatting but NTSF formatting initially consumes a little more storage (~30 MB) than FAT32. Any difference is usually caused be the difference in counting method as explained by Stuart.

/gustav

>>> rustykh at yahoo.com 28-03-2010 16:31 >>>
I don't remember if you can do in on a usb flash drive, but did you maybe change the type of formatting used?  Like the old DOS format to NTFS?
________________________________
From: John Bartow <john at winhaven.net>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:37:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!

I can see that but it was always reported as 16 before this incident. A Windows Update? ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB Memory stick lost space!

There's "GB" and there's "GB" depending on who you ask.

Disk manufacturers always use 1000^3 (a gigabyte by definition) when
calculating GB, 

Windows uses 1024^3 (technically a gibibyte). 

Your manufacturer's 16 GB is only equivalent to 15 of Microsoft's


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte for all the gory details.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2010 at 2:30, John Bartow wrote:

> My 16 GB Centon USB Memory Stick lost all of its data today.
>  
> I Used the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to reformat it an dit appeared to
> work but now I have only 15 GB of space available.
>  
> Any ideas?




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 28 16:20:40 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:20:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] iSCSI Openfiler SAN
Message-ID: <sbafe455.014@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Are any of you using iSCSI to attach network storage?

I happened to locate this free server (iSCSI Target) which offers both SMB/CIFS (Windows share), iSCSI Target server, NFS, FTP, UPS, HTTP/WebDAV, LDAP, and rsync services, all controlled from a nice web interface:

  http://www.openfiler.com/

It seems to be well beyond the "normal" NAS appliances but is free to download and use from a single ISO install file or as ready-made machines for VMware  - both in 32- and 64-bit. It runs on a rPath locked down Linux.

Documentation is sparse (manual is ?40 to buy) but I found this beginner's guide:

http://www.petri.co.il/iscsi-san-vmware-esx.htm 
http://www.petri.co.il/use-openfiler-as-free-vmware-esx-san-server.htm 
http://www.petri.co.il/connect-vmware-esx-server-iscsi-san-openfiler.htm 

and this guide, How to connect your Windows 2008 Server & Vista PC to your iSCSI SAN:

http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Connect-Windows-Server-2008-Windows-Vista-iSCSI-Server.html 

All very nice, but big question is of course performance? It could be fine to set up a box with an array of 2 TB drives and off we go. But?
Would I need 10 Gbit NICs and switches? These are still quite expensive.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 28 18:01:48 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:01:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iSCSI Openfiler SAN
In-Reply-To: <sbafe455.014@cactus.dk>
References: <sbafe455.014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F56828DCDDB644B99B486E07A70B18E4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Even though I have not heard anything about iSCSI target, it does sound like a very descent product at a decent price. I have been slowly replacing my home office network with GByte LAN cards, switches and router. The internal performance is really stellar but Internet is only marginally improved but that is probably because my ISP throttles back performance...

On a Linux box the performance should be better as there is less overhead than on Windows products.

Keep me posted on what you learn and any performance and setup issues. 
 
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:21 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] iSCSI Openfiler SAN

Hi all

Are any of you using iSCSI to attach network storage?

I happened to locate this free server (iSCSI Target) which offers both SMB/CIFS (Windows share), iSCSI Target server, NFS, FTP, UPS, HTTP/WebDAV, LDAP, and rsync services, all controlled from a nice web interface:

  http://www.openfiler.com/

It seems to be well beyond the "normal" NAS appliances but is free to download and use from a single ISO install file or as ready-made machines for VMware  - both in 32- and 64-bit. It runs on a rPath locked down Linux.

Documentation is sparse (manual is ?40 to buy) but I found this beginner's guide:

http://www.petri.co.il/iscsi-san-vmware-esx.htm 
http://www.petri.co.il/use-openfiler-as-free-vmware-esx-san-server.htm 
http://www.petri.co.il/connect-vmware-esx-server-iscsi-san-openfiler.htm 

and this guide, How to connect your Windows 2008 Server & Vista PC to your iSCSI SAN:

http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Connect-Windows-Server-2008-Windows-Vista-iSCSI-Server.html 

All very nice, but big question is of course performance? It could be fine to set up a box with an array of 2 TB drives and off we go. But?
Would I need 10 Gbit NICs and switches? These are still quite expensive.


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 16:19:51 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:19:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question
Message-ID: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>

Does anyone know if Outlook 2007 has to be open for reminders to work -- it 
did in earlier versions and I'm just wondering if it's still the same with 
2007 or even 2010. I don't have either installed so I can't check.

I had them both installed, but that system hiccupped. :(

Susan H. 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar 29 17:03:36 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:03:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question
In-Reply-To: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>
References: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003f01cacf8b$af12a940$0d37fbc0$@net>

2007 has to be open :o(

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:20 PM
To: DBA Tech List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question

Does anyone know if Outlook 2007 has to be open for reminders to work -- it 
did in earlier versions and I'm just wondering if it's still the same with 
2007 or even 2010. I don't have either installed so I can't check.

I had them both installed, but that system hiccupped. :(

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 17:10:57 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:10:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question
References: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>
	<003f01cacf8b$af12a940$0d37fbc0$@net>
Message-ID: <44F4B1C6E500495A817BB166F0540A6B@SusanOne>

Thanks John -- I didn't think it likely that they'd change it, but thought 
I'd asked.

Susan H.

> 2007 has to be open :o(



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 30 00:42:06 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:42:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question
In-Reply-To: <44F4B1C6E500495A817BB166F0540A6B@SusanOne>
References: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>	<003f01cacf8b$af12a940$0d37fbc0$@net>
	<44F4B1C6E500495A817BB166F0540A6B@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <012f01cacfcb$c616e3a0$5244aae0$@net>

I wish they would. I used to use other note, task and calendar utilities
that worked slicker but since I went to Outlook I thought I'd go with it.
Probably shouldn't have. I wonder would happen to the resources usage of my
PC if I didn't use the scheduling feature of the above Outlook sections.
Right now Outlook is consuming 92 MB of RAM just to stay open.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question

Thanks John -- I didn't think it likely that they'd change it, but thought 
I'd asked.



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Mar 30 08:05:36 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:05:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question
In-Reply-To: <012f01cacfcb$c616e3a0$5244aae0$@net>
References: <C485B20079A94A98B0555EEAB136C740@SusanOne>
	<003f01cacf8b$af12a940$0d37fbc0$@net>
	<44F4B1C6E500495A817BB166F0540A6B@SusanOne>
	<012f01cacfcb$c616e3a0$5244aae0$@net>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E87E06B1B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

These days 92 MB is not much at all, sadly. I just launched the Chrome browser and with one tab open to a local 'home page' with nothing fancy on it (one background image and a bunch of hyperlinks) I see 14 (fourteen!) Chrome processes listed in Task Manager that between them are consuming over 246 MB!

The bloatware wars continue.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question

I wish they would. I used to use other note, task and calendar utilities that worked slicker but since I went to Outlook I thought I'd go with it.
Probably shouldn't have. I wonder would happen to the resources usage of my PC if I didn't use the scheduling feature of the above Outlook sections.
Right now Outlook is consuming 92 MB of RAM just to stay open.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook reminder question

Thanks John -- I didn't think it likely that they'd change it, but thought I'd asked.

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From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 08:46:55 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:46:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>

We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is it
good?  Bad? Ugly?

Janet Erbach
IT Administrator
Natural Healthy Concepts


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 30 10:42:06 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:42:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Janet:

Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been doing
some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
really good. Here is a review of the product:

http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html

In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.

On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have been
working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.

Jim



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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is it
good?  Bad? Ugly?

Janet Erbach
IT Administrator
Natural Healthy Concepts
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From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 11:28:29 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:28:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>

Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Janet:
>
> Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
> would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been
> doing
> some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
> really good. Here is a review of the product:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html
>
> In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.
>
> On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have been
> working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
> maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
> recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
> our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is it
> good?  Bad? Ugly?
>
> Janet Erbach
> IT Administrator
> Natural Healthy Concepts
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 30 11:58:59 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:58:59 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
Message-ID: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>

Hi Janet

This sounds strange. I just checked at a client running file, print, exchange including web access, Windows backup, and default SharePoint stuff (which I cannot find out how to switch off).
Installed ram is 8 GB, consumed is 4.66 GB. Idle CPU is 0-3%.

SQL Server and store.exe each eat 600 MB, IIS and EdgeTransport each ~225 MB, svchost and IIS each ~180 MB, DataCollector and SQL Server*32 each ~160 MB, all other below 80 MB.

/gustav


>>> jerbach at gmail.com 30-03-2010 18:28 >>>
Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Janet:
>
> Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
> would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been
> doing
> some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
> really good. Here is a review of the product:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html 
>
> In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.
>
> On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have been
> working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
> maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
> recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
> our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is it
> good?  Bad? Ugly?
>
> Janet Erbach
> IT Administrator
> Natural Healthy Concepts





From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 13:16:14 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:16:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>
References: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003301116o4f1b6d55ha5c0684c954bf75f@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav -

That's very interesting.  Maybe I should be investigating the role that
Trend Micro might be playing in memory usage...

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Janet
>
> This sounds strange. I just checked at a client running file, print,
> exchange including web access, Windows backup, and default SharePoint stuff
> (which I cannot find out how to switch off).
> Installed ram is 8 GB, consumed is 4.66 GB. Idle CPU is 0-3%.
>
> SQL Server and store.exe each eat 600 MB, IIS and EdgeTransport each ~225
> MB, svchost and IIS each ~180 MB, DataCollector and SQL Server*32 each ~160
> MB, all other below 80 MB.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jerbach at gmail.com 30-03-2010 18:28 >>>
>  Jim -
>
> Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
> off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
> provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.
>
> I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of
> recoverability
> standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that
> provide
> a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having
> to
> re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
> dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
> imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
> way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
> bootable image?
>
> Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.
>
> On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base
> line
> day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
> total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
> really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
> machine runs like that as well.
>
> Janet
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Janet:
> >
> > Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
> > would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been
> > doing
> > some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
> > really good. Here is a review of the product:
> >
> > http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html
> >
> > In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.
> >
> > On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have
> been
> > working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
> > maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
> >
> > We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
> > recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
> > our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is
> it
> > good?  Bad? Ugly?
> >
> > Janet Erbach
> > IT Administrator
> > Natural Healthy Concepts
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 30 14:53:16 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:53:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>
References: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <55DA7417C69D492EA2F577D2831F0557@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Three of products on SBS are designed to have their own servers and do not
necessarily work well with other applications, especially if they are of the
same ilk. Exchange and SharePoint are the biggest offenders but MS SQL can
consume a lot resources if you have large databases, running it with IIS and
have your caching turned on.

It is not that these products can not run is a smaller memory foot print, it
is that they seem to holds on to memory that they are not using. This is why
sometimes even when memory usage may seem OK things are still running slow.
Each product assumes there is a certain buffer and temporary storage space
available and then they end up having to negotiate with each other. You can
view this when observing the memory usage through TaskManger and you notice
a one of two second spike that may top out memory.

In addition, if setup the recommended way, everything runs through the
server. All the desktops of all staff are managed that way. To handle these
and other sever issues there is extensive use of the SQL server which
stores, tracks and manages all the resources on the system. That adds
another layer of resource usage.

Though SBS is a very cost and management effective system, it is replacing
three or four stand-alone servers and needs similar resources. If possible
the best server would have a 64bit OS, 64 bit hardware, quad core, 16GB RAM
with a full RAID 5. There is just no substitute for horsepower. ;-)

Jim

      

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:59 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Hi Janet

This sounds strange. I just checked at a client running file, print,
exchange including web access, Windows backup, and default SharePoint stuff
(which I cannot find out how to switch off).
Installed ram is 8 GB, consumed is 4.66 GB. Idle CPU is 0-3%.

SQL Server and store.exe each eat 600 MB, IIS and EdgeTransport each ~225
MB, svchost and IIS each ~180 MB, DataCollector and SQL Server*32 each ~160
MB, all other below 80 MB.

/gustav


>>> jerbach at gmail.com 30-03-2010 18:28 >>>
Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Janet:
>
> Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
> would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been
> doing
> some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
> really good. Here is a review of the product:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html 
>
> In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.
>
> On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have been
> working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
> maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
> recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
> our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is it
> good?  Bad? Ugly?
>
> Janet Erbach
> IT Administrator
> Natural Healthy Concepts



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From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:18:31 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:18:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <55DA7417C69D492EA2F577D2831F0557@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sbb24a0b.049@cactus.dk>
	<55DA7417C69D492EA2F577D2831F0557@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003301318y3a6b1917m36346da6a7b176ab@mail.gmail.com>

You're right about the horsepower.  But we've GOT it - the very setup that
you mentioned.  That's why I'm frustrated that our memory usage is so high
all the time.  I think it's because we did NOT install 2008 in the standard
fashion;  the consultants, who assumed SBS 2008 would just be a new improved
version of 2003, turned off Exchange because we weren't planning on using it
at all.  That was a mistake.  We've since turned Exchange back on, but I
think the 'dirty' install is partially responsible for the high memory
issue.  We may start over and re-install from scratch, and switch from SATA
drives to SAS drives at the same time (and from raid 5 to raid 10) to
improve performance.

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Three of products on SBS are designed to have their own servers and do not
> necessarily work well with other applications, especially if they are of
> the
> same ilk. Exchange and SharePoint are the biggest offenders but MS SQL can
> consume a lot resources if you have large databases, running it with IIS
> and
> have your caching turned on.
>
> It is not that these products can not run is a smaller memory foot print,
> it
> is that they seem to holds on to memory that they are not using. This is
> why
> sometimes even when memory usage may seem OK things are still running slow.
> Each product assumes there is a certain buffer and temporary storage space
> available and then they end up having to negotiate with each other. You can
> view this when observing the memory usage through TaskManger and you notice
> a one of two second spike that may top out memory.
>
> In addition, if setup the recommended way, everything runs through the
> server. All the desktops of all staff are managed that way. To handle these
> and other sever issues there is extensive use of the SQL server which
> stores, tracks and manages all the resources on the system. That adds
> another layer of resource usage.
>
> Though SBS is a very cost and management effective system, it is replacing
> three or four stand-alone servers and needs similar resources. If possible
> the best server would have a 64bit OS, 64 bit hardware, quad core, 16GB RAM
> with a full RAID 5. There is just no substitute for horsepower. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:59 AM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Hi Janet
>
> This sounds strange. I just checked at a client running file, print,
> exchange including web access, Windows backup, and default SharePoint stuff
> (which I cannot find out how to switch off).
> Installed ram is 8 GB, consumed is 4.66 GB. Idle CPU is 0-3%.
>
> SQL Server and store.exe each eat 600 MB, IIS and EdgeTransport each ~225
> MB, svchost and IIS each ~180 MB, DataCollector and SQL Server*32 each ~160
> MB, all other below 80 MB.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> jerbach at gmail.com 30-03-2010 18:28 >>>
> Jim -
>
> Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
> off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
> provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.
>
> I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of
> recoverability
> standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that
> provide
> a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having
> to
> re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
> dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
> imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
> way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
> bootable image?
>
> Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.
>
> On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base
> line
> day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
> total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
> really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
> machine runs like that as well.
>
> Janet
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Janet:
> >
> > Does not your SBS have a fine backup system built in? The Symantec backup
> > would have to have a lot of features to make it worth it. We have been
> > doing
> > some experimenting with LogMeIn remote and offsite backup and it looks
> > really good. Here is a review of the product:
> >
> > http://reviews.cnet.com/e-mail/logmein-backup/1707-3536_7-31841188.html
> >
> > In the office we backup to portable drives and then take them off site.
> >
> > On another aside, at a client's site, that is using SBS 2008, we have
> been
> > working to get it performance up but the only success we have had is by
> > maxing out the RAM... 16GB and it is finally up to a good trot.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
> >
> > We've gotten a server upgrade quote from a local consultant who is
> > recommending that we switch to Symantec's Backup Exec 2010 for backing up
> > our SBS 2008.  Do any of you have any experience with this product?  Is
> it
> > good?  Bad? Ugly?
> >
> > Janet Erbach
> > IT Administrator
> > Natural Healthy Concepts
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 30 15:50:17 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:50:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Janet:

A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally use
an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.

There is something that seems to not be common knowledge: 

First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
can be created. 

Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can even
start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives, not
practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
methods are complete on an operational drive.

Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should never
be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.

HTH
Jim
    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet



From jerbach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:20:27 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:20:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
	<02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6ac2c1003301420o71975dabl90f2f32c3e91d5fb@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!   I did not know that about bootable backups. (Not that I know that
much about backups to begin with...) Thank you for that...I will continue to
research other backup options then!

Janet

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Janet:
>
> A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally
> use
> an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
> doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
> configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
> required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
> drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.
>
> There is something that seems to not be common knowledge:
>
> First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
> is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
> with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
> can be created.
>
> Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
> running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can
> even
> start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives,
> not
> practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
> methods are complete on an operational drive.
>
> Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
> method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
> active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
> or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
> running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
> recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should
> never
> be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>  Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Jim -
>
> Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
> off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
> provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.
>
> I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of
> recoverability
> standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that
> provide
> a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having
> to
> re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
> dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
> imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
> way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
> bootable image?
>
> Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.
>
> On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base
> line
> day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
> total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
> really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
> machine runs like that as well.
>
> Janet
>
>  _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 01:45:20 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:45:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com><4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com><6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
	<02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1ED9622EF4D84FDEBE592D96774A7599@Server>

Jim,

What do you use for the image?
What do you use for the incremental backups following the image?

Ta

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Hi Janet:

A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally use
an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.

There is something that seems to not be common knowledge: 

First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
can be created. 

Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can even
start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives, not
practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
methods are complete on an operational drive.

Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should never
be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.

HTH
Jim
    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 31 08:07:51 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:07:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <1ED9622EF4D84FDEBE592D96774A7599@Server>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
	<02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1ED9622EF4D84FDEBE592D96774A7599@Server>
Message-ID: <5CEF3CE338D4433694BDB4816269DCD7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Max:

When it comes to doing an image backup I personally use DriveImageXML
imbedded in a version of BartsPE distro. Because it is so important to get
the image right and to be able to confidentially know that the image will
create a perfect booting drive, I stick with slightly dated system. 

The one type of drive that can not be imaged correctly is some drive that
has used data compression...but not even Acronis can do that, counter to
their claims.

In most cases when it comes to backing up a clients systems beyond that I
use what ever they have locally which in most cases turns out to be their MS
backup. That is because I have great concerns when it comes to proprietary
systems. In many cases, a custom package ends up costing continuous updates,
which do not get maintained or/and do not end up being used properly by the
local staff and the original media has a habit of getting lost...etc.

Most sites are really very stable, especially when it comes to servers.
Major updates are done in blocks and then a new image. After that the data
is most important and to that I have been working with a friend to implement
a remote backup service... $79.00 a month up to 500GB and this uses the new
LogMeIn backup service... uses a distributive synchronization method. (Only
backing up data changes so it is very fast.)

I tend to wear suspender and a belt when it comes to backups and very
conservative on what software I use... I only use software that I have
watched complete a successful restoration.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:45 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Jim,

What do you use for the image?
What do you use for the incremental backups following the image?

Ta

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Hi Janet:

A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally use
an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.

There is something that seems to not be common knowledge: 

First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
can be created. 

Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can even
start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives, not
practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
methods are complete on an operational drive.

Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should never
be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.

HTH
Jim
    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

Jim -

Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.

I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of recoverability
standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that provide
a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having to
re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
bootable image?

Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.

On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base line
day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
machine runs like that as well.

Janet

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From jerbach at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 09:26:33 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:26:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <5CEF3CE338D4433694BDB4816269DCD7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
	<02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1ED9622EF4D84FDEBE592D96774A7599@Server>
	<5CEF3CE338D4433694BDB4816269DCD7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <y2t6ef6ac2c1003310726lb9438d51gbad9ee2732571cf@mail.gmail.com>

My husband, Steven, claims that the whole issue of system backups REALLY
belongs under umbrella of the 'Dark Arts'...

Janet Erbach

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Max:
>
> When it comes to doing an image backup I personally use DriveImageXML
> imbedded in a version of BartsPE distro. Because it is so important to get
> the image right and to be able to confidentially know that the image will
> create a perfect booting drive, I stick with slightly dated system.
>
> The one type of drive that can not be imaged correctly is some drive that
> has used data compression...but not even Acronis can do that, counter to
> their claims.
>
> In most cases when it comes to backing up a clients systems beyond that I
> use what ever they have locally which in most cases turns out to be their
> MS
> backup. That is because I have great concerns when it comes to proprietary
> systems. In many cases, a custom package ends up costing continuous
> updates,
> which do not get maintained or/and do not end up being used properly by the
> local staff and the original media has a habit of getting lost...etc.
>
> Most sites are really very stable, especially when it comes to servers.
> Major updates are done in blocks and then a new image. After that the data
> is most important and to that I have been working with a friend to
> implement
> a remote backup service... $79.00 a month up to 500GB and this uses the new
> LogMeIn backup service... uses a distributive synchronization method. (Only
> backing up data changes so it is very fast.)
>
> I tend to wear suspender and a belt when it comes to backups and very
> conservative on what software I use... I only use software that I have
> watched complete a successful restoration.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:45 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Jim,
>
> What do you use for the image?
> What do you use for the incremental backups following the image?
>
> Ta
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Hi Janet:
>
> A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally
> use
> an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
> doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
> configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
> required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
> drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.
>
> There is something that seems to not be common knowledge:
>
> First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
> is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
> with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
> can be created.
>
> Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
> running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can
> even
> start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives,
> not
> practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
> methods are complete on an operational drive.
>
> Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
> method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
> active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
> or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
> running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
> recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should
> never
> be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Jim -
>
> Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
> off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
> provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.
>
> I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of
> recoverability
> standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that
> provide
> a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having
> to
> re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
> dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
> imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
> way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
> bootable image?
>
> Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.
>
> On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base
> line
> day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
> total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
> really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your client's
> machine runs like that as well.
>
> Janet
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 31 09:35:59 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:35:59 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
Message-ID: <sbb37a09.086@cactus.dk>

Hi Janet

And he has something with 999 (or is it 666?) as well?!

No, there is no dark powers in this, it is just a bit boring and not that simple and easy.

/gustav


>>> jerbach at gmail.com 31-03-2010 16:26 >>>
My husband, Steven, claims that the whole issue of system backups REALLY
belongs under umbrella of the 'Dark Arts'...

Janet Erbach




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 31 11:42:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:42:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
In-Reply-To: <y2t6ef6ac2c1003310726lb9438d51gbad9ee2732571cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ef6ac2c1003300646l5e6fbebbg1380cdf437464809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4750124C54C54A1E8D786181CCFB1935@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6ef6ac2c1003300928t47cbc89dja5bbcd85f4a7e804@mail.gmail.com>
	<02545B850BFE490389016410ED43B933@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1ED9622EF4D84FDEBE592D96774A7599@Server>
	<5CEF3CE338D4433694BDB4816269DCD7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<y2t6ef6ac2c1003310726lb9438d51gbad9ee2732571cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8BB9821ADC394D71935859FE0B1B3A30@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I worked for the government in a number of different capacities. In one of
my middle evolutions my contract job was to build various applications in
FoxPro, Access and a bunch of other strange languages. 

A new and wonderful product (and I can not remember its name as I never
touched it) emerged as the backup system of choice and it was picked by all
the ministries. It had an extensive librarian system designed in the backup
module so not only could it do flawless backups you could trace every
version...complete version control was the mantra of the day. The output as
you would expect was massive, so massive that a department was setup to just
handle backups.

Then a major server crash. It seems that the air-conditioning system flooded
a computer room. For some reason many of the drive controllers failed, some
could not be replaced as they were discontinued product lines and the system
had to be brought up immediately. So new computers were bought but they
could not read the old drives... No problem there was always the backups.

It was discovered that many of the backups would not work especially the
older ones. It seemed that their prize backup software company had been
improving their product all along and at one point it was no more backward
compatible. 

In summary, it took months to resolve, the backup product was decommissioned
and the government reverted either to, backing up with the Microsoft backup
systems or ran everything through their UNIX servers. At least in the
Linux/Unix world there are some standards and most systems are
OpenSource...and most importantly open source code... and never again
proprietary backup systems.

Jim

   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:27 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec

My husband, Steven, claims that the whole issue of system backups REALLY
belongs under umbrella of the 'Dark Arts'...

Janet Erbach

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Max:
>
> When it comes to doing an image backup I personally use DriveImageXML
> imbedded in a version of BartsPE distro. Because it is so important to get
> the image right and to be able to confidentially know that the image will
> create a perfect booting drive, I stick with slightly dated system.
>
> The one type of drive that can not be imaged correctly is some drive that
> has used data compression...but not even Acronis can do that, counter to
> their claims.
>
> In most cases when it comes to backing up a clients systems beyond that I
> use what ever they have locally which in most cases turns out to be their
> MS
> backup. That is because I have great concerns when it comes to proprietary
> systems. In many cases, a custom package ends up costing continuous
> updates,
> which do not get maintained or/and do not end up being used properly by
the
> local staff and the original media has a habit of getting lost...etc.
>
> Most sites are really very stable, especially when it comes to servers.
> Major updates are done in blocks and then a new image. After that the data
> is most important and to that I have been working with a friend to
> implement
> a remote backup service... $79.00 a month up to 500GB and this uses the
new
> LogMeIn backup service... uses a distributive synchronization method.
(Only
> backing up data changes so it is very fast.)
>
> I tend to wear suspender and a belt when it comes to backups and very
> conservative on what software I use... I only use software that I have
> watched complete a successful restoration.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>  [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:45 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Jim,
>
> What do you use for the image?
> What do you use for the incremental backups following the image?
>
> Ta
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Hi Janet:
>
> A system does not need a full image backup continuously. I traditionally
> use
> an image backup to set a 'Tomb Stone' and then just have the backups app
> doing a regular backup. In the event of a major set of updates of system
> configuration then an image can be redone. If a full restore is ever
> required then the image backup is first used to rebuild a fully bootable
> drive and the regular backs are use to restore the current status.
>
> There is something that seems to not be common knowledge:
>
> First; a fully bootable image of a drive can not be created while a system
> is running. The system must be stopped then booted from a DVD/Memory stick
> with your favourite Image backup application on it and then the full image
> can be created.
>
> Second; products that claim they can do a full image while the system is
> running are not telling the whole truth. There is only one way they can
> even
> start a backup and that is by either having exclusive use of the drives,
> not
> practical on an operation server or do a Shadow backup. Neither of those
> methods are complete on an operational drive.
>
> Third; a Shadow backup is a backup created from the system's duplication
> method. Those duplicated file tend to be sporadic especially on a very
> active server and image does not end up with any of the primary drive info
> or boot track information as it can not be duplicated while the system is
> running...also having Shadow Copy feature running on an OS drive sucks up
> recourses like crazy. For those and other reasons Shadow Copies should
> never
> be used on the boot drive...only on data drives.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Janet Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Symantec Backup Exec
>
> Jim -
>
> Like you, we've been backing up to a portable device and taking the disks
> off-site using Casper.  But I was told last week that Casper does not
> provide a truly bootable image for SBS 2008.
>
> I guess I balk at the standard Windows backup from an ease of
> recoverability
> standpoint in a total server crash.  I like the idea of backups that
> provide
> a bootable image that can be restored onto another machine without having
> to
> re-install every bit of software.  I've never been in that kind of
> dead-in-the-water situation (thankfully!) so I'm just going by what I
> imagine the recovery process to be like.  Which, of course, is very likely
> way off the mark.  Am I putting too much emphasis on the importance of a
> bootable image?
>
> Thanks for the info on logmein - I will look into that more.
>
> On your client's SBS 2008 machine...do you happen to know what the base
> line
> day-to-day memory usage is?  Ours is running at around 12gb out of 16
> total...and I'm starting to think that 2008 is such a resource pig that it
> really does require that much.  I would be curious to know if your
client's
> machine runs like that as well.
>
> Janet
>
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