From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue May 4 22:15:36 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:15:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Upload speed Message-ID: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005> Dear List: I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site backup. But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload at around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's cool with them - talk to the host. Any ideas how I could up my upload speed? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue May 4 23:06:10 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 14:06:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed In-Reply-To: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005> References: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Are you sure Filezilla is showing Kbps (kilobits per second) and not KBps (Kilobytes per second). FTP programs usually show the latter and 900Kbps speed will give you an effective 60-90KBps allowing for overheads. -- Stuart On 4 May 2010 at 20:15, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a > repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of > service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site > backup. > > But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload at > around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of > choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from > their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's cool > with them - talk to the host. > > Any ideas how I could up my upload speed? > > > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue May 4 23:22:34 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:22:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed In-Reply-To: <4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <29B5382466044D2484322A9F3E19EE3A@HAL9005> <4BE0EEB2.3001.10CF60CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Yeah, KB/s, kilobytes per second. Looking at the live transfers now I jumps from ~20 to ~120, but averages around 30KB/s. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:06 PM To: discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Upload speed Are you sure Filezilla is showing Kbps (kilobits per second) and not KBps (Kilobytes per second). FTP programs usually show the latter and 900Kbps speed will give you an effective 60-90KBps allowing for overheads. -- Stuart On 4 May 2010 at 20:15, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I got street legal with GoDaddy (found out that using my web site as a > repository for files, as off-site backup, was a violation of the terms of > service. Who knew?) and bought 100GB of space for $29 a year for off-site > backup. > > But the upload speed is pretty slow. Although Speakeasy shows my upload at > around 900 Kbps the upload through Filezilla - my current FTP program of > choice - shows 60-90 Kbps. I asked GoDaddy and they said no problem from > their side - talk to the ISP. Of course, Road Runner says everything's cool > with them - talk to the host. > > Any ideas how I could up my upload speed? > > > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 09:03:18 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:03:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Ubuntu Linix 10.4 has been filling the bloggs and tech sites In-Reply-To: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Here is a sample of some of the posts out there. This particular distribution from Ubuntu has caught the eye of many in the commentators and not just the geek squad... though they are definitely there. Here is a new article asking whether Ubuntu is more Mac like than Mac: http://theappleblog.com/2010/05/06/does-ubuntu-capture-the-mac-vision-and-sp irit-better-than-mac-os-x >From TechRepublic a general article on 10 things newbies should understand about Linux: http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-13583-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=330269&me ssageID=3288216&tag=leftCol;post-1507 also this article above makes reference to the concept of 'pager'. No, it is not for sending messages to your cell phone. It should be decribed as simply multi-desktops. It is great feature for those of us who have 20 things and 3 projects going on symaltaneously and need to keep our universe organized: http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-13583-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=330269&me ssageID=3288216&tag=leftCol;post-1507 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 09:25:36 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:25:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A couple of great articles on latest and greatest In-Reply-To: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <859DF60D72824AE0930E35D9D5B5C070@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <80A9CCEB7CDF43A4AF4FACB36ECB3071@creativesystemdesigns.com> For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet tabyte Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our standard SQLs. http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the hardware to manage it's self. Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri May 7 12:55:27 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:55:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on latest and greatest) Message-ID: Hi Jim It is not easy to get hold on this monster. Here are some useful links I found: WTF is a SuperColumn? An Intro to the Cassandra Data Model: http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model Cassandra Jump Start For The Windows Developer: http://www.coderjournal.com/2010/03/cassandra-jump-start-for-the-windows-developer/ Thrift Wiki. Basic requirements for win32: http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/ThriftInstallationWin32 Nick Berardi's managedfusion / fluentcassandra: FluentCassandra is a .NET library for accessing Cassandra, which wraps the Thrift client library and provides a more fluent POCO interface for accessing and querying the objects in Cassandra. http://github.com/managedfusion/fluentcassandra/blob/master/README.mkd#readme Nick Berardi's C# CasandraDemo: https://code.google.com/p/coderjournal/source/browse/trunk/Posts/2010/03/CassandraDemo.cs So much to read and learn ... /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-05-2010 16:25 >>> For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet tabyte Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our standard SQLs. http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the hardware to manage it's self. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri May 7 14:54:14 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:54:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> I am doing some SharePoint work for someone Windows Service 2008 New AD Accounts added to Domain User None of the accounts can log in. Administrator accounts can log in. At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps. Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one. Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 20:29:15 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:29:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on latest andgreatest) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks a lot for this research, Gustav. I have been holding off any software developments and experiments until my Web server has a new motherboard and memory. Anything else major will have to wait until the winter now as my calendar is starting to fill up. ...but I will definitely flag this for further review. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:55 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Cassandra (was: A couple of great articles on latest andgreatest) Hi Jim It is not easy to get hold on this monster. Here are some useful links I found: WTF is a SuperColumn? An Intro to the Cassandra Data Model: http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model Cassandra Jump Start For The Windows Developer: http://www.coderjournal.com/2010/03/cassandra-jump-start-for-the-windows-dev eloper/ Thrift Wiki. Basic requirements for win32: http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/ThriftInstallationWin32 Nick Berardi's managedfusion / fluentcassandra: FluentCassandra is a .NET library for accessing Cassandra, which wraps the Thrift client library and provides a more fluent POCO interface for accessing and querying the objects in Cassandra. http://github.com/managedfusion/fluentcassandra/blob/master/README.mkd#readm e Nick Berardi's C# CasandraDemo: https://code.google.com/p/coderjournal/source/browse/trunk/Posts/2010/03/Cas sandraDemo.cs So much to read and learn ... /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-05-2010 16:25 >>> For a brief moment there Terabyte was the size ultimate but that point passed quickly and the computer world went on to Pentabyte; well that point of ultimate has now again been surpassed as we have Zettabytes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/03/humanity-digital-output-zet tabyte Some latest information from some who have been experimenting with the new super database called Cassandra. Notice through the performances trials the CPU utilization remains flat! The team pushed the product to see where better utilization could be achieved and noted setting caching would help performance... But keep in mind this DBs performance is so far beyond our standard SQLs. http://jamesgolick.com/2010/4/4/two-weeks-with-cassandra.html An aside: It will be a while before the hard drive bottle-neck is really fully resolved. Right now splitting a data store across numerous drives, all indexed and cashed is the only way to lessen the performance pain. That is why the new breed of distributive databases are so fast because they manage the hardware layer so well. Our current crop of standard SQLs just leave the hardware to manage it's self. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 7 20:34:46 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:34:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Martin: If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to. Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume before the system can work correctly. http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from -active-directory HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory I am doing some SharePoint work for someone Windows Service 2008 New AD Accounts added to Domain User None of the accounts can log in. Administrator accounts can log in. At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps. Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one. Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat May 8 02:53:35 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:53:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory In-Reply-To: <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Jim We got it working. Not to sure what was happing. Took out the AD accounts and then readded them and all was well. I have seen this in work before where SIDs got corrupted. Biggest issue with SharePoint is that it touches so much other software and systems. No one knows them all (<: Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence [accessd at shaw.ca] Sent: 08 May 2010 02:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory Hi Martin: If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to. Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume before the system can work correctly. http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from -active-directory HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory I am doing some SharePoint work for someone Windows Service 2008 New AD Accounts added to Domain User None of the accounts can log in. Administrator accounts can log in. At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps. Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one. Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat May 8 08:48:15 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 06:48:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B595@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <91C72E7EE6C44D0CA71A4CE87B78B23A@creativesystemdesigns.com> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469E80B59D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Martin: That is good to hear that you got all the pieces working. I have had so many issues with AD over the years. It is amazing how far its control stretches across a network and what odd problems it can cause if not configured property. The main thing is you got it working. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory Jim We got it working. Not to sure what was happing. Took out the AD accounts and then readded them and all was well. I have seen this in work before where SIDs got corrupted. Biggest issue with SharePoint is that it touches so much other software and systems. No one knows them all (<: Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence [accessd at shaw.ca] Sent: 08 May 2010 02:34 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Active Directory Hi Martin: If I had had a problem with SharePoint you are the man I would have gone to. Whether the following link is the answer of not, I do not know. It does suggest that the AD settings must be imported into Share Point... I assume before the system can work correctly. http://vspug.com/ajaybawa/2006/09/25/moss-2007-user-and-profiles-import-from -active-directory HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Active Directory I am doing some SharePoint work for someone Windows Service 2008 New AD Accounts added to Domain User None of the accounts can log in. Administrator accounts can log in. At the moment we access SharePoint on the DC if that helps. Figured be quicker to email group than fight with this one. Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 10 00:11:20 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:11:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A Fast Wait-Free Hash Table In-Reply-To: References: <386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005> Message-ID: How do these super fast databases work? Super databases like 'Cassandra'. Through a single system with a single CPU the process is fairly straight forward but now add multiple CPUs and to that the potential of multiple computers. The question is can multi-threaded applications be designed, that can grow in real-time, potentially have unlimited data and still perform at super speeds? The whole operation hinges on the ability of a system to generate unique hash key pairs at incredible speed and the subsequent ability to retrieve information via those keys. The following link is to a series of YouTube lectures given at Stanford University, some by Cliff Click, a senior developer for the Azul project (http://www.ccpalma.com). He gives the coding examples in Java but they are still easy to follow as the code is kept simple and VB/C like. In conclusion this links to a great series lectures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYXgtXWejRM Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 10 17:03:30 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:03:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New unstoppable malware on the horizon In-Reply-To: References: <386C9B6DF71A4523858967C65AD50030@HAL9005> Message-ID: <50437C7E0164474A8DB4BEE7D111F0C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Now that most of our new computers are multi-cored and capable of running processes in parallel, it appears, unfortunately that most of our software has not taken advance of this new capability or do most programmers even know how to. Here in lies the danger. Our best virus protection software is just designed for single core processes. A company has pointed out the weakness to our situation and how to take advantage of it. It works like the old bait and switch routine. While the current protection software is busy validating some innocuous file or software the malware is busy pushing a zombie through via a parallel process. Very slick: http://www.matousec.com/info/articles/khobe-8.0-earthquake-for-windows-deskt op-security-software.php Now that the knowledge of how to build unstoppable malware is out there how long do we have to wait until our protection software is ready to stop the inevitable flood? Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue May 11 03:44:32 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:44:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google Message-ID: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18844-innovation-the-wifi-database-that-shamed-google.html By now, most of us in the US, the UK and Australia, plus many elsewhere in Europe, have got used to the fact that images of almost every house on every street are available online for all to see via the Street View facility in Google Maps. But last week many were shocked to learn that while the advertising giant's camera-equipped cars were zipping past our front doors, they were not just collecting panoramic photos. Wi-Fi antennas on the cars were hunting down wireless computer networks, and equipment inside was recording the networks' names, locations and the unique MAC address of the routers supporting them. The revelation has, not for the first time, prompted a wave of accusations that Google doesn't care about privacy anywhere near enough. Map maker Google says it has collected the data in order to improve the accuracy with which smartphones can pinpoint their location on Google Maps, especially in city centres where GPS may be unreliable. Cellphone mapping apps can improve matters by drawing on knowledge of which cellphone tower the phone is in contact with, but Google realised that even greater accuracy is possible if the phone can note details of nearby wireless routers. The server supplying Google Maps to the phone can then calculate a precise position. Millions of smartphone users worldwide have already benefited from Google's database, which has been live in the US since late 2007. Not so strange Google is not alone in gathering Wi-Fi data for location purposes. Skyhook Wireless of Boston uses Wi-Fi-scanning cars to provide a similar service, which is used by the default mapping app on some Motorola phones. Although Google has not made any particular effort to keep its data-gathering activities secret, neither has it declared what it has been doing. It was not until last week that Germany's Federal Commissioner for Data Protection, Peter Schaar, discovered that Street View cars operating in Germany were harvesting Wi-Fi data. He says he had not been made aware of this when he granted Google permission to take photographs for Street View. In the UK, the Information Commissioner's Office was similarly surprised. Though the commissioner had met Google before Street View cars began patrolling the UK, "at no point did Google make us aware that it would be scanning Wi-Fi too", says ICO spokesman Nick Day. The ICO says it is seeking more information from Google, while Schaar is demanding that the firm delete any Wi-Fi data collected "unlawfully". Open up Google's global privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, says the data protection authorities were not informed of the Wi-Fi trawl because "this is all publicly broadcast information which is accessible to anyone with a Wi-Fi enabled device". No law prohibits its collection, he says. And unlike Street View images, the Wi-Fi data will remain at the data centre providing the mapping service, and will never to be published online, Fleischer says. The data commissioners have not spelled out the risks of a leak from the Wi-Fi database, and are unlikely to press for laws against Wi-Fi data collection any time soon. But the outcry over Google's now not-so-secret Wi-Fi database leads to a clear conclusion, says Simon Davies, head of pressure group Privacy International. "Keeping the data collection secret was a bad decision from a community relations perspective," he says. Fleischer seems to agree. "It's clear with hindsight that greater transparency would have been better," he says. When pushing technical boundaries with other people's data, a little openness goes a long way. Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 11 08:38:14 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am sure only the UK government would be interested in that data. Maybe I should ask the UK government for pictures of my trip as I am sure they have a better record than I do. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Innovation: The Wi-Fi database that shamed Google http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18844-innovation-the-wifi-database-tha t-shamed-google.html By now, most of us in the US, the UK and Australia, plus many elsewhere in Europe, have got used to the fact that images of almost every house on every street are available online for all to see via the Street View facility in Google Maps. But last week many were shocked to learn that while the advertising giant's camera-equipped cars were zipping past our front doors, they were not just collecting panoramic photos. Wi-Fi antennas on the cars were hunting down wireless computer networks, and equipment inside was recording the networks' names, locations and the unique MAC address of the routers supporting them. The revelation has, not for the first time, prompted a wave of accusations that Google doesn't care about privacy anywhere near enough. Map maker Google says it has collected the data in order to improve the accuracy with which smartphones can pinpoint their location on Google Maps, especially in city centres where GPS may be unreliable. Cellphone mapping apps can improve matters by drawing on knowledge of which cellphone tower the phone is in contact with, but Google realised that even greater accuracy is possible if the phone can note details of nearby wireless routers. The server supplying Google Maps to the phone can then calculate a precise position. Millions of smartphone users worldwide have already benefited from Google's database, which has been live in the US since late 2007. Not so strange Google is not alone in gathering Wi-Fi data for location purposes. Skyhook Wireless of Boston uses Wi-Fi-scanning cars to provide a similar service, which is used by the default mapping app on some Motorola phones. Although Google has not made any particular effort to keep its data-gathering activities secret, neither has it declared what it has been doing. It was not until last week that Germany's Federal Commissioner for Data Protection, Peter Schaar, discovered that Street View cars operating in Germany were harvesting Wi-Fi data. He says he had not been made aware of this when he granted Google permission to take photographs for Street View. In the UK, the Information Commissioner's Office was similarly surprised. Though the commissioner had met Google before Street View cars began patrolling the UK, "at no point did Google make us aware that it would be scanning Wi-Fi too", says ICO spokesman Nick Day. The ICO says it is seeking more information from Google, while Schaar is demanding that the firm delete any Wi-Fi data collected "unlawfully". Open up Google's global privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, says the data protection authorities were not informed of the Wi-Fi trawl because "this is all publicly broadcast information which is accessible to anyone with a Wi-Fi enabled device". No law prohibits its collection, he says. And unlike Street View images, the Wi-Fi data will remain at the data centre providing the mapping service, and will never to be published online, Fleischer says. The data commissioners have not spelled out the risks of a leak from the Wi-Fi database, and are unlikely to press for laws against Wi-Fi data collection any time soon. But the outcry over Google's now not-so-secret Wi-Fi database leads to a clear conclusion, says Simon Davies, head of pressure group Privacy International. "Keeping the data collection secret was a bad decision from a community relations perspective," he says. Fleischer seems to agree. "It's clear with hindsight that greater transparency would have been better," he says. When pushing technical boundaries with other people's data, a little openness goes a long way. Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 11 12:00:37 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:00:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All: For all you web designer and programmers out there I have a question about web paging. What is the best method for paging through a web site? There is of course the rudimentary method of going from page to page... clicking on some object and the window is refreshed with a new html page. This has its benefits as it is simple to manage and design. The other common methods that I have used are the InnerHTML, the IFrame and the Switch Off and On method. 1. The InnerHTML method: I use this traditionally when retrieving data from various sources, re-formatting it and then pushing update between a couple of DIV tags. Its good for allowing great flexibility but it can eat the cycles. 2. The Iframe method: This seems to work best when retrieving a fairly static page and then presenting it with the Iframe box. It is good for allowing whole page to be presented within a single square but it is difficult to allow the passing of parameters from the inner to outer parts of the window. 3. The Switch Off and On method: The display data is hidden on the current page but by clicking on an object its display can be turned off or on. This method is good for fast popup type displays but it does make the page large and therefore slower to download. There may be other methods or variation on a theme and techniques that I am unaware of. All comments, suggestions and observation would be appreciated MTIA Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 12 12:09:58 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:09:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- with-insane-build-quali/ On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop or a server case. Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 10:02:27 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:02:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets Message-ID: Hello Friends My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps website, www.caitlinbreen.com. She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them. If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one, please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet. Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate. I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your attention :). Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course. Thanks a lot, Mark Breen Ireland From garykjos at gmail.com Thu May 13 10:15:08 2010 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, No problem with the posting. Sounds like fun. GK On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Friends > > My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps > website, www.caitlinbreen.com. > > She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving > them to friends in school. ?She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. ?The idea > being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you > get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. ?On her site, you can see that > she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex > as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them. > > If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one, > please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet. > > Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate. > > I hope it is OK to include this on the list. ?As most of the list members > are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from > "abroad". ?You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your > attention :). > > Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on > AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course. > > Thanks a lot, > > Mark Breen > Ireland > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 13 10:59:14 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:59:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FB51330CD154AFE8A98734410EA0F2E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: Oh that is terribly cute. My daughters at her age would have loved it! Tell her she has an excellent site. (Better than a lot of so called profession sites out there...) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets Hello Friends My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps website, www.caitlinbreen.com. She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them. If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one, please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet. Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate. I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your attention :). Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course. Thanks a lot, Mark Breen Ireland _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 13:38:07 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:38:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and woke up this morning still thinking about it. Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work. I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with independant PSU etc. So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600. We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a credit card for the drives and nothing else. It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB of storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just sharing the experience. Mark On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering. > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- > with-insane-build-quali/ > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop > or a server case. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu May 13 13:39:13 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:39:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, just FYI, I messed up the email, so if you wrote to Caitlin within the last few hours, you probably got a bounce, it is fixed now, sorry about that, thanks again, Mark On 13 May 2010 16:02, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Friends > > My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps > website, www.caitlinbreen.com. > > She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving > them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea > being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you > get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that > she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex > as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them. > > If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one, > please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet. > > Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate. > > I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members > are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from > "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your > attention :). > > Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on > AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of course. > > Thanks a lot, > > Mark Breen > Ireland > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 13 14:16:40 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:16:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route. You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put. Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system Hello All, I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and woke up this morning still thinking about it. Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work. I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with independant PSU etc. So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600. We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a credit card for the drives and nothing else. It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB of storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just sharing the experience. Mark On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am sure > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering. > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- > with-insane-build-quali/ > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall desktop > or a server case. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jerbach at gmail.com Thu May 13 16:04:51 2010 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:04:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Good Karma Wristlets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark - I read your email to MY 11 year old daughter, and showed her the wristlets. She was thrilled about the whole idea (especially that they would be coming from Ireland) and so I am going to ermail Caitlin right now and make our request. What a neat thing - thanks for sharing it with the forum! Janet Erbach On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Friends > > My 11 year old daughter named Caitlin has her own little Google Apps > website, www.caitlinbreen.com. > > She has recently been platting bracelets with some wool and has been giving > them to friends in school. She calls them Good Karma Wristlets. The idea > being she gives them for free and you receive them for free, but when you > get one, you have to pass on the Good Karma. On her site, you can see that > she has included a photo of some of the Wristlets, they are not too complex > as you can see, but her and her friends are enjoying them. > > If you have a daughter / son / friend / wife / husband that would like one, > please drop Caitlin a line and she will send you a Wristlet. > > Please feel free to pass on this email to anyone you think appropriate. > > I hope it is OK to include this on the list. As most of the list members > are outside Ireland, it will be exciting for her to see requests from > "abroad". You do not need mention that her Dad drew the site to your > attention :). > > Some of you know me- and might even vouch for me - and know that I am on > AccessD since 1997 so I am not seeking to sell you anything here, of > course. > > Thanks a lot, > > Mark Breen > Ireland > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat May 15 11:06:55 2010 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:06:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Rubik's Cube Robot Message-ID: At an Intel Science fair, 2 guys unveiled their robot that solves the puzzle. I'm not talking a simulated cube. The real cube! http://www.zdnet.com/photos/big-ideas-on-display-at-intel-science-fair-photos/423881?seq=9&tag=mantle_skin;content Very cool! From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon May 17 07:15:32 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:15:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, I might have mis-led you. We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk. In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it works, so all are happy. It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a 16 GB project ! Thanks Mark On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to > upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use > an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new > one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route. > You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put. > > Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system > > Hello All, > > I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and > woke up this morning still thinking about it. > > Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work. > > I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently > purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive > plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with > independant PSU etc. > > So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no > cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would > not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero > complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600. > We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB > and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a > credit card for the drives and nothing else. > > It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB > of > storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just > sharing > the experience. > > Mark > > > > > > > On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am > sure > > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering. > > > > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- > > with-insane-build-quali/ > > > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall > desktop > > or a server case. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 17 13:31:35 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:31:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: Ahhh, oh I see. So how did you set up this backup project? Did you build it yourself or go with an off the shelf solution? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system Hello Jim, I might have mis-led you. We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk. In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it works, so all are happy. It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a 16 GB project ! Thanks Mark On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to > upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just use > an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a new > one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that route. > You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put. > > Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system > > Hello All, > > I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night and > woke up this morning still thinking about it. > > Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work. > > I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently > purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive > plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with > independant PSU etc. > > So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with no > cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It would > not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero > complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for ?1600. > We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 TB > and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a > credit card for the drives and nothing else. > > It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB > of > storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just > sharing > the experience. > > Mark > > > > > > > On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am > sure > > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth watering. > > > > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- > > with-insane-build-quali/ > > > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall > desktop > > or a server case. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue May 18 05:07:09 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:07:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system In-Reply-To: <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim, I just use DeltaCopy, since Gustav showed us how to handle long file names I love it again, but as Gustav pointed out, you do have to be careful when you rename a folder, otherwise you can fill up your destination drive quickly. Don't ask me how I know ;) Mark On 17 May 2010 19:31, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Ahhh, oh I see. So how did you set up this backup project? Did you build it > yourself or go with an off the shelf solution? > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system > > Hello Jim, > > I might have mis-led you. > > We needed 8 TB for storage, and I wanted that 8 TB to be stored off site > also. So I bought 16 TB all with USB connections for ?1600 including PSU > chassis etc. more of less the price of a bare metal disk. > > In a matter of days I had copied all the data, synced the two sets of 8TB > and the project is now complete. It is low tech, but it is complete and it > works, so all are happy. > > It was only when i viewed the video that I realised I had recently setup a > 16 GB project ! > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > On 13 May 2010 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Mark: > > > > Why not just stick the drives into an old large box. You will need to > > upgrade the number of fans and power supply but you will probably just > use > > an above board card on an old motherboard or use the built in RAID on a > new > > one. ASUS has a couple of excellent boards if you decide to go that > route. > > You can also drop in multiple Gigabit LAN cards for faster through-put. > > > > Keep me apprised on what you decide an how it works out. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:38 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to build a 16TB backup system > > > > Hello All, > > > > I suppose I am a nerd, but I watched this with baited breath last night > and > > woke up this morning still thinking about it. > > > > Absolutely brilliant camera and editing work. > > > > I suppose that the performance is fast, but on the other hand, I recently > > purchased, on behalf of a customer 8 x 2 TB drives, approx ?187 per drive > > plus VAT. What was neat about this was they are all external USB with > > independant PSU etc. > > > > So I could theoretically, hook up all eight drives stacked neatly, with > no > > cooling, or power worries, and just plug all eight into USB hubs. It > would > > not be ultra fast, but for high storage and medium performance and zero > > complexity, it is a effective way to acquire 16 TB storage. All for > ?1600. > > We actually needed 8 TB, but I wanted mirrors of the 8 TB so I about 16 > TB > > and we sync mirror the drives. Very cheap, and I arranged it just with a > > credit card for the drives and nothing else. > > > > It is not until right now that I realise that the customer now has 16 TB > > of > > storage for ? 1600. I am not comparing it to the homemade NAS, just > > sharing > > the experience. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 May 2010 18:09, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Here is how to over-build a 16 TB backup system for your office. I am > > sure > > > it was more than an evening project and the workshop was mouth > watering. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/homemade-16tb-nas-dwarfs-the-competition- > > > with-insane-build-quali/ > > > > > > On the other hand I bet I could build a similar system using a tall > > desktop > > > or a server case. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 19 08:13:35 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 06:13:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Google email equivalent to Outlook and enterprise ready? In-Reply-To: References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Google has just announce an upgrade to it Gmail offering and API that will extend the product into the functionality of full featured Enterprise mail server. Whether it is equivalent to Microsoft's Exchange server is yet to be seen but few compadres are already working on install the product on client's sites to evaluate this low cost alternative will have all the power needed. Google and Microsoft are working towards the same functionality but by different methods. Microsoft is developing through the cloud type apps that will extend the reach of basically desktop applications while Google is attempting to develop web based apps as function as desktop ones. Microsoft relies on single fee desktop application and Google is working on the pay as you go type model. Check out Google's API challenge to Microsoft's Exchange Server/Outlook client: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/05/gmail-as-platform-for-enterpr i.php Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 19 09:54:47 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:54:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Parallelism In-Reply-To: References: <34FFB67A32A64A85A1D61422E34D40CE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <73FC6395D2CA47639932C5A5B5204FEE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <3E23E4865861413788D4FD433E981005@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4A52241149474D76AA93A21F31C31BDA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: A couple of nights ago, I went to a series of lectures given by a fellow named Tiberiu Covaci, Swedish owner of a company called Multi-Core and he is now doing a tour as a trainer for Microsoft. (His next lecture stop will be in New Orleans.) His training lecture was on Parallelism. The first lecture covered the basic concepts of computers and their new multi-core design, a design made necessary as single core computers ran into the physical wall as of 2005. He then went on to describe the attempts by developers to utilize these new multi-core systems. It has been a slow process as you can imagine. The rudimentary attempts of threading and hyper-threading were far from successful. First a single thread will consume up to 200 cycles just to get substantiated and its deployment still requires the central CPU and to spawn hundreds of threads, in a pool and then there was the issues of synchronizing the process results. Even the best developed multi-threaded applications, like MS SQL 2005 could over-load a computer when challenged by a heavy duty task. MS even went so far as to apply a system lock when performing resource heavy jobs... that means all other functionality on the server would cease... no multi-tasking, until the job was completed... even then sometimes a process would freeze up a server. (We have all heard of that exact situation from a number of our DBA members.) Our lecturer had designed a couple of short programs to showed how multi-threading was implemented and then demonstrated how these apps when over-loaded would crash or lock out the system. He used a Quick-sort, demo while splitting it into multiple pieces, multi-threading it and slowly increasing the sort data showed a 30 percent gain per thread and a 70 percent gain per core (maximum gain) but it also showed virtually not performance loss as the data increased (10 to 100 million records) until the process locked up the CPU. We watched the system progress via the Task Manger's CPU display. Lecture two; enter Parallelism. This process has being developed on the latest versions of Java and .Net frame work (4 or greater). He demonstrated two new core features/objects Parallel and Task. Using Parallelism requires a bit to decompose a problem into its components. He used an example of a recipe where a number of steps was required from initial preparation, to the cooking and to the table. The program which ended calculating the time was initially designed in a standard C# routine. The app was then recoded using Parallel running tasks. Each task can run independently, but wait for a process to be completed if required by scheduling, monitoring a semaphore, event, state and/or wait loops. We also covered how to handle synchronization, data sharing and how to avoid deadlocks. By using pararllelism the meal was completed in half the time... It showed how 6 people could do a job faster than one... now that's obvious but maybe not so obvious with a computer application. The most telling observation was when viewing the Task Manger's CPU display. No matter how heavy the requirements that were imposed on the system, the CPU demand remained very low and flat and each core showed an even distribution of utilization. I was totally impressed. Now I know how such super databases as Cassandra, using Java Parallelism works. My suggestion to all those of you using MS SQL 2005 or less; "Bail out quick and get you hands on the latest MS SQL... there will be no comparison in performance." A couple of recommended books on the subject are: "Patterns of Parallel Processing" and "Concurrent Programming on Windows" The latest .Net has all these features built in...just ready to use. Jim From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 09:05:48 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g. folder name: mreid new folder name: M Reid There are a number of folders in the directory Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _ From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu May 20 09:12:15 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:12:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g. folder name: mreid new folder name: M Reid There are a number of folders in the directory Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 09:32:45 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:32:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C364@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Jon I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname. eg mreid rreid ereid I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc first letter space then surname Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough [jon.tydda at lonza.com] Sent: 20 May 2010 15:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g. folder name: mreid new folder name: M Reid There are a number of folders in the directory Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu May 20 09:50:52 2010 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C364@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C362@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C364@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oh, so they're not user profile folders? In that case yes, you should be able to change the folder names. I'm not a coder, so I'm not sure how you'd do it though. I know, not a lot of help! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 20 May 2010 15:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Jon I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname. eg mreid rreid ereid I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc first letter space then surname Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough [jon.tydda at lonza.com] Sent: 20 May 2010 15:12 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code I don't think so, unless you changed your username. Although AFAIK you can't have a space in a username... You could use an underscore, I suppose... M_Reid... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: 20 May 2010 15:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g. folder name: mreid new folder name: M Reid There are a number of folders in the directory Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu May 20 09:58:06 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:58:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Message-ID: <380-22010542014586532@M2W125.mail2web.com> Martin: I recently made a similar inquiry about a client who wanted to move a folder from one location to another. I'm not home (in Yosemite for a few days actually) but it should be in the archive. Turned out to be a one liner - a VBA command I never knew about. If you don't get this solved by the weekend, I'll look it up when I get home. Wait a minute...I have the program here on my laptop. The line reads: Name Me.txtSourceFolder As Me.txtTargetFolder & "\" & strFolderToMove I think that NAME command will work for you. It has the effect of moving an entire folder somewhere but may work for renaming as well. Let me know. Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:48 +0100 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code IS it possible to rename a set of windows folders e.g. folder name: mreid new folder name: M Reid There are a number of folders in the directory Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal _ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 20 10:04:27 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:04:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Message-ID: Hi Martin Try with Name "mreid" As "M Reid" or rather: Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid" The new name can be build this way: strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase) /gustav >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>> Jon I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname. eg mreid rreid ereid I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc first letter space then surname Martin From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu May 20 10:29:26 2010 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:29:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295469FE5C36A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Thanks Gustav Sorry I amnot being very clear. I have to do this out in Windows as opposed to Access! Sorry for confusion. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock [Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 20 May 2010 16:04 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Hi Martin Try with Name "mreid" As "M Reid" or rather: Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid" The new name can be build this way: strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase) /gustav >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>> Jon I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname. eg mreid rreid ereid I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc first letter space then surname Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 20 10:37:04 2010 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:37:04 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Message-ID: Hi Martin It should be transferable to VbScript with little modification. Don't know about PowerShell. /gustav >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 17:29 >>> Thanks Gustav Sorry I amnot being very clear. I have to do this out in Windows as opposed to Access! Sorry for confusion. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock [Gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 20 May 2010 16:04 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming Windows Folders using code Hi Martin Try with Name "mreid" As "M Reid" or rather: Name "d:\path\mreid" As "d:\path\M Reid" The new name can be build this way: strNew = UCase(Left(strOld, 1)) & " " & StrConv(Mid(strOld, 2), vbProperCase) /gustav >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 20-05-2010 16:32 >>> Jon I imported a load of SharePoint data from a backup and ended up with a folder structure based on site names which are first initial and surname. eg mreid rreid ereid I need to loop over that structure and change the folder name to m reid, r reid etc first letter space then surname Martin From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 20 11:15:34 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:15:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you know? When playing a video on YouTude you can actually set the time position that the video will start by adding the minute and second position to the link Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrpeZHWrx5Q#t=3m16s Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu May 20 12:17:39 2010 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:17:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> Wow, how timely, last night I was wondering if I could do this! - Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Did you know? Did you know? When playing a video on YouTude you can actually set the time position that the video will start by adding the minute and second position to the link Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrpeZHWrx5Q#t=3m16s Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 20 21:07:21 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? In-Reply-To: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> References: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> Message-ID: <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because thousands of jobs depend on those errors? if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? But what do I know? http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 Jim From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Fri May 21 00:15:32 2010 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 01:15:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? References: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway> Oh, you're talking about SkyNet, huh? Michael R Mattys Business Process Developers www.mattysconsulting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? >I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows > be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other > software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because > thousands of jobs depend on those errors? > > if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they > have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if > given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? > But what do I know? > > http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 21 10:13:57 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:13:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Message-ID: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com> Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups regularly). The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with government contracts enough to know the routine. ROcky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because thousands of jobs depend on those errors? if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? But what do I know? http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 21 11:21:40 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? In-Reply-To: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com> References: <380-220105521151357162@M2W109.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <91A7CC79C2044CC3AE3B1F68F860F448@creativesystemdesigns.com> I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that. First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems, just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible. Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it, why change things. Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers. (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there. Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical. The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made? OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it own nearly unbelievable statistics. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups regularly). The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with government contracts enough to know the routine. ROcky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because thousands of jobs depend on those errors? if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? But what do I know? http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 21 12:45:30 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:45:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? In-Reply-To: <74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway> References: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> <74666019D5C74F4695C824B988E88E3E@Gateway> Message-ID: <0564185556EE43A7878EE527C5B8AD41@creativesystemdesigns.com> You mean MSNet don't you? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Oh, you're talking about SkyNet, huh? Michael R Mattys Business Process Developers www.mattysconsulting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? >I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows > be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other > software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because > thousands of jobs depend on those errors? > > if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they > have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if > given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? > But what do I know? > > http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 21 21:02:12 2010 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:02:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Message-ID: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com> "If the cost of developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible. " But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes represents a signifncant opportunity cost. "support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business and just another revenue stream " Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support costs. Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which might smoke out incompatibilities with their system. Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? " cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would take to perfect - there's a big opportunity I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that. First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems, just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible. Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it, why change things. Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers. (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there. Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical. The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made? OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it own nearly unbelievable statistics. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups regularly). The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with government contracts enough to know the routine. ROcky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because thousands of jobs depend on those errors? if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? But what do I know? http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 22 07:29:04 2010 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:29:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? In-Reply-To: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com> Message-ID: While I found it disheartening when it was said to me six years ago, I suppose I have to accept it as one answer to this question I asked someone why most software was poor, and he answered "good enough is good enough" Does that answer the question about Windows Vs the Shuttle software? I have to say again, I find it upsetting but it may be true. Mark On 22 May 2010 03:02, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > "If the cost of > developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal > almost > to the point of imperceptible. " > > But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes > represents a signifncant opportunity cost. > > > "support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business > and just another revenue stream " > > Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect > Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support > costs. > > Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle > systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like > Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which > might smoke out incompatibilities with their system. > > Rocky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > " cost to the consumer would be marginal almost > to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would > take to perfect - there's a big opportunity > > I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that. > > First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems, > just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of > developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal > almost > to the point of imperceptible. > > Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major > business > and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it, > why change things. > > Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the > desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems > but > when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a > reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers. > (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a > 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there. > Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical. > > The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made? > OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen > real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new > Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the > amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of > this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it > own nearly unbelievable statistics. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rockysmolin at bchacc.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > > Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an > error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The > cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission > critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups > regularly). > > The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering > those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold > probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with > government contracts enough to know the routine. > > ROcky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > > > I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows > be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other > software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because > thousands of jobs depend on those errors? > > if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they > have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if > given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? > But what do I know? > > http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat May 22 12:26:08 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:26:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? In-Reply-To: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201056222212544@M2W142.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4089649ED28F4773BD95F6124697A683@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is my point... there simply is no reason to produce an excellent product when a imperfect one will do just fine. ...but I can dream can I not? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:02 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? "If the cost of developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible. " But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes represents a signifncant opportunity cost. "support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business and just another revenue stream " Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support costs. Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which might smoke out incompatibilities with their system. Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? " cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would take to perfect - there's a big opportunity I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that. First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems, just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal almost to the point of imperceptible. Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it, why change things. Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems but when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers. (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there. Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical. The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made? OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it own nearly unbelievable statistics. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups regularly). The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with government contracts enough to know the routine. ROcky Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because thousands of jobs depend on those errors? if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? But what do I know? http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 27 09:47:05 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:47:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages In-Reply-To: <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <001d01caf840$59a74410$0cf5cc30$@net> <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there? Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been created by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical, engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped. When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even ending up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun but it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over a hundred and then they will be truly screwed. When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of the solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-) http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/ Enjoy Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu May 27 16:33:48 2010 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:33:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages In-Reply-To: <40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How can he not have included brainf*ck :-) http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ And for less esoteric, how about ASIC? Only 80 commands, but you could d a lot with it. I actually wrote a few useful programs in it including a TSR Popup Calendar. Talk about small executables - optimising code then was a challenge of reducing the executable by single bytes :-) http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/asicinfo.htm -- Stuart On 27 May 2010 at 7:47, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there? > Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been created > by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most > were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical, > engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped. > > When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly > downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even ending > up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a > handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun but > it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over a > hundred and then they will be truly screwed. > > When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net > flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of the > solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming > languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-) > > http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/ > > Enjoy > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 27 17:49:13 2010 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:49:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages In-Reply-To: <4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <877343E6E8D3423FAF44AAFC7101A906@creativesystemdesigns.com> <40BA4C35E8BD490FB9E2E447E15E156E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4BFEE53C.28323.174AA203@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <570699E59E2D47BF9155B19366502384@creativesystemdesigns.com> Oh that is hilarious... Muppetlabs no less. I must warn you I will share this. I have some geeky friends who would pass a sandwich through their nose if they read the write up on BF. Reading up on ASIC makes me remember all the levels of compiling and linking libraries that had to be done when doing programming... we are so spoiled today with almost instant error gratification... the error results are actually readable. In those days you had to go though a whole series of scripts and it took about 30 minutes to realize you were screwed. Errors would show up in multiple ways; sometimes a compiler error message, sometimes the compiler would just quit and sometimes your whole computer would lock up. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:34 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Interesting languages How can he not have included brainf*ck :-) http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ And for less esoteric, how about ASIC? Only 80 commands, but you could d a lot with it. I actually wrote a few useful programs in it including a TSR Popup Calendar. Talk about small executables - optimising code then was a challenge of reducing the executable by single bytes :-) http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/asicinfo.htm -- Stuart On 27 May 2010 at 7:47, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Have you ever wondered about some of the programming languages out there? > Why were they created and what are they for. Most seem to have been created > by a team of post graduate programmers who were writing a thesis but most > were developed in-house by a project team for a specific mechanical, > engineering or scientific purpose...and escaped. > > When I seemed to have more time and more energy I would constantly > downloading and playing with one of these languages or other and even ending > up inflicting some client with a POS application that probably only a > handful of people in the world know what they are looking at. It is fun but > it is not fair... in the long run... I doubt whether I will live much over a > hundred and then they will be truly screwed. > > When I say "Interesting languages", I am not talking about various .Net > flavour, think beyond that; beyond Python or Ruby...think outer edges of the > solar system. The following is a list of a few of the esoteric programming > languages...more fun than Sudoku: ;-) > > http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/ > > Enjoy > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com