From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue May 4 22:15:36 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:15:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Upload speed
Message-ID: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005>
Dear List:
I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a
repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of
service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site
backup.
But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload at
around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of
choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from
their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's cool
with them - talk to the host.
Any ideas how I could up my upload speed?
MTIA
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com
www.bchacc.com
From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue May 4 23:06:10 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 14:06:10 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed
In-Reply-To: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005>
References: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Are you sure Filezilla is showing Kbps (kilobits per second) and not KBps (Kilobytes per
second). FTP programs usually show the latter and 900Kbps speed will give you an effective
60-90KBps allowing for overheads.
--
Stuart
On 4 May 2010 at 20:15, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a
> repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of
> service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site
> backup.
>
> But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload at
> around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of
> choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from
> their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's cool
> with them - talk to the host.
>
> Any ideas how I could up my upload speed?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue May 4 23:22:34 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:22:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed
In-Reply-To: <4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005>
<4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID:
Yeah, KB/s, kilobytes per second. Looking at the live transfers now I jumps
from ~20 to ~120, but averages around 30KB/s.
R
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:06 PM
To: discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed
Are you sure Filezilla is showing Kbps (kilobits per second) and not KBps
(Kilobytes per second). FTP programs usually show the latter and 900Kbps
speed will give you an effective 60-90KBps allowing for overheads.
--
Stuart
On 4 May 2010 at 20:15, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a
> repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of
> service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site
> backup.
>
> But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload
at
> around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of
> choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from
> their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's
cool
> with them - talk to the host.
>
> Any ideas how I could up my upload speed?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 09:03:18 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:03:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Ubuntu Linix 10.4 has been filling the bloggs
and tech sites
In-Reply-To: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID:
Here is a sample of some of the posts out there. This particular
distribution from Ubuntu has caught the eye of many in the commentators and
not just the geek squad... though they are definitely there.
Here is a new article asking whether Ubuntu is more Mac like than Mac:
http://theappleblog.com/2010/05/06/does-ubuntu-capture-the-mac-vision-and-sp
irit-better-than-mac-os-x
>From TechRepublic a general article on 10 things newbies should understand
about Linux:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-13583-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=330269&me
ssageID=3288216&tag=leftCol;post-1507
also this article above makes reference to the concept of 'pager'. No, it is
not for sending messages to your cell phone. It should be decribed as simply
multi-desktops. It is great feature for those of us who have 20 things and 3
projects going on symaltaneously and need to keep our universe organized:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-13583-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=330269&me
ssageID=3288216&tag=leftCol;post-1507
Jim
From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 09:25:36 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:25:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A couple of great articles on latest and greatest
In-Reply-To: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <80A9CCEB7CDF43A4AF4FACB36ECB3071@creativesystemdesigns.com>
For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point
passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point
of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet
tabyte
Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new
super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the
CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where
better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help
performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our
standard SQLs.
http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html
An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really
fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all
indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is
why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage
the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the
hardware to manage it's self.
Jim
From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri May 7 12:55:27 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:55:27 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on latest
and greatest)
Message-ID:
Hi Jim
It is not easy to get hold on this monster. Here are some useful links I found:
WTF is a SuperColumn? An Intro to the Cassandra Data Model:
http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model
Cassandra Jump Start For The Windows Developer:
http://www.coderjournal.com/2010/03/cassandra-jump-start-for-the-windows-developer/
Thrift Wiki. Basic requirements for win32:
http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/ThriftInstallationWin32
Nick Berardi's managedfusion / fluentcassandra:
FluentCassandra is a .NET library for accessing Cassandra, which wraps the Thrift client library and provides a more fluent POCO interface for accessing and querying the objects in Cassandra.
http://github.com/managedfusion/fluentcassandra/blob/master/README.mkd#readme
Nick Berardi's C# CasandraDemo:
https://code.google.com/p/coderjournal/source/browse/trunk/Posts/2010/03/CassandraDemo.cs
So much to read and learn ...
/gustav
>>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-05-2010 16:25 >>>
For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point
passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point
of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet
tabyte
Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new
super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the
CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where
better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help
performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our
standard SQLs.
http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html
An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really
fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all
indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is
why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage
the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the
hardware to manage it's self.
Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri May 7 14:54:14 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:54:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
I am doing some SharePoint work for someone
Windows Service 2008
New AD Accounts added to Domain User
None of the accounts can log in.
Administrator accounts can log in.
At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps.
Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one.
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 20:29:15 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:29:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on
latest andgreatest)
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Thanks a lot for this research, Gustav.
I have been holding off any software developments and experiments until my
Web server has a new motherboard and memory. Anything else major will have
to wait until the winter now as my calendar is starting to fill up.
...but I will definitely flag this for further review.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:55 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on latest
andgreatest)
Hi Jim
It is not easy to get hold on this monster. Here are some useful links I
found:
WTF is a SuperColumn? An Intro to the Cassandra Data Model:
http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model
Cassandra Jump Start For The Windows Developer:
http://www.coderjournal.com/2010/03/cassandra-jump-start-for-the-windows-dev
eloper/
Thrift Wiki. Basic requirements for win32:
http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/ThriftInstallationWin32
Nick Berardi's managedfusion / fluentcassandra:
FluentCassandra is a .NET library for accessing Cassandra, which wraps the
Thrift client library and provides a more fluent POCO interface for
accessing and querying the objects in Cassandra.
http://github.com/managedfusion/fluentcassandra/blob/master/README.mkd#readm
e
Nick Berardi's C# CasandraDemo:
https://code.google.com/p/coderjournal/source/browse/trunk/Posts/2010/03/Cas
sandraDemo.cs
So much to read and learn ...
/gustav
>>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-05-2010 16:25 >>>
For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point
passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point
of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet
tabyte
Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new
super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the
CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where
better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help
performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our
standard SQLs.
http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html
An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really
fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all
indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is
why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage
the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the
hardware to manage it's self.
Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 20:34:46 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:34:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Hi Martin:
If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to.
Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does
suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume
before the system can work correctly.
http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from
-active-directory
HTH
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
I am doing some SharePoint work for someone
Windows Service 2008
New AD Accounts added to Domain User
None of the accounts can log in.
Administrator accounts can log in.
At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps.
Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one.
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat May 8 02:53:35 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:53:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
<91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Jim
We got it working. Not to sure what was happing. Took out the AD accounts and then readded them and all was well. I have seen this in work before where SIDs got corrupted.
Biggest issue with SharePoint is that it touches so much other software and systems. No one knows them all (<:
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence [accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: 08 May 2010 02:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
Hi Martin:
If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to.
Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does
suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume
before the system can work correctly.
http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from
-active-directory
HTH
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
I am doing some SharePoint work for someone
Windows Service 2008
New AD Accounts added to Domain User
None of the accounts can log in.
Administrator accounts can log in.
At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps.
Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one.
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From accessd at shaw.ca Sat May 8 08:48:15 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 06:48:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
<91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID:
Hi Martin:
That is good to hear that you got all the pieces working. I have had so many
issues with AD over the years. It is amazing how far its control stretches
across a network and what odd problems it can cause if not configured
property.
The main thing is you got it working.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
Jim
We got it working. Not to sure what was happing. Took out the AD accounts
and then readded them and all was well. I have seen this in work before
where SIDs got corrupted.
Biggest issue with SharePoint is that it touches so much other software and
systems. No one knows them all (<:
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
[accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: 08 May 2010 02:34
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
Hi Martin:
If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to.
Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does
suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume
before the system can work correctly.
http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from
-active-directory
HTH
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory
I am doing some SharePoint work for someone
Windows Service 2008
New AD Accounts added to Domain User
None of the accounts can log in.
Administrator accounts can log in.
At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps.
Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one.
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 10 00:11:20 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:11:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Fast Wait-Free Hash Table
In-Reply-To:
References:
<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
Message-ID:
How do these super fast databases work? Super databases like 'Cassandra'.
Through a single system with a single CPU the process is fairly straight
forward but now add multiple CPUs and to that the potential of multiple
computers. The question is can multi-threaded applications be designed, that
can grow in real-time, potentially have unlimited data and still perform at
super speeds?
The whole operation hinges on the ability of a system to generate unique
hash key pairs at incredible speed and the subsequent ability to retrieve
information via those keys. The following link is to a series of YouTube
lectures given at Stanford University, some by Cliff Click, a senior
developer for the Azul project (http://www.ccpalma.com). He gives the coding
examples in Java but they are still easy to follow as the code is kept
simple and VB/C like.
In conclusion this links to a great series lectures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYXgtXWejRM
Jim
From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 10 17:03:30 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:03:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New unstoppable malware on the horizon
In-Reply-To:
References:
<386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <50437C7E0164474A8DB4BEE7D111F0C6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Now that most of our new computers are multi-cored and capable of running
processes in parallel, it appears, unfortunately that most of our software
has not taken advance of this new capability or do most programmers even
know how to. Here in lies the danger.
Our best virus protection software is just designed for single core
processes. A company has pointed out the weakness to our situation and how
to take advantage of it. It works like the old bait and switch routine.
While the current protection software is busy validating some innocuous file
or software the malware is busy pushing a zombie through via a parallel
process. Very slick:
http://www.matousec.com/info/articles/khobe-8.0-earthquake-for-windows-deskt
op-security-software.php
Now that the knowledge of how to build unstoppable malware is out there how
long do we have to wait until our protection software is ready to stop the
inevitable flood?
Jim
From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue May 11 03:44:32 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:44:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google
Message-ID:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18844-innovation-the-wifi-database-that-shamed-google.html
By now, most of us in the US, the UK and Australia, plus many elsewhere in Europe, have got used to the fact that images of almost every house on every street are available online for all to see via the Street View facility in Google Maps.
But last week many were shocked to learn that while the advertising giant's camera-equipped cars were zipping past our front doors, they were not just collecting panoramic photos. Wi-Fi antennas on the cars were hunting down wireless computer networks, and equipment inside was recording the networks' names, locations and the unique MAC address of the routers supporting them.
The revelation has, not for the first time, prompted a wave of accusations that Google doesn't care about privacy anywhere near enough.
Map maker
Google says it has collected the data in order to improve the accuracy with which smartphones can pinpoint their location on Google Maps, especially in city centres where GPS may be unreliable.
Cellphone mapping apps can improve matters by drawing on knowledge of which cellphone tower the phone is in contact with, but Google realised that even greater accuracy is possible if the phone can note details of nearby wireless routers. The server supplying Google Maps to the phone can then calculate a precise position.
Millions of smartphone users worldwide have already benefited from Google's database, which has been live in the US since late 2007.
Not so strange
Google is not alone in gathering Wi-Fi data for location purposes. Skyhook Wireless of Boston uses Wi-Fi-scanning cars to provide a similar service, which is used by the default mapping app on some Motorola phones.
Although Google has not made any particular effort to keep its data-gathering activities secret, neither has it declared what it has been doing. It was not until last week that Germany's Federal Commissioner for Data Protection, Peter Schaar, discovered that Street View cars operating in Germany were harvesting Wi-Fi data. He says he had not been made aware of this when he granted Google permission to take photographs for Street View.
In the UK, the Information Commissioner's Office was similarly surprised. Though the commissioner had met Google before Street View cars began patrolling the UK, "at no point did Google make us aware that it would be scanning Wi-Fi too", says ICO spokesman Nick Day. The ICO says it is seeking more information from Google, while Schaar is demanding that the firm delete any Wi-Fi data collected "unlawfully".
Open up
Google's global privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, says the data protection authorities were not informed of the Wi-Fi trawl because "this is all publicly broadcast information which is accessible to anyone with a Wi-Fi enabled device". No law prohibits its collection, he says. And unlike Street View images, the Wi-Fi data will remain at the data centre providing the mapping service, and will never to be published online, Fleischer says.
The data commissioners have not spelled out the risks of a leak from the Wi-Fi database, and are unlikely to press for laws against Wi-Fi data collection any time soon. But the outcry over Google's now not-so-secret Wi-Fi database leads to a clear conclusion, says Simon Davies, head of pressure group Privacy International. "Keeping the data collection secret was a bad decision from a community relations perspective," he says.
Fleischer seems to agree. "It's clear with hindsight that greater transparency would have been better," he says. When pushing technical boundaries with other people's data, a little openness goes a long way.
Jon
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From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 11 08:38:14 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I am sure only the UK government would be interested in that data. Maybe I
should ask the UK government for pictures of my trip as I am sure they have
a better record than I do. ;-)
Jim
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Slough
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18844-innovation-the-wifi-database-tha
t-shamed-google.html
By now, most of us in the US, the UK and Australia, plus many elsewhere in
Europe, have got used to the fact that images of almost every house on every
street are available online for all to see via the Street View facility in
Google Maps.
But last week many were shocked to learn that while the advertising giant's
camera-equipped cars were zipping past our front doors, they were not just
collecting panoramic photos. Wi-Fi antennas on the cars were hunting down
wireless computer networks, and equipment inside was recording the networks'
names, locations and the unique MAC address of the routers supporting them.
The revelation has, not for the first time, prompted a wave of accusations
that Google doesn't care about privacy anywhere near enough.
Map maker
Google says it has collected the data in order to improve the accuracy with
which smartphones can pinpoint their location on Google Maps, especially in
city centres where GPS may be unreliable.
Cellphone mapping apps can improve matters by drawing on knowledge of which
cellphone tower the phone is in contact with, but Google realised that even
greater accuracy is possible if the phone can note details of nearby
wireless routers. The server supplying Google Maps to the phone can then
calculate a precise position.
Millions of smartphone users worldwide have already benefited from Google's
database, which has been live in the US since late 2007.
Not so strange
Google is not alone in gathering Wi-Fi data for location purposes. Skyhook
Wireless of Boston uses Wi-Fi-scanning cars to provide a similar service,
which is used by the default mapping app on some Motorola phones.
Although Google has not made any particular effort to keep its
data-gathering activities secret, neither has it declared what it has been
doing. It was not until last week that Germany's Federal Commissioner for
Data Protection, Peter Schaar, discovered that Street View cars operating in
Germany were harvesting Wi-Fi data. He says he had not been made aware of
this when he granted Google permission to take photographs for Street View.
In the UK, the Information Commissioner's Office was similarly surprised.
Though the commissioner had met Google before Street View cars began
patrolling the UK, "at no point did Google make us aware that it would be
scanning Wi-Fi too", says ICO spokesman Nick Day. The ICO says it is seeking
more information from Google, while Schaar is demanding that the firm delete
any Wi-Fi data collected "unlawfully".
Open up
Google's global privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, says the data protection
authorities were not informed of the Wi-Fi trawl because "this is all
publicly broadcast information which is accessible to anyone with a Wi-Fi
enabled device". No law prohibits its collection, he says. And unlike Street
View images, the Wi-Fi data will remain at the data centre providing the
mapping service, and will never to be published online, Fleischer says.
The data commissioners have not spelled out the risks of a leak from the
Wi-Fi database, and are unlikely to press for laws against Wi-Fi data
collection any time soon. But the outcry over Google's now not-so-secret
Wi-Fi database leads to a clear conclusion, says Simon Davies, head of
pressure group Privacy International. "Keeping the data collection secret
was a bad decision from a community relations perspective," he says.
Fleischer seems to agree. "It's clear with hindsight that greater
transparency would have been better," he says. When pushing technical
boundaries with other people's data, a little openness goes a long way.
Jon
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From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 11 12:00:37 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:00:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web pages
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hi All:
For all you web designer and programmers out there I have a question about
web paging.
What is the best method for paging through a web site?
There is of course the rudimentary method of going from page to page...
clicking on some object and the window is refreshed with a new html page.
This has its benefits as it is simple to manage and design.
The other common methods that I have used are the InnerHTML, the IFrame and
the Switch Off and On method.
1. The InnerHTML method:
I use this traditionally when retrieving data from various sources,
re-formatting it and then pushing update between a couple of DIV tags. Its
good for allowing great flexibility but it can eat the cycles.
2. The Iframe method:
This seems to work best when retrieving a fairly static page and then
presenting it with the Iframe box. It is good for allowing whole page to be
presented within a single square but it is difficult to allow the passing of
parameters from the inner to outer parts of the window.
3. The Switch Off and On method:
The display data is hidden on the current page but by clicking on an object
its display can be turned off or on. This method is good for fast popup type
displays but it does make the page large and therefore slower to download.
There may be other methods or variation on a theme and techniques that I am
unaware of. All comments, suggestions and observation would be appreciated
MTIA
Jim
From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 12 12:09:58 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:09:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure
it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
with-insane-build-quali/
On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop
or a server case.
Jim
From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 10:02:27 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:02:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
Message-ID:
Hello Friends
My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps
website, www.caitlinbreen.com.
She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving
them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea
being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you
get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that
she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex
as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them.
If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one,
please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet.
Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate.
I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members
are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from
"abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your
attention :).
Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on
AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course.
Thanks a lot,
Mark Breen
Ireland
From garykjos at gmail.com Thu May 13 10:15:08 2010
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:15:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hi Mark,
No problem with the posting. Sounds like fun.
GK
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Friends
>
> My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps
> website, www.caitlinbreen.com.
>
> She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving
> them to friends in school. ?She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. ?The idea
> being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you
> get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. ?On her site, you can see that
> she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex
> as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them.
>
> If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one,
> please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet.
>
> Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate.
>
> I hope it is OK to include this on the list. ?As most of the list members
> are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from
> "abroad". ?You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your
> attention :).
>
> Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on
> AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
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From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 13 10:59:14 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:59:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <8FB51330CD154AFE8A98734410EA0F2E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Hi Mark:
Oh that is terribly cute. My daughters at her age would have loved it! Tell
her she has an excellent site. (Better than a lot of so called profession
sites out there...)
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Discussion concerning Visual
Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
Hello Friends
My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps
website, www.caitlinbreen.com.
She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving
them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea
being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you
get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that
she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex
as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them.
If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one,
please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet.
Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate.
I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members
are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from
"abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your
attention :).
Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on
AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course.
Thanks a lot,
Mark Breen
Ireland
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From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 13:38:07 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:38:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID:
Hello All,
I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and
woke up this morning still thinking about it.
Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work.
I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently
purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive
plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with
independant PSU etc.
So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no
cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would
not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero
complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600.
We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB
and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a
credit card for the drives and nothing else.
It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB of
storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just sharing
the experience.
Mark
On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure
> it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
> with-insane-build-quali/
>
> On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop
> or a server case.
>
> Jim
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 13:39:13 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:39:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Hello All,
just FYI,
I messed up the email, so if you wrote to Caitlin within the last few hours,
you probably got a bounce, it is fixed now, sorry about that,
thanks again,
Mark
On 13 May 2010 16:02, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Friends
>
> My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps
> website, www.caitlinbreen.com.
>
> She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving
> them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea
> being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you
> get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that
> she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex
> as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them.
>
> If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one,
> please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet.
>
> Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate.
>
> I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members
> are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from
> "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your
> attention :).
>
> Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on
> AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
>
From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 13 14:16:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:16:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To:
References:
<34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Hi Mark:
Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route. You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put.
Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
Hello All,
I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and
woke up this morning still thinking about it.
Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work.
I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently
purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive
plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with
independant PSU etc.
So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no
cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would
not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero
complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600.
We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB
and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a
credit card for the drives and nothing else.
It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB of
storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just sharing
the experience.
Mark
On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure
> it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
> with-insane-build-quali/
>
> On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop
> or a server case.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jerbach at gmail.com Thu May 13 16:04:51 2010
From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:04:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Mark -
I read your email to MY 11 year old daughter, and showed her the wristlets.
She was thrilled about the whole idea (especially that they would be coming
from Ireland) and so I am going to ermail Caitlin right now and make our
request. What a neat thing - thanks for sharing it with the forum!
Janet Erbach
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Friends
>
> My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps
> website, www.caitlinbreen.com.
>
> She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving
> them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea
> being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you
> get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that
> she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex
> as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them.
>
> If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one,
> please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet.
>
> Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate.
>
> I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members
> are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from
> "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your
> attention :).
>
> Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on
> AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of
> course.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat May 15 11:06:55 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:06:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rubik's Cube Robot
Message-ID:
At an Intel Science fair, 2 guys unveiled their robot that solves the
puzzle. I'm not talking a simulated cube. The real cube!
http://www.zdnet.com/photos/big-ideas-on-display-at-intel-science-fair-photos/423881?seq=9&tag=mantle_skin;content
Very cool!
From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon May 17 07:15:32 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:15:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To: <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID:
Hello Jim,
I might have mis-led you.
We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site
also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU
chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk.
In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB
and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it
works, so all are happy.
It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a
16 GB project !
Thanks
Mark
On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Mark:
>
> Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to
> upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use
> an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new
> one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route.
> You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put.
>
> Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
>
> Hello All,
>
> I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and
> woke up this morning still thinking about it.
>
> Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work.
>
> I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently
> purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive
> plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with
> independant PSU etc.
>
> So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no
> cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would
> not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero
> complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600.
> We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB
> and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a
> credit card for the drives and nothing else.
>
> It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB
> of
> storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just
> sharing
> the experience.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am
> sure
> > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
> > with-insane-build-quali/
> >
> > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall
> desktop
> > or a server case.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 17 13:31:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:31:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Hi Mark:
Ahhh, oh I see. So how did you set up this backup project? Did you build it yourself or go with an off the shelf solution?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
Hello Jim,
I might have mis-led you.
We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site
also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU
chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk.
In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB
and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it
works, so all are happy.
It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a
16 GB project !
Thanks
Mark
On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Mark:
>
> Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to
> upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use
> an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new
> one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route.
> You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put.
>
> Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
>
> Hello All,
>
> I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and
> woke up this morning still thinking about it.
>
> Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work.
>
> I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently
> purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive
> plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with
> independant PSU etc.
>
> So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no
> cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would
> not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero
> complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600.
> We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB
> and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a
> credit card for the drives and nothing else.
>
> It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB
> of
> storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just
> sharing
> the experience.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am
> sure
> > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
> > with-insane-build-quali/
> >
> > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall
> desktop
> > or a server case.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue May 18 05:07:09 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:07:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
In-Reply-To: <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID:
Hello Jim,
I just use DeltaCopy, since Gustav showed us how to handle long file names I
love it again,
but as Gustav pointed out, you do have to be careful when you rename a
folder, otherwise you can fill up your destination drive quickly. Don't ask
me how I know ;)
Mark
On 17 May 2010 19:31, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Mark:
>
> Ahhh, oh I see. So how did you set up this backup project? Did you build it
> yourself or go with an off the shelf solution?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:16 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> I might have mis-led you.
>
> We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site
> also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU
> chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk.
>
> In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB
> and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it
> works, so all are happy.
>
> It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a
> 16 GB project !
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark:
> >
> > Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to
> > upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just
> use
> > an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a
> new
> > one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that
> route.
> > You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put.
> >
> > Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night
> and
> > woke up this morning still thinking about it.
> >
> > Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work.
> >
> > I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently
> > purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive
> > plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with
> > independant PSU etc.
> >
> > So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with
> no
> > cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It
> would
> > not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero
> > complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for
> ?1600.
> > We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16
> TB
> > and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a
> > credit card for the drives and nothing else.
> >
> > It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB
> > of
> > storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just
> > sharing
> > the experience.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am
> > sure
> > > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth
> watering.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition-
> > > with-insane-build-quali/
> > >
> > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall
> > desktop
> > > or a server case.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 19 08:13:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 06:13:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Google email equivalent to Outlook and enterprise
ready?
In-Reply-To:
References:
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<3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Google has just announce an upgrade to it Gmail offering and API that will
extend the product into the functionality of full featured Enterprise mail
server.
Whether it is equivalent to Microsoft's Exchange server is yet to be seen
but few compadres are already working on install the product on client's
sites to evaluate this low cost alternative will have all the power needed.
Google and Microsoft are working towards the same functionality but by
different methods. Microsoft is developing through the cloud type apps that
will extend the reach of basically desktop applications while Google is
attempting to develop web based apps as function as desktop ones.
Microsoft relies on single fee desktop application and Google is working on
the pay as you go type model.
Check out Google's API challenge to Microsoft's Exchange Server/Outlook
client:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/05/gmail-as-platform-for-enterpr
i.php
Jim
From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 19 09:54:47 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:54:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Parallelism
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Message-ID: <4A52241149474D76AA93A21F31C31BDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Hi All:
A couple of nights ago, I went to a series of lectures given by a fellow
named Tiberiu Covaci, Swedish owner of a company called Multi-Core and he is
now doing a tour as a trainer for Microsoft. (His next lecture stop will be
in New Orleans.)
His training lecture was on Parallelism. The first lecture covered the basic
concepts of computers and their new multi-core design, a design made
necessary as single core computers ran into the physical wall as of 2005. He
then went on to describe the attempts by developers to utilize these new
multi-core systems. It has been a slow process as you can imagine.
The rudimentary attempts of threading and hyper-threading were far from
successful. First a single thread will consume up to 200 cycles just to get
substantiated and its deployment still requires the central CPU and to spawn
hundreds of threads, in a pool and then there was the issues of
synchronizing the process results. Even the best developed multi-threaded
applications, like MS SQL 2005 could over-load a computer when challenged by
a heavy duty task. MS even went so far as to apply a system lock when
performing resource heavy jobs... that means all other functionality on the
server would cease... no multi-tasking, until the job was completed... even
then sometimes a process would freeze up a server. (We have all heard of
that exact situation from a number of our DBA members.)
Our lecturer had designed a couple of short programs to showed how
multi-threading was implemented and then demonstrated how these apps when
over-loaded would crash or lock out the system. He used a Quick-sort, demo
while splitting it into multiple pieces, multi-threading it and slowly
increasing the sort data showed a 30 percent gain per thread and a 70
percent gain per core (maximum gain) but it also showed virtually not
performance loss as the data increased (10 to 100 million records) until the
process locked up the CPU. We watched the system progress via the Task
Manger's CPU display.
Lecture two; enter Parallelism. This process has being developed on the
latest versions of Java and .Net frame work (4 or greater). He demonstrated
two new core features/objects Parallel and Task. Using Parallelism requires
a bit to decompose a problem into its components. He used an example of a
recipe where a number of steps was required from initial preparation, to the
cooking and to the table. The program which ended calculating the time was
initially designed in a standard C# routine.
The app was then recoded using Parallel running tasks. Each task can run
independently, but wait for a process to be completed if required by
scheduling, monitoring a semaphore, event, state and/or wait loops. We also
covered how to handle synchronization, data sharing and how to avoid
deadlocks. By using pararllelism the meal was completed in half the time...
It showed how 6 people could do a job faster than one... now that's obvious
but maybe not so obvious with a computer application.
The most telling observation was when viewing the Task Manger's CPU display.
No matter how heavy the requirements that were imposed on the system, the
CPU demand remained very low and flat and each core showed an even
distribution of utilization.
I was totally impressed. Now I know how such super databases as Cassandra,
using Java Parallelism works. My suggestion to all those of you using MS SQL
2005 or less; "Bail out quick and get you hands on the latest MS SQL...
there will be no comparison in performance."
A couple of recommended books on the subject are:
"Patterns of Parallel Processing" and
"Concurrent Programming on Windows"
The latest .Net has all these features built in...just ready to use.
Jim
From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 09:05:48 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g.
folder name: mreid
new folder name: M Reid
There are a number of folders in the directory
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
_
From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu May 20 09:12:15 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:12:15 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
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I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g.
folder name: mreid
new folder name: M Reid
There are a number of folders in the directory
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 09:32:45 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:32:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
In-Reply-To:
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Jon
I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname.
eg
mreid
rreid
ereid
I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc
first letter space then surname
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough [jon.tydda at lonza.com]
Sent: 20 May 2010 15:12
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g.
folder name: mreid
new folder name: M Reid
There are a number of folders in the directory
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu May 20 09:50:52 2010
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
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References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C364@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID:
Oh, so they're not user profile folders? In that case yes, you should be able to change the folder names.
I'm not a coder, so I'm not sure how you'd do it though. I know, not a lot of help! :-)
Jon
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Sent: 20 May 2010 15:33
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Jon
I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname.
eg
mreid
rreid
ereid
I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc
first letter space then surname
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
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Sent: 20 May 2010 15:12
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g.
folder name: mreid
new folder name: M Reid
There are a number of folders in the directory
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:58:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Message-ID: <380-22010542014586532@M2W125.mail2web.com>
Martin:
I recently made a similar inquiry about a client who wanted to move a
folder from one location to another. I'm not home (in Yosemite for a few
days actually) but it should be in the archive. Turned out to be a one
liner - a VBA command I never knew about. If you don't get this solved by
the weekend, I'll look it up when I get home.
Wait a minute...I have the program here on my laptop. The
line reads:
Name Me.txtSourceFolder As Me.txtTargetFolder & "\" & strFolderToMove
I think that NAME command will work for you. It has the effect of moving
an entire folder somewhere but may work for renaming as well. Let me know.
Rocky
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From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:48 +0100
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g.
folder name: mreid
new folder name: M Reid
There are a number of folders in the directory
Martin
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From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 20 10:04:27 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:04:27 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Message-ID:
Hi Martin
Try with
Name "mreid" As "M Reid"
or rather:
Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid"
The new name can be build this way:
strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase)
/gustav
>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>>
Jon
I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname.
eg
mreid
rreid
ereid
I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc
first letter space then surname
Martin
From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 10:29:26 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:29:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C36A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Thanks Gustav
Sorry I amnot being very clear. I have to do this out in Windows as opposed to Access!
Sorry for confusion.
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock [Gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 20 May 2010 16:04
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Hi Martin
Try with
Name "mreid" As "M Reid"
or rather:
Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid"
The new name can be build this way:
strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase)
/gustav
>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>>
Jon
I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname.
eg
mreid
rreid
ereid
I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc
first letter space then surname
Martin
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From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 20 10:37:04 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:37:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Message-ID:
Hi Martin
It should be transferable to VbScript with little modification. Don't know about PowerShell.
/gustav
>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 17:29 >>>
Thanks Gustav
Sorry I amnot being very clear. I have to do this out in Windows as opposed to Access!
Sorry for confusion.
Martin
Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock [Gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 20 May 2010 16:04
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code
Hi Martin
Try with
Name "mreid" As "M Reid"
or rather:
Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid"
The new name can be build this way:
strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase)
/gustav
>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>>
Jon
I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname.
eg
mreid
rreid
ereid
I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc
first letter space then surname
Martin
From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 20 11:15:34 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:15:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Did you know?
When playing a video on YouTude you can actually set the time position that
the video will start by adding the minute and second position to the link
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrpeZHWrx5Q#t=3m16s
Jim
From john at winhaven.net Thu May 20 12:17:39 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:17:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
Wow, how timely, last night I was wondering if I could do this! - Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know?
Did you know?
When playing a video on YouTude you can actually set the time position that
the video will start by adding the minute and second position to the link
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrpeZHWrx5Q#t=3m16s
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From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 20 21:07:21 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
In-Reply-To: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
References:
<001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
Message-ID: <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
But what do I know?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
Jim
From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Fri May 21 00:15:32 2010
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 01:15:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
References: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
<877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway>
Oh, you're talking about SkyNet, huh?
Michael R Mattys
Business Process Developers
www.mattysconsulting.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:07 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
>I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
> be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
> software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
> thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
>
> if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
> have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
> given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
> But what do I know?
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
>
> Jim
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 21 10:13:57 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:13:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Message-ID: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com>
Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an
error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The
cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission
critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups
regularly).
The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering
those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold
probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with
government contracts enough to know the routine.
ROcky
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From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
But what do I know?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 21 11:21:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
In-Reply-To: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <91A7CC79C2044CC3AE3B1F68F860F448@creativesystemdesigns.com>
I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that.
First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems,
just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of
developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible.
Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it,
why change things.
Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the
desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but
when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a
reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers.
(In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a
2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there.
Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical.
The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made?
OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen
real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new
Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the
amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of
this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it
own nearly unbelievable statistics.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an
error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The
cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission
critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups
regularly).
The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering
those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold
probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with
government contracts enough to know the routine.
ROcky
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
But what do I know?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 21 12:45:30 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:45:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
In-Reply-To: <74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway>
References:
<001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
<877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway>
Message-ID: <0564185556EE43A7878EE527C5B8AD41@creativesystemdesigns.com>
You mean MSNet don't you? ;-)
Jim
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Oh, you're talking about SkyNet, huh?
Michael R Mattys
Business Process Developers
www.mattysconsulting.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:07 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
>I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
> be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
> software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
> thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
>
> if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
> have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
> given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
> But what do I know?
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
>
> Jim
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 21 21:02:12 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:02:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Message-ID: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com>
"If the cost of
developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible. "
But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes
represents a signifncant opportunity cost.
"support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
and just another revenue stream "
Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect
Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support
costs.
Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle
systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like
Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which
might smoke out incompatibilities with their system.
Rocky
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
" cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would
take to perfect - there's a big opportunity
I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that.
First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems,
just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of
developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible.
Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it,
why change things.
Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the
desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but
when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a
reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers.
(In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a
2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there.
Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical.
The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made?
OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen
real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new
Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the
amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of
this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it
own nearly unbelievable statistics.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an
error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The
cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission
critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups
regularly).
The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering
those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold
probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with
government contracts enough to know the routine.
ROcky
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
But what do I know?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
Jim
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From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 22 07:29:04 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:29:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
In-Reply-To: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com>
Message-ID:
While I found it disheartening when it was said to me six years ago, I
suppose I have to accept it as one answer to this question
I asked someone why most software was poor, and he answered
"good enough is good enough"
Does that answer the question about Windows Vs the Shuttle software?
I have to say again, I find it upsetting but it may be true.
Mark
On 22 May 2010 03:02, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
> "If the cost of
> developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal
> almost
> to the point of imperceptible. "
>
> But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes
> represents a signifncant opportunity cost.
>
>
> "support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
> and just another revenue stream "
>
> Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect
> Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support
> costs.
>
> Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle
> systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like
> Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which
> might smoke out incompatibilities with their system.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
> " cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
> to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would
> take to perfect - there's a big opportunity
>
> I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that.
>
> First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems,
> just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of
> developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal
> almost
> to the point of imperceptible.
>
> Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major
> business
> and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it,
> why change things.
>
> Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the
> desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems
> but
> when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a
> reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers.
> (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a
> 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there.
> Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical.
>
> The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made?
> OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen
> real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new
> Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the
> amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of
> this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it
> own nearly unbelievable statistics.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM
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>
> Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an
> error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The
> cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission
> critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups
> regularly).
>
> The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering
> those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold
> probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with
> government contracts enough to know the routine.
>
> ROcky
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
>
>
> I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
> be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
> software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
> thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
>
> if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
> have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
> given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
> But what do I know?
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
>
> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca Sat May 22 12:26:08 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:26:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
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That is my point... there simply is no reason to produce an excellent
product when a imperfect one will do just fine. ...but I can dream can I
not?
Jim
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rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:02 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
"If the cost of
developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible. "
But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes
represents a signifncant opportunity cost.
"support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
and just another revenue stream "
Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect
Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support
costs.
Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle
systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like
Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which
might smoke out incompatibilities with their system.
Rocky
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
" cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would
take to perfect - there's a big opportunity
I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that.
First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems,
just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of
developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost
to the point of imperceptible.
Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business
and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it,
why change things.
Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the
desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but
when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a
reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers.
(In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a
2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there.
Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical.
The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made?
OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen
real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new
Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the
amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of
this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it
own nearly unbelievable statistics.
Jim
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an
error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The
cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission
critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups
regularly).
The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering
those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold
probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with
government contracts enough to know the routine.
ROcky
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard?
I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows
be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other
software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because
thousands of jobs depend on those errors?
if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they
have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if
given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug?
But what do I know?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0
Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 27 09:47:05 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:47:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages
In-Reply-To: <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References:
<001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net>
<877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there?
Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been created
by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most
were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical,
engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped.
When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly
downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even ending
up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a
handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun but
it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over a
hundred and then they will be truly screwed.
When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net
flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of the
solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming
languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-)
http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/
Enjoy
Jim
From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu May 27 16:33:48 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:33:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages
In-Reply-To: <40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: ,
<877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
<40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
How can he not have included brainf*ck :-)
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/
And for less esoteric, how about ASIC? Only 80 commands, but you could d a lot with it.
I actually wrote a few useful programs in it including a TSR Popup Calendar. Talk about
small executables - optimising code then was a challenge of reducing the executable by
single bytes :-)
http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/asicinfo.htm
--
Stuart
On 27 May 2010 at 7:47, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there?
> Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been created
> by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most
> were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical,
> engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped.
>
> When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly
> downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even ending
> up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a
> handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun but
> it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over a
> hundred and then they will be truly screwed.
>
> When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net
> flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of the
> solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming
> languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-)
>
> http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/
>
> Enjoy
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 27 17:49:13 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:49:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages
In-Reply-To: <4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References:
<877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
<4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <570699E59E2D47BF9155B19366502384@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Oh that is hilarious... Muppetlabs no less. I must warn you I will share
this. I have some geeky friends who would pass a sandwich through their nose
if they read the write up on BF.
Reading up on ASIC makes me remember all the levels of compiling and linking
libraries that had to be done when doing programming... we are so spoiled
today with almost instant error gratification... the error results are
actually readable. In those days you had to go though a whole series of
scripts and it took about 30 minutes to realize you were screwed. Errors
would show up in multiple ways; sometimes a compiler error message,
sometimes the compiler would just quit and sometimes your whole computer
would lock up. ;-)
Jim
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:34 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages
How can he not have included brainf*ck :-)
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/
And for less esoteric, how about ASIC? Only 80 commands, but you could d a
lot with it.
I actually wrote a few useful programs in it including a TSR Popup Calendar.
Talk about
small executables - optimising code then was a challenge of reducing the
executable by
single bytes :-)
http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/asicinfo.htm
--
Stuart
On 27 May 2010 at 7:47, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there?
> Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been
created
> by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most
> were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical,
> engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped.
>
> When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly
> downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even
ending
> up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a
> handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun
but
> it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over
a
> hundred and then they will be truly screwed.
>
> When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net
> flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of
the
> solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming
> languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-)
>
> http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/
>
> Enjoy
> Jim
>
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